[01:58] <ubotu> Vorian called the ops in #ubuntu-devel (Romney08)
[01:58] <ardchoille> That spammer sure is persistent
[01:59] <Vorian> lol
[02:13] <ubotu> slangasek called the ops in #ubuntu-motu (Romney08)
[02:13] <zul> hey can someone do something about Romnet08 on #-motu
[02:14] <ScottK> He hit #ubuntu-devel earlier
[02:14] <Pici> LjL: ^
[02:14] <LjL> Pici: no access in -motu
[02:14] <ScottK> Romney08 though (no t)
[02:14] <Pici> !staff
[02:15] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2 or Christel,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[02:15] <Pici> see above regarding romney08
[02:19] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, remove the romney08 spambot from -motu
[02:20] <LjL> elkbuntu, psst, you have access
[02:20] <elkbuntu> i do?
[02:20] <LjL> unless /cs access list lies to me
[02:20] <tonyyarusso> indeed you do
[02:20] <no0tic> lol :)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> yes, all council people should
[02:21]  * LjL feels left out :P
[02:23] <elkbuntu> would it be safe to exclude *romney*!*@* *mitt*!*@* and *prez*!*@* from channels? :)
[02:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:25]  * LjL now doesn't feel left out
[02:25] <ardchoille> Any thoughts on the nick "zippercock" being used in #kubuntu ?
[02:25] <LjL> elkbuntu: for romney and prez, i think just *e*!*@* should do
[02:26] <elkbuntu> LjL, :(
[02:27] <LjL> ardchoille, unless someone complains, i usually pretend i didn't see nicknames that are dubious but not just blatantly bad
[02:27] <ardchoille> Ok, works for me :)
[02:28] <elkbuntu> zippercock is conceivably a RL surname too
[02:28] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: I think we already did.
[02:28] <tonyyarusso> at least had temporarily - not sure if still applied
[02:28] <LjL> indeed... or well, at least, it might be as far as i know. which is not much concerning english surnames. but the point is, care before classing a nick as bad is due
[02:28]  * tonyyarusso already put a forward in #ubuntu to here for today's hostmask
[02:28] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, i think it's time to do it again, since they've widened their join lists
[02:29] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Fine by me.  I don't see a need for any legitimate user to have those strings anyway.
[02:29] <LjL> overly wide bans always worry me...
[02:29] <LjL> banforward to here
[02:29] <LjL> or find a portion of hostname that doesn't change, if there is one
[02:29] <elkbuntu> LjL, was just about to suggest that
[02:29] <tonyyarusso> Yes, forwards would be preferred.
[02:30] <elkbuntu> LjL, they have way too many hostmasks judging from last time
[02:30] <tonyyarusso> LjL: There isn't a static portion, apparently.
[02:30] <LjL> then banforward, but be prepared to have ops complaining about it here :)
[02:31] <LjL> *romney* might possibly be a relatively safe ban
[02:31] <LjL> but *prez* and especially *mitt*, no
[02:31] <elkbuntu> i dont have ops in -devel
[02:31] <elkbuntu> LjL, it'll give us more stats to play with
[02:31] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, op me up in -devel please?
[02:32] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[02:32] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: done
[02:32]  * LjL <3 /me's load balanced bots
[02:33]  * Pici loves LjL's bots
[02:34] <elkbuntu> ha, you cant even deop through chanserv without access
[02:34] <elkbuntu> too funny
[02:34] <LjL> of course
[02:34] <LjL> deopping via chanserv is something i always found kinda stupid anyway :P
[02:34]  * tonyyarusso does it, isn't sure why
[02:35] <LjL> tonyyarusso: the only conceivable reason is that, sometimes, you get the odd smarthead saying "woo, look, ljl deopped ljl!"
[02:35] <elkbuntu> as compared to 'haha, chanserve hates ljl'
[02:35] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[02:36] <LjL> there's that.
[02:36] <LjL>  /cs bed ljl
[02:36] <Pici> later LjL
[02:36] <elkbuntu> gnite LjL
[02:36]  * Pici swats his crappy isp
[02:47] <jdong> what's mexicant's story?
[02:47] <jdong> 21:32 < Mexicant> Anybody else here after getting banned from #ubuntu?
[02:48] <Pici> ugh
[02:48] <Pici> Thats chuy
[02:49] <jdong> is he vagina boy?
[02:49] <Pici> yes.
[02:50] <jdong> whee
[02:50] <jdong> ok, I'll keep an eye on the guy
[03:21] <andruk> i get the DCCExploit error, and the ubuntu wiki tells me to beg for help reconnecting to #ubuntu in here...  help, please
[03:22] <no0tic> andruk, did you connect to port 8001?
[03:22] <andruk> yeep
[03:23] <no0tic> andruk, ok, let's wait for an op to test you
[03:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:23] <Hobbsee> someone else got him
[03:24] <no0tic> Hobbsee, all yours
[03:24] <andruk> ack, sorry, xchat crashed on me.  yep, i have connected to port 8001
[03:28] <Hobbsee> right
[03:29] <Hobbsee> andruk: ban removed, please keep connecting to that port
[03:29] <andruk> Hobbsee: will do, thanks!
[05:10] <CC_Nganjuk> af/ljgucxg hucghdhf uuie8p3urrf7g2o16tr330t75410]t8\-\=--+%8riadhcxv yuopdl
[05:16] <elkbuntu> interesting
[05:18] <ardchoille> elkbuntu: Is that the new freenode-speak?
[05:18] <ardchoille> :)
[05:31] <elkbuntu> i've got no clue what it was, or why it hit here rather than a populated channel
[05:31] <elkbuntu> actually i see now that i check BT
[06:54] <jussi01> Who is kloeri?
