| ari_stress | morning all :D | 00:06 |
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| baksteen | hiya | 08:36 |
| baksteen | i need some help installing edubuntu 7.10, It's giving me an error that is holding up the whole installation | 08:43 |
| baksteen | if anybody would be willing to help? It has to do with the Build LTSP chroot step of the installation | 08:44 |
| johnny | baksteen, i've never installed edubuntu, i just use the ltsp part of regular ubuntu, so i'm not sure how i can help with that | 09:29 |
| johnny | perhaps you can deselect ltsp for now and come back to it? | 09:29 |
| johnny | when more folks are about | 09:29 |
| anestis | Hi Richard | 11:45 |
| markvandenborre | wouldn't it make sense to not use networkmanager on a thin client server, and just keep to /etc/network/interfaces? | 12:01 |
| markvandenborre | at least in my case I mean... | 12:02 |
| markvandenborre | but maybe even more in general, is that something to be considered from a stability point of view for a thin client server? | 12:03 |
| markvandenborre | I have a stability problem with dbus and hal it seems: | 12:14 |
| markvandenborre | Jan 8 10:33:27 edubuntu NetworkManager: <WARN> nm_hal_deinit(): libhal shutdown failed - Connection is closed | 12:14 |
| markvandenborre | and after that dbus seems to go tits up | 12:14 |
| ogra | well, edubuntu uses /e/n/i instead of NM for the thin client part | 12:14 |
| ogra | NM is still there since you can use it for the second spare NIC | 12:15 |
| ogra | indeed you can safely uninstall it but its also not used in a default edubuntu two NIC install | 12:15 |
| markvandenborre | heh? not even on the nic where I have a dhcp client running? | 12:16 |
| ogra | err, indeed it is | 12:16 |
| ogra | but not on the client side | 12:17 |
| ogra | s/client/thin client | 12:17 |
| markvandenborre | what consequences am I looking at by just moving the dhcp client nic on the server to /e/n/i instead of NM? | 12:17 |
| ogra | none | 12:18 |
| markvandenborre | or is there anything I could help troubleshoot and still keep using NM, maybe helping edubuntu in the process? | 12:18 |
| ogra | NM should show you that it found no interfaces it can manage, thats all | 12:18 |
| ogra | well, we're just changing the whole CD setup | 12:18 |
| ogra | that means that the first edubuntu Cd will go away ... | 12:19 |
| markvandenborre | I'll probably go /e/n/i to make the system more stable | 12:19 |
| markvandenborre | but if I can help by looking at what goes wrong | 12:19 |
| ogra | so you have to use ubuntu alternate first (including ltsp now) and then add the edubuntu-desktop from an addon CD ... | 12:19 |
| markvandenborre | before doing that, please tell me what info you'd like to have | 12:19 |
| ogra | that means indeed that NM is already there, coming from the ubuntu-desktop | 12:19 |
| ogra | so we'll have to stick with it ... | 12:20 |
| ogra | file bugs about issues you see so we can fix them :) | 12:20 |
| markvandenborre | ouch, might be hard for a server | 12:20 |
| ogra | ubuntu-server doesnt have a desktop | 12:20 |
| markvandenborre | anyhting in particular I should include? | 12:21 |
| markvandenborre | I meant for a thin client server | 12:21 |
| ogra | logs :) | 12:21 |
| ogra | add LTSP somewhere in eth description or title, so the NM dev knows whom to poke (me) | 12:21 |
| markvandenborre | I've found the exact second where things go wrong | 12:21 |
| markvandenborre | and Jan 8 10:33:27 edubuntu NetworkManager: <WARN> nm_hal_deinit(): libhal shutdown failed - Connection is closed | 12:21 |
| ogra | s/eth/the/ | 12:21 |
| pmvalente | hello | 12:21 |
| markvandenborre | ogra: k, will do | 12:22 |
| markvandenborre | pmvalente: hi | 12:22 |
| pmvalente | can you help me, I try that my thin clients mount theirs usb pen drives, but I can't | 12:22 |
| ogra | is the user in the fuse group ? | 12:23 |
| pmvalente | yes | 12:23 |
| ogra | well, then it should work out of the box | 12:23 |
| pmvalente | yes I know | 12:23 |
| ogra | doesnt it work at all or only for specific users or at specific times ? | 12:24 |
