[00:00] <stefanino> hi
[00:06] <jhutchins> !ask
[00:06] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[00:06] <Schuenemann> can I ask a question?
[00:08] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Obviously, you just did!
[00:08] <nosrednaekim> sure
[00:09] <Schuenemann> yes, that was my question, thanks
[00:09]  * jhutchins wanders off in search of beer and ... something...
[00:09] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, smirnoff ice is great
[00:10] <Boruta> Default display manager - GDM or KDM? What is the difference?
[00:11] <CheGuevara> for women :P
[00:11] <Boruta> Blavod is great it hits hard
[00:11] <CheGuevara> gdm is gnome's manager, kdm is kde's
[00:11] <nosrednaekim> Boruta: use gdm... it has bulletproof X..
[00:17] <slow-motion> n8
[00:18] <Boruta> ok i have kubuntu desktop package installed but still ubuntu desktop - i need to restart?
[00:19] <Jucato> Boruta: you just need to log out. then in the login screen, choose KDE from the Session menu
[00:19] <williams> holaaa
[00:20] <gan|y|med> i'd like to try XorgOnTheEdge. is there a repo for this?
[00:21] <hdevalence> I'm having trouble with dual monitors
[00:23] <hdevalence> !xinerama
[00:23] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[00:23] <hdevalence> I was following there for the intel cards
[00:24] <hdevalence> but I'm having trouble, and it seems like kcontrol won't work
[00:26] <sub[t]rnl> hdevalence➜ have you tried using xrandr?
[00:26] <hdevalence> sub[t]rnl: no, I don't even know what it is.
[00:27] <sub[t]rnl> well, I've used xrandr to extend desktops with intel video cards
[00:27] <hdevalence> i installed i810switcha and restarted X and now it's all screwed sup
[00:27] <sub[t]rnl> did you make a backup of a working xorg.conf?
[00:27] <sub[t]rnl> hopefully
[00:27] <hdevalence> yes
[00:27]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[00:27] <alesan> hi, do you know how to configure that, when I click a link in kopete or konversation, the link is opened in a new tab in FIREFOX and not konqueror?
[00:28] <sub[t]rnl> ok, You'll need to add a virtual desktop to your screen section, that way you can put two desktops "inside" the virtual big one
[00:28] <hdevalence> what?
[00:28] <sub[t]rnl> in the "screen" section of your xorg.conf
[00:28] <sub[t]rnl> you'll need to add -> Virtual  2048 2048
[00:28] <sub[t]rnl> for example
[00:29] <sub[t]rnl> let me see if I can find you a link, to better explain it
[00:29] <sub[t]rnl> hdevalence➜ http://intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html
[00:29] <sub[t]rnl> start there, look around on google for xrandr too.
[00:30] <hdevalence> sub[t]rnl: cool. going to restart X to the good settings first
[00:30] <sub[t]rnl> also, if your two monitor's resolutions don't take up the total 2048 2048 that you specify, then cut it down to what they do use
[00:30] <sub[t]rnl> cuts down on video mem
[00:33] <hdevalence> sub[t]rnl: what if the one is 1440x900 and the other is 1280x1024? they don't fit nicely.
[00:33] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, theres the trouble
[00:33] <sub[t]rnl> you won't be able to stack that, as its not inside the "virtual" desktop limits
[00:35] <shaft0> anyone have a screenshot of the router setup process in kubuntu?  Is there anything like the web interface a real router use, or is it console based?
[00:35] <nosrednaekim> shaft0: console no doubt
[00:36] <gan|y|med> ok, this is kind of a stupid question, but i cannot find out how to install the ati drivers as described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3321087
[00:36] <Artimus> shaft0: console works, but now that you mention it, a port of DD-WRT might be fun...
[00:36] <sub[t]rnl> most routers have an interface that you can access by http://192.168.1.1 or whatever. If thats what your talking about
[00:36] <ardchoille> !ati | gan|y|med Have a look at the ati section here
[00:36] <ubotu> gan|y|med Have a look at the ati section here: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:36] <Artimus> sub[t]rnl: I was guessing "How do I setup Kubuntu as a router"..
[00:36] <sub[t]rnl> or are you talking about setting up a router using kubuntu
[00:36] <sub[t]rnl> ah
[00:36]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[00:37] <Artimus> sub[t]rnl: Really, this has me thinking...  DD-WRT was kind of fun, something like that for a Kubuntu box might be fun.
[00:37] <shaft0> sub: yeah, that's what i mean, setting up kubuntu as a router
[00:37] <sub[t]rnl> http://dailycupoftech.com/2007/09/17/put-that-old-computer-to-good-use/
[00:37] <sub[t]rnl> :D
[00:37] <shaft0> im gonna google dd-wrt, bit of a noob as far as kubuntu :P
[00:38] <shaft0> yes, a port of that would be wicked, exactly what i was asking about if it existed
[00:38] <gan|y|med> ardchoille: that is what i did. it tells me the thread for the newest x.org ati drivers, but there is no deb file at the url specified
[00:38] <Artimus> shaft0: DD-WRT is some software you can install to turn a box into a router.  Most people put it on home routers like the WRT54GL
[00:39] <shaft0> didn't know you could redo router software, that's pretty cool :)
[00:40] <ardchoille> gan|y|med: You using Gutsy?
[00:40] <bobfarley> shaft0  turning an old unused computer into a secure router is very easy   www.pfsense.com
[00:41] <gan|y|med> yes
[00:41] <Artimus> I gave up on PC's as routers.  My cheap little router will work until I switch wireless standards or ethernet becomes obsolete.
[00:41] <bobfarley> shaft0  if it has only 64 megs of ram, then try http://m0n0.ch/
[00:41] <gan|y|med> fglrx is pretty slow, so i tried to revert to ati, which now takes up 30 % cpu time all the time. so i'd like to give the new drivers a shot
[00:42] <ardchoille> gan|y|med: Have you made it to this page yet? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[00:42] <shaft0> bob: it's a dual core amdx2 2.6ghz with 4gb ram, heh, just running ubuntu on it for smb shares right now
[00:43] <shaft0> not too worried about maxing the box with what im planning to use it for
[00:43] <bobfarley> shaft0  way too much for a router outside the home.
[00:43] <shaft0> maybe even underclock it for noise/temperature
[00:43] <Val_O> sorry to interject but have you guys heard of CoyoteLinux as a firewall solution?
[00:43] <gan|y|med> ardchoille: yep, but i use envy for fglrx. i deinstalled it with envy
[00:43] <shaft0> its a spare computer
[00:43] <bobfarley> shaft0  err, inside, rather.
[00:43] <Artimus> shaft0: I know kcontrol can configure samba shares...  Maybe it should be expanded to cover some other things as well
[00:43] <ardchoille> gan|y|med: I don't understand what thread or url you're talking about. that page I just linked you to has instructions right under the "Install from Ubuntu repositories (easier)" section
[00:44] <bobfarley> shaft0   pfsense is my favorite and the easiest router specific os
[00:44] <shaft0> cool, i'll look into it.  I basically want to have it be NAS, SMB, FTP, and routing.
[00:44] <Artimus> shaft0: I recommend it, I've got a 2.8ghz Celeron.  It sits at 1.4GHZ normally until I try to do anything important, when it jumps back up to 2.8
[00:44] <alesan> hoe do I configure firefox as a default browser?
[00:45] <Boruta> i have kubuntu partially now - taskbar and menus are still ubuntu style - how can i change look completely?
[00:46] <shaft0> artimus: what's the noise and temps like, do you have any monitors of them?
[00:46] <ardchoille> !default | alesan You'll need to change the file associations for html
[00:46] <ubotu> alesan You'll need to change the file associations for html: To change the default application for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties -> Open With, and then change the setting. In Kubuntu, Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure and then hit "File Associations"
[00:46] <shaft0> not necessarily noise (just a rough "dead silent" etc) but of the temps, any idea as to how cool it runs?
[00:46] <Artimus> shaft0: My CPU fan is always on...  It's also incredibly loud.  I can hear it from downstairs.  It always runs full speed (it's 3 wire, not 4)
[00:46] <shaft0> ah
[00:46] <gan|y|med> ardchoille: yes, but i do not want to use fglrx
[00:47] <CheGuevara> there's actually a default applicationsection in the control panel
[00:47] <ardchoille> Bruno: You started with Ubuntu (gnome), then installed kubuntu-desktop (kde) and want to switch?
[00:47] <Boruta> yes
[00:47] <bobfarley> shaft0  looked at EFW community ? http://www.endian.com/en/community/about/   keep in mind that placing your NAS on the gateway would be a bad idea tho.
[00:47] <shaft0> i have a fan controller, so if i had it underclocked and i knew that the temps would be stable fairly low, i'd have them set and controlled by temp
[00:47] <Artimus> At half speed, 88F/31C.  While gaming, 104F/40C.  Much colder than in Windows, where 55C was not uncommon.
[00:47] <ardchoille> gan|y|med: I can't help you if you won't follow the supported guides/tutorials
[00:48] <ardchoille> Boruta: You now need to log out of gnome, and at the login screen, click the options and choose kde (at least I think it's "options" in gdm.
[00:48] <sub[t]rnl> Artimus➜ ugh, thats not good
[00:48] <shaft0> that's crazy hot, at overclocked 10% i'm running at 27-32 celcius
[00:48] <Artimus> This is a Prescott Celeron, crappy fan, crappy heatsink, and bad thermal gel
[00:48] <shaft0> not crazy hot i guewss
[00:48] <Boruta> ok thx
[00:49] <shaft0> but hotter than i was thinking :P
[00:49] <Artimus> In a cheap case
[00:49] <shaft0> ahh
[00:49] <Artimus> Tomorrow, I'm getting a 3.2ghz P4, proper heatsink, and Arctic Silver.  And I'm swapping this board into a much better case with 120mm fans.
[00:50] <gan|y|med> ardchoille: thx for your help, but i do not want to use the fglrx binary driver. i would like to use the open source ati driver. so following the instructions on this page does not work for me
[00:50] <ardchoille> gan|y|med: Ok
[00:50] <shaft0> i picked up a computer at the electronics recycling center yesterday, 3.4 p4 HT with 2 gigs of ram
[00:50] <shaft0> crap case, but cant argue with that for free ;)
[00:51] <gan|y|med> thx anyway
[00:51] <ardchoille> yw
[00:51] <Artimus> This is a step up from my other computer.  My 1.8ghz Athlon64 actually lags in KDE...
[00:51] <Artimus> I blame Amarok mostly, but the performance is noticable with it off as well
[00:51] <bobfarley> for air management of cases, pass as much air thru it as you can.  get the static air pressure up.
[00:52] <Artimus> Yes, my other case is good for that...  These were parts laying around...  I expect a nice drop in temperatures by tomorrow ^_^
[00:52] <ardchoille> Artimus , shaft0 You are welcome to continue the hardware discussion in #Artimus or #shaft0 . I'm afraid it's a bit ot for this channel.
[00:52] <shaft0> fair enough
[00:52] <Artimus> ardchoille: Why would I make a new channel and not use Kubuntu-Offtopic?
[00:53] <ardchoille> Artimus: Oh, that works too :)
[00:53] <shaft0> haha
[00:54] <hdevalence> sub[t]rnl: It doesn't work. I configured it using xrandr, but I'm not sure if I did it right
[00:55] <Artimus> Back to the Amarok thing then...  Does anyone have issues with Amarok lagging KDE down?  It was more prevalent on my older computer, but I still occasionally see it on this faster computer.  It can be particularly bad when it's trying to connect to a stream..
[00:56] <hdevalence> Artimus: maybe try #amarok ?
[00:56] <ardchoille> Artimus: I noticed mine using a high amount of resources, so I quit using it.
[00:57] <Artimus> hdevalence: Thanks, but no thanks.  From what I can tell, they're pretty focused on the new Amarok coming out...
[00:58] <hdevalence> Artimus: yeah, i tried the SVN version. it's pretty fantastic
[00:58] <Artimus> I suspect kio_file requests are causing the current version to lock up.  Adept does that too.
[00:58] <Artimus> Until it gets a response from the server.
[00:59] <mahasamoot> network debuging question.  There are websites and such that will test for an open port, but if no software is listening on my side, it'll come back as closed.  Is there a utility that I can set to listen to any port on my side... just so I can know for a fact whether or not I can get thro the firewall?
[01:04] <gean> hello world! a good new 2008!
[01:05] <DarkTan_> ok, i am now running gutsy, i'm trying to follow these instructions for my bcm43xx wifi card. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Gutsy?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDriver%29
[01:05] <hdevalence> gean: happy new year to you too!
[01:05] <DarkTan_> where it;s telling me to go, specificly the Restricted Driver Manager
[01:06] <DarkTan_> *can't find where it's telling me to go
[01:06] <mahasamoot> gean: happy new year... 2008 will be great!.... if I can get the webcam working on kopete :-(
[01:07] <mahasamoot> is there a network utility that will listen on any given port on my side to test the firewall?
[01:08] <tekteen> nc
[01:08] <jcg42> I get this: http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=weekalarmerrorim4.png when I try to start the weekalarm script in Amarok. Can anyone tell me how I can fix it?
[01:08] <tekteen> mahasamoot: nc -l PORT
[01:08] <vbgunz> anyone familiar with open office writer? how do you nest a table in a cell and have the outer cell completely wrap the table? currently I have a space in the cell along with the table, how do I get rid of it?
[01:08] <mahasamoot> tekteen: thank you very much!
[01:08] <tekteen> mahasamoot: u need to be root for the normal ports
[01:09] <tekteen> mahasamoot: np
[01:09] <unix_infidel> vbgunz: it's very hard to verbalize stuff that is a visual representation.
[01:09] <unix_infidel> why not try and draw it out real quick?
[01:10] <vbgunz> unix_infidel: am working on a skill resume. I am trying to nest a 2 column table within a single cell of another table. doing so causes the wrapping cell to have excess padding or something. I cannot get rid of it :(
[01:11] <bmk789> is there a way to use bootsplash themes without rebuilding the kernel?
[01:12] <Jucato> bmk789: only if you mean USplash bootsplash themes. other than, you have to do some more tweaking. unfortunately, not many usplash themes to go around
[01:12] <Jucato> !usplash
[01:12] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[01:12] <gean> mahasamoot the year is fresh! it will happen in its duration. Its not that hard as my problem to fully install kubuntu. (No internet connection on the other box yet. Here is the other laptop runnin' Mepis.) I googled and the first entry looked ok for your purposes. http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Webcam%20Support&comzone=show . (I'll soon have the same problem. But first i need that LAN, to put synaptic at work.)
[01:12] <bmk789> Jucato: ok thanks
[01:18] <DarkTan_> how do i get the restricted driver manager in gutsy?
[01:19] <CheGuevara> apt-get restricted-manager
[01:19] <Jucato> it's installed by default
[01:20] <CheGuevara> actually no
[01:20] <CheGuevara> yeah it should come installed
[01:20] <Jucato> System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Restricted Manager
[01:20] <sea4ever> anyway to install a rpm package?
[01:20] <DarkTan_> ohh there it is, thx
[01:21] <sub[t]rnl> sea4ever➜ you can try converting the package using alien, then installing with dpkg
[01:21] <Jucato> sea4ever: is there no .deb package available for what you're trying to install?
[01:21] <Boruta> how can i enable "elastic windows mode" in kubuntu?
[01:21] <sea4ever> no, not that I know of, can't find any
[01:22] <vbgunz> does open office have an IRC channel?
[01:22] <Jucato> !rpm | sea4ever
[01:22] <ubotu> sea4ever: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[01:22] <Jucato> !openoffice | vbgunz
[01:22] <ubotu> vbgunz: a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[01:22] <vbgunz> Jucato: thanks!
[01:22] <Jucato> Boruta: Compiz-Fusion isn't installed by default on Kubuntu
[01:22] <Jucato> !compiz | Boruta
[01:22] <ubotu> Boruta: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:23] <Boruta> ok thx
[01:25] <DarkTan_> is wine worth useing?
[01:25] <Jucato> depends on what you will be using it for
[01:25] <DarkTan_> what it it good for?
[01:25] <Jucato> !wine
[01:25] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[01:26] <Jucato> it will not run every Windows application...
[01:34] <mrdigital-deskto> how do i install mythtv in 1 shot on 7.10
[01:35] <bobfarley> mrdigital-deskto   this not better ? http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Main_Page
[01:36] <Nvrnight> hey what's the offtopic channel?
[01:36] <mrdigital-deskto> huh?
[01:36] <Schuenemann> !ot
[01:36] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:36] <bobfarley> mrdigital-deskto http://linuxmce.com/
[01:37] <DarkTan-2> !ghost
[01:37] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[01:37] <DarkTan-2> .msg nickserv GHOST Draktan_ <frodolives>
[01:37] <Schuenemann> huh?
[01:38] <Jucato> er.. DarkTan_ I suggest you change your IRC nick's password
[01:38] <DarkTan_> yeah
[01:38] <DarkTan_> gonna do that as soon as i figure out how
[01:38] <Schuenemann> to frodoisdead
[01:39] <DarkTan_> lol
[01:39] <DarkTan_> !register
[01:39] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[01:39] <Schuenemann> nickserv set password NEW
[01:39] <Jucato> /msg nickserv set password <new password>
[01:39] <Schuenemann> I think
[01:39] <DarkTan_> thx
[01:39] <mrdigital-deskto> i like linuxmce but i wanna use the pc as a desktop also
[01:40] <Schuenemann> /nickserv will do
[01:40] <DarkTan_> ok, that worked
[01:40] <DarkTan_> now, i need help
[01:40] <DarkTan_> i updated and upgraded as soon as i installed
[01:40] <DarkTan_> half of the stuff crashes now
[01:41] <DarkTan_> adept locks up everytime i try to install something as does apt-get
[01:41] <ardchoille> DarkTan_: You using 3rd party scripts/installer,.. or mixing repos in your sources.list?
[01:41] <DarkTan_> i used adept to upgrade
[01:41] <ardchoille> DarkTan_: Ah, ok
[01:42] <DarkTan_> i also tried useing the restricted driver manager to enable my wireless card, it says i'm good, iwconfig says it work
[01:42] <DarkTan_> it doesn't
[01:43] <DarkTan_> if it try to redo it, it says that the package wasn't installed because it might break a package
[01:44] <mrdigital-deskto> linuxmce looks a bit too much
[01:44] <DarkTan_> since i haven't done anything since the install, would it be best to just re-install?
[01:52] <Nvrnight> offtopic channel for video of the guy getting shot by fireworks last night
[01:52] <ardchoille> !ot | Nvrnight Please don't do that
[01:52] <ubotu> Nvrnight Please don't do that: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:53]  * flaccid yawns
[02:02] <SudoKing> is there a way for me to change the clock in the sys tray to 12 hour time instead of 24 hour../
[02:04] <Dragnslcr> Right click the clock and go to Date and Time format
[02:05] <mrdigital-deskto> what is the thin client i can mout to the lcd planel?
[02:05] <flaccid> mrdigital-deskto: um you want to make thin client(s) ?
[02:06] <mrdigital-deskto> huh?
[02:06] <mrdigital-deskto> i want the thin client the guy in the linuxmce video used he mounted it to the screw holes on the lcd moniter
[02:06] <flaccid> mrdigital-deskto: like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto
[02:07] <flaccid> oh, i have not seen that video sorry, welcome to show it to me
[02:07] <mrdigital-deskto> yeah but i want the same case he had
[02:07] <mrdigital-deskto> here
[02:07] <mrdigital-deskto> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2176025602905109829&hl=en
[02:08] <SudoKing> how do I change the clock from 24 hr time to 12 hr time
[02:08] <mrdigital-deskto> 17:17 into the video
[02:10] <mrdigital-deskto> any idea flaccid?
[02:10] <flaccid> is this hardware?
[02:10] <mrdigital-deskto> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7190647374.html
[02:11] <flaccid> mrdigital-deskto: The RBT-802 and RBT-820 are available now through BosaNova's resellers, with a suggested price of $450.
[02:12] <mrdigital-deskto> i know
[02:12] <mrdigital-deskto> thats the same one i think he used right?
[02:12] <flaccid> oky doke not sure
[02:13] <flaccid> thats pretty sweet but
[02:15] <flaccid> i might try running it in vmware then tv out into an lcd then use picture in picture heh
[02:15] <mrdigital-deskto> huh?
[02:15] <someon1> anyone know a program that can handle a 600,000+ line CSV file?
[02:16] <Jucato> GUI program? kate can't? if it's ok to use the command line, perhaps nano, emacs, or vim?
[02:16] <Artimus> Jucato: I'm guessing the user wants something more Excel like
[02:16] <Jucato> oh :)
[02:16]  * Jucato blushes :P
[02:16] <someon1> GUI would be nice, but I essentially need the CSV file to be convereted to a tab (or space or comma) delimated ascii file
[02:16] <flaccid> mrdigital-deskto: have a look at fiire's websites and products i guess
[02:17] <Jucato> Artimus: hm.. looks like we're wrong? :)
[02:17] <flaccid> someon1: did you try openoffice or koffice
[02:17] <someon1> opening it directly?
[02:17] <Artimus> Jucato: Not really...  It's either Excel or a huge address book, probably
[02:18] <flaccid> there is a few csv formats
[02:18] <someon1> no I haven't...I guess that would be the most straightword thing to try first
[02:19] <administrator> >_>
[02:23] <michiel_> greetings, just installed Kubuntu on a machine with a geforce 8800GT, and for some reason the card isn't recognized, ie. it simply won't work. Driver management says no proprietary drivers are needed, and X doesn't work with the nv driver (using the vesa driver atm). Any suggestions?
[02:26] <BluesKaj> michiel_, try the default restricted driver in system settings /advanced
[02:27] <michiel_> BluesKaj: that reports same thing, no restricted drivers needed
[02:27] <flaccid> michiel_: yeah this is common, the card is not in the db yet i believe, please pastebin xorg.conf
[02:28] <shadowh511> hello
[02:28] <shadowh511> how do i convert my ubuntu installation onto kubuntu?
[02:28] <michiel_> flaccid: it's the default xorg.conf, I only changed driver "nv" to driver "vesa" to get X up and running ;)
[02:29] <michiel_> I'll still paste it if you want, but there's nothing really shocking or strange in there
[02:30] <BluesKaj> michiel_, check adept for the nvidia drivers ...there are revealing descriptions of the various ones and which cards they work with
[02:32] <michiel_> flaccid: here's the current xorg.conf btw: http://pastebin.org/13790
[02:32] <jim__> hi hi
[02:32] <michiel_> BluesKaj: adept?
[02:32] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:32] <readyx> http://biaaatch.com/pic/butterfly-grey.jpg :)
[02:33] <michiel_> ah, software manager \
[02:33] <michiel_> I've always used Synaptic, but this'll work I guess ;)
[02:34] <flaccid> michiel_: that is why restricted manager is saying none needed possible too, but more likely that card is not in db yet
[02:34] <BluesKaj> no diff realy
[02:34] <flaccid> one sec
[02:34] <michiel_> BluesKaj: adept search for nvidia shows 2 drivers, both of which have no description stating supported cards
[02:34] <jim__> lovin this kubuntu 64 bit crap
[02:35] <jim__> wish i understood it better :/
[02:35] <michiel_> I'm guessing simply downloading the run file from nvidia.com and installing that won't work even if I have the kernel headers downloaded?
[02:35] <flaccid> michiel_: im not sure if someone has got it going yet with this card. ask in in #nvidia or follow the binary driver how to and install nvidia-glx-new
[02:36] <jim__> ooo i had the hardeest time w/ my nvidia 8800gtx card config until I tried this distro
[02:36] <flaccid> michiel_: i think thats the same pretty much as nvidia-glx-new anyway
[02:36] <BluesKaj> michiel_, sorry, ....bummer
[02:36] <flaccid> there are a lot of dif 8800 as well
[02:36] <jim__> yup
[02:36] <jim__> mine is the shizznizzle
[02:37] <BluesKaj> new kernel source driver , would prolly be the one
[02:37] <michiel_> flaccid: latest binary driver on nvidia site mentions specific support for the 8800GT. then again, that driver was released 20 dec. 2007, so might not be in the repository then I guess?
[02:37] <flaccid> michiel_: thats what i am thinking because all these generic identifiers are coming up for the card as its not detected. i have not had someone report which driver works on these cards yet but
[02:38] <michiel_> BluesKaj: heh, no prob, I'll find something. and otherwise I'll just keep using vesa driver until the 8800GT is supported ;)
[02:38] <flaccid> michiel_: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[02:39] <jim__> hey my 8800gtx card is so similar and I had no problems w the latest nvidia pkg
[02:39] <jim__> flaccid is right
[02:39] <michiel_> jim__: your card is older, the 8800GT is the only new card using the 65mn chips
[02:39] <jim__> thats what I used
[02:39] <jim__> ohhhhhh
[02:39] <jim__> ya
[02:39] <jim__> u r right
[02:39] <flaccid> ok thats sweet then, its just not detected yet but can install driver manual
[02:39] <jim__> doing!!!
[02:39] <michiel_> jim__: and yes, nvidiap-glx-new should just work yes ;)
[02:39] <jim__> sorry
[02:40] <jim__> slap me stoopid
[02:40] <flaccid> michiel_: what does lspci | grep -i vga return?
[02:40] <flaccid> however not everyone it will work i don't think so this important thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=596954
[02:40] <michiel_> flaccid: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0611 (rev a2)
[02:41] <flaccid> yep you are same as these other people
[02:41] <jim__> my x crashed on reboot when I used compiz-had to reconfig my xserver.  How can I shut compiz off after I turn it on?
[02:41] <michiel_> bah, I was looking for a thread on it earlier, couldn't find it, thanks ;)
[02:41] <flaccid> jim__: kwin --replace & from konsole
[02:42] <jim__> aighty
[02:42] <flaccid> np michiel_
[02:42] <jim__> tanx
[02:42] <flaccid> consider nv is the best on linux they have a good time screwing up the driver
[02:42] <michiel_> hehe
[02:43] <michiel_> I just tried the official nvidia driver from their site + kernel headers for this kernel. Driver builds ok, when starting X it complains about API mismatch :/
[02:44] <flaccid> oh dang, maybe google that error. did nvidia-glx-new from repos work?
[02:45] <flaccid> (need to make sure you have the right version kernel packages too
[02:45] <michiel_> flaccid:  the nvidia-glx-new did not work
[02:45] <michiel_> kernel headers are correct for this kernel
[02:45] <michiel_> as I got them from apt
[02:46] <michiel_> the error is mentioned in the thread you linked as well
[02:46] <flaccid> ah ok dang i guess you have to wait. what was the error with glx-new?
[02:46] <michiel_> api mismatch is followed by a message stating the card is unsupported with this driver
[02:46] <michiel_> same error
[02:46] <flaccid> oh nvidia how ridiculous
[02:46] <flaccid> release a card without a driver thats pathetic
[02:47] <michiel_> idneed
[02:47] <michiel_> seems the linux support for this card has been missing for over a month now at least
[02:47] <michiel_> which is pretty bad for nvidia
[02:47] <flaccid> its the same concept as a car without a driver
[02:47] <michiel_> I've always had nvidia cards for the simple reason they simply always work under linux, compared to the crappy linux driver support ATI has :)
[02:47] <flaccid> yeah i agree, i've had at least 5 people in the last couple of weeks with same issue i think
[02:48] <flaccid> well ATI might overtake NV now that amd have bought it and releasing new linux driver
[02:48] <BluesKaj> the nvidia ppl are flush with self congrats over their wins in the PC mag tests ...maybe they care a bit less about the linux users now
[02:49] <flaccid> still i don't think they are going to provide the same support for current/old cards
[02:49] <michiel_> ah well, it's not like I play games under linux anyways, so the vesa driver for now works fine, but would be nice at a certain point when KDE4 comes out to run all the nice desktop eyecandy and put those vista users to shame ;)
[02:49] <flaccid> well they should have enough money to get ouf of bed and upload a driver to a website
[02:49] <flaccid> michiel_: the "nv" driver fails as well?
[02:50] <michiel_> yep
[02:50] <michiel_> vesa driver is the only one that works atm
[02:50] <flaccid> how much did the card cost you?
[02:50] <michiel_> pff, enough ;)
[02:50] <michiel_> lemme check
[02:50] <flaccid> hehe. i high spec card with dvi only to use the vesa driver. nice!
