bryce | tjaalton: these BenQ's are sweeeeeet :-) | 05:33 |
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tjaalton | bryce: yep :) | 07:17 |
tjaalton | bryce: I don't know if you noticed airlied's reply to my question about intel, but it seems that we won't get a fixed intel EXA in time for hardy :/ | 07:18 |
tjaalton | so the performance will continue to suck, unless we switch back to XAA | 07:20 |
tjaalton | aha, Zhenyu Wang from intel confirmed that it will require TTM, so it's a no-go then :( | 07:22 |
tjaalton | freedesktop bug 13389 | 07:22 |
tjaalton | bah, no ubotu | 07:22 |
tjaalton | http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13389 | 07:22 |
bryce | hrm | 07:23 |
bryce | E_TOOMUCHSUCKAGE | 07:23 |
bryce | sorry, I'm fussing with my viewsonic monitor and it's acting screwy | 07:30 |
tjaalton | bryce: I reopened the "no compiz on 965" bug.. | 08:00 |
tjaalton | since there is no viable option to switching back to XAA | 08:01 |
mvo | tjaalton: what bugnumber is that? | 08:02 |
tjaalton | mvo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/148247 | 08:03 |
tjaalton | no ubotu here :) | 08:03 |
bryce | tjaalton: yeah... | 08:03 |
tjaalton | mvo: to make EXA performance better it would need the new memory manager | 08:04 |
bryce | tjaalton: so sounds like we're going to have to leave compiz disabled for 965 again? | 08:04 |
bryce | heh, there's an entire HOWTO devoted to this combination of ViewSonic monitor and nvidia hardware. sheesh | 08:04 |
bryce | (http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-274291.html) | 08:04 |
tjaalton | bryce: maybe so yep.. | 08:04 |
mvo | meh, ok. when is the upload going to happen that switches again? | 08:05 |
tjaalton | after alpha3 | 08:05 |
mvo | ok, thanks | 08:06 |
tjaalton | bryce: I so love all these "howtos" that do silly things to the xorg.conf.. | 08:09 |
bryce | yeah no kidding | 08:09 |
tjaalton | like having six different subsections for Display | 08:09 |
bryce | I'm having this weird blanking problem with this viewsonic monitor | 08:10 |
bryce | like, for a few minutes after booting up it's fine, but then it blinks off black for a second | 08:10 |
bryce | and then a minute later, it does it again | 08:10 |
tjaalton | it happens with my benq too, so it's probably nvidia problem.. | 08:10 |
tjaalton | although it's not that frequent | 08:11 |
bryce | it keeps periodically blinking like this, until it finally goes completely black | 08:11 |
tjaalton | maybe once a day | 08:11 |
tjaalton | heh, ok | 08:11 |
bryce | no this is with my viewsonic, not the benq's. The benq's are great | 08:11 |
bryce | yeah I'm a glutton; now that I have two widescreen monitors set up, I want a third. 8-) | 08:11 |
tjaalton | hehe | 08:12 |
bryce | I think it might be the nv card. I should just get an ati to put in there | 08:12 |
* tjaalton runs for the bus -> | 08:12 | |
bryce | tjaalton: I've passed word along about the EXA issue | 08:15 |
tjaalton | bryce: nice | 08:24 |
tjaalton | 3G rocks, btw :) | 08:24 |
bryce | 3G? | 08:25 |
tjaalton | "3rd generation" of mobile modems :) | 08:25 |
bryce | ahh | 08:25 |
tjaalton | "umts" is probably the technical term | 08:26 |
bryce | I'm finding that perhaps the viewsonic issue I'm having is that it has a flaky DVI implementation. bugger. | 08:26 |
tjaalton | try with the ati | 08:27 |
bryce | I'll have to buy one; I don't have a spare that's the right interface type | 08:28 |
tjaalton | heh, ok | 08:28 |
bryce | heya seb128 | 08:28 |
seb128 | hey bryce | 08:28 |
mvo | good morning seb128 | 08:33 |
seb128 | hello mvo | 08:33 |
bryce | timo, yeah it is looking like it's an nvidia problem... it puts the monitor into EDID sleep mode, but can't wake it | 08:39 |
bryce | aha, think I fixed it | 08:52 |
tjaalton | bryce: how? | 08:55 |
bryce | I found a post that suggested this funky approach of plugging and unplugging things in a particular order. I did it, and haven't had a blank yet. | 08:56 |
bryce | http://www.munky.net/hardware/viewsonic-dvi/ | 08:56 |
bryce | sounds like the procedure results in resetting the hardware edid | 08:57 |
bryce | tjaalton: do the usb ports on your monitor's work? (next on my todo list is to play with them...) | 09:02 |
tjaalton | I'm not sure i've tried them yet | 09:04 |
