=== bigon is now known as bigon` === Varka_ is now known as Varka === tritium_ is now known as tritium === asac_ is now known as asac === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 09 Jan 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 10 Jan 14:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development | 10 Jan 16:00 UTC: Community Council | 16 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 14:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development === \sh_away is now known as \sh === bigon` is now known as bigon [12:00] hi ... who is here for the edubuntu meeting ? [12:02] happy new year RichEd [12:03] * ogra waves [12:03] and the same to you juliux :) [12:04] so it looks like just us 3 then ... we'll do a short & sweet reporback then [12:04] ogra: technical ? [12:04] well, te main issue was to move LTSP to the ubuntu alternate CD [12:05] which happened yesterday (after some preparation) [12:05] using ltsp-client-builder/run=true as a bootoption should currently (aplha3) build a ltsp server from CD [12:05] (untested yet, my iso rsync is at 97%) === \sh is now known as \sh_away [12:06] beyond that i'm working hard on the classmate autobuilder setup atm ... [12:06] not much other edubuntu specific stuff atm [12:06] with alpha4 we should be able tp drop the edubuntu-server CD [12:07] *to [12:07] ah, my rsync is done .... [12:07] * ogra starts a virtualbox install aside ... [12:08] well, that it about tech for me ... [12:08] laserjock managed to get the menu stuff working he said === \sh_away is now known as \sh [12:09] (we didnt have any further discussion about that yet) [12:09] * RichEd collects his tea ... back in 30 secs [12:11] back [12:11] ogra ... is that all from you ? [12:11] yup [12:11] at least i dont remember anything atm [12:12] okay ... not much from my side either ... just got back to my desk from leave yesterday [12:12] catching up on email backlog atm [12:12] i had 3000 waiting for me ... [12:12] not bad for nearly two weeks not touching the PC [12:13] (i had worse times already :) ) [12:13] doing some work on the educonlinux project ... the EU education collaboration that is driving the edubuntu content server [12:13] not to much to show at the moment, but I'll share the project web site when the content partner has populated it [12:13] --- [12:13] looks like a slow start to the year for community matters ... [12:14] i'll send a meeting reminder and agenda to the mail lists, to see if we can get more people next week [12:14] one thing to piont out for ltsp intrested people that might listen is that ltsp switched to use the -generic kernel flavour instead of -386 [12:15] anyone else (juliux) have any news / issues / ideas or suggestions ? [12:15] (it prove to work on all test clients i have here and the switch saves 20M on the CD) [12:15] RichEd, what about and edubuntu flyer for 2008 ? [12:15] or ubuntu-education fyler [12:15] juliux: indeed :) that's under way already [12:16] RichEd, can you send me the english one? i will create a german version [12:16] I have been tasked with preparing promo material for various target audiences [12:16] * high level decision makers (like edu departments and governments) [12:17] * OEM (original equipment manufacturers) we are encouraging to bundle *buntu [12:17] * school administrators [12:17] * teachers [12:17] I will prepare basic text and images ... [12:18] Then the marketing department will tailor this into: [12:18] i have still a very old version;) [12:18] * an education solution area on the ubuntu.com web site [12:18] * simple electronic flyers [12:19] * A4 formatted PDFs for central print (canonical) and local print (for loco's and expos etc) [12:19] The deadline is the end of january, so juliux, remind me again to send you copies [12:19] RichEd, thxs [12:19] Here is an interesting article: [12:19] Open Source Survey Suggests 2008 Will Be A Tipping Point [12:19] http://www.crn.com/it-channel/205600013 [12:20] f.y.i. a tipping point is when something reaches critical mass ... and goes exponential / mainstream [12:20] --- [12:20] That's about all from me [12:21] * RichEd opens the conversation to the floor ... anyone else ? [12:21] i wish i had more time... [12:21] (note that schools in the Southern Hemisphere are still on vacation ... so many people are away from their computers) [12:22] ogra ? anything else for now ? [12:22] if not we can wrap for today then. [12:22] right [12:22] nothings else [12:23] going Once [12:23] going