[12:00] <RichEd> hi ... who is here for the edubuntu meeting ?
[12:02] <juliux> happy new year RichEd
[12:03]  * ogra waves
[12:03] <RichEd> and the same to you juliux :)
[12:04] <RichEd> so it looks like just us 3 then ... we'll do a short & sweet reporback then
[12:04] <RichEd> ogra: technical ?
[12:04] <ogra> well, te main issue was to move LTSP to the ubuntu alternate CD
[12:05] <ogra> which happened yesterday (after some preparation)
[12:05] <ogra> using ltsp-client-builder/run=true  as a bootoption should currently (aplha3) build a ltsp server from CD
[12:05] <ogra> (untested yet, my iso rsync is at 97%)
[12:06] <ogra> beyond that i'm working hard on the classmate autobuilder setup atm ...
[12:06] <ogra> not much other edubuntu specific stuff atm
[12:06] <ogra> with alpha4 we should be able tp drop the edubuntu-server CD
[12:07] <ogra> *to
[12:07] <ogra> ah, my rsync is done ....
[12:07]  * ogra starts a virtualbox install aside ...
[12:08] <ogra> well, that it about tech for me ...
[12:08] <ogra> laserjock managed to get the menu stuff working he said
[12:09] <ogra> (we didnt have any further discussion about that yet)
[12:09]  * RichEd collects his tea ... back in 30 secs
[12:11] <RichEd> back
[12:11] <RichEd> ogra ... is that all from you ?
[12:11] <ogra> yup
[12:11] <ogra> at least i dont remember anything atm
[12:12] <RichEd> okay ... not much from my side either ... just got back to my desk from leave yesterday
[12:12] <RichEd> catching up on email backlog atm
[12:12] <ogra> i had 3000 waiting for me ...
[12:12] <ogra> not bad for nearly two weeks not touching the PC
[12:13] <ogra> (i had worse times already :) )
[12:13] <RichEd> doing some work on the educonlinux project ... the EU education collaboration that is driving the edubuntu content server
[12:13] <RichEd> not to much to show at the moment, but I'll share the project web site when the content partner has populated it
[12:13] <RichEd> ---
[12:13] <RichEd> looks like a slow start to the year for community matters ...
[12:14] <RichEd> i'll send a meeting reminder and agenda to the mail lists, to see if we can get more people next week
[12:14] <ogra> one thing to piont out for ltsp intrested people that might listen is that ltsp switched to use the -generic kernel flavour instead of -386
[12:15] <RichEd> anyone else (juliux) have any news / issues / ideas or suggestions ?
[12:15] <ogra> (it prove to work on all test clients i have here and the switch saves 20M on the CD)
[12:15] <juliux> RichEd, what about and edubuntu flyer for 2008 ?
[12:15] <juliux> or ubuntu-education fyler
[12:15] <RichEd> juliux: indeed :) that's under way already
[12:16] <juliux> RichEd, can you send me the english one? i will create a german version
[12:16] <RichEd> I have been tasked with preparing promo material for various target audiences
[12:16] <RichEd> * high level decision makers (like edu departments and governments)
[12:17] <RichEd> * OEM (original equipment manufacturers) we are encouraging to bundle *buntu
[12:17] <RichEd> * school administrators
[12:17] <RichEd> * teachers
[12:17] <RichEd> I will prepare basic text and images ...
[12:18] <RichEd> Then the marketing department will tailor this into:
[12:18] <juliux> i have still a very old version;)
[12:18] <RichEd> * an education solution area on the ubuntu.com web site
[12:18] <RichEd> * simple electronic flyers
[12:19] <RichEd> * A4 formatted PDFs for central print (canonical) and local print (for loco's and expos etc)
[12:19] <RichEd> The deadline is the end of january, so juliux, remind me again to send you copies
[12:19] <juliux> RichEd, thxs
[12:19] <RichEd> Here is an interesting article:
[12:19] <RichEd> Open Source Survey Suggests 2008 Will Be A Tipping Point
[12:19] <RichEd> http://www.crn.com/it-channel/205600013
[12:20] <RichEd> f.y.i. a tipping point is when something reaches critical mass ... and goes exponential / mainstream
[12:20] <RichEd> ---
[12:20] <RichEd> That's about all from me
[12:21]  * RichEd opens the conversation to the floor ... anyone else ?
[12:21] <juliux> i wish i had more time...
[12:21] <RichEd> (note that schools in the Southern Hemisphere are still on vacation ... so many people are away from their computers)
[12:22] <RichEd> ogra ? anything else for now ?