tjaalton | it's just a hub, so should work | 09:04 |
tjaalton | remember to connect the cable first :) | 09:04 |
bryce | oh crap, I spoke too soon; there goes the viewsonic | 09:06 |
bryce | weird. | 09:07 |
bryce | eh, problem for another day. | 09:07 |
tjaalton | heh | 09:08 |
bryce | I had it working fine with one of my test machines - I'll have to check if that was ATI based | 09:09 |
bryce | oh wait, that was VGA | 09:09 |
bryce | ok... so probably I'll just need to find a longer vga cable or something | 09:09 |
bryce | maybe it's a heat issue. hmm | 09:22 |
bryce | nice, the usb on the monitors appears to "just work" | 09:46 |
tjaalton | yep, it's handy | 09:48 |
bryce | kinda dark, but... http://bryceharrington.org/Photos/my_desk.jpg | 09:52 |
tjaalton | ffs, I'm fed up with the nvidia "out-of-pixmem" bug.. I need to upgrade my work machine! :) | 09:53 |
tjaalton | sheesh, quite a desk you've got there | 09:55 |
tjaalton | mythtv! | 09:55 |
tjaalton | hold on, I took a picture of mine | 09:59 |
tjaalton | http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/foo/10012008044.jpg | 10:01 |
tjaalton | oh wait | 10:01 |
tjaalton | now | 10:01 |
bryce | niice | 10:02 |
tjaalton | this is from the uni | 10:03 |
bryce | yeah, I made the desk myself... http://bryceharrington.org/Photos/Woodworking/Desk/ | 10:03 |
tjaalton | oh cool, I've done loudspeakers myself :) | 10:04 |
tjaalton | quite a nice finish | 10:05 |
bryce | ugh, that took forever | 10:05 |
tjaalton | heh, I bet | 10:05 |
bryce | hmm, I wonder if you have a different model BENQ; you've got a sticker or something top center, but mine's on the top right. | 10:22 |
tjaalton | mine too | 10:25 |
bryce | night timo. http://bryceharrington.org/drupal/node/26 | 10:44 |
tjaalton | night! | 10:46 |
ubotu | New bug: #181732 in xorg (main) "[hardy][livecd] xorg configuration problems on qemu-kvm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181732 | 11:24 |
ubotu | New bug: #159750 in ubuntu "screen resolution change ignored (dup-of: 154380)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159750 | 11:25 |
ubotu | New bug: #181478 in xorg (main) "Hardy Heron Alpha 2 - GDM login screen restarts to infinitum if some process crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181478 | 11:25 |
soren | tjaalton: If you're looking at 181732, the kvm (and kernel bits) in hardy should be sufficient. | 12:35 |
tjaalton | soren: ok thanks, I'll reinstall my workstation today, and since vmware doesn't work I might just as well try kvm :) | 12:45 |
tjaalton | on top of it | 12:45 |
soren | tjaalton: Be sure to let me know if there are any problems with kvm. | 12:47 |
tjaalton | soren: sure, thanks | 12:47 |
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ubotu | New bug: #181781 in xorg (main) "Visualizations crasches X" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181781 | 14:57 |
reynaldo | hi folks, I was wondering if maybe i could use your wisdom to setup my Radeon Xpress 200M card to work in a good way with xorg's ati driver | 18:15 |
reynaldo | the fos driver | 18:15 |
reynaldo | I'm on hardy, tryied it already, problem is it ends up been _so_ slow is barely usable | 18:16 |
reynaldo | even 2D performance is unbearable | 18:16 |
reynaldo | maybe this is not a bug and there is some tweaking that should be done ? | 18:16 |
reynaldo | some tweaking I might be not aware of? | 18:17 |
reynaldo | this is a cheap gateway laptop with 2G ram and a 1.73 core duo proc | 18:17 |
reynaldo | I'd expect the fos driver to behave a lot better | 18:17 |
reynaldo | no need to be blaze speed or anything like it, but at least usable | 18:18 |
tjaalton | post the log somewhere | 18:23 |
reynaldo | xorg log ? | 18:24 |
reynaldo | ok | 18:24 |
tjaalton | yes | 18:24 |
tjaalton | pastebin etc | 18:24 |
reynaldo | tjaalton: http://www2.udec.cl/~rverdejo/Xorg.0.log | 18:26 |
tjaalton | (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled | 18:29 |
tjaalton | wonder why that is | 18:29 |
reynaldo | can I force it to be enable ? | 18:29 |
reynaldo | I'm not to good at my xorg kunfu | 18:29 |
reynaldo | too | 18:30 |
tjaalton | Option "DRI" "true" perhaps | 18:31 |
tjaalton | I need to jump off the bus soon :) | 18:31 |
