| Fujitsu | Ubulette: If you can retry that manually, do so. It should work - looks like it just caught the archive at a very bad time. | 00:10 |
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| Ubulette | ok, just did | 00:11 |
| Fujitsu | I'm sure that's meant to be updated atomically, but perhaps it's not perfectly atomic. | 00:13 |
| Ubulette | seems to work now | 00:14 |
| Fujitsu | Good. | 00:16 |
| Fujitsu | Hmmm.. | 00:20 |
| Fujitsu | I just got an email about another failed build. Looks like Release.gpg was mismatched. | 00:21 |
| jamesh | Fujitsu: well, POSIX doesn't really offer a way to do atomic updates of multiple files ... | 00:21 |
| jamesh | so I guess there is always going to be a short period of time when the file and its checksum don't match | 00:21 |
| Fujitsu | jamesh: Well, yes, but it's rather unlikely that something would try to grab things in that tiny slice of time. I guess it's likely to happen eventually with a lot of builds happening, though. | 00:22 |
| jamesh | Fujitsu: it is also possible that rsync doesn't update the files in the optimum order, which would increase the window | 00:23 |
| Fujitsu | jamesh: Is ftpmaster.internal not drescher? Some bugs seem to indicate that the dists/ update must be as atomic as possible, to stop builds failing like this, so I assumed it was using drescher directly. | 00:25 |
| Fujitsu | In which case there shouldn't really be an rsync involved... | 00:25 |
| jamesh | Fujitsu: I don't know enough about the exact setup (I am not cprov :) | 00:25 |
| Fujitsu | Heh. | 00:26 |
| jamesh | I do know that the archive generation does an rsync as the last step | 00:26 |
| cprov | Fujitsu: it was transient, we are facing problems publishing the archive. It will be fixed in a bit | 00:27 |
| Fujitsu | cprov: Ah, thanks. Will you retry any CHROOTWAITed builds after it's fixed? | 00:28 |
| cprov | Fujitsu: possibly, talk to infinity about the details | 00:28 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #181401 in launchpad-bazaar "should be able to push to lp:project or lp:project/series to make a new branch" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181401 | 02:40 |
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| * Fujitsu surprisedly watches lamont float on the LP lake. | 08:45 | |
| carlos | morning | 08:56 |
| soren | Fujitsu: ? | 08:57 |
| Fujitsu | soren: Well, he now carries the great LP duck emblem. | 08:59 |
| kiko | Fujitsu, he manages some big engines that live under the surface | 09:00 |
| Fujitsu | I realise. | 09:01 |
| mpt | Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! | 10:01 |
| Fujitsu | Evening mpt. | 10:04 |
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| Fujitsu | Morning cprov. Good to see the arch-indep binaries back :) | 10:47 |
| cprov | Fujitsu: good morning. Are they all back ? | 10:47 |
| Fujitsu | cprov: Those that I have checked are, so I presume so. | 10:49 |
| cprov | Fujitsu: good, -1 problem | 10:50 |
| Fujitsu | cprov: Yep. Generally a good idea to have fewer problems. | 10:51 |
| cprov | Fujitsu: well, they keep my job, not entirely bad <wink> | 10:53 |
| Fujitsu | Heh. | 10:54 |
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| bigjools | cprov in creating bugs to keep his job shocker! | 11:14 |
| * Fujitsu blames bigjools for it all instead. | 11:17 | |
| bigjools | I'll take 50% of the flak :) | 11:17 |
| cprov | bigjools: "creating" ? as if we don't have enough atm ? 360 ongoing tasks, assuming *we* can do 30 per milestone/month, that's one year of work | 11:17 |
| cprov | bigjools: and yes, 30 bugs/milestone is me being very optimistic :) | 11:18 |
| bigjools | cprov: you know how we love doing all this soyuz work, it keeps us feeling alive! | 11:18 |
| cprov | and for a long time ... | 11:18 |
| bigjools | cprov: only 30? I thought you liked nearer 40 ;) | 11:19 |
| tiagosab | Hi! Is it the right place to ask about ppa? | 11:24 |
| Fujitsu | tiagosab: It is. | 11:25 |
| tiagosab | I've built packages for gutsy, and I am trying now to build them to hardy; what am I supposed to upload? source-only without orig? | 11:26 |
| Fujitsu | That's right. | 11:26 |
| Fujitsu | You'll need to upload with a different version, of course. | 11:26 |
