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ubotuNew bug: #179983 in malone "SVGZ doesn't have the good encoding" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17998300:35
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LaroseMy small package works on 6.06, 6.10, 7.04, 7.10 and 8.04, is there a way, when uploading it to my-ppa, that the binaries are build for every version ?01:51
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FujitsuLarose: You need to upload multiple versions of the package. Say 1.0-1~ppa1, 1.0-1~ppa1~7.10, 1.0-1~ppa1~7.04...01:52
Laroseand change the "{gutsy, festy, ...}" in the debian/changelog ?01:53
FujitsuLarose: Yes, sorry.02:06
ScottASHello All. Could someone help me with a problem?02:08
LaroseIn http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-dpkgchangelog, it is written that I can put multiples distribution (separated by space), but it doesn't work with my-ppa : "Rejected: Unable to find distroseries: dapper edgy feisty gutsy hardy"02:08
LaroseFujitsu: I don't understand the ~***02:09
LaroseFujitsu: Is it documented ?02:09
FujitsuLarose: It's probably not documented anywhere, though it has been referred to on launchpad-users a couple of times lately.02:10
FujitsuIn a Debian version, `~' is less than anything, even `'02:10
Larosewell, ok02:10
FujitsuSo 1.0-1~ppa1 is less than 1.0-1, 1.0-1~ppa1~7.10 is less than 1.0-1~ppa1, etc.02:10
FujitsuIt means users can upgrade properly.02:10
lamontLarose: it's documented somewhere... ~ is less than null02:10
lamonthrm.. like Fujitsu said02:11
lamontLarose: and multiple distro source uploads have historically been an interestingly not-quite-what-you-think situation. even in debian.02:12
lamontand it looks like launchpad doesn't believe in it02:12
Fujitsulamont: It's not possible to do with a pool.02:12
lamontFujitsu: I don't buy that.  OTOH, it's almost certainly impossible to meet the version requirements with multiple distros (must land between the previous and the next)02:13
Fujitsulamont: Multi-distro uploads need to build differently for each distro.02:14
FujitsuEr, DistroSeries, that is.02:14
lamont(from the smash-it-into-multiple camp, all that has to happen is that the files in pool/$mumble have to be added to multiple Sources/Packages files, by way of being inserted into the database and propagated forward02:15
lamontFujitsu: ah.  point.02:15
LaroseSorry if it's a little bit off-topic, but I have one more question, I did a kernel module package, I would like to distribute it (the .deb) to every debian-based distro, I mean, what should I write in the changelog for the distribution ? Anything I want, because I won't upload it to any package archive ?02:15
lamontthe other way to do it is upload the source to the earliest, and then propagate it forward as though it were in the archive when the new distroseries opened.02:16
* lamont has had this discussion before.02:16
Fujitsulamont: Yes, but Soyuz can't do that.02:16
lamonteither way, you don't upload with mutliple distroseries in the source.changes02:16
Fujitsu(for PPAs, that is)02:16
lamontFujitsu: too true.  it requires archive-god foo02:16
FujitsuI suspect it will reject horribly if you try.02:16
FujitsuGood old initialize-from-parent.py.02:17
ScottASSomeone has creation an OpenPGP key using my Domain Name, I didn't create and I don't know what to do otherwise. I fear that there's nothing I can do because I can't revoke it myself.02:27
FujitsuHow relevant to this channel.02:31
FujitsuAnd how devastatingly terrible.02:31
lamont(and that's why we have a web of trust... if no one trusted signs his key, then who cares...)02:37
FujitsuPrecisely.02:39
Hobbseehum.  what does this "delete link" button do?02:43
FujitsuHobbsee: Other than being ugly, it deletes the packaging link.02:44
FujitsuI'm not sure everybody should have that privilege, but they do.02:44
Hobbseeand where the heck is my mono now?02:44
HobbseeFujitsu: ah right.02:44
HobbseeFujitsu: yes, i was wondering about why i suddenly had that priveledge02:44
HobbseeFujitsu: as it is, i can't see how that relates to anything else, so it's rather useless in my case02:45
