[00:00] dget -x http://com/file.dsc [00:01] crimsun: i'll try it =) thanks for the tip [00:02] cyberix: you could just backport devscripts from edgy. [00:02] Already got it done by looking at the script [00:02] Thanks anyway [00:03] crimsun: Did you see my upload of libsdl? [00:05] StevenK: noted, yes. [00:05] I closed the associated bug yesterday. [00:06] Great. [00:06] thanks, BTW! [00:08] No problem, any time. :-) [00:09] ScottK: not sure if the key still needed syncing or not , so i'm running it now to be sure [00:09] ( just fyi ) [00:10] moins crimsun StevenK and all [00:10] 'lo imbrandon [00:11] TheMuso: i got an "broken" xbox -given- to me today , that i fixed by sodering the points and reflashing the TSOP , so soonish ( when i get time after work durring the week ) we'll have a "dev" xbox [00:11] :) [00:13] And for what? :-) [00:13] bddebian: the port of ubuntu to the xbox we;re working on :) [00:13] Hey imbrandon [00:13] port , not deriv [00:13] :) [00:14] imbrandon: Again, for what? :-) [00:14] bddebian: a $69 USD 733mhx workstation :) [00:14] or similar [00:14] oh, only to take over bddebian's house. Nothing more. [00:16] bddebian: we figured if the ps3 can get a cd rolled ( unsupported of course ) we can roll one for the xbox with only a few ( about 15 ) patches to the kernel and X ( both of witch will eventualy be upstream upstream ) [00:16] which* [00:16] :-) [00:16] crimsun: No xboxen in this house :-) [00:17] so really for minial work we can support the xbox, and the only other distro that does this is xebian ( debian deriv ) and its 2.4 kernel based [00:17] bddebian: no no, it's like X10, but you won't even see/hear it coming [00:18] crimsun: Ah :) [00:18] support == installing and questions awnserd on the forums etc etc etc when possible, you know, not canonical ( other than possible hosting the cd's on cdimage.u.c ) [00:18] hi! [00:18] have fun guys... cu [00:19] sides , theres something satisfying about installing linux/ubuntu on a MS product :) [00:19] Is this the place where to ask to re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring? :) [00:19] psicus78: i have one in progress, one moment [00:20] ahh infact it JUST finished [00:21] it's ok [00:44] . [00:48] (yes?) [00:49] imbrandon: Cool. Did you by chance see my message about apt-mirror? === tritium_ is now known as tritium [00:56] anybody around who is familiar with SbuildLVMHowto? [00:57] Sort of. [00:57] As in: I'm sort of around, and I'm sort of familiar with that howto :) [00:59] LaserJock: ^^ [01:00] do you need to have already set up LVM before running the script? [01:00] LaserJock: It's not going to create the LVM partitions for you. [01:00] That would be more than mildly dangerous. [01:01] that's what I was thinking [01:01] but there wasn't any instructions or links [01:01] So yes, you need to have a VG set up. [01:01] but down on the bottom under "Previous Instructions" there was some [01:02] 'It assumes a passing understanding of LVM, and having an available VG to work with.' [01:02] oh ... [01:02] darn ;-) [01:03] TheMuso: nope , i dont think so [01:03] was it on irc ? [01:03] and do you really need 5GB per chroot?! [01:03] LaserJock: Not really. [01:04] I use 3 normally. [01:04] OOo will want more, but you'd be silly to try to touch OOo. [01:05] # Allocate the "golden" chroot LV [01:05] sudo lvcreate -n "$CHROOT_LV" -L 5G "$VG" [01:05] I think if I run the script it's gonna give me 5GB [01:05] Modify the script, then :) [01:06] Note that there's no point having an initial chroot that's smaller than the snapshots. [01:07] imbrandon: Yes. [01:07] imbrandon: One sec, I'll see if I can dig it up. [01:07] TheMuso: then no , sorry i dident get it [01:07] ok [01:07] hmm, I just don't know how much space this is all gonna take [01:07] I have a 12GB partition [01:08] how much do I have to account for? [01:08] Oh dear. [01:08] imbrandon: I seem to be having a problem with apt-mirror. The error I get is: http://www.pastebin.ca/841988 My mirror.list file is: http://www.pastebin.ca/841990 [01:08] Where did you get a 12GB disk? [01:08] * imbrandon looks [01:08] Fujitsu: no, 12GB partition for sbuild/LVM [01:08] Ah, so your system isn't on LVM? [01:08] heck no [01:09] I dislike LVM [01:09] Why not? [01:09] Why? [01:09] it eats things [01:09] Never done so for me. [01:09] or rather my ability to control it causes me great pain ;-) [01:09] *inability [01:09] I just kept losing partitions and things [01:09] Heh. [01:10] I fell much better in general with have a nice big ext3 / [01:10] * TheMuso doesn't think