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articpenguin3800do bans ever ex[ore00:20
articpenguin3800expire00:20
Piciarticpenguin3800: No.00:21
stdinonly if we remove them00:21
Piciarticpenguin3800: We have to remove them manually, can I help you with something?00:21
articpenguin3800no i am not going to bother because i tried last month and they didnt belive me00:22
articpenguin3800are bans applied by ip range or single ips00:23
PiciDepends on the bam00:23
Piciban.00:24
TheSheepevading a ban usually results in more bans00:24
PiciIf you give me a few minutes, I can take a look at what we have in our logs for you..00:24
articpenguin3800go aheaf00:24
articpenguin3800d00:24
Piciarticpenguin3800: Do you remember what nickname you were in here as? or what the situation was regarding the not believing you?00:27
articpenguin3800no i dont remember the name but they banned me because of abusing !op00:28
articpenguin3800or sumthing like that00:28
* PriceChild looks00:28
PiciWhy did you call !op?00:28
articpenguin3800i didnt00:29
articpenguin3800proabaly someone on my network00:29
PriceChildPici, look before that00:30
PriceChildarticpenguin3800, do you use another nickname on the network at all?00:30
PiciPriceChild: I saw it.00:31
articpenguin3800ive only used this one00:31
articpenguin3800why?00:34
Piciarticpenguin3800: You said that you came in here like a month or so ago to ask about the ban?00:35
articpenguin3800yes00:36
articpenguin3800ive changed the name since00:37
PriceChildok so you have used a different name on the network....?00:37
articpenguin3800yes00:37
PriceChildYou said no earlier?00:37
articpenguin3800ive used this one since and i dont plan on changing it00:38
PriceChildok well if you're ever asking for a ban to be removed in the future, please answer questions truthfully no matter what you plan on doing in the future.00:38
articpenguin3800k00:39
articpenguin3800what dates are you looking at00:41
PiciDid you speak to the other people in your household about the bans? We had asked that you do that when you came in previously.00:41
articpenguin3800i dont remember being asked but i did ask00:42
PiciAnd?00:43
PriceChildPici, what can I grep for to find this easily?00:43
articpenguin3800my brother said he did it00:43
PiciPriceChild: grep for falcon within your -ops log00:44
articpenguin3800thats why i changed from falcon to the new name i use00:44
PriceChildPici, thanks00:45
PriceChildarticpenguin3800, you blamed it on your brother last time you were in here?00:46
articpenguin3800he said he did it00:46
PriceChildcould i suggest providing him with a seperate account on the machine? keep your login name to yourself as well as saved passwords etc. ?00:47
articpenguin3800i am doing that00:47
PiciAnd locking the screen when you are away.00:47
articpenguin3800thats what i have been doing in the past00:48
PiciIf you can do those things, we can unban you.  But if we see that sort of stuff from you again, you wont be getting another chance.00:49
PiciHow does that sound?00:49
articpenguin3800ok00:49
PriceChild!guidelines | articpenguin380000:50
ubotuarticpenguin3800: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines00:50
articpenguin3800thanks00:50
articpenguin3800is it possible for people to wipe a users password is recovery mode00:51
PriceChildarticpenguin3800, yes00:51
PriceChildphysical access is everything00:51
Piciarticpenguin3800: You can join #ubuntu now00:52
articpenguin3800what about the kubuntu00:52
PiciI dont have access to that, PriceChild?00:52
Picione set in +1 too00:52
articpenguin3800can i restrict programs somehow so only i can use it00:53
PriceChild!support | articpenguin380000:54
ubotuarticpenguin3800: the official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org00:54
articpenguin3800thanks00:55
articpenguin3800i will make my computer more secure from people00:56
articpenguin3800cya00:57
PriceChildelkbuntu, i got rid of wols01:25
PriceChilddirected him to here as I'm about to go01:29
elkbuntugot rid of him from where?01:31
elkbuntuah, i see01:32
Amaranthi'm going to be pretty much useless02:19
Amaranthhad to install windows on my laptop for some work stuff and now the cd drive is dead so i can't install ubuntu again02:20
Pici!install02:20
ubotuUbuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate02:20
* Pici ducks02:20
