[00:19] <corevette> will KDE4 be in alpha 3?
[00:22] <Riddell> corevette: no
[00:34] <jjesse> hate to ask on this channel but whats the easiest way to get my xp vm to connect to a kubntu folder via samba, no one on #kubuntu can help
[00:38] <Riddell> jjesse: where are you stuck?
[00:39] <jjesse> configuring hte user
[00:39] <jjesse> the user that can access the folder
[00:39] <Riddell> I seem to remember it's just the same users as on the machine
[00:39] <Riddell> not that I've used samba much
[00:40] <jjesse> i've installed samba, then in system settings i've setup the folder i want to share
[00:40] <jjesse> however in windows i keep getting asked for a username/password
[00:40] <Riddell> Vorian: did you change ktorrent's rules file?
[00:40] <jjesse> in system settings i  click on add user and not able to add a user
[00:40] <Riddell> jjesse: ug, don't use system settings for samba
[00:40] <Riddell> it's broken
[00:41] <jjesse> Riddell: found out that is
[00:42] <stdin> try putting "security = SHARE" under "[global]" in /etc/samba/smb.conf
[00:43] <jjesse> thanks stdin
[00:56] <nixternal> Riddell: just got the ktorrent email, freaked me out for a second...I was like "oh no, please tell me I didn't upload that accidentally"
[00:56] <Riddell> I e-mailed?
[00:56] <nixternal> nah, you uploaded and I got the commit email
[00:57] <Riddell> I uploaded?
[00:57] <Jucato> O.o
[00:57] <nixternal> someone did
[00:57] <Jucato> lol
[00:57] <nixternal> the email was sent to you and I
[00:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell
[00:57] <Riddell> nixternal: ktorrent or ktorrent-kde4?
[00:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell's losing it...
[00:57] <Jucato> I was beginning to think Riddell sleep-commits :)
[00:57] <nixternal> ktorrent-kde4
[00:57] <nixternal> heh
[00:57] <nixternal> I forgot about KDE 3 already, sorry :p
[00:57] <Jucato> lol
[00:58] <Riddell> nixternal: only think I see is ktorrent-kde4/3.97.0
[00:58] <Riddell> thing
[00:58] <nixternal> Accepted:
[00:58] <nixternal>  OK: extragear-plasma_4.0.0.orig.tar.gz
[00:58] <nixternal>  OK: extragear-plasma_4.0.0-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[00:58] <nixternal>  OK: extragear-plasma_4.0.0-0ubuntu1.dsc
[00:58] <nixternal> OMG
[00:58] <nixternal> I am a moron
[00:58] <nixternal> I meant plasma :p
[00:58] <Jucato> where's the ktorrent?
[00:58] <Jucato> :D
[00:58]  * nixternal goes back to sleep
[00:59] <Riddell> ah, easily confused :)
[00:59] <Jucato> nixternal:  you just crack me  up :)
[00:59] <nixternal> ya, plasma/ktorrent, they look alike :p
[00:59] <Jucato> and watching a googlee talk by the xkcd guy helps a lot in cracking me up :)
[00:59] <Jucato> oo googlee :)
[00:59] <nixternal> I was out today and noticed some people at Best Buy running the openSUSE KDE 4 cd on a laptop
[01:00] <nixternal> I was looking for a good 4 port KVM that supports audio, widescreen, and usb
[01:00] <nixternal> I almost bought that new Mac keyboard...that thing is just beautiful
[01:00] <Jucato> brave soul those people...
[01:00] <Jucato> souls*
[01:00] <Nightrose> Jucato: seen the talk? i think that was awesome
[01:00] <Riddell> meh, xkcd guy kept me up late at night when I was at AllHands
[01:00] <nixternal> I have been playing with my new Mac, and I am not sold on it just yet
[01:00] <nixternal> I don't see what others do I guess
[01:01] <Jucato> :D
[01:01] <nixternal> it is a pita to tweak, it is slow
[01:01] <nixternal> oh, and it reminds me of gnome
[01:01] <Jucato> Nightrose: yeah :D
[01:01] <Jucato> nixternal: well, GNOME is somewhat a copy of OS X.... even if de Icaza wants to copy MS... O.o
[01:02] <nixternal> ouch
[01:02] <nixternal> that was low
[01:02] <Jucato> hehe :)
[01:02] <Jucato> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJOS0sV2a24 anyway if anyone wants to watch :)
[01:02] <Hobbsee> !visternal
[01:02] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[01:03] <nixternal> I think I will go Mac over MS anyday now
[01:03] <Hobbsee> trading one addiction for another, there
[01:03] <Jucato> :P
[01:08] <nixternal> Jucato: what am I watching?
[01:08] <nixternal> oh, I played with the N810, totally not worth it
[01:09] <Jucato> Google Talk by Randall Munroe, xkcd creator
[01:09] <nixternal> Samsung has one even nicer for less if you ask me
[01:09] <Jucato> (not the white haired guy)
[01:09] <nixternal> oh
[01:31] <jjesse_> grargh... my hotel can't deal w/ my linux boot
[01:31] <jjesse_> keep getting kicked off the wireless
[01:31] <jjesse_> just got off the phone and they have no knwledge
[01:32] <ScottK> Why should the fact that it's Linux matter?
[01:33] <jjesse_> well when i'm boot into windows, it works fine
[01:33] <jjesse_> when i boot into linux i can't maintain a stable connection
[01:34] <jjesse_> not even handled a valid ip address
[01:34] <ScottK> Are you using Network Manager?
[01:34] <jjesse_> knetworkmanager
[01:38] <jjesse_> but yes, i do not get internet access
[01:40] <ScottK> What happens if you set your network setting to manage them manually and the do sudo sh /etc/init.d/networking start (or maybe restart)?
[01:40] <jjesse_> will have to restart to linux
[01:41] <ScottK> jjesse_: Should at least give you idea of where things are going wrong
[01:41] <jjesse_> will do
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, now what metapackage do i install to make kde4 "just work"?
[01:42] <ScottK> Hobbsee: kde4.1
[01:42] <Hobbsee> ScottK: nyah.
[01:42] <Hobbsee> ScottK: and out of the packages that exist?
[01:43] <ScottK> Oh.  You weren't specific ;-)
[01:43]  * Hobbsee clubs ScottK in the head
[01:44]  * ScottK is glad he wears a helmet while working
[01:44]  * stdin wonders why Hobbsee is Building kde4libs 4:3.96.0-1ubuntu1
[01:44] <Hobbsee> stdin: i'm not?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> er, now which packages have to go first?
[01:45] <stdin> you were according to https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds
[01:45] <Vorian> evening :)
[01:45] <stdin> maybe LP auto re-queues PPA packages?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> it does, but that should have been done ages ago
[01:49] <Hobbsee> ooh, nice, a build queue depth
[01:50] <jjesse> ScottK: i'm on for now, got RTnETLINK Ansers No Such Process when i did a /etc/init.d/networking restart
[01:50] <jjesse> really slow connection
[01:51] <ScottK> Did you connect via start then?
[01:51] <jjesse> i configured networkmanager to manual
[01:51] <ScottK> Sounds like you might want to be collecting data for a bug.
[01:52] <jjesse> the internet "helpdesK" asked for my mac address
[01:53] <ScottK> If Windows works, then Linux should too, so there's a bug somewhere.  It'd be good to have data on it.
[02:08] <jjesse_> ok that went terribly wrong
[02:08] <jjesse_> now i can't get knetworkmanager back to th automatica configuration where i can select the wireless connection
[02:09] <ScottK> jjesse_: You have to edit /etc/network/interfaces back to automatic
[02:09] <jjesse_> ah didn't know that
[02:09] <Jucato> very few do :)
[02:09]  * ScottK learned the hard way.
[02:10] <Jucato> good thing for us :)
[02:10] <jjesse_> still can't connect
[02:10] <jjesse_> i mean i'm on for a coupple of seconds and then dropped off
[02:10] <jjesse_> stupid internet
[02:12] <Vorian> lol
[02:12] <Vorian> that hurts
[02:12] <Vorian> didn't mean to laugh
[02:13] <jjesse_> seriously when i'm in windows i'm getting a 300kbps upload speed according to speedtest.net
[02:14] <jjesse_> wow i think i'm getting booted in windows as well
[02:15] <Vorian> I'm trying to build ligature
[02:15] <Vorian> but i get this error
[02:15] <Vorian> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51413/
[02:15] <Jucato> oh ligature...
[02:16]  * Jucato remembers the drama...
[02:16] <Vorian> noo
[02:16] <Vorian> don't tell me its drama
[02:16] <Jucato> blitz (qimageblitz) is installed?
[02:16] <Jucato> !find blitz
[02:16] <ubotu> Found: libqimageblitz-dev, libqimageblitz4
[02:16] <Vorian> hmm
[02:17] <Jucato> the drama of okular vs ligature... okular won :)
[02:17] <Vorian> :(
[02:17] <Vorian> this is the line....
[02:17] <Vorian> CMake Error: Blitz_DIR is not set.  It must be set to the directory containing BlitzConfig.cmake in order to use Blitz.
[02:17] <Jucato> I don't know what happened after ligature lost the fight, if it remained maintained in extragear...
[02:18] <nixternal> it is in extragear
[02:18]  * Jucato waves to nixternal :D
[02:18] <Vorian> aye, i have libqimageblitz-dev as a depends
[02:21] <Vorian> flippin ZenWalk has it
[02:21] <Vorian> kde4ligature
[02:22] <Jucato> :(
[02:23]  * Vorian tries: export Blitz_DIR="/usr/include/blitz/"
[02:28] <nixternal> you shouldn't have to export that at all, why it isn't picking it up in pbuilder is beyond me though
[02:28] <Vorian> hmmmmmm
[02:29] <nixternal> Vorian: pastebin your control file
[02:30] <Vorian> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51416/
[02:30] <Vorian> nixternal: of course it's not cleaned up yet
[02:32] <nixternal> libfreetype6-dev, libjpeg62-dev, libtiff4-dev, libgcc1
[02:32] <nixternal> that stuff is automatically in a buildd, so you don't need to build against it I don't think
[02:32] <nixternal> find_package(Blitz REQUIRED)
[02:32] <nixternal> that is all that is in the CMake file
[02:33] <nixternal> Msgfmt and Gettext are already part of the system, so you don't need to build-dep against them or parts of them
[02:33] <Vorian> editing as we speak
[02:33] <nixternal> ok, this magic foo isn't working for me
[02:33] <Jucato> ah.. debian/control files :)
[02:34] <Vorian> i'll try it again
[02:35] <nixternal> bah, gotta add a .install file it seems for the foo
[02:36] <Vorian> darn it all!