he'll touch luks encryption for a while at least, after having his laptop battery die, and the whole root filesystem going caboom. [01:10] TheMuso: it seems to ( rightfully , i cant seem to get it manualy either ) getting a 404 on http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub2/ubuntu/ubuntu//dists/gutsy/multiverse/source/Sources.gz [01:11] i am getting a 404 error too [01:11] TheMuso: I have been running LVM on LUKS on my laptop for several months now. [01:11] imbrandon: change pub2 to pub [01:11] (and yes, the battery has died a couple of times, without ill effect) [01:11] pub2 is for internode customers only [01:11] so /pub/ubuntu/ubuntu works [01:11] s/works/should work/ [01:11] right that works [01:12] imbrandon: Note that this is apt-mirror from svn [01:12] Well I tried my config file with s/pub2/pub/ and got the same result. [01:13] Fujitsu: my pbuilders (5 different ones) only take up 400MB, are you telling me that'd take up 25GB with sbuild/LVM? [01:14] Fujitsu: Hrm interesting. [01:14] I'm sure there must be a way to avoid that, but I haven't found it yet. [01:14] Funny how one experience like mine burns you. [01:14] TheMuso: I had to hard-reset it a couple of times a day for weeks too, while X was being dodgy in early Hardy. [01:14] Fujitsu: Right. [01:15] Good afternoon Hobbsee. [01:15] right, svn should be stableized ( just not tarred, 1.4.6 is whats current svn ) [01:15] hum, try to change your mirror.list to s/pub2/pub/ and see if it works [01:15] ( not a full run, once it gets past the preceed indexes is fine to tell if its gonna work ) [01:15] something strange might be going on with http headers or something, but it just uses normal wget [01:15] do you use a http proxy or anything ? [01:15] O_o [01:15] imbrandon can type quickly. [01:15] also it would be nice for internode to redirect non internode customers to pub/ :) [01:15] * Hobbsee waves [01:16] imbrandon: not afaik. If so, its transparent, but I doubt it since I'm within internode's network. [01:16] heya Hobbsee [01:16] hrm [01:16] LaserJock: Ideally, one should be able to create a snapshot of an LVM volume, and grow the snapshot of the volume. But I don't think LVM can do that at the moment. [01:16] Fujitsu: ?? [01:16] heh [01:16] imbrandon: I'm running it again now. [01:17] TheMuso: ok [01:17] imbrandon: 5 of your messages appeared at the same time. [01:17] if it fails again, try to just normaly run wget [01:17] * Fujitsu heads to lunch. [01:17] Fujitsu: ahh , i must have lagged [01:17] Fujitsu: so what's the advantage of sbuild/lvm again .... :-) [01:18] TheMuso: if it fails again , try to just run wget on the file it fails on , to soo if its a possible problem with wget and that mirror [01:18] s/soo/see [01:18] imbrandon: Yeah will do. [01:18] i am getting this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51031/ [01:19] on your box, or a chroot, or pbuilder [01:20] pbuilder [01:20] sorry [01:20] run "sudo pbuilder update" ( where pbuilder == how you normaly call pbuilder , e.g. pbuilder-dist hardy or pbuilder-hardy or pbuilder [01:20] ) [01:21] alrighty [01:21] :) [01:22] :) === Nightrose_ is now known as Nightrose [01:23] imbrandon: that did the trick :) [01:23] how often should pbuilder be updated? [01:24] I do it once a day that I'm working [01:24] Yeah once a day is good. I update my sbuild chroots once a day. [01:24] Vorian: i do it once a day or so, but it really depends on how new the packages in the archive you need are, its the equiv of running "apt-get update" localy [01:24] that makes sense [01:34] c [01:34] ugh [01:34] * TheMuso thinsk this keyboard needs replacing [01:35] well, I guess since I wiped out my 12GB partition I should at least give this sbuild thing a go [01:35] What does "Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}" actually do? [01:36] cyberix, replaces Depends: with all of the depends it detects during dh_makeshlibs [01:36] replaces ${shlibs:Depends} specifically [01:37] there's also ${misc:Depends} which you should add, but it's not yet used [01:39] imbrandon: One problem with apt-mirror is that it fails if a file can't be retrieved, however the way my mirror.list file is set up, its asking apt-mirror to check for paths that may not be there now, but could be there when packages get updated in the future. Any ideas? [01:39] SO for example, gutsy-updates/multiverse/debian-installer may not exist now, but if a package that places content in that dir gets updated in gutsy-updates, that path will exist. [01:39] nenolod: it is used [01:40] nenolod: