| mebrown | cjwatson, welcome back. | 00:22 |
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| mebrown | evand, cjwatson We are going to be going with an explicit echo "d-i languagechooser/language-name ..." | debconf-set-selections | 00:22 |
| mebrown | the main thing that I was concerned about (for my information), was why my offline testing didnt work | 00:23 |
| mebrown | when I did the debconf-set-selections and ran "oem-config" in an already-installed OS, it never worked. But when I did the exact same script as part of post-install script it worked | 00:24 |
| twb | cjwatson: I've had problems recently with Gutsy, it seems by default /etc/network/interfaces last line, "iface eth0 inet dhcp" is commented out. Any idea what's going on? | 05:40 |
| twb | I vaguely suspect NM because it has caused problems for me on Debian. | 05:40 |
| twb | (i.e. prejudice) | 05:41 |
| cjwatson | twb: it's intentionally commented out if (and only if) network-manager is going to be installed, because otherwise they interfere | 09:37 |
| xivulon | cjwatson re city selector interface in ubiquity, I was looking this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrFz7IxXppU (1m10s) | 10:40 |
| cjwatson | xivulon: you sure that's the right one? that's 3m20s and is about kwin composite effects | 10:44 |
| xivulon | yep go to 1min 10 sec | 10:44 |
| xivulon | it's just the idea of the magnifier, does not need composite to be implemented | 10:44 |
| xivulon | if you have 2 images of different resolution should be easy to put togethter | 10:45 |
| cjwatson | ah. somebody with time is welcome to try it :-) | 10:45 |
| xivulon | once I am in a good shape with wubi i'll give it a go, that should be pygtk correct? | 11:02 |
| cjwatson | yes | 11:15 |
| cjwatson | or in the underlying C code | 11:15 |
| mpt | xivulon, yes, that's kind of like what I suggested at UDS -- when you're outside the map area you see the whole map, but when you're inside the area you're auto-scrolling through a zoomed-in version | 11:34 |
| xivulon | mpt I'll see if I can implement a sample | 11:38 |
| mpt | So, if the map area is X pixels wide and Y high | 11:39 |
| mpt | When you're hovering over (0,0), the area should show a zoomed-in version of the ((0,0), (X/n, Y/n)) part of the map | 11:40 |
| xivulon | yep | 11:41 |
| mpt | When you're hovering over (X,Y) (the bottom-right pixel), the area should show a zoomed-in version of the ((X-X/n, Y-Y/n), (X,Y)) part of the map | 11:42 |
| mpt | etc | 11:42 |
| mpt | Where n = 2 or thereabouts | 11:42 |
| twb | cjwatson: on the host in question, NM *was* installed, but nis didn't work at all until I uncommented the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces. | 12:12 |
| twb | I imagine from the user's report that ypbind just sat there until it timed out and was backgrounded. Certainly logging in as root to enable /e/n/interfaces took deciseconds. | 12:13 |
| twb | Perhaps NM simply doesn't work with NIS, or NM is activated after NIS. | 12:14 |
| cjwatson | it wouldn't surprise me if hardly anyone else has tried NM with NIS | 12:15 |
| twb | Grumble | 12:57 |
| soren | Yeah. NIS only really works if you expect to always be connected to the same network. network-manager is made for the exact opposite use case. | 12:58 |
| twb | ...and yet NM is installed by default | 12:59 |
| twb | I guess I must have told the users to install NIS by hand. | 12:59 |
| soren | And nis isn't. | 12:59 |
| twb | I can tell them to purge nm at the same time | 12:59 |
| tjaalton | I'm having hard time installing hardy atm. netboot fails with "Couldn't find task {minimal,standard}" | 13:09 |
| tjaalton | probably known already? | 13:09 |
| twb | That sounds like a bashism | 13:09 |
| twb | (Just guessing, really.) | 13:10 |
| tjaalton | there are two errors, one with "minimal", the other with "standard" :) | 13:10 |
| twb | Oh, never mind then. | 13:10 |
| tjaalton | I tried to be clever.. | 13:10 |
| === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson | ||
| cjwatson | which mirror? | 13:14 |
| cjwatson | those tasks seem to exist in the master archive | 13:15 |
| tjaalton | local, I'll update it again.. | 13:15 |
| cjwatson | check for Task: lines in the Packages file | 13:16 |