[02:36] <Vorian> :)
[02:37] <Vorian> 1) You need to reinstall Blitz from kdesupport.
[02:37] <Vorian> 2) There is an updated FindBlitz cmake module in kdelibs/cmake/modules. This
[02:37] <Vorian> needs to be installed.
[02:37] <Vorian> 3) You need to delete your CMake cache file in your build directory so the
[02:37] <Vorian> updated FindBlitz will run.
[02:37]  * nixternal pets his chroot for actually working tonight
[02:37] <ScottK> nixternal: So that's what you call it?
[02:38] <nixternal> hahahahah
[02:38] <Vorian> BAHAHA!
[02:38] <nixternal> I about shot an icecube through my nose
[02:38] <Jucato> lol
[02:38] <Vorian> lol
[02:38] <Jucato> synchronized lol's :)
[02:39] <Vorian> ^5 Jucato
[02:56] <jjesse_> ok so can someone send me or pastebin me a /etc/network/interfaces file cause i've messed mine up totally
[02:57] <Vorian> weird
[02:59] <Vorian> jjesse_: don't know if this will help, but http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51417/
[03:00] <jjesse_> is there a way to recreate that file?
[03:00] <Vorian> cd /etc/network/
[03:00] <Vorian> nano interfaces
[03:04] <jjesse_> right i now i can edit my interface file
[03:04] <jjesse_> know
[03:29] <Hobbsee> stdin: ze ppa world exploded.  plzfix.  kthxbye.
[03:30] <jjesse> am i still connected?
[03:30] <ScottK> jjesse: Yes
[03:30] <stdin> Hobbsee: blame the one who's initials are "J" and "R", and I'm a fixin em :)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:30] <ScottK> That or I'm a hallucination
[03:31] <jjesse> lookd likr i'm connected for a brief amount of time
[03:31] <Hobbsee> jjesse: you pinged out before though
[03:31] <jjesse> i've been pinging out all night, my hotel internet doesn't like me connected via my linux boot
[03:38] <stdin> Hobbsee: FYI, the language-packs uploaded to hardy are going to go !!KABOOM!! too
[03:39] <Hobbsee> stdin: why?
[03:39] <stdin> missing b-d on cdbs and quilt
[03:40]  * Hobbsee sighs
[03:40] <jjesse> can someone confirm a possilbe bug i found in kde-docs? open up helpcenter, go to settings->modules -> internet & network and click on Network settings
[03:40] <stdin> the i386 queue is going to sore today
[03:40] <jjesse> where do guys go to watch the queues?
[03:41] <stdin> top left of +build
[03:41] <stdin> *+builds
[03:41] <Hobbsee> aw, bugger
[03:41] <Hobbsee> some of this fell over
[03:42] <jjesse> top left of what?
[03:42] <jjesse> sorry got lost
[03:42] <stdin> https://launchpad.net/+builds
[03:42]  * Hobbsee rescores pimlibs
[03:43] <jjesse> oh cool
[03:44] <Hobbsee> oh, yuck.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> stdin: you're sure that they're goign to kaboom?
[03:44] <stdin> Hobbsee: have a look http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11240662/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.kde-l10n-ne_4%3A4.0.0-0ubuntu1%7Egutsy1%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[03:45] <stdin> basically several of: debian/cdbs/cmake.mk:30: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/buildcore.mk: No such file or directory
[03:45] <Hobbsee> testing ftw!
[03:45] <stdin> and the like
[03:45]  * stdin has diffs
[03:46] <Hobbsee> oh goody
[03:46] <Hobbsee> stdin: where?
[03:46] <stdin> just uploaded to my apache server now
[03:46] <stdin> *uploading
[03:47] <stdin> http://www.stdin.me.uk/diffs/
[03:47] <Hobbsee> stdin: do you have a list of those in a line?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> as in, the langpack names?
[03:48] <stdin> I'll make one
[03:49] <Hobbsee> thanks
[03:49] <stdin> kde-l10n-ar kde-l10n-be kde-l10n-bg kde-l10n-ca kde-l10n-csb kde-l10n-de kde-l10n-el kde-l10n-engb kde-l10n-eo kde-l10n-es kde-l10n-et kde-l10n-eu kde-l10n-fi kde-l10n-fr kde-l10n-ga kde-l10n-gl kde-l10n-hi kde-l10n-hu kde-l10n-it kde-l10n-ja kde-l10n-km kde-l10n-ko kde-l10n-lv kde-l10n-mk kde-l10n-nb kde-l10n-nds kde-l10n-ne kde-l10n-nl kde-l10n-nn kde-l10n-pa kde-l10n-pl kde-l10n-pt kde-l10n-ptbr kde-l10n-ru kde-l10n-se kde-l10n-sl kde-l10n-sv
[03:49] <stdin>  kde-l10n-th kde-l10n-tr kde-l10n-uk kde-l10n-wa kde-l10n-zhcn kde-l10n-zhtw
[03:49] <stdin> wow, that is a lot
[03:49] <Hobbsee> exactly
[03:50] <stdin> you go all of that? up to kde-l10n-zhtw?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:50] <stdin> good
[03:54] <stdin> I think there'll be more diffs to come (and a long night for me)
[03:54] <nixternal> stdin: for a second there I thought we were getting spammed :)
[03:55] <stdin> I used a mix of echo and sed, so I didn't quite see how long that line was
[03:55] <nixternal> DEB_DH_INSTALL_ARGS = --sourcedir=debian/$(DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE)
[03:56] <nixternal> Vorian: ^^ that might be the logical fix for the magic foo
[03:56] <nixternal> that would remove the need for a .install file
[03:56] <Hobbsee> oh, ugh.
[03:57] <Hobbsee> stdin: you couldn't happen to build them with -sd, and leave the source.changes there for me to sign, could you?
[03:57]  * Hobbsee grins at being lazy
[03:57] <Hobbsee> E: Unable to find a source package for kde-l10n-ca
[03:58] <stdin> lemme just find my for .... command
[04:02]  * Hobbsee slowly deprios
[04:04] <Hobbsee> stdin: will everything else fail too?
[04:04] <stdin> not everything no
[04:04]  * Hobbsee sighs
[04:04] <Hobbsee> testing things would really be nice, y'know...
[04:05] <stdin> kdebindings-kde4 and kdewebdev-kde4 seem to need a b-d on libphonon-dev though
[04:06] <stdin> other than that, I think it should be ok (hopefully)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> right, good
[04:08] <Hobbsee> stdin: any luck with that for line?
[04:08] <stdin> Hobbsee: it's running now
[04:08] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[04:08] <stdin> on -tr-
[04:09] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:10] <Vorian> nixternal: that's for ligature?
[04:10] <nixternal> nope, I figured out my problem
[04:10] <Vorian> :)
[04:10] <Vorian> kewl
[04:10] <nixternal> /var/cache/pbuilder/hardy/result/ wasn't empty so my .debs were goofy
[04:11] <nixternal> this should be my final test and then I will upload the rules file you need to use for those packages...you will just need to update the install/kaider-kde4:: to whatever your package name is
[04:11] <stdin> Hobbsee: hows http://www.stdin.me.uk/diffs2/ look?
[04:11] <Vorian> nixternal: werd
[04:11] <Vorian> sounds good
[04:12] <Hobbsee> stdin: great, but missing .dsc's.
[04:12] <stdin> hit F5 ;)
[04:12] <Hobbsee> ah, goody
[04:17] <Hobbsee> whee!
[04:17] <Hobbsee> mass signing FTW!
[04:25] <Hobbsee> yay, accepted spam.
[04:28] <n8k99> hooray!
[04:31] <Hobbsee> yay, 44 accepted mails1
[04:32] <Hobbsee> stdin: thanks
[04:33] <stdin> I can do kdebindings-kde4 and kdewebdev-kde4 for you if you want too? the're already in the same place :)
[04:33]  * Hobbsee shrugs
[04:34]  * Hobbsee will babysit the rest first
[04:35] <stdin> well they will also ftbfs, need libphonon-dev b-d
[04:35] <stdin> ↑2U
[04:35] <Hobbsee> oh *sigh*
[04:42] <nixternal> I wonder if it would be possible to have some Kubuntu KDE 4 CDs made up for Flourish in March...I will be running a KDE booth
[04:47] <Hobbsee> stdin: oh, even better
[04:49]  * Hobbsee waits for the publisher
[04:49] <nixternal> damn you jjesse and your "log in to leave a comment" blog :p
[04:49] <nixternal> I was going to say, OneNote sucks just as much as Basket does
[04:50] <nixternal> you want a good note taking app, grab one of the many personal wikis out there...much better and a hell of a lot less stress on the resources
[04:50] <nixternal> for stand alone note apps though, I think Tomboy has everyone beat hands down
[04:50] <nixternal> even if it is a horrible mono app
[04:50] <Hobbsee> heh, yes
[04:51]  * Hobbsee likes tomboy
[04:51] <Hobbsee> gnome is very slow to load with it, though
[04:51] <nixternal> everything is slow to load with mono :)
[04:51] <nixternal> Basket is an obvious rip off of OneNote which is sad, or an attempt to rip off
[04:52] <nixternal> I like the notes in OS X too
[04:52] <nixternal> they are pretty slick
[04:52] <nixternal> w00t, I am giving yet another KDE 4 talk, this time in front of 500+ people
[04:52]  * nixternal throws up
[04:54] <Hobbsee> you'll be fine
[04:55] <nixternal> that's a bunch of people
[04:55] <Hobbsee> they'll all just point and laugh, and otherwise all heckle you
[04:55] <nixternal> so far I have just done it in front of 50 or so CS majors at local universities :)
[04:55] <Hobbsee> yes.  with lots of eggs adn rotten tomatoes.
