| allee_ | bigon: should it go to /usr/share/dbus-1/services so dbus find it? | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| bigon | yep | 00:01 |
| allee_ | aka /usr/share/dbus-1/services | 00:01 |
| allee_ | for kde specific files one needs to tweak the prefix but only for them | 00:02 |
| hunger | Good night. | 00:04 |
| allee_ | hunger: nite | 00:04 |
| === allee_ is now known as alleeHardy | ||
| bigon | even files in bin/ | 00:04 |
| bigon | . | 00:05 |
| bigon | ? | 00:06 |
| alleeHardy | stuff in bin/ depends only on qt libs so /usr/bin should be okay IMHO | 00:06 |
| alleeHardy | s/only qt/not on kde/ | 00:06 |
| bigon | mmm | 00:06 |
| bigon | http://experimental.debian.net/fetch.php?&pkg=decibel&ver=0.5.0%2Bsvn737972-2&arch=powerpc&stamp=1195781792&file=log&as=raw | 00:06 |
| bigon | the build log of decibel on debian | 00:07 |
| nixternal | ppc | 00:07 |
| nixternal | http://experimental.debian.net/build.php?arch=&pkg=decibel | 00:08 |
| nixternal | that is for all | 00:08 |
| * bigon surrender | 00:10 | |
| bigon | could someone else fix the FTBFS of decibel? | 00:10 |
| Riddell | mornfall: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Perl+Qt4?content=69747 (!) | 00:14 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Doesn't really seem to be compatible with perl-qt3 though? It is apparently based on SWIG and not SMOKE. Dunno though. At least if it is the same one I have seen before. | 00:15 |
| * nixternal heads out for some sush, sake, and sapporo! | 00:18 | |
| * nixternal can't spell, sushi!!! not sush :p | 00:18 | |
| Jucato | sush.... :P | 00:19 |
| Jucato | I've never tasted sake before... is it really good as they say? :) | 00:19 |
| nixternal | oh ya | 00:20 |
| nixternal | hot sake will put you on your arse..the best hacking medicine one could ask for :) | 00:21 |
| Jucato | hahah | 00:21 |
| DaSkreech | Hey Jucato | 00:22 |
| Jucato | hi Das | 00:22 |
| DaSkreech | how goes? | 00:22 |
| Jucato | very fine... :) | 00:23 |
| Jucato | made another new year's resolution... | 00:23 |
| Jucato | write only short blog posts unless absolutely necessary :) | 00:23 |
| DaSkreech | Ha ha :) | 00:24 |
| * DaSkreech resolved not to make any resolutions | 00:24 | |
| DaSkreech | I lost :-( | 00:25 |
| Jucato | :P | 00:25 |
| Riddell | mornfall: right, I hadn't seen it before | 00:26 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: Vote! | 00:38 |
| Jucato | hm? | 00:39 |
| DaSkreech | Should I suck it up and do pure KDE4? | 00:39 |
| Jucato | what do you mean by "do pure KDE4"? | 00:39 |
| DaSkreech | Jump into KDE4 with nothing that needs KDE3 libs | 00:40 |
| Jucato | I vote "no" | 00:40 |
| DaSkreech | well as much as can be avoided | 00:40 |
| DaSkreech | I'll use non KDE stuff where I can | 00:41 |
| DaSkreech | like mplayere | 00:41 |
| Jucato | you're going to be using *a lot* of non-KDE stuff then :) | 00:41 |
| DaSkreech | How much? | 00:41 |
| DaSkreech | I'll do FF3 just cause I can't live without the extensions anyway | 00:42 |
| Jucato | as much as the KDE 4.0 apps that don't work properly yet :) | 00:42 |
| DaSkreech | mplayer for audio stuff | 00:42 |
| DaSkreech | what else do I need? | 00:42 |
| Jucato | 4.x apps I mean (including trunk) | 00:42 |
| DaSkreech | I have centerim for IM | 00:42 |
| DaSkreech | Hmm | 00:42 |
| DaSkreech | I guess irssi for IRC | 00:43 |
| * Jucato doesn't get what's the point then... | 00:43 | |
| jjesse | Jucato: dang how long can your posts get? | 00:43 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: what else is missing? | 00:43 |
| Jucato | jjesse: that's hopefully the last :) | 00:43 |
| DaSkreech | jjesse: Is that a challenge? :-) | 00:43 |
| jjesse | DaSkreech: man i hope not, my eyes glazed over halfway through | 00:43 |
| Jucato | yeah... it's a year end review... but anyway.. like I said, no more long posts from me unless absolutely necessary :) | 00:44 |
| Jucato | anyway, breakfast | 00:45 |
| jjesse | grin just giving you a hard time | 00:46 |
| Jucato | nah, I gave myself a hard time too... | 00:47 |
| Jucato | but I still might do long personal blog posts, but those would probably not be in the planet (different tag, different feed :P) | 00:48 |
| * DaSkreech steals Jucato back | 01:04 | |
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| Riddell | nixternal: still no ktorrent-kde4 4.0.0 | 01:18 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: what else do you see as detrimentally missing? | 01:20 |
| Vorian | Riddell: I have it if you want an upload | 01:21 |
