[00:01] bigon: should it go to /usr/share/dbus-1/services so dbus find it? [00:01] yep [00:01] aka /usr/share/dbus-1/services [00:02] for kde specific files one needs to tweak the prefix but only for them [00:04] Good night. [00:04] hunger: nite === allee_ is now known as alleeHardy [00:04] even files in bin/ [00:05] . [00:06] ? [00:06] stuff in bin/ depends only on qt libs so /usr/bin should be okay IMHO [00:06] s/only qt/not on kde/ [00:06] mmm [00:06] http://experimental.debian.net/fetch.php?&pkg=decibel&ver=0.5.0%2Bsvn737972-2&arch=powerpc&stamp=1195781792&file=log&as=raw [00:07] the build log of decibel on debian [00:07] ppc [00:08] http://experimental.debian.net/build.php?arch=&pkg=decibel [00:08] that is for all [00:10] * bigon surrender [00:10] could someone else fix the FTBFS of decibel? [00:14] mornfall: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Perl+Qt4?content=69747 (!) [00:15] Riddell: Doesn't really seem to be compatible with perl-qt3 though? It is apparently based on SWIG and not SMOKE. Dunno though. At least if it is the same one I have seen before. [00:18] * nixternal heads out for some sush, sake, and sapporo! [00:18] * nixternal can't spell, sushi!!! not sush :p [00:19] sush.... :P [00:19] I've never tasted sake before... is it really good as they say? :) [00:20] oh ya [00:21] hot sake will put you on your arse..the best hacking medicine one could ask for :) [00:21] hahah [00:22] Hey Jucato [00:22] hi Das [00:22] how goes? [00:23] very fine... :) [00:23] made another new year's resolution... [00:23] write only short blog posts unless absolutely necessary :) [00:24] Ha ha :) [00:24] * DaSkreech resolved not to make any resolutions [00:25] I lost :-( [00:25] :P [00:26] mornfall: right, I hadn't seen it before [00:38] Jucato: Vote! [00:39] hm? [00:39] Should I suck it up and do pure KDE4? [00:39] what do you mean by "do pure KDE4"? [00:40] Jump into KDE4 with nothing that needs KDE3 libs [00:40] I vote "no" [00:40] well as much as can be avoided [00:41] I'll use non KDE stuff where I can [00:41] like mplayere [00:41] you're going to be using *a lot* of non-KDE stuff then :) [00:41] How much? [00:42] I'll do FF3 just cause I can't live without the extensions anyway [00:42] as much as the KDE 4.0 apps that don't work properly yet :) [00:42] mplayer for audio stuff [00:42] what else do I need? [00:42] 4.x apps I mean (including trunk) [00:42] I have centerim for IM [00:42] Hmm [00:43] I guess irssi for IRC [00:43] * Jucato doesn't get what's the point then... [00:43] Jucato: dang how long can your posts get? [00:43] Jucato: what else is missing? [00:43] jjesse: that's hopefully the last :) [00:43] jjesse: Is that a challenge? :-) [00:43] DaSkreech: man i hope not, my eyes glazed over halfway through [00:44] yeah... it's a year end review... but anyway.. like I said, no more long posts from me unless absolutely necessary :) [00:45] anyway, breakfast [00:46] grin just giving you a hard time [00:47] nah, I gave myself a hard time too... [00:48] but I still might do long personal blog posts, but those would probably not be in the planet (different tag, different feed :P) [01:04] * DaSkreech steals Jucato back === gryc_ is now known as gryc [01:18] nixternal: still no ktorrent-kde4 4.0.0 [01:20] Jucato: what else do you see as detrimentally missing? [01:21] Riddell: I have it if you want an upload [01:21] nixternal: rsibreak doesn't contain the magic debian/rules kludge to add wrapper scripts in /usr/bin and /usr/share/applications [01:21] Vorian: does it have the magic debian/rules kludge? [01:22] lemme check [01:22] Vorian: http://pastebin.com/m671bbbc6 [01:22] you need to change the install/ target to something suitable [01:24] Riddell: nope [01:24] Vorian: could you add that and test it compiles? [01:24] sure thing [01:25] Riddell: in the kde.mk? [01:25] Vorian: in debian/rules [01:25] duh [01:25] sorry [01:26] ideally it would go in kde.mk but I can't find a target that works for all builds [01:26] that makes sense === bigon is now known as bigon` [01:52] grgh iwhy can't i get vm to vm network communication when on wireless [01:54] ooo thunderstorms [01:54] Riddell: it built fine [01:54] Vorian: and you get something in usr/bin ? [01:54] I also have his rsibreak [01:58] Riddell: only usr/share and usr/lib [01:59] Vorian: what did you change the