[00:00] <terran4000> nexamac: scour your /var/log/kernel and messages for the any "snd_XYZ" problems
[00:00] <terran4000> if you have a similar messages in your logs then we could have just been thrown a bone!
[00:00] <nexamac> >_>
[00:01] <terran4000> o.O why is my cat eating my chips? WTF! Anywho fincan: sorry, I don't  understand.
[00:01] <fincan> terran4000: after booting livecd or installed ubuntu on the other hdd, I must shutdown pc because in raid boot screen one of the raid membered hdd seems as offline till shutdown
[00:01] <terran4000> fincan: what raid boot screen?
[00:02] <fincan> terran4000: next screen after bios's 1
[00:03] <terran4000> ah
[00:04] <terran4000> fincan: ok, so ... if you boot into ubuntu (live cd or one installed on another hd) and once you reboot the HD will not show up in the raid thingy on boot correct?
[00:04]  * terran4000 hopes what he just said made sense
[00:05] <fincan> terran4000: yeap :)
[00:05] <terran4000> ok, that's just plain weird.
[00:05] <terran4000> The fact that I made sense that is.
[00:06] <terran4000> ok ok ...
[00:06] <terran4000> So
[00:07] <terran4000> if you have everything setup fine, and the drive shows up in the raid thingy at boot ... but then you boot to a live cd, do nothing in there and just reboot, the drive won't show up anymore.
[00:07] <fincan> terran4000: there was another odd thing, I had not had any problem with 7.10 beta or alpha :)
[00:07] <terran4000> fincan: Do you have a dedicated raid card or are you using the 'onboard' raid controller that is part of the motherboard?
[00:07] <fincan> onboard 1, ich8 intel
[00:08] <terran4000> ok,
[00:08] <fincan> terran4000: and still no problem with 6.10 :)
[00:08] <terran4000> one thing I can say from experience ... don't use it and completely ignore any 'raid' stuff the motherboard gives ya
[00:08] <fincan> terran4000: but I wanna use new 1s :)
[00:09] <terran4000> I know, I understand.
[00:09] <terran4000> I'm guessing you have some important info on that raid right?
[00:09] <mark__> which server is the easiest to configure for sharing to windows?
[00:09] <fincan> terran4000: my windows setup and all archives on raid :)
[00:09] <mark__> easiest by newbie standards that is
[00:10] <terran4000> mark__: you mean which software? or which version of linux?
[00:10] <terran4000> fincan: eh .. bleh.
[00:10] <mark__> which software
[00:10] <terran4000> mark__: samba probably
[00:11] <fincan> terran4000: yeap I m the luckest man in the linux world :)
[00:11] <terran4000> fincan: Well, you're luck is about to change ;-)
[00:11] <nexamac> terran4000: Search string 'snd_xyz' not found!
[00:11] <mark__> thanks
[00:11]  * terran4000 shakes fist at nexamac
[00:12] <fincan> terran4000: anyway, still I ve a hope XD
[00:12] <fincan> terran4000: thx
[00:12] <terran4000> nexamac: I didn't mean "snd_xyz" literally.
[00:12] <nexamac> :>
[00:12] <terran4000> fincan: dmraid is made to work with hardware raid and stuff
[00:12] <terran4000> motherboards these days don't do that
[00:12] <terran4000> even though they claim so
[00:13] <terran4000> Plus, they're all made for Windows, thus linux can only play catchup
[00:13] <biovore> the raid is all done in software really..
[00:13] <terran4000> yeah
[00:13] <terran4000> exactly
[00:13] <mark__> do i have to restart to run samba?
[00:13] <ubuntu> amarok is not working, forgot the workaround
[00:13] <mark__> its installed but i can't find it
[00:13] <terran4000> With the use of the hardware raid thingy from your motherboard .... linux has trouble with that
[00:13] <fincan> but this s some odd, while I was using 6.10 why it doesnt work anymore :)
[00:13] <biovore> to get one thats all hardware your looking at $400 bucks US to start..
[00:14] <nexamac> for the love of..
[00:14] <terran4000> You're best bet would be to not run it that way :-(
[00:14] <tekstacy> How do I unlock a locked folder?
[00:14] <biovore> hardware raid works great on linux :-)
[00:14] <terran4000> fincan: sorry it's not exactly great news but it's the best I can give. Maybe someone else can do better. My apologies for not helping more.
[00:15] <fincan> terran4000:thx anyway m8, as I said I ve a little hope only :)
[00:15] <terran4000> heh, cheers fincan.
[00:15] <mark__> sudo samba doesn't work either
[00:15] <terran4000> tekstacy: what do you mean locked?
[00:15] <raton> #fr-kubuntu
[00:15] <raton> !fr raton
[00:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fr raton - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:15] <terran4000> mark__: you don't have to restart to run samba
[00:15] <biovore> http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html <-- riad controller information
[00:15] <NexaMac> !fr | raton
[00:15] <ubotu> raton: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[00:16] <raton> thanks ^^
[00:16] <Schuenemann> anyone know how can I force a specific font DPI not listed in kcontrol?
[00:16] <tekstacy> The icon shows a lock over it, properties says it is locked and if I try to use cd, I get told access denied
[00:16] <fincan> biovore:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/110245
[00:16] <tekstacy> It's a folder some game installer made
[00:16] <Nexano> tekstacy: sudo if terminal, hit the admin button in the window if GUI
[00:16] <mark__> how do i access it then?
[00:17] <terran4000> tekstacy: chmod 777 FOLDERNAME
[00:17] <tekstacy> Admin button?
[00:17] <Nexano> :<
[00:17] <Nexano> just sudo su from the command line :>
[00:17] <terran4000> !dpi
[00:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dpi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:17] <terran4000> >_>
[00:18] <tekstacy> sudo chmod 777 /opt/PlaneSHift
[00:18] <tekstacy> grrr, sorry...
[00:18] <terran4000> Schuenemann: sorry, wish I could help but that's out of my league.
[00:19] <terran4000> NexaMac: search your log files for something pertaining to: snd_hda_intel
[00:19] <biovore> fincan: no clue.. I don't use software raid anymore these days.. Moved up to all hardware solutions..
[00:20] <fincan> biovore: maybe hardware 1s can be ok but they r some expansive for home users like me XD
[00:20] <Schuenemann> terran4000, http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/wrong3.jpg
[00:21] <genii> Schuenemann: You may find this page useful for your dpi isue: http://scanline.ca/dpi/
[00:21] <terran4000> Schuenemann: don't worry, I've actually done worse ;-)
[00:21] <Schuenemann> genii, someone told me he solved it forcing dpi to 96, but I only have 120 option
[00:21] <biovore> fincan: yup.. I ran it on dapper here as well.. all software raid implementation.. Didn't have any problems.. I have tried to mess with it on feisty or gusty
[00:22] <terran4000> NexaMac: Hmmm, their proposed solution might work. Worth a try. No harm in it.
[00:23] <Schuenemann> genii, resolution:    96x100 dots per inch <-- shouldn't it be a square?
[00:23] <fincan> biovore: I m using 6.10 without any problem, but newer 1 ll be nice :)
[00:23] <biovore> fincan: yeah.. 6.06 is the LTS so they worry about minor details like that..
[00:24] <fincan> biovore: thx u too for answers
[00:24] <biovore> fincan: might have to wait for the next LTS before DM-Raid works again..
[00:24] <ibilic> what's the command for updating all packages?
[00:24] <fincan> biovore: I m waiting XD already XD
[00:24] <NexaMac> terran4000: failed at compiling
[00:24] <biovore> sudo apt-get update
[00:24] <biovore> sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:25] <vzduch> in that order
[00:25] <terran4000> NexaMac: which part and what was the error?
[00:25] <genii> Schuenemann: No, if you have for instance 10x10 the aspect ratio of your monitor makes it not look like a square. Think of sqare 15" monitor which is set for ratios like 1024x768 or such
[00:26] <Schuenemann> genii, yeh, you're right...
[00:26] <NexaMac> terran4000: ./configure
[00:27] <terran4000> NexaMac: ok ... what was the error?
[00:27] <Nexano> getting to it :P
[00:27] <terran4000> My guess is a missing library ^_^
[00:27] <NexaMac> smartass ;o
[00:27] <NexaMac> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[00:27] <NexaMac> See `config.log' for more details.
[00:27] <terran4000> o.O
[00:27] <terran4000> what ... the ...
[00:28] <terran4000> NexaMac: You know, after all of this you're gonna owe me a beer.
[00:28] <Nexano> i never let a man drink one beer
[00:28] <Nexano> its either many or none
[00:28] <Nexano> so bring your wallet :<
[00:28] <genii> Schuenemann: 100x75 would be a square incidentally
[00:29] <terran4000> NexaMac: apt-get install g++ cpp
[00:29] <jjesse> question: i enable sharing via samba on my xp vm when i try to connect to that share from windows, i am asked for a username and password, the username and password of the user i'm logged doesn't work, any ideas?
[00:29] <Schuenemann> genii, I see...
[00:29] <NickPresta> NexaMac, do you have the build-essential package?
[00:29] <NexaMac> NickPresta: think so
[00:29] <NexaMac> :p
[00:30]  * NexaMac is still learning >_>
[00:30] <jjesse> i have samba installed
[00:30] <NexaMac> terran4000: ./configure ran like a baby now :D
[00:30] <terran4000> woohoo!
[00:30] <Nexano> <3
[00:31] <terran4000> Sorry, don't swing that way anymore.
[00:31] <Nexano> *snivel*
[00:31] <ader10> will I lose any functionality in kde if I use gdm? how about gnome with kdm?
[00:31] <vzduch> !b-e | NexaMac
[00:31] <terran4000> heh, well, now make and make install like it said. and let's see what crops up
[00:32] <ubotu> NexaMac: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[00:32] <jjesse> !samba
[00:32] <ubotu> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[00:32] <vzduch> ader10: KDM/GDM is only for graphical login, has nothing to do w/ other functionality
[00:33] <ader10> vzduch: that's not what a number of other people have said but thank you :) I will choose gdm for now.
[00:34] <genii> vzduch: I have noticed sometimes kde using gdm has weirdnesses with screensaver size
[00:34] <vzduch> genii: screensavers are about the last thing I look at, as I usually deactivate them anyway :>
[00:34] <Nexano> hmm
[00:35] <ader10> genii: do you notice any other loss of functionality
[00:35] <NexaMac> configure: error: this packages requires a curses library <--- terran4000 :<
[00:35] <vzduch> NexaMac: sudo apt-get install ncurses-devel
[00:36] <Nexano> ah
[00:36] <Nexano> cheers
[00:36] <terran4000> NexaMac: what he said.
[00:36] <genii> ader10: Not really
[00:36] <Nexano> ARGH
[00:36] <Nexano> also
[00:36] <Nexano> couldnt find package
[00:36] <vzduch> try ncurses-dev
[00:37] <vzduch> the naming is different in different distros, and I am not on *buntu
[00:37] <genii> libncurses5-dev
[00:38] <genii> !info libncurses5-dev
[00:38] <ubotu> libncurses5-dev: Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses. In component main, is optional. Version 5.6+20070716-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 1422 kB, installed size 6136 kB
[00:38] <apokruphos> could someone help me with a simple question?
[00:38] <terran4000> Yes
[00:38] <terran4000> That was easy.
[00:39] <Nexano> :D
[00:39] <apokruphos> it is in multiple parts. =p
[00:39] <vzduch> apokruphos: depends on the simple question.. we can't know unless you ask ;)
[00:39] <Nexano> complex > simple
[00:39] <terran4000> Unless you refactor your code, then simple > complex
[00:39] <Nexano> ._.
[00:39] <Nexano> partypooper
[00:40] <apokruphos> I'm running the kubuntu livecd to recover some data from a hdd with a corrupted windows install. Where in the tree is the data on the hard drive?
[00:40] <adz21c> apokruphos: i think /media, but u might need to manually mount the drive
[00:41] <apokruphos> ah, that might be it, media was empty
[00:41] <vzduch> apokruphos: it's nowhere unless you mounted it
[00:41] <vzduch> inkbuntu: are you the pen-and-paper version of Ubuntu? =D
[00:41] <adz21c> lol
[00:41] <Nexano> >_<
[00:42] <Nexano> terran4000: in alsamixer, there a slider named IEC958 which is set to 00 and cant be modified
[00:42] <Nexano> bad sign? :p
[00:42] <inkbuntu> vzduch: I'm men and I'm an entusiast of Ubuntu from Venezuela :D
[00:42] <terran4000> No idea, try unmuting it if possible
[00:42] <Nexano> cant :<
[00:43] <terran4000> Nexano: then ignore it.
[00:43] <terran4000> Nexano: keep compiling ^_^
[00:43] <Nexano> im done :<
[00:44] <terran4000> with all 3?
[00:44] <Nexano> yes
[00:44] <apokruphos> what do I mount then? /hda?
[00:44] <Nexano> failed horribly tbh
[00:44] <vzduch> Nexano: what failed?
[00:44] <Nexano> vzduch: still no sound :)
[00:44] <genii> apokruphos: normally hda1 or sda1, yes
[00:44] <terran4000> you did sudo make
[00:44] <terran4000> and sudo make install
[00:44] <Nexano> yesh
[00:44] <terran4000> for all 3?
[00:44] <vzduch> terran4000: no need to sudo make
[00:45] <vzduch> just make
[00:45] <terran4000> vzduch: yeah yeah, I know. too lazy to change directions
[00:45] <apokruphos> It's not in fstab or mtab
[00:45] <terran4000> Nexano: did you restart the mac?
[00:45] <Nexano> yeah
[00:46] <Nexano> im trying to compile the alsa-lib again as it went a little fast last time, taking ages now
[00:46] <terran4000> bullocks ...
[00:46] <apokruphos> cows?
[00:46] <apokruphos> ;)
[00:47] <nexamac> make[2]: Entering directory `/home/nexamac/Desktop/alsa-utils/alsa-utils-1.0.14/alsaconf/po'
[00:47] <nexamac> mv: cannot stat `t-ja.gmo': No such file or directory
[00:48] <vzduch> good night folks :)
[00:48] <nexamac> nn
[00:48] <terran4000> cheers
[00:48] <genii> vzduch: night
[00:49] <Nexano> >_>
[00:50] <ibilic> ark crashes... what do I do?
[00:50] <terran4000> Nexano: remove the alsa-utils directory
[00:50] <ibilic> I can't open it
[00:50] <terran4000> uncompress it again
[00:50] <ibilic> I want to make an archive
[00:50] <terran4000> and try a fresh ./configure; make; sudo make install
[00:50] <ibilic> but I can't even open ark
[00:51] <apokruphos> When I try 'mount /dev/hda1'  it returns "mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab". What am I missing?
[00:51] <ibilic> terran4000: I am a little new... what do I type in the console?
[00:51] <Dr_willis> ibilic,  i alwyas use the command line tools. or mc.
[00:51] <Nexano> ibilic mkdir
[00:51] <terran4000> ibilic: sorry, I was talking to Nexano
[00:51] <ardchoille> apokruphos: mount point?
[00:52] <Nexano> wanna create the folder lol? type mkdir lol
[00:52] <ardchoille> apokruphos: mount /device /mount_point
[00:52] <Nexano> or mkdir /etc/some/thing/lol
[00:53] <apokruphos> "mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist"
[00:54] <raton> how launch one "apt-setup" plz in the terminal ^^
[00:54] <dbmoodb> hello got a q  re clustering with dvd:rip, what do i set the local directory t obe
[00:55] <apokruphos> nm, I got it
[00:55] <genii> raton: There is no command of that name. What did you want to change about apt?
[00:56] <raton> my sourcelist bug and i cant write another :(
[00:57] <genii> raton: sudo cp /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list /etc/apt/
[00:57] <raton> ty^^
[00:57] <Dr_willis> i think apt-setup is in debian.
[00:57] <genii> raton: That will copy the sample one in there. But you may need to add more, there are only a few in the example
[00:58] <Dr_willis> I always use that easysource web site
[00:58] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[00:58] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[00:58] <raton> thanks allot ! :D
[00:58] <genii> Dr_willis: Actually that one is good too, does localisation etc
[00:59] <dbmoodb> nope ?
[01:00] <Schuenemann> genii, "# The -dpi command line option has highest priority. " Which command uses that?
[01:00] <genii> Schuenemann: when X is called, from commandline normally in the startx way, which just actually goes to binary of X
[01:01] <raton> oula
[01:01] <raton> autre problême:(
[01:01] <raton> raton@raton-desktop:/etc/apt$ apt-get -f update
[01:01] <raton> E: Impossible d'ouvrir le fichier verrou /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission non accordée)
[01:01] <Schuenemann> genii, guess I shouldn't mess with that
[01:01] <genii> raton: sudo
[01:01] <raton> oops wrong chanel ^^
[01:02] <raton> oh thanks ^^
[01:03] <genii> Schuenemann: I haven't tinkered with that stuff normally, but I  seem to recall someplace in the /etc/X11 hierarchy is default options to X, which is where you wold put this. It is where the login manager like kdm or gdm draws it's initial info on how to display
[01:04] <supergreg> I tried to follow this, but tried with kubuntu instead, it worked fine until now when I actually try to boot, I see syslinux starting, but it says "could not find kernel image: linux"  - http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/  - any quick hints, or another easy tutorial I could try? thanks
[01:07] <genii> Schuenemann: I'm looking into where to set this stuff, if I find something I'll let ya know
[01:09] <Schuenemann> genii, thanks brother
[01:09] <genii> Schuenemann: np
[01:10] <ubuntu__> how can i edit my grub from a live cd
[01:11] <genii> Schuenemann: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
[01:12] <ubuntu__> how can i edit my grub from a live cd
[01:13] <nexamac> terran4000!!112
[01:13] <genii> ubuntu__: Do you recall what the partition was that it installed to?
[01:13] <terran4000>  3 4 pick up sticks?
[01:13] <nexamac> :o
[01:13] <nexamac> mv: cannot stat `t-ja.gmo': No such file or directory <--- what i get when "make" utils :<
[01:14] <terran4000> You've tried removing the entire directory
[01:14] <terran4000> and untarring it again, and doing it from a fresh start right?
[01:14] <ubuntu__> genii: i dont know, the problem is i have two instilations, on two diff partitions
[01:14] <ubuntu__> and its booting to the wrong on
[01:14] <ubuntu__> e
[01:15] <Nexano> yes terran4000, got a few errors but i fixed them
[01:15] <Nexano> turns out i didnt actually get headers >_>
[01:15] <Nexano> headers..
[01:15] <Nexano> kek
[01:15] <terran4000> >_>
[01:16] <terran4000> Right, so ... give me a link to the exact file you're trying and I'll give it a getgo
[01:17] <Nexano> sec
[01:17] <Nexano> most forums say i need gettext
[01:17] <Nexano> i got it, then they say i need some other crap
[01:17] <Nexano> msg-instertworandomletters-
[01:17] <genii> ubuntu__: The next time you boot to wrong one, do command: mount    and notice which partition is the /   then try to find the one you wanted by command: sudo fdisk -l   which will list that one and hopefully only 1 other which has type of "linux" or 83 hex, this would be the (hopefully) right one. Then off livecd to mount it in a dir, then edit like nano /mountpoint/grub/menu.lst
[01:18] <Nexano> msgfmt
[01:18] <terran4000> o.O
[01:19] <Nexano> some nab said ja-trans
[01:19] <Nexano> didnt do jack :<
[01:19] <ubuntu__> genii: thats the thing, i have unsolvable problems on the other, so i cant boot to it
[01:19] <ubuntu__> genii: but i know sdb2 is the wrong one and sdb3 is what i need it to boot to
[01:19] <Schuenemann> genii, I changed from 100 to 96 but nothing happened
[01:19] <genii> Schuenemann: :(
[01:20] <Schuenemann> exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 96 -nolisten tcp
[01:20] <genii> ubuntu__: You have /boot on sda1? Or what is there, windows or so?
[01:20] <genii> Schuenemann: Perhaps it is so close to 100 the difference is indistinguishable
[01:20] <ubuntu__> genii: no windows
[01:21] <ubuntu__> genii: its booting to sdb2, i need it to boot to sdb3
[01:21] <Schuenemann> genii, you think I should try a lower value?
[01:21] <nexamac> terran4000: ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/utils/alsa-utils-1.0.14.tar.bz2
[01:22] <genii> ubuntu__: Yes, I understand the sda2 sda3 thing. What we need to know is where the /boot/grub/menu.lst file is, whether on /dev/sd1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda3 etc ... if you chose a separate partition for /boot then it may have been the /dev/sda1
[01:22] <genii> Schuenemann: Just back up what you have and tinker is my recommendation
[01:23] <ubuntu__> there is no sd1, sda3, sda1 or anything
[01:23] <Schuenemann> genii, what is tinker?
[01:23] <genii> Schuenemann: To try some other values there than 100 or 96, etc. Perhaps go to 75 and see if any noticeable difference
[01:24] <terran4000> >_>
[01:24] <terran4000> Nexano: compiled without issue
[01:24] <Schuenemann> genii, ok, I'll do that
[01:24] <Nexano> then what am i missing? :>
[01:25] <terran4000> remove the folder and stuff
[01:25] <genii> ubuntu__: So then the menu.lst most likely on /dv/sdb2   so from livecd to do  mount /dev/sdb2 /someplace    then nano /someplace/grub/menu.lst
[01:25] <terran4000> untar to a new dir
[01:25] <ubuntu__> alright
[01:25] <terran4000> then
[01:25] <terran4000> ./configure
[01:26] <terran4000> and when you do "make"
[01:26] <terran4000> stick it up on pastebin
[01:26] <wesley> can you not set Konqueror as default file browser ?
[01:27] <ardchoille> !dolphin
[01:27] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[01:27] <Schuenemann> genii, this has no effect, I changed to 76 and it's EXACLY the same
[01:29] <genii> Schuenemann: And you exited to login then did ctrl-backspace or else restarted entirely the x server? If no change then likely ubuntu is overriding someplace :/
[01:29] <genii> Schuenemann: Does the login screen seem different at all?
[01:29] <genii> (disproportional, etc)
[01:29] <Schuenemann> genii, I went back to login screen
[01:30] <Schuenemann> no, I didn't see any difference
[01:30] <genii> Schuenemann: when at login after logging out o ctrl-backspace to make X reload new values
[01:30] <ubuntu__> genii:  how would i change it to boot to sdb3?
[01:31] <genii> ubuntu__: Look for lines in it that are sdb2 and switch then to sdb3
[01:31] <Nexano> for some reason terran4000 it just compiled fine now
[01:31] <Schuenemann> brb the
[01:31] <terran4000> Nexano: I need a stiff drink.
[01:32] <Nexano> :P
[01:32]  * genii hands terran4000 a cofee with some whiskey in it
[01:32]  * terran4000 sniffs it and passes it onto Nexo. 
[01:32]  * Nexano chugs
[01:32] <terran4000> Thanks but I don't do tea and rum
[01:33] <Nexano> :<
[01:33] <Nexano> anyone want a free zen microphoto mp3 player?
[01:33] <Nexano> :>
[01:34] <terran4000> No, but I would like to have your sound working already
[01:34] <Nexano> :p
[01:34] <notv> does gutsy come with a c compiler out of the box?
[01:35] <Nexano> "I`ve probably lost more patients then you`ve treated." - Dr.Zoidberg.
[01:35] <genii> notv: the package build-essential is not installed by default, but easy enough to add
[01:36] <wesley> a free mp3 player?
[01:36] <Nexano> terran4000: no sound >_>
[01:36] <Nexano> im almost ready to give up allready
[01:36] <notv> genii is that alls i needs?
[01:37] <genii> notv: For most compiling, yes
[01:37] <terran4000> Nexano: honestly, I have no clue.
[01:37] <genii> !compile | notv
[01:37] <ubotu> notv: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[01:37] <terran4000> It could be that some kernel module was left out
[01:37] <notv> im using it for a c class
[01:37] <notv> im sure its nothing fancy yet
[01:37] <terran4000> or something was compiled wrong somewhere down the line .....
[01:37] <terran4000> Just for kicks, try the new kubuntu testing live cd
[01:37] <terran4000> and see if you get sound out of that
[01:37] <terran4000> and a older kubuntu live cd
[01:38] <terran4000> see what comes of them
[01:38] <notv> genii will my programs run the same on whatever compiler the teacher uses?
[01:38] <genii> notv: Then the build-essential package should be enough for most programs you would be making/using
[01:38] <genii> notv: Yes, if standard code then the compiler doesn't matter
[01:38] <notv> thanks
[01:39] <genii> notv: np
[01:40] <Schuenemann> genii, ctrl + backspace doesn't seem to do anything
[01:40] <genii> Schuenemann: OK. Then the system is drawing it's defaults from another place and not from there.
[01:41] <Schuenemann> genii, when I change in kcontrol, it works, but I can only choose 120 DPI there.
[01:42] <Schuenemann> I wanted to place 96dpi there
[01:42] <notv> genii are you familiar with a C IDE, and if i dont have one, will i just be coding in a terminal?
[01:42] <genii> notv: For KDE there is KDevelop
[01:43] <genii> notv: Otherwise any text editor is usually sufficient
[01:43] <genii> Schuenemann: I am looking again, have patience :)
[01:44] <nexamac_> playing wii, if ya need me highlight nexano :>
[01:44] <ubuntu__> how can i boot my computer up without it running "/scripts/init-bottom"?
[02:01] <Schuenemann> genii, I have to go... thanks
[02:01] <genii> Schuenemann: http://linux-blog.org/index.php?/archives/227-KDE-and-Xorg,-Fonts-and-DPI.html
[02:02] <genii> Schuenemann: OK, seeya later.Might be some useful info on that site for you btw
[02:02] <Schuenemann> I'll check
[02:05] <bmk789> can any of you recommend software for KDE videoconfrencing?
[02:05] <bmk789> skype works, but id prefer something open source and that can do more fps on video
[02:14] <TheWhiteRook> what kind of luck have people had with installing Beryl on Kubuntu (7.10)?
[02:14] <genii> !konference
[02:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konference - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:14] <genii> hmm
[02:14] <ronnie__> am I right in assuming that the only benefit to "jack" being a server is to record or play some audio software dosen't take up memory on you computer?
[02:14] <Schuenemann> genii, it didn't change anything... omg
[02:15] <Schuenemann> genii, I ran that command before and after changing and it displayed the same DPI
[02:15] <genii> Schuenemann: I'm fresh outta ideas then at this point
[02:15] <ardchoille> !beryl | TheWhiteRook
[02:15] <ubotu> TheWhiteRook: Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[02:16] <TheWhiteRook> ok, thanx
[02:22] <nexamac_> TheWhiteRook: compiz works fine tho
[02:23] <TheWhiteRook> yeah, I tried it a bit ago, and then had to do a format and fresh install (though not cuz of compiz), and I had used Beryl in the spring when I was using gnome... and remembered that it worked really well...
[02:27] <Schuenemann> genii, well, thanks
[02:28] <TheWhiteRook> !compiz
[02:28] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[02:28] <ronnie__> umm ok no in the room that uses midi along with jack?, sometimes I get some kind of pop up saying "jack is being used by another program" sorta warning, can I only use I program with jack at a time?
[02:33] <genii> bmk789: Perhaps check out http://www.vislab.uq.edu.au/research/accessgrid/software/debian/
[02:35] <TheWhiteRook> holy crap, windows really stick to the bottom panel when the wobbly windows effect is enabled in compiz...
[02:37] <Dr_willis> ive had the wiggly windows get 'stuck' wiggling befor.. :) i couldent move/click/do anything other then watch them wiggle.. see them jiggle.
[02:37] <NickPresta> Any idea why when I start fusion-icon as myself, fusion icon refuses to dock but when I start it via kdesu, it docks fine?
