[00:19] stdin called the ops in #ubuntu (inktree flood) [00:20] you can probably ignore that now [00:20] or not :) [00:21] lag from hell [00:21] :) [00:23] lag indeed [00:24] forwarded javaJake here after his thread [00:24] threat * [00:24] joined #ubuntu [00:24] Seveas, you want abuse!? ;) [00:24] * poing\moinch has quit ("Ex-Chat") [00:24] I'll show you abuse if you want some! :P [00:24] he's still in #ubuntu though [00:24] err [00:24] Heheheh [00:24] Hello guys [00:24] :D [00:24] Mez, please read the lines before that [00:24] I was messing with the guy :) [00:24] Mind givin' me a helpin' hand back into that channel? [00:25] Seveas, I understand that, but still, making a threat against the channel ... [00:25] isn't good, hence the forward here [00:25] javaJake, you can come back [00:25] yes [00:25] javaJake, be careful what you say ;) [00:25] Mez, I didn't see it as a threat [00:25] just an attempt to outwit me [00:25] It came across as a threat to me ;) but I read the above, hence why I forwarded here [00:26] rather than just a k/b [02:03] IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu (poo_naani ( offensive nick )) [02:06] Amaranth, changed the ban so he can rejoin if he changes nick ;) [02:06] alright [02:09] .wn 104 [02:09] * Dave2 stabs hands. [02:10] * nalioth tosses the Dave2 hands in the meat grinder [02:10] noooo [02:11] PurpZeY called the ops in #ubuntu (offensive name) [02:14] *sigh* === crd1b is now known as crdlb === di[a]fic is now known as Diafic [04:28] Trying to install flash under 64bit. [04:28] It keeps saying "Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' is already installed" [04:29] But When I refresh the page/restart the browser, it wants me to install it again [04:29] this is not a support channel [04:29] !support | Diafic [04:29] Diafic: the official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org [04:29] I tried joining it. [04:29] I came here. [04:30] * #ubuntu #ubuntu-ops :Forwarding to another channel [04:30] It did it again [04:30] Ah. [04:30] That means you're banned. [04:30] Most likely. [04:30] ... [04:31] Every day I hate this community more and more. [04:31] that'd explain the ban [04:31] Well, he is a Debian person. [04:31] [2008-02-01 05:30:55 CET] [freenode] -!- channels : #ubuntu-ops #linuxactionshow #debian #lugradio #php-gtk #compiz-fusion ##php [04:31] :P [04:31] 2008-01-01T16:16:57 *** di[a]fic (di[a]fic!i=bnc@81.171.136.146) has left #ubuntu (requested by ompaul: " please don't nick change in #ubuntu") [04:31] ah-hah [04:32] ah, away spam [04:32] Is it in the bantracker? [04:32] * MenZa knows nothing about it, except that it exists. [04:32] yeah [04:32] hmm [04:44] morron [04:46] Myrtti: did you mean 'moran' ? [04:46] * nalioth runs [04:49] förlåt, ordet 'moran' finns inte. Menade du morot - carrot, Mora - a town known for thein knives, eller morgon - morning [04:50] Hvorfor taler du svensk, Myrtti? [04:51] * MenZa vidste ikke, at Myrtti kunne tale svensk. [04:51] >_> [05:00] ;-) [05:01] jack of all trades... [05:01] --> [05:02] Miia of all trades! [09:09] scguy318 called the ops in #ubuntu (inktree) [09:10] LjL: did you call me [09:10] oh my how the chanserv is ssslllluugggiish [09:12] it was very quick and resposive [09:13] for me I should say [09:20] ahaha [09:20] From Feedburner - "Your feed is so new, we're still playing with the bubble wrap." [09:20] Sooo like me. [12:25] tuna: Hello, how can we help today? [12:26] I accidentally changed nick in #ubuntu ( joined before had identified ), now I cannot join it [12:27] tuna: Okay, just be careful with needlesly changing your nick alot, okay? [12:27] tuna: you can rejoin it now. [12:27] k, will [12:31] tuna: you can usually set your client to auto-identify, too, [12:31] I have [12:32] it's a race condition :) [12:32] if someone has joined with name tuna, it will take a few seconds until I get it back [12:32] and in the meantime, I have autjoined ubuntu [12:32] that's nickserv for you :-) [12:33] anyway [12:34] Myrtti: btw I failed to make irssi to auto-identify :( [12:35] Tm_T: Just set a server password (at least for freenode) [12:36] Pici: hmmm, have to try that next time [12:36] Pici: thanks [12:36] Surely. [13:21] why are ops always paying me out in #kubuntu yet i help people all day more than most [13:22] the on topic policy is so ambiguous you could be talking about anything [13:22] flaccid: You and ActionParsnip were off-topic and were warned. [13:22] my point is that on topic and off topic are loosely defined [13:22] anythign could be related to ubuntu support [13:23] and i was talking about networking which is important to an ubuntu system [13:23] Were you answering or otherwise helping with an active support issue? [13:23] what do you mean [13:24] I don't know how to make that any more clear [13:24] yes i was [13:24] and please where is this defined in the guidelines specifically.. [13:25] Point number two. You were told you were off-topic but you chose to argue about that in the channel. [13:25] yes because its not well-defined [13:25] if it was, i would stay within the scope [13:26] The channel is not the place for that. [13:26] place for what sorry [13:26] ardchoille: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_of_discourse [13:26] flaccid: As the guidelines say, "Recommendations from channel operators, including those stored in the channel bots, should be followed." [13:27] jussi01: yes and i do that regularly, sweet [13:27] flaccid: Also, have you read this: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct [13:27] i also spend hours doing advanced support in th channel which cannnot be supported by ubotu or the doco resources.. [13:27] yes i've read it all ardchoille. but you still cannot point me to something specific in it that i have breached. [13:28] Does that mean that you are somehow immune to the rest of the rules? [13:28] no it means the rules are subjective and not well-defined [13:30] flaccid, insulting ubuntu in ubuntu project channels is very very inconsiderate and disrespectful [13:30] as is swearing (even obfuscated or poorly spelled) [13:30] elkbuntu: there is no tone on the internet. i am not trying to insult anyone only improve the rules etc. [13:31] oh yay, flaccid here again. [13:31] flaccid, swearing doesnt have a tone. it doesnt matter to most people whether you say it happily or angrily [13:31] many people are told they are off topic when they believe they are on topic but don't have a document to work out if what they are saying is on topic or not.. [13:31] elkbuntu: don't scapegoat please [13:32] im hear to to define the rules more [13:32] not debate them [13:32] this is a common problem, its not just me [13:32] flaccid, i am not scapegoating. you are by trying to worm your way out of 'be respectful' and 'be considerate' [13:33] flaccid: Basically, you and ActionParsnip were just chatting about a random topic, when there was no active support question asked, and since it contained information about wireless you assumed it was on topic. Several people asked you to take it to another channel (since you weren't really answering a support question) and you refused. That violates the code of conduct. [13:33] a random topic. you are missing the point. what is on topic and what is not and where is it defined. it isn't..... [13:33] kubuntu uses wireless, does it not [13:33] !wireless [13:33] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [13:34] see [13:34] and wireless security is indeed an important topic [13:34] flaccid: That's not the point. The point is you weren't helping anyone with wireless, you were simply chatting about it. [13:34] flaccid, kubuntu support does not mean 'discussing anything and everything associated with kubuntu' it means 'supporting the use of kubuntu and the core/main applications' [13:35] ardchoille: thats fine, but where is this rule specifically defined in the guidelines. and yes i was helping, i was suggesting wpa because wep is now hackable... thats called support. [13:35] elkbuntu: then please include this in the guidelines. [13:35] flaccid, we are not going to write the topic of each of the 100 *buntu irc channels into the guidelines [13:35] i mean a lot of people use wireless on kubuntu, thats pretty 'core' is it not. lets be scientific about this , not subjective [13:36] the guidelines say to obey the /topic. that means you obey what is in the /topic at the time [13:36] elkbuntu: well thats where teh problem lies. people don't know the scope at all do they [13:36] flaccid: so as ubuntu machines uses power points, it's appropriate to discuss electrical wiring diagrams too? give me a break. [13:36] elkbuntu: thats a matter of interpretation [13:36] it's not [13:36] the scope of the channels are to support the ubuntu operating system [13:36] Hobbsee: thats my point. why get someone in trouble if the scope is not well defined [13:36] not discuss generic technologies [13:37] flaccid: by using common sense. [13:37] ikonia: i was supporting the ubuntu os. i was supporting wireless security which is quite important [13:37] common sense != common practice [13:37] i rest my case. [13:38] flaccid, you are not being constructive or reasonable. you've been around long enough to know what's right or wrong, and you've repeatedly disregarded it and tried to scapegoat flexibility. [13:38] *AHEM* Ok so to round up... flaccid you agree you were "offtopic" as dictated by the topic? [13:38] And you are just debating that the topic doesn't apply because there are other guidelines? [13:38] * flaccid waits to be pointed to a proper policy on what is on-topic and