install rule to? [01:59] and usr/lib/kde4/bin [02:01] Vorian: I need to go to bed but you need to change that top "install/kgeography-data-kde4::" to "install/ktorrent-kde4::" or maybe just "install::" whatever works [02:01] debuild -nc is your friend for working out what works [02:01] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51293/ [02:01] Riddell: thanks for the tip :) [02:04] or maybe "common-post-build-indep::" [02:05] i'll give that a whirl [02:34] hi Hobbsee [02:37] heya [02:38] Hobbsee: Vote :) should I go KDE4 pure? [02:38] n oid ea;0 [02:38] I want to help with Bug reports etc [02:39] I think I'll find my way into KDE3 most of the time if it annoys me [02:39] I'm sick of Gutsy freezing on me now so I'm going to hardy [02:39] but I thinking hardy && KDE4 pure :) [02:40] hardy=when? [02:40] coreymon77: for me or for release ? [02:41] the latter [02:42] april [02:42] ah [02:42] coreymon77: want to toss a vote in? [02:42] i wonder whats gonna be done for I [02:42] DaSkreech: for what [02:42] Should I go KDE4 pure? [02:43] dunno [02:43] havent tried it yet [02:43] coreymon77: Gut feeling :) [02:43] with my desktop box, im waiting till its stable [02:43] Yeah reasonably I should as well [02:44] i sure hope that the release after hardy is gonna be lts, because pretty soon im gonna have to stop upgrading my distro on my desktop box [02:45] but i want to wait for a lts for that [02:46] .....*decides not to comment* [02:46] sooner or later, my computers not gonna be able to handle newer distros [02:46] Hobbsee: what, i was told that hardy is not gonna be a kubuntu lts, isnt that right? [02:48] coreymon77: it is not [02:49] DaSkreech: i know [02:49] which is why im wondering if i should bother will kde4 yet at all on my desktop [02:49] im wondering if it can handle it [02:50] coreymon77: it will after a while [02:50] huh? [02:50] whats that supposed to mean [02:50] isnt the 11th stable release? [02:50] KDE and Macs drop system requirements after the first few iterations [02:51] DaSkreech: my desktop is a dell box [02:51] DaSkreech: from 2002 [02:51] DaSkreech: only my laptop is a mac [02:52] DaSkreech: my mac will be able to handle it easy [02:53] coreymon77: :-) [02:53] its the dell box im not sure about [03:08] you won't see a Kubuntu LTS possibility until 2010 [03:08] who runs LTS anyways? [03:09] that is the question ) [03:09] :) [03:09] Riddell: haven't uploaded ktorrent-kde4.0 just yet [03:09] well, some individual users do... but not major rollouts of Kubuntu.. nothing Canonical can make money from :) [03:09] nixternal: it needs to change [03:09] Riddell: should every app have that magic kludge btw? this is the first I have seen it I think [03:10] bah, I am to drunk tonight to do it possibly :p [03:10] lololol [03:10] to much magic developer juice [03:10] you're two drunk? O.o [03:10] hm... which reminds me :) [03:10] ya, I went with 4 sakes and 4 sapporos [03:10] 8x to many [03:11] man! I wish I knew a place here that sold/served sake [03:11] nixternal: I'll send you the updated ktorrent [03:11] and some aspirin [03:11] oh jeesh, /me closes email [03:11] hehe [03:11] lol [03:11] no aspirin, sake and sapporo leaves you hangover free [03:12] werd [03:13] #join #ronpaul [03:13] * DaSkreech hits nosrednaekim [03:14] OOPS :) [03:14] manchicken is gonna kill me [03:14] * manchicken stabs nosrednaekim [03:14] boooyah [03:14] heh :) [03:14] who is ron paul? they don't talk about him on tv :p [03:15] heh [03:16] nixternal: That's because he's an idiot. [03:16] is clinton whoopin' obama right now? to lazy to crawl to the tv [03:16] The NH primary was completed faster than my gentoo install :( [03:16] hahahhaha, that is from twitter [03:16] good stuff [03:17] haha, yeah... clinton is winning so far as I have heard. [03:17] clinton and mccain win NH...Live Free or Die is their state motto, obviously they all want to die :p [03:18] heh [03:18] my uncle voted Ron Paul.... I guess he is goning to live ;) [03:18] hah, giuliani beat paul...about time...hell manchicken could be paul :p [03:18] s/be/beat [03:18] sorry, don't want to clump you in with him [03:19] nixternal: I hope Fred Thompson is appropriately ashamed for having lost to a white nationalist. He should have worked harder. [03:19] oh lord, i see thompson just below "write-ins" [03:19] haha [03:20] he still thinks