[02:38] <TheWhiteRook> no idea
[02:38] <ubuntu_> hi, i see, to be having a problem. i had a problem that i couldnt resolve, so i decided i would make a new partition, put a new install of kubuntu on it then keep the old partition (because it has aboue 100gb of data on it) and i could just use it as my /home directory and have the new partiton for the OS only. so i installed it, and now it wont boot up. it keeps booting up to the old OS (on the old partiton) how can i fix this?
[02:39] <TheWhiteRook> any idea why the window I click on doesn't come to the foreground unless I click on the title bar (with compiz)
[02:42] <Bra_Wearer_Samue> I am a guy and love wearing push up bras
[02:42] <Bra_Wearer_Samue> Visit your local men wearing bras message board today!
[02:42] <Bra_Wearer_Samue> I am a guy and wear a bra as often as I can and out in public all the time
[02:42] <Bra_Wearer_Samue> Visit your local men wearing bras message board today!
[02:42] <Bra_Wearer_Samue> Bra wearing is amazing and I am a guy
[02:42] <Bra_Wearer_Samue> I wore a bra out in public to the mall today under just a t-shirt
[02:42] <Bra_Wearer_Samue> I love when my bra straps project through the back of my shirt.
[02:42] <Bra_Wearer_Samue> I am a man who would like to wear a bra. I need no support! Thanks, Ron
[02:42] <Bra_Wearer_Samue> Check out my bra wearing questions on Yahoo! answers
[02:42] <Bra_Wearer_Samue> Victoria's Secret employees help fit me for the right bra every time i shop there even though I am a male
[02:42] <Bra_Wearer_Samue> I am a guy and wear a bra as often as I can and out in public all the time
[02:42] <limac> well
[02:42] <Bra_Wearer_Samue> My name is Samuel and I LOVE TO WEAR BRAS.
[02:42] <Bra_Wearer_Samue> Even though I am a guy I ask the Victoria's Secret employees if I can try on bras in the fitting rooms and they always say yes
[02:42] <NickPresta> !ops
[02:42] <Bra_Wearer_Samue> Check out my bra wearing questions on Yahoo! answers
[02:42] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, Tm_T, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal, PriceChild, jussi01 or ardchoille!
[02:42] <Bra_Wearer_Samue> My name is Samuel and I LOVE TO WEAR BRAS.
[02:42] <limac> i think we get the point
[02:42] <Bra_Wearer_Samue> Even though I am a guy I ask the Victoria's Secret employees if I can try on bras in the fitting rooms and they always say yes
[02:42] <Bra_Wearer_Samue> I am a guy and love shopping at Victoria's Secret for bras
[02:43] <Bra_Wearer_Samue> I wore a bra out in public to the mall today under just a t-shirt
[02:43] <NickPresta> Thanks Jucato
[02:43] <NickPresta> and stdin
[02:43] <stdin> chanserv lag :p
[02:43] <NickPresta> heh
[02:43] <Jucato> hmph
[02:43] <Jucato> :P
[02:43] <limac> well
[02:43] <limac> how do u do that?
[02:43] <ronnie__> OMG!!  talk bout unrelated ubuntu spam! haha
[02:43] <LjL> sorry i'm lagged
[02:44] <stdin> heh
[02:44] <Jucato> pfft...
[02:44] <n8k99> that's two nights in a row for that guy
[02:45] <TheWhiteRook> Can't say I've ever had spam like that
[02:46] <ronnie__> so no kin answer my questions, guess no one in here into music (midi programs) no prob maybe it's just the wrong time in here :)
[02:47] <ubuntu_> hi, i see, to be having a problem. i had a problem that i couldnt resolve, so i decided i would make a new partition, put a new install of kubuntu on it then keep the old partition (because it has aboue 100gb of data on it) and i could just use it as my /home directory and have the new partiton for the OS only. so i installed it, and now it wont boot up. it keeps booting up to the old OS (on the old partiton) how can i fix this?
[02:48] <XadVio> whats up peaople
[02:49]  * genii imagines the Victorias Secret employees having a good laugh
[02:51] <genii> ronnie__: What sort of things did you want to do involving midi?
[02:53] <genii> ronnie__: at commandline, apt-cache search midi|more     produces many programs midi-related
[02:53] <biovore> !rosegarden
[02:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rosegarden - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:54] <ronnie__> genii I just was trying to use the sounds I found off the web with my midi keyboard, hmm is "speciman" a good sampler to do this?
[02:58] <genii> ronnie__: Not sure how you'd go about exporting it from the computer
[02:59] <jimmy51> hello, should SHIFT+Backspace kill KDE?
[03:00] <genii> jimmy51:  ctrl-shift-backspace
[03:00] <ptfd9100> how do you fix the "kfmclient-kde4 openProfile webbrowsing" problem
[03:00] <jimmy51> genii:  i know that one... it restarts KDE
[03:00] <jimmy51> genii:  if i hit shift backspace, KDE just crashes......  only wallpaper and mouse icon visible
[03:02] <genii> jimmy51: The answer then to the question "should SHIFT+Backspace kill KDE?" is no
[03:02] <ronnie__> I use an M-audio usb plug with my midi keyboard to connect to the computer, it does seem to read it, i just probably dont have it conneted in options choices, ill try & try again, : )   thx anyhow,
[03:03] <jimmy51> genii:  ok, i've got a problem then.  i just wanted to make sure it's not normal behavior before i look into the issue
[03:03] <genii> ronnie__: Some music ppl I know swear by the app timidity but I haven't used it
[03:03] <jimmy51> thanks!
[03:04] <ronnie__> hmm  ok ill check out that,thx, not installed at the moment cause I thought it was for karaoke, hehe
[03:05] <ronnie__> later room....  : )  : )
[03:06] <genii> jimmy51: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/shift-backspace-kills-x-server-123293/ may have what you need
[03:06] <genii> bah they left
[03:08] <XadVio> hi im back
[03:08] <ptfd9100> how do you fix the "kfmclient-kde4 openProfile webbrowsing" problem
[03:11] <XadVio> i've got to go again
[03:11] <XadVio> brb
[03:15] <ubuntu_> hi, i see, to be having a problem. i had a problem that i couldnt resolve, so i decided i would make a new partition, put a new install of kubuntu on it then keep the old partition (because it has aboue 100gb of data on it) and i could just use it as my /home directory and have the new partiton for the OS only. so i installed it, and now it wont boot up. it keeps booting up to the old OS (on the old partiton) how can i fix this?
[03:19] <thomas_newbie__> I have a server on my machine and my mother is being a pain and is saying she is really scared that a hacker will break in, or a virus through my server and access her computer and destroy it....should I be worried?
[03:24] <genii> thomas_newbie__: maybe get some tips on herdening your server in #ubuntu-server channel
[03:25] <genii> thomas_newbie__: But I'd say generally your mother doesn't have much to worry over.
[03:28] <jjesse> ok i'm having problems with my networking via knetworkmanager, i changed it to manual and now i can't select any other wireless connections, how do i bring that back?
[03:30] <ganjamaniac> cool
[03:31] <jjesse> !knetworkmanager
[03:31] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto - Also try disabling/removing KNetworkManager if KDE applications cannot connect using dial-up
[03:31] <ganjamaniac> !knerd
[03:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about knerd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:31] <ganjamaniac> !nvidia
[03:31] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:31] <ganjamaniac> !distributed-net
[03:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about distributed-net - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:32] <ganjamaniac> i got a problem using dnetc with mdns
[03:32] <ganjamaniac> they are somehow incompatible
[03:33] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i start over with everything without reinstalling kubuntu
[03:33] <ganjamaniac> turn back the time or something
[03:34] <Jay-Oh-En> shut up
[03:35] <ender> unless you backed up the system...I think you are hosed, unless you mounted your /home directory to its own partition
[03:35] <Jay-Oh-En> it is
[03:35] <ender> then just reinstall and keep the partitions and don't format home...why do you need to start over?
[03:35] <Jay-Oh-En> home is its own partion
[03:36] <Jay-Oh-En> cause my computers been slow lately and i dont know whats causing it
[03:36] <Jay-Oh-En> like when i type
[03:36] <ender> checked system processes?
[03:36] <Jay-Oh-En> it goes slow
[03:36] <Jay-Oh-En> yeah
[03:36] <Jay-Oh-En> in htop
[03:36] <Jay-Oh-En> but nothings taking up anything
[03:36] <Jay-Oh-En> Sysinfo for 'Scrap-me': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: AMDAthlon643000+ at 2100 MHz (4204 bogomips), , RAM: 905/1011MB, 149 proc's, 2.38h up
[03:37] <Jay-Oh-En> Sysinfo for 'Scrap-me': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: AMDAthlon643000+ at 2100 MHz (4204 bogomips), , RAM: 905/1011MB, 149 proc's, 2.38h up
[03:37] <Jay-Oh-En> thats my system info
[03:37] <bazhang> may want to get more ram if possible
[03:37] <Jay-Oh-En> its a gig
[03:37] <bazhang> so I see
[03:37] <Jay-Oh-En> mozilla seems to be the slowest thing
[03:38] <moparguy98632> hello , 2 quick questions
[03:38] <Jay-Oh-En> besides frostwire
[03:38] <bazhang> Jay-Oh-En: I would wait for firefox three before doing something drastic
[03:38] <Jay-Oh-En> and i cant get the sound to work for kopete
[03:38] <Jay-Oh-En> whens that gonna be bazhang?
[03:38] <rishad> hi. i want to upgrade to hardy but also run a stable gutsy system. what do i need to do?
[03:38] <ender> have you restarted lately?  looks like something has a memory leak
[03:38] <moparguy98632> wahts the Kde command for upgrade?
[03:38] <Jay-Oh-En> ender: me?
[03:38] <ender> yes
[03:39] <Jay-Oh-En> ender: hmm i restart alot
[03:39] <Jay-Oh-En> twice or more a day
[03:39] <bazhang> likely firefox or a torrent client such as azureus
[03:39] <ganjamaniac> wacko mips, i have mipsel
[03:39] <ganjamaniac> nah frickelfox isn't so fine$
[03:39] <Jay-Oh-En> bazhang: i dont have any
[03:40] <moparguy98632> and the other question is what player will play avi Fiels?
[03:40] <moparguy98632> its started with a soemthing
[03:40] <ganjamaniac> i am messed up with java on frickelfox
[03:40] <moparguy98632> avls or soemthing?
[03:40] <ganjamaniac> !java
[03:40] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[03:41] <ganjamaniac> !multiverse
[03:41] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:41] <ganjamaniac> !firefox java
[03:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about firefox java - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:42] <ganjamaniac> !firefork
[03:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about firefork - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <antorogon> hello
[03:43] <ganjamaniac> hmm ubuntu is using a OLD hell libmdns from 2005
[03:43] <ganjamaniac> hmm what a crap
[03:44] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i check if a i have a memory leak
[03:44] <Jay-Oh-En> or can somebody help me make my cpomputer faster
[03:44] <ganjamaniac> put the computer into a bathtube
[03:44] <ganjamaniac> if you see some blubbs you have a memleak
[03:45] <bazhang> ganjamaniac: cmon that is not helpful
[03:46] <bazhang> Jay-Oh-En: use a lighter browser, get some more ram, or wait for firefox three; those are all options available now
[03:48] <Jay-Oh-En> bazhang: what would you suggest as a lighter browser
[03:48] <Jay-Oh-En> i dont gewt it tho my computer was fast as heck when i forst installed
[03:48] <dthacker> Jay-Oh-En: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179540 may help you.  Disclaimer: I have not tried this myself.
[03:49] <bazhang> Jay-Oh-En: it is likely a memory leak from firefox--even the beta is much lighter--as to other alternatives, there are plenty in the repos--you can try some out
[03:49] <rishad> hi. sorry to ask again but i want to upgrade to hardy but also run a stable gutsy system. what do i need to do?
[03:50] <bazhang> rishad: dual boot or on two different computers
[03:50] <genii> Jay-Oh-En: If you use a torrent client of some sort make sure you don't keep seeding torrents indefinitely. This causes horrible slowdown that seems like memory leak
[03:51] <ganjamaniac> whaetver i got libnss-mdns from debian package repo
[03:52] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i get rid of ubuntu programs that installed on kde
[03:52] <moparguy98632> hello, I was wondering if I can get the command line that forces the upgrade to begine
[03:52] <bazhang> Jay-Oh-En: un install them
[03:53] <Jay-Oh-En> there is so many tho
[03:53] <moparguy98632> upgrade!
[03:53] <moparguy98632> taht is wierd
[03:54] <Jay-Oh-En> !upgrade
[03:54] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:54] <bazhang> moparguy98632: you want the factoid?
[03:54] <moparguy98632> sure
[03:54] <bazhang> see above moparguy98632
[03:55] <moparguy98632> eh ok..eh better yet waht is the command line?
[03:57] <bazhang> moparguy who are you talking to?
[03:57] <bazhang> he left?
[03:58] <ubuntu_> what do i need to install to play a .avi
[03:58] <maduser> vlc
[03:59] <ubuntu_> dont you need some sort of restricted drivers
[03:59] <ubuntu_> because i cant get kaffiene to play an avi
[03:59] <bazhang> install kubuntu-restricted-extras ubuntu_
[03:59] <ubuntu_> thanks
[04:00] <bazhang> no worries :}
[04:00] <ubuntu_> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:01] <bazhang> enable the repos in adept ubuntu_
[04:01] <ubuntu_> im on a live cd
[04:01] <bazhang> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:01] <ubotu> kubuntu-restricted-extras: Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10 (gutsy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[04:02] <bazhang> uh ok
[04:02] <ubuntu_> can you not play an avi on a live cd?
[04:03] <ganjamaniac> whaetve r i move to soyuz
[04:03] <ganjamaniac> sovayuz or something
[04:03] <bazhang> ubuntu never tried
[04:04] <ganjamaniac> who cares about restricted extras
[04:05] <bazhang> ganjamaniac: people who need support care; this is not a chitchat channel please take it to offtopic
[04:07] <specialbuddy> is anyone else having a hard time getting the kde4 RC 2 to work
[04:07] <ganjamaniac> hey develdoper
[04:12] <specialbuddy> can someone help me out with kde4
[04:12] <some_dude> how can i extract a file from a .deb file
[04:13] <specialbuddy> some_dude, can't you just right click and select open?
[04:13] <bazhang> specialbuddy: you do know that final will be released tomorrow right?
[04:13] <specialbuddy> oh really
[04:13] <specialbuddy> haha
[04:13] <specialbuddy> that's funny
[04:13] <specialbuddy> will it be easier to install
[04:14] <bazhang> specialbuddy: define 'easy'
[04:14] <specialbuddy> well this kde4 rc2 doesn't work for me
[04:14] <specialbuddy> it loads up and I have a white screen
[04:15] <specialbuddy> followed the instructions on the kubuntu site
[04:15] <some_dude> no
[04:15] <specialbuddy> I'm not totally new to doing this stuff
[04:15] <specialbuddy> where did you download the .deb file
[04:15] <bazhang> it is pretty graphics intensive--can your system handle it specialbuddy
[04:16] <specialbuddy> probably
[04:16] <bazhang> okay..
[04:16] <specialbuddy> geforce go 7600, core 2 duo 7200 2 gb ram
[04:16] <specialbuddy> is that not good enough?
[04:17] <bazhang> more than enough--I got it going on much less in fact specialbuddy
[04:17] <specialbuddy> I have had beryl and compiz working so it will probably work
[04:17] <bazhang> certainly
[04:17] <specialbuddy> some_dude, are you still having problems
[04:19] <specialbuddy> so kde4 is going to be released for sure in 2 days?
[04:21] <bazhang> 1/11/2008; two days for some, one day for others :}
[04:21] <specialbuddy> I hope it's not hard to install
[04:23] <knic> I have a thinkpad x60s and I cannot properly enable the external video port for 1280x1024, can someone help me
[04:24] <moparguy98632> eh, um, i need the update command for kde...eh somthing simular to the apt get command used in ubuntu..or do i just get the update mannager?
[04:25] <ubuntu_> !kubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:26] <moparguy98632> !update
[04:26] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[04:26] <ubuntu_> !restricted
[04:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:37] <moparguy98632> eh I need a refresher  coarse eh hwo again do I log in with super user thingy?
[04:37] <moparguy98632> eh wats the commnad line?
[04:37] <bazhang> moparguy98632: sudo?
[04:37] <moparguy98632> !super user
[04:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about super user - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:37] <moparguy98632> ah yweaht htat one
[04:38] <posingaspopular> !konsole
[04:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konsole - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:38] <moparguy98632> so it would be sudo apt get <what ever I need>?
[04:38] <posingaspopular> moparguy98632: that's right
[04:39] <bazhang> moparguy98632: sudo apt-get install packagename for example
[04:39] <moparguy98632> ok
[04:41] <bargainmart> wasabi
[04:42] <bargainmart> is there a way to change the boot string permanently?  I have to edit manually everytime to get kubuntu to load.
[04:45] <stdin> bargainmart: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:46] <bargainmart> oh thats simple
[04:48] <Thecks> Hey, was looking for some help... Trying to connect via FTP (Konqueror, Dolphin) and normally it's fine
[04:48] <Thecks> However one username has an @ in it, I tried replacing it with + or %40
[04:48] <Thecks> And at first load it's fine, but any other actions after that
[04:48] <Thecks> Make the url into ftp://xxx...x@.com
[04:49] <Thecks> It truncates most of the username and so it doesn't work =/
[04:49] <Thecks> Any ideas anybody? :)
[04:53] <Thecks> This sucks, I expect it's a KDE issue as it effects both Konqueror and Dolphin :(
[04:55] <console_jockey> I have kubuntu gutsy installed with the medibuntu repo defined.  I'm trying to get my system to play back mp3's but without success.  I've installed gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 and ubuntu-restricted-extras but still no go. I can open dolphin with audiocd:/MP3 and see the files, but no playback.  What am I missing?
[04:56] <bazhang> kubuntu-restricted-extras console_jockey?
[04:57] <console_jockey> arg!  I install ubuntu-restriced-extras....
[04:57] <bazhang> gstreamer vs xine iirc
[04:57] <console_jockey> although when I try to install kubuntu-restricted-extra's there is nothing more to install...
[04:58] <console_jockey> I installed the gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
[04:58] <console_jockey> not xine though
[04:59] <bazhang> ah what is it--libxine1-ffmpeg? memory fails me at the moment
[04:59] <bazhang> !find ffmpeg
[04:59] <ubotu> Found: ffmpeg, ffmpeg2theora, gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, libxine1-ffmpeg, moc-ffmpeg-plugin
[04:59] <console_jockey> I appear to have installed libxine1-ffmpeg as well...
[04:59] <bazhang> odd
[05:00] <console_jockey> yeah
[05:00] <bazhang> using amarok on gutsy?
[05:00] <console_jockey> what happens when I try to play an mp3 is the player loads but not time is indicated and of course nothing plays.
[05:00] <console_jockey> amorak on gutsy as well as noatun
[05:01] <bazhang> for all of your mp3?
[05:01] <console_jockey> when I try to play an mp3 on amarok it prompts me to install mp3 support then doesn't do anything... which is also odd as this is how ive added support in the past.
[05:03] <console_jockey> yes, all mp3
[05:04] <bazhang> what engine is amarok using? you can fiddle with that and see if that helps
[05:04] <console_jockey> dont know
[05:04] <bazhang> in configuration menu you can adjust it
[05:05] <console_jockey> using xine
[05:05] <bazhang> try something else and see if that works
[05:05] <console_jockey> damn, I've gotten this to work on other machines.. and it wasn't this difficult.  I recall one of those "ah-ha!" moments when I discovered the right lib but I can't remember what it was now...
[05:05] <console_jockey> there was no other choice in the drop down, so evidently I have installed another engine.
[05:07] <bazhang> I would think that the install of ubuntu-restricted-extras is somehow conflicting with kubuntu-restricted-extras; otherwise another engine install might do it--not sure though--this is fairly critical though
[05:08] <console_jockey> let me remove the ubuntu and try to reinstall kubuntu
[05:08] <bazhang> does xmms or any other media player play them? if so then it is an amarok engine problem
[05:09] <bazhang> or just plain old vlc
[05:09] <bazhang> just as a test obviously--not a full time solution
[05:18] <console_jockey> I will check
[05:19] <bazhang> worth a shot--this is something that needs to be solved though--probably number two behind web connection imo
[05:21] <console_jockey> xine-ui won't play nor will vlc... something is definitely wrong
[05:22] <bazhang> then not an amarok issue
[05:22] <console_jockey> nope, not amarok.  it's just won't let me play mp3's
[05:24] <console_jockey> now, I am getting something from xine stating no demuxer was located to play the mp3...
[05:25] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=566021 this seems to be somewhat similar
[05:25] <bazhang> libxine1-extracodecs iirc
[05:34] <console_jockey> ok, now I think I'm going crazy.  I had thought maybe I hadn't been playing mp3's on this machine but now I know I have as I found a whole host of files I was playing for the longest time.  I think I may have installed something that broke libxine1.  When I aptitude install libxine1 I get a message that it's broken and then it suggests that I remove a whole host of applications...
[05:36] <bazhang> console_jockey: so it seems the kubuntu/ubuntu restricted deal may have been it after all, or at least the most likely candidate
[05:37] <sigma_1234> i dont use that package. i prefer installing everything manually
[05:39] <sigma_1234> so whens the next beta of hardy coming out?
[05:40] <bazhang> alpha you mean? that would be in #ubuntu+1
[05:46] <intelikey> i have an issue with iptables  any proficent ones here ?
[05:47] <intelikey> i can work through the box one dirrection but not the other way      thus i assume it's an iptables issue
[05:49] <bazhang> guarddog is a decent front end for iptables as is (gnome) firestarter--have you tried either of those?
[05:50] <intelikey> Q-collective ???   wasn't that Q-continuim and borg collective ?
[05:50] <intelikey> bazhang well no. working cli here.  but i can try them
[05:50] <Q-collective> intelikey: gotta love the mix ;)
[05:51] <intelikey> heh.  the Q gets assemilated
[05:51] <Q-collective> universe is screwed :p
[05:52] <intelikey> even species 4872 has had it    no doubt
[05:52] <intelikey> ok guarddog installed i'll give it a look see
[05:56] <catalin1234> hello
[05:56] <intelikey> wyoh!  you call that a "decent front end for iptables" i'm totally lost there.  i mean completely clueless.
[05:56] <intelikey> catalin1234
[05:56] <catalin1234> can you uninstall 'konqueror' or is it a must-have for kubuntu
[05:56] <catalin1234> i have firefox right now
[05:57] <catalin1234> i know how to uninstall it, i just don't know if it's safe
[05:57] <intelikey> test    sudo apt-get remove konqueror
[05:57] <intelikey> that will list anything it is going to take with it.
[05:58] <intelikey> and if it were to only list "kubuntu-desktop" that would be fine.  no loss at all.
[05:58] <catalin1234> it said "too many arguments"
[05:58] <catalin1234> bash: test: too many arguments
[05:59] <intelikey> test is not part of the command i was sujesting.  that's why the long      gap.
[05:59] <Q-collective> konq makes a fine filemanager aswell catalin1234
[06:00] <catalin1234> that's the thing that worries me... i know it's a file manager
[06:00] <intelikey> konqueror is a file manager.  it just does web stuff too
[06:00] <Q-collective> konqueror is more an umbrella that keeps together kparts ;)
[06:00] <catalin1234> but for file manager i always use dolphin
[06:01] <catalin1234> question is...
[06:01] <catalin1234> if i take out konq
[06:01] <ardchoille> catalin1234: konqueror is just a shell for kio_slaves. It is, IMHO, as safe as any other web browser. I'm very security-minded and I use konq as my default web browser.
[06:01] <catalin1234> do the kparts fall apart
[06:01] <bazhang> catalin1234: better to switch to gnome than try and take that out
[06:02] <Q-collective> catalin1234: well, try it. If it goes wrong then just reinstall konq
[06:02] <intelikey> test#    sudo apt-get remove konqueror
[06:02] <Q-collective> simple
[06:02] <mohi> hi all!
[06:02] <mohi> I waana to that Kubuntu 8.10 will be LTS or not?
[06:02] <mohi> *wanna
[06:02] <ardchoille> mohi: No, it will not be LTS
[06:03] <ardchoille> mohi: Oh, 8.10? No idea. But 8.04 will not be LTS
[06:03] <intelikey> ardchoille note 8.10
[06:03] <intelikey> yeah...
[06:03] <catalin1234> okey
[06:03] <catalin1234> thanx
[06:03] <ardchoille> intelikey: Yeah, misread for a sec :)
[06:03] <mohi> ardchoille: when would it be completely desisioned?
[06:04] <intelikey> ok i'm going to try to learn what in sams hill guarddog does...
[06:04] <mohi> ardchoille: I mean when can we be sure of this?
[06:04] <intelikey> mohi some time after 8.4 releases
[06:04] <Q-collective> mohi: when canonical says so
[06:05] <ardchoille> mohi: You can be sure that 8.04 will not be an LTS release.. that decision has been made already.
[06:05] <mohi> you mean that despite ubuntu 8.04 is LTS, Kubuntu may be LTS a version after this?
[06:06] <mohi> ardchoille: and officially? do you have link of news plz?
[06:07] <intelikey> ok in guarddog  under the 'zones' tab there are two 'internet' and 'local'  and no way to affect either.  why does it not see the nat ?
[06:07] <intelikey> do i need to add it ?
[06:07] <console_jockey> ok, back with the mp3 questions.  I've found that I had install mpg321 which, when I call it from the command line, will play the same mp3's that amarok, xine, noatun and vlc will not... what does that suggest?
[06:07] <vzduch> mohi: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080107#news <-- 2nd article
[06:08] <john-charles> dose any one know the command to make a simlink to a directory via terminal?
[06:08] <console_jockey> ln -s
[06:08] <intelikey> ln -s source/dir/ link/name
[06:08] <console_jockey> more specifically ln -s /path/to/symlink symlinkname
[06:08] <john-charles> thanks
[06:08] <mohi> vzduch: yeas.. I've seen this... may be something by caninical itself?
[06:09] <vzduch> mohi: if you read the article, you haven't missed https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-December/002099.html
[06:09]  * intelikey goes for firestarter to see if it makes anymore sense...
[06:10] <mohi> vzduch: its just a mailing list! I need news! I'm one of the admin members of ubuntu-ir and need a official news, I have to answer the questions in forums truely!
[06:10] <Q-collective> intelikey: imho there is no really good iptables frontend out there
[06:11] <Q-collective> it's really one of thos areas where usability lags behind
[06:12] <intelikey> Q-collective yeah.   guarddog certainly isn't one.
[06:15] <dthacker> mohi: that message in the mailing list is from a Canonical employeee.  It's accurate, and if you read it, you'll see why the decision was made.
[06:16] <console_jockey> why would a utility like mpg321 be able to playback mp3 files but not any other application i have?
[06:16] <mohi> dthacker: and I just wanna know your idea about this desision, generally.. ;) ?
[06:17] <dthacker> mohi: I agree with the decision. The timing is not right for an LTS using KDE 4.
[06:18] <mohi> dthacker: and what about 8.10? do you like it to be LTS ?
[06:18] <dthacker> If you want to continue this we should move it to offtopic, ;)
[06:18] <mohi> dthacker: and other question is : "is Kubuntu 8.04 comes with kde4 officially?" or kde3.5 ? or both?
[06:19] <dthacker> as of now, both.  but we're still in alpha....
[06:19] <vzduch> mohi: you can find all of that in this mailing list thread
[06:23] <intelikey> heh i try running the firestarter it kickstarts a wizard which asks which device is connected to the internet.   but none are.  so what do i answer to that one ?
