[00:01] <Riddell> Vorian: I don't see it here yet https://launchpad.net/~vorian/+archive
[00:05] <nixternal> CMake Error: Blitz_DIR is not set.  It must be set to the directory containing BlitzConfig.cmake in order to use Blitz.
[00:05] <nixternal> bah!
[00:05] <Vorian> Riddell: it's comming
[00:06] <nixternal> wth is BlitzConfig.cmake?
[00:06] <Vorian> nixternal: good luck trying to find it
[00:07] <Vorian> nixternal: http://www.nabble.com/Build-problems-and-solutions-to12359280.html
[00:10] <stdin> Riddell: wasn't kdepim-kde4 released with 4.0.0 ?
[00:10] <nixternal> argh, when did apt-file stop working :(
[00:10] <Riddell> stdin: no, not ready
[00:10] <Riddell> stdin: also no quanta or kdevelop
[00:11] <stdin> ahh, then the meta-kde4 package should remove reference to kdepim-kde4
[00:11] <Riddell> stdin: true true
[00:12] <stdin> Riddell: I'm working on -3 anyway, updating the versions required, I'll show it to you when I think it's done :)
[00:14] <Riddell> stdin: I may well be asleep in which case just upload to the ppa
[00:14] <stdin> Riddell: sure, but it should be done in a couple mins anyway
[00:14] <Vorian> Riddell: ktorrent is in pending status atm
[00:17] <danimo> re
[00:17] <xRaich[o]2x> hrmm installing kde-l10n-de makes kde4 act really weird
[00:17] <Riddell> danimo: can't sleep for the excitement either?
[00:17] <xRaich[o]2x> krunner does not start anymore
[00:17] <xRaich[o]2x> and kopete doesn't allow me to add ne accounts to my identity
[00:18] <danimo> Riddell: nah, rather trying to find very last showstoppers in the kubuntu packages
[00:19] <Tm_T> wooooooo
[00:19] <Tm_T> KDE 4.0.80 <3
[00:19] <danimo> xRaich[o]2x: yeah, adding jabber accounts makes kopete crash :(
[00:19] <Tm_T> ?
[00:19] <Tm_T> murrrr
[00:19] <xRaich[o]2x> danimo: nope not when i'm using the english locals
[00:19] <xRaich[o]2x> works fine
[00:19] <xRaich[o]2x> but
[00:20] <Tm_T> forgot to try Kopete
[00:20] <stdin> Riddell: http://www.stdin.me.uk/meta-kde4/
[00:20] <xRaich[o]2x> when i'm using the german locals and want to add new accounts there are none
[00:20] <xRaich[o]2x> no jabber, no icq, no what so ever
[00:21] <xRaich[o]2x> i hit add account and get an empty list where the protocols should show up
[00:21] <xRaich[o]2x> and pressing alt+f2 won't make the krunner widget appear
[00:21] <danimo> I just get a crash upon connect
[00:21] <xRaich[o]2x> works fine with english locals though
[00:22] <danimo> not here
[00:22] <xRaich[o]2x> weird
[00:22] <xRaich[o]2x> i did tried it for a number of times
[00:23] <xRaich[o]2x> try
[00:23] <xRaich[o]2x> without it worked fine with german locals it went bonkers
[00:24] <xRaich[o]2x> i even removed all .kde* files
[00:25] <Riddell> stdin: looks great, I'll upload to ubuntu and you can upload to the ppa
[00:25]  * nixternal kicks ligature
[00:26] <stdin> ok, sounds like a plan :)
[00:26] <Riddell> Vorian: your ktorrent is a native packages, there's no .orig file
[00:29] <Riddell> Vorian: spose I can just make one
[00:31] <nixternal> Riddell: I am seeing a problem here...I will check ktown for an updated package, but the package we have for ligature isn't the same that is in KDE SVN
[00:31] <Riddell> nixternal: ask toma
[00:32] <yuriy> anybody working on amarok 2 packages?
[00:32] <Riddell> yuriy: I don't think they want us to, apachelogger will do it when appropriate I suspect
[00:32] <yuriy> oh ok
[00:33] <stdin> I doubt they want the same treatment as kde4 got with it's alpha/RC releases, they want people to see something mostly stable
[00:34] <Nightrose> yuriy: we will have a techpreview soonish
[00:34] <Nightrose> I think apachelogger will package that
[00:34] <Nightrose> stdin: true - but we need to get something out there and then we switch to qt 4.4
[00:35] <xRaich[o]2x> Nightrose: good news :D
[00:35] <Nightrose> ;-)
[00:35] <xRaich[o]2x> told you i can't wait for the release ;)
[00:35] <Tm_T> release?
[00:35] <xRaich[o]2x> preview
[00:35] <xRaich[o]2x> whatever ^^
[00:35] <Tm_T> is that equiv to svn commit?
[00:37] <xRaich[o]2x> Nightrose: any idea when this will happen?
[00:37] <Nightrose> yea but I am not sure if I am supposed to tell
[00:37] <Riddell> Vorian: ok, uploaded, many thanks
[00:37] <Vorian> no problem
[00:37] <Vorian> Riddell: sorry about the orig.tar.gz
[00:38] <Vorian> i don't know why it didn't upload
[00:38] <xRaich[o]2x> Nightrose: ah ok i don't want to ruin the surprise ^^
[00:38] <Vorian> nixternal: I'll keep hammering away at kpov
[00:38] <Nightrose> xRaich[o]2x: hehe well - it really is apachelogger´s thing to do
[00:39] <Vorian> cd
[00:39] <Vorian> pfft
[00:39] <nixternal> Riddell: nah, my mistake on that....BlitzConfig.cmake is no longer in kdelibs, but ligature is looking for it...how do I get it to look for FindBlitz.cmake instead?
[00:39] <Riddell> nixternal: cmake is a mystery to me, try #kde4-devel
[00:39] <nixternal> k
[00:40] <Riddell> nixternal: or is it fixed in svn?
[00:40] <Tm_T> back to hacking life and kwin ->
[00:40] <xRaich[o]2x> Nightrose: ok then i'll try to be patient ^^
[00:40] <nixternal> no it isn't in SVN
[00:40] <nixternal> what I have is the same
[00:53] <Vorian> oi
[00:54] <Vorian> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51515/
[00:54] <Vorian> that's kpovmodeler
[00:55] <Riddell> Vorian: "error: freetype/config/ftheader.h: No such file or directory"
[00:55] <Riddell> looks like that file is missing
[00:55] <Vorian> yeah
[00:56] <Vorian> hmmm
[00:56] <Riddell> Vorian: packages.ubuntu.com may be able to find it
[01:09] <stdin> hmm kdesu in kde4 want's roots password :p oh well
[01:11] <Riddell> hmm, there's probably a compile option for that
[01:13] <Vorian> hmm
[01:13] <Vorian> i bet it's ftgl-dev
[01:14] <Riddell> Vorian: try libfreetype6-dev
[01:14] <Vorian> i already had that one
[01:14] <Riddell> it maybe needs a pointer to usr/include/freetype2/ somehow then
[01:15] <Vorian> hmmm
[01:21]  * stdin wonders when gnomefreak will identify ;)
[01:21] <gnomefreak> happy :)
[01:22] <gnomefreak> there much better
[01:22] <stdin> no you can kick people quicker and with more fury :D
[01:30]  * stdin gives Hobbsee a belated "Pong"
[01:30] <Hobbsee> heya!
[01:38] <Riddell> well, I think we're ready for 4.0
[01:38] <Riddell> time for some sleep before the announce
[01:39] <Vorian> :)
[01:39] <stdin> Riddell: I messed up the Depends line of kde4-devel a bit, here's the fix http://www.stdin.me.uk/diffs/meta-kde4_3.1.debdiff
[01:39] <Riddell> stdin: ok
[01:39] <stdin> in meta-kde that is
[01:40] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:40] <stdin> missing commas, I wish that lintain doesn't pick that up
[01:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: got your CD done?
[01:40] <stdin> s/doesn't/did/
[01:40] <Riddell> Hobbsee: testers welcome http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/
[01:40] <Hobbsee> woot :)
[01:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how's the hardy packages?
[01:41] <stdin> I got 4.0.0 running here on hardy now, on display :1  :D
[01:41]  * Hobbsee wonders if you still have to mangle with kdm, etc
[01:42] <stdin> I started it from kdm
[01:42] <stdin> just installed and switched user, then logged in
[01:43] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I've not tried kdm and some of the app icons are broken but otherwise they work decently
[01:43]  * Hobbsee nods
[01:43] <Hobbsee> stdin: ah right, so kdm (or gdm) picks that up now?  neat.
[01:43] <stdin> yeah, the package installs the /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop file
[01:44] <Hobbsee> woot :)
[01:44] <stdin> has done since RC2 :)
[01:46] <Hobbsee> Binary: kde-devel, kde, kde-amusements, kde-core
[01:46] <Hobbsee> i want ammusements and core, i take it?
[01:47] <Riddell> that's kde 3
[01:47] <Riddell> kde4-core
[01:48]  * Riddell snoozes
[01:48] <stdin> oh diggidy  dang, guess what kde4-* depends on: kde-core
[01:48]  * Riddell unsnoozes
[01:48] <stdin> how come no one (including me) spotted that? :p
[01:49] <stdin> ok, it was just kde4-amusements, not so bad then
[01:49] <Riddell> test before upload?  bah humbug
[01:50]  * Riddell uploads fix && snoozes
[01:51] <nixternal> ooh, Vorian found a bug in libfreetype
[01:51] <stdin> Hobbsee: if you don't want kde-core installed, you can grab kde4-core kdeedu-kde4  kdegames-kde4 and kdetoys-kde4 (that's what kde4-amusements will get)
[01:52] <nixternal> /usr/include/ft2build.h has #include <freetype/config/ftheaer.h> when it should be #include <freetype2/freetype/config/ftheader.h>
[01:52] <Hobbsee> stdin: right
[01:53] <Hobbsee> stdin: so i can basically pick my metapackages like kde3, and get a full system?
[01:53] <nixternal> holy smokes, I can do a full update and nothing wants to uninstall today...now that is love!
[01:54] <stdin> Hobbsee: that's the plan yeah, if you wanted all of it you could do "sudo apt-get install kde4" :)
[02:02] <Tm_T> mooh
[02:02] <Tm_T> stdin: I just do "cmakekdeall" :(
[02:02] <stdin> you don't have to compile with apt :)
[02:03] <Tm_T> stdin: but then it's not current trunk
[02:03] <stdin> current trunk is 4.1 isn't it?
[02:04] <Tm_T> well 4.0.80 atm
[02:04] <Tm_T> more or less
[02:04] <Tm_T> stdin: logout dialog is <3
[02:04] <stdin> is it different from 4.0.0?
