[00:01] In #xfce don't want help me because I told them I'm using xubuntu, them sent me here... [00:04] is there any Xubuntu guru here? [00:06] leche, do you speak Spanish? [00:06] un poco ;-) [00:06] has encontrado alguna vez ayuda en este canal? [00:06] but not enough, just started... [00:06] wait, this will take a while [00:06] don't worry ;) [00:07] que significa encotrado? [00:07] found help in this channel [00:07] I've never found any [00:07] hmm, yes, one time i found help [00:07] :) [00:08] whats your problem? [00:08] i usually dont read alot here... [00:08] I made an update to gutsy, it was an error [00:09] udev HAL thunar, don't work properly [00:09] hmm, did you remove all "system relevant packages? [00:09] uh, thats bad... [00:09] I made it wit update manager [00:10] it worked for me... i did it twice and no problems [00:10] It was not the first time I did something like that [00:10] the time before every thing was ok [00:11] but this time no icons at the desktop when I plug a removable device [00:11] this could be just a preference [00:11] but im new to xfce.... [00:11] my thunar is not compiled with HAK support [00:11] that's the message [00:12] HAK? [00:12] HAL [00:12] i think theres an extra package for thunar [00:12] if you want the file management [00:12] ehm [00:12] Yes I have it [00:12] not file management, drive management [00:13] the problem now is that i can't remove thunar to recompile without remove xface [00:13] thunar-volman or thunar-volman-plugin [00:13] no from synaptic [00:14] yes i have thar [00:14] that [00:14] why cant you remove it? [00:14] because synaptic tells me it has to remove xfce too [00:15] I can try from a terminal but i wanted to ask for som advice here [00:15] i dont think it will actually remove xfce if you remove thunar, if you still want t ouse thunar just reinstall it [00:16] I made it already [00:16] but it still has not support for HAL [00:16] i think its possible [00:17] well, a reinstall is done in 30 min if all fails... [00:17] ;-) [00:17] a xubuntu reinstall? [00:18] or an xfce? [00:18] xubuntu [00:18] hmm... from the CD? [00:18] fix the system? [00:18] that way? [00:19] its not the ubuntu way i know [00:20] sorry I don't understand. [00:21] a new installation? [00:21] format the HD, etc? [00:22] Thank for the help :) [00:23] I¡ll try with apt-get first, if that fails, I'll re-install the xubuntu. [00:23] bye [00:23] :) [00:23] bye [00:26] I have a tricky question... You know when the kernel is booting you provide it a root device (ie root=/dev/sda1). Can you give point the kernel to boot to use a subfolder, via chroot, on that device? [00:49] on google earth i keep getting a message to update my graphic card driver. on this page in the ubuntu docs, it says to look into the restricted drivers, but the only thing listed in my restricted drivers folder is hal ... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=482611 anybody know how i might update ati rage mobility driver? [00:57] !ati [00:57] To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [00:57] err [00:57] !ati > mikubuntu [00:58] ty [00:58] np [01:15] How would I setup a dual boot with windows xp [01:15] !dualboot [01:15] Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot [01:16] hey guys - is it normal for the installer/live cd (7.10) to boot into a shell prompt when you choose to install? [01:18] soldats: I see that Xubuntu will try to repartition my HD itself, rather than I need to partition it myself ? [01:18] like in the 'old days' ? [01:18] Installing windows first, then the linux, etc.. [01:19] yes [01:20] ypou need to partition it yourself i think [01:20] ok, I have the dell resource parition also I don't need deleted [01:23] well if you read through those pages it should tell you how to do it, i believe you need to install winblows and when you do the linux partition it will partition it for you, or you can partition it yourself with gparted or another tool [01:27] I'm downloading the alternatve install cd, though I'm still not sure why I'm dropped off at a prompt for the regular install cd - if anyone has a comment about that, it might be helpful :) [01:28] if it goes to a prompt type install [01:33] It's just the first install option on the list. [02:13] Hi there [02:14] Does anyone know of a program that does the same thing that winscp does for linux? [02:16] hi [02:16] I'm running eeeXubuntu on my Asus eee, and seeing as how there is practically no place for support of it specifically, I came here to ask my question [02:17] basically, I want to bind a script to be run as root to 2 of the hotkeys on the keyboard [02:17] I have no idea how to do so [02:17] mainly because of the root-ness [02:17] anyone know what to do? [02:39] = ( [02:39] how long does it take to install update-manager-core [02:39] seems like it freezes there everytime [02:45] excellent [02:45] fastest ubuntu