| corevette | will KDE4 be in alpha 3? | 00:19 |
|---|---|---|
| Riddell | corevette: no | 00:22 |
| jjesse | hate to ask on this channel but whats the easiest way to get my xp vm to connect to a kubntu folder via samba, no one on #kubuntu can help | 00:34 |
| Riddell | jjesse: where are you stuck? | 00:38 |
| jjesse | configuring hte user | 00:39 |
| jjesse | the user that can access the folder | 00:39 |
| Riddell | I seem to remember it's just the same users as on the machine | 00:39 |
| Riddell | not that I've used samba much | 00:39 |
| jjesse | i've installed samba, then in system settings i've setup the folder i want to share | 00:40 |
| jjesse | however in windows i keep getting asked for a username/password | 00:40 |
| Riddell | Vorian: did you change ktorrent's rules file? | 00:40 |
| jjesse | in system settings i click on add user and not able to add a user | 00:40 |
| Riddell | jjesse: ug, don't use system settings for samba | 00:40 |
| Riddell | it's broken | 00:40 |
| jjesse | Riddell: found out that is | 00:41 |
| stdin | try putting "security = SHARE" under "[global]" in /etc/samba/smb.conf | 00:42 |
| jjesse | thanks stdin | 00:43 |
| nixternal | Riddell: just got the ktorrent email, freaked me out for a second...I was like "oh no, please tell me I didn't upload that accidentally" | 00:56 |
| Riddell | I e-mailed? | 00:56 |
| nixternal | nah, you uploaded and I got the commit email | 00:56 |
| Riddell | I uploaded? | 00:57 |
| Jucato | O.o | 00:57 |
| nixternal | someone did | 00:57 |
| Jucato | lol | 00:57 |
| nixternal | the email was sent to you and I | 00:57 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell | 00:57 |
| Riddell | nixternal: ktorrent or ktorrent-kde4? | 00:57 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell's losing it... | 00:57 |
| Jucato | I was beginning to think Riddell sleep-commits :) | 00:57 |
| nixternal | ktorrent-kde4 | 00:57 |
| nixternal | heh | 00:57 |
| nixternal | I forgot about KDE 3 already, sorry :p | 00:57 |
| Jucato | lol | 00:57 |
| Riddell | nixternal: only think I see is ktorrent-kde4/3.97.0 | 00:58 |
| Riddell | thing | 00:58 |
| nixternal | Accepted: | 00:58 |
| nixternal | OK: extragear-plasma_4.0.0.orig.tar.gz | 00:58 |
| nixternal | OK: extragear-plasma_4.0.0-0ubuntu1.diff.gz | 00:58 |
| nixternal | OK: extragear-plasma_4.0.0-0ubuntu1.dsc | 00:58 |
| nixternal | OMG | 00:58 |
| nixternal | I am a moron | 00:58 |
| nixternal | I meant plasma :p | 00:58 |
| Jucato | where's the ktorrent? | 00:58 |
| Jucato | :D | 00:58 |
| * nixternal goes back to sleep | 00:58 | |
| Riddell | ah, easily confused :) | 00:59 |
| Jucato | nixternal: you just crack me up :) | 00:59 |
| nixternal | ya, plasma/ktorrent, they look alike :p | 00:59 |
| Jucato | and watching a googlee talk by the xkcd guy helps a lot in cracking me up :) | 00:59 |
| Jucato | oo googlee :) | 00:59 |
| nixternal | I was out today and noticed some people at Best Buy running the openSUSE KDE 4 cd on a laptop | 00:59 |
| nixternal | I was looking for a good 4 port KVM that supports audio, widescreen, and usb | 01:00 |
| nixternal | I almost bought that new Mac keyboard...that thing is just beautiful | 01:00 |
| Jucato | brave soul those people... | 01:00 |
| Jucato | souls* | 01:00 |
| Nightrose | Jucato: seen the talk? i think that was awesome | 01:00 |
| Riddell | meh, xkcd guy kept me up late at night when I was at AllHands | 01:00 |
| nixternal | I have been playing with my new Mac, and I am not sold on it just yet | 01:00 |
| nixternal | I don't see what others do I guess | 01:00 |
| Jucato | :D | 01:01 |
| nixternal | it is a pita to tweak, it is slow | 01:01 |
| nixternal | oh, and it reminds me of gnome | 01:01 |
| Jucato | Nightrose: yeah :D | 01:01 |
| Jucato | nixternal: well, GNOME is somewhat a copy of OS X.... even if de Icaza wants to copy MS... O.o | 01:01 |
| nixternal | ouch | 01:02 |
| nixternal | that was low | 01:02 |
| Jucato | hehe :) | 01:02 |
| Jucato | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJOS0sV2a24 anyway if anyone wants to watch :) | 01:02 |
| Hobbsee | !visternal | 01:02 |
| ubotu | Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! | 01:02 |
| nixternal | I think I will go Mac over MS anyday now | 01:03 |
| Hobbsee | trading one addiction for another, there | 01:03 |
| Jucato | :P | 01:03 |
| nixternal | Jucato: what am I watching? | 01:08 |
| nixternal | oh, I played with the N810, totally not worth it | 01:08 |
| Jucato | Google Talk by Randall Munroe, xkcd creator | 01:09 |
| nixternal | Samsung has one even nicer for less if you ask me | 01:09 |
| Jucato | (not the white haired guy) | 01:09 |
| nixternal | oh | 01:09 |
| jjesse_ | grargh... my hotel can't deal w/ my linux boot | 01:31 |
| jjesse_ | keep getting kicked off the wireless | 01:31 |
| jjesse_ | just got off the phone and they have no knwledge | 01:31 |
| ScottK | Why should the fact that it's Linux matter? | 01:32 |
| jjesse_ | well when i'm boot into windows, it works fine | 01:33 |
| jjesse_ | when i boot into linux i can't maintain a stable connection | 01:33 |
| jjesse_ | not even handled a valid ip address | 01:34 |
| ScottK | Are you using Network Manager? | 01:34 |
| jjesse_ | knetworkmanager | 01:34 |
| jjesse_ | but yes, i do not get internet access | 01:38 |
| ScottK | What happens if you set your network setting to manage them manually and the do sudo sh /etc/init.d/networking start (or maybe restart)? | 01:40 |
| jjesse_ | will have to restart to linux | 01:40 |
| ScottK | jjesse_: Should at least give you idea of where things are going wrong | 01:41 |
| jjesse_ | will do | 01:41 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right, now what metapackage do i install to make kde4 "just work"? | 01:41 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: kde4.1 | 01:42 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: nyah. | 01:42 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: and out of the packages that exist? | 01:42 |
| ScottK | Oh. You weren't specific ;-) | 01:43 |
| * Hobbsee clubs ScottK in the head | 01:43 | |
| * ScottK is glad he wears a helmet while working | 01:44 | |
| * stdin wonders why Hobbsee is Building kde4libs 4:3.96.0-1ubuntu1 | 01:44 | |
| Hobbsee | stdin: i'm not? | 01:44 |
| Hobbsee | er, now which packages have to go first? | 01:45 |
| stdin | you were according to https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds | 01:45 |
| Vorian | evening :) | 01:45 |
| stdin | maybe LP auto re-queues PPA packages? | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | it does, but that should have been done ages ago | 01:47 |
| Hobbsee | ooh, nice, a build queue depth | 01:49 |
| jjesse | ScottK: i'm on for now, got RTnETLINK Ansers No Such Process when i did a /etc/init.d/networking restart | 01:50 |
| jjesse | really slow connection | 01:50 |
| ScottK | Did you connect via start then? | 01:51 |
| jjesse | i configured networkmanager to manual | 01:51 |
| ScottK | Sounds like you might want to be collecting data for a bug. | 01:51 |
| jjesse | the internet "helpdesK" asked for my mac address | 01:52 |
| ScottK | If Windows works, then Linux should too, so there's a bug somewhere. It'd be good to have data on it. | 01:53 |
| jjesse_ | ok that went terribly wrong | 02:08 |
| jjesse_ | now i can't get knetworkmanager back to th automatica configuration where i can select the wireless connection | 02:08 |
| ScottK | jjesse_: You have to edit /etc/network/interfaces back to automatic | 02:09 |
| jjesse_ | ah didn't know that | 02:09 |
| Jucato | very few do :) | 02:09 |
| * ScottK learned the hard way. | 02:09 | |
| Jucato | good thing for us :) | 02:10 |
| jjesse_ | still can't connect | 02:10 |
| jjesse_ | i mean i'm on for a coupple of seconds and then dropped off | 02:10 |
| jjesse_ | stupid internet | 02:10 |
| Vorian | lol | 02:12 |
| Vorian | that hurts | 02:12 |
| Vorian | didn't mean to laugh | 02:12 |
| jjesse_ | seriously when i'm in windows i'm getting a 300kbps upload speed according to speedtest.net | 02:13 |
| jjesse_ | wow i think i'm getting booted in windows as well | 02:14 |
| Vorian | I'm trying to build ligature | 02:15 |
| Vorian | but i get this error | 02:15 |
| Vorian | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51413/ | 02:15 |
| Jucato | oh ligature... | 02:15 |
| * Jucato remembers the drama... | 02:16 | |
| Vorian | noo | 02:16 |
| Vorian | don't tell me its drama | 02:16 |
| Jucato | blitz (qimageblitz) is installed? | 02:16 |
| Jucato | !find blitz | 02:16 |
| ubotu | Found: libqimageblitz-dev, libqimageblitz4 | 02:16 |
| Vorian | hmm | 02:16 |
| Jucato | the drama of okular vs ligature... okular won :) | 02:17 |
| Vorian | :( | 02:17 |
| Vorian | this is the line.... | 02:17 |
| Vorian | CMake Error: Blitz_DIR is not set. It must be set to the directory containing BlitzConfig.cmake in order to use Blitz. | 02:17 |
| Jucato | I don't know what happened after ligature lost the fight, if it remained maintained in extragear... | 02:17 |
| nixternal | it is in extragear | 02:18 |
| * Jucato waves to nixternal :D | 02:18 | |
| Vorian | aye, i have libqimageblitz-dev as a depends | 02:18 |
| Vorian | flippin ZenWalk has it | 02:21 |
| Vorian | kde4ligature | 02:21 |
| Jucato | :( | 02:22 |
| * Vorian tries: export Blitz_DIR="/usr/include/blitz/" | 02:23 | |
| nixternal | you shouldn't have to export that at all, why it isn't picking it up in pbuilder is beyond me though | 02:28 |
| Vorian | hmmmmmm | 02:28 |
| nixternal | Vorian: pastebin your control file | 02:29 |
| Vorian | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51416/ | 02:30 |
| Vorian | nixternal: of course it's not cleaned up yet | 02:30 |
| nixternal | libfreetype6-dev, libjpeg62-dev, libtiff4-dev, libgcc1 | 02:32 |
| nixternal | that stuff is automatically in a buildd, so you don't need to build against it I don't think | 02:32 |
| nixternal | find_package(Blitz REQUIRED) | 02:32 |
| nixternal | that is all that is in the CMake file | 02:32 |
| nixternal | Msgfmt and Gettext are already part of the system, so you don't need to build-dep against them or parts of them | 02:33 |
| Vorian | editing as we speak | 02:33 |
| nixternal | ok, this magic foo isn't working for me | 02:33 |
| Jucato | ah.. debian/control files :) | 02:33 |
| Vorian | i'll try it again | 02:34 |
| nixternal | bah, gotta add a .install file it seems for the foo | 02:35 |
| Vorian | darn it all! | 02:36 |
| Vorian | :) | 02:36 |
| Vorian | 1) You need to reinstall Blitz from kdesupport. | 02:37 |
