=== bigon is now known as bigon` === Varka_ is now known as Varka === j_ack__ is now known as j_ack === asac_ is now known as asac === Sp4rKy_ is now known as Sp4rKy === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson === bigon` is now known as bigon === bigon is now known as bigon` === bigon` is now known as bigon === \sh_away is now known as \sh [14:59] @schedule montreal [14:59] Schedule for America/Montreal: 09 Jan 15:00: Edubuntu meeting | 10 Jan 09:00: Desktop Team Development | 16 Jan 07:00: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 07:00: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 09:00: Desktop Team Development | 18 Jan 07:00: MOTU [15:00] @schedule now [15:03] @now [15:03] Current time in Etc/UTC: January 08 2008, 15:03:08 - Next meeting: Edubuntu meeting in 1 day [15:03] zul: ^^ That's how you do it. [15:03] yeah i wasnt paying attention === \sh is now known as \sh_away === bigon is now known as bigon` === bigon` is now known as bigon [15:58] Hi everyone ! [15:58] hello [15:58] heylo [15:59] * jdstrand waves [15:59] Hello and happy new year [15:59] * nealmcb waves [15:59] * nealmcb is having too much fun with his olpc :-) [15:59] * soren wanders in [16:00] * dantalizin1 looks up from his desk [16:00] nealmcb: I'm supposed to be getting one of those any day now [16:01] * sommer has one as well... very cool item [16:01] jdstrand: mine came 4 days before the mail that said it was shipping.... [16:01] nealmcb: do you have ubuntu on it yet? [16:01] all right - let's get started then. [16:01] and I've now learned a bit of git and submitted my first patch [16:01] i wanna an eepc [16:01] #startmeeting [16:01] Meeting started at 16:01. The chair is mathiaz. [16:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:02] Welcome to the first ubuntu server team meeting of 2008 ! :) [16:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [16:03] This is your 13th meeting... === dantalizin1 is now known as dantalizing [16:03] So there isn't much on the agenda - anyone wants to add something before we go through it ? [16:03] nope [16:04] mathiaz: I guess an update on the postgrey bug [16:04] nealmcb: bug number ? [16:04] I'll get it [16:05] [TOPIC] Update on postgrey bug [16:05] New Topic: Update on postgrey bug [16:06] mathiaz: this is the one that you escalated a month or so ago, last I recall it was still in proposed [16:06] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgrey/+bug/135038 [16:06] Launchpad bug 135038 in db4.4 "postgrey fails regularly : "fatal: Can't call method "txn_commit" on an undefined value at /usr/sbin/postgrey line 223." (dup-of: 153996)" [Medium,Confirmed] [16:07] Launchpad bug 153996 in db4.4 "libdb4.4 in gutsy breaks postgrey and subversion" [High,Fix committed] [16:07] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/db4.4/+bug/153996 [16:08] So I think it's just that the archive admins have been busy [16:08] I know we don't like to use the meeting for bugs, so we can move on, but it was on my mind - surprising it hasn't been included yet [16:08] yeah - I understand busy :-) [16:09] I'll ask pitti about it. [16:09] [ACTION] mathiaz will ask pitti about the state of bug 153996 [16:09] ACTION received: mathiaz will ask pitti about the state of bug 153996 [16:09] Launchpad bug 153996 in db4.4 "libdb4.4 in gutsy breaks postgrey and subversion" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153996 [16:09] [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting. [16:09] New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting. [16:10] Previous meeting log: [16:10] http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-meeting.20071218_1600.html [16:10] LINK received: http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-meeting.20071218_1600.html [16:10] sommer: I've seen you've filed a bug about apache ssl. [16:11] yep... I'm not sure how good it is, but I thought I'd take a crack at it [16:11] sommer: there are a couple of other bugs related to this. [16:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/113099 [16:11] Launchpad bug 113099 in apache2 "Out of the box SSL config should be made available for Apache." [Wishlist,Triaged] [16:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/77675 [16:11] Launchpad bug 77675 in apache2 "apache2-ssl-certificate has gone missing since feisty" [Wishlist,Triaged] [16:12] sommer: did you get in touch with the debian maintainer ? [16:12] mathiaz: nope, I sort of just started patching :) [16:12] I can do that though [16:12] sommer: this issue has also been raised there IIRC, if we could