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| zul | @schedule montreal | 14:59 |
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| ubotu | Schedule for America/Montreal: 09 Jan 15:00: Edubuntu meeting | 10 Jan 09:00: Desktop Team Development | 16 Jan 07:00: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 07:00: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 09:00: Desktop Team Development | 18 Jan 07:00: MOTU | 14:59 |
| zul | @schedule now | 15:00 |
| soren | @now | 15:03 |
| ubotu | Current time in Etc/UTC: January 08 2008, 15:03:08 - Next meeting: Edubuntu meeting in 1 day | 15:03 |
| soren | zul: ^^ That's how you do it. | 15:03 |
| zul | yeah i wasnt paying attention | 15:03 |
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| mathiaz | Hi everyone ! | 15:58 |
| sommer | hello | 15:58 |
| zul | heylo | 15:58 |
| * jdstrand waves | 15:59 | |
| nijaba | Hello and happy new year | 15:59 |
| * nealmcb waves | 15:59 | |
| * nealmcb is having too much fun with his olpc :-) | 15:59 | |
| * soren wanders in | 15:59 | |
| * dantalizin1 looks up from his desk | 16:00 | |
| jdstrand | nealmcb: I'm supposed to be getting one of those any day now | 16:00 |
| * sommer has one as well... very cool item | 16:01 | |
| nealmcb | jdstrand: mine came 4 days before the mail that said it was shipping.... | 16:01 |
| sommer | nealmcb: do you have ubuntu on it yet? | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | all right - let's get started then. | 16:01 |
| nealmcb | and I've now learned a bit of git and submitted my first patch | 16:01 |
| zul | i wanna an eepc | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | #startmeeting | 16:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 16:01. The chair is mathiaz. | 16:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | Welcome to the first ubuntu server team meeting of 2008 ! :) | 16:02 |
| nealmcb | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 16:02 |
| mathiaz | This is your 13th meeting... | 16:03 |
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| mathiaz | So there isn't much on the agenda - anyone wants to add something before we go through it ? | 16:03 |
| zul | nope | 16:03 |
| nealmcb | mathiaz: I guess an update on the postgrey bug | 16:04 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: bug number ? | 16:04 |
| nealmcb | I'll get it | 16:04 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Update on postgrey bug | 16:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Update on postgrey bug | 16:05 |
| nealmcb | mathiaz: this is the one that you escalated a month or so ago, last I recall it was still in proposed | 16:06 |
| nealmcb | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgrey/+bug/135038 | 16:06 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 135038 in db4.4 "postgrey fails regularly : "fatal: Can't call method "txn_commit" on an undefined value at /usr/sbin/postgrey line 223." (dup-of: 153996)" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:06 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 153996 in db4.4 "libdb4.4 in gutsy breaks postgrey and subversion" [High,Fix committed] | 16:07 |
| nealmcb | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/db4.4/+bug/153996 | 16:07 |
| mathiaz | So I think it's just that the archive admins have been busy | 16:08 |
| nealmcb | I know we don't like to use the meeting for bugs, so we can move on, but it was on my mind - surprising it hasn't been included yet | 16:08 |
| nealmcb | yeah - I understand busy :-) | 16:08 |
| mathiaz | I'll ask pitti about it. | 16:09 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] mathiaz will ask pitti about the state of bug 153996 | 16:09 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: mathiaz will ask pitti about the state of bug 153996 | 16:09 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 153996 in db4.4 "libdb4.4 in gutsy breaks postgrey and subversion" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153996 | 16:09 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting. | 16:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting. | 16:09 |
| mathiaz | Previous meeting log: | 16:10 |
