[00:25] <iN00DLE> is the only preference settings for the app Gimmie via gconf-editor or am I missing something?
[00:38] <WorkingOnWis1> anyone useis anyone running Hardy AMD64 and successfully using Acrobat Reader from the Mediubuntu repo?
[00:40] <iN00DLE> medibuntu supports hardy?
[00:41] <iN00DLE> you have the triple barrel of death going, unstable linux + 64 bit + non-official repo...
[00:43] <yoda> isn't acrobat reader proprietary too?
[00:43] <crimsun> yes.
[00:43] <iN00DLE> >.<
[00:43] <WorkingOnWis1> iN00DLE: lol....and still its better than my previous OS...
[00:43] <yoda> Winblows?
[00:43] <WorkingOnWis1> yup
[00:43] <yoda> shocking
[00:44] <WorkingOnWis1> yeah....totally
[00:44] <WorkingOnWis1> :)
[00:44] <iN00DLE> I am gonna guess WorkingOnWis1 likes bleeding edge
[00:45] <WorkingOnWis1> me? a little....it all started when my nephew shwed off vitas flip 3d
[00:45] <WorkingOnWis1> vista
[00:45] <WorkingOnWis1> i had to show up the little brat!  :D
[00:45] <WorkingOnWis1> compiz-fusion did it...
[00:45] <WorkingOnWis1> and then awm did it again
[00:46] <WorkingOnWis1> awn
[00:46] <WorkingOnWis1> and then screenlets did it again...
[00:46] <superracer21x> need help
[00:47] <WorkingOnWis1> and then theres the fact that I have 2.4GB of ram, 900MB in use....and 32MB swaped...
[00:47] <WorkingOnWis1> hehe..yeah...i like blood
[00:48] <superracer21x> need help
[00:48] <yoda> superracer21x - professional help or help with hardy?
[00:48] <WorkingOnWis1> lol
[00:48] <superracer21x> profesional
[00:49] <yoda> ... then you've come to the wrong place
[00:49] <iN00DLE> >.>
[00:49] <superracer21x> so u can help me
[00:49] <WorkingOnWis1> my psychiatrist is good..  >:)
[00:49] <yoda> haha
[00:49] <yoda> super - if you ask a question, probably not - but I'd ask anyway just in case
[00:49] <superracer21x> i need help with linux
[00:49] <WorkingOnWis1> !ask
[00:49] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[00:49] <iN00DLE> are you using hardy heron superracer21x
[00:50] <iN00DLE> the fact you said you need help with linux sends up flags that if you are using hardy maybe you shouldn't
[00:50] <yoda> lol iN00DLE, so true.
[00:50] <yoda> except, not "maybe"
[00:51] <yoda> definately not.
[00:51] <superracer21x> im trieng to install this program i donloaded from the internet but every time i try to i get and error saying i can only have one manger running at the time and its not the program cause i trid on different programs also
[00:51] <yoda> o_O
[00:51] <superracer21x> what do i do
[00:51] <iN00DLE> what distribution are you using superracer21x ?
[00:51] <superracer21x> ubuntu
[00:52] <yoda> what version?
[00:52] <iN00DLE> what version?
[00:52] <superracer21x> newest 7.10 i think
[00:52] <yoda> you need #ubuntu
[00:52] <yoda> this is for 8.04
[00:52] <superracer21x> oh
[00:52] <iN00DLE> man yoda you are really good
[00:52] <iN00DLE> >.>
[00:53] <iN00DLE> now I have to figure out why emerald just crashed...
[00:53] <yoda> I don't even have my own GUI atm! i'm borrowing my sister's :P she's running gutsy
[00:53] <iN00DLE> the fact your sis is on linux is scary, she might just take over the world
[00:54] <yoda> lol, it's my fault she is
[00:54] <yoda> and she's always bitching about it :( despite the problems she's having being nothing compared to what she had in windows
[00:54] <WorkingOnWis1> has anyone here used irqbalance?
[00:54] <yoda> she lost her entire hard disk 3 times, she lost the display drivers 15 times and she never got the resolution above 640x480 in windows
[00:55] <yoda> I kept telling her not to use peer-peer network clients like Kazaa...
[00:56] <yoda> oh you quit and rejoined
[00:56] <yoda> you missed all of that then
[00:56] <WorkingOnWis1> is there some way to use one wifi card for both an internet connection and an adhoc connection?
[00:56] <yoda> lol
[00:56] <iN00DLE> I had to reset x, the emerald crash hosed me
[00:56] <yoda> ahh
[00:57] <yoda> WorkingOnWis1, not as far as I'm aware, unless the ad-hoc has a connection somewhere else
[00:57] <yoda> but that probably wouldn't be what you're describing
[01:00] <WorkingOnWis1> hmmm... is there such a thing as a wireless hub, that all the computers can connect to via wifi, and then either out to the internet, or just out to the LAN? Like in the old days or wired network connections?