| Riddell | nixternal: rsibreak doesn't contain the magic debian/rules kludge to add wrapper scripts in /usr/bin and /usr/share/applications | 01:21 |
| Riddell | Vorian: does it have the magic debian/rules kludge? | 01:21 |
| Vorian | lemme check | 01:22 |
| Riddell | Vorian: http://pastebin.com/m671bbbc6 | 01:22 |
| Riddell | you need to change the install/ target to something suitable | 01:22 |
| Vorian | Riddell: nope | 01:24 |
| Riddell | Vorian: could you add that and test it compiles? | 01:24 |
| Vorian | sure thing | 01:24 |
| Vorian | Riddell: in the kde.mk? | 01:25 |
| Riddell | Vorian: in debian/rules | 01:25 |
| Vorian | duh | 01:25 |
| Vorian | sorry | 01:25 |
| Riddell | ideally it would go in kde.mk but I can't find a target that works for all builds | 01:26 |
| Vorian | that makes sense | 01:26 |
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| jjesse | grgh iwhy can't i get vm to vm network communication when on wireless | 01:52 |
| jjesse | ooo thunderstorms | 01:54 |
| Vorian | Riddell: it built fine | 01:54 |
| Riddell | Vorian: and you get something in usr/bin ? | 01:54 |
| Vorian | I also have his rsibreak | 01:54 |
| Vorian | Riddell: only usr/share and usr/lib | 01:58 |
| Riddell | Vorian: what did you change the install rule to? | 01:59 |
| Vorian | and usr/lib/kde4/bin | 01:59 |
| Riddell | Vorian: I need to go to bed but you need to change that top "install/kgeography-data-kde4::" to "install/ktorrent-kde4::" or maybe just "install::" whatever works | 02:01 |
| Riddell | debuild -nc is your friend for working out what works | 02:01 |
| Vorian | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51293/ | 02:01 |
| Vorian | Riddell: thanks for the tip :) | 02:01 |
| Riddell | or maybe "common-post-build-indep::" | 02:04 |
| Vorian | i'll give that a whirl | 02:05 |
| DaSkreech | hi Hobbsee | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | heya | 02:37 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: Vote :) should I go KDE4 pure? | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | n oid ea;0 | 02:38 |
| DaSkreech | I want to help with Bug reports etc | 02:38 |
| DaSkreech | I think I'll find my way into KDE3 most of the time if it annoys me | 02:39 |
| DaSkreech | I'm sick of Gutsy freezing on me now so I'm going to hardy | 02:39 |
| DaSkreech | but I thinking hardy && KDE4 pure :) | 02:39 |
| coreymon77 | hardy=when? | 02:40 |
| DaSkreech | coreymon77: for me or for release ? | 02:40 |
| coreymon77 | the latter | 02:41 |
| DaSkreech | april | 02:42 |
| coreymon77 | ah | 02:42 |
| DaSkreech | coreymon77: want to toss a vote in? | 02:42 |
| coreymon77 | i wonder whats gonna be done for I | 02:42 |
| coreymon77 | DaSkreech: for what | 02:42 |
| DaSkreech | Should I go KDE4 pure? | 02:42 |
| coreymon77 | dunno | 02:43 |
| coreymon77 | havent tried it yet | 02:43 |
| DaSkreech | coreymon77: Gut feeling :) | 02:43 |
| coreymon77 | with my desktop box, im waiting till its stable | 02:43 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah reasonably I should as well | 02:43 |
| coreymon77 | i sure hope that the release after hardy is gonna be lts, because pretty soon im gonna have to stop upgrading my distro on my desktop box | 02:44 |
| coreymon77 | but i want to wait for a lts for that | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | .....*decides not to comment* | 02:46 |
| coreymon77 | sooner or later, my computers not gonna be able to handle newer distros | 02:46 |
| coreymon77 | Hobbsee: what, i was told that hardy is not gonna be a kubuntu lts, isnt that right? | 02:46 |
| DaSkreech | coreymon77: it is not | 02:48 |
| coreymon77 | DaSkreech: i know | 02:49 |
| coreymon77 | which is why im wondering if i should bother will kde4 yet at all on my desktop | 02:49 |
| coreymon77 | im wondering if it can handle it | 02:49 |
| DaSkreech | coreymon77: it will after a while | 02:50 |
| coreymon77 | huh? | 02:50 |
| coreymon77 | whats that supposed to mean | 02:50 |
| coreymon77 | isnt the 11th stable release? | 02:50 |
| DaSkreech | KDE and Macs drop system requirements after the first few iterations | 02:50 |
| coreymon77 | DaSkreech: my desktop is a dell box | 02:51 |
| coreymon77 | DaSkreech: from 2002 | 02:51 |
| coreymon77 | DaSkreech: only my laptop is a mac | 02:51 |
| coreymon77 | DaSkreech: my mac will be able to handle it easy | 02:52 |
| DaSkreech | coreymon77: :-) | 02:53 |
| coreymon77 | its the dell box im not sure about | 02:53 |
| nixternal | you won't see a Kubuntu LTS possibility until 2010 | 03:08 |
| nixternal | who runs LTS anyways? | 03:08 |
| Jucato | that is the question ) | 03:09 |