reynaldo | http://paste.lisp.org/display/53967 | 18:31 |
reynaldo | tjaalton: please give me a few minutes of help :-) | 18:31 |
reynaldo | it shouldn't take long | 18:31 |
tjaalton | yeah, but I need to get off in a minute | 18:32 |
reynaldo | okie | 18:32 |
tjaalton | so 30min offline -> | 18:32 |
reynaldo | turning on DRI then | 18:32 |
reynaldo | amazing | 18:34 |
reynaldo | complete freeze at restarting gdm | 18:34 |
reynaldo | let me try restarting | 18:34 |
reynaldo | tjaalton: http://www.udec.cl/~rverdejo/Xorg.0.log | 18:38 |
reynaldo | now i get a garbled screen, mouse works and I can swithc to a vt | 18:38 |
reynaldo | other than that I cant login through gdm because I can't even see its loing dialog box | 18:39 |
reynaldo | login | 18:39 |
reynaldo | tjaalton: http://www2.udec.cl/~rverdejo/screen_garbled_with_dri_enabled_radeonXpress200M.png | 18:45 |
reynaldo | thats how it looks like | 18:45 |
reynaldo | tjaalton: you still with me ? | 18:49 |
reynaldo | tjaalton: now the computer freezed, didn't do anything other than wait | 18:51 |
reynaldo | _weird_ | 18:51 |
reynaldo | got it, the switch back to vt7 to take the picture was what freezed the laptop | 18:53 |
reynaldo | so, with dri enable xorg garbles the screen, i can switch to a vt to take a log for instance, but the minute I switch back to vt7 the laptop freezed entirely | 18:54 |
reynaldo | that would be all | 18:55 |
reynaldo | you got pictures of the garbled screen and a full log of xorg with dri enable | 18:55 |
reynaldo | im uploading the original log with dri disabled under a different name | 18:55 |
reynaldo | http://www2.udec.cl/~rverdejo/Xorg.0.log-withoutDRI | 18:56 |
reynaldo | ok, that's the original log, the one with DRI disabled, works uterly _slow_ | 18:57 |
reynaldo | almost undearable, you can almost see the redrawing | 18:57 |
tjaalton | so it's disabled for a reason :) | 18:58 |
tjaalton | try changing the driver to vesa then | 19:01 |
jcristau | vesa probably won't be any faster | 19:02 |
tjaalton | could be true | 19:02 |
reynaldo | I seem to recall i already tryied vesa with no better results but I will try it again see what happens | 19:06 |
reynaldo | propietary ati driver isn't working neither, session gets inmediately terminated | 19:07 |
tjaalton | reynaldo: did it use to be any faster with an earlier release? | 19:07 |
reynaldo | gutsy, but i had no splash screen, the whole story is that this is a brother's laptop, he wanted to try out ubuntu so while he is in town he lended it to me for me to install ubuntu on it | 19:09 |
reynaldo | gutsy worked bad. | 19:09 |
reynaldo | so.. i went hardy's way | 19:09 |
reynaldo | I have had his machine for like a week, with no pleasant results | 19:09 |
reynaldo | totally pita been honest | 19:10 |
bryce | tjaalton: some questions about dexconf in #ubuntu-devel when you have a chance | 19:10 |
tjaalton | bryce: ok | 19:10 |
reynaldo | tjaalton: i kind of forgot in gutsy the laptop didn't had sound working neithe | 19:15 |
reynaldo | r | 19:15 |
reynaldo | so going to hardy was somewhat of a given | 19:15 |
tjaalton | ok | 19:16 |
* tjaalton goes on the couch | 19:19 | |
reynaldo | :/ | 19:20 |
reynaldo | tjaalton: vesa doesn't work in the 'xserver doesn't start' sence | 19:31 |
reynaldo | I'm uploading a log | 19:31 |
reynaldo | tjaalton: http://www.udec.cl/~rverdejo/Xorg.0.log-withVESA | 19:32 |
reynaldo | just wondering, wasn't xorg with ati propietary drivers supposed to be able to use compiz and 3d stuff without xorg-xgl ? | 19:34 |
reynaldo | I recall reading something about them using aixgl | 19:35 |
bryce | tjaalton: work back from Rolla about the EXA issue: | 21:59 |
bryce | s/work/word/ | 21:59 |
bryce | Hey Bryce, | 21:59 |
bryce | Not sure what you mean specifically by "it seems that we won't get a | 21:59 |
bryce | fixed intel EXA in time for hardy". I just talked to Keith, and he said | 21:59 |
bryce | that EXA works fine with the old memory manager. | 21:59 |
bryce | He did say, however, that'll all change after Cantiga ships and we start | 21:59 |
bryce | tearing the driver apart, but that won't be 'till after Hardy. | 21:59 |
bryce | rs | 21:59 |
tjaalton | yes EXA works, but the performance sucks.. | 22:00 |
