[00:06] stdin: ping ping, new kde4libs kdepimlibs kdebase-runtime kdebase-kde4 and kdebase-workspace, fancy backporting them in the ppa? [00:14] ooh, new KDE packages... I'll wakeup again :) [00:15] just a snapshot to practice for the real thing [00:20] Riddell: ahh, I just noticed those [00:20] at first I was like, "why would he do that now when release is a week away" :) [00:22] practice makes perfect :) [00:27] hmm, what's going to happen with the libgif/ungif with gutsy packages? won't libgif want to remove libungif? [00:28] have to stick with libungif with gutsy more than likely [00:28] !info libgif-dev gutsy [00:28] libgif-dev: library for GIF images (development). In component universe, is optional. Version 4.1.4-2 (gutsy), package size 39 kB, installed size 124 kB [00:28] that's what I think, I'll just have to remind myself to edit all the debian/controls [00:28] ok, so it is there and it has the libungif replace in it [00:29] isn't it just kdelibs that deps on it? [00:29] stdin: yeah, you should change that in kde4libs control (twice) [00:29] hehe ya [00:29] I think che and I came across that a week or so back [00:35] Riddell: you forgot the comma after libenchant-dev [00:43] stdin: uh oh, which package? [00:44] kde4libs [00:44] fixing [00:46] stdin: fix uploaded, thanks [00:46] np :) [00:54] kopete-kde4 depends on libungif4g? [01:13] hads: it only depends on it because kde4libs was built against it, it will depend on libgif when rebuilt against the new kde4libs [01:13] stdin: OK, thanks. === wolfger_ is now known as wolfger [03:17] Riddell: shouldn't debian/kdelibs-bin.install be debian/kdelibs-bin.install (in kde4libs) ? === dasKreech is now known as DaSkreechNSorrow [03:35] * Hobbsee waits for kde4. [03:37] Isn't it tagged? [03:39] probably [03:50] http://troy-at-kde.livejournal.com/13531.html [04:00] Hobbsee: ^^^6 should be [04:09] kwwii: http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2008/01/two-years-six-months-and-couple-of-days.html [04:09] That's a nice write up [04:11] * Jucato waves hello at Hobbsee and DaSkreechNSorrow and goes back to bed... [04:12] Jucato: Sleepy? [04:12] sicky [04:12] colds + cold-induced sore throat and itchiness... [04:17] Well [04:18] my cousin just committed suicide so I think I'm going to go lay down as well [04:18] ouch :( [04:18] condolences... [04:18] hope that gets better Jucato [04:19] Thanks Jucato [04:24] * Hobbsee waves at Jucato [04:44] night all [04:45] night :( [04:45] * DaSkreechNSorrow hugs Hobbsee [04:45] * Hobbsee hugs DaSkreechNSorrow back === Vorian_ is now known as vorian [05:32] hola [05:34] nixternal: Happy New Year and all that jazz. [05:34] same to you and all that jazz :) [05:34] Drove through your state on Tuesday. It was cold an snowy. [05:35] tell me about it [05:35] we will be up into the 50s this weekend though [05:35] Stayed far away from Chicago as a result. [05:39] ya, we have just over 10" in our backyard [05:40] My mother in law lives in Easter Iowa. We ended up cutting south from I-80 via I-74 and then taking I-70 east. [05:40] Easter/Eastern [05:41] we didn't get squat in Ohio [05:43] Where in Iowa? I spent night before last snowed in in Zanesville. [05:43] Ohio I mean. [05:44] bah [05:44] I'm in Chillicothe (south of Columbus) [05:44] It snowed and inch, if that. [05:44] Ah. Well I quit for the night when I couldn't tell where the road stopped and the shoulder began. [05:44] hehe [05:45] that's when Ohio's finest drivers hit the road [05:45] you missed the fun [05:45] :) [05:46] On roughly level ground it's OK. I was headed east into the mountain though. [05:46] yeah, not much fun there. [06:00] ScottK: come on, driving through the mountains on 70 rock [06:01] I'm more of a chicken with 3 kids in the car. [06:02] I always like to stop in Breezewood and hang out for a bit before taking that last few hour drive into southern maryland [06:08] I took the southern route using I-79 and I-68, so missed Breezewood this time. [09:16] Hi [09:16] I added a page to the Ubuntu Community documentation. Is this appropriate? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KDERamdisk?action=show [10:47] hi there [10:47] Riddell: I'll upload guidance tomorrow probably, I need python-kde3 to be uploaded first [10:48] G'day. [10:49] Tonio_: you can upload more than one thing at once you know.. [10:49] Riddell: yes I know, but I don't want to put a strict dependancy and wait for the package to build [10:49] Riddell: I prefer to do it that way :) [10:50] atm I'm trying to understand why kdebase still ftbfs while I tested the build locally with success [10:50] my last patch doesn't apply on the build farm but applies locally [10:51] does it contain Makefile.in? [10:56] Riddell: it does [10:57] Riddell: all I changed is a little patch to the kdm.init file in the debian folder, as the system locale isn't used anymore [10:57] Riddell: no big deal... [10:57] but 2 ftbfs for the moment ;) [10:58] stdin: kde4libs_3.98.0~svn755919-2ubuntu3 uploaded with fixed kde4libs-bin.install file [10:59] Riddell: atm I'm still fixing kdepyuic, still some few problems, before uploading [11:30] So. Do we have perl-qt for qt4? [11:30] And someone willing to port qt debconf over? [11:31] Given the sorry state of konsolepart, I can as well stop now if we don't have anything at all. [11:40] mornfall: someone did talk about a perl-qt4 once in #kde-devel, can't remember who [11:41] This will get ugly, quick. [11:41] : - ( [11:42] Choices I can think of [11:42] 1) going without konsole [11:42] - probably need a piping debconf frontend to communicate with adept itself directly [11:42] 2) forking konsole [11:46] Or. Hmh. [11:46] I could harness dpkg somehow. [11:46] Whatever. Bbiab. [11:49] Tonio_: will you pick up latest svn for guidance? [11:49] \sh_away: ping ? [11:50] Tonio_: I might have some patches pending, but not sure if I will have time tonight (might rather work on Slovenian transaltion of kde4 [11:50] Lure: yep I have a package ready [11:50] Lure: please send me the patches [11:50] when ready of course :) [11:50] Tonio_: ok, no problem will wait until next snapshot then [11:51] Tonio_: they are minor improvements, and I plan to do better bug triage in near future) [11:51] Lure: great [12:05] \sh_away: when you read this, kdepyuic code is really buggy, long options don't work by default, as they are written in a simple string and not a list of string.... I'm just fixing this [12:14] Tonio_: don't spend too long on it though, it's about to be obsolete [12:15] Riddell: just finished :/ [12:16] fair enough [12:17] Riddell: well, about to be obsolete doesn't mean anything to me :) I want power-manager translated, whatever needs to be fixed [12:17] if obsolete means another 1 year without translation for it, that's not good :) [12:18] Riddell: python-kde3 uploaded [12:18] Riddell: next thing is ark, I'll try to debug it === jpetso is now known as jpetso_away [12:22] Hm, no perl-qt4. [12:22] I will try the piping thing. [12:25] mornfall: ug [12:25] surely debconf bindings /could/ be written in something other than perl? [12:26] Riddell: kpar2 has been fixed upstream, should be gpl v2 now [12:26] Tonio_: remind me again what kpar2 is? [12:26] Riddell: has t been rejected from the new queue again ? I uploaded it last week [12:26] Tonio_: still in New queue, should I reject? [12:27] Riddell: no, should be accepted I guess ;) [12:27] Riddell: frontend to read splitted archives and auto repair them [12:28] Riddell: used for newsgroups downloading [12:29] Tonio_: I can't accept it while all the files are marked as GPL 3 [12:29] Riddell: those shouldn't [12:29] Riddell: they are marked gpl v3, unless you don't have the good upload :) [12:30] are they all gpl v3 ? [12:30] licensecheck