[04:55] <nixternal> they will heckle, as most of them already have in the past :p
[04:55] <nixternal> I hope they don't throw Ubuntu CDs at me
[04:55] <nixternal> or, eggs and rotten tomatoes
[04:55] <nixternal> err, s/or/oh
[04:56] <Hobbsee> just make sure they're checked at teh door
[04:56]  * ScottK moves another MIR onto the "Done" pile.
[05:11] <nixternal> Vorian: where you at so far? everything going good?
[05:11] <nixternal> I am almost done...working on your kmldonkey getting ready to upload it after this build
[05:11] <nixternal> I think ktorrent Riddell was just gonna do
[05:11] <nixternal> since there is nothing to be done to it
[05:12] <nixternal> just uupdate and rock on
[05:12] <ScottK> You leave the easy one for the boss so he feel like he's still got it?
[05:12] <nixternal> I added the magic foo to kmldonkey for ya btw
[05:12] <nixternal> ScottK: you know it :)
[05:13] <nixternal> he does enough, it is good to give him the easy things every once and a while
[05:27] <nixternal> ahh lovely, libgif4 conflicts, kdebase 3.98 issue
[05:31] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/kopete-crypto/  <- can you finish this one up too please?
[05:36] <stdin> nixternal: kopete-cryptography-kde4 doesn't have any files in bin/ , all your debian/rules needs to be is "include debian/cdbs/kde.mk"
[05:37] <nixternal> he can fix it...it won't build anyways no matter what you do because all of 3.98 hasn't build yet from the looks of it
[05:43] <nixternal> Vorian: when you complete kpov and ligature, send them to Riddell...I need to crash soon, forgot I have an early doctor's appointment
[05:54] <bigon> could someone have a look at decibel?
[05:54] <bigon> it's currently FTBFS
[06:58]  * stdin naps while waiting for the ~180 "Ubuntu language pack builders" packages to stop holding the i386 buildd to ransom
[08:16] <blizzzek> right now i saw that there are problems with okular-kde4 after tomorrows update. when i launch it (but from a kde 3.5.8 session) it says okular party cannot be found. then there is a useless window in kde4 style :(
[08:24] <mhb> ;
[09:24] <sebastian^> good morning folks :)
[09:32] <davmor2> good morning
[09:33] <davmor2> Riddell: I notice there is a new build for the alternatives :)
[10:48] <Riddell> fabo: why not make kdelibs5-dev depend on libphonon-dev?
[10:50] <fabo> Riddell: primary because kdelibs could be used without phonon, i don't have any real use case atm
[10:51] <fabo> i thought about kdegraphics as a good example but okular links against phonon ...
[11:07] <Riddell> Vorian: your debian/copyright for kmldonkey is needlessly verbose, you don't have to list every file (it's unmaintainable in the long term) nor the full GPL
[11:08] <Vorian> Riddell: ok, that will be useful in the future :)
[11:08] <Riddell> Vorian: otherwise all perfect, accepting
[11:08] <Vorian> awesome!
[11:09] <Vorian> I'll keep an eye on upstream releases and correct the copyright when a new release is available.
[11:14] <Riddell> nixternal: kfax-kde4 debian/copyright says its GPL 2 only, but it seems to be GPL 2 + (fine for me to accept but best to be fixed at some point)
[11:14] <Riddell> nixternal: kcolouredit-kde4 too
[11:18]  * Vorian is off to work
[11:21]  * apache|mobile needs someone to revu dragonplayer
[11:22] <Riddell> apache|mobile: url?
[11:23] <apache|mobile> Riddell: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=dragonplayer
[11:23] <Riddell> revu has moved?
[11:24] <apache|mobile> Riddell: nope, though I prefer to use ubuntuwire ... branding and stuff ;-)
[11:28] <Riddell> apache|mobile: ok, a couple of issues, nothing major
[11:30] <apache|mobile> thanks
[11:40] <Riddell> ah Hobbsee
[11:40] <Riddell> Hobbsee: fancy upping the build priority of kdebase-runtime kdebase-kde4 and kdebase-workspace?
[11:40] <Hobbsee> heya!
[11:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you want me to babysit some buildds again?
[11:41] <apache|mobile> Riddell: updated, uploading to nu queue now
[11:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if you agree to actually test build.
[11:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: reprio'ing
[11:44] <Hobbsee> right, done
[12:02] <Riddell> Hobbsee: are you able to up the priority of ppa builds too?
[12:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no
[12:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, i don't think so
[12:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: a build queue for that hasn't been Deemed Important.
[12:03] <Riddell> hmm, so fingers crossed in hoping we'll have packages in time
[12:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: pretty much the only way to get control of a ppa build at all is to ask IS to rip out the build directory of something that's currently building.
[12:05] <Hobbsee> oh, and take it off auto, so it doesn't get given anything else.
[12:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi I'm currentl working on the one click install for kubuntu
[12:32] <Jucato> woot woot :)
[12:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a question on that point, a we do use an ioslave.... do you know if it is possible to exclude some urls from konqueror's history ?
[12:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: that can cause some issues sometime for example when playing the "back" and "forward" buttons
[12:33] <Tonio_> the apt:
[12:33] <Jucato> hehe. that sounded nice.. "The Apt"! :)
[12:33] <Tonio_> the apt:/ urls should be excluded somehow, maybe by patching khtml/kdelibs
[12:33] <Tonio_> Jucato: there is already installation support on hardy, I need to had the management for adding external repos etc....
[12:34] <Tonio_> Jucato: apt://yakuake will install yakuake
[12:34] <Jucato> oooh... it's in hardy right now? gotta test! :)
[12:34] <Tonio_> also, browsing the packages with apt:/ allows to install and remove packages using adept
[12:34] <Tonio_> Jucato: please let me know how that works for you
[12:34] <Jucato> sure :)
[12:35] <Tonio_> Jucato: and aoid playing with back and forward, I investigate to get those urls removed from the historic
[12:35] <Jucato> Tonio_: and mornfall is working again on adept, for kde4. and yuriy's working with him on it too. exciting to see how it will all come together :D
[12:36] <Tonio_> Jucato: does apt://yakuake proposes you to install the software ?
[12:36] <Jucato> still booting my VM for hardy testing :)
[12:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't know, try asking ervin, he knows all about ioslaves
[12:36] <Tonio_> Jucato: I know :) well basically I use adept-batch from kio-apt to deal with this
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was thinking about him yeah :)
[12:37] <Jucato> Tonio_: is kio-apt ported to KDE 4? (I'm guessing not yet?)
[12:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I noticed that urls that are not opened with konqueror, for example http://www.mywebsite.com/myfile.txt are not in the historic
[12:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I guess there is a way/condition to get them removed
[12:38] <Jucato> speaking of adept batch: bug 129186
[12:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129186 in adept "language-selector-qt false success notification" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129186
[12:38] <Jucato> comment from mvo: "It looks like adept_batch does not return a error code if the install was not successfull,"
[12:44] <Jucato> Tonio_: works perfectly! :)
[12:44] <davmor2> Riddell: Kub 64alt and 32alt both work fine :)
[12:46] <Riddell> davmor2: excellent!
[12:46] <Jucato> jpatrick: seen the kubuntu-devel list?
[12:47] <Jucato> jpatrick: moin btw :P
[12:47] <Jucato> and bye too :)
[12:47] <Jucato> Tonio_: searching for a package in apt:/ and clicking on Install also works! :D
[12:49] <claydoh> Jucato, you mean the app-naming-argument list? ;)
[12:49] <davmor2> Riddell: Np
[12:49] <Jucato> claydoh: hm?
[12:50] <claydoh> oops wrong list anyway nm
[12:50]  * Jucato blinks
[12:50] <claydoh> ignore me
[12:50] <claydoh> really
[12:50] <Jucato> /ignore claydoh
[12:50] <Jucato> ooops :D
[12:50] <Tonio_> Jucato: yeah I also added this :)
[12:51] <Jucato> claydoh: how's your knee? :)
[12:51] <Tonio_> Jucato: fancy helping in making the UI better ?
[12:51] <Jucato> Tonio_: I do have one suggestion if it's possible :)
[12:51] <Tonio_> Jucato: kio-apt html code is ugly as hell
[12:51] <claydoh> ok, the original pain is gone!
[12:51] <Tonio_> Jucato: please ask
[12:51] <Jucato> it's written in HTML?
[12:51] <claydoh> but still a bit sore
[12:51] <Tonio_> Jucato: well the output is html of course
[12:51] <Tonio_> Jucato: and it's ugly...
[12:51] <Tonio_> not the code, the UI
[12:52] <Jucato> Tonio_: when you type apt://yakuake, you're just given a blank page to stare at (or the current page in Konqueror).. it would probably be good to show the page for yakuake
[12:52] <Jucato> claydoh: oh I hope that goes away soon too
[12:53] <claydoh> it will im sure, and thanks :)
[12:56] <Tonio_> Jucato: yeah that's something I have to change
[12:57] <mhb> good afternoon
[12:57] <jjesse> good afternoon
[12:57] <Jucato> afternoon good :)
[12:58] <jpatrick> good afternoon
[12:58] <Jucato> wb jpatrick
 jpatrick: seen the kubuntu-devel list?
[13:00] <jpatrick> Jucato: not yet
[13:00] <Jucato> jpatrick: anyway someone was interested in working on Katapult for KDE 4. told him to talk to you here
[13:01] <jpatrick> Jucato: well, I was
[13:01] <Jucato> then sebas added that ruphy might have something that looks like katapult but uses kde4's runners (which was supposed to be the "deal" between Mz and aseigo)
[13:02] <Jucato> jpatrick: busy bird you :)
[13:03] <sebas> Jucato: It *is* krunner
[13:04] <Jucato> sebas: oh...
[13:04] <jpatrick> Jucato: for some reason Katapult broke with cmake
[13:04]  * Jucato thinks that wasn't the original plan.. but... anyway...
[13:07] <sebas> I don't know the original plan, that's just what I saw coming by.
[13:07] <jpatrick> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/katapult/+spec/krunner
[13:08] <Jucato> sebas: Mez and aseigo were the ones that talked... I just watched :D
[13:08] <Mez> Jucato,  ?