| mathiaz | http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-meeting.20071218_1600.html | 16:10 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-meeting.20071218_1600.html | 16:10 |
| mathiaz | sommer: I've seen you've filed a bug about apache ssl. | 16:10 |
| sommer | yep... I'm not sure how good it is, but I thought I'd take a crack at it | 16:11 |
| mathiaz | sommer: there are a couple of other bugs related to this. | 16:11 |
| mathiaz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/113099 | 16:11 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 113099 in apache2 "Out of the box SSL config should be made available for Apache." [Wishlist,Triaged] | 16:11 |
| mathiaz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/77675 | 16:11 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 77675 in apache2 "apache2-ssl-certificate has gone missing since feisty" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 16:11 |
| mathiaz | sommer: did you get in touch with the debian maintainer ? | 16:12 |
| sommer | mathiaz: nope, I sort of just started patching :) | 16:12 |
| sommer | I can do that though | 16:12 |
| mathiaz | sommer: this issue has also been raised there IIRC, if we could agree on a solution for both ubuntu and debian it would be great. | 16:12 |
| mathiaz | sommer: the main issue is that debian doesn't have a default way to handle ssl certificates. | 16:13 |
| mathiaz | this is why some patches that ubuntu added to enable ssl support OOTB are not accepted by debian | 16:13 |
| sommer | mathiaz: gotcha... is there a way to get ssl-cert included into debian | 16:14 |
| mathiaz | (eg: dovecot) | 16:14 |
| mathiaz | but this depends a lot on the maintainers. | 16:14 |
| mathiaz | sommer: it is - but there isn't an official policy that says that ssl-cert should be the default way to handle ssl certs in debian. | 16:14 |
| sommer | mathiaz: ah, I see | 16:15 |
| mathiaz | debian hasn't settled on the default way to handle ssl certs. | 16:15 |
| mathiaz | so maintainers can be reluctant to enable ssl OOTB because of this. | 16:15 |
| sommer | is the issue still being debated, or is it not a very high priority? | 16:16 |
| mathiaz | sommer: I don't know. | 16:16 |
| nealmcb | sommer: does your patch end up giving a self-signed cert by default or something? | 16:16 |
| mathiaz | sommer: I'd get in touch first with the apache maintainer to see what they think about your solution. | 16:16 |
| sommer | mathiaz: it uses the snakeoil key and cert from ssl-cert package | 16:17 |
| mathiaz | sommer: I think that's a good solution - but only for ubuntu. | 16:17 |
| sommer | or nealmcb rather | 16:17 |
| nealmcb | I haven't looked recently at that - so is it just a cert for the current fqdn of the machine or something? | 16:17 |
| sommer | mathiaz: sure I'll contact them | 16:17 |
| mathiaz | sommer: so it may be worth discussing with debian maintainers the other configuration options and the way to do it, without forcing them to use ssl-cert. | 16:18 |
| nealmcb | or does it ask questions etc? | 16:18 |
| sommer | nealmcb: I beleive it's generated from the hostname | 16:18 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] sommer will contact debian apache maintainer wrt default ssl configuration. | 16:18 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: sommer will contact debian apache maintainer wrt default ssl configuration. | 16:18 |
| mathiaz | soren, nijaba: what's the state of the JeOS tutorial ? | 16:19 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: it is still online | 16:19 |
| nijaba | as the artile has not been published yet AFAIK | 16:20 |
| sommer | it's also been "translated" into DocBook :) | 16:20 |
| mathiaz | sommer: is there any plan to include it in the server guide ? | 16:21 |
| mathiaz | sommer: or make a JeOS guide ? | 16:21 |
| nealmcb | I'm wondering if the jeos page might be made a more general, short into with link to the article, and the article text might come back as a subpage tutorial when it is old enough | 16:22 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: I would not be happy to have a separate JeOs guide | 16:22 |
| nijaba | nealmcb: good idea, but it might be redundant with what we have on u.c | 16:22 |
