[00:06] <ari_stress> morning all :D
[08:36] <baksteen> hiya
[08:43] <baksteen> i need some help installing edubuntu 7.10, It's giving me an error that is holding up the whole installation
[08:44] <baksteen> if anybody would be willing to help? It has to do with the Build LTSP chroot step of the installation
[09:29] <johnny> baksteen, i've never installed edubuntu, i just use the ltsp part of regular ubuntu, so i'm not sure how i can help with that
[09:29] <johnny> perhaps you can deselect ltsp for now and come back to it?
[09:29] <johnny> when more folks are about
[11:45] <anestis> Hi Richard
[12:01] <markvandenborre> wouldn't it make sense to not use networkmanager on a thin client server, and just keep to /etc/network/interfaces?
[12:02] <markvandenborre> at least in my case I mean...
[12:03] <markvandenborre> but maybe even more in general, is that something to be considered from a stability point of view for a thin client server?
[12:14] <markvandenborre> I have a stability problem with dbus and hal it seems:
[12:14] <markvandenborre> Jan  8 10:33:27 edubuntu NetworkManager: <WARN>  nm_hal_deinit(): libhal shutdown failed - Connection is closed
[12:14] <markvandenborre> and after that dbus seems to go tits up
[12:14] <ogra> well, edubuntu uses /e/n/i instead of NM for the thin client part
[12:15] <ogra> NM is still there since you can use it for the second spare NIC
[12:15] <ogra> indeed you can safely uninstall it but its also not used in a default edubuntu two NIC install
[12:16] <markvandenborre> heh? not even on the nic where I have a dhcp client running?
[12:16] <ogra> err, indeed it is
[12:17] <ogra> but not on the client side
[12:17] <ogra> s/client/thin client
[12:17] <markvandenborre> what consequences am I looking at by just moving the dhcp client nic on the server to /e/n/i instead of NM?
[12:18] <ogra> none
[12:18] <markvandenborre> or is there anything I could help troubleshoot and still keep using NM, maybe helping edubuntu in the process?
[12:18] <ogra> NM should show you that it found no interfaces it can manage, thats all
[12:18] <ogra> well, we're just changing the whole CD setup
[12:19] <ogra> that means that the first edubuntu Cd will go away ...
[12:19] <markvandenborre> I'll probably go /e/n/i to make the system more stable
[12:19] <markvandenborre> but if I can help by looking at what goes wrong
[12:19] <ogra> so you have to use ubuntu alternate first (including ltsp now) and then add the edubuntu-desktop from an addon CD ...
[12:19] <markvandenborre> before doing that, please tell me what info you'd like to have
[12:19] <ogra> that means indeed that NM is already there, coming from the ubuntu-desktop
[12:20] <ogra> so we'll have to stick with it ...
[12:20] <ogra> file bugs about issues you see so we can fix them :)
[12:20] <markvandenborre> ouch, might be hard for a server
[12:20] <ogra> ubuntu-server doesnt have a desktop
[12:21] <markvandenborre> anyhting in particular I should include?
[12:21] <markvandenborre> I meant for a thin client server
[12:21] <ogra> logs :)
[12:21] <ogra> add LTSP somewhere in eth description or title, so the NM dev knows whom to poke (me)
[12:21] <markvandenborre> I've found the exact second where things go wrong
[12:21] <markvandenborre> and Jan  8 10:33:27 edubuntu NetworkManager: <WARN>  nm_hal_deinit(): libhal shutdown failed - Connection is closed
[12:21] <ogra> s/eth/the/
[12:21] <pmvalente> hello
[12:22] <markvandenborre> ogra: k, will do
[12:22] <markvandenborre> pmvalente: hi
[12:22] <pmvalente> can you help me, I try that my thin clients mount theirs usb pen drives, but I can't
[12:23] <ogra> is the user in the fuse group ?
[12:23] <pmvalente> yes
[12:23] <ogra> well, then it should work out of the box
[12:23] <pmvalente> yes I know
[12:24] <ogra> doesnt it work at all or only for specific users or at specific times ?
