| nixternal | are we putting docs in /usr/lib/kde4 as well? I thought I seen with kdelibs or something some of them going into /usr/share | 00:04 |
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| Riddell | should be /usr/lib/kde4 | 00:04 |
| nixternal | roger | 00:05 |
| nixternal | Riddell: want debdiffs or do you want me to go ahead and upload? | 00:12 |
| Riddell | nixternal: just go ahead and upload | 00:15 |
| Riddell | well | 00:15 |
| Riddell | they should get stuck in New, I can let them through when toma releases them | 00:15 |
| nixternal | roger | 00:15 |
| nixternal | actually, plasma won't get stuck in new | 00:15 |
| Riddell | nixternal: wait with that then | 00:16 |
| nixternal | ya | 00:16 |
| nixternal | I will post a debdiff for you | 00:16 |
| Riddell | I have a new version waiting on the kdebase-* to compile anyway | 00:16 |
| nixternal | roger | 00:16 |
| nixternal | we have to wait a week? | 00:16 |
| Riddell | release on 11th, we can let them through a day or two before I guess to get it into backports | 00:17 |
| nixternal | groovy | 00:18 |
| nixternal | and when that happens, my laptop gets its first wipe in almost 2 years | 00:18 |
| Riddell | seele: going to SCALE? | 00:20 |
| fdoving | nite. | 00:20 |
| nixternal | hopefully I am, but I think she is, she has blogged it a few times :) | 00:20 |
| nixternal | k'nite fdoving | 00:20 |
| nixternal | what is stopping Oo.o from updating? it is in a constant "remove" state | 00:25 |
| nosrednaekim | wow.... huge review here http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/ubuntubeyondthehype.html | 00:37 |
| nosrednaekim | just a bit about kubuntu | 00:37 |
| stdin | Riddell: should kdelibs5-dev Conflicts: kdelibs4-dev ? | 00:38 |
| Riddell | stdin: no, does it? | 00:38 |
| stdin | yeah | 00:39 |
| stdin | I remember the last sync from debian did that too | 00:39 |
| Riddell | stdin: well spotted, up goes ubuntu5 | 00:41 |
| stdin | well other than that the new package update from RC2 (base install) just fine :) | 00:41 |
| Riddell | great | 00:43 |
| Riddell | stdin: I've the rest to upload too but I think I'll wait until a buildd admin can give back kdebase-* so it actually gets compiled | 00:46 |
| * Riddell sleeps | 00:47 | |
| stdin | ok, good night | 00:47 |
| nixternal | ahhh, that explains why I just almost removed kdelibs-kde3 stuff :) | 00:47 |
| nixternal | gonna grab a bite to eat, back in a bit | 00:48 |
| ubuntu | wow.... hardy looks nice :) (this is nosrednaekim BTW) | 02:00 |
| nixternal | no0by name | 02:01 |
| nixternal | ;P | 02:01 |
| ubuntu | I know <_< .... I think i'm going to install this... | 02:01 |
| * ScottK waits for his hard drive to catch fire. | 02:03 | |
| nixternal | lol | 02:03 |
| ubuntu | you know what? they got rid of glxinfo off the liveCD. | 02:04 |
| ubuntu | hmmm is it known that dolphin in hard displays two context menus on the right hand side? | 02:10 |
| ubuntu | *in hardy | 02:12 |
| nixternal | http://media.libsyn.com/media/dsyates/lottalinuxlinks_59.mp3 | 05:24 |
| nixternal | if you want a good laugh, there is my interview podcast from today | 05:24 |
| Baudelaire | later.. | 05:26 |
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| mornfall | Morgen. | 09:43 |
| mornfall | yuriy: poke. | 09:45 |
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| Lure | Riddell: do you understand why kdebase-workspace was published, but not kdebase-kde4, while both have built successfully? | 11:22 |
| Lure | kdebase-kde4 is still 3.97 in archive | 11:22 |
| Lure | build was successful: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11161818/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.kdebase-kde4_4%3A3.98.0%7Esvn755919-1ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz | 11:22 |
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| Lure | kdebase-runtime is also fine, just kdebase-kde4 is strange | 11:24 |
| * Hobbsee will hedge a guess at a launchpad bug. | 11:24 | |
| Hobbsee | Lure: hardy? ppa? what? | 11:24 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: hardy | 11:24 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: new queue/ | 11:25 |