[02:51] <dsmith__> hello
[02:52] <michiel_> yeah, dual dvi at that, which is also why I bought it, dual monitors are great
[02:52] <Greenery> michiel_: have u tried the beta driver version?
[02:52] <michiel_> Greenery: I try to stay away from the beta stuff usually, but I might as well give it a try
[02:52] <flaccid> michiel_: i had the old 8800 going at my old work and it was nice, but failed to get dual display going at the time - may of been the lcd but
[02:52] <michiel_> ie. I haven't done so yet
[02:53] <Greenery> well the current version (before the beta) does work but they got 100% fan bug
[02:53] <Greenery> so far i'm using the beta and works well with my 8800GT
[02:53] <flaccid> crazy
[02:53] <flaccid> what i don't get is what you cannot use xrandr with the restricted drivers for both nvidia and ati..
[02:54] <michiel_> bah, the latest official one, 169.07 (the one I just tried) states the 8800 GT is fully supported in the supported GPU list :/
[02:54] <Greenery> yeah it is fully supported
[02:54] <michiel_> Greenery: I'll give it a shot
[02:54] <Greenery> but i dont reccommend u use that
[02:54] <Greenery> cos the 100% fan usage
[02:54] <michiel_> heh, doesn't work for me anyways :(
[02:55] <Greenery> should work
[02:55] <flaccid> use it and when it blows up, take it back to nvidia and say to use this card, i was forced to use the beta driver which blew up the card, replace it and give me the production driver now.
[02:55] <Greenery> did u kill X when u installed the driver?
[02:56] <michiel_> hehe, the beta driver search on the nvidia site even returns an older driver than the one listed as the released driver for this card right now :/
[02:56] <michiel_> of course ;)
[02:56] <Greenery> u could ask ncidia linux support, maybe they could help u
[02:56] <Greenery> *nvidia
[02:56] <mrdigital-deskto> Greenery: can LinuxMCE do TV-out?
[02:57] <Greenery> mrdigital-deskto: i'm not sure abt that, sorry
[02:57] <mrdigital-deskto> ok
[02:57] <flaccid> i dont understand why large companies cannot keep their sites updated or provide basic service and support.
[02:57] <michiel_> same
[02:57] <michiel_> you would guess they have people and cash enough for it
[02:57] <michiel_> and if not enough people, at least cash to hire people to do it ;)
[02:57] <flaccid> its because humans are not intelligient
[02:58] <Greenery> nvidia is hiring people for linux dept
[02:58] <flaccid> and there is the money/greed factor
[02:58] <Greenery> if anyone is interested
[02:58] <michiel_> sounds interesting Greenery, don't think I would qualify tho
[02:58] <flaccid> ah so basically they don't have the linux people but need them now or they left heh
[02:59] <michiel_> anyways, I'll give it another month, nothing 3D or accelerated to be done the coming month anyways. There's always the dualboot option as well
[02:59] <Greenery> nvidia support are here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s&forumid=14
[02:59] <michiel_> thanks for the help so far, see you in a bit when it's working ;)
[03:00] <flaccid> i had to buy windows to use the 3d accel on the card i bought from you nvidia, thats 500 bux please
[03:00] <Greenery> ^^
[03:06] <jhutchins> flaccid: Next time do your research better.
[03:08] <flaccid> jhutchins: research on what sorry
[03:08] <jhutchins> Next time look up hardware support before you buy.
[03:09] <flaccid> jhutchins: i do. i was talking in a different context like putting myself in michiel's shoes
[03:09] <flaccid> is the extreme i would do because of the situation
[03:09] <jhutchins> I see so many people who have to have the latest, hottest thing, and the get it, and guess what?  It DOESN'T WORK!
[03:09] <flaccid> one should not have to research if a driver is available for their card when the company supports the operating system you use
[03:10] <jhutchins> YOU SPENT 3X WHAT THE CURRENT WORKING TECH COSTS, AND IT DOESN'T WORK!
[03:10] <flaccid> jhutchins: yeah i don't do that myself personally, but as a consumer in this world it shouldn't be a hassle to buy something
[03:10] <flaccid> !shouting | jhutchins
[03:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shouting - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:10] <flaccid> hehe
[03:11] <jhutchins> flaccid: Sorry, wrong.
[03:11] <flaccid> you think it should be a hassle to purchase something?
[03:11] <DarkTan_> i can get in to admin mode on anything
[03:11] <SudoKing> !caps | Jhutchins
[03:11] <ubotu> Jhutchins: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[03:11] <flaccid> DarkTan_: please file a bug
[03:11] <SudoKing> :)
[03:11] <jhutchins> I think you should think first, research second, buy third.
[03:12] <flaccid> jhutchins: thats what i do. all my hardware at home works here on linux, working on bsd is another story altogether..
[03:12]  * jhutchins looses interest.
[03:12] <DarkTan_> well i installed gutsy, upgraded, screwed something up, reinstalled, updated, it asked me for my password once, now it doesn't and won't ket me in admin, is there anything i might have done to screw it up?
[03:12] <flaccid> jhutchins: discussions like these are off-topic
[03:12] <jembouge> hello there
[03:13] <flaccid> DarkTan_: i'm not sure, but its a common problem and raising a bug will get attention. i was browsing gutsy bugs and i can't seem to find one on this atm..
[03:13] <master2> hello
[03:13] <DarkTan_> ok
[03:13] <DarkTan_> how do i report it?
[03:13] <flaccid> !bugs | DarkTan_
[03:13] <ubotu> DarkTan_: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[03:14] <flaccid> the kde/kubuntu frontends have a lot of issues still and i wish that would be a priority to fix but i think we need to get more bug reports in
[03:15] <luan> hey
[03:15] <luan> hi everybody
[03:15] <luan> I'm a beginner
[03:15] <luan> in linux
[03:15] <flaccid> sweet
[03:15] <luan> can anyone help me?
[03:15] <flaccid> sure can
[03:15] <luan> I want to install java 6
[03:15] <flaccid> !java | luan
[03:15] <ubotu> luan: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[03:15] <luan> !java | luan
[03:16] <flaccid> ubotu won't repeat back an already recalled factoid luan
[03:16] <luan> thanks
[03:16] <flaccid> np
[03:16] <luan> oh
[03:16] <luan> look
[03:17] <luan> I've downloaded the .bin
[03:17] <luan> on the site java(dot)com
[03:17] <luan> but when I extract it
[03:17] <luan> it isn't work
[03:17] <luan> I tried in my user and in root
[03:17] <luan> but in any never changes
[03:18] <flaccid> !punctuation | luan
[03:18] <ubotu> luan: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[03:18] <luan>  !punctuation | luan
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> luan: read those instructions.... there is an easier way
[03:19] <flaccid> luan: don't use the one for the java website. follow the above guide. you can install it via a package
[03:19] <luan> ok
[03:19] <luan> ohhh
[03:19] <luan> look this
[03:19] <luan> the message tells me
[03:19] <luan> java 6 is already the newe version
[03:20] <luan> but when I go to the site
[03:20] <luan> it says to me that I uses java 5
[03:20] <flaccid> luan: please respond on one line if possible
[03:20] <jim__> I h8 to ask again being my memory but hoew do you shut off compiz again?
[03:20] <luan> ok
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> jim__: run from a ron caommand box,"kwin --replace"
[03:20] <flaccid> luan: you might need to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java#head-fef9352fb26820bb774df978180c9dd3a60e777b
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> jim__: *run command
[03:21] <jim__> yay
[03:21] <jim__> i got it
[03:21] <luan> guys
[03:21] <arrrghhh> so my clipboard is messed up
[03:22] <arrrghhh> and i don't think it's related to klipper
[03:22] <luan> what's the diference between beryl and compiz-fusion
[03:22] <arrrghhh> whenever i go to copy/paste something, i get some capital Y's and two gibbersh characters no matter what i try to copy
[03:22] <arrrghhh> luan: beryl is no more
[03:22] <luan> 'cause I don't see very big diferences
[03:22] <arrrghhh> well
[03:22] <luan> hmm
[03:22] <flaccid> luan: different projects and beryl is pretty much deprecated by compiz-fusion
[03:22] <arrrghhh> that might not be accurate
[03:22] <luan> I think beryl is good
[03:22] <luan> hey
[03:22] <arrrghhh> but google will tell you what is right
[03:23] <luan> how can I change to compiz-fusion?
[03:23] <Dr_willis> the codebase of beryl got put int o compiz-fusion. thus it is beryl+ :)
[03:23] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[03:23] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[03:23] <david__> hello I'm new
[03:23] <acee1234> anyone know how to fix a memory leak
[03:23]  * Dr_willis hands david__  a large coffee.
[03:23] <luan> hmm
[03:24] <david__> thanks dr. willis gives dr. willis a handshake
[03:24]  * Dr_willis hands acee1234  a wad of chewing gum.
[03:24] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:24] <acee1234> nothing is running and system is eating 1.9GB of ram in applications
[03:24] <luan> !compiz
[03:24] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[03:24] <Dr_willis> acee1234,  check the output of the 'free' command
[03:24] <luan> #compiz-fusion
[03:24] <luan> connect compiz-fusion
[03:24] <luan> ...
[03:24] <luan> how can I enter?
[03:25] <acee1234> 1620448 used
[03:25] <luan> o.O
[03:25] <arrrghhh> luan:  /join #compiz-fusion
[03:25] <Dr_willis> buffers = ram thats used as disk buffers. and will be freed up when needed.
[03:25] <luan> thanks again
[03:25] <luan> I'll sleep.. it's too late here
[03:26] <luan> Happy New Year to everybody
[03:26] <acee1234> Dr_willis: 1620448 used
[03:26] <luan> and Linux in the brain to all
[03:26] <luan> ^
[03:26] <luan> ^^
[03:26] <luan> M$ windows sucks ...
[03:27] <arrrghhh> so does anyone know why my clipboard would be copying strange characters to the clipboard instead of what i want to copy?
[03:28] <Dr_willis> acee1234,  so? :)
[03:28] <Dr_willis> total  1555816    used 1496392   here..
[03:28] <Dr_willis> with buffers 45340    cached 1054332
[03:29] <acee1234> Dr_willis: would be nice if the computer didnt stick as bad as this gum any ideas?
[03:30] <acee1234> Dr_willis: even the microsoft brand doesnt loose flavor this fast
[03:30] <Dr_willis> acee1234,  linux tends to use as much ram as it wants for disk cache. If you think you have an actual memory leak in a program. then figure out what program is doing the leaking. and file a bug report. You expecting some sort of magical answer?
[03:31] <acee1234> Dr_willis: your the Doc but it seems i have cancer
[03:31] <arrrghhh> ŸŸ
[03:31] <Dr_willis> Youve really not shown much of a problem. or given much info. Even with 'nothing' running - a system thats been up for some time will have a decnt amount of ram used for cache.
[03:31] <arrrghhh> that's what my clipboard is copying
[03:31] <arrrghhh> i don't get it
[03:32] <Dr_willis> arrrghhh,  how are you pasteing that?
[03:32] <arrrghhh> ctrl-v
[03:32] <arrrghhh> or right click, paste
[03:32] <Dr_willis> arrrghhh,  theres actually 2 clipboards i gues ya can say.. one is on the middle click, the other is the more normal cut/paste type.
[03:32] <Dr_willis> select some text and middle click. see if that works.
[03:32] <arrrghhh> yea i knew about that... but that's not really a solution
[03:33] <arrrghhh> that does still work
[03:33] <Dr_willis> theres also a way to 'sync' those 2 clipboards. with klipper. Actually You may want to run klipper to see whats geting cut/pasted. Its a handy tool
[03:33] <Dr_willis> kilpper refers to the middle click buffer as the 'selection'
[03:33] <arrrghhh> i use klipper
[03:34] <arrrghhh> and it's getting one line that's right
[03:34] <arrrghhh> and the line it always wants to paste is the jibberish
[03:34] <arrrghhh> no matter what i select from klipper
[03:34] <Dr_willis> thats... weird.
[03:34] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:35] <arrrghhh> uh... yea
[03:35] <arrrghhh> i've seen it happen on xfce
[03:35] <Dr_willis> the #kde guys might have a idea or 2. I  cant think of anything to try to force it to reset/restart
[03:36] <arrrghhh> restarting used to fix it, no longer does it.
[03:36] <acee1234> Dr_willis: my problem is that when linux starts it eats about 300MB i do stuff and close out of the windows and after about 4 hrs its eaten all there is my karamba widget reports that only 473 MB is being used but everything else tells me is all gone accented by program lag as for information if there are system stats screen shots of thing that might be helpful i will produce but i know not which you might need
[03:37] <arrrghhh> acee1234: look at swappiness, sometimes the system eats more ram for the sake of applications running smoothly.
[03:37] <arrrghhh> i remember seeing a thread about a guy who upgraded from 2gb to 7gb of ram, and linux promptly ate 6.5 gigs of his ram.  all to applications lol
[03:37] <sparr> id like to slow a program down to simulate it running on a slower processor.  can that be done reliably?
[03:38] <arrrghhh> i guess you could renice the process, but that's not really the same
[03:39] <Dragnslcr> sparr- worst case, I think most virtualization systems let you control how much CPU time a VM gets
[03:39] <acee1234> arrrghhh: http://pastebin.com/m37e6b9ed
[03:39] <Dr_willis> acee1234,  i think karamba may be the thing eating ram/leaking it.  memory leaks can be very hard to detect.
[03:40] <acee1234> <kills karamba
[03:40] <Dr_willis> if its leaking ram - it may not be unallocateing it even if you close it. that can be a bit problem
[03:40] <fildo> Dr_willis: i agree in there hard to find out what leaks
[03:40] <Dr_willis> its also possible it may be a specific karamba applet thats causing the issue..
[03:41] <fildo> well kill it and find out
[03:41] <Dr_willis> eliminate things running.. and see if any seem to have an effect, i guess is the way to trouble shoot it.
[03:41] <acee1234> Dr_willis:  i killed karamba still eatin ram but i dont know if restart is required
[03:41] <fildo> if u restart, the service will restart and you will head into the same issue
[03:42] <acee1234> Dr_willis: i dont know how to kill thing properly
[03:42] <arrrghhh> acee1234: nice pastebin?  that doesn't help me
[03:42] <Dr_willis> Best way to test would be to reboot,  DONT start karamba, and find some other  ram monitoring tool. I perfer conky. :)
[03:42] <fildo> acee1234: psaux  .. find the pid .. then sudo kill -9
[03:42] <acee1234> fildo: i can purge karamba
[03:42] <fildo> purge as in delete ?
[03:43] <fildo> !karamba
[03:43] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[03:43] <acee1234> fildo: yes
[03:43] <fildo> yeah i didnt know what it was
[03:43] <fildo> ive never toyed with it before so im useless to u
[03:43] <acee1234> fildo: "psaux  .. find the pid .. then sudo kill -9"<--what?
[03:43] <fildo> to kill and application
[03:44] <acee1234> psaux doesnt do anything
[03:44] <fildo> in terminal
[03:44] <acee1234> i typed it
[03:44] <fildo> do this . ps aux  | grep karamba
[03:44] <acee1234> 1000     31570  0.0  0.0   2976   768 pts/2    S+   21:44   0:00 grep karamba
[03:45] <fildo> ok now .  sudo kill -9 1000
[03:45] <fildo> actually dont
[03:45] <fildo> its not running
[03:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:45] <fildo> wtf?
[03:45] <Dr_willis> karamba has a quit menu item.... unless its hung.. i thought
[03:46] <acee1234> fildo: i exited via gui
[03:46] <fildo> thats y its not running then
[03:46] <fildo> u still having mem leaks
[03:46] <fildo> ?
[03:46] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:46] <acee1234> fildo: what i meant when i said i didnt know how to kill things i meant things that didnt have a convenient close button
[03:46] <acee1234> yes
[03:47] <fildo> ok
[03:47] <acee1234> i still have a huge amout of mem being eatin
[03:47] <flaccid> !info kubuntu-docs
[03:47] <ubotu> kubuntu-docs: kubuntu documentation. In component main, is optional. Version 7.10-5 (gutsy), package size 4856 kB, installed size 56384 kB
[03:47] <fildo> i mis interpreted thinking that u wanted to know on how to kill certain processes or applications
[03:47] <fildo> aussie aussie aussie !
[03:47] <fildo> off the topic.. but go the aussies in the cricket
[03:48] <acee1234> <--is a lost american
[03:50] <acee1234> is there a reason my swap is always at 0?
[03:51] <arrrghhh> acee1234: did you listen to me at all?
[03:53] <acee1234> arrrghhh: i assumed so but perhaps i missed something?
[03:53] <arrrghhh> uh... swappiness
[03:53] <arrrghhh> look it up
[03:53] <acee1234> Dr_willis: conkey reports 25% usage
[03:54] <Dr_willis> 25% is trivial. :)
[03:55] <Dr_willis> acee1234,  swap is only used when it really really needs it.
[03:55] <Dr_willis> Unlike the way MS does it
[03:55] <fildo> indeed. ms is screwed in the department
[03:56] <Dr_willis> when a major 'tweak' for windows is to set the swap file at a set size.. and you gain big improvements.. thats scary. :)
[03:57] <weswh-> trying to mount a firewire drive of mine...i have terminal records indicating that it was sda3 before...but, i just can't remember. how can i find out what is 'active'? figure out how to mount it
[03:57] <acee1234> 25% is trivial. i understand that 25% is trivial but my ksysguard tells me different and the program lag reflects the lack of ram or some other unknown
[03:58] <Dr_willis> I cant recall ever seeing programs 'lag' due to high ram ussage
[03:58] <Dr_willis> and if they are lagging now.. its not due to ram ussage.
[03:58] <acee1234> Dr_willis: other possible debug?
[03:59] <Dr_willis> ksysguard is giving me some totally bogus #'s here.
[03:59] <Dr_willis> my memory is like  1.2546E+10
[03:59] <Dr_willis> thats.. odddd.
[03:59] <acee1234> Dr_willis: ok so ksysguard is bogus
[04:00] <Dr_willis> the statys bar of ksysguard seems correct.
[04:00] <weswh-> is there a command that will tell me what is active on my system device wise?
[04:00] <acee1234> Dr_willis: what laggs programs then
[04:00] <weswh-> even if it isn't mounted?
[04:00] <acee1234> Dr_willis: my hd isnt churning
[04:00] <Dr_willis> weswh-,  i often use 'sudo fdisk -l'
[04:01] <weswh-> ah...there we go
[04:02] <weswh-> now, this is an HFS (mac system drive from before)...I've mounted it successfully in the past. It's saying doesn't cointain a valid partition table though
[04:02] <weswh-> doesn't sound good...hope nothing happened to this disk
[04:04] <acee1234> im restarting x to see if it effects anything
[04:05] <dasKreech> AmyRose_laptop: ! :)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hum.  why does it go silent when i enter?
[04:08] <Alonea> will the kubuntu disk reformat my hard drive if windows can't?
[04:08] <AmyRose_laptop> Is it so bad to use a laptop here? =P
[04:08] <stdin> because we fear the stick :)
[04:08] <dasKreech> !hobbsee
[04:08] <ubotu> I phear the stick so shhhhh
[04:08] <dasKreech> You asked
[04:08] <AmyRose> Hobbsee: You scare us =P
[04:08] <Hobbsee> oh dear :P
[04:08] <dasKreech> She's not real!
[04:09] <acee1234> dr_willis: restaring x didnt do anything. how do i get the system to boot without starting from previous session's open windows etc
[04:09] <dasKreech> She can't hurt us if she's not real!
[04:09] <AmyRose> Neither am I. I'm just a pink hedgehog in a series of video games
[04:09] <Alonea> hey dasKreech
[04:09] <dasKreech> Hey Alonea  :)
[04:09] <dasKreech> Alonea: it kan't ?
[04:09] <dasKreech> AmyRose: But we dont' Phear you :-P
[04:10]  * AmyRose strangles dasKreech with a mouse kable
[04:10] <Dr_willis> acee1234,  kde has a sessions menu/setting somewhere. you can set it to use a default/empty session
[04:10] <Alonea> dasKreech: nope. its odd. Windows ends up going wonky after about every 2 weeks to 2 months. I thought it was the hdd, so I got a new one, reinstalled windows on it, and now its doing the same thing the old hdd did.
[04:10]  * dasKreech laughs maniacally at the pink one in his head
[04:11] <dasKreech> Alonea: It's your cable
[04:11] <Alonea> dasKreech: yet my linux system has no failure of any sort. I am wondering if I got a bad version of windows from hp.
[04:11] <dasKreech> Alonea: got crimpped is my guess and is dropping bits
[04:11] <Alonea> dasKreech: cable? its a laptop and I tried switching ports.
[04:11] <dasKreech> Alonea: My computer did the same thing Windows couldn't boot Throw nasty errors told me the hard drive that it was on didn't exist
[04:12] <dasKreech> switched hard drives did the same thing
[04:12] <dasKreech>  Linux was fine unless I was copying a multigig file
[04:12] <dasKreech> Swapped out the cable everything went back to good
[04:12] <Alonea> dasKreech: well, its not that bad yet. i just cant format or defrag it. my computer goes for a while and then just shuts off or if in windows, blue screen.
[04:13]  * AmyRose is glad she doesn't have to defrag with Linux =3
[04:13] <dasKreech> Alonea: laptop eh?
[04:13] <acee1234> Dr_willis: ok restarting with empty session brb
[04:13] <Alonea> dasKreech: I would have no clue how to replace both cables in a laptop.
[04:13] <dasKreech> how loud does the fan get?
[04:13] <dasKreech> I find I have to put my laptop hanging off a table edge or somethign when doing long period hard drive work or it overheats
[04:13] <Alonea> dasKreech: not very. and its not overheating or anything (I would feel it...). It sounds normal to me.
[04:14] <dasKreech>  the fans try but if they have restricted airflow they eventually just tell the BIOS to shut down
[04:14] <Alonea> dasKreech: and it pretty much fails within 10 minutes or less.
[04:14] <dasKreech> Yeah 10 minutes or less for me too
[04:14] <Alonea> dasKreech: hmm..and the compy doesn't even feel warm.
[04:14] <foibles> hi there
[04:14] <dasKreech> AmyRose: Of course not. You don't exist! :)
[04:14] <foibles> how do you reset the kde wallet password?
[04:15] <dasKreech> with the command piKpoKet
[04:15] <Alonea> dasKreech: i do have an external lap fan thingie I can hook up to the usb. I just don't know if its over heating or not.
[04:15] <weswh-> I am doing a cp from a mounted drive to my system drive...is there any way to see if the transfer is in progress? or if it is hung or something...i entered the command and it is just sitting there
[04:15] <dasKreech> Alonea: Where is the fan blowout?
[04:15] <dasKreech> under the laptop or to the back ?
[04:15] <Alonea> dasKreech: bottom and very back.
[04:16] <stdin> weswh-: nope, cp has no progress info
[04:16] <weswh-> it did copy a directory to my system drive...but, trying properties etc. to see if it is increasing in size, isn't getting me anywhere
[04:16] <dasKreech> foibles: probably in the kwallet dir. dunno
[04:16] <AmyRose> dasKreech: Your name gives me a headache :-P
[04:16] <dasKreech> Alonea: how much along the bottom all to one side or along the entire back ?
[04:17] <dasKreech> AmyRose: Ha ha :)
[04:17] <dasKreech> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huXORnAtDig
[04:17] <dasKreech> AmyRose: ^^^
[04:17] <Alonea> dasKreech: about 3 inches long on left side.
[04:17] <stdin> !ot  | dasKreech
[04:17] <ubotu> dasKreech: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:18] <dasKreech> stdin: Where?
[04:18] <stdin> dasKreech: what do you mean "Where?"
[04:20] <AmyRose> Yeah, dasKreech, you have to take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:20] <acee1234> how do i get rid of adept notifier green dot?
[04:20] <dasKreech> AmyRose: Neernerr
[04:21] <stdin> acee1234: right click it and quit it
[04:23] <functionofxy> will kde 4.0 packages be opt-in or opt-out for 7.10? will they be offered in the main repo at all?
[04:23] <functionofxy> or will we have to wait for 8.04?
[04:23] <flaccid> !kde4 | functionofxy
[04:23] <ubotu> functionofxy: kde4 is KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://tinyurl.com/2gqwmr - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[04:23] <functionofxy> i understand that
[04:23] <functionofxy> thanks
[04:24] <functionofxy> but will it be dumped into the 7.10 repos?
[04:24] <stdin> functionofxy: they'll probably be an option in 8.04, but 8.10 should have it by default
[04:24] <functionofxy> =[
[04:24] <functionofxy> so long to wait....
[04:24] <acee1234>  stdin: doesnt work
[04:24] <stdin> there are packages in the 7.10 repos now
[04:24] <stdin> acee1234: what happens?
[04:24] <functionofxy> will we be getting kde4 packages the same way we got kde4rc2?
[04:25] <flaccid> functionofxy: thats what i was told, but nto sure
[04:25] <acee1234> stdin:  nothing
[04:25] <stdin> acee1234: what did you try?
[04:25] <acee1234> stdin:  hitting the "x" right-click/exit
[04:26] <stdin> functionofxy: they'll probably be in the PPA before they hit the repos, but that's because getting it in to the main repos is a long process
[04:26] <stdin> acee1234: and it didn't close then?
[04:26] <acee1234> stdin: npo
[04:26] <acee1234> stdin: no
[04:26] <stdin> acee1234: try "killall adept_notifier" from the run dialog
[04:27] <weswh-> do i need to "empty" my trash? i remember back in like edgey or something i had a trash icon...but i haven't seen one in ages.
[04:27] <acee1234> stdin: bingo
[04:27] <stdin> weswh-: you only need to empty it if you want to actually delete the stuff in it
[04:28] <stdin> trash:/ from konqueror/dolphin
[04:28] <weswh-> cool...
[04:29] <mrtimbo> Why does it keep saying that the flash plugin is broke
[04:29] <mrtimbo> Well when i join the #Kubuntu channel?
[04:30] <stdin> because that's the information that's in the topic
[04:31] <fannagoganna> what appears to be the problem?
[04:31] <mrtimbo> but I installed it yesterday and it was fine
[04:40] <flaccid> !flash > fildo
[04:56] <m1k3> I need help, how do I change the apt-get to install from the internet and not the cd?
[04:56] <flaccid> m1k3: enable repos in adept
[04:56] <flaccid> !adept | m1k3
[04:56] <ubotu> m1k3: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[04:57] <weswh-> i am in trash:/
[04:58] <weswh-> how do i actually delete everything?
[04:58] <weswh-> select it all and hit delete again?
[05:00] <jes2> hi... I have permission problems with rails on kubuntu; everything seemed Ok till I went to my railsapp directory & tried "rails test"... get permission denied
[05:00] <jes2> I don't think I should have to use sudo to do things like this...right?
[05:01] <sigma_123> konqueror
[05:04] <hdevalence> I can't get gmail's smtp to work in kontact
[05:05] <sigma_123> make sure u set up the ssl properly. gmail is very picky with ports
[05:06] <hdevalence> sigma_123: i found if you do 'send mail via>account@gmail.com' it works
[05:06] <hdevalence> sigma_123: but not 'send mail'
[05:12] <sigma_123> i think u need to set the gmail account as the default one. im sure i had that problem as well
[05:13] <sigma_123> otherwise it wont know which one to use
[05:21] <acee1234> how do i kill system beep on backspace? i already turend off the system bell and all sounds via settings
[05:22] <flaccid> is this in konsole acee1234?
[05:23] <acee1234> flaccid: no
[05:23] <flaccid> where is it doing it then
[05:23] <Hobbsee> acee1234: add "blacklist pcspkr" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[05:24] <Hobbsee> probably modprobe -r pcspkr for now - that will only take effect when you reboot
[05:24] <tomahasamoot> Is there an error console for kubuntu?
[05:24] <acee1234> flaccid: pidgin
[05:24] <tomahasamoot> I'd like to get all messeges that I'm missing
[05:25] <flaccid> is it pc speaker or sound card?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> by system beep, i'ts probably the former
[05:27] <acee1234> flaccid: not speaker
[05:27] <flaccid> i don't know ask the pidgin people. if its disable in kde then yeah. pidgin is gnome/gtk app
[05:29] <acee1234> flaccid: will do thanks though
[05:30] <flaccid> np
[05:33] <tomahasamoot> What happens to all the messages that go to std-error when an app is launched via the K menue, rather than with a terminal? I want to see those messages, but I don't want to launch all my apps with a terminal
[05:34] <flaccid> tomahasamoot: not sure maybe /dev/null . why do you not want to launch in konsole ?