the primaries are a citcom [03:20] Nice. [03:20] under Paul you could live free AND die [03:20] nixternal: Where are you looking? [03:20] fox news [03:20] fox news ftw [03:21] ! [03:21] everything else *.liberal is beat up by adaware :p [03:21] That's where I'm watching, but only because they're doing well with their reporting. [03:21] that's a first [03:21] seriously, who would vote for McCain or Huckabee? [03:21] I am voting for mickey mouse [03:22] Well, nobody else is framing in their commercials with the poll results coming in even through the commercials. [03:22] fox news went all espn like they do for auto racing :p [03:22] speaking of auto racing, 1 more month until nascar [03:23] Vorian: NH and iowa respectively apparently.. [03:23] yuriy: they don't count though :) [03:23] ok [03:23] 5 or 6 delegates [03:24] nixternal: wouldn't want to front my Bro 700 dollars :) [03:24] nixternal: I can pay you back by Weekend [03:24] if I had $700 I would cut my wrists and die rich [03:25] http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/pointers.png (intermission) [03:25] nixternal: you really are drunk :-) [03:25] nixternal: not before you transfer that $700 to me right? :) [03:26] nixternal: incoming [03:30] heh Vorian's recent blog post was the complete opposite of mine :) [03:30] * Jucato should learn to write one-liner posts :/ [03:30] :) [03:31] yours was teh bestest tho Jucato :) [03:31] haha [04:04] wow its crazy stormying out [04:04] Here too [04:04] tornado warning [04:04] wait just a tornado watch [04:04] DaSkreech: where are you at? [04:05] 83.6F... :/ [04:05] jjesse_: no where near you [04:05] ah :0 === nivek_ is now known as nivek [04:51] * Hobbsee comes back [04:58] Sounds ominous [04:59] * Hobbsee DOOMs ScottK [04:59] At least I'd get some rest. [04:59] no you wouldn't. [04:59] well, depends where you get doomed too === hunger_t is now known as hunger [10:04] hi there [10:48] morning [10:50] abend [10:51] Riddell: abend? wo bist du denn? [10:52] hmm, you beat me [10:52] Riddell: are you overseas again? [10:54] Riddell: australia? [10:57] not yet [10:57] US next week [10:58] ah, the forbidden land [10:58] yeah, I didn't give back my green immigration slip last time I was there, they may get grumpy and not let me in [11:00] it's the UDSprint, right? Enjoy it (and support Kubuntu as much as possible)! [11:00] it's the KDE release event [11:01] ah [11:01] UDSprint elsewhere? or offline? [11:01] it says January 24th in the schedule, so I assumed [11:02] totally forgotten about the release event :o) anyway, good luck convincing people to try Kubuntu! Those that are not biased, that is :o) [11:08] hardy sprint is in London in Canonical Towers [11:09] ah === \sh_away is now known as \sh === bigon` is now known as bigon === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [12:41] Any idea what might break kwallet in hardy? [12:50] hunger: it works for me [12:51] hunger: well [12:51] Riddell: I found a bugreport for feisty which describes my problem (#86168) [12:51] hunger: .kde/ -> .kde4/ home dir might be it [12:52] Unfortunately removing the kwalletrc which was given as a workaround there does not work for me:-( [12:52] bug 86168 [12:52] Launchpad bug 86168 in kdelibs "kded crashes in KWallet (forgotten KMail password)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86168 [12:52] mhb: I never ran kde4 with my normal user. [12:52] hunger: hmm, yes, I had trouble with KDE4 & kwallet, but no crashing [12:52] this is something different [12:53] Deleting the ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet fixes the issue. But then the passwords are gone just as they are now. [12:54] * hunger grumbles that he can not update the bugreport in LP. [12:54] The password is in kwallet. [12:56] hunger: why can't you update the bug report? [12:56] oh, I see [13:02] Riddell: The sympthoms are similar to those described here: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64671 [13:02] KDE bug 64671 in general "Kded uses 100% of the CPU on first Wallet access" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [13:03] It is supposed to have been a qt bug. [13:22] anyone able to test today's daily CD? it doesn't work for me [14:07] Heya === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [14:40] Riddell: who can I ask for a kubuntu-es ML? === \sh