[00:41] anyone get an ebox-2300sx to work with ltsp? [00:42] this device is killing me. no math co-processor.. no amount of kernels seems to work. [00:44] wow...back to the 386-sx days! no math coprocessor....WHY GOD, WHY?! [00:44] :( [00:44] and i always wondered what the SX-2 series was supposed to be....twice the non-existent math co processor?? [00:45] double the clock speed? [00:46] I'm not happy that I may have 50 paper weights and 0 thin-clients. [00:46] you should have gotten 1 and tested it.... ? [00:46] the 2300 (non SX) tested fine. [00:46] but yes [00:47] never used an ebox myself === gnomefre2k is now known as gnomefreak [04:26] how can I get gcompriz to go full screen so that gnome panels are not in the way? [04:26] gcompris [04:38] add the lil sliders to the panel so you can hide them [04:39] that's about the best you can do until the app itself does it [04:43] ok, thanks, was hoping for a bit easier way for my kindergarten students, but guess I'll just have to put up with it for now ;) [04:43] well submit a feature request to run it full screen [04:43] but if that's the only app you're using.. you could make the session run it full screen [04:43] and not have gnome loaded at all [04:43] well, it does have a full screen option, it just doesn't seem to work for me [04:44] sounds like a bug [04:44] you're gonna have to talk to them [04:44] i guess [04:44] ok, thanks [07:30] johnny: gcompris can full screen [07:32] yeah.. he just said it didn't work [08:14] Hi I wonder if someone can help me. I'm 12 years old and have installed edubuntu on a laptop. If I can get it working, then I can use the laptop. However I'm stuck. if I enable the restricted driver, I get composite extension not available. if I disable it, I get desktop effects could be enabled...can someone please offer some help? as the forums seem to ask you to do one or the other [08:14] and as i've done both, I seem to be stuck between 2 errors [08:14] it's edubuntu 7.10 [08:15] or is there a better channel to ask the question in? [08:19] your hardware might not support the special graphics [08:19] if an intel video card [08:19] you might ask in #ubuntu [08:19] gotta run === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd [09:13] hey Harrison___ [09:14] Harrison___: do you perhaps know which display card is in the laptop? let us know if you get it working, please. [09:26] hi! i've created a file to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ which works as a login script. but any ideas of where i should put corresponding logout script?? [09:54] highvoltage [09:55] wtf is with that facebook invie [09:55] "Jonathan wants to know your true sexuality" [09:56] * RichEd winks at jsgotangco [09:56] haha [10:15] jsgotangco: heh, it was a stupid test and you had to invite 20 people to get the answer :) [10:15] haha [10:15] facebook wasteland [10:15] jsgotangco: safe to ignore and there was no any added meaning to it [10:15] nahhh [10:16] everything in facebook is dumb anyways [10:16] I want to try to avoid facebook, but it is evil. like IRC. [10:16] and now I've kind of been sucked in by twitter and wikia too [10:16] twitter is ok [10:16] twitter doesn't have all these dumb "apps", at least. [10:17] add me heh [10:17] JeromeGotangco [10:17] ok [10:56] jsgotangco & highvoltage: i did not check my own personal facebook profile for 2 weeks over xmas [10:56] when i went back ... i did not even recognise it ... a viral explosion of apps, and messages telling me who had just wiped their bum, and who's dog was feeling depressed [10:56] like i really need that in my life :/ [10:57] yeah [10:57] don't ever install x poke and that silly stuff! [11:31] Riddell: hehe [11:31] ugh, sorry again, I meant RichEd [12:39] what kind of DSL connections do you guys have at home these days? [13:05] * ogra has 2M symmetrical here [13:07] anyone alive? [13:11] graphics card is an ati radeon xpress 200m does this support desktop effects, it is supported by the restricted driver [14:07] Anyone know how to manage users in edubuntu? [14:10] joe__: same as ubuntu ... have you looked for help on help.ubuntu ? or the wiki ? [14:10] Hmm... I think I just need to keep playing. [14:10] I find users created on the server do no propagate to the clients. [14:11] there are no users on clients [14:11] will 7.10 clients work on 7.04 server? [14:11] (teh client sessions run on the server, the server needs the users ) [14:11] no [14:11] hmm. [14:12] the whole design of servige the rootfs has changed between 7.04 and 7.10 [14:12] *serving [14:12] cool. [14:13] I am trying to get this elementary school lab running (the guy who set it up is gone) [14:13] some are edubuntu, some are ubuntu, all seem to be connected to the server. [14:21] hey guys :) i suspect some people in here are using diskless clients. i'd like to add support for diskless clients to mythbuntu but i'm encountering an odd issue: no matter what i do, nfsmount inside the initramfs will always mount the root share read-only. is that normal behavior? [14:25] Hey guys -- is it possible to run a lab with *some* clients diskless and others not? [14:25] laga, yes [14:26] ogra: do you know why that happens? [14:28] laga, thats the dsign :) the clients boot with the writable bits in tmp ... its a security thing since theer is nothing running on the client thats not actually needed to connect to the server and execute a session there [14:29] s/in tmp/in a tmpfs/ [14:29] sorry [14:29] the clients have no users or anything, all tehy do is boot into a login manager that then starts an ssh session to the server where it executes a session [14:29] ogra: from what i've read in the ubuntu wiki, that's your (edubuntu) design. however, the initramfs script provide the facilities to mount the nfs root writeable. [14:30] right [14:30] but i wouldnt suggest that [14:30] ogra: i will not use your scripts (sorry if i made it sound like that), i was just wondering if anyone has made experiencies similar to mine [14:30] there are many files that get changed at every boot [14:30] ogra: i'll be using unionfs with that, no worries. [14:30] if you have more than one client it will break [14:30] we use unionfs [14:31] my problem actually is that i can't mount any shares rw in initramfs. but the root share would be a good start. :) [14:31] (we dont use nfs anymore since gutsy since that had massive speed probelms) [14:31] you dont want root to be writable trust me :) [14:31] yes, you use unionfs in gutsy. with nbd and squashfs, which is a really nifty approach :) just discovered that a few minutes ago [14:31] you can create an fstab in the squashfs image to mount diffferent shares easily [14:32] ogra: i do not want root to be writeable. i just want to be able to mount a nfs share rw. [14:32] i'd rather suggest that [14:32] right [14:32] make sure nfs-common is installed in the image [14:33] (its not in the default ubuntu bootstrap selection anymore, so not installed on thin clients) [14:34] thanks, but i don't want to use squashfs. :) i was just wondering if anyone was unable to mount nfs shares rw in the initramfs that comes with ubuntu. [14:34] everyone [14:34] (as i explained above, no nfs client bits are in the image) [14:35] your mileage will vary if you want to use ltsp without squashfs though [14:36] its what we default to since a while [14:38] thanks. [14:38] and the old nfs chroot might go away in hardy, not sure yet [14:38] we currently keep it for easier maintenance of the image [14:38] i should have made it clearer that i didn't even want to use ltsp in the first place :) [14:38] but there is an image shell that makes it possible to drop the 400M of cruft [14:39] well, it would be cool if you could integrate it in ltsp :) [14:39] i was planning a myth mode myself since quite some time .... given that its likely only a five line pulgin that would be needed it shoudl be fairly easy [14:39] yes, but we need fat clients :) [14:40] why ? [14:40] you need a player and a frontend to the db server, no ? [14:40] (at least thats how i always understood mythtv) [14:40] back then, a few years ago, i wanted to add mythfrontend to LBE. i failed horribly. :) [14:40] which means two additional package to install and probably some tweaks to the ltsp defaults [14:40] ogra: mythfrontend ( = player software) needs to be run as local app. [14:41] right [14:41] so you should actually be able to just install the mythfrontend package in the chroot and thats it [14:41] have you ever looked at ltsp plugins ? [14:41] how do you run local apps in ltsp these days? back then, you had to do ssh magic [14:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins [14:42] we dont have localapp support ready yet for ltsp5 [14:43] but the approach is to use xatoms and on the session side some xdg overlays [14:43] ldm makes that pretty easy [14:43] since we just need to send the data through the ssh tunnel ... [14:44] excuse my ignorance. what does "ldm" stand for? [14:45] ltsp display manager [14:45] the login manager used in ltsp5 [14:45] (we dont do xdmcp anymore) [14:46] ah [14:46] ldm by default does: ssh -X user@server /etc/X11/Xsession [14:47] it also has a mode that omits -X and sets DISPLAY to the clients display .... so you keep ssh password handling while having the speed of old XDMCP sessions [14:48] anyway, have a look at the kiosk plugin described on that wikipage ... its running a local firefox (teh code is buggy though, its just a rought example) ... seems similar to what you want [14:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPFatClients?highlight=%28ltsp%29 <- i suppose this has not been implemented yet? [14:49] (replace ff with your mythfrontend, add nfs-common to the chroot ... [14:49] nope [14:49] sad [14:49] it depends on a network auth mechanism we dotn have [14:50] with the new squashfs/unionfs architecture it should be trivial though [14:50] (to do it yourself) [14:50] true [14:51] how big is such a squashfs image compressed/uncompressed? i kinda liked the idea of using the server's / [14:51] the nfs implementation would have been tricky though .... sicne nfs and unionfs in ubuntu dont like each ther you would ave to do a lot of bind mounting etc [14:51] (read-only, of course. i'm not insane :)) [14:52] -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 158M 2007-12-29 17:47 i386.img [14:52] oh, what's the matter with nfs and unionfs? i know there's some special handling for nfs in unionfs but i think i've read it's not necessary anymore in recent kernels [14:52] sounds sensible [14:52] although we probably have to add 100M (uncompressed) for mythtv [14:52] well, it didnt work in gutsy, nfs/unionfs just broke back then [14:53] since we stepped away from insecure nfs completely in ltsp upstream i didnt look since gutsy started [14:53] unionfs was broken badly earlier in gutsy but it's been working fine since the release [14:54] not to mention that nfs is about 5X slower in booting than the nbd/squashfs/unionfs combo [14:55] how long does it take your clients to boot into X? [14:57] 50-70sec depending on the client (nothing faster than 1GHz here, max 128M) [14:58] sounds good enough. [14:58] with nfs that went above 2min for some [14:59] i'd expect that more RAM would speed that up a bit. and running a mythtv frontend in 128M is silly (yet i do it and wit works reasonably well) [14:59] yeah, 256 would be minimum i guess [15:00] 512M would be better. DDRII-RAM is cheap enough if you buy a new box. [15:03] ogra: you almost convinced me. :) i suppose i could ask one last question: do i _need_ a dhcp server? many epople will already have SoHo-routers with their own dhcpds. for our first attempt at netbooting in mythbuntu 8.04, i was just going to create a simple script which created a bootable usb pen drive/CD-ROM where the bootloader would pass all necessary options like nfsroot=10.0.0.1:/ and ip=dhcp. would that still be possible with ltsp? [15:04] you need a dhcp server to hand out the boot info [15:04] ltsp has two server packages [15:04] ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone [15:04] the latter depends on dhcpd3 [15:04] yeah, ltsp-server-standalone comes with a dhcpd. [15:04] if you dont use a local dhcpd you need to set up the other in the right way to serve the tftp info [15:05] well, tftp is just used to download kernel + initrd, right? [15:05] edubuntu uses a two NIC install by default for its server ... that way one NIC can be dhcp client at a ruter and the second serves the TC network (including a dedicated dhcpd) [15:06] let me guess: if i want to use one NIC, i need to add an IP alias to that interface? [15:07] no [15:08] if you want one NIC you need to make sure there is no other dhcpd in your network or configure that one correctly for netbooting [15:09] let's see: dhcp to tell the PXE stack to download pxelinux, pxelinux then downloads its config file and loads kernel + initrd, right? is it used for anything else? [15:11] well giving out the IP :) [15:11] but yes thats about it [15:11] ther is tftp involved in some pieces :) [15:12] ok. let me replace tftp by putting the bootloader, the kernel and the initrd on a usb pen drive. [15:13] now we just need the dhcpd. assuming i can just pass in all needed options as a boot option for the kernel/initramfs, i should be fine. [15:13] i guess i need to look at your scripts [15:13] thanks a lot, you have beena great inspiration! [15:34] ogra: just looked at your initramfs scripts. is there any reason why you're (seeminglxy) duplicating work in init-bottom/unionfs_cow and scripts/ltsp-nbd ? === jean is now known as jbrefort [18:25] Heya === juliux_ is now known as juliux