[05:36] <tomahasamoot> flaccid: I'm thinking of something for general use, more like an applet.  I've seen these things before in other window managers
[05:36] <tomahasamoot> they catch all of standard error
[05:37] <tomahasamoot> ... Ksysgaurd?
[05:37] <flaccid> um i don't know hey. launching from konsole in theory is the same. if its not called from that then yeah i guess you need to know kde
[05:37] <flaccid> um im not sure if ksysguard can do it
[05:39] <tomahasamoot> thanks
[05:41] <yao_ziyuan> how do i set the screen resolution BEFORE user login?
[05:42] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: you can't in any easy way
[05:42] <eljefe> When I hit [Back] in Konqueror, it always deposits me near the bottom of my folder, rather than at the top or (ideally) where I used to be.  I s there any way to fix this?
[05:42] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: ...
[05:42] <flaccid> eljefe: i think if you goto keyboard shortcuts from the menu
[05:42] <yao_ziyuan> yao_ziyuan: i found my question ambiguous
[05:43] <eljefe> keyboard shortcuts?
[05:43] <yao_ziyuan> yao_ziyuan: what i mean is: each user can have his own screen resolution after logging into his account,
[05:43] <flaccid> yeah check its config for the backspace button or the action you require
[05:43] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: thats right they change in system settings yeah
[05:43] <yao_ziyuan> but what about the screen resolution used in the login screeN?
[05:44] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: thats the one in xorg.conf
[05:44] <eljefe> what i mean to say is, if i am in konqueror and i open a new folder from the 2000 folders and this one starts with "F"; then from that new folder I go back to the 2000 folders, and rather than being in the "F" section, i am at the "Z" section...
[05:44] <flaccid> eljefe: oh im not sure. you could ask in #kde i guess
[05:44] <eljefe> k thanks
[05:45] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: thanks
[05:45] <flaccid> sorry wish i knew or someone else here
[05:47] <thanhcong> aaaa
[05:50] <K`zan> Can someone tell me where the downloaded packages are stored, I got a problem with vmware and would like to clean that out so I get a good start again.
[05:51] <emilsedgh> K`zan: /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:52] <K`zan> emilsedgh: Thank you sir!
[05:55] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: but is there a gui that can help me configure xorg.conf?
[05:57] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: you could do kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf and do it manually or do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select desired resolution, pressing enter on the others
[05:57] <flaccid> because i think if you edit it as user it changes user resolution
[05:57] <flaccid> somebody correct me on that please
[05:58] <unix_infidel> you guys should really think about aliasing xorgconfig to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:58] <unix_infidel> and by "you guys" i mean the project.
[05:59] <flaccid> whats xorgconfig
[05:59] <unix_infidel> flaccid: http://www.linuxmanpages.com/man1/xorgconfig.1x.php
[06:00] <unix_infidel> it's deprecated, but used to be included in the xorg distribution for ubuntu iirc.
[06:00] <flaccid> how do i get it
[06:00] <flaccid> then why was it deprecated and why should it come back and what will it solve?
[06:01] <unix_infidel> flaccid: i mis used the word deprecated.
[06:02] <unix_infidel> it's not a part of the xorg distribution in many linux distributions.
[06:02] <unix_infidel> but for completeness, aliasing the binary function to the distribution specific funtion using dpkg-reconfigure makes sense.
[06:02] <flaccid> why
[06:02] <flaccid> whats the dif
[06:03] <unix_infidel> one is a script that generates an xorg.conf the other is a package manager that configures its own conf files.
[06:03] <snarkster> hi guys im trying to get frostwire to work but it keeps telling me that i need to update my java, so i installed jre 1.5 but it still says that I need to install jre 1.5.. do i need to make symlinks or somehting
[06:04] <flaccid> unix_infidel: whats the advantage with xorgconfig, why do we need it
[06:04] <unix_infidel> flaccid: it's one line in .bashrc
[06:04] <unix_infidel> the advantage is ensuring functional compatibility with previous practices.
[06:05] <snarkster> doesnt xorgconfig allow you to configure X???
[06:05] <unix_infidel> if xorgconfig was deprecated then it would be a different matter. I never saw a reason for REMOVAL of xorgconfig from xorg in the release notes.
[06:05] <unix_infidel> snarkster: yes, it's not included in the ubuntu xorg distribution iirc.
[06:05] <flaccid> i still dont see what it is going to do. previous practtices?
[06:06] <unix_infidel> sure, why not.
[06:06] <yao_ziyuan> i had a frustrating experience when i first installed 7.10
[06:06] <unix_infidel> yao_ziyuan: ditto.
[06:06] <unix_infidel> Linux installation and management is a frustrating ordeal.
[06:06] <yao_ziyuan> i accepted all upgrades as suggested by adept notifier
[06:06] <snarkster> Well I usually write my own org.conf files anyway
[06:06] <unix_infidel> but when it's functional it's a dream.
[06:06] <yao_ziyuan> then the system got broken
[06:07] <yao_ziyuan> lesson 101: never, never accept updates...
[06:07] <yao_ziyuan> *ever
[06:08] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: where did you learn that?
[06:08] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: from failure
[06:08] <flaccid> do you know exactly what caused the problem, yao_ziyuan?
[06:09] <yao_ziyuan> the error is that libc6, and many things depending on it, such as adept-manager, ..., all got broken
[06:10] <yao_ziyuan> since then i can't update anything
[06:10] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: whats the error you get when you go to update something now?
[06:10] <yao_ziyuan> just download a fresh 7.10 into your vm machine and accept all upgrades and see
[06:10] <flaccid> i've already done that quite a few times recently without a problem actually on dif machines
[06:10] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: something about the incompatibility of the updated libc6 and other core things
[06:11] <flaccid> show us the error, we'll loook the the solution/problem
[06:11] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: have you tried it in VMware?
[06:11] <yao_ziyuan> i did it in VMware 5 in windows xp sp2
[06:12] <flaccid> i did one in vmware recently yes, not sure which version but it worked
[06:12] <yao_ziyuan> if i update anything in adept manager,
[06:13] <flaccid> but still, we don't know the specific problem, but the specific error will help..
[06:13] <yao_ziyuan> the file download would be fine,
[06:13] <yao_ziyuan> but when the downloaded packages are being installed,
[06:13] <yao_ziyuan> .
[06:14] <yao_ziyuan> i'm reluctant to risk again,
[06:14] <yao_ziyuan> but does vmware's "Snapshot" feature guarantee a good rollback?
[06:14] <flaccid> basically, when you get an error, you google it and search the wiki/forums and seek help here. its better than just giving up
[06:14] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: i don't know about vmware
[06:15] <yao_ziyuan> a snapshot is something like windows xp's system restoration point
[06:15] <Dr_willis> vmware does  a snapshot in a even more 'snappshotty way' I  guess ya can say
[06:16] <Dr_willis> it does a snap of ram/hd/other things..   i belive. restores to the instant it was taken
[06:18] <fildo> ok
[06:18] <fildo> ur right Dr_willis
[06:18] <K`zan> I think I have something hosed in this install, is there someway, short of reinstall, to check and rebuild?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> define 'hosed this install' :)
[06:21] <flaccid> get out the dryer and turn off the computer first
[06:21] <yao_ziyuan> i'm redoing it
[06:23] <Dr_willis> well night all.
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> i'm in a freshly installed kbuntu 7.10
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> first i hit Fetch Updates
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> then there are two options enabled:
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> Full Upgrade and Version Upgrade
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> Version Upgrade will upgrade me to "7.10"
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> so it makes no sense
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> now i hit Full Upgrade
[06:24] <yao_ziyuan> and Apply Changes
[06:24] <flaccid> ah i think someone else had this, its a bug. you should do sudo apt-get update from konsole first or do it all from konsole.
[06:24] <yao_ziyuan> ?
[06:24] <yao_ziyuan> you mean Version Upgrade has a bug or Full Upgrade has a bug?
[06:25] <flaccid> im not sure of the exact details, but adept was doing similar behaviour to this and i don't think it mattered which option
[06:25] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: goto konsole and sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade after closing adept
[06:25] <yao_ziyuan> so you already know what the problem is and don't need my further reproducing the bug?
[06:25] <flaccid> once the upgrade is done, open adept_update again and see what is left
[06:26] <flaccid> (if any)
[06:26] <neville> Hey, is it possible to modify and add items to the system menu part of the task bar?
[06:26] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: i would still submit the bug on launchpad but if it cross-referencing an existing bug that is the same, just cancel the report
[06:26] <K`zan> flaccid: Will that correct something that is screwed up?!?
[06:27] <flaccid> neville: in kde menu editor . right click kmenu
[06:27] <flaccid> K`zan: it did with two other people in here
[06:27] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: you mean you know why libc6 and many other things get broken after a full upgrade now?
[06:27] <K`zan> flaccid: OK, I'll give it a go and see if vmware will install and work after that.  Thanks VERY much!
[06:27] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: no i do not. im talking about the adept behaviour, and you have not given the actual error yet, so i can not look it up
[06:27] <yao_ziyuan> ok
[06:28] <fildo> lol
[06:28] <yao_ziyuan> i'll let it Full Upgrade and show you the error
[06:28] <flaccid> K`zan: sorry what were you talking about?
[06:28] <neville> Okay, thanks
[06:28] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: it might be a good idea to avoid the bug if it is a bug by doing it in konsole as suggested
[06:28] <K`zan> Oy:
[06:28] <K`zan> apt-get update
[06:28] <K`zan> erov: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing.
[06:28] <K`zan> Time to reinstall methinketh :-/.
[06:29] <K`zan> Ah, perhaps not.
[06:29] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: so you're suggesting that going with konsole will be bug-free and you don't want to know the gui-style full upgrade problem any more?
[06:29] <flaccid> K`zan: do sudo mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
[06:30] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: your choice you can do both. if its vmare image i guess its not a production system
[06:30] <K`zan> flaccid: Did that without the -p, will it make a difference?
[06:30] <flaccid> K`zan: if the parent dirs are not existing yes
[06:30] <K`zan> Seems it wants to reload the kernel, should be interesting :-)
[06:31] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: no i downloaded the official 7.10 iso file and installed it in vmware as a virtual machine
[06:31] <K`zan> parent did exist :-)!
[06:31] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: yes what im saying is that you can easily copy backup the image, production system maybe you don't want to break.
[06:31] <flaccid> sweet
[06:32] <yurimxpxman> are there any good pinball games for the tty?
[06:32] <flaccid> !find pinball
[06:32] <ubotu> Found: pinball, pinball-data, pinball-dev
[06:32] <yao_ziyuan> ok i'll cancel reproducing that Full Upgrade bug now
[06:32] <fildo> !ganes > yurimxpxman
[06:32] <fildo> !games > yurimxpxman
[06:32] <flaccid> not sure
[06:33] <yao_ziyuan> pinball? sounds interesting
[06:33] <mrdigital> im having trouble with nvidia
[06:33] <mrdigital> i installed the driver
[06:33] <mrdigital> now i get errors
[06:33] <flaccid> pastebin the errors please mrdigital
[06:34] <K`zan> OK, now to see if vmware will install and have the network function...
[06:34] <K`zan> Gonna reboot first... bbiab
[06:35] <mrdigital> flaccid: any ideas?
[06:35] <flaccid> [17:34] <flaccid> pastebin the errors please mrdigital
[06:35] <flaccid> can't read minds or your computer remotely sorry
[06:35] <fildo> lol
[06:35] <mrdigital> ok
[06:36] <mrdigital> which pastebin is allowed here
[06:36] <fildo> any :)
[06:36] <fildo> i would assume
[06:36] <se7en__> !pb
[06:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:38] <mrdigital> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50472/
[06:38] <flaccid> mrdigital: did you google the error?
[06:38] <K`zan> Guess something got hosed with the kernel since it wanted to re-install it on the upgrade.
[06:39] <flaccid> mrdigital: what does lspci | grep -i vga return?
[06:39] <stacey> how do i clear my logs ve run out of diskspace?
[06:40] <mrdigital> vga compatible controller nvidia corp unknown device 0421 rev a1
[06:40] <flaccid> stacey: you don't really do that, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=280701
[06:40] <flaccid> mrdigital: new 8800 or something?
[06:40] <mrdigital> 8500Gt
[06:40] <flaccid> oh not good :(
[06:40] <mrdigital> why not good?
[06:40] <flaccid> nvidia only got beta driver for it at this stage which has an overflow bug
[06:41] <mrdigital> lets try it out
[06:41] <mrdigital> how do i do it?
[06:41] <flaccid> have to use the vesa driver with no 3d accel until they release it
[06:41] <mrdigital> lets do beta
[06:41] <flaccid> !nvidia | mrdigital
[06:41] <ubotu> mrdigital: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:41] <flaccid> i might detail it on there, but its 3rd party and i've never actually done it myself
[06:41] <yao_ziyuan> what a rush! vmware was not responding but also wasn't frozen while restoring that snapshot... i thought it's dead... after reading some web pages... it woke up again
[06:41] <flaccid> i guess you get the driver from nvidia's website
[06:41] <flaccid> ok cool yao_ziyuan
[06:42] <mrdigital> how do i fix the xserver
[06:42] <flaccid> mrdigital: do sudo dpkg-reconfigure and select vesa
[06:42] <stacey> flaccid: why wouldnt i ive never read a log and they must be takng up some space unless they trim themselves?
[06:42] <flaccid> then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm to restart X/kdm
[06:43] <mrdigital> when i do that it says specift a package to reconfigure
[06:43] <flaccid> stacey: correct, thats what logrotate does
[06:43] <flaccid> sorry sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server
[06:43] <stacey> ahh and ths is done by default? or do i have to set it up?
[06:43] <mrdigital> flaccid: not installed
[06:45] <flaccid> brb
[06:47] <se7en__> mrdigital: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:47] <mrdigital> says not installed
[06:48] <mrdigital> xserver.org is not installed
[06:48] <ardchoille> mrdigital: "-" not "."
[06:48] <mrdigital> same thing
[06:48] <mrdigital> lol
[06:48] <mrdigital> not installe
[06:48] <mrdigital> d
[06:49] <ardchoille> mrdigital: What is the output of lsb_release -a | grep -i release
[06:49] <fildo> wtf?
[06:49] <mrdigital> no lsob modules are available release 7.04
[06:50] <mrdigital> lsb
[06:50] <fildo> haha
[06:50] <mrdigital> ??
[06:50] <yao_ziyuan> how do i hide a program's button on taskbar?
[06:50] <ardchoille> mrdigital: Then "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" should work for you, try it again making sure you made no typo's
[06:50] <yao_ziyuan> i don't want my VMware Toolbox's application button to show on taskbar
[06:51] <mrdigital> oops
[06:51] <ardchoille> !wtf | fildo
[06:51] <ubotu> fildo: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[06:52] <mrdigital> yay kde
[06:52] <K`zan> Looks like the vmware networking is still hosed, sigh.
[06:53] <K`zan> rebooting, bbiab
[06:54] <mrdigital> do i need nvidia-glx-new?
[06:54] <mrdigital> what else do i need?
[06:55] <ardchoille> mrdigital: You should look up your vid card and see which driver is recommended.
[06:56] <mrdigital> nvidia 8500gt
[06:56] <ardchoille> mrdigital: I don't see that card listed at all, so I am assuming the nvidia-glx-new driver
[06:59] <K`zan> Nope, sigh, vmware networking is flat not working and I am flat out of ideas :-(.
[06:59] <keekles> hi there, im using kubuntu, and for some reason it wont play my dvd movies
[06:59] <keekles> i install libdvdcss but its still not working
[06:59] <keekles> what else would i need?
[07:00] <ardchoille> keekles: What is the exact error? Use pastebin if it is more than three lines
[07:00] <ardchoille> !pastebin
[07:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:03] <keekles> ardchoille, http://nopaste.info/84c752f631.html
[07:03] <keekles> thats the output i get for vlc
[07:04] <ardchoille> keekles: I don't know much about vlc but lines 35 and 36 seem to have some info.
[07:05] <mrdigital> whre can i get the libc devel packages
[07:05] <ardchoille> Hopefully someone who knows vlc better than I do will be able tohelp
[07:05] <keekles> ardchoille, what player would you suggest i use
[07:06] <ardchoille> keekles: I use xine and mplayer.. and never had a problem between those, but this may be a problem with the dvd disk you have.
[07:06] <keekles> ardchoille, i see
[07:06] <unix_infidel> keekles: you're having problems playing a dvd?
[07:06] <keekles> unix_infidel, yeah
[07:06] <unix_infidel> vlc should work just fine.
[07:07] <ardchoille> unix_infidel: Here's his errors: http://nopaste.info/84c752f631.html
[07:07] <keekles> let me test another dvd
[07:07] <keekles> oh wait
[07:07] <keekles> yeah it was the dvd
[07:07] <snarkster> solved my java prblem by removeing gij
[07:07] <keekles> i just flipped it over to widescreen to test the otherside (dual layer) and it worked
[07:08] <snarkster> now frost wire is working
[07:08] <ardchoille> keekles: That's good to hear :)
[07:08] <keekles> ardchoille, unix_infidel : thanks for the help though
[07:08] <flaccid> sorry about the typo mrdigital i had a phone call, did you go alrgith?
[07:08] <ardchoille> keekles: yw
[07:09] <flaccid> i mean alright.
[07:09] <flaccid> mrdigital: as i advised they have not released the driver in production yet. there is only beta for your card.
[07:09] <mrdigital> this isnt beta1
[07:09] <mrdigital> dec 24th 2007
[07:09] <mrdigital> came out
[07:10] <flaccid> mrdigital: is it working?
[07:10] <flaccid> with your card i mean, because it hasn't for 3 other people
[07:11] <mrdigital> no
[07:11] <mrdigital> i get unknown nvidia
[07:11] <flaccid> yeah, so as i advised only the beta works or vesa.
[07:11] <mrdigital> no
[07:11] <mrdigital> i did nvidia-glx-new
[07:11] <flaccid> no?
[07:12] <mrdigital> this woked before!
[07:12] <flaccid> so it does work?
[07:12] <mrdigital> how can i install libc headers
[07:12] <flaccid> what is the change in variables from what you had before is it the exist same installation and package state and configuration
[07:12] <flaccid> exist=exact
[07:12] <mrdigital> njo
[07:12] <flaccid> no what?
[07:12] <mrdigital> from 7.10 to 7.04 clean wipeout
[07:13] <flaccid> wtf
[07:13] <flaccid> sorry what does that mean
[07:13] <mrdigital> idk
[07:13] <mrdigital> i downgraded?
[07:13] <flaccid> via apt?
[07:13] <mrdigital> wiped out the entire hdd
[07:13] <unix_infidel> format.
[07:13] <mrdigital> no from the installation CD
[07:13] <flaccid> so basically you are saying feisty install..
[07:13] <mrdigital> yes
[07:14] <flaccid> dif version of nvidia-glx-new between releases
[07:14] <fildo> indeed there are flaccid ;) i agree
[07:14] <flaccid> im checking
[07:15] <flaccid> yep quite dif kernel and driver version wise respectively
[07:15] <flaccid> so i guess that means it hasn't worked before
[07:16] <flaccid> downgrading is not going to help a card that needs a driver or is recent
[07:16] <mkquist> hey all...  Does gstreamer work in gibbon?
[07:16] <mrdigital> its dong the same exact thing before
[07:16] <flaccid> yeah i would expect it to. it won't work on feisty.
[07:17] <unix_infidel> are there any tools in the repos to decrypt a pdf?
[07:17] <mrdigital> how did i get it
[07:17] <flaccid> how did you get what?
[07:17] <mrdigital> when i booted 7.04 before it sayd the nvidia logo
[07:17] <unix_infidel> or bypass password protection.
[07:17] <mrdigital> isnt thst wjhat supposed ot happen?
[07:17] <mrdigital> i remember i had to do somrthing
[07:18] <flaccid> right so it did work, you probably have a the wrong packages installed or config
[07:19] <flaccid> mrdigital: pastebin dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia; lsb_release -a; uname -r; cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf; cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:19] <flaccid> mrdigital: plus dpkg -l | grep linux-resticted-
[07:19] <flaccid> this will see where the problem is at least
[07:20] <mrdigital> now i have
[07:20] <mrdigital> failed to initi nvidia kernel module
[07:20] <flaccid> yep sounds like you have the wrong kernel loaded or packages installed. the above commands will show the problem
[07:20] <Olde> what's the usual path for java in konqueror, or is there one?
[07:22] <adamonline45> Is there a flaccid in the house?
[07:23] <flaccid> yeah
[07:23] <fildo> fo sure
[07:23] <mrdigital> ok i cant pastebin any of this
[07:23] <mrdigital> so what do u wanna know
[07:23] <flaccid> mrdigital: why
[07:23] <fildo> when it comes to kubuntu problems his ur man
[07:23] <mrdigital> im not typing all this stuff into pastebin
[07:23] <flaccid> mrdigital: i want to analyse it
[07:23] <Olde> what's the usual path for java in konqueror, or is there one?
[07:23] <fildo> copy paste
[07:23] <flaccid> copy and paste
[07:23] <mrdigital> cant copy n paste
[07:24] <K`zan> Found the problem!
[07:24] <mkquist> anyone know if gstreamer has problems in gibbon?
[07:24] <K`zan> VMWare was binding to an unused ethernet card :).
[07:24] <flaccid> right if you don't want to go into X with vesa driver, then the ones to see are the dpkg commands and uname -r
[07:24] <mrdigital> ok
[07:24] <flaccid> the kernel version must match with all you see
[07:24] <mrdigital> Error: nvidia driver version mismatch to nvidia kernel module
[07:25] <flaccid> yes this is what we are checking
[07:25] <flaccid> the kernel mismatch
[07:25] <mrdigital> to see where it mismatched?
[07:25] <flaccid> yes the version mismatch i would assume
[07:25] <mrdigital> where do i see it?
[07:26] <snarkster> what is the name of proggy that will allow you to put any application in the systray?
[07:26] <flaccid> mrdigital: as advised: dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia; lsb_release -a; uname -r; dpkg -l | grep linux-resticted-
[07:26] <flaccid> !info alltray | snarkster
[07:26] <ubotu> snarkster: alltray: Dock any program into the system tray. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.69-1 (gutsy), package size 57 kB, installed size 224 kB
[07:27] <snarkster> thank you flaccid
[07:27] <flaccid> np
[07:27] <mrdigital> holdon
[07:27] <flaccid> you have understand that stuff but, thats kind of why i need to look
[07:28] <ardchoille> snarkster: there's ksystraycmd which you probably alreadyhave
[07:30] <mrdigital> !pastbin
[07:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:30] <mrdigital> !pastebin
[07:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:31] <mrdigital> it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50478
[07:31] <mrdigital> i see it
[07:32] <flaccid> mrdigital: sorry need uname -r
[07:32] <snarkster> !ksystraycmd
[07:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksystraycmd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:32] <mrdigital> flaccid do u see it tho
[07:32] <mrdigital> i have 2 versions installed
[07:32] <snarkster> i have no idea what ksystraycmd
[07:32] <flaccid> yes which will not co-exist
[07:32] <flaccid> snarkster: alltray is easier
[07:33] <flaccid> mrdigital: but one is only runtime config that needs purge, so lets see kernel version
[07:33] <ardchoille> snarkster: ksystraycmd konqueror
[07:34] <flaccid> mrdigital: i also need dpkg -l | grep linux-restricted-
[07:34] <flaccid> i got a command nearly ready to try
[07:34] <mrdigital> lets try it
[07:35] <flaccid> its not ready until i can see those other two command outputs
[07:35] <mrdigital> how about i do a fresh install of kubuntu?
[07:35] <snarkster> how about you?
[07:35] <flaccid> why would you waste time when a solution could be around the corner
[07:35] <flaccid> you would be wasting my time as well
[07:35] <snarkster> :)
[07:35] <mrdigital> can i just try the command
[07:36] <flaccid> no, don't be lazy mrdigital
[07:36] <snarkster> will support for kde3 be dropped when kde4 comes out?
[07:37] <ardchoille> snarkster: Very doubtful that kde3 support would be dropped so soon
[07:37] <flaccid> mrdigital: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx nvidia-flx-new nvidia-kernel-common; sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new nvidia-glx-common
[07:37] <mrdigital> flaccid
[07:37] <mrdigital> uname not known
[07:37] <flaccid> mrdigital: if your restricted module packages are wrong or kernel version don't expect it to work.
[07:37] <mrdigital> uname command not found
[07:37] <snarkster> ardchoille:  this is true.. just wondering
[07:37] <flaccid> mrdigital: weird. try /usr/bin uname -r
[07:37] <flaccid> mrdigital: sounds like you have stuffed up your path or something..
[07:38] <snarkster> hmm check his path
[07:38] <mrdigital> no such file or directoru
[07:38] <flaccid> are you serious
[07:38] <mrdigital> yes
[07:38] <flaccid> mrdigital: what does which uname return?
[07:38] <flaccid> !find uname
[07:38] <mrdigital> linux
[07:38] <ubotu> File uname found in bobot++, coreutils, epic4-help, inn, klibc-utils (and 3 others)
[07:39] <mrdigital> ./bin/uname
[07:39] <mrdigital> ok got it
[07:39] <flaccid> its just /bin/uname -r
[07:39] <flaccid> oops /usr/bin/uname -r
[07:40] <snarkster> my uname works without the need for the path :)
[07:40] <mrdigital> what was the last one
[07:40] <ardchoille> flaccid: "which uname" returns "/bin/uname" on my Gutsy system, fyi
[07:40] <mrdigital> nvidia-risrected?
[07:40] <flaccid> yeah thats how it should be as per $PATH
[07:40] <mrdigital> flaccid: i have /bin/uname
[07:41] <flaccid> oh yeah i do to
[07:41] <flaccid> blonde moment
[07:41] <snarkster> :)
[07:41] <ardchoille> hehe
[07:41] <se7en_> !virtualbox
[07:41] <ubotu> VirtualBox is an x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubunut.com/community/VirtualBox
[07:41] <flaccid> just nee to check the restricted-modules package(s) match the kernel version, it not you might need to reinstall them as well if the advised command does not (but i think it dos via deps)
[07:42] <adamonline45> Oh hi Flaccid, I missed your reply... You helped me get DHCP up on my xubuntu machine night before last... I have a problem where two of my machines keep resetting their IPs even though they're defined as static in /etc/network/interfaces...  It sucks cuz they're my webserver and my Counter-Strike server... Any ideas as to how to stop this?
[07:42] <se7en_> somebody know how to fix this
[07:42] <se7en_> VirtualBox kernel driver cannot be opened.
[07:42] <mrdigital> it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50479
[07:42] <flaccid> adamonline45: yeah as i advised before you don't run dhclient on the server. kill those processes and restart networking. if the /etc/network/intefaces is set to static it will use that and the dhclient wont' be sleeping anymore
[07:43] <flaccid> as in kill dhclient processes on the server then restart networking to get back to static ip
[07:43] <vinayak> i have a doubt
[07:43] <mrdigital> any ideas flaccid?
[07:43] <vinayak> divx doesnt work
[07:43] <vinayak> for me
[07:43]  * flaccid waits for it to load
[07:43] <vinayak> i have installed all the required codecs
[07:44] <snarkster> ok good night
[07:44] <sparr> gnome's nm-applet can connect to my work vpn just fine.  kvpnc says it connects (after i configured the connection in nm-applet), but really just kills my network connectivity.  help?
[07:44] <flaccid> mrdigital: i think thats ok, do the suggest big long command, make sure it doesn't error or i have a synax mistake then when the packages are reinstalled reboot after that and see
[07:44] <vinayak> am able to hear the sound
[07:44] <flaccid> make sure nvidia driver is still selected in xorg.conf as well
[07:44] <mrdigital> do the apt-get command?