| Jucato | :) | 03:09 |
| nixternal | Riddell: haven't uploaded ktorrent-kde4.0 just yet | 03:09 |
| Jucato | well, some individual users do... but not major rollouts of Kubuntu.. nothing Canonical can make money from :) | 03:09 |
| Vorian | nixternal: it needs to change | 03:09 |
| nixternal | Riddell: should every app have that magic kludge btw? this is the first I have seen it I think | 03:09 |
| nixternal | bah, I am to drunk tonight to do it possibly :p | 03:10 |
| Vorian | lololol | 03:10 |
| nixternal | to much magic developer juice | 03:10 |
| Jucato | you're two drunk? O.o | 03:10 |
| Jucato | hm... which reminds me :) | 03:10 |
| nixternal | ya, I went with 4 sakes and 4 sapporos | 03:10 |
| nixternal | 8x to many | 03:10 |
| Jucato | man! I wish I knew a place here that sold/served sake | 03:11 |
| Vorian | nixternal: I'll send you the updated ktorrent | 03:11 |
| Vorian | and some aspirin | 03:11 |
| nixternal | oh jeesh, /me closes email | 03:11 |
| nixternal | hehe | 03:11 |
| Vorian | lol | 03:11 |
| nixternal | no aspirin, sake and sapporo leaves you hangover free | 03:11 |
| Vorian | werd | 03:12 |
| nosrednaekim | #join #ronpaul | 03:13 |
| * DaSkreech hits nosrednaekim | 03:13 | |
| nosrednaekim | OOPS :) | 03:14 |
| nosrednaekim | manchicken is gonna kill me | 03:14 |
| * manchicken stabs nosrednaekim | 03:14 | |
| nixternal | boooyah | 03:14 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 03:14 |
| nixternal | who is ron paul? they don't talk about him on tv :p | 03:14 |
| nosrednaekim | heh | 03:15 |
| manchicken | nixternal: That's because he's an idiot. | 03:16 |
| nixternal | is clinton whoopin' obama right now? to lazy to crawl to the tv | 03:16 |
| nixternal | The NH primary was completed faster than my gentoo install :( | 03:16 |
| nixternal | hahahhaha, that is from twitter | 03:16 |
| nixternal | good stuff | 03:16 |
| nosrednaekim | haha, yeah... clinton is winning so far as I have heard. | 03:17 |
| nixternal | clinton and mccain win NH...Live Free or Die is their state motto, obviously they all want to die :p | 03:17 |
| manchicken | heh | 03:18 |
| nosrednaekim | my uncle voted Ron Paul.... I guess he is goning to live ;) | 03:18 |
| nixternal | hah, giuliani beat paul...about time...hell manchicken could be paul :p | 03:18 |
| nixternal | s/be/beat | 03:18 |
| nixternal | sorry, don't want to clump you in with him | 03:18 |
| manchicken | nixternal: I hope Fred Thompson is appropriately ashamed for having lost to a white nationalist. He should have worked harder. | 03:19 |
| nixternal | oh lord, i see thompson just below "write-ins" | 03:19 |
| nosrednaekim | haha | 03:19 |
| nixternal | he still thinks the primaries are a citcom | 03:20 |
| manchicken | Nice. | 03:20 |
| yuriy | under Paul you could live free AND die | 03:20 |
| manchicken | nixternal: Where are you looking? | 03:20 |
| nixternal | fox news | 03:20 |
| Vorian | fox news ftw | 03:20 |
| Vorian | ! | 03:21 |
| nixternal | everything else *.liberal is beat up by adaware :p | 03:21 |
| manchicken | That's where I'm watching, but only because they're doing well with their reporting. | 03:21 |
| nixternal | that's a first | 03:21 |
| Vorian | seriously, who would vote for McCain or Huckabee? | 03:21 |
| nixternal | I am voting for mickey mouse | 03:21 |
| manchicken | Well, nobody else is framing in their commercials with the poll results coming in even through the commercials. | 03:22 |
| nixternal | fox news went all espn like they do for auto racing :p | 03:22 |
| nixternal | speaking of auto racing, 1 more month until nascar | 03:22 |
| yuriy | Vorian: NH and iowa respectively apparently.. | 03:23 |
| Vorian | yuriy: they don't count though :) | 03:23 |
| Vorian | ok | 03:23 |
| Vorian | 5 or 6 delegates | 03:23 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: wouldn't want to front my Bro 700 dollars :) | 03:24 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: I can pay you back by Weekend | 03:24 |
| nixternal | if I had $700 I would cut my wrists and die rich | 03:24 |
| Jucato | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/pointers.png (intermission) | 03:25 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: you really are drunk :-) | 03:25 |
| Jucato | nixternal: not before you transfer that $700 to me right? :) | 03:25 |
| Vorian | nixternal: incoming | 03:26 |
| Jucato | heh Vorian's recent blog post was the complete opposite of mine :) | 03:30 |
| * Jucato should learn to write one-liner posts :/ | 03:30 | |
| Vorian | :) | 03:30 |
| Vorian | yours was teh bestest tho Jucato :) | 03:31 |
