FujitsuUbulette: If you can retry that manually, do so. It should work - looks like it just caught the archive at a very bad time.00:10
Ubuletteok, just did00:11
FujitsuI'm sure that's meant to be updated atomically, but perhaps it's not perfectly atomic.00:13
Ubuletteseems to work now00:14
FujitsuI just got an email about another failed build. Looks like Release.gpg was mismatched.00:21
jameshFujitsu: well, POSIX doesn't really offer a way to do atomic updates of multiple files ...00:21
jameshso I guess there is always going to be a short period of time when the file and its checksum don't match00:21
Fujitsujamesh: Well, yes, but it's rather unlikely that something would try to grab things in that tiny slice of time. I guess it's likely to happen eventually with a lot of builds happening, though.00:22
jameshFujitsu: it is also possible that rsync doesn't update the files in the optimum order, which would increase the window00:23
Fujitsujamesh: Is ftpmaster.internal not drescher? Some bugs seem to indicate that the dists/ update must be as atomic as possible, to stop builds failing like this, so I assumed it was using drescher directly.00:25
FujitsuIn which case there shouldn't really be an rsync involved...00:25
jameshFujitsu: I don't know enough about the exact setup (I am not cprov :)00:25
jameshI do know that the archive generation does an rsync as the last step00:26
cprovFujitsu: it was transient, we are facing problems publishing the archive. It will be fixed in a bit00:27
Fujitsucprov: Ah, thanks. Will you retry any CHROOTWAITed builds after it's fixed?00:28
cprovFujitsu: possibly, talk to infinity about the details00:28
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ubotuNew bug: #181401 in launchpad-bazaar "should be able to push to lp:project or lp:project/series to make a new branch" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18140102:40
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* Fujitsu surprisedly watches lamont float on the LP lake.08:45
sorenFujitsu: ?08:57
Fujitsusoren: Well, he now carries the great LP duck emblem.08:59
kikoFujitsu, he manages some big engines that live under the surface09:00
FujitsuI realise.09:01
mptGoooooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!10:01
FujitsuEvening mpt.10:04
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FujitsuMorning cprov. Good to see the arch-indep binaries back :)10:47
cprovFujitsu: good morning. Are they all back ?10:47
Fujitsucprov: Those that I have checked are, so I presume so.10:49
cprovFujitsu: good, -1 problem10:50
Fujitsucprov: Yep. Generally a good idea to have fewer problems.10:51
cprovFujitsu: well, they keep my job, not entirely bad <wink>10:53
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bigjoolscprov in creating bugs to keep his job shocker!11:14
* Fujitsu blames bigjools for it all instead.11:17
bigjoolsI'll take 50% of the flak :)11:17
cprovbigjools: "creating" ?  as if we don't have enough atm ? 360 ongoing tasks, assuming *we* can do 30 per milestone/month, that's one year of work11:17
cprovbigjools: and yes, 30 bugs/milestone is me being very optimistic :)11:18
bigjoolscprov: you know how we love doing all this soyuz work, it keeps us feeling alive!11:18
cprovand for a long time ...11:18
bigjoolscprov: only 30?  I thought you liked nearer 40 ;)11:19
tiagosabHi! Is it the right place to ask about ppa?11:24
Fujitsutiagosab: It is.11:25
tiagosabI've built packages for gutsy, and I am trying now to build them to hardy; what am I supposed to upload? source-only without orig?11:26
FujitsuThat's right.11:26
FujitsuYou'll need to upload with a different version, of course.11:26
tiagosabI can't have the same version in gutsy and in hardy?11:27
FujitsuYou can't. The packages share the same directory.11:27
FujitsuConvention is to append ~gutsy1 to the Gutsy version, ~feisty1 to the Feisty one, etc.11:27
tiagosabOk, but one will supersede the other, no?11:28
FujitsuNot if one is in Hardy, and the other in Gutsy.11:28
Fujitsubigjools: That reminds me, your answer about that in the PPA FAQ draft is wrong.11:28
bigjoolsFujitsu: which question?11:29
Fujitsubigjools: `I get an error about versions'11:29
* bigjools looks11:29
FujitsuThe second last answer is also misleading, and is likely to lead to people manually hacking .changes files, which is probably a bad idea.11:30
tiagosabThanks, Fujitsu. I'll do it like that. And this faq is public? I just searched for 'launchpad ppa faq' and saw no results...11:31
bigjoolsthe FAQ is NOT public yet11:31
* Fujitsu notes it is looking good, and when done will be most useful, and hopefully answer some of the more common questions here.11:33
bigjoolsFujitsu: can you suggest a change to the text that you think would be more helpful?  Drop me an email if you like.11:34
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Fujitsubigjools: s/same name/same name and Ubuntu release/11:38
bigjoolsFujitsu: good point11:38
FujitsuFor the second last question, one should specify the distribution in the distribution field of debian/changelog, not manually fix the .changes.11:39
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bigjoolsFujitsu: right, thanks.  Do you know a URL I can point at about the Debian package versioning rules?11:40
Fujitsubigjools: Sure, I'll find the relevant policy page.11:41
bigjoolsFujitsu: thanks a bunch11:41
tiagosabbigjools: I don't remember where are the rules, but you can point to dpkg --compare-versions11:45
Fujitsuhttp://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version is the bit of policy, but there must be a more readable one somewhere.11:45