src/* [12:30] src/kpar2object.cpp: GPL (v3 or later) (with incorrect FSF address) [12:30] src/kpar2object.h: GPL (v3 or later) (with incorrect FSF address) [12:30] src/kpar2thread.cpp: GPL (v3 or later) (with incorrect FSF address) [12:30] etc [12:31] Riddell: what's upstream version of the upload ? [12:31] Riddell: problem was resolved with version 0.2.6 [12:32] 0.2.5-0ubuntu1 [12:32] ah, hang on [12:32] there's another one here [12:32] this one should be the good one :) [12:33] Riddell: upstream fixed the issue after my mail [12:33] groovy [12:34] Riddell: well that's not a killer app, but exactly the kind of app some windows users are very happy with, so we need one at least ;) [12:34] Tonio_: accepted [12:34] Riddell: super :) [12:42] interesting, the problem with ark is in fact a problem with tar, last version has a bug.... ;) [12:45] Riddell: Well, not really, since debconf loads the frontend the perl way. [12:46] Riddell: You need to have a frontend that relays to non-perl. === jpetso_away is now known as jpetso [12:52] Riddell: ark problem is due to a change in the way tar outputs the exit status.... [12:52] Riddell: Normalize using TARERROR with an exit status, instead of calling TARERROR with 0 first, then _exit. On exit calls, use EXIT_SUCCESS instead of 0 [12:52] changelog for version 1.19 [12:53] dunno how to fix that in the code btw... maybe checking if exitstatus is different from 1 === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee [13:38] Riddell: hum that ark bug is weird, really, it looks like tar has been change to correct the output and ark has a bug for years, which we couldn't see before... [13:41] seems believable [13:42] kde4 doesn't like compiz... but thats probably not any news. [13:43] Riddell: the issue is when creating the tmp file in fact, the command passed to tar seems to be bad somehow... [13:43] I'll try to get that fixed [13:50] are there daily builds for hardy? [13:53] Riddell: that's a tar bug [13:53] Riddell: I have the patch, here, testing and uploading if it is okay [13:53] patch is from tar cvs repo [13:55] Tonio_: good stuff [13:55] nosrednaekim: CDs, sure [13:55] Riddell: the problem is that due to the poor ark quality, I always investigate on the ark side... [13:55] Riddell: sometimes causing a waste of time :) [13:56] yeah, I just found them. Time to make a hardy partition :) [14:08] nosrednaekim: hi.. your script works fine on kde3 [14:09] iRon: sweet. [14:09] nosrednaekim: much better then starting fusion-icon at startup :) [14:09] iRon: just have to clear something up with mhb and its pretty much done. [14:10] iRon: I would assume its a bit faster too [14:10] it's true [14:13] ok, have a nice day everyone. [14:31] Riddell: thanks for uploading kdebase with the correct fix.... shame on me I don't know what happened.... 2 attempts with a 2 lines patch... [14:31] tar uploaded btw [14:31] Riddell: some users where suggesting to make kdm use preferUser setting by default [14:31] Riddell: I think that would be nice, it uses the user photo if exists instead of the ugly human face icon [14:32] Riddell: interested in using this by default ? [14:34] Tonio_: sure [14:34] I thought it already would [14:34] Riddell: nope, it is commented by default afaik, lemme check [14:35] Jucato: you suggested this to me [14:36] Jucato: how does it check the faces by default ? kdmrc refers to a standard folder so that means the user has to manually put the file in it ? [14:37] Tonio_: yeah they have to manually set a user photo if they haven't, otherwise the plain head is used afaik [14:37] Jucato: seems to use UserOnly by default [14:37] ah the preference? [14:37] Jucato: what should we change to the config then ? [14:38] hm.. isn't it AdminOnly by default? [14:38] Jucato: ah yes default is AdminOnly, we should then use PreferUser or Useronly [14:38] probably PreferUser is better