[02:04] <Tm_T> IIRC yes
[02:05] <Tm_T> well atleast it's different from week or two back
[03:47] <jjesse> evening
[03:47] <stdin> morning :)
[03:47] <Jucato> noon
[03:47] <jjesse> hello stdin
[03:50] <jjesse> hello Jucato
[03:51] <stdin> I think we finally got #kubuntu under control now :)
[03:51] <Jucato> hah stick around for the official release... you're gonna be swamped :P
[03:51]  * Jucato won't be here 
[03:52] <Jucato> enjoy :D
[03:52] <stdin> I may have another 11hour nap by then :p
[03:53] <jjesse> official release is at what time utc?
[03:54] <stdin> no one knows, or at least I haven't seen a time mentioned
[03:54] <Jucato> lunch...
[03:54] <Jucato> jjesse: I heard the release will be between 00:00 and 23:59 on Jan 11, 2007
[03:55] <jjesse> nice :)
[03:55] <Jucato> no timezone indicated :)
[03:55] <stdin> no, between 00:00:00.00 and 23:59:59.99
[03:55] <Jucato> aaah sorry
[03:55] <Jucato> my sources were lacking
[03:55] <jjesse> smart a$$
[03:56] <stdin> gotta keep you ear to the ground, finger on the pulse and eat off the grape vine :)
[03:56] <jjesse> :)
[03:56] <jjesse> heading to bed i'm tired
[03:56] <Jucato> whose pulse?
[03:56] <jjesse> while i dowwnload the updates
[03:56] <Jucato> :P
[03:56] <Jucato> later
[03:56] <jjesse> night
[03:57] <stdin> the pulse of the kde devs, don't want them to die on us :p
[03:57] <stdin> night jjesse
[04:26]  * genii sips a coffee
[04:26] <genii> I can't say I'm crazy about this vista-like kmenu navigation
[04:27] <stdin> there is another menu available, like the old one
[04:27] <genii> stdin: Find it in themes or so?
[04:27] <stdin> it's a applet, so just add it to the panel and remove the old one
[04:29] <genii> stdin: OK, thanks
[04:33] <genii> stdin: Crap. How to dock it?
[04:34] <stdin> remove it from the desktop, then just drag it from the widget chooser to the panel
[04:34] <stdin> should popup by the other menu
[04:35] <genii> stdin: Heh. Thanks.
[04:35] <stdin> I don't like the new menu much either, so that's one of the 1st things I did :)
[04:36] <genii> Otherwise the standard theme/layout is nice
[04:39] <nixternal> BOOYAH@!#)@*)*#@)!)*
[04:39] <nixternal> Vorian: fixed ligature!
[04:39] <Vorian> ^5 nixternal
[04:39] <Vorian> what was it?
[04:39] <genii> Bah. The context overlay thing doesn't move with the icon it's originally attached to when you align vertical or horizontal
[04:39] <nixternal> their CMakeList.txt file was missing KDE4 REQUIRED
[04:40]  * nixternal fixes and uploads to KDE svn
[04:40] <Vorian> that's it?
[04:40] <nixternal> yup
[04:40] <Vorian> you are awesome
[04:40] <nixternal> I can't believe I didn't catch that
[04:41] <stdin> wow, kde 4.0.0 only took 107 uploads and 31 FTBFS :) not bad
[04:41] <Vorian> nice
[04:41] <Vorian> :)
[04:42] <nixternal> gotta make sure we don't have any svn freezes going on
[04:43] <Vorian> so nixternal, it would be: find_package(KDE4 REQUIRED) before blitz required?
[04:43] <nixternal> yes
[04:44] <nixternal> it is missing other things as well which I am fixing in svn
[04:44] <Vorian> nice find :)
[04:44] <Vorian> the only file in the source directory, who would have thought?  :)
[04:45] <nixternal> my god, how big is freakin' keg
[04:45] <nixternal> I feel like I am checking out kdebase
[04:45] <Vorian> a full size one?
[04:45] <nixternal> ya
[04:45] <Vorian> like 50 gal
[04:45] <nixternal> I thought I already had it, guess I didn't
[04:45] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:45] <Vorian> or something close to it
[04:45] <nixternal> you ass
[04:45] <Vorian> :)
[04:45] <nixternal> not that keg
[04:45] <nixternal> KDE Extrage Gear == keg
[04:46] <Vorian> ROFL!!!!
[04:46] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:46] <nixternal> you had me for a second
[04:46] <Vorian> :)
[04:46] <Vorian> how many extragear packages are left?
[04:46] <nixternal> are you done with yours?
[04:47] <nixternal> just kpov and lig
[04:47] <Vorian> freetype bug
[04:47] <Vorian> ah, too bad
[04:47] <nixternal> ahhh, damn I think I just ran into that as a matter of fact with ligature
[04:47] <Vorian> uh oh
[04:49] <nixternal> OK, ligature is fixed in KDE SVN now
[04:50]  * Vorian sleeps
[04:50] <Vorian> night :)
[04:55]  * genii considers asking a support question of stdin
[04:56] <stdin> fine, but ask nixternal if it's about vista :p
[04:56] <genii> heh, deal
[04:56] <genii> I'll need a bulletproof vest first though <laughing>
[05:04]  * nixternal breaks out the canon
[05:05] <genii> I guess I won't ask that burning question of how do you make ubuntu load from vista's bootloader instead of vice-a-versa then ....
[05:08] <nixternal> ahh, there is actually a howto on the wiki :)
[05:18] <genii> Bah. Did compiz --replace and had to go to terminal to kill it enough to be able to logout
[05:19] <genii> Must not take my ccsm settings from 3.5.8
[05:24] <genii> nixternal: Found that wiki page btw, thanks
[05:42] <genii> Heh some guy in #ubuntu dissing kde4
[05:42] <genii> oops #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:44] <Jucato> let him. he'll find sympathizers there...
[05:44] <Jucato> or maybe angry ops.
[05:44] <Jucato> either way, if he ever comes our way.... WHAM!
[05:44]  * genii hides the baseball bat
[05:45] <Jucato> I have other blunt objects :)
[05:45] <genii> :)
[05:46]  * ScottK isn't particularly excited about KDE4.  It doesn't include the one KDE app that is most important to me for my use.
[05:46] <Jucato> which is?
[05:47] <Jucato> s/KDE4/KDE 4.0/
[05:47] <Jucato> :D
[05:47] <ScottK> Jucato: Kontact (kdepim)
[05:48] <ScottK> Also, since I use my Kubuntu boxes for $WORK, stability is more important than the latest kewl features.
[05:48] <ScottK> But I'm also old and grumpy, so what do I know.
[05:48] <Jucato> ah yes... definitely not for KDE 4.0.. maybe not even 4.1
[05:50] <ScottK> So I'll just keep on with KDE 3.5 for a while and eventually will make the switch.
[05:50] <ScottK> In the meantime, I hope it gets a reasonable level of bug fixing.
[05:51]  * Jucato nods
[05:51] <Jucato> you're not being old and grumpy. just being sensible and stable :)
[05:52] <ScottK> Good night all.
[05:52] <Jucato> 'night!  :)
[05:55] <nixternal> no, ScottK is being old and grumpy ;p
[05:55] <nixternal> just like ligature is right now
[06:00] <Jucato> ligature is just plain being a PITA :)
[06:01] <apachelogger_> Riddell: can you please nuke the older dragonplayer? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=dragonplayer
[06:01]  * apachelogger_ is on his way to school
[06:04] <nixternal> ligature I don't think should have ever been tagged, unless of course I am missing the obvious
[06:05] <nixternal> when someone can tell me why HAS_WCHAR, HAS_GNUG_PRAGMAS is an issue, then maybe I can do something
[06:05] <Jucato> um... I thought extragear wasn't included in the scope of the regular release schedules?
[06:05] <Jucato> (I mean that's why they're in extragear, right?)
[06:06] <nixternal> "NEED_GNUG_PRAGMAS
[06:06] <nixternal> wth is that
[06:06] <nixternal> not everything in extragear was tagged though
[06:07] <Jucato> I didn't know anything in extragear was tagged (maybe plasma only?)
[06:08] <nixternal> I wish I knew where NEED_GNUG_PRAGMAS was defined
[06:09] <genii> libdjvu
[06:10] <nixternal> you would think so, but it isn't
[06:11] <nixternal> hrmm
[06:11] <nixternal> actually ligature has djvu in the damn plugins already
[06:11] <genii> Weird. are you getting something like <clipped full path>/djvu/libdjvu/Arrays.cpp:58:21: error: config.h: No such file or directory
[06:13] <nixternal> nope
[06:13] <genii> hmm
[06:13] <nixternal> In file included from /tmp/buildd/ligature-kde4-4.0.0/plugins/djvu/libdjvu/Arrays.cpp:64:
[06:13] <nixternal> /tmp/buildd/ligature-kde4-4.0.0/plugins/djvu/libdjvu/Arrays.h:62:5: warning: "NEED_GNUG_PRAGMAS" is not defined
[06:13] <nixternal> a bunch of those
[06:14] <nixternal> once again, I think you can chalk this up to bogus ass CMakeList.txt files
[06:15] <nixternal> wtf, instead of building ligature against libdjvulibre-dev, he includes it in the damn package
[06:16] <Jucato> hm.. quite amusing, our only new feature for alpha 3 is kde4 :)
[06:17] <Jucato> oh nixternal, did you write about Tonio's new kio-apt features already?
[06:17]  * nixternal #'s out djvu from CMakeLists.txt and tries again
[06:18] <nixternal> I didn't write any of the release notes this go round
[06:18] <nixternal> I think yuriy did
[06:18] <Jucato> ah :)
[06:18] <Jucato> I'll poke him instead then
[06:18] <Jucato> good for you. you needed a break :)
[06:18] <nixternal> ya, first one in 2 years :)
[06:18] <nixternal> woohoo!
[06:21]  * genii thinks about the mushroom principle
[06:22] <genii> eg: lock programmers in dark room, feed them manure and hope something fruitful comes
[06:23] <nixternal> w00t, just comment out that crappy djvu garbage from CMakeList.txt and it builds past that plugin garbage
[06:23] <nixternal> now I need to fix up fax with some tweaked out cmake includes and on to the next breakage
[06:33]  * genii puts a pot of coffee on for nixternal
[06:35] <nixternal> thanks! gonna need it
[06:35] <genii> Anytime
[06:41]  * genii sneaks a peek at http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/graphics/ligature/CMakeLists.txt
[07:07] <buz> i'm seeing a really annoying issue: at times, konqueror-kde4 simply wont load sites while firefox does so without any issues?
[07:12] <nixternal> buz: running v4.0.0 or older?
[07:13] <Jucato> stdin: btw, did you see my comment about kpackage-kde4 requiring smartpm-core?