agree on a solution for both ubuntu and debian it would be great. [16:13] sommer: the main issue is that debian doesn't have a default way to handle ssl certificates. [16:13] this is why some patches that ubuntu added to enable ssl support OOTB are not accepted by debian [16:14] mathiaz: gotcha... is there a way to get ssl-cert included into debian [16:14] (eg: dovecot) [16:14] but this depends a lot on the maintainers. [16:14] sommer: it is - but there isn't an official policy that says that ssl-cert should be the default way to handle ssl certs in debian. [16:15] mathiaz: ah, I see [16:15] debian hasn't settled on the default way to handle ssl certs. [16:15] so maintainers can be reluctant to enable ssl OOTB because of this. [16:16] is the issue still being debated, or is it not a very high priority? [16:16] sommer: I don't know. [16:16] sommer: does your patch end up giving a self-signed cert by default or something? [16:16] sommer: I'd get in touch first with the apache maintainer to see what they think about your solution. [16:17] mathiaz: it uses the snakeoil key and cert from ssl-cert package [16:17] sommer: I think that's a good solution - but only for ubuntu. [16:17] or nealmcb rather [16:17] I haven't looked recently at that - so is it just a cert for the current fqdn of the machine or something? [16:17] mathiaz: sure I'll contact them [16:18] sommer: so it may be worth discussing with debian maintainers the other configuration options and the way to do it, without forcing them to use ssl-cert. [16:18] or does it ask questions etc? [16:18] nealmcb: I beleive it's generated from the hostname [16:18] [ACTION] sommer will contact debian apache maintainer wrt default ssl configuration. [16:18] ACTION received: sommer will contact debian apache maintainer wrt default ssl configuration. [16:19] soren, nijaba: what's the state of the JeOS tutorial ? [16:19] mathiaz: it is still online [16:20] as the artile has not been published yet AFAIK [16:20] it's also been "translated" into DocBook :) [16:21] sommer: is there any plan to include it in the server guide ? [16:21] sommer: or make a JeOS guide ? [16:22] I'm wondering if the jeos page might be made a more general, short into with link to the article, and the article text might come back as a subpage tutorial when it is old enough [16:22] mathiaz: I would not be happy to have a separate JeOs guide [16:22] nealmcb: good idea, but it might be redundant with what we have on u.c [16:22] nijaba, sommer: so what's the purpose of using DocBook then ? [16:22] *short intro* [16:23] mathiaz: to be able to ubdate it while iti is not published on the wiki anymore [16:23] mathiaz: I think it was to "save" it into bzr [16:23] I haven't actually commited it yet though [16:24] hum.. ok. [16:24] the way it is now is a section in the Server Guide, but that could be changed [16:24] sommer: I think it is nice as you did it [16:25] So any action to take regarding JeOS documentation ? [16:25] makes sense to me to have a jeos section there [16:25] not AFAIK [16:25] nijaba: cool, I'll go ahead and commit it [16:25] ACTION: sommer will add the JeOS tutorial as a section to the Server Guide. [16:26] so long as it doesn't quickly go out-of-date, since the server guide is released rarely [16:26] [ACTION] sommer will add the JeOS tutorial as a section to the Server Guide. [16:26] ACTION received: sommer will add the JeOS tutorial as a section to the Server Guide. [16:26] (compared to the wiki) [16:26] nealmcb: heh... hopefully it will be updated for each release :-) [16:26] Anything else from the last meeting ? [16:26] sommer: sure, but we only get one shot per release.... === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [16:29] mathiaz: I think that was pretty much it from the last meeting [16:30] [TOPIC] Review each section of the ServerTeam/Roadmap. [16:30] New Topic: Review each section of the ServerTeam/Roadmap. [16:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap [16:30] Something to say about Triagging ? [16:31] Nope [16:32] About Packaging ? [16:32] sommer started to work on the ssl configuration for apache. [16:33] sommer: could you update the roadmap about it ? [16:33] mathiaz: sure [16:34] So Documentation. [16:34] How things are going in there ? [16:35] Server Guide is cruisin along [16:35] sommer: great ! [16:35] back on packaging- anyone talked to ebox folks? Can we get them to come to our next meeting? [16:35] sommer: you're doing a great job at documentation ! thanks for your contribution ! [16:35] I think most of the large updates have been done, there's