| Vorian | 2) There is an updated FindBlitz cmake module in kdelibs/cmake/modules. This | 02:37 |
| Vorian | needs to be installed. | 02:37 |
| Vorian | 3) You need to delete your CMake cache file in your build directory so the | 02:37 |
| Vorian | updated FindBlitz will run. | 02:37 |
| * nixternal pets his chroot for actually working tonight | 02:37 | |
| ScottK | nixternal: So that's what you call it? | 02:37 |
| nixternal | hahahahah | 02:38 |
| Vorian | BAHAHA! | 02:38 |
| nixternal | I about shot an icecube through my nose | 02:38 |
| Jucato | lol | 02:38 |
| Vorian | lol | 02:38 |
| Jucato | synchronized lol's :) | 02:38 |
| Vorian | ^5 Jucato | 02:39 |
| jjesse_ | ok so can someone send me or pastebin me a /etc/network/interfaces file cause i've messed mine up totally | 02:56 |
| Vorian | weird | 02:57 |
| Vorian | jjesse_: don't know if this will help, but http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51417/ | 02:59 |
| jjesse_ | is there a way to recreate that file? | 03:00 |
| Vorian | cd /etc/network/ | 03:00 |
| Vorian | nano interfaces | 03:00 |
| jjesse_ | right i now i can edit my interface file | 03:04 |
| jjesse_ | know | 03:04 |
| === bigon is now known as bigon` | ||
| Hobbsee | stdin: ze ppa world exploded. plzfix. kthxbye. | 03:29 |
| jjesse | am i still connected? | 03:30 |
| ScottK | jjesse: Yes | 03:30 |
| stdin | Hobbsee: blame the one who's initials are "J" and "R", and I'm a fixin em :) | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:30 |
| ScottK | That or I'm a hallucination | 03:30 |
| jjesse | lookd likr i'm connected for a brief amount of time | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: you pinged out before though | 03:31 |
| jjesse | i've been pinging out all night, my hotel internet doesn't like me connected via my linux boot | 03:31 |
| stdin | Hobbsee: FYI, the language-packs uploaded to hardy are going to go !!KABOOM!! too | 03:38 |
| Hobbsee | stdin: why? | 03:39 |
| stdin | missing b-d on cdbs and quilt | 03:39 |
| * Hobbsee sighs | 03:40 | |
| jjesse | can someone confirm a possilbe bug i found in kde-docs? open up helpcenter, go to settings->modules -> internet & network and click on Network settings | 03:40 |
| stdin | the i386 queue is going to sore today | 03:40 |
| jjesse | where do guys go to watch the queues? | 03:40 |
| stdin | top left of +build | 03:41 |
| stdin | *+builds | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | aw, bugger | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | some of this fell over | 03:41 |
| jjesse | top left of what? | 03:42 |
| jjesse | sorry got lost | 03:42 |
| stdin | https://launchpad.net/+builds | 03:42 |
| * Hobbsee rescores pimlibs | 03:42 | |
| jjesse | oh cool | 03:43 |
| Hobbsee | oh, yuck. | 03:44 |
| Hobbsee | stdin: you're sure that they're goign to kaboom? | 03:44 |
| stdin | Hobbsee: have a look http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11240662/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.kde-l10n-ne_4%3A4.0.0-0ubuntu1%7Egutsy1%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 03:44 |
| stdin | basically several of: debian/cdbs/cmake.mk:30: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/buildcore.mk: No such file or directory | 03:45 |
| Hobbsee | testing ftw! | 03:45 |
| stdin | and the like | 03:45 |
| * stdin has diffs | 03:45 | |
| Hobbsee | oh goody | 03:46 |
| Hobbsee | stdin: where? | 03:46 |
| stdin | just uploaded to my apache server now | 03:46 |
| stdin | *uploading | 03:46 |
| stdin | http://www.stdin.me.uk/diffs/ | 03:47 |
| Hobbsee | stdin: do you have a list of those in a line? | 03:47 |
| Hobbsee | as in, the langpack names? | 03:48 |
| stdin | I'll make one | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | thanks | 03:49 |
| stdin | kde-l10n-ar kde-l10n-be kde-l10n-bg kde-l10n-ca kde-l10n-csb kde-l10n-de kde-l10n-el kde-l10n-engb kde-l10n-eo kde-l10n-es kde-l10n-et kde-l10n-eu kde-l10n-fi kde-l10n-fr kde-l10n-ga kde-l10n-gl kde-l10n-hi kde-l10n-hu kde-l10n-it kde-l10n-ja kde-l10n-km kde-l10n-ko kde-l10n-lv kde-l10n-mk kde-l10n-nb kde-l10n-nds kde-l10n-ne kde-l10n-nl kde-l10n-nn kde-l10n-pa kde-l10n-pl kde-l10n-pt kde-l10n-ptbr kde-l10n-ru kde-l10n-se kde-l10n-sl kde-l10n-sv | 03:49 |
| stdin | kde-l10n-th kde-l10n-tr kde-l10n-uk kde-l10n-wa kde-l10n-zhcn kde-l10n-zhtw | 03:49 |
| stdin | wow, that is a lot | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | exactly | 03:49 |
| stdin | you go all of that? up to kde-l10n-zhtw? | 03:50 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 03:50 |
| stdin | good | 03:50 |
| stdin | I think there'll be more diffs to come (and a long night for me) | 03:54 |
| nixternal | stdin: for a second there I thought we were getting spammed :) | 03:54 |
| stdin | I used a mix of echo and sed, so I didn't quite see how long that line was | 03:55 |
| nixternal | DEB_DH_INSTALL_ARGS = --sourcedir=debian/$(DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE) | 03:55 |
| nixternal | Vorian: ^^ that might be the logical fix for the magic foo | 03:56 |
| nixternal | that would remove the need for a .install file | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | oh, ugh. | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | stdin: you couldn't happen to build them with -sd, and leave the source.changes there for me to sign, could you? | 03:57 |
| * Hobbsee grins at being lazy | 03:57 | |
| Hobbsee | E: Unable to find a source package for kde-l10n-ca | 03:57 |
| stdin | lemme just find my for .... command | 03:58 |
| * Hobbsee slowly deprios | 04:02 | |
| Hobbsee | stdin: will everything else fail too? | 04:04 |
| stdin | not everything no | 04:04 |
| * Hobbsee sighs | 04:04 | |
| Hobbsee | testing things would really be nice, y'know... | 04:04 |
| stdin | kdebindings-kde4 and kdewebdev-kde4 seem to need a b-d on libphonon-dev though | 04:05 |
| stdin | other than that, I think it should be ok (hopefully) | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | right, good | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | stdin: any luck with that for line? | 04:08 |
| stdin | Hobbsee: it's running now | 04:08 |
| Hobbsee | yay :) | 04:08 |
| stdin | on -tr- | 04:08 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 04:09 |
| Vorian | nixternal: that's for ligature? | 04:10 |
| nixternal | nope, I figured out my problem | 04:10 |
| Vorian | :) | 04:10 |
| Vorian | kewl | 04:10 |
| nixternal | /var/cache/pbuilder/hardy/result/ wasn't empty so my .debs were goofy | 04:10 |
| nixternal | this should be my final test and then I will upload the rules file you need to use for those packages...you will just need to update the install/kaider-kde4:: to whatever your package name is | 04:11 |
| stdin | Hobbsee: hows http://www.stdin.me.uk/diffs2/ look? | 04:11 |
| Vorian | nixternal: werd | 04:11 |
| Vorian | sounds good | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | stdin: great, but missing .dsc's. | 04:12 |
| stdin | hit F5 ;) | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | ah, goody | 04:12 |
| === aRyn_ is now known as aRyn | ||
| Hobbsee | whee! | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | mass signing FTW! | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | yay, accepted spam. | 04:25 |
| n8k99 | hooray! | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | yay, 44 accepted mails1 | 04:31 |
| Hobbsee | stdin: thanks | 04:32 |
| stdin | I can do kdebindings-kde4 and kdewebdev-kde4 for you if you want too? the're already in the same place :) | 04:33 |
| * Hobbsee shrugs | 04:33 | |
| * Hobbsee will babysit the rest first | 04:34 | |
| stdin | well they will also ftbfs, need libphonon-dev b-d | 04:35 |
| stdin | ↑2U | 04:35 |
| Hobbsee | oh *sigh* | 04:35 |
| nixternal | I wonder if it would be possible to have some Kubuntu KDE 4 CDs made up for Flourish in March...I will be running a KDE booth | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | stdin: oh, even better | 04:47 |
| * Hobbsee waits for the publisher | 04:49 | |
| nixternal | damn you jjesse and your "log in to leave a comment" blog :p | 04:49 |
| nixternal | I was going to say, OneNote sucks just as much as Basket does | 04:49 |
| nixternal | you want a good note taking app, grab one of the many personal wikis out there...much better and a hell of a lot less stress on the resources | 04:50 |
| nixternal | for stand alone note apps though, I think Tomboy has everyone beat hands down | 04:50 |
| nixternal | even if it is a horrible mono app | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | heh, yes | 04:50 |
| * Hobbsee likes tomboy | 04:51 | |
| Hobbsee | gnome is very slow to load with it, though | 04:51 |
| nixternal | everything is slow to load with mono :) | 04:51 |
| nixternal | Basket is an obvious rip off of OneNote which is sad, or an attempt to rip off | 04:51 |
| nixternal | I like the notes in OS X too | 04:52 |
| nixternal | they are pretty slick | 04:52 |
| nixternal | w00t, I am giving yet another KDE 4 talk, this time in front of 500+ people | 04:52 |
| * nixternal throws up | 04:52 | |
| Hobbsee | you'll be fine | 04:54 |
| nixternal | that's a bunch of people | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | they'll all just point and laugh, and otherwise all heckle you | 04:55 |
| nixternal | so far I have just done it in front of 50 or so CS majors at local universities :) | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | yes. with lots of eggs adn rotten tomatoes. | 04:55 |
| nixternal | they will heckle, as most of them already have in the past :p | 04:55 |
| nixternal | I hope they don't throw Ubuntu CDs at me | 04:55 |
| nixternal | or, eggs and rotten tomatoes | 04:55 |
| nixternal | err, s/or/oh | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | just make sure they're checked at teh door | 04:56 |
| * ScottK moves another MIR onto the "Done" pile. | 04:56 | |
| === rdieter is now known as rdieter_afk | ||
| nixternal | Vorian: where you at so far? everything going good? | 05:11 |
| nixternal | I am almost done...working on your kmldonkey getting ready to upload it after this build | 05:11 |
| nixternal | I think ktorrent Riddell was just gonna do | 05:11 |
| nixternal | since there is nothing to be done to it | 05:11 |
| nixternal | just uupdate and rock on | 05:12 |
| ScottK | You leave the easy one for the boss so he feel like he's still got it? | 05:12 |
| nixternal | I added the magic foo to kmldonkey for ya btw | 05:12 |