[07:13] <stdin> Jucato: nope
[07:13] <nixternal> genii: error: config.h: No such file or directory   <-- what is the fix for that? I cannot remember how I did it before for the life of me
[07:13] <Jucato> stdin: ok now I'm telling you :)
[07:14] <genii> nixternal: [01:15:35] <nixternal> wtf, instead of building ligature against libdjvulibre-dev, he includes it in the damn package
[07:14] <stdin> Jucato: can you file a bug report, pretty please :)
[07:14] <buz> nixternal: 4.0.0
[07:15] <buz> mhh that just was the first composite crash
[07:15] <stdin> Jucato: just so I don't forget to tell Riddell and it is a packaging issue so reporting a bug is fine in that case
[07:16] <genii> nixternal: Maybe theres a reason that .krazy contains: SKIP /plugins/ps/\|/plugins/dvi/\|/plugins/djvu/
[07:16] <nixternal> hrmm
[07:16] <nixternal> forgot about that damn .krazy
[07:16] <nixternal> stupid hidden files :p
[07:17] <Jucato> stdin: wokei
[07:39] <apach|mobile> yuriy: Nightrose: I'm not yet sure whether we should package amarok2 tp 1
[07:54] <buz> can someone check if web shortcuts work for them in kde4? i always end up searching google, no matter what shortcut i try
[08:13] <stdin> Jucato: made a bug report on kpackage-kde4 yet?
[08:16] <Jucato> bug 181950
[08:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181950 in kdeadmin-kde4 "KPackage4 requires smartpm-core in order to run" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181950
[08:18] <nixternal> Riddell: ligature is a mess...if you want to take a look at it feel free...I have uploaded to svn the CMakeList.txt fixes
[08:18] <nixternal> I am going to crash, see you all on the otherside of KDE 4 :)
[08:19] <Jucato> nixternal: I see what you mean about some extragear being tagged. given your problems, I'm also surprised ligature made it... :/
[08:19] <Jucato> g'night nixternal
[08:33] <davmor2> Riddell: things are going okay so far :)
[08:36] <davmor2> Riddell: did the Kde4 team run out of ideas for icons?  In games nearly all of them seem to have pictures of cards. ie arcade/board games/games for kids etc
[08:46] <davmor2> Why does clicking on restart bring up a dialogue saying shutdown/restart etc?
[08:52] <davmor2> couldn't find service khelpcenter was an error I received trying to access the manual for KspaceDuel Kde 4
[08:53] <stdin> is khelpcenter-kde4 installed?
[08:54] <davmor2> I'll check in a sec
[08:54] <stdin> I think it's a recommend of something, but not a dep
[08:57] <davmor2> stdin: I would check via the package manager but it says "Kpackage requires the SMART Package Manager to be installed in order to function"
[08:58] <stdin> bug 18195
[08:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18195 in netcfg "dhcp search can't be avoided during installation" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18195
[08:58] <stdin> erm, bug 181950
[08:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181950 in kdeadmin-kde4 "KPackage4 requires smartpm-core in order to run" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181950
[08:59] <Jucato> thankies
[08:59] <davmor2> stdin: Not a kde user just a tester.  It helps sometime to not know what your doing in order to find bugs :)
[09:00] <stdin> davmor2: the bug topic includes the fix though "KPackage4 requires smartpm-core in order to run", so just install smartpm-core via apt-get
[09:03] <davmor2> should the install icon still be available on an installed system?
[09:03] <Jucato> install icon on the desktop? no
[09:03] <stdin> probably not, no
[09:05] <davmor2> Jucato: stdin: No this is in the menu above package manager
[09:05] <Jucato> hm?
[09:05] <stdin> afaik, the installer shouldn't be installed
[09:07] <davmor2> I've install smartpm-core.  I'v started package manager, I've typed in the password and the window for my password pops back up
[09:08] <stdin> it asks for the root pass I think, try using "kdesudo kpackage" from krunner
[09:09] <Jucato> it worked for me last night, so I'm sure only smartpm-core was needed :/
[09:11] <davmor2> kdesudo command not found I think I've located the error :)
[09:12] <stdin> kdesudo is from kde3, doh!
[09:12] <stdin> erm, set a root password?
[09:12]  * stdin cringes
[09:13] <stdin> or just install the kdesudo package
[09:13] <stdin> that's probably better right now
[09:13] <davmor2> Jucato: do you have a root password? Or did you type in your user pass
[09:13] <Jucato> I actually launched it from a KDE 3 session :)
[09:13] <Jucato> so it used kdesu
[09:14] <stdin> kdesu = kdesudo
[09:14] <Jucato> oh wait...
[09:14] <Jucato> I can't recall if it asked me the password or if I ran it in read only mode (Kpackage's default if you just run it)
[09:15] <Jucato> stdin: only if kdesudo is installed. otherwise it reverts to plain kdesu :)
[09:16] <stdin> yeah, but kdesudo is installed by default in our kde3
[09:16] <Jucato> so can he run kdesudo from a KDE 4 session?
[09:17] <\sh> moins
[09:17] <stdin> yeah, kdesudo only exists in one place in the $PATH, so it'll run the kde3 version
[09:18] <Jucato> what's the problem with kde4's kdesu then?
[09:19] <davmor2> I think I may of found the issue I just tried to access users in order to make sure I was set up as admin.  It would accept my password and that was kdesu at work.  I've just rebooted and am going to check again
[09:19] <davmor2> s/would/wouldn't
[09:21] <stdin> Jucato: asks for root pass
[09:21] <davmor2> yes definite problem.  I just tried User Manager again and kdesu is saying that my password is wrong but I just logged in with it :)
[09:22] <stdin> if you look it asks for "root" password, so there's the problem :p
[09:22] <davmor2> how can I check via command line as to what groups I'm in
[09:22] <Jucato> stdin: then using kdesudo will work around that right? maybe we can symlink kdesudo to kde4's kdesu like we do in kde3's kdesu
[09:22] <Jucato> davmor2: "id"
[09:23] <stdin> davmor2: "groups"
[09:23] <Jucato> both :)
[09:23] <Jucato> id shows groupid too though... :(
[09:23] <Jucato> stdin: so the bug is kdesu4 doesn't/can't use sudo and only su?
[09:24] <stdin> it's not configured to do so, it's probably come cmake option
[09:24] <stdin> not 100% sure if we'll need to patch the code or just reconfigure it
[09:25] <Jucato> I see...but in any case, wouldn't it still be advisable to use kdesudo as well? unless kdesu4 works more properly than kdesu (3)
[09:25] <davmor2> hey guys if you go to User Manager it is kdesu asking for password and it is saying that I got it wrong
[09:25] <mak3_> hi all
[09:26] <stdin> Jucato: probably yes, we need a kde4 port really
[09:26] <davmor2> should the id number make any difference as long ass the admin group is listed?
[09:26] <Jucato> davmor2: yeah, because it's actually looking for the root's password.. which doesn't exist
[09:26] <mikkael> i use kdesudo for the kde4 password problem
[09:26] <hunger> Is kdevelop already available for kde4?
[09:26] <davmor2> Jucato: Kdesu is
[09:27] <stdin> hunger: no, not yet
[09:27] <davmor2> yes your right it does ask for roots password :)
[09:27] <Jucato> hunger: I thought kdev has a different release cycle?
[09:27] <hunger> Jucato: Dunno. That is why I am asking.
[09:28] <Jucato> oh ok.. then most probably no
[09:28] <hunger> I have a build of kdevelop from kde/trunk and that is mostly unuseable. I just wanted to make sure that I did not break something locally;-)
[09:29] <Jucato> ah don't worry then :)
[09:34] <davmor2> stdin: Jucato: Right back to the original issue before I found the other.  There is no khelpcenter-kde4 listed in the repo's using apt-cache search.  I changedd the search field to khelpcenter and that's listed.  Would that be the right one?
[09:35] <stdin> khelpcenter-kde4 is the package, and it does exist
[09:36] <davmor2> that'll be why it isn't installed then :)
[09:36] <milian> regarding: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0-2.php
[09:36] <milian> I still have to start kde manually when using KDE 4 from my login manager
[09:36] <milian> an xterm was started and I had to use the old commands
[09:37] <milian> i.e. exporting some envs and running startkde afterwards
[09:37] <Jucato> hm.. that's kinda wrong
[09:38] <stdin> you just choose "KDE 4" from the login manager, ie: kdm or gdm
[09:38] <milian> I did just that
[09:38] <milian> xterm was presented and nothing else
[09:38] <davmor2> or a spare disk with the kde4 install on and start it a run time :)
[09:38] <stdin> post /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop to pastebin then
[09:38] <milian> so I did what I described above
[09:38] <buz> hm lol
[09:38] <milian> the next time I run kde4 it worked though
[09:39] <buz> i managed to remove the taskbar and now it wont come back :P
[09:39] <stdin> buz: I think that happens when you don't have a clean ~/.kde4 it happened to me too
[09:39] <buz> so its not a good idea to copy over kde3 ?
[09:40] <buz> how else am i gonna get my settings
[09:40] <Jucato> buz: when you run your kde3 apps in a kde4 session it will use ~/.kde
[09:40] <buz> yeah but for example i want kwallet data in konqui4
[09:41] <buz> and kopete data in kopete
[09:41] <Jucato> hm... they may or may not be compatible with the old, but you could try
[09:41] <Jucato> carefully :)
[09:41] <buz> well they are
[09:41] <buz> but somehow, this plasma business is beyond me :P
[09:42] <buz> ah well lets nuke .kde4 and try again :P
[09:42] <buz> i have feeling i will do that numerous times :P
[09:42] <davmor2> afk I'll break it some more when I come back :P
[09:47] <milian> darn, those kde4 programs made themselves highes-priority defaults for many filetypes...
[09:47] <hunger> kde4-devel is not installable here.
[09:47] <milian> kwrite kde4, konqueror kde4 etc. now start in my kde3 environment
[09:47] <hunger> kde4-devel depends on kde4-core >= 5:47.
[09:48] <Riddell> tsk, poke stdin ^^
[09:49]  * stdin wonders why that is
[09:49] <hunger> kde4 is not installable either: depends on kdeartwork-kde4 > 4:4.0.0 while available is 4:3.98.x
[09:50] <stdin> just installed it fine on my gutsy install
[09:50] <hunger> stdin: I'm on hardy.
[09:51] <stdin> well that's because kdeartwork-kde4 hasn't built yet :)
[09:51] <hunger> stdin: Ah, that explains it:-) I'll just wait it out.
[09:52] <Riddell> hmm, it failed to build
[09:52] <Riddell> xscreensaver foo
[09:52] <stdin> built in gutsy PPA
[09:53] <Riddell> yeah, it has magic xscreensaver detection so if xscreensaver changes kdeartwork needs to as well
[09:57] <buz> stdin: even with a virgin .kde4, removing the pager and readding it doesnt seem to put back in the bottom bar
[09:57] <buz> it just floats on the desktop
[09:58] <stdin> probably a bug then
[09:58] <buz> sounds like it
[09:58] <buz> not the first one i'd file today :P
[10:02] <stdin> Riddell: http://www.stdin.me.uk/diffs/post-rel/meta-kde4_3.3.debdiff see also bug 181950
[10:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181950 in kdeadmin-kde4 "KPackage4 requires smartpm-core in order to run" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181950
[10:02] <Riddell> stdin: does kpackage only use smart now?
[10:02] <Jucato> yep
[10:03] <Jucato> it won't start without smart...
[10:03] <stdin> it pops up saying it can't find "SMART" so I guess so
[10:06] <\sh> Riddell: I guess it's because smart can handle all types of repositories..rpm-md, deb, yum etc.
