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hit | python-glade2 has just got broken | 00:46 |
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hit | i'm asked to do apt-get install -f, but it will remove almost everything | 00:46 |
hit | including ubuntu-desktop and so on | 00:46 |
h3sp4wn | hit: use aptitude | 00:54 |
h3sp4wn | see what it suggests | 00:54 |
hit | also my tab isnt working anymore in terminal | 00:55 |
hit | aptitude seemd work | 00:56 |
hit | but this tab-thing | 00:57 |
hit | works with folders, but that's all | 00:57 |
h3sp4wn | there is no folders | 01:07 |
hit | ah what the hell | 01:17 |
hit | *compiling supertux* | 01:18 |
mbt | anyone know why the terminal is now attempting to transliterate unicode characters when they are input? | 01:50 |
graft | yo, any idea when all these kde4 packages are going to be un-broken? | 03:29 |
Hobbsee | "when they're done" | 03:35 |
dastal | anyone here use usenet? | 04:19 |
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igoogle | hi guys | 05:15 |
mbt | ello | 05:15 |
igoogle | i use 8.04 now | 05:17 |
igoogle | it always shutdown | 05:17 |
mbt | What do you mean? | 05:18 |
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mbt | Anyone notice some breakage in the terminal in Hardy, particularly with respect to unicode character input and output? | 05:22 |
graft | nope, no breakage here | 05:53 |
graft | well, dnno about input | 05:53 |
graft | but output seems fine | 05:53 |
graft | i think | 05:53 |
bazhang | same here | 05:53 |
mbt | just seems that man pages do not appear right (lots of unicode ? markings of missing glyphs). On entering unicode char 2122, I get a transliterated (TM) instead of ™. | 05:54 |
mbt | Same for the copyright, reg trademark, æ and œ symbols and ligatures. | 05:54 |
bazhang | well it is alpha 2 :} | 05:55 |
graft | hrmmm | 05:55 |
graft | using http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt i get lots of boxen | 05:55 |
mbt | Egads. Same here. I had not thought to try that file. | 05:56 |
graft | but i have no idea how it compares to gutsy | 05:56 |
graft | oh wait i have a gutsy box, hold on a sec | 05:56 |
mbt | I am using the settings from my Gutsy box---unicode in gnome-terminal was working great for me there. | 05:57 |
graft | oh wait, the terminal is the same, duh | 05:57 |
mbt | "man ls" has issues for me, too | 05:57 |
graft | seems similar in gutsy | 05:58 |
mbt | I thought maybe something was up, but when I rebooted back to Gutsy it all works correctly, no transliterating and such | 05:58 |
graft | actually seems better in hardy | 05:58 |
graft | hrm... well seems different in hardy, anyway | 05:58 |
mbt | I noticed the transliterating only because I use an international keyboard, and now résumé appears as "r?sum?" on the terminal | 05:58 |
graft | seems odd | 06:00 |
graft | i'm using konsole | 06:00 |
graft | seems like some glyphs were added, some were lost | 06:01 |
mbt | Does Konsole/KDE let you enter arbitrary unicode characters with the keyboard? | 06:01 |
graft | probably, using SKIM or whatever, but i dunno how | 06:05 |
bazhang | arbitrary as in other language? | 06:06 |
mbt | Alrighty. Well, I think I am going to file a bug---it is frustrating to be seemingly limited once again to a subset of American English characters. | 06:06 |
mbt | As in GNOME, where you can press Left Control+Left Shift+u, then type the unicode code point followed by a space. e.g., C-S-u, then 2122 <SPC>, gets ™ | 06:07 |
mbt | You can do that with any valid Unicode character, and if there is a glyph in the font for it, it should show up. | 06:07 |
spr0k3t | mbt: learned something new... thanks | 06:07 |
mbt | spr0k3t: NP. I have a page with more info on that, actually, and some common characters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fd0man/Information/GNOME-Unicode | 06:08 |
spr0k3t | I have a friend of mine who was looking for this just the other day. They couldn't find the | on a finish keyboard using the en_us layout. | 06:10 |
