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brycetjaalton: these BenQ's are sweeeeeet :-)05:33
tjaaltonbryce: yep :)07:17
tjaaltonbryce: I don't know if you noticed airlied's reply to my question about intel, but it seems that we won't get a fixed intel EXA in time for hardy :/07:18
tjaaltonso the performance will continue to suck, unless we switch back to XAA07:20
tjaaltonaha, Zhenyu Wang from intel confirmed that it will require TTM, so it's a no-go then :(07:22
tjaaltonfreedesktop bug 1338907:22
tjaaltonbah, no ubotu07:22
tjaaltonhttp://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1338907:22
brycehrm07:23
bryceE_TOOMUCHSUCKAGE07:23
brycesorry, I'm fussing with my viewsonic monitor and it's acting screwy07:30
tjaaltonbryce: I reopened the "no compiz on 965" bug..08:00
tjaaltonsince there is no viable option to switching back to XAA08:01
mvotjaalton: what bugnumber is that?08:02
tjaaltonmvo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/14824708:03
tjaaltonno ubotu here :)08:03
brycetjaalton: yeah...08:03
tjaaltonmvo: to make EXA performance better it would need the new memory manager08:04
brycetjaalton: so sounds like we're going to have to leave compiz disabled for 965 again?08:04
bryceheh, there's an entire HOWTO devoted to this combination of ViewSonic monitor and nvidia hardware.  sheesh08:04
bryce(http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-274291.html)08:04
tjaaltonbryce: maybe so yep..08:04
mvomeh, ok. when is the upload going to happen that switches again?08:05
tjaaltonafter alpha308:05
mvook, thanks08:06
tjaaltonbryce: I so love all these "howtos" that do silly things to the xorg.conf..08:09
bryceyeah no kidding08:09
tjaaltonlike having six different subsections for Display08:09
bryceI'm having this weird blanking problem with this viewsonic monitor08:10
brycelike, for a few minutes after booting up it's fine, but then it blinks off black for a second08:10
bryceand then a minute later, it does it again08:10
tjaaltonit happens with my benq too, so it's probably nvidia problem..08:10
tjaaltonalthough it's not that frequent08:11
bryceit keeps periodically blinking like this, until it finally goes completely black08:11
tjaaltonmaybe once a day08:11
tjaaltonheh, ok08:11
bryceno this is with my viewsonic, not the benq's.  The benq's are great08:11
bryceyeah I'm a glutton; now that I have two widescreen monitors set up, I want a third.  8-)08:11
tjaaltonhehe08:12
bryceI think it might be the nv card.  I should just get an ati to put in there08:12
* tjaalton runs for the bus ->08:12
brycetjaalton: I've passed word along about the EXA issue08:15
tjaaltonbryce: nice08:24
tjaalton3G rocks, btw :)08:24
bryce3G?08:25
tjaalton"3rd generation" of mobile modems :)08:25
bryceahh08:25
tjaalton"umts" is probably the technical term08:26
bryceI'm finding that perhaps the viewsonic issue I'm having is that it has a flaky DVI implementation.  bugger.08:26
tjaaltontry with the ati08:27
bryceI'll have to buy one; I don't have a spare that's the right interface type08:28
tjaaltonheh, ok08:28
bryceheya seb12808:28
seb128hey bryce08:28
mvogood morning seb12808:33
seb128hello mvo08:33
brycetimo, yeah it is looking like it's an nvidia problem...  it puts the monitor into EDID sleep mode, but can't wake it08:39
bryceaha, think I fixed it08:52
tjaaltonbryce: how?08:55
bryceI found a post that suggested this funky approach of plugging and unplugging things in a particular order.  I did it, and haven't had a blank yet.08:56
brycehttp://www.munky.net/hardware/viewsonic-dvi/08:56
brycesounds like the procedure results in resetting the hardware edid08:57
brycetjaalton: do the usb ports on your monitor's work?  (next on my todo list is to play with them...)09:02
tjaaltonI'm not sure i've tried them yet09:04