FujitsuI suspect that ubuntu-dev should have that privilege, but not the whole world.02:45
* Hobbsee presumes it makes sense where the upstream is also monitored in LP, or something02:45
FujitsuIt is used for when people try to file a bug on a project that doesn't use LP (it will ask them if they meant package X in Ubuntu, where X is any package with a link to that project).02:46
Hobbseeah right02:46
FujitsuOh, and also when you hit `Also Affects: Project....'02:46
* Hobbsee wonders why hte queue has now grown wider than her browser02:46
FujitsuIt will prefill that.02:46
Hobbseeah right02:46
FujitsuSo it is useful.02:47
Hobbseegrrr02:47
FujitsuAnd when NMSP comes around, with HCT and all... well, I won't bother going into that, as it won't happen.02:47
lifelessNMSP?02:48
FujitsuNoMoreSourcePackages.02:48
Hobbseen omroe source packages02:48
HobbseeHCT?02:48
FujitsuHypothetical Changeset Tool, IIRC.02:48
Hobbseehow the heck do you know all this?02:49
lifelessright, just checking it was what I thought it was02:49
lifelesshadn't seen the abbreviation NMSP :)02:49
FujitsuHobbsee: I am God.02:53
FujitsuOr I read specs and bugs. One of them.02:53
HobbseeFujitsu: right then.02:53
HobbseeFujitsu: you read the intros of specs.02:53
HobbseeFujitsu: and you appear to have far too much interest in soyuz ;P02:53
lamontlifeless: "Not My Stinking Problem"?02:54
lamontHCT is the most beautiful demo I ever saw.02:55
lamontFujitsu: NMSP is very simple once the source is all committed to bzr (or whatever)02:56
Fujitsulamont: As far as I can tell it's no longer on the immediate plans, but then again most things don't seem to be on the immediate plans.02:57
jdubjml: howdy02:59
jmljdub: hi03:00
jmlwhat's up?03:00
lamontjdub!!! howdy!03:00
jdubhey lamont 03:00
lamontgood to see you - long time no chat, etc... and back to our regularly scheduled program. :-)03:01
jdubjml: just figuring out if the question i wanted to ask is built on too many assumptions03:01
jdubjml: i'll start from the beginning03:01
jdubjml: there's a branch of drupal that doesn't appear to be registered in launchpad03:02
jdubactually, none other than 'head' (called 'main') appear to be03:02
FujitsuThat is all that is imported at this time.03:02
jdubshould i register the branch, or does it need to be done via vcs-imports requests or something?03:02
FujitsuI'm not sure there is a facility to perform multiple imports.03:03
FujitsuUnless one was to create a new release series, perhaps.03:03
jmljdub: At the moment, we only import trunk (or equiv) from svn and cvs, afaik03:04
jdubhttps://launchpad.net/drupal/5.x <- "do not import"03:04
FujitsuI've not seen a UI to do anything else.03:04
jmljdub: I might be wrong. The real experts on our code import stuff are on European times03:04
jdubso at least it has the right info03:05
jdubbut there are probably "cvs is state of the ass technology" issues in the way :)03:05
jmlalmost certainly :)03:05
jmlI guess the other branches on https://code.launchpad.net/drupal/ aren't relevant to this discussion?03:06
jdubnup03:06
jdubok, thanks :-)03:08
jmlso, there's this great distributed VCS that has good LP support that drupal might want to upgrade to :)03:08
jmljdub: np.03:08
Fujitsubzr rocks, but few want to move :(03:09
Hobbseewhen it works reliably for me every time, and quickly...03:09
FujitsuIt does for me.03:09
jmlHobbsee: it doesn't already?03:09
grycyeah, the whole 'branching-taking-15-minutes-or-more' thing is a bit of a blocker03:09
FujitsuOr the initial mplayer push to LP taking 4 hours, yeah. But bzr+ssh is making that better.03:10
Hobbseealthough i may have used the wrong frontend (i think i used the http stuff, not the newer pull)03:10
HobbseeFujitsu: oh yeah, i think i uploaded that by accident, and didn't commit to bzr03:10
jmlgryc: tried branching with 1.0?03:10
lifelessjml: need packs too :)03:10
jmllifeless: ahh, of course03:10
grycjml: yes, and it's better, but it's still really slow :/03:11
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maarten_Hi, I can't edit a bug I reported because I cannot get past the Logon page...?07:34
Fujitsumaarten_: Have you blocked cookies, by any chance?07:34