what is off-topic [13:38] flaccid: erm, as per the topic...doesn't support require asking a questoin - not just talking about wireless security? [13:38] [00:34] flaccid: That's not the point. The point is you weren't helping anyone with wireless, you were simply chatting about it. [13:39] Hobbsee: it could be either, thats why i am asking for a well defined document [13:39] * Topic for #kubuntu is: Official Kubuntu support [13:39] flaccid: define "support", please. [13:39] and yes i was supporting wireless security in kubuntu thank you kindly [13:40] flaccid: who had asked the question about wireless, and had they already seen their answer? [13:40] flaccid, #kubuntu is for support. ie, people go there, ask a question, and you answer them. [13:40] * Hobbsee notes that no one else seems to have a problem. [13:40] Now *I* think that is pretty simple, but I don't want you to have another chance to argue it. [13:41] apparently, it's just you who seems to have a problem following the guidelines in a support channel, like #kubuntu or #ubuntu [13:41] PriceChild, it would be a never ending discussion. he doesnt concede to logic at all. [13:41] which suggests that it's nto a problem with the guidelines itself, i'm afraid. [13:41] flaccid: if more users actually had a problem with it, yes. [13:41] flaccid: while you're the only one who appears to, no. [13:42] * Hobbsee would have thought "support" was fairly obvious. [13:42] we do not change rules because a handful out of thousands want to worm through loopholes [13:42] prevention by putting every possible topic in the #kubuntu topic is begging people like yourself to try the boundaries constantly [13:43] we already have that with o4o [13:43] funny, they don't come in here and do it, and they don't seem to have trouble obeying the current ops [13:43] !o4o [13:43] Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-ops. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks. [13:44] * Hobbsee concludes that you're trolling [13:45] sigh [13:45] idiot. [13:45] having fun there :p [13:46] Thank you all :) [13:47] yeah, thanks from me also. [13:47] tuna: Is there anything else we can help you with today? If not, see the topic regarding idlers, and have a good day. [14:05] ardchoille: hmm, he's banned here too :D [14:05] jpatrick: was. [14:05] Hobbsee: suddenly my /abr doesn't work [14:05] so like ardchoille whats the go with all this [14:05] Hobbsee: ah, missed that [14:06] once again i didn't break a rule [14:06] ... [14:06] jpatrick: be helpful and positive. that's in the freenode guidelines. [14:06] er, that's for flaccid [14:06] you do realise that im the main helper in #kubuntu atm ? [14:06] :) [14:06] i keep asking for specifics here and nobody can provide [14:07] flaccid: Like I said earlier. Being helpful doesn't mean that you are immune to the channel rules. [14:07] Pici: as i said before, nobody has pointed me to anything specific in the rules that i have breached. [14:07] which is quite lame [14:07] flaccid: Plese tell me how your last few remarks were of benefit to #kubuntu [14:08] ardchoille: please tell me what rule i breached... [14:08] and i mean specifically... don't point me to them, ive read them 20 times [14:08] # [14:08] # Set a good example. Be what you want other people to be. If you want them to be calm, be calm. If you want them to be courteous and friendly, be courteous and friendy. The habitual behavior of people on a channel is the most powerful influence on newbies arriving on the channel. [14:08] flaccid: violates ^, i'm fairly sure. [14:09] flaccid, your swearing was disrespectful and inconsiderate. your insulting the project was disrespectful and inconsiderate. [14:09] elkbuntu: where did i swear [14:09] Hobbsee: how does it violoate [14:09] violate [14:09] 2007-10-30T16:24:20 gutsy is shit.. [14:09] is anybody a scientist here ? [14:09] flaccid: because bitching about the project, or the people involved in it, in a support-based channel, is not setting a good example. [14:09] 2007-10-30T16:21:44 fux me man [14:09] it's also not answering a question, either. [14:09] well shit is in the dictionary [14:10] flaccid: so is "you are a fucking moron" [14:10] elkbuntu: fux is not a swear word [14:10] but does that make it appropriate to say to you? [14:10] flaccid, poor spelling does not negate the social rank of a word [14:10] Hobbsee: where are swear words defined. do you gusy define anything or just make generalisations? [14:10] nor does poor definition... [14:11] im happy to abide to anything that is not ambiguous or subjective [14:11] and you're offtopic. [14:11] oh please. [14:11] @ the swear words. [14:11] scapegoats are friendly here i see [14:11] you clearly have an idea of waht is swearing and isn't, and choose to ignore it. [14:11] flaccid: and trolls are