mbt | ASCII pipe, solid bar, or split bar? (there are three distinct code points that I know of for them) | 06:11 |
spr0k3t | ASCII pipe | 06:11 |
mbt | Should be Shift+\ | 06:11 |
mbt | On an American layout. | 06:11 |
spr0k3t | the \ didn't exist on the finish keyboard since the enter key is the full L the the backspace isn't split | 06:12 |
spr0k3t | at least, using the en_us layout on the finish keyboard. seemed weird | 06:12 |
mbt | Ahh. Not entirely sure then, lol. It is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_bar | 06:13 |
mbt | Character 0x7c | 06:13 |
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scizzo- | hey all...I have added a forum thread about fixing the 100% fan problems on nvidia drivers that is in hardy at the moment | 12:35 |
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virtuelv | does language packs break for everyone in alpha 2? | 13:21 |
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telexicon | Is updating broken atm? I'm getting "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libstdc++6" | 17:37 |
mbt | you have to install it first -- | 17:37 |
mbt | sudo apt-get install libstdc++6 | 17:37 |
mbt | then you should be able to update | 17:37 |
mbt | don't know why that worked, but that is what got it going for me. | 17:37 |
telexicon | so why is it forcing me to install it when im doing update + upgrade ... | 17:37 |
mbt | i found that solution on the forums | 17:37 |
telexicon | ok | 17:38 |
mbt | i don't know---i don't understand (yet) the internals of APT | 17:38 |
telexicon | i think its a mistake | 17:38 |
mbt | well, yeah, it is a bug somewhere | 17:38 |
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pmratpoison | I read that kubuntu hardy won't be officially supported. Will it have kde 4? | 18:22 |
mbt | kde 4 is a long, long away from being usable generally and stable | 18:22 |
mbt | it will probably have it as an unsupported option | 18:22 |
pmratpoison | if I have ati and I want to use compiz, will I have to do it over xgl, or with AIGLX? | 18:23 |
mbt | if you use the very latest ati driver, it supports aiglx, but it is kinda buggy | 18:23 |
pmratpoison | Do you know when the new and improved open driver will be released? what is the progress? | 18:24 |
pmratpoison | (I'm referring to ATI of course) | 18:25 |
mbt | not sure | 18:28 |
mbt | i know that there is supposed to be one, and personally, i cannot wait for it, but it will probably be at least another year or two | 18:29 |
SeveredCross | 7.11/7.12 are good,. | 18:39 |
SeveredCross | But Compiz is fuxxed | 18:39 |
SeveredCross | It checks for GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap and claims that the ATI driver doesn't have it. | 18:39 |
SeveredCross | However, if I do exactly what it does to check for it, it exists. | 18:39 |
mbt | oh? | 18:39 |
SeveredCross | Yeah. | 18:39 |
mbt | i was wondering about that | 18:39 |
mbt | i had compiz working under gutsy, but it flat out told me "no" on hardy | 18:40 |
SeveredCross | The glxinfo output on my ATI system (Catalyst 7.11) says that GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is present. | 18:40 |
SeveredCross | Yeah, same for me. | 18:40 |
SeveredCross | But, when compiz runs the check, it fails. | 18:40 |
SeveredCross | And then it fails with indirect rendering too. | 18:40 |
SeveredCross | I think it's a Compiz bug and not an ATI driver issue, because it worked on Gutsy. | 18:40 |
* SeveredCross smells a regression, | 18:40 | |
mbt | well, someone who knows a thing about graphics and gl will have to look into that one... i can't. i am working on another (very old) annoyance atm | 18:41 |
SeveredCross | bojan@sirius:~$ glxinfo | grep -c GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap | 18:41 |
SeveredCross | 2 | 18:41 |
SeveredCross | Now, the problem is, Compiz looks for gt 2. | 18:41 |
Pici | Theres a bug logged for that. | 18:42 |
SeveredCross | Yeah, I found it. | 18:42 |