[06:54] <nalioth> a staffer
[06:54] <jussi01> nalioth: ahhh...
[06:54] <nalioth> perhaps the cloak isn't suggestive enough. . .
[06:55]  * jussi01 cries...  its 8.55 am, be easy on me...
[07:21] <Amaranth> alright, back in action
[07:29] <hobojohn3> hi i use chatzilla the firefox plugin and i was told i have to change ports to rejoin ubuntu how do i do that?
[07:30] <nalioth> hobojohn3: try using a real irc client.  chatzilla isn't.  it is a 'proof of concept' to show off the gecko engine, and not very irc rfc compliant
[07:34] <hobojohn3> i dont really use irc except for getting help with ubuntu so i didnt want to download anything big
[07:34] <nalioth> none of the irc clients are "big"
[07:34] <nalioth> a few hundred Kb at most
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> One is even installed by default (although it's not what I would recommend)
[07:36] <hobojohn3> which would you recommend to someone who is not very technical yet?
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> XChat (package name 'xchat')
[07:36] <nalioth> regular old xchat ( NOT xchat-gnome, which is installed by default )
[07:37] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: Err, the default client is pidgin, not xc-gnome, unless I'm sorely mistaken.
[07:37] <tonyyarusso> Regardless, he's right in that xchat-gnome is to be avoided.
[07:37] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: i can't keep up with the continuous downward spiral into the toilet of the default irc client   ;(
[07:37] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[07:38] <hobojohn3> just sudo apt-get xchat?
[07:38] <nalioth> hobojohn3: yep
[07:38] <jussi01> hobojohn3: correct :)
[07:38] <jussi01> nop
[07:38] <jussi01> sudo apt-get install xchat
[07:38] <jussi01> ;)
[07:38] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: irssi was in the first ubuntus, then it was ditched for xchat, then for xchat-gnome and now it's just pidgin
[07:39] <hobojohn3> thnx jussi01
[07:39] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: right - still lamenting dropping irssi
[07:39] <Hobbsee> kubuntu still has irssi
[07:39] <nalioth> Hobbsee: kubuntu has iso images?
[07:40] <Hobbsee> ...yes
[07:40] <jussi01> hehe
[07:40] <tonyyarusso> rofl
[07:40] <jussi01> is it me this morning or why isn the bot accepting my factoid suggestiones...
[07:42] <Hobbsee> it hates you
[07:42] <hobojohn3> im in thank you i will now remove chatzilla
[07:44] <jussi01> nickspam is <reply> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like $chan - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. (Please set your preferred nick in your client.) The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[07:45] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: because you aren't invoking the bot?
[07:46] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: you mean i need the ! (tried that
[07:46] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: yeah, you also need a "no, " to override existing ones.
[07:46] <jussi01> and besides, you shouldnt need that when in pm with the bot...
[07:47] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: I dont have bot access... it was supposed to come here.
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> oh
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> !nickspam
[07:47] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> makes sense.
[07:48] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: I added that part cause we get soooo many people coming in then straight away a  nick change...
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> !no, nickspam is <reply> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like $channel - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also !Guidelines
[07:49] <ubotu> I'll remember that tonyyarusso
[07:50] <tonyyarusso> shut up Ubotwo :P
[07:50] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: thanks :)
[07:51] <ardchoille> I've lost a karma point on LP. I wonder what could make it go down
[07:51] <jussi01> ardchoille: time
[07:52] <ardchoille> Seriously?
[07:52] <jussi01> yeah
[07:52] <ardchoille> Ah, Ilearned something new :)
[07:52] <jussi01> https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaReductionJan07
[07:52] <tonyyarusso> ardchoille: Nobody understands the algorithm, but that's what it does, yes.
[07:53] <crdlb> meh
[07:53] <jussi01> or even better: https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaCalculation
[07:54] <ardchoille> Yeah, just found that one
[07:54] <jussi01> :D
[07:54] <crdlb> it would be really nice if LjL added floodkicking to the floodbots ;)
[07:56] <ardchoille> Interesting.
[07:56] <ardchoille> I saw someone with ove 6000 karma the other day. I think it was Hobbsee
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> probably
[07:56] <ardchoille> My eyes bugged out :)
[07:57]  * jussi01 runs off to go see riddells karma
[07:57] <ardchoille> hehe
[07:57] <Hobbsee> it probably was
[07:57] <Hobbsee> although i haven't done much in a while
[07:58] <jussi01> meh, riddell only has a measly 3409 :P
[07:59]  * tonyyarusso checks his
[07:59] <jussi01> Hobbsee: has 6525... wow
[07:59] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:59]  * Hobbsee probably does more bug stuff
[07:59] <tonyyarusso> 292
[07:59] <ardchoille> There's one with 79358
[07:59] <jussi01> the sabdfl?
[08:00] <ardchoille> No, not Mark
[08:00] <ardchoille> https://launchpad.net/~caizhonghan
[08:00] <ardchoille> I just added a new machine to my network, plan to use it soley fornew release testing and bug hunting
[08:12]  * jussi01 is sad, as he may lose his server access for irc soon... :( got to get another server!!!
[10:05] <dholbach> heya - astharot just told me that there are problems that prevent him from getting a cloak? (https://launchpad.net/~gerardo)
[10:06] <dholbach> according to https://launchpad.net/~gerardo/+participation he's part of ubuntumembers
[10:13] <dholbach> Seveas: do you know who can help with that ^?
[10:15] <stdin> someone on the council needs to add them to the ubuntu-irc-cloaks team and get a staffer to enable the cloak
[10:16] <stdin> speak of the devil
[10:16] <dholbach> ahhh thanks, stdin
[10:17] <dholbach> PriceChild: do you think you can take a look at astharot's cloak? (https://launchpad.net/~gerardo)
[10:18] <PriceChild> astharot, just checking you want this ubuntu/member cloak?
