[00:01] ron_o, you should post that in #xubuntu-devel [00:01] that is where those decisions are made [00:01] I was just wondering if it's a usual complaint is all. [00:02] i always use the alt cd so i never use the thing [00:02] I have my partitions the way i want them, the installer shouldn't touch it now. Let's see. [00:02] vidd_ ahh. [00:04] btw...you can probably count me as a complainer too [00:06] well I feel better. :) [00:06] I rarely complain to a devel anyway unless I know for sure it isn't me. Which it usually is. [00:07] making things easier makes things harder on me because I'm used to the way things were. [00:09] ron_o, then you would love the net installer [00:09] having some trouble with my AR5007EG wireless card and nvidia ethernet http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50783/ [00:10] the thing is I am trying to install archlinux with xubuntu as a backup, however, arch isn't installing Grub properly to my MBR... [00:11] install arch second then ron_o? [00:11] man it's fricked. No matter what I go around in circles doing the simplest crap. And it all started when I got this new machine with an Intel Mobo. [00:11] ronni1: that's what I'm doing now. :) [00:11] installing xubuntu now. [00:11] I wouldn't call setting up a 'dual-boot' system simple... [00:12] with some of the more noob-friendly installers setting up a dual-boot system borders on impossible [00:12] zoredache: but I have a clean system with nothing intalled now. It's really not dual boot until I get them both installed. [00:13] zoredache: yes, I found that out. You need to at least set up your boot loader manually. [00:13] I don't mind that. That shouldn't be too hard. [00:13] two distros on one machine... seems kind of like redundant beginner testing to me... just run the livecds and see if other has drivers the other doesn't then rtfm and instant fix right? [00:13] ron_o: do you develop for arch perhaps? [00:14] ronni1: but that's just it. even when I installed just arch it wouldn't work.. [00:14] not a chance. [00:14] what is preventing it? [00:14] anyway you look at it, arch linux won't install bootloader properly to MBR. [00:14] xubuntu works though right? [00:15] you see, I can run arch if I run xubuntu CD and run "boot from first hard disk".. [00:15] have you tried using dd from a live cd to format the mbr? [00:15] I'm installing xubuntu now. [00:15] ronni1: don't know how to do that. [00:15] the MBR is kind of a mystery to me. [00:15] so you have 2 hard drives?? [00:16] yay that means voodoo time with the hdd pins should automagically fix it right? [00:16] I'm only installing to one. The other HD is just for backups and isn't even installed to the machine. [00:16] ronni1: don't know waht you are talking about. [00:16] ron_o: oh shame was hoping easy fix :/ [00:16] it'll work. [00:17] I'm just sick of messing with stuff is all. [00:17] ron_o: the mbr might be corrupted sometimes and need a format. its the first few chunks of the drive so just dd to blank it to all zeros [00:18] ronni1: ah, that might be it. [00:18] I doubt that's your case though but you may mess it up in process lol [00:18] we'll see what xubuntu does. [00:18] nahh, I won't mess with it. [00:18] I still don't get what's the actual problem.. [00:19] might want to try asking someone whom dual boots different distros [00:19] I tried to go Gentoo with SabayonLinux thinking that SL was easy before. That's why I'm here now. [00:19] ronni1: the problem is I installed Archlinux and it wouldn't boot. [00:19] sl? [00:19] sabayonlinux [00:19] why you asking that on xubuntu chan then? :D [00:20] nevermind. :/ [00:20] you missed something. [00:21] no I didn't I meant to shoot myself in foot, strategic manuever ;) [00:21] ron_o: but hey good luck and all, g2g [00:37] hey you guys...I'm trying to play movies through firefox and galeon and tit bufferrs but never plays.....I think its only for divx...I'll ckec other formats... [00:38] then after it buiffers it freezes on "getting playlist" [00:38] the mplayer plug is acting up [01:43] hey i forgot where the folder is with the cli history logs [01:51] .bash_history [01:53] oh geeze so simple i just want to edit out all the repeat ones. thanks though im haveing mega brain farts [01:53] we all have them [01:54] well i drink way too much so it happens often [01:54] :P [04:07] does xubuntu have the right click menu that standard xfce4 has? [04:10] yes [04:10] you have to activate it [04:14] vidd_: thanks [05:11] Hello [05:11] hello [05:12] Uhm, I was wondering if anyone could help me with an internet isssue on xubuntu? [05:13] I think its a problem with resolving addresses but, I'm not too sure how to fix it [05:13] can you be slightly more specific? [05:13] When I open up firefox and type google.com it goes as far as to say connecting [05:13] and it sits there for ages [05:14] dial-up or braodband? [05:14] But when I type 72.14.205.99 it works fine [05:14] Broadband [05:14] Wireless network