[07:44] <vinayak> hey can anyone help with DIVX
[07:45] <flaccid> mrdigital: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx nvidia-flx-new nvidia-kernel-common; sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new nvidia-glx-common
[07:45] <flaccid> !codecs | vinayak
[07:45] <ubotu> vinayak: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:45] <vinayak> at flaccid
[07:45] <vinayak> i have installed all the restricted codecs
[07:45] <adamonline45> flaccid: I don't see a dhclient process; and that's what I do is restart networking (I've done force-reload, too), and it keeps happening.. :(  I checked init.d for any kind of dhclient or dhcp load script, but didn't see any...
[07:45] <vinayak> am pretty decent at linux..
[07:45] <vinayak> but still i dont find video working
[07:46] <vinayak> it worked couple of days back but when i restart , it plays only sound and no video is up
[07:46] <vinayak> any ideas?
[07:46] <vinayak> this has happened couple of times
[07:46] <mrdigital> flaccid: it wont remove em
[07:46] <vinayak> suddenly it works
[07:46] <mrdigital> it says not installed
[07:46] <mrdigital> and why does it wann ainstall
[07:46] <mrdigital> when i did a remove?
[07:46] <vinayak> and after a reboot, it doesnt
[07:46] <adamonline45> flaccid: Er, wait, I did killall dhclient, and got no errors reported, so I guess it's killed... How do I stop it from loading?
[07:47] <flaccid> mrdigital: sudo dpkg --purge nvidia-glx; sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-new nvidia-kernel-common; sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new nvidia-glx-common
[07:47] <adamonline45> flaccid: Er, after a reboot*
[07:47] <mrdigital> oh
[07:47] <mrdigital> lol
[07:47] <mrdigital> ur falt
[07:47] <flaccid> adamonline45: err if you have only set it in static in /etc/network/interfaces it won't load on boot. remember how you manually ran dhclient..
[07:48] <flaccid> mrdigital: well technically no but yeah
[07:48] <adamonline45> flaccid: Oh yeah, I do... Hmm, alright.  I'll see how this goes 8)
[07:48] <flaccid> adamonline45: remember the command dhclient is the dhcp client so it will change your network interface regardless of config
[07:48] <mrdigital> canot find package nvidia-glx-common
[07:49] <flaccid> let me check for feisty mrdigital
[07:49] <flaccid> oh my bad
[07:49] <flaccid> mrdigital: sudo dpkg --purge nvidia-glx; sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-new nvidia-kernel-common; sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new nvidia-kernel-common
[07:49] <flaccid> its too hot here sorry
[07:50] <Arv3n> Hello!
[07:50] <flaccid> mrdigital: just do sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new nvidia-kernel-common if the others were removed
[07:50] <Arv3n> Can anyone help? I get this error when running ./buildset: No convert found in path.
[07:52] <adamonline45> flaccid: Alright.  Well, I'm almost certain I only started dhclient on one of the two; and a 'killall dhclient' on the second machine says no process was killed...  However, its IP 'renews' every day still...  Do you have any thoughts on that?  I'm sorry, I see you're busy; this just sucks tho 8) heheh...
[07:52] <Arv3n> Googling = no help.
[07:52] <mrdigital> flaccid: error installin
[07:52] <mrdigital> holdon'
[07:53] <Arv3n> Anybody?
[07:53] <mrdigital> ok i fixed it now what?
[07:53] <mrdigital> reboot
[07:54] <elf_> can someone please explain to these newbie what is the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?  I have ubuntu studio and Iḿ using KDE, am I using kubuntu then?
[07:54] <flaccid> adamonline45: just keep in mind that people can have access to knetworkmanager and do user network as well. but if you have /etc/network/intefaces set to static and are NOT ever calling dhclient from command line because they are servers, it should not do it!
[07:55] <flaccid> elf_: they have a different desktop environment and default packages. ubuntu is gnome, kubuntu is kde
[07:55] <elf_> how do you change your nick???
[07:56] <elf_> !nickname
[07:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nickname - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:56] <Arv3n> ./nick
[07:56] <adamonline45> flaccid: Alright, I'll give it a reboot and see what happens... thank you, again :)
[07:56] <flaccid> /nick newnick
[07:56] <flaccid> adamonline45: np
[07:56] <elf_> did it work?
[07:56] <flaccid> ill bbs
[07:56] <Arv3n> fuck.
[07:56] <Arv3n> nobody knows this.
[07:56] <mixed> whoa
[07:56] <Arv3n> no wonder linux isnt getting anywhere.
[07:56] <Jucato> !language | Arv3n
[07:56] <ubotu> Arv3n: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[07:56] <Arv3n> sorry, im frustrated.
[07:56] <flaccid> Arv3n: did you google that error yet
[07:56] <Arv3n> all i want to do is install an icon theme.
[07:56] <Arv3n> i get: converting to islam
[07:57] <Arv3n> when i search google
[07:57] <Arv3n> it jsut says convert not found, THATS IT.
[07:57] <LimCore> lol
[07:57] <Jucato> Arv3n: what icon theme would that be?
[07:57] <Arv3n> leopard one.
[07:57] <Arv3n> off kde-look.org
[07:57] <Jucato> link please?
[07:57] <flaccid> hmm sorry not familiar with whatever buildset is, maybe someone is. i'll bbs cia0
[07:57] <Arv3n> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Leopard-Style?content=71732
[07:57] <mixed> flaccid, in that case I have 2 versions of ubunto on my machine then?  im using ubuntu studio with KDE
[07:58] <flaccid> mixed: i don't know what you are talking about sorry.
[07:58] <Jucato> pftt.. silly icon themes requiring scripts to install...
[07:58] <flaccid> Arv3n: do you have build-essential installed
[07:58] <Jucato> !find imagemagick
[07:58] <ubotu> Found: imagemagick, graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat
[07:58] <Arv3n> let me check.
[07:58] <Jucato> flaccid: no need for that
[07:58] <Jucato> Arv3n: install imagemagick
[07:58] <flaccid> sorry my bad
[07:58] <mixed> Arven, what are you trying to do???
[07:58] <flaccid> Jucato: whats buildset?
[07:58] <NickPresta> Arv3n, don't blame linux because a user contributed icon pack is difficult to install. :)
[07:58] <Jucato> (which should install convert)
[07:59] <Arv3n> NickPresta, I sure as hell can.
[07:59] <Jucato> flaccid: it's the icon theme's script to build the icon theme
[07:59] <Arv3n> Linux = community
[07:59] <Arv3n> Without the community, linux is nothing.
[07:59] <Jucato> Arv3n: 1 person != community
[07:59] <Arv3n> the person is in the community though.
[07:59] <mixed> LoL
[07:59] <flaccid> Jucato: how did you know it needs imagemagick?
[07:59] <Arv3n> and im sure hes not the only one doing it. :)
[07:59] <Jucato> flaccid: "convert" is from imagemagick
[07:59] <flaccid> Jucato: the binary?
[07:59] <Daisuke-Ido> yes, and serial killers are in public i'm sure, that doesn't make the entire human race evil.
[07:59] <Arv3n> it dosent matter.
[08:00] <NickPresta> Arv3n, without getting into it in detail, blaming GNU+Linux as a whole because someone didn't put time/effort into making a nice compatible icon pack is fairly ignorant and unfair. =)
[08:00] <flaccid> ah i see cool ok bbs
[08:00] <Arv3n> installing an icon theme should NEVER be thsi difficult.
[08:00] <Daisuke-Ido> your logic is flawed and your point of view is wrong.
[08:00] <adamonline45> oooh lordy...
[08:00] <Jucato> Arv3n: he's not using the conventional, standard, and established way of creating KDE icon themes. in short, he's a delinquint
[08:00] <adamonline45> Arv3n: Why don't you design your own then, and release all your hard work for free?
[08:00] <Arv3n> hm.
[08:00] <flaccid> yeah themes are poorly made, documented and not graceful to install they need to fix it
[08:00] <Jucato> Arv3n: it *is* easy to install an icon theme. *if* they are properly created by the author
[08:00] <Jucato> in this case, it's not properly created nor properly documented
[08:00] <flaccid> yeah they as in the author of the theme sorry
[08:00] <Arv3n> ic.
[08:01] <Jucato> so don't blame the community for one person's fault. don't blame Linux either
[08:01] <Arv3n> well, first of all it was wrong to blame linux, becasue thats the kernel.
[08:01] <Arv3n> but the community is sometimes horrib.
[08:01] <Arv3n> *horrible.
[08:01] <Arv3n> take the word "microshit" for instance.
[08:01] <Jucato> yes, the whole human race is horrible, following your logic
[08:01] <NickPresta> Arv3n, just like any community, it has it's rough patches. :)
[08:01] <Jucato> you shouldn't be in it :)
[08:01] <Arv3n> except 50% of the community uses words like microshit, microshaft, etc..
[08:02] <mixed> I have SuSE 10.3 in my machine and just finished installing ubuntu studio, is it possible to change GRUB so that it uses the one from SuSE(eye candy) instead of the one from ubuntu studio?
[08:02] <Arv3n> maybe im just looking at the wrong forums.
[08:02] <NickPresta> Arv3n, for one, very few people speak like that. The majority of the GNU+Linux community doesn't even discuss Microsoft, let alone put the time or effort into mocking it.
[08:02] <Jucato> and the other 50% of the community loves to make statistical summaries with no concrete data :)
[08:02] <Arv3n> NickPresta, thats not what im reading on ubuntuforums.org =)
[08:03] <mixed> !forums
[08:03] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums.
[08:03] <Arv3n> and.. no.
[08:03] <Arv3n> installing build-essentails didnt work.
[08:03] <Jucato> Arv3n: I did say you don't need that
[08:03] <Arv3n> my bad.
[08:03] <Jucato> and I did say to install imagemagick
[08:03] <Arv3n> what do i need, then?
[08:03] <noaXess> hi all. and happy new year..
[08:03] <Arv3n> ..o_O
[08:03] <NickPresta> Arv3n, how many of those people are newbies? Experienced users have come to learn that Microsoft can do what ever it is they do. We know we're better and we like ourselves more ;)
[08:03] <NickPresta> noaXess, hey
[08:04] <Arv3n> NickPrests, a good bit of the ubuntu community = not experienced users.
[08:04] <Jucato> ok veering offtopic, let's drop the subject before it gets heated
[08:04] <noaXess> !scanner
[08:04] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the GIMP (GNOME), Kooka (KDE). For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners - See also !OCR
[08:04] <NickPresta> Jucato, agreed
[08:04] <Jucato> that's a warning to all (including me)
[08:05] <kraut> moin
[08:05] <Arv3n> got it.
[08:05] <Arv3n> thanks.
[08:05] <Jucato> flaccid: oh, about how I said imagemagick installed convert? from memory I guess...
[08:05] <Jucato> reflex reaction the moment I saw "convert not found" :)
[08:07] <yao_ziyuan> is there a way to set a running application's handler not on the taskbar but on the tray area or just hidden?
[08:07] <mrdigital> should i use envy?
[08:07] <Daisuke-Ido> no.
[08:07] <Jucato> !envy | mrdigital
[08:07] <ubotu> mrdigital: envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[08:07] <Daisuke-Ido> !envy | mrdigital
[08:07] <yao_ziyuan> my VMware Toolbox always occupies some space on the Taskbar
[08:08] <yao_ziyuan> or maybe i can run it as a background service?
[08:09] <Jucato> yao_ziyuan: you can make it skip the taskbar (not shown on the taskbar). but not sure on the "put on the system tray" part
[08:09] <mrdigital> when kde loads am i supposed to see the nvidia logo/
[08:09] <yao_ziyuan> Jucato: how to skip?
[08:10] <Jucato> right-click on the window title (or press Alt+F3), then select Advanced -> Special Window Settings -> Preferences tab -> Skip taksbar
[08:10] <Jucato> mrdigital: *before* KDE (or the login manager) loads up
[08:10] <mrdigital> is that a good sign tho?
[08:10] <Jucato> yep
[08:10] <yao_ziyuan> wow man
[08:10] <mrdigital> ?
[08:10] <yao_ziyuan> linux is omnipotent...
[08:11] <flaccid> coolio Jucato, it not great that they chose an ambiguous binary filename like 'conver't
[08:12] <Jucato> flaccid: it's not the only binary filename imagemagick installs :)
[08:12] <Jucato> animate, compare, composite, conjure, convert, display, identify, import, mogrify, montage, stream
[08:12] <flaccid> oh all generic, thats a namespace hog!
[08:13] <Jucato> although imagemagick is probably too used to have others use conflicting binaries...
[08:14] <flaccid> i guess so yeah
[08:14] <Jucato> oh well )
[08:14] <Jucato> :)
[08:14]  * Jucato creates a program which installs a binary named "sh" :D
[08:16] <flaccid> lol
[08:17] <yao_ziyuan> Jucato: doesn't work...
[08:17] <yao_ziyuan> Jucato: the taskbar button isn't hidden
[08:17] <yao_ziyuan> Jucato: which value should i select?
[08:18] <Jucato> yao_ziyuan: check the [ ] Skip taskbar opition and select "Force"
[08:18] <yao_ziyuan> i tried
[08:18] <yao_ziyuan>  still there
[08:18] <Jucato> hm. weird...
[08:18] <yao_ziyuan> vmware-toolbox-old is a x program
[08:19] <Jucato> yeah, but it still uses KDE's window manager :)
[08:19] <Jucato> so it should follow. don't know why it won't. maybe restarting vmware-toolbox will make it work?
[08:20] <yao_ziyuan> i tried
[08:21] <yao_ziyuan> Jucato: i tried with another window, Konsole, also doesn't work
[08:21] <Jucato> really weird then...
[08:22] <yao_ziyuan> Jucato: maybe a system restart is needed?
[08:22] <Jucato> wait...
[08:23] <Jucato> hmm... maybe... just a KDE restart...
[08:23] <Jucato> oh wait
[08:23] <Jucato> haha stupid me
[08:23] <Jucato> yao_ziyuan: wait don't restart
[08:24] <Jucato> yao_ziyuan: once you enable Skip taskbar, and set it to Force, there's another checkbox beside the drop down list to the right
[08:24] <Jucato> you should enable/check that too
[08:24] <yao_ziyuan> ah...
[08:25] <yao_ziyuan> a second confirmation?
[08:25] <Jucato> yao_ziyuan: it should look like this: [  ] Skip taskbar  [ Force   v]   [  ]
[08:25] <Jucato> check both checkboxes
[08:27] <yao_ziyuan> ok, now i force skip taskbar and force minimize
[08:27] <yao_ziyuan> and i can't find the window now...
[08:27] <yao_ziyuan> how do i find it back...
[08:27] <Jucato> Alt+Tab?
[08:27] <yao_ziyuan> no use
[08:28] <Jucato> not sure if force minimize + skip taskbar was a wise move...
[08:29] <yao_ziyuan> haha
[08:29] <yao_ziyuan> maybe kwin has an argument
[08:29] <yao_ziyuan> maybe just close kwin
[08:29] <Jucato> K Menu -> System Settings -> look for Window-Specific Settings (can't recall where it is), then Modify the Window settings for ________
[08:30] <Jucato> I think window-specific settings is under Window Behavior or Desktop... not sure
[08:30] <yao_ziyuan> right
[08:30] <stacey> i was trying to free up space and emptied /root/ but now i have problems wth kdesudo, how do i fix this?
[08:30] <yao_ziyuan> it's in every window's titlbar menu
[08:31] <yao_ziyuan> allmighty linux...
[08:41] <mrdigital> ok im running on NV is that good?
[08:41] <yao_ziyuan> when i type "sudo apt-get install alien",
[08:42] <yao_ziyuan> Kubuntu requires me to insert the Kubuntu CD (in my case, it's really the ISO file applied in VMware)
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[08:42] <yao_ziyuan> so it seems Kubuntu didn't install all things from the CD (ISO file) to my virtual machine
[08:42]  * ActionParsnip waves
[08:42] <yao_ziyuan> how do i install all the missing things?
[08:42] <neville> try removing the CD from your sources list, and enabling the others?
[08:43] <stdin> yao_ziyuan: you don't want all the missing things, just remove the cd line
[08:43] <yao_ziyuan> from adept-manager?
[08:43] <ActionParsnip> yao_ziyuan, what are you missing?
[08:43] <ardchoille> yao_ziyuan: open a terminal and run: sudo sed -i.backup 's/deb cdrom/#deb cdrom/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:43] <yao_ziyuan> i don't miss anything
[08:43] <ardchoille> yao_ziyuan: Then: sudp apt-get update
[08:43] <yao_ziyuan> just installing alien requires inserting the cd
[08:43] <ActionParsnip> lo ardchoille
[08:43] <stdin> *sudo
[08:44] <ActionParsnip> lo stdin
[08:44] <stdin> \o
[08:45] <ardchoille> hi ActionParsnip
[08:45] <ActionParsnip> is there any way i can make suggestions to the kubuntu project?
[08:46] <stdin> you can suggest all you want ;)
[08:46] <ardchoille> ActionParsnip: You can try asking in #kubuntu-devel
[08:46] <stdin> best to file a "wishlist" bug too
[08:46] <ardchoille> True
[08:46] <mrdigital> ok so im running nv now what?
[08:47] <ActionParsnip> stdin, where is this mystical wishlist?
[08:48] <stdin> ActionParsnip: it's just a normal bug, you just say it's a wish and someone with LP-foo will mart it as such
[08:49] <stdin> assign it against kubuntu-desktop if you want (and if it's kubuntu specific)
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> stdin, done. suggested option of usb installation at install time so users dont have to do all of this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-5151.html
[08:56] <noaXess> does anybody has the same problem that if you run any application, it will be oppened twice?
[08:56] <ActionParsnip> stdin, would be sweet B)
[08:56] <noaXess> the second one will never come up and will close automaticaly after few seconds..
[08:56] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, how are you executing the application?
[08:56] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: over kde's quicklauncher
[08:57] <llutz> noaXess: by double-click?
[08:57] <noaXess> on bottom right of my mouse point will jumping the app icon this few secconds..
[08:57] <noaXess> llutz: now.. single click
[08:57]  * ActionParsnip thinks llutz is onto something
[08:57] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: yeah :)
[08:57] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, try running it from console :)
[08:58] <se7en> does anybody know what in the kubuntu install happens while the configuration apt (scanning the mirrow) because that takes at least 30 min more than the whole install
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, put a & after thecommand too :)
[08:58] <llutz> i've seen so many guys doing even stranger things ...
[08:58] <yao_ziyuan> kde4 scheduled for january, and when is the next stable release of kubuntu?
[08:58] <ardchoille> yao_ziyuan: Sometime in April
[08:58] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: it's a solution but not for me now :)
[08:59] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, i just wanna know if that runs it twice too
[09:00] <yao_ziyuan> is it recommended to install kde4 rc2 packages on 7.10 now?
[09:00] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: aha.. no that runs not twice.. it's only if i run a app from quicklauncher or kmenu
[09:00] <tuxick> is kubuntu/kdm supposed to be able to handle ldap authentication or is it still unfinished like on debian?
[09:01] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, ok thats more info than we had earlier :)
[09:01] <yao_ziyuan> now that i'm backed up by vmware's snapshot feature,
[09:01] <yao_ziyuan> i can try anything radical now...
[09:01] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: jep
[09:01] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, try navigating the menu with your cursor keys and use enter to execute the app
[09:05] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: the same happens if i open the app with enter key..
[09:05] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, ok all good info
[09:05]  * ActionParsnip scratches his head
[09:07] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, does it happen if you open a file?
[09:10] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, go to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=369877 and try the bottom post to change your system to double click
[09:10] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, should make things friendlier
[09:11] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: if i create a desktop link and open this it will open only once..
[09:12] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, ok cool. Give the double click thing a whirl.
[09:13] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: the setting is on double click :)
[09:14] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, try single click then :)
[09:18] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: it happends the same.. on mouse setting = double click or single click
[09:18] <misslissa> what command to I execute to check the version of java
[09:18] <noaXess> other prob
[09:18] <pag> misslissa, java -version
[09:18] <noaXess> have installed a brother scanner driver.. it worked if i run kooka with sudo koka..
[09:19] <misslissa> thank you very much
[09:19] <misslissa> that was a simple enough command
[09:20] <noaXess> i think, cause kooka needs root acces to get the scanner device on usb..
[09:22] <se7en> !silky
[09:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about silky - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:23] <Jucato> misslissa: did you figure out what java version you're using?
[09:24] <Jucato> misslissa: if you are on Kubuntu Gutsy (7.10), I suggest you install the Kubuntu Restricted Extras package to be able to bring in (almost) all the multimedia codecs and plugins you need (MP3, Flash, and java)
[09:26] <noaXess> i'm in the scanner group but can't scan anithing as logged in user.. need to sudo kooka to scan anything.
[09:29] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, let me check
[09:31] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, Go to System--> Administration --> Users and Groups
[09:31] <ActionParsnip> Find your user name and edit properties so that you have access to scanners.
[09:31] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: as i write above.. i'm in the scanner group :)
[09:32] <noaXess> and have relogged in..
[09:32] <noaXess> in kde only.. need a make a restart?
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, cant hurt
[09:32] <noaXess> ??
[09:33] <noaXess> okay...
[09:33] <noaXess> see ya..
[09:36] <jon45454> can anyone give me a hand with a sound problem on my laptop since a recent aptitude package upgrade?
[09:39] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: doenst work :( can't access my scanner with normal user.. i thin i read the sane instruction on permissions.. have anything found on their webpage..
[09:39] <noaXess> or run kooka with kdesu..
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, are you a member of the disk group?
[09:43] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: no
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, join it
[09:44] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: only logout from kde should work, or not?
[09:44] <posingaspopular> hi i have a problem turning kubuntu off
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, yeah log off and on
[09:44] <posingaspopular> can't seem to ever leave my computer
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> posingaspopular, what happens when you leave it?
[09:44] <noaXess> oke.. until later :)
[09:44] <Jucato> he faints :)
[09:44] <posingaspopular> ActionParsnip: the world explodes ;p
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> posingaspopular, hehe
[09:45] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: won't work :(
[09:46]  * Jucato remotely turns off posingaspopular's machine
[09:46] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: ok.. i run it with sudo kooka.. then it work
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, does it run ok with normal user access?
[09:47] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: no it won't it can't see the scanner if i run kooka ore xsane with normal user right.. i need to run it with sudo.. think the permission to the usb device is the problem
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, ive googled this some and it seems to be fairly commn place :(
[09:57]  * flaccid drinks xxxx
[09:57] <poison_> morning guys
[09:58] <flaccid> evening
[09:58] <flaccid> i must be in the future or something
[09:59] <posingaspopular> haha. /me lol'ed
[10:00] <flaccid> 88 miles per hour!
[10:01] <fildo> flux copassitor
[10:01] <flaccid> lol
[10:01] <flaccid> capacitor :p
[10:01] <flaccid> oh thats the french model sorry
[10:02] <fildo> thats the way u spell it
[10:02] <fildo> :)
[10:04] <noaXess> !find scanimage
[10:04] <ubotu> File scanimage found in sane, sane-utils
[10:11] <flaccid> i should get g'd up on the next ubuntu, whats it called again skanky or something?
[10:12] <flaccid> !ubuntu+1
[10:12] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[10:12] <flaccid> hardy heroin?
[10:12] <noaXess> !mouse
[10:12] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[10:13] <stdin> flaccid: why?
[10:13] <fildo> !skanky
[10:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about skanky - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:13] <stdin> don't abuse the bot
[10:13] <flaccid> stdin: not too far away i guess, see what they are going to do in that
[10:16] <tuxick> i ran dpkg-reconfigure ldap-auth-config and now the system won't boot anymore :)
[10:16] <flaccid> ouch
[10:17] <tuxick> hangs on starting kernel logger
[10:17] <flaccid> do you get tty access at all?
[10:17]  * tuxick never trusted debconf
[10:17] <tuxick> well, if i try alt-f2 i get a prompt but it's not responding
[10:17] <tuxick> i can type username and nothing happens
[10:18] <llutz> tuxick: boot with "init=/bin/sh" and try to repair
[10:18] <tuxick> llutz: that's what i'm doing now
[10:18] <flaccid> or single user mode
[10:18] <tuxick> but no idea what to repair
[10:18] <flaccid> yeah me neither
[10:19] <flaccid> i want indy indigo lol
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> hi all
[10:19] <tuxick> i remember adding ldap auth to debian, that's when i learned debconf needs some serious work
[10:20] <flaccid> i rarely use debconf i guess
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> tuxick, http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_Configure_Ubuntu_for_Active_Directory_Authentication
[10:22] <flaccid> assuming thats the goal with ldap, ActionParsnip
[10:23]  * ActionParsnip is tired
[10:23] <flaccid> i wish i was tired
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, why?
[10:23] <flaccid> so i could sleep
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, booze helps :)
[10:24] <noaXess> can i see the "Print to file (PDF)" printer only in kde apps?
[10:24] <flaccid> thats what im doing and i have sleeping pills too just no green dang!
[10:24] <flaccid> noaXess: iirc yes thats right
[10:25] <noaXess> flaccid: and how to enable pdf writing for other apps? like mozilla firefox/thunderbird?
[10:25] <flaccid> noaXess: they need to support it. firefox and thunderbird are gtk/gnome apps
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, you can create a pdf printer :)
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=140815
[10:26] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: or use cups-pdf :)
[10:26] <noaXess> have found it now
[10:27] <Jucato> I think you can have firefox/thunderbird use an external printer program, and set it to use "kprinter"
[10:27] <flaccid> thats pretty cool i must say
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, try doing loads of physical exercise
[10:27] <flaccid> ActionParsnip: yep did that before. walked to the bottleshop :p
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, and mentally challenging stuff
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, like really exert your entire body so it needs to rest
[10:28] <flaccid> i need aunty val really
[10:28] <flaccid> yeah it doesn't rest the mind thats all
[10:28] <flaccid> bbs
[10:30] <noaXess> !cups-pdf
[10:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cups-pdf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> !cupspdf
[10:30] <ubotu> Details on setting up "Print to PDF" are at http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/03/23/print-to-pdf-using-cups-pdf/
[10:54] <tuxick> bleh, still hangs on "starting kernel log daemon"
[10:54] <tuxick> a bit odd
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> tuxick, what does?
[10:59] <tuxick> ActionParsnip: booting
[10:59] <tuxick> login is also broken
[10:59] <tuxick> simply times out
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> tuxick, you tried disabling acpi?
[11:00] <flaccid> hmm interesting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/RestrictedManagerRewrite
[11:00] <tuxick> ActionParsnip: it blew up after running dpkg-reconfigure :)
[11:00] <flaccid> tuxick: well X may not be starting, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:00] <tuxick> nono, it doesn't even get that far
[11:01] <flaccid> unless you get locked out of tty
[11:01] <flaccid> ah well, you need a sysadmin to be in front of the system, its a bit hard to help with that kind of problem unless some expert/guru is available ?
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> tuxick, try editing your grub.conf to disable acpi (or do you not get the bootloader?)
[11:02] <tuxick> ActionParsnip: but how can adding ldap support make acpi fall apart?
[11:03] <tuxick> i'll give it a shot but really don't think that's the problem
[11:03] <tuxick> nsswitch is 'files ldap' so there goes that suspicion
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> tuxick, not sure. you could boot to command line and uninstall ldap stuff
[11:04] <tuxick> somehow i bet debconf is far from capable :)
[11:04] <tuxick> but my next suspicion is /etc/pam.d/common* indeed
[11:05] <flaccid> tuxick: your problem could be no dns in the nsswitch for resolution external..
[11:05] <flaccid> thats a long shot but i guess
[11:05] <tuxick> for starting kernel logging?
[11:06] <yao_ziyuan> kde is as pretty and as fragile as glass...
[11:06] <yao_ziyuan> the featured screenshot of kde4 is... a scattered window meaning the program crashed...
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> yao_ziyuan, thats a window effect
[11:08] <Dragonath> is there a way to mount a remote folder so you don't have to edit files on it in vim but can use kate or something instead?