| pmvalente | just a second | 12:24 |
| ogra | and is your usb key partitioned ... ltspfs doesnt handle unpartitioned keys | 12:24 |
| pmvalente | yes | 12:25 |
| pmvalente | is partitioned | 12:25 |
| ogra | did you do any tweaks through lts.conf ? | 12:25 |
| pmvalente | nothing | 12:26 |
| ogra | (shouldnt be used if you dont need to override any of teh defaults) | 12:26 |
| ogra | ok | 12:26 |
| ogra | is this gutsy ? 7.10 ? | 12:26 |
| pmvalente | I log with differents users and in diferents machines but the result is the same, no usb on desktop | 12:27 |
| ogra | is this gutsy ? 7.10 ? | 12:27 |
| pmvalente | edubuntu | 12:27 |
| ogra | which version ? | 12:27 |
| pmvalente | yes is gutsy 7.10 | 12:28 |
| ogra | ok | 12:28 |
| ogra | create /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf | 12:28 |
| ogra | add the following content: | 12:28 |
| ogra | [default] | 12:28 |
| ogra | SCREEN_07=ldm | 12:28 |
| ogra | SCREEN_02=shell | 12:29 |
| ogra | then boot a client | 12:29 |
| ogra | with ctrl-alt-f2 you can swithc to a local console on the client to debug | 12:29 |
| pmvalente | no job control in this shell | 12:35 |
| ogra | great | 12:35 |
| ogra | now plug in your usb key and type dmesg right after that | 12:36 |
| ogra | see if it found the key (there should be messages about sdXX) | 12:36 |
| ogra | (likely sda1) | 12:36 |
| pmvalente | yes sdb1 | 12:39 |
| ogra | right | 12:43 |
| pmvalente | and now please? | 12:43 |
| ogra | check if /var/run/drives/ contains a dir for it | 12:44 |
| pmvalente | yes it is | 12:45 |
| ogra | should be called something like usbdisk-sdb1 | 12:45 |
| ogra | ok | 12:45 |
| pmvalente | no is a name | 12:45 |
| pmvalente | KINGSTON | 12:45 |
| ogra | switch to the graphical screen (ctrl-alt-f7) and log in there with a user you know is in the fuse group | 12:45 |
| pmvalente | done | 12:46 |
| ogra | replug the keys | 12:46 |
| ogra | *key | 12:46 |
| pmvalente | done | 12:47 |
| ogra | open a gnome-terminal in your X session and issue the mount command | 12:47 |
| ogra | or better: mount|grep ltsp | 12:47 |
| ogra | any output ? | 12:48 |
| pmvalente | yes | 12:48 |
| ogra | there should be two mounts | 12:48 |
| ogra | ltspfs on /tmp/.$USER-ltspfs/<diskname> | 12:49 |
| pmvalente | ltspfs on /tmp/.a24268-ltspfs/Trabalho type fuse.ltspfs (rw..... | 12:49 |
| ogra | and /tmp/.$USER-ltspfs/<diskname> on /media/... | 12:49 |
| pmvalente | yes | 12:49 |
| ogra | both are there ? | 12:49 |
| pmvalente | ye | 12:49 |
| ogra | so everything is fine with your local devices then | 12:49 |
| ogra | ther is no icon on your gnome desktop ? | 12:50 |
| pmvalente | sbut the USER on that output is different that the user that logs | 12:50 |
| ogra | aha | 12:50 |
| ogra | so it didnt work then | 12:50 |
| pmvalente | the user login is a24273 | 12:50 |
| pmvalente | and the user on output is .24268-ltspfs .... | 12:51 |
| ogra | there is a bug in /usr/bin/ltspfsmounter that lets only one user mount properly, you need to delete a line in that script | 12:51 |
| ogra | open the script and look for a line containing DISPLAY | 12:51 |
| ogra | delete this line and try again | 12:52 |
| ogra | (i wasnt expecting a second user, else i'd have mentioned it earlier) | 12:52 |
| pmvalente | I can find that file ltspfsmounter | 12:55 |
| ogra | on the server | 12:55 |
| pmvalente | yes | 12:55 |
| pmvalente | /usr/bin ? | 12:55 |
| ogra | oh, sorry, tahts in sbin, not bin | 12:55 |
| pmvalente | need to restart something? | 12:57 |
| ogra | re-plug | 12:58 |
| pmvalente | ok | 12:58 |
| ogra | should start working right away | 12:58 |
| pmvalente | you are a GOD | 12:59 |
| pmvalente | thanks very much | 12:59 |
| pmvalente | its working | 12:59 |
| ogra | :) | 12:59 |
| pmvalente | keep the good working | 13:00 |
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| markvandenborre | is there any reason why I would want to have gnome-power-manager installed on an edubuntu ltsp server? | 15:14 |
| ogra | saving power ? | 15:14 |