bryce | I'll send her the bug | 22:03 |
tjaalton | #177492 | 22:04 |
tjaalton | Bug #177492 | 22:04 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 177492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "EXA is balls-achingly slow" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177492 | 22:04 |
bryce | hehe | 22:04 |
bryce | also bug 148247 you mentioned yesterday | 22:05 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 148247 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Compiz not supported for G965" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148247 | 22:05 |
ubotu | New bug: #181885 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (main) "Two-finger scroll and two-finger middle click together handled poorly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181885 | 22:05 |
tjaalton | yep, she's already commented that one | 22:10 |
tjaalton | earlier | 22:10 |
tjaalton | maybe I've misunderstood, I really hope so :) | 22:13 |
bryce | tjaalton: btw, when you build packages, you don't use pbuilder, right? are you just doing debuild -i -uc -us -S ? | 22:16 |
bryce | tjaalton: btw, I've got a newer libdrm based off a git snapshot built (for UME) | 22:21 |
bryce | I wasn't planning on incorporating it for Ubuntu, but if a newer libdrm would help, we've got the newer package available | 22:22 |
tjaalton | for binaries I normally use pbuilder, unless it's just one file that's needed, then it's 'fakeroot debian/rules install' or similar :) | 22:23 |
bryce | I've been having trouble using pbuilder when building a package and a new version of its dependency | 22:24 |
bryce | in particular, libdrm for -psb | 22:24 |
tjaalton | oh right, it won't work | 22:24 |
bryce | I'm not sure how to build -psb using the new libdrm with pbuilder | 22:25 |
tjaalton | it would be hard | 22:25 |
bryce | so is debuild -i -uc -us the best approach in this case? | 22:25 |
bryce | heh | 22:25 |
bryce | yeah no kidding | 22:25 |
tjaalton | yes, if you don't need to sign them | 22:26 |
tjaalton | but what's the '-i' for? | 22:26 |
jcristau | you can do lots of stuff using pbuilder hooks, i think (don't use it though, i use a plain chroot) | 22:26 |
tjaalton | it's still icky | 22:27 |
jcristau | tjaalton: dpkg-source -i ignores VCS files when generating the diff | 22:27 |
bryce | jcristau: I did give a shot at using pbuilder hooks, but could never git it to actually notice the deps and use them | 22:27 |
tjaalton | jcristau: oh, so just having -i is enough for the most uses.. | 22:28 |
bryce | hrm, ok sounds like at least I'm not missing anything... | 22:28 |
tjaalton | hmm, now to think of it I've used -i".git" for xorg/xorg-server :P | 22:29 |
tjaalton | or -I".git" | 22:29 |
tjaalton | so the regex is probably not needed | 22:29 |
jcristau | it was before dpkg-dev knew about git :) | 22:30 |
tjaalton | heh, seems that it was done long ago :) | 22:34 |
bryce | tjaalton: for this bug, aside from the performance issue, did we get rid of that dvd playback issue by going to EXA? | 22:35 |
tjaalton | bryce: hmm, I don't remember that one.. | 22:35 |
bryce | "XV does not play with XAA under compiz, only with EXA" - http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist | 22:35 |
bryce | it's mentioned in the OP of 148247 so I'm curious if going to XAA would reopen that issue | 22:36 |
tjaalton | I guess so, yes | 22:36 |
tjaalton | I'll test on my laptop.. | 22:36 |
tjaalton | not that it has a dvd-drive.. or any drive for that matter :) | 22:37 |
tjaalton | (besides hd) | 22:38 |
tjaalton | right, Xv doesn't work | 22:41 |
bryce | rats | 22:41 |
tjaalton | but you can disable it | 22:41 |
tjaalton | from gstreamer-properties | 22:41 |
bryce | is that with EXA or XAA? | 22:41 |
tjaalton | XAA | 22:41 |
bryce | right, are you able to confirm that it does work with EXA? | 22:42 |
tjaalton | in a minute | 22:42 |
tjaalton | yep, works | 22:44 |
bryce | ok thanks | 22:44 |
bryce | I finally got libdrm and -psb built for Hardy... now to try getting them built on Gutsy... hrm | 23:16 |
tjaalton | heh | 23:16 |
bryce | for some reason in -psb it's refusing to build some of its files | 23:17 |
bryce | ah my bad; unclean build tree. | 23:26 |
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