[10:18] <PriceChild> astharot, could you also ensure you have a secondary nick linked to your first, and an email set on the nick
[10:18] <PriceChild> /msg ubotu register, for help
[10:18] <dholbach> PriceChild: thanks a lot - you ROCK
[10:19] <Dave2> .allserv back
[10:19] <Dave2> bah
[10:19]  * Dave2 needs to stop doing that.
[10:19] <Gary> yeah, Dave2 :p
[10:20] <PriceChild> dholbach, nalioth​ /away right now. Freenode haven't updated their gcf so I can't ask say Dave2 or Gary ​​here to apply a cloak for me yet. We're just going to have to wait for nalioth to return :)
[10:20] <PriceChild> plus astharot seems afk also 8-)
[10:21] <dholbach> I'll leave it in your hands then. Thanks for looking into this
[10:21]  * dholbach waves
[10:27] <astharot> here now
[10:28] <astharot> I've no other nicks and I've a linked email
[10:29] <PriceChild> astharot, please register a second nick and link it to the first
[10:30] <PriceChild> astharot, astharot_ for example
[10:30] <astharot> ok
[10:31] <astharot> done!
[10:31] <PriceChild> cool. and just to check you want this cloak?
[10:32] <astharot> mmh yes :)
[10:32] <PriceChild> nalioth, *ping* cloak for astharot please. https://launchpad.net/~gerardo
[10:33] <astharot> wow nice syntax :D
[10:52] <PriceChild> astharot, any reason for keeping your nick private?
[10:55] <PriceChild> jdong, j-dawg is in #ubuntu right now :O
[10:55] <astharot> nah not at all
[10:56] <astharot> should I turn private to off?
[11:21] <PriceChild> "should you have turned it on"
[11:21] <PriceChild> to me its one of those features that people see and think "uuu that looks cool, why not" and turn it on without reason, just because it is there.
[11:28] <PriceChild> something cool i just found out.... holding shift in xchat allows you to hilight timestamps with the text
[11:30] <ikonia> bonus
[11:35] <Tm_T> :(
[11:35] <Tm_T> irssi <3
[11:36] <PriceChild> hey smarter, how can i help?
[11:37] <smarter> hello
[11:37] <smarter> I'd like an ubuntu cloak
[11:37] <smarter> https://launchpad.net/~smarter
[11:37] <PriceChild> smarter, are you an ubuntu member?
[11:37] <smarter> PriceChild: Yes
[11:37] <PriceChild> good good
[11:37] <PriceChild> smarter, could you please ensure you have a secondary nick linked to this one, and an email set via nickserv
[11:37] <PriceChild> !register
[11:37] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[11:38] <smarter> I think I've one
[11:38] <PriceChild> nalioth, *ping* cloak for smarter please, https://launchpad.net/~smarter
[11:38] <smarter> I check...
[11:38] <PriceChild> smarter, type "/msg nickserv info" to check
[11:39] <smarter> I've also registred smarter_
[11:39] <smarter> And my email is correctly set
[11:40] <PriceChild> smarter, is smarter_ listed on /msg nickserv info, under "Linked Nicks:" ??
[11:40] <smarter> PriceChild: yes
[11:40] <PriceChild> good good
[11:41] <PriceChild> smarter, you'll have to be patient now, the cloak should arrive shortly :)
[11:41] <smarter> PriceChild: thanks ;)
[11:41] <smarter> should I /quit this chan?
[11:42] <PriceChild> probs best you stick around until it is sorted
[11:42] <smarter> okay
[12:19] <ikonia> query is "moleprince" "dmole" from lasst night
[12:33] <Pici> PriceChild: ping, question about cloaks.
[12:33] <PriceChild> Hey?
[12:35] <Pici> Someone came in here yesterday requesting an Ubuntu cloak, but it turned out that they were only indirectly members of 'ubuntumembers', have we taken this into account for all cloaks given out?
[12:35] <Pici> I didnt even realize until yesterday that indirect memberships even existed.
[12:35] <astharot> it was me
[12:35] <astharot> :)
[12:36] <Pici> Oh, hay :)
[12:36] <Hobbsee> what's the problem about indirect memberships?
[12:37] <Pici> Not a problem, just a question.
[12:37] <Hobbsee> well, wha'ts the question then?
[12:37] <Hobbsee> as in, why does it matter?
[12:37] <Pici> Do indirect memberships to ubuntumembers qualify those people for ubuntu cloaks?
[12:38] <Hobbsee> yes.
[12:38] <Hobbsee> kubuntu membership == ubuntu membership == edubuntu memberhsip, etc
[12:38] <Hobbsee> seeing as we don't give out separate kubuntu cloaks
[12:39] <Daviey> Ubuntu membership should be harder than Kubuntu, to show that Ubuntu is better :D
[12:40] <Pici> Hobbsee: What about motus?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> they're members too
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Pici: they can get membership thru motu now
[12:41] <Pici> Well, then, I think that the irc-council should make sure that all their members know this.
[12:41] <Hobbsee> if they've made motu, they've definetly done the contribution side.
[12:41] <PriceChild> Pici, the motu team on launchpad is inside the ~ubuntumembers group on launchpad
[12:41] <Hobbsee> irc-council:  fix it, kthxbye.
[12:41] <PriceChild> as is kubuntumembets
[12:41] <PriceChild> *kubuntumembers
[12:41] <PriceChild> Pici, I'm not sure what you mean? whose members know what?
