[05:33] <bryce> tjaalton: these BenQ's are sweeeeeet :-)
[07:17] <tjaalton> bryce: yep :)
[07:18] <tjaalton> bryce: I don't know if you noticed airlied's reply to my question about intel, but it seems that we won't get a fixed intel EXA in time for hardy :/
[07:20] <tjaalton> so the performance will continue to suck, unless we switch back to XAA
[07:22] <tjaalton> aha, Zhenyu Wang from intel confirmed that it will require TTM, so it's a no-go then :(
[07:22] <tjaalton> freedesktop bug 13389
[07:22] <tjaalton> bah, no ubotu
[07:22] <tjaalton> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13389
[07:23] <bryce> hrm
[07:23] <bryce> E_TOOMUCHSUCKAGE
[07:30] <bryce> sorry, I'm fussing with my viewsonic monitor and it's acting screwy
[08:00] <tjaalton> bryce: I reopened the "no compiz on 965" bug..
[08:01] <tjaalton> since there is no viable option to switching back to XAA
[08:02] <mvo> tjaalton: what bugnumber is that?
[08:03] <tjaalton> mvo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/148247
[08:03] <tjaalton> no ubotu here :)
[08:03] <bryce> tjaalton: yeah...
[08:04] <tjaalton> mvo: to make EXA performance better it would need the new memory manager
[08:04] <bryce> tjaalton: so sounds like we're going to have to leave compiz disabled for 965 again?
[08:04] <bryce> heh, there's an entire HOWTO devoted to this combination of ViewSonic monitor and nvidia hardware.  sheesh
[08:04] <bryce> (http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-274291.html)
[08:04] <tjaalton> bryce: maybe so yep..
[08:05] <mvo> meh, ok. when is the upload going to happen that switches again?
[08:05] <tjaalton> after alpha3
[08:06] <mvo> ok, thanks
[08:09] <tjaalton> bryce: I so love all these "howtos" that do silly things to the xorg.conf..
[08:09] <bryce> yeah no kidding
[08:09] <tjaalton> like having six different subsections for Display
[08:10] <bryce> I'm having this weird blanking problem with this viewsonic monitor
[08:10] <bryce> like, for a few minutes after booting up it's fine, but then it blinks off black for a second
[08:10] <bryce> and then a minute later, it does it again
[08:10] <tjaalton> it happens with my benq too, so it's probably nvidia problem..
[08:11] <tjaalton> although it's not that frequent
[08:11] <bryce> it keeps periodically blinking like this, until it finally goes completely black
[08:11] <tjaalton> maybe once a day
[08:11] <tjaalton> heh, ok
[08:11] <bryce> no this is with my viewsonic, not the benq's.  The benq's are great
[08:11] <bryce> yeah I'm a glutton; now that I have two widescreen monitors set up, I want a third.  8-)
[08:12] <tjaalton> hehe
[08:12] <bryce> I think it might be the nv card.  I should just get an ati to put in there
[08:12]  * tjaalton runs for the bus ->
[08:15] <bryce> tjaalton: I've passed word along about the EXA issue
[08:24] <tjaalton> bryce: nice
[08:24] <tjaalton> 3G rocks, btw :)
[08:25] <bryce> 3G?
[08:25] <tjaalton> "3rd generation" of mobile modems :)
[08:25] <bryce> ahh
[08:26] <tjaalton> "umts" is probably the technical term
[08:26] <bryce> I'm finding that perhaps the viewsonic issue I'm having is that it has a flaky DVI implementation.  bugger.
[08:27] <tjaalton> try with the ati
[08:28] <bryce> I'll have to buy one; I don't have a spare that's the right interface type
[08:28] <tjaalton> heh, ok
[08:28] <bryce> heya seb128
[08:28] <seb128> hey bryce
[08:33] <mvo> good morning seb128
[08:33] <seb128> hello mvo
[08:39] <bryce> timo, yeah it is looking like it's an nvidia problem...  it puts the monitor into EDID sleep mode, but can't wake it
[08:52] <bryce> aha, think I fixed it
[08:55] <tjaalton> bryce: how?
[08:56] <bryce> I found a post that suggested this funky approach of plugging and unplugging things in a particular order.  I did it, and haven't had a blank yet.
[08:56] <bryce> http://www.munky.net/hardware/viewsonic-dvi/
[08:57] <bryce> sounds like the procedure results in resetting the hardware edid
[09:02] <bryce> tjaalton: do the usb ports on your monitor's work?  (next on my todo list is to play with them...)