[06:26] <intelikey> have two devices  eth0(192.168.0.0/24)  and  eth1(192.168.1.0/24)   i don't want things from one nat blocked from the other nat.   infact that's the problem that causes me to run guarddog/firestarter to unblock the 0 nat from accessing the 1 nat   ?
[06:26] <bazhang> ardchoille: nice!
[06:26] <bazhang> about time imo
[06:30] <intelikey> well from the best i can tell neither of those firewall scripts offer any option remotely close to what i need.
[06:32] <bazhang> sorry intelikey just suggestions; not really my area
[06:34] <intelikey> bazhang not blaming you.  just saying they both seem to assume some kind of default setup/need   and make no allowance for a non-default.
[06:34] <sperlo> so I  attempted to install the nvdia driver, then found the restricted nvidia driver. couldn't install, removed the nvidia I installed  now the video works great, but I seem to have some how removed my sound driver
[06:34] <intelikey> it's as if the writers think.  "if they are setting up any thing iptables related, that means they want to block something."
[06:35] <john-charles> Is there a way to see what the different colors represent on the output of an ls command in the terminal?
[06:35] <sperlo> any ideas?
[06:35] <intelikey> sperlo not unless your audio chip is getting a restricted module
[06:36] <sperlo> I   tried to lsmod snd-hda-intel and no luck
[06:36] <sperlo> well the sound worked fine before I did the restricted driver
[06:36] <some_dude> my sound may or may not be working
[06:36] <some_dude> and what files control the virtual termainls?
[06:37] <sperlo> well I got things working well then started on the video driver and now am soundless
[06:39] <intelikey> john-charles The environment variable LS_COLORS can
[06:39] <intelikey>        influence the colors, and can be set easily by the dircolors command.
[06:39] <intelikey> perhaps a clue-by-four
 and what files control the virtual termainls? <<< ?   what do you need/want ?
[06:40] <mohi> how much should I download to have KDE4 in my kubuntu?
[06:41] <monzie> Hi all
[06:41] <monzie> I am having an Acer Aspire 2920 laptop with Kubuntu 7.10
[06:41] <monzie> It has an Intel Extreme x3100 card
[06:41] <monzie> which would be the best graphics driver for such a card?
[06:41] <intelikey> some_dude basicly /etc/inittab assuming that upstart still uses one
[06:42] <some_dude> I thought it was *i guess the old way* where it said vt1= /bin/getty or something like that
[06:43] <some_dude> I'm trying to place a second kdm session vt8
[06:43] <intelikey> some_dude yeah should be an "/sbin/getty" linsting for each tty that init activates   but that doesn't exactly "control" them
[06:43] <intelikey> some_dude you don't want that then.   you want /etc/kde/kdm/kdm*
[06:44] <intelikey> .conf i think
[06:44] <monzie> which is the best driver for intel extreme graphics cards?
[06:44] <intelikey> assuming kdm   if gdm  then /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[06:44] <monzie> the "intel" or the "i810" driver?
[06:44] <some_dude> I need to edit the /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc file i think
[06:44] <mohi> how much should I download by adept to have KDE4 in my kubuntu?
[06:45] <intelikey> some_dude yeah kdmrc    guess so
[06:45] <noaXess> good morning folks... was up today?
[06:46] <some_dude> I'm not sure if I should be trying to edit the ServerVTs line or the StaticServers ?
[06:47] <some_dude> It would be nicer if kdm ran on VT7, then did a transfer to VT8, 9, 10 for each new session
[06:48] <intelikey> it should/used to
[06:48] <mohi> how can I find out spesific permissins a user have?
[06:48] <intelikey> by default i mean ^
[06:48] <intelikey> mohi groups
[06:49] <mohi> intelikey: by konsole ?
[06:49] <intelikey> mohi permissions are not set to a user but to the individual inodes
[06:49] <intelikey> mohi yes
[06:50] <mohi> intelikey: oh! tanx! worked! ;)
[06:50] <mohi> intelikey:  how much should I download by adept to have KDE4 on my kubuntu?
[06:50] <intelikey> mohi sorry i don't even really understand the question, and if i did probably couldn't answer it.
[06:51]  * intelikey is using the LTS
[06:51] <DreadKnight> mohi: you mean what to download in order to have kde4?
[06:52] <mohi> I mean I wanna have kde4 on this system! I wana have it istalled by adept and want to know how much does it download from internet to install it!
[06:52] <DreadKnight> mohi: around 200 mb the most i think
[06:53] <mohi> DreadKnight: oh! tanx!
[06:53] <DreadKnight> mohi: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive
[06:54] <stdin> I'd wait a while if I were you
[06:54] <DreadKnight> mohi: but that is still rather old compared to source.... kde4 release is tomorow
[06:54] <mohi> i see
[06:54] <DreadKnight> mohi: wait a day or to... then "sudo apt-get install kde4" :D
[06:54] <DreadKnight> two*
[06:55] <DreadKnight> the PPA is even broken since last update :|
[06:55] <mohi> DreadKnight: ;)
[06:55] <DreadKnight> :)
[07:00] <mohi> DreadKnight: dou you think kde developers when would make kde4 on kubuntu ready? or maybe a live disk?
[07:00] <Jucato> mohi: kde developers don't make distro packages. that's what distro developers/packagers do. :)
[07:01] <Jucato> and yes, there will be JKDE 4.0 packages released ASAP... so please be patient for a little while longer
[07:01] <DreadKnight> mohi: #kde4-release-party  the official kde4 release is friday... you'll find the packages in the ubuntu/kubuntu repository tomorow or so
[07:01] <mohi> Jucato: oK! them... ? when do we have kubuntu live disk with kde4
[07:02] <DreadKnight> mohi: also, kubuntu 8.04 will ship with kde4 :D
[07:02] <Owner> does Dell Wireless 1395 work on kubuntu?
[07:02] <Jucato> mohi: not entirely sure on that one. perhaps in Kubuntu Hardy (8.04) already
[07:02] <mohi> DreadKnight: boy! i wanna downloas sooner!
[07:02] <mohi> *doenload ;)
[07:02] <DreadKnight> mohi: on a new kubuntu 8.04 milestone for sure :)
[07:02] <mohi> *download! wtf!
[07:02] <sigma_1234> im getting video thats a bit jerky. what can i do to smooth it out?
[07:03] <DreadKnight> mohi: compile from svn then :D
[07:03] <Jucato> DreadKnight: I don't think so...
[07:03] <DreadKnight> Jucato: don't think so about what? :D
[07:03] <Jucato> perhaps in the Beta or RC, but not the alphas
[07:03] <DreadKnight> Jucato: oh yeah :)
[07:03] <Jucato> DreadKnight: hardy milestones/alpha releases
[07:03] <DreadKnight> Jucato: the alpha still has kde3
[07:04] <sigma_1234> im streaming da videos over a wireless network
[07:04] <Jucato> unless it has changed, there will be 2 Kubuntu Hardy versions. one with KDE 3.5.8 (or 3.5.9) and one with KDE 4.0
[07:04] <sigma_1234> isnt kubuntu hardy alpha 3 due out today?
[07:05] <DreadKnight> sigma_1234: is it? :D hmm.. i'll check about it.. perhaps will include kde4 ^^
[07:06] <sigma_1234> yeah the release schedule says 10 jan
[07:06] <Jucato> [08:20] <corevette> will KDE4 be in alpha 3?
[07:06] <Jucato> [08:23] <Riddell> corevette: no
[07:06] <Jucato> DreadKnight: ^^^^
[07:06] <sigma_1234> which is today
[07:07] <Jucato> (that was what I was referring to by "don't think so" earlier)
[07:08] <sigma_1234> kde4 would only be in it if the alpha was released tomorrow
[07:08] <stdin> sigma_1234: nope
[07:09] <DreadKnight> Jucato: xD mrrr
[07:09] <DreadKnight> sigma_1234: this things take planning and time ;) next milestone for sure
[07:09] <DreadKnight> and work :D
[07:10] <sigma_1234> so when will kde4 appear in the hardy alphas?
[07:11] <stdin> we'll see how the 4.0.0 release is first, then decide
[07:14] <jasmin_> why do i get this error checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[07:14] <stdin> !b-e
[07:15]  * stdin slaps ubotu 
[07:15] <stdin> install "build-essential"
[07:16] <Jucato> !ping
[07:16] <Jucato> bot down! bot down!
[07:28] <sigma_1234> how do i check dma is enabled on my hard drives?
[07:30] <jussi01> sigma_1234: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA
[07:33] <stdin> !test
[07:33] <Ubotwo> Fbiled.
[07:33] <sigma_1234> how did da bot die?
[07:34] <stdin> ubotu's just having a rest, Ubotwo's here to take the slack
[07:35]  * jussi01 hugs stdin 
[07:35] <sigma_1234> lol. didnt know bots needed 2rest
[07:35] <stdin> if ubotu comes back just /remove Ubotwo (if I'm not around)
[07:36] <stdin> sigma_1234: ubotu works hard, he deserves a rest :)
[07:36] <sigma_1234> stdin: is hardy alpha 3 out today?
[07:36] <sigma_1234> so true. he has certainly taught me alot :)
[07:37] <Jucato> Ubotwo: part
[07:37]  * stdin points sigma_1234 to > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyReleaseSchedule <
[07:37] <Jucato> omg! sorry
[07:37] <jussi01> stdin: sure
[07:37] <jussi01> lol
[07:37] <Jucato> sorry! I didn't know I still had power :/
[07:37] <stdin> Ubotwo: whoami
[07:37] <Ubotwo> stdin: stdin
[07:38] <stdin> that's how you knwo
[07:38] <stdin> *know
[07:38]  * Jucato didn't know that either :P
[07:38] <Tm_T> Ubotwo: whoami
[07:38] <Ubotwo> Tm_T: I don't recognize you.
[07:38] <sigma_1234> stdin: it says 10th jan. but there isnt even a wiki page 4it yet
[07:38] <n8k99> Ubotwo: whoami
[07:38] <Ubotwo> n8k99: I don't recognize you.
[07:39] <Tm_T> Ubotwo: but you should, I am the Overseer
[07:39] <Ubotwo> Tm_T: Error: "but" is not a valid command.
[07:39] <tinin> hey, what's a good wifi detection and conection application?
[07:39] <stdin> sigma_1234: then it's due today, wait and see. it'll be a nice surprise
[07:40] <sigma_1234> tinin: kwifimanager
[07:40] <tinin> thanx sigma_1234
[07:40] <sigma_1234> lol ok. just weird the wiki page is usually up way before it gets released
[07:41] <sigma_1234> no prob
[07:41] <Jucato> sigma_1234: it has always been like that
[07:43] <sigma_1234> my video is jerky but not that much. just enough 2b irritating. what could be the problem?
[07:43] <Tm_T> sigma_1234: 2b?
[07:43] <sigma_1234> to be. sorry im chatting on a cellphone
[07:44] <stdin> '[ [ 2b ] || ![ 2b ] ]'
[07:44] <Jucato> !u
[07:44] <Ubotwo> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[08:00] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[08:01]  * jussi01 runs..... nooooooooo :P
[08:01]  * ActionParsnip waves frantically
[08:05] <apparle> hi
[08:05] <ActionParsnip> hi apparle
[08:06] <apparle> what is the command to know the contents of selection buffer
[08:06] <ActionParsnip> made me laugh. Check Bug #1for Ubuntu to fix (ongoing) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
[08:06] <Ubotwo> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]
[08:06] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: ?
[08:07] <ActionParsnip> Just made me laugh :)
[08:07] <Tm_T> mmmm, ok
[08:07] <apparle> ardchoille: are you there
[08:07] <ActionParsnip> its fairly tongue in cheek
[08:07] <ardchoille> apparle: I am
[08:08] <apparle> ardchoille: do know the command in konsole to know the contents of selection buffer
[08:08] <ActionParsnip> Just looked at the new stuff in hardy. xorg.conf ease is a great new featue :D
[08:09] <ardchoille> apparle: No, If I did I would answered your question the first time you asked it :)
[08:09] <ActionParsnip> apparle, do you mean the copy buffer?
[08:09] <apparle> ardchoille: and the contents of clipboard
[08:09] <ActionParsnip> apparle, ready for pasting...
[08:10] <apparle> ActionParsnip: I did not mean that. But it would also serve my purpose
[08:11] <ActionParsnip> apparle, man klipper (i'm guessing here, googling)
[08:12] <apparle> ActionParsnip: I know klipper
[08:13] <ardchoille> apparle: If you're using klipper: dcop klipper klipper getClipboardContents
[08:13] <apparle> I want to replace the contents of 'clip' by the contents of clipboard in this command "wn clip -over"
[08:14] <apparle> ardchoille" Will this do "wn $(dcop klipper klipper getClipboardContents) -over
[08:14] <Tm_T> apparle: dcop klipper klipper getClipboardContents
[08:14] <Tm_T> bahhhhhh
[08:14] <Tm_T> ardchoille: murrr
[08:14] <ActionParsnip> apparle, http://www.usenet-forums.com/linux-general/94164-command-line-access-clipboard.html
[08:15] <ardchoille> Tm_T: :)
[08:16] <[ifr0g]> .
[08:16] <apparle> Tm_T: Will this do "wn $(dcop klipper klipper getClipboardContents) -over"
[08:16] <test1-ba-pdgin> hi, hello all
[08:16] <test1-ba-pdgin> I have a big problem with apt-get system as follows:
[08:17] <test1-ba-pdgin> I downlowded all of repository of ubuntu from archive.ubuntu.com and made a local repository for my own but
[08:17] <test1-ba-pdgin> afterrunning the "apt-get update" command it tells me:
[08:17] <test1-ba-pdgin> E: Wow, you exceeded the number of versions this APT is capable of.
[08:17] <Tm_T> apparle: try ;)
[08:18] <test1-ba-pdgin> how can I solve this problem ?
[08:19] <apparle> ardchoille & Tm_T : How do you know such complicated commands  :o
[08:19] <ardchoille> apparle: kdcop :)
[08:20] <Tm_T> apparle: I just know (well, by tabfilling in konsole
[08:20] <Tm_T> )
[08:20] <apparle> Tm_T: what is tabfilling
[08:21] <Tm_T> !tab | apparle
[08:21] <apparle> ardchoille: kdcop
[08:21] <Ubotwo> apparle: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[08:21] <apparle> ardchoille: what is kdcop?
[08:21] <Tm_T> apparle: kdcop is application
[08:21] <ActionParsnip> !kdcop
[08:21] <Ubotwo> Factoid kdcop not found
[08:21] <Tm_T> !info kdcop
[08:21] <Ubotwo> Package kdcop does not exist in gutsy
[08:21] <ActionParsnip> http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/kdcop/index.html
[08:22] <test1-ba-pdgin> hi, is not there anyone thinking about my problem ?
[08:22] <ardchoille> test1-ba-pdgin: It could be that the folks looking at their screen right now don't have an answer
[08:22] <apparle> another question, when I use  kdialog -msgbox how to display more than 1 word
[08:23] <jussi01> !night
[08:23] <Ubotwo> It's the middle of the night in the US and Europe, and surrounds.  This means that a lot of people are likely asleep, therefore there are less potential people who can answer your question.  Please be patient, and consider asking at a time when more people will be awake.  This is particularly true in the quieter channels.
[08:23] <ActionParsnip> apparle, does\ this\ type\ of\ thing\ work
[08:23] <apparle> ardchoille: :)
[08:24] <ActionParsnip> apparle, "or try maybe some quotes"
[08:24] <Tm_T> apparle: can you do "foo foo foo" ? ;)
[08:24] <ardchoille> apparle: kdialog --msgbox "this is a test"
[08:24] <Tm_T> ardchoille: murrr
[08:25] <apparle> no I have a command " kdialog -msgbox $(wn word -over)" . Only one word of text returned by "wn word -over" is displayed
[08:26] <apparle> Tm_T and ardchoille: help me with this also
[08:27] <ActionParsnip> apparle, you could replace the spaces with "\ "
[08:28] <ActionParsnip> apparle, i dont know what input kdialog uses for spaces
[08:28] <apparle> ActionParsnip I want to display the data returned by "wn word -over" in a dialog box\
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> apparle, I get it man. you may have to mess with it to put some \ characters before the spaces. or maybe "s at ehe start and end of the string
[08:30] <ActionParsnip> apparle, i'm googling away (work is dead so I have time)
[08:31] <apparle> ardchoille: Can you do this :I have a command " kdialog -msgbox $(wn word -over)" . Only one word of text returned by "wn word -over" is displayed
[08:31] <ActionParsnip> apparle, looks like it needs quotes
[08:31] <ActionParsnip> http://fosswire.com/2007/12/21/making-kde-dialogue-boxes-appear-from-shell-scripts/
[08:32] <ardchoille> apparle: Please do not hilight people unnecessarily. If we know an answer to your questions, someone will speak up
[08:32] <ardchoille> apparle: And, whatever "wn" is, I don't have it.
[08:33] <ActionParsnip> !wn
[08:33] <Ubotwo> Factoid wn not found
[08:33] <ActionParsnip> ardchoille, http://www.linuxcertif.com/man/1/wn/
[08:33] <apparle> ardchoille: I am extremely sorry. wn is dictionary which returns a paragraph about the word. wn is wordnet
[08:34] <apparle> !wordnet
[08:34] <Ubotwo> Factoid wordnet not found
[08:34] <apparle> how to choose a mirror for a download?
[08:39] <apparle> ActionParsnip: do you get anything
[08:41] <ActionParsnip> apparle, i think the return from wn needs "s round it. Can you somehow inset " characters at the start and end of the string then kdialog it?
[08:42] <apparle> nope
[08:42] <apparle> ActionParsnip: see if yu can find it
[08:43] <apparle> anybody else here knows how to insert " in a command as text
[08:43] <ActionParsnip> apparle, will do. brb
[08:44] <apparle> brb?
[08:44] <tomahasamoot> hello
[08:44] <apparle> hello
[08:45] <tomahasamoot> apparle: thank you, I was beging to think I had a problem w/ chat
[08:45] <ardchoille> apparle: Try this: kdialog --msgbox "$(uptime)"
[08:45] <Lynoure> apparle: \"
[08:45] <ardchoille> apparle: Uptime output has spaces in it, but the $(uptime) is quoted
[08:46] <tomahasamoot> kdialog --msgbox "$(uptime)"
[08:47] <ActionParsnip> apparle, is that any good. I'm at work on XP atm so I can't test
[08:47] <apparle> thanks people I will try it when home. I am doing all this to  put a simple hotkey based gui to a CLI dictionary
[08:47] <apparle> ActionParsnip: Me too
[08:47] <apparle> bye people
[08:47] <apparle> byebye
[08:47] <ActionParsnip> apparle, peace
[08:47] <apparle> thanks for all the help
[08:48] <tomahasamoot> does kubuntu use cron, anacron, or some other system?
[08:48] <tomahasamoot> I noticed that root doesn't have a crontab
[08:48] <ActionParsnip> tomahasamoot, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto
[08:48] <ardchoille> tomahasamoot: cron and anacron are both installed. And root won't have a crontab until you create one
[08:49] <tomahasamoot> ardchoille: is which one is prefered on kubuntu systems?
[08:50] <ActionParsnip> !cron | tomahasamoot
[08:50] <Ubotwo> tomahasamoot: cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[08:50] <ardchoille> tomahasamoot: The "Description" in  man anacron  explains the differences
[08:51] <athena> hello...this is off topic, but i want to connect to another channel, but don't know how to configure my program to do so (it's from Ubuntu)...can anyone help?
[08:51] <athena> (i'm an IRC newbie)...i did find a web page on the channel...but don't know what to do with it
[08:51] <ActionParsnip> athena, try /join #<channel name>
[08:52] <magickal1>  /join #channel
[08:52] <athena> nobody there...go figure...but thanks!
[08:52] <ActionParsnip> athena, np :D
[08:53] <athena> where would i go for an open discussion of distro's (unfortunately Kubuntu doesn't work well for me...adept an me seem to have an allergy)
[08:54] <athena> oh...some people are there...thank you
[08:54] <ardchoille> athena: You can also use synaptic, it's a gui front-end to APT (like adept) and some folks like it better:  sudo apt-get install synaptic
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> i only use apt
[09:04] <arturo> hey everybody i want compiz-fusion =s where download? =S
[09:05] <ardchoille> !compiz | arturo
[09:05] <Ubotwo> arturo: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[09:06] <arturo> =O
[09:24] <sebastian^> good morning folks :)
[09:27] <sigma_1234> !kmldonkey
[09:27] <Ubotwo> Factoid kmldonkey not found
[09:48] <jamii> hi, I'm having trouble turning off 3-button emulation
[09:48] <jamii> I've already deleted the 3-button line in xorg.conf but that doesnt seem to have an effect
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> jamii, did you restart x?
[09:49] <jamii> Yep
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> jamii, tried rebooting?
[09:49] <jamii> Several times - I'm debuggin an X driver
[09:49] <jamii> Will try rebooting
[09:49] <jamii> brb
[09:50] <irina> Hi all =)
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> hi irina
[09:51] <Jucato> !ping
[09:51] <ubotu> pong
[09:51] <Ubotwo> pong
[09:51] <irina> э..э...э........ русские есть? =)
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> irina, english please
[09:51] <ardchoille> !ru | irina
[09:51] <ubotu> irina: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[09:52] <irina> спасибо брат
[09:52] <ardchoille> irina: you're welcome :)
[09:53] <jamii> No luck. There doesnt seem to be anything in the KDE system settings either. I wonder where else it could be enabled?
[09:54] <irina> !ru | irina
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> jamii, i'm guessing you editted Option "Emulate3Buttons" "False" in mouse input section
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> jamii, in you xorg.conf
[09:55] <jamii> parsnip: Ah, no. I just deleted the line. Will try setting it to false.
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> jamii, worth a go :). then restart x. i think removing it does thesame but its nice to be explicit
[09:58] <onishidato> hey guys, how can i save the setting in xterm??
[09:59] <jamii> parsnip: Didnt work. Humbug.
[09:59] <onishidato> is there anyone here??
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> jamii, darn
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> sup onishidato ?
[09:59] <onishidato> how can i save a setting in xterm??
[09:59] <jamii> parsnip, I'm going to go grab a USB mouse and see if its system wide.
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> onishidato, in what way?
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> jamii, nice one
[10:00] <Jucato> xterm has settings?
[10:00] <onishidato> no not in xterm
[10:00] <onishidato> i mean
[10:01]  * ActionParsnip scratches his head
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> onishidato, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/66 (?)
[10:01] <onishidato> i try to set up a program with xterm, but it always return to the old setup when i restart my PC
[10:02] <onishidato> that's my problem
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> onishidato, is that what you mean?
[10:03] <onishidato> yeah
[10:03] <onishidato> :D
[10:04] <jamii> parsnip: its not on for the usb mouse, but it is on for my touchpad. So either its turned on for the touchscreen or the fpit driver is actually sending middle click. I'll have a fiddle with fpit and map middle to right.
[10:04] <onishidato> can you help me??
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> jamii, maybe its in bios?
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> onishidato, what do these xterm settings configure exactly?
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> onishidato, you need to edit ~/.Xresources
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> onishidato, http://www.google.co.uk/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1_____ENUK248&q=%7E%2F.Xresources&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[10:10] <onishidato> ok thanks Action
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> onishidato, np
[10:10] <onishidato> let me check it
[10:11] <onishidato> :D
[10:13] <onishidato> how can i stop skim from working, it always automatic start even if i have closed it???
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> onishidato, ps -ef | grep skim
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> onishidato, kill the most left hand process number
[10:14] <onishidato> can you explain more??
[10:14] <onishidato> i don't know what to do:(
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> onishidato, type the commands in konsole
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> onishidato, it will show you the processes named skim
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> then you will kill them
[10:16] <athena> hi, i was on here earlier...i was told there was a way to put synaptic on instead of Adept (the main reason i don't use Kubuntu). My past efforts at this have failed putting me in dependency hell. I just reinstalled...can someone help me with this?
[10:17] <onishidato> how can i kill?
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> onishidato, kill <process id>
[10:17] <athena> gosh had me worried there for a sec (coming in on the middle of how do i kill?)
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> athena, just use sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> onishidato, its the leftmost number
[10:18] <athena> i don't know how to use the apt system very well
[10:18] <athena> or what to put in...for the synaptic manager
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> athena, you dont need to :)
[10:18] <onishidato> 1000      6285  5584  0 17:17 pts/1    00:00:00 grep skim this is what i got
[10:18] <athena> so just go to the terminal and write that In?
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> onishidato, then its not running
[10:18] <athena> and i will get synaptic on the system
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> athena, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:19] <onishidato> but sometime it auto start without my permission
[10:19] <onishidato> :(
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> onishidato, is there a symlink to it in ~/.kde/autostart ?
[10:20] <athena> ok, i'm doing this
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> athena, those commands will update your repository knowledges and thendownload any updates you may need
[10:21] <athena> so how does that get me the synaptic manager?
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> athena, if you want to install software just type sudo apt-get install <program>
[10:21] <athena> is it in adept...because when i got it there before...i went into dependency hell
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> athena, sudo apt-get install synaptic when its done :)
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> athena, apt resolves deps for you :)
[10:21] <athena> hmm...wish i had known this a while ago (always learning)
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> athena, do you need updates by any chance?
[10:22] <athena> yes, i just installed.
[10:22] <athena> so it's taking it's time updating at the moment
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> athena, ok cool, get those then sudo apt-get install synaptic (if its not already installed)
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> athena, see how you go from there
[10:22] <athena> also i need to add some new repositories to get my system working (drivers and such)
[10:23] <jamii> parsnip: 3button seems to only be for the touchpad. I've fixed the touchscreen to send right clicks now. Thanks for the help
[10:23] <athena> ok thanks!
[10:23] <jamii> Now I just need to find out who the fpit maintainer is
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> athena, kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> jamii, np dude, glad its somewhat better :)
[10:24] <Jucato> (there's also a nice GUI for that in Adept Manager, Adept menu -> Manage Repositories)
[10:25] <emilsedgh> Jucato: isnt there any plan to improve Adept's UI?
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> Jucato, i always hust edit the file
[10:25] <emilsedgh> Jucato: except Inkscape, i only miss Synaptic in kde :(
[10:25] <Jucato> emilsedgh: there are. mornfall is working on it again, and yuriy is helping him with it.. but mostly for kde4
[10:25] <emilsedgh> Jucato: YES!
[10:26] <emilsedgh> Jucato: better, who cares about kde3 anymore :P
[10:26]  * Jucato does
[10:26] <Jucato> and so will most of the KDE-using world :P
[10:26]  * ActionParsnip ActionParsnip does
[10:27] <Jucato> anyway, not sure if there will be anything in store for Adept in KDE 3...
[10:27] <Jucato> (most probably nothing entirely new)
[10:27] <Tm_T> emilsedgh: I do, I care about both of them
[10:27]  * emilsedgh doesnt, its stable, keep bug fixes for a few years and then leave it...
[10:28] <Jucato> bug fixes is part of caring
[10:28] <Tm_T> emilsedgh: aye, that's good if you can think that way, I can't ;)
[10:28] <Tm_T> Jucato: big part
[10:28] <bazhang> any word on what distro will be using the kde4 final release?
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> I just wait for whatever updates I get.
[10:28] <Tm_T> bazhang: we?
[10:28] <Jucato> bazhang: any distro that will provide packages :)
[10:28] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: I just try to ruin all updates you get
[10:29] <bazhang> jucato Tm_T thanks!
[10:29]  * Tm_T hides
[10:29] <Jucato> Kubuntu, openSUSE, Fedora (they have a crazy plan), Debian, etc, etc, etc,
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T, haha cheers :)
[10:29] <emilsedgh> Jucato: are you on kde4 now?