[10:06] <Riddell> makes sense
[10:06] <\sh> but it can be dangerous, too
[10:42] <davmor2> Riddell: On a plus side the install itself was absolutely flawless.
[10:42] <Riddell> davmor2: overall I'm happy it works at all :)
[10:45] <davmor2> Like I say there are some niggles but that I'm sure is to be expected.  All my hardware was detected.  I installed on my second drive and updated grub on the 1st.  Everything seems to be okay.
[10:51] <davmor2> Riddell: the other main niggle I have is why does it pop up a window with end session when from the menu you selected restart
[10:52] <Riddell> Bug in KDE 4.0 shocker!
[10:52] <Riddell> quick stop the release!
[10:52] <davmor2> Riddell: No I wondered more if it was deliberate :P
[10:53] <Riddell> I doubt it, probably just a last minute change to something that clashed with something else
[10:53] <mhb> hi folks
[10:53] <Riddell> same thing happened with desktop wallpaper, the formats changed and it broke kdm
[10:53] <mhb> everyone in a jolly mood, I see
[10:54] <davmor2> right okay
[10:55]  * Riddell fluffles mhb 
[10:55]  * apache|mobile__ schedules work on kdm-kde4 for tonight
[10:56] <stdin> when oh when will kde.org announce... :p
[10:56] <apache|mobile__> Riddell: btw, do you think it makes sense to create some patches from the 4.0 branch... e.g. plasma is crashing like a crazy horse for me
[10:56] <apache|mobile__> stdin: when the beer is here!
[10:57] <stdin> damn those beer delivery guys, always late
[10:57] <Riddell> stdin: soon soon!
[10:58] <stdin> I just want to stop saying "when kde.org announces it" every few mins :p
[10:58] <mhb> ya, time based releases rock
[10:59] <Riddell> even gnome doesn't release to the minute
[10:59] <mhb> KDE should go back to its punktlich German roots
[10:59] <Nightrose> haha
[10:59] <apache|mobile__> pünktlichkeit ftw!
[10:59] <Nightrose> indeed
[10:59] <Riddell> now there's a good word
[10:59] <apache|mobile__> we should import aseigo, so he gets to learn that ;-)
[10:59] <stdin> a general time would be nice, like "somewhere around lunchtime UTC"
[10:59] <Riddell> not as good as entwickler, but still sounds fun
[10:59] <Riddell> stdin: minutes!
[10:59] <davmor2> Riddell: I just dropped in my usb pen drive and it's not been mounted at all
[11:00] <apache|mobile__> naaah
[11:00] <apache|mobile__> IMHO
[11:00] <Riddell> davmor2: stop testing, you'll only find bugs!
[11:00] <apache|mobile__> the time should be in a 3 day time frame
[11:00] <stdin> so I was right then, depending on when you have lunch :p
[11:00] <apache|mobile__> that creates a lot of buzz
[11:00] <davmor2> I thought that was the point :P
[11:00] <Riddell> davmor2: oh aye :)
[11:00] <apache|mobile__> just imagine, 3 days without sleep and total excitement
[11:05] <davmor2> Manually mounting the device works and dolphin can access and read it np's.  However the computer icon by the time still doesn't register it :(
[11:06]  * apache|mobile__ runs through the class room and shouts "ooohhhh KDE4, oohhhhhh, can't wait any longer"
[11:08] <mhb> Riddell: hope your "within minutes" does not mean "within hours"
[11:08] <Riddell> hold your breath!
[11:09]  * apache|mobile__ stops breathing
[11:10] <davmor2> apache|mobile__: don't be blagged you'll die ;)
[11:11] <apache|mobile__> omg, ohnoes
[11:11] <apache|mobile__> can't die I have to be here when the announce gets out
[11:12] <Riddell> keep holding!
[11:13] <davmor2> Once again Riddell On the whole it workish looks nice and feels a whole lot more sprightly.  Good job all round.  I hope the niggles are ironed out soon :)
[11:14] <mhb> woo hoo!
[11:14] <davmor2> Riddell: stop trying to kill him :P
[11:14]  * stdin woots at www.kde.org !
[11:15] <Nightrose> \o/  \o/  \o/ yaaaaaaaay!
[11:15] <stdin> apache|mobile: you can breath now :)
[11:15] <apache|mobile> KAY DE EE
[11:15] <apache|mobile> KAY DE EE
[11:15] <apache|mobile> KAY DE EE
[11:15] <apache|mobile> FOUR
[11:15]  * apache|mobile hands out more and more beer
[11:16] <apache|mobile> free beer for everyone
[11:28] <stdin> ooh Riddell, shouldn't "run startkde in the Xerphyr xterm" be "run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the Xerphyr xterm" ?
[11:29] <Riddell> mm, yes
[11:30] <stdin> you know, we should have done a startkde-kde4, but it's not exactly a big deal
[11:30] <mhb> so, get ready for all the negative reviews :o)
[11:33] <stdin> HOBBSEE!!! hi :)
[11:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you just missed the big release!
[11:34] <Riddell> the fireworks were amazing
[11:34] <mhb> ryanakca: ping
[11:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: awwww
[11:37] <\sh> wooosa
[11:38] <\sh> THIS DAY IS INCREDIBLE...KDE4 released...rejoined motu...birthday....and klinsmann is new coach of Bayern München...what a great day...I love it
[11:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so were there lots of shiny colours?
[11:38] <stdin> all the colours of plasma :p
[11:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:39] <davmor2> mhb: It ain't that bad I can only find niggles
[11:39] <Hobbsee> right, so how do i install it on hardy?
[11:40] <Riddell> Hobbsee: a large amount of black
[11:40] <Hobbsee> just kde4-core seems listed in teh announcement
[11:40] <Riddell> \sh: it's your special day!
[11:40] <stdin> "sudo apt-get install kde4-core" should work fine
[11:40] <\sh> Riddell: looks like :)
[11:42] <mhb> davmor2: reviewers tend to pay attention to details, and KDE4 is not a release of Windows Vista, which is both good and bad
[11:42]  * Hobbsee installs
[11:42] <Hobbsee> ...blink
[11:42]  * Hobbsee just saw how fast the archives are serving data
[11:42] <stdin> prepare for the involuntary "ooh"s and "ahh"s you'll expel
[11:43] <Vorian> lol
[11:43] <davmor2> mhb: But I'm a tester I'm looking for faults I'm actually hunting them down :)
[11:44] <Hobbsee> Fetched 108MB in 2min8s (840kB/s)
[11:45] <stdin> not bad, I bet the PPA is a tad slower than that by now ;)
[11:45] <Hobbsee> my connection *never* goes that fast on a non-au site.
[11:45] <Hobbsee> rarely that good, consistently, on an au site
[11:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why does this hate me?
[11:52] <Hobbsee> i don't seem to get a terminal after running Xephyr :1
[11:52] <Riddell> do you get xephyr?
[11:52] <stdin> did you do "Xephyr :1 & export DISPLAY=:1 ; xterm" ?
[11:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: as in, the screen?  yes
[11:54] <stdin> I think Xephyr is starting too slowly for xterm
[11:54] <Riddell> yeah, they probably need to be separate commands
[11:54] <Riddell> export DISPLAY=:1 ; xterm
[11:54] <Hobbsee> AUDIT: Fri Jan 11 22:54:27 2008: 11334 Xephyr: client 1 rejected from local host (uid 1000)
[11:54] <Hobbsee> No protocol specified
[11:54] <Hobbsee> xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :1
[11:55] <Riddell> hrm
[11:55] <stdin> yep, Xephyr is too slow for xterm
[11:56] <Hobbsee> so, um, what can i do?
[11:56] <Tm_T> mmmh
[11:56]  * Tm_T uses full KDE4 session
[11:57] <stdin> Hobbsee: did you wait a sec before starting xterm?
[11:58] <Hobbsee> stdin: i didn't start xterm, i just pasted what you had in quotes
[11:58] <stdin> you mean "Xephyr :1 & export DISPLAY=:1 ; xterm" ?
[11:58] <Hobbsee> yes
[11:58] <stdin> try "export DISPLAY=:0" to reset the display then "Xephyr :1 &" then wait and do "export DISPLAY=:1 ; xterm" see if that works at all
[11:59] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~% export DISPLAY=:1 ; xterm                      10:58PM
[11:59] <Hobbsee> AUDIT: Fri Jan 11 22:59:07 2008: 11409 Xephyr: client 1 rejected from local host (uid 1000)
[11:59] <Hobbsee> No protocol specified
[11:59] <Hobbsee> xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :1
[11:59] <Hobbsee> same thing
[12:00] <stdin> does "xhost" display anything other than: access control enabled, only authorized clients can connect
[12:00] <Tm_T> hmmm
[12:00] <Tm_T> what will we do WHEN #kubuntu becomes full of kde4 questions?
[12:01] <Hobbsee> stdin:
[12:01] <Hobbsee> AUDIT: Fri Jan 11 23:00:56 2008: 11409 Xephyr: client 1 rejected from local host (uid 1000)
[12:01] <Hobbsee> No protocol specified
[12:01] <Hobbsee> xhost:  unable to open display ":1"
[12:01]  * Hobbsee restarts X, and hopes to get in via GDM
[12:08] <Jucato> Tm_T: we'll do what we've always done... try to cope with it :)
[12:08] <Jucato> or direct them somewhere else >:)
[12:08] <Tm_T> Jucato: that's what I do expect
[12:09] <Tm_T> Jucato: glad we have #kde too ;)
[12:09] <Jucato> actually a few days ago we were also wondering where to put kde4 questions in #kde :D
[12:09] <stdin> I hope #kde doesn't just send them back our way
[12:09] <Jucato> well that depends...
[12:10] <Jucato> we'll see :)
[12:10] <Tm_T> Jucato: I won't, dunno for others
[12:10] <stdin> heh, I think I got #ubuntu-offtopic in a KDE4 buzz :D
[12:10] <Tm_T> distro specific is different
[12:10] <Jucato> we could always ask "What version of KDE are you using? 3.5? 4.0? or Kubuntu?"
[12:10] <Jucato> >:)
[12:10] <Tm_T> haha
[12:12] <Hobbsee> wow, nice!
[12:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: isn't it just
[12:12] <Jucato> Hobbsee: 4.0?
[12:13] <Hobbsee> yup
[12:13] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: 0.0 or 0.80?
[12:13] <Hobbsee> 0.0
[12:13] <stdin> had any involuntary "ooh"s and "ahh"s yet?
[12:13] <davmor2> What's the name of the rss reader for the desktop rather than the rsd ticker tape
[12:13] <Jucato> Hobbsee: welcome home :)
[12:13] <Hobbsee> :D
[12:14] <Hobbsee> stdin: yeah - over the startup time, etc
[12:14] <stdin> I noticed that, it's lightning
[12:14] <Hobbsee> the lack of panel at the top of my screen is somewhat disturbing though
[12:14] <Hobbsee> particularly coming from gnome
[12:14] <Tm_T> haha
[12:14] <Riddell> damn, we should have a fridge story
[12:14] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: well I don't usually have panel even in the bottom, soo
[12:15] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yeah me too...