ardchoillestdin: Wow, I didn't realise vit was in there that many times02:45
stdinardchoille: he/she/it always is, just 8 concurrent connections was the proverbial straw in that case02:45
ardchoilleI agree02:46
Piciin #kubuntu I presume?02:46
stdinyeah02:46
ardchoilleYes02:46
PiciI need to add that to my auto-join02:46
stdinhe always starts connected as "vit_" then goes up to "vit________" and "vit_______freeno" this time02:47
Piciugh..02:47
ardchoilleAnd this is the second time someone has hit the @es trigger for him/her/it02:47
ardchoille*!es02:47
stdinhe's in -es too02:48
ardchoilleAh02:48
stdindo "/who *vit_*" to see all the pretty _'s02:49
PiciWeird.. they arent even from the same address.02:49
ardchoilleHmm.. multiple ip's too02:50
stdinyeah, I noticed that a few months ago02:50
stdinhe's only ever spoken a few lines in #kubuntu, mostly just joins/quits/rejoins02:51
ardchoilleI wonder how many of those are compromised boxes02:51
PiciThey could be dialup accounts..02:51
ardchoilleAh, yeah02:51
PiciI'm not up on my IP subnetting, but that isp says it owns 190.198/1502:52
stdinthey all seem to be owned by "CANTV Servicios, Venezuela"02:53
=== aryo is now known as hana
=== aryo is now known as hana
ubotuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)03:27
ubotuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)03:27
naliothyep, clone swarm03:28
Picinalioth: you're fast03:28
naliothnah, i seen 'em coming03:29
Picinalioth: still two of them hanging out in unregged03:30
naliothjust didn't know where they were going03:30
Piciah, with your staff-spidey-sense03:30
HobbseePici: might be worth becomming staff for03:32
nalioththe only thing is that you have to use your 'staff spidey sense' to the benefit of the whole network (and not just #ubuntu-land)03:37
naliothi think that line "with great power comes great responsibility" is apt here03:37
Hobbseepity03:42
sp0roIs there anyway to recover a registered IRC nick's password through the e-mail I registered the nick with?03:46
Picisp0ro: yes, ask in #freenode, this channel is only for #*buntu* related issues.03:47
sp0roAlright, sorry. The Wiki said you could ask for a hostname cloak here so I figured it might be related. Thanks :)03:47
naliothsp0ro: i can save you a trip03:49
sp0roOk, any info you need then?03:50
naliothsp0ro: your nick can't be recovered because you didn't give nickserv an email when you registered it03:50
sp0roOh03:50
sp0rogreat03:50
naliothbut if you come back in 6 days, we can release it to you for reregistration03:50
naliothunused nicks can be released after 60 days03:50
sp0roheh alright then, time to play the guessing game and then register a new nick when I get bored :p03:51
sp0roAh, might be able to release it now then, let me check03:51
naliothsp0ro: in 6 days  :)03:51
sp0roOh, heh. Thanks for the info :)03:51
sp0roWoot03:52
sp0roI remembered it :P03:52
* Hobbsee kicks prozilla03:52
sp0roNow, as for the hostname cloak, who would I contact for that to be done?03:53
Picisp0ro: Are you an Ubuntu member?03:53
sp0roDo you mean on the forums or ?03:54
Picisp0ro: I mean a member, from your answer, I'm going to assume no.03:54
sp0roI have no idea what you mean by "member", so yeah, I'll assume no.03:55
Picisp0ro: either nalioth can help you with that, or you can ask in #freenode03:55
sp0roAlright, thanks for the info. :)03:55
naliothsp0ro: did you want an Ubuntu cloak?04:08
naliothsp0ro: while you're identified, why not add an email to your account?04:08
nalioth  /msg nickserv help set email04:08
nalioth  /msg nickserv help set hide04:09
PiciI figured he'd ask in #freenode if you werent around04:09
DrDerekhas LjL returned yet?04:32
=== aryo is now known as hana
ardchoilleWhat is the proper channel for people looking for support of kde4 on kubuntu?06:26
tonyyarussonixternal: ^?06:27
stdinardchoille: #kde4-devel06:27
tonyyarussostdin: for support?06:28
tonyyarussoreally?06:28
ardchoillestdin: Ok, thanks06:28
stdinwell there is no kde4 support only channel yet, and who better for support than the devs ;)06:28
nixternalthat is a toughy06:28
naliothtonyyarusso: it's not supported by Ubuntu06:29
naliothnot at all06:29
naliothuse at your own risk06:29
tonyyarussonalioth: right06:29
nixternalkde4-devel might give you a hand, someone in #kubuntu might give you a hand06:29
nixternalwhat isn't supported by Ubuntu?06:29