[11:09] <jussi01> Dragonath: use the tool in remote places
[11:09] <Dragonath> ok
[11:09] <Dragonath> thanks
[11:09] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: URL please
[11:09] <flaccid> Dragonath: you can use kate without mounting it
[11:10] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: i saw it from kbuntu's "kde4 rc2" news
[11:12] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: whats the URL for teh screenshot, there is none on that page
[11:14] <yao_ziyuan> i'm wrong
[11:14] <yao_ziyuan> i started with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4
[11:15] <flaccid> thought so
[11:15] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: http://www.google.com/images?q=KDE+4&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS217US217
[11:16] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: you can see a broken window result on this page
[11:16] <flaccid> i mean considering its not production yet, it doesn't matter what it does
[11:16] <flaccid> thanks
[11:16] <flaccid> lol which image
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> http://fbsd.za.net/other/uploads/uploads/kde4.jpg
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> looks pretty cool though
[11:17] <yao_ziyuan> http://vladoboss.spiki.be/mg2/pictures/xegldappcrash5nb0mr.jpg
[11:17] <yao_ziyuan> the same picture
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> well if my apps crash i'm glad they look nice :D
[11:18] <flaccid> ah yeah. im not sure if there is a point to any of this but ok
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> its a laugh
[11:19] <flaccid> oh
[11:20] <flaccid> well i never laugh at beta software, its expected to have bugs in it heh
[11:20] <tuxick> if i'd laugh at buggy software i'd be laughing 12 hours a day
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> i do when it does weird stuff
[11:20] <tuxick> if not more
[11:22] <flaccid> yeah id be laughing all day because of this chan on the bugs..
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> beta is funny sometimes. Counterstike 1.1 beta was funny if you had an old halflife install. the characters flew doing the splits and to get a headshot you had to shoot them in the nuts
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> funniest bug i ever saw
[11:25] <tuxick> how come i don't see eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces?
[11:25] <tuxick> some secret kde tool taking care of this instead?
[11:25] <flaccid> tuxick: yes knetworkmanager does user networking
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> tuxick, what do you get in ifconfig
[11:26] <tuxick> just lo of course :)
[11:26] <tuxick> ifup eth0 told me to bugger off
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> tuxick, that will show you all your network devices and their names
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> tuxick, you could do a paste too
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> !paste | tuxick
[11:26] <ubotu> tuxick: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:27] <tuxick> uhm, i've been using linux for 10 years or so, i know ifconfig :)
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> tuxick, so what devices do you have listed?
[11:27] <tuxick> lo
[11:27] <flaccid> implementation is different with networkmanager etc.
[11:28] <flaccid> in interfaces usually only localhost is listed..
[11:28] <tuxick> but that's logical if kde takes care of rest
[11:28] <flaccid>  yeah
[11:33] <tuxick> anyway, brought up eth0 but the nss/ldap stuff not working just yet
[11:33] <tuxick> i think the /etc/pam.d.common* files are too conservative
[11:34] <tuxick> or simply broken ;p
[11:35] <flaccid> ldap is probably out of scope of a lot of helpers
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> i have a mate who would say "i know exactly whats wrong. its knackered"
[11:36] <flaccid> generalisations don't help anyone unfortunately, it would be good if they did some magi
[11:36] <flaccid> c
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> SHAZAM!
[11:36] <flaccid> i prefer wam bam, thankyou mam
[11:37] <flaccid> now stop me drinking before i get way too off-topic
[11:37] <Tm_T> flaccid: nah, I just remove you
[11:38] <flaccid> remove me from what sorry, reality ?
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, into the matrix
[11:38] <Tm_T> aye
[11:38] <flaccid> ah shaboom!
[11:39] <tuxick> flaccid: it's almost as nonexisting on debian as well
[11:39] <fildo> shee what happens when u code tomuch
[11:39] <fildo> u end up flaccid
[11:39] <tuxick> only RH and suse seem to bother
[11:39] <fildo> code moonkey!
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> !coffee
[11:39] <ubotu> coffee is a caffeinated beverage made by filtering water through ground up roasted beans of the coffee plant. Flavouring to taste such as milk or cream, sugar or sweetener are often added afterwards. Not to be confused with !java
[11:39] <fildo> lol
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> hmmm
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> !beer
[11:40] <fildo> !burbon
[11:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about burbon - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> !bourbon
[11:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bourbon - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> !anything
[11:40] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> ok
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> i'll stop now
[11:40] <flaccid> haha
[11:43] <fildo> lol
[11:43] <jussi01> !botabuse
[11:43] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> !happiness
[11:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about happiness - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:44] <jussi01> ActionParsnip: thats enough ;)
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> k
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> :)
[11:45] <posingaspopular> 19 days to kde4
[11:46] <fildo> awesome
[11:46] <MaTiAz> yeah, awesome
[11:46] <Lynoure> I'd do coundown to 4.1 if I knew a date for it :)
[11:46] <fildo> lol
[11:47] <posingaspopular> thats a bit... far reaching don't you think Lynoure
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> is there a desktop app for countdowns?
[11:47] <Lynoure> posingaspopular: no... as kde4 probably only becomes nice around then.
[11:47]  * jussi01 points to #kubuntu-offtopic ...
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> is that for me jussi01?
[11:48] <posingaspopular> for everyone i think
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> theres a countdown for superkaramba
[11:50] <tuxick> hm, thinks got stranger
[11:50] <tuxick> when booting 'rescue' mode /etc/init.d/klogd start works just fine
[12:01] <tuxick> ok, nsswitch is part of the problem
[12:02] <flaccid> tuxick: yes it does not help if you removed dns from the list!
[12:02] <tuxick> flaccid: i didn't even consider that :)
[12:03] <tuxick> i changed the passwd, group and shadow lines back to compat and now system starts up fine
[12:03] <tuxick> which doesn't make sense
[12:03] <tuxick> "files ldap" should work just fine
[12:03] <tuxick> even with a broken ldap
[12:04] <noaXess> is it possible to set ARK to compress default as ZIP?
[12:04] <noaXess> if i use the function in konquerror or dolphin to compress a folder
[12:05] <posingaspopular> i dont think so noaXess
[12:05] <flaccid> tuxick: ah so user problem, being you :)
[12:06] <tuxick> flaccid: how so?
[12:06] <flaccid> you removed dns from nsswitch ?
[12:06] <tuxick> no i didn't
[12:06] <noaXess> how to change the defalt file manager from dolphin to konqueror?
[12:07] <tuxick> i had auth-client-config update nsswitch and /etc/pam.d
[12:07] <tuxick> can't blame me for this half broken stuff
[12:07] <flaccid> tuxick: [22:03] <tuxick> nsswitch is 'files ldap' so there goes that suspicion
[12:07] <flaccid> i don't see dns in there
[12:07] <tuxick> 'dns' is not in password, group and shadow lines
[12:07] <tuxick> never
[12:08] <flaccid> debconf changed nsswitch ?
[12:08] <tuxick> no, debconf is too stupid
[12:08] <tuxick> auth-client-config did this
[12:08] <flaccid> im talking about hosts in nsswitch
[12:08] <flaccid> eg i use: hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
[12:08] <tuxick> that wasn't changed, and it isn't the problem
[12:08] <flaccid> what is the problem then
[12:09] <tuxick> the password, shadow and group lines
[12:09] <tuxick> "files dns" is what SHOULD work
[12:09] <flaccid> that should be set to compat
[12:09] <tuxick> sorry
[12:09] <tuxick> "files ldap"
[12:09] <flaccid> ah you're the sysadmin heh
[12:10] <tuxick> auth-client-config is quite clear about this
[12:10] <tuxick> it's also what i did on systems before
[12:10] <tuxick> in another 5 years debian and derivates will catch up
[12:11] <flaccid> if you say so tuxick
[12:12] <tuxick> well i hope so
[12:16] <tuxick> tbh i didn't expect the ldap support to be this bad
[12:17] <flaccid> we havnt pinpointed the actual problem yet, you are just assuming
[12:17] <tuxick> no
[12:17] <flaccid> have you got a proof of concept
[12:17] <tuxick> "files ldap" doesn't work
[12:17] <tuxick> "compat" does
[12:17] <flaccid> which concludes what
[12:17] <tuxick> this shows auth-client-config is wrong
[12:18] <flaccid> and you can prove that debonf does this?
[12:18] <tuxick> debconf is far from capable
[12:18] <flaccid> plus because "files ldap" doesn't work, doesn't mean its wrong, something else could be the problem..
[12:18] <tuxick> debconf only configured /etc/ldap.conf
[12:18] <flaccid> thats just a generalisation
[12:18] <flaccid> thats good yeah
[12:18] <flaccid> so it didn't touch nsswitch.conf at all then..
[12:18] <tuxick> "files ldap" means it should first check files and then ldap
[12:19] <tuxick> that's the whole problem indeed
[12:19] <tuxick> debconf couldn't even configure pam
[12:19] <flaccid> you contradict yourself in this respect
[12:19] <flaccid> well you need to know what debonf is meant to configure in this respect to begin with
[12:19] <flaccid> !bugs | tuxick
[12:19] <ubotu> tuxick: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[12:20] <flaccid> submit a bug then and save the community 5 years
[12:20] <tuxick> i ran into this on debian already, had a look at the debconf stuff and decided i don't have time to fix all that
[12:20] <tuxick> debconf in general needs fixing
[12:21] <tuxick> it's a thin wrapper expecting maintainers to write 'a script'
[12:21] <Lynoure> Sounds good.
[12:22] <tuxick> yeah, most maintainers copy an existing one and do some search/replace
[12:23] <tuxick> ok, "compat ldap" also breaks starting klogd
[12:23] <flaccid> tuxick: if you are so confident on that, submit a bug to fix it
[12:23] <tuxick> flaccid: it means rewriting debconf system
[12:23] <tuxick> not just a pam-ldap
[12:23] <Lynoure> tuxick: feel free to do that, then submit the new one.
[12:24] <flaccid> tuxick: if you say so
[12:24] <dognews> hi
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> hi dog
[12:29] <tuxick> Lynoure: this would be quite a task, since it would mean being backward compat as well
[12:29] <flaccid> um i don't see the actual problem here
[12:29] <flaccid> or POC
[12:29] <flaccid> ah well
[12:29] <tuxick> POC?
[12:30] <flaccid> proof of concept
[12:30] <tuxick> ooh
[12:30] <tuxick> thought maybe someone already did something ;p
[12:30] <tuxick> it means providing a proper system for updating config files
[12:31] <tuxick> like cfengine
[12:31] <flaccid> another generalisation
[12:31] <flaccid> you need to specifically say the problem and what the solution is, not 'replace it with something else' to fix 'something'
[12:32] <dario> kubuntu italia?
[12:32] <Jucato> !it | dario
[12:32] <ubotu> dario: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:33] <tuxick> well the problem here is that no debain based systems i've seen are able to provide working ldap authentication out of the box
[12:33] <dognews> I'm trying to get a siemens wireless lan usb-stick working on a newly setup kubuntu 7.10 machine, but it doesn't work properly, as he cannot connect to my wireless network. When I try to connect to my access point - which knetwork manager offers to me - he correctly asks me for my WEP key (yeah, I know, it's not safe at all, but I have no other choice at the moment) but then during ip-configuration, it suddenly stops and asks for my pw again
[12:33] <dognews> the thing is, that with my old machine, the same stick did work without any problems
[12:35] <dognews> I was thinking about some packages missing, as when I installed the new machine, I didn't have any netowrk devices in the computer - then after installing, I added a network card and now try to get my stick working. So I speculate that kubuntu just didn't install all the wireless stuff
[12:36] <dognews> any suggestions for solving this problem?
[12:36] <flaccid> tuxick: yeah big scope for ldap which is not something a script can do, but i agree that debonf and debian really lack in this respect
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> dognews, what do you get from lsmod | grep usb
[12:38] <sebastian^> good morning folks and happy new year for the 423589723598nd time :)
[12:38] <Lynoure> tuxick: Which distros provide working ldap authentication out of the box
[12:38] <Lynoure> ?
[12:38] <tuxick> redhat
[12:38] <tuxick> and suse, i think
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> yeah id say redhat too
[12:39] <tuxick> i've made it work on debian and slackware as well
[12:39] <tuxick> password: files ldap is really supposed to work
[12:39] <tuxick> passwd: sorry
[12:41] <flaccid> tuxick: hmm maybe you should try some ldap support because i dont think anyone here can help you on ldap
[12:42] <Lynoure> He does not sound like he wanted help... just change.
[12:43] <tuxick> flaccid: yeah, it looks like there hasn't been done much work on it on *ubuntu so far
[12:43] <tuxick> i'll figure it out, taking notes as i go anyway
[12:45] <dognews> ActionParsnip: usbhid 29536 0 \n hid 28928 1 usbhid \n usbcore 138632 4 usbhid,zd1211rw,uhci_hcd
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> dognews, ok so its detected the zd1211rw :)
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> dognews, do you have the firmware for the zd1211rw?
[12:47] <dognews> ActionParsnip: yeah, otherwiese it would seem a bit strange, that I can see my wireless accesspoint in knetworkmanager
[12:48] <dognews> ActionParsnip: no, but it worked out of the box with my old kubuntu 7.10 machine
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> dognews, weird. you could manually set it up in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:52] <enry> hi
[12:53] <TheFuzzball> does anyone know how well Kubunt would use a Quad-Core?
[12:53] <TheFuzzball> Kubuntu*
[12:53] <flaccid> you don't want to set it up in /etc/network/interfaces particularly if its wireless
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> TheFuzzball, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lcv_l7Y73o&feature=related
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, its how i did mine :)
[12:54] <dognews> flaccid ActionParsnip: there is another method to setting up my wireless by hand with getting nice error reports?
[12:55] <flaccid> ActionParsnip: thats cool if you don't use wpa but if you secure it then yeah...
[12:55] <flaccid> knetworkmangager is set for user network and the only thing required in interfaces is localhost.
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, ive got wep, hidden ssid and mac filtering so i'm ok
[12:57] <flaccid> ActionParsnip: true, thats not too bad
[12:57] <TheFuzzball> ActionParsnip: interesting but I think a lot of that video has to do with the Graphics Card too
[12:57] <flaccid> even though wep is like dead now and crackbalbe
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, well you gotta guess my SSID first :D
[12:58] <flaccid> ok is it PARSNIP ?
[12:59] <flaccid> i want some parnsip soup!
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> its not even a word
[12:59] <flaccid> oh , is it )&(&&(*
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> something like that yes
[12:59] <flaccid> oh
[12:59] <flaccid> why don't you upgrade the wireless router to use wpa ?
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> it is a wireless linksys router
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> wep is fine for me
[13:00] <posingaspopular> offtopic guys. but i look down on wep and embrace wpa2 myself
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> does the job for me :)
[13:01] <flaccid> wep is crackable and deprecated by wpa..
[13:01] <flaccid> well security is important to kubuntu users im sure so its quite on topic
[13:01] <flaccid> yes wpa2 and my linksys does it
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> true enough but even then the ssid is hidden, is non english and i'm mac filtering. also, only my laptop is allowed to configure the router
[13:02] <llutz> ActionParsnip: run kismet for 5 minutes and you'll see your "hidden" ssid
[13:02] <llutz> ActionParsnip: MACs are easily spoofed
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> its still a lot of work
[13:02] <flaccid> they can still get in hehe, there is stuff on this on thet net
[13:03] <flaccid> its less work than you think but
[13:03] <llutz> ActionParsnip: WEP... lol, als flaccid said. it takes shorter than a cigarette to break into your wlan :)
[13:03] <flaccid> wep can be cracked in less than 10secs
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> i dont think the average joe is to bothered
[13:03]  * ScorpKing greets everyone..
[13:03] <jussi01> and we are way offtopic again...
[13:03] <flaccid> the average joe has programs or scripts to do it for them, they don't nee to bother
[13:03] <flaccid> jussi01: securing your kubuntu is important
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> well i'm happy with it
[13:03] <llutz> jussi01: that affects *buntu users too
[13:03] <posingaspopular> the average joe isn't trying to break into ActionParsnip's lan
[13:04] <posingaspopular> but this isnt a networking chan
[13:04] <llutz> posingaspopular: after having read this, they will! :)
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> if i scan for wireless i get 8 lans so i'd say everyone has a connection
[13:04] <flaccid> posingaspopular: networking relates entirely. many people are breaking wep no problem, you can't assume, you know nothing about his WLAN
[13:05] <flaccid> anyone that runs wep still is asking for it basically..
[13:05] <flaccid> even with mac filtering and hidden ssid
[13:05] <llutz> it's important to show people how pointless hidden Essids, MAC-filtering and WEP is
[13:05] <ActionParsnip> im ok with it. i'm not that paranoid
[13:05] <ActionParsnip> im not saying its invincible or good but its ok and better than nothing
[13:06] <flaccid> thats what the last person said before they got hacked..
[13:06] <jussi01> Guys, I know you think it relates, but this is for support questions. If you are answering or asking a question, great, please take other discussion into #kubuntu-offtopic
[13:06] <fritz_> good morning
[13:07] <flaccid> networking is a part of support yes
[13:07] <flaccid> networking comes with ubuntu
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, whats to hack. I casually browse the web and listen to music
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> hack me all you want
[13:07] <flaccid> ActionParsnip: thats not the point.
[13:07] <fritz_> how do I install new fonts in 7.10?
[13:07] <jussi01> !fonts | flaccid
[13:07] <ubotu> flaccid: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[13:07] <jussi01> !fonts | fritz_
[13:07] <ubotu> fritz_: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> its my point though. I'm not massively defended as i have nothing to lose
[13:08] <flaccid> ActionParsnip: its a stupid position to take.
[13:08] <fritz_> great thanks
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> why?
[13:08] <flaccid> "i don't mind being jibbed"
[13:08] <ardchoille> !ot
[13:08] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> pretty much
[13:08] <flaccid> hahah
[13:08] <flaccid> you may not like it if it occurs
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> why what would i lose
[13:09] <flaccid> i don't know, i can't predict the future
[13:09] <flaccid> i also don't know about your LAN..
[13:10] <flaccid> most people don't ask to be violated, but try to avoid it
[13:10] <ardchoille> This discussion is ot, please take it to another channel. Last warning.
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> ok i'm done
[13:10] <flaccid> ardchoille: kubuntu does not use networking or wireless?
[13:10] <flaccid> it did last time i checked
[13:10] <jussi01> flaccid: thats not the point.
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, dude its done we both know what each other is saying
[13:10] <flaccid> jussi01: then what is the point. the scope of the topic is ambiguous and wide
[13:11] <ScorpKing> flaccid: ot is ot. period
[13:11] <flaccid> ActionParsnip: yeah but technically we are not off topic
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> yeah but its still done
[13:11] <flaccid> ScorpKing: where is this defined. off topic
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> im saying im happy with what i got and you disagree
[13:11] <flaccid> i'd like to read about what is on topic and what is not thanks
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> !offtopic
[13:11] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[13:12] <flaccid> ActionParsnip: i only disagree from a security respect
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, and i acept the disagreement
[13:12] <flaccid> sweet, we are done.
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, i kept saying this
[13:12] <flaccid> ardchoille: where can i read about what is on topic and what is not, because its not really clear if you ask me
[13:13] <ScottG> if no one is asking/answering a support question it's off topic
[13:13] <flaccid> ok so i was on topic
[13:13] <flaccid> sweet.
[13:13] <flaccid> ScottG: URL for that please.
[13:13] <ScottG> ActionParsnip stopped "asking" a long time ago
[13:14] <ScottG> all the ops (who deop themselves) are saying it, isn't that good enough?
[13:14]  * ActionParsnip sups coffee
[13:14] <flaccid> no, its not good making a claim if you can't back it up. im happy to keep on topic and rules if they can be cited.
[13:15] <ScorpKing> !guidelines > flaccid
[13:15] <ScottG> ok, you aren't listening and I'm not going to add to the madness, get yourself kicked, I don't care..
[13:15] <flaccid> ScorpKing: specifically please
[13:15] <flaccid> which part of the guielines please
[13:16] <ScorpKing> read it all
[13:16] <flaccid> i have probably about 20 times in the past
[13:16] <ScorpKing> Don't be annoying is in there
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> !guidelines
[13:16] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[13:16] <flaccid> ScorpKing: what specifically am i breaching that
[13:17] <ardchoille> flaccid: This is not the place for this. Please join #ubuntu-ops and continue this there.
[13:17]  * ScorpKing decides to rather keep quiet..
[13:17] <flaccid> ardchoille: i'll be right thanks. if nobody can answer then i guess there isn't one.
[13:17] <ardchoille> !nickspam | posingaspopular
[13:17] <ubotu> posingaspopular: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[13:17] <posingaspopular> oops sorry ardchoille
[13:17] <posingaspopular> i forget people can see that stuff since i have it on 'hide'
[13:18] <flaccid> ardchoille: if i was to be as harsh as you, i would be telling off alot of people in this channel , daily
[13:19] <jussi01> flaccid: please join #ubuntu-ops if you would like to speak to the ops about policy - lets keep this channel for helping people with Kubuntu problems.
[13:20] <noaXess> i have in input pen/scanner.. on windows i can scan some numbers or text in one line.. handy tool..
[13:20] <noaXess> anybody knwo about some app in kde to use this input pen?
[13:21] <flaccid> jussi01: are you an operator?
[13:21] <jussi01> flaccid: thats correct
[13:22] <flaccid> jussi01: ok i have done what you said
[13:28] <noaXess> jussi01: have you any idea or experience with an unpit pen for scanning single text lines?
[13:28] <jussi01> noaXess: no, I havent sorry.
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, what make / model is it?
[13:31] <ScorpKing> i need to buy a flatbed scanner that will work well under linux. any suggestions?
[13:32] <jussi01> ScorpKing: I have a canon n670U which works perfectly
[13:32] <ScorpKing> thanks. will see if i can find one.
[13:33] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: c-channel
[13:33] <noaXess> c tecnologies ab (publ)
[13:33] <noaXess> c technologies ab (publ).. they don't have anything for linux
[13:34] <noaXess> i think it a pen that only reads the text as image and a the c-channel software under windows makes the ocr
[13:36] <tuxick> ScorpKing: canon lide25
[13:36] <tuxick> dirt cheap and works great
[13:36] <tuxick> no power adapter needed
[13:37]  * ScorpKing is on the phone with canon..
[13:37] <jussi01> ScorpKing: just dont buy their printers...
[13:37] <tuxick> feh
[13:37] <ScorpKing> i know. hehe
[13:38] <ardchoille> ScorpKing: I always consult this page before buying hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[13:38] <tuxick> still trouble with that klog not starting
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, just checking now
[13:38] <tuxick> but it does know ldap users now
[13:38] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: okay.. thanks.. me too.. searching around
[13:38] <ScorpKing> thanks ardchoille
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/4421/1/
[13:39] <ardchoille> ScorpKing: yw
[13:41] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: thanks but that i found before and this works only for infrared pen's
[13:41] <ScorpKing> heh. canon isn't too cheap though. :(
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, what happens when you plug it in?
[13:43] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: i will be recognized us inout pen c technologies..
[13:43] <noaXess> err.. input pen
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, ok then how do you use it. do you access it like a hard drive in windows?
[13:44] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: no.. like a pen :) on windows i need to install the software from c-channel that makes the ocr..
[13:45] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: the input pen itself send an image of the scanned text and the c-channel software makes the ocr
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> so you need the pen attached to the pc and then scan the text?
[13:45] <flaccid> !off-topic | ActionParsnip
[13:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about off-topic - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:45] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: jep..
[13:45] <flaccid> !offtopic | ActionParsnip
[13:45] <ubotu> ActionParsnip: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[13:46] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, ok cool. i'd try gimp then and treat it like a scanner (maybe, absolute guess)
[13:48] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: sane-find-scanner finds the input pen on libusb:002:011
[13:49] <se7en_> !krename
[13:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about krename - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:49] <ardchoille> se7en_: Try !info krename
[13:50] <se7en_> !info krename
[13:50] <ubotu> krename: Powerful batch renamer for KDE 3.x. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0.14-1 (gutsy), package size 332 kB, installed size 1288 kB
[13:50] <se7en_> :(
[13:50] <se7en_> :)
[13:50] <ardchoille> se7en_: Use "!info package" when seeking info about a package
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, give it a go man :)
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, looks promising
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, any good??
[13:57] <dognews> Action Parsnip flaccid: hm... finally it works now. it seems that I just had a wrong password, which is quite impossible, as I checked it many times before I asked you, but I'm glad it does work now. Maybe it was because of some packages I installed... thanks for your help, anyway :)
[13:58] <ActionParsnip> dognews, what were we helping with? I forget
[13:58] <flaccid> np
[13:58] <flaccid> not that my help is appreciated by the ubuntu team, but thats cool :)
[13:59] <dognews> ActionParsnip: wireless lan didn't work properly on my new kubuntu 7.10 machine
[13:59] <dognews> flaccid: lol
[14:00] <flaccid> dognews: what out your lol could be off-topic!
[14:00] <ScorpKing> have fun guys. laters..
[14:01] <flaccid> what=watch
[14:01] <dognews> flaccid: rofl
[14:01] <flaccid> im not sure if laughing is within the kubuntu support scope :p
[14:02] <ardchoille> flaccid: Those comments are not necessary
[14:02] <flaccid> yea and neither was giving me the 3rd degree
[14:02]  * flaccid waits
[14:03] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: sorry was playing with my kid :)
[14:07] <xtas> Hello everyone! I was just wondering can anyone help me to change resolution on Ubuntu + KDE
[14:08] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, no worries :)
[14:08] <ScottG> xtas: that's an easy one
[14:08] <ScottG> not sure why everyone's not jumping at it :)
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> !resolution
[14:09] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[14:09] <xtas> hmmm
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> xtas, is your res to low?
[14:10] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: if sane recognizes my input pen.. now i need only a driver to communicate with it.. are there some drver developpers? :)
[14:10] <noaXess> err.. developers...
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, I think you can tell your system to "scan" then move the pen over the text
[14:11] <xtas> ActionParsnip: its now 1024x768 and my screens native resolution is 1280x1024
[14:11] <xtas> a bit blurry
[14:11] <RickX> does anyone know how to remove a kde style?
[14:11] <tuxick> \o/ found it
[14:11] <tuxick> a documented bug
[14:11] <tuxick> in udev
[14:11] <blekos> hello, i type this in order to take a full backup tar cvpzf /backup/backup.tgz -exclude=/lost+found/ -exclude=/mnt/ -exclude=/sys -exclude=/dev/ -exlude=/backup/ -exclude=/media/
[14:11] <ActionParsnip> xtas, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[14:12] <blekos> but i get the message tar:invalid option --e
[14:12] <blekos> could you help me pls?
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> blekos, http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?tar there is no --e option
[14:13] <se7en_> blekos: did you write -exclude or --exclude
[14:13] <blekos> -exclude
[14:13] <noaXess> --exclude
[14:13] <noaXess> blekos: see man tar
[14:14] <noaXess> --exclude=PATTERN
[14:14] <se7en_> blekos: thats why --exclude should work
[14:14] <xtas> ActionParsnip: okay. what after that
[14:15] <blekos> ok thnx
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> xtas, change nothing except when you get to the resolution bit then add what you want.
[14:16] <xtas> did so
[14:16] <xtas> now I need to restart X?
[14:16] <xtas> ctrl alt backspace?
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> yeah should be ok
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> xtas, or restart pc, your call
[14:17] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: my problem with opening apps.. that they will be open twice but only one will com up.. i think it's only if i run any app with root rights.. eg. adept_manager...
[14:18] <xtas> Okay no help.
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, have you maybe been running KDE apps with sudo?
[14:18] <xtas> Where can I find any place to  try to change the res
[14:18] <Tm_T> !resolution | xtas
[14:18] <ubotu> xtas: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[14:19] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: yes.. and the adept_manager will automaticlyy promt for my password..
[14:19] <Tm_T> !patience | xtas
[14:19] <ubotu> xtas: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[14:19] <nick__> Hey everyone, I have a k3b question.  I want to burn an audio cd from mp3s but whenever I try to drag them to the audio cd project it says that they have to be converted to wav before they can be burnt.  Is k3b not capable of doing the conversion for me and keeping them in a temp folder?
[14:19] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: after the first one.. if i open it later, it would be opend twice..
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> xtas, you should now be able to select the res you want
[14:19] <xtas> heh. sure sorry bout being so anxious. this is just getting me insane ;)
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> xtas, what graphics card do you have?
