=== jpetso_away is now known as jpetso [00:02] Vorian: if you want to, you need to fix the kmldonkey package with the updated cdbs/ directory, change Maintainer to Kubuntu Developers , add yourself as XSBC-Original-Maintainer, and then add export LDFLAGS+="-Wl,--as-needed" just above the kde.mk call in rules [00:02] nixternal: ok [00:03] * nixternal goes and watches our tornadic weather in January in Chicago in sane :p [00:03] you know it is messed up when it hits 66 in Chicago during Winter time [00:03] yah [00:03] it's hot here too [00:04] and there go the tornado sirens again [00:04] bbiaf [00:04] gotta watch :p [00:23] nixternal: still getting storms? [00:23] wife mentioned she is under a tornado watch [00:23] * jjesse is frankfort ky so doesn't know what is going on [01:21] anyone see the video from Bill G's keynote at CES? http://gizmodo.com/341472/this-video-makes-bill-gates-look-cooler-than-steve-jobs [01:22] that's right he's Big Pimpin Bill G [01:30] boo [01:31] * Jucato runs scared... yawning [01:31] morning Jucato [01:31] good evening jjesse :) [01:32] how arey ou? [01:33] I'm... umm.. ok :) [01:33] and you? :) [01:33] too early? [01:33] i'm doing good, back on the road again [01:33] btw i've been working on the adept docs a lot, lots of comits :) [01:34] ooh! I haven't read yet... btw... is there a way I can read it as a plain text, w/o the XML tags? :D [01:34] bah nvm.. I'm just being lazy lol [01:34] i would need a valid makefile to build [01:35] maybe nixternal can build me one? [01:35] he understands the process [01:35] nah nvm... I'll just read it... but um... what's the link to your branch again? :D [01:36] * Jucato seems to be losing his touch.... [01:37] bah, have to go... gotta stash away the christmas tree and stuff [01:37] code.launchpad.net/~jjesse/adept/documentation [01:38] thanks [01:41] * Jucato wonders what the c/ directories mean [01:43] c is for the language [01:43] i think [02:13] whooops, jjesse, our adept guide instructs users to use "sudo adept" :D [02:14] hrm kdesudo? [02:14] (of course there's no "adept" executable now, but "sudo" is equally wrong :D) [02:14] kdesu would be ok :) [02:15] jjesse: hmm wait... we have to be clear, is this handbook for Adept Manager? we might have to change &app and/or &appshort to reflect that, right? [02:15] correct [02:15] it doesn't? [02:16] ah &app is "Adept Package Manager" and &appshort is "Adept"... hm... ok I guess that would do :) [02:16] because the command would have to be "kdesu adept_manager" [02:16] ok will have to change it [02:17] * Jucato hugs jjesse [02:17] I'll see if I can send patches too :P [02:18] Wow. That's a ... unique ... username. [02:18] and get nothing during boot [02:18] :/ [02:18] ? [02:19] hey Hobbsee [02:19] hello Hobbsee [02:20] heya! [02:20] shouldn't documentation tell people to launch it from the menu? [02:20] yuriy: tell it from both [02:20] the menu and from the command line [02:21] * Jucato seconds jjesse :) [02:21] hi Hobbsee!!! [02:21] heya Jucato! [02:23] jjesse: meinproc index.docbook [02:23] nixternal: thanks, survive the tornamdo? [02:23] for adept handbook, that will build out the html with the kde settings [02:23] hiya nixternal!! :) [02:23] it was false alarms I think [02:23] it all went a bit south [02:23] ah bummer :) [02:23] got windy though [02:23] jjesse: the screenshots might now get linked properly though [02:24] (a.k.a. there seems to be some wrong paths...) [02:24] hrmm got lots off errors when i ran meinproc adeptdude.xml [02:24] will need to fix them [02:25] * Jucato nods [02:26] is it just me, or does Dolphin (KDE 4) launch 2 windows when I click on the K Menu entry, and it tries to open 2 non-existant directories, "KDE", and "4". (kubuntu-members-kde4 ppa) [02:26] must be just you [02:27] * Jucato sobs [02:28] do we have finished kde4 final packages yet? [02:28] not until next week right? [02:28] Hobbsee is excited :D [02:28] this friday (Jan 11) [02:28] i thought kubuntu had packages for it [02:28] * jjesse is looking to reload his laptop w/ kde4 final [02:29] * Jucato doesn't know what to do :) [02:29] * Hobbsee has unlimited connection here @ library, so... [02:29] oh, i'll update the daily cds [02:30] cheater :) [02:33] jucato: i get those two windows with dolphin as well [02:33] * jjesse can't really test it as he's currently running windows [02:33] so, which packages are we to install in hardy to get kde4? [02:33] does it all "just work" from a packaging side yet? [02:33] kubuntu-kde4-desktop [02:34] oh we have a metapackage now? kool [02:34] don't know for sure, but i thought i heard it that way? [02:34] does that fix kdm4 into working? [02:35] i thought we had it. [02:35] let me guess, Vorian is glued to the TV right now watching those nuts [02:35] jucato: plus, it looks for Home in the wrong dir. it is trying ~/KDE for Home, instead of the actual value in the bookmark [02:35] GO LSU! [02:35] nixternal: i had to take a break [02:35] hahaha [02:35] boo [02:36] i hate OSU [02:36] :'( [02:36] jjesse: where are you from? [02:36] I now know why they call it OS X, they obviously missed a letter or 2 [02:36] OSUX or OITSUX is more like it [02:36] Vorian: guess [02:36] GO BLUE! [02:36] oh sheesh [02:37] actually I think jjesse prefers Green [02:37] * Vorian vomits [02:37] * Hobbsee wonders if she forgot to new the binaries [02:37] well, I can live with blue [02:37] s/blue/green [02:37] :) [02:37] i actually hope OSU wins so the Big Ten doesn't look like a complete embarrasment [02:37] tlayton: no, it still goes to my $HOME, but initially, when you start Dolphin, it will open 2 windows, one is at ~/KDE, and one is at ~/4... neither folders exist [02:37] oh man, to late, I have you quoted, Ohio will throw you out of the their state now [02:37] nooooo [02:38] lots of kde4 langpacks [02:38] nixternal: was kmldonky ok? [02:39] umm, have to look...but tell me that you just zipped everything up into a .bz2 and didn't actually do a .orig.tar.bz2 [02:39] it apperas to be called kde4 [02:40] i did a mv tar.bz2 tro orig.tar.bz2 [02:40] damn rrrrrrrrrr key [02:40] its too touchy [02:40] oh, meh. [02:41] nah, to create an orig tarball, it has to be orig.tar.gz [02:41] late greeting Hobbsee :) [02:41] to do that, extract the upstream tarball [02:41] kde4 packages are extremely broken, dependancy wise [02:41] rename the directory if needed [02:41] ie. mv kmldonkey-4.0.0 kmldonkey-kde4-4.0.0 [02:41] cd cd into the new directory [02:42] then do -> dh_make -e your@email.address -f ../kmldonkey-4.0.0.tar.bz2 [02:42] that will create the debian/ directory and the .orig.tar.gz file for you [02:42] weee [02:42] ok [02:42] jjesse: the Active filters section might need a major rewrite... (I'm still in the reading and reviewing part... I'll try to see what I can write up later :P) [02:42] touchdown osu [02:42] jjesse: unless of course, you beet me too it [02:42] \o/ [02:42] er.. "beat me to it"* [02:42] Jucato: i think that guide needs a whole rewrite [02:42] also check out addremoveprograms [02:42] haha well, some parts are ok :) [02:43] eek I hate that :P [02:43] heh ok I'll try :P [02:43] the more i used to start documentating i the more istarted to like it [02:43] note i started to like it [02:43] :D [02:44] * Jucato just doesn't like the concept behind using a separate app-install database... [02:44] (an incomplete one, at that) [02:44] hrmm i didn't know there was a seperate database [02:45] :P [02:45] for add remove then adept/apt? [02:45] yep [02:45] !info app-install-data [02:45] interesting [02:45] app-install-data: Ubuntu applications (data files). In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.7 (gutsy), package size 5526 kB, installed size 17952 kB [02:45] that's what Add/Remove (Ubuntu and Kubuntu) uses [02:45] i like the optional part of it :) [02:46] it doesn't list everything that's in the app database itself, just a select number, probably to give more description or metadata [02:46] well, it's not entirely optional in the case of add/remove... :) [02:46] it's a required dependency of adept-installer :P [02:50] * Hobbsee finally writes a .bz2 to .gz conversion script [02:51] :D [02:51] python? or bash? :) [02:51] or perl? bwahah! [02:51] * Jucato keeps quiet now [02:52] bash [02:52] might convert it to python