[14:50] <amitk> bfiller: smagoun: Do we have an IRC meeting today?
[14:50] <smagoun> amitk: I assume so, yes
[14:50] <amitk> ohh and a Happy New Year ;)
[14:51] <smagoun> Happy New Year to you too
[14:51] <smagoun> Are you back in Finland?
[14:51] <amitk> smagoun: I don't see davidm, Mithrandir et al. So I wondered...
[14:51] <amitk> smagoun: yes I am
[14:52] <agoliveira> amitk: David only returns tomorrow and Tollef... dunno.
[14:52] <agoliveira> smagoun: Do we actually have anything to talk about at the meeting today? I for sure don't have any agenda.
[14:53] <amitk> agoliveira: So who is chairing?
[14:53] <amitk> and where is the agenda?
[14:53] <agoliveira> amitk: Not me, that's for sure :)
[14:53] <agoliveira> amitk: My point. Unless someone from Lexington has anything to say, I don't see a point for the meeting today.
[14:54] <agoliveira> smagoun: Maybe Pat or Jon want to chair today? Are they around?
[14:55] <smagoun> agoliveira: amitk Good point. We (Lexington) don't have a whole lot to go over, we can probably skip the meeting
[14:56] <agoliveira> smagoun: +1
[15:02] <amitk> agoliveira: smagoun: Mithrandir has risen from his slumber and says there is a meeting.
[15:03] <agoliveira> amitk: Tipical. He stays quiet until there's something to bother us with :)
[15:04] <amitk> agoliveira: why are you not on #distro?
[15:04] <agoliveira> amitk: Ooops... my bad.
[15:58] <Mithrandir> good $time_of_day everyone!
[16:00] <Mithrandir> oh, 17 UTC.  It seems I can't read.  Meeting in one hour.
[16:01] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: For a moment I thought my calendar was screwd-up again...
[16:01] <agoliveira> s/was/were
[16:02] <Mithrandir> must be all this vacation going to my head.
[16:02] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Don't worry, there's a sprint a little later to fix it :)
[16:59] <Mithrandir> agoliveira,lool,amitk,StevenK: Prod; meeting's about to start.
[16:59] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Right here
[17:00]  * amitk wakes up
[17:01] <Mithrandir> patm: is your team around?
[17:02] <Mithrandir> ptung1: hiya, happy 2008; is your team around yet?
[17:02] <ptung1> Happy new year.  I am not sure whether the rest team will join today either.
[17:02] <Mithrandir> oh?
[17:03] <bfiller> Happy new year all
[17:03] <ptung1> Some of my team will come back next monday.
[17:04] <Mithrandir> ah
[17:07] <Mithrandir> ptung1: will mauri be joining us today?
[17:07] <ptung1> Mauri should be joining in.
[17:08] <Mithrandir> let's wait for her, then
[17:09] <ptung1> I will pin her
[17:13] <ptung1> I cannot find Mauri.   Rusty, do you have Mauri's cell number?   Would you please give her a call.
[17:17] <ptung1> Mauri will join soon
[17:17] <rustyl> she has been working since about 5am, but didn't think we were holding the irc meeting today
[17:17] <mawhalen> Mauri joined, apologies, didn't know there was a meeting today
[17:18] <Mithrandir> hiya Mauri.
[17:18] <Mithrandir> let's start, then
[17:18] <Mithrandir> #startmeeting
[17:18] <MootBot> Meeting started at 17:18. The chair is Mithrandir.
[17:18] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:18] <Mithrandir> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting/20080103 has the agenda
[17:19] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC] Action items from previous meeting
[17:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action items from previous meeting 
[17:20] <Mithrandir> lool doesn't seem to be around, so the first previous action item isn't something we can get discussed today.
[17:20] <Mithrandir> is bspencer out until Monday?
[17:21] <mawhalen> No, bspencer is in the office, I'm looking for him.  I'm not sure many people knew there was a meeting this morning.  
[17:21] <rustyl> he was in yesterday
[17:21] <mawhalen> He doesn't appear to be online at the moment
[17:21] <rustyl> this place is a ghost town
[17:22] <mawhalen> I'll follow up with Bob
[17:23] <Mithrandir> amitk: did you have a chance on updating the hardy ppa with new and shiny drivers?
[17:23] <amitk> Mithrandir: I updated the hardy kernel yes
[17:24] <amitk> but not the PPA
[17:24] <Mithrandir> have you had feedback on whether it works correctly or not?
[17:24] <amitk> robr_ubuntu was going to use it as the basis for Intel's 2.6.24 tree
[17:24] <rustyl> is this PPA the thing that provides us with the hardy snapshot?