with 2 other computers [05:15] does this machine connect to a router or directly to the modem? [05:15] Router [05:15] Wireless access point [05:15] dhcp or static IP? [05:15] Static [05:16] if you are using a static IP, you need to express the ip addresses of the DNS servers you are going to use [05:16] That I have [05:17] It requests that info from the router every time it connects [05:17] no it doesnt....dhcp does, static does not [05:18] Static does [05:18] Its only the IP that is static [05:18] well if i dont know what im talking about...... [05:18] Oh sorry [05:18] Hold on [05:18] run this test: [05:19] switch to dhcp and see if you get the page [05:19] What you were meaning is is the ip address info on the computer static? [05:19] In which case it is not [05:19] yes [05:19] ok...so the computer has dhcp [05:19] Ya [05:20] I was thinking of the router for a sec there, cause it assigns specific ips to the computers [05:20] ok....are you having this issue with other comps on your network? [05:20] No [05:20] Just the one [05:20] The one I am on now is fine [05:21] sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart [05:22] page com up? [05:22] Nope [05:23] sudo network-admin [05:24] click the DNS tab [05:24] Curious, whats sudo do? [05:24] how you get root privledges [05:24] Mmk [05:24] DNS Servers: 10.1.1.1 [05:25] is that the IP address of your router? [05:25] Yes [05:26] does your router do dns???? [05:26] Ya [05:27] cuzz my router passes my modem DNS...which is passed from my provider [05:27] my router connects straight to the phone line [05:27] Which passes the DNS to the provider [05:27] Eh [05:27] you should see a public IP and not a private [05:27] Hold on [05:27] I have an idea [05:28] I'll try setting the ISP DNS servers as the ones to use on Xubuntu [05:28] and viola [05:29] tada! it works [05:29] Lol [05:29] We shall see.... [05:30] WEWT! [05:30] ??\\ [05:30] Horray for me! [05:30] and it working [05:30] Thanks for your help [05:31] just so ya know...i work for an ISP.... [05:31] Which one? [05:31] i take calls for this kind of stuff all day [05:31] Lol [05:31] i'd rather not say [05:31] we do mostly dial-up [05:32] Ahh ok [05:32] Do you get people as stupid as me ring up? [05:32] no...you listen! [05:32] :P [05:32] I'm kinda new to linux [05:33] Is there anything I should know about it? [05:33] you should get a linux freindly router....like a linksys [05:33] Lol [05:33] Its working now [05:34] So it'll do for now [05:34] you connect a MAC to it and you'll see the same issue [05:34] D-link isn't linux friendly? [05:34] hell no [05:34] lol [05:34] linksys routers RUN on linus [05:34] linksys routers RUN on linux [05:35] By MAC you mean the apple computers? [05:35] grrr...stupid keyboard [05:35] yes [05:35] or... something completely different? [05:35] Ahh ok [05:36] Uhm, just curious, how do programs run on linux? [05:36] As in what is the extension [05:36] and... stuff... [05:36] there is no extention [05:37] Yay for windows rotting my brain! [05:37] scripts have extensions [05:37] not because the OS need s it [05:37] Ok, difference between a script and a program? [05:38] No, because extensions are for the users [05:38] Mainly... [05:38] but when its all said and done the OS doesssnt need extensions. they are used for writing and testing [05:38] and as far as i know, you dont HAVE to have an extention on a sript for it to run [05:39] Ok, so scripts are like.... [05:39] a bunch of terminal commands or something? [05:39] *console [05:39] pretty much [05:39] whatever you wanna call it [05:39] not always true [05:39] But MAINLY a bunch of commands? [05:39] Sorta like a batch file in windows? [05:39] a program is a collection of script [05:40] Hrm... [05:40] a lot of the programs are written in python for ubuntu gnome and python is a "scripting" but also a OOP programming language [05:40] Is linux itself a language? [05:40] usually translated into something you cant actually read [05:40] linux is written in C i believe right [05:40] with BASH [05:41] mmmk [05:41] Whats Bash? [05:41] cli [05:41] The command line? [05:41] Ahh ok [05:41] yes [05:41] long live the Bourne Again SHell [05:41] :O [05:41] Ok... [05:41] like doing "grep firefox" in cli [05:41] err pgrep firefox [05:41] So whats the main language for Linux programs? [05:42] depends on the distro [05:42] Xubuntu [05:42] python [05:42] Okies [05:42] errr well alot of programs are written in python for ubuntu but there are also others [05:42] Does it come with a java interpreter? [05:42] no [05:42] you can download it [05:43] Ya [05:43] I know that [05:43] Are there "Installers" for linux? [05:43] installers?? [05:43] Or a programs standalone or come bundled? [05:44] *do [05:44] Yeah, like installs a program into a specific directory [05:44] most distros use a package manager [05:44] that you use to install additional software [05:44] Okie dokey [05:44] it tracks installs/uninstalls/updates [05:45] and a good source of