[13:09] <sebas> The blueprint isn't exactly verbose
[13:09] <Jucato> Mez: you're talk with aseigo about katapult. remember?
[13:09] <Mez> *shrugs* thats cause Aaron and I have different POV's regarding it.
[13:09] <Mez> Jucato, yes, and I also talked to him after that in person.
[13:09] <Jucato> oh
[13:10] <Mez> I'm unsure whether it should use runners or not ... It's still something I'm mulling over. but for now - I'd say not - as I agree with Aaron, while it'd be nice for it to use the runners, they're not what katapult is about, katapult and krunner are different concepts.
[13:11] <Mez> (to the untrained eye)
[13:20] <Riddell> Hobbsee: could you raise the priority of the kde4 packages in gutsy-backports?
[13:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: which packages?
[13:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kde4libs kdepimlibs kdebase-runtime kdebase-kde4 kdebase-workspace
[13:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kdeadmin-kde4 kdeartwork-kde4 kdebindings-kde4 kdeedu-kde4 kdegames-kde4  kdegraphics-kde4 kdemultimedia-kde4 kdenetwork-kde4 kdesdk-kde4 kdetoys-kde4 kdeutils-kde4 kdewebdev-kde4
[13:22] <jpatrick> *-kde4
[13:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is there any point?
[13:23] <Hobbsee> there's only kde stuff in backports anyway
[13:23] <Riddell> Hobbsee: well yes, so they actually get built
[13:23] <Riddell> backports is on the same buildds as the rest of the archive
[13:23] <Hobbsee> before all the hardy stuff?
[13:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, we have more gutsy users and I need to make the gutsy remastered CD
[13:24] <Hobbsee> mm, fair enough
[13:24] <jpatrick> yuriy: mate, I found out how to leave irssi running in the background
[13:24] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: screen?
[13:25] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: yeah that, he was asking days ago
[13:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: should just shove terranova onto normal builds :)
[13:25] <Hobbsee> no live cds being built atm anyway
[13:26] <mhb> jpatrick: you (two) could just ask anyone of us who is always online :o)
[13:26] <jpatrick> mhb: he did ;)
[13:30] <Jucato> hm... I think kpackage-kde4 needs Smart to be a depends or recommends...
[13:30] <Jucato> or recommends... bah nvm...
[13:37] <Riddell> nixternal: could you add the meeting in the topic to fridge
[13:38] <Jucato> oh great.. I can't make it to this meeting too.. and I missed the last one :(
[13:38] <jpatrick> Jucato: I'll write the minutes
[13:38] <Jucato> jpatrick: thank you! :)
[13:38] <jpatrick> always do now
[13:38] <Jucato> yeah I noticed :)
[13:38] <Jucato> of course nothing beats actually being there :(
[13:41] <mhb> erm
[13:42] <mhb> what day is twelvend?
[13:42] <Riddell> saturday
[13:42] <Jucato> katurday
[13:44] <mhb> good
[13:46] <Riddell> Hobbsee: did you up those backport build priorities?  seems low at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1/+build/488203
[13:47] <Hobbsee> oh, i only did the second lot sorry
[13:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: some of these versions look old
[14:04] <Riddell> Hobbsee: like what?
[14:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kdebase-workspace, for one
[14:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1
[14:06] <Riddell> what are you seeing?
[14:06] <Hobbsee> Source version: 3.94.0-0ubuntu2
[14:06] <Hobbsee> sparc: Successfully built
[14:07] <Hobbsee> powerpc: Successfully built
[14:07] <Hobbsee> lpia: Successfully built
[14:07] <Hobbsee> ia64: Successfully built
[14:07] <Hobbsee> i386: Successfully built
[14:07] <Hobbsee> amd64: Successfully built
[14:07] <Hobbsee> it might just be a bug in the script or something, to do with backports.  i'm not sure
[14:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yeah, that's release not backports
[14:07] <Hobbsee> it was doing some of backports, at least
[14:11] <mhb> could I ask about the state of the latest KDE4 packages in Hardy? Are they built yet?
[14:11] <Hobbsee> some, it apperas
[14:12] <Riddell> mhb: they seem to be mostly built, but kdebase* hasn't hit the archive yet
[14:13] <mhb> okies, I'll wait
[14:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: so did you manage to pimp the priority of any of them?
[14:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: need to wait on libs to compile first
[14:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: we have versioned build-deps for that
[14:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sure, but lp will still take sweet time in deciding which to build first
[14:36] <Hobbsee> and isn't overly intelligent about that
[14:36] <Hobbsee> (and dumps the priority each time for depwaiting, it appears)
[14:36] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hmm, but won't you be going to bed at some point?
[14:37] <Hobbsee> yeah. like, soon
[14:37] <Hobbsee> pitti and that are around, though
[14:37] <Riddell> they tend not to be so responsive to the needs of a prompt kde 4.0 release
[14:39] <Hobbsee> mmm
[14:40] <Hobbsee> yeah, it appears to be only finding 3.94.  sih.
[14:42]  * Hobbsee ponders the thought of reprio'ing that all by hand.
[14:44]  * Hobbsee reprio's kde4libs and pimlibs
[14:44] <Riddell> if that's what it takes to get 4.0 done in time..
[14:47]  * Hobbsee looks at the depwaited list
[14:47] <Hobbsee> argh.
[14:48] <yuriy> jpatrick: i use irssi with screen all the time. i was saying it'd be cool to be able to do it with konversation
[14:49] <Hobbsee> yuriy++
[14:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: besides, i thought it was released on the 8th
[14:50] <Hobbsee> or 9th
[14:51] <Hobbsee> like, euro time
[14:51] <Riddell> Hobbsee: tomorrow european morning
[14:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: define tomorrow.
[14:53] <Riddell> friday 11th
[14:54] <Hobbsee> right
[14:54] <Riddell> so we need packages compiled in time for me to make a live CD
[14:54] <Hobbsee> when do you want to make your live cd?
[14:54] <Riddell> asap
[14:55] <Hobbsee> no time like the present, or anything...
[14:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: pitti's happy to proxy for you
[15:02] <kwwii> nixternal: ping?
[15:08] <Hobbsee> stdin: ping
[15:09] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Given your interest in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I thought you might find this: http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/edibleeyes humorous.  You can build your own.
[15:10] <Hobbsee> ScottK: ROFL!
[15:11] <Jucato> wth? O.o
[15:39] <nosrednaekim> mhb: any clue on that slot problem I was having?
[15:40] <mhb> nosrednaekim: well, no... must have forgotten about it
[15:41] <mhb> do I have the code that's problematic?
[15:41] <nosrednaekim> yeah, I think I sent it to you
[15:42] <mhb> do you remember the topic, email address or something I can search it with?
[15:42] <nosrednaekim> try desktop effects or compiz
[15:42] <mhb> gmail searching sucks, it just doesn't find it :o)
[15:42] <mhb> ah, here it is
[15:43] <nosrednaekim> "desktop effects config file" was the name
[15:43] <nosrednaekim> though that really doesn't fit the real reason, forget why I called it that <_<
[15:46] <nosrednaekim> and the problem is that the Signal for the "apply button" (accepted()) never gets sent/recieved
[15:47] <mhb> wicked
[15:47] <mhb> must be a PyQt4 problem
[15:48] <mhb> the API is clear
[15:48] <mhb>      connect(buttonBox, SIGNAL(accepted()), this, SLOT(accept()));
[15:48] <nosrednaekim> yeah.
[15:49] <nosrednaekim> I had this problem before with pyqt4 (slot not connecting) but I wasn't sure if it was a problem with my coding.
[15:49] <mhb> I guess join pyqt@riverbankcomputing.com and report that
[15:50] <mhb> as a workaround, I guess define a new button for "apply" with a custom connect
[15:51] <nosrednaekim> ok, and get rid of the original button box?
[15:51] <mhb> sure, why not
[15:53] <nosrednaekim> ok, will do. Thanks for looking at that, always nice to know its not just you :)
[15:58] <nosrednaekim> mhb: ummm, one thing more i'm going to bother you about :) do you have the original qt4 .ui file?
[16:03] <mhb> original as in?
[16:03]  * Jucato read that as "original sin"
[16:04] <nosrednaekim> as in before it was converted to python
[16:05] <mhb> not in data/ ?
[16:05] <mhb> kind of strange that it isn't there, cause it was in that tarball, you know
[16:10] <nosrednaekim> really?
[16:10] <mhb> yes
[16:10] <mhb> DesktopEffectsQt4Dialog.ui
[16:10] <mhb> in data/
[16:11] <nosrednaekim> ah, yes, thank you. sorry..
[16:11] <mhb> no problem at all
[16:12] <davmor2> Riddell:  Are you doing a Kde4 cd for release?  If so does it need testing?
[16:13] <Riddell> davmor2: yes, should do, it will need testing although I havn't started so it won't be available for some hours
[16:14] <bobesponja> hi
[16:14] <bobesponja> is it normal that flash doesn't work with konqueror from KDE4.0?
[16:15] <davmor2> Riddell: email me a link we it's up won't take long to dl it.  I'll test 64bit and 32 for you okay :)
[16:16] <Riddell> it'll be 32 bit only
[16:16] <Riddell> bobesponja: current flash doesn't work with any konqueror
[16:17] <bobesponja> Riddell: but it works with my kde 3.5 session and doesn't with my kde4 one, I'm not using current flash I'm using the one kubuntu installs for me
[16:18] <ScottK> bobesponja: It won't once you update to the current Flash from Adobe
[16:18] <ScottK> Konqueror isn't a supported platform.
[16:18] <yuriy> so i installed the 4.0.0 packages from ppa, and this time kdm-kde4 came up when i booted
[16:18] <bobesponja> ScottK: ok, but as it works with the konqueror 3.5 it should work with 4.0 right?
[16:18] <Riddell> yuriy: impressive
[16:18] <Riddell> yuriy: does it work?
[16:19] <yuriy> haven't logged in yet
[16:19] <bobesponja> Riddell: I'm using ppa right now and it works great, full session
[16:19] <ScottK> bobesponja: Since it's unsupported by the vendor and it's proprietary software available as binary only, I'd say be glad for whatever working you get.
