[00:05] <DanaG> I'm now trying to use the image creator to make an image for my vm, but the bootstrap target won't complete -- something depends on moblin-media, but it's not going to be installed.
[00:05] <DanaG> And how do you create a configuration for a device?
[00:06] <DanaG> aah, the ubuntu-mobile metapackage is what depends on moblin-media.
[00:07] <StevenK> That is in the process of being sorted out.
[00:10] <DanaG> Aah.  I'm going to try setting up an fset that's just the -generic kernel, and use that so I can get a bare image.
[00:10] <DanaG> Now I just need to figure out how to get the USB device image to the host, or at least somehow make it bootable to the guest.
[00:11] <DanaG> Is there a way to spoof a USB Mass Storage device on Linux?
[00:11] <DanaG> I'd just hand it to the guest.
[00:14] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I could just make a new virtual disk.
[00:32] <DanaG> Dang, "No USB disk detected".
[00:32] <DanaG> Can I just create a partition and use 'dd'?
[00:32] <DanaG> Or rather, write to the bare device, perhaps?
[01:04] <raji> asac: I filed the bug 507965 about Network Manager crash on intel Crown Beach hardware. I root caused it to be the unsafe 'strcmp' in the supplicant_initialize_init() function
[01:20] <DanaG> Okay, I can't figure out how to boot the USB install thingy from a second virtual disk.
[02:52] <Ward1983> i want to try ubuntu-mobile on my pda (pocket loox 720) it allready runs debian (with haret to make it boot), where should i start reading?
[03:45] <xipietotec> I'm wondering if anyone knows of a list of floss and freeware for windows Mobile 5?
[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[07:57] <DanaG> Hmm, it turned out impossible to install ubuntu-mobile in a VM.  However, I WAS able to install it in a USB drive and then create a disk-backed vmdk image.
[07:57] <DanaG> Now to prevent the host from trying to access that....
[08:07] <DanaG> Oh, here's how: duplicate it back to a virtual device.
[08:08] <DanaG> But now how do I get the GUI?
[08:08] <DanaG> Oh, and it has grub in two places, for some reason.
[08:09] <DanaG> That's just odd... something about unionfs.
[08:13] <DanaG> That's really odd... it's like there's a twin of the system there.
[08:28] <DanaG> Oh, and things are busy, mounted on nonexistent places.
[08:57] <DanaG> And where is /etc/event.d/session?  It seems to be missing on my system.
[08:58] <DanaG> And sources.list is nearly empty.
[08:59] <DanaG> Oh wait, they're in .d dir.
[09:02] <DanaG> But menu.lst is being ignored, too!
[10:09] <DanaG> Hmm, assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args->nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed.
[10:10]  * DanaG goes to reboot to working ubuntu, and will then fire up ubuntu-mobile in the vm.
[10:33] <DanaG> dang assertion -- not that assertions themselves are bad, but the violation is bad.
[10:36] <DanaG> aah, some libraries are truncated, ldconfig claims.
[10:43] <DanaG> Aah, reinstalled the relevant package.
[10:53] <DanaG> Now it works, but everything is huge and disproportioned.
[13:05] <asac> raji: bug 507965? is that a gnome bug or what?
[13:11] <asac> raji: i filed LP bug 181232 ... what is your LP-id?
[13:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181232 in network-manager "crash in supplicant_interface_init because of unsafe strcmp" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181232
[13:32] <Ward1983> i want to try ubuntu-mobile on my pda (pocket loox 720) it allready runs debian (with haret to make it boot), where should i start reading?
[13:33] <suihkulokki> Ward1983: from the FAQ that states ubuntu is not available on arm ?
[13:34] <Ward1983> suihkulokki, even if i compile it myself?
[13:34] <Ward1983> lol good job :s
[13:35] <Ward1983> some time ago i read that pda's that were allready able to run linux were gonna be supported soon
[13:36] <Ward1983> but because of the chaotic wiki i can't find the link back
[13:36] <suihkulokki> Ward1983: well it's going to be easier to compile for debian whatever is missing from there than compiling ubuntu over
[13:37] <Ward1983> suihkulokki, that's axectly what i want to try
[13:37] <suihkulokki> ( disclaimer I hack on debian/arm and related stuff, currently I mostly just lurk on this channel, UME people might disagree with everything I say)
[13:38] <Ward1983> lol no problem
[13:38] <Ward1983> at least you say something :p
[13:38] <Ward1983> last time i came here i waited 48hours and had not one reply
[13:41] <Ward1983> anyway, its too soon to compile stuff from ubuntu mobile?
[13:41] <Ward1983> then i'll just comeback some other time
[13:41] <suihkulokki> what exactly do you want?
[13:42] <Ward1983> suihkulokki, just to try out some stuff to see how it works, anything would do
[13:42] <Ward1983> just to experiment
[13:52] <agoliveira> Ward1983: Hi. We're thinking about support arm eventually but it's not in our plans right now. You should be able to compile everything to arm as UME is based on Maemo which is already running on arm devices (Nokia tablets).