ever [02:45] xubuntu alt installer in, console [02:45] apt-get twm [02:46] ill call it tubuntu! [02:46] no gtk or kde [02:46] heh [02:47] what win manager is twm [02:47] I call it tiny window manager [02:47] basic to the extreme [02:47] but it runs all apps [02:47] is it real [02:48] yes [02:48] i run it on freebsd [02:49] cool is there a home page [02:49] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom's_Window_Manager [02:49] ahh also have you heard of dwm [02:49] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Twm.png [02:50] you can make it look alot nicer than that [02:50] can find already made custom .twmrc cfgs [02:50] with screenshots =) [02:51] this ? [02:51] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_Window_Manager [02:51] no [02:51] one sec [02:51] why not just use ratpoison and avoid the mouse, while you're at it :P [02:51] dillo + abiword + prboom + irssi [02:51] on 400 mhz [02:52] runs fast [02:52] with twm [02:53] http://www.suckless.org/wiki/dwm [02:53] twm looks really cool though [02:54] i love simple looking stuff [02:54] gnome and xfce are too "pretty" [02:54] whats the thing u type in terminal to shut down all firefox programs.. it its already running but i closed it like 5min ago [02:54] but i do still love E16 [02:54] cool [02:55] twm is standard Xorg [02:55] any ideas.. [02:55] even if you dont install it, you probably have it [02:55] XinFei, "pgrep firefox" and then "kill PID" where PID is the second number listed [02:55] XinFei, killall firefox-bin [02:55] yuh or that ^^ [02:55] thank you === aro is now known as jsk [02:56] it says no process killed [02:56] when i type killall firefox-bin [02:56] ps -a|grep fire [02:56] wait [02:56] nvm it works [02:56] >_> [02:56] heh === jsk is now known as aroo [02:56] Catoptromancy, really i did not know it was standard, where would i look to see if its there [02:56] thx for helping out the newb [02:56] /etc/X11/ [02:56] np [02:57] Catoptromancy, lol brain fart, figures i should look thar [02:57] stanard = MOST distros have it laying around somewhere [02:57] hey [02:57] another question [02:57] how do I control what starts up with xubuntu on a basic level [02:57] synaptic keeps running on boot [02:57] Catoptromancy, did you see the dwm page [02:57] ya looks cool [02:57] autostarted programs doesn't have anything [02:58] Catoptromancy, i really like tinkering with window managers so it seems to fit my needs [02:58] ya theres a really good page [02:58] you can adjust everything [02:58] menu option = edit one line in a cfg [02:58] its actually commented on how to do it in the cfg [02:59] $locate twm [02:59] dont know if ubuntu installs it [02:59] It came with Fedora, FreeBSD and Slackware [02:59] ahh [02:59] anyone? [02:59] i wonder if arch has it [02:59] haxality, inits [02:59] probabl6 [03:00] rclocal [03:00] ahh [03:00] oh wait oops === aroo is now known as aroo_ [03:00] where can I find the config files for these things? [03:00] /etc/init.d? === aroo_ is now known as aroo [03:01] synaptic keeps running on boot [03:02] are you really sure you want to turn that off? [03:02] well, not on boot [03:02] but on xfce login [03:02] and yes, I'm sure I don't want synaptic popping up and eating half the screen every time I login :P [03:02] heh k [03:04] heh wow, this will be challenging [03:04] I dont even have xorg.conf [03:05] hahaha [03:05] wow [03:05] bad time to ask I guess :x [03:06] Catoptromancy, is it possible to not have xorg.conf [03:06] sure [03:06] i install command line only [03:06] and manually pieces of xorg [03:06] anything is possible in linux [03:06] and twm [03:06] one of my friends was running arch w/ ratpoison with the entire WM coded in perl scripts [03:07] no xorg anywhere [03:07] oh yea well i didnt realize you only had twm [03:07] to install NetGear WG311 wifi adapter card on xubuntu box do i have to install the software BEFORE putting the card on the motherboard? The papers accompanying the card say 'run the cd before putting the card in'.Though the CD is for windows only [03:08] Catoptromancy, well i install cli as well but i always get xfce or gnome to easily navigate around till im used to the distro then boot cli and use screen [03:08] im just messing around [03:09] got ubuntu in vbox [03:09] im learning xorg [03:09] xorg seems wierd to me [03:09] heh [03:10] i dont know why though [03:10] what part of it?