[10:29] <Jucato> nope
[10:29] <Athena18> well it will be a while before i find out who things work...updating will take 3 hours
[10:29] <Athena18> two sorry
[10:29] <Tm_T> emilsedgh: umm, why asking?
[10:29] <Athena18> i've heard horror stories about kde4....is it really non-customisable...or was that a bad rumour
[10:29] <_Shade_> alpha3 is about to take off today. When should i expect any announcement about it?
[10:29] <emilsedgh> Tm_T: just wanted to know, what about you?
[10:30]  * Jucato points Athena18 to Beineri's post: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174 for some "warnings"
[10:30] <Tm_T> Athena18: well it's not "ready" in that sense, but yes it has more customisation options than GNOME
[10:30] <Tm_T> emilsedgh: I have both KDE 3 and 4
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> due to it not being "ready" i will not be "upgrading"
[10:30]  * Jucato would love to put "KDE 4.0 != KDE 4" in the topic at some point...
[10:30] <Athena18> well...what i heard was you could only have one panel at the bottom...i love my three panels with my own icons!
[10:30] <Tm_T> Jucato: haha
[10:31]  * Jucato points ActionParsnip to the link as well
[10:31] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: I use them both, they don't rule each others out
[10:31] <Tm_T> anyway, this is slipping to chitchat
[10:32] <_3> speakin of kde 4... any good? worried about destroying my system.. unsure if its worth it compared to kde 3.5.8 .. .and how does it go with compiz??
[10:32] <Tm_T> _3: you don't need compiz with it, but yes you can have them both
[10:32] <emilsedgh> _3: its Stable now, but not that customizable.also a few applications are not ported yet and you should use 3.x version
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T, I'm a very casual user. I'm not to bothered for prettys or stuff like that.Chat and browse, yeah I need the latest gumf
[10:32] <Athena18> thanks for the link...doesn't look as bad as i heard (or more like it will improve in all likelyhood
[10:32] <Jucato> _3: it's good as a point 0 release can be. why would it destroy your system. it has it's own fancy effects
[10:32] <onishidato> ActionParsnip: how can i know it?
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> onishidato, know what?
[10:33] <Athena18> but eventually it will be customizable with the 4.1
[10:33] <Athena18> ?
[10:33] <Jucato> Athena18: it *will* improve
[10:33] <Tm_T> Athena18: and more after it, and so on
[10:33] <onishidato> ActionParsnip: is there a auto start link?
[10:33] <Athena18> good, i was loathing giving up KDE...but i thought i might have to!
[10:34] <bazhang> best to head to #kde for these kind of questions?
[10:34] <ima-n00b> ok thanks (was _3 but it wasnt meant to be that nick)... i was meaning stabiltiy / apps ported / customisation wise
[10:34] <Athena18> and yes i knew it was more or less in BETA but still it sounded like a huge change
[10:34] <Jucato> Athena18: hopefully... remember, the current "customizable" version you are using is 3.5... that's 5 major releases after 3.0... so just imagine how much KDE 4 will progress as you go from 4.0 to 4.1 to 4.2 , etc
[10:34] <Athena18>  ok
[10:34] <ima-n00b> so all my questions were answered.. thanks :)
[10:34] <emilsedgh> 4.0 is so stable now, its no more 'Beta Quality'
[10:34] <Athena18> join channel #cc
[10:35] <Athena18> oops...how do i join another channel (still new to IRC)
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T, if I just chat and browse and I'm not too fussd for prettys then I'm not getting KDE4 until its in repos and I accidentally pull it down with my automatic updates
[10:35] <onishidato> ActionParsnip: how can i know if there is a auto start link to my program??
[10:35] <bazhang> Athena18: /join #channelname
[10:35] <Athena18> thanks...!
[10:35] <mueslix> morning... i just tried to install the latest alpha and i noticed something rather weird (but absolutely reproducable): i have two nvidia cards in my system. after running the installer for a few minutes, suddenly all monitors go blank (and tell me that there's no signal)
[10:35] <bazhang> no worries :}
[10:36] <mueslix> it's not happening at some magic point during installing, but seems rather time-based
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> onishidato, check ~/.kde/Autostart, there will be a symlink file in there
[10:36] <bazhang> mueslix: hardy?
[10:36] <mueslix> anyone ever experienced something similar
[10:36] <mueslix> yes
[10:36] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 mueslix
[10:36] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: yes, isn't it great to have choices ;)
[10:36] <ima-n00b> oh, i just realised another question... apps that are built for kde 3.. they wont have been ported yet (eg ktorrent, kvirc, smb4k)
[10:36] <mueslix> bazhang: i assumed it's a general issue, nothing kubuntu specific
[10:37] <Tm_T> ima-n00b: btw, KDE 4.0 isn't BETA
[10:37] <mueslix> i'm not looking for a magic fix (yet), i'm just wondering if anyone experienced something similar, maybe even with gutsy
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T, yeah it is but i just want no viri / spyware system. I can do stuff with my system but when i get back from work I cant be bothered
[10:37] <mueslix> i did have similar issues once during the filesystem check at bootup. if the system doesn't load the nvidia drivers quickly enough the cards go haywire
[10:38] <ima-n00b> Tm_T: cool.. but i would still need kde3 to run kde3 apps under kde4 right?
[10:38] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: ok, now you lost me, but prolly wasn't anything important
[10:38] <Tm_T> ima-n00b: IIRC no
[10:38] <Tm_T> ima-n00b: or perhaps
[10:38] <Jucato> ima-n00b: you don't need a full kde 3 session for that
[10:38] <Jucato> ima-n00b: you can run kde 3 apps in a kde 4 session and vice versa
[10:39] <ima-n00b> oh.. ok.. that makes things easier... sort of lol
[10:40] <ima-n00b> hmm... may have a fun few days ahead of me... my kubuntu install isnt done by the traditional method... so it kinda takes longer
[10:40] <XBehave> is theyre a good program to see partition usage? and how can i empty my swap or atleast temporarily shift it to  a file!
[10:40] <onishidato> ActionParsnip: where can i find it??
[10:41] <ima-n00b> XBehave: in a terminal type df -h
[10:41] <emilsedgh> XBehave: free
[10:41] <Jucato> or Filelight
[10:41] <Jucato> emilsedgh: free is for memory usage though
[10:41] <emilsedgh> Jucato: oh sorry
[10:41] <emilsedgh> whats wrong with me today!
[10:42] <emilsedgh> XBehave: there is a kdiskfree application too, i think
[10:42] <XBehave> thx df -h is all i needed
[10:43] <ima-n00b> sorry to be a pain again... another one about kde4... are the names that you use to install the packages the same as kde3.. so for example to install kde4 base you type sudo apt-get install kdebase ???
[10:43] <Jucato> ima-n00b: mostly, except they'll have the number 4 (or 5 in the case of kdelibs)
[10:44] <ima-n00b> Jucato: ok.. thanks....
[10:45] <emilsedgh> Jucato: why kdelibs is 5?
[10:45] <Jucato> long story. Debian wackiness
[10:45] <emilsedgh> and why its 4 in kde3 series?
[10:45] <_Angelus_> guy,,,
[10:46] <_Angelus_> nsplugin is crashing on konqueror, and not working  on opera
[10:46] <_Angelus_> but firefox is ok...
[10:46] <_Angelus_> if i try to remove konq-nsplugin... it remove half of my system
[10:46] <_Angelus_> what am  i gonna do? :S format? :S
[10:48] <emilsedgh> _Angelus_: format? no, thats not an option
[10:50] <_Angelus_> ermmm ... ok emilsedgh,,, do you have another option? please? xD
[10:51] <emilsedgh> _Angelus_: no, but im sure formatting is not an option
[10:51] <_Angelus_> :/
[11:04] <_Angelus_> so no one has an answer for my troubles? :(
[11:05] <dhq> when i configure glibc why do i get this error checking the size of long double... configure: error: cannot compute sizeof (long double), 77
[11:19] <balachmar> how do I turn on the desktop effects in kubuntu? I am just trying out kde...
[11:22] <XBehave> can you resize an active pv?
[11:25] <gladier> hey guys - i need a hand getting a adaptec 2940 controller to run synchronously
[11:40] <waylandbill> hello. firefox can have settings locked using firefox.cfg. Is there similar functionality in Konqueror?
[11:43] <XBehave> is there a way to make the pannels above everything? i have a dropdown pannel but if i have an above all window i cant see it
[11:57] <stmartin> hi! I want to ask you, how to change directory (cd) to desktop on the terminal?
[11:58] <bazhang> cd ~/Desktop?
[12:01] <Exilant> Something seems to be wrong with my kdes handling of usb mass storage, sometimes they are mounted read-only, often two windows pop up from kde-daemon (gutsy with latest updates), anyone knows those problems?
[12:07] <waylandbill> is there a way to lock konqueror settings like firefox's firefox.cfg ?
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[12:13] <Exilant> waylandbill: what do you mean, like chmod u-w ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konueror.rc?
[12:14] <Exilant> or just save it as a profile and being able to restore that?
[12:14] <spaci76> hi@ll
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> hi spaci76
[12:22] <waylandbill> Exilant: that's not a bad idea. Thanks.
[12:23] <_Shade_> where can i expect alpha3 announcement? It's about to take off today according to the release schedule
[12:23] <_Shade_> *where=when
[12:24] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 topic
[12:24] <waylandbill> Exilant: might even be able to change the user that owns the file to root to prevent possible chmod back to writabke
[12:57] <femi> yo dudes linux rocks
[12:57] <agm> my external hdd is not  working
[12:59] <agm> cant see it in fdisk -l
[12:59] <agm> not in lsusb
[13:00] <agm> anothing happens in var/log/messages
[13:01] <agm> even tried removing ehci_hcd
[13:06] <waylandbill> femi: preaching to the chior. ;-)
[13:24] <se7en> since 2 days on 2 different boxes i get Another window manager is already running on screen: 0 after compiz --replace ?????????????
[13:26] <stmartin> how to play subtitle (.sub file) in movie player?
[13:26] <Exilant> hm, maybe sth. in the updates was wrong, noticed my compiz doesn't work anymore either
[13:27] <dappermuis> stmartin, there's a way to do it with mplayer
[13:27] <dappermuis> just man mplayer and look for the part on subtitles
[13:28] <stmartin> how to download it?
[13:28] <dappermuis> sudo apt-get install gmplayer
[13:29] <Jucato> stmartin: I think there's a way to load Subtitles in Kaffeine (Player menu -> Subtitles)
[13:29] <Jucato> there's also kmplayer :)
[13:31] <stmartin> and gxine?
[13:32] <Jucato> Kaffeine uses Xine
[13:35] <stmartin> It gives me message to write xvinfo
[13:36] <stmartin> it tells me that my card doesn't support xv
[13:38] <posingaspopular> amarak also uses kaffeine
[13:40] <Jucato> posingaspopular: you mean amarok uses xine right? :D
[13:41] <posingaspopular> yea thats what i mean
[13:41] <posingaspopular> it's 7:45am over here, cut me some slack
[13:41] <Jucato> sorry, I don't use slackware :)
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> surely #slackware is advisable
[13:42] <Pici> !botsnack
[13:42] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[13:42]  * Jucato wonders if ActionParsnip is riding on the joke too... or just didn't get it :)
[13:43]  * ActionParsnip just got here :P
[13:43] <Jucato> then you didn't :P
[13:44] <posingaspopular> i said it was early over here, cut me some slack. Jucato doesn't use slackware ;p
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> posingaspopular, nice one :D
[13:45] <stick> can enyone tell me how can i play mp3's in kubuntu ?
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> posingaspopular, are you EST?
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> !amarok | stdin
[13:45] <ubotu> stdin: Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.7 (1.4.3 for Dapper LTS). Packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> !xmms | stick
[13:45] <ubotu> stick: Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[13:46] <posingaspopular> ActionParsnip: central time
[13:46] <jpatrick> stick: ^^
[13:46] <stick> yes
[13:46] <Jucato> jpatrick: now you did it... triggering stdin :P
[13:46] <ActionParsnip> !mplayer | stick
[13:46] <ubotu> stick: mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[13:46] <jpatrick> Jucato: ActionParsnip did it!
[13:47] <ActionParsnip> Stick, you'll need the mp3 codec too
[13:47] <stick> i habe the pplayer ...the problem is that i run it and it says that i don;t have the codec for it
[13:47] <Jucato> jpatrick: oh sorry lol
[13:47] <ActionParsnip> !codec | stick
[13:47] <ubotu> stick: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[13:47] <Jucato> ActionParsnip: now you did it.. triggering stdin!
[13:47] <jpatrick> Jucato: now you did it... twice :O
[13:47] <Jucato> jpatrick: I know. stdin's going to kill me (now that's thrice)
[13:47] <ActionParsnip> Jucato, why?
[13:47] <stick> thant it starts to download somenting it sais that he finisht install them ...and to restart Amarok...the the same shit all over again
[13:48] <Jucato> ActionParsnip: it's more about annoying stdin that it is actually about blaming you (4 times now)
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> Jucato, hahah keep it up
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> stick: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install amarok
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> stick, amarok is a standard app in kubuntu :D
[13:50] <stick> i'm a noob in kubuntu ...and it's hard for me to understand what yyou are trying to tell me
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> stick, when you installed, you got amarok (cos it kicks ass)
[13:51] <stick> but i wont give up ...i'mm full of microsoft shit to the bone ...so ..i'll try to search some documentation
[13:51] <jpatrick> !language | stick, ActionParsnip
[13:51] <ubotu> stick, ActionParsnip: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[13:52] <ActionParsnip> stick, they dont ship mp3 codecs due to some copyright stuff (i think)
[13:52] <ActionParsnip> ass = a donkey ;)
[13:52] <ActionParsnip> stick: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3
[13:53] <Jucato> ActionParsnip: nice try... but no :P
[13:53] <ActionParsnip> stick, Open Amarok and play an mp3 file. Amarok will ask you if you would like to add mp3 support and then install the libxine1-ffmpeg package
[13:54] <ActionParsnip> stick: or in konsole you can type sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[13:55] <stick> sry my net is crap
[13:56] <stick> enyway thx for help
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> stick, you got it nailed?
[14:02] <epssi> hello
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> lo epssi
[14:03] <stick> !codecs
[14:03] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[14:03] <posingaspopular> hi epssi
[14:03] <epssi> when i copy something from a usb stick or cd/dvd, the files have only read permissions on my computer by default. how can i change this?
[14:03] <stick> !mp3
[14:03] <ActionParsnip> stick: in konsole you can type sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[14:03] <ActionParsnip> stick: that will give you mp3 codec
[14:04] <stick> thank oyu
[14:04] <stick> you
[14:04] <stmartin> why I have "vesa" driver?
[14:05] <TuxOtaku> !KDE4
[14:05] <TuxOtaku> hmm
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> stick: all playing now?
[14:05] <ubotu> kde4 is KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://tinyurl.com/2gqwmr - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[14:05] <TuxOtaku> KDE 4 is supposed to be officially released tomorrow, right?
[14:05] <Tm_T> TuxOtaku: and?
[14:06] <stick> sudo apt-get install libxine1 -ffmpeg
[14:06] <posingaspopular> yes TuxOtaku
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> stick libxine1-ffmpeg
[14:06] <stick> nothing happend
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> stick:all one word
[14:06] <TuxOtaku> will it be available from the kubuntu repos tomorrow?
[14:06] <Tm_T> TuxOtaku: perhaps, should but who knows for sure
[14:07] <stick> sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> stick: yes
[14:07] <Tm_T> TuxOtaku: I believe http://www.kubuntu.org will have info in the front page when they are available
[14:07] <Tm_T> TuxOtaku: also it will be mentioned in the channel topic here
[14:07] <stmartin> how to change the driver from vesa to nvidia?
[14:07] <zero1> hi guys, anyone ever experience laptop resuming after hibernate, then just before you unlock the desktop it hibernates again?
[14:07] <stick> sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[14:08] <ActionParsnip> !nvidia | stmartin
[14:08] <ubotu> stmartin: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[14:08] <stick> nothing
[14:08] <ActionParsnip> stick, what message do you get?
[14:09] <stick> that command it doesen't do nothing
[14:09] <stick> but guys ...i have Kubuntu ..all documentation that you gived me is for Ubuntu
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> stick: so you type it in a console? Like a "DOS Prompt" window
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> stick: apt is the same for all the buntus as well as any other distro using apt
[14:10] <stick> i don't have some application taht ubuntu have ..at least i didn't find them
[14:10] <stick> oo
[14:10] <zero1> hi guys, anyone ever experienced laptop resuming after hibernate, then just before you unlock the desktop it hibernates again?
[14:11] <ActionParsnip> stick: i'd do a sudo apt-get update first too
[14:12] <stick> thx for you'r pacients(hope i'v speel it right) ActionParsnip
[14:12] <stick> i'm from romania ...i understand english ...but my rightin ...:)
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> stick np man
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> stick: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> stick: you getting a tonne of updates now?
[14:16] <stick> sudo apt-get install libxinel1-ffmpeg
[14:16] <stick> Reading package lists... Done
[14:16] <stick> Building dependency tree
[14:16] <stick> Reading state information... Done
[14:16] <stick> E: Couldn't find package libxinel1-ffmpeg
[14:16] <stick> sry for flood
[14:17] <stmartin> why my driver is "vesa"?
[14:17] <llutz>  libxine1-ffmpeg
[14:17] <Bauldrick> are there any decent visualizations for amarok ?
[14:17] <zero1> has anyone experienced a laptop that immediately Hibernates  after Resume finishes???
[14:17] <stmartin> !vesa
[14:17] <ubotu> vesa is the default video driver if X can't find a better one. Also see !x
[14:17] <solussd> vesa is 'default'
[14:17] <stmartin> !x
[14:17] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[14:17] <stmartin> I have nvidia driver
[14:17] <Jucato> stmartin: it's the default open source driver if your card wasn't detected properly
[14:17] <stmartin> I have nvidia card*
[14:17] <solussd> download it using the restricted driver installer
[14:17] <Bauldrick> and I still can't get the track info for cd's with amarok
[14:17] <Jucato> stmartin: then you can use either the open source driver (nv) o ruse restricted manager to get the binary nvidia driver
[14:17] <stick> i'v runed the comand fosr updates....and ...
[14:18] <stmartin> I have the nvidia-glx
[14:18] <stmartin> installed
[14:18] <llutz> stick that package is named "libxine1-ffmpeg" not libxinel1...
[14:18] <stmartin> In Synaptic Package Manager
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> stick, cool that will make sure your system is fully updates
[14:18] <tzd> hi, I would like to know if i need to install any packages on Kubuntu Gutsy to be able to sync Korganizer and my mobile phone (Sony Ericsson k750) please?
[14:19] <Jucato> stmartin: have you tried using the Restricted (Devices) Manager? System Settings -> Advanced tab
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> tzd: http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2007/07/syncing-mobile-phone-and-kontact-via.html
[14:19] <zero1> has anyone experienced a laptop that immediately Hibernates  after Resume finishes???
[14:20] <stick> damn ..i have big lag
[14:20] <stick> do i need to have the cd with kubuntu n the cd-rom
[14:20] <stick> ?
[14:20] <llutz> stick: you just have to spell it right
[14:21] <tzd> ActionParsnip: thanks :)
[14:21] <stmartin> why I get this message from mplayer "no Xvideo support for your video card available"?
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> stmartin,http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=356128
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> stmartin, did you google any?
[14:22] <stmartin> yes
[14:22] <stmartin> but I didn't find it
[14:22] <stick> what i whanted to know is ...where do i get the updates form...from internet or from the instalation cd of kubuntu
[14:22] <llutz> stick: internet
[14:23] <stick> i'm not reciving any updates from the internet
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> stick: the repositories online
[14:23] <Jucato> stick: then your cdrom repository is still probably enabled, blocking the internet repositories
[14:23] <Bauldrick> g#
[14:23] <stick> sudo apt-get update
[14:23] <stick> Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1) gutsy/main Translation-en_US
[14:23] <stick> Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1) gutsy/restricted Translation-en_US
[14:23] <stick> Reading package lists... Done
[14:24] <stick> that's all that it does
[14:24] <stick> nothing more ...
[14:25] <stick> i saw cdrom:// ...... that's why i'v ask if i need the origina cd
[14:26] <posingaspopular> !paste | stick
[14:26] <ubotu> stick: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[14:27] <stick> opz ...did i do something bad ?
[14:27] <Jucato> stick: in Adept Manager, go to Adept menu -> Manage Repositories -> Third-party software tab -> uncheck the cdrom line
[14:27] <tzd> just a simple question; if i have a packet installed already and get it once again with the command: "sudo apt-get install packetname" what will happen? Will i mess something up or will the system recognize it's already installed and automatically not install it?
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> tzd: it will seethe existing one
[14:28] <Jucato> tzd: it will say it's installed
[14:28] <tzd> ActionParsnip: great, cheers!
[14:28] <tzd> thx Jucato ;)
[14:29] <posingaspopular> tzd: yea what Jucato said. it's okay. it wont break anything.
[14:29] <tzd> posingaspopular: Right thanks mate :)
[14:31] <stick> ok i'v done that
[14:35] <stick>  sudo apt-get update
[14:35] <stick> Get:1 http://archive.canonical.com gutsy Release.gpg [191B]
[14:35] <stick> Hit http://archive.canonical.com gutsy Release
[14:35] <stick> Hit http://archive.canonical.com gutsy/partner Sources
[14:35] <stick> Fetched 1B in 16s (0B/s)
[14:35] <stick> Reading package lists... Done
[14:36] <posingaspopular> !paste
[14:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[14:36] <stick> so...what now ?
[14:38] <stmartin> I did everything and my drivers are still vesa
[14:38] <stmartin> should I change them manually in nvidia?
[14:38] <Bauldrick> stick: sudo apt-get upgrade       ......   but what are you trying to do?
[14:41] <stick> if i write ...sudo apt-get udate libxinel1-ffmpeg....will it update the mp3 codec ??
[14:42] <Bauldrick> apt-get install libxinel1-ffmpeg
[14:42] <stmartin> When I get in device manager, my nvidia card is unknown?
[14:43] <stick> Couldn't find package libxinel1-ffmpeg
[14:44] <epssi> when i copy something from a usb stick or cd/dvd, the files have only read permissions on my computer by default. how can i change this?
[14:44] <Bauldrick> sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[14:44] <Bauldrick> spelling
[14:46] <stick> Package libxine1-ffmpeg is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[14:46] <stick> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[14:46] <stick> is only available from another source
[14:46] <stick> E: Package libxine1-ffmpeg has no installation candidate
[14:46] <Darktan_> are there any programs for accessing a palm pilot for linux?
[14:47] <stick> i thik i'm cursed
[14:47] <stick> :))
[14:48] <Athena18> hi
[14:48] <Darktan_> hi
[14:48] <stick> so the pckage is not available...now what do i do
[14:48] <stick> hy
[14:48] <Athena18> I've been told i can put synaptic in as my software manager...
[14:48] <Athena18> me and adept have an allergy
[14:48] <Athena18> i've finally updated everything...now how do i get it on? just go into adept and download it?
 how are you cursed?
[14:50] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[14:50] <bazhang> !info synaptic
[14:50] <ubotu> synaptic: Graphical package manager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.60ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 1280 kB, installed size 5932 kB
[14:50] <Darktan_> crap, i was just gonna say that
[14:50] <stick> look above ...what it told me about xinel
[14:51] <stick> tha package is not available
[14:51] <Athena18> before i came on...so i just do that...and it will be my package manager after that (can i get rid of adept...so synaptic will take care of updates and such?
[14:53] <Athena18> xine...you might need to be in the non free repositories...they are legal outside the US (generally) but not always in (because of Microsoft patent)
[14:53] <Athena18> just like PGP
[14:53] <stick> enyway i'm noob ..in kubuntu at least ....maby i did somethig wrong ...i don't know
[14:54] <Athena18> i'm used to KDE, just not Kubuntu...what is the problem
[14:54] <Athena18> (been using it for over a year...year and half at least)
[14:54] <bazhang> stick: did you install kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[14:54] <stick> i whant to play mp3 and movies ....
[14:55] <stick> if i knew how ...
[14:55] <Athena18> you need to add non-free repositories...ubuntu doesn't like them...they need to be added manually
[14:55] <bazhang> stick: please answer my question if you want help
[14:55] <Athena18> mp3 is not *legal* on linux per say
[14:55] <Athena18> (depends on country again)
[14:55] <Tm_T> Athena18: depends also who says it
[14:55] <stick> i don't know how to install enything man ...i just told you i'm noob...
[14:56] <bazhang> stick: are you needing assistance or not?
[14:56] <Athena18> so it isn't free...do you have the universe and multiuniverse repositories turned on?
 yes i agree...
[14:56] <Tm_T> !mp3 | stick
[14:56] <ubotu> stick: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[14:56] <Athena18> that's the robot isn't it?
[14:56] <stick> tm_t
[14:56] <bazhang> yea Athena18
[14:57] <stick> what i't write on thows sitet i't doesent help me
[14:57] <Athena18> there ARE ubuntu directories for it (haven't been in ubuntu for a while but i know they are there). Alternatively...older MEPIS one's might be compatible (before 7.0 we used ubuntu repositories)
[14:57] <Athena18> do you know how to ADD a repository?
[14:58] <Tm_T> stick: how it didn't help?
[14:58] <bazhang> stick: if you need assistance you need to answer questions or do some reading--saying I am a noob will not help you solve your problem
[14:58] <stick> because ///first i dont have other player beside Amrok...and there it speaks o Xinel
[14:58] <stick> no i don't
[14:58] <Tm_T> stick: Amarok uses Xine
[14:58] <Jucato> it's xine, not xinel :)
[14:59] <bazhang> :}
[14:59] <Athena18> it speaks other languages...as well...likely those are installed just not the one's for MP# (try putting a CD in and you'll see)
[14:59] <stick> oky my mistake
[14:59] <Tm_T> please kids, try be helpful ;)
[14:59] <bazhang> Tm_T: sorry
[15:00] <Jucato> Tm_T: I have to emphasize that because earlier he entered libxinel1-ffmpeg, which gave him errors
[15:00] <Jucato> just making sure that if he types a command or a package, it will be the correct one
[15:00] <Tm_T> Jucato: uuh, that sounds fun then
[15:00] <stick> look man ...i'm from romania ..i understand english but my righting is bad ...if you whant to help me ..ok ...if you whant to joke on me ..that's something else
[15:00] <Tm_T> stick: we all are here to help
[15:00] <bazhang> yes stick
[15:01] <Athena18> my written french is terrible...but it CAN be read...i can understand your english
[15:01] <stick> ok...i understant that it is very hard for you to help me ..in specialy i don;t understand al the terms that you use
[15:01] <Jucato> stick: your english is fine. but the command line is less forgiving. a single wrong letter can make a big difference. which is how you got an error earlier
[15:02] <Athena18> i've had my own frustrations with media...trying to get Kaffeine working can be hard...
[15:02] <Athena18> (if you want it to do everything)
[15:02] <Bauldrick> stick: tried ... sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:02] <stick> ok..than i'v writet ok ..an it saind the package is not available
[15:02] <stick> no that i did'n tryed
[15:02] <stick> just a sec
[15:02] <Tm_T> Athena18: does "all" here :/
[15:03] <Captain_Haddock> Even though my integrated audio is detected as  nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2), my kMix is empty and the tray icon has a glaring x on it. Any idea why?
[15:03] <stick> Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extras
 i'm a Cannuck...maybe we write different...then again maybe we don't!
[15:04] <epssi> stick: open "add/remove programs" from the K-menu and install "kubuntu restricted extras"
[15:04] <Athena18> cut and paste it into your command line stick...it worked for me (i'm still setting up my system and want the same stuff)
[15:04] <Jucato> I don'tthink has the proper repositories enabled yet...