[16:19] <yuriy> but first problem is: it's showing ALL users in the user list
[16:20] <Riddell> bobesponja: 4.0.0?
[16:20] <nosrednaekim> 4.0.0 is out?
[16:20] <yuriy> 2nd sort-of problem: plain debian theme, plain blue background
[16:20] <bobesponja> Riddell: latest packages I could grab
[16:21] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: ssh (some bits have compiled)
[16:21] <nosrednaekim> ok :)
[16:21] <yuriy> hmm.. "a critical error occured, please look at kdm's logs for more info"
[16:22]  * yuriy wonders which log that is
[16:23] <yuriy> same error logging into kde3 or 4
[16:25] <Riddell> wow, that KDE 4 login sound is.. brief
[16:26] <Jucato> very :)
[16:27] <nosrednaekim> yuriy: .xsession-errors possibly
[16:28] <yuriy> tried that, it's empty
[16:28] <yuriy> and /var/log/kdm.log just has X stuff
[16:31] <bddebian> Heya
[16:33] <yuriy> hmm...
[16:33] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[16:34] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[16:38]  * yuriy punts for now and starts kdm-kde3
[16:40] <yuriy> whoa plasma actually took the resolution change well. woohoo (now we'll just have to see about kwin...)
[16:54] <hunger> .:q
[16:54] <mhb> hmm, I guess we all need vim shortcuts for irssi :o)
[16:55] <mhb> hunger: it's good to see another enlightened soul
[16:55] <nosrednaekim> haha
[16:56] <iRon> i thought first it was kind of some new smiley :-D
[16:56] <hunger> oh, sorry, wrong window:-)
[16:57] <yuriy> ok so all the "kde 4" shortcuts don't work in a full kde4 session, the standard shortcuts launch the kde4 applications
[16:57] <yuriy> (or is that just my config?)
[16:58] <yuriy> is there something we can do about that and still keep the shortcuts for in the kde 3 session?
[16:59] <Riddell> yuriy: the kde 4 menu entries work but the kde 3 ones will launch the kde 4 app if it's installed because of the $PATH
[16:59] <Riddell> yuriy: so question is if a kde 4 session runs without $PATH set to /usrlib/kde4.., I suspect it won't
[16:59] <yuriy> hmm the kde 4 entries don't work for me, except for konsole o_O
[17:00] <yuriy> oh nvm i think it's just konqueror and system settings that don't work, dolphin works
[17:01] <fdoving> Riddell: won't the environment need to change between sessions anyway? - how will the config-files be handled?
[17:02] <Riddell> fdoving: that's set by a patch to kdelibs
[17:02] <Riddell> yuriy: you may have old versions of the packages
[17:03] <Riddell> yuriy: what's your version of konqueror-kde4?
[17:03] <fdoving> Riddell: k. good.
[17:03] <fdoving> Riddell: do you patch it to look for $KDE4HOME or similar instead of $KDEHOME?
[17:03] <yuriy> oh indeed 3.98... i thought that got upgraded. my bad.
[17:03] <Riddell> fdoving: no, just set to ~/.kde4
[17:04] <fdoving> Riddell: that won't work. because you will be able to start for example kde3 appps from within a kde4 session.
[17:05] <yuriy> fdoving: isn't that what we want?
[17:05] <Riddell> fdoving: ? we want to be able to do that
[17:05] <fdoving> Riddell: once you start some kde3 app kded and all from kde3 will be started, with the wrong $KDEHOME.
[17:05] <Riddell> fdoving: no, they use ~/.kde
[17:05] <fdoving> Riddell: not with $KDEHOME set to ~/.kde4
[17:05] <fdoving> from within a kde4 session.
[17:06] <Riddell> fdoving: well no, so don't set KDEHOME
[17:07] <fdoving> Riddell: it will be set if it's unset. won't it? i belive startkde fixes that.
[17:07] <Riddell> no
[17:07] <Jucato> patched kdelibs right?
[17:07] <Riddell> Jucato: yes
[17:08] <Jucato> the question is the -kde4 wrapper scripts... don't they set $KDEHOME to ~/.kde4? or only for that particular app?
[17:09] <Riddell> well they only run that app
[17:09] <Jucato> ok...
[17:09] <Riddell> but they shouldn't need $KDEHOME set in there, I just havn't had time to test it without them
[17:10] <Jucato> ah :)
[17:10] <Jucato> oh btw, kpackage-kde4 needs to depend on smartpm-core
[17:10] <fdoving> it would be a one-liner to make kde4 look for $KDE4HOME before $KDEHOME, and use it if it exists. it's the same file you change to make ~/.kde4 the default.
[17:10] <Jucato> -        localKdeDir =  QDir::homePath() + "/.kde/";
[17:10] <Jucato> +        localKdeDir =  QDir::homePath() + "/.kde4/";
[17:10] <yuriy> hmm so plasma doesn't seem to deal well with resolution changes when desktop effects are on..
[17:11] <Jucato> (kdelibs4 patch to kdecore/kernel/kstandarddirs.cpp)
[17:11] <yuriy> (or i geuss it's kwin)
[17:16] <nosrednaekim> ok, for the desktop-effects wizard, when we enable compiz when it has been previously disabled, should we automatically run "compiz --replace" or  should we wait for next login?
[17:19]  * Jucato wonders why kpackage suddenly started to depend on smartpm...
[17:20] <nosrednaekim> it uses smart
[17:22] <Jucato> yeah.. it seems it started to in kde4... but it isn't a depends yet in our package so... :)
[17:29]  * buz reports success in loading and playing with 4.0
[17:30] <buz> on a separate account anyway
[17:32] <Riddell> \sh: can you upload to main these days?
[17:34] <\sh> Riddell: nope :)
[17:34] <Riddell> \sh: so do you have libgif transition patches that need uploding or is someone doing that?
[17:34] <\sh> Riddell: I applied for motuship yesterday again..I don't know when I will apply for main again :)
[17:34] <\sh> Riddell: sure
[17:35] <\sh> Riddell: there are patches ready from me....
[17:35] <\sh> Riddell: if you or someone else has time, please upload...I need to fix two more packages...but one is waiting for a fixed gdal, and simage needs a fix inside aclocal.m4
[17:45] <nixternal> kwwii: pong
[17:46] <nixternal> Riddell: I will fix the copyrights with an update...don't how the heck I missed that one...I wonder if I copied and pasted the wrong one maybe
[17:47] <nixternal> adding the meeting to the fridge
[17:49] <kwwii> nixternal: no worries, problem solved
[17:49] <nixternal> k
[17:52] <\sh> kwwii: what are you doing on January 26th?
[17:53] <kwwii> \sh: I'll be coming home from London, why?
[17:55] <\sh> kwwii: hmm...there is a birthday party happening in karlsruhe ;)
[17:55] <\sh> kwwii: I thought to invite some people from the OSS universe ;)
[17:55] <kwwii> hehe, wish I could be there but I don't fly into Nuernberg until the evening and karlsruhe is a couple of hours away
[17:56] <kwwii> early happy birthday wishes though ;-)
[17:56] <\sh> kwwii: right ;)
[17:56] <\sh> kwwii: bah, wish me that tomorrow morning ;)
[17:57] <kwwii> been years since I had a birthday party, I should do that again this year
[17:57] <kwwii> if anyone is interested, we are having an art team meeting in a couple of minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[17:58] <nosrednaekim> kwwii: whats disccussed in one of the,?
[17:58] <nosrednaekim> *them
[17:58] <kwwii> nosrednaekim: art stuff :p
[17:58] <nosrednaekim> eh, I'll see what its like :)
[17:58] <kwwii> there are not any agenda items for kubuntu though
[18:03] <buz> ok so the kde4.0 debs work,now on to figure out how to get my settings back
[18:19] <nosrednaekim> can you go straight from rc2 to final.... or do you have to uninstall rc2 first?
[18:20] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: I think there will be some overlapping icon files
[18:20] <Riddell> nothing --force-overwrite can't handle
[18:21] <nosrednaekim> ok
[18:22] <hunger> Is there a meta package to install all of kde4?
[18:22] <hunger> kubuntu-desktop-kde4 or something?
[18:22] <jpatrick> "kde4" in hardy
[18:23] <Riddell> kde4-core for the base
[18:24] <nosrednaekim> Riddell:  for activating desktop effects, you we want to run "compiz --replace" as soon as they activate them in the GUI or should we wait until next login?
[18:24] <hunger> kdebase-bin-kde3 conflicts with kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4. Is that ok?
[18:25] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: having them immediately would be best
[18:25] <Riddell> hunger: it's intended, that's the files that can be swapped for each other
[18:25] <nosrednaekim> ok
[18:29] <bigon> is it possible to tell cmake to look for kde4 in /usr/lib/kde4 and tell him to install in an other path?
[18:29] <Riddell> bigon: yes, if there's a way to do that
[18:29] <Riddell> oh, you're asking if there is
[18:29] <bigon> and how to do that
[18:30] <Riddell> bigon: try -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4 ?
[18:31] <bigon> yeah but it will install everithing in /usr/lib/kde4
[18:32] <bigon> what I whould like is ie: -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt and tell cmake that kde4 is in /usr/lib/kde4
[18:32] <nixternal> Riddell: if you ever sneak into the Ubuntu offices, snag me one of those messanger bags, those are pretty sharp :p
[18:33] <nixternal> would be nice if they offered Kubuntu items in the Ubuntu store...granted it is kind of high for me to purchase here in the US, but I would purchase a good Kubuntu shirt
[18:33] <Riddell> nixternal: messanger bags?  Ubuntu offices?