| cjwatson | also check syslog to ensure it did actually find your mirror successfully; I could imagine that that error might happen if apt-setup broke somehow | 13:16 |
| tjaalton | now it fails to find kernel modules :) | 13:22 |
| tjaalton | but it does use our mirror | 13:22 |
| tjaalton | so d-i just needs an upload to use -3? | 14:17 |
| CIA-48 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r865 ubuntu/ (10 files in 4 dirs): * Move to 2.6.24-3 kernels. | 14:19 |
| tjaalton | hehe | 14:19 |
| CIA-48 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r865 ubuntu/ (10 files in 4 dirs): * Move to 2.6.24-3 kernels. | 14:19 |
| cjwatson | ha, timing | 14:19 |
| cjwatson | the second one was because CIA said ENOSPC (at the remote end I assume) and I didn't bother checking whether the message had actually made it | 14:20 |
| CIA-48 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r866 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20070308ubuntu25 | 14:24 |
| evand | regarding scrolling a zoomed tzmap, I'm actually working on that functionality now (while I work on more important things), as I have to work with the tzmap to fit ubiquity in 800x600 anyway. | 15:16 |
| xivulon | evand in the scheme suggested by mpt the map does not pan and there are no scrollbars/buttons, have a look at the video | 15:41 |
| xivulon | I can send you some cairo/pygtk code in the coming days if you wish | 15:41 |
| evand | mpt: can you clarify? Are you talking about the entire map being zoomed in or just a boxed portion, like a magnifying glass? | 15:43 |
| mpt | xivulon, I'm not sure what you mean by "the map does not pan" | 15:43 |
| mpt | but I agree it shouldn't have scrollbars/buttons | 15:43 |
| xivulon | magnifying glass | 15:43 |
| mpt | but the magnifying glass area being the map area itself | 15:44 |
| xivulon | while the full world does not move | 15:44 |
| evand | my plan was to make the map permanently zoomed in, and have the map move as you move toward an edge. I thought this was in line with what we discussed at UDS, someone please correct me if I'm wrong. | 15:44 |
| evand | to further clarify, there would be no scrollbars | 15:44 |
| mpt | evand, my suggestion was to have the map zoomed out when you're not mousing over it, and zoomed in when you are | 15:45 |
| xivulon | I guess I resumed the original mpt proposal after looking at the video | 15:45 |
| mpt | I probably didn't express myself very well | 15:45 |
| mpt | I could draw some sketches if it would help :-) | 15:45 |
| xivulon | evand see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrFz7IxXppU | 15:45 |
| xivulon | 1min 10 sec | 15:45 |
| evand | mpt: if you have the time it would be very much appreciated. We lost some of the notes from that session and I've been working off of memory. | 15:46 |
| evand | xivulon: I already watched it. I see what you're saying, but that's fundamentally different from what I thought was the plan. But I'll wait for mpt's sketch before I assume I know exactly what that was :) | 15:48 |
| * mpt should have brought his inky pen to the office | 15:51 | |
| mpt | evand, e-mailed | 16:12 |
| evand | mpt: thanks, that definitely helps! | 16:16 |
| evand | do you mind if I put this on the specification? | 16:16 |
| xivulon | I have started a pygtk widget if it is of any help | 16:17 |
| mpt | evand, that's fine | 16:18 |
| mebrown | evand, ping. | 16:19 |
| mebrown | evand, are there any plans to make the preseed file language independent? | 16:19 |
| evand | mebrown: can you elaborate? You can preseed when locale is set to something other than English, you just use the English keys in your preseed file. | 16:22 |
| mebrown | evand, there are several places in the preseed where the string value is equal to what the GUI displays | 16:23 |
| mebrown | evand, and if you change language those parts of the preseed brak | 16:23 |
| mebrown | break | 16:23 |
| evand | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyUbiquityUsability has been updated. Thanks again mpt. | 16:23 |
| mebrown | specifically partitioning and X | 16:23 |
| evand | mebrown: Are you sure these are not broken elsewhere? I was able to preseed partitioner questions when using debian-installer/locale=zh_CN | 16:25 |