| mathiaz | nijaba, sommer: so what's the purpose of using DocBook then ? | 16:22 |
| nealmcb | *short intro* | 16:22 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: to be able to ubdate it while iti is not published on the wiki anymore | 16:23 |
| sommer | mathiaz: I think it was to "save" it into bzr | 16:23 |
| sommer | I haven't actually commited it yet though | 16:23 |
| mathiaz | hum.. ok. | 16:24 |
| sommer | the way it is now is a section in the Server Guide, but that could be changed | 16:24 |
| nijaba | sommer: I think it is nice as you did it | 16:24 |
| mathiaz | So any action to take regarding JeOS documentation ? | 16:25 |
| nealmcb | makes sense to me to have a jeos section there | 16:25 |
| nijaba | not AFAIK | 16:25 |
| sommer | nijaba: cool, I'll go ahead and commit it | 16:25 |
| mathiaz | ACTION: sommer will add the JeOS tutorial as a section to the Server Guide. | 16:25 |
| nealmcb | so long as it doesn't quickly go out-of-date, since the server guide is released rarely | 16:26 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] sommer will add the JeOS tutorial as a section to the Server Guide. | 16:26 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: sommer will add the JeOS tutorial as a section to the Server Guide. | 16:26 |
| nealmcb | (compared to the wiki) | 16:26 |
| sommer | nealmcb: heh... hopefully it will be updated for each release :-) | 16:26 |
| mathiaz | Anything else from the last meeting ? | 16:26 |
| nealmcb | sommer: sure, but we only get one shot per release.... | 16:26 |
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| sommer | mathiaz: I think that was pretty much it from the last meeting | 16:29 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Review each section of the ServerTeam/Roadmap. | 16:30 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review each section of the ServerTeam/Roadmap. | 16:30 |
| mathiaz | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap | 16:30 |
| mathiaz | Something to say about Triagging ? | 16:30 |
| soren | Nope | 16:31 |
| mathiaz | About Packaging ? | 16:32 |
| mathiaz | sommer started to work on the ssl configuration for apache. | 16:32 |
| mathiaz | sommer: could you update the roadmap about it ? | 16:33 |
| sommer | mathiaz: sure | 16:33 |
| mathiaz | So Documentation. | 16:34 |
| mathiaz | How things are going in there ? | 16:34 |
| sommer | Server Guide is cruisin along | 16:35 |
| mathiaz | sommer: great ! | 16:35 |
| nealmcb | back on packaging- anyone talked to ebox folks? Can we get them to come to our next meeting? | 16:35 |
| mathiaz | sommer: you're doing a great job at documentation ! thanks for your contribution ! | 16:35 |
| sommer | I think most of the large updates have been done, there's probably minor tweeks here and there though | 16:35 |
| nijaba | yep, sommer is doing a great job. I still have a bit to review though since last meeting | 16:35 |
| sommer | mathiaz: welcome | 16:35 |
| nealmcb | we so constantly get queries about webmin etc - seems like a priority for hardy, and not an easy one | 16:36 |
| sommer | plus there may be a couple of others helping out in the near future :) | 16:36 |
| nealmcb | sommer: yeah - great work! | 16:36 |
| mathiaz | sommer: yes - I've seen a couple messages on ubuntu-doc. | 16:37 |
| sommer | nealmcb: thanks, and I agree about ebox | 16:37 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: what about factoids ? | 16:37 |
| nealmcb | I think an ebox factoid is top prio :-) | 16:38 |
| nealmcb | I'll add it | 16:38 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: did you add a couple of them to the bot ? | 16:38 |
| nealmcb | yes - last month as noted there ljl and I added a bunch - he was great | 16:39 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: ok. So they should be removed from the roadmap. | 16:39 |
| nealmcb | well, I proposed and he made them better and added them :-) | 16:40 |
| nealmcb | yes - should be removed | 16:40 |
| nealmcb | I'll do that too | 16:40 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] nealmcb will update the list of factoids on the Roadmap. | 16:40 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: nealmcb will update the list of factoids on the Roadmap. | 16:40 |