tjaaltonit's just a hub, so should work09:04
tjaaltonremember to connect the cable first :)09:04
bryceoh crap, I spoke too soon; there goes the viewsonic09:06
bryceweird.09:07
bryceeh, problem for another day.09:07
tjaaltonheh09:08
bryceI had it working fine with one of my test machines - I'll have to check if that was ATI based09:09
bryceoh wait, that was VGA09:09
bryceok... so probably I'll just need to find a longer vga cable or something09:09
brycemaybe it's a heat issue.  hmm09:22
brycenice, the usb on the monitors appears to "just work"09:46
tjaaltonyep, it's handy09:48
brycekinda dark, but... http://bryceharrington.org/Photos/my_desk.jpg09:52
tjaaltonffs, I'm fed up with the nvidia "out-of-pixmem" bug.. I need to upgrade my work machine! :)09:53
tjaaltonsheesh, quite a desk you've got there09:55
tjaaltonmythtv!09:55
tjaaltonhold on, I took a picture of mine09:59
tjaaltonhttp://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/foo/10012008044.jpg10:01
tjaaltonoh wait10:01
tjaaltonnow10:01
bryceniice10:02
tjaaltonthis is from the uni10:03
bryceyeah, I made the desk myself...  http://bryceharrington.org/Photos/Woodworking/Desk/10:03
tjaaltonoh cool, I've done loudspeakers myself :)10:04
tjaaltonquite a nice finish10:05
bryceugh, that took forever10:05
tjaaltonheh, I bet10:05
brycehmm, I wonder if you have a different model BENQ; you've got a sticker or something top center, but mine's on the top right.10:22
tjaaltonmine too10:25
brycenight timo.  http://bryceharrington.org/drupal/node/2610:44
tjaaltonnight!10:46
ubotuNew bug: #181732 in xorg (main) "[hardy][livecd] xorg configuration problems on qemu-kvm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18173211:24
ubotuNew bug: #159750 in ubuntu "screen resolution change ignored (dup-of: 154380)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15975011:25
ubotuNew bug: #181478 in xorg (main) "Hardy Heron Alpha 2 - GDM login screen restarts to infinitum if some process crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18147811:25
sorentjaalton: If you're looking at 181732, the kvm (and kernel bits) in hardy should be sufficient.12:35
tjaaltonsoren: ok thanks, I'll reinstall my workstation today, and since vmware doesn't work I might just as well try kvm :)12:45
tjaaltonon top of it12:45
sorentjaalton: Be sure to let me know if there are any problems with kvm.12:47
tjaaltonsoren: sure, thanks12:47
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ubotuNew bug: #181781 in xorg (main) "Visualizations crasches X" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18178114:57
reynaldohi folks, I was wondering if maybe i could use your wisdom to setup my Radeon Xpress 200M card to work in a good way with xorg's ati driver18:15
reynaldothe fos driver18:15
reynaldoI'm on hardy, tryied it already, problem is it ends up been _so_ slow is barely usable18:16
reynaldoeven 2D performance is unbearable18:16
reynaldomaybe this is not a bug and there is some tweaking that should be done ?18:16
reynaldosome tweaking I might be not aware of?18:17
reynaldothis is a cheap gateway laptop with 2G ram and a 1.73 core duo proc18:17
reynaldoI'd expect the fos driver to behave a lot better18:17
reynaldono need to be blaze speed or anything like it, but at least usable18:18
tjaaltonpost the log somewhere18:23
reynaldoxorg log ?18:24
reynaldook18:24
tjaaltonyes18:24
tjaaltonpastebin etc18:24
reynaldotjaalton: http://www2.udec.cl/~rverdejo/Xorg.0.log18:26
tjaalton(WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled18:29
tjaaltonwonder why that is18:29
reynaldocan I force it to be enable ?18:29
reynaldoI'm not to good at my xorg kunfu18:29
reynaldotoo18:30
tjaaltonOption "DRI" "true" perhaps18:31
tjaaltonI need to jump off the bus soon :)18:31