| mebrown | evand, I had a working preseed. Exactly one change to language broke it. (fails at partitioning) | 16:25 |
| mebrown | I saw something somewhere about them being locale specific | 16:25 |
| evand | hrmm | 16:26 |
| mebrown | http://pastebin.com/m758c0d2e | 16:26 |
| mebrown | the preseed in question | 16:26 |
| mebrown | when I change locale to zh_CN, partitioning fails (7.10, here) | 16:27 |
| mebrown | It will be a couple weeks before I can start testing hardy | 16:27 |
| === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson | ||
| cjwatson | partman is special, in every sense of the word | 16:29 |
| evand | haha | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | but you should be able to work around it by preseeding the Chinese equivalent | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | which is obviously annoyingly unreliable, but should be a workaround | 16:29 |
| mebrown | cjwatson, something like a feature request: | 16:30 |
| mebrown | specify preseed language independent of installer langauge | 16:30 |
| evand | don't you need to preseed partman-auto/disk, or does it assume you mean the first one it finds? | 16:30 |
| mebrown | independent of final system locale | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | mebrown: yes, I am definitely familiar with the issue, it's just complex to fix | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | it is ONLY the partitioner | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | and only when you're asking it to partition free space as opposed to the whole disk | 16:31 |
| mebrown | cjwatson, any way to just call 'gettext' on any of the string values that need localization? | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | if you're partitioning the whole disk, as Evan says, you use partman-auto/disk which doesn't require i18n | 16:31 |
| mebrown | cjwatson, now thats funny. | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | mebrown: the installer doesn't use gettext, and not really | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | I can try to find you a better workaround | 16:31 |
| evand | ah, which would explain why it worked for me. | 16:31 |
| mebrown | cjwatson, I think we discussed this before, but I dont have a bug open: would like to be able to specify partitioning better in preseed. | 16:32 |
| mebrown | right now, I have an early_script that does the partitioning | 16:32 |
| mebrown | which is just wonky | 16:32 |
| mebrown | and: we have had a couple things pop up on our mailing list | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | the right fix is to make it possible to preseed it as biggest_free (the underlying identifier) rather than as "Guided - use the largest continuous free space" | 16:32 |
| mebrown | cjwatson, agreed on that part, except: | 16:32 |
| mebrown | for our factory install, I know that I want to keep /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 and blow away everything else | 16:33 |
| mebrown | and on the mailing lists, some people want to install to things like LVM or even encrypted lvm | 16:33 |
| mebrown | and would be nice if they could specify that in the preseed. | 16:33 |
| cjwatson | right, I'm sorry but it'll be a while before we have that (not enough people are working on the partitioner as yet); it certainly isn't just you asking for that kind of thing :-/ | 16:34 |
| mebrown | cjwatson, well, we have a working solution right now, so it is a feature request wishlist item | 16:34 |
| mebrown | cjwatson, and it would be nice if the (I count 4) places in the preseed where it is locale-sensitive could be fixed | 16:34 |
| mebrown | so I can just specify locale in the preseed. | 16:34 |
| mebrown | and then... | 16:35 |
| mebrown | fix up firstboot so I dont have to separately specify language/keyboard there. | 16:35 |
| cjwatson | I see 2 in yours, one of which is unnecessary | 16:35 |
| mebrown | ? | 16:35 |
| mebrown | 2 partitioning and 2 xorg | 16:35 |
| cjwatson | partman-auto/init_automatically_partition (necessary) and partman-auto/choose_recipe (you're just preseeding the default, so why bother?) | 16:35 |
| cjwatson | are you *sure* those xorg questions are locale-sensitive? that very much surprises me | 16:36 |
