[05:35] <troy_s> DID I JUST READ THAT EMAIL ON THE LIST?
[05:35] <troy_s> grr.
[06:38] <melaren> If you send a message to ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com without signing up does it still send to the list?
[07:15] <troy_s> melaren: It sits in a slush until an admin visually filters it iirc.
[07:15] <troy_s> melaren: If you want to be certain the list gets the message, the only way that I know of is to sign up for the list.
[07:24] <troy_s> melaren: That help?
[07:59] <melaren> troy_s, Sure does, thanks!
[09:12] <yoshiznit124> has anyone considered incorporating the release's animal (like a heron) into the default wallpaper?
[09:37] <BHSPitLappy> I CANNOT BELIEVE WE FORGOT TO CONSIDER THAT
[10:08] <BHSPitLappy> troy_s, what post enraged you so?
[10:09] <troy_s> BHSPitLappy: just the same old rubbish.
[10:09] <troy_s> BHSPitLappy: and lol to your last comment.
[10:09] <troy_s> BHSPitLappy: I was rather disappointed for having wasted Justin's time with the list.
[10:10] <BHSPitLappy> this Gelatin business doesn't do anything for me
[10:10] <BHSPitLappy> it's very well-polished-looking though
[10:11] <BHSPitLappy> never mind, mockups can't be polished
[10:35] <troy_s> BHSPitLappy: What gelatin link?
[10:36] <BHSPitLappy> troy_s, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/gelatin
[10:36] <BHSPitLappy> it's on the top of the linux section of digg
[10:37] <troy_s> BHSPitCSP: I thought the choice of wallpapers has been getting closer to Ubuntu however -- the grain from Ken's effort.  Laren's submission is marred by the fact that the tonal range is balanced out with the natural greens in the snapshots -- a bit of a cheat.  The wall alone (with theme details) is back into the monotone mode slightly (not _quite_ as bad as Ubuntu default)
[10:37] <troy_s> BHSPitLappy: It is probably the best wallpaper choice thematically.  That said, everything is very 'bloaty' fat.
[10:38] <troy_s> Not quite pulling along the 'elegant' line from my guesswork.
[10:38] <troy_s> and of course i find the tango bits naff as hell.
[10:39] <troy_s> but with kwwii's monochromatics and a few twiddles, that would be about 1000000 times better than where ubuntu currently is at.
[10:39] <lapo> hi
[10:44] <troy_s> lapo: Greetz lapo!
[10:48] <troy_s> wholly crap.
[10:48] <troy_s> darn... where is Toma.
[10:48] <troy_s> I laugh out loud when I look at that bug of his.
[10:48] <troy_s> Too bloody funny.
[10:48] <troy_s> It is like some pothead jailbird bug.
[10:48] <troy_s> Hilarious.
[18:52] <Xadacka> Hello World
[18:59] <Xadacka> Hey anyone here?
[19:13] <troy_s> Xadacka: possibly.
[19:13] <troy_s> Xadacka: What's up Xadacka
[19:13] <troy_s> ?
[19:47] <rainwalker> Just popping in to say that it IS possible to be modern WITHOUT using gloss: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Union_v0-2.jpg
[20:15] <thorwil> wow. good thing he popped in!!
[20:52] <troy_s> thorwil: Phew.  You missed another helpful guy earlier... I'll copy and paste to share the wisdom...
 has anyone considered incorporating the release's animal (like a heron) into the default wallpaper?
[20:53] <troy_s>  /join #jadedfeckerclub
[20:53] <thorwil> wow!
[20:53] <troy_s> thorwil: WOW
[20:53] <troy_s> thorwil: Let me look deeper into rainwalker's thinking...
[20:54] <thorwil> troy_s: wait, wait, we could combine that_ a non-glossy heron
[20:54] <troy_s> thorwil: GLOSS = MODERN
[20:54] <troy_s> thorwil: Which about tells you the validity of the statement to begin with.
[20:54] <Tm_T> troy_s: true
[20:54] <troy_s> thorwil: WOOO WHAT ABOUT A GLOSSY HERON!
