[14:01] <danilos> you?
[14:01] <jtv> me?
[14:01] <barry> mii
[14:01] <ddaa> self
[14:02] <bac> yo
[14:02] <sinzui> I
[14:02] <SteveA> Who is chairing today's meeting?
[14:02] <danilos> kiko or someone he delegates :)
[14:02] <danilos> that's what the MeetingAgenda says
[14:02] <SteveA> who has kiko delegated?
[14:03] <SteveA> BjornT_: would you run today's meeting?
[14:03] <danilos> apparently, nobody
[14:04] <BjornT_> SteveA: sure, i'll do it
[14:04] <SteveA> thanks
[14:04] <BjornT_> so, roll call. who's here?
[14:04] <jtv> me
[14:04] <mrevell> me
[14:04] <SteveA> me
[14:04] <matsubara> me
[14:04] <flacoste> me
[14:04] <mpt> me
[14:04] <schwuk> me
[14:04] <bac> me
[14:04] <statik> me
[14:04] <jamesh> me
[14:04] <barry> me
[14:04] <adeuring> me
[14:04] <ddaa> me
[14:05] <stub> me
[14:05] <sinzui> me
[14:05] <intellectronica> me
[14:05] <salgado> me
[14:05] <mthaddon> me
[14:05] <allenap> me
[14:06] <danilos> me
[14:07] <gmb> me.
[14:07] <BjornT_> == Agenda ==
[14:07] <gmb> Sorry.
[14:07] <BjornT_>  * Roll call
[14:07] <BjornT_>  * Agenda
[14:07] <BjornT_>  * Next meeting
[14:07] <BjornT_>  * Actions from last meeting
[14:07] <BjornT_>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[14:07] <leonardr> me
[14:07] <BjornT_>  * Critical Bugs (Rinchen)
[14:07] <BjornT_>  * Bug tags
[14:07] <BjornT_>  * Operations report (mthaddon)
[14:07] <BjornT_>  * DBA report (stub)
[14:08] <BjornT_>  * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[14:08] <BjornT_>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[14:08] <BjornT_> ----
[14:08] <BjornT_>  * Test plans ownership (flacoste)
[14:08] <BjornT_>  * Add your bug feed to your website (mrevell)
[14:08] <BjornT_> ----
[14:08] <BjornT_>  * Blockers
[14:09] <BjornT_> who will not be here for the meeting next week?
[14:09] <BjornT_> ok. so next meeting will be as usual, 17th jan, 1400 UTC
[14:09] <BjornT_>  * Actions from last meeting
[14:10] <BjornT_> there were no actions from the last meeting
[14:10] <BjornT_>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[14:10] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bugs 181772, 181770
[14:10] <ubotu> Bug 181772 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/181772 is private
[14:10] <matsubara> bigjools: can you take181772?
[14:11] <matsubara> I've chatted with flacoste about #181770 already and assigned to him
[14:11] <matsubara> bigjools: ?
[14:13] <bigjools> hi
[14:13] <matsubara> am I lagged?
[14:13] <SteveA> bug 181770
[14:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181770 in launchpad "Oops deleting a package link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181770
[14:14] <bigjools> matsubara: I can take that
[14:14] <SteveA> matsubara: I don't think you are lagged
[14:14] <ddaa> I'd be happy to take that
[14:14] <matsubara> thanks bigjools
[14:14] <matsubara> ddaa: please coordinate with flacoste about it. thanks for volunteering
[14:14] <flacoste> ddaa: if you mean 181770, yes, I think it's a fallout from your branch
[14:14] <ddaa> flacoste: indeed
[14:15] <BjornT_> ok, let's move on. there has been an amendment to the agenda. SteveA has an item now.
[14:15] <matsubara> BjornT_: I'm done with oops reports. I'll move on to Joey's critical bugs
[14:15] <BjornT_>  * launchpad-security team (SteveA)
[14:15] <matsubara> BjornT_: ok, go on
[14:15] <matsubara> SteveA: stage is yours :-)
[14:16] <SteveA> thanks
[14:16] <carlos> sorry, I forgot the meeting completely...
