[01:08] <DrDerek> ah, LjL
[01:09] <LjL> yes?
[01:09] <DrDerek> I understand the rules more now, before I wasn't thinking I was going to be as much as a regular at offtopic as I thought I would be,I guess my excuse for shinanigans -- but, how much longer is my banishment til?
[01:09] <DrDerek> <- Kagar, btw
[01:11] <LjL> DrDerek: hold on a second, you're saying you felt you could ignore the rules because you weren't going to become a regular "so who cares"?
[01:14] <DrDerek> eh, not so much, but kinda -- back when I first started getting in trouble -- but recently I've met a lot of friends from offtopic, and I want to make amends. I know I push it a lot, but I've gotten better at keeping it down, and now that I know the punishments really do suck, I'm not going to do it again..as cliche as it sounds..
[01:15] <LjL> DrDerek: i'd rather you understood why the rules are there and how even someone who isn't [going to be] a "regular" should respect them.
[01:16] <LjL> when i go to a foreign country, i don't disregard the rules just because i'm getting back home before they can fine me
[01:16] <DrDerek> hmm, good point.
[01:16] <LjL> anyway, it's been a month, so i guess i'll unban you anyway, needless to say, any further misbehavior will result in a very, long, ban.
[01:17] <DrDerek> I appreciate it, and you won't hear any more negative reports
[01:24] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[01:24] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[01:24] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[01:25] <LjL> ahaha
[01:25] <LjL> bots kicked amaranth :>
[01:25] <Amaranth> wha?
[01:25] <elkbuntu> and missed elder
[01:25] <Amaranth> oh, stupid router
[01:25] <LjL> yeah, i'm looking as to why elder was missed
[01:25] <elkbuntu> ah, no they didnt
[01:26] <LjL> oh right.
[01:26] <elkbuntu> it just looks like it at a glance
[01:26] <LjL> that's a bug though
[01:27] <LjL> Amaranth: test you? :)
[01:28] <Amaranth> no no, i'm good
[01:28] <Amaranth> just trying to remember the unban command
[01:28] <Amaranth> i'm on windows
[01:28] <desertc> *wave*
[01:28] <LjL> i think you were surprised that it was "unban" :P
[01:28] <Amaranth> i got no feedback from it
[01:28] <Amaranth> weird
[01:29] <LjL> should get a NOTICE
[01:29] <Amaranth> oh it's going to #python
[01:29] <Amaranth> stupid xchat
[01:29] <Amaranth> i need to get python installed so i can get chanserv.py going again
[01:30] <stdin> it's just /mode #ubuntu -b Amaranth!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic
[01:31] <LjL> desertc: can we help you?
[01:31] <elkbuntu> desertc, if you're here for something, you need to let us know. we dont read minds
[01:31] <Amaranth> stdin: yeah yeah
[01:31] <Amaranth> i'm spoiled, chanserv.py does it for me automatically
[01:31] <desertc> LjL: nalioth asked me to pop in here
[01:31] <nalioth> desertc: please explain why
[01:32] <desertc> Because I am seeking assistance with my ubuntu freenode cloak
[01:32] <LjL> desertc: i.e. you would like one?
[01:32] <desertc> I would like one.
[01:32] <LjL> desertc: make sure that you have a valid email address set on your nickname (it can be set as private, /msg nickserv help set)
[01:33] <elkbuntu> desertc, try: may i please have an ubuntu cloak <insert LP url here>
[01:33] <desertc> It is set.
[01:33] <LjL> desertc: also, can you confirm that https://launchpad.net/~matthew-t-craig is your launchpad URL?
[01:33] <desertc> Yes, this is my launchpad URL
[01:33] <LjL> desertc: you should probably add your IRC nickname to there
[01:33] <desertc> Okay
[01:36] <nalioth> why are we giving information that desertc should be giving us?
[01:37] <elkbuntu> nalioth, i dont know. i even asked for the information
[01:39] <elkbuntu> desertc, is there anything else that you need done?
[01:39] <elkbuntu> if not, refer to /topic
[01:50] <nalioth> desertc: your cloak will be enabled within the next few hours  :)
[01:50] <desertc> Thank you for your assistance.
[01:53] <ardchoille> stdin: Apparently vit_* didn't learn after being removed
[01:53] <stdin> that's why I put the ban on vit_*!*@*, that should allow vit and vit_ but not vit____....
[01:54] <stdin> that's what I think anyway :p
[01:54] <ardchoille> Yeah, that's seems to be the best thing to do
[01:55] <ardchoille> Too bad some folks can't take a hint after a /quote remove
[01:56] <stdin> I don't even know if he's at any of those sessions, all from different IPs
[01:56] <stdin> but the ban should be a good hint
[01:57] <ardchoille> yeah
[02:46] <tonyyarusso> %login
[02:46] <ubotu> OK
[03:17] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, WooD said: ubotu: this is a freslly new installed system. I have not been able yet to see the screen logon
[03:18] <tonyyarusso> !bot > wood
[03:28] <gandhii> changed port to 8001..  still not working.  what gives?
[03:38] <elkbuntu> because we have to manually test you then manually lift the ban
[03:41] <elkbuntu> you pass
[03:42] <elkbuntu> gandhii, you're now unbanned
[03:50] <Madpilot> Dog, #u is a gong show...
[03:52] <gandhii> thanks
[04:14] <fiberoptic> hi you guys some one from this server has been spamming us at irc.rizon.net please come to #services there to discuss this matter
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> clearly that looks like a user to take seriously..