| markvandenborre | yeah, you're obviously right... | 15:16 |
| stmartin | hi! Can I ask u what is the use of OpenDNS? | 15:59 |
| stmartin | what is it for? | 15:59 |
| markvandenborre | stmartin: earning advertising dollars for the opendns people? | 16:03 |
| markvandenborre | nothing to do with edubuntu, that's for sure | 16:03 |
| stmartin | I have one problem. Here are the details. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=661770 | 16:04 |
| markvandenborre | stmartin: come to #ubuntu, and I'll see what I can do to help you there | 16:06 |
| markvandenborre | your question belongs there more than here | 16:06 |
| stmartin | I am already there | 16:06 |
| pmvalente | as somebody know how to sort by user in users & group graphic manager | 17:26 |
| pmvalente | hello | 17:36 |
| pmvalente | as anybody know how to sort by user in users & group graphic manager | 17:36 |
| pmvalente | please, as anybody know if is possible in user & groups manager to sort by users? | 17:40 |
| pmvalente | as somebody know how to sort by user in users & group graphic manager | 17:46 |
| LaserJock | ogra: did ltsp get moved? | 18:13 |
| ogra | not tested yet, but i moved it today, yes | 18:14 |
| ogra | how's life for you ? there is a lot water around in your area i saw on TV | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | ah yes | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | we got quite a bit of snow | 18:14 |
| ogra | snow ? | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | yep | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | lots of rain too | 18:14 |
| ogra | dont you live at the edge of a desert ? | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | yep | 18:15 |
| LaserJock | but it is a high desert | 18:15 |
| ogra | ah | 18:15 |
| LaserJock | it doesn't often dump snow/rain | 18:15 |
| ogra | well, still that doesnt sound very usual | 18:15 |
| LaserJock | but when it does it does tend to do quite a bit | 18:15 |
| LaserJock | a levee broke in a canal ~30 miles away and flooded a town | 18:16 |
| LaserJock | they had to evacuate 4k people | 18:16 |
| ogra | yeah, we had that guy on tv for two days, moaning that he didnt think about a flooding insurance since he lives near a desert | 18:16 |
| LaserJock | heh | 18:16 |
| LaserJock | did you get my notes yesterday? | 18:18 |
| ogra | what did the squeak people say ? | 18:19 |
| LaserJock | well, I talked to them about Etoys | 18:19 |
| LaserJock | and trying to figure out the difference between all the various squeak images/frameworks | 18:19 |
| ogra | its a chaos | 18:19 |
| LaserJock | for Etoys apparently the actual framework is included in the regular squeak image | 18:20 |
| LaserJock | but it would be good to package up the squeakland image | 18:20 |
| LaserJock | the biggest news was that Apple has agreed to relicense squeak under Apache2.0 | 18:20 |
| ogra | wohoo | 18:21 |
| ogra | that makes it ready for universe | 18:22 |
| ogra | at least :) | 18:22 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure how long it's gonna take to get it all cleaned up | 18:22 |
| LaserJock | they have to get other contributors to agree and release a new version | 18:22 |
| LaserJock | but they're making a push to make as much as possible MIT even | 18:22 |
| LaserJock | at this point moving over to the Debian packages for squeak, and then packaging the seaside image and perhaps the OLPC image would be pretty cool | 18:25 |
| ogra | sounds like | 18:27 |
| LaserJock | ogra: \o/ \o/ \o/ | 19:11 |
| LaserJock | I think dynamic menus work | 19:12 |
| stgraber | yeah !!! | 19:12 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: you managed to have the xdg thing working ? | 19:12 |
| LaserJock | I think so | 19:13 |
| LaserJock | yep, it looks to be working | 19:13 |
| LaserJock | I just need to replace export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="${BASE_DIR}" with export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="${BASE_DIR}":/etc/xdg/ | 19:14 |
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