| mebrown | so it should work ok if I remove the choose_recipe? I dont have a test system handy now, will test later. | 16:36 |
| mebrown | cjwatson, an assumption on my part | 16:36 |
| mebrown | they *look* similar to the partitioning stuff | 16:37 |
| cjwatson | they do, but it's the underlying code that matters. partitioning only suffers from this because the underlying code is very very weird and nonstandard. | 16:37 |
| cjwatson | (because it's trying to solve complex problems and doing stuff that the debconf system wasn't really designed to do) | 16:38 |
| cjwatson | you can definitely remove partman-auto/choose_recipe | 16:38 |
| mebrown | ok | 16:38 |
| cjwatson | on oem-config, yes, though that will happen first. I asked evand to take care of that one. | 16:39 |
| cjwatson | I left a comment in /lib/partman/lib/base.sh a while back about the problem you're running into | 16:40 |
| mebrown | just have it come up by default in the system language? (/etc/defaults/locale) | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | # TODO: This can be preseeded without having to use translated | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | # values (which are often inappropriate for preseeding across many | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | # machines due to including e.g. disk capacities) but it's nasty; | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | # you have to use runes like | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | # "20some_device__________/var/lib/partman/devices/=dev=sda". | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | # We could do with an abbreviated syntax. | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | mebrown: something needs to take care of copying the question in; once that happens it will work | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | the problem is that nothing copies preseeding across for the benefit of oem-config | 16:41 |
| mebrown | but, question: | 16:41 |
| mebrown | I was on an installed, running system | 16:41 |
| mebrown | and was running oem-config manually to test | 16:41 |
| mebrown | and when I ran echo ... | debconf-set-selections | 16:41 |
| mebrown | it had no effect | 16:41 |
| cjwatson | you said you were preseeding languagechooser/language-name. I really recommend not doing that. The variable exposed for preseeding is debian-installer/locale. | 16:42 |
| cjwatson | I suspect some slight difference around there was your problem | 16:42 |
| evand | the suggestion of languagechooser/language-name was my fault | 16:42 |
| cjwatson | languagechooser/language-name gets set internally by localechooser depending on the exact code path you hit and is not guaranteed to respect preseeding | 16:42 |
| mebrown | evand, no it wasnt. | 16:43 |
| evand | it wasn't? | 16:43 |
| mebrown | evand, I was reading the code and that is what I came up with | 16:43 |
| mebrown | before you made your suggestion on sat morning, I had been playing around for hours on friday with that variable | 16:43 |
| evand | ah, fair enough | 16:43 |
| mebrown | I just never got it to work until your suggestion to do it in post | 16:43 |
| cjwatson | I agree with doing it in a post-install script for now | 16:44 |
| cjwatson | but we'll fix the bug that requires that | 16:44 |
| mebrown | cjwatson, the code already went to the factory, as we were over our deadline. we are using languagechooser/language-name for now. | 16:44 |
| mebrown | ok | 16:44 |
| mebrown | cjwatson, so: the final solution to this (implemented for hardy?) is that I can set debian-installer/locale and get everything to Just Work(TM)? | 16:45 |
| mebrown | Do I need to open up any launchpads on these? | 16:46 |
| cjwatson | I've filed bug 181291 | 16:48 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 181291 in oem-config "preseeded locale etc. not propagated to oem-config" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181291 | 16:48 |
| cjwatson | and tentatively assigned to evand since he said yesterday that was ok | 16:49 |