[12:15] <Jucato> not having my usual 6 panels is disturbing...
[12:15] <Nightrose> hehe yea that was the first thing i noticed as well
[12:16] <Nightrose> but I will get used to that
[12:16] <Tm_T> Jucato: 6?
[12:16] <emonkey> damn it the ubuntu mirrors is faaaast, 5MB/s download of the Live CD
[12:16]  * Jucato kinda totally dislikes big single panel setups right now :)
[12:16] <Jucato> Tm_T: 6, 3 above, 3 below :)
[12:16] <Tm_T> Jucato: hmm, interesting, I'm unable to get useful panels more than two
[12:17] <Tm_T> as in, third I can't configure
[12:17] <stdin> I only have 2, one on the bottom and one on the right (taskbar)
[12:17] <Jucato> Tm_T: actually it can be reduced to 2.. but for more configurability, I split them up
[12:17] <Tm_T> you mean panelpanel? or, some, special panel with their own settings?
[12:18] <Jucato> panel panel
[12:18] <Tm_T> mmmmh
[12:18] <stdin> panel panel panel
[12:18] <Tm_T> stdin: hug me
[12:18] <Jucato> hm.. actually.. panel kasbar panel, panel panel panel :D
[12:18] <Jucato> badger badger bagder
[12:18]  * stdin gives Tm_T a biiiiiiiiig hug
[12:18] <Hobbsee> Jucato: here as well.  this panel is huge!
[12:19] <Jucato> at least it's pretty though...
[12:19] <Jucato> but then again, Kubuntu's panel has always been pretty :)
[12:19] <Jucato> shiny!!!
[12:19] <stdin> mmmm, shiny
[12:19] <Hobbsee> dunno what to think of oxygen, though
[12:19] <Hobbsee> :D
[12:20] <presroi_> greetings
[12:20] <Jucato> oxygen is... um... new :)
[12:20] <Hobbsee> so, how do i turn the compositing on?
[12:20] <stdin> Hobbsee: system settings > desktop > advanced (IIRC)
[12:20] <Jucato> right-click on window titlebar -> Configure Window Behavior
[12:20] <Jucato> bottom settings
[12:20] <Jucato> that too :)
[12:20] <Jucato> oooh.. System Settings is now pleasing to look at :P
[12:21] <stdin> yeah, it got a lot better
[12:21] <Hobbsee> awww, looking glass isn't great.  compiz does that better
[12:21] <stdin> usable even
[12:22] <presroi_> hi. When I try to install kde4, I get the following error from apt-get:
[12:22] <presroi_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:22] <presroi_>   kde4: Depends: kdeartwork-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[12:22] <presroi_> E: Broken packages
[12:22] <presroi_> how do I fix this?
[12:22] <Hobbsee> install kdeartwork-kde4
[12:23] <presroi_> Reading state information... Done
[12:23] <presroi_> E: Couldn't find package kdeartwort-kde4
[12:23] <Hobbsee> presroi_: spell it correctly.
[12:23] <presroi_> sorry. typo
[12:23] <presroi_> I see it now
[12:23] <Jucato> :D
[12:23] <Hobbsee> oh, nice expose
[12:23] <presroi_> oh, a miracle. it started to work :)
[12:23] <presroi_> sorry
[12:23] <Jucato> we could probably start directing kde4 installation questions in here to #kubuntu?>
[12:24] <Hobbsee> Jucato: well, we're all playing with it too for the moment
[12:24] <Jucato> wotey :)
[12:24] <presroi_> Jucato: Which n-th person am I to ask kde4 related questions in this channel?
[12:24] <stdin> well, it looks like the backport is mixing with the PPA in a bad way ..
[12:25] <Jucato> presroi_: anyone. but stdin is likely to know :)
[12:25] <Jucato> stdin: we should have probably stuck to PPA's with KDE4 all the way
[12:26] <stdin> "you have -backports enabled, the backported packages are trickling through. you can either wait, or disable -backports temporally" < is my answer
[12:26] <stdin> has anyone updated !kde4 yet?
[12:26] <Jucato> feel free :)
[12:27] <Jucato> !kde4
[12:27] <ubotu> kde4 is KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://tinyurl.com/2gqwmr - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[12:27] <stdin> you have ubotu-foo, not I :)
[12:27] <Jucato> give me the text then :)
[12:27]  * Jucato is wary of the wikipedia link though
[12:28] <stdin> !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[12:32] <Jucato> !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/
[12:32] <ubotu> I'll remember that Jucato
[12:34] <Riddell> s/next/latest/ ?
[12:34] <Jucato> er... stdin didn't change that!!
[12:34] <stdin> !-kde4
[12:34] <ubotu> kde4 aliases: kde 4 - added by apokryphos on 2006-06-18 20:48:00
[12:34] <stdin> I blame apokryphos
[12:35] <Jucato> !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/
[12:35] <ubotu> I'll remember that Jucato
[12:35] <Jucato> hm.. technically is it a major release? (aren't the major releases 4.0, 4.1, 4.2 etc?)
[12:35] <Jucato> (of course Curious Joe probably wouldn't pwant to know...)
[12:36] <stdin> no, that's minor. <major>.<minor>.<patch>  (minor is sometimes called "release" too)
[12:41]  * Hobbsee wonders if this stuff all looks better with polyester
[12:41] <Jucato> change oxygen to polyester?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> yeah
[12:41] <Jucato> is polyester ported to qt4 already?
[12:41] <mhb> it is
[12:41] <Hobbsee> the whole "grey on grey" really isn't doing it for me
[12:41] <Jucato> oh nice
[12:42] <Jucato> Hobbsee: try the other color schemes?
[12:42] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/001.png <3<3<3<3<3<3<3
[12:42] <Hobbsee> oh ouch.  i must not have the gtk/qt engine thing
[12:56] <davmor2> Tm_T: Nice
[12:56] <Tm_T> davmor2: indeed, well, not for everyone, but just perfect for me
[12:56] <davmor2> Anyone else with some nice shots?
[12:57] <Tm_T> davmor2: shots from what?
[12:57] <davmor2> screens sorry
[12:57] <Tm_T> yes, screenshots of/from what
[12:57] <Hobbsee> grah.  bad kde.
[12:58] <apachelogger__> Hobbsee: ?
[12:58] <Hobbsee> it's changed the text colour of some of the applets in gnome
[12:58] <davmor2> kde4/3 in action
[12:58] <apachelogger__> Hobbsee: now that sounds rather strange
[12:59] <Hobbsee> yes...
[12:59] <apachelogger__> maybe an evil plan of KDE4 - make gnome desktops ugly
[12:59] <Hobbsee> whether it was in the gnome updates or something, i'm not sure
[12:59]  * apachelogger__ goes with the evil theory :P
[12:59]  * Tm_T admits nothing!
[13:00]  * apachelogger__ senses a party
[13:00]  * Tm_T senses life and death
[13:00] <Tm_T> oh, that's only me
[13:01] <apachelogger__> mom, I don't like it when you talk about death
[13:01] <Tm_T> but its crucial part of life, son
[13:03] <apachelogger__> Tm_T: why does it have to be that way?
[13:04] <Tm_T> because I say so!
[13:04] <apachelogger__> :(
[13:04]  * apachelogger__ is listening to Tétris by Les Chapo-T on En Faîte [Amarok]
[13:05] <apachelogger__> Riddell: btw, amarok2 tech preview 1 is coming soon ... I'll create a package for testing, so we can decide whether it would make sense to include it into hardy
[13:05] <apachelogger__> I kinda doubt that
[13:05] <Tm_T> apachelogger__: what I have seen, though haven't seen most recent status, no
[13:06] <apachelogger__> well
[13:06] <apachelogger__> it plays music
[13:06] <apachelogger__> collection works somewhat
[13:06] <apachelogger__> but that's about it
[13:07] <Tm_T> yu
[13:09] <Riddell> jjesse: the 4.0 live CD is not entirely unlike what I expect the hardy 4.0 CDs to be like (but the hardy CDs will have adept and other kde 3.0 missing bits on too)
[13:09] <jjesse> Riddell: awesome news thanks :)
[13:10] <Riddell> jjesse: for screenshots you probably want to set a blank background since I don't know what background we'll use
[13:10] <Riddell> although we might just use that default kde 4.0 one
[13:10] <jjesse> Riddell: thanks for all the hard work just getting some preasure
[13:10] <mhb> Riddell: that'd be a shame
[13:11] <mhb> Riddell: /me votes for one wallpaper for both KDE3 and KDE4 versions
[13:11] <mhb> and the default KDE4 one shouldn't be used in KDE3, I guess.
[13:11] <jjesse> +1 to mhb
[13:13]  * Hobbsee wonders what the heck is wrong with this
[13:13] <mhb> Hobbsee: this being... ?
[13:13] <mhb> that pointer segfaults here
[13:13]  * apachelogger__ notes: party in 50 minutes
[13:14] <Riddell> mhb: that would be sensible
[13:15] <Riddell> apachelogger__: is it a radio amarok party?
[13:15] <mhb> how come distros like Arch can gather dozens of nice logo suggestions when they need artwork, but we are so much lacking people?
[13:15] <txwikinger2> Isn't it a bit early for a party?
[13:16] <mhb> mommy, the world's not fair!
[13:16] <apachelogger__> Riddell: well, with radio amarok support, not about it though
[13:29] <apachelogger__> txwikinger2: I was drinking beer at noon :P
[13:30] <apachelogger__> today is KDE 4 day, means it's never too early  for a party
[13:30] <txwikinger2> well.. always those people south of the danube :p
[13:31] <apachelogger__> :P
[13:31]  * apachelogger__ shouts: PARTEEEE
[13:31]  * txwikinger2 thinks he should put his civil servant hat on and take an early TGIF
[13:32]  * Riddell quoffs smoothie
[13:36]  * apachelogger__ just hopes \sh is around :P
[13:37] <\sh> apachelogger__: ^^
[13:38] <apachelogger__> very good :D
[13:38]  * \sh is going to drink some sekt 
[13:38]  * apachelogger__ adds a todo item and heads towards a cigarette
[13:47]  * mornfall appears for a bit
[13:54] <Riddell> guys, blog!  I want that planet a nice shade of blue!
[13:54] <Riddell> jjesse: blog!
[13:54] <Riddell> jpatrick: blog!
[13:54] <Riddell> seele: wake up and blog!
[13:54] <Riddell> if jdub can do it, you can too!
[13:55] <jpatrick> Riddell: I've got bad dependencies on KDE4..
[13:55] <Nightrose> those who give support in #kubuntu: amarok 1.4.8 lost my collection in kde 4 - a rescann solved it
[13:56] <jpatrick> looks like one thing still has to build..
[13:56] <Riddell> jpatrick: what's that?
[13:56] <jpatrick> kdebase-runtime: Conflicts: kdebase-runtime-bin but 4:3.96.0-1ubuntu1~gutsy1 is to be installed.