| nixternal | ScottK: you know it :) | 05:12 |
| nixternal | he does enough, it is good to give him the easy things every once and a while | 05:13 |
| === bigon` is now known as bigon | ||
| nixternal | ahh lovely, libgif4 conflicts, kdebase 3.98 issue | 05:27 |
| nixternal | Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/kopete-crypto/ <- can you finish this one up too please? | 05:31 |
| stdin | nixternal: kopete-cryptography-kde4 doesn't have any files in bin/ , all your debian/rules needs to be is "include debian/cdbs/kde.mk" | 05:36 |
| nixternal | he can fix it...it won't build anyways no matter what you do because all of 3.98 hasn't build yet from the looks of it | 05:37 |
| nixternal | Vorian: when you complete kpov and ligature, send them to Riddell...I need to crash soon, forgot I have an early doctor's appointment | 05:43 |
| bigon | could someone have a look at decibel? | 05:54 |
| bigon | it's currently FTBFS | 05:54 |
| === rouzic_ is now known as rouzic_ausente | ||
| * stdin naps while waiting for the ~180 "Ubuntu language pack builders" packages to stop holding the i386 buildd to ransom | 06:58 | |
| blizzzek | right now i saw that there are problems with okular-kde4 after tomorrows update. when i launch it (but from a kde 3.5.8 session) it says okular party cannot be found. then there is a useless window in kde4 style :( | 08:16 |
| mhb | ; | 08:24 |
| === hunger_t is now known as hunger | ||
| sebastian^ | good morning folks :) | 09:24 |
| davmor2 | good morning | 09:32 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I notice there is a new build for the alternatives :) | 09:33 |
| Riddell | fabo: why not make kdelibs5-dev depend on libphonon-dev? | 10:48 |
| fabo | Riddell: primary because kdelibs could be used without phonon, i don't have any real use case atm | 10:50 |
| fabo | i thought about kdegraphics as a good example but okular links against phonon ... | 10:51 |
| Riddell | Vorian: your debian/copyright for kmldonkey is needlessly verbose, you don't have to list every file (it's unmaintainable in the long term) nor the full GPL | 11:07 |
| Vorian | Riddell: ok, that will be useful in the future :) | 11:08 |
| Riddell | Vorian: otherwise all perfect, accepting | 11:08 |
| Vorian | awesome! | 11:08 |
| Vorian | I'll keep an eye on upstream releases and correct the copyright when a new release is available. | 11:09 |
| Riddell | nixternal: kfax-kde4 debian/copyright says its GPL 2 only, but it seems to be GPL 2 + (fine for me to accept but best to be fixed at some point) | 11:14 |
| Riddell | nixternal: kcolouredit-kde4 too | 11:14 |
| * Vorian is off to work | 11:18 | |
| * apache|mobile needs someone to revu dragonplayer | 11:21 | |
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| Riddell | apache|mobile: url? | 11:22 |
| apache|mobile | Riddell: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=dragonplayer | 11:23 |
| Riddell | revu has moved? | 11:23 |
| apache|mobile | Riddell: nope, though I prefer to use ubuntuwire ... branding and stuff ;-) | 11:24 |
| Riddell | apache|mobile: ok, a couple of issues, nothing major | 11:28 |
| apache|mobile | thanks | 11:30 |
| Riddell | ah Hobbsee | 11:40 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: fancy upping the build priority of kdebase-runtime kdebase-kde4 and kdebase-workspace? | 11:40 |
| Hobbsee | heya! | 11:40 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: you want me to babysit some buildds again? | 11:40 |
| apache|mobile | Riddell: updated, uploading to nu queue now | 11:41 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: if you agree to actually test build. | 11:42 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: reprio'ing | 11:44 |
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| Hobbsee | right, done | 11:44 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: are you able to up the priority of ppa builds too? | 12:02 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: no | 12:02 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: well, i don't think so | 12:03 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: a build queue for that hasn't been Deemed Important. | 12:03 |
| Riddell | hmm, so fingers crossed in hoping we'll have packages in time | 12:03 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: pretty much the only way to get control of a ppa build at all is to ask IS to rip out the build directory of something that's currently building. | 12:04 |
| Hobbsee | oh, and take it off auto, so it doesn't get given anything else. | 12:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: fyi I'm currentl working on the one click install for kubuntu | 12:32 |
| Jucato | woot woot :) | 12:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have a question on that point, a we do use an ioslave.... do you know if it is possible to exclude some urls from konqueror's history ? | 12:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that can cause some issues sometime for example when playing the "back" and "forward" buttons | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | the apt: | 12:33 |
| Jucato | hehe. that sounded nice.. "The Apt"! :) | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | the apt:/ urls should be excluded somehow, maybe by patching khtml/kdelibs | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: there is already installation support on hardy, I need to had the management for adding external repos etc.... | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: apt://yakuake will install yakuake | 12:34 |
| Jucato | oooh... it's in hardy right now? gotta test! :) | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | also, browsing the packages with apt:/ allows to install and remove packages using adept | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: please let me know how that works for you | 12:34 |
| Jucato | sure :) | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: and aoid playing with back and forward, I investigate to get those urls removed from the historic | 12:35 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: and mornfall is working again on adept, for kde4. and yuriy's working with him on it too. exciting to see how it will all come together :D | 12:35 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: does apt://yakuake proposes you to install the software ? | 12:36 |
| Jucato | still booting my VM for hardy testing :) | 12:36 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I don't know, try asking ervin, he knows all about ioslaves | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: I know :) well basically I use adept-batch from kio-apt to deal with this | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I was thinking about him yeah :) | 12:36 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: is kio-apt ported to KDE 4? (I'm guessing not yet?) | 12:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I noticed that urls that are not opened with konqueror, for example http://www.mywebsite.com/myfile.txt are not in the historic | 12:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I guess there is a way/condition to get them removed | 12:37 |
| Jucato | speaking of adept batch: bug 129186 | 12:38 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 129186 in adept "language-selector-qt false success notification" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129186 | 12:38 |
| Jucato | comment from mvo: "It looks like adept_batch does not return a error code if the install was not successfull," | 12:38 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: works perfectly! :) | 12:44 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Kub 64alt and 32alt both work fine :) | 12:44 |
| Riddell | davmor2: excellent! | 12:46 |
| Jucato | jpatrick: seen the kubuntu-devel list? | 12:46 |
| Jucato | jpatrick: moin btw :P | 12:47 |
| Jucato | and bye too :) | 12:47 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: searching for a package in apt:/ and clicking on Install also works! :D | 12:47 |
| claydoh | Jucato, you mean the app-naming-argument list? ;) | 12:49 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Np | 12:49 |
| Jucato | claydoh: hm? | 12:49 |
| claydoh | oops wrong list anyway nm | 12:50 |
| * Jucato blinks | 12:50 | |
| claydoh | ignore me | 12:50 |
| claydoh | really | 12:50 |
| Jucato | /ignore claydoh | 12:50 |
| Jucato | ooops :D | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: yeah I also added this :) | 12:50 |
| Jucato | claydoh: how's your knee? :) | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: fancy helping in making the UI better ? | 12:51 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: I do have one suggestion if it's possible :) | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: kio-apt html code is ugly as hell | 12:51 |
| claydoh | ok, the original pain is gone! | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: please ask | 12:51 |
| Jucato | it's written in HTML? | 12:51 |
| claydoh | but still a bit sore | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: well the output is html of course | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: and it's ugly... | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | not the code, the UI | 12:51 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: when you type apt://yakuake, you're just given a blank page to stare at (or the current page in Konqueror).. it would probably be good to show the page for yakuake | 12:52 |
| Jucato | claydoh: oh I hope that goes away soon too | 12:52 |
| claydoh | it will im sure, and thanks :) | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: yeah that's something I have to change | 12:56 |
| mhb | good afternoon | 12:57 |
| jjesse | good afternoon | 12:57 |
| Jucato | afternoon good :) | 12:57 |
| jpatrick | good afternoon | 12:58 |
| Jucato | wb jpatrick | 12:58 |
| Jucato | <Jucato> jpatrick: seen the kubuntu-devel list? | 12:59 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: not yet | 13:00 |
| Jucato | jpatrick: anyway someone was interested in working on Katapult for KDE 4. told him to talk to you here | 13:00 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: well, I was | 13:01 |
| Jucato | then sebas added that ruphy might have something that looks like katapult but uses kde4's runners (which was supposed to be the "deal" between Mz and aseigo) | 13:01 |
| Jucato | jpatrick: busy bird you :) | 13:02 |