[12:42] <PriceChild> (going to exam in 10 mins so please be quick)
[12:43] <Pici> PriceChild: It could just have been a misunderstanding, but it my my impression that nal denied astharot a cloak yesterday because he was an indirect member of ubuntumembers
[12:44] <Pici> My connection was being a bit unstable, so it could just have been that I missed something though.
[12:44] <ubotu> atoponce called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[12:45]  * Pici opens a can of worms
[12:46] <PriceChild> Pici, ok well indirect membership *is* membership so will talk to nalioth about it when I get back :)
[12:46] <PriceChild> Pici, i know he's cloaked people with indirect membership before and we've talked about it
[12:48] <ikonia> what are the requirments for membership, they seem a little grey
[12:48] <Tm_T> PriceChild: Pici: like me for example
[12:48] <ikonia> from time to time they do I should say
[12:49] <PriceChild> ikonia, sustained contribution to ubuntu of around 3 months, can currently be applied for through the CC, KC or MC. You must also sign the CoC to agree to follow it.
[12:49] <ikonia> that seems basic enough
[12:49] <ikonia> define contribution though
[12:49] <Pici> 'seems'
[12:49] <PriceChild> ikonia, the idea is that soon other councils like forums and irc will be able to approve too
[12:49] <PriceChild> ikonia, *anything*
[12:49] <PriceChild> ikonia, loco's, code, artwork, support, etc. etc.
[12:50] <ikonia> PriceChild: ahh ok, so say a forum contributer would be potentially "ok"
[12:50] <ikonia> thats a wider net than I thought
[12:50] <Tm_T> ikonia: or just irc lurking
[12:50] <PriceChild> ikonia, forums council are about to go through the process to start being ok to approve
[12:50] <ikonia> very interesting
[12:50] <PriceChild> ikonia, yeah and i'm pretty sure its going to be a *lot* harder to be approved by them
[12:50] <PriceChild> it'll be mostly forum staff, team leaders etc. that go through that route
[12:51] <Pici> Does sabdfl sit on the other boards other than the CC? in terms of aproving members?
[12:51] <PriceChild> Pici, nope
[12:51] <PriceChild> and i think the CC are tired of approving members at meetings
[12:51] <PriceChild> so i doubt he'd wanna be ;)
[12:51] <Pici> Interesting.
[12:51] <Hobbsee> no
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Pici:
[12:51] <PriceChild> well not tired then, but want to spend time on more important matters
[12:51] <Pici> Hobbsee:
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Pici: he's on the tech board
[12:51] <Pici> Hobbsee: Do those approve members?
[12:51] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, they don't approve members do they?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, it would be nice if one of them actually looked at irc
[12:51] <Hobbsee> no, they don't.
[12:52] <jussi01> Tm_T: whoops, wasnt thinking there.
[12:52] <Pici> Well, my question was only regarding memberships.  ;)
[12:52] <Tm_T> jussi01: :-P
[12:52]  * Hobbsee attempts to poke
[12:52] <PriceChild> fail
[12:53] <Hobbsee> no, it appears i've passed
[12:53] <Hobbsee> whether he'll do it or not...i've no idea
[12:53] <Pici> !test | Hobbsee
[12:53] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Failed.
[12:54] <Pici> ubotu has spoken.
[12:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about has spoken. - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:54]  * PriceChild resists
[12:54] <Hobbsee> yay, success!
[12:55] <PriceChild> I'm off, back in a couple of hours
[12:56] <PriceChild> hopefully nal will be back around that time too
[12:56] <jussi01> have a good exam PriceChild
[12:56] <Pici> Good luck
[13:05] <Daviey> :`( @ Hobbsee
[13:07] <Tm_T> Daviey: yes?
[13:07] <Daviey> Tm_T: yep
[13:40] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, erawfish said: !Ops Poobleo is a spammer
[13:40] <dgjones> can somebody have a look at <Poobleo> Finnaly finished my project -> http://tinyurl.com/34vk45 in #ubuntu, 2nd time posted in the channel
[13:41] <ikonia> is this just spam ?
[13:41] <ikonia> coooh never mind, just re-read
[13:42] <dgjones> thanks elkbuntu
[13:42] <elkbuntu> yes, it's some 'get people to click here to advance' kinda game thing. i had to check it wasnt just some clueless idiot
[13:42] <Hobbsee> as long as it wasn't on nimp.
[13:43] <Dave2> he's gone, anyway.
[13:43] <Dave2> (from the network, that is)
[13:43]  * Tm_T hugs elkbuntu 
[13:44] <elkbuntu> Dave2, courtesy a free k-ticket?
[13:44] <Dave2> indeed
[13:46]  * elkbuntu wishes there was a way to preemptively k-ticket the romneybots :)
[13:46] <ikonia> I like the phrase k-ticket
[13:46] <elkbuntu> ikonia, yep. it goes non-stop to hell
[13:46] <Hobbsee> chuga chuga chuga chuga chuga chuga choo choo!!!
[13:47] <Pici> !train
[13:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about train - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:47] <ikonia> fed up of people in ubuntu "the windblows attitude of needing to reboot"
[13:47] <ikonia> there is nothing wrong with requiring a reboot, kernel updates require reboots
[13:47] <elkbuntu> ikonia, i'm fed up with any idiotic mash of windows or microsoft to be honest
[13:48]  * jussi01 seconds that
[13:48] <ikonia> just people trying to sound anti-microsoft for no reason
[13:48] <ikonia> "wow the MS solution of rebooting"
[13:48] <elkbuntu> i can tolerate MS, since it's an abbreviation, but the rest i hate
[13:48] <ikonia> he had to reboot - he did a kernel update
[13:48] <Dave2> elkbuntu, if you really want to make people fear it, you tell 'em it's going... to Hull :O
[13:48]  * Hobbsee just calls it 'doze.