| Hobbsee | # libkonq5-templates_3.98.0~svn755919-1ubuntu1_all.deb (38.4 KiB) NEW | 11:26 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: can you fix that? | 11:27 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: it is anyway just moving files around | 11:27 |
| Riddell | Lure: kdebase-kde4 is stuck in new for a new binary | 11:27 |
| Lure | Riddell: can you fix that? ;-) | 11:27 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: would have to fix my fixing, if i did. | 11:27 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: lol | 11:27 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: you can test how go he is in that ;-) | 11:28 |
| Lure | btw, what is URL for new queue | 11:28 |
| Lure | I forgot it since I did not need it for long | 11:28 |
| Lure | got it, is logical ;-) | 11:29 |
| Lure | ubuntu/hardy/+queue | 11:29 |
| Hobbsee | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?batch=500 | 11:29 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: thanks, that batch thing is useful | 11:29 |
| Riddell | freed | 11:31 |
| Lure | Riddell: thanks - I expect I need to wait until nexty publisher run, right? | 11:35 |
| Riddell | Lure: yes | 11:36 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: can you give-back kdeedu-kde4? | 11:37 |
| Hobbsee | done | 11:38 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: thanks | 11:38 |
| mornfall | Pondery-ponder. | 11:41 |
| mornfall | I think I can rape the editor debconf frontend. | 11:42 |
| mornfall | By supplying a right EDITOR that would tell adept what to edit and wait for it. Hmh. | 11:43 |
| Riddell | mornfall: sounds narferous | 11:43 |
| mornfall | Parse error. | 11:43 |
| Riddell | devious | 11:45 |
| mornfall | Hm. | 11:45 |
| mornfall | It should actually work fairly well. Probably better than having a custom debconf frontend for that. | 11:46 |
| mornfall | I am just wondering if it is going to be easier to use dbus somehow, or a usual unix fifo... | 11:47 |
| Riddell | debconf over dbus? | 11:49 |
| mornfall | Nono, I just need this: | 11:50 |
| mornfall | My adept-debconf-editor would (possibly over dbus or over a fifo) notify the running adept instance that debconf is waiting for answers and that the file that has the quetions is under /tmp/foobar | 11:51 |
| fdoving | dbus is nice. | 11:51 |
| mornfall | Then it (to emulate the way editors work) wait till the user clicks Ok/Next whatever in adept and then exit (and adept itself would edit the file). | 11:52 |
| mornfall | But. | 11:52 |
| Jucato | speaking of debconf and Adept, I think there's a debconf bug that causes Adept to crash: bug 119243 | 11:52 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 119243 in adept "adept manager & license agreement issue (dup-of: 108185)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119243 | 11:52 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 108185 in adept "Adept crashes if Java license agreement is not accepted" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108185 | 11:52 |
| mornfall | Well, yeah. | 11:53 |
| mornfall | Will be fixed in new codebase I suppose. | 11:53 |
| fdoving | dbus is also a breeze to implement. | 11:53 |
| mornfall | fdoving: Well, how? : - ) | 11:53 |
| fdoving | there is a techbase page about it. | 11:54 |
| mornfall | I need to put something into environment (variables) for a shell script to be able to call through it. | 11:54 |
| mornfall | Into adept. And I somehow doubt that the shell script is able to wait for a dbus signal or anything. | 11:54 |
| mornfall | So a pure dbus solution doesn't really sound all that plausible? Dunno. | 11:55 |
| fdoving | what will the shellscript do? | 11:55 |
| mornfall | See above. | 11:55 |
| mornfall | (The adept-debconf-editor thing.) | 11:55 |
| fdoving | adept-debconf-editor would be a shellscript notifying adept that it's waiting? | 11:56 |
| mornfall | Just like emacsclient, if you know that. But it uses sockets or such. | 11:56 |
| fdoving | then it needs something back, right? | 11:56 |
| mornfall | fdoving: Right. | 11:56 |