[14:16] <SteveA> right now, we have the launchpad-security team
[14:16] <SteveA> and it is automatically subscribed to bugs that are marked as related to security
[14:17] <SteveA> the problem with that is that we often need to have private bugs for launchpad that are not related to security
[14:17] <SteveA> so, there's a lot of noise for members of launchpad-security
[14:17] <SteveA> both in bugs that that team is subscribed to
[14:18] <SteveA> and in new bugs being temporarily subscribed to, and then unsubscribed
[14:18] <SteveA> I'm going to work around this by creating a new team: launchpad-security-autosubscribed
[14:18] <mpt> SteveA, currently "Launchpad Developers" is a member of "Launchpad Security"
[14:19] <SteveA> that will have launchpad developers as a member, and will be the security contact for launchpad projects
[14:19] <SteveA> we'll need to manually subscribe the "real" launchpad-security team to bugs that are really security issues
[14:19] <mpt> so "members of launchpad-security" means "all the developers"
[14:19] <SteveA> we have some outside help on launchpad-security, including james troup and kees cook
[14:19] <mpt> yes
[14:19] <barry> SteveA: doesn't it (perhaps also) make sense to have a separate checkbox for "this is a private (not security) bug" or somesuch?  currently the workflow for private-not-security bugs is a pita
[14:19] <cprov> me (sorry)
[14:20] <SteveA> barry: yes, I've separately proposed better support for projects like launchpad
[14:20] <SteveA> barry: that will take a while to get done
[14:20] <barry> SteveA: cool, thanks
[14:20] <SteveA> barry: it's with the lpcomm team
[14:20] <SteveA> so, I'll be doing this change today
[14:20] <SteveA> any questions?
[14:20] <SteveA> 4
[14:21] <SteveA> 3
[14:21] <SteveA> 2
[14:21] <SteveA> 1
[14:21] <SteveA> thank you
[14:21] <BjornT_> ok, thanks
[14:21] <BjornT_>  * Critical Bugs (matsubara)
[14:21] <EdwinGrubbs> me, sorry I'm late
[14:21] <matsubara> We have two critical bugs not yet started: bug 181766 and bug 181771.
[14:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181766 in launchpad "fix mailing list message headers and footers" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181766
[14:21] <ubotu> Bug 181771 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/181771 is private
[14:21] <matsubara> barry, do you have a status report about them?
[14:22] <flacoste> why are those critical?
[14:22] <barry> matsubara: i just reported them about 10 minutes ago :)
[14:22] <barry> flacoste: sorry, they shouldn't have been critical, but high
[14:22]  * barry will fix
[14:22] <matsubara> barry: all right
[14:23] <matsubara> so, no critical bugs atm
[14:23] <matsubara> BjornT_: I'm done here.
[14:23] <barry> fixed
[14:23] <BjornT_>  * Bug tags
[14:23] <BjornT_> no new tags have been proposed
[14:23] <BjornT_>  * Operations report (mthaddon)
[14:23] <mthaddon> Staging update script in progress
[14:23] <mthaddon> Staging supermirror rewritemap script now in place
[14:23] <mthaddon> Staging mailman complete (I believe?)
[14:23] <mthaddon> Scheduled downtime tomorrow to enable BBWC and for a PostgreSQL security update
[14:23] <mthaddon> Any final comments on the paramiko/bzr upgrade tests before we roll those out to all LP servers?
[14:23] <mthaddon> That's it from me unless there are any questions
[14:23] <barry> mthaddon: YES!  thanks so much
[14:24] <mthaddon> cool
[14:24] <barry> mthaddon: we may want to run a few more tests (including a full rebuild) once my branch that flacoste is reviewing lands
[14:24] <mthaddon> barry, absolutely - just let me know when
[14:24] <barry> mthaddon: great, thanks
[14:25] <BjornT_> ok, moving on
[14:25] <BjornT_>  * DBA report (stub)
[14:25] <stub> DB patch review call happened today with Mark. A couple of patches will
[14:25] <stub> get name changes. Two are rejected (bugs forwarded upstream,
[14:25] <stub> and bugs fixed elsewhere/upstream). I'll be doing the formal reviews tomorrow.
[14:25] <stub> Nothing else happening.
[14:25] <BjornT_> any questions for stub?
[14:25] <BjornT_> 4
[14:25] <BjornT_> 3
[14:26] <BjornT_> 2
[14:26] <BjornT_> 1
[14:26] <BjornT_>  * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[14:26] <BjornT_> anyone have any outstanding rt requests rinchen should know about?
[14:26] <BjornT_> 5
[14:26] <BjornT_> 4
[14:26] <BjornT_> 3
[14:26] <BjornT_> 2
[14:26] <BjornT_> 1
[14:26] <BjornT_>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[14:27] <mrevell> Howdy
[14:27] <mrevell> Hello. Today's user-affecting issue is related to bug 60915.
[14:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 60915 in usplash "usplash messes up colors on console" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60915
[14:27] <mrevell> At present, non-authenticated users see an obfuscated version of email addresses in bug comments.
