[00:04] Happy New Year [00:07] happy new year :) === gryc__ is now known as gryc [01:13] hey folks [01:13] happy New Year [01:13] happy new year mhb :) [01:13] I hope I'm the only one lonely/desperate/geeky enough to be here [01:13] aww [01:13] happy new year mhb ;) [01:13] stdin: to you too [01:14] heh [01:14] apparently not : [01:14] :) [01:14] and you yuriy [01:14] nope, you have 3 lonely/desperate/geek friends :p [01:14] and Hobbsee :o) [01:14] well, it's not the new year here yet [01:14] yuriy: how's Adept porting? [01:14] if you manage to have a functional version by Wednesday we can start talking bout the membership :o)) [01:14] nah, I'm kidding [01:15] mhb: had enough for today, but got something -- screenshot: http://gamemank.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/happy-new-year/ [01:18] KDE4 got new splash screen [01:18] * mhb builds kdebase to see it [01:18] unfortunately it's based on that KSplashX horror (personal opinion) [01:19] which is KSplashX? [01:19] don't really remember what the deal with the splash engines was [01:20] well, KSplashX is the OpenSUSE splash engine [01:20] it's not really bad performance-wise, and it is better maintained than the last engine was [01:21] but I really dislike the way it is implemented [01:21] actually in order to have a nice configurable splash theme, they statically copy several of the Qt classes into that code [01:21] qimage.cpp and friends are all copied into there [01:22] which I find horrible from an "esthetical" point of view. [01:23] yuriy: do you update your bzr branch frequently? [01:23] == is it up to date? (adept branch) [01:24] mhb: it's up to date [01:24] with all the cruft of me desperately trying to get things to work ^_^ [01:25] groovy [01:25] * mhb checks it out [01:26] * yuriy probably shouldn't have committed the last few changes [01:26] i couldn't get it to debug so i just started inserting kdebug()s and commenting out code [01:28] don't worry [01:28] happy new year indeed [01:28] happy new year Riddell [01:28] happy new year Riddell!! [01:29] Riddell: shouldn't you be hogmanaying somewhere? === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | Next meeting: 2nd January 23:00 | Happy New Year [01:29] mhb: oh we did [01:29] we also held the KDE GB AGM [01:29] yuriy: http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=updatersuggestedsy5.png I always wanted Adept to look like this :o) [01:29] so a duplicate of uses in a nicht [01:29] what's that? AGM? [01:30] annual general meeting [01:30] I hope you didn't get drunk and signed a key that was not meant to be signed [01:31] wasnae me [01:31] one of the longer contributing KDE developers fell over and broke/sprained his ankle [01:31] good :o) [01:32] ah, ungood [01:33] we put him to bed and drugged him up [01:34] hmm, poor chap [01:35] yuriy: so, how can I reproduce that screenshot of yours? [01:38] yuriy: my ept includes and tagcoll includes are conflicting [01:38] yuriy: did you encounter that too? [01:38] /usr/include/ept/debtags/debtags.h:33:31: error: tagcoll/coll/base.h: No suchfile or directory [01:39] File tagcoll/coll/base.h found in libtagcoll2-dev [01:40] hmm, ln -s to the rescue [01:41] hmm libtagcoll2-dev should do it [01:42] but also need to fix the cmakelists to not hardcode the directory for that [01:42] among other things [01:43] evil disconnects [01:46] ah yes, meeting soon [01:50] nixternal: @blog. hardy? gutsy? [02:03] any luck mhb? [02:04] yuriy: heh [02:04] yuriy: I had to re-learn all the gdb tricks [02:04] i meant with your problem above [02:04] now I finally have a useful backtrace out of it [02:04] oh, nice [02:04] ah yes, I fixed it [02:04] it was just a simple ln -s missing [02:05] for a second i thought you fixed the crash [02:05] no, not yet [02:05] any idea what i'm doing wrong building it that it doesn't give a backtrace? [02:06] well [02:06] a) use gdb, it's easier to get a decent backtrace with it [02:06] b) tell cmake to Debug build [02:06] c) run adept_manager with --nocrashhandler and --nofork [02:07] yeah i need to learn that :) not relearn. i've used it from within kdevelop but that wasn't working [02:07] very little experience with it standalone [02:07] gdb ./adept/manager/adept_manager [02:08] (gdb) run --nocrashhandler --nofork [02:08] well, i know that much, but from there all i know is "run" which isn't terribly helpful [02:08] (later) [02:08] (gdb) backtrace [02:08] ah. [02:09] I'm no gdb master either, I just get out of it what I need [02:10] yuriy: did it help? [02:11] oh, i wasn't working on it. i'm leaving to celebrate soon but i'll give it a shot [02:13] okay, see you later then [02:13] no, not much of a backtrace. but