| mornfall | (Well, something ~ just an ACK that the user is done.) | 11:56 |
| fdoving | dbus calls can return something, as they really are regular functions. | 11:56 |
| fdoving | can't you put the answer in the return reply? | 11:57 |
| mornfall | Can I have a dbus call take 10 minutes eg.? | 11:57 |
| fdoving | not sure, but i guess so. why not? | 11:57 |
| mornfall | fdoving: That's sort of useless. | 11:57 |
| mornfall | (Since debconf anyway wants the answer in a file, and it is easier to put it there with adept.) | 11:57 |
| mornfall | I'll just use kill(1). Easy and POSIX. | 11:59 |
| fdoving | elegant :) | 12:02 |
| mornfall | And all I need that way is PID in say $ADEPT_PID and in the script wait for a timestamp change or such. | 12:04 |
| Riddell | nixternal: fancy submitting this to the dot? http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/01/04/kde-4-0-0-tagged-in-preparation-for-release | 12:26 |
| mornfall | Another possibility is a passthrough frontend that seems to handle unix sockets. Hm. | 12:27 |
| mhb | morning | 12:38 |
| mhb | Riddell: what is the KDE4 plan, are we going to ship in Hardy KDE4.0.0 as it is now or some svn checkout from the KDE4.0.X branch? | 12:50 |
| Riddell | mhb: latest 4.0.x branch | 13:13 |
| Lure | Riddell: shouldn't kdm-kde4 install /etc/init.d/kdm4 ? | 13:24 |
| Riddell | Lure: yes, I havn't looked at kdm-kde4 at all | 13:24 |
| Riddell | dbg packages are also broken | 13:25 |
| Lure | Riddell: will look into kdm startup, as I do not want kde3 kdm or gdm | 13:26 |
| Lure | Riddell: should kdm4 be coexistant with kdm3? | 13:34 |
| Lure | Riddell: and I expect we add <name>-kde4.* files in debian and leaving debian's intact? | 13:40 |
| Riddell | Lure: yes ideally, although it's not the most important issue for it | 13:40 |
| Lure | Riddell: problem is that we just rename package names in debian/control, but did not rename also .postrm/.postinst/... files | 13:41 |
| Lure | so they are not picked up by cdbs | 13:42 |
| Riddell | if that's the only problem, can't be too hard :) | 13:42 |
| Lure | Riddell: that + fixing paths/names in scripts | 13:43 |
| Lure | Riddell: should I duplicate debian's or rename debian's (so having both kdm-kde4.* and kdm.*, only the later being used) | 13:44 |
| Riddell | Lure: rename | 13:44 |
| Lure | looking at other .install, I would say rename | 13:44 |
| Lure | ok | 13:44 |
| Lure | Riddell: I suspect /var and /etc are not in /usr/lib/kde4, right? | 13:51 |
| Riddell | Lure: they can be | 13:56 |
| Lure | Riddell: at least for /var that is not really acceptable, as /usr can be read-only (in theory) | 13:57 |
| Riddell | true | 14:02 |
| steveire | I can't apt-get build-deps kde4base without downloading most of gnome | 14:11 |
| steveire | It seems to be because of libxine plugins having a hard dependancy on xine-plugins-gnome in gutsy. Can this please be changed? The package was updated with this bug months ago. | 14:14 |
| Lure | Riddell: I will leave kdm config/options/logs in /etc and /var, just rename it from kwin.* to kwin-kde4.* | 14:15 |
| steveire | Lure: Are you a kubuntu dev? | 14:16 |
| Lure | steveire: yep (even though not core-dev) | 14:17 |
| Lure | steveire: I am not sure if we can solve build-deps as you would like | 14:18 |
| Riddell | it's fixed in hardy | 14:18 |
| steveire | are you able/authd to change libxine1-plugins dependancy on libxine-gnome (which depends on a lot of gnome) to a suggest instead? This is already the case in hardy, and is the result of an update during the gutsy cycle | 14:18 |
| steveire | Riddell: Hardy isn't released. This bug was introduced with an update to gutsy afaik. Can it not now be fixed? | 14:19 |
| Riddell | steveire: where did the update come from? | 14:20 |
| steveire | Riddell: I'm not sure. Seems to be in gutsy backports | 14:21 |
| steveire | http://rafb.net/p/Wstxim77.html | 14:22 |
| steveire | Getting a compile-able kde4 should be as simple as get build-deps for wanted modules, svn co and cmake. | 14:23 |
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| steveire | Hmmm, the libxine1-plugins in universe also has the hard dependancy on gnome | 14:26 |