| sebas | Jucato: It *is* krunner | 13:03 |
| Jucato | sebas: oh... | 13:04 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: for some reason Katapult broke with cmake | 13:04 |
| * Jucato thinks that wasn't the original plan.. but... anyway... | 13:04 | |
| sebas | I don't know the original plan, that's just what I saw coming by. | 13:07 |
| jpatrick | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/katapult/+spec/krunner | 13:07 |
| Jucato | sebas: Mez and aseigo were the ones that talked... I just watched :D | 13:08 |
| Mez | Jucato, ? | 13:08 |
| sebas | The blueprint isn't exactly verbose | 13:09 |
| Jucato | Mez: you're talk with aseigo about katapult. remember? | 13:09 |
| Mez | *shrugs* thats cause Aaron and I have different POV's regarding it. | 13:09 |
| Mez | Jucato, yes, and I also talked to him after that in person. | 13:09 |
| Jucato | oh | 13:09 |
| Mez | I'm unsure whether it should use runners or not ... It's still something I'm mulling over. but for now - I'd say not - as I agree with Aaron, while it'd be nice for it to use the runners, they're not what katapult is about, katapult and krunner are different concepts. | 13:10 |
| Mez | (to the untrained eye) | 13:11 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: could you raise the priority of the kde4 packages in gutsy-backports? | 13:20 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: which packages? | 13:20 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: kde4libs kdepimlibs kdebase-runtime kdebase-kde4 kdebase-workspace | 13:21 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: kdeadmin-kde4 kdeartwork-kde4 kdebindings-kde4 kdeedu-kde4 kdegames-kde4 kdegraphics-kde4 kdemultimedia-kde4 kdenetwork-kde4 kdesdk-kde4 kdetoys-kde4 kdeutils-kde4 kdewebdev-kde4 | 13:22 |
| jpatrick | *-kde4 | 13:22 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: is there any point? | 13:22 |
| Hobbsee | there's only kde stuff in backports anyway | 13:23 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: well yes, so they actually get built | 13:23 |
| Riddell | backports is on the same buildds as the rest of the archive | 13:23 |
| Hobbsee | before all the hardy stuff? | 13:23 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: yes, we have more gutsy users and I need to make the gutsy remastered CD | 13:24 |
| Hobbsee | mm, fair enough | 13:24 |
| jpatrick | yuriy: mate, I found out how to leave irssi running in the background | 13:24 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: screen? | 13:24 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: yeah that, he was asking days ago | 13:25 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: should just shove terranova onto normal builds :) | 13:25 |
| Hobbsee | no live cds being built atm anyway | 13:25 |
| mhb | jpatrick: you (two) could just ask anyone of us who is always online :o) | 13:26 |
| jpatrick | mhb: he did ;) | 13:26 |
| Jucato | hm... I think kpackage-kde4 needs Smart to be a depends or recommends... | 13:30 |
| Jucato | or recommends... bah nvm... | 13:30 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: could you add the meeting in the topic to fridge | 13:37 |
| Jucato | oh great.. I can't make it to this meeting too.. and I missed the last one :( | 13:38 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: I'll write the minutes | 13:38 |
| Jucato | jpatrick: thank you! :) | 13:38 |
| jpatrick | always do now | 13:38 |
| Jucato | yeah I noticed :) | 13:38 |
| Jucato | of course nothing beats actually being there :( | 13:38 |
| mhb | erm | 13:41 |
| mhb | what day is twelvend? | 13:42 |
| Riddell | saturday | 13:42 |
| Jucato | katurday | 13:42 |
| === mhb changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | Next meeting: 12th January 11:00 | Please test candidate CDs http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | ||
| mhb | good | 13:44 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: did you up those backport build priorities? seems low at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1/+build/488203 | 13:46 |
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| Hobbsee | oh, i only did the second lot sorry | 13:47 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: some of these versions look old | 13:56 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: like what? | 14:04 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: kdebase-workspace, for one | 14:05 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1 | 14:06 |
| Riddell | what are you seeing? | 14:06 |
| Hobbsee | Source version: 3.94.0-0ubuntu2 | 14:06 |
| Hobbsee | sparc: Successfully built | 14:06 |
| Hobbsee | powerpc: Successfully built | 14:07 |
| Hobbsee | lpia: Successfully built | 14:07 |
| Hobbsee | ia64: Successfully built | 14:07 |
| Hobbsee | i386: Successfully built | 14:07 |
| Hobbsee | amd64: Successfully built | 14:07 |
| Hobbsee | it might just be a bug in the script or something, to do with backports. i'm not sure | 14:07 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: yeah, that's release not backports | 14:07 |
| Hobbsee | it was doing some of backports, at least | 14:07 |
| mhb | could I ask about the state of the latest KDE4 packages in Hardy? Are they built yet? | 14:11 |
| Hobbsee | some, it apperas | 14:11 |
| Riddell | mhb: they seem to be mostly built, but kdebase* hasn't hit the archive yet | 14:12 |
| mhb | okies, I'll wait | 14:13 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: so did you manage to pimp the priority of any of them? | 14:22 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: need to wait on libs to compile first | 14:35 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: we have versioned build-deps for that | 14:35 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: sure, but lp will still take sweet time in deciding which to build first | 14:36 |
| Hobbsee | and isn't overly intelligent about that | 14:36 |
| Hobbsee | (and dumps the priority each time for depwaiting, it appears) | 14:36 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: hmm, but won't you be going to bed at some point? | 14:36 |
| Hobbsee | yeah. like, soon | 14:37 |
| Hobbsee | pitti and that are around, though | 14:37 |
| Riddell | they tend not to be so responsive to the needs of a prompt kde 4.0 release | 14:37 |
| Hobbsee | mmm | 14:39 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, it appears to be only finding 3.94. sih. | 14:40 |
| * Hobbsee ponders the thought of reprio'ing that all by hand. | 14:42 | |
| * Hobbsee reprio's kde4libs and pimlibs | 14:44 | |
| Riddell | if that's what it takes to get 4.0 done in time.. | 14:44 |
| * Hobbsee looks at the depwaited list | 14:47 | |
| Hobbsee | argh. | 14:47 |
| yuriy | jpatrick: i use irssi with screen all the time. i was saying it'd be cool to be able to do it with konversation | 14:48 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy++ | 14:49 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: besides, i thought it was released on the 8th | 14:50 |
| Hobbsee | or 9th | 14:50 |
| Hobbsee | like, euro time | 14:51 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: tomorrow european morning | 14:51 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: define tomorrow. | 14:53 |
| Riddell | friday 11th | 14:53 |
| Hobbsee | right | 14:54 |
| Riddell | so we need packages compiled in time for me to make a live CD | 14:54 |
| Hobbsee | when do you want to make your live cd? | 14:54 |
| Riddell | asap | 14:54 |
| Hobbsee | no time like the present, or anything... | 14:55 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: pitti's happy to proxy for you | 14:57 |
| kwwii | nixternal: ping? | 15:02 |
| Hobbsee | stdin: ping | 15:08 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Given your interest in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I thought you might find this: http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/edibleeyes humorous. You can build your own. | 15:09 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: ROFL! | 15:10 |
| Jucato | wth? O.o | 15:11 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: any clue on that slot problem I was having? | 15:39 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: well, no... must have forgotten about it | 15:40 |
| mhb | do I have the code that's problematic? | 15:41 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah, I think I sent it to you | 15:41 |
| mhb | do you remember the topic, email address or something I can search it with? | 15:42 |
| nosrednaekim | try desktop effects or compiz | 15:42 |
| mhb | gmail searching sucks, it just doesn't find it :o) | 15:42 |
| mhb | ah, here it is | 15:42 |
| nosrednaekim | "desktop effects config file" was the name | 15:43 |
| nosrednaekim | though that really doesn't fit the real reason, forget why I called it that <_< | 15:43 |
| nosrednaekim | and the problem is that the Signal for the "apply button" (accepted()) never gets sent/recieved | 15:46 |
| mhb | wicked | 15:47 |
| mhb | must be a PyQt4 problem | 15:47 |
| mhb | the API is clear | 15:48 |
| mhb | connect(buttonBox, SIGNAL(accepted()), this, SLOT(accept())); | 15:48 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah. | 15:48 |
| nosrednaekim | I had this problem before with pyqt4 (slot not connecting) but I wasn't sure if it was a problem with my coding. | 15:49 |
| mhb | I guess join pyqt@riverbankcomputing.com and report that | 15:49 |
| mhb | as a workaround, I guess define a new button for "apply" with a custom connect | 15:50 |
| nosrednaekim | ok, and get rid of the original button box? | 15:51 |
| mhb | sure, why not | 15:51 |
| nosrednaekim | ok, will do. Thanks for looking at that, always nice to know its not just you :) | 15:53 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: ummm, one thing more i'm going to bother you about :) do you have the original qt4 .ui file? | 15:58 |
| mhb | original as in? | 16:03 |
| * Jucato read that as "original sin" | 16:03 | |
| nosrednaekim | as in before it was converted to python | 16:04 |
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| mhb | not in data/ ? | 16:05 |
| mhb | kind of strange that it isn't there, cause it was in that tarball, you know | 16:05 |
| nosrednaekim | really? | 16:10 |
| mhb | yes | 16:10 |
| mhb | DesktopEffectsQt4Dialog.ui | 16:10 |
| mhb | in data/ | 16:10 |
| nosrednaekim | ah, yes, thank you. sorry.. | 16:11 |