stdinkde4 packages06:29
nixternalthey are supported by Kubuntu06:29
naliothnixternal: why does the kubuntu.org page say different?06:30
nixternalbecause you are reading about pre-releases06:30
nixternalwe still support the packages06:30
naliothum, until 'official' release, they are all 'pre-releases'06:30
nixternalwe can't release a package or application and not support it unless it is a binary blog06:30
nixternals/blog/blob06:30
stdinbinary blog, now that's an interesting idea... :p06:31
nixternalheh06:31
nixternalwe just aren't excepting KDE 4 bugs just yet06:31
nixternalunless of course you prove they are package bugs06:31
nixternaland if you do, then it is stdin's fault :p06:31
ardchoilleSo support questions for kde4 on kubuntu are ok in #kubuntu?06:31
naliothnixternal: you did mean "accepting", right?06:32
stdinthe packages are community supported, yes. but not many community members know much about it yet so the best place is #kde4-devel if no one knows06:32
nixternalya06:32
nixternalwhere at on kubuntu.org does it say we aren't supporting KDE 4 stuff btw? I don't see it06:32
ardchoillestdin: Oh, and thank you for your work on the packages :)06:32
stdinI just run my "backport-kde4" script :p (now I need to go make a "backport-kde4" script)06:33
nixternalhehe06:33
nixternalI am about 1/2 way done with the official.....ermmm top-secret, can't spill the beans in here :)06:34
stdinI am getting good at using dch however :)06:34
nixternaldch -e|-i06:34
nixternalthat is all I ever use with it06:34
stdineg: dch --newversion "$(dpkg-parsechangelog|grep Version:|awk '{print $2}'|awk -Fppa '{print $1"ppa"$2+1}')" "Fix FTBFS:...";;debuild -S;dput kde4 ../*.changes06:34
stdinfor ppaN->ppaN+106:35
nixternalman, you are ballsy with that one, not even testing to make sure everything got installed :p06:35
stdinI can't, because it's amd64 and lpia that's failing06:36
stdinI test when i386 fails, but anything else is just fate06:36
Hobbseestdin: wtf?07:01
Hobbseestdin: whatever happened to the dch -i "Fix FTBFS"; debuild -S;dput kde4 ../*.changes07:01
Hobbsee?07:01
stdinHobbsee: that adds ubuntu1 to the end for me, so I get "<version>~ppa1ubuntu1"07:02
Hobbseeoh, dodgy07:02
Hobbseestdin: you should provide a patch to make it understand what to do with ppa versions.07:02
stdinI did try -i first ;)07:02
stdinwhat's dch written in?07:02
Hobbseeno idea07:02
stdin/usr/bin/debchange: perl script text executable07:03
Hobbseeah, there you go07:03
stdinI know no perl, at all07:03
Hobbseeshould be fudgable07:03
stdinedo: is there something we can help you with?08:45
ardchoillejussi01: Thanks. I sometimes forget about the factoids :(10:01
jussi01:)10:01
jussi01Hmmm, I wonder what the preferred way is. I often think it would be better if we encourage people to use graphical means to do things - even though the command line is _very_ useful, Ubuntu is about being easy to use - and this would help with this image for new people.10:06
ardchoilleWell, I agree, it should be easy-to-use. But, some folks can get impatient and in the time it takes to launch adpet_manager and wait for it to be ready to use, I can sudo apt-get install something have have it almost done.10:08
ArelisThere's a wrong factoid10:23
Arelis!virtualbox10:23
ubotuVirtualBox is an x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubunut.com/community/VirtualBox10:23
Arelislook at the spelling of the URL10:23
Arelis"ubunut.com"10:23
jussi01Arelis: thank you. we will ensure it is fixed :)10:25
Arelisno problem :)10:26
jussi01Hobbsee: good morning :)10:26
ardchoilleHobbsee: Can you correct the spelling in the url of the !virtualbox factoid? (ubunut.com)10:26
Hobbseeheya!10:27
Hobbsee!virtualbox10:27
ubotuVirtualBox is an x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubunut.com/community/VirtualBox10:27
Hobbsee!no virtualbox is a  x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox10:28
ubotuI'll remember that Hobbsee10:28
Hobbsee!no virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox10:28
Hobbseedone10:28
ardchoillety :)10:28
Hobbseeubotu: ping10:29
ubotupong10:29
Hobbsee!no virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox10:29
ubotuI'll remember that Hobbsee10:29
Hobbseegood bot10:29
jussi01!virtualbox10:30
ubotuvirtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox10:30