[04:23] <jdong> yeah I know, his username lets us know where his priorities are!
[05:20] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (Manuel_Rodriguez)
[05:21] <nalioth> klined
[05:21] <nalioth> serial troll
[10:32] <jussi01> fdoving: whats your thoughts on that guy in #k ??
[10:46] <ardchoille> Do bans/removes/kicks not het logged to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ ?
[10:47] <jpatrick> no (I think), but the bot logs them
[10:48] <ardchoille> How do I access the bot's logs wrt those actions?
[10:58] <fdoving> doesn't the bantracker track those?
[10:58] <jussi01> fdoving: ardchoille and I dont have bt access
[10:58] <fdoving> ok.
[10:58] <jpatrick> jussi01: /msg ubotu %btlogin
[11:00] <jussi01> jpatrick: been there - no access.
[11:00] <jpatrick> jussi01: /msg ubotu %login - then?
[11:01] <jussi01> jpatrick: until we gain admission to the ubuntu-irc team then no access to the bot. (afaik)
[11:01] <jpatrick> jussi01: you're not in and have + ?
[11:02] <jussi01> yeah, thats correct.
[11:04] <jussi01> jpatrick: its a bit weird, but the famous dutchman did it... ;)
[11:06] <ardchoille> famous dutchman?
[11:08] <jussi01> jpatrick: do you have that scripted?
[11:08] <jpatrick> jussi01: what scripted?
[11:09] <jussi01> ban forwarding
[11:09] <jpatrick> nop
[11:09] <jussi01> ok
[11:09]  * jussi01 wouldnt mind a nice banforward script
[11:10] <jpatrick> good old /mode +b *!*@foo!##windows
[11:11] <jussi01> :)
[11:11] <jpatrick> jussi01: have you looked at an irssi script source?
[11:12] <jussi01> jpatrick: Ive seen them, but they dont make too much sense to me... Id love an addition to auto_bleh.pl
[11:12] <jpatrick> jussi01: then you why I don't code in Perl
[11:12] <jussi01> jpatrick: my perl is not the best... (ie. doesnt exist)
[11:12] <jussi01> LOL
[11:13] <jpatrick> I've tried and failed
[11:13] <jussi01> jpatrick: I dont code... much
[11:14] <ardchoille> jussi01: I bet banforwarding could easily be written into auto_bleh
[11:14] <jussi01> ardchoille: Im sure it could. just I dont have the skill to do it...
[11:15] <jpatrick> jussi01: I code at lot, just can't get round perl
[11:16] <jpatrick> where's this auto_bleh?
[11:17] <jussi01> jpatrick: I think its the irssi.org site...
[11:17] <jussi01> nope,
[11:18] <jpatrick> I can't find it there
[11:18] <jussi01> someone in here gave me a link...
[11:18] <jpatrick> found it
[11:19] <jussi01> :)
[11:21] <ardchoille> Hmm.. I think I found a bug in auto_bleh: lines 33 and 36
[11:22] <ardchoille> Line 36 should be "abkn" instead of "abk"?
[11:22] <ardchoille> sorry, 34 and 36
[11:22] <jpatrick> good point
[11:23] <crdlb> if only there were python bindings :/
[11:23] <jpatrick> crdlb: that's 1 reason why I prefer weechat
[11:24] <jpatrick> Python/Ruby/Lua/Perl
[11:25] <ardchoille> I think I could add banforwarding to auto_bleh if I just knew how to pass the forward channel to auto_bleh
[11:26] <ardchoille> btw, what is amb and amr?
[11:27] <crdlb> multi I think?
[11:27] <jpatrick> ardchoille: line 137 would be your best bet
[11:28] <ardchoille> jpatrick: My line 137 is blank. Was that what you meant?
[11:29] <jpatrick> $hostname =~ s/.+\@//;
[11:30] <jpatrick> or after that add: $hostname =~ "!#ubuntu-ops";
[11:30] <ardchoille> Hmm.. maybe it isn't as easy as I thought :)
[11:31] <jpatrick> ^that could do it :)
[11:32] <ardchoille> so  s|$hostname =~ s/.+\@//|$hostname =~ "!#ubuntu-ops"|  ?
[11:32] <jpatrick> no, new line
[11:32] <ardchoille> ah
[11:32] <jpatrick> right after it, which command should I do to test?
[11:34] <ardchoille> Hmm.. that would tell auto_bleh about the forwarding channel, but what about the command, /abf?
[11:35] <jpatrick> that's what I want to it
[11:35] <jpatrick> know*
[11:35] <ardchoille> Gonna have to write that into %command_bindings and a "sub cmd_abf"
[11:37] <jpatrick> ardchoille: basically we've made every ban forward to: "!#ubuntu-ops"
[11:37] <ardchoille> Yeah
[11:38]  * jussi01 hugs ardchoille 
[11:38] <ardchoille> :)
[11:39] <jpatrick> what about me? :(
[11:39] <jpatrick> ;)
[11:39]  * ardchoille hugs back, of course :)
[11:39]  * jussi01 hands jpatrick a nice whiskey ;)
[11:39] <ardchoille> Hmm.. I think I'll leave this to a perl coder
[11:40] <jpatrick> ardchoille: ok, that did not work (I think)
[11:41] <jpatrick> yep, leave it to the perl guys
[11:42] <ardchoille> Yeah, we can always /csop and do it manually
[13:15] <Pici> cari_teman_FS: How can we help you this morning?