maarten_No, well, from some sites07:35
Fujitsumaarten_: How many times have you tried to log in?07:35
maarten_OK, thank you very much, for some reason launchpad was in the list of blocked sites.... sorry!@07:35
FujitsuAha.07:36
FujitsuThat's bug #30679: Launchpad should say it needs cookies.07:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 30679 in launchpad "Login requires cookies, but does not say so" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30679 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)07:36
maarten_Many thanks for this!07:36
FujitsuNo problem.07:36
carlosmorning07:54
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sorenOver the last few days, I've gotten e-mails about failed builds of open-vm-tools on powerpc, ia64, and lpia. However, p-a-s says only to build them on i386 and amd64.. What gives?08:12
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* Fujitsu thought we used Debian's P-a-s, and can't see any mention of open-vm-tools in his CVS emails going back many months.08:20
thegodfatherFujitsu: no, there are small differences here and there08:21
FujitsuWhy is there lpia stuff in Debian's, then?08:22
Fujitsuthegodfather: ^^08:22
thegodfatherFujitsu: afaik they try to keep it as synced as possible08:23
thegodfathertho things might have changed in time08:23
thegodfatherit's even possible that LP broke with the last upgrade...08:23
FujitsuHeh, wouldn't surprise me.08:24
FujitsuWell, it's definitely still respecting P-a-s, so I guess we can safely assume that open-vm-tools isn't in it.08:25
FujitsuOr drescher is out of date, perhaps. Maybe that broke.08:25
Fujitsuthegodfather: Why are you so godfatherly of late?08:27
thegodfatherFujitsu: for a change08:28
mptGoooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!08:32
FujitsuHey mpt.08:32
FujitsuI just had to check my clock. No changing timezones, kthxbye.08:33
mptI'm only half an hour earlier than I was yesterday08:52
FujitsuI'm used to a `Go+d evening Launchpadders!' at this time, but I suppose I should get used to the opposite.08:52
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FujitsuEvening cprov.10:58
cprovFujitsu: hi, good morning.10:59
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sivankiko: ping12:17
kikoahoy12:17
sivankiko: flouresde amazounica12:18
sivan:)12:18
kikofloresta12:18
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ubotuNew bug: #180075 in blueprint "duplicate email notifications on wiki page change" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18007513:31
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ardchoilleI asked a question here: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/20913  Was that the correct place to ask that type of question in order to have it seen by the proper person(s)?13:47
Hobbseeardchoille: you got the right place13:48
intellectronicaardchoille: yes, that's fine. let me check if there's anyone around who can do that for you13:48
ardchoilleAh, great.13:48
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ubotuNew bug: #180083 in launchpad "Registering project with ID "favicon.ico" returns icon instead of project" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18008314:26
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kikoheh14:33
kikowhat a funny bug14:33
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ubotuNew bug: #180091 in blueprint "Blueprint notifications are sent by bounces@canonical.com" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18009114:56
mptkiko, I aim to please :-)15:04
ardchoilleTo those of you who helped me with my issue in LP, you are very much appreciated :)15:16
kikoas the great mpt says, we aim to please!15:19
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ubotuNew bug: #180135 in malone "Boilerplate responses to duplicates waste time and hurt searching" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18013517:45
mptcprov, why do people need to sign the CoC to upload to a PPA?17:53
mptIn other words, why isn't the PPA ToS enough?17:54
cprovmpt: no especial reason, we just want to get CoC  commitments from users. Why is that a problem ?17:55