| Jucato | haha | 03:31 |
| jjesse_ | wow its crazy stormying out | 04:04 |
| DaSkreech | Here too | 04:04 |
| jjesse_ | tornado warning | 04:04 |
| jjesse_ | wait just a tornado watch | 04:04 |
| jjesse_ | DaSkreech: where are you at? | 04:04 |
| Jucato | 83.6F... :/ | 04:05 |
| DaSkreech | jjesse_: no where near you | 04:05 |
| jjesse_ | ah :0 | 04:05 |
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| * Hobbsee comes back | 04:51 | |
| ScottK | Sounds ominous | 04:58 |
| * Hobbsee DOOMs ScottK | 04:59 | |
| ScottK | At least I'd get some rest. | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | no you wouldn't. | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | well, depends where you get doomed too | 04:59 |
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| Tonio_ | hi there | 10:04 |
| mhb | morning | 10:48 |
| Riddell | abend | 10:50 |
| mhb | Riddell: abend? wo bist du denn? | 10:51 |
| Riddell | hmm, you beat me | 10:52 |
| mhb | Riddell: are you overseas again? | 10:52 |
| mhb | Riddell: australia? | 10:54 |
| Riddell | not yet | 10:57 |
| Riddell | US next week | 10:57 |
| mhb | ah, the forbidden land | 10:58 |
| Riddell | yeah, I didn't give back my green immigration slip last time I was there, they may get grumpy and not let me in | 10:58 |
| mhb | it's the UDSprint, right? Enjoy it (and support Kubuntu as much as possible)! | 11:00 |
| Riddell | it's the KDE release event | 11:00 |
| mhb | ah | 11:01 |
| mhb | UDSprint elsewhere? or offline? | 11:01 |
| mhb | it says January 24th in the schedule, so I assumed | 11:01 |
| mhb | totally forgotten about the release event :o) anyway, good luck convincing people to try Kubuntu! Those that are not biased, that is :o) | 11:02 |
| Riddell | hardy sprint is in London in Canonical Towers | 11:08 |
| mhb | ah | 11:09 |
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| === \sh_away is now known as \sh | ||
| hunger | Any idea what might break kwallet in hardy? | 12:41 |
| Riddell | hunger: it works for me | 12:50 |
| mhb | hunger: well | 12:51 |
| hunger | Riddell: I found a bugreport for feisty which describes my problem (#86168) | 12:51 |
| mhb | hunger: .kde/ -> .kde4/ home dir might be it | 12:51 |
| hunger | Unfortunately removing the kwalletrc which was given as a workaround there does not work for me:-( | 12:52 |
| mhb | bug 86168 | 12:52 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 86168 in kdelibs "kded crashes in KWallet (forgotten KMail password)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86168 | 12:52 |
| hunger | mhb: I never ran kde4 with my normal user. | 12:52 |
| mhb | hunger: hmm, yes, I had trouble with KDE4 & kwallet, but no crashing | 12:52 |
| mhb | this is something different | 12:52 |
| hunger | Deleting the ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet fixes the issue. But then the passwords are gone just as they are now. | 12:53 |
| * hunger grumbles that he can not update the bugreport in LP. | 12:54 | |
| hunger | The password is in kwallet. | 12:54 |
| Riddell | hunger: why can't you update the bug report? | 12:56 |
| Riddell | oh, I see | 12:56 |
| hunger | Riddell: The sympthoms are similar to those described here: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64671 | 13:02 |
| ubotu | KDE bug 64671 in general "Kded uses 100% of the CPU on first Wallet access" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 13:02 |
| hunger | It is supposed to have been a qt bug. | 13:03 |
| Riddell | anyone able to test today's daily CD? it doesn't work for me | 13:22 |
| bddebian | Heya | 14:07 |
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| jpatrick | Riddell: who can I ask for a kubuntu-es ML? | 14:40 |
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| mhb | jpatrick: canonical admins is my guess | 14:43 |
| jpatrick | mhb: yes, but I need someone's email to bug | 14:44 |
| jpatrick | :) | 14:44 |
| Jucato | mailman@lists.ubuntu.com maybe? | 14:45 |
| mhb | well, you should request stuff at rt@admin.canonical.com | 14:45 |
| Jucato | oh | 14:46 |
| mhb | I don't recommend it as you're gonna wait a long time before someone takes a look at it | 14:46 |
| mhb | a month at least | 14:46 |
| jpatrick | hmm | 14:48 |
| jpatrick | hi claydoh | 14:53 |
| jpatrick | jussi01: mate, that was jono, the Community manager (or something) like that for Ubuntu | 14:54 |
| claydoh | hi jpatrick | 14:55 |
| jussi01 | jpatrick: he should know better... :P | 14:55 |
| * claydoh is chatting on a 10 year old laptop from bed | 14:55 | |
| jpatrick | jussi01: and you too :p | 14:56 |