[14:06] <ubotu> In ubotu, shazoor said: what is a bot
[14:06] <jpatrick> !bot > shazoor
[14:12] <ikonia> jpatrick: how does that work ?
[14:12] <Pici> hmm?
[14:12] <ikonia> jpatrick: shzoor is not in this channel,
[14:12] <ikonia> ahhh pm's are not channel specific
[14:12] <jpatrick> ikonia: it /msg's him
[14:12] <ikonia> ignore me
[14:12] <ikonia> I'm being dumb
[14:12] <ikonia> sorry, I'm thinking !something | user
[14:12] <ikonia> sorry, brain fade
[14:12] <Pici> It only matters if shzoor is not in any channels you are in. then it complains (or at least it used to)

[14:13] <Pici> But thats only an added precaution to prevent spamming.
[14:13] <ikonia>  as soon as I said it, I saw my own mistake
[14:19] <jpatrick> ikonia: we are only human :)
[14:21] <elkbuntu> jpatrick, speak for yourself :Þ
[14:22] <elkbuntu> some of us are superhuman, and those troll things are most certainly sub-human :Þ
[14:22] <jpatrick> -.-
[14:22] <LjL> elkbuntu: tell jpatrick about yourself
[14:23] <elkbuntu> !elkbuntu
[14:23] <ubotu> elkbuntu is cute
[14:23] <elkbuntu> there, done
[14:24] <LjL> !lies
[14:24] <ubotu> Mostly just statistics, but yeah.
[14:25] <elkbuntu> how would you know?
[14:25] <ikonia> elkbuntu: ubotu thinks highly of you
[14:26] <elkbuntu> LjL, how do we check who put the factoids in?
[14:26] <Pici> !-elkbuntu
[14:26] <ubotu> elkbuntu has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2006-10-20 17:12:46
[14:26] <LjL> elkbuntu: mostly you don't because that mechanism is messed up, but yeah pici said
[14:27] <Pici> It has who added them, but not who edited them last.
[14:27] <LjL> sometimes not even that
[14:27] <elkbuntu> !btw, how *do* you add an alias? i always fail
[14:27] <LjL> a is <alias> b?
[14:27] <Pici> !elk is <alias> elkbuntu
[14:27] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Pici
[14:27] <Pici> !forget elk
[14:27] <ubotu> I'll forget that, Pici
[14:27] <elkbuntu> ooooh
[14:27] <elkbuntu> thanks
 Factoid elk is <alias not found
[14:28] <Pici> I removed it
[14:29] <LjL> ubotwo is broken in many ways
[14:29] <elkbuntu> yeah i got it again
[14:29] <Pici> But ubotwo already means something else!
[14:30] <LjL> Pici: that would be if i put something before the is
[14:30] <Pici> I know ;)
[14:45] <Tm_T> elkbuntu <3
[14:45]  * Tm_T hides
[14:45]  * elkbuntu sets the ljl monster on Tm_T
[14:48] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: you are still <3
[14:49] <no0tic> <3 it seems an ice cream
[14:53] <ikonia> 3 ? I don't get that
[14:53] <jpatrick> ikonia: it's a heart
[14:54] <ikonia> ahhh
[14:54] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, nows not the right time to do that. i currently have two barely pubescent loco people infatuated with me :-/ it's um... rather awkward
[14:54] <Pici> Yes, it sounds awkward
[14:54] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: hmmmm, interesting, you should say that you look like me, and then show pic of mine
[14:55] <Pici> Theres always mnepto-k's picture....
[14:55] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: that will chase them off for good
[14:55] <Tm_T> Pici: that too
[14:55] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, i think it's the 'omg girl' reaction and it wouldnt matter how old or ugly i was
[14:55] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: believe me, my pic will do the trick
[14:56] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: or you believe they would like a bearded lady?
[14:56] <ikonia> infatuation huh, you must have a good effect on them
[14:57] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, one of them has seen me talk, so it would fail on him anyway, then he'd tell the other :(
[14:58] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: sith's spit, plan b, you shave your beard daily!
[14:59] <elkbuntu> hehe
[14:59] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: that works for me
[14:59] <elkbuntu> you gotta show me this pic
[14:59] <Tm_T> well, people don't believe me, but still
[14:59] <Tm_T> I'll try to find some good one, not too shocky
[15:00] <ikonia> Tm_T: I'd love to see a pic, nice to see who I'm chatting with
[15:01] <Tm_T> ikonia: and you can prove I'm on that pic, or that pic is recent, or...
[15:01] <ikonia> not at all
[15:01] <Tm_T> ;)
[15:01] <ikonia> I'd trust you to post a real pick
[15:01] <ikonia> pic
[15:01] <elkbuntu> ikonia, she's showing me her 'scare off the guys asking for a pic' pic
[15:02] <Tm_T> well that one is real
[15:03] <ikonia> is Tm_T a girl ?