mptcprov, why do you want to get CoC commitments from users?17:56
mptAre PPA users more likely to behave badly than users of other Launchpad features? :-)17:56
cprovmpt: yes, there is a higher chance to use launchpad to damage someone else's systems.17:57
mptcprov, why don't the PPA Terms cover that?17:58
cprovmpt: well, I don't have a precise answer to this question, but why it should be covered by specified terms if it already covered in ubuntu CoC.  However I see it becoming a problem when we support PPA for other distributions.18:03
mptagreed18:04
mptok, I'll report a bug on reducing the duplication18:04
cprovmpt: thanks18:07
ubotuNew bug: #180143 in soyuz ""PPA uploads must be signed by an 'ubuntero'" isn't understandable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18014318:16
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mathrickhiya, it seems to me that all launchpad-hosted bzr branches are down18:43
mathrickor rather, launchpad gives links that result in 40418:43
mathrickfor example, https://code.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr-dbus/trunk18:43
mathricklinks to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr-dbus/trunk which is 40418:43
mathrickbut browsing at http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr-dbus/trunk/files works just fine18:44
ubotuNew bug: #180151 in launchpad "team add member should include a link to the invited member" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18015118:46
ubotuNew bug: #180161 in malone "'Assign to' should include drop-down with team members" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18016119:25
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HattoryHi all... When will the translations for hardy be available on lp?20:04
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* mpt wonders if "In Progress" could be renamed to "Underway"20:10
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Fujitsumpt: Trying to finally get them all to one word, I suppose?21:20
mptFujitsu, thinking about it, yeah21:22
mptI think it would be enormous changes, though21:22
mpte.g. merging Fix Committed + Fix Released = Fixed :-)21:22
mptunless we had just "Committed" and "Released", but that probably wouldn't be understandable enough21:25
kikothat sounds like terms in a mental institution21:26
thumperkiko!21:26
thumperhello21:26
kikoheya thumper 21:26
Fujitsumpt: I think the Commited/Released distinction is necessary21:26
Fujitsu*Committed21:26
kikoI think it's useful too fwiw21:27
mptWhat for?21:27
FujitsuIf they're merged, what would I see when I go to a milestone page? Everything Underway until the release?21:27
mptMilestone pages show all targeted bugs regardless of status anyway, don't they?21:28
FujitsuThey do.21:29
FujitsuBut how do I tell if something has actually been fixed yet, and is just awaiting rollout?21:29
mptDepends what you mean by "rollout"21:30
FujitsuRelease of the version in which the fix will appear.21:30
Fujitsu(or perhaps cherrypicking, as seems to be necessary a lot in LP... /me waves to all (de|pro)moted arch: all binaries)21:31
mptYou can't tell that in current Launchpad anyway!21:31
FujitsuWhy not?21:31
FujitsuIf it's Fix Committed, I can be fairly sure the fix will be in the release to which it is targetted. Or their usage of LP is broken.21:32
mptBecause Ubuntu bugs are marked Fix Released without an Ubuntu version containing the fix being released.21:32
FujitsuThe version of the package is released, but you're right.21:32
FujitsuIt would be a useful distinction to make, but until we get mass-editing (which seems to keep getting hit with the deferring stick), version tracking, or something else, it's not practical.21:33
mptIt's not "released" in any sense meaningful to the people running Ubuntu 7.10 and reporting bugs about what they encounter in it. (Unless the fix is backported, but most fixes aren't.)21:33
mptFujitsu, right, that's what I thought when designing them originally21:34
mptUbuntu would be able to mass-change Fix Committed bugs to Fix Released on release day, and everything would be groovy21:34
FujitsuExactly.21:34