[01:00] <yoda> like a wireless router?
[01:00] <iN00DLE> >.>
[01:01] <WorkingOnWis1> wireless router connects to wireless hub.
[01:01] <iN00DLE> wireless hub aka hotspot?
[01:01] <WorkingOnWis1> hmmm....maybe...
[01:01] <WorkingOnWis1> is that what I'm looking for?
[01:01] <iN00DLE> what are you trying to do WorkingOnWis1 ?
[01:01] <iN00DLE> you mean for your home use?
[01:02] <WorkingOnWis1> i have 5 wifi machines at home...all laptops
[01:02] <iN00DLE> then you should only need a wireless router
[01:02] <WorkingOnWis1> i want them all networked, and to have internet access
[01:02] <yoda> wireless router is the way
[01:02] <iN00DLE> unless you have a wired router and thus you want a wireless X?
[01:02] <yoda> or you could use a linux box, with a connection to the internet (eg cable modem) and a DHCPd running
[01:03] <iN00DLE> yep
[01:03] <WorkingOnWis1> i have never found a way to get anywhere but to the internet thru my router if i connect wireless
[01:04] <iN00DLE> well you need a network setup then, if you want something like that either your main machine (where the wireless is connected) or
[01:04] <iN00DLE> do what yoda is suggesting
[01:04] <iN00DLE> have a home server setup to handle it all, with networked music directories and all the jingles
[01:04] <WorkingOnWis1> um...nevermind....
[01:04] <WorkingOnWis1> i'm an idiot
[01:04] <WorkingOnWis1> the last time i tried it...i was in windows
[01:05] <WorkingOnWis1> and we all know how silky smooth MS networking is...
[01:05] <iN00DLE> if you just want the laptops to blindly get to the internet, you only need the wireless router setup to network, etc.
[01:05] <WorkingOnWis1> I just went to Network in Nautilus
[01:05] <iN00DLE> >.<
[01:05] <WorkingOnWis1> all the machines that are powered up are there.
[01:06] <WorkingOnWis1> in Windows...it didnt work as planed at all...
[01:06] <WorkingOnWis1> here it Just Works  )
[01:06] <yoda> never say Just Works
[01:06] <yoda> it's like a curse
[01:06] <iN00DLE> I find the most problematic issues with windows home networking is that both windows and all the little disks that come with your other hardware for networking
[01:06] <WorkingOnWis1> lol
[01:06] <WorkingOnWis1> k
[01:06] <yoda> if you say it, your plans will be afflicted with Murphy's Law
[01:06] <iN00DLE> tend to confuse the average home user
[01:07] <WorkingOnWis1> I killed the sob
[01:08] <WorkingOnWis1> iN00DLE: I have set up 500 node netware networks, 150 node unix networks, and 20 node appletalk networks...all with relatively little trouble....
[01:08] <WorkingOnWis1> then theres MS
[01:08] <WorkingOnWis1> ant their better ways
[01:09] <WorkingOnWis1> down the server....down all nodes....stert server....reboot switch...start all node...and pray
[01:09] <iN00DLE> how was appletalk WorkingOnWis1 ?
[01:09] <WorkingOnWis1> iN00DLE: it was the mot painful of the 3 because I am soooo not farmilur with macs in general
[01:09] <WorkingOnWis1> most
[01:10] <iN00DLE> I bet it is worse when you try to have it play with other systems
[01:10] <WorkingOnWis1> it is, because I dont know the interface, the dialogs, the terminology...
[01:11] <yoda> working with windows is like eating raw chicken, even if you succeed it's only a bad thing
[01:12] <WorkingOnWis1> but lol....i like that! so true!
[01:13] <WorkingOnWis1> I also like "Air conditioners and computers are a lot alike..."
[01:13] <WorkingOnWis1>  "they stop working well if u open Windows"
[01:13] <yoda> haha
[01:14] <yoda> that is also very true
[01:14] <iN00DLE> well adding to this OT whenever I use windows its like that rattle in your car you just can't locate
[01:14] <iN00DLE> you know something is wrong, but finding it isn't easy
[01:14] <WorkingOnWis1> lol
[01:15] <iN00DLE> and when using windows it feels like all my lugnuts are loose
[01:15] <iN00DLE> seriously, it just feels like it will collapse any minute
[01:15] <WorkingOnWis1> yeah...very un-nerving
[01:16] <yoda> yeah it's true
[01:16] <yoda> mind you, I found a clean install of windows XP at my old workplace which actually ran stable... for the duration of my shift :P
[01:16] <WorkingOnWis1> lol
[01:17] <iN00DLE> a fresh install of windows, once defragged (chuckle) is as stable as it will every be
[01:17] <WorkingOnWis1> I like XP best in a virtual machine where it cant do any damage
[01:17] <iN00DLE> then it just goes to heck from there
[01:17] <Dannilion> My Windows XP is currently stable
[01:17] <Dannilion> That said, it was installed yesterday and has no Internet Explorer :p
[01:18] <WorkingOnWis1> Dannilion: hahaha
[01:18] <iN00DLE> windows only really blows the more you use it and install/uninstall
[01:18] <Dannilion> Yeah
[01:18] <WorkingOnWis1> strip all the junk from it and the dang thing is as fast and stable as Ubuntu!