[15:04] <ikonia> Tm_T: I apologise, I always thought your nick was a male nick
[15:04] <elkbuntu> its not exactly a gendered nick
[15:05] <elkbuntu> anyway, im heading to bed, gnite
[15:05] <Tm_T> I'm what I am
[15:05] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temps-01.jpg
[15:06]  * Tm_T is a pretty old girl, yes he is
[15:07] <elkbuntu> hehe
[15:09] <elkbuntu> ikonia, sorry, it was just too funny to resist
[15:09] <ikonia> Tm_T: elkbuntu was right your nick is genderless
[15:09] <ikonia> elkbuntu: not at all
[15:09] <ikonia> elkbuntu: I can take it
[15:09] <ikonia> never hurts to realise that the mental picture you have of people may not be who they are
[15:09] <Tm_T> well you never really know me without living with me
[15:10] <Tm_T> because none of "pictures" will tell the real me
[15:11] <Tm_T> not that they would lie actually, but, you cant assume much
[15:12] <ikonia> Tm_T: I meant vistually, eg: the way someone talks, the nick, the topics they chat about, you get mental pictures
[15:12] <Tm_T> I know
[15:12] <Tm_T> in my case, that does lead you the wrong way badly
[15:12] <ikonia> when elkbuntu said you where "she" it threw men
[15:12] <ikonia> me
[15:13] <Tm_T> well I talk myself as a woman often
[15:13] <Tm_T> and why not
[15:13] <ikonia> thats fine
[15:13] <ikonia> just to me back
[15:14] <ikonia> took
[15:15] <Tm_T> learn to ignore gender
[15:15] <Tm_T> it matter not
[15:15] <ikonia> no, it does not matter
[15:15] <ikonia> just odd when you have a mental picture of someone and it turns out not what you thought
[15:15] <ikonia> ammusing and a nice surprise in some ways
[15:15] <Tm_T> true
[15:16] <Tm_T> ikonia: to tell the truth, I was pretty much "a man" back in 30's but then I grew out of it
[15:17] <Tm_T> in my age, well, everything than life and thoughts and feelings itself are meaningless
[15:17] <ikonia> ha ha ha, best response I've heard in ages
[15:18] <Tm_T> ikonia: sometimes truth is
[15:18] <ikonia> yup
[15:18] <ikonia> it's nice to have a face to you though now
[15:19] <Tm_T> well that's without my grey beard I'm having now, but yes
[15:19] <ikonia> still nice to see
[15:19] <ikonia> I've seen few people now, so it's nice to have a mental picture thats a bit more accurate
[15:20] <ikonia> it certainly doesn't matter, just nice
[16:34] <Pici> I dont even know what that means.
[16:34] <PriceChild> Pici, hmm?
 !Vagina Gentium
[16:35] <ikonia> Pici: he's named a disk that
[16:35] <Pici> Weird.
[16:35] <ikonia> Pici: he comes in asking how to mount it as a weak excuse to keep saying Vagina
[16:35] <PriceChild> oh for crying out loud
[16:35] <PriceChild> not them again?!
[16:35] <ikonia> he's been in for days
[16:35] <Pici> Hes banned now.
[16:35] <PriceChild> he gets answered and things sorted right?
[16:35] <PriceChild> but comes back anyway?
[16:35] <ikonia> yup
[16:35] <ikonia> yup, finds reasons to say vigina
[16:35] <ikonia> vagina
[16:36] <jdong> lol do people spend their free time thinking of how to goof off in #ubuntu?
[16:36] <ikonia> yes clearly
[16:36] <Pici> If the bot attacks werent evidence enough..
[16:39] <PriceChild> jdong, we get the same on the forums don't we?
[16:39] <jdong> yeah :)
[16:40] <jdong> though with much less vagina stuff...
[16:40] <ikonia> you can never have too much.....etc etc
[16:40] <jdong> :)
[16:40] <PriceChild> jdong, oh we've had a reasonable amount of vagina stuff :/
 PriceChild </snip>
[16:42] <ikonia> I'll ave that quote for later
[16:42] <Pici> ikonia: I was thinking the exact same thing.
[16:43] <jussi01> ahhh, you will all make me die of laughter...
[16:52] <ikonia> would someone give me an opinion on this please. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51101/
[16:53] <ikonia> lines 9/10/11 please
[16:53] <Pici> Does the person claim they are running Ubuntu or Redhat?
[16:53] <ikonia> ubuntu
[16:53] <Mez> ikonia, that a linux question ?
[16:53] <Mez> ubuntu *
[16:53] <ikonia> yes
[16:53] <ikonia> I don't think he's running ubuntu
[16:54] <ikonia> as dhcdbd has a hardcoded path in it for the redhat boot scripts
[16:54] <Pici> /me lastlogs
[16:54] <ikonia> from what I'm reading
[16:54] <Mez> he could be but dodgy code?
[16:54] <Mez> ikonia, ask for a uname -a :)
[16:54] <ikonia> Mez: thats next on my list
[16:55] <ikonia> looks llike ubuntu
[16:55] <Mez> tail /etc/motd ;)
[16:55] <Mez> ah no
[16:55] <Mez> lsb_release -a
[16:56] <ikonia> Mez: could be cut and paste from google
[16:56] <Mez> not for lsb_release ;) not many know it
[16:56] <ikonia> he could be innocent just seems odd
[16:56] <jdong> ikonia: that's a dbus path
[16:57] <ikonia> jdong: yes, but why referencing redhat device files for the network
[16:57] <jdong> ikonia: redhat wrote dhcpdb, its dbus handle is under /com/redhat
[16:57] <Mez> and either way, it gives you the rlease version
[16:57] <jdong> the bash prompt is also classic debian/ubuntu style
[16:58] <jdong> redhat uses [ user@host:~ ]$ or similar
[16:58] <jdong> and also in redhat /var/log/messages is owned by root/admin and not readable without root access
[16:59] <ikonia> jdong: nice detective work
[16:59] <ikonia> jdong: I didn't realise that dbus was wrote by redhat
[16:59] <jdong> ikonia: dhcpdb is a spawn of the NetworkManager project and redhat wrote all that stuff
[16:59] <Pici> Ah, so I can blame them ;)
[16:59] <jdong> yeah :D
[17:00] <jdong> apparently the next major version is suppoesd to suck less (tm)?
