[00:10] Ubulette: If you can retry that manually, do so. It should work - looks like it just caught the archive at a very bad time. [00:11] ok, just did [00:13] I'm sure that's meant to be updated atomically, but perhaps it's not perfectly atomic. [00:14] seems to work now [00:16] Good. [00:20] Hmmm.. [00:21] I just got an email about another failed build. Looks like Release.gpg was mismatched. [00:21] Fujitsu: well, POSIX doesn't really offer a way to do atomic updates of multiple files ... [00:21] so I guess there is always going to be a short period of time when the file and its checksum don't match [00:22] jamesh: Well, yes, but it's rather unlikely that something would try to grab things in that tiny slice of time. I guess it's likely to happen eventually with a lot of builds happening, though. [00:23] Fujitsu: it is also possible that rsync doesn't update the files in the optimum order, which would increase the window [00:25] jamesh: Is ftpmaster.internal not drescher? Some bugs seem to indicate that the dists/ update must be as atomic as possible, to stop builds failing like this, so I assumed it was using drescher directly. [00:25] In which case there shouldn't really be an rsync involved... [00:25] Fujitsu: I don't know enough about the exact setup (I am not cprov :) [00:26] Heh. [00:26] I do know that the archive generation does an rsync as the last step [00:27] Fujitsu: it was transient, we are facing problems publishing the archive. It will be fixed in a bit [00:28] cprov: Ah, thanks. Will you retry any CHROOTWAITed builds after it's fixed? [00:28] Fujitsu: possibly, talk to infinity about the details === gryc_ is now known as gryc === cprov is now known as cprov-ZzZ === bigon is now known as bigon` [02:40] New bug: #181401 in launchpad-bazaar "should be able to push to lp:project or lp:project/series to make a new branch" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181401 === fabbione is now known as thegodfather === kiko__ is now known as kiko [08:45] * Fujitsu surprisedly watches lamont float on the LP lake. [08:56] morning [08:57] Fujitsu: ? [08:59] soren: Well, he now carries the great LP duck emblem. [09:00] Fujitsu, he manages some big engines that live under the surface [09:01] I realise. [10:01] Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! [10:04] Evening mpt. === cprov-ZzZ is now known as cprov [10:47] Morning cprov. Good to see the arch-indep binaries back :) [10:47] Fujitsu: good morning. Are they all back ? [10:49] cprov: Those that I have checked are, so I presume so. [10:50] Fujitsu: good, -1 problem [10:51] cprov: Yep. Generally a good idea to have fewer problems. [10:53] Fujitsu: well, they keep my job, not entirely bad [10:54] Heh. === \sh_away is now known as \sh [11:14] cprov in creating bugs to keep his job shocker! [11:17] * Fujitsu blames bigjools for it all instead. [11:17] I'll take 50% of the flak :) [11:17] bigjools: "creating" ? as if we don't have enough atm ? 360 ongoing tasks, assuming *we* can do 30 per milestone/month, that's one year of work [11:18] bigjools: and yes, 30 bugs/milestone is me being very optimistic :) [11:18] cprov: you know how we love doing all this soyuz work, it keeps us feeling alive! [11:18] and for a long time ... [11:19] cprov: only 30? I thought you liked nearer 40 ;) [11:24] Hi! Is it the right place to ask about ppa? [11:25] tiagosab: It is. [11:26] I've built packages for gutsy, and I am trying now to build them to hardy; what am I supposed to upload? source-only without orig? [11:26] That's right. [11:26] You'll need to upload with a different version, of course. [11:27] I can't have the same version in gutsy and in hardy? [11:27] You can't. The packages share the same directory. [11:27] Convention is to append ~gutsy1 to the Gutsy version, ~feisty1 to the Feisty one, etc. [11:28] Ok, but one will supersede the other, no? [11:28] Not if one is in Hardy, and the other in Gutsy. [11:28] bigjools: That reminds me, your answer about that in the PPA FAQ draft is wrong. [11:29] Fujitsu: which question? [11:29] bigjools: `I get an error about versions' [11:29] * bigjools looks [11:30] The second last answer is also misleading, and is likely to lead to people manually hacking .changes files, which is probably a bad idea. [11:31] Thanks, Fujitsu. I'll do it like that. And this faq is public? I just searched for 'launchpad ppa faq' and saw no results... [11:31] the FAQ is NOT public yet [11:33] * Fujitsu notes it is looking good, and when done will be most useful, and hopefully answer some of the more common questions here. [11:34] Fujitsu: can you suggest a change to the text that you think would be more helpful? Drop me an email if you like. === bigon` is now known as bigon [11:38] bigjools: s/same name/same name and Ubuntu release/ [11:38] Perhaps. [11:38] Fujitsu: good point [11:39] For the second last question, one should specify the distribution in the distribution field of debian/changelog, not manually fix the .changes. === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch [11:40] Fujitsu: right, thanks. Do you know a URL I can point at about the Debian package versioning rules? [11:41] bigjools: Sure, I'll find the relevant policy page. [11:41] Fujitsu: thanks a bunch [11:45] bigjools: I don't remember where are the rules, but you can point to dpkg --compare-versions [11:45] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version is the bit of policy, but there must be a more readable one somewhere. [11:47] Fujitsu: thanks, that's a good start for now [11:47] tiagosab: thanks also, that's useful to put in [11:51] ok that's updated now [11:51] we'll try and