[18:33] <davmor2> just hand them out Riddell Why don't you :D
[18:33] <nixternal> Canonical offices, sorry about that...ya, they have messanger bags in the Ubuntu store...matt revell just linked to them in his recent LP Logo post
[18:34] <Riddell> bigon: possibly you can then set -DLIB_INSTALL_DIR=/opt -DBIN_INSTALL_DIR=/opt, I don't know
[18:35] <buz> hmm kopete-kde4 complains about missing QCA TLS plugin
[18:36] <Riddell> buz: try installing libqca2-plugin-ossl
[18:37] <buz> No candidate version found for libqca2-plugin-ossl
[18:37] <buz> aptitude search only finds libqca2 itself, no plugins for it
[18:37] <buz> (thats on gutsy)
[18:37] <Riddell> ah, maybe it needs backported then
[18:39] <buz> should probably be a dependency of kopete-kde4, also
[18:39] <yuriy> hmm kopete-kde4 works for me on gutsy
[18:39] <buz> yuriy: try using tls to connect to a jabber server
[18:39] <buz> without tls, it works fine
[18:39] <yuriy> ah ok
[18:39] <buz> well except for that fact that i cant really figure out where it dug out that old history :P
[18:42] <Riddell> what languages do we want on this live CD?
[18:42] <davmor2> english
[18:42] <Riddell> good idea
[18:43] <nosrednaekim> I think British would be a good idea
[18:44] <Riddell> got that
[18:45]  * ScottK suspects German would be popular for a KDE Live CD ;-)
[18:45] <Riddell> 20MB of german, those are some long words they have
[18:46] <yuriy> spanish, french.. are we looking beyond the obvious ones or is it really restricted?
[18:46] <nosrednaekim> Chech(sp?) for mhb :)
[18:46] <xRaich[o]2x> hmmm just testing kopete-kde4. i can't set up any accounts
[18:47] <buz> xRaich[o]2x: what type of account?
[18:47] <buz> clicking on add account works for me
[18:47] <xRaich[o]2x> any. there are none to choose from. no icq no xmpp no whatever
[18:48] <buz> thats weird
[18:48] <buz> i see them all
[18:48] <xRaich[o]2x> worked fine on rc2
[18:48] <xRaich[o]2x> hmm
[18:48] <xRaich[o]2x> strange
[18:48] <buz> i did purge all kde4 stuff before i installed 4.0
[18:48] <xRaich[o]2x> nope
[18:48] <xRaich[o]2x> i didn't
[18:49] <buz> i figured that was probably helping, seeing just how rc2 would not work without it :P
[18:51] <xRaich[o]2x> so purging does the trick?
[18:51] <buz> could do
[18:51] <buz> mhh most kde3 apps simply crash upon starting
[18:51] <buz> which is pretty bad :P
[18:52] <Riddell> imbrandon: did you manage to integrate qyoto into kdebindings?
[18:53] <xRaich[o]2x> still not possible to set up any accounts
[18:53] <buz> xRaich[o]2x: what happens when you try to start kopete-kde3?
[18:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: kde4libs 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1 finished building 3h ago, does it always take that loong until a package hits the archive? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1/+build/488203
[18:54] <xRaich[o]2x> buz: works finde
[18:54] <xRaich[o]2x> fine
[18:54] <buz> hmmm crashes for me
[18:54] <buz> as do a lot of other kde3 apps
[18:54] <buz> amarok works, but konqui3 and akregator do not
[18:55] <xRaich[o]2x> works for me
[18:56] <buz> weird
[18:57] <xRaich[o]2x> everything works flawless just kopete is acting weird but that doesn't really surprise me ^^
[18:57] <buz> well in my case kopete is loading weird history files :P
[18:57] <buz> but other than that it works
[18:57] <buz> and i occasionally get errors like klauncher could not launch "path" but the app comes up fine
[18:57] <xRaich[o]2x> yep i get those too
[18:58] <buz> and very weird, lyx gets an entry in the taskbar, but its completely empty, no icon, no name
[18:59] <buz> ah now its there
[19:02] <buz> hmm now akregator came up without any hitch
[19:10] <buz> xRaich[o]2x: any chance you see the could not launch messages when you hit ctrl-enter but not with enter?
[19:10] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea
[19:13] <xRaich[o]2x> buz: i didn't really get the message anymore
[19:13] <Riddell> imbrandon: I see kdebindings is moving forward in debian, might be an idea to try and get that into debian
[19:14] <Riddell> nixternal: fancy knocking up a quick alpha 3 page?  I can't actually think of anything to put in it though
[19:14] <Basher_> Get paid to click on website-link. i make 90$ a week doing nothing rofl, check out http://bux.to/?r=basher11
[19:15] <yuriy> hardy alpha 3? isn't KDE 4.0.0 FINAL something to put in there?
[19:15] <xRaich[o]2x> hrmm no usable output when starting kopete in konsole
[19:15] <Riddell> yuriy: yes, it would be.  is that you volunteering to make the page? :)
[19:17]  * yuriy isn't very good at marketing speak, and isn't using hardy. but ok, where do I start?
[19:17] <Riddell> yuriy: copy the Alpha 2 page
[19:17] <Riddell> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha2/Kubuntu
[19:19] <davmor2> Riddell: does that mean your getting ready?
[19:19] <nixternal> Riddell: sure
[19:19] <Riddell> davmor2: dunno actually, I've not heard anything, about it's due today
[19:20] <nixternal> Riddell: been a while since you had to op up and boot someone ey :)
[19:20] <jpatrick> *!*n=Basher@88.197.232.*
[19:21] <jpatrick> if he/she/it resets their router they can come back
[19:22] <nixternal> yuriy: you got the release notes then?
[19:22]  * nixternal can go back to doing nothing
[19:22] <davmor2> Riddell: no it's in two days according to the counter I just wondered if the site prep meant you were getting ready :)
[19:23] <yuriy> hehe Note to bloggers: experimental packages do not indicate taking a clear position.
[19:24] <yuriy> don't really know what i'm doing...
[19:24] <yuriy> nixternal: all yours
[19:24] <Riddell> davmor2: oh, KDE 4?  that's tomorrow
[19:25] <davmor2> so testing soon right?
[19:25] <Riddell> davmor2: for some reason they never made a 1 day to go counter image so it's stuck on 2
[19:25] <Riddell> davmor2: there's packages in hardy and gutsy ppa for testing
[19:25] <Riddell> davmor2: I'm making the live CD now
[19:25] <yuriy> oh that's what's going on with that picture
[19:26] <davmor2> Riddell: okay cool so what about 2 hoursish?
[19:26] <Riddell> davmor2: about that
[19:26] <davmor2> righto np
[19:36]  * yuriy makes his own image
[19:53] <nosrednaekim> ok, it starts up compiz when you hit apply :), now, is it good behavior for the app to close when you hit apply?
[19:55] <yuriy> why does it close?
[19:56] <nosrednaekim> cause I told it to ;)
[19:57] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: no, don't close it
[19:57] <Riddell> close on OK
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> ok, i'll add an ok button, thanks.
[20:00] <Riddell> anyone else have random broken italics in places, such as planet.kde.org in konqueror-kde4?
[20:04] <hunger> installing kde4 will remove libgif in favour for libungif. Is that intended?
[20:05] <jpatrick> I think it's the transition
[20:05] <hunger> jpatrick: Wasen't the transition from libungif to libgif once the patent ran out?
[20:05] <jpatrick> yeah, I think that was it
[20:06] <hunger> Dunno. I had to install libgif since I could not find libungif-dev when building kde4 myself.
[20:08] <hunger> Hmmm... actually it is memcoder that forces libungif, not kde4.
[20:10] <Riddell> mplayer failed to compile I think
[20:10] <Riddell> for an unrelated issue
[20:10] <hunger> Yeap, looks like.
[20:31] <yuriy> was alpha 2 before the non-LTS announdement?
[20:49] <iRon> yuriy: why you asking?
[20:52] <yuriy> something should probably be written about it in the release notes
[20:53] <iRon> but it is just an alpha.. who cares about LTS in alpha?
[20:54] <yuriy> well the release notes are basically news and progress of hardy between this alpha and the last one
[20:55] <iRon> oh i see
[20:56] <yuriy> alpha 2 release notes say: The focus for 8.04 for the Kubuntu community will be stability
[20:56] <yuriy> which isn't quite accurate anymore
[20:56] <jpatrick> yuriy: I think it was before..
[20:58] <jpatrick> Riddell: should I add KDE4 gutsy-backports to #kubuntu topic?
[21:11] <Riddell> jpatrick: not yet, they don't exist until tomorrow morning
[21:12] <Riddell> jpatrick: although backports do need testing, I've been using the ppa so far
[21:12] <Riddell> not sure what's compiled in backports currently
[21:12] <mhb> hello folks
[21:12] <jpatrick> Riddell: right
[21:12] <mhb> is there a KDE4 countdown?
[21:13] <Riddell> mhb: that gets pretty dangerous, things could still go wrong
[21:14] <mhb> ah
[21:14] <mhb> so no countdown
[21:14] <Riddell> 3:38:56 ETA
[21:14] <Riddell> is my current one for uploading the iso though :)
[21:14] <Riddell> need more upstream...
[21:16] <mhb> Riddell: I've thought in the bus about doing a second phase to the Kubuntu Tutorials Day
[21:16] <emonkey> good evening
[21:17] <jpatrick> good evening emonkey
[21:17] <emonkey> Does anybody know something about a announcement about kde4 which we can translate for kubuntu-de.org ?
[21:17] <mhb> like Novell had a hack week, we could do a hack session too, perhaps 24 hours so we'd be a bit different... what's your opinion?
[21:18] <mhb> 24 hours of intense hacking on bugs & miniprojects which would the users and the participating people suggest
[21:18] <emonkey> We've got already prewritten a news about it, but we don't know anything about gutsy and KDE4
[21:19] <jpatrick> emonkey: in gutsy-backports tomorrow hopefully :)
[21:19] <mhb> emonkey: what would you like to know?
[21:19] <mhb> emonkey: yes, gutsy backports
[21:19] <mhb> also in a PPA I presume
[21:19] <mhb> there will be a KDE4 CD, too
[21:19] <mhb> Riddell's baby
[21:20] <mhb> (I mean Gutsy CD)
[21:20] <emonkey> mhb, It would be cool to know if there will be a news about the packages on kubuntu.org which we can translate nad integrate in our prewritten news about the release of KDE 4
[21:21] <mhb> emonkey: ah, marketing talk ... I don't do that :o)
[21:21] <emonkey> :) ok, but maybe you know who I can ask about it?