[17:00] <ikonia> jdong: I doubt that
[17:01] <Pici> jdong: in time for Hardy/Gnome 2.22?
[17:02] <jdong> Pici: not sure; I've been living in a box for the past 3 weeks
[18:00] <desertc> nalioth, LjL: Salutations.
[18:07] <PriceChild> Hey desertc, anything I can help with?
[18:08] <desertc> PriceChild: Perhaps!  Thanks for offering.  I was inquiring about my Ubuntu cloak yesterday, and nalioth and LjL were helping me out.  LjL added me to the Ubuntu Cloaks team in Launchpad, but the cloak has not yet activated on Freenode over the last 12 or so hours.
[18:10] <PriceChild> ah yup saw that email this morning
[18:11] <PriceChild> desertc, sorry but freenode hasn't caught up on our new gcf for ubuntu so you'll have to wait for nalioth to enable the cloak. He's not /away atm so it shouldn't take to long to get turned on. Please ensure you've gotten 2 nicks linked to each other, and an email set :)
[18:13] <PriceChild> we've pinged him enough too :)
[18:13] <desertc> PriceChild: "2 nicks", you mean like desertc and desertc_ , right?
[18:17] <PriceChild> yup
[18:17] <PriceChild> and desertc_ linked to desertc
[18:18] <desertc> Thanks.  Yes, that's done.
[18:23] <desertc> All those requirements were necessary for the Unaffiliated cloak.
[18:23] <desertc> Anyhow, I'll just wait for Nalioth.  :-)
[18:24] <desertc> Ah, I see the cloak has been changed.
[18:31] <PriceChild> desertc, cool :)
[18:31] <desertc> Have a nice day.
[18:32] <PriceChild> how shiny
[18:40] <Gary> super sparkly :-)
[19:41] <astharot> hello :)
[19:41] <Pici> astharot: Hello, how can we help you today?
[19:41] <astharot> desertc told me to come here to ask for a cloak
[19:42] <Pici> astharot: Are you an Ubuntu member?
[19:42] <astharot> yes
[19:42] <astharot> https://launchpad.net/~gerardo
[19:42] <Pici> !cloak
[19:42] <ubotu> Many Ubuntu IRC channels prohibit access from !proxies such as !TOR due to a high level of abuse. You can however obtain a hostmask cloak: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[19:42] <nalioth> Pici: it's
[19:42] <nalioth> !member
[19:42] <ubotu> Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[19:42] <astharot> I'm already a member
[19:43] <astharot> and also a motu
[19:43] <astharot> since 2005
[19:43] <nalioth> astharot: MOTU is not related to us, i'm afraid
[19:43] <astharot> uh?
[19:44] <nalioth> astharot: please follow the "want to become and Ubuntu member" steps
[19:44] <astharot> nalioth: i'm an ubuntu member
[19:44] <Pici> nalioth: But he said he was a member... was giving him the nicksetup links
[19:44] <nalioth> astharot: your launchpad page says differently  ;(
[19:44] <astharot> I linked my launchpad page
[19:44]  * Pici runs off
[19:44] <astharot> Ubuntero:  Yes
[19:44] <LjL-Mobile> That's not member
[19:44] <nalioth> ah, Ubuntero is not "Ubuntu member"
[19:45] <astharot> uhm...
[19:45] <ompaul> !member
[19:45] <ubotu> Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[19:45] <nalioth> ompaul: already done once  :)
[19:45] <ompaul> nalioth, well I am logged
[19:45] <astharot> how to recognize a member?
[19:45] <ompaul> lagged even
[19:46] <astharot> I've the icons of ubuntumembers and ubuntu-dev :P
[19:46] <nalioth> astharot: you can look at their cloak on irc
[19:46] <ompaul> astharot, read that web page
[19:46] <ompaul> !register | astharot
[19:46] <ubotu> astharot: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[19:46] <nalioth> astharot: on launchpad, it'll say the person is a member of "ubuntu members"
[19:47] <astharot> ok ok... it's only because when I was member launchpad didn't exist yet
[19:47] <astharot> then I was offline now I have to "upload" my launchpad page
[19:47] <astharot> thank you, see you next time :)
[19:48] <ompaul> astharot,  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers
[19:48] <astharot> yep
[19:49] <astharot> You are an indirect member of this team:
[19:49] <astharot> Gerardo Di Giacomo ? MOTU ? Ubuntu Development Team ? Ubuntu Members
[19:49] <nalioth> you may be an indirect member of a lot of teams
[19:50] <nalioth> but for a cloak here on irc, you must be a full member of "Ubuntu Members"
[19:50] <astharot> ok-ok
[19:51] <astharot> bye
[19:52] <ompaul> strange
[19:53] <no0tic> nalioth, when will freenode be re-enabled to receive donations?
[20:02] <nalioth> no0tic: unsure
[20:05] <Pici> nalioth: Sorry, I misunderstood.  I don't have any say in getting someone a cloak anyways, just wanted to make sure that he at least had some of the prerequisites done (although he didnt have the most important one)
[20:06] <nalioth> Pici: most folks don't come here for an @about/cooking/khenpan/pici type cloak  :)
[20:25] <Pici> !ircstats-#ubuntu-offtopic | tonyyarusso
[20:25] <ubotu> tonyyarusso: Fun statistics about this IRC channel are available at  http://www.ubuntuircstats.org/#ubuntu-ops.html - LoCo team leaders can also request to have their channel stats collected.