[15:04] <Captain_Haddock> Athena18: I think there's only a "ubuntu-restricted-extras"
[15:04] <Captain_Haddock> and a xubuntu, not a kubuntu
[15:04]  * Jucato teaches Athena18 the joys of autocompleting nicknames using Tab
[15:04] <Captain_Haddock> not sure
[15:04] <Jucato> Captain_Haddock: there's a kubuntu
[15:04] <Captain_Haddock> ok
[15:04] <bazhang> Captain_Haddock: there is a kubuntu as well
[15:05] <Athena18> oh, i AM still learning IRC...i don't even know how to talk to someone particularly (i was just typing)
[15:05] <Athena18> only recently registered my nick
[15:05] <Jucato> now you know how :)
[15:05]  * Captain_Haddock confirms - there is :P
[15:05] <Jucato> !tab | Athena18
[15:05] <ubotu> Athena18: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[15:06] <Athena18> captain haddock is this working?
[15:06] <Athena18> nope
[15:06] <Athena18> This is what I'll be learning Stick
[15:06] <epssi> stick: if you cannot find this package, you need to open "edit software sources" in the "add/remove programs" window, and enable "restricted" and "multiverse"
[15:06] <posingaspopular> Athena18: you'll pick it up soon enough
[15:06] <bazhang> Athena18: type the first few letters then hit tab for the nick
[15:06] <Athena18> i figure i will
[15:07] <Athena18> just be tolerant!
[15:07]  * Jucato points Athena18 to bazhang's instructions :)
[15:07] <Athena18> i'll go read the instructions...just not this early in the morning...i've cut and pasted the address
[15:07] <Tm_T> epsis_poissa: noooooo
[15:07] <Captain_Haddock> any ideas on my sound issues?
[15:07] <stick> aham
[15:08] <Tm_T> epsis_poissa: ei awaynickejä kiitos
[15:08] <Jucato> gah! I just remembered I need to fix that in add/remove...
[15:08] <Athena18> printers can be a killer...it took me 10 days to get mine working on my old system (i think it will be quicker here...the problem was that the normal drivers had to be gotten rid of because it was multipurpose!)
[15:09] <Athena18> but then i'm slow on that type of stuff
[15:09] <Athena18> don't think my speakers are working yet either
[15:10] <Athena18> ok i put in those exact commands for the different repositories...it asked me for my original CD...what does it need off there (it isn't saying...)
[15:11] <Athena18> (hold on looks like it's found it...still that is a quirky way of doing things!)
[15:11] <Athena18> stick 1. have you tried cutting and pasting the original command and 2. do you still have your CD?
[15:11] <combinio> hi, do u know maybe how to connect router under linux ?
[15:12] <Athena18> no idea...don't use one
[15:12] <Athena18> hello combinio
[15:12] <combinio> Athena18: heeeeeeeeello :))
[15:13] <stick> ok...i'v done the edit souces ...but the thing is i can't install enythig because they are deactivated ...the appear in gray to me..the rest of that application(i have them allready ) i can olny uninstall them
[15:13] <Athena18> I'm back...Adept drove me nuts again...but people explained there WAS a way to use Synaptic in KUbuntu (which was what i did with my old distro, but it had other features so i wanted to try moving on)
[15:14] <Athena18> but you know i wanted to move...
[15:14] <jussi01> Athena18: just install synaptic... I have that at work...
[15:14] <tuxick> amazing, so many different interfaces to the same thing
[15:14] <tuxick> and they all suck in their own way
[15:14] <Athena18> that's what i'm doing...when i did it in the past through adept i ended up in dependency hell and the whole system broke down
[15:15] <Athena18> yes, kubuntu is slow...i'm looking for two distro's...this being my slow one but easy to use (mostly)
[15:15] <jussi01> Athena18: ok, so install it from the command line, sudo aptitude install synaptic
[15:15] <Athena18> Freespire actually has FIREFOX set up to CRASH if you use the adblock!
[15:15] <Athena18> every time i used adblock it crashed...otherwise it was fine!
[15:15] <Athena18> talk about gall
[15:15]  * Tm_T has everything running fine and fast
[15:15] <SkyblastAtWork> Kubuntu is slow?
[15:15] <SkyblastAtWork> News to me.
[15:16] <Athena18> i have an older machine...yes for me it is slow.
[15:16] <bazhang> SkyblastAtWork: not really no
[15:16] <ibou> i have a problem with th function copy/paste. Its only copying the texte i copyed first but doesnt care about the texte i copyed after.
[15:16] <Tm_T> !ot | FYI
[15:16] <ubotu> FYI: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[15:16] <ibou> help please
[15:16] <tuxick> Athena18: don't run kde on old machines
[15:16] <tuxick> unless you add ram
[15:16] <Athena18> I have a half gig of ram
[15:16] <tuxick> that should do
[15:16] <Tm_T> tuxick: no FUD there
[15:16] <SkyblastAtWork> I have half a gig her on my work box
[15:16] <Athena18> i tried using an xfce system....and well it was confusing
[15:16] <SkyblastAtWork> 1.7GHz Celeron... crappy machine, but it works fine
[15:16] <SkyblastAtWork> It's no demon, but neither is gnome on it
[15:17] <tuxick> Tm_T: it's realistic, kde is heavier than a simple windowmanager like WM
[15:17] <Athena18> this isn't bad, slow is relative...much faster than windows...I"m a p3 933mh gal
[15:17] <jussi01> Athena18: ok, cool. have you installed synaptic now?
[15:17] <Tm_T> tuxick: I know, but still it's FUD
[15:17] <tuxick> not intended as such
[15:17] <Athena18> the machine is still putting on all sorts of stuff...although synaptic is on it's way
[15:17] <Tm_T> tuxick: I'm long time WM user
[15:17] <Athena18> WM?
[15:17] <tuxick> then you know the difference ;)
[15:17] <tuxick> windowmaker
[15:17] <jussi01> Athena18: :)
[15:18] <Athena18> (i'm still looking for a second distro?)
[15:18] <Tm_T> tuxick: I do, and KDE runs just fine even with 64 MB ram
[15:18] <jussi01> !ot
[15:18] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[15:18] <stick> ok...i'v done the edit souces ...but the thing is i can't install enythig because they are deactivated ...the appear in gray to me..the rest of that application(i have them allready ) i can olny uninstall them
[15:18] <Tm_T> jussi01: krhm
[15:18] <tzd> !sync
[15:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sync - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:18] <tzd> !bluetooth
[15:18] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[15:18] <tuxick> Tm_T: that's UNFUD :)
[15:18] <Athena18> UNFUD?
[15:18] <tuxick> dunno what to call it
[15:19] <stick> so ...can enyone tell me why i can't install eny program beside the ones i have ?
[15:19] <Athena18> KDE is much faster than any comparable MS product...it's more a matter of what you are willing to accept
[15:19] <tuxick> Athena18: maybe you have kde configured with all bells and whistles on?
[15:19] <Athena18> have you tried seeing if you have a problem with your repositories generally stick...guys what is the apt for checking your system generally?
[15:19] <stick> ha ?
 actually not very many, that is why it runs ok...i just like the feel of it being real fast!
[15:20] <tuxick> how fast is CPU?
[15:20] <Athena18> 933
[15:20] <tuxick> and which part is slow anyway?
[15:20] <jussi01> stick: could you repeat your problem exactly for me?
[15:20] <Athena18> someone told it to me yesterday...i needed to use it to update my system...could be causing the problem stick
[15:20] <Tm_T> Athena18: tuxick: like to join #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[15:21]  * genii puts on a pot of coffee
[15:21] <stick> so ...i'v runed add/reomve programs....
[15:21]  * posingaspopular puts on a cup of genii
[15:21] <Athena18> joined
[15:21] <bazhang> he cant play mp3 with amarok jussi01; needs to add kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:21] <genii> posingaspopular: Hiya :)
[15:22] <stick> the window appears..in left with the categories ...accesibilitis ..development ...and so on....
[15:22] <Jucato> actually I think he needs proper repos...
[15:22] <bazhang> that too
[15:22]  * Jucato is a bit too tired to think how to go about this though :(
[15:23] <stick> for example i go to system...i have the list with the programs
[15:23] <Athena18> are you in the terminal stick?
[15:23] <Athena18> where you can only type in letters and numbers nothing to click
[15:23] <jussi01> stick: follow these instructions exactly. go to kmenu -> system -> adept manager -> adept menu -> manage repositories and then make sure all the boxes are ticked
[15:25] <stick> it begin to dnload something
[15:26] <jussi01> stick: and so it should
[15:27] <jussi01> stick: when its done, search for kubuntu-restricted-extras in the adept that you have open, then click it, click install, then click apply
[15:27] <stick> now i'm upgrading distribution
[15:27] <stick> to 7.10
[15:29] <stick> right on ...mi programs are finely activated ..i can install them
[15:29] <stick> ok...now i must install kubuntu restricted extras no ?
[15:30] <jussi01> yes, with the -'s
[15:31] <stick> with what ?
[15:32] <stick> man this si osome ...so many programs
[15:32] <stick> :D
[15:33] <jussi01> stick: thats why the search is there
[15:34] <stick> ies...i'v write xine...but it's deactivavted
[15:35] <jussi01> stick: did you find kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[15:35] <stick> i can't install it ...shoul i run the command now ....sudo apt-get
[15:35] <stick> yes ...al the other programs are activated now ..beside Xine
[15:36] <jussi01> stick:in kmenu->> system -> konsole type: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:37] <stick> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[15:37] <jussi01> stick: close adept
[15:37] <jussi01> then try again
[15:38] <stick> right on ...love du
[15:38] <jussi01> stick: its installing now?
[15:38] <stick> yup...
[15:38] <stick> :D
[15:38] <stick> thank you very much
[15:39] <jussi01> stick: excellent. come back if you have any other issues :D
[15:39] <jussi01> no probs
[15:39] <stick> oky doki
[15:39] <stick> hop i wasn't a pain in the ...ss
[15:39] <jussi01> !stupid | stick
[15:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stupid - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:39] <jussi01> grr
[15:39] <stick> =))
[15:39] <jussi01> stick: there are no stupid questions ;)
[15:40] <stick> yeah...only stupid people
[15:40] <jussi01> !dumb | stick
[15:40] <stick> =))
[15:40] <ubotu> stick: The only dumb or stupid question is the one not asked. Please do not tell people off for asking something, just because it seems simple or obvious -- we discourage this attitude in all our channels.
[15:40] <jussi01> :)
[15:40] <stick> very nice
[15:41] <Captain_Haddock> Is there a recommended way to force Linux to redetect my hardware?
[15:41] <stick> whell i'm only at the begining of a long jurny
[15:41] <jussi01> Captain_Haddock: which hardware in particular?
[15:41] <Captain_Haddock> my sound card mainly
[15:42] <Captain_Haddock> I moved a Gutsy hard drive from one machine to another.
[15:43] <Captain_Haddock> The sound card was previously detected fine on a fresh gutsy install.
[15:44] <jussi01> Captain_Haddock: Im not certain of the proceedure there but i suspect it will include modprobing the new module for the card
[15:44] <Captain_Haddock> Actually, the (integrated) card is being detected fine, I believe. KMix just doesn't detect it, nor do I get any sound.
[15:47] <Captain_Haddock> aplay -l gives "aplay: device_list:204: no soundcards found..."
[15:47] <jussi01> Captain_Haddock: have you looked under system settings - sound system - hardware tab?
[15:48] <jussi01> Captain_Haddock: what kind of s/c is it btw?
[15:48] <Captain_Haddock> jussi01: it's set to autodetect - there's no mention of my hardware though.
[15:48] <Captain_Haddock> 20:00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[15:48] <Captain_Haddock> jussi01: ^
[15:49] <jussi01> Captain_Haddock: hmmm, I think that was one of the intel hda problematic ones, have a look at
[15:49] <jussi01> !intelhda
[15:49] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[15:49] <jussi01> but check for sure, i cant remember for certain
[15:49] <Captain_Haddock> jussi01: Looking. This is an AMD board though.
[15:50] <jussi01> Captain_Haddock: ahh... maybe no then...
[15:50] <Captain_Haddock> jussi01: what would I modprobe?
[15:51] <stick> he he ...i'm listening mp3'd thank's a lot guys!
[15:51] <jussi01> Captain_Haddock: you need to find out the appropriate module for it, but I am by no means certain that will fix it
[15:51] <jussi01> stick: great to hear :D
[15:52] <Captain_Haddock> jussi01: any idea how to go about finding the associated module?
[15:52] <Captain_Haddock> !modprobe
[15:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modprobe - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:52] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: one moment.... I have an nvidia desktop.
[15:52] <jussi01> Captain_Haddock: juust having a look
[15:52] <Captain_Haddock> thanks jussi01, nosrednaekim
[15:53] <thewhitepelican> where can I find the md5sum for gutsyy?
[15:54] <jussi01> thewhitepelican: here: http://www.nic.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/gutsy/
[15:54] <thewhitepelican> ty
[15:55] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: the module is called snd_intel8x0
[15:56] <Captain_Haddock> nosrednaekim: this is a Gigabyte amd board :(
[15:56] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: AND.. take a look at "lshw" to see if your sound device already has a an accosiaced driver
[15:56] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: yes, I know, but thats what my AMD/nvidia desktop uses for the kernel module,
[15:57] <nosrednaekim> my AMD/ATI laptop actually uses the hda_intel driver so don't let the name bother you
[15:59] <Captain_Haddock> nosrednaekim: thanks. lshw gives the following output for audio: http://pastebin.com/m242e1d43
[15:59] <wraithmagi> here's one u guys probably haven't heard in a while....
[16:00] <wraithmagi> I have an old zip 100 usb drive that I'm trying to create a bootable disk from...
[16:01] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: ok, run "sudo modprobe snd_intel8x0"
[16:01] <wraithmagi> I don't have a win 95/Me box and the norton zip tool won't rune under wine.
[16:01] <wraithmagi> any ideas how to create a bootable zip 100 disk?
[16:01] <Captain_Haddock> nosrednaekim: does the unclaimed imply that there's no associated driver?
[16:02] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: yeah
[16:03] <genii> wraithmagi: I have done that, but was able in my bios to make the zip drive appear as a hd and not a floppy
[16:04] <genii> wraithmagi: Otherwise you may want to format it as a bootable dos disk and then use syslinux on it
[16:04] <wraithmagi> genii:  The box I need to boot from zip has an internal zip250 in a modular bay... it's an older lappy.
[16:05] <wraithmagi> genii: ok... how to format as bootable dos?  Norton rescue won't work with wine and I've got XP on my other 2 boxes?
[16:07] <wraithmagi> genii: I try format j: /s and says invalid parameters or something like that... is there a way to make bootable dos zip thru Kubuntu?
[16:07] <genii> wraithmagi: I'd suggest to get a boot disk image for 98 or so from bootdisk.com, then also the dos driver for the zip and put it on there. Boot to that floppy, format the zip drive from dos cli. then put the syslinux on it, along with whatever images you want it to load
[16:08] <wraithmagi> k. I'll check to see if there is a dos driver for it.
[16:13] <genii> Work needs me, leaving a few minutes but not /away
[16:16] <wraithmagi> genii: u know where to get a DOS driver?
[16:16] <genii> wraithmagi: Let me look
[16:16] <stick> ok...i wanted to ask you somenthing about my laptop
[16:17] <genii> wraithmagi: http://home.netcom.com/~deepone/zipjaz/dos.html seems useful here
[16:19] <wraithmagi> genii:  yeah, but no usb support.... what about setting up a virtual machine in vmware and just running the norton app from there?  I do have a win 95 disk somewhere...
[16:22] <Captain_Haddock> nosrednaekim: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.23.html also lists hda_intel.c
[16:22] <Captain_Haddock> nosrednaekim: so I would do a sudo modprobe hda_intel.c ?
[16:23] <genii> wraithmagi: linux sees the drive already? If so as what device
[16:23] <stick> when i close my laptop lid...it enters in stand by ....
[16:23] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: without the c
[16:23] <nosrednaekim> and the .
[16:23] <stick> can enyone tell me how to dezactivate the option
[16:23] <wraithmagi> sda1
[16:23] <nosrednaekim> stick: right click on the little battery in the system tray
[16:23] <stick> i know it's somewere in power managment
[16:24] <Captain_Haddock> nosrednaekim: FATAL: Module hda_intel not found.
[16:24] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: snd_hda_intel
[16:24] <Captain_Haddock> nosrednaekim: snd_intel8x0 <-- I tried it with this and it gave no output nor any errors
[16:25] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: ah... then try lshw again
[16:25] <stick> ies ..i have suspens ...hibernate...Cpu policy ...restore ..an Quit
[16:25] <wraithmagi> but when I goto system settings/disks it just shows as sda.
[16:25] <stick> yes*
[16:25] <Captain_Haddock> nosrednaekim: still "Unclaimed" :(
[16:26] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: then try snd_hda_intel
[16:26] <Captain_Haddock> nosrednaekim:  FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found.
[16:26] <nosrednaekim> hmm not the right menu... try left clicking on the icon
[16:26] <stick> At cpu option i have 3 options dynamic ...powersave and performance
[16:27] <stick> ooo
[16:27] <stick> ok
[16:27] <wraithmagi> genii:  you be on later?  I'm going to be late for class...
[16:28] <stick> done
[16:28] <genii> wraithmagi: I'll be on today another 5 hours
[16:28] <wraithmagi> genii:  cool... gotta go... I'll probably be back on in like 2 hrs. or so.
[16:29] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: weird.
[16:29] <genii> wraithmagi: OK, I'll be around. Don't be late for your class :)
[16:29] <Captain_Haddock> nosrednaekim: it resolves OK on your box?
[16:29] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: might try searching for that sound chip and "ubuntu" on google
[16:29] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: yup..i'm using it right now.
[16:29] <wraithmagi> thx!
[16:29] <Captain_Haddock> nosrednaekim: FYI - it is detected fine on a fresh Gutsy install. This is an upgraded install on a different hard drive that I've had to move over to this system.
[16:30] <Captain_Haddock> So, I'm not sure what's going on.
[16:31] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: yeah, well, sometimes things like this happen when you move things from one computer to another.
[16:31] <mith__> hi all! can anybody help me with lazarus?
[16:31] <nosrednaekim> mith__: he's already alive.... he don't need no help.
[16:31] <Captain_Haddock> heh
[16:31] <nosrednaekim> XD
[16:31] <bazhang> haha
[16:31] <Captain_Haddock> nosrednaekim: you think I can do anything with the drivers available for download here? http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.23.html
[16:32] <Captain_Haddock> There's no special section for Debian or Ubuntu in it though.
[16:32] <Captain_Haddock> Just RHEL, Fedora, Suse and SLES
[16:32] <mith__> thanks but it needs the "Free pascal source directory"....where can i find it?
[16:32] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: i'm sure the drivers are already in the kernel.... you just have to find out which exact module
[16:32] <colorlessblueide> Is there anyone who might be able to help with networking via a router?
[16:33] <Captain_Haddock> nosrednaekim: I see.
[16:33] <Captain_Haddock> nosrednaekim: Thanks for your time mate. Much appreciated!
[16:33] <nosrednaekim> mmhm, NP
[16:35] <mith__> how can i download the "Free pascal source directory" ? and where?
[16:35] <stmartin> why the subtitle is not shown in the kaffetine?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> colorlessblueide, a local network LAN , with windows on another pc
[16:35] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:36] <colorlessblueide> BluesKaj: Basically a laptop running kubuntu 7.04 (currently) via the ethernet connection on a Linksys router.  I have some set-up questions which I haven't been able to figure out the answer on as of yet.
[16:39] <BluesKaj> ok, colorlessblueide , so just dhcp to the router ?
[16:39] <E_mE> does KDE applications such as Kopete rely on KDE for network settings? because when ever im at home Kopete and karegator refuses to work (using my wireless connection). but when im in the office plugged in to a lan connection it works fine.
[16:39] <mith__> how can i download the "Free pascal source directory" ? and where?
[16:39] <E_mE> the thing is, Firefox and other non-kde applications appear to work fine
[16:40] <colorlessblueide> BluesKaj: Yep.  Not sure how properly to set up router or kubuntu.  Get an error after ifup eth0 of "chmod: cannon access /etc/resolv.conf.dhclient-new': No such file or directory."   Also have gateway question on the router setting.
[16:40] <genii> mith__: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2174&package_id=2252&release_id=538225
[16:40] <nosrednaekim> E_mE: thats a problem with knetworkmanager and to a greater extent a kde service called KDED
[16:41] <E_mE> nosrednaekim: how can i resolve it?
[16:41] <E_mE> nosrednaekim: or where can i find out how to resolve it?
[16:42] <nosrednaekim> E_mE: try killing the KDED process
[16:42] <nosrednaekim> or, if you don't use knetworkmanager, kill it
[16:42] <genii> mith__: You want either the amd or i386 fpc deb from there.
[16:43] <E_mE> nosrednaekim: can i turn the services off permently?
[16:43] <mith__> genii: thanks i try it now
[16:44] <Jeroi> how can I get np: playing song with amarok and konversation?
[16:45] <BluesKaj> colorlessblueide, right click on the knetworkmanager, check the wired network box, then manual configuration , checking the network interface ,routes and domain name for the internal IP
[16:46] <zeEez> Are there going to be KDE 4.0 final packages for gutsy when it comes out in 2 days ?
[16:48] <nosrednaekim> zeEez: yep
[16:48] <colorlessblueide> BluesKaj: Thanks.  Checking.  There have been some changes since last I looked, which appear to be taking.  Standby.
[16:48] <zeEez> nosrednaekim: cool, thanks
[16:49] <nosrednaekim> !kde4
[16:49] <ubotu> kde4 is KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://tinyurl.com/2gqwmr - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[16:49] <nosrednaekim> they will be in that repo ^^
[16:49] <lascar> i don't like the way it looks :-(
[16:49] <colorlessblueide> BluesKaj: Yes, it's now picking up the DNS, etc., from the router, and has the correct gateway setting.  What I think it was doing was having its DHCP requiest serviced by a *remote* router on my homeLAN.   But . . . still don't understand the resolv.conf.dhcp-client error.
[16:50] <ryan__> lascar: Then fix it. :)
[16:50] <stmartin> I  installed 100 programs for video, and still can't go subtitles work?
[16:51] <lascar> should be able to work with vlc
[16:51] <colorlessblueide> BluesKaj: Also, are you familiar with router settings?  I'm more of an apps programmer than a systems type, and some of this is a bit mysterious.
[16:52] <Saille> hi
[16:52] <lascar> ryan_: you misunderstand.  It's clunky.  Period.
[16:52] <lascar> kde 3 = best for me.
[16:52] <Saille> is it possible to start xampp without sudo, just as normal user?
[16:53] <BluesKaj> colorlessblueide, trying the CLI option commands to setup a LAN with dhcp and routers is no longer necessary ...the knetworkmanager does a good job recognizing the router/gateway
[16:54] <Captain_Haddock> nosrednaekim: http://pastebin.com/m5913a95d <-- lsmod seems to hint that the hda_intel driver is already being used :o
[16:55] <BluesKaj> colorlessblueide, I just setup the router for various apps , otherwise I don't fool with the automatic settings , if the router is giving proper access to to the net.
[16:55] <colorlessblueide> BluesKaj:  Yes, I hadn't noticed it before.  Thanks for pointing it out.   Do you have a recommended source of info for my router settings ( two Linksys WRT54Gs spread throughout the house).
[16:56] <Captain_Haddock> colorlessblueide: damn annoying how the DHCP and subnet masks are hard coded in those admin panels :/
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: not hda_intel... but the 8x0 is working.. or at least modprobed
[16:56]  * Captain_Haddock just wanted to say that
[16:56] <BluesKaj> hmm, 2 routers eh , not familiar with such a setup, colorlessblueide... I use just one router with 2 pcs and a laptop (all wired)
[16:57] <Captain_Haddock> nosrednaekim: I see. I think I'm going to give up for today. Thanks again.
[16:57] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: ok.
[16:57] <nosrednaekim> sorry:(
[16:58] <Captain_Haddock> But it's still great that I can just move my HD around from one system to another and still use Linux :)
[16:58] <Captain_Haddock> colorlessblueide: what is the issue exactly.
[16:58] <Captain_Haddock> ?
[16:59] <BluesKaj> colorlessblueide, and I'm not familiar with Linksys setups
[17:00] <colorlessblueide> BluesKaj: Sorry, had to answer the door.  Basically, the setup is . . .
[17:01] <colorlessblueide> BluesKaj: One wireless/ethernet router hooked up to cable modem.  A second wireless/ethernet router hooked in another room.  The wireless (in part) connects the two, so that the remote room computer can get out to the internet.  Does that make sense so far?
[17:02] <llutz> colorlessblueide: so the 2nd wireless-router needs to be in WDS mode to act as a repeater
[17:02] <Captain_Haddock> colorlessblueide: shouldn't you be using a repeater instead of another router?
[17:03] <Captain_Haddock> or that
[17:03]  * Dr_willis was just thinking that. :)
[17:03] <BluesKaj> colorlessblueide, wireless isn't my forte', so i'll hand you over to Captain_Haddock or some other heavy hitter in the wireless area
[17:04] <BluesKaj> !wireless
[17:04] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[17:04] <colorlessblueide> Er, what is "WDS mode"?   :-)     It says "Wireless Mode:  AP" , and "Wireless Network Mode:  Mixed"  on the remote.
[17:05] <llutz> colorlessblueide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Distribution_System
[17:05] <BluesKaj> routers are cheap , so why bother with repeaters :)
[17:05] <Dr_willis> Less confguration hassles?
[17:05] <Dr_willis> :)
[17:05] <colorlessblueide> BluesKaj: Thanks for the robohelp & wiki references.  Let me read those before bothering anyone else.  BTW, the local and remote wireless both seem to have more-or-less the same settings.
[17:05] <llutz> many linksys work fine with 3rd-party firmware, which do all these nice new things ;)
[17:06] <colorlessblueide> BluesKaj: Also, the remote is hooked via ethernet to a computer.   I guess that seemed like a good idea at the time.
[17:06] <llutz> colorlessblueide: the pcs in room #2 are connected wireless  to the 2nd router?
[17:07] <llutz> colorlessblueide: then your 2nd router should act as wireless-client
[17:07] <colorlessblueide> llutz: No, the PC in room #2 is connected via cable to second router.
[17:07] <llutz> colorlessblueide: ya, i just saw it too late ;)
[17:08] <llutz> colorlessblueide: what brand is the router?
[17:08] <colorlessblueide> llutz: Linksys  WRT54G
[17:09] <llutz> colorlessblueide: consider dd-wrt or tomato as firmware on that, it should do what you need. i don't know if the original firmware will
[17:09] <kalorin`> never heard of tomato
[17:09] <llutz> colorlessblueide: www.dd-wrt.com, www.polarcloud.com/tomato
[17:10] <llutz> kalorin`: tomato ftw! :)
[17:10] <kalorin`> dd-wrt works very well for me on my linksys WRT-54G
[17:10] <llutz> kalorin`: tomato 1.13 on wrt54gl here, just... yessss
[17:10] <kalorin`> I went that route because the crappy default firmware woudln't allow static IP assignment
[17:10] <colorlessblueide> llutz: The current firmware (a friend hooked it up for my kids when I was out) works as far as that goes; it just looks as if, when a dhcprequest is made via ethernet to router#1, it is being supplied by router#2 (via wireless).  Strange
[17:11] <llutz> kalorin`: that's why i did too
[17:11] <colorlessblueide> llutz: I suspect my friend did a firmware change, as he's wont to do such sort of things.
[17:12] <llutz> colorlessblueide: seems as there's kind of "network-seperation" active, which separates wlan from ethernet
[17:12] <llutz> colorlessblueide: maybe check router-settings
[17:13] <genii> kalorin`: I agree about dd-wrt, I use it myself.
