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| === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 09 Jan 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 10 Jan 14:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development | 10 Jan 16:00 UTC: Community Council | 16 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 14:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development | ||
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| RichEd | hi ... who is here for the edubuntu meeting ? | 12:00 |
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| juliux | happy new year RichEd | 12:02 |
| * ogra waves | 12:03 | |
| RichEd | and the same to you juliux :) | 12:03 |
| RichEd | so it looks like just us 3 then ... we'll do a short & sweet reporback then | 12:04 |
| RichEd | ogra: technical ? | 12:04 |
| ogra | well, te main issue was to move LTSP to the ubuntu alternate CD | 12:04 |
| ogra | which happened yesterday (after some preparation) | 12:05 |
| ogra | using ltsp-client-builder/run=true as a bootoption should currently (aplha3) build a ltsp server from CD | 12:05 |
| ogra | (untested yet, my iso rsync is at 97%) | 12:05 |
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| ogra | beyond that i'm working hard on the classmate autobuilder setup atm ... | 12:06 |
| ogra | not much other edubuntu specific stuff atm | 12:06 |
| ogra | with alpha4 we should be able tp drop the edubuntu-server CD | 12:06 |
| ogra | *to | 12:07 |
| ogra | ah, my rsync is done .... | 12:07 |
| * ogra starts a virtualbox install aside ... | 12:07 | |
| ogra | well, that it about tech for me ... | 12:08 |
| ogra | laserjock managed to get the menu stuff working he said | 12:08 |
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| ogra | (we didnt have any further discussion about that yet) | 12:09 |
| * RichEd collects his tea ... back in 30 secs | 12:09 | |
| RichEd | back | 12:11 |
| RichEd | ogra ... is that all from you ? | 12:11 |
| ogra | yup | 12:11 |
| ogra | at least i dont remember anything atm | 12:11 |
| RichEd | okay ... not much from my side either ... just got back to my desk from leave yesterday | 12:12 |
| RichEd | catching up on email backlog atm | 12:12 |
| ogra | i had 3000 waiting for me ... | 12:12 |
| ogra | not bad for nearly two weeks not touching the PC | 12:12 |
| ogra | (i had worse times already :) ) | 12:13 |
| RichEd | doing some work on the educonlinux project ... the EU education collaboration that is driving the edubuntu content server | 12:13 |
| RichEd | not to much to show at the moment, but I'll share the project web site when the content partner has populated it | 12:13 |
| RichEd | --- | 12:13 |
| RichEd | looks like a slow start to the year for community matters ... | 12:13 |
| RichEd | i'll send a meeting reminder and agenda to the mail lists, to see if we can get more people next week | 12:14 |
| ogra | one thing to piont out for ltsp intrested people that might listen is that ltsp switched to use the -generic kernel flavour instead of -386 | 12:14 |
| RichEd | anyone else (juliux) have any news / issues / ideas or suggestions ? | 12:15 |
| ogra | (it prove to work on all test clients i have here and the switch saves 20M on the CD) | 12:15 |
| juliux | RichEd, what about and edubuntu flyer for 2008 ? | 12:15 |
| juliux | or ubuntu-education fyler | 12:15 |
| RichEd | juliux: indeed :) that's under way already | 12:15 |
| juliux | RichEd, can you send me the english one? i will create a german version | 12:16 |
| RichEd | I have been tasked with preparing promo material for various target audiences | 12:16 |
| RichEd | * high level decision makers (like edu departments and governments) | 12:16 |
| RichEd | * OEM (original equipment manufacturers) we are encouraging to bundle *buntu | 12:17 |
| RichEd | * school administrators | 12:17 |
| RichEd | * teachers | 12:17 |
| RichEd | I will prepare basic text and images ... | 12:17 |
| RichEd | Then the marketing department will tailor this into: | 12:18 |
| juliux | i have still a very old version;) | 12:18 |
| RichEd | * an education solution area on the ubuntu.com web site | 12:18 |
| RichEd | * simple electronic flyers | 12:18 |
| RichEd | * A4 formatted PDFs for central print (canonical) and local print (for loco's and expos etc) | 12:19 |
| RichEd | The deadline is the end of january, so juliux, remind me again to send you copies | 12:19 |
| juliux | RichEd, thxs | 12:19 |
| RichEd | Here is an interesting article: | 12:19 |
| RichEd | Open Source Survey Suggests 2008 Will Be A Tipping Point | 12:19 |
| RichEd | http://www.crn.com/it-channel/205600013 | 12:19 |
| RichEd | f.y.i. a tipping point is when something reaches critical mass ... and goes exponential / mainstream | 12:20 |
| RichEd | --- | 12:20 |
| RichEd | That's about all from me | 12:20 |
| * RichEd opens the conversation to the floor ... anyone else ? | 12:21 | |
| juliux | i wish i had more time... | 12:21 |