| steveire | Actually I don't know where all the gnome stuff is coming from. I was sure before it was from the plugins, but they don't look like hard dependancies in there anymore. | 14:32 |
| steveire | http://rafb.net/p/XR278u74.html | 14:32 |
| steveire | Oh yeah. libxine depends on the plugins meta-package depends on the gnome-plugins package, but in hardy it is only a suggests. http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/libs/libxine1-plugins | 14:36 |
| steveire | The change seems to be making libxine1 depend on the plugins package. | 14:37 |
| steveire | Riddell: Could you let me know if this is not going to be changed so that I can give up? | 14:38 |
| steveire | libxine1 did not depend on the plugins in feisty. I'm not sure when that was changed | 14:44 |
| Riddell | steveire: if it's from backports we could backport the newer version | 14:51 |
| steveire | Riddell: | 14:51 |
| steveire | Riddell: Cool. How would that happen/How long would it take? | 14:52 |
| Riddell | steveire: file a request bug on launchpad.net/gutsy-backports | 14:52 |
| Riddell | compile the hardy version on gutsy and make sure it works and report on that bug | 14:52 |
| Riddell | poke ScottK to confirm it | 14:52 |
| steveire | Also, while things are being backported it might make sense to do libsoprano4 as well. the gutsy version is too old to complie kde4 | 14:52 |
| Riddell | good idea | 14:53 |
| steveire | Riddell: How do I get the hardy version? | 14:53 |
| steveire | do I just dl and dpkg -i it? | 14:53 |
| Riddell | steveire: yes | 14:53 |
| Riddell | put hardy deb-src in sources.list | 14:53 |
| Riddell | apt-get source xine-lib | 14:53 |
| Riddell | debuild | 14:54 |
| Riddell | well cd xine-lib-<tab>; debuild | 14:54 |
| Riddell | debuild is from devscripts | 14:54 |
| * Riddell out | 14:54 | |
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| Lure | Riddell: more that I think, less I like binaries with -kde4 name | 14:57 |
| Lure | Riddell: will this at all work if the code does findExe() - it will not find appropriate binary | 14:58 |
| steveire | Alright, cheers. You really mean xine-lib or libxine1? Or -plugins? | 14:58 |
| Lure | Riddell: and I am sure we habe plenty of executions of kde binaries in the code... | 14:58 |
| fdoving | Lure: are the binaries renamed? - i thought there were just links. | 14:58 |
| Lure | fdoving: wrappers are named /usr/bin/<name>-kde4 | 14:58 |
| fdoving | yeah, and the real binaries are in /usr/lib/kde4/bin/konqueror - for example? | 14:59 |
| Lure | Riddell: or will we patch findExe(), or am I missing something | 14:59 |
| Lure | fdoving: right | 14:59 |
| fdoving | well, i don't use the packages, and i belive coexistance will become a bug-magnet. sorry to be pesimistic. | 15:00 |
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| fdoving | Lure: does the wrappers change the environment for those apps too? | 15:00 |
| Lure | fdoving: yep, but we cannot leave without it, as important programs (like kdepim) are missing | 15:00 |
| fdoving | Lure: that way around isn't a problem. the other way is harder. | 15:01 |
| Lure | fdoving: yes, so actually it might work then (kde4 app would probably findExe then on KDEDIRS) | 15:01 |
| fdoving | running kde3 apps from within kde4 will probably be more or less painless. | 15:01 |
| fdoving | as long as you don't use both versions with the same environment set. conflicting configfiles etc. | 15:01 |
| fdoving | the problem, as i see it, will be running kde4 apps from within kde3, without breaking the configs. that is you need to change the $KDEHOME to make the -kde4 apps write their configs to ~/.kde4 | 15:02 |
| fdoving | i (think) kde4 apps will cope with converting the kde3 configs to new versions. the other way around, i'm more sceptical about. | 15:04 |
| Lure | fdoving: that should work if 1) you use .desktop files or 2) use /usr/bin/name-kde4 | 15:04 |
| fdoving | i atleast, broke my ~/.kde because i started a full kde4 session with the ~/.kde $KDEHOME. | 15:05 |
| Lure | fdoving: so kde4 apps will always have condig in ~/.kde4 | 15:05 |