| mhb | no problem at all | 16:11 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Are you doing a Kde4 cd for release? If so does it need testing? | 16:12 |
| Riddell | davmor2: yes, should do, it will need testing although I havn't started so it won't be available for some hours | 16:13 |
| bobesponja | hi | 16:14 |
| bobesponja | is it normal that flash doesn't work with konqueror from KDE4.0? | 16:14 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: email me a link we it's up won't take long to dl it. I'll test 64bit and 32 for you okay :) | 16:15 |
| Riddell | it'll be 32 bit only | 16:16 |
| Riddell | bobesponja: current flash doesn't work with any konqueror | 16:16 |
| bobesponja | Riddell: but it works with my kde 3.5 session and doesn't with my kde4 one, I'm not using current flash I'm using the one kubuntu installs for me | 16:17 |
| ScottK | bobesponja: It won't once you update to the current Flash from Adobe | 16:18 |
| ScottK | Konqueror isn't a supported platform. | 16:18 |
| yuriy | so i installed the 4.0.0 packages from ppa, and this time kdm-kde4 came up when i booted | 16:18 |
| bobesponja | ScottK: ok, but as it works with the konqueror 3.5 it should work with 4.0 right? | 16:18 |
| Riddell | yuriy: impressive | 16:18 |
| Riddell | yuriy: does it work? | 16:18 |
| yuriy | haven't logged in yet | 16:19 |
| bobesponja | Riddell: I'm using ppa right now and it works great, full session | 16:19 |
| ScottK | bobesponja: Since it's unsupported by the vendor and it's proprietary software available as binary only, I'd say be glad for whatever working you get. | 16:19 |
| yuriy | but first problem is: it's showing ALL users in the user list | 16:19 |
| Riddell | bobesponja: 4.0.0? | 16:20 |
| nosrednaekim | 4.0.0 is out? | 16:20 |
| yuriy | 2nd sort-of problem: plain debian theme, plain blue background | 16:20 |
| bobesponja | Riddell: latest packages I could grab | 16:20 |
| Riddell | nosrednaekim: ssh (some bits have compiled) | 16:21 |
| nosrednaekim | ok :) | 16:21 |
| yuriy | hmm.. "a critical error occured, please look at kdm's logs for more info" | 16:21 |
| * yuriy wonders which log that is | 16:22 | |
| yuriy | same error logging into kde3 or 4 | 16:23 |
| Riddell | wow, that KDE 4 login sound is.. brief | 16:25 |
| Jucato | very :) | 16:26 |
| nosrednaekim | yuriy: .xsession-errors possibly | 16:27 |
| yuriy | tried that, it's empty | 16:28 |
| yuriy | and /var/log/kdm.log just has X stuff | 16:28 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 16:31 |
| yuriy | hmm... | 16:33 |
| Jucato | hi bddebian | 16:33 |
| bddebian | Hi Jucato | 16:34 |
| * yuriy punts for now and starts kdm-kde3 | 16:38 | |
| yuriy | whoa plasma actually took the resolution change well. woohoo (now we'll just have to see about kwin...) | 16:40 |
| hunger | .:q | 16:54 |
| mhb | hmm, I guess we all need vim shortcuts for irssi :o) | 16:54 |
| mhb | hunger: it's good to see another enlightened soul | 16:55 |
| nosrednaekim | haha | 16:55 |
| iRon | i thought first it was kind of some new smiley :-D | 16:56 |
| hunger | oh, sorry, wrong window:-) | 16:56 |
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| yuriy | ok so all the "kde 4" shortcuts don't work in a full kde4 session, the standard shortcuts launch the kde4 applications | 16:57 |
| yuriy | (or is that just my config?) | 16:57 |
| yuriy | is there something we can do about that and still keep the shortcuts for in the kde 3 session? | 16:58 |
| Riddell | yuriy: the kde 4 menu entries work but the kde 3 ones will launch the kde 4 app if it's installed because of the $PATH | 16:59 |
| Riddell | yuriy: so question is if a kde 4 session runs without $PATH set to /usrlib/kde4.., I suspect it won't | 16:59 |
| yuriy | hmm the kde 4 entries don't work for me, except for konsole o_O | 16:59 |
| yuriy | oh nvm i think it's just konqueror and system settings that don't work, dolphin works | 17:00 |
| fdoving | Riddell: won't the environment need to change between sessions anyway? - how will the config-files be handled? | 17:01 |
| Riddell | fdoving: that's set by a patch to kdelibs | 17:02 |
| Riddell | yuriy: you may have old versions of the packages | 17:02 |
| Riddell | yuriy: what's your version of konqueror-kde4? | 17:03 |
| fdoving | Riddell: k. good. | 17:03 |
| fdoving | Riddell: do you patch it to look for $KDE4HOME or similar instead of $KDEHOME? | 17:03 |
| yuriy | oh indeed 3.98... i thought that got upgraded. my bad. | 17:03 |
| Riddell | fdoving: no, just set to ~/.kde4 | 17:03 |
| fdoving | Riddell: that won't work. because you will be able to start for example kde3 appps from within a kde4 session. | 17:04 |
| yuriy | fdoving: isn't that what we want? | 17:05 |
| Riddell | fdoving: ? we want to be able to do that | 17:05 |
| fdoving | Riddell: once you start some kde3 app kded and all from kde3 will be started, with the wrong $KDEHOME. | 17:05 |
| Riddell | fdoving: no, they use ~/.kde | 17:05 |
| fdoving | Riddell: not with $KDEHOME set to ~/.kde4 | 17:05 |
| fdoving | from within a kde4 session. | 17:05 |
| Riddell | fdoving: well no, so don't set KDEHOME | 17:06 |
| fdoving | Riddell: it will be set if it's unset. won't it? i belive startkde fixes that. | 17:07 |
| Riddell | no | 17:07 |
| Jucato | patched kdelibs right? | 17:07 |
| Riddell | Jucato: yes | 17:07 |
| Jucato | the question is the -kde4 wrapper scripts... don't they set $KDEHOME to ~/.kde4? or only for that particular app? | 17:08 |
| Riddell | well they only run that app | 17:09 |
| Jucato | ok... | 17:09 |
| Riddell | but they shouldn't need $KDEHOME set in there, I just havn't had time to test it without them | 17:09 |
| Jucato | ah :) | 17:10 |
| Jucato | oh btw, kpackage-kde4 needs to depend on smartpm-core | 17:10 |
| fdoving | it would be a one-liner to make kde4 look for $KDE4HOME before $KDEHOME, and use it if it exists. it's the same file you change to make ~/.kde4 the default. | 17:10 |
| Jucato | - localKdeDir = QDir::homePath() + "/.kde/"; | 17:10 |
| Jucato | + localKdeDir = QDir::homePath() + "/.kde4/"; | 17:10 |
| yuriy | hmm so plasma doesn't seem to deal well with resolution changes when desktop effects are on.. | 17:10 |
| Jucato | (kdelibs4 patch to kdecore/kernel/kstandarddirs.cpp) | 17:11 |
| yuriy | (or i geuss it's kwin) | 17:11 |
| nosrednaekim | ok, for the desktop-effects wizard, when we enable compiz when it has been previously disabled, should we automatically run "compiz --replace" or should we wait for next login? | 17:16 |
| * Jucato wonders why kpackage suddenly started to depend on smartpm... | 17:19 | |
| nosrednaekim | it uses smart | 17:20 |
| Jucato | yeah.. it seems it started to in kde4... but it isn't a depends yet in our package so... :) | 17:22 |
| * buz reports success in loading and playing with 4.0 | 17:29 | |
| buz | on a separate account anyway | 17:30 |
| Riddell | \sh: can you upload to main these days? | 17:32 |
| \sh | Riddell: nope :) | 17:34 |
| Riddell | \sh: so do you have libgif transition patches that need uploding or is someone doing that? | 17:34 |
| \sh | Riddell: I applied for motuship yesterday again..I don't know when I will apply for main again :) | 17:34 |
| \sh | Riddell: sure | 17:34 |
| \sh | Riddell: there are patches ready from me.... | 17:35 |
| \sh | Riddell: if you or someone else has time, please upload...I need to fix two more packages...but one is waiting for a fixed gdal, and simage needs a fix inside aclocal.m4 | 17:35 |
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| nixternal | kwwii: pong | 17:45 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I will fix the copyrights with an update...don't how the heck I missed that one...I wonder if I copied and pasted the wrong one maybe | 17:46 |
| nixternal | adding the meeting to the fridge | 17:47 |
| kwwii | nixternal: no worries, problem solved | 17:49 |
| nixternal | k | 17:49 |
| \sh | kwwii: what are you doing on January 26th? | 17:52 |
| kwwii | \sh: I'll be coming home from London, why? | 17:53 |
| \sh | kwwii: hmm...there is a birthday party happening in karlsruhe ;) | 17:55 |
| \sh | kwwii: I thought to invite some people from the OSS universe ;) | 17:55 |
| kwwii | hehe, wish I could be there but I don't fly into Nuernberg until the evening and karlsruhe is a couple of hours away | 17:55 |
| kwwii | early happy birthday wishes though ;-) | 17:56 |
| \sh | kwwii: right ;) | 17:56 |
| \sh | kwwii: bah, wish me that tomorrow morning ;) | 17:56 |
| kwwii | been years since I had a birthday party, I should do that again this year | 17:57 |
| kwwii | if anyone is interested, we are having an art team meeting in a couple of minutes in #ubuntu-meeting | 17:57 |
| nosrednaekim | kwwii: whats disccussed in one of the,? | 17:58 |
| nosrednaekim | *them | 17:58 |
| kwwii | nosrednaekim: art stuff :p | 17:58 |
| nosrednaekim | eh, I'll see what its like :) | 17:58 |
| kwwii | there are not any agenda items for kubuntu though | 17:58 |
| buz | ok so the kde4.0 debs work,now on to figure out how to get my settings back | 18:03 |
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| nosrednaekim | can you go straight from rc2 to final.... or do you have to uninstall rc2 first? | 18:19 |
| Riddell | nosrednaekim: I think there will be some overlapping icon files | 18:20 |
| Riddell | nothing --force-overwrite can't handle | 18:20 |
| nosrednaekim | ok | 18:21 |
| hunger | Is there a meta package to install all of kde4? | 18:22 |
| hunger | kubuntu-desktop-kde4 or something? | 18:22 |
| jpatrick | "kde4" in hardy | 18:22 |
| Riddell | kde4-core for the base | 18:23 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell: for activating desktop effects, you we want to run "compiz --replace" as soon as they activate them in the GUI or should we wait until next login? | 18:24 |
| hunger | kdebase-bin-kde3 conflicts with kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4. Is that ok? | 18:24 |
| Riddell | nosrednaekim: having them immediately would be best | 18:25 |
| Riddell | hunger: it's intended, that's the files that can be swapped for each other | 18:25 |
| nosrednaekim | ok | 18:25 |
| bigon | is it possible to tell cmake to look for kde4 in /usr/lib/kde4 and tell him to install in an other path? | 18:29 |
| Riddell | bigon: yes, if there's a way to do that | 18:29 |
| Riddell | oh, you're asking if there is | 18:29 |
| bigon | and how to do that | 18:29 |
| Riddell | bigon: try -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4 ? | 18:30 |
| bigon | yeah but it will install everithing in /usr/lib/kde4 | 18:31 |