| RichEd | (note that schools in the Southern Hemisphere are still on vacation ... so many people are away from their computers) | 12:21 |
| RichEd | ogra ? anything else for now ? | 12:22 |
| RichEd | if not we can wrap for today then. | 12:22 |
| ogra | right | 12:22 |
| ogra | nothings else | 12:22 |
| RichEd | going Once | 12:23 |
| RichEd | going Twice | 12:23 |
| * RichEd looks around .... | 12:23 | |
| RichEd | and done for today ... please make sure you remind people about the meeting for next week | 12:23 |
| RichEd | Late one | 12:23 |
| * RichEd thanks ogra and juliux | 12:24 | |
| ogra | thanks | 12:24 |
| highvoltage | eek | 13:10 |
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| nixternal | @schedule | 17:39 |
| ubotu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 09 Jan 20:00: Edubuntu meeting | 10 Jan 14:00: Desktop Team Development | 10 Jan 16:00: Community Council | 16 Jan 12:00: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 12:00: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 14:00: Desktop Team Development | 17:39 |
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| heno | hello everyone | 18:57 |
| pedro_ | hello heno! | 18:58 |
| heno | bdmurray, ogasawara, liw, stgraber - ping | 18:58 |
| heno | hey pedro_ | 18:59 |
| ogasawara | heno: hi:) | 18:59 |
| bdmurray | heno: here I am | 18:59 |
| heno | ogasawara: hey how is bug day going? | 19:00 |
| ogasawara | heno: good, we were just over chatting in ubuntu-bugs | 19:00 |
| heno | the page looks good | 19:00 |
| heno | yep, I'll try not to keep you long | 19:00 |
| heno | #startmeeting | 19:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 19:00. The chair is heno. | 19:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 19:00 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Things happening today: Kernel bug day and alpha 3 testing | 19:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Things happening today: Kernel bug day and alpha 3 testing | 19:02 |
| heno | just FYI really, no need for discussion | 19:02 |
| heno | unless someone has comments | 19:02 |
| bdmurray | Should I be testing the daily builds now? If not when? | 19:03 |
| bdmurray | I can see holding Hug Days and testing daily builds at the same time as being challenging. | 19:04 |
| davmor2 | lo | 19:04 |
| stgraber | pong | 19:04 |
| heno | bdmurray: yes, this will happen regularly | 19:04 |
| stgraber | sorry, at lug meeting | 19:04 |
| heno | we've had then on mondays sometimes close to releases | 19:05 |
| davmor2 | bdmurray: got my vote testing is hectic enough normally | 19:05 |
| heno | should we consider that as a regular day? | 19:05 |
| davmor2 | sorry heno for which? | 19:06 |
| heno | bug days on mondays | 19:07 |
| davmor2 | right | 19:07 |
| heno | we can't really move testing | 19:07 |
| heno | as it's tied to thursday releases | 19:07 |
| davmor2 | true :) | 19:07 |
| bdmurray | I think bug days on Mondays is problematic with holidays, timezones and weekends | 19:08 |
| pedro_ | I'd like to propose Tuesday instead | 19:08 |
| pedro_ | Monday is for me at least the busiest day of the week where you have to catch up tons of emails from the weekend | 19:08 |
| davmor2 | Tuesdays sounds good as the majority of testing seems to happen on wednesday's | 19:09 |
| bdmurray | heno: did the distro team meeting used to be on Tuesdays? | 19:09 |
| heno | with bug day on tuesday the lists could be prepared monday evening | 19:09 |
| * heno can't remember | 19:09 | |
| davmor2 | sounding like a plan then :)# | 19:10 |
| heno | so I'm not sure why it's wednesdays | 19:10 |
| heno | it also clashes with this meeting :) | 19:10 |
| heno | each week | 19:10 |
| liw | so Tuesday sounds best? | 19:11 |
| heno | sounds good, bdmurray? | 19:11 |
| davmor2 | probably because it keeps getting postponed until Wednesday :) | 19:11 |
| davmor2 | testing that is :) | 19:12 |
| bdmurray | heno: that works for me but I'd like to check with the rest of the bugsquad and the marketing team | 19:12 |
| heno | bdmurray: yep, will you email the lists? | 19:13 |
| davmor2 | makes sense no point if no-one else can do it :) | 19:13 |
| bdmurray | I think the first possible Tuesday would be the 29th then | 19:13 |
| bdmurray | heno: yes | 19:13 |
| heno | that's fine | 19:14 |
| heno | are we skipping it the week of the sprint? | 19:14 |
| bdmurray | That was my assumption but it was an assumption . . . | 19:15 |
| heno | [AGREED] We may move bug days to tuesdays to reduce conflicts | 19:16 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: We may move bug days to tuesdays to reduce conflicts | 19:16 |
| heno | bdmurray: we probably should skip it. we'll be quite busy | 19:16 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Following up on the target bug list with other teams | 19:17 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Following up on the target bug list with other teams | 19:17 |
| bdmurray | I'd be happy to help with the lists before leaving if someone wants to take that on | 19:17 |
