[00:06] morning all :D [08:36] hiya [08:43] i need some help installing edubuntu 7.10, It's giving me an error that is holding up the whole installation [08:44] if anybody would be willing to help? It has to do with the Build LTSP chroot step of the installation [09:29] baksteen, i've never installed edubuntu, i just use the ltsp part of regular ubuntu, so i'm not sure how i can help with that [09:29] perhaps you can deselect ltsp for now and come back to it? [09:29] when more folks are about [11:45] Hi Richard [12:01] wouldn't it make sense to not use networkmanager on a thin client server, and just keep to /etc/network/interfaces? [12:02] at least in my case I mean... [12:03] but maybe even more in general, is that something to be considered from a stability point of view for a thin client server? [12:14] I have a stability problem with dbus and hal it seems: [12:14] Jan 8 10:33:27 edubuntu NetworkManager: nm_hal_deinit(): libhal shutdown failed - Connection is closed [12:14] and after that dbus seems to go tits up [12:14] well, edubuntu uses /e/n/i instead of NM for the thin client part [12:15] NM is still there since you can use it for the second spare NIC [12:15] indeed you can safely uninstall it but its also not used in a default edubuntu two NIC install [12:16] heh? not even on the nic where I have a dhcp client running? [12:16] err, indeed it is [12:17] but not on the client side [12:17] s/client/thin client [12:17] what consequences am I looking at by just moving the dhcp client nic on the server to /e/n/i instead of NM? [12:18] none [12:18] or is there anything I could help troubleshoot and still keep using NM, maybe helping edubuntu in the process? [12:18] NM should show you that it found no interfaces it can manage, thats all [12:18] well, we're just changing the whole CD setup [12:19] that means that the first edubuntu Cd will go away ... [12:19] I'll probably go /e/n/i to make the system more stable [12:19] but if I can help by looking at what goes wrong [12:19] so you have to use ubuntu alternate first (including ltsp now) and then add the edubuntu-desktop from an addon CD ... [12:19] before doing that, please tell me what info you'd like to have [12:19] that means indeed that NM is already there, coming from the ubuntu-desktop [12:20] so we'll have to stick with it ... [12:20] file bugs about issues you see so we can fix them :) [12:20] ouch, might be hard for a server [12:20] ubuntu-server doesnt have a desktop [12:21] anyhting in particular I should include? [12:21] I meant for a thin client server [12:21] logs :) [12:21] add LTSP somewhere in eth description or title, so the NM dev knows whom to poke (me) [12:21] I've found the exact second where things go wrong [12:21] and Jan 8 10:33:27 edubuntu NetworkManager: nm_hal_deinit(): libhal shutdown failed - Connection is closed [12:21] s/eth/the/ [12:21] hello [12:22] ogra: k, will do [12:22] pmvalente: hi [12:22] can you help me, I try that my thin clients mount theirs usb pen drives, but I can't [12:23] is the user in the fuse group ? [12:23] yes [12:23] well, then it should work out of the box [12:23] yes I know [12:24] doesnt it work at all or only for specific users or at specific times ? [12:24] just a second [12:24] and is your usb key partitioned ... ltspfs doesnt handle unpartitioned keys [12:25] yes [12:25] is partitioned [12:25] did you do any tweaks through lts.conf ? [12:26] nothing [12:26] (shouldnt be used if you dont need to override any of teh defaults) [12:26] ok [12:26] is this gutsy ? 7.10 ? [12:27] I log with differents users and in diferents machines but the result is the same, no usb on desktop [12:27] is this gutsy ? 7.10 ? [12:27] edubuntu [12:27] which version ? [12:28] yes is gutsy 7.10 [12:28] ok [12:28] create /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf [12:28] add the following content: [12:28] [default] [12:28] SCREEN_07=ldm [12:29] SCREEN_02=shell [12:29] then boot a client [12:29] with ctrl-alt-f2 you can swithc to a local console on the client to debug [12:35] no job control in this shell [12:35] great [12:36] now plug in your usb key and type dmesg right after that [12:36] see if it found the key (there should be messages about sdXX) [12:36] (likely sda1) [12:39] yes sdb1 [12:43] right [12:43] and now please? [12:44] check if /var/run/drives/ contains a dir for it [12:45] yes it is [12:45] should be called something like usbdisk-sdb1 [12:45] ok [12:45] no is a name [12:45] KINGSTON [12:45] switch to the graphical screen (ctrl-alt-f7) and log in there with a user you know is in the fuse group [12:46] done [12:46] replug the keys [12:46] *key [12:47] done [12:47] open a gnome-terminal in your X session and issue the mount command [12:47] or better: mount|grep ltsp [12:48] any output ? [12:48] yes [12:48] there should be two mounts [12:49] ltspfs on /tmp/.