is now known as \sh_away [14:43] jpatrick: canonical admins is my guess [14:44] mhb: yes, but I need someone's email to bug [14:44] :) [14:45] mailman@lists.ubuntu.com maybe? [14:45] well, you should request stuff at rt@admin.canonical.com [14:46] oh [14:46] I don't recommend it as you're gonna wait a long time before someone takes a look at it [14:46] a month at least [14:48] hmm [14:53] hi claydoh [14:54] jussi01: mate, that was jono, the Community manager (or something) like that for Ubuntu [14:55] hi jpatrick [14:55] jpatrick: he should know better... :P [14:55] * claydoh is chatting on a 10 year old laptop from bed [14:56] jussi01: and you too :p [14:56] LOL [14:56] * claydoh had knee surgery yesterday [14:56] * jussi01 goes home... too long at work... [14:56] claydoh: oh... chatting and chatting at the same time... how are you feeling? [14:57] fine actually [14:57] why the surgery? something happened? [14:57] tho this boat anchor thinlpad 770 is rather heavy [14:57] O.o [14:58] kneecap issues, tears and cycts in the cartilage [14:58] nothing major, was only out for about 2 hours total [14:59] ouch :( [14:59] still a surgery :) [14:59] yeah needles an stuff [15:01] but the persistent pain ive had the past few monts/year is already gone :) [15:01] that's good :) [15:01] sKalpel... [15:02] they used a small scope and a small tool, very small cuts, and I have pictures of the inside of my knee lol [15:03] O.o [15:03] gRoss [15:04] Jucato: *G*ross [15:04] :P [15:05] not really [15:05] it's more fun to say gRoss..or gnome-ross [15:27] Riddell: I'm rsyning the daily-live. Is a virtualbox install okay or should it be real hardware? [15:36] allee: anything thanks [15:38] Riddell: vbox: life-sys booted and install copied 50 % data, growing 55% ... [15:43] hmm, should I point jono in #kde-devel to the PPA archive? [15:44] When will the KDE4 packages be available? Friday? [15:44] Artemis_Fowl: when KDE4 is released [15:45] The same day? [15:45] most probably (I guess) [15:45] nice... [16:43] * hunger grumbles about hardy. [16:43] aptitude crashes, kwallet is broken, gcc ICEs a lot, suspend is broken, ... really annoying. [16:47] monotone does not work anymore either:-( [17:02] Riddell: hi [17:11] allee: please report on the iso testing site [17:20] hmm [17:34] Riddell: can you please process bug 181558 [17:34] Launchpad bug 181558 in gutsy-backports "Please backport kdmtheme (1.2.2-0ubuntu1) from Hardy" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181558 === toma is now known as toma_ [17:45] Riddell: sorry was busy. URL? in wiki Testing/ISO seem to be about gutsy [17:46] ah google suggests iso.qa.u.c === jpetso_ is now known as jpetso === \sh_away is now known as \sh === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick === toma_ is now known as toma [18:29] allee: that's the one === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | Next meeting: 12nd January 11:00 | Please test candidate CDs http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [18:47] hi all [18:48] Serega: /topic [18:48] hi ;) [18:48] :) [18:48] nice topic [18:48] as usual [19:26] if dual boot hardy and gutsy is it ok to give hardy my /home too? [19:28] articpenguin3800: can be, but i won't suggest it, as newer versions of apps may upgrade the configfiles. [19:28] ok i will just copy the /home files to the hardy partition then =) [19:29] i would rather recommend having a separate mountpoint for your gutsy-home. [19:29] yep. [19:29] or mount your gutsy-home to /home/username/gutsy - for example. [19:30] or /home/john/hardy === uga|away is now known as uga === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick [19:51] anybody having problems with pidgin on hardy? i get random crashes and it doesn't show in the tray [19:52] i've tried both the hardy repo version (2.2) and a ppa version (2.3.1) [19:53] oops, forgot to mention, this is in KDE 4, doesn't happen in KDE 3 [19:55] Crashes/Freezes/irreconcilable stoppages suck === jpetso is now known as jpetso_away [20:01] Riddell: which needs testing most 32bit or 64bit? [20:04] Riddell: can you kick a build of libkdcraw on hppa ia64 i386 and amd64? IMHO that not likdcraw fault: E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. or E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes [20:05] davmor2: everything! [20:06] davmor2: I