[13:48] <ikonia> winblows M$ etc etc etc
[13:48]  * Dave2 hides from any Hull residents.
[13:48] <ikonia> Dave2: onl a uk guy would get that
[13:48] <elkbuntu> Dave2, i was thinking /dev/null personally
[13:48] <ikonia> only
[13:48] <ikonia> hull is worse !
[13:49] <elkbuntu> yes, but people will at least *get* it
[13:49] <elkbuntu> although, you brits could do /dev/hull and it'd probably be got
[13:50] <elkbuntu> anyway, the reason i hate the anti-MS stuff is because it makes our people seem as bad as their people
[13:52] <ikonia> exactly
[13:52] <Pici> There was a good post on planet-u a while back from someone basically telling everyone to cut it out.
[13:53] <ikonia> and rightly so
[13:55] <elkbuntu> whilever we have people in certain FOSS projects bagging the heck out of other FOSS projects, we'll never stop the bagging of Microsoft
[13:56] <ikonia> just tired of it, especially when the people saying it don't actually know why they are saying it, just because they think it's cool
[13:57] <elkbuntu> yep, like 'micro$haft will die and we will rule teh world!' kinda crap
[13:57] <ikonia> so tired of it
[13:57] <elkbuntu> like hello, replacing one homogenous global network with another is just stupid
[13:58] <jussi01> I can ha cheeseburger az well?
[13:58] <elkbuntu> so effing stupid it'd be laughable if it weren't such a dangerous notion
[13:58] <ikonia> Pici: thank you, that was me being stupid
[13:59] <ikonia> Pici: I was actually going for "flashissues" but was just scrappy
[14:05] <mneptok> i love those generous homos.
[14:06] <mneptok> always skipping up and throwing decent taste and assorted fabulousness.
[14:24] <jughead> hey can I get a check please?
[14:26] <Mez> jughead, one sec
[14:29] <Mez> where are you banned form jughead?
[14:29] <jughead> #ubuntu
[14:30] <Mez> unbanned.... thanks LjL
[14:30] <Mez> I guess my script isn't working
[14:30] <jughead> thanks Mez
[14:39] <elkbuntu> LjL, you ought to put that 'if you really want to try un-b0rk your automatix-violated machine' stuff into a factoid if it's not already
[14:40] <ikonia> despite how good LjL suggestion is, a clean install is the best way to be certain they are on a standard platform
[14:40] <ikonia> they can mess up peoples advice
[14:40] <ikonia> and waste others time trying to help them a.) fix it b.) get support on a borked platform
[14:40] <LjL> elkbuntu, not really because on one hand, i'm really unsure it's enough, and on the other, debsums *always* gives a lot of errors about legitimate packages, so it really involves a lot of manual trickery to do it correctly
[14:41] <LjL> if we had better tools, it would be more feasible, and months ago we were actually thinking of an automated procedure to get rid of third party stuff
[14:41] <LjL> but the tools are just missing, the integrity-check blueprint is not in place yet
[15:24] <ubotu> Jack_Sparrow called the ops in #ubuntu (Phap)
[15:59] <astharot> uhm my cloak needs an update :P
[16:00] <PriceChild> astharot, hmm?
[16:02] <astharot> see my cloak
[16:02] <PriceChild> astharot, what's wrong with it?
[16:03] <astharot> i'm here to get a ubuntu/member one
[16:03] <LjL> err... you *have* one.
[16:03] <astharot> ah sorry
[16:03] <PriceChild> astharot, do you not want the pdpc bit?
[16:03] <astharot> uhm
[16:03] <astharot> it's not that I don't want it's that I'm not a supporter anymore :)
[16:03] <PriceChild> pdpc and freenode cloaks stack
[16:03] <astharot> it's not... "fair" ?
[16:03] <LjL> PriceChild: don't show off your cloak... it's ridiculous enough :P
[16:04] <PriceChild> LjL, was just giving an example
[16:04] <PriceChild> that he's not hte only one
[16:04] <PriceChild> astharot, ah right, if you're no longer donating then might be polite to inform a staffer :)
[16:04] <LjL> PriceChild: yeah but your cloak is hilarious still
[16:04] <PriceChild> LjL, how's it hilarious?
[16:04] <no0tic> LjL, why?
[16:05] <astharot> PriceChild: where to ask?
[16:05] <LjL> astharot: indeed, we don't have much to do with pdpc cloaks. you have an ubuntu member cloak, that's what competes to us... for pdpc, inform staff
[16:05] <LjL> PriceChild: in #freenode, or to /stats p
[16:05] <PriceChild> astharot, see above
[16:05] <astharot> ok
[16:06] <LjL> no0tic, PriceChild: ljl!n=ljl@continued/sustainer/of.the.fact.that/pricechilds/x-39483/cloak.is.hilarious
[16:08] <astharot> [17:08] * p :0 staff members
[16:08] <astharot> [17:08] * p :End of /STATS report :\
[16:08] <PriceChild> astharot, patience then :)
[16:08] <PriceChild> irc may be real-time, but people aren't always availiable
[16:09] <astharot> yep i know
[16:09] <astharot> I'm waiting on freenode :)
[16:09]  * Dave2 finds himself highlighted
[16:09] <PriceChild> astharot, ask this guy ^ 8-)
[16:10] <astharot> hello Dave2, can you please remove pdpc supporter status on my cloak?
[16:11] <Dave2> sure
[16:11] <astharot> thank you
[16:11] <Dave2> done
[16:12] <astharot> thank you again
[16:12] <PriceChild> Anything else we can help with astharot?
[16:12] <astharot> nah dun think so :D
[16:12] <PriceChild> Ariel_Eran, PreZ, how can I help?