with those options it at least says it's a segmentation fault [02:13] hmm [02:13] from some of the stuff i was commenting out i think it might have something to do with stuff from the ui files not getting initialized [02:14] but that's just a guess, i haven't looked into it [02:14] k bye, happy new year [02:14] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50343/ [02:14] yuriy: ^^ [02:15] happy new year to you too [02:15] and kood night [02:17] * dasKreech laughs [02:17] dasKreech: why? [02:21] Hobbsee: hardy [02:22] yay snow, another 4 inches tonight [02:25] mmm snow. [02:32] nixternal: yeah, default drivers aren't overly fast [02:34] Kood ni... aww he left [02:34] Hobbsee: Which card? [02:34] intel [02:34] dasKreech: 945gm [02:34] Hmm [02:35] Hobbsee: with those tweaks in hardy, it is working very good [02:35] jos was doing some blogs bout speed [02:35] nixternal: true, but you can't do video [02:35] what do you mean I can't do video? === LongPoin1yStick is now known as LongPointyStick [02:36] nixternal: She means your ugle [02:36] s/le/ly [02:37] nixternal: playing video? [02:37] sure I can [02:38] with xv? [02:38] xv will be problematic. [02:38] x11/xshm will work fine. [02:38] with vlc, kaffeine, kmplayer [02:39] wth is xv? [02:40] CheGuevara: i thought we got the new drm [02:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_video_extension [02:42] hmm, which new drm? [02:43] apparently the exa mdoe needs a new drm to make it work at a reasonable speed [02:43] * Hobbsee thought it went in with the kernel, but obviously not [02:44] hmph. Not even vanilla has it? drm 1.1.0 20060810 i915 1.6.0 20060119 [02:44] i'm not sure [02:45] (I've got 2.6.24-rc6-git6+) [02:45] let's see if there's some buffoonery to be done from dri git [02:47] IBM stuck DRm in the Linux Kernel? [02:47] not that type of drm [02:47] Ok [02:47] What kinda are there? [02:49] CheGuevara: how much of that transition got uploaded? [02:52] * Hobbsee does imlib2 [02:54] + fontforge [02:59] Hobbsee: do you know if we need a newer mesa (7.1ish), too? [02:59] crimsun: no idea. [02:59] (we->i915 users) [02:59] ok, I'll dig a bit deeper. Just thought I'd attempt to preemptively forego effort duplication. [03:03] Does any have any good sites for plane ticket prices? [03:04] dasKreech: skyscanner.net [03:06] I also use orbitz.com and hotwire.com [03:09] apachelogger: It starts off asking me if I wanna leave from MoBay. Looks good ;) [03:14] right. done some of that transition. [03:29] oh well, warmed up, grabbed a drink, time for some more snowmobiling [03:30] nixternal: (if you want to chase the "newer drm" path, then note you'll need latest git of both libdrm-3.0.0 and mesa-7.1) [03:30] nixternal: (it's insufficient to have simply newer libdrm-3.0.0, meaning both the userspace lib and the newer i915.ko) [03:51] 2008 will be the year of the GNU/Linux Kubuntu Desktop.. :) [03:51] cheers.. [04:08] that lasted a whole 30 minutes === santiago-ve is now known as foursixnine === foursixnine is now known as santiago-php === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve [05:49] Happy New Year [05:53] 7 minutes until new year here [05:53] but happy new year anyways, and happy new year to you as well wolfger [08:30] hi all [08:32] what wrong is in qt4-dev-tools package? when I'm going to install it, Adept says something'll break... [09:00] ah, I understood why [09:04] either qt4-dev-tools package's dependencies or the package itself need to be updated. qt4-dev-tools requires libqt4-core 4.3.2-0ubuntu3, but 4.3.2-0ubuntu3.1 is installed... could someone fix it, please? [10:14] Riddell: ping [11:01] hi pgquiles [11:03] Riddell: hi & happy new year. Is the TimeVault (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeVault) going to be added to Hardy? Someone did the work for KDE3 a few years ago: http://www.sandeepranade.com/html/ComputerScience/time-travelling-file-manager.html (for ext3cow only, but it might work as a starting point) [11:03] pgquiles: dunno, never heard of it [11:04] Riddell: oh :-) [11:04] I read here and there and it seemed to me it was going to be added to ubuntu hardy [11:05] pgquiles: try contacting its developers === d-miller_ is now known as d-miller [11:35] hey folks [11:35] yuriy: did you read the pastebin backtrace of mine and managed to get a similar one? === dmiller_ is now known as d-miller [12:10] txwikinger: ping === uga is now known as uga|away [13:09] jpatrick: pong [13:10] txwikinger: happy new year! I was wondering if you minded if I made a PDF version of the bug tridge tutorial you did [13:10] jpatrick: No problem [13:11] You want me to look over it and make corrections? [13:11] ok, I'll try and have