later [02:57] Hobbsee: that is actually a good idea [02:57] right now I copy and paste from knotes when I do it :p [02:57] wtf, why didn't I ever think about tossing something in /usr/local/bin to do it...I am such a moron [02:58] ooh, i win. [02:59] i think [02:59] * Jucato pets nixternal... you have your days :) [02:59] or nights :) [02:59] ya, but everyday is my day [02:59] every night is my day :) [02:59] my enthusiasm has gone to crap recently [02:59] ok nixternal , re-sent [02:59] I don't feel innovative with any idea [02:59] actually, I haven't even come with up an idea lately [03:00] I think the hamster in my head died [03:00] ouch... I was about to laud you on your renewed efforts on Kubuntu actually :) [03:00] * Jucato prepares the funeral rites then... [03:00] lol [03:00] I was just gonna have him creamated, then roll up his ashes and smoke um [03:00] lol [03:00] ew [03:00] * nixternal is watching Bill Gates keynote again [03:01] n8k99!!!!!! [03:01] happy new year! (I wasn't able to greet you) [03:01] * n8k99 waves at Jucato [03:01] nixternal: linky? :) [03:01] www.microsoft.com [03:01] lol [03:01] right on the front page [03:01] i was on a six week sabbatical [03:01] oh... needs silverlight right? [03:01] n8k99: nice! [03:02] you need silverass or whatever it is called to watch it in your browser, but there is a link right next to the window that you can grab the stream and watch it in a regular video player [03:02] sarah@LongPointyStick:/devel/current% bunzip2gz 2:02PM [03:02] libkexiv2_0.1.6-1 [03:02] yup i was playing with compiz and gnome while out of school [03:02] * Hobbsee triumps over basename. [03:02] n8k99: not nice [03:02] :D [03:02] n8k99: you have a tablet pc right? [03:03] it was ok at first but then, well, i needed my productivity back [03:03] yes, and i got the touchscreen working with the help of someone in malaysia [03:03] * Hobbsee wins properly! [03:03] oh kool! [03:03] grats Hobbsee! [03:04] n8k99: so there really are some compatibility problems when it comes to Linux/Ubuntu + Touchscreens? [03:04] yes [03:04] no and depends [03:05] oh... [03:05] ok :) [03:05] my solution was ultimately enabling 'touch panel' instead of 'tablet' in BIOS [03:05] coz I might (if my dreams come true) get a UMPC... of course it runs Vista... so... :/ [03:05] which one are you looking at? [03:06] a Gigabyte U60... [03:06] who makes that? [03:06] there are only 2 locally available UMPC's... Gigabyte U60 and Sony VAIO UX... [03:06] Gigabyte :) [03:06] oh duh! [03:07] http://www.buyqube.com/U60Notebook.htm da speks [03:07] it costs around half the price of a Sony VAIO... so... [03:07] but still 2x as much as a Nokia tablet.. :( [03:09] yup a paid double a new Nokia tablet [03:10] s/I/a [03:10] that looks like it may have the same screen in it that I have [03:10] I want an N810!!! (or even just a N800 please?) :( [03:11] the real pain is once you get the evtouch driver to cooperate you have to guesswork the xorg settings [03:11] oh... I would hate that :( [03:11] shh, but I really one :p [03:11] damn video keeps locking up [03:11] n8k99: what's the model/brand of your tablet pc btw? [03:12] nixternal: you really one? [03:12] fujitsu u810 [03:12] the Bill Gates video is freakin' great on what his life will be like when he leaves Microsoft [03:12] it's the u1010 in asia [03:12] no I don't have one [03:12] shh, but I really one :p [03:12] s/one/won [03:12] damn, spelling made me lose [03:12] lol :P [03:12] n8k99: oh I see... [03:12] * Jucato looks [03:12] * nixternal grabs the long pointy stick of doom really really quick [03:13] * nixternal runs like a dart [03:13] RUN FOREST RUN! [03:13] Hobbsee didn't notice yet... [03:13] ooops [03:13] nixternal: is that a dodge dart? [03:13] hehe [03:13] n8k99: oh wow!! this one? http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080107-fujtisu-ultramobile-marries-eee-form-factor-with-tablet-pc.html [03:14] i'm getting this error with ligature [03:14] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51172/ Blitz_DIR [03:14] Jucato: yes that's teh one [03:14] ouch.... [03:15] i read something about creating a BlitzConfig.mk