no ? [14:38] PreferUser is better imho [14:38] it uses both with priority given to the users face right ? [14:39] PreferUser will fallback to admin's settings (plain face) if there's no face picture set by the user afaik [14:39] UserOnly will not use anything if there's nothing set by the user (I think) [14:39] yep that seems to be the good way to do [14:39] * Jucato double checks the handbook :P [14:39] Jucato: fuxing kdebase and kds ;) [14:39] hehe :) [14:42] "You can configure the admin picture here, for each user on the system. Depending on the order selected above, users may be able to override your selection." [14:42] http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/kdm/configuring-kdm.html#kdmconfig-users [14:42] not very helpful though hehe [14:44] Riddell: please remember to *not* use ubuntu-devel@ as the maintainer for ppa-based packages [14:45] stdin: ^ [14:47] hrm? [14:47] mornfall: so how about darcs send? [14:48] mornfall: i did some of the aforementioned refactoring [14:48] Riddell: because then the ubutnu people get bugged about bugs in the ppa packages, as they're listed as maintainer [14:48] Riddell: also, koffice has a broken debian/copyright [14:49] Hobbsee: how do they get bugs? [14:50] Riddell: [14:50] --- koffice2-1.9.95.1.orig/debian/copyright [14:50] +++ koffice2-1.9.95.1/debian/copyright [14:50] @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ [14:50] +This package was debianized by Ana Beatriz Guerrero Lopez on [14:50] +Fri, 19 Oct 2007 03:05:46 +0200. [14:50] + [14:50] +It was downloaded from [14:50] + [14:50] +Upstream Author(s): [14:50] + [14:50] + [14:50] + [14:50] + [14:50] +Copyright: [14:51] + [14:51] + [14:51] + [14:51] + [14:51] +License: [14:51] + [14:51] + [14:51] that sort of stuff is classy, especially when it's put on kubuntu.org [14:51] goodness knows what else has been missed [14:51] (and yes, i know stdin's new) [14:53] !pastebin !! [14:53] Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebin !! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [14:53] :D [14:53] http://paste.toniox.org/ [14:53] for example :) [14:55] heh [14:55] sorry :) [14:57] yuriy: One sec. [14:58] moin Hobbsee, Riddell, Tonio_, mornfall, yuriy! :) [14:58] yuriy: Can you try running darcs send? [14:58] hiya Jucato [14:58] yuriy: I have set up _darcs/prefs/email on the two repos. [14:59] Hi all. [15:00] yuriy: I am greylisting so it may take a while to reach me at first. [15:04] Tonio_: wrong version number on k-d-s there (not that it matters) [15:05] Riddell: saw that, just uploaded a new version with soem french translation, labeled 7, not 5ubuntu2 [15:05] Riddell: forgot about the version change, using dch everytime.... [15:16] someone knows if gnome has a frontend to modify the sudoers file ? [15:16] I have an unmaintained peace of code here for kde that looks interesting... [15:16] would be nice to convert that to kcm module [15:17] Tonio_: not that I know of [15:17] Riddell: wouldn't that be interesting ? [15:17] Tonio_: certainly would [15:17] great, will investigate on this on my free time then :) [15:17] community time is only for bug fixing atm [15:18] Riddell: http://ksudo.sourceforge.net/screen_en.php [15:19] Riddell: that in a kcm module would really be nice imho [15:20] Riddell: talking about sudo, lots of people seem to really appreciate kdesudo, even at mandriva or debian :) [15:20] Riddell: hopefully, they didn't look at the code in it haha ! [15:21] argh so much for patches in context === \sh_away is now known as \sh === d-miller_ is now known as d-miller [15:32] ScottK: what is the status or diskmanager ? [15:32] ScottK: need me to work on the package a bit and get it approved ? [15:33] <\sh> hola.... [15:34] <\sh> hey Tonio_ :) [15:34] \sh: hey ;) [15:35] \sh: I had to change a few things to your patch, as the kdepyuic code was buggy on args parsing [15:35] \sh: working like a charm this time, so I upoaded [15:35] \sh: here is the debdiff [15:36] <\sh> Tonio_: cool...if this will fix the problems with the other stuff, we could try to push this patch upstream... [15:36] http://paste.toniox.org/2764 [15:36] <\sh> Tonio_: most likely it will be the same for pykde4 [15:36] \sh: well long options didn't work everytime due to bad getopts usage [15:37] \sh: it has to use a strings list and not a long string [15:37] \sh: feel free to check how it does with pykde4 ;) [15:37] <\sh> Tonio_: so another bugfix :) wonderful :) [15:37] yup [15:38] next to that we should have a translatable guidance-power-manager, which is what I wanted for a very long ime [15:38] it is not nice compared to other distros to have such important things in english [15:38] brb, I have to restart kde due to kdebase update [15:42] yeepee, kdm uses the system locale again :) [15:42] \sh: so yes, best thing would be that kdedistutils uses the i18n option by default [15:42] \sh: but for that, you are the guy to decide what to do, not me :) [15:43] <\sh> Tonio_: what provides kdedistutils? [15:45] \sh: pykdeextensions [15:45] \sh: kdedistutils is used with generic setup.py files [15:45] <\sh> Tonio_: ok...I'll prepare an upstream patch with our changes to kdepyuic and push it upstream [15:45] \sh: see guidance source for example [15:45] <\sh> and then I'll check for pykdeextensions [15:47] mornfall: sending [15:47] mornfall: i had to resolve the conflict with your changes since i moved the code to a different file, but hopefully all is fine (seems to work) [15:48] mornfall: the checkboxes are really slow for some reason though [15:48] apachelogger: ping ? [15:58] mornfall: ignore the first e-mail, forgot to merge something, 2nd one is good. [15:58] Riddell: is there an easy way to get kde4-only install of hardy? Just install server/minimal + some kde4 meta package? [15:59] Riddell: will we have kubuntu-kde4-desktop? [15:59] Lure: kde4 or kde4-core [15:59] kubuntu-kde4-desktop yes when seeds get sorted [15:59] I havn't tested those two by the way, would be interesting to know if they work [16:00] Riddell: I plan to install my old home desktop tonight, so will report back [16:01] I want to see kubuntu kde4 packages (my laptop is always on SVN version) [16:02] kubuntu-kde4-desktop will be the package to install kde4 on kubuntu then? [16:02] jjesse: one day yes [16:02] hrmm will probablly rebuild laptop then with it ;) [16:12] <\sh> Tonio_: I send the patch upstream [16:13] \sh: super :) [16:14] \sh: have an idea about that ? [16:14] pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: libhd13-dev which is a virtual package [16:14] looks very real package to me.... [16:15] Riddell: already seen that with pbuilder ? [16:15] Riddell: this package indeed provides the old version, but is seen by aptitude like a virtual package....... weird [16:16] * Tonio_ hates aptitude...... [16:16] <\sh> Tonio_: I saw something similiar inside pbuilder..a different package but a similiar message [16:16] \sh: seems like an aptitude bug in fact [16:17] or pbuilder bug in aptitude usage......; [16:17] <\sh> Tonio_: try it with apt :) [16:17] <\sh> or just a bug in pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy [16:17] \sh: how to change that in pbuilder, is there a way to confiure it ? [16:17] Tonio_: it is pbuilder...I have seen not only that package name, but others along with it...sometimes I had problems, but most of the time everything went smooth [16:19] pbuilder-satisfydepends-classic [16:20] that will do the trick ;) [16:20] <\sh> the default pbuilder-satisfydepends should do it.. [16:21] \sh: it now points to the "aptitude" implementation, see pbuilderrc manpage [16:21] \sh: changing this to the classic will back to old apt usage [16:21] <\sh> Tonio_: for hardy? on gutsy it's still the old one [16:21] \sh: changed