did 32 bit desktop [20:06] :D don't know if I got that long ;) [20:06] davmor2: then 64 bit ;) [20:07] I'll start with 64 and move on to 32 bit alt or live as a preference? [20:07] I usually test live first [20:08] np [20:08] since if something is horribly broken you may not have to wipe your hard disk to find out [20:08] I got spare test machines now :) [20:08] ... or whatever untested at: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [20:09] allee: check out http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/subscriptions and see which have davmor2 in :) [20:12] davmor2: looks like you have too much free time ;) [20:12] http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,grossbild-1064101-527737,00.html <-- wie ekelig. [20:12] arghj sorry [20:12] wrong channel ;) [20:13] here i wanted to ask if somebody tried hardy in a vm with vmware software [20:13] because i get a compile error [20:13] and this makes testing hardy more diificult ;) [20:13] and also the question if its known that kde4 is completly broken [20:14] allee: that's not the time killer it's burning the 22 cd images to cd-rw's that's the killer :) [20:15] anybody know of a cd burner that can do it in half the time please god let me know ;) === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [20:39] Riddell: did you see the mail aobut banners on ev-marketing? [20:39] Riddell: I assume that we want a kubuntu banner to be on display somewhere? [20:45] Riddell 64bit live installing seems okay on install will have a look at the live once it's finished :) [20:46] Riddell: spoke to soon :( I still get the message pop up saying a new medium has been detected once the hard-drive has been formatted. [20:47] Jucato: I will miss Basket [20:48] davmor2: in virtual machine? [20:49] kwwii: no, I'm not on ev-marketing, what does it say? [20:49] no real [20:49] Riddell:^^ I only test on real machines :) [20:53] does Hardy still use /etc/default/kdm.d/20_kubuntu_default_settings ? [20:54] Many users have troubles changing there wallpaper/theme since kubuntu use /etc/default/kdm.d [20:54] (see Bug #132723 ) [20:54] Launchpad bug 132723 in kubuntu-default-settings "[gutsy] kdm use the default theme instead of the kubuntu one" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132723 [20:57] our theme rocks [20:57] jpatrick: I agree, but that's not a reason to force people to use it ;) [20:58] smarter: it's our distro [20:58] * jpatrick ducks [20:59] "KDE customization: WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU" ^^' === \sh is now known as \sh_away [21:01] So bug #132723 is not a bug but a feature? :P [21:01] Launchpad bug 132723 in kubuntu-default-settings "[gutsy] kdm use the default theme instead of the kubuntu one" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132723 [21:16] smarter: there's probably a bug there, although I'm not clear what it is [21:17] Riddell: but why do we use /etc/default/kdm.d ? [21:19] smarter: it lets us customise the kdm settings without editing a config file (which causes unnecessary and confusing questions when upgrading) [21:20] it also should allow users to make their own changes, if it doesn't that is indeed a bug [21:21] Riddell: the kcm module to change kdm background still use kdmrc [21:21] so if you change it here, /etc/init.d/kdm does weird things [21:21] and people reported that kdmtheme doesn't work at all [21:21] it should just see that it's changed and not overwrite it [21:22] Riddell: why is there so much stuff in lost and found? [21:22] Riddell: Yes but it test if the theme or the background is changed, and it assume that if you changed the background, you changed the theme [21:22] so if you change the background you get the default ugly kde3 theme [21:23] and it's very confusing for users [21:23] davmor2: xdg menu sillyness, it'll be fixable [21:23] smarter: that'll be a bug then :) [21:24] You forgot the Honest guvnor ;) [21:31] jpatrick: everything ok in #kubuntu-es? [21:31] Riddell: more or less [21:31] Riddell: having my worse day as op [21:33] oh, looks like something's wrong [21:34] err, I'm putting +m for a while :\ [21:35] let things cool down for a while [21:49] Riddell: is Kub using pulse now? if so is there any chance of toning it down a bit by default..... It near blew my bloody ears off ;) [21:50] davmor2: no, it's not [21:50]