[17:13] <colorlessblueide> llutz: I have both router webadmin pages open in a browser right now, trying to figure out what settings should be.
[17:17] <fender> blub
[17:20] <sigma_1234> anyone know where i can check why kubuntu is suddenly jerking when i play video files?
[17:21] <sigma_1234> ive had kubuntu on that laptop for a few months and only now it started playing up
[17:24] <epssi> when i copy something from a usb stick or cd/dvd, the files have only read permissions on my computer by default. how can i change this?
[17:25] <nosrednaekim> epssi: don't copyas root
[17:25] <Dr_willis> check dmesg output for a start. then its possible its a hdma issue.. or couldbe some other process going onin the background sigma_1234  check htop, or top to see if anythingis  else is running
[17:25]  * ScorpKing loves dd-wrt..
[17:25] <Dr_willis> epssi,  how are you copying these files?
[17:26] <epssi> right-click, copy, paste
[17:27] <Dr_willis> You can always set themwriteable. I may be that the devices are getting mounted read only. so the copy is cloneing the permissions.
[17:27] <Dr_willis> Ive never seen that happen however. I just recall seeing the execute bit always getting set some times when copying things from cd/vfat partitions
[17:28] <Dr_willis> I tend to use a command like ---> find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 664
[17:28] <Dr_willis> To set all files permissions properly when they get messed up.
[17:29] <Dr_willis> and if its directories that are messed up --> find -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 755
[17:30] <epssi> well the mounted devices/disks are read+write
[17:30] <epssi> it's not a big problem to change the permissions afterwards but i guess there's a solution for this
[17:31] <epssi> im not familiar with "find" yet
[17:31] <Dr_willis> Check the mount/fstab entries I guess. unless of thource they are automounted
[17:31] <Dr_willis> try    find -type d -print0
[17:31] <Dr_willis> as a test. :) should print out all directories
[17:32] <Dr_willis> the 'trick' to rember is that directories must be executable in order for you to access the dir.
[17:32] <Dr_willis> so if i get a messed up bunch of files in a single dir. with lots of messed up dirs..
[17:32] <parkin_> anyone know a software that can quickly add text in the corner of multiple pictures?
[17:32] <epssi> im sorry but some of this is going over my head : )
[17:32] <Dr_willis> I normally fix the dirs first, then the files. with those commands. (i got them as an alias)
[17:32] <Dr_willis> epssi,  read up on how linux handles file permissions.. its rather straight forward. :)
[17:33] <Dr_willis> then build from there.
[17:33] <Dr_willis> parkin_,  the Imagemagik tools might be able to do that.
[17:33] <parkin_> k
[17:33] <Dr_willis> parkin_,  they are the jack-of-all-trades-tools for a lot of things.
[17:33] <sigma_1234> parkin_: i dont think that has been invented yet
[17:33] <epssi> uhh yeah i should but using guis is the way for me :P
[17:33] <parkin_> okok ill try thanks
[17:34] <Freddy_Cats> Hii
[17:34] <Dr_willis> I thought i saw an imagmagic tool that could overlay a image over another one.. but that would be good for a static/single/unchangeing text perhaps.
[17:34] <Dr_willis> or logo.
[17:35] <Dr_willis> epssi,  I got one command that fixes all my files. :)  as i want.
[17:35] <Dr_willis> If you mixx/match different distros/machines/users - you can get the permissions really messed up
[17:36] <epssi> i'd rather fix this so they copy with read and write permissions in the beginning
[17:38] <sigma_1234> how different is koffice to openoffice?
[17:38] <Tm_T> very
[17:38] <Tm_T> and yet, not really
[17:38] <Tm_T> sigma_1234: how about trying them?
[17:38] <Lynoure> sigma_1234: Just try it, unless you are all out of disk space :)
[17:39] <sigma_1234> im not out of disk space. i dont have the bandwidth to download it!
[17:40] <nosrednaekim> sigma_1234: it doesn't do as good of a job on docs, thats for sure
[17:40] <jpatrick> sigma_1234: well, I don't use either of docs and spreadsheets I use KSpread
[17:40] <Pinguliten> Any chance one could get a bit help with with a kubuntu installation? Disc checked out ok before I started installation, live cd part of disc wouldn't boot so I did a text installation without any errors. Upon rebooting and after some initial lines when starting up the screen is just blank. It is a laptop with an nvidia chipset so is there any way to get some barebone graphic interface until I've located better dri
[17:40] <jpatrick> s/of/for
[17:41] <sigma_1234> i hear koffice2 will be impressive
[17:41] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: first of all, is it Gutsy?
[17:41] <Pinguliten> 7.10 dvd
[17:41] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: can you boot failsafe mode?
[17:42] <epssi> pinguliten some nvidia cards dont work with the "nvidia" drivers installed by default. so you could change Xorg.conf to use vga driver and then download and install the right ones
[17:42] <Pinguliten> There is a recovery mode which seems to freeze after a while
[17:42] <epssi> if this is the case
[17:43] <sigma_1234> !vector
[17:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vector - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:43] <sigma_1234> !inkscape
[17:43] <ubotu> Inkscape is a powerful vector graphics drawing application - see http://www.inkscape.org/ for more
[17:45] <Pinguliten> Recovery boot freezes at 5.236000
[17:46] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: could you give me the exact model number for the laptop?
[17:47] <Pinguliten> Hmmm, think it was a hp tx1270eo
[17:47] <nosrednaekim> should say somewhere on the case
[17:47] <Pinguliten> yeah, tx1270eo
[17:48] <Pinguliten> or hp pavillion tx1000
[17:48] <Pinguliten> think the tx1000 is more of a model family though
[17:48] <nosrednaekim> ok
[17:48] <nosrednaekim> yeah, thats good enough
[17:50] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=457439
[17:52] <Pinguliten> Why thank you.
[17:52] <Pinguliten> I think I'll read through all this before I take up more of your time.
[17:52] <Pinguliten> Thank you for your help, it is appriciated.
[17:52] <nosrednaekim> k, thats cool.
[17:53] <Ravestream_> omg Liux realy hates me !
[17:54] <jpatrick> Ravestream_: why?
[17:54] <Ravestream_> jpatrick:  i does thing i dont tell it to
[17:54] <jpatrick> Ravestream_: like?
[17:56] <CyberFly> can someone assist me with samba ?
[17:56] <stmartin> how to restart computer through Terminal?
[17:57] <jpatrick> stmartin: "sudo reboot"
[17:57] <nosrednaekim> !samba
[17:57] <ubotu> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[17:57] <Ravestream_> jpatrick:  2 days ago i installed kubunto  everything works fine
[17:57] <Ravestream_> jpatrick:  i innstall updates and some stuff ..
[17:57] <Ravestream_> then i cant loog in nextime i install
[17:57] <stmartin> ok, thanks
[17:57] <Ravestream_> soo.. reinstall.
[17:58] <jpatrick> Ravestream_: that's just weird
[17:58] <Ravestream_> jpatrick:  installs on same pc same cd
[17:58] <jpatrick> Ravestream_: I've always done updates and backports, no problems
[17:58] <Ravestream_> this time my nic dont wokt
[17:58] <Ravestream_> work*
[17:59] <Ravestream_> well i needed to aktivate it
[17:59] <mark__> how do i get something to show in storage media thats in the media folder?
[17:59] <Ravestream_> so everything workt fine yesterday
[17:59] <jpatrick> mark__: it should be there, /media = media:/
[17:59] <mark__> i've done: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1
[17:59] <CyberFly> mmh
[17:59] <mark__> thats what i thought but its not
[17:59] <CyberFly> anyone tell me how I mount something with different ownership?
[17:59] <Ravestream_> well today i start my baby up .. ohhh nice ..640x480 and cant go higher
[18:00] <mark__> how do i set it to automatically mount?
[18:00] <Ravestream_> and i havent done shit sinse yewsterday
[18:00] <jussi01> !language | Ravestream_
[18:00] <ubotu> Ravestream_: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[18:01] <jpatrick> Ravestream_: tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[18:01] <nosrednaekim> CyberFly: than.....
[18:02] <Ravestream_> jpatrick:  no im totaly newbie
[18:02] <jpatrick> Ravestream_: then, try that :)
[18:06] <Ravestream_> jpatrick: it want a lot of info .. what if i choos wrong ?
[18:06] <jpatrick> Ravestream_: cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/xorg.conf.backup
[18:07] <jpatrick> (even it backs up when you do it)
[18:07] <jpatrick> Ravestream_: cp it back if something goes wrong
[18:08] <Ravestream_> jpatrick:  cp ?  u know first time (almost) using linux
[18:08] <Bauldrick> whats the hardy channel #kubuntu+1 ??
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> Bauldrick: no... #ubuntu+1
[18:08] <jpatrick> Bauldrick: #ubuntu+1
[18:08] <Bauldrick> ta
[18:08] <jpatrick> Ravestream_: CoPy
[18:08] <Ravestream_> what happes if i stop in middle of sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[18:09] <Ravestream_> couse i dont have half the info i need
[18:09] <nosrednaekim> Ravestream_: anything you don't know the info for, leave as deafult
[18:10] <Ravestream_> why do i need so mych info to get proper screen resulution that workt fine before last boot ?
[18:12] <Ravestream_> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[18:12] <Ravestream_> ups
[18:12] <Ravestream_> all i want is a change driver button..
[18:12] <Ravestream_> or .. that kubunto dont change a already working config like it want
[18:12] <nosrednaekim> Ravestream_: well, then go through the whole dialog and chose the edfaults until you get to the screen
[18:14] <Ravestream_> and the sy linux is smooth
[18:15] <Ravestream_> 10 minutes to change somthing that takes 10 sek in windows :)
[18:15] <Dr_willis> !info fusesmb
[18:15] <ubotu> fusesmb: filesystem client based on the SMB file transfer protocol. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-1 (gutsy), package size 29 kB, installed size 140 kB
[18:15] <Bauldrick> Ravestream_: who says that!?
[18:16] <Dr_willis> Lets see... last night i had to reboot windows twice to get my Display working right.. vs just restarting the X server....
[18:16] <Dr_willis> but... we dont want to get sta4rted in a linux vs windows war.
[18:16] <Dr_willis> X is supposed to get the proper modes and information from the monitor. some monitors dont proplely send that info.
[18:17] <Dr_willis> as for drivers.. well.. thats a flamewar waiting for a match. :P i wont start that./
[18:17]  * Dr_willis goes back to editing his fusesmb wiki page.
[18:18] <ardchoille> Where would I go to learn more about the steps Kubuntu takes from boot to kdm being ready?
[18:19] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  i rember a 'from grub to bash prompt' howto at tldp.org
[18:19] <Dr_willis> but thats not kubuntu specific.
[18:19] <ardchoille> Yeah, I would like to learn more about how Kubuntu handles things
[18:19] <Dr_willis> But it had some very good general info.
[18:19] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: Will look, thanks
[18:19] <Dr_willis> and if you dontknow the general parts that all the disrtos use.. how willyou realize that kubuntu is different. :)
[18:20] <ardchoille> True
[18:20] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu disrtos normally use 'upstart' for one thing. thats a big diff. that is not noticealbe much. Because it works so well.
[18:20] <Dr_willis> !upstart
[18:20] <alumno> buenas
[18:20] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[18:20] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu disrtos normally dont use the runlevels/inittab file like a lot of other disrtos do either.
[18:20] <alumno> can you give me the link to the spanish kubuntu channel?
[18:20] <alumno> please?
[18:21] <Dr_willis> !sp
[18:21] <alumno> !sp
[18:21] <ardchoille> !es
[18:21] <Dr_willis> or was it !es
[18:21] <Dr_willis> :)
[18:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:21] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[18:21] <alumno> !es
[18:21] <alumno> arigato gozaimas
[18:21] <Ravestream_> Bauldrick:  i have heard people sy it so smooth.. and stable ..
[18:21] <alumno> ^
[18:21] <alumno> ^^
[18:21] <Ravestream_> hell no .. its as unstable as win me
[18:21] <Dr_willis> Ravestream_,  depends on the person/machine/hardware/other things. -
[18:22] <Ravestream_> Dr_willis:  well not in this case..
[18:22] <Dr_willis> I can say that on my laptop - kubuntu has been the best linux ive tried. and its much speedier then windows was.
[18:22] <Ravestream_> a "normal" pc
[18:22] <Ravestream_> clean install
[18:22] <nosrednaekim> Linux is user freindly.... its just picky who its users are ;)
[18:22] <Dr_willis> we can goon and on spouting meaniless  'wellit dident do this and that' and it all is pointless.
[18:22] <Dr_willis> there is no such thing as a
[18:23] <Dr_willis> normal pc. :)
[18:23] <Ravestream_> and it has lots of problem ..
[18:23] <oem> kick
[18:23] <Dr_willis> State the specific problems..and work on one at a time.. thats about all you can do. we dont have a magic 'fix everything' button.
[18:23] <Ravestream_> Dr_willis:  no .. notice "normal"
[18:23] <Dr_willis> there IS no 'normal
[18:24] <Dr_willis> every bios/chipset/mb can have quirks.
[18:24] <Ravestream_> Dr_willis:  okej .. i dont have a lot of odd stuff
[18:24] <stmartin> why I receive blank screen after installing nvidia driver (I have GeForce 8400GS
[18:25] <stmartin> it seems that sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf is making problem
[18:25] <stmartin> I can't write in "nvidia"
[18:26] <ardchoille> stmartin: Are you using gnome?
[18:26] <stmartin> yes
[18:26] <jpatrick> !gksudo | stmartin
[18:26] <ubotu> stmartin: If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[18:26] <Dr_willis> stmartin,  i thought the nvidia tools/installer automaticially changed that file.
[18:27] <stmartin> yes
[18:27] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: It does.. *if* you run it
[18:27] <stmartin> that's true
[18:27] <stmartin> I must change it from "nvidia" to "vesa"
[18:28] <imitation> Hi, i've got a wierd thing going on with my keyboard: after holding shift for about 10 sec, my computer first beeps, after another 10sec it enables some kind of "keyboard lock" in which you have to hold every key for about 2sec to have it input something.
[18:28] <stmartin> I don't know what is the prob.
[18:28] <Dr_willis> imitation,  i recall some sort of 'disabled user feature' that sounds a lot like that.
[18:28] <nosrednaekim> imitation: press shift for another 10 seconds and I think you should be able to turn it off
[18:28] <Dr_willis> Ive seen similer things in.. Ghasp.. Windows! :)
[18:29] <imitation> how can i the whole thing off?
[18:29] <Dr_willis> normally ya only notice it after you are playing a game for a while and the keyboard starts goofing up.
[18:29] <imitation> *turn
[18:29] <stmartin> can u give me some recommedation?
[18:29] <nosrednaekim> stmartin: if you are on gnome, you belong over in #ubuntu
[18:29] <stmartin> but none helps there
[18:30] <stmartin> :)
[18:30] <Hirvinen> imitation: K menu -> System settings -> Accessibility -> Accessibility -> Modifier keys -> [ ] Use sticky keys
[18:30] <rothchild> evenin' all
[18:30] <stmartin> !gnome
[18:30] <nosrednaekim> stmartin: ok, are you in X? or on the command line?
[18:30] <stmartin> yes
[18:30] <Hirvinen> imitation: In the same place: Keyboard filters -> [ ] Use slow keys and Activation Gestures -> [ ] Use gestures for activating sticky keys and slow keys
[18:31] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[18:31] <nosrednaekim> stmartin: which one?
[18:31] <stmartin> X server
[18:32] <stmartin> I don't know very much about ubuntu, I am newbie
[18:32] <nosrednaekim> stmartin: ok, then do this "gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[18:32] <imitation> none of it is activated, had to turn off gestures. Now it works, THANK YOU
[18:32] <stmartin> ok
[18:33] <stmartin> nosrednaekim: I did it.
[18:33] <nosrednaekim> stmartin: did it give you a text file?
[18:33] <nosrednaekim> in it should be a -- Section "Device"
[18:33] <stmartin> yes
[18:34] <nosrednaekim> and within that -- Driver "nvidia"
[18:34] <stmartin> Identifier     "NVIDIA Corporation NVIDIA Default Card"
[18:34] <stmartin>     Driver         "vesa"
[18:34] <nosrednaekim> well, its vesa right now.
[18:34] <nosrednaekim> you want it to be nvidia?
[18:34] <tuxick> try nv :)
[18:34] <stmartin> If I try to change it to "nvidia" it will give me blank on boot
[18:35] <nosrednaekim> stmartin: well, what do you want it to be then?
[18:35] <Greenery> stmartin: u installed the restricted driver from ubuntu?
[18:36] <stmartin> Greenery: I installed from nvidia.com, and I tried with envy
[18:36] <ardchoille> !nvy
[18:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:36] <ardchoille> !envy
[18:36] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[18:36] <stmartin> but I have no Restricted Manager
[18:36] <stmartin> I have ubuntu 6.06 LTS Dapper :)
[18:37] <ardchoille> stmartin: Well, you are using gnome and should be in the #ubuntu channel for gnome-specific stuff :)
[18:37] <nosrednaekim> stmartin: oh... I see... did you try installing any nvidia drivers?
[18:37] <Pinguliten> nosrednaekim: Got it up and running now, thanks alot mate!
[18:37] <stmartin> yes
[18:37] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: sweet....
[18:37] <stmartin> nosrednaekim:yes
[18:37] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: I'm glad you could figure it out on your own... thats the way to learn :)
[18:38] <Pinguliten> Tell me about it
[18:38] <LeAstrale> hi everybody
[18:38] <Pinguliten> When I installed ubuntu on my stationary I had hell
[18:38] <nosrednaekim> stmartin: using which method
[18:39] <Pinguliten> First time I touched linux and I had to compile my gpu driver.
[18:39] <stmartin> I just told you, 1-st using envy, second downloading drivers (from nvidia.com) for 8400GS
[18:39] <Pinguliten> Including installing everything requierd to compile and use it.
[18:39] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: Via?
[18:40] <ardchoille> stmartin: Have you read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[18:40] <Pinguliten> Hmm? had an ati card
[18:40] <stmartin> ardchoille: yes. But my card is not on the list
[18:40] <Pinguliten> Then a big update came and suddenly my network card wouldn't work anymore.
[18:40] <stmartin> unfortenately
[18:40] <ardchoille> stmartin: 85** ?
[18:41] <mhiku> ive logged as root, then when i use vncserver, everything works fine, now i created an account, now when i logged in a vncserver, only a console is up, how can i fix to have kde gui menus again?
[18:41] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: ah ok
[18:41] <stmartin> 8400GS
[18:41] <ardchoille> stmartin: Yeah
[18:41] <nosrednaekim> stmartin: envy is not a good thing to use, though you can probably tell that by now
[18:42] <ardchoille> !sudo | mhiku
[18:42] <ubotu> mhiku: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[18:42] <sparrw> at home when i insert a sd card i get a popup asking what i want to do, at work i get nothing.  whats up?
[18:42] <stmartin> !gksudo
[18:42] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[18:42] <nosrednaekim> sparrw: is it the same computer?
[18:43] <sparrw> no
[18:43] <stmartin> I am desperate
[18:43] <stmartin> I don't know what to do.
[18:43] <nosrednaekim> stmartin: can you download Gutsy?
[18:44] <sparrw> nosrednaekim: different computers
[18:44] <stmartin> I will download 7.10 version, and try
[18:44] <stmartin> should I delete the 6.06 version?
[18:44] <stmartin> or I should upgrade?
[18:44] <Assid> heya
[18:44] <LeAstrale> stmartin: fresh install
[18:44] <Assid> how do i get ubuntu to have kde option in the startup?
[18:45] <nosrednaekim> stmartin: fresh install
[18:45] <nosrednaekim> Assid: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-deksotp
[18:46] <epssi> kubuntu-desktop
[18:46] <genii> yes
[18:46]  * genii hands nosrednaekim a mug of coffee
[18:47] <nosrednaekim> hot chocolate please
[18:47] <Assid> okay
[18:47] <Assid> is there a good monitoring type app for checking datatransfr and stuff?
[18:47] <Assid> like gkrellm?
[18:47]  * genii  turns nosrednaekim's mug of coffee into hot chocolate
[18:47] <sparrw> how do i get usb flash storage auto mount/open to work?
[18:48] <nosrednaekim> Assid: ksysgaurd probably does that
[18:48] <nosrednaekim> sparrw: if its deifferent computers... its probably a hardware issue
[18:48] <sparrw> nosrednaekim: great answer
[18:48] <sparrw> nosrednaekim: the card reader works fine in both computers
[18:49] <nosrednaekim> sparrw: oh.... heh... it was a good try :)
[18:50] <stmartin> nosrednaekim: how to do fresh install?
[18:51] <nosrednaekim> stmartin: do you have alot of stuff saved on your computer?
[18:51] <nosrednaekim> sparrw: wait... the hardware works fine under windows, or under linux?
[18:52] <gustavonarea> Hello. How do I completely remove compiz? I'm using Kubuntu Gutsy and I wanted to give Compiz-Fusion a try, but I don't want it anymore... I've already removed all of the packages I installed, but Compiz is still working. Thanks in advance.
[18:52] <stmartin> nosrednaekim: no.
[18:52] <Assid> its just impossible to get help from ubuntu folks
[18:52] <Assid> and things just start acting funny
[18:52] <nosrednaekim> stmartin: then burn what you have on a cd, reinstall with the gutsy cd and cpoy the stuff back
[18:54] <stmartin> how to reinstall?
[18:54] <stmartin> to format the hard disk?
[18:54] <rothchild> gustavonarea: alt f2 and kwin --replace
[18:54] <gustavonarea> rothchild: that used to work, but now it doesn't
[18:55] <rothchild> gustavonarea: sounds like you need to double check what packages you have uninstalled
[18:56] <stmartin> nosrednaekim: to format the whole hard disk?
[18:56] <gustavonarea> rothchild: I removed everything with the text "compiz" and "emerald"
[18:57] <nosrednaekim> stmartin: no, chose manual partitionsing and select your partition, it will format it and install anew
[18:57] <gustavonarea> I removed them some days ago and kwin was working just fine, but I'm getting this error since the lastest upgrade (today)
[18:57] <stmartin> ok, thanks
[18:58] <rothchild> gustavonarea:  what happens when you try kwin --replace in a konsole rather than using alt f2? (if it spits up error messages then we have some clues to work from)
[18:58] <gustavonarea> rothchild: here's the output: http://rafb.net/p/nk3Qin99.html
[19:02] <noaXess> with which command can i check if usb-storage is available/installed?
[19:02] <Stilo> !de
[19:02] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[19:02] <genii> lsmod
[19:03] <gustavonarea> rothchild: I'm sorry... I killed `kwin --replace` because it was taking a lot of time, but after that, I could not type nor click on nothing
[19:03] <noaXess> genii: lsmod | grep usb?
[19:03] <genii> noaXess: Yes, that will work. If not in the list it gives use modprobe to load it
[19:03] <Assid> err
[19:03] <noaXess> with which command can i check
[19:03] <noaXess> shit sorry.
[19:03] <Assid> where can i get some help with monodevelop
[19:03] <noaXess> usbcore               138632  2 ohci_hcd
[19:04] <nosrednaekim> Assid: no help here for mono
[19:14] <noaXess> !modprobe
[19:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modprobe - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:16] <faruk_> merhaba
[19:17] <methods[laptop]> how do i install by category ?
[19:18] <joonas> osaisiko jok auttaa suomeksi?
[19:18] <BluesKaj> !fi | joonas
[19:18] <ubotu> joonas: Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[19:20] <noaXess> if i need to load a modul in boot prozess, how does this work?
[19:21] <parkin> Hi i did the steps in this guide but got the same error as ned in his post, http://kubuntu101.blogspot.com/2005/11/linux-gaming-part-4-installing-nvidia.html
[19:21] <parkin> anyone got any tips?
[19:21] <faruk_> turkish channel
[19:22] <jussi01> !tr | faruk_
[19:22] <ubotu> faruk_: Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[19:23] <noaXess> !nvidia | parkin
[19:23] <ubotu> parkin: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[19:23] <faruk_> thanks
[19:23] <parkin> ok
[19:23] <parkin> ubotu thats for ubuntu
[19:24] <noaXess> parkin: first.. ubotu is a bot :) and it work also under kubunt
[19:24] <noaXess> what kubunt version?
[19:24] <noaXess> parkin: ?
[19:24] <parkin> 7.10
[19:25] <parkin> The easiest way to install binary drivers is to use the built in Restricted Driver Manager from System -> Administration -> Restricted Driver Manager in Ubuntu .
[19:25] <jussi01> !thanks | parkin
[19:25] <ubotu> parkin: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[19:25] <noaXess> parkin: go to system settings / advanced / restricted drivers
[19:25] <parkin> ok
[19:26] <edi> hi, i started an second xserver, how can i exit him ?
[19:27] <faruk_> fujitsu siemens notebook wireles problem
[19:27] <noaXess> edi: grep in ps for it
[19:27] <faruk_> help please
[19:27] <parkin> ok found it :) thanks noaXess and ubotu
[19:27] <parkin> i will try to reboot now
[19:27] <noaXess> edi: ps ax | grep kdm i think
[19:28] <jpatrick> !ask | faruk_
[19:28] <ubotu> faruk_: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[19:28] <noaXess> hey jpatrick wasup?
[19:28] <jpatrick> noaXess: not much, just watching over several channels
[19:29] <noaXess> :)
[19:29] <noaXess> modprobe how to autoload modules that are not loaded with kernel on boot time
[19:29] <parkin> which drivers do you reccomend of nvidia-glx-new and nvidia-glx  ?
[19:30] <parkin> any major difference?
[19:30] <noaXess> parkin: hm.... one moment
[19:30] <jpatrick> noaXess: put it in /etc/modules
[19:30] <[-_-]zzZZ> muhhahahahaha
[19:30] <[-_-]zzZZ> hello everyone
[19:30] <[-_-]zzZZ> heh
[19:30] <jpatrick> [-_-]zzZZ: hi
[19:31] <edi> noaXess: uhmm, ok, i think its just the konsole open in the 2nd (when i hit strg+alt+F8) how to close that?
[19:31] <noaXess> parkin: try the new one.. first backup your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:31] <[-_-]zzZZ> okay... why wont firefox install on a fresh kubuntu install
[19:31] <parkin> ok
[19:32] <jpatrick> [-_-]zzZZ: not even with "sudo apt-get install firefox" in the konsole?
[19:32] <Freddy_Cats> Hi
[19:32] <[-_-]zzZZ> not even in the konsole
[19:32] <[-_-]zzZZ> that was my first move
[19:33]  * [-_-]zzZZ love konsole
[19:34] <SkyblastAtWork> [-_-]zzZZ: What's the error is gives in konsole, if any?