[20:25] <Pici> well, that kind of worked.
[20:25] <tonyyarusso> not really
[20:25] <Pici> no, not really indeed
[20:25]  * Pici goes back to the drawing board.
[20:28] <LjL-Mobile> there is a 'current channel' variable in ubotu if that's what you're looking for
[20:29] <LjL-Mobile> might be $channel, i never remember
[20:29] <LjL-Mobile> !hi
[20:29] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-ops!
[20:29] <Pici> Its $chan, but it includes the #
[20:29] <jpatrick> $chan I think
[20:29] <Pici> I dont think its possible without enabling some more supybot plugins,
[20:31] <LjL-Mobile> pici: yes it includes that, ask the guy to change the urls accordingly :)
[20:32] <Pici> This is how I do my alias on my bot: "re s/ #*//g http://nullcortex.com/irclogs/[re s/\//-/g $channel.html]"
[20:33] <Pici> Includes some other stuff to handle channels with slashes in them.
[20:41] <ompaul> two people removed from #ubuntu check for reasons
[20:41] <ompaul> ahh there is the first one
[20:41] <tonyyarusso> switch^ was mine in -ot, ty
[20:41] <tim__> yes ?
[20:41] <tim__> what was that for?
[20:41] <ompaul> PriceChild, / ljl / tonyyarusso  that was the equiv of rm imho was I right or wrong
[20:42] <tonyyarusso> looking
[20:42] <ompaul> tim__, I think you will find it was for stating that point in #ubuntu as there are new users in there who might do that -
[20:42] <Dmole> sorry wrong name :)
[20:42] <ompaul> it does not matter you are banned either way afik
[20:43] <tonyyarusso> ompaul: As a result, pretty likely, although given what we've seen before, far more likely to have been a legitimate question (ie, unintentional)
[20:43] <ompaul> tonyyarusso, saw the :) in there with the OMG and that was my trigger
[20:44] <tonyyarusso> yeah, not sure
[20:44] <tonyyarusso> Dmole: Care to take a stab at guessing what the problem may be?
[20:45] <Dmole> "sorry wrong name" ie my nick was not e+
[20:45] <tonyyarusso> no, regarding the last thing you said in #ubuntu
[20:47] <Dmole> i gave the command that was giving me problems ?
[20:47] <ompaul> with an OMG and a :)
[20:47] <ompaul> which makes it look like you are not serious
[20:47] <ompaul> !lol
[20:47] <ubotu> Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[20:47] <Dmole> is the omg the problem ? .... oh sorry
[20:47] <ompaul> Dmole, it is that coupled with the comment
[20:47] <ompaul> that it makes me think you did not
[20:48] <Dmole> well it has me in a bother
[20:48] <ompaul> actually do that command as that command would only attack your own files
[20:48] <Dmole> how do i fix this?
[20:48] <ompaul> you can't really - unless you ahve a backup cos you need permissions from all over the place changed in different ways
[20:49] <Dmole> well it was only the o so i think it is fixable
[20:49] <Dmole> "o" = other users
[20:50] <kahrytan> Hello
[20:50] <Dmole> can i ask this question in #ubuntu or can you answer it here?
[20:50] <ompaul> just a sec
[20:51] <Dmole> i want to "chmod -o-rwx /home/user/.*"  without it going up the file tree
[20:51] <Dmole> ok I will wait
 OMG help!    "chmod 0777 ./.*"  results in changes up the tree! (like ./../../passwords.txt)  :) how do i stop this?
[20:52] <ompaul> this is not the problem you are stating now
[20:54] <Dmole> it is, and i will explain now; I want to do something like "chmod -o-rwx /home/user/.*" without it going up the file tree because previously I did something like "chmod 0777 /home/user/*"
[20:55] <ompaul> Switch^,  please refrain on taking the bans in one place to another
[20:55] <Switch^> yes, I'm sorry
[20:55] <Switch^> ompaul: I just found it weird
[20:56] <ompaul> !guidelines | Switch^  (please have a look at this and come back to me in about 15 mins)
[20:56] <ubotu> Switch^  (please have a look at this and come back to me in about 15 mins): The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[20:57] <Dmole> I could use /* but it won't affect the .* files, and it dislikes  regx so \.[^\.].* is out of the question ... i think
[20:57] <Dmole> ompaul: do you understand ?
[20:57] <ikonia> what the devil is going on here ?
[20:58] <ubotu> ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu (candy flooding)
[20:58] <ubotu> Cpudan80 called the ops in #ubuntu (candy)
[20:58] <ompaul> Dmole, let me apraise ikonia about that
[20:58] <ikonia> hmmm
[20:58] <nalioth> klined
[20:59] <ikonia> nalioth: appriciated
[20:59] <Amaranth> nice one tonyyarusso
[20:59] <nalioth> ikonia: i didn't do it
[21:00] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: I haven't done that in so long...there goes the record.
[21:00] <ikonia> didn't see who did
[21:01] <ikonia> tonyyarusso: quick response, thanks
[21:01] <Amaranth> ikonia: he banned the wrong person :P
[21:01] <ikonia> really, I who got candy then ?