| fdoving | does the wrappers change the environment? | 15:05 |
| fdoving | the -kde4 ones? | 15:05 |
| Lure | fdoving: yes | 15:05 |
| fdoving | good. | 15:05 |
| fdoving | then one just have to make it hard to execute the /usr/lib/kde4/bin binaries from within kde3, directly. | 15:06 |
| fdoving | not having it in the path, only desktop files etc. | 15:07 |
| fdoving | also, for kde3 apps to work correctly, with their own configs, from within kde4. | 15:07 |
| fdoving | they need to be started with the kde3 $KDEHOME. | 15:07 |
| Lure | fdoving: yep, /usr/lib/kde4 is not in path | 15:07 |
| fdoving | so, one would need wrappers for kde3 apps too. :) | 15:07 |
| fdoving | i was playing with the idea to patch KDE4 to look for $KDE4HOME before $KDEHOME | 15:08 |
| fdoving | that way we don't have the one conflicting environment variable. | 15:08 |
| fdoving | as we have separate ones for kde3apps and kde4apps. | 15:09 |
| fdoving | would fix loads of issues. | 15:09 |
| Lure | fdoving: that is interesting idea | 15:10 |
| fdoving | it also is pretty simple. | 15:10 |
| fdoving | as it only affects kdelibs. | 15:10 |
| steveire | I like it. I assumed that would happen anyway. | 15:10 |
| fdoving | then one can throw the wrappers out the window. | 15:11 |
| Lure | Riddell: ^^^ that would be really safer than re-using KDEHOME | 15:11 |
| Lure | Riddell: problem is that kde3 app started in kde4 session would write config to ~/.kde4 (as they do not override config to ~/.kde) | 15:11 |
| fdoving | in my case, they won't. | 15:12 |
| fdoving | as we won't set $KDEHOME to ~/.kde4. | 15:12 |
| fdoving | we only set $KDE4HOME to ~/.kde4 | 15:12 |
| freeflying | why dose systemsettings still need dependency on python-dev? | 15:14 |
| fdoving | Lure: hardcoding kde4 to only look for $KDE4HOME and ignore $KDEHOME is very simple. adding a '4' in one file. then we need to add one line to bin/startkde, to set the new variable to ~/.kde4 | 15:17 |
| fdoving | i guess we will need to stick to ~/.kde4 for kde4 in the future too, right? | 15:18 |
| Lure | fdoving: not sure what are future plans, better ask Riddell | 15:19 |
| fdoving | i guess that would make sense, as moving configs in the users homedir isn't sane at all. | 15:19 |
| Lure | anybody knows db_input/db_go commands used in pre/postrm? | 15:19 |
| Lure | ok, got it, configured in <name>.config gile | 15:23 |
| Lure | file | 15:23 |
| fdoving | got a link to the kde4 packages? | 15:23 |
| fdoving | i'll make a proposed patch for my idea. | 15:23 |
| Lure | Riddell: how come that kdebase-workspace package I have downloaded with apt-get source does not have Ubuntu maintainer, even thougt it has ubuntu version? | 15:24 |
| Lure | Riddell: are we setting mail to ubuntu-devel-discuss or kubuntu-devel for kde4 packages? | 15:24 |
| Lure | Riddell: or ubuntu-motu as it is still in universe? | 15:26 |
| fdoving | bbl, dinner. | 15:33 |
| yuriy | mornfall: pong | 16:21 |
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| mornfall | yuriy: Hi. Have you tried the send? | 16:26 |
| yuriy | mornfall: i sent it yesterday morning and pinged you | 16:27 |
| mornfall | yuriy: Sent where? | 16:28 |
| mornfall | Yesterday morning? | 16:28 |
| mornfall | *confusion* | 16:28 |
| yuriy | mornfall: meaning about 24 hours ago | 16:28 |
| yuriy | mornfall: i just did darcs send, i think it did me at mornfall dot net | 16:28 |
| mornfall | Hm, what timezone are you in? | 16:29 |
| yuriy | @time New York | 16:29 |
| ubotu | Current time in America/New_York: January 05 2008, 11:29:27 - Next meeting: Edubuntu meeting in 4 days | 16:29 |
| mornfall | Ah. | 16:29 |
| mornfall | Probably explaints the morning bit. | 16:29 |
| mornfall | However, does not explain why nothing arrived. | 16:30 |
| mornfall | yuriy: What should I grep mail logs for? | 16:30 |
| yuriy | hmm i don't remember what the subject i put on it was. is there a way to get darcs to tell me? | 16:32 |
| yuriy | or would patch names show up or something? | 16:32 |
| mornfall | They should. Probably best to try again. | 16:32 |