bigjoolsFujitsu: thanks, that's a good start for now11:47
bigjoolstiagosab: thanks also, that's useful to put in11:47
bigjoolsok that's updated now11:51
bigjoolswe'll try and fill in the blanks this week and publish it properly11:51
Fujitsubigjools: --compare-versions, not --compare-version, but otherwise that answer looks good.11:54
bigjoolscrap, thanks11:55
Fujitsu`Distribution' isn't a field in debian/changelog, so normally lowercase body text is probably appropriate. Otherwise that looks good too.11:55
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lamontFujitsu: if there was a way for me to turn off the duck from time to time, I would run around with no duck.12:23
Fujitsulamont: Heh, yes, I recall you stating some time ago you didn't want one.12:26
lamontFujitsu: the primary issue being that launchpad politely never tells you when you're being god.12:27
FujitsuAh, yes.12:27
FujitsuI suppose the multiple hats feature would fix that.12:27
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mptwhoa, nostalgia12:50
Fujitsumpt: That's *old*.12:50
FujitsuGood old blue interface :'(12:51
mptI take issue with the first word in that sentence12:52
FujitsuHow different is the new-new design going to be?12:54
mptYou'll see. :-)12:55
FujitsuAllllso... Why inline navigation? Won't that make it even less inefficient to search for and click on the links?12:57
mptIt should reduce the searching time to less than a second12:58
FujitsuEr, s/inefficient/efficient/, sorry.12:58
FujitsuAll the links are in one easily-scannable column now!12:59
* mpt rolls eyes12:59
FujitsuHow is padding them with text going to make it better?12:59
Fujitsu(It was originally `yet more inefficient', then I realised what I was doing was wrong, but apparently didn't end up fixing it all)12:59
mptFujitsu, it's not "padding them with text". In many cases, it's putting them in the appropriate place relative to text that's already in the page.13:32
mptLike normal Web applications do.13:33
seb128is there a product specific to launchpad issues on edge?13:40
seb128the new entry to edit a watch number is not nice, having only the number was much better13:41
ubotuNew bug: #181500 in launchpad "email message ids from launchpad should contain one @ only" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18150013:55
jrydbergany LP admins around?14:14
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ubotuNew bug: #181537 in malone "summary line should have preference over subject when reporting anew bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18153716:35
ubotuNew bug: #181539 in launchpad "404 page should know whether we can fix the referring page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18153916:40
jelhi guys.  How long should I expect a .pot review to take?18:06
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mptjel, you could ask at http://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta18:31
jelmpt: OK, thanks :)18:31
welterdeis any vcs-import-admin here?18:31
bdmurrayBjornT_: ping18:34
luisbga bzr push to launchpad got cut midway because I lost the internet connection, now I'm trying to push again and it tells me it can't create because it already exists18:47
luisbghow do I fix this?18:48
luisbgbzr: ERROR: Can't rename ... already exists18:48
BjornT_bdmurray: pong18:53
bdmurrayBjornT_: bug 157803 is marked for expiration and I'm not certain it should be as it is assigned to me18:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 157803 in linux-source-2.6.22 "i cant burn a dvd in gutsy" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157803 - Assigned to Brian Murray (brian-murray)18:54
bdmurrayI'm happy to report a bug I just wanted to make sure I understand the conditions correctly18:56
BjornT_bdmurray: yes, please report a bug about it. that bug shouldn't be marked for expiration.18:58
bdmurrayBjornT_: okay, will do - thanks for looking at it18:59
ubotuNew bug: #181579 in malone "Branches on bug page should include branchable URL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18157919:01
ubotuNew bug: #181583 in malone "bug report incorrectly marked for expiry" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18158319:11
thumperwelterde: what's up?19:40
welterdethumper: could you have a look at the cvs-import of i2p, please? :)19:41
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liwI reported #160996 and it got a response the same day, but I never got that, so it took me months to reply; my e-mail client makes an automatic archive copy of every incoming e-mail, and there's nothing in the archive about this... it's been two months, and e-mail gets lost all the time, but I thought I'd mention it in case someone wants to grep log files if they still exist20:41
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Kmosbug 16099621:03
ubotuLaunchpad bug 160996 in evince "evince has trouble handling filename with escaped shell characters" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160996 - Assigned to Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs)21:03
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ubotuNew bug: #181620 in launchpad "content type of atom feeds in incorrect" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18162022:26
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ubotuNew bug: #181633 in launchpad "supermirror-pull.py should include date in log output" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18163323:11

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