| jussi01 | LOL | 14:56 |
| * claydoh had knee surgery yesterday | 14:56 | |
| * jussi01 goes home... too long at work... | 14:56 | |
| Jucato | claydoh: oh... chatting and chatting at the same time... how are you feeling? | 14:56 |
| claydoh | fine actually | 14:57 |
| Jucato | why the surgery? something happened? | 14:57 |
| claydoh | tho this boat anchor thinlpad 770 is rather heavy | 14:57 |
| Jucato | O.o | 14:57 |
| claydoh | kneecap issues, tears and cycts in the cartilage | 14:58 |
| claydoh | nothing major, was only out for about 2 hours total | 14:58 |
| Jucato | ouch :( | 14:59 |
| Jucato | still a surgery :) | 14:59 |
| claydoh | yeah needles an stuff | 14:59 |
| claydoh | but the persistent pain ive had the past few monts/year is already gone :) | 15:01 |
| Jucato | that's good :) | 15:01 |
| Jucato | sKalpel... | 15:01 |
| claydoh | they used a small scope and a small tool, very small cuts, and I have pictures of the inside of my knee lol | 15:02 |
| Jucato | O.o | 15:03 |
| Jucato | gRoss | 15:03 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: *G*ross | 15:04 |
| Jucato | :P | 15:04 |
| claydoh | not really | 15:05 |
| Jucato | it's more fun to say gRoss..or gnome-ross | 15:05 |
| allee | Riddell: I'm rsyning the daily-live. Is a virtualbox install okay or should it be real hardware? | 15:27 |
| Riddell | allee: anything thanks | 15:36 |
| allee | Riddell: vbox: life-sys booted and install copied 50 % data, growing 55% ... | 15:38 |
| jpatrick | hmm, should I point jono in #kde-devel to the PPA archive? | 15:43 |
| Artemis_Fowl | When will the KDE4 packages be available? Friday? | 15:44 |
| jpatrick | Artemis_Fowl: when KDE4 is released | 15:44 |
| Artemis_Fowl | The same day? | 15:45 |
| jpatrick | most probably (I guess) | 15:45 |
| Artemis_Fowl | nice... | 15:45 |
| * hunger grumbles about hardy. | 16:43 | |
| hunger | aptitude crashes, kwallet is broken, gcc ICEs a lot, suspend is broken, ... really annoying. | 16:43 |
| hunger | monotone does not work anymore either:-( | 16:47 |
| amachu | Riddell: hi | 17:02 |
| Riddell | allee: please report on the iso testing site | 17:11 |
| TheInfinity | hmm | 17:20 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: can you please process bug 181558 | 17:34 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 181558 in gutsy-backports "Please backport kdmtheme (1.2.2-0ubuntu1) from Hardy" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181558 | 17:34 |
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| allee | Riddell: sorry was busy. URL? in wiki Testing/ISO seem to be about gutsy | 17:45 |
| allee | ah google suggests iso.qa.u.c | 17:46 |
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| Riddell | allee: that's the one | 18:29 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | Next meeting: 12nd January 11:00 | Please test candidate CDs http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | ||
| Serega | hi all | 18:47 |
| jpatrick | Serega: /topic | 18:48 |
| jpatrick | hi ;) | 18:48 |
| Serega | :) | 18:48 |
| Serega | nice topic | 18:48 |
| Serega | as usual | 18:48 |
| articpenguin3800 | if dual boot hardy and gutsy is it ok to give hardy my /home too? | 19:26 |
| fdoving | articpenguin3800: can be, but i won't suggest it, as newer versions of apps may upgrade the configfiles. | 19:28 |
| articpenguin3800 | ok i will just copy the /home files to the hardy partition then =) | 19:28 |
| fdoving | i would rather recommend having a separate mountpoint for your gutsy-home. | 19:29 |
| fdoving | yep. | 19:29 |
| fdoving | or mount your gutsy-home to /home/username/gutsy - for example. | 19:29 |
| articpenguin3800 | or /home/john/hardy | 19:30 |
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| tlayton | anybody having problems with pidgin on hardy? i get random crashes and it doesn't show in the tray | 19:51 |
| tlayton | i've tried both the hardy repo version (2.2) and a ppa version (2.3.1) | 19:52 |
| tlayton | oops, forgot to mention, this is in KDE 4, doesn't happen in KDE 3 | 19:53 |
| DaSkreech | Crashes/Freezes/irreconcilable stoppages suck | 19:55 |
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| davmor2 | Riddell: which needs testing most 32bit or 64bit? | 20:01 |
| allee | Riddell: can you kick a build of libkdcraw on hppa ia64 i386 and amd64? IMHO that not likdcraw fault: E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. or E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes | 20:04 |
| Riddell | davmor2: everything! | 20:05 |
| Riddell | davmor2: I did 32 bit desktop | 20:06 |