[12:22] <RichEd> if not we can wrap for today then.
[12:22] <ogra> right
[12:22] <ogra> nothings else
[12:23] <RichEd> going Once
[12:23] <RichEd> going Twice
[12:23]  * RichEd looks around ....
[12:23] <RichEd> and done for today ... please make sure you remind people about the meeting for next week
[12:23] <RichEd> Late one
[12:24]  * RichEd thanks ogra and juliux 
[12:24] <ogra> thanks
[13:10] <highvoltage> eek
[17:39] <nixternal> @schedule
[17:39] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 09 Jan 20:00: Edubuntu meeting | 10 Jan 14:00: Desktop Team Development | 10 Jan 16:00: Community Council | 16 Jan 12:00: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 12:00: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 14:00: Desktop Team Development
[18:57] <heno> hello everyone
[18:58] <pedro_> hello heno!
[18:58] <heno> bdmurray, ogasawara, liw, stgraber - ping
[18:59] <heno> hey pedro_
[18:59] <ogasawara> heno: hi:)
[18:59] <bdmurray> heno: here I am
[19:00] <heno> ogasawara: hey how is bug day going?
[19:00] <ogasawara> heno: good, we were just over chatting in ubuntu-bugs
[19:00] <heno> the page looks good
[19:00] <heno> yep, I'll try not to keep you long
[19:00] <heno> #startmeeting
[19:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:00. The chair is heno.
[19:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:02] <heno> [TOPIC] Things happening today: Kernel bug day and alpha 3 testing
[19:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Things happening today: Kernel bug day and alpha 3 testing
[19:02] <heno> just FYI really, no need for discussion
[19:02] <heno> unless someone has comments
[19:03] <bdmurray> Should I be testing the daily builds now?  If not when?
[19:04] <bdmurray> I can see holding Hug Days and testing daily builds at the same time as being challenging.
[19:04] <davmor2> lo
[19:04] <stgraber> pong
[19:04] <heno> bdmurray: yes, this will happen regularly
[19:04] <stgraber> sorry, at lug meeting
[19:05] <heno> we've had then on mondays sometimes close to releases
[19:05] <davmor2> bdmurray: got my vote testing is hectic enough normally
[19:05] <heno> should we consider that as a regular day?
[19:06] <davmor2> sorry heno for which?
[19:07] <heno> bug days on mondays
[19:07] <davmor2> right
[19:07] <heno> we can't really move testing
[19:07] <heno> as it's tied to thursday releases
[19:07] <davmor2> true :)
[19:08] <bdmurray> I think bug days on Mondays is problematic with holidays, timezones and weekends
[19:08] <pedro_> I'd like to propose Tuesday instead
[19:08] <pedro_> Monday is for me at least the busiest day of the week where you have to catch up tons of emails from the weekend
[19:09] <davmor2> Tuesdays sounds good as the majority of testing seems to happen on wednesday's
[19:09] <bdmurray> heno: did the distro team meeting used to be on Tuesdays?
[19:09] <heno> with bug day on tuesday the lists could be prepared monday evening
[19:09]  * heno can't remember
[19:10] <davmor2> sounding like a plan then :)#
[19:10] <heno> so I'm not sure why it's wednesdays
[19:10] <heno> it also clashes with this meeting :)
[19:10] <heno> each week
[19:11] <liw> so Tuesday sounds best?
[19:11] <heno> sounds good, bdmurray?
[19:11] <davmor2> probably because it keeps getting postponed until Wednesday :)
[19:12] <davmor2> testing that is :)
[19:12] <bdmurray> heno: that works for me but I'd like to check with the rest of the bugsquad and the marketing team
[19:13] <heno> bdmurray: yep, will you email the lists?
[19:13] <davmor2> makes sense no point if no-one else can do it :)
[19:13] <bdmurray> I think the first possible Tuesday would be the 29th then
[19:13] <bdmurray> heno: yes
[19:14] <heno> that's fine
[19:14] <heno> are we skipping it the week of the sprint?
[19:15] <bdmurray> That was my assumption but it was an assumption . . .
[19:16] <heno> [AGREED] We may move bug days to tuesdays to reduce conflicts
[19:16] <MootBot> AGREED received:  We may move bug days to tuesdays to reduce conflicts
[19:16] <heno> bdmurray: we probably should skip it. we'll be quite busy
[19:17] <heno> [TOPIC] Following up on the target bug list with other teams
[19:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Following up on the target bug list with other teams
[19:17] <bdmurray> I'd be happy to help with the lists before leaving if someone wants to take that on
[19:17] <heno> I intended to attend the platform meeting today but missed it in the end :-/
[19:18] <heno> bdmurray: perhaps that should go to the bugsquad list as well
[19:19] <heno> we have several active triagers who are not here now
[19:20] <heno> desktop team meeting is tomorrow at 14.00 UTC, but I have a phone meeting then
[19:21] <heno> pedro_: are you on line by then, could you attend?