file [03:15] any ideas? [03:15] :) [03:17] Jucato this is actually mine http://so.nacreo.us/2007/11/on-video_28.html [03:27] * Jucato heads for lunch [03:27] n8k99: nice :) [03:27] enjoy lunch [03:29] finally a break! [03:31] Vorian: OK, 2 things left with kmldonkey and you should be golden: [03:31] roger [03:31] 1) debian/cdbs/ directory needs these 2 files only -> http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/cdbs/ [03:31] 1st [03:32] so - utils [03:32] ok [03:32] 2) break up your lines in debian/control to 80 columns wide, add a full description [03:32] alrighty [03:33] break the line after kdelibs5-dev, so right after that comma hit enter and then add a space before the libplasma-dev [03:33] then it should be damn close to golden [03:34] I made myself sick looking at your copyright file, so that usually means it has to be correct :p [03:34] I hate copyright files when they have anything other than GPL [03:34] Hobbsee: does CC licenses meet DFSG? [03:34] i think so [03:34] * Hobbsee runs off [03:35] plugins/infowidget/geoip/*.png [03:35] Flag images found at http://www.hahn-hotel.com/flags/ [03:35] "All sets provided by us are free to use to anyone, for commercial or [03:35] non-commercial websites." [03:35] However, the author has confirmed that they can be used under this Creative [03:35] Commons License: [03:35] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/de/ [03:35] shiznit [03:35] notice the quote, just says you are free to use, not free to modify [03:36] that right there won't pass DFSG [03:38] nixternal: this app has poo for descriptions [03:38] Vorian: how come I don't see plugins/infowidget/geoip? anywhere in this archive? [03:39] there wern't any in the tarball [03:40] where did you get that line from then in the copyright file? [03:40] nixternal: oops [03:40] :) [03:40] * Vorian edits [03:41] ok, ya so all of that CC stuff needs to go, and I just deleted the damn directory ;P [03:41] look at the source copyright [03:41] COPYING is GPL v2 [03:42] yeah [03:43] everything in that entire package is GPL v2 [03:43] those nutters put a crazy trailer at the end of their copyright [03:45] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51175/ [03:45] that is the copyright header info for every file in that package [03:46] the word 'creativecommons' is not found anywhere in there though [03:47] nixternal: how did you extract those? [03:48] licensecheck [03:48] I think that is in debscripts [03:49] licensecheck --copyright * [03:49] in root directory of the application [03:51] * nixternal goes to play some call of duty 4 [04:22] ok nixternal, you should have some mail === uga__ is now known as uga [07:45] Riddell, imbrandon: can one of you please upload http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/amarok/debian/revision/173 [07:46] ...when the free is lifted ;-) === \sh_away is now known as \sh [09:41] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_ [09:41] yo _StefanS_ ! [09:41] brb, just a moment [09:49] <\sh> moins ton [09:49] <\sh> tonio [10:15] nixternal: those flags are CC (of some acceptable sort) [10:15] CC is not DFSG free but it is fine in ubuntu [10:16] re [10:16] hi Riddell [10:16] salut Tonio_ [10:19] Riddell: I was discussing with some collegues about fosdem [10:19] Riddell: will you be there this year ? I might [10:19] Tonio_: yes, should be [10:19] ho that would be super ! [10:22] Riddell: you'll be at the kubuntu booth I guess ? [10:22] Riddell: if so may I be at the booth with you ? [10:24] Tonio_: there is no Kubuntu stall [10:25] Riddell: sad :/ [10:26] Riddell: well in any case I might see you and a couple of other guys there, which is good :) [10:34] <\sh> Tonio_: did you see that pykdeextensions re-implemented kdepyuic in the correct ways? [10:46] \sh: yeah === \sh is now known as \sh_away [10:47] \sh: you mean the package ? it has been built and kdepyuic is correct now [10:47] \sh_away: guidance has been built with it [10:47] \sh_away: or are you talking about upstream that previously fixed it ? [10:51] apache|mobile: amarok uploaded [10:52] Riddell: thanks [11:00] Riddell: where is 4.0 (the rest of