not. you fall in the second category. [14:11] Hobbsee: i don't have any idea, im asking for the it. [14:12] beat me too it [14:12] [14:12] ... /cs kb flaccid you're the only one scapegoating here [14:12] the nick looks familiar [14:12] elkbuntu: nuke him from the other channels, please [14:12] TheSheep, long time loser [14:12] TheSheep: he's been in here bitching multiple times over [14:12] and i've had enough [14:12] Hobbsee, what other? [14:12] elkbuntu: #ubuntu and such [14:12] elkbuntu: probaly just #ubuntu, #k-o, #u-o [14:13] wherever he's likely to bitch about the ops [14:14] sigh, that was uncalled for in #u for him. [14:15] Pici: why, what did he say? [14:15] 09:12:39 ubuntu is a fucked distro that has no idea. [14:15] oh goody. [14:15] stick that in the bantracker as a comment, please. [14:16] nothing like giving more ammunition. [14:16] laa [14:16] makes giving permabans *so* much easier. [14:16] * Hobbsee hands out more rope [14:17] btw he's not banned from #kubuntu-offtopic [14:17] ...yet, I presume [14:17] Again, thank you all for your help and support. [14:17] ardchoille: you're welcome [14:17] Found out why my /ak wasn't working [14:17] ak? [14:17] the script, for some reason,l wasn't loaded. [14:18] Tm_T: i don't really think he'll try there [14:18] not enough people to get a rise [14:18] Tm_T: It's a command provided by the auto_bleh.pl script [14:19] Hobbsee: well he's not there [14:19] Hobbsee: but I'm watching :) [14:19] request, keep an eye on the user "mint" he's walking the line of that "pro ubuntu he's trolling" [14:21] never mind, he has lef [14:21] left [14:21] ikonia: he'll be back, I'm sure [14:21] Thanks for the heads up anyway. [14:21] he didn't do anything just looked really suspicious, over the top "ubuntu is cool" [14:22] don't tar him with anything [14:22] ikonia: I have seen that nick before, and somehow I don't feel fine with it :) [14:22] but that's just me [14:22] there was something uncomfortable about how he spoke. [14:22] Isn't it the Linux Mint livecd user? [14:22] Tm_T: too close to malt. [14:22] yes it is, he was using mint, that was clear enough [14:23] Hobbsee: perhaps [14:23] Hobbsee: and isn't even single malt, mind you [14:23] now crocery -> [14:29] Tm_T: you got to learn, its grocery [16:11] ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu () [16:12] erefasdfsd been in ubuntu for over an hour had ati help from about 10 people not doing anything trying to install nvidai drivers etc etc, just being trouble [16:13] !opabuse | ikonia [16:13] ikonia: leave the ops alone ktnxbye [16:14] ? [16:14] poke us in here, if it's not an emergency. [16:14] * ikonia gives up [16:14] !msg > andres_22 [16:15] I did that and got told to call the ops, so stopped and started using the !ops signal again [16:15] back to plan 1 [16:15] ikonia, instead of using !ops ... then just send a message in here if you think the above is happening... if it's been going on for an hour... then it's not an emergency [16:15] * Hobbsee looks in [16:15] bah. bloody !ops calls. [16:15] Mez: it was getting to a silly point [16:15] if it's say, someone coming in the channel, and spamming, then it's time for a !ops call [16:15] yep, and only makes trolls get sneaky [16:15] it was boared line on spamming [16:15] boarder line [16:16] ikonia, that may be so, but that's where you poke us in here, rather than an !ops call.. [16:16] it was just trolling and people kept helping [16:16] Mez: with respect, I have done that in the past and been told to use the !ops request [16:16] ikonia: atleast if it's been going on an hour, fill us in first before calling the ops [16:16] Mez: my previous approach was to always see who was free in here [16:17] it's nearly impossible to see thru situations like that to see what the correct approach would be [16:17] he seemed ok to me [16:18] ikonia, well, I personally believe that unless it'll be obvious within the first 10 seconds of the op looking at a channel what the issue is, then !ops shouldn't be used [16:18] Dave2, !ops !ops !ops !ops !ops !ops !ops !ops !ops !ops !ops !ops [16:18] :P [16:18] well, I'll be honest, thats your opinion and I'll respect it, but it's impossible to win [16:19] (win was a bad choice, I'm not trying to win) [16:20] * Mez hugs elkbuntu [16:20] * elkbuntu pets Mez [16:20] hehe... sorry - I was just annoying Dave2 [16:20] elkbuntu, what's your view on the above convo [16:20] (poking in here vs !ops - when to and when not to ) [16:21] it's an impossible solution as some people would prefer a poke, others would prefer aletering, what one see's as disrubtion others would see as minor and vice vesa [16:22] Mez, for sneaky trolly stuff, it's best not to let them know you're calling in reinforcements [16:23] ikonia, well generally If I see an ops call, I interrupt what