[21:01] <ikonia> it all went really quick
[21:01] <ompaul> Dmole, let me help you here, (A) chmod 777 is not going to go recursive (B) you missed a clue that makes it valid to ubuntu - so I thought then as I do now that you are (A) not on ubuntu or (B) not defining the problem
[21:02] <tonyyarusso> ikonia: nixternal did
[21:02] <ompaul> Dmole, and your regex is rubbish
[21:02] <ompaul> and I was right in the first case
[21:02] <ompaul> so
[21:02] <Dmole> thanks for offering to help  ompaul
[21:02] <ompaul> !guidelines | Dmole (come back in a week  and we might life the ban)
[21:02] <ubotu> Dmole (come back in a week  and we might life the ban): The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[21:02] <Dmole> yes i am in ubuntu
[21:03] <ompaul> ehh you can't be
[21:03] <ompaul> your problem is not valid as you describe it
[21:03] <Dmole> and no my regex is fine as perl thinks it is
[21:03] <ompaul> it is not possible
[21:03] <ompaul> again
[21:03] <ompaul> your problem is not possible you are missing one vital part and it is not there
[21:03] <Dmole> and i did miss type because I used the -R
[21:04] <ompaul> that would not work
[21:04] <ompaul> and please stop trying to pretend, put the straws away
[21:04] <Dmole> I will copy past from the cli
[21:04] <Dmole> *paste
[21:05] <ompaul> you can paste your history in paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[21:05] <ompaul> and we can review it there
[21:05] <Dmole> ok
[21:06] <Dmole> thanks
[21:06] <Dmole> what is that command for command history?
[21:07] <ikonia> fc -l
[21:07] <ikonia> or history
[21:07] <ikonia> depending on your distro
[21:07] <ompaul> history is pretty much universal
[21:08] <ompaul> and much more fun
[21:10] <Switch^> ompaul; can you unban me?
[21:11] <ompaul> Switch^, quick question, why do you think you were banned?
[21:11] <ompaul> Switch^, you can take it to pm if you want
[21:16] <Dmole> ompaul: I posted excerpts from my history
[21:16] <ompaul> ip ?
[21:16] <ompaul> url
[21:16] <ompaul> we all, alas failed telepathy
[21:16] <Dmole> um...
[21:17] <Dmole> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51131/
[21:17] <Dmole> sorry i thought it was accessible by user name  because it asked me for one
[21:18] <ompaul> Dmole, ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[21:18] <ompaul> no
[21:18] <ompaul> you have not convinced me
[21:19] <ompaul> again you seem to not be using ubuntu
[21:19] <ompaul> there are many reasons for this
[21:19] <ompaul> belief
[21:19] <Dmole> ! what?
[21:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about what? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:19] <Dmole> what is the ubuntu version of ver?
[21:21] <ompaul> uname -a
[21:21] <ompaul> lsb_release -a
[21:21] <ompaul> both of those please
[21:21] <ompaul> and fast
[21:21] <Dmole> ompaul you don't seem to take me seriously. it's not vary nice to meet this type of attitude when honestly looking for help :(
[21:21] <ompaul> well that would convince me
[21:22] <Dmole> Linux TimsBay 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Dec 18 08:02:57 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[21:22] <Dmole> No LSB modules are available.
[21:22] <Dmole> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[21:22] <Dmole> Description:    Ubuntu 7.10
[21:22] <Dmole> Release:        7.10
[21:22] <Dmole> Codename:       gutsy
[21:22] <ompaul> so how the blazes are you working in /root/ then ?
[21:23] <Dmole> well all you have to do is "sudo passwd root"
[21:23] <ompaul> !sudo
[21:23] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[21:23] <Dmole> and then "su - root"
[21:23] <ompaul> dude (A) don't use sudo
[21:23] <ompaul> wrong
[21:24] <ompaul> me that is
[21:24] <ompaul> dude (A) don't use root
[21:24] <ompaul> (B) use sudo
[21:24] <Dmole> well often i have to use 10 or 20 root commands  but yes i stay in a user account most of the time
[21:25] <ompaul> 10 or 20
[21:25]  * ompaul is stunned
[21:25] <ompaul> I run a 60 machine network and root is the last thing I would look for even on the debian boxes
[21:26] <Dmole> well you probably know how to do things better then I
[21:26] <ompaul> well for one
[21:26] <ompaul> what you wrote in all three cases are different
[21:26] <ompaul> the o does nothing in chmod
[21:26] <ompaul> -R is recursive i.e. down a tree
[21:27] <ompaul> not up a tree
[21:27] <Dmole> man chmod said that o+wrx will add wrx to all users
[21:27] <ompaul> well depends on what files you borked
[21:27] <Dmole> -R is down but also up when .* is used
[21:27] <Jack_Sparrow> dbmoodb:  is being rude and disruptive
[21:29] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, thanks caught that
[21:29] <Dmole> try "ls -al -R .*" you will see what i mean
[21:29] <dbmoodb> won't ls -RAL work ?
[21:30] <dbmoodb> why do you need the -R to be separate - just a note
[21:30] <Dmole> yes but that's an aside
[21:30] <ompaul>  ./
[21:30] <ompaul> which is the current directory and below
[21:30] <ompaul> that is all
[21:30] <dbmoodb> oh
[21:30] <ompaul> below being the ones in /root/,*
[21:30] <dbmoodb> thought there was a space in there
[21:30] <ompaul> dbmoodb, you are right
[21:31] <dbmoodb> oh
[21:31] <ompaul> dbmoodb, but frankly why would I let you back into #ubuntu?