jussi01Hobbsee: I hate to be pedantic but.... shouldnt that first "a" be "an"?10:31
Hobbseejussi01: last i checked, x is not a vowel?10:32
Hobbseeor have i gotten confused?10:32
jussi01Hobbsee: correct, BUT, its an exception to the rule iirc10:32
ardchoillex is not a vowel, true, but is it better to say " need a x-ray" or "I need an x-ray" ?10:32
jussi01because it starts with a vowel like sound?10:32
ardchoillefwiw, I agree with jussi0110:33
Hobbseeoh, i thought y was the only exception10:33
jussi01Hobbsee: Ive been out of the country a long time, I may be wrong...10:34
Hobbseejussi01: lp bug # is wrong, btw10:34
jussi01Hobbsee: ?10:34
Hobbseein the patch10:34
* jussi01 goes to look.... :(10:35
Hobbseedon't worry, i'll fix it here10:36
jussi01Hobbsee: thanks :D10:36
jussi01cari_teman_FS: can we help you?10:45
Hobbseejussi01: you testd that, i take it?10:49
jussi01Hobbsee: yes, persia has done, I havent a hardy system atm10:58
Hobbseeah right10:59
* Hobbsee isn't aware of how to compile perl and such, so...10:59
jussi01:)10:59
* stdin hugs Hobbsee for closing 2 of his bugs in one foul swoop11:02
Hobbsee:)11:02
* Hobbsee closed all the u-r-e ones too11:02
* Hobbsee also wrote a shell script to rsync the latest iso's of interest, off cdimage.11:03
stdinHobbsee's been busy11:03
Hobbseeyeah, i finally got motivated to do ubuntu stuff11:03
jpatrickstdin: and I've just closed one of yours11:05
stdinwhich one?11:05
jpatrickbug #18019911:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 180199 in meta-kde4 "Incorrect dependancy for kde4-amusements " [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18019911:06
stdinyeah, but that's a bug I created, not one I solved :p11:07
jpatrick;)11:07
stdinwhich reminds me to subscribe to bug mail for meta-kde411:08
jussi01can we add something to nickspam that encourages people to set their nick in their client setup?there are just too many people who enter, then change nick straght away...11:15
jussi01!nickspam11:18
ubotuYou should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines11:18
jussi01stdin: serial offender for the above ^11:21
* Hobbsee ponders fixing something else11:22
jussi01Hobbsee: the flash plugin :D11:22
Hobbseepft11:22
jussi01Hobbsee: do you know the current position on that? (or a bug number with info?)11:24
Hobbseeoh wow, command-not-found doesn't bail on zsh11:24
Hobbseejussi01: erm, no.  it's faily obvious in the list, though11:25
jpatrickDebian guys had it more or less fixed when I last heard anything11:25
* jussi01 is sick of flash plugin queries..11:25
ardchoilleCan someone explain that to me? I mean isn't it simply as easy as having the package download the plugin from adobe? How bad is this flash problem?11:31
Hobbseeardchoille: the latest flash breaks konq11:31
Hobbseeardchoille: essentially yes, though11:32
ardchoilleAh, that explains it. I'd love to learn how to stop konq from asking me to install flash11:32
Hobbseestop using konq.  easy solved.11:32
ardchoillehehe11:32
jussi01hmmm, can someone hilight me using my name not as the first word?11:33
jpatrickhello jussi0111:33
jussi01jpatrick: thank you!11:34
jpatrickardchoille: details: lastest Flash uses XEmbed, which Konqueror does not support (kdelibs + kdebase patch needed)11:34
ardchoillejpatrick: Oh, so it's not as simple as I thought.11:34
ardchoillejpatrick: thanks11:34
jpatrickjussi01, ardchoille: you're welcome11:34
ardchoilleWell, got flash working in konqueror12:19
ardchoilleOops, wrong window. sorry12:19
ubotuPurpZeY called the ops in #ubuntu (FLOOD)12:19
ikoniacrdlb: are you around at all please.15:33
ikoniaguys - persistant minor flooder / troll d0berman15:49
ikoniain #ubuntu15:49
ikonianothing major but getting tedious15:49
ikoniait's about to get ugly15:51
ikoniaassistance please15:51
ubotuastro76 called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (d0)15:53
ubotuikonia called the ops in #ubuntu (d0berman flooding/spamming/trolling in #ubuntu)15:53
ikoniaSeveas: has delt with, thank you15:54
=== nalioth__ is now known as nalioth
ikoniapotential issue Nahztu in #ubuntu17:04
ikoniaheads up17:04
* Tm_T hides17:05
Tm_Toh, up, not down17:05
TheSheepchicken!17:06
TheSheepuh, I mean17:06
TheSheepduck!17:06
ikoniaassistance please, it's getting a little messy in #ubuntu17:06
Tm_Tikonia: I'm on it17:08
ikoniata17:09