| davmor2 | :D don't know if I got that long ;) | 20:06 |
| allee | davmor2: then 64 bit ;) | 20:06 |
| davmor2 | I'll start with 64 and move on to 32 bit alt or live as a preference? | 20:07 |
| Riddell | I usually test live first | 20:07 |
| davmor2 | np | 20:08 |
| Riddell | since if something is horribly broken you may not have to wipe your hard disk to find out | 20:08 |
| davmor2 | I got spare test machines now :) | 20:08 |
| allee | ... or whatever untested at: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | 20:08 |
| davmor2 | allee: check out http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/subscriptions and see which have davmor2 in :) | 20:09 |
| allee | davmor2: looks like you have too much free time ;) | 20:12 |
| TheInfinity | http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,grossbild-1064101-527737,00.html <-- wie ekelig. | 20:12 |
| TheInfinity | arghj sorry | 20:12 |
| TheInfinity | wrong channel ;) | 20:12 |
| TheInfinity | here i wanted to ask if somebody tried hardy in a vm with vmware software | 20:13 |
| TheInfinity | because i get a compile error | 20:13 |
| TheInfinity | and this makes testing hardy more diificult ;) | 20:13 |
| TheInfinity | and also the question if its known that kde4 is completly broken | 20:13 |
| davmor2 | allee: that's not the time killer it's burning the 22 cd images to cd-rw's that's the killer :) | 20:14 |
| davmor2 | anybody know of a cd burner that can do it in half the time please god let me know ;) | 20:15 |
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| kwwii | Riddell: did you see the mail aobut banners on ev-marketing? | 20:39 |
| kwwii | Riddell: I assume that we want a kubuntu banner to be on display somewhere? | 20:39 |
| davmor2 | Riddell 64bit live installing seems okay on install will have a look at the live once it's finished :) | 20:45 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: spoke to soon :( I still get the message pop up saying a new medium has been detected once the hard-drive has been formatted. | 20:46 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: I will miss Basket | 20:47 |
| Riddell | davmor2: in virtual machine? | 20:48 |
| Riddell | kwwii: no, I'm not on ev-marketing, what does it say? | 20:49 |
| davmor2 | no real | 20:49 |
| davmor2 | Riddell:^^ I only test on real machines :) | 20:49 |
| smarter | does Hardy still use /etc/default/kdm.d/20_kubuntu_default_settings ? | 20:53 |
| smarter | Many users have troubles changing there wallpaper/theme since kubuntu use /etc/default/kdm.d | 20:54 |
| smarter | (see Bug #132723 ) | 20:54 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 132723 in kubuntu-default-settings "[gutsy] kdm use the default theme instead of the kubuntu one" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132723 | 20:54 |
| jpatrick | our theme rocks | 20:57 |
| smarter | jpatrick: I agree, but that's not a reason to force people to use it ;) | 20:57 |
| jpatrick | smarter: it's our distro | 20:58 |
| * jpatrick ducks | 20:58 | |
| smarter | "KDE customization: WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU" ^^' | 20:59 |
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| smarter | So bug #132723 is not a bug but a feature? :P | 21:01 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 132723 in kubuntu-default-settings "[gutsy] kdm use the default theme instead of the kubuntu one" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132723 | 21:01 |
| Riddell | smarter: there's probably a bug there, although I'm not clear what it is | 21:16 |
| smarter | Riddell: but why do we use /etc/default/kdm.d ? | 21:17 |
| Riddell | smarter: it lets us customise the kdm settings without editing a config file (which causes unnecessary and confusing questions when upgrading) | 21:19 |
| Riddell | it also should allow users to make their own changes, if it doesn't that is indeed a bug | 21:20 |
| smarter | Riddell: the kcm module to change kdm background still use kdmrc | 21:21 |
| smarter | so if you change it here, /etc/init.d/kdm does weird things | 21:21 |
| smarter | and people reported that kdmtheme doesn't work at all | 21:21 |
| Riddell | it should just see that it's changed and not overwrite it | 21:21 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: why is there so much stuff in lost and found? | 21:22 |
| smarter | Riddell: Yes but it test if the theme or the background is changed, and it assume that if you changed the background, you changed the theme | 21:22 |
| smarter | so if you change the background you get the default ugly kde3 theme | 21:22 |