[14:19] <Tm_T> xtas: no problems, just wanted to point out :)
[14:20] <xtas> ActionParsnip: but where should I be able to change it? I find no place for it. Geforce 6800
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> xtas, try this lot. You've done most of it already http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-distributions-5/cant-change-resolution-kubuntukde-535107/
[14:22] <xtas> I've used fedora, suse and mandrive back in the days and there were no probs with resolution. So it kinda hit me hard when I've heard everyone saying Ubuntu is good and easy and everything nice but so basic thing can be this hard, huh :)
[14:22] <xtas> actually, I think after restarting X resolution is even more smaller
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> xtas, you just have a res that all card can show. just a bit of tweaking (btw Mandrake is where I started and wasnt bad at all :))
[14:23] <xtas> hehe
[14:24] <xtas> hmm. I cant find that 'Display' place in my control panel
[14:24] <xtas> or anywhere here in kde
[14:24] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: for my input pen.. i have a solution.. use it with virtualbox and an virtual windows :)
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, its a workaround. I'd keep looking for a solution though :)
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> xtas, run kcontrol
[14:26] <xtas> There is no display either
[14:27] <se7en_> monitor abd
[14:27] <se7en_> monitor and display in kcontrol and system settings xtas
[14:28] <xtas> theres no such thing
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> xtas, run displayconfig
[14:30] <xtas> now I got the "screen resize & rotate" button next to clock. but 800x600 is still the highest
[14:31] <xtas> xtas@xtas-desktop:~$ displayconfig
[14:31] <xtas> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 167
[14:33] <xtas> I'll boot X once more.
[14:34] <xtas> Yes
[14:34] <xtas> now it works
[14:35] <jhutchins_wk> xtas: Your xorg.conf is not correct, and possibly you have the wrong driver for your card.
[14:35] <xtas> Now I have bigger res.
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> xtas, all fine and dandy?
[14:35] <jhutchins_wk> xtas: Fixed now?
[14:35] <xtas> I guess so. I needed to "identify" my gfx card and display and now it works
[14:35] <xtas> I mean put the right model etc
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> xtas, sweet as. you can use ctrl-alt-+ and ctrl-alt-- to switch between the
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> *available* resolutions.
[14:36] <xtas> Ye
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> xtas, personally i woudnt bother now
[14:36] <xtas> Thanks for the help mates
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> xtas, no worries duder
[14:36] <xtas> :)
[14:36] <xtas> now to shop to get some food
[14:38] <vbgunz_> anybody know where I can post an 8kb gzipped archive for sharing?
[14:38] <vbgunz_> am trying to make a post on kubuntuforums but it doesn't accept gzipped archives
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> vbgunz, http://myfreefilehosting.com/
[14:39] <nick__> Hey everyone, I have a k3b question.  I want to burn an audio cd from mp3s but whenever I try to drag them to the audio cd project it says that they have to be converted to wav before they can be burnt.  Is k3b not capable of doing the conversion for me and keeping them in a temp folder?
[14:39] <tzd> Hey people! Can anyone tell me if it's possible to upgrade Amarok v.1.4.7 to 1.4.8 without losing settings, scripts etc?
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> nick__, http://blog.mypapit.net/2007/10/how-to-burn-and-normalize-mp3-to-audio-cd-in-ubuntu-linux.html
[14:41] <nick__> ActionParsnip: Thanks, but does that change the nature of the original mp3?
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> tzd, afaik you only upgrade the app. the settings will be in ~/.amarok and should be preserved
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> nick__, should just make it usable. afaik it makes new files but just claw a copy of the mp3s to a folder to work with. I'll try find something more graceful
[14:42] <tzd> ActionParsnip: great, just what i wanted to hear :) Thanks a bunch mate!
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> nick__, k3b-mp3 is a plugin for k3b
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> nick__, if you sudo apt-get install k3b-mp3
[14:44] <tzd> oh one more question... does the Amarok team have an irc channel?
[14:44] <Jucato> !info libk3b2-mp3
[14:44] <ubotu> libk3b2-mp3: The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 43 kB, installed size 116 kB
[14:45] <Jucato> nick__: you need that one ^^^
[14:45] <Jucato> tzd: #amarok
[14:45] <tzd> gr8 thanks :)
[14:46] <blekos> hi  i tried to make a backup with tar but before the end of the process i get the message "segmentation fault"
[14:47] <jabberlabba> hi
[14:49] <vbgunz_> anyone of something like rapidshare, something like a pastebin, something quick I can post an 8kb archive too?
[14:49] <giuseppe> Hi, I inserted in etc/fstab this string "//servername/sharename /media/mountname cifs guest,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=unicode,unicode 0 0"
[14:50] <giuseppe> and when I try to mount net it says: permission denied
[14:50] <giuseppe> why????
[14:50] <tuxick> after selecting "console login" in kdm dialog, how am i supposed to return to kdm?
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> tuxick, startx
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> probably
[14:51] <tuxick> that doesn't make sense
[14:51] <tuxick> maybe as root then ;p
[14:51] <Pici> you could do 'sudo invoke-rc.d kdm restart'
[14:52] <tuxick> yeah that sounds saner
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> giuseppe, I think you have to put usernames / password
[14:52] <tuxick> schweet
[14:52] <tuxick> ldap auth working fine, /home automounted
[14:52] <giuseppe> ActionParsnip: but which username/password?
[14:53] <helge> Hi, I have a brand new AMD 64 6ghz with a new install of gutsy 64. I don't get flash to work in firefox and I wonder if it is possible at all?
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> giuseppe, the account on the remote computer that gives you access
[14:54] <giuseppe> ActionParsnip: ok, I believed it was without password, now I check
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> helge, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341727
[14:54] <tuxick> it just fails to find group name belonging to ID
[14:54] <helge> thx
[14:57] <noaXess> so back..
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> peace out brethryns
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> home time now :)
[14:58] <blekos> any idea what is segmantation fault?
[14:59] <jpatrick> blekos: when a program tries to access a part of the memory it doesn't have the right too
[15:00] <blekos> i did sudo su and run a tar command
[15:01] <jpatrick> blekos: sudo -s is better (safer at least) and does sudo tar not cut it?
[15:01] <blekos> but i get an error "segmenation fault" after a few files
[15:01] <noaXess> what does kubuntu users here use as prefering harddisk check tool?
[15:01] <jpatrick> I don't see why you want to run that as root eitehr
[15:01] <jpatrick> noaXess: fsck?
[15:01] <noaXess> :)
[15:01] <noaXess> jpatrick: :)
[15:02] <blekos> i write sudo tar cvpzf /backup/backup.tgz --exclude=/proc/ --exclude=/lost+found/ --exclude=/mnt/ --exclude=/sys/ / --exclude=/dev/ --exclude=/backup --exclude=/media
[15:02] <blekos> and get this
[15:02] <jpatrick> !paste | blekos
[15:02] <ubotu> blekos: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[15:02] <jpatrick> (just in case)
[15:03] <blekos> ... ... ...
[15:03] <blekos> /sys/kernel/security/tpm0/
[15:03] <blekos> Segmentation fault
[15:03] <jpatrick> blekos: I don't see why you want to run that as root tho
[15:04] <blekos> i just follow a tutorial, the thing is why i get the segmentation fault :(
[15:04] <blekos> which does not allow the tar process to complete its job
[15:04] <jpatrick> it's trying to access the kernel/security/ part I guess
[15:05] <noaXess> jpatrick: i the simples check a harddisk fsck -n to show whats wrong with the hd?
[15:06] <jpatrick> noaXess: should work, I've never run it myself
[15:06] <sakthian> how can i lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/)
[15:06] <noaXess> jpatrick: i nee also a tool to check if there is a hardware error..
[15:06] <jpatrick> oh, wait I have once
[15:06] <noaXess> jpatrick: i used bevore testdisk.. you know?
[15:06] <llutz> noaXess: badblocks
[15:06] <jpatrick> noaXess: I haven't, sorry
[15:08] <blekos> hmm i got errors
[15:08] <blekos> how i can fix them
[15:09] <sakthian> pls tell some procedure to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/)
[15:10] <Jucato> to lock? or unlock?
[15:11] <smax> hi
[15:11] <sakthian> to lock
[15:11] <Jucato> hm.. not sure if that's normally possible... why would you want to lock it?
[15:11] <blekos> i run fsck and have a few errors
[15:11] <Jucato> (or you can leave Adept Manager or Installer running to lock it)
[15:12] <smax> i want to get involved in PHP devel on my PC.  should i install mysql-server or the module for PHP ?
[15:12] <blekos> if i run fsck -y it says it can cause severe damage
[15:12] <blekos> what should i do?
[15:12] <noaXess> how to force a fsck of a spec. device on next reboot?
[15:12] <blekos> yes
[15:14] <blekos> can i somehow schedule and fschk on next rebot?
[15:14] <noaXess> blekos: same quest as mine..
[15:14] <noaXess> :)
[15:14] <blekos> o sorry :)
[15:15] <llutz> blekos: sudo touch/forcefsck
[15:16] <llutz> blekos: sudo touch /forcefsck          sry, will force fsck next reboot
[15:16] <noaXess> llutz: just add the little file forcefsck to the root dir?
[15:16] <llutz> noaXess: thats the trick :)
[15:17] <noaXess> llutz: and how to specify a device eg. /dev/sda1
[15:17] <noaXess> !fsck
[15:17] <ubotu> fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[15:18] <llutz> noaXess: not sure, try to create that file on that device.
[15:20] <llutz> noaXess: but if it isn't your /-FS, you always can check it after umounting
[15:20] <noaXess> llutz: it is my root fs :)
[15:20] <llutz> noaXess: umount just won't work with /
[15:21] <llutz> noaXess:  then: sudo touch /forcefsck
[15:21] <noaXess> llutz: ok.. i do it now :)
[15:21] <noaXess> until later..
[15:22] <noaXess> llutz: do you know a trick to see the boot process and not the kubuntu logo.. is there any key trick?
[15:23] <dwidmann> noaXess: remove the splash option from the kernel line in the menu.lst file and you'll see the boot process just fine ..... taking off the quiet option should help too
[15:23] <helge> It seems Kubuntu 64 didn't quite work out for me on my new AMD 6 ghz computer, can I install 32 bit Kubuntu? Will I loose out on stuff?
[15:24] <dwidmann> helge: depends if you put /home on a seperate partition or not
[15:24] <llutz> noaXess: boot with "nosplash" and delete the "quiet" option in grub
[15:24] <helge> I didnt mean files and such, I was more thinking processor power and so on
[15:24] <llutz> noaXess: mabe it needs setting vga=normal
[15:25] <dwidmann> helge: Well, some processing power yes .... what exactly hadn't worked out anyhow?
[15:25] <noaXess> llutz: what menas vga=normal? what resolution?
[15:25] <helge> I cannot get flash to work, I gave it a good shot but I came back empty there. I do need flash...
[15:26] <llutz> 80x25, no framebuffer
[15:26] <dwidmann> helge: works fine for me .... which browser are you using it in?
[15:27] <helge> Firefox, I also have swiftweasel 32 bit
[15:28] <noaXess> llutz: are there other options for vga=? i know that vga=0x317 is a resolution of 1024x768... but 1680x1050 will be nice :)
[15:28] <dwidmann> helge: should be easy to get it to work in either really. Easiest way is to be running Gutsy and running "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree", which happens to pull in and properly setup nspluginwrapper also.
[15:29] <llutz> noaXess: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html#
[15:30] <helge> I have done so and I also tried some tip I got earlier on a more manual install. It works a little bit but crashes one second into the movie.
[15:30] <giuseppe> ac
[15:30] <dwidmann> helge: That's strange ...
[15:30] <helge> Shoul i restart x?
[15:31] <dwidmann> helge: Shouldn't really need to ... at least I can't think of any reason why that would be required. Have you tried it in any other browsers (ie: konqueror, opera, etc)
[15:31] <BluesKaj> howdy folks  :-)
[15:31] <blekos> could you please give me again the command for forcing a check and repair during next boot?
[15:31] <dwidmann> Hi Blues
[15:32] <BluesKaj> hi dwidmann
[15:32] <helge> konqueror says I have to install but it didnt get me anywhere... But if it isn't to much of a deal I would be fine with 32-bit (as far as I know)
[15:32] <helge> 32-bit kubuntu gutsy I mean
[15:33] <dwidmann> helge: I really do think that it'd probably be faster to fix the Flash problem though ....
[15:33] <helge> ok
[15:33] <helge> I did this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341727
[15:34] <dwidmann> helge, okay, one sec while I look at that then
[15:35] <BluesKaj> helge, try this as well, it might work  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397
[15:35] <helge> ok
[15:40] <mustafa> arkadaşlar bana türkçe yardım edebilecek biri var mı
[15:40] <BluesKaj> !tk | mustafa
[15:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:41] <BluesKaj> !ty
[15:41] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[15:41] <BluesKaj> :)
[15:41] <BluesKaj> !tr | mustafa
[15:41] <ubotu> mustafa: Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[15:44] <mustafa> BluesKaj: teşekkürler kusura bakma daha yeni kurdum yardım lazımdı
[15:47] <BluesKaj> !en | mustafa
[15:47] <ubotu> mustafa: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[15:51] <helge> Bluskaj , Still no luck for me. I have been using kubuntu since Dapper and I haven't had much trouble like this before
[15:52] <BluesKaj> just falsh helge ?
[15:52] <BluesKaj> err flash
[15:52] <dwidmann> According to what I read in the page Blueskaj just linked you to, it looks like Flash may not be working in Konqueror at all, and not in any version of Opera below 9.5B2 ... piece of crud Flash !@#$!@#$#
[15:53] <dwidmann> I've yet to test that statement though
[15:53] <dwidmann> so I'm taking it with a few grains of salt ...
[15:54] <BluesKaj> dwidmann, i'm using flash in konq with no probs but I think it's cuz i installed the older plugin , which is no longer available AFAIK ...lemme check
[15:55] <BluesKaj> <--64 bit amd
[15:55] <BluesKaj> Opera flash doesn't work at all on 64 bit
[15:55] <dwidmann> <--also 64-bit AMD
[15:55] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: not quite true, then again, I'm using 9.5B2
[15:55] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:56] <BluesKaj> roh , din't know that it would work ...static opera vers?
[15:57] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: no, 64-bit dynamic
[15:57] <helge> This is my first 64 bit though, and I have a new install, I am pretty certain that I will try 32-bit kubuntu to see if it is ok.
[15:58] <dwidmann> helge: see if flash works fine for you on the 32-bit live cd just to make sure there aren't any other problems holding things down.
[15:59] <helge> Sure I will, thanks for all the help. Much apreciated!!!
[16:00] <BluesKaj> flash works in opera 9.5 beta 2 ?
[16:00] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: yeah
[16:01] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: bear in mind Opera 9.5B2 isn't entirely stable though. The by far largest problem I've had with it is my settings and bookmarks disappearing every so often ..... strangely enough
[16:01] <BluesKaj> where did you get it ?
[16:01] <dwidmann> Umm, lemme find it again
[16:02] <BluesKaj> found beta1
[16:02] <dwidmann> I think it's here: ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/linux/950b/final/en/x86_64/
[16:03] <dwidmann> Hmm, I kept going on about beta 2 when it's beta 1 ..... curse that page I read. Messing me up >:(
[16:03] <dwidmann> At any rate, it *IS* working in Beta 1.
[16:04] <BluesKaj> dwidmann, thx, wonder if the deb is the one to use?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> beta 1 eh , ok i'll check that out
[16:05] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: yep, should be the deb.
[16:05] <dwidmann> Just do keep your bookmarks backed up just in case.
[16:05] <dwidmann> I'm lucky I had a backup or two myself ...
[16:06] <BluesKaj> well, i'll experiment with it while keeping konq as my default ...altho konq seems to have slowed up a lot lately
[16:09] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: hehe, speed problems is one thing you definitelhy won't have with Opera :D
[16:10] <wesst> ciulpkit byby]
[16:13] <tuxick> what do i kill to keep kde from messing with my NIC?
[16:13] <combinio> how to make Kubuntu faster (e.g. like WinXP) ? i want to open different windows in much shorter time ? is this possible to renconfigure it somehow ? :}
[16:13] <tuxick> looks like that was ruining my ldap login/nfs mounted homedir
[16:13] <BluesKaj> oops , not rendering some pages correctly
[16:14] <dwidmann> combino .... turning off visual effects in essence making things more like fluxbox, should help ... best way to do it is kpersonalizer, but it's quite outdated in some senses, you'll soon see why if yo9u try it.
[16:14] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: or is it?
[16:14] <HS^> will it tae a long time to integrate kde4 in kubuntu?
[16:15] <HS^> by the way i didnt like the rc2 at all
[16:15] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: funny how those things work ... maybe it is what is actually rending them *correctly* (ie: unforgiving of hapless html mistakes)
[16:15] <dwidmann> HS^: it should be in in Ubuntu Hardy, but just not the default.
[16:16] <dwidmann> HS^: actually, it's more or less gettable now, even though it is still in the beta phases
[16:16] <BluesKaj> dwidmann, puts all the graphics and text in a list on the left side of the page
[16:16] <HS^> dwidmann,  i thought they will fix the menu etc
[16:16] <combinio> dwidmann: will try that now ;P ( i mean fluxbox installation ;) )
[16:16] <HS^> i didnt like the rc2
[16:16] <dwidmann> HS^: for all I know that might already be fixed
[16:17] <HS^> the kubuntu live cd... i dont know what sort of feedback you got from it
[16:17] <dwidmann> combinio: you can use fluxbox in kde instead of kwin if you want to, I forget how to go about it htough
[16:17] <dwidmann> HS^: I haven't played with it in a while really, though I still fire up some of the KDE4 games in my KDE3 session.
[16:20] <sfcmouse> hi   new user here.  wondering if anyone can help me get something that i can use for adobe
[16:21] <Dr_willis> 'for adobe' ?
[16:21] <sfcmouse> yes  i need adobe reader to access certain features from my bank
[16:22]  * Dr_willis was confused since adobe makes a lot of products. :)
[16:22] <sfcmouse> the only adobe reader i seen is one designed for windows
[16:22] <Dr_willis> adobe  has the acrobat reader program for linux.. but thats about all i know on the subject. sorry.
[16:22] <tuxick> the "Network settings" dialog "Administration mode" isn't working
[16:22] <tuxick> i can enter admin pass 100 times and i still end up without admin privs
[16:23] <sfcmouse> i think that is what i need.  any idea where i can get it
[16:23] <Dr_willis> tuxick,  ive seen other mention that bug.
[16:23] <Dr_willis> acroread - Adobe Reader - binary files
[16:23] <Dr_willis> !info acroread
[16:23] <Dr_willis> its in the repos.
[16:23] <tuxick> it's even worse
[16:23] <ubotu> Package acroread does not exist in gutsy
[16:23] <Dr_willis> Hmm
[16:23] <Dr_willis> Its in MY repos at least.. heh
[16:23] <tuxick> it does the same if i enter a wrong pass
[16:23] <sfcmouse> sorry to be so dumb but what is repos
[16:23] <Dr_willis> !repos
[16:23] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[16:23] <Dr_willis> i think the acroreader tool is in the medibuntu repos
[16:23]  * tuxick sighs
[16:23] <Dr_willis> !medibuntu
[16:23] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[16:24] <tuxick> i was hoping to use this for user desktops
[16:24] <tuxick> looks like it's not ready
[16:24] <Dr_willis> tuxick,  bugs happen..
[16:24] <tuxick> Dr_willis: i know, i run into dozens of them each week
[16:24] <jussi01> !pdf
[16:24] <ubotu> pdf is the Portable Document Format created by Adobe; viewable in GNU/Linux with xpdf/kpdf/evince, and also adobe reader (free download, but closed source)
[16:24] <Dr_willis> demand a refund.. or you could tr 'kde kcontrol'
[16:25] <tuxick> anyway i want to *stop* kde from messing with my network config
[16:25] <compilerwriter> Is there anyone who can talk me through sharing my printer on the kubuntu box with the entire network?  My wife would like to be able to print from her XP laptop again.
[16:25] <Dr_willis> compilerwriter,  install the samba package for a start.
[16:26] <dwidmann> tuxick: use "kdesudo kcmshell whatevermoduleitis", or perhaps "kdesudo kcontrol"
[16:26] <Dr_willis> Hmm administrator mode button works for me on  the KDE networking tool. It may be because i have it set wher the user dont have to sudo. :)
[16:26] <tuxick> finding out the module name is complicate already :)
[16:27] <tuxick> ah it shows in the dialog
[16:27] <sub[t]rnl> you shouldn't need samba if your only sharing your linux printer
[16:27] <sub[t]rnl> cups will work
[16:27] <dwidmann> sub[t]rnl: and it works well :)
[16:27] <Dr_willis> sub[t]rnl,  if you say so..  I alwyas got samba installed anyway as one of the first things i install.
[16:28] <Dr_willis> is cups still set where it wont share printers by default? or was that just in the older releases?
[16:28] <sub[t]rnl> I think its still where it wont share by default
[16:29] <Dr_willis> i rember some heated.. debates.. on the use of cups web interface. and  how ubuntu sort of locked it down.
[16:29] <Dr_willis> If you can call a flamefest a debate. :P
[16:29] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[16:29] <dhq> when is kde4 out
[16:30] <dhq> what is kubuntu hardy
[16:30] <Dr_willis> !kde4
[16:30] <ubotu> kde4 is KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://tinyurl.com/2gqwmr - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[16:30] <Jucato> dhq: Jan 11 I think. (see www.kde.org)
[16:30] <Dr_willis> !hardy
[16:30] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[16:31] <blekos> guys i need your help
[16:32] <blekos> i have created a file which constantly fsck-es my system and cannot login
[16:32] <blekos> i need to delete it, now i am in with a live cd but do not now how to mount my / partion so i can delete the specified file
[16:32] <blekos> could you give me instructions?
[16:33] <Dr_willis> you are refreing to the /force-fsck file or similer named?
[16:33] <blekos> yes?
[16:33] <blekos> i did a touch /forcefsck file
[16:33] <Dr_willis> in short.. 'sudo mount /dev/whateverthedrveis /media/SOMEDIRTHATMUSTEXIST
[16:33] <Dr_willis>  then cd to /media/SOMEDIRTHATMUSTEXIST and rm the file.
[16:34] <Dr_willis> if youa re on a live cd NOW you can just fsck the filesystem. if you wanted to
[16:34] <Dr_willis> That might remove the file in the first place
[16:34] <blekos> sorry but i am a newbie but somedirthatmust exist is ANY dir?
[16:34] <Dr_willis> Make it named whatever you want.
[16:35] <Dr_willis> You could just try 'fsck /dev/whateverthedeviceis'  (if you knwo the device name)
[16:35] <combinio> !openbox
[16:35] <ubotu> openbox is a lightweight window manager. For instructions and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox. To replace metacity with Openbox please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReplaceMetacityWithOpenbox
[16:35] <combinio> !fluxbox
[16:35] <ubotu> fluxbox is a lightweight and responsive window manager for GNU/Linux. For how to set it up and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox
[16:35] <Dr_willis> !matchbox
[16:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about matchbox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:35] <Dr_willis> :(
[16:35] <blekos> yes i do the dev name
[16:36] <compilerwriter> Dr_willis now that I have samba installed what in blazes do I do with it?
[16:36] <blekos> i always get the error :
[16:36] <blekos> superblock last write time is in the future
[16:36] <compilerwriter> !samba
[16:36] <ubotu> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[16:39] <Dr_willis> Well.. I normally make the linux users a samba password with 'sudo smbpasswd -a USERNNAME'
[16:39] <Dr_willis> Then in theory if the samba service is started.. the windows box shoudl se eit and  be able to connect to its printer
[16:39] <Dr_willis> You may want to change the default workgroup name to match whatever the windows box  is using
[16:40] <blekos> how can i finde a file starting with force?
[16:41] <Dr_willis> the file name starts with force?
[16:41] <blekos> yes
[16:41] <Dr_willis> locate force | less
[16:41] <blekos> in /media/sda6
[16:41] <Dr_willis> cd /media/sda6
[16:41] <Dr_willis> then use find , is another way
[16:42] <Dr_willis> find /path/to/the/things pattern
[16:42] <Dr_willis> locate searches the system located database.
[16:42] <Dr_willis> But that may not have  sda6 indexed yet.
[16:43] <blekos> hmm
[16:43] <blekos> maybe locate is better
[16:43] <Dr_willis> locate can be much better.. BUT it has to be updated on a regular basis
[16:43] <sub[t]rnl> locate is handy for sure
[16:43] <Dr_willis> and its set by default i think to not index mountd filesystems in /media
[16:43] <Dr_willis> and it has some other exclusions
[16:44] <tech404> is there a channel made for kubuntu 64 support or is this the best place to ask?
[16:44] <Dr_willis> # paths which are pruned from updatedb database
[16:44] <Dr_willis> PRUNEPATHS="/tmp /usr/tmp /var/tmp /afs /amd /alex /var/spool /sfs /media"
[16:44] <sub[t]rnl> find / -name 'force*' -print oooorr locate force
[16:44] <sub[t]rnl> take your pick
[16:44] <Dr_willis> whats /alex anyway? ive never heard of that one...
[16:51] <combinio> do u know how to make kwim shortcuts work under OpenBox ??
[16:51] <blekos> i have used this site to create the forcefsck file http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-force-fsck-on-the-next-reboot-or-boot-sequence/
[16:51] <combinio> i mean system shortcuts like minimize, close, etc.
[16:51] <blekos> i have mounted the partitions but now i cannot locate
[16:51] <blekos> do you have any idea where should it be?
[16:54] <mani213> my package manager keeps giving me errors
[16:54] <mani213> like There was an error committing changes. There was possibly a problem downloading some packages, or else the commit would break packages.
[16:55] <mani213> how do i fix that
[16:55] <mani213> ?
[16:55] <ubuntu> hey everyone, I just got the tiny little problem that my PC tells me that the partition table is invalid each time I try to boot any of my harddisks. Is there some way to fix this? I already tried to write the partition table to the disk againt with fdisk but that doesn't seem to have done the trick...
[16:55] <jussi01> mani213: try: sudo apt-get -f
[16:56] <mani213> what do i type in after?
[16:58] <icewaterman> where do i find the trash folder with kubuntu?
[16:59] <icewaterman> i moved something to trash and now i cannot empty the trash (deleted files will therefore remain and i cannot delete them)
[16:59] <jussi01> icewaterman: iirc .trash in your home folder.
[17:00] <icewaterman> jussi01: there is no such folder
[17:00] <icewaterman> but there has to be an icon i can klick on and have it empty the trash
[17:00] <icewaterman> there was one i do not know what happened to it
[17:01] <HS^> icewaterman,  folders with a . in front of you dont see..
[17:01] <HS^> you know that?
[17:01] <icewaterman> HS^: yes, but ls -lah ~|grep trash should list it
[17:01] <HS^> k
[17:03] <icewaterman> sigh, i want that icon back
[17:04] <sub[t]rnl> you can get the trash icon on the kmenu, just add the applet
[17:05] <icewaterman> sub[t]rnl: and on the desktop?
[17:05] <sub[t]rnl> drag it over to the desktop
[17:06] <icewaterman> sub[t]rnl: seems like there is no trash applet
[17:07] <icewaterman> ah, there it is
[17:07] <icewaterman> cannot drag it though
[17:07] <boss_> ;-)
[17:08] <icewaterman> this cannot be happening
[17:08] <sub[t]rnl> heh
[17:08] <sub[t]rnl> right click on the desktop
[17:08] <sub[t]rnl> create new -> link to url
[17:08] <sub[t]rnl> then put in trash:/
[17:09] <icewaterman> sub[t]rnl: tried that before but with an additional /
[17:09] <icewaterman> probably that is the reason it didnt work
[17:10] <icewaterman> sub[t]rnl: thx, at least it works now (the icon indicates it is always full though, but i can live with that
[17:13] <shadowh511> how do i install KDE in ubuntu and have me choose at login which environment i want?
[17:13] <sub[t]rnl> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[17:14] <sub[t]rnl> will add kde to your session manager at the login screen
[17:14] <shadowh511> how much space will that take?
[17:15] <sub[t]rnl> apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop
[17:15] <icewaterman> shadowh511: the entire desktop will take quite a lot
[17:16] <shadowh511> crap thats a lotta programs
[17:18] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[17:18] <sub[t]rnl> the installed size will tell you how much its going to use up
[17:18] <sub[t]rnl> remember its in kBytes
[17:19] <shadowh511> its 559 megs
[17:19] <lokpest> Is it just me that thinks that the "kubuntu 8.04 wont be LTS"-debate is overrated?
[17:19] <sub[t]rnl> yup!