PriceChildwhat's it called when you have irc on one machine, then log into that whenever you need17:10
PriceChildfrom say a laptop17:10
ikoniascreen17:10
ikonia?17:10
Tm_TPriceChild: proxy/bouncer, or, irssi+screen17:10
ikoniaPriceChild: can you expand on that a tad17:10
PriceChildI like my xchat though :)17:10
ikoniaPriceChild: I've been working on options for an X version of screen for ages17:11
PriceChildand I remember setting something up to play with a little while ago that let me connect my xchat to it17:11
ikoniathe only way I've managed to do it was a really ugly setup17:11
Tm_TPriceChild: irssi as proxy17:11
* PriceChild tries out irssi-proxy17:13
Tm_Thumm, wasn't this "debian" fellow one of those regular bypass trolls?17:14
ikoniano idea17:15
Tm_Tanyway, I need to cook and eat, so I'm off a bit, sorry :/ ->17:16
Tm_Tnow I'm really gone ->17:20
Tm_T1922.41 < chuy_> What I want, is to remount the sda1 (Vagina Gentium), and then properly mount the 70 or so GB partician that cannot be found.17:23
PriceChildTm_T, keeps connecting then disconnecting me :/17:23
* PriceChild wonders why he sees ipv6 addresses17:23
Tm_T(why on earth I did spot that while trying to cook)17:23
PriceChildTm_T, that was on yesterday17:23
PriceChildTm_T, it seems slightly legit to piracy17:23
Tm_TPriceChild: no idea what you're talking about17:24
Tm_Tanyway, back cooking myself ->17:24
PriceChildTm_T, irssi proxy 8-)17:24
ikoniaTm_T: when did chuy_ say that17:35
ikoniaTm_T: was that today17:35
Ariel_EranHi  there all17:36
Tm_Tikonia: was ~15 min ago17:38
ikoniaTm_T: I believe this is a scam, he's been in 2 days trying to solve this problem (it's been solved multiple times for him) it looks like an excuse to keep saying "vagina"17:38
Tm_Tanyway, I'm eating now17:40
Tm_Talso, seems like I'm veeery busy all this night ;(17:40
pricechi1dyay that's working...17:55
pricechi1dns info pricechi1d17:55
=== nalioth_ is now known as nalioth
ubotuastro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (as)18:24
ubotuastro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (tuxice)18:33
ubotuIn ubotu, ed_ said: What is the universe repository for?19:04
Pici!bot > ed_19:04
ubotuIn ubotu, ed_ said: What is beryl?19:06
* Pici facepalms19:06
PriceChildznc looks cool19:22
PiciOh, are you here for good now?19:22
ikoniaPriceChild: are you using znc as way of connecting/controlling remove X11 apps ?19:24
ikoniaooh I see it's an irc tool19:24
ikonianot what I thought19:24
PriceChildPici, i just had to reboot because i told my friend that the little smartmedia disk they had would fit in my laptop, but it didn't19:25
PriceChildPici, and only had metal things, so turned it all off and battery out then fished it back out19:25
PriceChildikonia, it seems to work quite well... if I run an irssi connected to it logging for me.19:29
GaryLjL, might want to set guard on too19:29
ikoniaPriceChild: it's not the tool I thought it was, but it looks interesting19:35
PriceChildIt seems quite cool, was easier to set up than irssiproxy which I haven't completely fixed up yet.19:36
PriceChildNeed to decide about hte machine first though19:36
ikoniaPriceChild: I'm not quite catching how different the solution is to say irssi and screen19:38
ikoniaPriceChild: quick summary, is there something obvious I'm missing19:39
ikonia(I'm just reading on sourceforge)19:39
PriceChildi guess its slightly simpler just using proxy19:40
PriceChildhmm there is one difference19:40
PriceChildlog into znc and it gives you a buffer19:40
PriceChildwhich i like19:40
PriceChild*just using irssi19:40
ikoniaok, so the buffer is probably bigger than irssi nativly19:40
PriceChildoh sorry i misread you earlier19:41
ikoniaooh19:41
PriceChildi would prefer to keep using xchat19:41
PriceChildrather than irssi + screen19:41
ikoniaPriceChild: yup, that bit I understand but how are you using xchat through znc19:41
ikonia(I also miss-read you before I assumed you where using irssi+znc AS the solution you wanted)19:42
PriceChildirssiproxy + screen is good though, i'm sure there must be something letting you have a buffer in it19:42
PriceChildznc just acts as an irc server which you can connect xchat to19:42
ikoniaand then znc connect to the real irc server19:42
ikoniaok, I see the difference, thank you19:42
ikoniaI wasn't quite getting that from the inital lines in the docs19:42