| smarter | and it's very confusing for users | 21:23 |
| Riddell | davmor2: xdg menu sillyness, it'll be fixable | 21:23 |
| Riddell | smarter: that'll be a bug then :) | 21:23 |
| davmor2 | You forgot the Honest guvnor ;) | 21:24 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: everything ok in #kubuntu-es? | 21:31 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: more or less | 21:31 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: having my worse day as op | 21:31 |
| jpatrick | oh, looks like something's wrong | 21:33 |
| jpatrick | err, I'm putting +m for a while :\ | 21:34 |
| jpatrick | let things cool down for a while | 21:35 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: is Kub using pulse now? if so is there any chance of toning it down a bit by default..... It near blew my bloody ears off ;) | 21:49 |
| Riddell | davmor2: no, it's not | 21:50 |
| davmor2 | oh it's just loud then :) | 21:50 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: most things seem to be working okay anyway install was okay and it seems a bit faster than gutsy too | 21:52 |
| jpatrick | davmor2: you using amarok? | 21:52 |
| Longfield | hello here. I've been a Kubuntu user for a while and with KDE4 coming, I would like to help the distro I use. I'm a Computer Engineer, and I have experience in both C++ and pyhton, and QT too (not with python bindings yet) ... where would be my help appreciated ? | 21:53 |
| davmor2 | jpatrick: no, I have but it was the system login sound that woke me up | 21:54 |
| jpatrick | davmor2: ha right | 21:54 |
| jpatrick | Longfield: of course! | 21:54 |
| jpatrick | Longfield: we need help porting the apps to KDE4 right now | 21:57 |
| Longfield | jpatrick: ok, good, maybe you could point me to something specific where I could start off ? | 21:57 |
| jpatrick | Longfield: I'm not sure, maybe mhb can help you | 21:58 |
| bobofett | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu | 21:59 |
| bobofett | Read that page if you have not. | 21:59 |
| bobofett | Register for Launchpad if you have not. | 21:59 |
| bobofett | And lots of decent links there on that page I just gave you to get you started....I'm just starting with trying to help myself, but I wouldn't call myself a developer by any stretch of the imagination...Just testing and whatever I can do along the way. | 22:00 |
| nosrednaekim | Longfield: AFAIK, the major thing is porting kde3 systemsettings modules to KDE4 | 22:00 |
| Longfield | bobofett: thanks for the pointer ... | 22:01 |
| bobofett | hey I that's all I know too...lol The one thing I could pretend to help with...haha | 22:01 |
| mhb | hubba wa? | 22:05 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: we have a new slave for you.... introducing Longfield | 22:05 |
| mhb | hello Longfield | 22:06 |
| Longfield | hey mhb | 22:06 |
| mhb | Longfield: your help would be appreciated anywhere | 22:08 |
| mhb | Longfield: we are currently very much lacking on good system configuration tools ... that means the GUIs are often too complex and there is bit rot all over them | 22:09 |
| mhb | (those are usually written in Python, they're called Guidance configuration tools) | 22:10 |
| Longfield | like guidance-power-manager for instance ? | 22:10 |
| mhb | Longfield: yes and no. g-p-m was a part of the Guidance set, but KDE4 is going to have a new power manager that should be Good Enough for us to use | 22:11 |
| mhb | sebas: ^^ how's the KDE4 power manager, by the way? | 22:11 |
| mhb | Longfield: so guidance-power-manager is doomed to die of old age. | 22:11 |
| Longfield | OK, but I seen what you mean in general | 22:12 |
| mhb | Longfield: but they are tools like "mountconfig", "displayconfig" and "userconfig" that really need care | 22:12 |
| mhb | first of all, they're not ported to Qt4 yet | 22:12 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: its terrible feature wise... pretty much only battery life(unless you aren't talking about the default plasmoid) | 22:12 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: I'm talking about the g-p-m replacement sebas promised :o) | 22:13 |
| nosrednaekim | oh.. ok | 22:13 |
| Longfield | so one first step could be to port them to port one of them to at least qt4 ? | 22:14 |
| sebas | mhb: No progress, other than the plasmoid | 22:14 |
| mhb | Longfield: right | 22:14 |
| mhb | Longfield: that's one of the tasks Kubuntu really needs, | 22:15 |
| Longfield | good. Could you just tell me quickly where I can find some information about this Guidance set, and their codebase ? | 22:16 |