[16:13] <LjL> PriceChild: prez is redirected here from other channels
[16:13] <Pici> Hrm?
[16:13] <PriceChild> wraund, Can I help? Last time I saw you spoke on irc was when you wanted a cloak months and months ago and I'm not sure what you're up to :)
[16:21] <wraund> PriceChild: i had a freenode staffer i know amend my cloak :)
[16:21] <PriceChild> wraund, pardon?
[16:21] <wraund> PriceChild: freenode staffer..
[16:22] <wraund> changed my cloak
[16:23] <PriceChild> wraund, after an "ok" by one of the ubuntu irc council in here.
[16:23] <PriceChild> Not sure what relevance this has to anything?
[16:23] <wraund> 16:13 +     PriceChild : wraund, Can I help? Last time I saw you spoke on irc was when you wanted a  cloak months and months ago and I'm not sure what you're up to :)
[16:23] <ikonia> colchester lug, thats the same one Gary is part of
[16:23] <wraund> yeah
[16:23] <Pici> wraund: I think the question is: What are you still doing here then?
[16:23] <wraund> Gary changed it for me
[16:24] <wraund> oh
[16:24] <wraund> its on my autojoin list i think
[16:24] <wraund> #ubuntu-ops
[16:25] <Pici> wraund: I dont mean to sound rude, but we like to keep this place as free of idlers as possible.  All the people here have a reason to be here.  That way we know who needs to be helped, and who doesnt.
[16:26] <wraund> ah ok no problem
[16:26] <Pici> See /topic regarding idlers etc.
[16:27] <Pici> astharot: see my above discussion with wraund as well :)
[16:27] <astharot> Pici: just ask :) bye
[17:00] <no0tic> any freenode staffer around?
[17:03] <jussi01> no0tic: do /stats p
[17:04] <no0tic> jussi01, nobody :)
[17:04] <jussi01> no0tic: )
[17:05] <no0tic> but I _know_ they are :)
[17:09] <LjL> what's the matter no0tic
[17:16] <no0tic> there's a channel named #ubuntu-it-unofficial and, as the name says, it's not official :) I pleased the owner to drop the channel and register ##ubuntu-it-unofficial if he'd like, they started offending me
[17:17] <no0tic> s/pleased/requested gently/ :)
[17:17] <PriceChild> no0tic, stuff like that should be in -irc, and please get the #ubuntu-it (or ljl) to request it
[17:17] <PriceChild> *the #ubuntu-it contact
[17:17] <jdong> s/requested gently/threatened with a staffer/g? :)
[17:18] <no0tic> PriceChild, sorry :)
[17:18] <PriceChild> no0tic, no need to be :)
[17:19] <no0tic> PriceChild, anyway I'm not the #ubuntu-it contact only for bureaucratic reasons, I'll soon be, when our LoCoTeam Council will give it to me
[17:20] <PriceChild> fun fun fun
[17:20] <LjL> no0tic: ssssht.
[17:20] <ikonia> why is #ubuntu-it-unofficial a problem ?
[17:20] <PriceChild> no0tic, is there a loco council now?
[17:20] <LjL> PriceChild: course
[17:20] <no0tic> PriceChild, yes
[17:21] <PriceChild> Wow didn't know it had finally been created.
[17:21] <PriceChild> When did that go infront of the CC?
[17:21] <jussi01> hmmm, anyone know of a factoid that explains why we dont have the latest version of everything? !worksforme is good, but is there something better?
[17:21] <jdong> !jdongisonvacation?
[17:21] <jdong> ;-)
[17:21] <ikonia> there is something like !bleedingedge
[17:21] <LjL> -> #ubuntu-irc
[17:21] <ikonia> !latest
[17:21] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[17:21] <ikonia> there you go
[17:22] <jussi01> ikonia: thats just !worksforme aliased...
[17:22] <ikonia> oh
[17:22] <jdong> but the real explanation is something along the lines of me not having my backports ransom...
[17:22] <ikonia> it does explain why
[17:22] <PriceChild> no0tic, LjL, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams/LoCoCouncil says its not done yet?
[17:22] <no0tic> PriceChild, our LoCoTeam is already official, we have mdke in our loco council ;)
[17:22] <LjL> PriceChild, he meant the *italian* loco council
[17:22] <PriceChild> ahhhhhhh :)
[17:22] <LjL> which is the equivalent of the community council for the italian team
[17:22] <PriceChild> That makes more sense.
[17:26] <kojiro> Hi, could someone please keep an eye on ra, I think he may be trolling
[17:26] <kojiro> thanks :)
[17:26] <PriceChild> kojiro, we're there :)
[17:27] <LjL> PriceChild: well, i'm only there because he said "ops" to begin with ;)(
[17:27] <kojiro> good to know
[17:27] <LjL> kojiro, there's !ops for emergency (though in that case it probably wasn't entirely justified)
[17:27] <kojiro> danke schoen
[17:27] <PriceChild> LjL, i had just caps'd him
[17:27] <jussi01> Hmm, what do people think of yao_ziyuan in #k?
[17:27] <LjL> PriceChild: ah right, though he did
[17:27] <LjL> thought
[17:28] <LjL> jussi01, what about him? slightly offtopic?
[17:28] <jussi01> LjL: hes been slightly offtopic for days...
[17:28] <jussi01> several times, "suggestions"
[17:28] <jussi01> Ive refered him to !bug
[17:33] <stdin> jussi01: do what I do, remind them that it's a support channel not a "complain about every little thing" channel
[17:35] <ikonia> little help guys
[17:36] <ikonia> chaps couple of trolls buildiong up
[17:36] <ikonia> stamp on it early pelase ?
[17:36] <ikonia> please ?