with hardy yep [16:22] <\sh> Tonio_: oh groovy :) [16:22] ;) [16:26] <\sh> hmmm...I should do an upgrade to hardy... [16:26] * ryanakca wonders the same thing [16:27] * ryanakca guesses he'll start the upgrade before bed tonight [16:28] <\sh> 11 mins left ,-) [16:29] there is a really nasty bug on hardy I'd like to see fixed, but I didn't found out the solution myself [16:30] if someone is interested : in kdepim, the kitchensync plugin for kontact is disabled by default, and causes a segfault if activated... [16:30] bad not to have sync in the menu, especially since kitchensync works like a charm standalone.... [16:32] wolfger: werd! (even though you are from michigan) [16:32] * vorian hides [16:59] Tonio_: I haven't been reviewing new packages this cycle, so I'm not sure about diskmanager. [17:05] k [17:14] Tonio_: pong === \sh is now known as \sh_away [17:31] apachelogger: profoX in #kde-devel wants an amarok developer [17:48] hrmm, my desktop froze...I haven't had a hard freeze in Kubuntu ever..that was a first [17:49] nixternal: doing anything interesting? [17:49] at the time [17:49] I am hula dancing, that's it :) [17:49] what's up? [17:50] just sitting waiting for KDE 4 tars to appear :) [17:50] hehe [17:51] refreshing ktown over and over? [17:51] konqueror's auto refresh :D [17:51] hehe [17:51] gotta be careful though [17:51] you can get away if you are using fish:// [17:52] but I did that before with sftp:// and it said I had to many connections and booted me out :p [17:52] lol [17:52] talking about fish [17:52] it's broken in .0 [17:52] well, not br0ken [17:52] just mostly useless [17:52] you can't really use it anywhere than in konqueror/dolphin [17:52] I thought fish:// was going to be replaced with sftp:// [17:53] *shrug* [17:53] still there [17:53] it works in places where sftp doesn't [17:53] and has broken umlauts :D [17:53] hrmm, I though for some reason that sftp:// would work with all ssh [17:53] learning something new every day [17:53] I think that's one of the oldest bugs in kde anyway [17:53] broken umlauts in fish [17:54] * apachelogger is wondering why compiling kdegames was that fast [17:54] me too [17:54] so I wasn't the only one to notice that [17:55] that was like 5 minutes [17:55] mine didn't even take that long [17:55] I compiled kdelibs this morning in about 7 minutes [17:55] probably icecream did slow it down :P [17:55] kdepim seemed to have gone much faster [17:55] nixternal: fresh compile? [17:55] kdepim has always been the compile hog [17:55] yes, fresh [17:56] very strange [17:56] using the -j3 flag now is unbelievably faster [17:56] -j4 here [17:58] I have a podcast interview in like 2 hours [17:58] I hate those [17:58] nixternal: 'bout kubuntu? [17:58] about me [17:58] boring [17:58] but me == kubuntu :p [17:58] :P [17:58] hahahaha [17:58] ass [17:58] hm [17:59] promo++ [17:59] you know it [17:59] * apachelogger is kinda afraid of the amarok2 promo [17:59] the campaign is going to kill me [17:59] one way or another [17:59] come on, amarok is already known as one of the greatest multimedia apps evah! [18:00] even people at school know what amarok is, and actually a few have tried out linux because of it [18:00] is there, or will there be, a windows port of it? [18:00] when I'm talking about world domination .... I'm usually serious [18:01] nixternal: actually due to the fairly long beta testing there should be one the very same time as binaries for linux [18:01] nice [18:01] put that bad boy on a "free software" CD and smack all kinds of people with it :) [18:01] woah, indeed :D [18:01] I finally installed iTunes on my Windows box cuz I have never used it before...and it is by far the dumbest thing I have seen [18:02] I will take WMP over it any day of the week [18:02] yeah, I can't use it either [18:02] it is weird [18:02] the nu winamp also appears rather strange to me [18:02]