probably minor tweeks here and there though [16:35] yep, sommer is doing a great job. I still have a bit to review though since last meeting [16:35] mathiaz: welcome [16:36] we so constantly get queries about webmin etc - seems like a priority for hardy, and not an easy one [16:36] plus there may be a couple of others helping out in the near future :) [16:36] sommer: yeah - great work! [16:37] sommer: yes - I've seen a couple messages on ubuntu-doc. [16:37] nealmcb: thanks, and I agree about ebox [16:37] nealmcb: what about factoids ? [16:38] I think an ebox factoid is top prio :-) [16:38] I'll add it [16:38] nealmcb: did you add a couple of them to the bot ? [16:39] yes - last month as noted there ljl and I added a bunch - he was great [16:39] nealmcb: ok. So they should be removed from the roadmap. [16:40] well, I proposed and he made them better and added them :-) [16:40] yes - should be removed [16:40] I'll do that too [16:40] [ACTION] nealmcb will update the list of factoids on the Roadmap. [16:40] ACTION received: nealmcb will update the list of factoids on the Roadmap. [16:41] Anything else related to Documentation ? [16:41] soren: would you like to invite an ebox person to come to the next meeting and give us an update? or provide a name of who to invite? [16:42] nealmcb: I can do that. [16:42] I think that's pretty much it... still need to make some time for the Samba wiki page updates [16:42] :-) [16:43] Let's move on the Developer section [16:43] It's not up to date. [16:44] I'll update the section with the plans for Hardy. [16:44] [ACTION] mathiaz will update the developer section. [16:44] ACTION received: mathiaz will update the developer section. [16:45] [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time [16:45] New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time [16:46] [idea] soren will invite an ebox person to come to the next meeting and give us an update [16:46] IDEA received: soren will invite an ebox person to come to the next meeting and give us an update [16:46] dendrobates asked if the meeting could be moved as he is not able to attend. [16:46] one proposal is to move it wednesday at 17:00 UTC [16:47] which is one hour later than currently. [16:47] another proposal is to move it to Thursday at 16:00 UTC [16:48] wed am is ok, but I have a 1600 meeting too [16:48] the ubuntu-dev meeting is scheduled for this time every fours week though [16:48] thu is worse [16:48] either work for me ;) [16:48] either are good for me [16:48] another question is if we should have weekly meeting [16:49] I think we already talked about that in december [16:49] but don't remember the outcome of the discussion [16:49] didn't we have a meeting once a week in dec? [16:49] I think it was "yes, weekly" [16:50] ok. [16:50] not sure if it was "official", but it worked out okay [16:50] and it will work better with mathiaz back in town :-) [16:51] another proposal is monday at 16:00 UTC [16:52] * sommer likes 16:00 UTC the best, but either work [16:52] yeah 16:00 UTC is the best time for both europeans and americans.. [16:52] mon 1600 works for me [16:53] which means that it's very very busy for most of us.. [16:53] mathiaz: could have multiple meeting rooms... [16:54] jdstrand: yeah - but people need to attend the meetings... [16:54] jdstrand: and practice thrashing? :-) [16:54] :) [16:55] Mon 16 UTC is conflicting with a appt that dendrobates and I have have with a partner each week... [16:55] soren: mon 16:00 UTC ? [16:55] nijaba: argh.. [16:55] so we're running out of time. [16:56] I'll try to come up with something sane for next meeting. [16:56] for now we don't move it. [16:56] [ACTION] mathiaz will try to figure a new time for the server team meeting. [16:56] ACTION received: mathiaz will try to figure a new time for the server team meeting. [16:56] but it would be nice to have dendrobates here.... [16:57] For now - next week, same place, same time. [16:57] nealmcb: I'll discuss this with him. [16:57] :-) [16:57] nealmcb: and send an email if there is any change before next meeting. [16:58] Thanks all for coming. [16:58] thanks for leading the meeting mathiaz [16:58] #endmeeting [16:58] Meeting finished at 16:58. [16:58] thanks mathiaz, party on all [16:59] bye === \sh_away is now known as \sh === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde === _czessi is now known as Czessi === Ubulette_ is now known as Ubulette === \sh is now known as \sh_away === Pricey is now known as PriceChild === afflux is now known as afflux_ === afflux_ is now known as afflux === WikiMan is now known as MatthewV