[19:34] <[-_-]zzZZ> Reading package lists... Done
[19:34] <[-_-]zzZZ> Building dependency tree
[19:34] <[-_-]zzZZ> Reading state information... Done
[19:34] <[-_-]zzZZ> Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[19:34] <[-_-]zzZZ> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[19:34] <[-_-]zzZZ> is only available from another source
[19:34] <[-_-]zzZZ> E: Package firefox has no installation candidate
[19:35] <jpatrick> !paste | [-_-]zzZZ
[19:35] <ubotu> [-_-]zzZZ: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[19:35] <jpatrick> !source-o-matic > [-_-]zzZZ
[19:36] <jpatrick> !info firefox > [-_-]zzZZ
[19:37] <SkyblastAtWork> !info firefox
[19:37] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.11+2nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10 (gutsy), package size 8969 kB, installed size 26024 kB
[19:37] <SkyblastAtWork> That package should work... what version of Kubuntu are you using
[19:37] <jpatrick> SkyblastAtWork: well, I did that but I made ubotu /msg it to him ;)
[19:37] <[-_-]zzZZ> just downloaded from website
[19:37] <[-_-]zzZZ> thanks jpatrick
[19:37] <[-_-]zzZZ> ;)
[19:38] <jpatrick> [-_-]zzZZ: you're welcome
[19:38] <SkyblastAtWork> I know, I just wanted to make sure the package name hadn't been renamed.... I'm on a Dapper box right now... couldn't remember offhand
[19:38] <jpatrick> SkyblastAtWork: you can always consult packages.ubuntu.com :)
[19:39] <[-_-]zzZZ> how to you find out what version kde and kubuntu your using
[19:39] <[-_-]zzZZ> in windows you could see all of that in system
[19:39] <genii> Kmenu..rightclick..Panel Menu..Help..About KDE
[19:39] <supert0nes> yes because windows provides you more information about your system than linux /sarcasm
[19:39] <jpatrick> [-_-]zzZZ: Help Menu -> About KDE/App name
[19:41] <gladier> tis going to be hot today
[19:42] <noaXess> [-_-]zzZZ: try alos in konsole uname -a or kdesktop -v
[19:42] <noaXess> gladier: where are you? we have 0842 pm and about plus 1 or 2 degrees
[19:42] <gladier> aus .. its 6am and 29'C
[19:43] <supert0nes> 4.0.0 and its cluttered desktop still need some work
[19:43] <gladier> sydney to be specific
[19:43] <[-_-]zzZZ> okay well i have gutsy 7.10 fresh install and firefox will not install
[19:43] <jpatrick> supert0nes: yes, it's brand new
[19:43] <SkyblastAtWork> [-_-]zzZZ: try doing 'sudo apt-get update' in konsole, then install firefox
[19:44] <SkyblastAtWork> KDE4 looks cool... I'm kinda torn on using it though... gotten so use to the super awesome KDE3.5
[19:44] <supert0nes> their "release event" will be funny because not many people will be using it.
[19:44] <gladier> rotating windows are kinda neet
[19:45] <SkyblastAtWork> I'll use it with Hardy
[19:46] <SkyblastAtWork> It's kinda like the Windows users with Veesta. You can avoid it for a while... but eventually, gotta get used to it. lol
[19:46] <[-_-]zzZZ> i did the source o matic  can ubunutu and kubuntu have the same source list
[19:48] <blackflag> !avahi
[19:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avahi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:48] <Stilo> !de
[19:48] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[19:56] <ObeyRoy> I need to get into the kubuntu equivalent of System -> Administration -> Restricted Driver Manager, can someone help me, please?
[19:56] <supert0nes> are there any other huge unofficial repositories for programs like opera and awn?
[19:56] <jpatrick> supert0nes: the canonical ones?
[19:56] <supert0nes> I feel like the multiverse and universe are still a little limited
[19:57] <noaXess> for usb_storage what other module should be loaded or will modprobe usb_storage load all neede modules?
[19:57] <jpatrick> supert0nes: "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy-commercial partner" is the canoncial one
[19:58] <supert0nes> ooo nice
[19:58] <supert0nes> thanks
[19:59] <ObeyRoy> I need to get into the kubuntu equivalent of System -> Administration -> Restricted Driver Manager, can someone help me, please?
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> ObeyRoy: are you on gutsy?
[20:00] <ObeyRoy> I'm on 7.10, i forget the name
[20:00] <jpatrick> ObeyRoy: it's in System Settings -> Advance
[20:00] <nosrednaekim> ObeyRoy: ok, the the resticted manager is in under system settings->advanced
[20:00] <CaptainFuture> ObeyRoy: You're just able to install the restricted manager
[20:00] <nosrednaekim> err! jpatrick!!
[20:01] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: ?
[20:01] <ObeyRoy> Wel, where is system settings?
[20:01] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick: too fast
[20:01] <jpatrick> ObeyRoy: KMenu
[20:01] <nosrednaekim> ObeyRoy: kmenu...
[20:01]  * jpatrick wins again
[20:01] <nosrednaekim> lag....
[20:01] <nosrednaekim> it says I won that one
[20:01] <jpatrick> !lag > nosrednaekim
[20:01] <ObeyRoy> I have a systems tree and a settings tree
[20:01] <ObeyRoy> in the kmenu
[20:01] <nosrednaekim> only .5 sec!
[20:01] <genii> !helpersnack | jpatrick
[20:01] <ubotu> jpatrick: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[20:02] <nosrednaekim> ObeyRoy: just run "systemsettings" from a arun command dialog
[20:02]  * jpatrick sips his coffee with genii 
[20:02] <CaptainFuture> ObeyRoy: Just try the command line (restricted-manager)
[20:02] <tihomir> hi all
[20:03] <nosrednaekim> CaptainFuture: actually, its restricted-manager-kde
[20:03] <ObeyRoy> Okay, I'm really just trying to make sure my driver is updated, what should I do?
[20:03] <nosrednaekim> ObeyRoy: run "restricted-manager0kde"
[20:03] <nosrednaekim> 0/-
[20:05] <Dr_willis> Ok. Been working on a fusesmb wiki page - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/fusesmb anyone care to check it out. I gotta run to the store.  Thanks.
[20:06] <david__> hi!
[20:06] <david__> I am sorry... but don't know what's the proper channel to ask this... hehe
[20:06] <enry> hello
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> david__: just ask
[20:07] <jpatrick> !ask | david__
[20:07] <ubotu> david__: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[20:08] <david__> I want to program some openGL and work with MIDI, do you know if there are MIDI bindings for python in ubuntu packages?
[20:08] <ObeyRoy> nosrednaekim: Ok, I ran that command, now what?
[20:08] <nosrednaekim> ObeyRoy: did it give you a little application window?
[20:09] <gidna> Hi
[20:09] <ObeyRoy> nosrednaekim: yes, now I'm at this page that says: "No proprietary drivers in use on this system"
[20:09] <gidna> when I open synaptic I receive this error: E: Il pacchetto sun-java6-bin deve essere reinstallato, ma non si riesce a trovare un archivio per esso.
[20:09] <nosrednaekim> ok... there you go.
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> !it
[20:10] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[20:10] <th1> has kde 4.0 release been packaged for kubuntu yet?
[20:10] <ObeyRoy> nosrednaekim: Well, what should I do now?
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> ObeyRoy: IDK.. what are you trying to do?
[20:11] <ObeyRoy> nosrednaekim: Make sure I'm using th emost updated driver possible
[20:12] <nosrednaekim> ObeyRoy: well, then enable the driver in there.
[20:13] <ObeyRoy> nosrednaekim: I can't, it's grayed out
[20:14] <JuJuBee> What program can I use to capture video from my Digital Vdieo Camera and create a DVD ?  I have been using Microsoft Movie Maker then using DeVeDe to make the iso  for a dvd.
[20:14] <nosrednaekim> ObeyRoy: oh! close it and run "kdesudo restricted-manager-kde" instead
[20:16] <ObeyRoy> nosrednaekim: Okay, that works. I have a second option, and that'sto enable the firmware for Broadcomm 43xx chipset family
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> JuJuBee: kino might work
[20:16] <JuJuBee> I will have a look.
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> ObeyRoy: thats for your wireless.... is your wireless working right now?
[20:16] <ObeyRoy> nosrednaekim: Dunno, haven't needed to use it
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> ObeyRoy: then don't mess with that
[20:17] <ObeyRoy> nosrednaekim: Okay, thanks. I have a few more questions, so  is there a channel that focuses primarily on video cards?
[20:17] <nosrednaekim> ObeyRoy: nope... ussually you go with your distro's channel
[20:17] <nosrednaekim> since its different for easch distro
[20:18] <ObeyRoy> nosrednaekim: oh... Well, I am just trying to run WoW, and I have an ati card.
[20:18] <nosrednaekim> ObeyRoy: then enable that ATI restricted driver
[20:19] <ObeyRoy> nosrednaekim: Okay, fair enough
[20:19] <nosrednaekim> and you MAY have to right with WoW in order to get it working. Its been done plenty of times before though
[20:19] <nosrednaekim> *fight
[20:20] <ObeyRoy> nosrednaekim: Right now, the screen turns black, then sends me to into the login screen after i get to a certain point in the install
[20:20] <nosrednaekim> wait.... this isn't installed already?
[20:20] <nosrednaekim> or do you mean installing the driver
[20:20] <ObeyRoy> no, it's not yet installed
[20:21] <ObeyRoy> I keep trying to, but it can never complete
[20:21] <nosrednaekim> oh... you are going to need to install the OS first :)
[20:21] <JuJuBee> What do I do about this "Warning: raw1394 Kernel module not loaded or failuter to read/write /dev/raw1394" ?
[20:21] <JuJuBee> This comes from kino
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> JuJuBee: check if the module raw1395 is loaded with "lsmod | grep 1395"
[20:22] <ObeyRoy> nosrednaekim: What do you mean? I am installing it under Wine
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> ObeyRoy: oh.... Wow...lol, I though you meant install linux :)
[20:23] <JuJuBee> Seems to be... raw1394                30580  0
[20:23] <nosrednaekim> JuJuBee: run kino as root
[20:23] <JuJuBee> Ok.
[20:23] <ObeyRoy> nosrednaekim: haha, sorry, i wasn't  too clear
[20:24] <nick__> :D
[20:24] <JuJuBee> That worked.
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> JuJuBee: then do "sudo chmod a+w /dev/raw1394"
[20:25] <ObeyRoy> i'm gonna brb, I need to eat
[20:27] <JuJuBee> nosrednaekim: still same problem. I need to run as root...
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> JuJuBee: hmm ok, well I don't think there is any real danger in that
[20:36] <johnficca> hey is there a kde 4 irc channel?
[20:36] <jpatrick> johnficca: #kde4?
[20:36] <gidna> E: The package sun-java6-bin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it
[20:36] <SSJ_GZ> johnficca: Development or support?
[20:37] <jpatrick> !info sun-java6-bin
[20:37] <johnficca> SSJ_GZ: both
[20:37] <ubotu> sun-java6-bin: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture dependent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-03-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 25795 kB, installed size 77224 kB
[20:37] <jpatrick> johnficca: #kde4-devel too then
[20:37] <johnficca> thanks
[20:37] <SSJ_GZ> johnficca: Development is #kde4-devel; support - just use #kde :)
[20:42] <holycow> what is the name of the kde print manager?
[20:44] <AmyRose> holycow: kjobviewer, I think
[20:45] <poker> heh
[20:47] <poker> ?
[20:47] <jpatrick> !pl | poker
[20:47] <ubotu> poker: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[20:48] <poker> ja pierwszy raz siedze na takim komunikatorze jak irc:D
[20:50] <poker> ja wogole pierwszy raz siedze na takim komunikatorze jak irc:d
[20:55] <holycow> AmyRose: thank you veyr much!
[20:56] <AmyRose> you're welcome, holycow
[20:56] <AmyRose> !kde4
[20:56] <ubotu> kde4 is KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://tinyurl.com/2gqwmr - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[20:56]  * AmyRose wishes for KDE 4.0 packages now that the kde.org site says it's out
[20:57] <davf> Can anyone help me with getting kubuntu to show bluetooth services?
[20:57] <supert0nes> kde 4.0 packages are out
[20:57] <supert0nes> i downloaded them this morning
[20:57] <david__> where from?
[20:58] <jpatrick> AmyRose: in gutsy-backports
[20:58] <AmyRose> jpatrick: Really? :D
[20:59] <jpatrick> AmyRose: yes
[20:59] <supert0nes> but don't get your hopes too high
[20:59] <supert0nes> its not magically perfect
[20:59] <AmyRose> I know
[20:59] <AmyRose> I just want to see if it's any good for myself
[21:00] <AmyRose> if not, I'm sticking with 3.5
[21:00] <jpatrick> it worked ok here
[21:00] <supert0nes> if you have a desktop with a few files each one has a plasma border on it
[21:00] <supert0nes> it really becomes cluttered looking
[21:01] <supert0nes> anyone tried amarok 2 yet?
[21:01] <aleksanteri> :-o kde4 is out?
[21:01] <AmyRose> aleksanteri: Yes
[21:01] <aleksanteri> \o/
[21:01]  * aleksanteri upgrades.
[21:01] <supert0nes> i heard it was still in alpha
[21:02] <david__> but the packages I have in backports I think they are RC1 still
[21:02] <jpatrick> david__: please do apt-get update
[21:02] <jpatrick> david__: mirrors may still be updating...
[21:03] <supert0nes> jpatrick: have you used the new amarok?
[21:03] <david__> I already did it, I'll try to do it tomorrow then
[21:03] <jpatrick> supert0nes: no, and amarok2 is not yet set for release
[21:04] <supert0nes> gotcha
[21:04] <aleksanteri> hm..
[21:04] <LjL> jpatrick: are you sure they're in backports? i get plenty new KDE4 packages from http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu, but none from gutsy-backports
[21:04] <aleksanteri> $ apt-cache show kde4base | grep Version
[21:04] <aleksanteri> Version: 3.94.0-0ubuntu1
[21:05]  * aleksanteri did update and even changed mirrors..
[21:05] <LjL> aleksanteri: that's not the current name of the package. try kdebase-kde4
[21:05] <jpatrick> LjL: ah, they must still be building then...
[21:05] <LjL> actually, try just kdelibs5
[21:05] <ObeyRoy> Can anyone tell me how to disable compiz/beryl?
[21:05] <LjL> no, don't try kdelibs5
[21:06] <aleksanteri> LjL, it's 3.94 too
[21:06] <jpatrick> LjL: looks like they are only in the PPA
[21:06] <jpatrick> still building in backports then
[21:07] <LjL> aleksanteri: i said nonsense... try « apt-cache policy kdebase-bin-kde4 » - for me, the package from backports are 4:3.96.0-1ubuntu1~gutsy1, while the ones from PPA are 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1
[21:07] <LjL> jpatrick: perhaps one should rather wait for backports than install the ppa ones, uhm... given that they come with a ~gutsy1~ppa1 appendage, they would probably override the ones in backports :|
[21:07] <LjL> stdin?
[21:07] <ObeyRoy> Can anyone tell me how to disable compiz/beryl?
[21:07] <Dr_willis> I just normally remove the compiz package :)
[21:08] <aleksanteri> $ LANG=en_EN apt-cache policy kdebase-bin-kde4
[21:08] <aleksanteri> W: Unable to locate package kdebase-bin-kde4
[21:08] <LjL> aleksanteri: then you have neither ppa nor backports enabled
[21:08] <Dr_willis> compiz --replace is normally ran un the Autostart dir. with Kde.  I guess it deopends on whats starting compiz.
[21:08] <aleksanteri> !ppa
[21:08] <ubotu> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[21:08] <aleksanteri> right-o
[21:08] <LjL> aleksanteri: i suggest waiting for the backports one though, at least until i'm more clear on this
[21:08] <LjL> !backports
[21:09] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[21:09] <ObeyRoy> Dr_willis: I'm trying to get a game under wine to run smoothly
[21:09] <ObeyRoy> And, someone told me to try disabling that
[21:09] <aleksanteri> oki
[21:10] <emu> Does anybody here has the Text from the Release Anouncement for KDE 4.0?
[21:10] <holycow> hey guys
[21:10] <genii> kwin --replace
[21:10] <holycow> man oh man does kde4 look amazing, i want to start using it now
[21:10] <Tm_T> holycow: who stops you?
[21:11] <holycow> i think the only thing i need to actually setup my workflow is to be able to add panels and icons to them ... is that possible yet? i couldn't figure it out if yes
[21:11] <Dr_willis> ObeyRoy,  did you ENABLE compiz? You got the fancy wiggly windows? compiz is not enabled by default in kubuntu.
[21:11] <mohi> http://kde.org/kde-4.0-release-event/
[21:11] <genii> stdin: I noticed you have a credit on the kde4 rc2 d/l page :)
[21:11] <ObeyRoy> Dr_willis: No, i did not enable it
[21:11] <holycow> Tm_T: i have it installed, am going in and testing it here and there
[21:12] <mohi> was ir released?
[21:12] <mohi> it
[21:12] <ObeyRoy> Dr_willis: I am just trying to get this program to run smoothly, any suggestions?
[21:12] <mohi> when whould we have kde4 (finall version) on kubuntu repos?
[21:13] <LjL> mohi: pretty shortly, i think. the packages should be building.
[21:13] <mohi> LjL: you mean maybe tomorrow? or when?
[21:14] <jpatrick> LjL: packages will be done tomorrow
[21:14] <LjL> mohi, i'm not a prophet, but i mean a mean of 5 hours from now with a standard deviation of 4 hours
[21:15] <mohi> LjL: ooh! tanx! I just wanted to know if I can publish the news of this or not .? (ubuntu.ir)
[21:15] <jpatrick> mohi: not yet
[21:16] <mohi> jpatrick: ooh! ok!
[21:16] <extremis> how long do you think it will take before there is an official kubuntu kde4 package?
[21:17] <Dr_willis> ObeyRoy,  you enabled compiz? If not - then its not enabled.. and you are looking in the wrong place. :)  You might want run your wine/game inside a lighter window manager. such as jwm,  that way you dont have all the kde overhead on the system. (that will also totally disable compiz as well, if its enabled)
[21:19] <evesautomotive> ello luv
[21:21] <evesautomotive> soz I goez to kdelook and d/l some pretty cool stuff...but I'll be dam if I know how to make it install
[21:22] <Dr_willis> depends on what exactly it is. In many cases kde theme 'parts' need to be compiled and installed.
[21:23] <evesautomotive> ohhhhhh....I thought I could just browse to the tar and it would do that automagically
[21:23] <evesautomotive> hmph
[21:24] <AmyRose> evesautomotive: At least it's easier to customize than Windows is
[21:24] <Dr_willis> depends on what it is exactly.
[21:24] <evesautomotive> aighty
[21:24] <Dr_willis> icons you can just drag/drop to the icon settings tool normally
[21:25] <Dr_willis> thers also a lot of kde themes and parts Not installed by default. Check your pakage manager search for 'themes' and 'kwin'
[21:25] <evesautomotive> how bout splash screens?
[21:25] <Dr_willis> !find kwin
[21:25] <ubotu> Found: kwin, kwin-style-crystal, kwin4, kwin-baghira, kwin-style-alphacube (and 6 others)
[21:25] <Dr_willis> I disable splash screens.. so i dont know. :)
[21:25] <evesautomotive> yea got all those
[21:25] <evesautomotive> I had to disable splash to get my 64 to even load
[21:26] <AmyRose> !anything`
[21:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything` - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:26] <Dr_willis> !info fusesmb
[21:26] <ubotu> fusesmb: filesystem client based on the SMB file transfer protocol. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-1 (gutsy), package size 29 kB, installed size 140 kB
[21:27] <evesautomotive> yea got the universe in my pocket
[21:28]  * AmyRose is naughty enough to also have the multiverse in hers
[21:28] <evesautomotive> its cool....since I opened up more repositories via adept it let me get some pretty cool login screens however I want to match my splash screen w/ my lizard
[21:28] <noaXess> !lamp
[21:28] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[21:29] <sparrw> on one kubuntu box i get a kde popup when inserting usb flash drives or usb card readers.  on another kubuntu box i only get the popup for flash drives, not for my card reader.  help?
[21:29] <AmyRose> What about lamps that take CF bulbs?
[21:29]  * AmyRose rimshots
[21:29] <stdin> genii: I should hope so too :p
[21:30] <Edulix> hi
[21:30] <Edulix> anyone know when is going to be released the kde 4.0.0 packages for kubuntu?
[21:30] <jpatrick> Edulix: in ppa
[21:30] <Tm_T> Edulix: when ready
[21:32] <Edulix> Tm_T: I know that before asking ;)
[21:32] <Edulix> jpatrick: uhm, what's is ppa?
[21:33] <jpatrick> !ppa > Edulix
[21:34] <Edulix> jpatrick: I mean, for example normally when there's a new amarok release, someone in the dot links to the ubuntu packages, jriddell I belive
[21:34] <jpatrick> Edulix: they will hopefully be in gutsy-backports tomorrows
[21:34] <jpatrick> tomorrow*
[21:34] <Edulix> ah ok =)
[21:37] <spaci76> re@ll
[21:47] <david__> Has anyone been able to fix the problem with Kubuntu Gutsy not recieving obex pushes via bluetooth?
[21:48] <x_link> Hi
[21:48] <x_link> Does anybody know where I can get KDE 4.0 Live CD?
[21:48] <trixon> I installed kubuntu-desktop in my ubuntu, how do I get the KDE login manager?
[21:48] <x_link> A friend want's to try it out.
[21:49] <x_link> trixon: sudo aptitude install kdm?
[21:49] <trixon> x_link. I got /usr/bin/kdm already
[21:49] <x_link> trixon: Okey, then I don't know.
[21:49] <genii> trixon: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[21:50] <genii> trixon: Choose kdm for login manager
[21:51] <trixon> geni, ty,,
[21:51] <trixon> $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[21:51] <trixon> Please be sure to run "dpkg --configure kdm"
[21:51] <makuseru> hi, i want to put my /home directory on a different partition, how would i do this?
[21:51] <trixon> did that too, off to log in now
[21:53] <trappist> makuseru: format the partition as ext3 or something, mount it as /tmphome or something, copy (sudo cp -a) the contents of /home to it, set it up in /etc/fstab to mount as /home, rename (sudo mv) /home, sudo mkdir /home, sudo mount /home
[21:54] <trappist> makuseru: forgot, sudo umount /tmphome before trying to mount it on /home
[21:54] <trappist> makuseru: you'll probably need to do this from a root console without kde running, so you'd sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop first.  might work without doing that, not sure.
[21:57] <matttis> how do i install the uberscript for xchat ?
[21:57] <makuseru> trappist: so if its set to mount as /home it will know to save everything there instead of the partition with the actuall OS?
[22:02] <jhutchins_wk> Isn't there a tool that lets you mount a bootable ISO, make changes, then remaster it for burning?
[22:02] <tzd> bluetooth skills anyone? Seems impossible to get some help with it and i would really love to get it working ;)
[22:02] <trappist> makuseru: there can only be one /home, so if it's mounted as a partition, that's where it'll go
[22:02] <chris062689> Hello world! :)
[22:02] <makuseru> trappist: alright, thats pretty simple
[22:03] <chris062689> I can't wait for KDE 4.0, what about you guys?
[22:03] <Ravestream_> Newbi giving it 1 last chans..
[22:04] <thewhitepelican> I come bearing glad tidings hehe
[22:04] <Ravestream_> i cant get higer res than 640x480.. why ??
[22:04] <TheWhiteRook> chris062089: only 7 hours... (if they release at midnight)
[22:04] <chris062689> Did they say what time they were going to release ti?
[22:04] <thewhitepelican> I fonally got the dist upgrade to work
[22:04] <chris062689> I'm so happy I get Friday off.
[22:04] <thewhitepelican> finally*
[22:05] <thewhitepelican> boy, you guys are chomping t the bit hehe
[22:05] <thewhitepelican> at*
[22:05] <chris062689> Is there anyway to get Konqueror automaticly redirect to google if the URL isn't found?  (Like in firefox?)
[22:06] <Ravestream_> is there anyway to get kubunto to run higer res then 640x480  ??
[22:06] <chris062689> System Settings > Monitor & Display?
[22:06] <chris062689> I assume you already know about this though... :P
[22:06] <Ravestream_> chris062689: : highest res there is 640x480 :(
[22:06] <thewhitepelican> odd
[22:07] <Ravestream_> it workt fine after install..
[22:07] <TheWhiteRook> Ravestream: it could also be Settings>Periferals>Monitor & Display
[22:07] <TheWhiteRook> hmmm
[22:07] <chris062689> Can your monitor support higher than that?
[22:07] <Ravestream_> chris062689: : oh ya
[22:07] <Ravestream_> it workt fine after install.. but when i booted up today i only get 640x480
[22:08] <chris062689> Make sure your restricted drivers are enabled?
[22:08] <Ravestream_> chris062689:  how di i do that ..
[22:08] <Ravestream_> im newborn with linux..
[22:11] <chris062689> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:11] <chris062689> copy / paste that somewhere
[22:12] <jpatrick> !kdesudo | chris062689
[22:12] <ubotu> chris062689: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[22:15] <Ravestream_> chris062689:  i did.. a hole lot of errors
[22:15] <chris062689> I know this is a really stupid question but... how do I play mp3 and ogm files?
[22:15] <ed__> You need the right codecs.
[22:15] <ed__> *reads a bit of a manual*
[22:16] <ed__> i mean searches
[22:16] <ed__> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[22:16] <ed__> Here you go.
[22:16] <ed__> install kubuntu-restricted-extras,
[22:17] <chris062689> ah
[22:17] <ed__> (I prefer aptitude for installing meta-packagesnow)
[22:17] <chris062689> I put in ubuntu-res* instead :P
[22:17] <chris062689> Silly me.
[22:17] <chris062689> thank you so much.
[22:17] <ed__> Ah it's okay :-)
[22:17] <GrahamA> Hey, how can I copy a DVD to CD?
[22:18] <GrahamA> The DVD image will fit.
[22:18] <ed__> I should think so.
[22:18] <ed__> What are you using, K3B?
[22:18] <GrahamA> Yes
[22:19] <Ravestream_> i got these kind of errors
[22:19] <Ravestream_> kded: ERROR: Communication problem with kded, it probably crashed.
[22:19] <ed__> It's odd, but I seem to have less KDE apps when I install the kde package on Ubuntu rather than, say, openSUSE.
[22:19] <ed__> Meh.
[22:19] <Ravestream_> kded: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[22:19] <ed__> I'd try launching gnome-system-monitor, ending kded and starting it again from bash, but don't blame me for any damages resulting from doing that.
[22:20] <GrahamA> ed__: I'll rip a .iso off it to save time.
[22:21] <ed__> I have this really annoying problem with my sound; it seems that when I crash my computer, it messes up. I tend to end esd, change my sound card back t the usual, relaunch esd and restart, bu I'm not sure how reliable this is. Doe sanyone know of a solution?
[22:21] <ed__> Okay.
[22:21] <basy> How can i check from terminal if I am on 32bit or 64bit kernel?
[22:21] <ed__> arch
[22:22] <ed__> if you have it, i think
[22:22] <adz21c> basy: uname -a
[22:22] <ed__> *looks around in synaptic*
[22:23] <ed__> *fails to find arch*
[22:23]  * ed__ guesses 'what he said'
[22:23] <chris062689> I just installed Kubuntu-restricted
[22:23] <basy> thanks
[22:23] <chris062689> and now it says the Audio channel isn't available.
[22:23] <chris062689> :(
[22:23] <chris062689> I can't hear any music coming out of my speakers now.
[22:23] <chris062689> (or audio)
[22:23] <ed__> Hmm
[22:23] <ed__> Out of my scope.
[22:23] <chris062689> crap.
[22:24] <ed__> Eeeh, just wait for someone else.
[22:25] <chris062689> Audio output unabilible.  Device is busy. ()
[22:25] <adz21c> chris062689: what sound card you got?
[22:26] <chris062689> This isn't good....
[22:26] <Ravestream_> kded: cannot connect to X server :0.0   what can the problem be ?
[22:26] <chris062689> .... not positive, but it was working great before I installed restricted-drivers
[22:27] <adz21c> chris062689: what did you need restricted for?
[22:27] <chris062689> mp3s...
[22:27] <chris062689> ogms...
[22:27] <adz21c> ok
[22:27] <adz21c> drivers?
[22:27] <adz21c> u shouldn't need restricted drivers for that
[22:28] <chris062689> just my wireless and nvidia.
[22:28] <adz21c> ok
[22:28] <chris062689> Well
[22:28] <chris062689> er..
[22:28] <chris062689> Sorry..
[22:28] <chris062689> I installed kubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:29] <chris062689> Not the actual drivers.