ompaulkeem an eye on tuxice in various channels19:48
ompaulkeep even - now missing from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic19:48
jpatricktuxick?19:49
ompaultuxice it was19:50
jpatrickwell, I can see a tuxick in #kubuntu19:50
PriceChildompaul, was talking with him yesterday19:51
PriceChildodd fellow19:51
ompaulPriceChild, I just banned him from both locations19:52
PriceChildtried to convince me to make him an admin on ubuntuforums.org because he had experience on other forums19:52
ompaulhah19:52
ompaulI am gone cooking19:52
PriceChildobviously not enough experience to work out i'm a mod not an admin19:52
PriceChildtuxice is incoming19:55
* crdlb thinks floodbot2 is malfunctioning19:55
tuxicehi i need to state a case19:56
tuxicecan someone give me the guidlines19:56
tuxice?19:56
PriceChild!guidelines19:56
ubotuThe people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines19:56
tuxice!guidelines19:56
PriceChildtuxice, read the message ubotu has already given19:57
tuxiceoh19:57
PriceChildcrdlb, hmm.... i forget hte command i think i need to use....19:57
PriceChildgah nal's away19:58
PriceChildLjL, ping19:59
PriceChild3 and 1 are in emergency mode :.19:59
PriceChildtuxice, can I help?20:00
Cpudan80Hello all20:00
Cpudan80What's going on with the flood bots in #ubuntu ?20:01
tuxiceim just reading the guidelines20:01
PriceChildCpudan80, we are aware and just getting things sorted now.20:01
Cpudan80Oh ok20:02
Cpudan80Just thought I'd mention it20:02
PriceChildThanks :)20:02
tuxiceso are the bots fixed?20:08
PriceChildtuxice, no need to worry about them. Can I help you yet?20:10
LjLtuxice: no, they're just gone20:10
ubotuBluesKaj called the ops in #kubuntu ()20:16
PriceChildtuxic1, hello?20:17
tuxic1ah man my nic messed up againg20:18
tuxic1yes20:18
tuxic1u wanted me?20:18
tuxic1according to ompaul20:18
PriceChildtuxic1, you want to contest a ban?20:18
tuxic1i do20:19
PriceChild#ubuntu-offtopic?20:19
tuxic1i was experementing with the bots and i got banned ok the first time i got kicked i deserved i was swearing but getting banned in the -offtopic (#ubuntu-offtopic is the social channel frequented by quite a few user) for social entries???20:20
PriceChildyes so you were using bad language, and abused the bots20:21
tuxic1ya the first time and secong time (which i got kicked) and then i got banned20:21
tuxic1!!!!!20:21
PriceChildYou were given several warnings...20:22
PriceChildboth via channel messages, and via kicks20:22
PriceChildand your final bit of bot abuse resulted in a ban20:22
tuxic1how did a abuse the bots a third time???20:22
PriceChildtuxic1, someone gave you botabuse... then you returned it to them.20:23
tuxic1ya because they gave it to me for aboslutly no reason20:23
PriceChild(the !botabuse factoid)20:23
PriceChildso if they shouldn't have given it to you, it makes it fine for you to abuse the bot and give it back?20:24
tuxic1???huh?20:24
ompaultuxic1, you should be aware that !action now (time stamp) may cause people to react to you in 1/ 5/ 10 or even 15 minutes20:24
tuxic1i still dont think i should have been banned20:25
PriceChildtuxic1, see the following:20:25
PriceChild2008-01-06T20:40:12 <Pici> !botabuse | tuxice20:25
PriceChild2008-01-06T20:40:52 <tuxice> !botabuse | pici20:25
PriceChild2008-01-06T20:41:07 *** ompaul sets mode: +b20:25
ompaultuxic1, being advised of the channel policy when you are clearly skating close to the edge or over it but being tolerated but not permission to get away with it - might be a bit hard for you to grasp20:26
PriceChildtuxic1, you should perhaps read the text of the factoid, which would have helped you experiment with the bot in private20:26
ompaulthe ban was not for one thing, but your general attitude, and behaviour20:26
Cpudan80To be fair20:26
Cpudan80You banned him only 18 seconds after the warning20:26
PriceChildCpudan80, "the warning"?20:27
tuxic1im still here20:27
PriceChildCpudan80, there were multiple warnings *and* kicks before the final ban.20:27
ompaulhe had been removed several minutes earlier20:27
PriceChildCpudan80, can I help you?20:27
Cpudan80Well, after you sent that factoid thing20:27
PriceChildCpudan80, there were multiple warnings *and* kicks before the final ban.20:27
Cpudan80PriceChild: No no, I was just commenting20:27
ompaulCpudan80, what can we do for you?20:27