reynaldohttp://paste.lisp.org/display/5396718:31
reynaldotjaalton: please give me a few minutes of help :-)18:31
reynaldoit shouldn't take long18:31
tjaaltonyeah, but I need to get off in a minute18:32
reynaldookie18:32
tjaaltonso 30min offline ->18:32
reynaldoturning on DRI then18:32
reynaldoamazing18:34
reynaldocomplete freeze at restarting gdm18:34
reynaldolet me try restarting18:34
reynaldotjaalton: http://www.udec.cl/~rverdejo/Xorg.0.log18:38
reynaldonow i get a garbled screen, mouse works and I can swithc to a vt18:38
reynaldoother than that I cant login through gdm because I can't even see its loing dialog box18:39
reynaldologin18:39
reynaldotjaalton: http://www2.udec.cl/~rverdejo/screen_garbled_with_dri_enabled_radeonXpress200M.png18:45
reynaldothats how it looks like18:45
reynaldotjaalton: you still with me ?18:49
reynaldotjaalton: now the computer freezed, didn't do anything other than wait18:51
reynaldo_weird_18:51
reynaldogot it, the switch back to vt7 to take the picture was what freezed the laptop18:53
reynaldoso, with dri enable xorg garbles the screen, i can switch to a vt to take a log for instance, but the minute I switch back to vt7 the laptop freezed entirely18:54
reynaldothat would be all18:55
reynaldoyou got pictures of the garbled screen and a full log of xorg with dri enable18:55
reynaldoim uploading the original log with dri disabled under a different name18:55
reynaldohttp://www2.udec.cl/~rverdejo/Xorg.0.log-withoutDRI18:56
reynaldook, that's the original log, the one with DRI disabled, works uterly _slow_18:57
reynaldoalmost undearable, you can almost see the redrawing18:57
tjaaltonso it's disabled for a reason :)18:58
tjaaltontry changing the driver to vesa then19:01
jcristauvesa probably won't be any faster19:02
tjaaltoncould be true19:02
reynaldoI seem to recall i already tryied vesa with no better results but I will try it again see what happens19:06
reynaldopropietary ati driver isn't working neither, session gets inmediately terminated19:07
tjaaltonreynaldo: did it use to be any faster with an earlier release?19:07
reynaldogutsy, but i had no splash screen, the whole story is that this is a brother's laptop, he wanted to try out ubuntu so while he is in town he lended it to me for me to install ubuntu on it19:09
reynaldogutsy worked bad.19:09
reynaldoso.. i went hardy's way19:09
reynaldoI have had his machine for like a week, with no pleasant results19:09
reynaldototally pita been honest19:10
brycetjaalton: some questions about dexconf in #ubuntu-devel when you have a chance19:10
tjaaltonbryce: ok19:10
reynaldotjaalton: i kind of forgot in gutsy the laptop didn't had sound working neithe19:15
reynaldor19:15
reynaldoso going to hardy was somewhat of a given19:15
tjaaltonok19:16
* tjaalton goes on the couch19:19
reynaldo:/19:20
reynaldotjaalton: vesa doesn't work in the 'xserver doesn't start' sence19:31
reynaldoI'm uploading a log19:31
reynaldotjaalton: http://www.udec.cl/~rverdejo/Xorg.0.log-withVESA19:32
reynaldojust wondering, wasn't xorg with ati propietary drivers supposed to be able to use compiz and 3d stuff without xorg-xgl ?19:34
reynaldoI recall reading something about them using aixgl19:35
brycetjaalton: work back from Rolla about the EXA issue:21:59
bryces/work/word/21:59
bryceHey Bryce,21:59
bryceNot sure what you mean specifically by "it seems that we won't get a21:59
brycefixed intel EXA in time for hardy".  I just talked to Keith, and he said21:59
brycethat EXA works fine with the old memory manager.21:59
bryceHe did say, however, that'll all change after Cantiga ships and we start21:59
brycetearing the driver apart, but that won't be 'till after Hardy.21:59
brycers21:59
tjaaltonyes EXA works, but the performance sucks..22:00
bryceI'll send her the bug22:03
tjaalton#17749222:04