[20:54] <thorwil> troy_s: no problem, i think we are in the post pots modern era
[20:54] <troy_s> modern!
[20:55] <troy_s> I unfortunately end up sounding like someone who believes that gloss is the sole root of Ubuntu's problem (which has been actually gone for a bit -- but seems to pop up in every tacky mock I see)
[20:55] <troy_s> Glossy is symptomatic.  It still leaves us as we are now -- without style.
[20:55] <troy_s> (in addition to a few other intangibles such as context, audience, motif, thematic, etc.)
[20:56] <troy_s> Does anyone see an interesting 'style' developing out there in the wild?
[20:56] <troy_s> thorwil: LOL -- wtf is "PostPotsModern" LOL -- I love it.
[20:57] <thorwil> troy_s: the pots was meant to be a second post
[20:57] <troy_s> "We aren't po-mo, we are po-pot-mo."
[20:57] <troy_s> i know
[20:57] <troy_s> it looks better as pots!
[20:57] <thorwil> troy_s: well, post modernism needs closure, but what comes afterwards?
[20:58] <troy_s> thorwil: Modernism got closure.  Post-Modernism.  But a good question.  I suppose we have been stuck in Post-Modernism-Oops-Britney-Spearsism for a while.
[20:58] <thorwil> oopism!
[20:59] <troy_s> thorwil: In our world, something like a neo-ren (done 19th late cen to early 20th) or neo-romaticism.
[20:59] <troy_s> probably most appropriate.
[20:59] <thorwil> how dare firefox freeze when i'm writing  a post pots modern post!
[21:00] <troy_s> unfortunately we have not enough style or class to get anywhere close to that just yet.  we need a bastion of style and class to have a bloody movement.  we are a _wee_ tad off from that.
[21:00] <troy_s> lol
[21:00] <thorwil> troy_s: isn't neo-romaticism an aspect of post modernism?
[21:00] <troy_s> thorwil: Po-mo gets thrown around just about everywhere.
[21:00] <troy_s> thorwil: From the time I was in school, I can honestly say that it has gotten even cloudier than when it started.
[21:01] <thorwil> heh yeah, another term that is everyones bitch, if i may say :)
[21:03] <troy_s> thorwil: Probably apt.  When I was studying, po-mo had elements of what is commonplace today -- the idea of the subject involvement / third wall removal and non-linear was rather hip (especially in novels)
[21:04] <troy_s> thorwil: Memento was sort of a 'mainstream' po-mo example, followed up by a far more adept 21Grams (although still rather bound up in narrative linearism).  Of course anyone from Europe familiar with decent cinema could probably cite a few auteurs who were doing that sort of thing before those hit mainline.
[21:04] <thorwil> the way i got to know it was taking modern lines and adding stuff in eclectic ways
[21:06]  * thorwil goes on a 3rd try to post a picture
[21:08] <thorwil> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/01/02/ubuntu-brainstorm-5/
[21:08] <thorwil> not too happy, but had to try it
[21:10] <troy_s> yeah i don't know if I could say that was po -mo... most of what i "know" as po-mo is somewhere between dadaist / surrealist meets "trendy".
[21:11] <troy_s> it is something like imagining a pop-culture sales brochure or building architecture warped out in some way that makes it almost unattractive to that very audience.
[21:11] <troy_s> i remember someone pointed me to a good gallery on po-mo stuffs... i wonder if i could find it.
[21:12] <thorwil> i'll be off in seconds
[21:12] <troy_s> thorwil: Ditto...
[21:13] <troy_s> this to me is rather po-mo
[21:13] <troy_s> http://www.whitelead.com/jrh/screenshots/cafeteria.JPG
[21:14] <thorwil> jepp, i can agree to that :)
[21:14] <troy_s> http://www.whitelead.com/jrh/screenshots/
[21:14] <troy_s> he did a whole series... rather... good commentary.
[21:14] <thorwil> troy_s: i know a video in that style
[21:14] <thorwil> troy_s: gotta run, see you!
[21:14] <troy_s> thorwil: Ciao thorwil
[21:25] <lassegul_> :q!
[21:54] <_MMA_> http://betatype.com/node/36