programs would be.... sourceforge? [05:45] when the program is written the source code tells the OS to either make a directory or use an already availiale one [05:45] Zrax`, sure, if you're trying to install something that isnt in the repos [05:45] but that doesn't happen very often, really [05:45] Okies [05:46] Oh and one thing I am hoping you will say no to.... Is there such thing as a registry on linux? [05:47] not as such [05:48] your filesystem is kind of like the registry [05:48] Yay [05:49] when or if you get more into learning linux you will find that many files are in many different locations to edit anything you wan them to [05:49] or you learn commands via command line to do "anything" you want it to [05:51] Ok, you lost me at the last part of the sentence above this one [05:52] yeah it didnt make much sense [05:52] but don't worry about that at this stage anyway :) [05:52] But I am worried [05:52] the command line is the most powerful thing about linux, you can edit virtually anything is what i meant [05:52] Ahh ok [05:53] Ummm, so Terminal is command line right? [05:53] yes [05:53] yeh [05:53] Uhh, is there a thingo thats like... [05:53] Auto completion? [05:53] but im only saying when you start learning more youll get more into the terminal [05:53] So I can type something partially and press TAB and it comes up with possible commands? [05:53] usually its the last command [05:54] no [05:54] its all possible commands [05:54] as standard config [05:54] I mean I'm sure you can change it [05:54] ahh well mine does last command typed [05:54] i must have edited it a whiole back [05:55] theres another shortcut to do that [05:55] the last command typed thing [05:55] I should remember it [05:55] Shift + TAB? [05:56] ... [05:56] Anyhow, thankyou all for answering my somewhat noobish questions [05:56] o/ [05:57] when you press tab it displays the last command but holding tab and pressing enter gives you the option to view all possible options [05:57] Okies [05:58] I will try all this once my pc has cooled down a bit [05:58] It just crashed :'( [06:00] I don't suppose that there is a super cool site that any of you know that may teach me more about linux? [06:00] linux.com [06:01] do the courses sections [06:01] Lol, the obvious ^^ [06:01] :P [06:01] or google 'learn linux' [06:01] I was waiting for someone to say google.com [06:02] never fear google [06:02] it has all your answers [06:02] google makes the earth rotate [06:02] Tehehehe, its the first place I look when I find something I don't know [06:02] Sadly not alot of other people think that way [06:03] true i wish people in #ubuntu would look there first [06:03] Lol [06:04] Whats one of the most basic questions someone has asked you? [06:04] Zrax`, you wont get any JFGI here! [06:04] countless hours helping and occasionally using google cause its helps when im drinking or lazy and dont want to think [06:05] Zrax`, how do i make a new directory in command line [06:05] ive seen that one alot [06:06] I wont get any JFGI here makes no sence... [06:06] Oh hey [06:06] Yes it does [06:06] we dont do that here [06:07] Lol, no, you answer the question, then reccomend they use google next time [06:08] i always answer as much as i can but when it stumps me i refer them to google [06:09] helping others is about the only enjoyment i get in life now [06:09] Lol [06:09] How come? [06:10] if i help someone and they appreciate it i enjoy it, everything else bores me [06:10] Lol [06:10] Fair enough [06:11] Is the make new file thing on linux mkfile [06:11] Cause I am pretty sure the directory one is mkdir [06:11] So it would be logical [06:11] brb [06:12] i think its just mk [06:13] :O [06:13] Most commands are rather obvious anyhow [06:14] Anyhow [06:14] I really should go and get back to life [06:14] 3if you want to make a new file you have to 'touch' it [06:14] So thankyou everyone for being helpful and whatnot [06:17] normally if i make a new file i just nav to the dir i want it in and use nano from cli [06:53] Is XFCE lighter on the processor. I have a single core 1.6 ghz machine and its not slow but I'd like just a bit more speed [06:54] xfce is a lot lighter than gnome [06:55] soldats: processor wise or ram wise [06:55] I know ram, but im talking processor [06:55] but there are alternatives as well like fluxbox, blackbox, e17 [06:56] more so than gnome yea on the processor [07:12] i am a new xubuntu user, have newly installed xubuntu on a PIII machine. There are two problems:One is that if i click on Accesories>terminal, the system goes into non graphical mode and then immedietely reverts to login screen(apparently it logs me out).Second my usb stick is not mounting although the LED of the the stick is lit up. [07:21] i cannot run a accessories>terminal on my xubuntu and neither does my usb stick mount when inserted. anybody? [07:30] nanbudh: bug 81512 [07:30] Launchpad bug 81512 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Attempting to