| yuriy | mornfall: k. i'd moved the packagelist stuff into a separate file so it'll probably conflict with your latest change | 16:33 |
| mornfall | Well, likely. | 16:34 |
| mornfall | But I wanted to test the send mechanics nevertheless. | 16:35 |
| yuriy | i was intrigued by darcs idea of only having conflicts when you edit the exact same line, but quickly found a use case where that doesn't quite work | 16:35 |
| mornfall | (And I can always re-do the patch from the diff.) | 16:35 |
| yuriy | oh i guess it doesn't ask for a subject. anyways, sent | 16:36 |
| mornfall | Okey, I am sitting on the mail log... | 16:36 |
| mornfall | (Btw., are you sure the sendmail(1) on your machine works right?) Or whatever darcs uses for sending mail. | 16:37 |
| mornfall | yuriy: I get patches in the mailbox when running darcs send on a university machine. | 16:40 |
| yuriy | nope, haven't tested it actually. will do | 16:40 |
| mornfall | Creating patch to "http://anna.fi.muni.cz/~xrockai/ept-work"... | 16:40 |
| mornfall | Patch bundle will be sent to: Petr Rockai <me@mornfall.net> | 16:40 |
| yuriy | hmm good point sendmail doesn't seem to be working | 16:42 |
| mornfall | : - \ | 16:43 |
| mornfall | Somewhat un-unixy of that sendmail... : - ) | 16:43 |
| nixternal | Riddell: story added from ars technica - review and push if you would like | 17:48 |
| * yuriy gives up on sendmail | 17:57 | |
| fdoving | yuriy: fetch nullmailer and point it to your smtp. | 18:00 |
| yuriy | fdoving: i think i tried that already. what if my smtp needs authentication? | 18:01 |
| fdoving | yuriy: then i have no clue. postfix is also very nice. | 18:02 |
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| fdoving | yuriy: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg145592.html | 18:04 |
| yuriy | mornfall: saved to file and emailed | 18:05 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: kubuntu.org patch sent | 18:11 |
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| mhb | Riddell: is it possible to do some "stub" for KDE4 systemsettings that would open the old unported config tools (guidance) in a new window? | 18:22 |
| mhb | Riddell: because users would like to access the guidance tools the old way | 18:22 |
| mhb | and there's little chance someone is going to port them all in time | 18:22 |
| yuriy | full kde4 session time : ) | 18:26 |
| yuriy | drawing is pretty bad.. were there some tricks around for nvidia? | 18:26 |
| yuriy | oh and icons aren't showing up for most kde programs in the menu | 18:27 |
| yuriy | s/kde/kde4 | 18:27 |
| mornfall | yuriy: Okey, thanks. I will show up tomorrow again. --> other room (no network) | 18:35 |
| mornfall | (Yes, it has arrived.) | 18:35 |
| yuriy | iijm or is everything huge in kde4? fonts? | 18:44 |
| yuriy | ooh forcing 96dpi worked nicely | 18:48 |
| yuriy | though i had to log out for it to take effect | 18:51 |
| iRon | yuriy: same as in kde3.. | 19:02 |
| iRon | but in gnome all font settings takes place immediately after 'apply' | 19:03 |
| yuriy | iRon: i know, and in both it says that it'll take effect for newly started applications, which is not true | 19:03 |
| yuriy | now how to get the gtk apps to not look so ugly.. | 19:04 |
| iRon | yuriy: on hardy ? | 19:05 |
| yuriy | iRon: on gutsy, with kde4 from ppa full session | 19:05 |
| iRon | yuriy: hm.. $ ln -s /usr/share/themes/Clearlooks/gtk-2.0/gtkrc ~/.gtkrc-2.0 | 19:07 |
| iRon | or whatever theme you like | 19:07 |
| iRon | yuriy: there is a gtk port of Oxygen theme | 19:08 |
| iRon | yuriy: http://kims-area.com/?q=node/8 (search for Oxygen keyword) | 19:10 |
| nixternal | damn, I need an archive admin | 19:10 |
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| yuriy | can't get the oxygnome theme to take effect.. oh well | 19:32 |
| fdoving | oxygnome? | 19:32 |
| fdoving | is that a gtk theme i probably want? | 19:32 |
| jpatrick | looks like it | 19:35 |
| yuriy | fdoving: yep, iRon's link above | 19:37 |
| yuriy | if there is no gtk-engines-qt for qt4 it might even be something to include if it's any good | 19:38 |