[09:04] <tjaalton> I'm not sure i've tried them yet
[09:04] <tjaalton> it's just a hub, so should work
[09:04] <tjaalton> remember to connect the cable first :)
[09:06] <bryce> oh crap, I spoke too soon; there goes the viewsonic
[09:07] <bryce> weird.
[09:07] <bryce> eh, problem for another day.
[09:08] <tjaalton> heh
[09:09] <bryce> I had it working fine with one of my test machines - I'll have to check if that was ATI based
[09:09] <bryce> oh wait, that was VGA
[09:09] <bryce> ok... so probably I'll just need to find a longer vga cable or something
[09:22] <bryce> maybe it's a heat issue.  hmm
[09:46] <bryce> nice, the usb on the monitors appears to "just work"
[09:48] <tjaalton> yep, it's handy
[09:52] <bryce> kinda dark, but... http://bryceharrington.org/Photos/my_desk.jpg
[09:53] <tjaalton> ffs, I'm fed up with the nvidia "out-of-pixmem" bug.. I need to upgrade my work machine! :)
[09:55] <tjaalton> sheesh, quite a desk you've got there
[09:55] <tjaalton> mythtv!
[09:59] <tjaalton> hold on, I took a picture of mine
[10:01] <tjaalton> http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/foo/10012008044.jpg
[10:01] <tjaalton> oh wait
[10:01] <tjaalton> now
[10:02] <bryce> niice
[10:03] <tjaalton> this is from the uni
[10:03] <bryce> yeah, I made the desk myself...  http://bryceharrington.org/Photos/Woodworking/Desk/
[10:04] <tjaalton> oh cool, I've done loudspeakers myself :)
[10:05] <tjaalton> quite a nice finish
[10:05] <bryce> ugh, that took forever
[10:05] <tjaalton> heh, I bet
[10:22] <bryce> hmm, I wonder if you have a different model BENQ; you've got a sticker or something top center, but mine's on the top right.
[10:25] <tjaalton> mine too
[10:44] <bryce> night timo.  http://bryceharrington.org/drupal/node/26
[10:46] <tjaalton> night!
[11:24] <ubotu> New bug: #181732 in xorg (main) "[hardy][livecd] xorg configuration problems on qemu-kvm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181732
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #159750 in ubuntu "screen resolution change ignored (dup-of: 154380)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159750
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #181478 in xorg (main) "Hardy Heron Alpha 2 - GDM login screen restarts to infinitum if some process crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181478
[12:35] <soren> tjaalton: If you're looking at 181732, the kvm (and kernel bits) in hardy should be sufficient.
[12:45] <tjaalton> soren: ok thanks, I'll reinstall my workstation today, and since vmware doesn't work I might just as well try kvm :)
[12:45] <tjaalton> on top of it
[12:47] <soren> tjaalton: Be sure to let me know if there are any problems with kvm.
[12:47] <tjaalton> soren: sure, thanks
[14:57] <ubotu> New bug: #181781 in xorg (main) "Visualizations crasches X" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181781
[18:15] <reynaldo> hi folks, I was wondering if maybe i could use your wisdom to setup my Radeon Xpress 200M card to work in a good way with xorg's ati driver
[18:15] <reynaldo> the fos driver
[18:16] <reynaldo> I'm on hardy, tryied it already, problem is it ends up been _so_ slow is barely usable
[18:16] <reynaldo> even 2D performance is unbearable
[18:16] <reynaldo> maybe this is not a bug and there is some tweaking that should be done ?
[18:17] <reynaldo> some tweaking I might be not aware of?
[18:17] <reynaldo> this is a cheap gateway laptop with 2G ram and a 1.73 core duo proc
[18:17] <reynaldo> I'd expect the fos driver to behave a lot better
[18:18] <reynaldo> no need to be blaze speed or anything like it, but at least usable
[18:23] <tjaalton> post the log somewhere
[18:24] <reynaldo> xorg log ?
[18:24] <reynaldo> ok
[18:24] <tjaalton> yes
[18:24] <tjaalton> pastebin etc
[18:26] <reynaldo> tjaalton: http://www2.udec.cl/~rverdejo/Xorg.0.log
[18:29] <tjaalton> (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled
[18:29] <tjaalton> wonder why that is
[18:29] <reynaldo> can I force it to be enable ?