[01:18] <Dannilion> I have the programs I need installed now, and striped loads from it (as well as IE)
[01:18] <iN00DLE> I think they call that version DOS, WorkingOnWis1
[01:18] <yoda> yeah, but nowhere near as usable
[01:19] <Dannilion> It's perfectly usable for what I want
[01:19] <iN00DLE> I just need a new computer, being a gamer this old junk I have can't handle wine enabled gaming
[01:19] <WorkingOnWis1> iN00DLE: lol  yeah! I have DOS 6.22 on a vm just so can remember the days when MS had stable code!
[01:19] <iN00DLE> wow WorkingOnWis1
[01:20] <yoda> MS still has stable code, it's just dead now
[01:20] <iN00DLE> once upon a time Windows was simply a GUI for DOS
[01:20] <Dannilion> Firefox and Thunderbird for internet stuffs, Second Life, The Sims 2 and Windows Live Messenger. The firewall is the hardware one built into my motherboard, and Avast! for antivirus
[01:20] <Dannilion> I remember that, iN00DLE. Started with Windows 3.11
[01:20] <DarkMageZ> hey. no need for your fud against windows. windows is stable if you have a clue.
[01:20] <Dannilion> had to exit Windows to play games :D
[01:20] <yoda> I started on windows 3.2 I think
[01:20] <WorkingOnWis1> iN00DLE: until WinNT, all Windows (3.11, 95, 98, ME) were all GUI's on top of DOS
[01:21] <WorkingOnWis1> DOS 7.0 was what Win98 ran on top of
[01:21] <Dannilion> In XP there's still some DOS there, hanging on...
[01:21] <yoda> just because you can make an OS stable, doesn't make the OS stable... it has to be stable out of the box
[01:21] <Dannilion> (haven't tried Vista properly yet)
[01:21] <yoda> I can make hardy stable, it doesn't mean it should be used by every end-user right now... does it?
[01:21] <WorkingOnWis1> Dannilion: that is the proper way to try it
[01:21] <iN00DLE> vista sp1 already
[01:21] <WorkingOnWis1> it doesn't?  :)
[01:22] <yoda> no, because it's not stable out of the box... that's kind of my point
[01:22] <WorkingOnWis1> iN00DLE: well, it has been almost a year....it's time I guess
[01:22] <DarkMageZ> yoda, xp is stable after applying the updates. providing you don't mistreat it. i can't say the same for ubuntu...
[01:22] <Dannilion> XP with SP2 is reasonably stable out of the box
[01:22] <yoda> DarkMageZ, show me a stable XP
[01:22] <WorkingOnWis1> DarkMageZ: you Ubuntu is unstable?
[01:23] <DarkMageZ> WorkingOnWis1, i have problems with firefox & pidgin exploding.
[01:23] <yoda> anyway, I'm more interested in stability on a server platform... not a client platform, don't know about anyone else =\
[01:23] <yoda> windows XP is NOT a server platform
[01:23] <WorkingOnWis1> DarkMageZ: gutsy or hardy?
[01:23] <iN00DLE> then that is your issue DarkMageZ , I have no issues with those
[01:23] <iN00DLE> I haven't had many with this "unstable" Ubuntu so far
[01:23] <DarkMageZ> WorkingOnWis1, both.
[01:24] <WorkingOnWis1> 32 or 64 bit?
[01:24] <DarkMageZ> WorkingOnWis1, 32bit.
[01:24] <yoda> by "explode"... what do you mean?
[01:24] <yoda> and have you debugged?
[01:25] <iN00DLE> WorkingOnWis1 isn't happy with just some off the shelf 32bit, he needs 64, unstable ubuntu and adobe to enjoy his experience fully
[01:25] <DarkMageZ> yoda, crash. i've sent the apport reports from hardy to launchpad.
[01:25] <yoda> lol iN00DLE
[01:25] <WorkingOnWis1> I must admit....ff and pidgin also are my problem children....but considering I am on Hardy, I can deal with it. pidgin has been very good since the last update however
[01:25] <WorkingOnWis1> iN00DLE: lol...yeah :)
[01:25] <iN00DLE> what version of FF WorkingOnWis1 ?
[01:26] <Dannilion> I must admit I am happier with an unstable Ubuntu too... hence me having Hardy on my laptop
[01:26] <WorkingOnWis1> 2.0.0.11
[01:26] <Dannilion> being an old Windows migrant I need something to fix :p
[01:26] <iN00DLE> give 3.0 a try in hardy, or were you the one that was waiting til the add ons caught up?