[17:41] <ikonia> craytruckish is back in #ubuntu
[17:41] <ubotu> Daviey called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[17:41] <ubotu> ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu (CrazyTurkish)
[17:41] <nalioth> klined
[17:41] <ikonia> ta
[17:42] <Dave2> stupid tab completion.
[17:42] <stdin>  EvilToaster (i=eviltoas@c134-149-70-80.bjare.net) has joined #ubuntu < interesting nickname
[17:42] <stdin> wait, missread that with a dirty mind :p
[17:42] <ikonia> as did I
[17:43] <Dave2> Somehow I didn't.
[17:43] <stdin> now I just want toast
[17:45] <ikonia> Crazymethjesus: crazyturkish again ?
[17:45] <mneptok> not unless he's connecting through Finland
[17:46] <ikonia> just checking
[17:46] <ikonia> seemed a conincidence
[17:46] <ikonia> I couldn't see turks ip so couldn't be certain
[18:37] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[18:37] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[18:38] <stdin> floodbot2 is insisting on -Rrm
[18:43] <LjL> stdin: yes there is a bug there somewhere
[18:43] <LjL> stdin: it *is* supposed to enforce -rRmi whenever someone else does, to make server desync as unlikely as possible
[18:43] <LjL> but it insisted a tad too much
[18:44] <LjL> also it really shouldn't set -r when i only set -R
[18:44] <LjL> although it's intended to do that... but seeing it happening, i now realize it's not a good idea
[18:44] <mneptok> LjL: i just de-opped you, assuming you had forgotten you were +o. no offense.
[18:44] <stdin> It started after your -R
[18:45] <LjL> mneptok: i hadn't, i usually stay opped for a while after an attack
[18:45] <ubotu> Arelis called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic ()
[18:45] <LjL> stdin: yes, it's what they're supposed to do - "parrot" your -r or +R in order to make sure it propagates to all servers (since it did happen in the past that it wouldn't, and that's *not* nice)
[18:45] <LjL> they've just been too insistful about it
[18:47] <LjL> err, s/+R/-R/
[20:14] <Pricey> gah leave my laptop alone for an hour in the other room, go back and its frozen and its 'L' key is half broken
[20:15] <Seeker`> Pricey: what happened?
[20:15] <Seeker`> and is it now a _ key? or a |?
[20:15] <Pricey> no Idea, think its fixed now though
[20:15] <Pricey> hehe
[20:16] <Seeker`> PriceChild: did you have a good chrsitmas / new year?
[20:19] <PriceChild> yeah was cool, had a BBQ at new years with some family
[20:19] <Pici> How was the exam?
[20:20] <PriceChild> better than expected, 2 down, 3 to go
[20:28]  * Seeker` has exams next week :(
[20:38] <ompaul> Seeker`, in two weeks you will have others in the future and those in the past
[20:48] <Seeker`> ompaul: but the ones in the future are far enough away not to worry about
[20:49] <PriceChild> Its not the exams you should worry about anyway
[20:49] <PriceChild> You should prepare for exams
[20:49] <ikonia> the results ?
[20:49] <PriceChild> its the results you worry about
[20:49] <ikonia> worry about them
[20:49] <ompaul> ikonia, worry about facts?
[20:49] <ompaul> na
[20:49] <ompaul> there is no worry
[20:49] <ikonia> you are not yoda
[20:50] <ikonia> do, or do not, there is no try
[20:50] <ompaul> ikonia, have you been in -ot cos I did a serious brain melt on people in there
[20:50] <ompaul> :)
[20:50] <mneptok> https://launchpad.net/~mneptok
[20:50] <ikonia> I was lurking in there for most of today, but I've had a reasonably busy day so not kept track
[20:50] <ikonia> ompaul: I'll last log it
[20:51] <ikonia> mneptok: well I never
[20:51] <mneptok> yes, padawan?
[20:51] <mneptok> ;)
[20:52] <ikonia> I've just shaved my obi-wan beard off
[20:52] <ikonia> well, I did on sunday night
[20:52] <mneptok> i'd shave mine off, but the razor burn on my butt is annoying.
[20:52] <ikonia> ha ha ha ha
[20:53] <mneptok> k, shift's over. monkey go home.
[20:54] <ompaul> mneptok, enjoy
[20:54] <ikonia> byeeee
[20:54] <ompaul> mneptok, or you could say ---- nuts
[20:57] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, RyanPrior said: !apple is <reply> the company who makes the !macbook and the !iPod, among other products. These are generally compatible with Ubuntu. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOnMac for more details.
[21:37] <elektronik123> witam
[21:38] <PriceChild> Hi elektronik123, how can I help?
[21:38] <elektronik123> who is op on #ubuntu-pl ?
[21:38] <Jack_Sparrow> He was banned
[21:39] <PriceChild> elektronik123, did you see who banned/kicked you? You should pm them, or someone else listed on /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-pl list
[21:39] <elektronik123> ju-rek
[21:40] <PriceChild> elektronik123, well message him and try to come to an agreement with him :)
[21:40] <elektronik123> i don`t remember ?
[21:41] <elektronik123> ops
[21:41] <elektronik123> with out ?
[21:41] <PriceChild> pardon?
[21:41] <Perdente> what?
[21:41] <elektronik123> my english is not good
[21:41] <PriceChild> Perdente, hello?
[21:41] <PriceChild> elektronik123, if ju-rek banned you, then talk to him.
[21:42] <Perdente> hey, I think I might be in the right channel, I was looking for an ubuntu channel about helping create modules for ubuntu apps, or working on ubuntu, do you know what a good one would be?
[21:42] <Perdente> err, *wrong channel
[21:42] <elektronik123> can you read the access list on #ubuntu-pl ?