$USER-ltspfs/ [12:49] ltspfs on /tmp/.a24268-ltspfs/Trabalho type fuse.ltspfs (rw..... [12:49] and /tmp/.$USER-ltspfs/ on /media/... [12:49] yes [12:49] both are there ? [12:49] ye [12:49] so everything is fine with your local devices then [12:50] ther is no icon on your gnome desktop ? [12:50] sbut the USER on that output is different that the user that logs [12:50] aha [12:50] so it didnt work then [12:50] the user login is a24273 [12:51] and the user on output is .24268-ltspfs .... [12:51] there is a bug in /usr/bin/ltspfsmounter that lets only one user mount properly, you need to delete a line in that script [12:51] open the script and look for a line containing DISPLAY [12:52] delete this line and try again [12:52] (i wasnt expecting a second user, else i'd have mentioned it earlier) [12:55] I can find that file ltspfsmounter [12:55] on the server [12:55] yes [12:55] /usr/bin ? [12:55] oh, sorry, tahts in sbin, not bin [12:57] need to restart something? [12:58] re-plug [12:58] ok [12:58] should start working right away [12:59] you are a GOD [12:59] thanks very much [12:59] its working [12:59] :) [13:00] keep the good working === bluekuja__ is now known as bluekuja [15:14] is there any reason why I would want to have gnome-power-manager installed on an edubuntu ltsp server? [15:14] saving power ? [15:16] yeah, you're obviously right... [15:59] hi! Can I ask u what is the use of OpenDNS? [15:59] what is it for? [16:03] stmartin: earning advertising dollars for the opendns people? [16:03] nothing to do with edubuntu, that's for sure [16:04] I have one problem. Here are the details. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=661770 [16:06] stmartin: come to #ubuntu, and I'll see what I can do to help you there [16:06] your question belongs there more than here [16:06] I am already there [17:26] as somebody know how to sort by user in users & group graphic manager [17:36] hello [17:36] as anybody know how to sort by user in users & group graphic manager [17:40] please, as anybody know if is possible in user & groups manager to sort by users? [17:46] as somebody know how to sort by user in users & group graphic manager [18:13] ogra: did ltsp get moved? [18:14] not tested yet, but i moved it today, yes [18:14] how's life for you ? there is a lot water around in your area i saw on TV [18:14] ah yes [18:14] we got quite a bit of snow [18:14] snow ? [18:14] yep [18:14] lots of rain too [18:14] dont you live at the edge of a desert ? [18:15] yep [18:15] but it is a high desert [18:15] ah [18:15] it doesn't often dump snow/rain [18:15] well, still that doesnt sound very usual [18:15] but when it does it does tend to do quite a bit [18:16] a levee broke in a canal ~30 miles away and flooded a town [18:16] they had to evacuate 4k people [18:16] yeah, we had that guy on tv for two days, moaning that he didnt think about a flooding insurance since he lives near a desert [18:16] heh [18:18] did you get my notes yesterday? [18:19] what did the squeak people say ? [18:19] well, I talked to them about Etoys [18:19] and trying to figure out the difference between all the various squeak images/frameworks [18:19] its a chaos [18:20] for Etoys apparently the actual framework is included in the regular squeak image [18:20] but it would be good to package up the squeakland image [18:20] the biggest news was that Apple has agreed to relicense squeak under Apache2.0 [18:21] wohoo [18:22] that makes it ready for universe [18:22] at least :) [18:22] I'm not sure how long it's gonna take to get it all cleaned up [18:22] they have to get other contributors to agree and release a new version [18:22] but they're making a push to make as much as possible MIT even [18:25] at this point moving over to the Debian packages for squeak, and then packaging the seaside image and perhaps the OLPC image would be pretty cool [18:27] sounds like [19:11] ogra: \o/ \o/ \o/ [19:12] I think dynamic menus work [19:12] yeah !!! [19:12] LaserJock: you managed to have the xdg thing working ? [19:13] I think so [19:13] yep, it looks to be working [19:14] I just need to replace export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="${BASE_DIR}" with export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="${BASE_DIR}":/etc/xdg/ === Pricey is now known as PriceChild