[01:26] <WorkingOnWis1> iN00DLE: thats me
[01:27] <iN00DLE> ahh, 3.0 seems pretty stable on hardy
[01:27] <iN00DLE> but again I am only on 32bit
[01:27] <WorkingOnWis1> but I've heard so much good about f3 I may slit that too...a little more blood is kewl
[01:27] <yoda> is 3.0 all it's cracked up to be?
[01:27] <iN00DLE> is it sooooooooo worth grabbing?  no
[01:27] <Dannilion> Firefox 3.0 is cool on Gutsy, Hardy and on Windows XP :p
[01:27] <WorkingOnWis1> I keep hearing how great it's memory use is
[01:27] <iN00DLE> in the end it is just a browser
[01:28] <bderrly> yoda, aside from having no plugins work for it yet, it works fine
[01:28] <Dannilion> I've found it to be much faster
[01:28] <yoda> right, I'll give it a blast then
[01:28] <iN00DLE> I run all this on an old P3 866, so every bit of ease on CPU is nice, the fact hardy is even able to run on this box makes me happy
[01:28] <WorkingOnWis1> i dont have java or flash in ff2, so it may not mattr to me!
[01:28] <ryanpg> hi all... is it to be expected that the latest fglrx doesn't build currently on hardy?
[01:29] <Amaranth> probably
[01:29] <ryanpg> hi Amaranth thanks
[01:30] <Dannilion> ooh... time for updates on both computers
[01:30] <WorkingOnWis1> so none of u are using irqbalance?
[01:30] <Dannilion> not here
[01:30] <Amaranth> WorkingOnWis1: why would you?
[01:31] <WorkingOnWis1> more bleeding edge...its supposed to better balance irq's between cpu's
[01:31] <Amaranth> i think it also wastes battery?
[01:31] <bderrly> does anyone have irq sharing issues anymore?
[01:31] <ryanpg> I certainly did
[01:31] <bderrly> i thought those days were long gone
[01:32] <ryanpg> I couldn't get low latency audio performance without irqbalance
[01:32] <Amaranth> i know one of the top things in powertop is "rescheduling interrupts" or something
[01:32] <WorkingOnWis1> bderrly: noe irq sharing so much as cpu resource mangement
[01:33] <WorkingOnWis1> ryanpg: so u have seen good results with it?
[01:33] <WorkingOnWis1> Amaranth: any idea how hard an impact on bettery life?
[01:33] <WorkingOnWis1> battery
[01:33] <Amaranth> no idea at all
[01:33] <Amaranth> not even sure if it does
[01:33] <ryanpg> WorkingOnWis1, it fixed the issue I was having but I don't know if there were any powersavings side effects
[01:34] <WorkingOnWis1> well, I'm using it as of a few minutes ago , on my laptop, so I guess I'll see  :)
[01:35] <WorkingOnWis1> I would see several times where one core would be at 100%, the other as 3%, and the systen would be slugish. I'm hoping this smooths things out some
[01:40] <WorkingOnWis1> Help me understanding something. Right now Evolution is at version 2.21. Lets assume it stays there until Hardy goes to Final Release. Lets say in July 2008 Evolution hits 2.4 and major killer app status, even more than it is now. Will hardy stay at 2.21 plus security patches, or will it eventually go to 2.4?
[01:42] <iN00DLE> 2.4?
[01:42] <iN00DLE> Gnome goes 2.22 just before hardy goes live, or so I thought
[01:42] <WorkingOnWis1> 2.4 is just an example
[01:43] <WorkingOnWis1> Does Gnome and Evolution follow the same version numbers now?
[01:43] <iN00DLE> they used to, as far as same or roughly same release timeline, it got out of whack though
[01:44] <WorkingOnWis1> I just noticed that Gnome is 2.21 also....
[01:45] <WorkingOnWis1> the two Evolution features I am waiting for is gmail contacts sync and Google Calendar two way support
[01:45] <WorkingOnWis1> my life would then be complete
[01:45] <iN00DLE> anyways to better answer your original Q, even if it doesn't show up swiftly in the repos you can bet there will be a .deb for the latest gnome for ubuntu asap
[01:45] <iN00DLE> gmail contact sync 0.0
[01:45] <iN00DLE> that would be sweet
[01:46] <WorkingOnWis1> iN00DLE: it is supplsed to be working in 2.22
[01:46] <iN00DLE> same for calendar though I think that is available now?
[01:46] <iN00DLE> I have been meaning to check the calender syncing WorkingOnWis1
[01:46] <WorkingOnWis1> i saw today they changed the way u set up a google calendar in evolution, but have not tried it yet. 2 weeks ago it didnt work
[01:47] <iN00DLE> I see, where did you see this WorkingOnWis1 ?  gnome wiki?