[17:25] <amitk> StevenK 'crowbarred
[17:25] <amitk> something together... in his words
[17:25] <Mithrandir> rustyl: yes and no.  It's a place where all members of ubuntu-mobile can upload and which get pulled into the daily builds automatically.  (I believe that's already in place, BICBW)
[17:26] <amitk> I have an action to fix Hardy LUM for LPIA. It will get done before next week.
[17:26] <rustyl> ok, then it's know what i was thinking
[17:26] <rustyl> s/know/not/
[17:26] <smagoun> amitk: does that fix include the latest gfx stuff from moblin?
[17:26] <amitk> Mithrandir: does the kernel need to be in the PPA or will it suffice to use the default Hardy kernel?
[17:27] <Mithrandir> amitk: if it's the default hardy kernel, that's even better.
[17:27] <amitk> smagoun: I got the latest gfx stuff from before christmas, I will check if there have been any updates
[17:28] <amitk> Mithrandir: great. 
[17:28] <Mithrandir> amitk: thanks
[17:28] <amitk> is robr_ubuntu online?
[17:29] <amitk> or someone from his team?
[17:29] <Mithrandir> David asked a bit around on the best way to make sure architectures stay in sync with regards to "fails to build from source" and such; we have a report we can look at and uploaders get notified of build failures, but this is something we should look at better solutions on how to track.
[17:29] <Mithrandir> I think David has been thinking about that and will report back next week.
[17:29] <Mithrandir> Lexington team, you were to test ext3 boot speed and look at the file system corruption problem.  Have you had a chance to?
[17:30] <smagoun> Mithrandir: no, we haven't done that yet. We were pretty busy getting a demo ready for the upcoming CES trade show
[17:30] <Mithrandir> yup, understandable.
[17:30] <Mithrandir> have you gotten the C0 board from David?
[17:30] <mawhalen> What do you need from Rob?  
[17:31] <smagoun> Mithrandir: the C0 showed up over the holiday. We're hoping to get it up today
[17:31] <smagoun> (the lexington team is moving our office this week)
[17:32] <bspencer> smagoun: I'd be interested in a short preview of what you have planned for CES
[17:32] <bspencer> at least what you can share
[17:32] <Mithrandir> ok, good.
[17:33]  * bspencer adds to agenda...
[17:33] <Mithrandir> oh, hi bspencer, welcome.
[17:33] <smagoun> bspencer: we don't have a booth or anything fancy, but our customer is demoing their unit. I don't know what their plans are
[17:33] <amitk> mawhalen: I would like to know if my work 'porting' all the poulsbo stuff to 2.6.24 is the way to go. That is what I have in the Hardy tree ATM.
[17:33] <Mithrandir> bspencer: did you have a chance to verify that the ubuntu branch works?
[17:33] <smagoun> I think only Jon is going from my group
[17:33] <bspencer> Mithrandir: we did, and fixed the outstanding bugs 
[17:33] <mawhalen> amitk: I'll query Rob
[17:33] <Mithrandir> bspencer: good news, thanks.
[17:34] <amitk> mawhalen: thanks
[17:34] <bspencer> Mithrandir: I think that has been resolved now
[17:34] <bfiller> bspencer: we were hoping to possible demo the Clutter ui. Is it demostrable on the Q1?
[17:34] <bspencer> bfiller: yes certainly
[17:34] <Mithrandir> we (Canonical) are to share info with robr2 on disk image corruption as soon as we have something, but due to Christmas and such, no progress has been made, so no information shared yet.
[17:35] <Mithrandir> rustyl: have you responded to davidm on the status of PPM?
[17:35] <bspencer> bfiller: for a demo the /etc/xdg/menus would need updating to get the right applications to display.
[17:35] <bfiller> bspencer: thanks, I'll give that a try today
[17:36] <rustyl> Mithrandir, looks like that email got dropped, but basically davidm was just asking about the status of PPM. Quick question, has Mo not pushed a version of ppm into hardy?
[17:36] <Mithrandir> rustyl: I don't believe any version has been pushed yet, no.
[17:36] <rustyl> ok, well the implementation will continue to evolve, and we continue to do bug fixing via launchpad, but we are ready to submit something now 
[17:37] <rustyl> Mohomad Abas will be the guy doing the leg work to push ppm
[17:38] <Mithrandir> ok, good.
[17:38] <lool> Blah, I was too concentrated and forgot the time of the meeting, sorry, I'm around now
[17:38] <Mithrandir> lool: happy 2008
[17:38] <Mithrandir> rustyl: can you drop me an email with his contact details so I can get him in touch with somebody on our side?
[17:39] <lool> Mithrandir: Happy 2008 to you too
[17:39] <rustyl> Mithrandir, yeap, let me do that
[17:39] <lool> Concerning my previous action point, I think it's cleared (it was at the last meeting already)
[17:39] <Mithrandir> [ACTION] rustyl to put tfheen and Mohomad Abas in touch with each other over PPM
[17:39] <MootBot> ACTION received:  rustyl to put tfheen and Mohomad Abas in touch with each other over PPM 
[17:40] <Mithrandir> lool: bug 172426, that is?