[13:53] <agoliveira> Ward1983: You may also want to check pdaXrom.org
[13:53] <Ward1983> agoliveira, that's what i was hoping for, but is there some page that clearly explains what (sourcecode) package does what + the dependencies?
[13:54] <Ward1983> not being a dev i really have trouble getting the right information from the wiki
[13:54] <agoliveira> Ward1983: Not really. It's based on Ubuntu packages.
[13:54] <agoliveira> Ward1983: If you're not a developer would be very hard for you to go ahead right now as we're still in very early stages.
[13:55] <Ward1983> ok will wait then
[13:55] <Ward1983> then i'll just try EABI, very interesting too :-)
[13:55] <Ward1983> lots of stuff to try :-)
[13:56] <Ward1983> thanx for the info agoliveira and suihkulokki 
[13:56] <suihkulokki> Ward1983: there pkg-maemo project on debian to bring maemo packages to debian
[13:56] <agoliveira> Ward1983: No problem.
[13:57] <suihkulokki> hildon-desktop should be in debian/unstable for trying out somewhere between next week/end of month, then you can just apt-get install them
[13:58] <Ward1983> suihkulokki, :-o nice!
[13:58]  * Ward1983 writs that down
[13:58] <Ward1983> else i'll forget :-)
[13:59] <Ward1983> and EABI is in there too btw :-)
[13:59] <suihkulokki> Ward1983: but your device has only 32MB of ram, so gpe will probably work *much* better than maemo
[13:59] <Ward1983> suihkulokki, my device has a mighty 128MB ram :d
[13:59] <suihkulokki> oh
[13:59] <Ward1983> pocket loox 720
[13:59]  * suihkulokki was just reading handhelds.org and got the worng impression then
[14:00] <Ward1983> fluxbox even works nice :-)
[14:00] <Ward1983> now i have that window manager that opens everything fullscreen on the tiny screen
[14:00] <Ward1983> made for touchscreen and pda
[14:01] <Ward1983> oh btw, should it be usefull for you devs: the sources of pepperlinux were recently released
[17:37] <robr_> amitk: ping
[18:30] <raji> asac, I filed the bug on gnome. Is that wrong place? where should I report?
[18:41] <asac> i opened a bug in launchpad for you now ... i think i dropped the bug id in the gnome bug
[18:41] <asac> raji: please suscribe to the LP bug so i can ask more questions and please attach the patch you have found
[18:42] <asac> raji: bug 181232 that is
[18:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181232 in network-manager "crash in supplicant_interface_init because of unsafe strcmp" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181232
[18:50] <raji> asac, Just saw that. I will attach the patch to the bug.
[21:36] <asac> raji: nothing there yet
[21:50] <raji> asac, sorry, caught up with some other stuff. Just uploaded patch file. Please take a look it, code changes are just 3 to4 lines .
[23:25] <asac> raji: can you please submit a clean patch? the one you submitted is 1.6Mb ... i guess it should be just a few lines
[23:26] <raji> asac, Do you just want the few lines that I modified? 
[23:27] <asac> i want a patch :) ... usually i want a patch that is suitable to be included in debian/patches/ directory or a debdiff
[23:27] <asac> and yes ... please give me a minimal patch
[23:28] <asac> a patch of just the modified files is ok as well
[23:40] <asac> raji: i just wrote a short instruction: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PatchingNetworkManagerPackage
[23:42] <raji> asac, I just uploaded another short diff file, if that does not work, I will look at your instructions and do it again.
[23:45] <asac> have you looked at the diff?
[23:45] <asac> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11221209/null-driver-name-fix.diff
[23:45] <asac> thats not clean either :)
[23:45] <asac> hmmm why does your driver return a null as kernel-driver?
[23:45] <asac> doesn't sound too good i must admit :)
[23:45] <asac> raji: i can integrate the change that way ... however maybe take a look at the instructions and try to do it that way. I except that you will submit more patches in future ... so its probably handy
[23:45] <asac> s/except/expect/
[23:47] <raji> asac, I agree that 'network manager' should not get null as the driver name but, in my opinion network manager should be robust enough to handle any crappy driver, in this case it is very simple to be robust. so I thought we should make this change.
[23:49] <raji> asac, do you want to integrate my changes the way I sent you ? OR, you want me to follow the instructions , send another good looking patch? :)
[23:49] <asac> yes the change is fine ... its just that no name doesn't make me feel bullish on the state of that driver :)
[23:51] <asac> raji: i don't mind (as long as it really applies on top of all the other patches in debian/patches/ of course)
[23:51] <asac> maybe try to apply it after the quilt push -a in the instructions ... if it does apply cleanly its fine
[23:53] <raji> asac, I have to try it. give me few mins .
[23:54] <asac> cool
[23:56] <raji> asac, I have another question for you, does network-manger package installs simple-patchsys.mk files in the /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules folder?
[23:57] <asac> no it uses quilt (see instructions)
[23:57] <asac> e.g. quilt-patchsys.mk
[23:58] <asac> raji: ^^
[23:59] <asac> raji: ok here is what i did to produce a clean patch from your generic one (after getting the bzr branch -> instructions)