| fdoving | is there like a common place where gnome stores the gtk themes in users homedirs? | 19:42 |
| iRon | fdoving: ~/.themes | 19:42 |
| fdoving | ah, that wasn't so hard :) | 19:43 |
| fdoving | thanks. | 19:43 |
| fdoving | doesn't seem to pickup my changes, i've symlinked ~/.gtkrc-2.0 to the gtkrc of the theme.. anything else i need to do nowdays? | 19:48 |
| yuriy | fdoving: same here.. | 19:53 |
| iRon | fdoving: this works for me on hardy.. on kde3 :) | 19:53 |
| fdoving | are we missing an engine or something? | 19:53 |
| fdoving | on kde3.. sigh :) | 19:53 |
| iRon | fdoving: will try now on kde4 :) | 19:53 |
| fdoving | it says: | 19:54 |
| fdoving | ยท engine "pixmap" | 19:54 |
| fdoving | in the gtkrc | 19:54 |
| yuriy | stdin: newer kdegraphics and multimedia, etc coming to ppa? | 20:01 |
| fdoving | yuriy: aha, GTK2_RC_FILES=:/home/frode/.kde4/share/config/gtkrc-2.0 | 20:03 |
| fdoving | yuriy: pribably the same at your place i guess. | 20:03 |
| iRon | fdoving: oxygnome works fine for me on kde4 too | 20:10 |
| fdoving | iRon: oh | 20:10 |
| fdoving | did you install it to ~/.themes ? | 20:11 |
| fdoving | i tried gtk-chtheme it didn't even appear there. | 20:11 |
| iRon | fdoving: i put it in /usr/share/themes/ | 20:11 |
| fdoving | now i made it load the .gtkrc-2.0 but it can't find the rest of the files to include. | 20:11 |
| fdoving | ah. | 20:11 |
| iRon | fdoving: from /usr/share/themes it works fine | 20:12 |
| * fdoving copies. | 20:12 | |
| fdoving | iRon: did you symlink to ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ? | 20:13 |
| iRon | fdoving: i've a symlink to my ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde :) | 20:13 |
| iRon | fdoving: which includes "/usr/share/themes/oxygnome..." | 20:14 |
| iRon | fdoving: my ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde: http://pastebin.com/d2c49ef8f | 20:17 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: ping :) | 20:18 |
| nixternal | yo | 20:18 |
| fdoving | iRon: i didn't have that second line. got it to work, but -kde didn't work after i unset those gtk environment variables. | 20:22 |
| fdoving | brb, kid woke up. | 20:22 |
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| fdoving | iRon: do you have a hover-color in the menus? - i don't. | 20:27 |
| iRon | fdoving: i have.. but oxygnome is far away from original oxygen theme.. | 20:29 |
| yuriy | fdoving: i did ln -s /usr/share/themes/oxygnome/gtk-2.0/gtkrc ~/.kde4/share/config/.gtkrc-2.0 but it doesn't seem to have helped | 20:29 |
| fdoving | yuriy: you need to include the /usr/share/themes/oxygnome/gtk-2.0/gtkrc | 20:30 |
| fdoving | for paths to match. | 20:30 |
| fdoving | yuriy: have a look at irons paste http://pastebin.com/d2c49ef8f | 20:30 |
| yuriy | fdoving: oh nice that did it. i have the same problem with the colors though. either the theme is buggy or it's based on an old version of oxygen that had that problem | 20:34 |
| fdoving | yuriy: hover issues in the menus? | 20:34 |
| yuriy | fdoving: yeah.. but actually i think it only did the colors. scrollbars are still default gtk | 20:35 |
| fdoving | k. | 20:35 |
| fdoving | i have no clue. haven't been playing with gtk themes since gtk-1.2 back when i used gnome and blackbox. | 20:35 |
| fdoving | years ago. | 20:35 |
| iRon | fdoving: yuriy: oh.. this theme depends on murrine gtk engine. so: apt-get install gtk2-engines-murrine :) | 20:38 |
| fdoving | i did that. | 20:39 |
| iRon | also try to start firefox from konsole. and if there will be gtk theme errors -- you'll see them in console output | 20:41 |
| fdoving | i have a bunch of gdkpixbuf issues. | 20:41 |
| fdoving | when browsing menus.. | 20:42 |
| fdoving | (gecko:22600): GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL **: gdk_pixbuf_get_rowstride: assertion `pixbuf != NULL' failed | 20:42 |
| fdoving | probably related to the issues with hover. | 20:42 |
| iRon | fdoving: hm.. strange | 20:42 |
| fdoving | can you md5sum your oxygnome.tar.gz ? | 20:42 |
| iRon | fdoving: have you tryed to install `gtk2-engines-pixbuf' too? | 20:43 |
| fdoving | yep, it's in. | 20:43 |