[19:21] <pedro_> let me check
[19:21] <heno> you might want to start attending desktop meetings anyway
[19:21] <heno> in the same way ogasawara attends kernel meetings
[19:22] <pedro_> heno: yep, ok i'll attend to it
[19:22] <heno> of course the gnome packagers are not on the desktop team, but on platform ...
[19:22] <heno> pedro_: thanks
[19:23] <heno> I'll propose the bug list as an agenda item there
[19:23] <heno> [TOPIC] Desktop testing status and a quick 'getting started with dogtail' intro
[19:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop testing status and a quick 'getting started with dogtail' intro
[19:24] <heno> liw has written up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/DogtailTutorial
[19:24] <heno> so everyone can play along at home
[19:24] <heno> with automated desktop testing
[19:25] <bdmurray> Has anyone tested it on Hardy?
[19:25] <liw> the instructions on that page work on gutsy, at least for me; I haven't dared to try hardy yet, and all my attempts at trying them in hardy-inside-qemu result in a broken filesystem on the qemu image; however, I expect they'll work on hardy, too
[19:25] <heno> it failed for me on hardy
[19:25] <heno> in vbox
[19:25] <heno> haven't tried on real hardware
[19:26] <davmor2> I'll let you know latter I'm just rsyncing my bunch of images :)
[19:26] <liw> nothing in dogtail should be affected by real hardware vs emulation, but then again, that applies to most thigns...
[19:26] <heno> davmor2: that's great, thanks
[19:27] <davmor2> well it's what test machine were designed for :)
[19:27] <liw> anyway, a more general update: that sample script on the page is how far I've gotten; it's surprisingly much effort to get a dogtail script written, and the recorders in accerciser and dogtail are basically of no use at all, so it's all manual work, and trial-and-error, too
[19:28] <liw> writing the scripts is, in fact, so much effort that I'm not sure it's worth continuing on that path -- it'll take person-weeks of effort to get anything useful for hardy, and then it'll all probably break when the apps change for hardy+1, so they'll have to be updated/rewritten
[19:28] <heno> liw: I promised I would hook you up with the accerciser dev; this seems like a good time for that
[19:28] <liw> I found out today about a new tool called Strongwind (or found out about it again -- someone told me about it during UDS, I think), I'll have a quick look at that tomorrow
[19:29] <liw> strongwind's not packaged for debian or ubuntu, but that should not be a problem
[19:29] <bdmurray> I know who that someone is
[19:29] <bdmurray> What happens with the recorders?
[19:30] <liw> bdmurray, the recorders don't record anything except key presses, when typing into text areas, which are the least interesting part of the script
[19:30] <heno> I could swear we had accerciser recording native scripts in oslo
[19:30] <liw> it may be that I'm just stupid and can't figure out how to use the recorders, of course; if so, help is appreciated
[19:30] <liw> heno, I get the same results now as then, I think, but the results are not useful :(
[19:30] <heno> I failed at it too ladt week, FWIW
[19:31] <heno> ok
[19:31] <liw> that is, the recorder records that I type "hello, world", but fails to record into which widget I do that; it does record the app, though
[19:31] <heno> so, yeah if anyone wants to play with this and add eyeballs that'd be great
[19:32] <heno> liw: did you try macaroon?
[19:32] <heno> it likely has near-identical syntax
[19:33] <heno> (why he doesn't just always use dogtail scripts i don't know)
[19:33] <liw> heno, no, I should try that, too
[19:34] <heno> ok, I think we're done. liw we can talk more about this after the meeting
[19:34] <liw> I forget why I rejected it as an option last year, but given that dogtail isn't looking promising right now, I should look again at all the options
[19:34] <liw> heno, ack
[19:34] <heno> #endmeeting
[19:34] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:34.
[19:35] <liw> that was a fairly fast meeting -- good :)
[19:35] <heno> happy bug triage and CD testing!
[19:35] <davmor2> ttyl
[19:35] <pedro_> thanks
[19:38] <heno> bdmurray: to answer your question - you are better off focusing on the bug day today I think
[19:38] <bdmurray> heno: roger, I'll see what I can manage with testing