Cpudan80Oh I just came in here to ask about the flood bots20:27
Cpudan80PriceChild: Oh really? I missed that part20:28
PriceChildCpudan80, so it seems, LjL can probably help if you direct questions to him. (he's /away atm though so be patient waiting for responses)20:28
PriceChildtuxic1, so...20:29
tuxic1so only technicallyviolated the rules twice and then i got banned from not only the violated forum but th #ubuntu support forum AS WELL20:30
ompaulit is not about technically breaking rules20:30
tuxic1and even if i violated 3 times why did i get blocked from both?20:31
ompaultuxic1, your use of the ! in #ubuntu was trollful20:31
tuxic1ok 1 warning20:31
Tm_Ttuxic1: btw we don't deal forums, sooo20:31
ompauldoing my nick with a ! in front of it in #ubuntu well what did you expect20:31
tuxic1i wanted to see if it would say like ubuntu operator or something20:32
PriceChildtuxic1, completely unrelated, what's your nick on ubuntuforums.org ?20:32
tuxic1tux.ice20:32
ompaultuxic1,  not a hope, you were just removed from another place what do you expect the same latitude in a busy support channel, it would never function if there was not a much heavier line taken in there20:32
ompaultuxic1, well - you had !botabuse20:33
ompaulyou had been informed to /msg the bot20:33
ompaulso you don't get any latitude20:33
PriceChildtuxic1, You were given *multiple* warnings that your behaviour was not accepted. You were suggested to msg the bot in private.20:33
ompaulon that20:33
tuxic1but its the -offtopic forum20:33
PriceChildtuxic1, you were *NOT* banned from the forums. I have given you a 1 point infraction which long expired ago. It requires 15 to ban you.20:33
ompaultuxic1, we don't mind people joining the community, but they do so on its terms, not abusing or trolling20:33
tuxic1**irc client srry20:33
ompaulothers is a good way to behave in this situation20:33
ompaulCpudan80, is there anything else we can help with?20:34
Cpudan80Not at the moment20:34
ompaultuxic1, you said you read the guidelines and the CoC20:35
tuxic1yes......20:35
LjLPriceChild: hey, i think we should adopt that point system too.20:35
ompaultuxic1, do you think that your behaviour was suitable in the light of that20:35
LjLwait, that was a broken part of my brain speaking... i DON'T think so.20:35
ompaulLjL, what 1 point20:35
ompaulbye20:35
tuxic1not really no20:36
PriceChildLjL, hehe... we obviously give more for more serious things.. 10 points puts them on moderation. We can also stop them expiring etc.20:36
LjLPriceChild: well i'd be fine with 1 point each kick and 10 points a ban, i'd just have to kick 10 time. which is fun.20:37
ompaultuxic1, ok so what kind of a commitment can we expect from you in relation to not annoying other users?20:37
tuxic1i wont annymore20:37
ompaultuxic1, a piece of advice, if you are asked to cool it, or not do something don't do it20:39
PriceChildtuxic1, still think ompaul was wrong to ban you?20:39
tuxic1from one chat no, from both, yes20:39
PriceChildeven though you seemed to be doing the same thing in both?20:40
tuxic1but still20:40
tuxic1had i commited the same act 3 times in one chat?20:40
ompaultuxic1, regard all #ubuntu space as being the one channel20:41
ompaultuxic1, now answer the question again in light of this20:41
tuxic1ok one more unrelated question. why cant a user open up a #ubuntu channel if its empty such as #ubuntu-bob20:41
PriceChildtuxic1, do you think we should have waited for the 3rd time in the second channel if you'd already done it once?20:41
ikoniaTm_T: can you give him a prod please.20:41
tuxic1or #ubuntu-help20:42
tuxic1a prod?20:42
ikoniaTm_T: any change of a ban on that20:42
ompaultuxic1, freenode rules - #ubuntu-* is owned by the people who own #ubuntu20:42
ikonia< FLUxXxX> f*you.20:42
ikonia FLUxXxX [n=root@89.136.171.229] has left #ubuntu []20:42
Tm_Tcaaaaaaaaaaant20:42
Tm_Tblast20:42
ikoniaTm_T: I see your well ahead of me, thanks20:43
tuxic1ok so if i owned #bob anything #bob-* is also mine?20:43
LjLno20:43
ikoniaheads on on roy back20:43
Tm_Tikonia: yu, but I can't do any bans in there :(20:43
PriceChildtuxic1, please go to freenode and read about groups20:43
LjLtuxic1: i refer you to www.freenode.net20:43
tuxic1ok back on topic20:43
ompaulPriceChild, you have a sense of humour, I'll give you that ;-)20:43
ompaulPriceChild, vis your last removal :)20:44