Twice [12:23] * RichEd looks around .... [12:23] and done for today ... please make sure you remind people about the meeting for next week [12:23] Late one [12:24] * RichEd thanks ogra and juliux [12:24] thanks [13:10] eek === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying === \sh is now known as \sh_away === jono is now known as jono-in-email-he === jono-in-email-he is now known as jono-in-emailhel === jono-in-emailhel is now known as jonoinemailhell === jonoinemailhell is now known as jono [17:39] @schedule [17:39] Schedule for Etc/UTC: 09 Jan 20:00: Edubuntu meeting | 10 Jan 14:00: Desktop Team Development | 10 Jan 16:00: Community Council | 16 Jan 12:00: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 12:00: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 14:00: Desktop Team Development === FOAD_ is now known as FOAD === \sh_away is now known as \sh === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick [18:57] hello everyone [18:58] hello heno! [18:58] bdmurray, ogasawara, liw, stgraber - ping [18:59] hey pedro_ [18:59] heno: hi:) [18:59] heno: here I am [19:00] ogasawara: hey how is bug day going? [19:00] heno: good, we were just over chatting in ubuntu-bugs [19:00] the page looks good [19:00] yep, I'll try not to keep you long [19:00] #startmeeting [19:00] Meeting started at 19:00. The chair is heno. [19:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [19:02] [TOPIC] Things happening today: Kernel bug day and alpha 3 testing [19:02] New Topic: Things happening today: Kernel bug day and alpha 3 testing [19:02] just FYI really, no need for discussion [19:02] unless someone has comments [19:03] Should I be testing the daily builds now? If not when? [19:04] I can see holding Hug Days and testing daily builds at the same time as being challenging. [19:04] lo [19:04] pong [19:04] bdmurray: yes, this will happen regularly [19:04] sorry, at lug meeting [19:05] we've had then on mondays sometimes close to releases [19:05] bdmurray: got my vote testing is hectic enough normally [19:05] should we consider that as a regular day? [19:06] sorry heno for which? [19:07] bug days on mondays [19:07] right [19:07] we can't really move testing [19:07] as it's tied to thursday releases [19:07] true :) [19:08] I think bug days on Mondays is problematic with holidays, timezones and weekends [19:08] I'd like to propose Tuesday instead [19:08] Monday is for me at least the busiest day of the week where you have to catch up tons of emails from the weekend [19:09] Tuesdays sounds good as the majority of testing seems to happen on wednesday's [19:09] heno: did the distro team meeting used to be on Tuesdays? [19:09] with bug day on tuesday the lists could be prepared monday evening [19:09] * heno can't remember [19:10] sounding like a plan then :)# [19:10] so I'm not sure why it's wednesdays [19:10] it also clashes with this meeting :) [19:10] each week [19:11] so Tuesday sounds best? [19:11] sounds good, bdmurray? [19:11] probably because it keeps getting postponed until Wednesday :) [19:12] testing that is :) [19:12] heno: that works for me but I'd like to check with the rest of the bugsquad and the marketing team [19:13] bdmurray: yep, will you email the lists? [19:13] makes sense no point if no-one else can do it :) [19:13] I think the first possible Tuesday would be the 29th then [19:13] heno: yes [19:14] that's fine [19:14] are we skipping it the week of the sprint? [19:15] That was my assumption but it was an assumption . . . [19:16] [AGREED] We may move bug days to tuesdays to reduce conflicts [19:16] AGREED received: We may move bug days to tuesdays to reduce conflicts [19:16] bdmurray: we probably should skip it. we'll be quite busy [19:17] [TOPIC] Following up on the target bug list with other teams [19:17] New Topic: Following up on the target bug list with other teams [19:17] I'd be happy to help with the lists before leaving if someone wants to take that on [19:17] I intended to attend the platform meeting today but missed it in the end :-/ [19:18] bdmurray: perhaps that should go to the bugsquad list as well [19:19] we have several active triagers who are not here now [19:20] desktop team meeting is tomorrow at 14.00 UTC, but I have a phone meeting then [19:21] pedro_: are you on line by then, could you attend? [19:21] let me check [19:21] you might want to start attending desktop meetings anyway [19:21] in the same way ogasawara attends kernel meetings [19:22] heno: yep, ok i'll attend to it [19:22] of