misc:Depends is used by debhelper to insert and additional dependencies that come from the dh_* [01:40] So far, I'm thinking of going back to debmirror. [01:42] LaserJock: So which one should I prefer? [01:42] cyberix: prefer? [01:43] ${misc:Depends} is ok for dh_makeshlibs too as it falls into dh_* [01:43] So should I always use ${misc:Depends} then? [01:43] no, no [01:43] instead of ${shlibs:Depends}. [01:43] they are different things [01:43] ok [01:44] let me try to find an example [01:45] LaserJock, it is now? well, that's good. [01:45] nenolod: has been as long as I've been around I think [01:46] LaserJock, dpkg-buildpackage was warning about it being an unrecognised subst a few months ago [01:46] yes, that is correct [01:47] which lead me to believe it wasn't used yet ;) [01:47] it's used for debhelper, not dpkg [01:48] I think dh_gconf may be an example for misc:Depends [01:48] Oh. It is used only by some dh_* [01:48] basically, some dh_* scripts need additional dependencies [01:49] I think there are some more [01:49] ${shlibs:Depends} is for shared library dependancies, ${misc:Depends} is used for example, by debconf [01:49] dh_installdebconf will put debconf into ${misc:Depends} [01:49] dh_installdefoma same sort of thing [01:51] is there an easy way in bash to make all files in a dir have a lowercase ext [01:51] like mass rename .TXT to .txt [01:51] s/rename/mv [01:51] imbrandon: Install renameutils [01:51] k [01:52] imbrandon: Run 'qmv -f do' which drops you into vi with a filename on each line [01:52] Other than that: [01:52] killer, thanks [01:53] for i in * ; do j=$(echo $i | tr 'A-Z' 'a-z') ; mv "$i" "$j" ; done [01:54] /win 48 [01:54] Bah. [01:54] cool, thanks StevenK [01:55] btw it must use the default editor , because it was s/vi{,m}/nano [01:55] :) [01:55] It probably calls sensible-editor [01:55] Actually, nano shouldn't be in that list. :-P [01:55] * Fujitsu agrees with StevenK [01:56] hahah [01:56] * StevenK high fives Fujitsu [01:56] that for loop will do the whole filename wont it ? [01:56] It ought to [01:57] How is nano not sensible? [01:57] If it doesn't, use qmv [01:57] minghua: In many ways [01:58] no delete line [01:58] ^K [01:58] StevenK: Okay, I'm not arguing. But the best hacker I know in real life uses nano. [02:03] I'm looking after first advocate for my package malbolge. I've fixed all problems that have been brought up. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=malbolge [02:25] minghua: it's just seriously underpowered/underfeatured [02:27] is this the development team channel? [02:30] for Universe [02:30] hmm, sbuild wants to install exim4 :/ [02:32] LaserJock: You don't already have a mta? [02:40] RAOF: no [02:40] I don't like having mta's if I don't need them [02:40] Well, sbuild will want to email you the buildlogs. [02:41] but I don't want it to :-) [02:41] you don't need an mta [02:41] you can just have local delivery [02:41] seems odd that it'd be a dep and not a Recommends === cassidy_ is now known as cassidy [03:00] hmm, is there an easy way to see what provides m-t-a? [03:06] LaserJock: aptitude search "~Pm-t-a" [03:07] I just found synaptic has it :-) [03:07] * RAOF wanders through the monodevelop 0.18 dependency stack [03:11] hola everyone [03:11] I'm alive... I think :) [03:12] upgrading my macbook to Hardy at the moment for kicks [03:12] jdong: Heh have fun watching everything break. [03:12] oh my ;-) [03:12] :) [03:12] TheMuso: ooh what's scheduled to break? [03:12] other than the stuff I have scheduled ready to break :D [03:12] jdong: I don't know. [03:13] * jdong tries to play a quicktime mp4 [03:13] look at that, it still works [03:13] well... can't have that happening! [03:13] jdong: Thanks for reminding me. Wavpack playback has broken; I need to file that bug :) [03:13] lol [03:13] are we under any freezes yet or soon? [03:14] Alpha 3 freeze is either now or soon. [03:15] * jdong takes a look at that libmp4v2 stuff that he left off on... [03:26] grumble I hate circular dependencies [03:26] aye... [03:26] fuuuuuuuuuuck [03:27] would anyone cry if at this point I upload a new faac that may break AAC encoding in mencoder, avidemux, and/or gst-plugins-bad-multiverse till I upload rebuilds of those? :) [03:27] * bddebian wouldn't [03:27] nobody likes aac anyway right ;-) [03:28] I have been working on building newpki-client with wx2.6 for over a week now and there's all kinds of shit in my diff... :'-( [03:28] If you can get that all done by the alpha 3 freeze tomorrow... :) === bigon is now known as bigon` [03:29] lol well I'll