| mathiaz | Anything else related to Documentation ? | 16:41 |
| nealmcb | soren: would you like to invite an ebox person to come to the next meeting and give us an update? or provide a name of who to invite? | 16:41 |
| soren | nealmcb: I can do that. | 16:42 |
| sommer | I think that's pretty much it... still need to make some time for the Samba wiki page updates | 16:42 |
| nealmcb | :-) | 16:42 |
| mathiaz | Let's move on the Developer section | 16:43 |
| mathiaz | It's not up to date. | 16:43 |
| mathiaz | I'll update the section with the plans for Hardy. | 16:44 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] mathiaz will update the developer section. | 16:44 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: mathiaz will update the developer section. | 16:44 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time | 16:45 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time | 16:45 |
| nealmcb | [idea] soren will invite an ebox person to come to the next meeting and give us an update | 16:46 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: soren will invite an ebox person to come to the next meeting and give us an update | 16:46 |
| mathiaz | dendrobates asked if the meeting could be moved as he is not able to attend. | 16:46 |
| mathiaz | one proposal is to move it wednesday at 17:00 UTC | 16:46 |
| mathiaz | which is one hour later than currently. | 16:47 |
| mathiaz | another proposal is to move it to Thursday at 16:00 UTC | 16:47 |
| nealmcb | wed am is ok, but I have a 1600 meeting too | 16:48 |
| mathiaz | the ubuntu-dev meeting is scheduled for this time every fours week though | 16:48 |
| nealmcb | thu is worse | 16:48 |
| sommer | either work for me ;) | 16:48 |
| jdstrand | either are good for me | 16:48 |
| mathiaz | another question is if we should have weekly meeting | 16:48 |
| mathiaz | I think we already talked about that in december | 16:49 |
| mathiaz | but don't remember the outcome of the discussion | 16:49 |
| sommer | didn't we have a meeting once a week in dec? | 16:49 |
| nealmcb | I think it was "yes, weekly" | 16:49 |
| mathiaz | ok. | 16:50 |
| sommer | not sure if it was "official", but it worked out okay | 16:50 |
| nealmcb | and it will work better with mathiaz back in town :-) | 16:50 |
| mathiaz | another proposal is monday at 16:00 UTC | 16:51 |
| * sommer likes 16:00 UTC the best, but either work | 16:52 | |
| mathiaz | yeah 16:00 UTC is the best time for both europeans and americans.. | 16:52 |
| nealmcb | mon 1600 works for me | 16:52 |
| mathiaz | which means that it's very very busy for most of us.. | 16:53 |
| jdstrand | mathiaz: could have multiple meeting rooms... | 16:53 |
| mathiaz | jdstrand: yeah - but people need to attend the meetings... | 16:54 |
| nealmcb | jdstrand: and practice thrashing? :-) | 16:54 |
| jdstrand | :) | 16:54 |
| nijaba | Mon 16 UTC is conflicting with a appt that dendrobates and I have have with a partner each week... | 16:55 |
| mathiaz | soren: mon 16:00 UTC ? | 16:55 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: argh.. | 16:55 |
| mathiaz | so we're running out of time. | 16:55 |
| mathiaz | I'll try to come up with something sane for next meeting. | 16:56 |
| mathiaz | for now we don't move it. | 16:56 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] mathiaz will try to figure a new time for the server team meeting. | 16:56 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: mathiaz will try to figure a new time for the server team meeting. | 16:56 |
| nealmcb | but it would be nice to have dendrobates here.... | 16:56 |
| mathiaz | For now - next week, same place, same time. | 16:57 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: I'll discuss this with him. | 16:57 |
| nealmcb | :-) | 16:57 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: and send an email if there is any change before next meeting. | 16:57 |
| mathiaz | Thanks all for coming. | 16:58 |
| nijaba | thanks for leading the meeting mathiaz | 16:58 |
| mathiaz | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 16:58. | 16:58 |
| sommer | thanks mathiaz, party on all | 16:58 |
| nijaba | bye | 16:59 |
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