| bigon | what I whould like is ie: -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt and tell cmake that kde4 is in /usr/lib/kde4 | 18:32 |
| nixternal | Riddell: if you ever sneak into the Ubuntu offices, snag me one of those messanger bags, those are pretty sharp :p | 18:32 |
| nixternal | would be nice if they offered Kubuntu items in the Ubuntu store...granted it is kind of high for me to purchase here in the US, but I would purchase a good Kubuntu shirt | 18:33 |
| Riddell | nixternal: messanger bags? Ubuntu offices? | 18:33 |
| davmor2 | just hand them out Riddell Why don't you :D | 18:33 |
| nixternal | Canonical offices, sorry about that...ya, they have messanger bags in the Ubuntu store...matt revell just linked to them in his recent LP Logo post | 18:33 |
| Riddell | bigon: possibly you can then set -DLIB_INSTALL_DIR=/opt -DBIN_INSTALL_DIR=/opt, I don't know | 18:34 |
| buz | hmm kopete-kde4 complains about missing QCA TLS plugin | 18:35 |
| Riddell | buz: try installing libqca2-plugin-ossl | 18:36 |
| buz | No candidate version found for libqca2-plugin-ossl | 18:37 |
| buz | aptitude search only finds libqca2 itself, no plugins for it | 18:37 |
| buz | (thats on gutsy) | 18:37 |
| Riddell | ah, maybe it needs backported then | 18:37 |
| buz | should probably be a dependency of kopete-kde4, also | 18:39 |
| yuriy | hmm kopete-kde4 works for me on gutsy | 18:39 |
| buz | yuriy: try using tls to connect to a jabber server | 18:39 |
| buz | without tls, it works fine | 18:39 |
| yuriy | ah ok | 18:39 |
| buz | well except for that fact that i cant really figure out where it dug out that old history :P | 18:39 |
| Riddell | what languages do we want on this live CD? | 18:42 |
| davmor2 | english | 18:42 |
| Riddell | good idea | 18:42 |
| nosrednaekim | I think British would be a good idea | 18:43 |
| Riddell | got that | 18:44 |
| * ScottK suspects German would be popular for a KDE Live CD ;-) | 18:45 | |
| Riddell | 20MB of german, those are some long words they have | 18:45 |
| yuriy | spanish, french.. are we looking beyond the obvious ones or is it really restricted? | 18:46 |
| nosrednaekim | Chech(sp?) for mhb :) | 18:46 |
| xRaich[o]2x | hmmm just testing kopete-kde4. i can't set up any accounts | 18:46 |
| buz | xRaich[o]2x: what type of account? | 18:47 |
| buz | clicking on add account works for me | 18:47 |
| xRaich[o]2x | any. there are none to choose from. no icq no xmpp no whatever | 18:47 |
| buz | thats weird | 18:48 |
| buz | i see them all | 18:48 |
| xRaich[o]2x | worked fine on rc2 | 18:48 |
| xRaich[o]2x | hmm | 18:48 |
| xRaich[o]2x | strange | 18:48 |
| buz | i did purge all kde4 stuff before i installed 4.0 | 18:48 |
| xRaich[o]2x | nope | 18:48 |
| xRaich[o]2x | i didn't | 18:48 |
| buz | i figured that was probably helping, seeing just how rc2 would not work without it :P | 18:49 |
| xRaich[o]2x | so purging does the trick? | 18:51 |
| buz | could do | 18:51 |
| buz | mhh most kde3 apps simply crash upon starting | 18:51 |
| buz | which is pretty bad :P | 18:51 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: did you manage to integrate qyoto into kdebindings? | 18:52 |
| xRaich[o]2x | still not possible to set up any accounts | 18:53 |
| buz | xRaich[o]2x: what happens when you try to start kopete-kde3? | 18:53 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: kde4libs 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1 finished building 3h ago, does it always take that loong until a package hits the archive? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1/+build/488203 | 18:54 |
| xRaich[o]2x | buz: works finde | 18:54 |
| xRaich[o]2x | fine | 18:54 |
| buz | hmmm crashes for me | 18:54 |
| buz | as do a lot of other kde3 apps | 18:54 |
| buz | amarok works, but konqui3 and akregator do not | 18:54 |
| xRaich[o]2x | works for me | 18:55 |
| buz | weird | 18:56 |
| xRaich[o]2x | everything works flawless just kopete is acting weird but that doesn't really surprise me ^^ | 18:57 |
| buz | well in my case kopete is loading weird history files :P | 18:57 |
| buz | but other than that it works | 18:57 |
| buz | and i occasionally get errors like klauncher could not launch "path" but the app comes up fine | 18:57 |
| xRaich[o]2x | yep i get those too | 18:57 |
| buz | and very weird, lyx gets an entry in the taskbar, but its completely empty, no icon, no name | 18:58 |
| buz | ah now its there | 18:59 |
| buz | hmm now akregator came up without any hitch | 19:02 |
| buz | xRaich[o]2x: any chance you see the could not launch messages when you hit ctrl-enter but not with enter? | 19:10 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: yea | 19:10 |
| xRaich[o]2x | buz: i didn't really get the message anymore | 19:13 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: I see kdebindings is moving forward in debian, might be an idea to try and get that into debian | 19:13 |
| Riddell | nixternal: fancy knocking up a quick alpha 3 page? I can't actually think of anything to put in it though | 19:14 |
| Basher_ | Get paid to click on website-link. i make 90$ a week doing nothing rofl, check out http://bux.to/?r=basher11 | 19:14 |
| yuriy | hardy alpha 3? isn't KDE 4.0.0 FINAL something to put in there? | 19:15 |
| xRaich[o]2x | hrmm no usable output when starting kopete in konsole | 19:15 |
| Riddell | yuriy: yes, it would be. is that you volunteering to make the page? :) | 19:15 |
| * yuriy isn't very good at marketing speak, and isn't using hardy. but ok, where do I start? | 19:17 | |
| Riddell | yuriy: copy the Alpha 2 page | 19:17 |
| Riddell | http://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha2/Kubuntu | 19:17 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: does that mean your getting ready? | 19:19 |
| nixternal | Riddell: sure | 19:19 |
| Riddell | davmor2: dunno actually, I've not heard anything, about it's due today | 19:19 |
| nixternal | Riddell: been a while since you had to op up and boot someone ey :) | 19:20 |
| jpatrick | *!*n=Basher@88.197.232.* | 19:20 |
| jpatrick | if he/she/it resets their router they can come back | 19:21 |
| nixternal | yuriy: you got the release notes then? | 19:22 |
| * nixternal can go back to doing nothing | 19:22 | |
| davmor2 | Riddell: no it's in two days according to the counter I just wondered if the site prep meant you were getting ready :) | 19:22 |
| yuriy | hehe Note to bloggers: experimental packages do not indicate taking a clear position. | 19:23 |
| yuriy | don't really know what i'm doing... | 19:24 |
| yuriy | nixternal: all yours | 19:24 |
| Riddell | davmor2: oh, KDE 4? that's tomorrow | 19:24 |
| davmor2 | so testing soon right? | 19:25 |
| Riddell | davmor2: for some reason they never made a 1 day to go counter image so it's stuck on 2 | 19:25 |
| Riddell | davmor2: there's packages in hardy and gutsy ppa for testing | 19:25 |
| Riddell | davmor2: I'm making the live CD now | 19:25 |
| yuriy | oh that's what's going on with that picture | 19:25 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: okay cool so what about 2 hoursish? | 19:26 |
| === bigon is now known as bigon` | ||
| Riddell | davmor2: about that | 19:26 |
| davmor2 | righto np | 19:26 |
| * yuriy makes his own image | 19:36 | |
| === uga is now known as uga|away | ||
| nosrednaekim | ok, it starts up compiz when you hit apply :), now, is it good behavior for the app to close when you hit apply? | 19:53 |
| yuriy | why does it close? | 19:55 |
| nosrednaekim | cause I told it to ;) | 19:56 |
| Riddell | nosrednaekim: no, don't close it | 19:57 |
| Riddell | close on OK | 19:57 |
| nosrednaekim | ok, i'll add an ok button, thanks. | 19:58 |
| Riddell | anyone else have random broken italics in places, such as planet.kde.org in konqueror-kde4? | 20:00 |
| hunger | installing kde4 will remove libgif in favour for libungif. Is that intended? | 20:04 |
| jpatrick | I think it's the transition | 20:05 |
| hunger | jpatrick: Wasen't the transition from libungif to libgif once the patent ran out? | 20:05 |
| jpatrick | yeah, I think that was it | 20:05 |
| hunger | Dunno. I had to install libgif since I could not find libungif-dev when building kde4 myself. | 20:06 |
| hunger | Hmmm... actually it is memcoder that forces libungif, not kde4. | 20:08 |
| Riddell | mplayer failed to compile I think | 20:10 |
| Riddell | for an unrelated issue | 20:10 |
| hunger | Yeap, looks like. | 20:10 |
| yuriy | was alpha 2 before the non-LTS announdement? | 20:31 |
| iRon | yuriy: why you asking? | 20:49 |
| yuriy | something should probably be written about it in the release notes | 20:52 |
| iRon | but it is just an alpha.. who cares about LTS in alpha? | 20:53 |
| yuriy | well the release notes are basically news and progress of hardy between this alpha and the last one | 20:54 |
| iRon | oh i see | 20:55 |
| yuriy | alpha 2 release notes say: The focus for 8.04 for the Kubuntu community will be stability | 20:56 |
| yuriy | which isn't quite accurate anymore | 20:56 |
| jpatrick | yuriy: I think it was before.. | 20:56 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: should I add KDE4 gutsy-backports to #kubuntu topic? | 20:58 |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away | ||
| Riddell | jpatrick: not yet, they don't exist until tomorrow morning | 21:11 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: although backports do need testing, I've been using the ppa so far | 21:12 |
| Riddell | not sure what's compiled in backports currently | 21:12 |
| mhb | hello folks | 21:12 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: right | 21:12 |
| mhb | is there a KDE4 countdown? | 21:12 |
| Riddell | mhb: that gets pretty dangerous, things could still go wrong | 21:13 |
| mhb | ah | 21:14 |
| mhb | so no countdown | 21:14 |
| Riddell | 3:38:56 ETA | 21:14 |
| Riddell | is my current one for uploading the iso though :) | 21:14 |
| Riddell | need more upstream... | 21:14 |
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| mhb | Riddell: I've thought in the bus about doing a second phase to the Kubuntu Tutorials Day | 21:16 |
| emonkey | good evening | 21:16 |
| jpatrick | good evening emonkey | 21:17 |
| emonkey | Does anybody know something about a announcement about kde4 which we can translate for kubuntu-de.org ? | 21:17 |
| mhb | like Novell had a hack week, we could do a hack session too, perhaps 24 hours so we'd be a bit different... what's your opinion? | 21:17 |