open terminal in Xubuntu cause gdm restart (dup-of: 91849)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81512 [07:30] Launchpad bug 91849 in xorg-server "i810 + xorg = xfce crashes when opening terminal" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91849 [07:35] zoredache:thanks. and anything on why my usb stick is not mounting when plugged in? [07:41] no idea... [07:52] nanbudh, i did some digging for you.... [07:52] see if this helps [07:52] http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-264216.html [07:54] hope thats helpfull...i got to jet [07:56] my screensaver doesnt trigger - instead the monitor turns off. what do I do to fix that? [07:57] I installed xubuntu yesterday w the new laptop I bought. so this xubuntu doesnt have much on it yet [07:57] vidd_: thanks friend [08:00] couple answers im finding on google is xubuntu has something to do with gnome screensaver and xscreensaver [08:00] that it'd be better to use xscreensaver, but I dont know how to switch if mine isnt already [08:09] npad: xubuntu doesn't seem to start a screen saver by default in 7.10 [08:09] you can add a startup item to enable it [08:09] so settings/autostart apps, add 'gnome-screensaver' [08:09] ok thanks, I'll give it a shot [08:11] it works - thanks a bunch! [08:13] would this by any chance have similar problem with reading DVDs ? Xine, etc has error reading NAV packets [08:14] home made DVDs that I copy off a original copy works though [08:18] you probably don't have the dvd decryption software running yet [08:18] !restricted [08:18] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [08:34] what software does the ubuntu wiki use? [08:36] Xfce rox0rs my s0xrs! [08:41] topicks: accourding to this thread it is moin moin http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=621944 [08:41] zoredache: thanks! [08:43] thank google, I just 'powers ubuntu wiki' [08:44] zoredache: you're google-fu is no match for mine [08:44] s/you're/your/ [10:45] moin everyone [10:54] moin moin [10:55] cu [10:56] moin [10:56] how could I oprimize all xubuntu for a specific processor? [10:56] optimize [11:01] what do you mean exactly? [11:06] build all the sources for a specific processor [11:06] how do that? [11:07] well sounds like you want to compile everything like in gentoo or use the arch that is provided mostly [11:13] compile everything: there is guide, howto to do that? [11:16] af_: well with honesty.....I don't belive that you should use the .deb way if you want a system that i compile lvl.....think it might be better to look at gentoo [11:17] af_: since that it is a lot of work if you want to go from .deb -> .tar.gz compile lvl [11:17] may i ask what architecture you want to compile for? [11:18] otherwise if it would be like kernel and so on then yeah its no problem using xubuntu... [11:18] (x)ubuntu is derived from Debian. Debian is available for the most of architectures [11:19] true [11:20] Hello peoples [11:22] it should be a system to rebuild all the sources I guess [11:23] I don't suppose anyone would know where I could get libdvdcss? I can't find it in the package manager and i downloaded it off the net but it keeps telling me no when I try to compile it :'( [11:26] Zrax`: have you told the manager to look in all available sources? [11:26] Yeap [11:28] Zrax`: you also have medibuntu? [11:28] Zrax`: since that is where the package comes from [11:28] :O [11:28] Why couldn't it just tell me that in the first place? [11:28] :P [11:29] Zrax`: you should check the /etc/apt/sources.list [11:29] Zrax`: think there is links in there [11:29] okies [11:29] Thankyou very much [11:29] np [11:29] nikolam: he wanted to compile the whole system [11:30] nikolam: which means he wants to be able to go from .deb way to tar.gz compiling way [11:32] Making packages makes more sense to me. One can get source DVD for Xubuntu and compile all day lang if he wants to. [11:33] While we are at compiling.. I m getting some errors while trying to compile iceape or seamonkey.. some errors about libpango. [11:33] Ahhh, where can I get medibuntu from? Xubuntu is broken and wont tell me where it is. I think it hates me.... [11:34] I need to compile it to make enigmail (gpg encryption for mail) for amd64 architecture, on seamonkey/iceape [11:34] Zrax: What is broken? [11:35] I don't know, it just doesn't want to tell me where these packages are [11:35] Hence it hating me [11:37] Oh hey I found it after googling [11:52] can someone assist me [11:53] I am unable to access my system files from the xfce gui [11:55] I receive an error stating thet " the configuration could not be loaded " [11:56] hello eteran [12:08] is there away to access to the system application [12:08] and reset it [12:09] hello lslwmchi [12:11] I need some assistance could someone please help [12:11] me [12:22] hello can someone assist me [12:24] !ask === totalwormage is now known as totalwormface [12:29] counterpoint, the app you want to access/ [12:30]