[17:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172426 in moblin-ui-framework "home screen having issues with scrolling and focus" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172426
[17:40] <lool> Yes
[17:40] <amitk> Mithrandir: I would be interested in being involved with PPM integration
[17:40] <Mithrandir> amitk: makes sense.
[17:40] <lool> I'm fix-releasing it
[17:40] <lool> (just got my bug triaging powers again!)
[17:41] <Mithrandir> ok, that was the action items from last round, the only other agenda item is a reminder that the sprint dates are January 28th through February 1st.
[17:41] <ptung1> Is Adilson around?  I would like to verify the progress we made on Moblin Compliance Test-suite.
[17:41] <agoliveira> ptung1: Yes, I'm right here
[17:42] <lool> FYI in case somebody didn't know yet, I'm not making the mobile sprint
[17:42] <agoliveira> lool: Booo... no cachaça for you :)
[17:42] <ptung1> Adilson: Are you working with Edwin on the MCT?
[17:43] <rustyl> Mithrandir, i just kicked off an email connecting you and Mo about PPM
[17:43] <agoliveira> ptung1: Do you want to put this as a meeting agenda or can you wait for the meeting to finigh?
[17:43] <Mithrandir> rustyl: thanks.
[17:43] <lool> agoliveira: Save me a small part in a box and bring it to next UDS!
[17:43] <ptung1> I would like to make it as a meeting agenda
[17:45] <agoliveira> ptung1: Add it here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting/20080103 please
[17:46] <ptung1> Okay
[17:47] <bspencer> where are we?
[17:48] <agoliveira> Not sure. Are we done yet? Peter may want to talk about the MCT.
[17:48] <Mithrandir> waiting for ptung to add his agenda item, else we can just close the meeting.
[17:49] <bspencer> ok... ptung1 please proceed and we'll add the agenda item shortly
[17:49] <ptung1> Adilson, do you want to talk it offline or here.  I am not sure how to add it to the agenda.
[17:49] <bspencer> I'll add it
[17:50] <agoliveira> ptung1: Just go ahead if you want.
[17:50] <ptung1> We have a goal to complete 80% Moblin Compliance by 2007. 
[17:51] <ptung1> We are behind now.   I would like to get commitment from Canonical to actively work on the MCT.
[17:52] <bspencer> (agenda item has been added: Discuss Moblin Compliance Tests)
[17:52] <agoliveira> ptung1: Maybe you should talk to David about this as he's the one that defines the priorities and work to be done.
[17:52] <bspencer> the MCT specification is at 0.99 ... pending small changes for desktop.org compliance
[17:52] <bspencer> not sure who from Canonical is owning this 
[17:53] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC] Moblin Compliance Testing
[17:53] <MootBot> New Topic:  Moblin Compliance Testing 
[17:53] <bspencer> and if they've been working with Rajesh on our side to give feedback
[17:53] <agoliveira> bspencer: I tried to fill it in while we don't have a person working on that but unfortunatelty I wasn't able to do almost anything due other priorities.
[17:53] <ptung1> David M told me that we should work with Adilson.    I will double check with David when he comes back.
[17:54] <agoliveira> I believe we should try to talk to David tomorrow and figure that out.
[17:54] <ptung1> Okay.   Thanks.
[17:54] <bspencer> agoliveira: the good news is that the spec is based on what Ubuntu-mobile already has for the most part.  But it will take some work to run through the details and make sure we are on the same page
[17:55] <bspencer> and also to make sure things will work with Hardy -- or whatever  base Canonical chooses as their mobile distribution
[17:55] <agoliveira> bspencer: Indeed. But anyway we need to put this on the schedule.
[17:55] <bspencer> ok.  then is there anything else wrt MCT to discuss here?
[17:56] <ptung1> not right now.
[17:56] <bspencer> Mithrandir: I think we can close
[17:56] <agoliveira> I'm ok
[17:56] <Mithrandir> ok
[17:56] <Mithrandir> nobody has other business?
[17:57] <Mithrandir> seems good, then, adjourned.
[17:57] <Mithrandir> #endmeeting
[17:57] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 17:57.
[17:57] <agoliveira> Inside the hour. Good start for 2008 :)
[17:57] <Mithrandir> huzzah
[17:59]  * lool returns to his small piece of code
[18:00]  * smagoun returns to his beer
[18:00] <smagoun> :)
[18:14] <agoliveira> smagoun: The way the weather is going there I would be returning to my congnac or whiskey :)
[18:19] <mawhalen> Mithrandir: do you know how many people are coming to the Sprint?  I'm trying to firm up the location
[18:21] <Mithrandir> mawhalen: 4 from the mobile team, 8 (tentative) from the MID team.