it done by today :D [13:11] Or you just want to keep it like it was live? [13:11] If you want, I don't mind [13:12] Whatever you want to do.. I will agree/help with any [13:12] fire away :D [13:13] I have to dig out my old LaTeX knowledge too :) [13:13] My wife wants to publish a poem book [13:13] let me upload what I have right now [13:14] http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/tutorials/ [13:16] hmm, I have lunch right now, I'm basically LaTeXifiy the logs at the wiki, can you send the corrections to jpatrick@kubuntu.org ? [13:17] ok.. I will have a look a little later.... I have to eat something too, just got up :D [14:48] OK, tutorial done === Lure_ is now known as Lure [14:50] Lure: happy new year! :) [14:51] jpatrick: what tutorial?packaging? [14:51] Jucato: bugs [14:51] oh nice :) [14:51] http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/tutorials/kubuntu-tutorials-day-bugs.pdf [14:51] tutorial on how to create bugs? [14:51] oh... that bugs :D [14:52] Jucato: happy new year to you an your family (same for all other present kubuntu lovers) ;-) [14:52] * Lure is brain-dead because of hunting some plasma panel sizing bug :-( [14:55] txwikinger: ^^I'll wait for your +1 before announcing === wolfger__ is now known as wolfger [14:58] cool jpatrick -- I have some more urls that I didn't get to during the session that should be added at the end [14:58] ok [15:02] jpatrick: I sent you an e-mail with the links [15:04] * jpatrick looks === apachelogger__ is now known as apachelogger [15:34] txwikinger: talk about email lag :D [15:34] :D [15:35] I still don't have it.. [15:36] well it came back to me on bcc [15:39] !paste [15:39] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [16:23] Lure: well, I'm just dead [16:24] Tm_T: happy new year [16:24] Jucato: I never seen so much celebrating just for the end of monday like yesterday [16:24] weird [16:25] :D [16:25] Mondays are evil... [16:25] they're celebrating cos deep down they know.... KDE4 is just round the corner!! :D [16:25] lots of celebrating necessary when they are over [16:26] http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2674 [16:27] it's done it before plenty of times [17:10] Tm_T: http://www.myextralife.com/archive.php?date=2007-12-31 [17:44] hey [17:44] hey mhb [17:44] happy new year mate! [17:44] happy new year to you too [17:48] any new topics for our meeting? [17:50] or anything new at all? [17:50] mhb: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/tutorials/kubuntu-tutorials-day-bugs.pdf <- this is new [17:51] * mhb reads [17:56] nice, good job jpatrick [17:57] :) [18:18] jpatrick: the introduction is confusing cause you go right into medicine but never mention "triaging" [18:19] until the last sentence [18:19] hmm [18:20] also " There was a disaster missing — disaster situations." doesn't make sense, what are you trying to say? [18:21] yuriy: -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuTutorialsDay/Bugs [18:22] jpatrick: so is this supposed to come entirely from the irc log or are you trying to create an independently useful document? [18:22] yuriy: a mix, but I will fix that [18:26] yuriy: ok, fix uploaded, thanks [18:36] hi [18:37] hello [18:38] happy new year :) [18:38] you too :) [18:38] hangover sucks lol [18:43] meh 36 new emails === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick === rdieter is now known as rdieter_afk [18:53] mhb: still can't get a backtrace [18:54] I have a few days off, is there anything I can help with? :) [18:57] mhb: this is all i get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50412/ [19:01] when does kde4 release officially? [19:02] i think it's jan 11 [19:03] cool thanks === rdieter_afk is now known as rdieter === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh === rdieter is now known as rdieter_afk [19:36] mhb: wow. i wasn't doing setupUi() === uga|away is now known as uga [20:38] yuriy: heh :o) [20:39] yuriy: no new commits though [20:39] yuriy: did you manage to get a decent backtrace like mine? [20:39] in the end [20:40] mhb: yeah backtraces are fine now, seems just that one spot that wasn't working, i think i commented out another line and it started working [20:42] yuriy: commit if there's more to it than last time, I'm like I child: I wanna see all the time :o) [20:46] mhb: committed [20:51] yuriy: nice, it even loads the info :o) [20:51] yuriy: then another crash [20:57] yup, working on that one [20:59] k fixed that one, now another one and no backtrace again [20:59] yuriy: no backtrace? [20:59] yuriy: hmm, lemme try getting it [21:00] mhb: committed [21:01] oh pfft that one's obvious [21:02] hmm or not [21:02] or yes [21:03] the