> [03:11] i think i need to write my own xinitrc [03:11] maybe since ive only manually editted it like 3 times but the way its set up is differentt from standard programming languages for some reason i feel more comfortable editing those [03:11] its not even programming [03:11] yea i know [03:11] just a fairly basic cfg [03:12] but i mean i prefer editing scripts and source [03:13] need to remember the order perfectly [03:13] yuh [03:13] like X > Startx > Xsession [03:13] what each file reads from and adds to [03:13] heh I ran startx without an xorg.conf [03:13] and it just spammed console with "creating authorites [03:14] * Catoptromancy deleted like 50 of them [03:14] and had to reboot to stop it [03:14] could the startx command be somewhere in the cfg to start twm [03:14] ya [03:14] i need to fully edit it [03:14] its a totally stripped setup [03:15] i even had to #ln -sv startx to X [03:15] heh [03:15] lol [03:16] i probly havent been using linux for nearly as long as you but im still getting more into advance stuff per weekly basis [03:16] and [03:17] i dont know why when i do locate twm it says my /var database is more than 8 days old and wont even locate anything [03:17] sudo updatedb? [03:17] i dont think ubuntu even installs it [03:17] ah ha [03:18] well i was just checking for good measure [03:18] its a very fast download heh [03:18] i like the look of it and i might try it out [03:18] like 400 kb [03:18] for a wm [03:18] wow [03:22] http://xwinman.org/vtwm.php [03:23] heh screenshots [03:23] and the cfgs used [03:23] http://xwinman.org/screenshots/twm-system.gif [03:23] thats default [03:23] http://xwinman.org/screenshots/twm-thomas.jpg [03:26] wow the 1st link reminded me of windows 3.1 (the only one i ever liked) just a litte prettier [03:28] but once you open a program, the program looks norma; [03:28] i had abiword open in freebsd [03:28] fullscreen [03:28] it looked 95% like it did in xfce [03:29] nice just like dwm [03:30] seems the only reason im usong xfce nowadays is because if someone has a problem it easy for me to duplicate it and find a fix for it. its almost the only joy i get in life to help people [03:30] heh [03:30] s/usong/using [03:31] gnome is nice, but its not exactly like Xfce [03:31] Xfce is like perfect [03:32] yuh, i thought it was funny that in gnome you caould add shortcuts in the menu to open folders in nautilus but in xfce you cant unless you do a little research cause the menu seems more restricted in editing. [03:33] * soldats drinks too much and cant type [03:34] ya Xfce menu is the only thing awkward [03:38] yea if you add an entry in the menu editor and for command you do exo-open --working-directory %f /folder/of/your/choice you can open anyfolder you want just like in gnome [03:38] i thought it was cool eventhough i never use it [03:40] haha [03:40] got it [03:40] cept cfg was blank, so i got no menus or nothing [03:41] * Catoptromancy its all wallpaper and mousepointers [03:43] 600 mbs for my ubuntu install [03:43] i could slim it way down though [04:14] 100% [04:14] = ) [04:20] lol yea a very minimal install of ubuntu would be nice [04:20] im working menus [04:21] and it loads X so fast, [04:22] i boot to cli then do startx and xfce seems to load prety fast for being bigger than e16 or fluxbox [04:24] this load instantly [04:24] 1 sec [04:24] in a virutal machine [04:24] got xterm+bash on main menu [04:24] <_slvmchn_> fluxbuntu is a 300 mb install cd [04:25] <_slvmchn_> very slimmed down [04:25] with X? [04:25] errnm [04:25] nm [04:25] heh [04:25] ya i installed a bunch of stuff i didnt need [04:25] wasnt quite sure [04:25] hello, gang! [04:26] rello [04:26] can I rip a CD faster with cdda2wav than cdparanioa without much loss in quality? [04:28] quality depends on what format you use [04:28] I don't mean the encoded quality, I intend to use LAME MP3, but I mean the WAV quality. Doesn't paranoia have error-correcting stuff? [04:32] hmm never used it, i has no cd burner. i figure it really doesnt mapper the speed as long as you tell it to burn at the lowest speed and the quality will be good. even if its cli based if the speed is low it will still be good [04:32] s/mapper/madder [04:34] It's not a burner, it's a ripper. [04:35] Takes forever normally. Currently using abcde which can use both programs. [04:35] There is a speed setting for abcde though. [04:36] well the slowest speed always makes a better burn or rip [04:36] maybe 16 [04:36] ok [04:37] it was just annoying that it took the same amount of time to rip a CD on my new laptop as on my old creaky desktop. [04:43] how big is it [04:58] Why would the password popup for Administrative Tasks hang for a very long time after entering my password? It happens on my desktop, but not on my media PC. [05:02] not sure but it may be a lag if you have a few open processes using lots of memory while tring to do something as root [05:02] on a slow system [05:03] It's a quadcore 2.4Ghz system with 2GB of memory, and nothing really running [05:03] it's not slow [05:04] hmm wierd what command was it (out of curiosity) [05:04] the update manager [05:04] The dialogue box you get when there are updated packages. [05:04] http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/1053/snapshot30ds4.png [05:05] But, it happens no matter how I get to the graphical sudo box. [05:05] It could just be a root-only settings app. [05:05] wow ive