[18:29] <reynaldo> I'm not to good at my xorg kunfu
[18:30] <reynaldo> too
[18:31] <tjaalton> Option "DRI" "true" perhaps
[18:31] <tjaalton> I need to jump off the bus soon :)
[18:31] <reynaldo> http://paste.lisp.org/display/53967
[18:31] <reynaldo> tjaalton: please give me a few minutes of help :-)
[18:31] <reynaldo> it shouldn't take long
[18:32] <tjaalton> yeah, but I need to get off in a minute
[18:32] <reynaldo> okie
[18:32] <tjaalton> so 30min offline ->
[18:32] <reynaldo> turning on DRI then
[18:34] <reynaldo> amazing
[18:34] <reynaldo> complete freeze at restarting gdm
[18:34] <reynaldo> let me try restarting
[18:38] <reynaldo> tjaalton: http://www.udec.cl/~rverdejo/Xorg.0.log
[18:38] <reynaldo> now i get a garbled screen, mouse works and I can swithc to a vt
[18:39] <reynaldo> other than that I cant login through gdm because I can't even see its loing dialog box
[18:39] <reynaldo> login
[18:45] <reynaldo> tjaalton: http://www2.udec.cl/~rverdejo/screen_garbled_with_dri_enabled_radeonXpress200M.png
[18:45] <reynaldo> thats how it looks like
[18:49] <reynaldo> tjaalton: you still with me ?
[18:51] <reynaldo> tjaalton: now the computer freezed, didn't do anything other than wait
[18:51] <reynaldo> _weird_
[18:53] <reynaldo> got it, the switch back to vt7 to take the picture was what freezed the laptop
[18:54] <reynaldo> so, with dri enable xorg garbles the screen, i can switch to a vt to take a log for instance, but the minute I switch back to vt7 the laptop freezed entirely
[18:55] <reynaldo> that would be all
[18:55] <reynaldo> you got pictures of the garbled screen and a full log of xorg with dri enable
[18:55] <reynaldo> im uploading the original log with dri disabled under a different name
[18:56] <reynaldo> http://www2.udec.cl/~rverdejo/Xorg.0.log-withoutDRI
[18:57] <reynaldo> ok, that's the original log, the one with DRI disabled, works uterly _slow_
[18:57] <reynaldo> almost undearable, you can almost see the redrawing
[18:58] <tjaalton> so it's disabled for a reason :)
[19:01] <tjaalton> try changing the driver to vesa then
[19:02] <jcristau> vesa probably won't be any faster
[19:02] <tjaalton> could be true
[19:06] <reynaldo> I seem to recall i already tryied vesa with no better results but I will try it again see what happens
[19:07] <reynaldo> propietary ati driver isn't working neither, session gets inmediately terminated
[19:07] <tjaalton> reynaldo: did it use to be any faster with an earlier release?
[19:09] <reynaldo> gutsy, but i had no splash screen, the whole story is that this is a brother's laptop, he wanted to try out ubuntu so while he is in town he lended it to me for me to install ubuntu on it
[19:09] <reynaldo> gutsy worked bad.
[19:09] <reynaldo> so.. i went hardy's way
[19:09] <reynaldo> I have had his machine for like a week, with no pleasant results
[19:10] <reynaldo> totally pita been honest
[19:10] <bryce> tjaalton: some questions about dexconf in #ubuntu-devel when you have a chance
[19:10] <tjaalton> bryce: ok
[19:15] <reynaldo> tjaalton: i kind of forgot in gutsy the laptop didn't had sound working neithe
[19:15] <reynaldo> r
[19:15] <reynaldo> so going to hardy was somewhat of a given
[19:16] <tjaalton> ok
[19:19]  * tjaalton goes on the couch
[19:20] <reynaldo> :/
[19:31] <reynaldo> tjaalton: vesa doesn't work in the 'xserver doesn't start' sence
[19:31] <reynaldo> I'm uploading a log
[19:32] <reynaldo> tjaalton: http://www.udec.cl/~rverdejo/Xorg.0.log-withVESA
[19:34] <reynaldo> just wondering, wasn't xorg with ati propietary drivers supposed to be able to use compiz and 3d stuff without xorg-xgl ?
[19:35] <reynaldo> I recall reading something about them using aixgl
[21:59] <bryce> tjaalton: work back from Rolla about the EXA issue:
[21:59] <bryce> s/work/word/
[21:59] <bryce> Hey Bryce,
[21:59] <bryce> Not sure what you mean specifically by "it seems that we won't get a
[21:59] <bryce> fixed intel EXA in time for hardy".  I just talked to Keith, and he said
[21:59] <bryce> that EXA works fine with the old memory manager.