[21:43] <jpatrick> elektronik123: I can
[21:43] <PriceChild> elektronik123, yes. Who banned you? You said ju-rek?
[21:43] <PriceChild> Perdente, the /topic normally helps ;)
[21:43] <PriceChild> !participate | Perdente
[21:43] <ubotu> Perdente: To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[21:43] <elektronik123> yes
[21:43] <Perdente> haha.. thanks, sorry about that
[21:43] <PriceChild> Perdente, I would assume you want #ubuntu-motu if that link doesn't help :)
[21:43] <PriceChild> elektronik123, then talk to him.
[21:44] <elektronik123> but i don`t remember
[21:44] <Perdente> thanks guys will do, didn't mean to bother y'all
[21:44] <PriceChild> Perdente, good luck, looking forward to seeing your contributions :)
[21:44] <elektronik123>  ju-rek :No such nick/channel
[21:44] <PriceChild> elektronik123, give me a minute to find someone for you to talk to.
[21:44] <elektronik123> not good
[21:45] <elektronik123> ok
[21:45] <jpatrick> elektronik123: can you see the access list?
[21:45] <elektronik123> no
[21:45] <jpatrick> elektronik123: here you go http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3382/
[21:45] <elektronik123> i am normal user
[21:46] <PriceChild> jpatrick, he can see it perfectly fine.
[21:47] <elektronik123> i have block before Christmas
[21:47] <PriceChild> elektronik123, please be patient.
[21:48] <elektronik123> ok
[21:48] <elektronik123> i`m wait
[21:49] <ompaul> elektronik123, please talk with pressenter - as this is the person who banned you - #ubuntu-pl is not a ubuntu irc council controlled channel
[21:49] <ompaul> PriceChild, sorted
[21:49] <ompaul> there ya go
[21:55] <ompaul> elektronik123, this is not the channel for resolving that - we have asked someone to inform you of what you must do, I think there is nothing else we can do for you
[22:27] <ubotu> Flare183 called the ops in #ubuntu (aladdinsane)
[23:24] <pressenter> PriceChild: Message recieved, but i will not take elektronik123 ban off.
[23:25] <PriceChild> pressenter, have you talked to him about it? Thanks very much for dealing with the issue.
[23:25] <pressenter> PriceChild: He's gone now, but i will talko with him if he comes up again.
[23:26] <PriceChild> pressenter, thanks, I think another op talked to him also.
[23:26] <pressenter> He's very annoying, what he has proven today, that's why the ban stays.
[23:26] <LjL> hello FlintPearce
[23:26] <FlintPearce> Hello all
[23:27] <LjL> pressenter, you're entirely entitled to decide which bans stay, no need to justify anything to us... it's just that the guy came to complain here
[23:27] <FlintPearce> I got told to join this room as my from my ISP there is a lot of spam. I was attempting to join #ubuntu as my friend has a problem with his LiveCD of 7.10
[23:27] <LjL> FlintPearce: i will let you join #ubuntu momentarily
[23:27] <FlintPearce> Thanks you
[23:28] <pressenter> LjL: I know, it's just that i feel kind of stupid because of this whole situation. Never had such user before, he was writing to almost everyone he could.
[23:28] <LjL> some people are like that *sigh*
[23:32] <FlintPearce> Btw, how could I join the Ubuntu room without having to come into this channel and ask someone to redirect?
[23:33] <PriceChild> FlintPearce, are you on a dynamic ip?
[23:34] <FlintPearce> Yes  (ashamed)
[23:34] <PriceChild> ashamed?
[23:34] <PriceChild> oh is that an isp?
[23:35] <FlintPearce> No im just ashamed, I asked my mum to get Static. Pfft didn't listen
[23:35] <FlintPearce> My ISP is Iberbanda
[23:35] <PriceChild> LjL, shall we maybe put an exempt on *!?=flint@83.230.* instead?
[23:35] <nalioth> PriceChild: go for it
[23:35] <FlintPearce> Im no spammer rest assure :D
[23:36] <FlintPearce> Thank you all.
[23:36] <PriceChild> FlintPearce, you shouldn't have any problem anymore, as long as your username remains "flint".
[23:36] <FlintPearce> Ok. Thanks.
[23:36] <LjL> PriceChild: yes
[23:36] <PriceChild> Exempts are really clever, I've never had to do one before.
[23:36] <FlintPearce> Have a good day :D
[23:36] <LjL> they're not malicious most likely
[23:37] <PriceChild> You too.
[23:37] <LjL> i mean the 83's
[23:37] <LjL> it's the first who's actually a legitimate user :)
[23:38] <PriceChild> and he read a topic!!!
[23:38] <PriceChild> How unlikely is that
[23:40] <PriceChild> This laptop has a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge shift key
[23:40] <PriceChild> its literally that long
[23:40] <PriceChild> and you know what they say about the size of your shift key!
[23:42] <LjL> PriceChild: unlikely enough that he deserves every exempt he asks for ;)
[23:43] <PriceChild> :)
[23:44] <ardchoille> PriceChild: hahahaha
[23:46] <ardchoille> PriceChild: Warn us before you say stuff like that.. I almost fell out of my chair.
[23:47] <PriceChild> "big shift key, smaller amount of other keys"
[23:48] <LjL> ardchoille: ouch, we forgot "Fasten seat belt when entering this channel" from the topic
[23:48] <PriceChild> WARNING! The following topics are o4o (offtopic for ops).....
[23:50] <ardchoille> LjL: Indeed :)
[23:54] <PriceChild> I think we should lift the prez ban.
[23:59] <LjL> PriceChild: reason=
[23:59] <LjL> ?
[23:59] <PriceChild> and if not lift, then remove the forward...
[23:59] <PriceChild> PreZ, can i help you?