I'm doing at work and poke my head in. [16:23] whichi s probably right for that situation as he left when I called ops [16:23] As the ops says, for channel emergencys only [16:23] no he didnt [16:23] I beleive he's still there [16:23] Mez: he left about a minute later [16:23] after I muted him and noone responded to him [16:24] no he's gone, he did leave about 30 seconds after you showed up [16:24] ok, I missed the mute [16:24] however you could class that as an emergency as he'd been practiclly flooding the channel [16:24] thats what I mean about perception [16:25] Mez: that said I do understand what your saying in that you down tools at work [16:29] oh my how pathetic attack attempt [16:31] hmmm, I would think a slight revision of !hardy for #kubuntu would be nice :) [16:31] !hardy [16:31] Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu [16:32] it would, especially if I've understood the mailing list information correctly [16:32] yep :) [16:34] ikonia, you just need to learn when and when not to use it [16:36] Mez: I believe you may have missed the point of what I was saying. [16:37] Mez: with multiple people having multiple expectations and desired behaviour what one person wants is what other person doesn't [16:37] Mez: for example if I had have poked in here, someone else may have said "why waste time - this guy is flooding the channel use !ops" [16:38] it wasn't flooding from what I saw [16:38] ikonia, doubtful... It just takes time to learn when and when not to use it. I remmeber when we last told you to use !ops - that was a case which needed it, this wasnt... it just requires a little learning. Don't take this as a bad thing, we're not telling you off, we're just trying to let you know when and when not to use !ops [16:39] all I saw was a great big orange flashing light saying EMERGENCY BWOOP BWOOOP with almost no explanation why I should somehow react [16:39] the few scrollfulls of backlog I checked seemed ok [16:42] Myrtti, you have an orange flashing light? cool - I have a blue one ;) [17:03] antispammeta is going mad, shouting about a lot of the joins in #ubuntu [17:05] I think an attack might be on its way, [17:06] asm has been showing some staff members on its list, too [17:06] better safe than sorry, but i think it's off its feed [17:07] afterdeath has changed something and i believe it's going nuts [17:07] hehe [17:07] indeed, it wasn't like this earlier today [17:08] yeah, it's safe to ignore RBL warnings at the moment, I think... [17:08] there's now way the number of staff listed by asm (and connecting from wholly different vectors) are all "bad" [17:08] Dave2, thanks [17:09] Where are you listenning to it nalioth? [17:12] PriceChild: it follows me in many channels, i'm sorry to say [17:13] * nalioth is stalked by dircbot, too [17:13] hehe [17:14] nalioth, Dave2, i notice rbl just has a holding page on now... [17:14] I deleted myself from RBL highlights, it was starting to get somewhat annoying. [17:43] sigh @ #ubuntu [17:43] indeedy [17:43] hmmm [18:04] !help [18:04] I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [18:04] hmm [18:04] nalioth: who are our botmasters? [18:04] Tm_T: the dutchman owns ubotu [18:05] Tm_T: all others use ubotus data files [18:05] l j l maintains Ubotwo and I run ubot3 [18:13] nalioth: like to share ubot3 to #ubuntu-fi ? [18:13] that's mainly I'm looking for, until we get our own bot, if ever [18:14] nalioth: huge thanks sir [18:14] you're welcome [18:31] Tm_T: jolly good [18:31] nalioth: thank you [18:36] welcome, Myrtti === diafic is now known as di[a]fic === di[a]fic is now known as diafic [19:54] In #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !psp is For information on using the PlayStation Portable with Ubuntu, please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PSP [19:59] !nick | diafic [19:59] diafic: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration [19:59] äash [20:00] away then [20:00] !away | diafic [20:00] diafic: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away " to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines [20:00] and i try to show off, too [20:03] In #ubuntu, wols_ said: !ops dmacnutt is a myminicity spammer [20:04] I've got no idea what myminicity is [20:06] it's a thing which uses referrals, I think [20:06] I'm keeping an eye on him. [20:07] (as staff, not as an op, so ops should feel free to quiet him or whatever.) [20:45] what does [77019.620000] usb 2-8: device not accepting address 26, error -62 [20:45] mean? [20:45] support in #ubuntu [20:45] no one in there knows what it means though [20:45] IKE: be patient :) [20:45] i have been for 2 hours [20:45] bad luck then, no support in here. This channel is for operator business [20:50] People ask in here...... when we're all in #ubuntu already. [20:52]