| heno | I intended to attend the platform meeting today but missed it in the end :-/ | 19:17 |
| heno | bdmurray: perhaps that should go to the bugsquad list as well | 19:18 |
| heno | we have several active triagers who are not here now | 19:19 |
| heno | desktop team meeting is tomorrow at 14.00 UTC, but I have a phone meeting then | 19:20 |
| heno | pedro_: are you on line by then, could you attend? | 19:21 |
| pedro_ | let me check | 19:21 |
| heno | you might want to start attending desktop meetings anyway | 19:21 |
| heno | in the same way ogasawara attends kernel meetings | 19:21 |
| pedro_ | heno: yep, ok i'll attend to it | 19:22 |
| heno | of course the gnome packagers are not on the desktop team, but on platform ... | 19:22 |
| heno | pedro_: thanks | 19:22 |
| heno | I'll propose the bug list as an agenda item there | 19:23 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Desktop testing status and a quick 'getting started with dogtail' intro | 19:23 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Desktop testing status and a quick 'getting started with dogtail' intro | 19:23 |
| heno | liw has written up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/DogtailTutorial | 19:24 |
| heno | so everyone can play along at home | 19:24 |
| heno | with automated desktop testing | 19:24 |
| bdmurray | Has anyone tested it on Hardy? | 19:25 |
| liw | the instructions on that page work on gutsy, at least for me; I haven't dared to try hardy yet, and all my attempts at trying them in hardy-inside-qemu result in a broken filesystem on the qemu image; however, I expect they'll work on hardy, too | 19:25 |
| heno | it failed for me on hardy | 19:25 |
| heno | in vbox | 19:25 |
| heno | haven't tried on real hardware | 19:25 |
| davmor2 | I'll let you know latter I'm just rsyncing my bunch of images :) | 19:26 |
| liw | nothing in dogtail should be affected by real hardware vs emulation, but then again, that applies to most thigns... | 19:26 |
| heno | davmor2: that's great, thanks | 19:26 |
| davmor2 | well it's what test machine were designed for :) | 19:27 |
| liw | anyway, a more general update: that sample script on the page is how far I've gotten; it's surprisingly much effort to get a dogtail script written, and the recorders in accerciser and dogtail are basically of no use at all, so it's all manual work, and trial-and-error, too | 19:27 |
| liw | writing the scripts is, in fact, so much effort that I'm not sure it's worth continuing on that path -- it'll take person-weeks of effort to get anything useful for hardy, and then it'll all probably break when the apps change for hardy+1, so they'll have to be updated/rewritten | 19:28 |
| heno | liw: I promised I would hook you up with the accerciser dev; this seems like a good time for that | 19:28 |
| liw | I found out today about a new tool called Strongwind (or found out about it again -- someone told me about it during UDS, I think), I'll have a quick look at that tomorrow | 19:28 |
| liw | strongwind's not packaged for debian or ubuntu, but that should not be a problem | 19:29 |
| bdmurray | I know who that someone is | 19:29 |
| bdmurray | What happens with the recorders? | 19:29 |
| liw | bdmurray, the recorders don't record anything except key presses, when typing into text areas, which are the least interesting part of the script | 19:30 |
| heno | I could swear we had accerciser recording native scripts in oslo | 19:30 |
| liw | it may be that I'm just stupid and can't figure out how to use the recorders, of course; if so, help is appreciated | 19:30 |
| liw | heno, I get the same results now as then, I think, but the results are not useful :( | 19:30 |
| heno | I failed at it too ladt week, FWIW | 19:30 |
| heno | ok | 19:31 |
| liw | that is, the recorder records that I type "hello, world", but fails to record into which widget I do that; it does record the app, though | 19:31 |
| heno | so, yeah if anyone wants to play with this and add eyeballs that'd be great | 19:31 |
| heno | liw: did you try macaroon? | 19:32 |
| heno | it likely has near-identical syntax | 19:32 |
| heno | (why he doesn't just always use dogtail scripts i don't know) | 19:33 |
| liw | heno, no, I should try that, too | 19:33 |
| heno | ok, I think we're done. liw we can talk more about this after the meeting | 19:34 |
| liw | I forget why I rejected it as an option last year, but given that dogtail isn't looking promising right now, I should look again at all the options | 19:34 |
| liw | heno, ack | 19:34 |
| heno | #endmeeting | 19:34 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 19:34. | 19:34 |
| liw | that was a fairly fast meeting -- good :) | 19:35 |
| heno | happy bug triage and CD testing! | 19:35 |
| davmor2 | ttyl | 19:35 |
| pedro_ | thanks | 19:35 |
| heno | bdmurray: to answer your question - you are better off focusing on the bug day today I think | 19:38 |
| bdmurray | heno: roger, I'll see what I can manage with testing | 19:38 |
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