course the gnome packagers are not on the desktop team, but on platform ... [19:22] pedro_: thanks [19:23] I'll propose the bug list as an agenda item there [19:23] [TOPIC] Desktop testing status and a quick 'getting started with dogtail' intro [19:23] New Topic: Desktop testing status and a quick 'getting started with dogtail' intro [19:24] liw has written up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/DogtailTutorial [19:24] so everyone can play along at home [19:24] with automated desktop testing [19:25] Has anyone tested it on Hardy? [19:25] the instructions on that page work on gutsy, at least for me; I haven't dared to try hardy yet, and all my attempts at trying them in hardy-inside-qemu result in a broken filesystem on the qemu image; however, I expect they'll work on hardy, too [19:25] it failed for me on hardy [19:25] in vbox [19:25] haven't tried on real hardware [19:26] I'll let you know latter I'm just rsyncing my bunch of images :) [19:26] nothing in dogtail should be affected by real hardware vs emulation, but then again, that applies to most thigns... [19:26] davmor2: that's great, thanks [19:27] well it's what test machine were designed for :) [19:27] anyway, a more general update: that sample script on the page is how far I've gotten; it's surprisingly much effort to get a dogtail script written, and the recorders in accerciser and dogtail are basically of no use at all, so it's all manual work, and trial-and-error, too [19:28] writing the scripts is, in fact, so much effort that I'm not sure it's worth continuing on that path -- it'll take person-weeks of effort to get anything useful for hardy, and then it'll all probably break when the apps change for hardy+1, so they'll have to be updated/rewritten [19:28] liw: I promised I would hook you up with the accerciser dev; this seems like a good time for that [19:28] I found out today about a new tool called Strongwind (or found out about it again -- someone told me about it during UDS, I think), I'll have a quick look at that tomorrow [19:29] strongwind's not packaged for debian or ubuntu, but that should not be a problem [19:29] I know who that someone is [19:29] What happens with the recorders? [19:30] bdmurray, the recorders don't record anything except key presses, when typing into text areas, which are the least interesting part of the script [19:30] I could swear we had accerciser recording native scripts in oslo [19:30] it may be that I'm just stupid and can't figure out how to use the recorders, of course; if so, help is appreciated [19:30] heno, I get the same results now as then, I think, but the results are not useful :( [19:30] I failed at it too ladt week, FWIW [19:31] ok [19:31] that is, the recorder records that I type "hello, world", but fails to record into which widget I do that; it does record the app, though [19:31] so, yeah if anyone wants to play with this and add eyeballs that'd be great [19:32] liw: did you try macaroon? [19:32] it likely has near-identical syntax [19:33] (why he doesn't just always use dogtail scripts i don't know) [19:33] heno, no, I should try that, too [19:34] ok, I think we're done. liw we can talk more about this after the meeting [19:34] I forget why I rejected it as an option last year, but given that dogtail isn't looking promising right now, I should look again at all the options [19:34] heno, ack [19:34] #endmeeting [19:34] Meeting finished at 19:34. [19:35] that was a fairly fast meeting -- good :) [19:35] happy bug triage and CD testing! [19:35] ttyl [19:35] thanks [19:38] bdmurray: to answer your question - you are better off focusing on the bug day today I think [19:38] heno: roger, I'll see what I can manage with testing === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Edubuntu meeting Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 10 Jan 14:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development | 10 Jan 16:00 UTC: Community Council | 16 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 14:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development === \sh is now known as \sh_away === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 10 Jan 14:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development | 10 Jan 16:00 UTC: Community Council | 16 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 14:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development | 18 Jan 12:00 UTC: MOTU === bigon is now known as bigon` === bigon` is now known as bigon