[22:29] <adz21c> ok
[22:29] <adz21c> you tried just removing that see what happens?
[22:29] <chris062689> well
[22:29] <chris062689> No.. but..
[22:29] <chris062689> I need mp3 support :(
[22:29] <adz21c> yea but its a test to see if that caused it atleast
[22:30] <chris062689> should I try removing it and rebooting?
[22:30] <adz21c> yea
[22:30] <chris062689> ok brb
[22:30] <Ravestream_> is there any way to "repair" kubuntu withour reinstall ?
[22:31] <adz21c> Ravestream_: in what sense?
[22:31] <basy> Can i install 32bit ubuntu with 32bit MINI_CD on 64bit Hardware? I download 32bit MINI CD, but the image was: x86_64 :( But it installs 64bit on my PC Can I use this mini CD to install 32bit version?
[22:31] <ed__> Yes.
[22:31] <basy> how?
[22:31] <ed__> I think so.
[22:31] <adz21c> yes
[22:31] <ed__> Wait.
[22:31] <adz21c> just go along as normal
[22:32] <ed__> I think you can install 32 bit ubuntu on 64 bit hardware, but maybe not from a 64 bit CD.
[22:32] <adz21c> no not from an x64 cd but installing x86 on x64 processor should work ok
[22:32] <ed__> yeah, just boot from the 32 bit one and launch the installer as usual :-)
[22:32] <ed__> ditto
[22:32] <chris062689> Ok now I hear stuff..
[22:32] <Ravestream_> adz21c: somthing is fucked upp with my grafik  i can only get 640x480
[22:32] <chris062689> It's just.. I can't get mp3 or ogms to play.
[22:33] <ed__> erm
[22:33] <adz21c> Ravestream_: what graphics card you got?
[22:33] <chris062689> er.. wtf...
[22:33] <chris062689> Ogms still play, but when I do that it says audio device is in use.
[22:33] <ed__> i dunno if editing xorg.conf would help. *searches for gui tool*
[22:33] <jpatrick> !language | chris062689
[22:33] <chris062689> Gah this was so much easier on Ubuntu =(
[22:33] <ubotu> chris062689: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[22:33] <adz21c> ok chris062689try this
[22:33] <nexamac> Ravestream_: what driver are you using for your videocard?
[22:33] <Ravestream_> adz21c:  GF 6600gt
[22:33] <chris062689> ... is "wtf" not allowed here I guess?
[22:34] <jpatrick> chris062689: no, just to keep the channel temperature down
[22:34] <nexamac> chris062689: just dont curse :)
[22:34] <nexamac> well ok
[22:34] <nexamac> ignore me
[22:34] <chris062689> Perhaps.. I should just move back to Ubuntu =/
[22:34] <adz21c> chris062689: the packages that restricted-extras installs (its a dummy package) are as follows
[22:34] <chris062689> Since if I can't get this audio channel thing to work... it won't do me any good
[22:34] <NexaMac> chris062689: what soundcard?
[22:34] <jpatrick> chris062689: have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extas?
[22:34] <Ravestream_> nexamac: . dont know.. i only installed kubunto.. it looks nice.. next time reebot without any changes i can only sett 640x480
[22:34] <chris062689> yes..
[22:34] <NexaMac> and please dont tell me youre using a mac,,
[22:35] <chris062689> But I removed them.
[22:35] <NexaMac> Ravestream_: whats your videocard then?
[22:35] <adz21c> libxine1-ffmpeg, libdvdread3, libk3b2-mp3, unrar, liblame0, libtunepimp5-mp3. install them one at a time and see which breaks it
[22:35] <chris062689> well the thing is..
[22:35] <chris062689> Even though I uninstalled it..
[22:35] <chris062689> It still allows me to play the things
[22:35] <chris062689> and audio channel still isn't there.
[22:35] <Ravestream_> NexaMac:  Gf 6600 gt
[22:36] <NexaMac> Ravestream_: allright, first i want you to try something
[22:36] <NexaMac> log out, shutdown the xserver and do a reconfigure
[22:36] <NexaMac> know how to?
[22:36] <Ravestream_> NexaMac:  Talk like to a child.. im newbie on linux
[22:36] <NexaMac> aight
[22:37] <noaXess> i get an sf_dir_open error rc=-38
[22:37] <NexaMac> dont do this yet, but you hit CTRL+ALT+F1, then log in, then type "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop"
[22:37] <ed__> For the guy with the screen resolution problem: do you have gnome? If so, go into system->administration->scren and graphics then select from the Resolution: drop-down-box.
[22:37] <Ravestream_> ed__:  kubuntu
[22:37] <noaXess> have made a shared folder for my guest, mounted it ok.. and wanted to browse it from the guest.. the avoce error offurs
[22:37] <NexaMac> Ravestream_: then proceed to type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" then follow the instructions and select Vesa as video driver
[22:38] <NexaMac> Ravestream_: THEN when it comes to resolution mode setup etc, select medium and select the resolution you wanna use
[22:38] <ed__> Ravestream: Alright; it's just that you CAN install gnome on Kubuntu... I think.
[22:38] <NexaMac> Ravestream_: now grab a pen and write down what i said :P
[22:38] <Ravestream_> NexaMac:  can i do that in a console her or do i log of x first. ?
[22:38] <Ravestream_> NexaMac: : hold 2 sec befor typing
[22:38] <NexaMac> Ravestream_: log of X
[22:38] <NexaMac> >_>
[22:39] <noaXess> ou.. wrong channel.. sorry
[22:39] <ravestream> NexaMac: now go :)
[22:39] <NexaMac> what part do you want me to repeat? :<
[22:40] <Pollywog> why does Konqueror in Gutsy fail to render many websites?  It just shows a blank page
[22:40] <noaXess> !find ftp-server
[22:40] <ubotu> Found: vsftpd, ftpd, ftpd-ssl, heimdal-servers, inetutils-ftpd (and 10 others)
[22:40] <Ravestream_> Not to self
[22:40] <Ravestream_>  "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" then follow the instructions and select Vesa as video driver
[22:40] <Pollywog> Firefox will display most of them
[22:40] <NexaMac> Ravestream: thats about right, just "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop" first to completely shut off X
[22:41] <Ravestream_> how do i log of x ? and stay in non x part
[22:41] <Ravestream_> tnx
[22:41] <NexaMac> read above statement ;)
[22:41] <noaXess> how can i get info's about a package with apt-get?
[22:41] <basy>  <adz21c>: uname -a result is i686 => mini cd that i used to install was x86_64 (there is no single 32 mini cd), and there were no choice of 32/64bit during instalation process, ... My hardware is 64bit... Are you sure that i can install it with mini cd?
[22:41] <NexaMac> Ravestream_: when youre done, let me know :)
[22:41] <Pollywog> apt-cache show <package>
[22:41] <NexaMac> Ravestream_: oh also, what resolution will you be using?
[22:42] <NexaMac> bah
[22:42] <basy>  <adz21c> Do i need single 32 bit live CD or DVD?
[22:42] <ravestream> NexaMac: 1280x1024
[22:42] <NexaMac> :D
[22:42] <adz21c> basy: i believe i686 is 32bit
[22:42] <NexaMac> allright
[22:42] <ravestream> @ least
[22:43] <Pollywog> noaXess: also apt-cache showpkg <package>
[22:43] <noaXess> Pollywog: thanks..
[22:43] <NexaMac> ravestream: start off with 1280x1024, cause it works
[22:43] <NexaMac> ravestream: when youre done well get to installing your vid card and fixing resolutions properly
[22:44] <NexaMac> ravestream: now go do some magic :)
 :) you are rigth, my mistake
[22:45] <basy> thanks
[22:46] <basy> got bles google
[22:49] <ravestream> NexaMac: do i need to reboot ven guide is ready ?
[22:49] <NexaMac> ravestream: nope
[22:49] <NexaMac> just startx
[22:49] <ravestream> tnx
[22:49] <NexaMac> let me know if it worked ^^
[22:50] <ravestream> NexaMac: LOL ..
[22:50] <ravestream> dont work..
[22:50] <NexaMac> :<
[22:50] <NexaMac> what happens?
[22:50] <ravestream> i guess i did wrong somewere
[22:50] <NexaMac> well, what exactly happens? :p
[22:50] <NexaMac> blinking screen with loads of weird pixels?
[22:50] <ravestream> i got black and vite lines crossed onlu
[22:51] <NexaMac> resolution problem i guess
[22:51] <NexaMac> try again only use 1024x768
[22:51] <NexaMac> give it a try at least
[22:51] <NexaMac> :p
[22:51] <ravestream> i vill brb
[22:51] <ravestream> hmmm hove do i go out from xorg now when i cant se
[22:51] <NexaMac> reinstalling ubuntu on my desktop, its soooo tempting to hit "use entire disk"
[22:51] <NexaMac> ctrl+alt+f1
[22:52] <Flare183> !autostart
[22:52] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[22:52] <jpatrick> ravestream: seems like a guy in #kubuntu-es is having the same problem..
[22:52] <ravestream> jpatrick .. det är jag det :)
[22:52] <ravestream> jpatrick: ubuntu-se u mean ?
[22:53] <NexaMac> guys, i have no clue anymore, for 2 gig of ram, should i limit my swap to 2048mb, or should i still doubel it?
[22:53] <NexaMac> double even
[22:53] <adz21c> NexaMac: i don't even have that for mine
[22:53] <adz21c> i left it at 512 ithink
[22:53] <adz21c> i RARELY even touch my swap with 2GB
[22:53] <NexaMac> :>
[22:53] <SSJ_GZ> NexaMac: Are you going to be hibernating your computer?
[22:53] <NexaMac> SSJ_GZ: its either on, or its off.
[22:54] <jpatrick> ravestream: no, the spanish one
[22:54] <SSJ_GZ> NexaMac: Then what adz21c said :)
[22:54] <NexaMac> aight
[22:54] <NexaMac> cheers
[22:54] <ed__> Hmm, I think hibernating is pretty good in some ways - i like the prospect of saving the stuff to sawp and pretty much switching off.
[22:54] <ed__> *swap
[22:56] <sven_> ubuntu rocks :D
[22:57] <wesley> i need the adept fix adept crashed
[22:57] <sven_> whats the newest ubuntu version? i've an updated feisty fawn
[22:57] <NexaMac> gutsy
[22:57] <NexaMac> 7.10
[22:58] <sven_> uh stable i mean
[22:58] <wesley> that gutsy
[22:58] <sven_> um how can i upgrade? :)
[22:58] <wesley> adept crased how to fix?
[22:58] <NexaMac> ravestream: still here?
[22:59] <sven_> NexaMac: ?
[22:59] <NexaMac> ?
[22:59] <ravestream> NexaMac: yes .. still trying :)
[22:59] <NexaMac> k :p
[22:59] <NexaMac> any luck?
[22:59] <sven_> NexaMac:  how to update to the newest ubuntu version
[23:00] <NexaMac> sven_: download it? :<
[23:00] <ravestream> NexaMac: not yet
[23:00] <sven_> NexaMac:  -.-
[23:00] <NexaMac> through X or through console sven_?
[23:00] <NexaMac> terminal whatever
[23:00] <sven_> i've installed and configured my ubuntu install
[23:00] <sven_> X
[23:00] <NexaMac> the updater
[23:00] <sven_> i just want to switch repos to the newest and update
[23:00] <NexaMac> there should be a button there to update to 7.10
[23:00] <sven_> dist-upgrade or something like that
[23:00] <wesley> adept crased how to fix?
[23:00] <sven_> NexaMac: where's that button? :D
[23:01] <NexaMac> wesley: kill it? :p
[23:01] <ravestream> NexaMac: not yet
[23:01] <NexaMac> sven_: should be at the top off the update window o_O
[23:01] <NexaMac> ravestream: you ARE using Vesa right?
[23:01] <ravestream> NexaMac: yes
[23:01] <NexaMac> hmm
[23:01] <NexaMac> strange tbh
[23:01] <NexaMac> got two computers?
[23:01] <NexaMac> >_>
[23:01] <sven_> NexaMac:  and where can i find this update window?
[23:01] <NexaMac> i take that back
[23:01] <wesley> you cant kill it there a fix ubotu gives it all the time to me
[23:01] <ravestream> well i got to the login page with proper res. but gets blank when i try to login
[23:02] <NexaMac> sven_: dont ask me, im used to gnome :P
[23:02] <NexaMac> aight ravestream, i had that same problem, couldnt fix it.. doubt its a graphic card problem..
[23:03] <NexaMac> i tried reinstalling drivers, tried vesa, tried everything, couldnt fix it :< reinstalling as were talking :p
[23:03] <ravestream> NexaMac: well i give it 1 chans more the reinstall ..
[23:03] <NexaMac> i didnt try googling tho
[23:03] <sven_> NexaMac:  same here :P
[23:03] <NexaMac> ravestream: you could try installing the drivers for your vid card tho
[23:03] <NexaMac> i can give you a link if yo uwant :)
[23:03] <NexaMac> you*
[23:03] <ravestream> NexaMac: please :)
[23:04] <NexaMac> ravestream: http://ubuntusoftware.info/beryl.html#nvidia
[23:05] <NexaMac> now afk for some guitar hero while my system finishes :) back in five
[23:05] <wesley> adept crased and now its closed how can i fix it please i need the adept fix
[23:06] <ravestream> NexaMac: tnx 4 the help .. play well :)
[23:07] <wesley> 'please ubotu i need the adept fix
[23:08] <lobas> hallo
[23:08] <wesley> adept is crasedand the data base is closed now how to fix
[23:08] <NexaMac> back
[23:09] <stdin> !aptfix | wesley
[23:09] <ubotu> wesley: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[23:09] <stdin> wesley: ubotu is a bot, use !aptfix to get it to give you the "aptfix" factoid
[23:10] <wesley> i going make me file wat te doen bij adept crash
[23:11] <wesley> it happens often that adept crashed
[23:12] <wesley> for example when installing java via adept it will crash
[23:13] <sMonk> Hello
[23:14] <NexaMac> !hi
[23:14] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[23:14] <Schuenemann> where is the file kwin.rc ?
[23:14] <colorlessblueide> !apt
[23:14] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[23:14] <sMonk> Doesn't KDE 4 come out today?
[23:15] <adz21c> Schuenemann: ~/.kde/share/config
[23:17] <Schuenemann> adz21c, thanks
[23:18] <legs1x1> hody all
[23:21] <yodaz> hi
[23:21] <yodaz> happy new year all
[23:22] <yodaz> where can I edit the list of website for which konqueror store / don't store password ?
[23:23] <flithm> sMonk: it sure does!
[23:24] <flithm> sMonk: I'm pretty stoked about it... can't wait for ubuntu packages! :)
[23:24] <NexaMac> final release? :|
[23:24] <SSJ_GZ> yodaz: ~/.kde/share/apps/khtml/formcompletions
[23:24] <sMonk> Same here
[23:25] <artur_> Hello. When i installed Kubuntu the step that i set a password for ROOT was skipped (i don't know why) but i could use kubuntu with SUDO. But yesterday i had to became ROOT, but i don't have the password. I've tried to use a Live CD, because in this way i'd have the root password, and then edit the /etc/shadow and in the line of root deleting what is between the 1st and 2nd ':' and make it become like this root::13849:0:99999:7::: The
[23:25] <artur_> problem was that when i went back to kubuntu a problem happened and i had to execute FSCK. After this, the result wasn't what was desired. Detail in the /etc/shadow:  root:!:13849:0:99999:7:::  In this this '!' is because no password was set.
[23:25] <NexaMac> artur_:  there is no root password
[23:25] <NexaMac> sudo su
[23:26] <legs1x1> artur_:  use $sudo su
[23:26] <stdin> no, sudo -i
[23:26] <legs1x1> then put in your pass
[23:26] <artur_> sudo su worked!
[23:26] <legs1x1> :)
[23:26] <NexaMac> .
[23:26] <flithm> anyone what the plan is with kd4?  how long after its release will packages be avail?
[23:26] <artur_> and now,  passwd ??
[23:26] <NexaMac> YOUR password
[23:27] <stdin> flithm: as soon as humanly possible
[23:27] <flithm> stdin: :>
[23:27] <NexaMac> artur_: the one you usually use for your regular user
[23:27] <legs1x1> yah kde4 is why I am here
[23:27] <legs1x1> is it in any reps?
[23:27] <legs1x1> besides RC2
[23:27] <flithm> legs1x1: it's not release just yet... another hour or something :)
[23:27] <sMonk> flithm: I wonder how easy the upgrade from 3.5.8 to 4 will be.. if there will be any issues
[23:27] <legs1x1> Damn the suspense...
[23:27] <stdin> it should hopefully be in -backports by tomorrow, but it'll be in the PPA too
[23:27] <yodaz> SSJ_GZ: thx :)
[23:27] <artur_> Thanks folks!! ;)
[23:27] <SSJ_GZ> yodaz: np :)
[23:28] <NexaMac> np artur_
[23:28] <flithm> sMonk: from what I've been told, it's not an "upgrade" you install them side by side, so you can always go back to using kde3 apps and uninstall kde4
[23:28] <sMonk> I know this isn't Winblows, but no one is perfect lol (Kubuntu is darn close tho)
[23:28] <stdin> sMonk: for now they will exist separately, so you'll have kde3 and kde4
[23:28] <legs1x1> artur_: good luck
[23:28] <sMonk> Oh yea?
[23:28] <flithm> stdin: nice!  good job to all involved for getting it out so quickly... awesome!
[23:29] <sMonk> I guess that's a good thing.. lol, until all the "bugs" ok.. realisitic, the BAD bugs are worked out
[23:29] <Greenery> will the panel for KDE4 in Kubuntu different?
[23:30] <stdin> some kde4 apps weren't ready for kde4 release (like amarok) so they'll need some kde3 bits anyway
[23:31] <sMonk> So I take it one day (probably a year or more from now, it will be "safe" enough to rid of 3.5.8
[23:32] <Schuenemann> my fonts in non-KDE applications (firefox and thunderbird) are too big, what can I do?
[23:32] <TheWhiteRook> It would be nice if they waited until software was decently ready for use before they put it out... seems to be a trend lately.
[23:32] <sMonk> TheWhiteRook: That's probably why they are making it side by side
[23:32] <NexaMac> ravestream: getting anywhere? :p
[23:33] <stdin> sMonk: we think my KDE 4.1, which will hopefully be out in time for hardy
[23:33] <chris062689> Is there a good IRC client for GNOME?
[23:33] <NexaMac> chris062689: irssi or konversation? :)
[23:33] <chris062689> well, I'd like to stay GNOME-only
[23:33] <chris062689> even though I love KDE, I don't like to mix and match.
[23:33] <flithm> chris062689: strangely enough I prefer pidgin :)
[23:33] <NexaMac> konversation
[23:33] <chris062689> pidgin..
[23:33] <chris062689> Does IRC?
[23:33] <sMonk> Yeah? Good to know. LoL Probably the same time, 2 big upgrades
[23:33] <chris062689> I never knew that :P
[23:33] <chris062689> I love pidgin.
[23:33] <flithm> chris062689: yeah it actually does a decent job of it too
[23:34] <ravestream> NexaMac: no going to reinstall .. it was installed yesterday so i don lose anythin.. and i going to try ubunto 7.10
[23:34] <flithm> chris062689: tab complete, dcc, auto msg nickserv, hide join / parts in a smart way, etc
[23:34] <NexaMac> konversation for k/ubuntu, jsircci or whatever for mac, and mirc for winlol :<
[23:34] <stdin> sMonk: hopefully it'll be before hardy, we want 8.04 to be KDE4 by default so it'd be nice to have 4.1
[23:35] <NexaMac> ravestream: gl
[23:35] <sMonk> Very true. I don't care, my wife don't either as long as I don't play around again and loose everything. lol
[23:35] <sMonk> again
[23:36] <segfault2k> hey kde 4.0 its in ppa, but i cant get it to work, when i choose kde4 from kdm it restart x server (btw, sorry my english)
[23:37] <flithm> segfault2k: 4.0 final is in PPA?!?
[23:37] <segfault2k> yeah
[23:37] <segfault2k> look
[23:37] <segfault2k> Configurando kdenetwork-kde4 (4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1) ...
[23:37] <flithm> sweet!
[23:38] <segfault2k> yeah, but i have the same problem that i had with rc2, it just restart x server :(
[23:38] <flithm> segfault2k: where on ppa are you looking?
[23:39] <segfault2k> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main
[23:39] <JuJuBee> Anybody having problems using openoffice and creating forms?  Every time I try to create a form, it crashes.
[23:39] <flithm> segfault2k: I still see it hasn't been updated since dec 10?
[23:39] <segfault2k> xD
[23:40] <segfault2k> apt-get update d00d
[23:40] <flithm> segfault2k: I'm just looking with the web browser... they haven't changed any packages in there since last month
[23:41] <sMonk> JuJuBee: What ver?
[23:41] <JuJuBee> 2.2.0
[23:41] <segfault2k> flithm: u want screenshot ?
[23:42] <flithm> segfault2k: no it's okay :)
[23:42] <segfault2k> :P
[23:42] <sMonk> sorry, cant help you, I was going to check but I have 2.3
[23:42] <thewhitepelican> is anyone using kde 4 rc2?
[23:43] <sMonk> Just the livecd the odd time
[23:44] <hola> someone knows where is the configuration file that start compiz at startup?
[23:44] <TheWhiteRook> I tried KDE 4 rc2, but it was buggy enough that I went back to 3.5
[23:44] <segfault2k> kde4 is released in ppa
[23:44] <segfault2k> :B
[23:45] <hola> segfault2k: what ppa means
[23:45] <segfault2k> public mirror
[23:45] <TheWhiteRook> judging by the state of rc2, though, KDE4 won't be ready unless they did some MAJOR work on it.
[23:46] <thewhitepelican> ah, so it's isn't just me
[23:46] <segfault2k> lol
[23:46] <thewhitepelican> personally, I think they should delay it and work out all the kinks
[23:46] <TheWhiteRook> *nod*
[23:46] <thewhitepelican> i thought maybe it was because I'm running it through vmware
[23:46] <sMonk> TheWhiteRook: I know when I used the livecd it was shakey on my Kubuntu box, but the guys in #kde are talking about KDE4 on other builds and they are all saying that Kubuntu is having problems with KDE4 (in a nutshell)
[23:47] <thewhitepelican> is it just kubuntu?
[23:47] <TheWhiteRook> mmm. sure, blame it on the distro :P
[23:47] <sMonk> No no, I love Kubuntu. It's all I use
[23:47] <sMonk> But a few of them with Suse boxes say it works good
[23:47] <TheWhiteRook> sMonk: I'm talking about the #kde people
[23:48] <thewhitepelican> is it available with *choke gasp* open suse?
[23:49] <sMonk> AHH.. lol sorry
[23:49] <flithm> segfault2k: sorry I take it back you were right, kde4 is in ppa
[23:49] <segfault2k> :P
[23:49] <segfault2k> np man
[23:49] <thewhitepelican> rtm :)
[23:49] <segfault2k> damn i cant run kde4 :@
[23:49] <segfault2k> it just restart X sessionm
[23:50] <TheWhiteRook> hmmm. sounds like it runs worse for you than it did for me :P
[23:50] <segfault2k> yeah
[23:50] <segfault2k> :(
[23:50] <sMonk> that's crappy
[23:50] <segfault2k> i think its my fault but whatever XD
[23:50] <Zombocom> hey guys I have a laptop with several buttons on the top
[23:50] <TheWhiteRook> I was irritated particularly by the lack of working right click stuff on the panel
[23:50] <Zombocom> and my display got messed up so I reconfigured the Xserver
[23:50] <Zombocom> and most of the top buttons that I use
[23:51] <Zombocom> work
[23:51] <Zombocom> exept for the volume ones
[23:51] <Zombocom> hold up
[23:51] <Zombocom> how do I restore to the old xserver
[23:51] <Zombocom> because I know you can go back and look
[23:52] <sMonk> segfault2k: Do what I do.. when Linux messes up on me.. just blame Microsoft, even though I don't run Windows, it helps me to believe that it's not my fault
[23:52] <NexaMac> sMonk: good plan
[23:52] <flithm> is there a kde4 meta package that installs all of kde4?
[23:52] <chris062689> Wish there was.
[23:52] <flithm> oh hahah kde4
[23:52] <flithm> there is
[23:52] <stdin> flithm: not yet, there well be by tomorrow
[23:52] <chris062689> Really?
[23:52] <TheWhiteRook> I don't think all of kde4 is there to install :P
[23:53] <flithm> stdin: oh no... I see kde4 in there
[23:53] <chris062689> Is it RC2? or...
[23:53] <thewhitepelican> it is and it aint
[23:53] <stdin> flithm: on gutsy or hardy?
[23:53] <flithm> stdin: gutsy
[23:53] <stdin> what package name?
[23:53] <segfault2k> sMonk jajajaja lol! XD
[23:53] <sMonk> Zombocom: Do you mean that your volume buttons don't work at ALL? or just the little green (colour?) dashes don't show?
[23:53] <thewhitepelican> I'm on gutasy through vmware and kde4 is very crashy
[23:53] <Zombocom> they don't work
[23:53] <flithm> stdin: ahh n/m it's rc2 I think
[23:53] <segfault2k> sMonk:  lollll xD
[23:53] <thewhitepelican> gutsy&
[23:53] <mm_work> whats an easy way to see which groups a user belongs to thru bash?
[23:54] <stdin> flithm: what package name is it, I know I haven't put it on gutsy yet
[23:54] <Zombocom> sMonk the play/pause, stop, next track, and last track buttons all still work
[23:54] <Zombocom> how do I restore to an old xorg.conf file?
[23:54] <Zombocom> just rename the one xorg.conf.1?
[23:54] <segfault2k> systemsettings-kde4_4%3a4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1_i386.deb
[23:54] <segfault2k> konqueror-kde4_4%3a4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1_i386.deb
[23:54] <segfault2k> etc.. :B
[23:54] <flithm> stdin: it's kde4 version 2~gutsy1~ppa1
[23:54] <TheWhiteRook> none of my media buttons work
[23:54] <Schuenemann> Zombocom, if that's a backup, yes
[23:54] <sMonk> Zombocom: usually that is the case... depends on how many times you changed it tho.
[23:55] <sMonk> if it's just once, then yeah, that should be your backup
[23:55] <sMonk> segfault2k: thought you'd like that suggestion
[23:55] <segfault2k> yeah! xD
[23:55] <Zombocom> I've only changed it once, I ran locate: xorg.conf and only 1 file came up as xorg.conf.#
[23:55] <segfault2k> i'm feeling better XD
[23:56] <Zombocom> and it was xorg.conf.1
[23:56] <Zombocom> so I just rename it to xorg.conf
[23:56] <Zombocom> ok
[23:56] <sMonk> BUT!! 1st take the one you have and name it to xorg.conf.2 JUST incase you loose more than just your volume
[23:57] <sMonk> (I speak from exp)
[23:57] <sMonk> lol
[23:57] <Zombocom> lol
[23:57] <Zombocom> I'll make sure to do that
[23:57] <stdin> flithm: ahh it was just uploaded
[23:57] <flithm> stdin: so it's okay to use that kde4 meta package?
[23:57] <sMonk> :) np
[23:58] <stdin> flithm: it may or may not work just yet, if you can try it and post the result to pasteben that'd be a great help :)
[23:58] <segfault2k> ive installed ppa's kde4
[23:58] <flithm> stdin: also, when I add the ppa repo to my sources file, it wants to update a bunch of kde3 apps, is that right?
[23:58] <segfault2k> and i can't run it, it just restart x server :(
[23:59] <stdin> flithm: yes it is, it's so kde3/4 can integrate properly
[23:59] <Zombocom> ok
[23:59] <flithm> stdin: should I just wait till tommorrow or is this safe? :)