| tiagosab | I can't have the same version in gutsy and in hardy? | 11:27 |
| Fujitsu | You can't. The packages share the same directory. | 11:27 |
| Fujitsu | Convention is to append ~gutsy1 to the Gutsy version, ~feisty1 to the Feisty one, etc. | 11:27 |
| tiagosab | Ok, but one will supersede the other, no? | 11:28 |
| Fujitsu | Not if one is in Hardy, and the other in Gutsy. | 11:28 |
| Fujitsu | bigjools: That reminds me, your answer about that in the PPA FAQ draft is wrong. | 11:28 |
| bigjools | Fujitsu: which question? | 11:29 |
| Fujitsu | bigjools: `I get an error about versions' | 11:29 |
| * bigjools looks | 11:29 | |
| Fujitsu | The second last answer is also misleading, and is likely to lead to people manually hacking .changes files, which is probably a bad idea. | 11:30 |
| tiagosab | Thanks, Fujitsu. I'll do it like that. And this faq is public? I just searched for 'launchpad ppa faq' and saw no results... | 11:31 |
| bigjools | the FAQ is NOT public yet | 11:31 |
| * Fujitsu notes it is looking good, and when done will be most useful, and hopefully answer some of the more common questions here. | 11:33 | |
| bigjools | Fujitsu: can you suggest a change to the text that you think would be more helpful? Drop me an email if you like. | 11:34 |
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| Fujitsu | bigjools: s/same name/same name and Ubuntu release/ | 11:38 |
| Fujitsu | Perhaps. | 11:38 |
| bigjools | Fujitsu: good point | 11:38 |
| Fujitsu | For the second last question, one should specify the distribution in the distribution field of debian/changelog, not manually fix the .changes. | 11:39 |
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| bigjools | Fujitsu: right, thanks. Do you know a URL I can point at about the Debian package versioning rules? | 11:40 |
| Fujitsu | bigjools: Sure, I'll find the relevant policy page. | 11:41 |
| bigjools | Fujitsu: thanks a bunch | 11:41 |
| tiagosab | bigjools: I don't remember where are the rules, but you can point to dpkg --compare-versions | 11:45 |
| Fujitsu | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version is the bit of policy, but there must be a more readable one somewhere. | 11:45 |
| bigjools | Fujitsu: thanks, that's a good start for now | 11:47 |
| bigjools | tiagosab: thanks also, that's useful to put in | 11:47 |
| bigjools | ok that's updated now | 11:51 |
| bigjools | we'll try and fill in the blanks this week and publish it properly | 11:51 |
| Fujitsu | bigjools: --compare-versions, not --compare-version, but otherwise that answer looks good. | 11:54 |
| bigjools | crap, thanks | 11:55 |
| Fujitsu | `Distribution' isn't a field in debian/changelog, so normally lowercase body text is probably appropriate. Otherwise that looks good too. | 11:55 |
| Fujitsu | s/normally/normal/ | 11:55 |
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| lamont | Fujitsu: if there was a way for me to turn off the duck from time to time, I would run around with no duck. | 12:23 |
| Fujitsu | lamont: Heh, yes, I recall you stating some time ago you didn't want one. | 12:26 |
| lamont | Fujitsu: the primary issue being that launchpad politely never tells you when you're being god. | 12:27 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, yes. | 12:27 |
| Fujitsu | I suppose the multiple hats feature would fix that. | 12:27 |
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| mpt | whoa, nostalgia | 12:50 |
| mpt | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/1520880/2006-01-23-151558_985x604_scrot.png | 12:50 |
| Fujitsu | mpt: That's *old*. | 12:50 |
| Fujitsu | Good old blue interface :'( | 12:51 |
| mpt | I take issue with the first word in that sentence | 12:52 |
| Fujitsu | Heh. | 12:53 |
| Fujitsu | How different is the new-new design going to be? | 12:54 |
| mpt | You'll see. :-) | 12:55 |
| Fujitsu | Allllso... Why inline navigation? Won't that make it even less inefficient to search for and click on the links? | 12:57 |
| mpt | Precisely! | 12:58 |
| mpt | It should reduce the searching time to less than a second | 12:58 |
| Fujitsu | Er, s/inefficient/efficient/, sorry. | 12:58 |
| Fujitsu | All the links are in one easily-scannable column now! | 12:59 |
| * mpt rolls eyes | 12:59 | |
| Fujitsu | How is padding them with text going to make it better? | 12:59 |