[18:22] <mawhalen> Mithrandir: thanks
[18:22] <smagoun> Mithrandir: mawhalen I think it's a pretty firm 8ppl from the MID team
[18:22] <Fenario> mawhalen: the plan is 8 from the MID team.
[18:22] <Mithrandir> amitk: you're not coming to portland, are you?
[18:23] <amitk> Mithrandir: I am
[18:23] <Fenario> mawhalen: can you tell us who from Intel will be at the Sprint?
[18:23] <mawhalen> Fenario: Mithrandir I'll project ~12 people from your side
[18:23] <amitk> Mithrandir: I will be there for the first 3 days.
[18:23] <Mithrandir> amitk: ah, ok.
[18:23] <mawhalen> Fenario: everyone on my team will be invited and I expect most will attend
[18:23] <Mithrandir> mawhalen: then we'll be 5+8.
[18:24] <mawhalen> Fenario: RustyL, BobS, RobR, JohnV, CarlW, Jimmy, Todd, Mohamed, ... plus some folks from Don Johnson's team
[18:25] <Mithrandir> sounds great; it'll be good to meet the rest of your team.
[18:25] <Fenario> mawhalen: this is good news.  can we consider them all confirmed?
[18:26] <rustyl> Fenario, i'm channeling mawhalen since she is in my cube... "yes, it is confirmed and details on location will be sent soon"
[18:27] <Fenario> rustyl: thanks!
[18:32] <mawhalen> Fenario: Mithrandir:  We are thinking about having the Sprint here - http://www.thegrandlodge.com/
[18:32] <mawhalen> The rooms are $$ reasonable but the bathrooms are shared.  It's a nice place, good beer.  Think this would work ok with the accomodations?
[18:33] <rustyl> http://www.thegrandlodge.com/index.php?loc=59&category=Location%20Homepage
[18:34] <Fenario> rustyl & mawhalen: how far is it from the airport?
[18:34] <Fenario> rustyl & mawhalen: also it looks too fun :-)
[18:35] <mawhalen> It is a bit of a drive from the Airport - about 30 minutes
[18:35] <amitk> rustyl: what is the weather like in end of Jan?
[18:35] <Mithrandir> mawhalen: how's the bandwidth there?
[18:35] <mawhalen> Fenario: It's close to Intel - 
[18:36] <mawhalen> Mithrandir: I'm checking on bandwidth
[18:36] <Mithrandir> and will we be seeing bspencer behind the bar in Bob's bar? ;-)
[18:36] <mawhalen> amitk: weather...could be sunny everyday or could rain everyday - very hard to tell
[18:36] <mawhalen> amitk: there will still be skiing going on at Mt Hood
[18:37] <Fenario> mawhalen: that's fine.  I know that one of our Admins has made hotel reservations at a local Marriott, but we could move there if you want.   I would just want to verify (like Mithrandir) the bandwidth
[18:37] <bspencer> Mithrandir:  :)
[18:38] <agoliveira> mawhalen: Shared bath? You mean like bed and breakfest places?
[18:38] <mawhalen> agoliveira: yes - like bed/breakfast
[18:39]  * agoliveira mispelled "breakfast" *very* badly.
[18:39] <Mithrandir> mawhalen: if possible, it'd be good if you could talk to David about this tomorrow since I know he's done quite a lot of preparations for the sprint and knows better what we need and don't need.
[18:45] <agoliveira> I'm really not happy about the idea of shared bathroom. Shared rooms are bad enough already so I hope we stay where we are already booked.
[19:04] <smagoun> agoliveira: we could always stay at a hostel: http://www.portlandhostel.org/  $17/night, heh.
[19:05] <agoliveira> smagoun: If I were single, I wouldn't bother at all :)
[19:12] <Fenario> Mithrandir: can you join the Intel call given David M is not here?
[19:12] <Mithrandir> am I confused again?  Isn't that in an hour?
[19:12] <Mithrandir> well, 45 minutes.
[19:13] <Fenario> the time changes a lot it is happening now
[19:13] <Mithrandir> ok
[19:13] <Mithrandir> can you /msg me the details since my email is a bit broken now.
[19:13] <Fenario> sure
[19:14] <Fenario> Mithrandir: Bridge: 6, Passcode: 5858198
[19:16] <Mithrandir> thanks, I'm in now
[22:52] <DanaG> Hmm, first time I've been around here.
[22:53] <DanaG> I'm curious: are there any nice devices like the iPod Touch, but not by Apple, and with support for playing Ogg Vorbis?
[22:53] <DanaG> I'd like to try Ubuntu Mobile, but I don't know what I'd run it on.