fill in the blanks this week and publish it properly [11:54] bigjools: --compare-versions, not --compare-version, but otherwise that answer looks good. [11:55] crap, thanks [11:55] `Distribution' isn't a field in debian/changelog, so normally lowercase body text is probably appropriate. Otherwise that looks good too. [11:55] s/normally/normal/ === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [12:23] Fujitsu: if there was a way for me to turn off the duck from time to time, I would run around with no duck. [12:26] lamont: Heh, yes, I recall you stating some time ago you didn't want one. [12:27] Fujitsu: the primary issue being that launchpad politely never tells you when you're being god. [12:27] Ah, yes. [12:27] I suppose the multiple hats feature would fix that. === mrevell-lunch is now known as mrevell [12:50] whoa, nostalgia [12:50] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/1520880/2006-01-23-151558_985x604_scrot.png [12:50] mpt: That's *old*. [12:51] Good old blue interface :'( [12:52] I take issue with the first word in that sentence [12:53] Heh. [12:54] How different is the new-new design going to be? [12:55] You'll see. :-) [12:57] Allllso... Why inline navigation? Won't that make it even less inefficient to search for and click on the links? [12:58] Precisely! [12:58] It should reduce the searching time to less than a second [12:58] Er, s/inefficient/efficient/, sorry. [12:59] All the links are in one easily-scannable column now! [12:59] * mpt rolls eyes [12:59] How is padding them with text going to make it better? [12:59] (It was originally `yet more inefficient', then I realised what I was doing was wrong, but apparently didn't end up fixing it all) [13:32] Fujitsu, it's not "padding them with text". In many cases, it's putting them in the appropriate place relative to text that's already in the page. [13:33] Like normal Web applications do. [13:40] hey [13:40] is there a product specific to launchpad issues on edge? [13:41] the new entry to edit a watch number is not nice, having only the number was much better [13:55] New bug: #181500 in launchpad "email message ids from launchpad should contain one @ only" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181500 [14:14] any LP admins around? [14:15] nm. === \sh is now known as \sh_away === profanephobia is now known as flukierdonut === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch === flukierdonut is now known as profanephobia === allenap_ is now known as allenap === matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara [16:35] New bug: #181537 in malone "summary line should have preference over subject when reporting a new bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181537 [16:40] New bug: #181539 in launchpad "404 page should know whether we can fix the referring page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181539 [18:06] hi guys. How long should I expect a .pot review to take? === \sh_away is now known as \sh === leonel_ is now known as leonel [18:29] anyone? [18:31] jel, you could ask at http://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta [18:31] mpt: OK, thanks :) [18:31] is any vcs-import-admin here? [18:34] BjornT_: ping [18:47] a bzr push to launchpad got cut midway because I lost the internet connection, now I'm trying to push again and it tells me it can't create because it already exists [18:48] how do I fix this? [18:48] bzr: ERROR: Can't rename ... already exists [18:53] bdmurray: pong [18:53] BjornT_: bug 157803 is marked for expiration and I'm not certain it should be as it is assigned to me [18:54] Launchpad bug 157803 in linux-source-2.6.22 "i cant burn a dvd in gutsy" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157803 - Assigned to Brian Murray (brian-murray) [18:56] I'm happy to report a bug I just wanted to make sure I understand the conditions correctly [18:58] bdmurray: yes, please report a bug about it. that bug shouldn't be marked for expiration. [18:59] BjornT_: okay, will do - thanks for looking at it [19:01] New bug: #181579 in malone "Branches on bug page should include branchable URL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181579 [19:11] New bug: #181583 in malone "bug report incorrectly marked for expiry" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181583 [19:40] morning [19:40] welterde: what's up? [19:41] thumper: could you have a look at the cvs-import of i2p, please? :) === Kmos_ is now known as Kmos === niemeyer_ is now known as niemeyer === Peng_ is now known as Peng === flukierdonut is now known as profanephobia [20:41] I reported #160996 and it got a response the same day, but I never got that, so it took me months to reply; my e-mail client makes an automatic archive copy of every incoming e-mail, and there's nothing in the archive about this... it's been two months, and e-mail gets lost all the time, but I thought I'd mention it in case someone wants to grep log files if they still exist === \sh is now known as \sh_away [21:03] bug 160996 [21:03] Launchpad bug 160996 in evince "evince has trouble handling filename with escaped shell characters" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160996 - Assigned to Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) === cprov is now known as cprov-out [22:26] New bug: #181620 in launchpad "content type of atom feeds in incorrect" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181620 === bigon is now known as bigon` === bigon` is now known as bigon [23:11] New bug: #181633 in launchpad "supermirror-pull.py should include date in log output" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181633