[01:48] <WorkingOnWis1> I did a google for ubuntu evolution google calendar
[01:49] <WorkingOnWis1> it evolution you can now pick Google Calendar as a calendar type
[01:49] <WorkingOnWis1> but it keeps forgetting my username,,,,
[01:50] <iN00DLE> I see the syncing was only working one-way
[01:50] <iN00DLE> Google > Evo, Evo > Google wasn't working
[01:51] <WorkingOnWis1> yup. I did see today that it is supposed to work in 2.22  We are at 2.21 and it looks like the Google Calendar plugin is being worked on still.
[01:55] <iN00DLE> well I just went in the calendar and I can't even select google for publishing
[01:55] <iN00DLE> google is there, selection is not possible
[01:57] <ryanpg> it seems like the fglrx installer isn't finding libraries in /usr/lib via dpkg-shlibdeps
[01:57] <ryanpg> dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libXext.so.6 needed by debian/xorg-driver-fglrx/usr/lib32/libGL.so.1.2 (its RPATH is '').
[01:57] <ryanpg> libXext.so.6 is in /usr/lib
[02:01] <WorkingOnWis1> iN00DLE: do u have the Google Calendar plugin checked?
[02:01] <iN00DLE> I thought so WorkingOnWis1 , let me reload evo
[02:02] <WorkingOnWis1> k
[02:03] <iN00DLE> I have google sources checked under plugins
[02:03] <iN00DLE> and I have Calendar Publishing checked
[02:04] <WorkingOnWis1> whan u add a new calendar, do u see Google Calendar as a choice in the top drop-down box?
[02:05] <iN00DLE> Yes, sorry not to familar with this, let me fiddle more now WorkingOnWis1 , since you got me going in the right direction
[02:07] <WorkingOnWis1> iN00DLE: dont spend too much time. it still dont work...
[02:07] <WorkingOnWis1> kina like the sound control panel button in Wine
[02:08] <WorkingOnWis1> the button is there but theres no useful code behind it yet
[02:09] <iN00DLE> I see, WorkingOnWis1 , oh well so the plan is no plan until 2.22?
[02:09] <iN00DLE> that isn't happening before March I think
[02:09] <WorkingOnWis1> March! that sucks....sooo close but sooooooooooo far!
[02:10] <WorkingOnWis1> all will be right with the world when I can sync gmail contacts and calendar with Evolution.  :)
[02:10] <DanaG> s/Evolution/Thunderbird for me.
[02:10] <iN00DLE> no, cause by then google will have unveiled something more bleeding edge that you simply must have, WorkingOnWis1
[02:11] <DanaG> oops, lost a '/'.
[02:13] <WorkingOnWis1> iN00DLE: hahaha...
[04:03] <jtt> hew
[04:23]  * DanaG wonders if it's possible to create an ubuntu base system (not desktop) VM, and then install ubuntu-mobile metapackage and have it work.
[04:27] <WorkingOnWis1> is there any way to get flash working in either ff2 or 3?
[04:57] <ant1> Hello, I'm using Hardy Alpha2, I got a Broadcomm wireless adapter, when I boot I get 2 interfaces eth1 & wlan0_rename
[04:58] <ionstorm> im using envy for my nvidia, if I upgrade to heron will I have problems?
[04:58] <ionstorm> when should I remove the driver before upgrading?
[04:59] <ant1> eth1      Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr 00-1A-73-52-61-0F-F9-A1-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
[04:59] <ant1> wlan0_rename Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1a:73:52:61:0f
[04:59] <ant1> and NetworkManager can't connect using either of them (although I can see a list of Access points), so I got to setup the connection manually
[05:01] <ant1> anyone knows a solution for this ?
[05:02] <DanaG> ARgh, I keep seeing the tracker-applet magnifying glass and thinking it's Pidgin's "new message" indicator.
[05:02] <DanaG> It's quite irritating and distracting.
[05:08] <ionstorm> ant1,
[05:08] <ionstorm> is that a wifi or ethernet card
[05:08] <ionstorm> looks like an ethernet
[05:09] <ionstorm> could be a problem with compatibility
[05:10] <ant1> ionstorm: wifi
[05:10] <ionstorm> ah ic
[05:11] <ant1> ionstorm: the ethernet is fine
[05:11] <ionstorm> what chipset or brand
[05:11] <ionstorm> is it ralink?
[05:11] <ionstorm> if it is I had the same problem
[05:14] <ant1> ionstorm: Broadcomm
[05:14] <ionstorm> ouch
[05:14] <ionstorm> using ndiswrapper?
[05:14] <ionstorm> broadcomm cards arent well supported in ubuntu yet
[05:14] <ant1> 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11a/b/g (rev 01)
[05:14] <ionstorm> so you will need to set it up with ndiswrapper
[05:15] <ant1> ionstorm: no, I tried those: bcm43xx (was working well on Gutsy i386) & b43 (worked well on Hardy i386 live)
[05:15] <ant1> ionstorm: now I am running Hardy amd64
[05:17] <ionstorm> ah, u'll need a 64 bit driver
[05:17] <ant1> ionstorm: I am using 64-bit driver I suppose
[05:18] <ant1> ionstorm: btw, as I mentioned, I can connect to wireless access point if I do it manually (using iwconfig & dhclient), the problem is that NetworkManager can't handle it !