wait for alpha3 to finish then, meanwhile I'll just re-test this build order locally... again. [03:30] I'm not sure I trust these tomboy notes dated on the 17th of december [03:33] I though universe/multiverse wouldn't be affected by alpha freezes? [03:33] thought* [03:34] Oh, yeah. We had this discussion before, didn't we. [03:35] * TheMuso won't be using hardy full-time till around the last alpha/beta. [03:35] Universe/multiverse will be free rain as usual. [03:37] Does anybody know if bazaar has already been proposed for backport? [03:39] persia: You about? [03:40] somerville32: Look for a bug in gutsy-backports [03:41] Anyone have a clue how I get rid of cruft from a diff that I don't even know how it got there? In almost every file I touched I'm getting the complete copyright statement re-generated [03:46] bddebian: You look for the script that is regenerating it. [03:47] Hmm, I think it's because the files were in MS-DOS format so had extra CR on them :_( [03:51] why do I get this error from soyuz ? i don't quite understand it :dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory [03:51] GRR fscking.... [03:52] bddebian, You can user filterdiff [03:53] yay lovely, that's why... libmp4v2 is removed from the archive [03:53] bddebian, or if the cruft is isolated, you can just remove it from the patch manually [03:53] Could i get a second advocation for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=hardware-connected (a program that checks whether given hardware is connected to the system, nice for scripting)? Thanks [03:55] LucidFox: hey sup? === bmk789 is now known as bmk789_sleep [04:00] oooooh shiny new x264! [04:00] must upload crack! === cassidy_ is now known as cassidy [04:01] somerville32: Unfortunately I don't know what showed up :-( [04:01] Isn't there some utility to strip carraige returns from files? [04:01] bddebian, Can you pastebin your diff? [04:02] It would be HUGE :-) [04:05] Help to increase the amount of public domain in Ubuntu. Review my package malbolge, now! Right here on R-E-V-U. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=malbolge [04:06] Enough syrup in my speech? [04:07] Public domain isn't always good. [04:07] Aha, dos2unix saves the day!! [04:07] jdong> I was wondering about mpeg4ip [04:07] LucidFox: uploaded 7 seconds ago [04:08] Ooh. [04:08] Awesome. [04:08] :) [04:09] now I'm wrangling faac then going to queue rebuilds of the libmp4v2-0 dep chain [04:10] Fujitsu: The software or the "license" (or lack of it) [04:14] cyberix> I think it's better to add a disclaimer for legislatures with no concept of public domain [04:14] like Wikipedia does [04:15] " [04:15] I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby release it into the public domain. This applies worldwide. [04:15] In case this is not legally possible, [04:15] I grant any entity the right to use this work for any purpose, without any conditions, unless such conditions are required by law. [04:15] " [04:16] But I'm not the copyright holder of all the stuff in the package. [04:16] Ah. Sorry then. [04:20] And using multiple licenses would be far too complicated. [04:21] Of course I might have the right to "relicense" it because it is public domain. [04:21] But then again I'd ask a US citizen to do that. [04:21] And then again the spirit is what matter most. [04:22] cyberix> You don't need to. [04:22] I'm way too technical to work with these concepts anyway. [04:22] And now we'll have to wait until mpeg4ip passes NEW... *sigh* [04:24] LucidFox: yep :) [04:24] LucidFox: then I got another mpeg4ip I need to upload after the first one and faac build. [04:25] LucidFox: had a circular uninstallable chain, the mpeg4ip I uploaded is crippled faac-less, which frankly I don't think all but 3 people on the planet care. [04:25] lol but oh well I keep everyone happy ;-) [04:25] * cyberix found speed-game (currently in revu) to be lots of fun. [04:27] On the plus side, it will finally be possible to get rid of gtkpod-aac patches. [04:28] LucidFox: yep, that's what I'm currently removing :) [04:29] In 0.99.12, I hope? ;) [04:29] LucidFox: did debian release the new one? [04:29] ep I see it [04:30] grumble well merge time :) [04:30] LucidFox: you wanna do it? :D [04:30] I feel like catching up on some sleep tonight ;-) [04:31] Well, I have already uploaded an interdiff for 0.99.12, so I might as well remove the patches === brandonperry_ is now known as bperry [04:33] LucidFox: ah, awesome, looks like you've got that under control then [04:33] jdong! [04:33] looks like just exfalso needs