[13:56] <Hobbsee> heh, what are we blogging about?  :)
[13:56] <jpatrick>  kdebase-runtime-bin: Depends: kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 (= 4:3.96.0-1ubuntu1~gutsy1) but 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1 is installed
[13:56] <jpatrick> ?
[13:58] <Riddell> jpatrick: there is no kdebase-runtime-bin any more
[13:58] <Riddell> jpatrick: what version of kdebase-runtime is it trying to install?
[13:59] <Riddell> jpatrick: I think you need to remove your old packages first
[13:59] <jpatrick> Riddell: I have 4.0.0 of kdebase-runtime
[14:00] <Riddell> jpatrick: apt-get remove kdebase-runtime-bin
[14:00] <jpatrick> Riddell: it's not installed
[14:01] <Nightrose> ladies and gentleman!!! we gotta PARTY!
[14:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: let the party get started ;-)
[14:01]  * nosrednaekim can't wait for all of the kde4 support requests.
[14:01] <jpatrick> !opsnack
[14:01] <ubotu> Chocolate!  And Peanuts!
[14:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[14:02] <Jucato> class KDE4Dance : public Qt4Dance
[14:02]  * Hobbsee parties by apt-get clean
[14:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: sec
[14:03] <Riddell> jpatrick: so what's trying to install it?
[14:03] <Riddell> apt-cache rdepends kdebase-runtime-bin
[14:04] <gribelu> on hardy, is it normal that 'apt-get install kde4-core' tries to remove kdebase-bin-kde3?
[14:04]  * Riddell dances a gay gordons
[14:04] <jpatrick> Riddell: almost everything -
[14:04] <jpatrick> *-kde*
[14:04] <jpatrick> *-kde4*
[14:04] <Riddell> gribelu: yes that's fine, the kde 4 one replaces it
[14:04] <gribelu> Riddell: thanks
[14:05] <nosrednaekim> hey... re we using .kde4 for the $KDEHOME?
[14:05] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: yes
[14:05] <Jucato> for kde4 apps
[14:05]  * jpatrick removes PPA kde4
[14:05] <nosrednaekim> ok.
[14:05] <Jucato> [20:34] <stdin> *NOTICE: If you're trying to install KDE 4.0.0 but are getting errors like "Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed" then you need to temporarily disable the gutsy-backports repository or just wait until all the packages have made it into gutsy-backports*
[14:06] <jpatrick> Jucato: cheers
[14:06] <Riddell> meh, backports
[14:06] <Riddell> ppa is better
[14:07] <Jucato> :)
[14:08] <jpatrick> poor build machines..
[14:08] <apachelogger> \sh: ping
[14:08] <gribelu> is the ppa needed on hardy?
[14:09] <jpatrick> gribelu: it's in hardy
[14:10] <gribelu> finally! .. the older kde4 releases made it into gutsy before hardy
[14:10] <jpatrick> gribelu: the build machines got pritoized that way
[14:11] <Riddell> gribelu: no
[14:11] <apachelogger> Nightrose: \sh is lost
[14:11] <Nightrose> :/
[14:11] <Nightrose> \sh: get back!
[14:11] <\sh> waa?
[14:11] <seele> Riddell: lol
[14:12] <Nightrose> apachelogger: there he is ;-)
[14:12] <apachelogger> P-A-R-T-Y
[14:12]  * \sh has openscenegraph party right now :)
[14:12] <nosrednaekim> wow, this is almost as crazy as the day gutsy was released
[14:12] <apachelogger> pfft
[14:12] <apachelogger> \sh: we defenitely rok more :P
[14:12]  * Riddell grabs apachelogger and dances
[14:12]  * apachelogger is dancing
[14:12] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can you plz get us insanity
[14:13] <apachelogger> now that sounds.....
[14:13] <Nightrose> sure sec
[14:13] <\sh> apachelogger: you are not in karlsruhe today? ,-)
[14:13] <apachelogger> \sh: I don't need to
[14:13] <apachelogger> we has tha IRC
[14:13] <\sh> apachelogger: you should...so we could party in RL and IRC ;)
[14:13] <apachelogger> \sh: next year :D
[14:14] <apachelogger> ~order birthday package
[14:14] <Nightrose> apachelogger: there you got insanity
[14:14]  * insanity is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[14:14]  * insanity slides a birthday present down the bar to apachelogger and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[14:14] <insanity> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday apachelogger, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[14:14] <insanity> Happy Birthday apachelogger :D
[14:14] <insanity> To your health!
[14:14]  * apachelogger starts singing
[14:14] <apachelogger> oh
[14:14] <apachelogger> hehe
[14:14]  * \sh will watch "I am Legend" tonight, and then going into a nice bar for having a good dinner :)
[14:14] <apachelogger> ~order birthday package for \sh
[14:14]  * Nightrose sings with apachelogger
[14:14]  * insanity tosses 37 balloons in the raving crowd
[14:14]  * \sh bounces
[14:14] <insanity> apachelogger: dude, you rock!
[14:14]  * insanity turns on tha most funky party music as well as the all shiny disco ball.
[14:14] <insanity> apachelogger: wanna dance with me? :-)
[14:14]  * insanity starts shaking her tight ass
[14:14] <\sh> bounce bounce baby bounce bounce
[14:14] <apachelogger> letz do global birthday :D
[14:15]  * insanity slides a gigantic cake with 37 candles down the bar to apachelogger.
[14:15] <apachelogger> uhhhh
[14:15] <apachelogger> hrrr
[14:15]  * insanity detects: a women is jumping out of apachelogger's gigantic cake!!!
[14:15]  * insanity is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[14:15]  * insanity slides a birthday present down the bar to \sh and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[14:15] <insanity> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday \sh, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[14:15] <insanity> Happy Birthday \sh :D
[14:15] <insanity> To your health!
[14:15] <apachelogger> now that is a flodd here
[14:15] <apachelogger> -d +o
[14:15] <\sh> harhar
[14:15]  * insanity tosses 37 balloons in the raving crowd
[14:15]  * apachelogger grabs all the balloons
[14:16] <apachelogger> mine, mine mine!
[14:16] <insanity> \sh: dude, you rock!
[14:16]  * insanity turns on tha most funky party music as well as the all shiny disco ball.
[14:16] <insanity> \sh: wanna dance with me? :-)
[14:16]  * insanity starts shaking her tight ass
[14:16]  * Nightrose sneaks behind apachelogger and steals a balloon
[14:16]  * insanity slides a gigantic cake with 37 candles down the bar to \sh.
[14:16] <apachelogger> ohnoes
[14:16]  * apachelogger sends orks out to get the balloons back
[14:16] <Hobbsee> grah.  now i've got the song about shiny disco balls in my head
[14:16] <Nightrose> haha
[14:16] <mhb> one is sure that it's insane in a channel when there's insanity partying with the people
[14:16]  * insanity detects: a women is jumping out of \sh's gigantic cake!!!
[14:16] <gribelu> hey i got a weird message while installing kde4 ---> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51550/ .. installation kept on going but still
[14:17]  * apachelogger is streaming on Radio Amarok :: Happy BDay \sh :: http://radio.getamarok.com:8000/amarok.ogg :: #amarok.radio
[14:17] <Nightrose> mhb: you should see the amarok channels sometimes ;-)
[14:17] <nosrednaekim> gribelu: looking
[14:17] <nosrednaekim> gribelu: ignore these psycos
[14:18] <apachelogger> lol
[14:18] <gribelu> :))
[14:18]  * jpatrick sets the spanish channels' topic to kde4 spam
[14:18]  * apachelogger starts dancing on his desk
[14:18] <nosrednaekim> gribelu: make sure you install kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4
[14:18] <Hobbsee> people!  meeting!
[14:18]  * apachelogger starts dancing on the meeting table
[14:19] <apachelogger> ~order beer for \sh
[14:19]  * insanity gives \sh a nice frosty mug of beer.
[14:19]  * nosrednaekim hits everyone with teh gavel
[14:19]  * \sh wants to hear that
[14:19] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: dude, it's the first KDE 4 day
[14:19] <apachelogger> you really shouldn't be working
[14:20] <gribelu> nosrednaekim: hmmm it appears that it was installed even though i got that message.. maybe it's because i used aptitude? who knows..
[14:20] <nosrednaekim> apachelogger: working? haha, no, i'm not working
[14:20] <apachelogger> most perfect
[14:20] <apachelogger> ~order beer for nosrednaekim
[14:20]  * insanity gives nosrednaekim a nice frosty mug of beer.
[14:20] <\sh> apachelogger: when is my birthday song coming? ,-)
[14:20] <Hobbsee> hmmm, that must be after work
[14:20] <nosrednaekim> i'm underage! stop!
[14:20] <apachelogger> \sh: I have none :P
[14:20] <Hobbsee> ~order dinner
[14:20] <\sh> apachelogger: wanna have one? ,-)
[14:20] <apachelogger> \sh: I can offer the open source song though
[14:20]  * insanity slides dinner down the bar to Hobbsee
[14:21] <apachelogger> \sh: will do my best
[14:21] <apachelogger> theoretically I could sing
[14:21] <apachelogger> but
[14:21] <apachelogger> you don't want that
[14:21] <nosrednaekim> gribelu: you are probably fine then :)
[14:21] <apachelogger> Nightrose: right? :P
[14:21] <Nightrose> right
[14:21] <Nightrose>  ;-)
[14:21] <Nightrose> just as you would not want me singing
[14:21] <Hobbsee> ~order brain
[14:21]  * insanity shouts: OMG!!!!! RED ALERT! We lost a brain. Get me a medic, NOW!
[14:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: got a birthday song?
[14:22] <\sh> apachelogger: www.pornophonique.de -> CC song...bitte
[14:22] <Nightrose> apachelogger: checking
[14:22] <\sh> apachelogger: 02 take me to the bonuslevel because i need an extralife.mp3
[14:22] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nope - get him pornophonic instead
[14:23] <yuriy> Jucato, nixternal: i only barely started the release notes :[, i didn't realize alpha 3 was already being released yesterday. Riddell just cut off all the old stuff from alpha 2.