mptI didn't realize mass-changing wouldn't be implemented for another N years21:34
mptbut, but21:34
FujitsuHeh.21:34
mpteven when mass changing is implemented, I *still* don't think it will be practical.21:35
FujitsuWhy not?21:35
mptPartly because it would be too much bugmail at once21:36
mptAnd partly because it would work only as long as we're developing one version at a time, which may be true now, but may not be a few years hence21:37
FujitsuPerhaps.21:37
FujitsuIn which case we need version tracking.21:37
mptright21:37
FujitsuWhich is always good anyway.21:37
mptSo I propose replacing Fix Released with a field for which version(s?) the bug is fixed in.21:38
FujitsuThat sounds very good.21:38
FujitsuHm, that could get a bit messy, actually...21:40
FujitsuWell, for SPRS you'd probably have to also show the DistroSeries in which the SPR first appeared, as the package version alone isn't a whole lot of use, as it's not released independently.21:41
FujitsuBut it does sound like a much better way to do it.21:42
* mpt reads through bugmail21:42
mptFujitsu, you're getting good at marking duplicates :-)21:42
mpt(in bugs about Launchpad itself, I mean)21:42
* Fujitsu knows whether most LP bugs exist.21:42
mptWhat's an SPR?21:43
mptoh, SourcePackageRelease21:43
FujitsuSorry, yes.21:43
* Fujitsu wonders how exactly the enormous architecture-independent binary domination regression managed to not fail any tests.21:48
geseris it be possible to recover the lost packages or is a new upload necessary?21:53
FujitsuThey're still in librarian, so I presume they should be revivable. cprov? ^^21:54
cprovFujitsu: I'm working on it ...21:55
Fujitsucprov: They won't require a new upload?21:55
cprovFujitsu: now, if you provide a list of binaries that have vanished since 20th Dec I can republish them21:56
FujitsuCan't you fairly easily perform a query for superseded SPRs that are for published sources? Or look in the logs? Having someone else create a list manually sounds like it's going to miss things.21:57
cprovFujitsu: ok, don't worry, I can do it myself.21:59
FujitsuI guess this is one situation where the bug trail that we're meant to leave would be useful, but at least some of the component changes were performed without bugs.22:00
cprovFujitsu: no, all arch-indep override since 20th vanished the binary from the archive, arch-specific overrides works22:02
FujitsuI am aware.22:03
cprovFujitsu: shouldn't be difficult to trace, till tomorrow better postpone such actions.22:05
cprovI have to go away for a bit, brb22:06
FujitsuOK, thanks.22:06
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gesercprov: libcommons-httpclient-java survived it but not libcommons-httpclient-java-doc22:06
geserand libcommons-httpclient-java is arch:all22:06
FujitsuThat's not encouraging.22:07
gesercprov: here is a list of packages which are missing after bug #176139 got fixed: libavalon-framework-java libavalon-framework-java-doc libcommons-httpclient-java-doc libjunitperf-java libjunitperf-java-doc libi18n-java libjazzy-java libjcalendar-java libjcalendar-java-doc libnsuml-java libsaxon-java libsaxon-java-doc libtoolbar-java22:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 176139 in libtoolbar-java "Please move package to universe" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17613922:09
mptSee y'all in 10 hours or so22:09
Fujitsugeser: libcommons-httpclient-java looks to have already been in universe.22:12
geserah, that explains it22:16
FujitsuSo it was saved by someone NEWing it incorrectly.22:19
ubotuNew bug: #180210 in malone "Launchpad doesn't parse RT URLs correctly for cpan.org" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18021022:20
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yeagerany admins here?23:08
yeageris there any need for any reverse proxies in the LP solution?23:09
yeageri recently started to work for Blue Coat Systems23:10
yeagermaybe I can pulls some strings to borrow you guys a box or two23:10
ubotuNew bug: #180218 in soyuz "override mismatch race needs to be fixed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18021823:31

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