it?) [11:02] Hobbsee: on my hard disk [11:02] Riddell: when can we have it? [11:02] and does it Just Work (tm) now? [11:04] should just work, it's not that different from the upload in currently [11:04] I'll upload closer to release time [11:05] ah right [11:25] Man, what a week... and it's only Tuesday. [11:27] I had someone ask me if I was interested in a contract position at Boeing working with Python and Qt. I hate turning down neat opportunities like that. Anybody interested in moving to Washington state? heh [11:29] Riddell: Are you near the country? [11:30] Riddell: can you please also backport to ubuntu2~gutsy1? [11:31] Riddell: Release time is Friday, before noon it seems, btw. :) [11:31] UTC-ish [11:31] manchicken: not until next week [11:32] apache|mobile: amarok? ok [11:32] Riddell: You're in Mountain View? [11:32] sebas: will be [11:32] Riddell: yep [11:32] Riddell: Cool :) [11:33] initial bug report actually was for the backport ;-) [11:33] Riddell: Do you know about how much hotels are in the Scottish country-side? My folks are gonna be having their 30th wedding anniversary next year and I thought that a trip to the picturesque Scottish country-side would be a nice gift. [11:34] manchicken: as much as you want to pay really :) [11:34] Riddell: Well if you're anywhere near Mahomet, IL, let me know. You're more than welcome to come visit :) [11:34] manchicken: plenty of cheapish bed and breakfasts about, plenty of expensive places too [11:34] Riddell: What if I want a fantastic room but I'm not looking to pay anything? [11:34] manchicken: visitscotland.com is the main website [11:34] Is it? Thanks, I'll look there. [11:34] manchicken: they can stay in the spare room in my flat [11:34] heh [11:35] I don't know if you'd be keen on having my dad in your place. He's a great guy, but I don't recommend living with him. [11:35] But then again, I never was much for living with other people. Dacia's the only person I've ever really been able to live with well. [11:36] heh [11:36] manchicken: what about that bairn you live with? [11:36] * Tm_T is totally family person [11:36] Bairn? [11:36] wean [11:36] * manchicken doesn't know what a Bairn is... [11:37] wee ane [11:37] The baby? [11:37] aye [11:37] It's easy to live with the baby before it's born. Ask again once it's come out. [11:38] It should really be here any day now. [11:38] babies <3 [11:38] We're 39 weeks, and pregnancies go up to 40 weeks on average from what I understand. [11:38] manchicken: it will be exhausting, but sooo rewarding [11:38] We're due on Monday the 14th. [11:38] Tm_T: Sounds like the rest of life. [11:38] :) [11:38] manchicken: aye [11:39] manchicken: ooh ooh, lets have him come out on friday morning, then you can name him kde 4.0 [11:39] But at least the baby won't be as boring as some other parts of life. [11:39] Riddell: awww [11:39] Riddell: heh [11:39] manchicken: boring, no, noisy in some cases, definately [11:39] Riddell: We're nick-naming him "Badger," after that one badger song by weebls-stuff.co.uk [11:40] * Tm_T is feeling older every day [11:40] Riddell: My first brown ale is going to be called "Badger Brown" [11:40] Tm_T: Noisy is okay. I'm just not interested in boring. [11:40] Enough of life is already boring. [11:40] manchicken: hehe [11:40] I still can't believe I got up at 4:30 this morning. [11:40] It's gotta be this stupid thunder storm. [11:41] manchicken: oh, get used to it [11:41] manchicken: and 2 hour sleeps tops [11:41] Something wrong with a thunderstorm in January. [11:41] Tm_T: That doesn't sound too bad. [11:41] I'll just sleep like the baby. [11:41] Lots of naps :) [11:41] unless babies have changed dramatically since 20's [11:41] 20s? [11:42] yes [11:42] 1920s? [11:42] yes [11:42] You had a baby in the 1920s? [11:42] yes [11:42] Wow. [11:42] I didn't know that about you. [11:42] Doesn't that put you in your 90s? [11:42] more like 110 [11:43] Nice. [11:43] Are you serious? [11:43] I'm very serious about this, in some weird way [11:43] to be honest, no, I don't have kids on my own, yet [11:44] manchicken: I just often feel like I did born 1895 [11:44] and why not [11:45]