[14:23] <\sh> apachelogger: http://www.pornophonique.de/download.php?song_id=9 :)
[14:23]  * apachelogger starts kget
[14:23] <\sh> apachelogger: the whole album...and then the 2nd song of it :)
[14:23] <apachelogger> yeah
[14:23] <Riddell> yuriy: nothing much had happened apart from 4.0 :)
[14:23] <\sh> apachelogger: with a nice little speech before that ,-)
[14:23] <apachelogger> hehe
[14:23] <apachelogger> \sh: my radio mic is br0ken
[14:23] <apachelogger> only have my mumble headset here
[14:23] <apachelogger> might sound kinda crappy :D
[14:23] <\sh> apachelogger: that's enough :)
[14:24]  * apachelogger is streaming on Radio Amarok :: Happy BDay \sh :: http://radio.getamarok.com:8000/amarok.ogg :: #amarok.radio
[14:24] <Jucato> yuriy: kio-apt improvements would be a good one for the next alpha
[14:24] <Riddell> this tune reminds me of the early knoppix CDs  :)
[14:25] <apachelogger> :D
[14:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: it still makes me feel that special feeling
[14:26] <apachelogger> proudness probably
[14:26] <\sh> lol-...you did it really
[14:27] <\sh> apachelogger: thx a lot :)
[14:28] <apachelogger> \sh: we are not there yet
[14:28]  * apachelogger writes a speech
[14:28] <\sh> Nightrose: btw...check mr. gobby and come around 19:30 to the zkm cinema :)after that it's time to visit la cage :)
[14:28] <Nightrose> \sh: hehe he is in zurich - debian bug sprint :/
[14:28] <Nightrose> left a few hours ago
[14:28] <\sh> Nightrose: oh...so you have to come :)
[14:29] <Nightrose> would love to but I really got a lot to do and I promissed apachelogger that we get to mumble tonight
[14:29] <Riddell> la cage?  sounds hardcore
[14:29] <Nightrose> Riddell: haha it is
[14:29] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:29] <\sh> Riddell: sportsbar...very nice girls :)
[14:29] <\sh> Riddell: and good food...especially the burgers :)
[14:29]  * Hobbsee raises an eyebrow
[14:29] <\sh> like client eastwood with a lot of chilis
[14:30] <\sh> Hobbsee: http://www.lacage.de/ :)
[14:30] <\sh> ROTFL
[14:30] <Riddell> ooh, there's a DJ
[14:30] <\sh> OH
[14:30] <Riddell> who's that?
[14:30] <Nightrose> Riddell: apachelogger
[14:30] <\sh> Riddell: apachelogger
[14:31] <\sh> THX A LOT
[14:31] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:31]  * apachelogger stands up and dances
[14:31]  * Nightrose grabs apachelogger and dances
[14:31]  * \sh is already dancing
[14:31] <Nightrose> \sh: join in!
[14:31] <Nightrose> love this song
[14:31]  * Hobbsee stays not dancing, and throws hard lollies at you all
[14:32] <Nightrose> outsch Hobbsee - what was that for? ;-)
[14:32]  * yuriy leaps over the dancers and dances
[14:32] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: because i can?
[14:32] <Nightrose> hehe I see
[14:32] <rebugger> lol
[14:32]  * \sh catches his C64 and gameboy and playing the tunes
[14:33] <\sh> the music is actualy played with a guitar, a gameboy and a c64...just as a hint...
[14:33] <\sh> nothing else...great stuff
[14:33] <rebugger> \sh: where can i hear it?
[14:33]  * Nightrose is listening to Elektronische Musik by paniq on Radio Amarok :: Happy Birthday \sh :: http://radio.getamarok.com:8000/amarok.ogg [Amarok]
[14:34] <Nightrose> there
[14:34] <rebugger> thx
[14:34] <\sh> rebugger: well it was thx to apachelogger on radio amarok
[14:34] <\sh> rebugger: but you can download the stuff on www.pornophonique.de
[14:34] <\sh> rebugger: CC lic
[14:35] <apachelogger> cc ftw!
[14:35] <\sh> CC use for non-commercial stuff ;)
[14:40] <apachelogger> what happened to good old jazz
[14:40]  * \sh needs to take a screenshot of the amarok OSD :)
[14:42]  * apachelogger starts singing
[14:43] <Riddell> german umpa music!
[14:43] <Hobbsee> ~order brain for apachelogger
[14:43] <gribelu> humm.. the launcher doesn't display icons for any kde4 apps
[14:43] <insanity> Hobbsee: We are out of brain, you should reorder some of it.
[14:43] <Hobbsee> ~reorder brain
[14:43] <insanity> Billy Kay is on his way to the store....
[14:43] <Riddell> is david hasslehoff in this?
[14:43]  * txwikinger2 suggests Mariachi
[14:43] <apachelogger> omg
[14:43] <apachelogger> ~hassle
[14:44] <apachelogger> hm, probably was something else
[14:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose knows
[14:44] <txwikinger2> Or tejano --- German umpa music with spanish words
[14:44] <Nightrose> Riddell: haha no - it is german ska
[14:44] <apachelogger> SKA
[14:44] <Nightrose> SKA ftw
[14:44] <apachelogger> we should do a music workshop
[14:44] <Nightrose> indeed
[14:44] <Nightrose> noone seems to know ska
[14:44] <apachelogger> next up: jazz
[14:44] <apachelogger> good old jazz
[14:44] <apachelogger> well, kind of at least ;-)
[14:45]  * apachelogger is streaming on Radio Amarok :: Happy BDay \sh :: http://radio.getamarok.com:8000/amarok.ogg :: #amarok.radio
[14:45]  * Nightrose tries to find out what the hasslehoff comand was - give me a sec
[14:45] <txwikinger2> classical jazz, or modern jazz?
[14:46] <apachelogger> txwikinger2: modern = electro jazz?
[14:46] <txwikinger2> modern like Manhattan Transfer
[14:47] <apachelogger> should I know manhattan transfer? :P
[14:47] <txwikinger2> yes :p
[14:47] <apachelogger> what is it?
[14:47] <Nightrose> apachelogger: I think insanity doesn't like me either now
[14:47] <txwikinger2> A modern jazz group
[14:47] <apachelogger> cool
[14:47] <apachelogger> txwikinger2: doing CC music?
[14:47] <txwikinger2> hmmm.. not that I know of ... missed that part
[14:48] <apachelogger> whatever
[14:48] <txwikinger2> where is CC music?
[14:48] <apachelogger> jamendo.com
[14:48] <apachelogger> magnatune.com
[14:48] <txwikinger2> Is it good?
[14:48] <apachelogger> it's CC :P
[14:48] <txwikinger2> :[
[14:48] <txwikinger2> :p
[14:49] <\sh> rotfl
[14:49] <\sh> lol
[14:49] <\sh> you don't actually know what happened just now
[14:49] <apachelogger> Ah Celebrate
[14:49] <\sh> a recruiter phoned me on  behalf of canonical
[14:49] <Nightrose> oO
[14:49] <txwikinger2> They have recruiter?
[14:50] <\sh> if I want to work for canonical ubuntu mobile develpoment...packaging stuff
[14:50] <Nightrose> \sh: this must be your lucky day ;-)
[14:50] <Jucato> woot :)
[14:50]  * apachelogger never gets phoned by anyone :|
[14:50] <\sh> Well, I said no :)
[14:50] <Jucato> aw....
[14:50] <buz> anyone else noticed that if you run kde3 apps from konsole, they use .kde4 settings and colors?
[14:50] <Jucato> that was... anti-climactic...
[14:51] <jpatrick> Jucato: did you want rain?
[14:51] <Jucato> snow... but that'd be impossible :)
[14:51] <txwikinger2> jpatrick: No.. already raining the whole day here
[14:51] <\sh> Riddell: try to get me from their list .. ;)
[14:51] <txwikinger2> show I would take
[14:51] <Riddell> \sh: er, huh?
[14:51] <jpatrick> txwikinger2: I have sun, lots of sun
[14:51] <Hobbsee> \sh: interesting...
[14:51] <Riddell> \sh: did he/she have a name?
[14:52] <Hobbsee> \sh: probably due to MOTUship
[14:52] <\sh> Riddell: it's the recruiter company of canonical..they saw that I did much work for ubuntu motu etc.
[14:52] <\sh> Riddell: I wonder where they got my number from
[14:52] <txwikinger2> phone book?
[14:53] <\sh> txwikinger2: not listed anywhere..but in xing
[14:53] <Hobbsee> \sh: linkedin?
[14:53] <\sh> Hobbsee: in linkedin i don't have a number listed...have I?
[14:53] <txwikinger2> you are usually listed on Deutsche Telecom
[14:53] <Hobbsee> \sh: unsure
[14:53] <\sh> but in xing I didn't opened up my contact details to anyone..only for special people
[14:54] <\sh> no number on linkedin
[14:54]  * txwikinger2 wonders uif he can hack /sh's phone number in 5 minutes
[14:54] <apachelogger> \sh: any special wish for last song?
[14:55] <txwikinger2> I could call my old buddy's at DT
[14:56] <\sh> grmpf...konversation crashed
[14:57] <\sh> apachelogger: I don't know if this works...but Shout it out loud from kiss ,-)
[14:57] <apachelogger> hm
[14:57] <apachelogger> I think I don't have that song on my HD
[14:57]  * apachelogger connects to the NAS
[14:59] <bobesponja> is there a way to make akregator open konqueror4.0 in a KDE 4.0 session?
[15:06] <apachelogger> \sh: 2 songs to go, it's backup session right now, so I have the slowest connection possible -.-
[15:07] <\sh> apachelogger: cool :)
[15:10]  * apachelogger is streaming on Radio Amarok :: Happy BDay \sh :: http://radio.getamarok.com:8000/amarok.ogg :: #amarok.radio
[15:10] <apachelogger> ~part
[15:12] <apachelogger> \sh: there you go :D
[15:12] <\sh> head bang..
[15:12] <\sh> cool apachelogger
[15:13] <uga> bobesponja: maybe (just maybe) if you open kcontrol, and set as default apps /usr/local/kde4.../
[15:13] <iRon> Riddell: i'm working on bullet-proof-x, and now have a problem with displayconfig.. it failes with exception if there is no ServerLayout section in xorg.conf file.
[15:14] <iRon> Riddell: do i need to look at displayconfig and patch it?
[15:14] <\sh> NEIN
[15:14] <\sh> LOL
[15:14] <apachelogger> :D
[15:14] <bobesponja> uga: thanks
[15:14] <\sh> hahaha
[15:14] <apachelogger> Mr. president!
[15:15]  * \sh hugs apachelogger 
[15:15] <apachelogger> :)
[15:15] <Riddell> iRon: mm, sounds like it would need a bug fix
[15:15] <apachelogger> \sh: have a nice birthday :)
[15:16] <iRon> Riddell: there is already filled bug #173768
[15:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173768 in kde-guidance "The module Monitor & Display could not be loaded." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173768
[15:17] <iRon> Riddell: i could fix it if no one working on it..
[15:18] <Riddell> iRon: I'm quite certain nobody will be
[15:18] <iRon> ok
[15:19] <alleeHol> \sh: Happy birthday!
[15:24] <jpatrick> \sh: herzlichen glückwunsch!
[15:27] <Riddell> tsk to \sh, Kubuntu has lower case u
[15:27] <apachelogger> hehe
[15:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: can you please initate a dragonplayer backport to gutsy?
[15:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: could do, have you tested it?
[15:28] <Riddell> seele: cheeky request there from young jono
[15:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: should build just fine, but if you want I'll kick off a pbuild
[15:29] <jpatrick> apachelogger: if it builds, +1 from me
[15:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: nah, I'm in a mood for some risk
[15:30] <apachelogger> ok
[15:30] <apachelogger> risk++ :D
[15:30] <apachelogger> ah, insanity left already
[15:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: although it might be better to ask stdin to throw it into the PPA
[15:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, both maybe
[15:30] <apachelogger> stdin: pling
[15:36] <seele> Riddell: lol.. if it weren't so damn difficult to keep up I would still have it :)
[15:39] <\sh> Riddell: when I want to include Kubuntu and Ubuntu people I always write KUbuntu :)
[15:39] <\sh> allee: jpatrick: thx :)
[15:54] <\sh> ok...time to leave the pc alone :)
[15:54] <\sh> thx to all for the fun:) cu later :)
[15:59] <jpatrick> willkommen zurück Nightrose
[16:00] <Nightrose> ;-)
[16:00] <Nightrose> just installed all the goodies kde4.core does not install
[16:00] <Nightrose> wohooooo
[16:00] <jpatrick> installed kde4?