ikoniaompaul: PriceChild  heads up20:44
ikoniaoooh your there20:44
ompaulikonia,20:44
ikonianever mind20:44
ompaulk20:44
PriceChildtuxic1, ok well I've gone over the logs and I believe that all kicks and both bans were warranted. I suggest you read the guidelines until you realise what you did wrong.20:45
tuxic1i realize what ive done wrong20:46
PriceChildBut until now you have been debating it.20:46
PriceChildThe bans will not be lifted at this time.20:46
tuxic1if were talking about all #ubuntu-* eing one big chat then he had full right to ban me.20:47
tuxic1**being20:47
PriceChildyou still don't realise what you've done wrong...20:48
tuxic1i do ive violated bot abuse and gotten a bad attitude on the -offtopic forum20:48
LjLwhich is a channel20:49
Tm_Tchannel, not forum :)20:49
PriceChildtuxic1, and so you've been banned.20:49
tuxic1srry20:49
tuxic1channel20:49
tuxic1**20:49
PriceChildyou then started the same in #ubuntu, and were banned20:49
Tm_Tsomeone ban randomtime!20:50
tuxic1so anyone can say !botabuse and so it is true?20:50
Tm_Ttuxic1: no20:50
PriceChildTm_T, ?20:50
Tm_TI can't ban20:51
Tm_Tin #ubuntu that ias20:51
Tm_Tis20:51
PriceChildwhere?20:51
tuxic1but i only did it twice in -ubuntuofftopic and once in ubuntu and got banned from both20:51
Jack_Sparrow[12:48] <Randomtime> try rm - rf /    in ubuntu20:51
PriceChildthanks20:51
Tm_Tsorry I'm bit off here20:51
ikoniathe boys are on it20:52
ikoniapanic not20:52
ompaulPriceChild, I am letting noor back20:52
Tm_Talso quite gone ->20:52
ompaulhad a chat with him20:52
ompaulhands where held very high20:52
PriceChildompaul, ok20:53
PriceChildtuxic1, so, is there anything else I can help you with?20:56
tuxic1not really20:56
PriceChildCome back in a week or so and we can talk about it again20:56
ompaultuxic1, if there is nothing else, please read the topic for this channel, the command /topic will make it visible to you20:59
ikoniaheads up, I think I've got an old troll baiting me under a different nick21:02
ikoniaEgonStork21:02
ikoniaa guy under another nick was trying to bait me and saying I was calling all users idiots because I didn't advise them to build custom kernels21:03
LjLompaul: and you are banned21:03
LjLban evading21:03
ompaulLjL, ?21:04
LjLnaudiz/egonstork21:04
ompaulya21:04
ompaulwell that is known but we action what we action21:04
LjLbanned as naudiz!*@*!#ubuntu-ops21:04
ikoniayes, that was him21:04
PriceChildLjL, that guy isn't trying to speak a language21:04
PriceChildnaudiz rings a bell21:04
ikoniahe was making thing up that I didn't say21:04
ikoniaeg: posting "<ikonia> all users are idiots, and dick heads"21:05
PriceChildikonia, hmmmmm I don't know who believe...21:05
ikoniato make it look like I said things21:05
LjLPriceChild, i think he is. russian with KOI-8 encoding methinks21:05
PriceChildthat logs is pretty convincing21:05
ikoniaPriceChild: ????21:05
ikoniaPriceChild: are you serious ?21:05
PriceChildikonia, no :)21:05
ikoniathank god21:05
ikonia</phew>21:05
ikoniaahhh so you have seen the logs of the old conversation21:05
ikoniaok, cool21:05
ikonianasty bit of work21:05
ompaulikonia, if you see someone doing that kind of approach give a yell in here21:06
PriceChildI haven't seen logs :)21:06
ikoniaompaul: hence the yell "heads up - I've got a troll baiting me"21:06
ikonia;)21:06
ompaulbtw there is another classic troll - I want support for breezy - you telling me I can't have it21:06
ikoniaPriceChild: ahh, in that case "thank you"21:06
PriceChildLjL, i was gonna just remove to disappoint him21:09
LjLheh21:09
PriceChildHey Elidix, how can I help?21:20
ElidixI wanted to take a look around only, thanks anyways :)21:21
PriceChildElidix, how did you find this channel?21:22
jpatrickPriceChild: I told someone to come here to get a cloak, she saw it :)21:23
PriceChildjpatrick, who needs a cloak?21:23
PriceChildand thanks :)21:24
jpatrickPriceChild: rouzic, but he has yet to /join21:24
PriceChildLjL, wanna set irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com as the contact address for ubuntu-irc-council on launchpad?21:29
PriceChildoh wait i can do it21:30
PriceChildoh wait, no need to change that one21:31
ompaulPriceChild, ping22:03
PriceChildompaul, pong22:04
ompaulpm22:04
ompaulhe has pinged me22:05
DrDerek-_- comeback LjL...23:08
LjLsay what?23:10

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