Pici | I've been subscribed for a while, but havent seen any activity recently on it | 18:42 |
SeveredCross | Has anyone figured out what the regression was from Gutsy to Hardy that broke that? | 18:42 |
mbt | what is the bug # | 18:43 |
Pici | I'm guessing new fglrx. | 18:43 |
SeveredCross | No, because it worked in Gutsy. | 18:43 |
Amaranth | What bug number? | 18:43 |
Pici | But there were new fglrx drivers in hardy... | 18:43 |
Pici | Bug 173663 | 18:43 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 173663 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "compiz will not launch with fglrx driver - falls back to metacity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173663 | 18:43 |
SeveredCross | Pici: I did it in Gutsy with the same fglrx driver that's in Hardy--catalyst 7.11 | 18:43 |
Amaranth | SeveredCross: Pastebin glxinfo and the output when you run compiz | 18:44 |
SeveredCross | It jumped into Indirect Rendering mode because that grep count wasn't >2, it is exactly 2, but it worked. | 18:44 |
Amaranth | Dude we don't check > 2 | 18:44 |
Amaranth | oh, we do, someone changed that :P | 18:45 |
Amaranth | But what that means is that while both the server and the client support it they're not talking to each other so it's not a supported extension | 18:45 |
Amaranth | Which means: your driver is broken | 18:45 |
SeveredCross | http://pastebin.com/m6bef129e | 18:45 |
SeveredCross | Hmm. That's really odd, because it worked on Gutsy. | 18:46 |
mbt | same here | 18:46 |
Pici | Amaranth: Can you suggest and/or change that bug so that someone looks at it? | 18:46 |
SeveredCross | And are you sure that they don't check >2? | 18:46 |
SeveredCross | if [ $($GLXINFO 2>/dev/null | grep GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap -c) -gt 2 ] ; then | 18:46 |
SeveredCross | Line 155 | 18:46 |
SeveredCross | Er, 159. | 18:46 |
SeveredCross | /usr/bin/compiz | 18:46 |
Amaranth | yes, i see, someone changed it :) | 18:46 |
Amaranth | but it is a correct check | 18:46 |
Amaranth | # | 18:46 |
Amaranth | GLX extensions: | 18:46 |
Amaranth | # | 18:46 |
Amaranth | GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context, | 18:46 |
Amaranth | # | 18:46 |
Amaranth | GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_OML_swap_method, | 18:47 |
Amaranth | # | 18:47 |
Pici | It wont work even if its changed. | 18:47 |
Amaranth | GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group | 18:47 |
Amaranth | err, that pasted wrong | 18:47 |
SeveredCross | I know it won't work if it's changed, I'm just pointing out the fact. | 18:47 |
Pici | Yes. | 18:47 |
Pici | Yes it did. | 18:47 |
Amaranth | do you see GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap in there? that's where it needed to be | 18:47 |
Amaranth | Which means...your driver is broken | 18:47 |
SeveredCross | Again, that doesn't answer the question of why it worked on Gutsy. | 18:47 |
Amaranth | Because your driver worked with xserver 1.3 | 18:47 |
Amaranth | hardy is xserver 1.4 | 18:47 |
SeveredCross | <_> | 18:48 |
SeveredCross | The indirect rendering stuff changed. | 18:48 |
SeveredCross | That would explain it. I didn't check that. | 18:48 |
Amaranth | The ddx (driver) API/ABI changed | 18:48 |
Amaranth | Not a compiz bug, that's all I know or care about :) | 18:49 |
SeveredCross | So just gotta wait for ATI to catch up on the xserver API/ABI. | 18:49 |
Amaranth | SeveredCross: Try 7.12 | 18:50 |
SeveredCross | Has resolution issues, no good. | 18:51 |
SeveredCross | Drops me to 1280xsomething rather than my full 1440x900. | 18:51 |
SeveredCross | I'll wait for 7.13 | 18:52 |
Amaranth | That's ATI for you | 18:52 |
Amaranth | Fix one thing, break another | 18:52 |
SeveredCross | They're getting better though. ^_^ | 18:52 |
Amaranth | nvidia is almost just as bad | 18:52 |
mbt | so wait, the fix is new driver or roll back xserver, is that right? | 18:52 |
Amaranth | You do not want to roll back the xserver | 18:52 |