[17:19] <sub[t]rnl> :D
[17:20] <icewaterman> lokpest: private users will not care much about LTS anyway and therefore update their software to next distro anyway
[17:20] <hdvalence> lokpest: it is an affront to justice!!!
[17:20] <icewaterman> LTS is only interesting for companies
[17:21] <jpatrick> !ot
[17:21] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[17:21] <hdvalence> Internets are serious business, you know!
[17:21] <erik__> How do i find out witch version of kubuntu i run ?
[17:21] <icewaterman> because in productive environments you cannot switch the OS every 6 Months -simply to expensive.
[17:22] <Pici> !version | erik__
[17:22] <ubotu> erik__: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[17:22] <erik__> ty Pici :D
[17:22] <Pici> Welcome
[17:27] <xtas> What process is "whiptail" Its eating more than 85% of my cpu usage all the time
[17:28] <sub[t]rnl> whiptail is something off a dpkg --reconfigure
[17:28] <sub[t]rnl> kill it
[17:28] <sub[t]rnl> I've ran into that a time or two
[17:29] <xtas> okay
[17:29] <Dr_willis> I find the whole LTS/Kde4 'gnome wins kde looses' posts ive been seeing lately overratted.
[17:29] <xtas> So everytime I see it I can just kill it?
[17:29] <Dr_willis> its like now  ubuntu is so successfull. that people can only rant and say bad things about it.
[17:29] <sub[t]rnl> xtas➜ yeah, you shoudn't see it all the time
[17:29] <xtas> Okay. Thanks
[17:30] <sub[t]rnl> Dr_willis➜ i guess most see the glass half empty :<
[17:30] <Dr_willis> sub[t]rnl,  yep it also seems that now a days either you are the "Totally dominating BEST OF all Time!" or are a total looser.
[17:31] <Dr_willis> Cant just be a good movie.. you have to be the Biggest of the year/ect.. cant be a good game.. has to be the top of the year.
[17:31] <sub[t]rnl> hahaha
[17:31] <sub[t]rnl> so true
[17:35] <Dr_willis> i would go on.. but i dont want to be ranting. :)
[17:37] <ptfd9100> where do I find the .deb's that adept-manager downloads when installing?
[17:37] <Dr_willis>  /var/cache/apt/SOMTHING :)
[17:37] <llutz> ptfd9100: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[17:38] <Dr_willis> thats close. heh
[17:39] <ptfd9100> hmm what I need is not there...
[17:39] <ptfd9100> I upgraded vbox with a saved machine last night, now ...
[17:39] <ptfd9100> is there another way to downgrade one package?
[17:41] <compilerwriter> Dr_willis  I have installed samba and followed a tutorial to get it configured to share the blasted printer.  XP laptop finds the thing.  I see the document get into the que on kubuntu box.  but no printout.
[17:41] <joeME> I have a conexant winmodem,  I just installed the newest drivers from dell's linux support page and am having trouble getting connected (i'm booted into windows now). both dialers get to ATDT224-6036 (ISP number) and just wait for connect, but if I listen in on the phone, all I hear is the dial tone.
[17:42] <joeME> What do I need to change to get the modem to start?
[17:42] <joeME> or is there a good tutorial online that would lead me through the right steps?  I've been searching for days now.
[17:43] <ScorpKing> joeME: have you tried www.linmodems.org ?
[17:44] <joeME> not lately, good idea
[17:44] <compilerwriter> Any ideas Dr_willis?
[17:45] <ScorpKing> joeME: if jou run sudo wvdialconf it will detect the modem and set most of the commands in /etc/wvdial.conf . you might have to change the username/password and phone number. when that's done just run sudo wvdial and you should be connected if all went well
[17:47] <mcproff_11459> moinsenn
[17:47] <joeME> Thank you
[17:48] <ScorpKing> yw
[17:50] <ScorpKing> how can i get konversation to only show in the system tray when it's minimized. i've looked through the settings but seem to miss it.
[17:52] <jussi01> ScorpKing: its there for sure
[17:52] <ScorpKing> yeah i know but where. heh. taking another look now..
[17:52] <jussi01> ScorpKing: under behaviour general
[17:53] <jussi01> up the to
[17:53] <jussi01> p
[17:53] <ScorpKing> ah i see. thanks :D
[17:59] <venik> I am having a hard time with a USB external drive
[17:59] <venik> I cannot see it on the file manager
[18:00] <venik> I played with the various settings on the SystemsSettings, but got nowhere
[18:12] <ScorpKing> i want to try some eyecandy for a change. i'm looking for the one that's available in kubuntu but not installed by default. if i do !compiz it doesn't show me what i'm looking for. was that factoid changed or am i just a bit confised?
[18:14] <jussi01> !compiz
[18:14] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[18:14] <jussi01> ScorpKing: are you sure?
[18:14] <ScorpKing> ah. one sec
 Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[18:14] <ScorpKing> stupid bot
[18:15] <ScorpKing> thanks jussi01
[18:15] <jussi01> ScorpKing: no, the bot isnt stupid, it just knows when you are in #kubuntu or not and reacts accordingly ;)
[18:16] <ScorpKing> oh i see. heh. stupid me then ;)
[18:18] <shadowh511> yo
[18:18] <shadowh511> the kde install worked
[18:18] <shadowh511> it feels much more like windows
[18:19] <ScorpKing> !aptfix
[18:19] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[18:22] <alesan> hi
[18:22] <ScorpKing> hi alesan
[18:28] <Dr_willis> i dont find kde like windows very much at all...
[18:28] <Dr_willis> I find kde useable...
[18:28] <Dr_willis> :)
[18:30] <sourcemaker>  Dr_willis: I have tested windows vista today... great os... but nothing works...
[18:31] <mrdigital> can i have 2 video cards installed?
[18:31] <Dr_willis> sourcemaker,  using it on my gaming machine.. no real problems.. except having to relearn where all the settings are at.. and learning how to disable that IDIOTIC UAC thing. :)
[18:31] <Dr_willis> mrdigital,  yes you can
[18:31] <sourcemaker> Dr_willis: performance is working fine for you?
[18:33] <Dr_willis> sourcemaker,  no problems that ive seen. i do find that DX10 games have much less FPS then the same game with DX9.
[18:33] <Dr_willis> Compiz has more useable eyecandy features also. :)
[18:33] <Dr_willis> wonder how kde4 and compiz will differ..
[18:34] <Dr_willis> I wonder if anyone else finds compiz to be a bit like a 'cake' with way way way.. too much iceing.. :)
[18:34] <tuxick> what's a compiz?
[18:34] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[18:34] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[18:35] <Dr_willis> it gives you the uber-fancy-eye-candy stuff that you see in a lot of linux demos
[18:35] <Dr_willis> of which all of its features. i find like .. 4 actually helpfull :)
[18:39] <shadowh511> hello
[18:39] <Dr_willis> Howdy
[18:39] <shadowh511> i have both KDE and Gnome on this ubuntu laptop now!
[18:40] <shadowh511> do you know how to make compiz work on kde?
[18:40] <shadowh511> !compiz on kde
[18:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compiz on kde - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:41] <shadowh511> !kde
[18:41] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[18:42] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[18:42] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[18:42] <max_> hi guys: postet the same question in #kde, but no answer yet, so i am asking in here also: what packages do i need to automount usb-sticks in kubuntu gutsy-gibbon?
[18:43] <Dr_willis> they should automount allready
[18:43] <Dr_willis> by default even. :)
[18:43] <max_> i did not install "normally"
[18:43] <max_> i had to save disk space and for that reason did an alternative install
[18:43]  * Dr_willis loves it when people leave out imporntant bits of info. :)
[18:44] <Dr_willis> You mean server install? the Alternative installer cd - installs the full Kubuntu also.
[18:44] <max_> no, i installed a konsole-system and then manually apt-got the packages i thought might be useful
[18:45] <shadowh511> max_: ubutnu/kubuntu/*buntu ALWAYS automounts Usb drives
[18:45] <Dr_willis> If kde/gnome is not running does it still automount them? ive never noticed.
[18:45] <max_> kde is running
[18:46] <max_> but it is not a full kubuntu-desktop-install
[18:46]  * Dr_willis is still trying to figure out  a 'konsole-system'    :)
[18:47] <Dr_willis> So you did not install 'kubuntu-desktop' ? just picked a bunch of packages?
[18:47] <max_> yeah, think that hits the point
[18:48] <Dr_willis> could 'start' to install kubuntu-desktop and look at what packages it wants to install.. but dont let it go on. :) any packages wht 'hal' in the name or automount maybe a good one to try.
[18:49] <max_> (just got the hint to look in kcontrol which seems not to be installed yet. guess it might be some kde-guidance package or similar)
[18:49] <Dr_willis> !info kde
[18:49] <ubotu> kde: the K Desktop Environment official modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 5:47 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[18:49] <max_> (trying to get kcontrol)
[18:49] <Dr_willis> I think there was a kde-core package or somthing also. I also recall a 'minimal kde' web site that listed packages for a Mini-KDE install.
[18:50] <max_> i think i did that
[18:50] <mot_> question...
[18:50] <Lynoure> max_: you could try the opposite approach: install kubuntu-desktop, then prune until it stops working, then undo that step
[18:50] <mot_> aside from transcoding an AVI movie into DVD format and burning it to a DVD
[18:50] <mot_> is there any other way to burn an AVI file to a DVD so that it is readable/playable by most home DVD players?
[18:50] <Dr_willis> Lynoure,  i was hinking that also.
[18:51] <Dr_willis> mot_,  a lot of new dvd players can play divx video files,.
[18:51] <sub[t]rnl> mot_➜ the dvd player has to support the divx
[18:51] <mot_> it's brand new.
[18:51] <Dr_willis> mot,  some can do other formats, vcd, and so forth.
[18:51] <mot_> well
[18:51] <rianne> hi all
[18:51] <Dr_willis> mot_,  check its docs. :) look for a divx logo on the front...
[18:51] <mot_> i think the movie was encoded with divx
[18:51] <mot_> no logo on the front
[18:51] <Dr_willis> put it on disk and try i guess. :P
[18:51] <rianne> my pc can not boot after a kernel upgrade (gutsy).
[18:51] <mot_> does filename matter if it has the right codec?
[18:51] <mot_> Dr_willis, i did, as an AVI a nd it wouldn't work
[18:51] <rianne> what can I do ?
[18:52] <Dr_willis> No idea on the filename - could be your player cant handle divx
[18:52] <Dr_willis> rianne,  cant boot the older kernels in the grub menu?
[18:52] <mot_> what's the easiesy way in kubuntu to figure out what an avi is encoded in?
[18:52] <Dr_willis> file whatever.avi, or right click on it and look at its properties
[18:53] <rianne> Dr_willis: I can NOT boot 2.6.20-15 (from the menu) but i CAN boot 2.6.22-14 from teh Gutsy live CD
[18:53] <mot_> ahh it's xvid not divx
[18:53] <rianne> Dr_willis: this happened after the last kernel upgrade like a couple of days back. I just rebooted yesterday and BAM stuck.
[18:54] <max_> (The KDED Media Service was not running - starting it in kcontrol, solved the usb automount problem - thanx!)
[18:54] <Dr_willis> rianne,  yep tere was a kernel update the other day. Ive had no issues.. but i recall some mention of it in #ubuntu
[18:54] <Dr_willis> well its work time for me.. bye all
[18:54] <rianne> Dr_willis: I am in #ubuntu too. I search launchpad. There are quite some issues. But how to het back up ?
[18:58] <mrdigital> can someone get this video card installed/
[18:59] <ace_suares> so, now I am completely lost ? Noone on IRC that can help me, no helpful hints on ubuntu.org, none in launchpad ?
[18:59] <ace_suares> What should I do, hire some linux expert ?
[18:59] <sigma_123> what r u having problems with?
[19:00] <Lynoure> ace_suares: the change of nick makes it hard to lastlog what you asked...
[19:00] <sigma_123> less than 10 days 2 kde4 :)
[19:01] <Lynoure> ace_suares: normally, when you upgrade kernels, the old one still stays there... so you could probably just remove the new kernel package with apt/adept/tool of your choice
[19:02] <ace_suares> Lynoure: itś not true what you say, unfortunately. A kernel upgrade within the same
[19:02] <sigma_123> ok dnt knw about that sorry. i dnt mess with the kernel
[19:02] <ace_suares> line is done without keeping the old one
[19:02] <ace_suares> so linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic-46 is overriden by -47 without a trace of the old one
[19:03] <sigma_123> it comes with a certain kernel 4a reason:)
[19:03] <ace_suares> Lynoure: I am working on someon elses computer (obvious since mine won boot) and tought a nick change would be appropriate
[19:03] <sigma_123> anyone here got a eeepc running kubuntu?
[19:04] <ace_suares> Lynoure: so, after the latest upgrade, and i THINK itś the kernels fault, booting stops in different places.
[19:04] <ace_suares> see also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/179844
[19:05] <Lynoure> ace_suares: at what point(s) does your booting stop?
[19:07] <ace_suares> Lynoure: sometimes at the USB mouse. Sometimes at the CDROM driver. Sometimes somewhere in a sata drive. I repeat: booted fine BEFORE the upgrade, boots fine with LIVE CD kernel (2.6.22-14)
[19:07] <mrdigital> who here is good with nvidia drivers?
[19:07] <sigma_123> depends on the question
[19:08] <sigma_123> but try the repo glx driver before asking
[19:08] <mrdigital> sigma_123: api mismatch nvidia kernel = 1.0-9755 while x module is 1.0-9631
[19:08] <sigma_123> where did u get the driver from?
[19:09] <mrdigital> nvidia-glx-new
[19:09] <ace_suares> Lynoure: also, how to apt-remove a kernel ? I can not even boot! I use the rescue cd now. Then I can do apt...
[19:10] <Lynoure> ace_suares: that recommendation was given at the point where I did not know you had 0 older kernels around (I think I have about 3 myself)
[19:11] <ace_suares> Lynoure: I have an older kernel (2.6.20-something) and it also won boot ! This made me first think itś a hardware
[19:12] <ace_suares> problem. Butsince I can boot with the live cd (which is 2.6.22-14) I know there is no hardware problem.
[19:12] <Lynoure> ace_suares: live cd does not use your hd, I bet
[19:12] <Lynoure> ace_suares: (at booting stage, at least)
[19:12] <ace_suares> I suspect something in udev is f***ing up or so. I installed other kernels - 2.6.22-server, 2.6.22-386 - but they all had the same problem.
[19:13] <ace_suares> Do I think itś some thing that is on the hd and is used by all kernels (?????) and anyway i can boot and I am pretty lost.
[19:13] <Lynoure> I'm lost now too...
[19:13] <ace_suares> Lynoure: thanks for pointing that out but I can do a rescue from the live cd and that is definately using the harddisk (even md device tru softwar eraid).
[19:14] <ace_suares> Lynoure: so itś def not hardware related... itś driver related, something in the kernel, something in udev or what ever.
[19:15] <ace_suares> Lynoure: thanks for trying tough. Itś a real issue: where to turn to now ? NO help FOUND at the common ubuntu channels at all.
[19:15] <ace_suares> I doubt if paying canonical will solve the proble,
[19:15] <Lynoure> ace_suares: if you are adventurous, you could boot from livecd, then manually install a new kernel to the disk after mounting it... or even new udev. But it's hassle.
[19:16] <mrdigital> how do if i know im using 9755
[19:17] <Lynoure> If you are less adventurous, you could just back up and reinstall.
[19:20] <daffa> !ftp
[19:20] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[19:20] <Lynoure> ace_suares: I'll have to go now. Good luck with whichever approach you choose.
[19:20] <ace_suares> Lynoure: I installed several kernels... didn't work.
[19:21] <ace_suares> Lynoure: There is a lack of serious and reliable support in Ubuntu
[19:21] <ace_suares> Lynoure: thanks anyway, and have a nice 2008 !
[19:21] <Lynoure> ace_suares: you don't want to involve me into that conversation... I'm an entrepreneur geek, and at least when it comes to me, I disagree =)
[19:22] <Lynoure> ace_suares: but the support I volunteer here is, well, pro bono work on my spare time.
[19:23] <Lynoure> Mostly just volunteer on this channel, if not 100% volunteers.
[19:24] <Lynoure> Same goes for the forums.
[19:24] <mrdigital> wow i told the system to use nvidia now my scren is blurry any ideas
[19:28] <sfcmouse> hi  i found an adobe reader for linux but dont know how to instal it
[19:28] <sourcemaker> !nvidia
[19:28] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[19:29] <sfcmouse> is that for adobe reader?
[19:29] <LeeJunFan> sfcmouse: no, that's for graphics cards.
[19:29] <LeeJunFan> !medibuntu
[19:29] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[19:30] <sfcmouse> ok i got a free linux version of adobe reader and i need to install i t now
[19:30] <LeeJunFan> sfcmouse: setup medibuntu repositories on your system and then you will be able to install adobe reader.
[19:30] <shadowhywind> how would one change eth1 to eth0 ? any ideas?
[19:30] <jussi01> sfcmouse: is kpdf not installed allready?
[19:30] <sfcmouse> i have no clue as how to set that up
[19:30] <TimS> Is it possible to get deskbar workind under KDE?
[19:31] <sfcmouse> i am sooo new with linux
[19:31] <jussi01> TimS: you mean a dock?
[19:31] <LeeJunFan> !medibuntu > sfcmouse
[19:31] <LeeJunFan> shadowhywind: you want to edit /etc/iftab
[19:31] <TimS> No, I mean deskbar. Its a seach tool like strigi or beagle for gnome but has a nice applet for searching
[19:31] <jussi01> sfcmouse: look in the kmenu, graphics, kpdf
[19:31] <shadowhywind> etc/iftab doesn't have anything in it
[19:32] <jussi01> TimS: I thought strigi was in by default...
[19:32] <TimS> It is.
[19:32] <TimS> But I dont like strigi. Its interface is horrible. So I want deskbar
[19:32] <jussi01> TimS: ahhh, that I dont know about
[19:33] <mrdigital> why is my display blurry with the nvidia dirver?
[19:33] <sfcmouse> jussi  what does that kpdf do for me
[19:34] <jussi01> sfcmouse: its an equivalent to adobe reader
[19:34] <jussi01> opens pdf files
[19:34] <sfcmouse> ok  but i cant use it i dont think
[19:34] <sfcmouse> i am trying to get info from my bank and it says i need the adobe reader
[19:34] <jussi01> sfcmouse: or do you mean flash - also made by adobe?
[19:34] <sfcmouse> it says i need the adobe reader and provides a free download
[19:35] <sfcmouse> i downloaded a free linux version but dont know how to install it
[19:35] <jussi01> sfcmouse: ok. is this a public link? or is it private?
[19:35] <sfcmouse> its a public link
[19:35] <jussi01> could you provide me with it so I can have a look?
[19:35] <sfcmouse> hold a sec
[19:38] <sfcmouse> ok this is the link to the adobe reader i got  http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html
[19:38] <marcel> siema :) szcz nowego roku dla wszystkich
[19:38] <marcel> czy ktos mi pomoze jak wyswietlic w ubuntu informacje o zaistalowanych kosciach pamieci ram w komputerze?
[19:41] <spykedtomato> marcel - #ubuntu-pl
[19:42] <thumper> morning folks
[19:42] <TimS> Morning tim
[19:43] <thumper> is there an easy way to get amarok to work with a new ipod nano?
[19:43] <thumper> TimS: was that to me?
[19:43] <TimS> Yes
[19:43] <thumper> TimS: ok, morning :)
[19:44] <spykedtomato> thumper: i think you need libgpod 0.6.0
[19:44] <spykedtomato> I did that for my new classic, but i think it's the same procedure
[19:45] <thumper> spykedtomato: and is that easy to get? PPA perhaps?
[19:45] <spykedtomato> yeah - lemmee check which one i have
[19:45] <piet> Hi
[19:46] <piet> i have a question if anyone can answer for me
[19:46] <spykedtomato> thumper: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/sikon/ubuntu gutsy main
[19:46] <spykedtomato> that's what I used, but i'm also using gtkpod
[19:46] <thumper> spykedtomato: thanks, PPA FTW
[19:46] <spykedtomato> i like gtkpod better than amarok for managing files
[19:46] <piet> is there a way that i can change the language from english to Dutch on here
[19:47] <piet> on Ubuntu
[19:47] <spykedtomato> ubuntu or kubuntu?
[19:47] <piet> ubuntu
[19:47] <spykedtomato> try #ubuntu :)
[19:47] <piet> i dont know how i got to kubuntu chat...
[19:47] <piet> thanks
[19:47] <spykedtomato> np
[19:48] <sfcmouse> still trying to install linux version of adobe reader
[19:48] <sfcmouse> any help available?
[19:56] <mrdigital> where is modprobe.conf
[19:57] <j0an> hello
[19:57] <j0an> im having a problem with my pen drive
[19:57] <j0an> can anybody help me
[19:57] <j0an> suddenly i canot write in to my pendrive
[19:58] <j0an> it says readonly
[19:59] <miguel_> hi
[19:59] <miguel_> j0an
[19:59] <_Angelus_> guys, my graphic card doesn't work too good with compiz fusion, my old radeon 7000 with an open source driver used to work better, how can i get the latest drivers in kubuntu?
[19:59] <juan> my sound is not working is there a good debuging guide
[20:00] <marcel> my pc doesn't work also!
[20:00] <marcel> what's heppen:)
[20:00] <thumper> spykedtomato: neither gtkpod nor amarok has the correct model to select for the ipod
[20:00] <thumper> spykedtomato: do I need to recompile them somehow?
[20:01] <juan> thumper: do any of the models amarok has work?
[20:02] <thumper> juan: the older models have a different hash
[20:02] <thumper> and no, they don't work
[20:02] <spykedtomato> thumper: is it a nano video?
[20:02] <thumper> spykedtomato: yeah
[20:03] <spykedtomato> gtkpod lists it as supported
[20:03] <thumper> spykedtomato: yeah, but I just installed gtkpod, and it isn't on the list anywhere
[20:03] <yao_ziyuan> before the login screen there is a boot screen showing a "kubuntu" logo and a progress bar. i wonder how to set screen resolution for this boot screen?
[20:03] <spykedtomato> thumper: maybe under third nano generation?
[20:04] <_Angelus_> guys, my graphic card doesn't work too good with compiz fusion, my old radeon 7000 with an open source driver used to work better, how can i get the latest drivers in kubuntu?
[20:05] <spykedtomato> thumper: it's on my list in gtkpod as Nano Video 3rd generation
[20:05] <draik> What is a good RSS Feed reader?
[20:06] <thumper> spykedtomato: did you compile your gtkpod?
[20:07] <spykedtomato> thumper: nope - installed gtkpod-aac from the repo i gave you
[20:07] <thumper> spykedtomato: aah, I just installed gtkpod
[20:08] <spykedtomato> thumper: dunno if that's the problem - i don't have gtkpod installed - just gtkpod-aac
[20:08] <spykedtomato> it should install libgpod for you automatically
[20:08] <spykedtomato> the list of ipods is dependent on that lib
[20:08] <mith__> hi all!
[20:08] <mith__> how can i change the language in gimp?
[20:09] <thumper> spykedtomato: gtkpod-aac replaces gtkpod
[20:09] <thumper> but that's ok
[20:09] <j0an> hey miguel
[20:09] <spykedtomato> thumper: that's fine
[20:09] <j0an> }what's up
[20:09] <thumper> I don't suppose there is an amarok in a PPA compiled against libgpod.3?
[20:09] <j0an> miguel_
[20:10] <spykedtomato> thumper: i know there is one, but it's compiled for the ipod touch and iphone
[20:10] <spykedtomato> thumper: so i haven't had the guts to test it out with my classic :)
[20:10] <thumper> spykedtomato: do you happen to know the PPA?
[20:11] <spykedtomato> 2 seks
[20:13] <spykedtomato> thumper: http://ppa.launchpad.net/ipod-touch/
[20:14] <thumper> spykedtomato: thanks
[20:14] <spykedtomato> thumper: if you want to use the embedded album art stick to gtkpod tho - amarok isn't easy...
[20:14] <thumper> spykedtomato: ok, what magic do I need to initialise the ipod though
[20:15] <thumper> spykedtomato: I just tried saving stuff but no music still
[20:15] <spykedtomato> thumper: what do you mean?
[20:15] <spykedtomato> is the ipod mounted?
[20:18] <combinio> how to turn off those jumping icons after each launching of program with mouse ??
[20:18] <nosrednaekim> combinio: one second..
[20:18] <combinio> nosrednaekim: ok :)
[20:18] <thumper> spykedtomato: it's ok now, although cover art would be cool
[20:18] <thumper> spykedtomato: is it easy?
[20:18] <spykedtomato> thumper: is what easy - gtkpod?
[20:19] <thumper> spykedtomato: getting coverart with gtkpod?
[20:19] <combinio> nosrednaekim: cuz i'm trying to limit my system to make it much faster :)
[20:19] <spykedtomato> spykedtomato: if you have the coverart embedded in your id3 then you don't have to do anything - it's just there
[20:19] <thumper> spykedtomato: ah, I don't
[20:19] <nosrednaekim> combinio: open up "kcontrol" and then go to "appearance and themes->launch feedback"
[20:19] <spykedtomato> thumper: and i do - which i LOVE :)
[20:20] <thumper> spykedtomato: do you know of a tool to add it?
[20:20] <spykedtomato> thumper: you CAN do it in gtkpod - http://gtkpod.wikispaces.com/Adding+Cover+Art+from+a+browser
[20:20] <spykedtomato> thumper: that wiki is awesome btw - and you can discuss in #gtkpod as well
[20:21] <alexroot> yupiiiiiiii
[20:22] <alexroot> peñaaaa eo, eoeoe
[20:22] <alexroot> ieeeeeepa
[20:22] <alexroot> (q mal toy, Rdiox)
[20:23] <combinio> nosrednaekim: can u say it more accuracy where is that FEEDBACK ? :)) can't find it (non-english language on my kub :]
[20:23] <Tm_T> alexroot: english, thank you
[20:23] <combinio> nosrednaekim: i'm in Appearance but there is no feedback nowhere ://
[20:23] <nosrednaekim> combinio: run the command "kcontrol" and go to appearance in there.
[20:24] <spykedtomato> thumper: other than that i use easytag to tag all my mp3s
[20:24] <combinio> nosrednaekim: got that :))
[20:25] <su|> hi
[20:25] <alexroot> ai gente d l'aspaña profunda?
[20:25] <combinio> nosrednaekim: it is called - "jumping coursor" :)  /  got that :)) thanks :}
[20:25] <CygnusX1> Hello.  Can anyone point me to a location containing the most recent information concerning sleep/hibernate issues introduced with 7.10? (7.04 was flawless on my laptop)
[20:26] <nosrednaekim> combinio: and there is no "lauch feedback" there? a little rocket?
[20:26] <CygnusX1> I am currently following a thread on launchpad that indicates this was a well known issue during Gutsy beta and was not resolved before release.
[20:27] <combinio> nosrednaekim: hhmm... i made it kControl >> Appearance >> launchong programms >> and there is icon "cahnge coursor" - so i set on Don't change the coursor - before it was "jumping coursor". now it's okay :)
[20:28] <alexroot> juas, m acabo d dar cuenta q m'edejao 90 euros en gasofa en diciembre ... coño, tendre q ir a pata
[20:28] <stdin> !es | alexroot
[20:28] <ubotu> alexroot: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:28] <_Angelus_> man
[20:28] <alexroot> stdin !! HOLA !
[20:28] <_Angelus_> can someone answer me :(
[20:28] <combinio> nosrednaekim: oh right! now i know what mean 'Feedback' ;P
[20:28] <nosrednaekim> CygnusX1: yeah, its a problem with the kernel and ATI or Nvidia drivers
[20:28] <nosrednaekim> combinio: yep :)
[20:29] <combinio> nosrednaekim: thanks for help ;))
[20:29] <_Angelus_> i want to update my nvidia drivers
[20:29] <_Angelus_> is it posible on kubuntu or no?
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> !nvidia
[20:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[20:29] <_Angelus_> i want to update to the latest version
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> why?
[20:29] <_Angelus_> its the only way to use the package from nvidia.com
[20:29] <_Angelus_> because some bugs where fixed
[20:29] <_Angelus_> that are anoying me on compiz
[20:30] <stdin> _Angelus_: instructions to install the binary driver from nvidia.com are also linked to on that page
[20:30] <nosrednaekim> then yeah.... the only way is from the package on nvidia. but there are instructions on that wiki page
[20:30] <_Angelus_> so thats the only way to update?