[05:18] <ionstorm> ah dont use it
[05:18] <ionstorm> use /etc/network/interfaces
[05:20] <ant1> ionstorm: how ?
[05:20] <ant1> ionstorm: and is that a correct solution ? isn't it better to let NM handle it ?
[05:20] <ionstorm> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202834
[05:21] <ionstorm> network manager sucks
[05:23] <ionstorm> once u get the interfaces file setup correctly, just set it and forget it
[05:25] <ant1> ionstorm: but it won't be roaming anymore
[05:25] <ant1> ionstorm: or could it ?
[05:25] <ionstorm> ah
[05:25] <ionstorm> use wifi-radar
[05:25] <ant1> oh
[05:25] <ionstorm> sudo apt-get install wifi-radar
[05:26] <ant1> ok, why is the wifi card name wlan0_rename instead of wlan0 ?
[05:26] <ant1> btw, where did the iftab go ?
[05:57] <alka_trash> how is the latest and greatest?
[05:58] <alka_trash> I'm really excited for Hardy, I hope ATI pulls its head out in time for the release
[05:59] <alka_trash> so any word on NetworkManager 7.0 for Hardy?
[06:05]  * DanaG hopes that by summertime (northern hemisphere), ATI's drivers (either closed-source or open-source) will have become better than nvidia's.
[06:30] <ionstorm> !hardy
[06:30] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[06:30] <bderrly> does anyone know why there the `lint' package is not in the repos?
[06:32] <ionstorm> anyone here running hardy
[06:32] <ant1> ionstorm: me
[06:32] <ionstorm> ant1, how is it
[06:32] <ionstorm> compared to gutsy
[06:34] <ant1> ionstorm: alright, actually I can't judge, because I am testing amd64 version of hardy, in gutsy I use i386
[06:34] <ant1> ionstorm: but I noticed that an MMC reader bug is fixed
[06:37] <ant1> ionstorm: and I got that wlan0_rename problem !
[06:37] <DanaG> is 31:01:00:00:00:00 a valid MAC address?
[06:37] <DanaG> I have a USB ethernet adapter (that I've handed to my VM) that has that address.
[06:37] <ionstorm> no
[06:37] <DanaG> Oddly, my router doesn't reject it.
[06:37] <ionstorm> weird
[06:37] <ionstorm> must not have a database of addresses
[06:38] <ionstorm> or rules set
[06:38] <DanaG> It's a dd-wrt-ed Buffalo WHR-G125 (which has now been banned from sale in the USA.... ARGH!).
[06:38] <DanaG> It uses dnsmasq as the DHCP and DNS server.  Mighty handy for bogus-nxdomain.
[06:39] <ionstorm> why is it banned
[06:40] <DanaG> Correction: it's 30:01, not 31:01.
[06:40] <DanaG> http://www.buffalotech.com/press/releases/buffalo-issues-a-statement-about-the-csiro-appeal/
[06:41] <DanaG> Anyway, it's off-topic now... but it is still interesting to have a VM with a real network device.
[06:41] <DanaG> router<->host real interface<->guest virtual interface<->guest real interface<->router
[07:29] <slytherin> is rhythmbox crashing for anyone?
[07:56] <SeveredCross> DanaG, isn't Buffalo just rebranded Linksys?
[07:56] <SeveredCross> (That's what I've been told by people who are more hardware savvy than I)
[08:03] <DanaG> Nope.  Same hardware, but that's due to both using the same chipsets, not due to one rebranding the other.
[08:06] <Madpilot> hey all - anyone else find alpha2's add/remove really unstable?
[08:09] <Amaranth> i never use add/remove
[08:10] <Madpilot> try it - if it falls over every 30 seconds, it's the bug I was seeing, If it doesn't, it was just the LiveCD I was messing with...
[08:12] <Amaranth> i'm in windows
[08:12] <Madpilot> poor you
[08:17]  * DanaG uses Aptitude somewhere around 99% of the time.
[09:42] <Ziroday> Is there any pulse audio configuration managers installed by default?
[09:46] <DanaG> Not by default (which is kinda' silly -- why bother with PulseAudio if you aren't going to give access to all the features?)
[09:47] <Ziroday> oh good so im not being an idiot, thought i was missing something
[09:50] <Ziroday> Also when will the new theme be decided
[10:08] <vlazar> hey
[10:08] <vlazar> the latest kernel does not have drivers for the ipw3945 card
[10:08] <vlazar> any easy way to install them myself?