tjaaltonBug #17749222:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 177492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "EXA is balls-achingly slow" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17749222:04
brycehehe22:04
brycealso bug 148247 you mentioned yesterday22:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 148247 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Compiz not supported for G965" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14824722:05
ubotuNew bug: #181885 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (main) "Two-finger scroll and two-finger middle click together handled poorly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18188522:05
tjaaltonyep, she's already commented that one22:10
tjaaltonearlier22:10
tjaaltonmaybe I've misunderstood, I really hope so :)22:13
brycetjaalton: btw, when you build packages, you don't use pbuilder, right?  are you just doing debuild -i -uc -us -S ?22:16
brycetjaalton: btw, I've got a newer libdrm based off a git snapshot built (for UME)22:21
bryceI wasn't planning on incorporating it for Ubuntu, but if a newer libdrm would help, we've got the newer package available22:22
tjaaltonfor binaries I normally use pbuilder, unless it's just one file that's needed, then it's 'fakeroot debian/rules install' or similar :)22:23
bryceI've been having trouble using pbuilder when building a package and a new version of its dependency22:24
brycein particular, libdrm for -psb22:24
tjaaltonoh right, it won't work22:24
bryceI'm not sure how to build -psb using the new libdrm with pbuilder 22:25
tjaaltonit would be hard22:25
bryceso is debuild -i -uc -us the best approach in this case?22:25
bryceheh22:25
bryceyeah no kidding22:25
tjaaltonyes, if you don't need to sign them22:26
tjaaltonbut what's the '-i' for?22:26
jcristauyou can do lots of stuff using pbuilder hooks, i think (don't use it though, i use a plain chroot)22:26
tjaaltonit's still icky22:27
jcristautjaalton: dpkg-source -i ignores VCS files when generating the diff22:27
brycejcristau: I did give a shot at using pbuilder hooks, but could never git it to actually notice the deps and use them22:27
tjaaltonjcristau: oh, so just having -i is enough for the most uses..22:28
brycehrm, ok sounds like at least I'm not missing anything... 22:28
tjaaltonhmm, now to think of it I've used -i".git" for xorg/xorg-server :P22:29
tjaaltonor -I".git"22:29
tjaaltonso the regex is probably not needed22:29
jcristauit was before dpkg-dev knew about git :)22:30
tjaaltonheh, seems that it was done long ago :)22:34
brycetjaalton: for this bug, aside from the performance issue, did we get rid of that dvd playback issue by going to EXA?22:35
tjaaltonbryce: hmm, I don't remember that one..22:35
bryce"XV does not play with XAA under compiz, only with EXA" - http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist22:35
bryceit's mentioned in the OP of 148247 so I'm curious if going to XAA would reopen that issue22:36
tjaaltonI guess so, yes22:36
tjaaltonI'll test on my laptop..22:36
tjaaltonnot that it has a dvd-drive.. or any drive for that matter :)22:37
tjaalton(besides hd)22:38
tjaaltonright, Xv doesn't work22:41
brycerats22:41
tjaaltonbut you can disable it22:41
tjaaltonfrom gstreamer-properties22:41
bryceis that with EXA or XAA?22:41
tjaaltonXAA22:41
bryceright, are you able to confirm that it does work with EXA?22:42
tjaaltonin a minute22:42
tjaaltonyep, works22:44
bryceok thanks22:44
bryceI finally got libdrm and -psb built for Hardy...  now to try getting them built on Gutsy... hrm23:16
tjaaltonheh23:16
brycefor some reason in -psb it's refusing to build some of its files23:17
bryceah my bad; unclean build tree.23:26

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