[20:30] <nosrednaekim> stdin: heh... did you see yuriy's work on Adept for KDE4?
[20:30] <teknoprep> hey all
[20:30] <shadowhywind> hay all, question for you all if i wanted something to be modprobed on startup what file would i edit, *i so can't think of the name at the moment*
[20:30] <teknoprep> what is the script that auto detects your xorg settings?
[20:30] <teknoprep> on install
[20:31] <stdin> nosrednaekim: yeah, it's progressing well (I guess). I took one look at the code and want "Ahhhhhh!" :p
[20:31] <nosrednaekim> stdin: haha
[20:32] <CygnusX1> nosrednaekim: Damn it.  Now neither Vista nor Kubuntu are useable on my laptop.  haha Funny hting with Vista....sleep/hiber worked fine in beta1,b2, rc1,rc2...final release BAM.  This is what got me using Fiesty on my lappy.
[20:32] <_Angelus_> and shoukd i remove kubuntu's driver first? before installing the one from nvidia.com?
[20:32] <nosrednaekim> shadowhywind: /etc/modules
[20:33] <stdin> _Angelus_: that would probably be a good idea
[20:33] <awen_> CygnusX1: look forward to hardy... the 2.6.24 kernel does a much better job for sleeping/hibernation
[20:34] <nosrednaekim> CygnusX1: keep using fiesty for a couple more months..
[20:34] <CygnusX1> Would just recompiling the eixsting kernel using slub instead of slab (or vice versa) do the trick?
[20:35] <nosrednaekim> CygnusX1: yeah.. there was something about recompiling the kernel....
[20:35] <nosrednaekim> with some option enabled.
[20:35] <su|> since my last update I have a problem getting knetworkmanager to work with my wireless connection. it's a ipw2200 chipset and the kernelmodules ieee80211, ieee80211_crypt and ipw2200 are loaded. iwconfig tells me there's a device eth1 with an unassociated ESSID:"myESSID". when I try to get an IP with dhclient I get the "No DHCPOFFERS received". if i try to set a static IP manually i get no connection. can anyone help me?
[20:36] <nosrednaekim> su|: is your wireless switch on?
[20:36] <CygnusX1> I frequently customize the kernel on Slackware on my desktop.  Are they any special Kubuntu hoops to jump trhough when compiling one's own kernel? (a modern guide to doing it the Kubuntu way perhaps?)
[20:36] <awen_> CygnusX1: i don't think it would do everything... 2.6.22 is somewhat "broken" with regards to hibernate/sleeping
[20:36] <nosrednaekim> sounds like your radio is disabled. run "iwlist eth1 scan"
[20:36] <nosrednaekim> CygnusX1: not that I know of..
[20:37] <su|> nosrednaekim: yes, if i switch it off iwconfig ttells me "radio off"
[20:37] <nosrednaekim> su|: oh..ok
[20:37] <nosrednaekim> what does iwlist eth1 scan say su| ?
[20:38]  * awen_ runs hardy alpha, and has a more stable suspend/resume than both feisty and gutsy
[20:39] <CygnusX1> awen_: If I add the alpha repository and upgrade gutsy, can I expect huge problems upgrading to hardy final?
[20:39] <su|> nosrednaekim: a lot. it found some cells with different wireless networks. one of them is my network
[20:39] <nosrednaekim> su|: ok, great.... do you have encryption?
[20:40] <CygnusX1> Wow.  It is frustrating seeing this issue discussed for months before the final release. :-(
[20:40] <awen_> CygnusX1: you shouldn't expect huge problems doing the final upgrade... but expect a lot of problems in the meantime; it is alpha after all
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> CygnusX1: upgrading from a hardy alpha to the final is painless and probably pretty safe
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> its what I did for gutsy
[20:41] <su|> nosrednaekim: yes, WPA with pre-shared keys
[20:41] <CygnusX1> awen_: How are things working for you?  I need wire networking, Firfox, Openoffice, and Truecrypt running.
[20:41] <emilsedgh> !adeptfix
[20:41] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[20:41] <shadowhywind_> hay all i have a fat32 partition on an external hdd, when i boot into a qtparted live cd to copy the entire partition to a different hardrive, It wont paste it. Any ideas?
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> su|: ouch..... and knetworkmanager isn't working at all?
[20:42] <su|> nosrednaekim: it worked till my last update.
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> su|: did that update have a kernel?
[20:43] <awen_> CygnusX1: i haven't had any serious problems yet; most of them is just cosmetic... but i would recommend stay using kde 3.5.x and not kde4 yet
[20:43] <su|> nosrednaekim: maybe, I'm not sure. is there an aptitude/adept logfile?
[20:43] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I think there is a dpkg log file in /var/log
[20:43] <nosrednaekim> but unfortunately, I have to go.
[20:43] <su|> nosrednaekim: I ran update-modules with the new kernel, but that didn't change anything
[20:44] <CygnusX1> awen_: Thank you.  It won't kill me to try it.  If it doesn't work out, I shall jsut revert to Fiesty image (thank good ness I imaged before going gibbon!)
[20:44] <su|> nosrednaekim: have a nice evening
[20:45] <basy> hi du you know any tutorial on web how to change default ubuntu nvidia driver to original nvidia..., I need turn off X-server first, and do it with terminal, and i don't know how to ...
[20:45] <awen_> CygnusX1: check that you get the new 2.6.24 kernel automatically... if not you need to install the deb packages manually using adept
[20:46] <shadowhywind_> basy have you downloaded the nvidia driver yet?
[20:46] <awen_> CygnusX1: but then i'll welcome you to hardy :)
[20:46] <basy> yes
[20:47] <CygnusX1> :-)  Thank you
[20:47] <shadowhywind_> have you installed it yet? or is that what your stuck on?
[20:47] <_Angelus_> why i do only have "Load GLX" in my Modules section of xorg.conf ?
[20:47] <_Angelus_> :/
 when i run ./install => stops on the beginig and tels me to turn off x-server
[20:48] <shadowhywind_> ok log out to take you back to the login screen, you should see something a button for sessons click that and chose console
[20:48] <su|> which command do I have to run after a new kernel was installed? my wireless connection does not work any more. is there something I have to do after installing a new kernel?
 thnx i'll try
[21:04] <su|> by
[21:09] <yereth> hi guys
[21:09] <yereth> what was the fancy theme manager for KDE called again?
[21:11] <xtas> What other system monitors for desktop is out there except conky?
[21:14] <phoenixz> Hi there, I have a laptop (dell latitude d620) with a video out, which can show a desktop on a secondary monitor.. The problem is that this video out is not working. I want to show presentations on that video out, but how do I enable it?
[21:15] <NickPresta> xtas, superkaramba has a few applets that show system information.
[21:15] <JohnKirro> anyone know why a data dvd burned using k3b would work in one windows xp machine and not another?
[21:15] <xtas> NickPresta: thanks. that was the one I was looking for.
[21:16] <BluesKaj> !dual head
[21:16] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[21:17] <limac> hey, what compiler in kubuntu should I use for fortran?
[21:18] <JohnKirro> !fortran
[21:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fortran - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:18] <NickPresta> limac, I would use g77.
[21:19] <limac> should what's the command
[21:19] <NickPresta> limac, it depends if you're using fortran 77 or 95.
[21:19] <limac> either
[21:19] <NickPresta> limac, then g77 is probably best. sudo apt-get install g77
[21:20] <limac> and for 95?
[21:20] <NickPresta> sudo apt-get install gfortran
[21:21] <limac> and to compile the file
[21:21] <NickPresta> limac, you're going to have to read the man pages or find some resources on the web :)
[21:21] <limac> like for c++ "g++ -o name name.cpp
[21:21] <NickPresta> limac, g77 is part of the gcc suite so I would imagine it's similar
[21:22] <limac> allright thx I'll check the internet for the rest! :D
[21:22] <limac> NickPresta ^^^^^^^^6
[21:22] <NickPresta> :)
[21:25] <intelikey> i seem to be banned from #ubuntu.   looks like there was a bot invation
[21:25] <intelikey> anyway   anyone want to help trubble shoot a network malidy ?
[21:28] <intelikey> i'm loosing contunity through a single box,  i can ping both networks on that box from either network, but i can't get past the box itself.   not sure what's wrong  route gateway settings or iptables packet forwarding...  i'm clueless on networks...
[21:28] <phoenixz> !aptfix
[21:28] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[21:35] <limac> NickPresta: are fortran 90 and 95 the same?
[21:36] <limac> !gfortran
[21:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gfortran - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:47] <Verr> '
[21:47] <Mr_Sonoma> any hear when the flash plug in is supposed to be fixed? an expected time frame?
[21:50] <enry> good night
[21:55] <TimS> The command line command "at" doesnt seem to work for me, anyone have it working?
[21:56] <ardchoille> "at"  ?
[21:56] <ardchoille> TimS: Can you give an example?
[21:56] <TimS> at 21:59
[21:56] <intelikey> is the deamon running ?
[21:56] <intelikey> and it requires an executable to run.
[21:56] <intelikey> man at
[21:57] <TimS> I think so. The command is added to the que, and it dissapears from the que
[21:57] <ardchoille> Whoa, I didn't know about that.
[21:57] <TimS> I typed "at 21:59"
[21:57] <TimS> kate
[21:57] <TimS> ^D
[21:57] <TimS> It added it to the que, when the time came, kate diddn't run, what am I doing wrong intelikey
[21:57] <intelikey> TimS 21:59 is not a command.   man at
[21:58] <TimS> I know its not!
[21:58] <TimS> The next line is for the user input
[21:58] <TimS> "at 21:59" enter
[21:58] <TimS> "kate" enter
[21:58] <TimS> ^D
[21:59] <TimS> I entered it perfectly fine, but it diddn't appear to work
[21:59] <TimS> How can I check if the deamon is running intelikey?
[22:01] <awen_> TimS:
[22:01] <sourcemaker> TimS: top
[22:01] <awen_> TimS: i don't think it is possible to use graphical programs
[22:02] <TimS> awen_: Hmm? I thought it would run any command. Ill try a different command then, hold on.
[22:03] <awen_> i tried executing 'echo "hi" >> ~/test' which works fine... but kate doesn't
[22:03] <TimS> Okay.
[22:04] <TimS> that worked for me also
[22:06] <awen_> :)
[22:06] <juan> ive overwritten part of a ext3 partition is there anyway to restore data that wasnt erased?
[22:06] <TimS> Not sure how much use it is then awen_ :P
[22:07] <awen_> TimS: good for task like backing up, syncing etc., which most often can be done from the command-line
[22:08] <awen_> you might need to telle kate a
[22:09] <awen_> at which xdisplay it should start
[22:09] <brad__> i need some help
[22:11] <brad__> im new to linux and i need some help with konsole
[22:12] <intelikey> say it.
[22:12] <brad__> please
[22:12] <intelikey> !ask
[22:12] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[22:13] <intelikey> and some that don't know may also answer
[22:14] <Viking667> hello. I've got a question. I want to turn OFF launch feedback icon on the pointer when a program starts up. I've looked through all the kcontrol sections. (kubuntu 7.04)
[22:14] <Viking667> ... and I haven't found anything relating to launch feedback.
[22:15] <intelikey> Viking667 it's hiden in the kcontrol some place.
[22:15] <jussi01> !away > gauravvijay
[22:16] <intelikey> look for keyword bounc
[22:17] <snarkster> hi there, Ive got a question changing properties on another panel that I added.
[22:18] <jussi01> snarkster: ask the question!
[22:18] <juan> snarkster: try using control pannel
[22:18] <snarkster> oh
[22:18] <awen_> Viking667: under mouse "Visual feedback on activation" ?
[22:18] <snarkster> well i dont have control panel
[22:18] <juan> erm i mean system settings
[22:19] <snarkster> Im trying to hide a new panel i moved to the top of the page.
[22:19] <intelikey> now wasn't that fun....
[22:19] <Viking667> I tried searching for "launch", got 0 hits.
[22:19] <brad__> i have idea how to use konsole i am triying to find a folder
[22:19] <jussi01> snarkster: you ned to restart the panel  before it will show the dropdown to change the panel you just created
[22:19] <intelikey> i tried starting xorg so i conld help you look and lost all display.
[22:20] <snarkster> how do you restart the panel?
[22:20] <intelikey> guess i better fix that.
[22:20] <intelikey> killall kicker ;kicker
[22:20] <Viking667> I'll try that then. Thank you. It's not where I thought it was, nor named what I thought it was.
[22:20] <intelikey> in the alt+f2
[22:20] <jussi01> brad__: what are you looking for?
[22:21] <awen_> Viking667: try to see if it works... was the best shot i could find
[22:21] <intelikey> brad__ ls ~= dir    cp ~= copy    rm ~= del   <<< some dos rough equivalents
[22:22] <snarkster> awesome it hides
[22:22] <bmk789>  is $400 good for a PC with AMD X2 3600+, 1GB DDR2-800, 7300LE, 160GB, DVDRW?
[22:22] <brad__> i download flash player plugin and it is on my desktop and do not know what to tipe in to view the files in the desktop
[22:22] <snarkster> thank you very much
[22:22] <intelikey> snarkster kicker can hid yes.  can be most anywhere and any size.
[22:22] <jussi01> brad__: cd Desktop
[22:22] <bmk789> oops, wrong channed
[22:22] <bmk789> channel*
[22:22] <bmk789> :P
[22:22] <gustavo> hola a todos
[22:23] <jussi01> !es | gustavo
[22:23] <ubotu> gustavo: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[22:23] <intelikey> brad__  ls ~/Desktop   to view them
[22:24] <xxyy>  I've a quetion on dolphin. Is it the right site to answer?
[22:24] <jussi01> xxyy: go ahead
[22:24] <intelikey> the tild "~" always expands to your home dirrectory.  and you desktop dir is in your home dir.
[22:24] <intelikey> err i should say should always expant to $HOME
[22:24] <Viking667> nope, wasn't that one 8-(
[22:25] <jussi01> Viking667: what are you looking for
[22:26] <xxyy> jussi01: when i open dolphin file manager, in the storage media menu i see all the hard disk and cd, but i don't find the floppy disk icon
[22:26] <brad__> -they are not working
[22:26] <intelikey> wel i'm in the dark again.   back in a bit.
[22:26] <jussi01> brad__: you need to have the capitals correct - did you?
[22:27] <jussi01> brad__: it should be: cd Desktop
[22:27] <brad__> no now it worked thant you
[22:27] <jussi01> :)
[22:27] <SpinBoson> Anyone happen to know where I can find the 3ddesktop package?
[22:28] <intelikey> back.
[22:28] <jussi01> SpinBoson: exactly what do you mean?
[22:28] <jussi01> this?
[22:28] <jussi01> !compiz | SpinBoson
[22:28] <ubotu> SpinBoson: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[22:29] <SpinBoson> I think compiz is something else... I could be wrong though
[22:29] <jussi01> SpinBoson: can you explain a little more?
[22:30] <SpinBoson> I have an annoying ATI card which makes beryl basically impossible. I found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=368142 which has some of the neat features, and it mentions a package known as 3ddesktop
[22:30] <Viking667> FOUND it!!!!!
[22:30] <jussi01> !nickspam > B4S3M
[22:30] <Viking667> had to turn on a extra menu entry on the Kicker's Menu: "Settings"
[22:31] <tinin> How do I change file associations in firefox, (to open a file with a different program)?
[22:31] <jussi01> !xgl | SpinBoson
[22:31] <ubotu> SpinBoson: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[22:31] <jussi01> gah
[22:31] <xxyy> jussi01: have you an idea
[22:31] <jussi01> SpinBoson: go have a look at that guide - it has stuff about xgl
[22:31] <jussi01> xxyy: no
[22:32] <B4S3M> i need a universal media player for kubuntu
[22:32] <xxyy> jussi01:ok
[22:32] <jussi01> B4S3M: VLC
[22:32] <jussi01> !info vlc | B4S3M
[22:32] <ubotu> b4s3m: vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release.c-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 1134 kB, installed size 3228 kB
[22:32] <xxyy> jussi01:probably is a too symple question
[22:32] <SpinBoson> jussi01: That guide just tells me how to install compiz
[22:32] <xxyy> jussi01:thanks
[22:32] <jussi01> SpinBoson: does it not have stuff about installing xgl also?
[22:33] <B4S3M> jussi01: canit run aXXo formats ?
[22:33] <SpinBoson> jussi01: No.
[22:33] <SpinBoson> jussi01: Does compiz run on the default ati driver?
[22:33] <jussi01> B4S3M: not sure - but i can run everything Ive thrown at it
[22:33] <jussi01> SpinBoson: with the help of xgl it should
[22:33] <jussi01> afaik
[22:34] <SpinBoson> jussi01: How do I find out if xgl is installed?
[22:34] <SpinBoson> jussi01: Is it a package?
[22:34] <intelikey> K-rap!  i don't know what has gone bonkers with my display.  when xorg starts it's fine but when the de tries to start it goes all black and that's that until ruboot.   </blinks>
[22:34] <jussi01> SpinBoson: one moment please
[22:34] <SpinBoson> aye
[22:35] <jussi01> SpinBoson: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusionATI?highlight=%28CategoryDocumentation%29
[22:36] <jussi01> Ok, Im off to bed. night all
[22:37] <xxyy> jussi01: good niught
[22:38] <intelikey> ok i have a working xorg.  now to test the users de
[22:38] <intelikey> nope.  blind again.
[22:39] <limac> what is the extension for a fortran file in kate?
[22:40] <limac> </blinks?
[22:40] <unix_infidel> limac: depends.
[22:40] <unix_infidel> fortran files are non kate specific.
[22:40] <limac> example?
[22:40] <unix_infidel> most likely it's file.f
[22:40] <limac> ah! anymore
[22:41] <limac> like for fortan 95
[22:41] <unix_infidel> dunno. i havent used fortran in a long time.
[22:41] <limac> or 90
[22:41] <unix_infidel> i dont think i want to learn fortran either.
[22:41] <limac> that's allright, thx a lot
[22:42] <unix_infidel> limac: iirc the versions are just appened as a suffix onto the file name.
[22:42] <unix_infidel> f90, f70, f95
[22:42] <xxyy> when i open dolphin file manager, in the storage media menu i see all the hard disk and cd, but i don't find the floppy disk icon
[22:42] <gauravvijay> .for is also used
[22:42] <unix_infidel> ^^, indeed.
[22:42] <limac> ah! thx unix_infidel
[22:42] <limac> thx
[22:43] <intelikey> /quit .
[22:43] <intelikey> mc
[22:43] <intelikey> ~aumi
[22:43] <intelikey> q
[22:43] <intelikey> exit
[22:44] <limac> and also what command should be executed to run them vial the terminal?
[22:51] <limac> anyone using hardy kubuntu?
[22:51] <limac> liking i?
[22:53] <marius__> hi to all
[22:54] <unix_infidel> well piss on my mac tablet expectations.
[22:54] <unix_infidel> http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/01/02/new-apple-notebook-spotted-we-told-you-so/
[22:57] <brad__> ok when i could some call me or go into privet to help me i am very lost
[23:03] <nivek> !ask | brad__
[23:03] <ubotu> brad__: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[23:05] <brad__> i enterd cd Desktop in konsole and i still can not see the files on my desktop
[23:05] <Mr_Sonoma> brad__, type ls
[23:05] <gauravvijay> try ls
[23:06] <xxyy> when i open dolphin file manager, in the storage media menu i see all the hard disk and cd, but i don't find the floppy disk icon
[23:07] <phoenixz> Hi there, I have a dell latitude d620 laptop which has an intel 945 chipset, and I want to user the external video.. How can I configure X to do this? Some people pointed me to xinerama and this link (http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead) but it doesnt really work what is said there.. Could anybody here helpe me out?
[23:07] <unix_infidel> phoenixz: you mean the webcam or an external screen?
[23:08] <phoenixz> unix_infidel, this laptop does not have a webcam.. I have an external monitor connected (a projector) and I need to show presentations on that external monitor
[23:08] <djdarkman> hello, can someone help me out with installing a newer version of the ati driver? I installed it but I get strange errors
[23:08] <unix_infidel> phoenixz: fn+f8
[23:08] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: what errors?
[23:09] <djdarkman> like this
[23:09] <djdarkman> Checking for nVidia: not present.
[23:09] <djdarkman> Checking for FBConfig: Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[23:09] <phoenixz> unix_infidel, tried that, but does not work... doesnt do anything
[23:09] <djdarkman> segfault erros simply just don`t give a clue to me
[23:09] <unix_infidel> phoenixz: works fine with every dell i've tried, pastebin your xorg.conf ---> rafb.net/paste
[23:09] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: compiz?
[23:09] <phoenixz> unix_infidel, sure, one sec
[23:10] <djdarkman> yes
[23:10] <djdarkman> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide
[23:10] <unix_infidel> phoenixz: also make sure all necessary acpi and button components are installad and working.
[23:10] <djdarkman> used this to install the drivers
[23:10] <phoenixz> unix_infidel, right back.. the X session I got right now is messed up, no mouse, its difficult to copy paste
[23:10] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: hmm... do normal 3d apps work?
[23:11] <djdarkman> nosrednaekim: does glxgears count?
[23:11] <brad__> when i type cd Desktop ls and type ./install-flashplayer-9 i get bash: ./install_flash_player_9_linux: is a directory
[23:11] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: yes...
[23:11] <djdarkman> nosrednaekim:
[23:11] <djdarkman> djdarkman@Darknet2:~$ fgl_glxgears
[23:11] <djdarkman> Using GLX_SGIX_pbuffer
[23:11] <djdarkman> Segmentation fault
[23:11] <Mr_Sonoma> brad__, what are you trying to do install flash?
[23:11] <brad__> yes
[23:11] <djdarkman> don`t understand why segfault... :(
[23:12] <phoenixz> unix_infidel, back
[23:12] <phoenixz> what ACPI and button things should be installed?
[23:12] <phoenixz> unix_infidel, pasting xorg.conf now
[23:12] <Mr_Sonoma> did you use tar to extract the files from the tarball?
[23:12] <dthacker-work> hi, I've just accidentally enabled some kind of keyboard gesture on my laptop that prevents me from typing.  How do I set it back?
[23:12] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: did you disable the included kernel driver?
[23:12] <Mr_Sonoma> oh....ok i see
[23:12] <djdarkman> yes, I`m taking a look at the xorg.conf because glxinfo reports no direct rendering
[23:13] <Mr_Sonoma> brad__, type cd install_flash_player_9
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: get rid of any composite disableing sections
[23:13] <Mr_Sonoma> brad__, type cd install_flash_player_9_linux
[23:13] <maria> ahoy, anyone here owns an iPod (nano...or any with recent firmware) and got amarok to work with it nice? (re: problem with new DB format...) I can't find a "bleeding edge" source for kubuntu packages
[23:13] <phoenixz> unix_infidel, http://rafb.net/p/R9gy2z85.html
[23:14] <djdarkman> nosrednaekim: done that, where can I add the Direct rendering in xorg.conf? because I get no direct rendering errors
[23:15] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: probably a kernel module conflict.... take a look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:15] <phoenixz> unix_infidel, I checked for button or acpi packages in adept, but I can't find any that would make sense in this context
[23:16] <Schuenemann> does anyone here use kile and know if it's possible to maximize the edit window/view?
[23:17] <djdarkman> (II) fglrx(0): driver needs X.org 7.1.x.y with x.y >= 0.0
[23:17] <djdarkman> (II) fglrx(0): detected X.org 7.1.0.0
[23:17] <djdarkman> (II) Loading extension ATIFGLRXDRI
[23:17] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: look for kernel module errors
[23:18] <djdarkman> how do they look like nosrednaekim? (the log is realy long)
[23:18] <martin_> hallo
[23:18] <brad__> how do i register my nickname so i can send privet messg
[23:19] <Schuenemann> /nickserv register password
[23:19] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: try "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep kernel"
[23:19] <andreas> hello
[23:19] <phoenixz> unix_infidel, AND BACK AGAIN
[23:19] <andreas> i am trying to add a file to a tar.gz file
[23:19] <andreas> using Arc
[23:19] <phoenixz> another X crash.. X is fun while experimenting
[23:19] <djdarkman> no errors
[23:19] <djdarkman> (II) fglrx(0): [drm] added 1 reserved context for kernel
[23:19] <djdarkman> (II) fglrx(0):     Desc: ATI FireGL DRM kernel module
[23:19] <andreas> but i don't know how to add a password
[23:20] <martin_> anyone could tell me how to install the divx webplayer for watching movies on stage6.com ?
[23:20] <andreas> can anyone help me?
[23:20] <Daisuke-Ido> use another format
[23:20] <Daisuke-Ido> rar would be best if you're insistent about password-protecting it
[23:20] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: hmm...ok, this is the 7.11 one, right? did you install it via autogenerated debs?
[23:20] <andreas> and what program should i use?
[23:21] <djdarkman> nosrednaekim: 7.12
[23:21] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: yeah... 7.12, i'm a bit behid ;)
[23:21] <gtt> i haven't been able to move windows by double clicking and dragging the title bar after renaming xorg.conf
[23:21] <gtt> anyone got any suggestions?
[23:21] <djdarkman> yes I installed it with autogenerated debs
[23:21] <Daisuke-Ido> i didn't say use a different program, i said use a different format.
[23:22] <Mr_Sonoma> brad__,  did you get it?
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: remove the debs and install via the "./drivername.run"method.
[23:23] <B4S3M> how can i play aXXo files on kubuntu :S
[23:23] <andreas> ok now i created a .tar file
[23:23] <andreas> but still how can i make it password protected?
[23:23] <phoenixz> unix_infidel, Are you still there?
[23:23] <djdarkman> ok nosrednaekim
[23:24] <djdarkman> btw nosrednaekim isn`t the deb way safer?
[23:24] <Daisuke-Ido> you cannot add a password to a tar file, this is why i said to use a *different format*
[23:24] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: not really,
[23:24] <andreas> how the heck do i do that?
[23:24] <Daisuke-Ido> the best you can do is set permissions so that others can't even see it.
[23:24] <nosrednaekim> I haven't heard of any problems useing the non-deb way. but everyone seems to have problems with the debs.
[23:25] <andreas> ok in windows you could make rar files that also have passwords for the files
[23:25] <Daisuke-Ido> rar, yes.
[23:25] <andreas> how can i do that in linux
[23:25] <andreas> ?
[23:25] <Daisuke-Ido> !rar
[23:25] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[23:27] <andreas> so what should i do now?
[23:28] <andreas> how do i set the permissions for the file?
[23:29] <ubuntu> o
[23:31] <Minataku> !pastebin
[23:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[23:32] <nivek> andreas: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[23:32] <Alonea> what would be a good channel for general computer help? i am confused on where I am supposed to put the thermal goo.
[23:34] <nivek> Alonea: This channel is for #kubuntu support. However, you may find this guide helpful: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/274 If it still doesn't answer your question, Google is your friend.
[23:34] <djdarkman> nosrednaekim: you were right, strange, last time I ran the driver it didn`t work and the deb generating mode worked... now it looks like it`s the oposite
[23:34] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: yep.
[23:34] <RytmenPinnen> Hi
[23:34] <nivek> RytmenPinnen: Hello
[23:34]  * RytmenPinnen have entered for some pointless ranting :P 
[23:35] <nivek> RytmenPinnen: This channel is for support. If you have a question, ask away. Otherwise, #kubuntu-offtopic is for general chatting (or ranting, I suppose, if you prefer).
[23:35] <RytmenPinnen> the thing is, Deluge is awesome, I switched from Ktorrent cause it ate about 20% of my cpu power for some reason, But
[23:35] <RytmenPinnen> gaaaaaaaaaaah
[23:35] <RytmenPinnen> wrong channel again
[23:38] <RytmenPinnen> sry about that :P, byeee
[23:42] <Alonea> nivek: thanks. that page helps a lot. bad thing with laptops is everything is smaller and I havenever done this before.
[23:51] <B4S3M> i need to run aXXo file on Kubuntu
[23:53] <nivek> B4S3M: Do you mean an aXXo .avi movie file?
[23:57] <nivek> B4S3M: If so, have you tried playing it using VLC?