[21:59] <bryce> He did say, however, that'll all change after Cantiga ships and we start
[21:59] <bryce> tearing the driver apart, but that won't be 'till after Hardy.
[21:59] <bryce> rs
[22:00] <tjaalton> yes EXA works, but the performance sucks..
[22:03] <bryce> I'll send her the bug
[22:04] <tjaalton> #177492
[22:04] <tjaalton> Bug #177492
[22:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "EXA is balls-achingly slow" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177492
[22:04] <bryce> hehe
[22:05] <bryce> also bug 148247 you mentioned yesterday
[22:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148247 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Compiz not supported for G965" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148247
[22:05] <ubotu> New bug: #181885 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (main) "Two-finger scroll and two-finger middle click together handled poorly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181885
[22:10] <tjaalton> yep, she's already commented that one
[22:10] <tjaalton> earlier
[22:13] <tjaalton> maybe I've misunderstood, I really hope so :)
[22:16] <bryce> tjaalton: btw, when you build packages, you don't use pbuilder, right?  are you just doing debuild -i -uc -us -S ?
[22:21] <bryce> tjaalton: btw, I've got a newer libdrm based off a git snapshot built (for UME)
[22:22] <bryce> I wasn't planning on incorporating it for Ubuntu, but if a newer libdrm would help, we've got the newer package available
[22:23] <tjaalton> for binaries I normally use pbuilder, unless it's just one file that's needed, then it's 'fakeroot debian/rules install' or similar :)
[22:24] <bryce> I've been having trouble using pbuilder when building a package and a new version of its dependency
[22:24] <bryce> in particular, libdrm for -psb
[22:24] <tjaalton> oh right, it won't work
[22:25] <bryce> I'm not sure how to build -psb using the new libdrm with pbuilder 
[22:25] <tjaalton> it would be hard
[22:25] <bryce> so is debuild -i -uc -us the best approach in this case?
[22:25] <bryce> heh
[22:25] <bryce> yeah no kidding
[22:26] <tjaalton> yes, if you don't need to sign them
[22:26] <tjaalton> but what's the '-i' for?
[22:26] <jcristau> you can do lots of stuff using pbuilder hooks, i think (don't use it though, i use a plain chroot)
[22:27] <tjaalton> it's still icky
[22:27] <jcristau> tjaalton: dpkg-source -i ignores VCS files when generating the diff
[22:27] <bryce> jcristau: I did give a shot at using pbuilder hooks, but could never git it to actually notice the deps and use them
[22:28] <tjaalton> jcristau: oh, so just having -i is enough for the most uses..
[22:28] <bryce> hrm, ok sounds like at least I'm not missing anything... 
[22:29] <tjaalton> hmm, now to think of it I've used -i".git" for xorg/xorg-server :P
[22:29] <tjaalton> or -I".git"
[22:29] <tjaalton> so the regex is probably not needed
[22:30] <jcristau> it was before dpkg-dev knew about git :)
[22:34] <tjaalton> heh, seems that it was done long ago :)
[22:35] <bryce> tjaalton: for this bug, aside from the performance issue, did we get rid of that dvd playback issue by going to EXA?
[22:35] <tjaalton> bryce: hmm, I don't remember that one..
[22:35] <bryce> "XV does not play with XAA under compiz, only with EXA" - http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist
[22:36] <bryce> it's mentioned in the OP of 148247 so I'm curious if going to XAA would reopen that issue
[22:36] <tjaalton> I guess so, yes
[22:36] <tjaalton> I'll test on my laptop..
[22:37] <tjaalton> not that it has a dvd-drive.. or any drive for that matter :)
[22:38] <tjaalton> (besides hd)
[22:41] <tjaalton> right, Xv doesn't work
[22:41] <bryce> rats
[22:41] <tjaalton> but you can disable it
[22:41] <tjaalton> from gstreamer-properties
[22:41] <bryce> is that with EXA or XAA?
[22:41] <tjaalton> XAA
[22:42] <bryce> right, are you able to confirm that it does work with EXA?
[22:42] <tjaalton> in a minute
[22:44] <tjaalton> yep, works
[22:44] <bryce> ok thanks
[23:16] <bryce> I finally got libdrm and -psb built for Hardy...  now to try getting them built on Gutsy... hrm
[23:16] <tjaalton> heh
[23:17] <bryce> for some reason in -psb it's refusing to build some of its files
[23:26] <bryce> ah my bad; unclean build tree.