heard the quadcores werent as fast since nothing is really made for them the dual core is faster but its wierd. is it in the gui for update manager [05:05] Catoptromancy, ha thats awesome [05:06] its tubuntu! [05:06] Anyone know how to set ALSA's default sound device? [05:06] BrokenPipe, that happened to me when i had ubuntu but i did a reboot and it worked fine from then on. i dont want to say a reboot is necessary but "it worked for me". [05:06] alsactl [05:07] man alsactl [05:07] do I have to do that every time I boot up? [05:07] no [05:07] store saves the current driver state for the selected soundcard to the [05:07] configuration file. [05:08] well after the reboot i did it always worked fine with no problems, also i wonder if your internet connectivity may have something to do with it? [05:08] soldats... it's happened since I installed, after many updates, and many reboots [05:09] Catoptromancy, that doesn't set the default [05:09] its saves current settings [05:09] i think it was because my router went out and after the root passwrod it hung since after the password it wanted the internet to download [05:09] its make your settings right now default [05:09] ... [05:09] alsamixer them right [05:09] them alsactl store [05:09] and makes them default [05:10] no [05:10] it doesn't [05:10] I need to change the default *device* [05:10] oh heh [05:10] not the configuration of the devices [05:10] are you wireless [05:11] no [05:12] well the only thing i can think of in my frame of mind is a bad connection to the intertubes [05:12] it may hang if it cant read the connecton status [05:14] man, ubuntuforums.org search sucks [05:14] this sound thing is really bugging me [05:14] I can't seem to put the volume control module on my panel either [05:15] with alsa you should go to the gui for sound devices and select alsa [05:21] xfce4-mixer just seems plain broken [05:21] hmm i wonder why [05:22] i use it, what distro are you using [05:25] hey guys I am having some xubuntu trouble... [05:25] why would I come to #xubuntu if I wasn't running it? [05:26] cause xubuntu runs xfce by default [05:28] I just installed xubunti to my notebook, everything installed fine. After the restart I got the grub screen, then my screen went black for about ten minutes but the harddrive light was still blinking [05:29] after about ten minutes my screen turned back on but all I have now is a blank screen and an X mouse cursor [05:29] did you have a promt [05:29] no [05:29] hmm it may be a graphics card problem [05:30] I had kubuntu installed once and had a boot splash problem [05:30] where the boot splash wouldnt appear [05:30] could it be related? [05:31] I had xubuntu 6.04 installed before upgrading to 7.10 and it worked fine [05:31] it was after upgrading to 7.10 through the update manager when this happened [05:33] well if you have a promt type "startx" and see if it works, if its an upgrade problem id suggest getting the livecd and doing a fresh install and if that doesnt work either look to the forums of file a bug report [05:34] ok [05:43] ok weird... [05:44] it works now!!! [05:45] hrmm ok maybe not... [05:45] sorry :) [05:45] wow what did you do [05:45] well I got a boot splash for a second that time after a restart [05:46] now its back to black [05:46] dont think its a video problem [05:46] maybe a faulty install then... [05:46] its a possibility [05:46] I will take your advice and download the newest live cd [05:46] make sure you install everything you need for running the gui [05:47] yuh the 7.10 is best for now [05:47] well I installed 7.10 through the update manager [05:47] but I was also doing some other things [05:47] cpu and net intensive stuff [05:47] if possible make sure you have xubuntu-desktop clicked for install and xorg-x11 checked for install if you do it again [05:48] maybe a packet got lost and corrupted everything [05:48] yea maybe [05:48] if all else fails I will just install the xubuntu GUI through ubuntu and run it that way [05:48] usually if it gets lost it gets it again but its a possibility, maybe just try to get the newest livecd [05:49] I will [05:49] the xubuntu livecd is the fastest in my opinion [05:49] took me about 30 minutes [05:49] full install [05:49] yeah [05:51] Im such a linux noob [05:51] well usually youll get a cli terminal if your X for some reason doent start but i really dont know why you dont [05:52] its some kind of boot error or something [05:52] I got the grub screen [05:52] but have you tried the recovery mode and looked in the /var/logs for X and seen what happened [05:52] then the xubuntu screen for a few seconds [05:52] then my monitor turned completely off [05:52] after about 10 minutes it cuts back on but still like its in sleep mode [05:53] and I get a cursor icon that I can move around [05:53] and my HD light is blinking [05:53] can you type anything [05:53] nope [05:53] wierd [05:53]