[10:12] <BHSPitLappy> I'd probably takes the lazy way out and see if ndisgtk would work
[10:12] <BHSPitLappy> but I'm so lazy
[10:12] <vlazar> i will take the even lazier way: use older working kernel
[10:12] <vlazar> :D
[10:12] <BHSPitLappy> heh
[10:12] <BHSPitLappy> that's less lazy
[10:12] <BHSPitLappy> you have to reboot
[10:12] <vlazar> lool
[10:12] <vlazar> its a laptop anyways :D
[10:13] <vlazar> so it sees tons of reboots anyways
[10:13] <BHSPitLappy> this laptop has been on for a week
[10:13] <vlazar> mine hangs during hibernate 1/3
[10:13] <BHSPitLappy> hmm 6 days 14 hours
[10:14] <vlazar> plus it has 2 video cards: intel for endurance and nvidia for performance
[10:14] <vlazar> gotta reboot to switch
[10:23] <darkghost2> ubuntu or pardus
[10:23] <darkghost2> ubuntu or pardus
[10:23] <darkghost2> ubuntu or pardus
[10:23] <darkghost2> ubuntu or pardus
[10:23] <darkghost2> ubuntu or pardus
[10:23] <darkghost2> ubuntu or pardus
[10:23] <darkghost2> ubuntu or pardus
[10:23] <darkghost2> ubuntu or pardus
[10:23] <darkghost2> ubuntu or pardus
[10:26] <vlazar> darkghost2, huh?
[10:26] <darkghost2> I have a pardus
[10:27] <vlazar> rite
[10:39] <DanaG> Oh yeah, look into iwl3945.
[10:39] <DanaG> That's there in the .24 kernel.
[10:42] <xst> Now that xorg7.3 is being used in Hardy, will it then finally be possible to connect an external monitor to my laptop and obtain an "extended desktop" (i.e. not a desktop clone) without having to manually edit xorg.conf? In Gutsy, doing this is practically impossible for non-geeks. :-(
[10:44] <DanaG> Odd: I hit my 'hotkey display switch' hotkey, and gnome-settings-daemon crashed.
[10:53] <DanaG> Aah, it's perhaps crashing on the xf86display key.
[10:54] <DanaG> ** ERROR **: file gnome-settings-multimedia-keys.c: line 749 (do_action): should not be reached
[11:05] <vlazar> with the risk of starting a heated debate: what you think of reiserFS as for the booting device?
[13:35] <dbmoodb> !!
[13:35] <dbmoodb> !bot
[13:35] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[13:36] <dbmoodb> ah
[13:36] <dbmoodb> !stupid
[13:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stupid - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:36] <dbmoodb> :)
[13:36] <IdleOne> !botabuse | dbmoodb
[13:36] <ubotu> dbmoodb: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[13:36] <dbmoodb> oh ssh
[13:39] <dbmoodb> !debian owns you
[13:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about debian owns you - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:39] <dbmoodb> damn right
[13:40] <dbmoodb> ubuntu comes from debian --> debian owned --> ubuntu (freedom)
[13:40]  * dbmoodb  ahahaha but .debs remain ahahahaah - runs
[13:42] <IdleOne> what a tool
[13:43] <IdleOne> a chicken poop tool at that
[15:00] <slytherin> is rhythmbox crashing for anyone?
[15:42] <hwilde> what is that package provides command ?    i am drawing a blank here
[15:42] <slytherin> hwilde: Can you please make your question more clear?
[15:43] <hwilde> I thought there was a command maybe with ubotu to find out what package provides a certain file
[15:43] <hwilde> I thought it was like    !package provides dos2unix
[15:43] <hwilde> would return tofrodos
[15:43] <slytherin> !help
[15:43] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[15:44] <hwilde> !find dos2unix
[15:44] <ubotu> Package/file dos2unix does not exist in hardy
[15:45] <hwilde> maybe I am thinking of a different distro
[15:45] <slytherin> hwilde: are you looking for something specific?
[15:46] <nanonyme> probably something that converts end of lines
[15:46] <nanonyme> \r\n -> \n
[15:46] <slytherin> nanonyme: He already know he needs to install tofrodos
[15:46] <nanonyme> ah
[15:46] <slytherin> may be he is looking for something else
[15:47] <nanonyme> oh
[15:47] <nanonyme> just read backwards
[15:47] <nanonyme> so the point was to do contents search on packages?