| mhb | Longfield: the good thing is that Kubuntu is the only KDE distribution that tries hard to integrate its configuration tools into KDE upstream = so all projects can easily benefit from them | 22:16 |
| mhb | Longfield: sure | 22:16 |
| mhb | Longfield: the easiest way is "apt-get source kde-guidance | 22:16 |
| mhb | " | 22:16 |
| sebas | Longfield: svn+ssh://svn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/extragear/kde3/utils/guidance | 22:18 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: mystery new device window appears on 32 bit too :) | 22:19 |
| Longfield | There are 6 guidance tools (display, mount, power, service, user and wine) and power is aimed to disappear because it should be included in KDE4, correct ? | 22:24 |
| mhb | right | 22:24 |
| davmor2 | allee: you about still? | 22:31 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: 64bit Alt dies trying to install language files Red Screen Of Death :) | 22:34 |
| Riddell | uh oh | 22:34 |
| davmor2 | do you want me to try without installing language packs? | 22:35 |
| davmor2 | got a feeling it is going to be a key issue | 22:36 |
| Riddell | davmor2: are there any handy log files to say what the problem is? | 22:37 |
| Riddell | it could just be a bad CD burn, maybe try a new CD? | 22:37 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: it was running fine to the point where it asks if you want to download language packs | 22:39 |
| davmor2 | I'll try it again and see :) | 22:40 |
| Riddell | davmor2: what language are you installing in? | 22:40 |
| Riddell | it shouldn't need to download anything if you're using English | 22:40 |
| davmor2 | english | 22:40 |
| Riddell | spooky | 22:40 |
| davmor2 | just running check cd | 22:41 |
| mhb | Riddell: are python-kde4 libraries in the Gutsy KDE4 repositories? | 22:47 |
| mhb | or anyone | 22:47 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: yes | 22:47 |
| Riddell | mhb: I think stdin put them in the ppa | 22:47 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Disc checks out on both md5sum and running check disk | 22:48 |
| Riddell | davmor2: a problem in d-i should affect all variants | 22:48 |
| Riddell | davmor2: noticed any ubuntu desktop testers complaining? | 22:49 |
| davmor2 | don't think they have been tested yet. I've not been here all day although I will be tomorrow :) | 22:50 |
| Riddell | I didn't see any reports on isotesting | 22:50 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: there's no alt tests done yet | 22:51 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: died again this time selecting no don't download any laguages | 22:55 |
| Riddell | so it might be a problem in whatever follows the languages bit | 22:56 |
| Riddell | davmor2: might be worth testing an ubuntu desktop CD, see if it has the same issue | 22:56 |
| Riddell | I'm afraid my machine is tied up just now | 22:57 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: bunch of error on Ctrl+Alt+F4. Can't find package language-pack-en then further down it says can't find task minimal and can't find task standard | 22:58 |
| Riddell | uh oh | 23:00 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I got to go unfortunately. I can try them all tomorrow but that's another day away. | 23:01 |
| davmor2 | posted to testing to try and get someone else to try | 23:01 |
| Riddell | davmor2: ok, thanks for your help | 23:01 |
| davmor2 | np I'll be back tomorrow morning | 23:02 |
| Longfield | I cannot install python-kde4 under gutsy, it wants want install kdebase-runtime-bin but cannot, any clue what it is ? | 23:02 |
| nosrednaekim | Longfield: why can't it? | 23:03 |
| stdin | Longfield: I think it'll need rebuilding against the new kde4libs et all | 23:03 |
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| Longfield | stdin: yeah, it could be a version problem (not good version that is packaged ..) | 23:04 |
| mhb | stdin: how soon can we expect a sane version to be in the repos? | 23:05 |
| stdin | around when 4.0.0 is out | 23:06 |
| mhb | stdin: thank you | 23:06 |
| stdin | when 4.0.0 comes out it'll be easier to maintain a package like that, less of a moving target | 23:07 |
| Longfield | thank you stdin ... I can easily understand that's it's complicated to keep all these different package versions in sync ! | 23:08 |
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| allee | dav/usr/share/pycentral/python-zodb/site-packages/ZEO/mkzeoinst.pyq:jjjj:qqq | 23:10 |
| allee | upps sorry | 23:10 |
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