| mhb | 24 hours of intense hacking on bugs & miniprojects which would the users and the participating people suggest | 21:18 |
| emonkey | We've got already prewritten a news about it, but we don't know anything about gutsy and KDE4 | 21:18 |
| jpatrick | emonkey: in gutsy-backports tomorrow hopefully :) | 21:19 |
| mhb | emonkey: what would you like to know? | 21:19 |
| mhb | emonkey: yes, gutsy backports | 21:19 |
| mhb | also in a PPA I presume | 21:19 |
| mhb | there will be a KDE4 CD, too | 21:19 |
| mhb | Riddell's baby | 21:19 |
| mhb | (I mean Gutsy CD) | 21:20 |
| emonkey | mhb, It would be cool to know if there will be a news about the packages on kubuntu.org which we can translate nad integrate in our prewritten news about the release of KDE 4 | 21:20 |
| mhb | emonkey: ah, marketing talk ... I don't do that :o) | 21:21 |
| emonkey | :) ok, but maybe you know who I can ask about it? | 21:21 |
| mhb | Riddell or nixternal should know | 21:22 |
| emonkey | ok, thank you, I'll ask them if I see them being active here. :) | 21:22 |
| Riddell | emonkey: hi, I'll be making the 4.0 announce page shortly so you can translate that | 21:23 |
| Riddell | it's mostly technical rather than marketing | 21:23 |
| mhb | Riddell: what do you think about my suggestion? | 21:24 |
| Riddell | mhb: hmm, there's only so much you can get done in 24 hours | 21:24 |
| * txwikinger thinks about starting an petition to th eprime minister for a 48h day | 21:25 | |
| jpatrick | mhb: won't we have to teach them all how to do the stuff first? | 21:25 |
| emonkey | Riddell, that's ok, just like the others news about the packages, isn't it? | 21:25 |
| mhb | jpatrick: well, depends on what you'd like to achieve | 21:25 |
| mhb | jpatrick: I think it would be more of an incentive to get the medium contributers back again | 21:26 |
| mhb | open source development suffers from the fact that there's nobody looking over your shoulder, no deadline etc. | 21:26 |
| mhb | in 24 hours, you can achieve as much as you want to | 21:27 |
| jpatrick | right | 21:27 |
| mhb | let's say I fix 10 bugs in KDE applications and port gdebi-kde to KDE4. | 21:27 |
| mhb | it's not much, but it's more than some people will do in the whole release cycle | 21:28 |
| mhb | such a hack session would be about setting your goal and not letting go until it's finished | 21:28 |
| mhb | not slacking off | 21:28 |
| mhb | that's my vision | 21:28 |
| mikkael | are there translations ofr kde4 yet available ? | 21:28 |
| mhb | if you have the idea, I can do a personal one, no problem. | 21:29 |
| mhb | err, s/have/hate | 21:29 |
| jpatrick | mikkael: there is a kde-l10n-de package | 21:29 |
| iRon | mhb: personaly i like your idea.. i starts contributing to project after Kubuntu Tutorials Day.. | 21:29 |
| jpatrick | mhb: I like it :) | 21:29 |
| jpatrick | mikkael: kde-l10n-de | 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu2~gutsy1~ppa1 | http://ppa.launchpad.net gutsy/main Packages | 21:29 |
| mikkael | jpatrick: thank you | 21:30 |
| jpatrick | mikkael: bitte | 21:30 |
| jjesse_ | msg nickserv identify jes478SE | 21:31 |
| mhb | jpatrick: I'd like people to go and suggest small improvements and bugs I could do/fix, and then making some of em happy | 21:31 |
| jpatrick | jjesse_: change password FAST | 21:31 |
| mhb | :o) | 21:32 |
| emonkey | or you will be ghostet soon :P | 21:32 |
| jjesse_ | awesome | 21:32 |
| jjesse_ | i've done this before :) | 21:32 |
| mhb | jjesse_: smart boy | 21:33 |
| mhb | jjesse_: not irony | 21:33 |
| * stdin wakes up and wonders why it's dark out | 21:33 | |
| jjesse_ | tornado watch here again :) | 21:33 |
| jpatrick | stdin: you've spent to much time watching KDE4 package builds... | 21:34 |
| mhb | jjesse_: you do have separate passwords for irssi and ssh, which makes you a smart boy :o) | 21:34 |
| jjesse_ | mhb yes i do | 21:34 |
| mhb | jjesse_: I know | 21:34 |
| jjesse_ | did you try? | 21:34 |
| mhb | jjesse_: yes, sorry... I was curious. | 21:34 |
| jjesse_ | mhb i understand no problems | 21:34 |
| stdin | jpatrick: then I fell asleep, for ~12 hours | 21:34 |
| stdin | I was only planning on a nap | 21:35 |
| jpatrick | stdin: the dream is reality... | 21:36 |
| mikkael | jpatrick: will those language packs work on hardy too ? | 21:36 |
| jpatrick | mikkael: the language packs are in hardy | 21:36 |
| mikkael | https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive gutsy ?! | 21:37 |
| jpatrick | mikkael: yeah and uploaded to hardy | 21:37 |
| stdin | mikkael: and in the normal archive | 21:37 |
| * buz is stumped | 21:37 | |
| buz | composited desktop running for 2hours without any hitch | 21:38 |
| xRaich[o]2x | hmm i can't get the updated kdemultimedia packages from ppa | 21:39 |
| xRaich[o]2x | buz: composited desktop ran for more than 10 hours here ;) | 21:39 |
| jpatrick | xRaich[o]2x: give stdin a break ;) | 21:39 |
| xRaich[o]2x | jpatrick: no refuse to do that ^^ | 21:40 |
| jpatrick | xRaich[o]2x: joking ;) | 21:40 |
| xRaich[o]2x | no seriously. where can i file bugs for the ppa packages | 21:40 |
| xRaich[o]2x | kopete is acting weird | 21:40 |
| stdin | xRaich[o]2x: why can't you? | 21:40 |
| xRaich[o]2x | since it's a weird piece of software | 21:40 |
| xRaich[o]2x | stdin: what can't i do what? | 21:40 |
| xRaich[o]2x | upgrade? | 21:41 |
| stdin | [21:39] <xRaich[o]2x> hmm i can't get the updated kdemultimedia packages from ppa | 21:41 |
| jpatrick | stdin: kdemultimedia-kde4 | 4:3.98.0~svn755919-1ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa2 | http://ppa.launchpad.net gutsy/main Packages | 21:41 |
| stdin | 386 build of kdemultimedia-kde4 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa2 in ubuntu hardy RELEASE Build started 4 hours ago on iridium (xen-i386) and finished 4 hours ago taking 12 minutes | 21:41 |
| jpatrick | hmm, I just updated sources and same.. | 21:42 |
| xRaich[o]2x | i updated a dozen of times. it still doesn't work | 21:42 |
| xRaich[o]2x | dunno why | 21:42 |
| xRaich[o]2x | thought that's weird so i asked | 21:42 |
| xRaich[o]2x | another weird thing is that kopete cannot create any accounts | 21:43 |
| xRaich[o]2x | when i say add account there are no protocols to choose from | 21:44 |
| stdin | wait, no I'm being 1/2 asleep still, "ubuntu hardy RELEASE" is not "ubuntu gutsy RELEASE" | 21:46 |
| xRaich[o]2x | i'm not trying to push you ;) just wanted to know where i can file the bugs for later fixing | 21:47 |
| xRaich[o]2x | you are doing a great work with packaging. i don't mind if it takes longer | 21:48 |
| stdin | for the PPA packages you could either mail the list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com or do it via LP, but it could get confusing which packages are effected, PPA or universe | 21:49 |
| danimo | hi | 21:50 |
| xRaich[o]2x | i guess i'll mail the list. seems less confusing for the devs | 21:51 |
| jpatrick | hi danimo | 21:51 |
| danimo | hi | 21:52 |
| danimo | will KDE 4.0.0 be in backports tomorrow? | 21:52 |
| danimo | or will it just have an extra repo? | 21:52 |
| jpatrick | danimo: yes, hopefully tomorrow (building now) | 21:53 |
| danimo | jpatrick: ah, so not yet | 21:53 |
| jpatrick | danimo: no, but asap, nice cloak btw | 21:53 |
| Tm_T | ? | 21:55 |
| danimo | jpatrick: I'm KDE staff, so not that amazing, but I was curious anyway, since this will be my first non-self-built KDE 4 packages :) | 21:55 |
| jpatrick | Tm_T: ahoy | 21:55 |
| Tm_T | danimo: heh, your cloak is simple | 21:55 |
| danimo | Tm_T: I think in order to get "kde" without the ".developer", you need to be e.V. member or such | 21:56 |
| danimo | that's about it | 21:56 |
| jpatrick | danimo: you can grab them from the PPA if you want | 21:56 |
| danimo | PPA? | 21:57 |
| jpatrick | Personal Package Archive | 21:57 |
| jpatrick | danimo: sudo -s; echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; exit; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-dev | 21:57 |
| * danimo just stumbled across http://games.kde.org/new/ -- wow | 21:57 | |
| Tm_T | danimo: I know | 21:57 |
| Tm_T | danimo: seen mine? | 21:58 |
| jpatrick | haha | 21:58 |
| danimo | Tm_T: what? | 21:58 |
| Tm_T | danimo: my cloak | 21:58 |
| danimo | Tm_T: yeah | 21:58 |
| Tm_T | danimo: yours is simple | 21:59 |
| * danimo has enough to do with that single one affiliation | 21:59 | |
| danimo | (and real-life ones) | 21:59 |
| Tm_T | danimo: oh, just if you knew... ;) | 21:59 |
| * apachelogger notes: kdm-kde4 is totall b0rked, woohoooo | 21:59 | |
| Tm_T | son, hug it | 21:59 |
| apachelogger | nah | 21:59 |
| mhb | woohoo? | 21:59 |
| apachelogger | it's pure crap | 21:59 |
| apachelogger | kicked it from the system | 21:59 |
| yuriy | <noob>how do you enable a cloak? </noob> | 22:00 |
| jpatrick | yuriy: freenode staff | 22:01 |
| apachelogger | depends on the cloak really ;-) | 22:01 |
| jpatrick | yuriy: ask nalioth in #ubuntu-ops for an ubuntu/member one | 22:01 |
| yuriy | is there a kubuntu/member one? | 22:02 |
| jpatrick | no, we use the same ones.. | 22:02 |
| yuriy | aww | 22:02 |
| jpatrick | we should all have: kde/kubuntu/ ones | 22:02 |
| yuriy | lol emonkey | 22:03 |
| * ScottK would need a kubuntu/ubuntu-server/but-definitely-not-gnome cloak then. | 22:04 | |
| emonkey | yuriy, ;) | 22:04 |
| * apachelogger hugs emonkey | 22:07 | |
| * emonkey hugs apachelogger back :) | 22:07 | |
| apachelogger | hm | 22:08 |
| apachelogger | anyone knows why my -kde4 apps have no icons? | 22:08 |
| === yuriy is now known as gamemank | ||
| jpatrick | apachelogger: you're not in KDE4? | 22:09 |
| apachelogger | I am | 22:09 |
| jpatrick | I have no idea then | 22:09 |
| * apachelogger investigates | 22:09 | |
| stdin | apachelogger: you wouldn't be on amd64 would you? | 22:10 |
| apachelogger | nope | 22:10 |
| === gamemank is now known as yuriy | ||
| apachelogger | are the icons supposed to be in hicolor? | 22:10 |
| stdin | ah, bacause amd64 didn't build until recently | 22:11 |
| apachelogger | here is the scope: the desktop files from the PPA actually refer to /usr/lib/kde/share/icons/hicolor for the icons, but they are actually almost all in oxygen | 22:12 |
| apachelogger | this can't be healthy | 22:13 |
| jpatrick | we need oxygen | 22:13 |
| danimo | apachelogger: so upgrading to PPA is not a good idea yet? :) | 22:14 |
| apachelogger | danimo: well, everything works, you just have no icons in kickoff etc. | 22:14 |
| danimo | urgh | 22:14 |
| apachelogger | i.e. for all application references which relay on the .desktop file | 22:15 |