| evand | yup, already working on it | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | mebrown: though I have not yet tested it, it's my belief that setting debian-installer/locale in a post-install script will work fine even for gutsy. Yes, the intent for hardy is that just setting debian-installer/locale in the preseed file should work without further post-install fiddling. | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | (regardless of exactly how that is achieved) | 16:50 |
| mebrown | so: another bug about the localized partitioning to make it complete? | 16:50 |
| mebrown | thanks for the help. (especially saturday help from evand) | 16:51 |
| evand | anytime | 16:51 |
| mebrown | next thing I noticed while working on this: | 16:52 |
| mebrown | the list of keyboard layouts is not localized. | 16:52 |
| mebrown | which was great for me testing, but would suck if you *only* speak mandarin | 16:52 |
| mebrown | and also: I did a *quick* test, so I may have gotten it wrong, but I tried to enter chinese chars in the last screen (and only screen that accepts keyboard input, thankfully) for username and it didnt work. | 16:54 |
| cjwatson | yes, a bug on partman-base about the general mess that is partman preseeding would be good | 16:56 |
| cjwatson | keyboard layout localisation is known and indeed is a blocker to Debian switching to the same system | 16:57 |
| cjwatson | bug 127528 | 16:57 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 127528 in console-setup "keyboard layout chooser not localized" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127528 | 16:57 |
| cjwatson | what went wrong with Chinese entry on the username page? was the problem that it didn't have a working input method (my suspicion) or did it let you enter Chinese characters but then break? | 16:58 |
| mebrown | I could not find a way to even enter chinese chars | 16:59 |
| mebrown | I dont know chinese, but iirc, <ctrl>-space normally turns into chinese mode | 17:00 |
| mebrown | and then you can enter gobbledy-gook | 17:00 |
| mebrown | question: where to enter bugs in partman-base? | 17:01 |
| mebrown | "partman-base does not use Launchpad as its bug tracker." | 17:01 |
| cjwatson | /ubuntu/+source/partman-base rather than /partman-base | 17:02 |
| cjwatson | or start at bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu and enter partman-base as the source package | 17:02 |
| cjwatson | ctrl-space requires an input method to be active. I strongly suspect that oem-config isn't activating one. (That's a bug, and one I hadn't heard of before now, so yes, please do file it ...) | 17:03 |
| mebrown | https://bugs.launchpad.net/dell/+bug/181296 | 17:09 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 181296 in partman-base "partman preseeding should not require localized strings" [Undecided,New] | 17:09 |
| Ubotwo | Launchpad bug 181296 in partman-base "partman preseeding should not require localized strings" [Undecided,New] | 17:09 |
| xivulon | cjwatson, mpt, evand, have done a preliminary widget for the location selector | 21:33 |
| xivulon | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51260/ | 21:33 |
| xivulon | You need the pixmap http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/download/supermario%40portablemario-20071225071604-qg5aa8kt510412xl/world_map960.png-20060222230952-12b3a9101a91fc15/world_map-960.png | 21:36 |
| xivulon | within the same directory | 21:36 |
| cjwatson | cool; it's for evand to deal with though :) | 21:48 |
| evand | heh, indeed and thanks. I'll take a look at it after I finish up an email to ubuntu-devel-discuss. | 21:59 |
| xivulon | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51266/ | 22:10 |
| xivulon | added click event | 22:10 |
| xivulon | evand, you owe me a beer then | 22:11 |
| xivulon | I'll settle if you merge in the wubi tagged bugs though ;) | 22:11 |
| xivulon | draw_map is a sink of resource (don't think there is a need to re-render the background at each refresh) if that is optimized responsiveness will improve | 22:20 |
| xivulon | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51267/ | 22:26 |
| xivulon | last | 22:26 |
| xivulon | evand, cjwaton have moved the map widget code to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/zoom-map-widget | 23:58 |
| xivulon | cjwatson | 23:58 |
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