| Fujitsu | (It was originally `yet more inefficient', then I realised what I was doing was wrong, but apparently didn't end up fixing it all) | 12:59 |
| mpt | Fujitsu, it's not "padding them with text". In many cases, it's putting them in the appropriate place relative to text that's already in the page. | 13:32 |
| mpt | Like normal Web applications do. | 13:33 |
| seb128 | hey | 13:40 |
| seb128 | is there a product specific to launchpad issues on edge? | 13:40 |
| seb128 | the new entry to edit a watch number is not nice, having only the number was much better | 13:41 |
| ubotu | New bug: #181500 in launchpad "email message ids from launchpad should contain one @ only" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181500 | 13:55 |
| jrydberg | any LP admins around? | 14:14 |
| jrydberg | nm. | 14:15 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #181537 in malone "summary line should have preference over subject when reporting anew bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181537 | 16:35 |
| ubotu | New bug: #181539 in launchpad "404 page should know whether we can fix the referring page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181539 | 16:40 |
| jel | hi guys. How long should I expect a .pot review to take? | 18:06 |
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| jel | anyone? | 18:29 |
| mpt | jel, you could ask at http://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta | 18:31 |
| jel | mpt: OK, thanks :) | 18:31 |
| welterde | is any vcs-import-admin here? | 18:31 |
| bdmurray | BjornT_: ping | 18:34 |
| luisbg | a bzr push to launchpad got cut midway because I lost the internet connection, now I'm trying to push again and it tells me it can't create because it already exists | 18:47 |
| luisbg | how do I fix this? | 18:48 |
| luisbg | bzr: ERROR: Can't rename ... already exists | 18:48 |
| BjornT_ | bdmurray: pong | 18:53 |
| bdmurray | BjornT_: bug 157803 is marked for expiration and I'm not certain it should be as it is assigned to me | 18:53 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 157803 in linux-source-2.6.22 "i cant burn a dvd in gutsy" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157803 - Assigned to Brian Murray (brian-murray) | 18:54 |
| bdmurray | I'm happy to report a bug I just wanted to make sure I understand the conditions correctly | 18:56 |
| BjornT_ | bdmurray: yes, please report a bug about it. that bug shouldn't be marked for expiration. | 18:58 |
| bdmurray | BjornT_: okay, will do - thanks for looking at it | 18:59 |
| ubotu | New bug: #181579 in malone "Branches on bug page should include branchable URL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181579 | 19:01 |
| ubotu | New bug: #181583 in malone "bug report incorrectly marked for expiry" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181583 | 19:11 |
| thumper | morning | 19:40 |
| thumper | welterde: what's up? | 19:40 |
| welterde | thumper: could you have a look at the cvs-import of i2p, please? :) | 19:41 |
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| liw | I reported #160996 and it got a response the same day, but I never got that, so it took me months to reply; my e-mail client makes an automatic archive copy of every incoming e-mail, and there's nothing in the archive about this... it's been two months, and e-mail gets lost all the time, but I thought I'd mention it in case someone wants to grep log files if they still exist | 20:41 |
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| Kmos | bug 160996 | 21:03 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 160996 in evince "evince has trouble handling filename with escaped shell characters" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160996 - Assigned to Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) | 21:03 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #181620 in launchpad "content type of atom feeds in incorrect" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181620 | 22:26 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #181633 in launchpad "supermirror-pull.py should include date in log output" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181633 | 23:11 |
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