[12:24] <pmvalente> just a second
[12:24] <ogra> and is your usb key partitioned ... ltspfs doesnt handle unpartitioned keys
[12:25] <pmvalente> yes
[12:25] <pmvalente> is partitioned
[12:25] <ogra> did you do any tweaks through lts.conf ?
[12:26] <pmvalente> nothing
[12:26] <ogra> (shouldnt be used if you dont need to override any of teh defaults)
[12:26] <ogra> ok
[12:26] <ogra> is this gutsy ? 7.10 ?
[12:27] <pmvalente> I log with differents users and in diferents machines but the result is the same, no usb on desktop
[12:27] <ogra> is this gutsy ? 7.10 ?
[12:27] <pmvalente> edubuntu
[12:27] <ogra> which version ?
[12:28] <pmvalente> yes is gutsy 7.10
[12:28] <ogra> ok
[12:28] <ogra> create /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
[12:28] <ogra> add the following content:
[12:28] <ogra> [default]
[12:28] <ogra>     SCREEN_07=ldm
[12:29] <ogra>     SCREEN_02=shell
[12:29] <ogra> then boot a client
[12:29] <ogra> with ctrl-alt-f2 you can swithc to a local console on the client to debug
[12:35] <pmvalente> no job control in this shell
[12:35] <ogra> great
[12:36] <ogra> now plug in your usb key and type dmesg right after that
[12:36] <ogra> see if it found the key (there should be messages about sdXX)
[12:36] <ogra> (likely sda1)
[12:39] <pmvalente> yes sdb1
[12:43] <ogra> right
[12:43] <pmvalente> and now please?
[12:44] <ogra> check if /var/run/drives/ contains a dir for it
[12:45] <pmvalente> yes it is
[12:45] <ogra> should be called something like usbdisk-sdb1
[12:45] <ogra> ok
[12:45] <pmvalente> no is a name
[12:45] <pmvalente> KINGSTON
[12:45] <ogra> switch to the graphical screen (ctrl-alt-f7) and log in there with a user you know is in the fuse group
[12:46] <pmvalente> done
[12:46] <ogra> replug the keys
[12:46] <ogra> *key
[12:47] <pmvalente> done
[12:47] <ogra> open a gnome-terminal in your X session and issue the mount command
[12:47] <ogra> or better: mount|grep ltsp
[12:48] <ogra> any output ?
[12:48] <pmvalente> yes
[12:48] <ogra> there should be two mounts
[12:49] <ogra> ltspfs on /tmp/.$USER-ltspfs/<diskname>
[12:49] <pmvalente> ltspfs on /tmp/.a24268-ltspfs/Trabalho type fuse.ltspfs (rw.....
[12:49] <ogra> and /tmp/.$USER-ltspfs/<diskname> on /media/...
[12:49] <pmvalente> yes
[12:49] <ogra> both are there ?
[12:49] <pmvalente> ye
[12:49] <ogra> so everything is fine with your local devices then
[12:50] <ogra> ther is no icon on your gnome desktop ?
[12:50] <pmvalente> sbut the USER on that output is different that the user that logs
[12:50] <ogra> aha
[12:50] <ogra> so it didnt work then
[12:50] <pmvalente> the user login is a24273
[12:51] <pmvalente> and the user on output is .24268-ltspfs ....
[12:51] <ogra> there is a bug in /usr/bin/ltspfsmounter that lets only one user mount properly, you need to delete a line in that script
[12:51] <ogra> open the script and look for a line containing DISPLAY
[12:52] <ogra> delete this line and try again
[12:52] <ogra> (i wasnt expecting a second user, else i'd have mentioned it earlier)
[12:55] <pmvalente> I can find that file ltspfsmounter
[12:55] <ogra> on the server
[12:55] <pmvalente> yes
[12:55] <pmvalente> /usr/bin ?
[12:55] <ogra> oh, sorry, tahts in sbin, not bin
[12:57] <pmvalente> need to restart something?