[21:31] <dbmoodb> eh ?
[21:31] <dbmoodb> i don't want you too
[21:31] <ompaul> so why are you here?
[21:31] <dbmoodb> to see if the higher powers know what the name of the stupid thing is before i go for real help
[21:32] <dbmoodb> ubuntu is my testing thing - i trash it
[21:32] <mneptok> real help?! where?!
[21:32] <ompaul> dbmoodb, this is not a help channel you really don't want to know the origin of what you were looking at when you arrived, trust me on that - boring as all get out
[21:32] <dbmoodb> in debian or compiz-fusion on or the other
[21:33] <ompaul> mneptok, I believe in your office on your phone eating your doughnuts
[21:33] <dbmoodb> oh ssh om i know what this channel is meant to be for
[21:33] <Dmole> ompaul: not for me the " ls -al -R .*" command lists my entire file system
[21:33] <dbmoodb> AHAHAAHAH
[21:33] <dbmoodb> no really ?
[21:33] <mneptok> THERE ARE DONUTS?!?!?!
[21:33] <dbmoodb> not anymore
[21:33] <mneptok> why was i not informed?
[21:34] <ompaul> mneptok, so we could eat them on you
[21:34] <mneptok> where is the sticky note? the flaming arrow?
[21:34] <dbmoodb> HA I WIN OM
[21:34] <dbmoodb> Ubuntu users: #ubuntu for general help; this channel is only for Compiz-specific help
[21:34] <ompaul> munch munch
[21:34] <dbmoodb> go fuck your self
[21:34] <dbmoodb> - well not you
[21:34] <ompaul> boo bue
[21:34] <ompaul> whatever
[21:34]  * ompaul is not in the mood
[21:34] <mneptok> how anticlimactic
[21:34] <ompaul> mneptok, and what did you want - fireworks?
[21:35] <mneptok> something a little more ... inspired.
[21:35] <Gary> ponies?
[21:35] <ompaul> Switch^, eh anything else?
[21:37] <Switch^> ompaul: no, thank you :p
[21:37] <Dmole> ompaul what do you think of the fact that "ls -al -R .*" lists my whole fs?
[21:37] <ompaul> Dmole, okay, many years ago I had a situation where someone read to me the contents of a file system over irc
[21:38] <ompaul> Dmole, and the permissions were changed by hand
[21:38] <ompaul> ugly
[21:38] <ompaul> the only think you can do is pull your data to one side
[21:38] <ompaul> and reintroduce it after you reinstall - cos anything else is a waste of breath to be honest
[21:39] <ompaul> Dmole, or in other words you got yourself a nasty one there
[21:40] <ompaul> Dmole, if you have that situation, to get every link right and package reinstalled correctly you would save maybe three to four hours at a minimum with NO typos
[21:40] <ompaul> and you will make one so just reinstall
[21:41] <Dmole> well I was going to write a script to do -R properly for any command but i thought it must exist so i asked got banned and now i'm going to write the script.
[21:41] <ompaul> Dmole, you got banned because it looked like a troll - figure this out
[21:42] <ompaul> you started by talking about passwd.txt
[21:42] <ompaul> we don't have such files
[21:42] <Dmole> oh i do understand that this is the internet so you have to be causes etc
[21:43] <Dmole> it's ok i'll change my ip and be back in a jiffy
[21:43] <tonyyarusso> Dmole: If you do, you will be banned from the entire network, not just #ubuntu
[21:43] <Dmole> not likely but have a nice day :)
[21:43] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: ^^
[21:44] <ompaul> well now that could be interesting
[21:44] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: ^^ nice eyebrows
[21:44] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: they're furry!
[22:02] <Flare183> this dude, J-_ just told me to f off
[22:02] <nalioth> Flare183: so /ignore him   :)
[22:02] <Flare183> ok
[22:03] <jdong> man everyone whose nick starts with j is trouble.
[22:03] <ompaul> jdong, who gave you permission to speak?
[22:03] <ompaul> you just assuming things again?
[22:04] <nalioth> i think he's speaking from experience, ompaul
[22:04] <nalioth> let's kline him
[22:04] <PriceChild> nalioth, I don't see flare's complaint in the public channel?
[22:04] <nalioth> just to be sure
[22:04] <nalioth> PriceChild: yep.
[22:04] <PriceChild> could you gimme a timestamp? :)
[22:04] <LjL> PriceChild: that's why /ignore was suggested i believe
[22:05] <PriceChild> all i see is "damn it"
[22:06] <LjL> PriceChild, i think it was in PM
[22:06] <ubotu> J-_ called the ops in #ubuntu (_boikhutso_)
[22:06] <PriceChild> LjL, sorry when i was addressing nal, i meant i didn't see j-_ say what he was acused of saying in the main channel
[22:07] <PriceChild> gah... boikhutso was told how many times?
[22:07] <PriceChild> *accused
[22:07] <jdong> I'm pretty sure PMs are out of our domain?
[22:07] <jdong> err... PM's.
[22:07] <LjL> unless there's repeated reports of them
[22:07] <nalioth> PriceChild: right.  i suggested /ignore
[22:08] <nalioth> yes, PMs are out of our domain
[22:08] <PriceChild> nalioth, yup
[22:09] <Jack_Sparrow> I really really tried to get him to use the pastebin
[22:11] <nalioth> Jack_Sparrow: it happens
[22:11] <Jack_Sparrow> MOre trouble
[23:06] <Pici> mrr