SeveredCross | Yeah. | 18:52 |
Amaranth | catalyst 7.12 might help | 18:53 |
mbt | well, of course not lol i don't mess with modular X at all | 18:53 |
mbt | too many interoperability issues are possible | 18:54 |
mbt | meh, i will just wait. dreamy windows are not that important to me personally, they are just cool | 18:55 |
Amaranth | "In addition, AMD will be open-sourcing part of their new proprietary OpenGL driver and will be in a state so that it can be patched into the existing R300+ Mesa driver." | 18:55 |
Amaranth | that's cool | 18:55 |
Pici | Thats neat | 18:55 |
mbt | it will be very nice when ati drivers perform as good as or better than nvidia ones... this is the only ati system i have, and it has been one frustrating thing after another with that proprietary blob | 18:56 |
Amaranth | I'm hoping nouveau gets 3d support soon | 18:57 |
Amaranth | that's probably ~6 months away though | 18:57 |
h3sp4wn | If the specs are freely available - my money would be on XiG having the best drivers (they have for years now) | 19:02 |
SeveredCross | XiG? | 19:02 |
wfarr | Is anyone in here particularly knowledgeable or familiar with the alternate (text-based) installer? | 19:03 |
mbt | any idea if there is a nouveau like project publicly available for ati cards? | 19:03 |
SeveredCross | I thought Avivo was the ATI card equivalent? | 19:04 |
SeveredCross | Or at least a project named Avivo | 19:04 |
SeveredCross | Unrelated to the ATI video technology. | 19:04 |
wfarr | mbt: 'radeon' is the only comparable driver in that case, I think | 19:04 |
mbt | i might have to try that one out, then... the only two that i have tried thus far are ati and fglrx | 19:04 |
wfarr | ati == radeon, as far as xorg is concerned | 19:05 |
wfarr | it's only really decent on older cards | 19:05 |
mbt | ahh alrighty | 19:05 |
h3sp4wn | SeveredCross: http://www.xig.com/Pages/Edu/OpenSourceATI.pdf (dunno what makes this time any different to last time both parties had the specs) | 19:08 |
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MenZa | Hmm, when I try to update my Hardy box (it's Hardy currently), it tells me I need to do a full distribution update (with update-manager). It can't authenticate my packages and errors on it. | 22:00 |
mbt | it should prompt you to continue, not error out | 22:00 |
mbt | where is it erroring out? | 22:00 |
MenZa | nevermind me; I'm an idiot. an aptitude update fixed it. | 22:01 |
MenZa | It just says it can't authenticate packages and lists a ton of packages, from cups to compiz and so on | 22:01 |
mbt | right, and the gui should let you continue | 22:01 |
MenZa | It prompts me first, but then it gives me an error. | 22:01 |
MenZa | It doesn't. | 22:01 |
mbt | basically saying "okay, they are unauthenticated, so what" | 22:01 |
mbt | lol | 22:01 |
MenZa | Nope, just says it can't upgrade because it can't authenticate them | 22:02 |
mbt | hrm. what was the error text? | 22:02 |
MenZa | meh, updating my sources fixed it | 22:02 |
MenZa | I don't recall | 22:02 |
MenZa | :p | 22:02 |
mbt | k | 22:02 |
mbt | well if you come across it again, i would file that as a bug | 22:02 |
MenZa | I will | 22:02 |
* MenZa is still happy with how stable Hardy is, compared to its development stage | 22:02 | |
MenZa | then again, all Ubuntu dev releases I've used since Dapper were quite good | 22:03 |
mbt | The only release I had issues with during the Alpha was Gutsy | 22:03 |
mbt | I put this on my laptop to test it, though, and I have actually not booted back into Gutsy yet. | 22:03 |
mbt | lol | 22:03 |
MenZa | I just use Hardy on my laptop because Gutsy is really annoying when it comes to ALSA | 22:03 |
MenZa | badly-compiled module or something | 22:04 |
MenZa | works fine on Hardy | 22:04 |
* MenZa shrugs. | 22:04 | |
mbt | Though it seems that there is some breakage in APT | 22:04 |
MenZa | Looking at bug reports? | 22:05 |
* MenZa checks launchpad. | 22:05 | |