[15:48] <hwilde> point is,   how do I find out what package provides dos2unix
[15:49] <hwilde> the answer is tofrodos
[15:49] <hit> hi, cannot install alpha 2, hangs in step 2
[15:49] <hwilde> but I thought there was a way to query maybe with ubotu to get the package as the answer, given the filename you are searching for
[15:49] <hwilde> I thought you could just type in    !package provides dos2unix
[15:49] <hwilde> and ubotu would tell you tofrodos
[15:49] <hit> select language, click forward and nothing
[15:50] <nanonyme> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots#head-ca137c9f6332911ce1aabfa2626a465b752030b7 seems it can't do that
[16:01] <IdleOne> !find dos2unix
[16:01] <ubotu> Package/file dos2unix does not exist in hardy
[16:01] <IdleOne> !search dos2unix
[16:01] <ubotu> Found:
[16:01] <IdleOne> hmmm that command doesnt work
[16:03] <slytherin> hwilde: dos2unix is a symlink to fromdos, that might be the reason ubotu doesn't know about it
[17:20] <nickwinl> Howdy, I'm running alpha 2. question: I have an optical usb belkin mouse that causes the menus and windows to move around randomly without me doing anything. Recently, when I ran Applications -> Add/Remove... I get a popup message about "Could not grab your mouse" and malicious client may be eavesdroping on my session. Is this the mouse itself or the port somehow interfering with gtk+, glib or glade operations?
[17:23] <nickwinl> I compiled a new kernel, checked /var/log/messages and of course adjusted the response time in System -> Preferences -> Mouse. The mouse port still behaves erratically.
[17:32] <Redhammer_the_Ol> hi I have a problem configuring DnS Server in Hardy, basically using GUI cannot set it, where can I set the DNS server IP address manually
[17:32] <Redhammer_the_Ol> ie which file do I need to manually edit
[17:33] <Laney> /etc/resolv.conf
[17:33] <Redhammer_the_Ol> thank you,
[17:33] <Redhammer_the_Ol> bye
[17:33] <Pici> Or, if you are using dhcp and it keeps remo.... nevermind.
[17:34] <thomas> hi I just installed Kubuntu Hardy on my laptop and I want to upgrade it to KDE4, but I'm not sure exactly how
[17:35] <thomas> I tried aptitude install kde4 but it will delete all the KDE3 stuff..
[17:35] <thomas> from that announcement page it looks as if you can have both side by side
[17:41] <hydrogen> hardy is not supported here
[17:41] <hydrogen> my assumption however
[17:41] <hydrogen> is that they are not coinstallable in hardy
[17:41] <hydrogen> oh
[17:41] <hydrogen> this is #ubuntu+1
[17:41] <hydrogen> my bad
[17:42]  * hydrogen looks at the channel name before commenting nex ttime
[17:42] <hydrogen> :)
[17:45] <nickwinl> Oh btw this mouse problem is happening in hardy, 7.10 and 7.04: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186941
[17:57] <nickwinl> A buddy of mine sez it's movement that gets transpositioned in the drag code, but I think it could be libhid too. I'll figure it out.
[18:00] <WorkingOnWis1> which java plugin works most stable in ff2?
[18:07] <WorkingOnWis1> is there still a need for chroot for 32bit stfuf like Real Player and 32bit Firefox, or is there a cleaner easier way in Hardy?
[19:55] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[19:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]
[19:56] <DanaG> The "ugly hack" is the only way I can maintain some semblance of sanity in brightness-changing.
[20:00] <greg-g> I don't have time to do much diagnosing right now, but is anyone else having problems viewing pdfs in evince?
[22:07] <WorkingOnWis1> anybody elses nvidia drivers broke after the last and kernel update?
[22:10] <scizzo-> WorkingOnWis1: define broken...
[22:12] <WorkingOnWis1> if i boot with the latest kernel (2.6.24-3) the nvidia drivers dont load. I boot from the 2.6.24-2 kernel, the drivers load fine
[22:12] <scizzo-> right so the latest latest updates
[22:12] <scizzo-> no I guess that the drivers are not yet compiled for that version yet
[22:13] <scizzo-> so the restricted modules are not loaded as intended
[22:13] <scizzo-> that is why I am waiting to see if there is a version coming out for that soon
[22:13] <WorkingOnWis1> I thought there was a dependency between the drivers and the kernel version?
[22:15] <scizzo-> to the restricted modules I belive
[22:15] <scizzo-> not to the kernel itself
[22:16] <scizzo-> and in my list the linux-restricted-modules-generic is marked out as in the fact they will not be installed yet
[22:16] <WorkingOnWis1> so I'll need to be sure in the future that if theres a kernel update, there is also a a driver update?
[22:16] <scizzo-> WorkingOnWis1: does: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[22:16] <scizzo-> tell you anything at all about packages not being installed?
[22:17] <scizzo-> the packages that is in the list not being installed is usually packages with dependency problems at the moment.....which might indicate that some packages are not yet completely fixed
[22:22] <WorkingOnWis1> this must be within the last hour. i got all the updates earlier....boy things change quick sometimes arount here!  :)
[22:22] <WorkingOnWis1> I do show the same dependency problems.
[22:23] <WorkingOnWis1> eh...nbd. It's stable still....just didnt expect the kernel to not wait for the driver module.
[22:24] <WorkingOnWis1> I'll have to be a little more cautions. next time it may not be as easy as picking an old kernel in grub....
[23:42] <scizzo-> evening Hobbsee
[23:43] <Hobbsee> hiya