[21:22] <mhb> Riddell or nixternal should know
[21:22] <emonkey> ok, thank you, I'll ask them if I see them being active here. :)
[21:23] <Riddell> emonkey: hi, I'll be making the 4.0 announce page shortly so you can translate that
[21:23] <Riddell> it's mostly technical rather than marketing
[21:24] <mhb> Riddell: what do you think about my suggestion?
[21:24] <Riddell> mhb: hmm, there's only so much you can get done in 24 hours
[21:25]  * txwikinger thinks about starting an petition to th eprime minister for a 48h day
[21:25] <jpatrick> mhb: won't we have to teach them all how to do the stuff first?
[21:25] <emonkey> Riddell, that's ok, just like the others news about the packages, isn't it?
[21:25] <mhb> jpatrick: well, depends on what you'd like to achieve
[21:26] <mhb> jpatrick: I think it would be more of an incentive to get the medium contributers back again
[21:26] <mhb> open source development suffers from the fact that there's nobody looking over your shoulder, no deadline etc.
[21:27] <mhb> in 24 hours, you can achieve as much as you want to
[21:27] <jpatrick> right
[21:27] <mhb> let's say I fix 10 bugs in KDE applications and port gdebi-kde to KDE4.
[21:28] <mhb> it's not much, but it's more than some people will do in the whole release cycle
[21:28] <mhb> such a hack session would be about setting your goal and not letting go until it's finished
[21:28] <mhb> not slacking off
[21:28] <mhb> that's my vision
[21:28] <mikkael> are there translations ofr kde4 yet available ?
[21:29] <mhb> if you have the idea, I can do a personal one, no problem.
[21:29] <mhb> err, s/have/hate
[21:29] <jpatrick> mikkael: there is a kde-l10n-de package
[21:29] <iRon> mhb: personaly i like your idea.. i starts contributing to project after Kubuntu Tutorials Day..
[21:29] <jpatrick> mhb: I like it :)
[21:29] <jpatrick> mikkael: kde-l10n-de | 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu2~gutsy1~ppa1 | http://ppa.launchpad.net gutsy/main Packages
[21:30] <mikkael> jpatrick: thank you
[21:30] <jpatrick> mikkael: bitte
[21:31] <jjesse_> msg nickserv identify jes478SE
[21:31] <mhb> jpatrick: I'd like people to go and suggest small improvements and bugs I could do/fix, and then making some of em happy
[21:31] <jpatrick> jjesse_: change password FAST
[21:32] <mhb> :o)
[21:32] <emonkey> or you will be ghostet soon :P
[21:32] <jjesse_> awesome
[21:32] <jjesse_> i've done this before :)
[21:33] <mhb> jjesse_: smart boy
[21:33] <mhb> jjesse_: not irony
[21:33]  * stdin wakes up and wonders why it's dark out 
[21:33] <jjesse_> tornado watch here again :)
[21:34] <jpatrick> stdin: you've spent to much time watching KDE4 package builds...
[21:34] <mhb> jjesse_: you do have separate passwords for irssi and ssh, which makes you a smart boy :o)
[21:34] <jjesse_> mhb yes i do
[21:34] <mhb> jjesse_: I know
[21:34] <jjesse_> did you try?
[21:34] <mhb> jjesse_: yes, sorry... I was curious.
[21:34] <jjesse_> mhb i understand no problems
[21:34] <stdin> jpatrick: then I fell asleep, for ~12 hours
[21:35] <stdin> I was only planning on a nap
[21:36] <jpatrick> stdin: the dream is reality...
[21:36] <mikkael> jpatrick: will those language packs work on hardy too ?
[21:36] <jpatrick> mikkael: the language packs are in hardy
[21:37] <mikkael> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive gutsy ?!
[21:37] <jpatrick> mikkael: yeah and uploaded to hardy
[21:37] <stdin> mikkael: and in the normal archive
[21:37]  * buz is stumped
[21:38] <buz> composited desktop running for 2hours without any hitch
[21:39] <xRaich[o]2x> hmm i can't get the updated kdemultimedia packages from ppa
[21:39] <xRaich[o]2x> buz: composited desktop ran for more than 10 hours here ;)
[21:39] <jpatrick> xRaich[o]2x: give stdin a break ;)
[21:40] <xRaich[o]2x> jpatrick: no refuse to do that ^^
[21:40] <jpatrick> xRaich[o]2x: joking ;)
[21:40] <xRaich[o]2x> no seriously. where can i file bugs for the ppa packages
[21:40] <xRaich[o]2x> kopete is acting weird
[21:40] <stdin> xRaich[o]2x: why can't you?
[21:40] <xRaich[o]2x> since it's a weird piece of software
[21:40] <xRaich[o]2x> stdin: what can't i do what?
[21:41] <xRaich[o]2x> upgrade?
[21:41] <stdin> [21:39]  <xRaich[o]2x> hmm i can't get the updated kdemultimedia packages from ppa
[21:41] <jpatrick> stdin: kdemultimedia-kde4 | 4:3.98.0~svn755919-1ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa2 | http://ppa.launchpad.net gutsy/main Packages
[21:41] <stdin> 386 build of kdemultimedia-kde4 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa2 in ubuntu hardy RELEASE  Build started 4 hours ago on iridium (xen-i386) and finished 4 hours ago taking 12 minutes
[21:42] <jpatrick> hmm, I just updated sources and same..
[21:42] <xRaich[o]2x> i updated a dozen of times. it still doesn't work
[21:42] <xRaich[o]2x> dunno why
[21:42] <xRaich[o]2x> thought that's weird so i asked
[21:43] <xRaich[o]2x> another weird thing is that kopete cannot create any accounts
[21:44] <xRaich[o]2x> when i say add account there are no protocols to choose from
[21:46] <stdin> wait, no I'm being 1/2 asleep still, "ubuntu hardy RELEASE"  is not "ubuntu gutsy RELEASE"
[21:47] <xRaich[o]2x> i'm not trying to push you ;) just wanted to know where i can file the bugs for later fixing
[21:48] <xRaich[o]2x> you are doing a great work with packaging. i don't mind if it takes longer
[21:49] <stdin> for the PPA packages you could either mail the list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com or do it via LP, but it could get confusing which packages are effected, PPA or universe
[21:50] <danimo> hi
[21:51] <xRaich[o]2x> i guess i'll mail the list. seems less confusing for the devs
[21:51] <jpatrick> hi danimo
[21:52] <danimo> hi
[21:52] <danimo> will KDE 4.0.0 be in backports tomorrow?
[21:52] <danimo> or will it just have an extra repo?
[21:53] <jpatrick> danimo: yes, hopefully tomorrow (building now)
[21:53] <danimo> jpatrick: ah, so not yet
[21:53] <jpatrick> danimo: no, but asap, nice cloak btw
[21:55] <Tm_T> ?
[21:55] <danimo> jpatrick: I'm KDE staff, so not that amazing, but I was curious anyway, since this will be my first non-self-built KDE 4  packages :)
[21:55] <jpatrick> Tm_T: ahoy
[21:55] <Tm_T> danimo: heh, your cloak is simple
[21:56] <danimo> Tm_T: I think in order to get "kde" without the ".developer", you need to be e.V. member or such
[21:56] <danimo> that's about it
[21:56] <jpatrick> danimo: you can grab them from the PPA if you want
[21:57] <danimo> PPA?
[21:57] <jpatrick> Personal Package Archive
[21:57] <jpatrick> danimo: sudo -s; echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; exit; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-dev
[21:57]  * danimo just stumbled across http://games.kde.org/new/ -- wow
[21:57] <Tm_T> danimo: I know
[21:58] <Tm_T> danimo: seen mine?
[21:58] <jpatrick> haha
[21:58] <danimo> Tm_T: what?
[21:58] <Tm_T> danimo: my cloak
[21:58] <danimo> Tm_T: yeah
[21:59] <Tm_T> danimo: yours is simple
[21:59]  * danimo has enough to do with that single one affiliation
[21:59] <danimo> (and real-life ones)
[21:59] <Tm_T> danimo: oh, just if you knew... ;)
[21:59]  * apachelogger notes: kdm-kde4 is totall b0rked, woohoooo
[21:59] <Tm_T> son, hug it
[21:59] <apachelogger> nah
[21:59] <mhb> woohoo?
[21:59] <apachelogger> it's pure crap
[21:59] <apachelogger> kicked it from the system
how do you enable a cloak? </noob>
[22:01] <jpatrick> yuriy: freenode staff
[22:01] <apachelogger> depends on the cloak really ;-)
[22:01] <jpatrick> yuriy: ask nalioth in #ubuntu-ops for an ubuntu/member one
[22:02] <yuriy> is there a kubuntu/member one?
[22:02] <jpatrick> no, we use the same ones..
[22:02] <yuriy> aww
[22:02] <jpatrick> we should all have: kde/kubuntu/ ones
[22:03] <yuriy> lol emonkey
[22:04]  * ScottK would need a kubuntu/ubuntu-server/but-definitely-not-gnome cloak then.
[22:04] <emonkey> yuriy, ;)
[22:07]  * apachelogger hugs emonkey
[22:07]  * emonkey hugs apachelogger back :)
[22:08] <apachelogger> hm
[22:08] <apachelogger> anyone knows why my -kde4 apps have no icons?
[22:09] <jpatrick> apachelogger: you're not in KDE4?
[22:09] <apachelogger> I am
[22:09] <jpatrick> I have no idea then
[22:09]  * apachelogger investigates
[22:10] <stdin> apachelogger: you wouldn't be on amd64 would you?
[22:10] <apachelogger> nope
[22:10] <apachelogger> are the icons supposed to be in hicolor?
[22:11] <stdin> ah, bacause amd64 didn't build until recently
[22:12] <apachelogger> here is the scope: the desktop files from the PPA actually refer to /usr/lib/kde/share/icons/hicolor for the icons, but they are actually almost all in oxygen
[22:13] <apachelogger> this can't be healthy
[22:13] <jpatrick> we need oxygen
[22:14] <danimo> apachelogger: so upgrading to PPA is not a good idea yet? :)
[22:14] <apachelogger> danimo: well, everything works, you just have no icons in kickoff etc.
[22:14] <danimo> urgh
[22:15] <apachelogger> i.e. for all application references which relay on the .desktop file
[22:15] <danimo> do KDE 4 applications have their own $KDEHOME?