mbt | No, I think I am about to file one though as soon as I can figure out what is causing my own issue | 22:05 |
MenZa | aha | 22:05 |
Pici | Theres always apt dependency breakage in hardy | 22:05 |
mbt | I pinned my coreutils to that which came with Hardy, and it keeps wanting to upgrade to the one in my PPA, even though it is pinned | 22:05 |
MenZa | lol | 22:05 |
MenZa | Pici: I can imagine. | 22:06 |
mbt | And it then did in fact upgrade, but every time I run apt-get upgrade, it says "We need to upgrade again." | 22:06 |
MenZa | I just find it weird why this insists on running a "Distribution" upgrade | 22:06 |
MenZa | hmm | 22:06 |
mbt | And so it unpacks it and sets it up | 22:06 |
mbt | Well, that is because core packages changed | 22:06 |
MenZa | I see | 22:06 |
Pici | I always full-upgrade | 22:06 |
MenZa | Pici: I just use update-manager | 22:07 |
MenZa | easier | 22:07 |
MenZa | hmm | 22:07 |
MenZa | I'm scared to reboot now ._. | 22:07 |
MenZa | :p | 22:07 |
mbt | eh, you have the installer on CD, right? | 22:07 |
Pici | I have an alias that does sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade | 22:07 |
* MenZa does it nonetheless. | 22:07 | |
MenZa | mbt: The installer on CD? | 22:07 |
mbt | MenZa: Yeah. | 22:07 |
mbt | MenZa: If you do, then don't be scurred, you can bring the Alpha back from the dead if it kills itself. :) | 22:07 |
MenZa | hehehe | 22:08 |
MenZa | I don't think I do | 22:08 |
MenZa | I'll download it on my desktop if I need it | 22:08 |
MenZa | Works fine after a reboot. | 22:08 |
MenZa | :) | 22:08 |
* MenZa crosses fingers, hoping it will log in | 22:08 | |
MenZa | Ah, logs in fine | 22:09 |
MenZa | Thank God | 22:09 |
MenZa | oh yeah | 22:09 |
MenZa | I need to re-compile my wifi driver | 22:09 |
MenZa | typical | 22:09 |
* MenZa growls | 22:09 | |
MenZa | Pici: what is this alias, out of curiosity? | 22:10 |
Pici | MenZa: hmm? I made it myself. | 22:10 |
Pici | full-upgrade runs that ^ | 22:10 |
MenZa | ahh | 22:10 |
MenZa | yes, it was the title of the alias I wanted. .D | 22:11 |
MenZa | :D* | 22:11 |
h3sp4wn | I have had cron-apt - running safe-upgrade | 22:11 |
h3sp4wn | for a few months (to prove to myself that aptitude never messes up whilst apt-get does all the time) | 22:11 |
MenZa | hehehe | 22:11 |
MenZa | mm, this emerald theme makes me happy | 22:11 |
MenZa | whee | 22:13 |
MenZa | I have working intertubes | 22:13 |
MenZa | <3 madwifi | 22:13 |
MenZa | </3 having to re-compile for each new kernel | 22:13 |
h3sp4wn | using custom patches ? | 22:13 |
MenZa | just a madwifi kernel module; I have to use an svn version for it to support my card | 22:14 |
MenZa | revision 2756 to be exact | 22:14 |
MenZa | with a patch applied | 22:14 |
h3sp4wn | for the eepc ? | 22:14 |
MenZa | nope | 22:14 |
MenZa | Toshiba Satellite L40-10Q | 22:14 |
MenZa | it's an atheros network | 22:14 |
MenZa | + card | 22:14 |
h3sp4wn | Is it the patch atheros sent that breaks all other targets except i386 | 22:15 |
MenZa | yup | 22:16 |
MenZa | :D | 22:16 |
MenZa | thank God for i386. <3 | 22:16 |
MenZa | 7w 55 | 22:24 |
mbt | wow | 22:36 |
mbt | how do you break everything but ia32 | 22:36 |
Seveas | use ia32 specific code in code that should be arch-independent | 22:38 |
Seveas | not too hard | 22:38 |
mbt | well, we aren't using assembly language, and shouldn't c code be abstracted in some way to isolate from ia32isms? | 22:39 |
mbt | is there nothing in the kernel-space that does that, like providing some sort of small runtime for drivers that abstract away the platform differences? | 22:40 |
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forsaken | is there a good place to follow changes that are happening in the alpha's? I'm running it and just curious whats being done on it :) | 23:25 |
forsaken | my /var/www has permissions of: ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? www, and i can't delete it as root, anyone know whats up with that? | 23:40 |
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