[12:58] <ogra> re-plug
[12:58] <pmvalente> ok
[12:58] <ogra> should start working right away
[12:59] <pmvalente> you are a GOD
[12:59] <pmvalente> thanks very much
[12:59] <pmvalente> its working
[12:59] <ogra> :)
[13:00] <pmvalente> keep the good working
[15:14] <markvandenborre> is there any reason why I would want to have gnome-power-manager installed on an edubuntu ltsp server?
[15:14] <ogra> saving power ?
[15:16] <markvandenborre> yeah, you're obviously right...
[15:59] <stmartin> hi! Can I ask u what is the use of OpenDNS?
[15:59] <stmartin> what is it for?
[16:03] <markvandenborre> stmartin: earning advertising dollars for the opendns people?
[16:03] <markvandenborre> nothing to do with edubuntu, that's for sure
[16:04] <stmartin> I have one problem. Here are the details. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=661770
[16:06] <markvandenborre> stmartin: come to #ubuntu, and I'll see what I can do to help you there
[16:06] <markvandenborre> your question belongs there more than here
[16:06] <stmartin> I am already there
[17:26] <pmvalente> as somebody know how to sort by user in users & group graphic manager
[17:36] <pmvalente> hello
[17:36] <pmvalente>  as anybody know how to sort by user in users & group graphic manager
[17:40] <pmvalente> please, as anybody know if is possible in user & groups manager to sort by users?
[17:46] <pmvalente>  as somebody know how to sort by user in users & group graphic manager
[18:13] <LaserJock> ogra: did ltsp get moved?
[18:14] <ogra> not tested yet, but i moved it today, yes
[18:14] <ogra> how's life for you ? there is a lot water around in your area i saw on TV
[18:14] <LaserJock> ah yes
[18:14] <LaserJock> we got quite a bit of snow
[18:14] <ogra> snow ?
[18:14] <LaserJock> yep
[18:14] <LaserJock> lots of rain too
[18:14] <ogra> dont you live at the edge of a desert ?
[18:15] <LaserJock> yep
[18:15] <LaserJock> but it is a high desert
[18:15] <ogra> ah
[18:15] <LaserJock> it doesn't often dump snow/rain
[18:15] <ogra> well, still that doesnt sound very usual
[18:15] <LaserJock> but when it does it does tend to do quite a bit
[18:16] <LaserJock> a levee broke in a canal ~30 miles away and flooded a town
[18:16] <LaserJock> they had to evacuate 4k people
[18:16] <ogra> yeah, we had that guy on tv for two days, moaning that he didnt think about a flooding insurance since he lives near a desert
[18:16] <LaserJock> heh
[18:18] <LaserJock> did you get my notes yesterday?
[18:19] <ogra> what did the squeak people say ?
[18:19] <LaserJock> well, I talked to them about Etoys
[18:19] <LaserJock> and trying to figure out the difference between all the various squeak images/frameworks
[18:19] <ogra> its a chaos
[18:20] <LaserJock> for Etoys apparently the actual framework is included in the regular squeak image
[18:20] <LaserJock> but it would be good to package up the squeakland image
[18:20] <LaserJock> the biggest news was that Apple has agreed to relicense squeak under Apache2.0
[18:21] <ogra> wohoo
[18:22] <ogra> that makes it ready for universe
[18:22] <ogra> at least :)
[18:22] <LaserJock> I'm not sure how long it's gonna take to get it all cleaned up
[18:22] <LaserJock> they have to get other contributors to agree and release a new version
[18:22] <LaserJock> but they're making a push to make as much as possible MIT even
[18:25] <LaserJock> at this point moving over to the Debian packages for squeak, and then packaging the seaside image and perhaps the OLPC image would be pretty cool
[18:27] <ogra> sounds like
[19:11] <LaserJock> ogra: \o/ \o/ \o/
[19:12] <LaserJock> I think dynamic menus work
[19:12] <stgraber> yeah !!!
[19:12] <stgraber> LaserJock: you managed to have the xdg thing working ?
[19:13] <LaserJock> I think so
[19:13] <LaserJock> yep, it looks to be working
[19:14] <LaserJock> I just need to replace export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="${BASE_DIR}" with export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="${BASE_DIR}":/etc/xdg/