[22:15] <apachelogger> yes
[22:15] <jpatrick> ~/.kde4
[22:15] <danimo> apachelogger: how is that achived?
[22:15] <apachelogger> danimo: I think by patch
[22:15] <jpatrick> danimo: kdelibs patch
[22:15] <danimo> ah, ok
[22:16] <danimo> that's cool
[22:17] <apachelogger> well
[22:18] <apachelogger> this is no good
[22:18] <apachelogger> apparently KDE still ships old icons
[22:18] <danimo> apachelogger: yes, somehow they (we) do
[22:18] <apachelogger> we actually install them for hicolor
[22:18] <apachelogger> and by default we use these hicolors
[22:18] <danimo> apachelogger: but the iconloader should ultimately default to oxygen
[22:18] <apachelogger> well
[22:18] <apachelogger> danimo: the paths are static
[22:19] <danimo> apachelogger: huh?
[22:19] <apachelogger> since everything for kde4 is placed in /usr/lib/kde4
[22:19] <apachelogger> to not cause any conflict with kde3 stuff
[22:19] <danimo> apachelogger: ah, ok, so this is an ubuntu magic
[22:19] <danimo> apachelogger: I was just going to look it up
[22:19] <apachelogger> I wouldn't call it magic since it doesn't work properly ;-)
[22:19] <danimo> apachelogger: even magic can go bad
[22:20] <apachelogger> then it's not magic IMHO
[22:20] <apachelogger> bad trick or something
[22:20] <Tm_T> apachelogger: yes?
[22:21] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhmy
[22:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[22:21] <seele> What is the difference between being a Kubuntu member and not?
[22:21] <apachelogger> I think we should remove +		| sed 's,Icon=,Icon=/usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/,' \
[22:21] <danimo> apachelogger: heh
[22:21] <apachelogger> though
[22:21] <apachelogger> hmmmm
[22:22]  * apachelogger tends to think it will not work in KDE3
[22:22] <danimo> apachelogger: well, no
[22:22] <danimo> just replace hicolor by oxygen
[22:22] <apachelogger> *head meets table*
[22:22] <apachelogger> yeah
[22:22] <danimo> otoh...
[22:22] <danimo> the icon loader should look for oxygen icons by default
[22:22] <apachelogger> danimo: not the kde3 one
[22:22] <jpatrick> seele: recognition for contributions I guess
[22:23] <danimo> so IF /usr/lib/kde4 is part of KDEDIRS, then it's fine
[22:23] <stdin> it is
[22:23] <danimo> apachelogger: ah,  right
[22:23] <apachelogger> stdin: only for kde4
[22:23] <danimo> apachelogger: we want to allow KDE 3 to show icons correctly
[22:23] <stdin> apachelogger: KDEDIRS is a kde4 only variable, so yes
[22:23] <apachelogger> well
[22:24] <apachelogger> we just need to change the debian/rules for -kde4 packages
[22:24] <danimo> stdin: that's not true
[22:24] <apachelogger> to use oxygen instead of hicolor
[22:24] <seele> jpatrick: ok thx
[22:24] <apachelogger> since all the app icons should end up there
[22:24] <stdin> danimo: kde3 used KDEDIR yes?
[22:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: hi
[22:24] <apachelogger> Ahoy captain Riddell
[22:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: currently the icons for most apps don't work
[22:25] <danimo> stdin: no, KDE1 did
[22:25] <danimo> stdin: KDEDIRS is recommended since at least KDE 3, if not 2
[22:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: since we use a static icon path to hicolor, though all the icons are in oxygen
[22:25] <Riddell> seele: it's mostly symbolic of ones significant contribution, the practical side is that you can get on planet, occationally vote on community council or tech board members and apply to be a MOTU
[22:25] <seele> Riddell: ok, thx
[22:26] <seele> i think i'm a member, but i didn't know what it meant
[22:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: so we need to change the debian/rules to use | sed 's,Icon=,Icon=/usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/oxygen/32x32/apps/,' \  ... in case some app icon doesn't get installed there, we would need to fix it there, but the majority goes to oxygen I think
[22:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, it's an issue
[22:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: most icons should be installed to hicolour but the generic (or sometimes broken ones) aren't
[22:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: the idea is to have the oxygen icon show up in kde 3 but of course kde 3 doesn't look in /usr/lib/kde4..
[22:27] <apachelogger> yeah, though right now it doesn't show it for KDE3 nor KDE4
[22:27] <apachelogger> since the files simply don't exist
[22:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: it works for some, probably even most, but there's a fair number it's broken for
[22:28] <apachelogger> Oo
[22:28] <apachelogger> how can this work?
[22:29] <Riddell> more clever scripting in debian/rules to make it work out where the icon actually is
[22:29] <apachelogger> hm
[22:29]  * apachelogger senses a headache :P
[22:35] <davmor2> Riddell: is the iso ready?
[22:36] <Riddell> davmor2: yes but seems I miscalculated my upstream bandwidth, it'll be another couple of hours yet according to ssh
[22:36] <davmor2> oooooppppssss
[22:36] <Riddell> sorry about that
[22:37] <davmor2> Np  what the link for it once it's up?
[22:37] <stdin> Riddell: looks like that debdiff for kdewebdev-kde4 only fixed i386 builds, still doesn't run common-post-build-arch:: or install/kdewebdev-kde4:: parts of debian/rules
[22:37] <davmor2> If I'm still awake I can set the dl and try it first thing
[22:40] <Riddell>  /msg'ed
[22:40] <danimo> re
[22:40] <danimo> hmm, from a KDE 3 session, KDE 4 apps don't see the KDE 4 Qt plugins (like styles)
[22:42] <danimo> apachelogger: can you reproduce that?
[22:43]  * apachelogger has no KDE3 on the laptop :P
[22:43] <apachelogger> deleted that in december already
[22:43]  * Tm_T has no KDE on the laptop
[22:44] <danimo> startkde sets the plugin path
[22:44] <danimo> QT_PLUGIN_PATH, that is
[22:45]  * mhb has a lot of KDE on the laptop
[22:46] <Riddell> starting kde 4 apps in kde 3 has the kde 4 style for me
[22:46] <jpatrick> same for me
[22:46] <Tm_T> mhb: like to guess what I do have in my laptop?
[22:46] <iRon> Tm_T: wmii2 ?
[22:46] <mhb> Windows? Apple? No laptop?
[22:47] <Riddell> _czessi: do you know who's doing the kubuntu-de.org announce?
[22:47] <mhb> Riddell: umm
[22:48] <mhb> Riddell: emonkey asked you about it, isn't he doing it?
[22:48] <jjesse_> newyear55
[22:48] <Riddell> mhb: aye but he left
[22:48] <Tm_T> Windows 3.11 <3
[22:49] <danimo> odd, marble wants libgps.15,  but gutsy has .16
[22:49] <danimo> yet no conflicts
[22:51] <danimo> apachelogger: can you add libgps.15 as dependency for marble?
[22:54] <apachelogger> danimo: I see no dep on libgps.15 in marble-kde4
[22:56] <danimo> ah, there is marble and marble-kde4
[22:56] <danimo> odd
[22:56] <Riddell> marble is the old qt only version
[22:56] <danimo> oh, ok
[23:03] <claydoh> what no tetris clone for kde4??? the wife will be shocked :)
[23:03] <claydoh> she likes the look of the kde4 games
[23:35] <Riddell> Vorian, nixternal: whatever happened to ktorrent-kde4?
[23:35] <Vorian> Riddell: where do you want it?
[23:35] <Vorian> :)
[23:36]  * Vorian just gets back from work
[23:36] <nixternal> Riddell: I think KTorrent was the one I said to just do uupdate on and upload when you were ready
[23:36] <Riddell> Vorian: in hardy :)
[23:36] <Vorian> lol
[23:36] <Riddell> nixternal: nope, that wes plasma-extragear
[23:36] <nixternal> ahh
[23:36] <Riddell> Vorian: put it on a web server somewhere
[23:36] <Vorian> k
[23:36] <nixternal> ya, that was the one Vorian was working on...forgot about that :)
[23:37] <Vorian> lol
[23:37] <nixternal> so it is his fault!!!! WOOT ISN"T MINE FOR ONCE!
[23:37] <Vorian> nixternal: I can't figure the other two out
[23:37] <nixternal> what were the other 2?
[23:37] <nixternal> kpov and li*
[23:37] <Vorian> ligature
[23:37] <nixternal> something or other
[23:37] <Vorian> yah
[23:37] <nixternal> k, I will take a look at ligature here in a sec
[23:39] <Vorian> doh!
[23:39] <Vorian> Riddell: it's gonna be on my ppa
[23:43] <nixternal> is ligature the new kdvi by chance?
[23:45] <Riddell> nixternal: new kghostview
[23:46] <Riddell> it's largly redundant to okular
[23:46] <nixternal> hrmm, all of its documentation says &kdvi;
[23:46] <nixternal> ya, and hasn't been updated since 2004 really
[23:48] <Riddell> kdvi is a fork of kghostview, and ligature brings them together.  something like that
[23:49] <nixternal> ahhhh, that makes sense
[23:49] <nixternal> NOT! :p
[23:49] <nixternal> Okular is pretty pimpin' though
[23:50] <nixternal> hopefully I can build some stuff tonight...last night all hell broke loose with 3.98.0 build-deps
[23:50] <mhb> Riddell: any news on the python-kde4 konsole plugin? Do you happen to know whether it exists or not?
[23:50] <mhb> Riddell: especially in our packages
[23:50] <mhb> konsole kpart
[23:50] <mhb> well the thing we all need for our python thingies to work
[23:50] <Riddell> mhb: I heard that the konsole plugin bits had all been removed in 4.0 and should come back for 4.1
[23:50] <Riddell> dunno if that's true or not
[23:51] <mhb> that would be a shame
[23:52] <Riddell> yes indeed
[23:53] <nixternal> ryanakca: http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/mockup1.svg
[23:53] <ryanakca> nixternal: thanks :)
[23:53] <nixternal> np
[23:58] <mhb> ryanakca: going to work on that?
[23:58] <ryanakca> mhb: ask the world?
[23:58] <mhb> ah
[23:58] <mhb> okies