| iRon | fdoving: md5 -- 0f7b9349c91f93e31e3535a66ee9e838 | 20:45 |
| fdoving | 0f7b9349c91f93e31e3535a66ee9e838 | 20:45 |
| fdoving | that looks like a match to me. | 20:45 |
| iRon | fdoving: i'm on hardy | 20:45 |
| fdoving | i'm on gutsy. | 20:46 |
| fdoving | do you have any gnome things installed? | 20:46 |
| fdoving | .../gtk2-engines-pixbuf_2.12.0-1ubuntu3_i386.deb | 20:49 |
| fdoving | is your version higher? | 20:49 |
| fdoving | i'll fetch the hardy version. | 20:50 |
| iRon | fdoving: i've one from hardy.. it is 2.12.3-2 | 20:50 |
| yuriy | i get lots of: (firefox-bin:20989): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap", | 20:52 |
| fdoving | yuriy: then you need gtk2-engines-pixbuf | 20:52 |
| fdoving | once you get it you'll get new fancy errors, like me. | 20:52 |
| fdoving | gtk2-engines-pixbuf is part of gtk+2.0 | 20:52 |
| fdoving | so i won't recompile that for gutsy. | 20:53 |
| yuriy | fdoving: i installed that and it actually works now, menus too. doesn't look anything like current oxygen though. probably based off a previous incarnation | 20:55 |
| fdoving | gah, so i'm the only one with the problem. | 20:55 |
| fdoving | yuriy: looks better than default gtk, right? | 20:55 |
| yuriy | fdoving: certainly | 20:56 |
| fdoving | yuriy: are you on hardy too? | 20:56 |
| yuriy | fdoving: no, i'm on gutsy | 21:09 |
| fdoving | somehow my kde4 tries to overrride the gtk theme, but fails. | 21:11 |
| fdoving | needed to use the kde3 colors kcmmodule to uncheck the "apply colors to non-kde apps" box. now kde4 doesn't override my gtk things anymore. | 21:14 |
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| LaserJock | anybody around who knows about the kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA? | 21:24 |
| Riddell | LaserJock hmm? | 21:26 |
| LaserJock | I noticed some new packages | 21:26 |
| Riddell | mm hmm | 21:27 |
| LaserJock | however it looks like the uploads aren't all finished yet as a dist-upgrade wants to get rid of a lot of previous kde4 packages | 21:27 |
| LaserJock | Riddell: the new stuff is 3.98 | 21:27 |
| LaserJock | looks like kdelibs and kdebase 3.98 but rest is 3.97 | 21:29 |
| Riddell | stdin: new kde 4 packages to backport | 21:40 |
| LaserJock | Riddell: so everything is ok, I just need to wait? | 21:43 |
| Riddell | LaserJock: yes | 21:44 |
| LaserJock | Riddell: excellent thanks | 21:44 |
| LaserJock | I really appreciate these KDE4 packages | 21:44 |
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| ryanakca | Riddell: ping | 21:48 |
| * ryanakca points to /msg | 21:48 | |
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| stdin | Riddell: which ones? | 22:18 |
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| articpenguin3800 | is kde 4 included with 8.04 | 23:33 |
| jpatrick | articpenguin3800: yes | 23:34 |
| articpenguin3800 | is it supported | 23:34 |
| jpatrick | articpenguin3800: ye | 23:34 |
| jpatrick | -s* | 23:34 |
| articpenguin3800 | in the main repo or universe repo | 23:34 |
| jpatrick | not sure, yet, either way it's on the CD | 23:35 |
| jpatrick | or planned to be | 23:35 |
| jpatrick | articpenguin3800: see: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/kubuntu-meeting-20071222.pdf | 23:35 |
| articpenguin3800 | ok thanks | 23:38 |
| jpatrick | you're welcome | 23:40 |
| articpenguin3800 | one more thing is it possible to dualboot kubuntu 7.10 and kubuntu 8.03 | 23:40 |
| articpenguin3800 | -4 | 23:40 |
| jpatrick | yep | 23:41 |
| articpenguin3800 | just shrink my jfs partition and put 8.04 there | 23:41 |
| jpatrick | that should do it.. | 23:42 |
| articpenguin3800 | ok thanks again | 23:42 |
| articpenguin3800 | cya | 23:42 |
| iRon | jpatrick: which font is used in your PDF's? it is so cute. ;) | 23:43 |
| jpatrick | iRon: Sans Serif | 23:43 |
| jpatrick | what the latex command? | 23:43 |
| jpatrick | want* | 23:43 |
| iRon | yes | 23:43 |
| jpatrick | well.. change .pdf to .tex | 23:44 |
| jpatrick | all in the commends | 23:44 |
| jpatrick | arg | 23:44 |
| jpatrick | comments* | 23:44 |
| jpatrick | night | 23:54 |
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