rebuilding then [04:33] Vorian! [04:33] welcome back [04:34] thanks, doing laundry tonight and got bored [04:34] otherwise I was ENJOYING my VACATION.... [04:34] * Fujitsu sends jdong away again. [04:34] heh [04:35] ok, looks like I've hit a dead end for the night, time to wait for FTBFS-mail :D [04:35] oh wait libx264 is asking to be broken [04:54] ok, x264 is all happy now [04:54] snoozing time [04:56] Night jdong. [04:57] night Fujitsu [05:12] I don't suppose I could interest anybody in some grub recovery help? [05:12] I'm trying to reinstall grub by chrooting off the LiveCD [05:12] but grub-install is not working [05:12] What is the problem? [05:12] !doesn't work [05:12] Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too. [05:13] I love that factoid. [05:13] * StevenK too [05:13] root@ubuntu:/# grub-install /dev/sda [05:13] Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. [05:13] hehe, that's funny [05:13] Have you bind-mounted /proc, /dev inside the chroot? [05:13] Fujitsu: yep [05:14] I can go to /boot and I see it in /dev [05:14] What about /sys? [05:14] I didn't bindmount /sys [05:14] I haven't historically needed /sys, I don't think, but you never know. [05:14] I've never had to do that before [05:14] I'm not quite sure how grub-install enumerates devices [05:14] Neither. [05:15] no go [05:15] can I tell it manually? [05:15] strace it? [05:15] Hmmm. [05:15] You might need to ask it to regenerate its maps. [05:16] Have you moved drives/partitions around? [05:16] just tried that [05:16] Fujitsu: nope [05:16] Remove /boot/grub/device.map ? [05:16] I think that's what it's called. [05:17] nada [05:17] grr, my wife needs some files :/ [05:18] stupid sbuild [05:18] sbuild doesn't eat boot records. [05:18] Neither does mk-sbuild-lv. [05:18] Carbon unit problem? === bigon` is now known as bigon [05:23] Fujitsu: no, but the partition I wiped to do it had my previous grub install [05:23] ok, so in grub running find /boot/grub/stage1 says it can't find the file [05:26] man, I'd really hate to have to re-install this laptop :( [05:28] Er, why would you consider reinstalling? [05:28] Does /boot contain the appropriate GRUB files? [05:28] yep [05:29] Fujitsu: well, I can't boot [05:29] I'm getting off what I need for now via LiveCD [05:29] What was on the partition? Just the boot sector? [05:30] I have a separate partition for /boot [05:31] You copied all the stuff from there to /boot on your root partition before obliterating it? [05:31] no, I didn't obliterate /boot [05:32] I had an openSUSE install on another partition [05:32] and of course it installed it's grub [05:32] so today I wiped that out [05:32] I think I may have just gotten it [05:32] I started up grub itself [05:32] and ran: [05:32] root (hd0,2) [05:32] setup (hd0) [05:33] and it said it worked [05:33] Aha, good. [05:33] ok, rebooting [05:33] * Fujitsu shakes his head in dismay. [05:34] One probably shouldn't consider reinstalling because the bootloader is broken. [05:34] man-di: hello, how's the icedtea package ? [05:44] man-di: I got bad news, I just installed icedtea-java7-jre on my system, when I attemped to run JOSM, it crashed [05:47] Hello, I was building one of my packages under hardy amd64 using pbuilder, and I got this: http://pastebin.com/m461bd24 [05:51] hey persia [05:52] you mentioned on my package that "15) uscan --report-status reports no matching files, which is often an indication that the watch file doesn’t work properly." i just ran it again, it returns up-to date for me... can you try it again? [05:56] where can i find the information on the policy change in debian/menu in hardy? [05:59] jscinoz> sudo apt-get install menu [05:59] :) [05:59] the Hardy version, of course [05:59] how would i get the hardy version rather than the gutsy version (im assuming it'll ge the one for the dist im currently on) [06:00] Well, you can download the source package [06:00] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menu/2.1.36 [06:02] thanks [06:03] Hello, I was building one of my packages under hardy amd64 using pbuilder, and I got this: http://pastebin.com/m461bd24 , can anyone help on this ? I'm pretty sure that there's nothing wrong with the package because Debian has an amd64 binary for it [06:03] sorry about all the Soyuz questions,but is there a way to find the build log of your project if it never shows up (it publishes, but never comes up with a deb package ) [06:04] actually Ubuntu too has and amd64 binary for it [06:04] http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/misc/acon [06:05]