prefix? [21:04] no, the next crash. segfaults because of referring to actions and the sources editor that i commented out since i need to port the former and we aren't even using the latter [21:06] ah [21:07] http://www.yktech.us/temp/adeptqt4.png :D [21:07] yuriy: looks nice :) [21:08] how did you get that? [21:08] so the main window (before it) is working? [21:08] nice :P [21:09] but I agree, nice work [21:10] mhb: no, it starts up on that, not quite sure why yet [21:13] ah [21:21] hmm [21:22] I never knew adept installer has such a nice UI. [21:25] about the only part of adept that does :P [21:25] ya [21:25] * CheGuevara actually has synaptic and update-manager installed [21:26] if there was an "Advanced View" button which would add some options, it'd be perfect === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [22:35] !gpg [22:35] gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts [23:07] !info nmap [23:07] nmap: The Network Mapper. In component main, is extra. Version 4.20-2 (gutsy), package size 732 kB, installed size 2640 kB [23:38] hi Jucato [23:40] yes? [23:41] * DaSkreech waves sheepishly [23:41] happy new year? :) [23:42] \o/ [23:42] :D [23:42] Are Drakes dragons? [23:43] depends on which "drake" you are referring to I guess.... drakes are also male ducks (as in dapper drake) [23:44] but I guess some consider "drake" as "dragon" from "draco"... maybe.... or from fantasy games/films... [23:45] I saw your n-blont mention dragons :-) [23:45] oh :) [23:45] I thought that Konqui was a drake [23:45] er... [23:45] O.o [23:45] It has a K in it :) [23:45] :P [23:45] Wait Konqi [23:48] https://edge.launchpad.net/~che-guevara-3/+archive [23:49] * mhb 's back, everyone rejoice! [23:49] mhb: happy new ear!!!!!!!!! [23:49] w00t [23:49] er.. year* [23:49] :P [23:49] Jucato: to you too [23:50] Jucato: so, have you noticed the latest adept koolness? [23:50] My mom has a happy new ear [23:50] mhb: nope... hadn't had time for any dev work since the 24th of Dec... :) [23:50] Jucato: by an awesome person which will undoubtedly get membership very soon [23:51] mhb: care to give me a summary? :D [23:51] Jucato: http://www.yktech.us/adeptqt4a.png [23:51] yuriy: wow, just checked out and built... [23:51] yuriy: supermegaawesome [23:52] heh [23:52] yuriy: Doesn't work [23:52] yuriy: redirects to http://people.brandeis.edu/~ykozlov//adeptqt4a.png.. which is not found :( [23:52] http://people.brandeis.edu/~ykozlov//temp/adeptqt4.png may be [23:52] wait, yuriy isn't a member yet? O.o [23:53] err stick a "temp" between the slashes [23:53] woah!! Qt4/KDE4? O.o [23:53] That's a nice oxygeny look [23:53] Adept in Qt4/KDE4?!?!?! [23:53] * Jucato faints [23:53] Damn you yuriy ! [23:54] I wanted a communtiy :-( [23:54] Jucato: like I said, he's supermegaawesome [23:54] * Jucato falls down in worship [23:54] yuriy: maybe one day you can teach me the intestines of apt [23:54] er... I meant innards [23:54] * DaSkreech kicks Jucato [23:54] Jucato: i know nothing about it, haven't touched any backendish stuff [23:54] ah [23:55] still, great job! :) [23:55] * Jucato is jealous hahahah :P [23:55] Should he have to touch backend stuff? [23:55] yuriy: you're getting membership just to be able to post those screenshots to planet ubuntu [23:55] :D [23:55] wouldn't that be pretty bad design? [23:55] lol [23:56] DaSkreech: he doesn't need to touch the backend, but may want to revise how adept uses the backend [23:56] yuriy: believe him when he says that. he's up for kubuntu council anyway :) [23:56] DaSkreech: as Jucato said, somebody will have to fix adept's useless errors for example [23:56] what he says eventually comes true [23:57] Anybody noticed that kdm doesn't work in XDMCP? [23:57] MaximLevitsky: not really, no XDMCP here. [23:57] MaximLevitsky: is there a bugreport about it? [23:57] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/178242 [23:57] Launchpad bug 178242 in kdebase "KDM doesn't work in XDMCP mode" [Undecided,New] [23:57] mine :-) [23:58] yuriy: now that it's ported (100%?), maybe we can focus the next months/years cleaning up the code and the UI :D [23:58] MaximLevitsky: :-) [23:58] (although dunno how things stand with Adept's upstream...) [23:59] Jucato: depends on what we actually want to do [23:59] Jucato: far from 100%... just the manager, and it deadlocks if run as root [23:59] Jucato: I would vote for actually ditching the manager and improving the installer only [23:59] and as you see looks quite messy [23:59] weren't we switching to another package manager [23:59] 1. remove duplicate directories. 2. rename classes to be more... um... not Application/TestApp. 3. rename files to reflect content...