| danimo | do KDE 4 applications have their own $KDEHOME? | 22:15 |
| apachelogger | yes | 22:15 |
| jpatrick | ~/.kde4 | 22:15 |
| danimo | apachelogger: how is that achived? | 22:15 |
| apachelogger | danimo: I think by patch | 22:15 |
| jpatrick | danimo: kdelibs patch | 22:15 |
| danimo | ah, ok | 22:15 |
| danimo | that's cool | 22:16 |
| apachelogger | well | 22:17 |
| apachelogger | this is no good | 22:18 |
| apachelogger | apparently KDE still ships old icons | 22:18 |
| danimo | apachelogger: yes, somehow they (we) do | 22:18 |
| apachelogger | we actually install them for hicolor | 22:18 |
| apachelogger | and by default we use these hicolors | 22:18 |
| danimo | apachelogger: but the iconloader should ultimately default to oxygen | 22:18 |
| apachelogger | well | 22:18 |
| apachelogger | danimo: the paths are static | 22:18 |
| danimo | apachelogger: huh? | 22:19 |
| apachelogger | since everything for kde4 is placed in /usr/lib/kde4 | 22:19 |
| apachelogger | to not cause any conflict with kde3 stuff | 22:19 |
| danimo | apachelogger: ah, ok, so this is an ubuntu magic | 22:19 |
| danimo | apachelogger: I was just going to look it up | 22:19 |
| apachelogger | I wouldn't call it magic since it doesn't work properly ;-) | 22:19 |
| danimo | apachelogger: even magic can go bad | 22:19 |
| apachelogger | then it's not magic IMHO | 22:20 |
| apachelogger | bad trick or something | 22:20 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: yes? | 22:20 |
| apachelogger | ohhhhhhmy | 22:21 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ping | 22:21 |
| seele | What is the difference between being a Kubuntu member and not? | 22:21 |
| apachelogger | I think we should remove +| sed 's,Icon=,Icon=/usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/,' \ | 22:21 |
| danimo | apachelogger: heh | 22:21 |
| apachelogger | though | 22:21 |
| apachelogger | hmmmm | 22:21 |
| * apachelogger tends to think it will not work in KDE3 | 22:22 | |
| danimo | apachelogger: well, no | 22:22 |
| danimo | just replace hicolor by oxygen | 22:22 |
| apachelogger | *head meets table* | 22:22 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 22:22 |
| danimo | otoh... | 22:22 |
| danimo | the icon loader should look for oxygen icons by default | 22:22 |
| apachelogger | danimo: not the kde3 one | 22:22 |
| jpatrick | seele: recognition for contributions I guess | 22:22 |
| danimo | so IF /usr/lib/kde4 is part of KDEDIRS, then it's fine | 22:23 |
| stdin | it is | 22:23 |
| danimo | apachelogger: ah, right | 22:23 |
| apachelogger | stdin: only for kde4 | 22:23 |
| danimo | apachelogger: we want to allow KDE 3 to show icons correctly | 22:23 |
| stdin | apachelogger: KDEDIRS is a kde4 only variable, so yes | 22:23 |
| apachelogger | well | 22:23 |
| apachelogger | we just need to change the debian/rules for -kde4 packages | 22:24 |
| danimo | stdin: that's not true | 22:24 |
| apachelogger | to use oxygen instead of hicolor | 22:24 |
| seele | jpatrick: ok thx | 22:24 |
| apachelogger | since all the app icons should end up there | 22:24 |
| stdin | danimo: kde3 used KDEDIR yes? | 22:24 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: hi | 22:24 |
| apachelogger | Ahoy captain Riddell | 22:24 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: currently the icons for most apps don't work | 22:25 |
| danimo | stdin: no, KDE1 did | 22:25 |
| danimo | stdin: KDEDIRS is recommended since at least KDE 3, if not 2 | 22:25 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: since we use a static icon path to hicolor, though all the icons are in oxygen | 22:25 |
| Riddell | seele: it's mostly symbolic of ones significant contribution, the practical side is that you can get on planet, occationally vote on community council or tech board members and apply to be a MOTU | 22:25 |
| seele | Riddell: ok, thx | 22:25 |
| seele | i think i'm a member, but i didn't know what it meant | 22:26 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: so we need to change the debian/rules to use | sed 's,Icon=,Icon=/usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/oxygen/32x32/apps/,' \ ... in case some app icon doesn't get installed there, we would need to fix it there, but the majority goes to oxygen I think | 22:26 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yes, it's an issue | 22:26 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: most icons should be installed to hicolour but the generic (or sometimes broken ones) aren't | 22:26 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: the idea is to have the oxygen icon show up in kde 3 but of course kde 3 doesn't look in /usr/lib/kde4.. | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | yeah, though right now it doesn't show it for KDE3 nor KDE4 | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | since the files simply don't exist | 22:27 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: it works for some, probably even most, but there's a fair number it's broken for | 22:28 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 22:28 |
| apachelogger | how can this work? | 22:28 |
| Riddell | more clever scripting in debian/rules to make it work out where the icon actually is | 22:29 |
| apachelogger | hm | 22:29 |
| * apachelogger senses a headache :P | 22:29 | |
| === uga|away is now known as uga | ||
| davmor2 | Riddell: is the iso ready? | 22:35 |
| Riddell | davmor2: yes but seems I miscalculated my upstream bandwidth, it'll be another couple of hours yet according to ssh | 22:36 |
| davmor2 | oooooppppssss | 22:36 |
| Riddell | sorry about that | 22:36 |
| davmor2 | Np what the link for it once it's up? | 22:37 |
| stdin | Riddell: looks like that debdiff for kdewebdev-kde4 only fixed i386 builds, still doesn't run common-post-build-arch:: or install/kdewebdev-kde4:: parts of debian/rules | 22:37 |
| davmor2 | If I'm still awake I can set the dl and try it first thing | 22:37 |
| Riddell | /msg'ed | 22:40 |
| danimo | re | 22:40 |
| danimo | hmm, from a KDE 3 session, KDE 4 apps don't see the KDE 4 Qt plugins (like styles) | 22:40 |
| danimo | apachelogger: can you reproduce that? | 22:42 |
| * apachelogger has no KDE3 on the laptop :P | 22:43 | |
| apachelogger | deleted that in december already | 22:43 |
| * Tm_T has no KDE on the laptop | 22:43 | |
| danimo | startkde sets the plugin path | 22:44 |
| danimo | QT_PLUGIN_PATH, that is | 22:44 |
| * mhb has a lot of KDE on the laptop | 22:45 | |
| Riddell | starting kde 4 apps in kde 3 has the kde 4 style for me | 22:46 |
| jpatrick | same for me | 22:46 |
| Tm_T | mhb: like to guess what I do have in my laptop? | 22:46 |
| iRon | Tm_T: wmii2 ? | 22:46 |
| mhb | Windows? Apple? No laptop? | 22:46 |
| Riddell | _czessi: do you know who's doing the kubuntu-de.org announce? | 22:47 |
| mhb | Riddell: umm | 22:47 |
| mhb | Riddell: emonkey asked you about it, isn't he doing it? | 22:48 |
| jjesse_ | newyear55 | 22:48 |
| Riddell | mhb: aye but he left | 22:48 |
| Tm_T | Windows 3.11 <3 | 22:48 |
| danimo | odd, marble wants libgps.15, but gutsy has .16 | 22:49 |
| danimo | yet no conflicts | 22:49 |
| danimo | apachelogger: can you add libgps.15 as dependency for marble? | 22:51 |
| apachelogger | danimo: I see no dep on libgps.15 in marble-kde4 | 22:54 |
| danimo | ah, there is marble and marble-kde4 | 22:56 |
| danimo | odd | 22:56 |
| Riddell | marble is the old qt only version | 22:56 |
| danimo | oh, ok | 22:56 |
| claydoh | what no tetris clone for kde4??? the wife will be shocked :) | 23:03 |
| claydoh | she likes the look of the kde4 games | 23:03 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | Next meeting: 12th January 11:00 | Alpha 3 out | Happy KDE 4.0 day | ||
| === bigon` is now known as bigon | ||
| Riddell | Vorian, nixternal: whatever happened to ktorrent-kde4? | 23:35 |
| Vorian | Riddell: where do you want it? | 23:35 |
| Vorian | :) | 23:35 |
| * Vorian just gets back from work | 23:36 | |
| nixternal | Riddell: I think KTorrent was the one I said to just do uupdate on and upload when you were ready | 23:36 |
| Riddell | Vorian: in hardy :) | 23:36 |
| Vorian | lol | 23:36 |
| Riddell | nixternal: nope, that wes plasma-extragear | 23:36 |
| nixternal | ahh | 23:36 |
| Riddell | Vorian: put it on a web server somewhere | 23:36 |
| Vorian | k | 23:36 |
| nixternal | ya, that was the one Vorian was working on...forgot about that :) | 23:36 |
| Vorian | lol | 23:37 |
| nixternal | so it is his fault!!!! WOOT ISN"T MINE FOR ONCE! | 23:37 |
| Vorian | nixternal: I can't figure the other two out | 23:37 |
| nixternal | what were the other 2? | 23:37 |
| nixternal | kpov and li* | 23:37 |
| Vorian | ligature | 23:37 |
| nixternal | something or other | 23:37 |
| Vorian | yah | 23:37 |
| nixternal | k, I will take a look at ligature here in a sec | 23:37 |
| Vorian | doh! | 23:39 |
| Vorian | Riddell: it's gonna be on my ppa | 23:39 |
| nixternal | is ligature the new kdvi by chance? | 23:43 |
| Riddell | nixternal: new kghostview | 23:45 |
| Riddell | it's largly redundant to okular | 23:46 |
| nixternal | hrmm, all of its documentation says &kdvi; | 23:46 |
| nixternal | ya, and hasn't been updated since 2004 really | 23:46 |
| Riddell | kdvi is a fork of kghostview, and ligature brings them together. something like that | 23:48 |
| nixternal | ahhhh, that makes sense | 23:49 |
| nixternal | NOT! :p | 23:49 |
| nixternal | Okular is pretty pimpin' though | 23:49 |
| nixternal | hopefully I can build some stuff tonight...last night all hell broke loose with 3.98.0 build-deps | 23:50 |
| mhb | Riddell: any news on the python-kde4 konsole plugin? Do you happen to know whether it exists or not? | 23:50 |
| mhb | Riddell: especially in our packages | 23:50 |
| mhb | konsole kpart | 23:50 |
| mhb | well the thing we all need for our python thingies to work | 23:50 |
| Riddell | mhb: I heard that the konsole plugin bits had all been removed in 4.0 and should come back for 4.1 | 23:50 |
| Riddell | dunno if that's true or not | 23:50 |
| mhb | that would be a shame | 23:51 |
| Riddell | yes indeed | 23:52 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/mockup1.svg | 23:53 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: thanks :) | 23:53 |
| nixternal | np | 23:53 |
| mhb | ryanakca: going to work on that? | 23:58 |
| ryanakca | mhb: ask the world? | 23:58 |
| mhb | ah | 23:58 |
| mhb | okies | 23:58 |
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