[14:27] <mrevell> However, email addresses in bug comments are still displayed to logged-in users.
[14:27] <mrevell> This has caused a complaint from someone who has reported a bug to Cocinella project. The bug reporter felt that as they had chosen to hide their email address in Launchpad it should not appear in bug comments at all.
[14:28] <danilos> mrevell: is it really 60915?
[14:28] <mrevell> danilos: Thank you, no, not that one. Sorry.
[14:28] <SteveA> I see one email address there
[14:28] <mrevell> bug 60195
[14:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 60195 in launchpad-answers "May need to obfuscate email addresses in comments" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60195
[14:28] <SteveA> at the domain paul.sladen.org
[14:28] <SteveA> is that the email address being objected to?
[14:28] <mrevell> The bug that caused the complaint is: bug 180132
[14:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180132 in coccinella "Login settings are not saved" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180132
[14:29] <mrevell> comments 1 and 3 include the email address and comment 11 is where the reporter asked for removal
[14:29] <SteveA> what's bug 60915 then?
[14:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 60915 in usplash "usplash messes up colors on console" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60915
[14:29] <mrevell> SteveA: A typo on my part. Sorry.
[14:29] <BjornT_> mrevell: could you file a bug or send a mail to the list about this? we won't be able to come up with a solution in this meeting.
[14:29] <mrevell> BjornT_: Thank you. I shall file a bug.
[14:29] <BjornT_> thanks
[14:30] <carlos> SteveA: do we parse and hide email addresses included in bug comment text ?
[14:30] <BjornT_>  * Test plans ownership (flacoste)
[14:30] <SteveA> carlos: yes, but only for non-loggedin-users
[14:30] <carlos> SteveA: because that other bug has an email address because someone added it manually
[14:30] <carlos> I see, ok
[14:30] <bigjools> the same obfuscation takes place in package changelogs
[14:30] <flacoste> hmm, ok, i think i remember what this was about
[14:31] <flacoste> i want to know on which team test plan a bug or blueprint should appear
[14:31] <flacoste> is it on the team's responsible for the functional area
[14:31] <flacoste> or the team of the person who will test the bug
[14:31] <SteveA> mrevell: please make sure the person who complained and the person who inadvertantly posted their mail address knows that we care.
[14:31] <mrevell> SteveA: I shall.
[14:31] <BjornT_> flacoste: that sounds like a question better suited for the list, doesn't it?
[14:32] <flacoste> BjornT_: probably
[14:32] <flacoste> i'll email the list about it
[14:32] <flacoste> i think there was some other issue, but can't recall (i posted that item nearly one month ago)
[14:32] <BjornT_> flacoste: cool. i'm curious about the answer myself :)
[14:32] <BjornT_>  * Add your bug feed to your website (mrevell)
[14:33] <mrevell> I've placed my bug feed on my home page at http://www.understated.co.uk/
[14:33] <mrevell> It'd be great to see other people do something similar on their website, so that we can demonstrate the feeds feature we introduced with 1.1.12.
[14:33] <mrevell> It's very easy to do using MagpieRSS, Wordpress and tools such as http://wigitize.com/
[14:33] <mrevell> I've posted a quick Wordpress how to at:
[14:33] <mrevell> http://www.understated.co.uk/2008/launchpad-bug-feeds-in-wordpress/
[14:34] <mrevell> I'm keen to see how people are using their feeds, so please post links to the launchpad-users list if you go ahead.
[14:34] <mrevell> Thanks, back to BjornT_
[14:34] <BjornT_> thanks mrevell
[14:34] <BjornT_>  * Blockers
[14:34] <mrevell> Releases: not blocked
[14:34] <BjornT_> Bugs: not blocked
[14:34] <jtv> Translations team: Not blocked
[14:34] <flacoste> Foundations: not blocked
[14:34] <SteveA> SC: not blocked
[14:34] <schwuk> HWDB: not blocked
[14:35] <ddaa> Code: dunno, just came back from vacation and have not synced up yet. Presumably not blocked.
[14:35] <statik> lpcomm: not blocked
[14:35] <bigjools> Soyuz Team: not blocked
[14:36] <BjornT_> ok, that should be everyone. thanks for coming!
[14:36] <BjornT_> MEETING ENDED
[14:36] <schwuk> Thanks BjornT_
[14:36] <statik> thanks for running the meeting BjornT_
[14:36] <matsubara> Thanks BjornT_
[14:36] <SteveA> thank you BjornT_.  very smooth.
[14:36] <mrevell> thanks all
[14:37] <barry> thanks BjornT_