[16:01] <jpatrick> that should have grabbed the rest
[16:01] <Nightrose> jep most of it - but IIRC the plasma stuff for example was not
[16:03] <serzholino> hi! Can someone please tell me command to just apply patches from debian/ dir without building packages
[16:04] <serzholino> package is kde4libs_4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1
[16:04] <jpatrick> serzholino: debian/rules apply-patches
[16:05] <serzholino> jpatrick: thanks a lot :)
[16:14] <jeroenvrp> 1. should http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdepim-kde4/ not be removes, because kdepim is not released for 4.0?
[16:14] <jeroenvrp> 2. How to disable the old kde4 packages in Gutsy?
[16:15] <jpatrick> jeroenvrp: removing them?
[16:15] <jeroenvrp> jpatrick: no, to disable to original shipped kde4 packages in the package-list
[16:16] <jpatrick> jeroenvrp: oh, those are frozen, don't think we can...
[16:17] <jeroenvrp> version 3.94
[16:17] <jpatrick> updated in backports
[16:17] <jeroenvrp> can be confusing for people who want use gutsy
[16:17] <jeroenvrp> jpatrick: ?
[16:18] <jpatrick> jeroenvrp: we cannot update the packages in gutsy (archives are frozen (security/critical updates only)) so we've put them in backports
[16:19] <jpatrick> jeroenvrp: and for kdepim, I think the versions will conflict on those packages
[16:20] <jeroenvrp> ok
[16:22] <jeroenvrp> jpatrick: is there not an option to hide those packages?
[16:22] <jeroenvrp> or is that long apt-get story
[16:23] <jpatrick> jeroenvrp: no, PPA does not support packages removals
[16:23] <jeroenvrp> oh well, ok
[16:24] <jeroenvrp> installing kde4 is for the technical advance anyway, so it doesnt matter for me
[16:24] <jpatrick> pity, I know
[16:27] <nixternal> mornin'
[16:28] <jpatrick> moin nixternal
[16:28] <Jucato> moin nixternal!
[16:34] <jpatrick> guys, bit of help in #kubuntu with the n00bs?
[16:58] <nixternal> OK, where are the LiveCDs? Time to wipe this laptop :p
[16:58]  * nixternal is scared
[16:58] <stdin> apachelogger_: pong
[17:00] <apachelogger_> stdin: already solved, thanks :)
[17:00] <nixternal> man, there has got to be a ton of KDE 4 image downloads right now, or....ubuntu.com is slow as all hell today
[17:00] <_Shade_> hi there
[17:01] <nixternal> howdy
[17:01] <stdin> apachelogger_: good good, it's nice to have nothing to do :)
[17:01] <nixternal> stdin: why are we all just standing here looking around? we have work to do!
[17:01] <apachelogger_> stdin: especially on such a wonderful day like today :D
[17:01] <apachelogger_> nixternal: work?
[17:01] <nixternal> Microsoft went under?
[17:01] <apachelogger_> on KDE 4 day
[17:01] <apachelogger_> are you totally insane
[17:01] <nixternal> oh KDE 4
[17:01] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[17:01]  * apachelogger_ points his finger on nixternal
[17:02] <stdin> I just got to watch TV for a few hours, haven't actually done that in weeks :p
[17:02] <DreadKnight> why is the font of konversation so damn small (running kde4)
[17:02] <_Shade_> i'd like to ask can we, kubuntu users count on something more than just 4.0 (i mean kde) in hardy release. I find it's cool and good signing but very incomplete as well. I think it would leave users way behind regular ubuntu users
[17:02] <nosrednaekim> DreadKnight: it looks the same
[17:02] <nixternal> _Shade_: KDE 3.5.8?
[17:03] <nixternal> it is there too
[17:03] <dewd> Hi does anyone know where to get an updated kdenetwork-filesharing package that fixes the stupid dfs proxy= no bugs ?
[17:03] <nixternal> dewd: do you have a link to a bug?
[17:03] <_Shade_> nixternal: but not by default right?
[17:03] <dewd> nixternal: moment
[17:03] <nixternal> your choice
[17:04]  * apachelogger_ is going to do a major patch session in kde4 packages
[17:04] <nixternal> you can either download and use 3.5.x or 4.0
[17:04] <apachelogger_> fix some .0 bug
[17:04] <apachelogger_> though
[17:04] <apachelogger_> maybe I should go to that lug meeting thingy
[17:04] <nixternal> heh
[17:04] <apachelogger_> or to that lan party
[17:04] <apachelogger_> hm
[17:04] <apachelogger_> oh well
[17:04] <Jucato> _Shade_: there will be 2 versions for 8.04, a KDE 3.5.x version and a 4.0.x version. the 4.0.x version will definitely need to have some KDE 3 apps in it
[17:05] <apachelogger_> it's kde 4 day
[17:05] <apachelogger_> holiday
[17:05] <apachelogger_> so I'll go out
[17:05] <Jucato> heh :)
[17:05] <_Shade_> nixternal: ah that's good :)
[17:05] <dewd> hmm only able to find an kubuntu bug i think
[17:05] <dewd> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdenetwork/+bug/95452
[17:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 95452 in kdenetwork "kde samba sharing doesn't work - remove msdfs proxy option in smb.conf" [Medium,Confirmed]
[17:06] <lextul> my next reinstall is when a hardy images come out with kde preinstalled
[17:06] <_Shade_> Jucato: the kde4.0.x sounds better as well :) they might improve a lot of things in the ~x release
[17:06] <dewd> I saw some patch somewhere that should fix it but I could not apply
[17:06] <DreadKnight> nosrednaekim: well? http://imagebin.org/12978
[17:06] <Jucato> _Shade_: don't get your hopes up too much. .x releases are mostly maintenance and bug fixes
[17:06] <Jucato> few new features...
[17:07] <lextul> my next reinstall is when a hardy images come out with kde 4.0 preinstalled
[17:07] <nixternal> dewd: guess today isn't a good day to look at the KDE bug tracker...I wonder whose idea that was
[17:07] <apachelogger> Jucato: in case of KDE 4.0 I'm really excited about .x releases :P
[17:07] <DreadKnight> damn small font in konversation issue :(( http://imagebin.org/12978
[17:07] <dewd> nixternal: what do you mean ?
[17:07] <apachelogger> .0 scares me
[17:07] <nixternal> bugs.kde.org is offline to celebrate KDE 4
[17:07] <Jucato> apachelogger: er.. I meant 4.x.x releases :)
[17:07] <nixternal> that is kind of annoying
[17:08] <apachelogger> Jucato: ha, no new features in 4.x?
[17:08] <dewd> apachelogger: I just installed it today but I am not using it .. plasma stuff is butt ugly
[17:08] <apachelogger> then kde4 is rather pointless :P
[17:08] <Jucato> KDE calls 4.0.x/3.5.x releases as "minor" releases... 4.x/3.x as "major"
[17:08] <nixternal> I would like to see the fix and see if it is going to be released with another 3.5.x point release (3.5.9) or if we should patch it from source
[17:08] <Jucato> apachelogger: new features will be in the 4.x releases.
[17:08] <apachelogger> nixternal: I told you
[17:08] <apachelogger> today is a holiday
[17:08] <nixternal> 4.0.x though will at least have added functionality
[17:08] <apachelogger> no ***** work!
[17:09] <nixternal> bah, I will go find work then
[17:09] <Jucato> :D
[17:09] <apachelogger> Oo
[17:09] <nixternal> maybe Gnome needs help :p
[17:09]  * nixternal dies
[17:09]  * apachelogger throws his party head at nixternal
[17:09] <apachelogger> *hat
[17:09] <nixternal> haha
[17:09] <apachelogger> awful that guy, total workoholic
[17:09] <nixternal> damn, threw an entire head at me
[17:09] <nixternal> if I don't do something I just might shrivel up
[17:10] <apachelogger> nixternal: play some kdegames-kde4
[17:10] <nixternal> and seeing that KDE SVN is totally saturated right now and cdimage.ubuntu.com is wasted, I need to do something
[17:10] <nixternal> knetwalk!
[17:10] <apachelogger> have a look at the stars
[17:10] <nixternal> that is my game
[17:10] <apachelogger> or the earth
[17:10] <apachelogger> nixternal: mine too :d
[17:10]  * apachelogger played it while school today
[17:10] <nixternal> I also like some of the new board games as well
[17:10] <apachelogger> the new games all rock imo
[17:11] <nixternal> I never liked kdegames in the past really, and honestly haven't had them installed on my box in quite a few years
[17:11] <nixternal> actually, I don't even have any games installed on my machines :)
[17:11] <nixternal> all about work man
[17:11] <_Shade_> Jucato: well, we'll have to wait for kubuntu+2 to get usable kde4 then... :) but anyways... i wouldn't be very mad if i could get 3.5.8 next release. Generally all i would like to see is more ubuntu compatible distro
[17:11] <apachelogger> -.-
[17:11] <nixternal> hopefully a 3.5.9 :)
[17:12] <apachelogger> nixternal: now you just have to tell me that you have no p0rns and I'll send Nightrose over for a therapy
[17:12] <nixternal> no pr0n either
[17:12] <nixternal> pr0n is old and boring
[17:12] <apachelogger> omd!
[17:12] <Nightrose> oO
[17:12] <apachelogger> Nightrose: therapy!!!!
[17:12] <nixternal> I went through that faze 15 years ago
[17:12] <_Shade_> what about the policykit thingy? are you going to use that for kubuntu too?
[17:12] <apachelogger> _Shade_: it's planed
[17:12] <apachelogger> but not before hardy+1
[17:12] <Nightrose> nixternal: I put you on my list for therapy - you get ticket #352
[17:13] <Nightrose> :P
[17:13] <nixternal> I thought policykit was already in place...if it isn't, we are behind then
[17:13] <apachelogger> nixternal: prioirty push plz
[17:13] <nixternal> lol
[17:13]  * nixternal checks it out for Kubuntu
[17:13] <apachelogger> very good
[17:13] <apachelogger> and
[17:13] <nixternal> I just uploaded it not long ago for foresight
[17:13] <apachelogger> don't tell me!
[17:13] <apachelogger> I weil have to eat your shorts
[17:13]  * apachelogger is wondering what weil woudl mean in english
[17:13] <Jucato> !policykit
[17:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about policykit - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:14]  * Jucato has no idea about these *Kit things...
[17:14] <apachelogger> kit++
[17:14] <_Shade_> asking because the only thing i could read today in the "new in hardy alpha 3" section was: KDE4.0.0 :)
[17:14] <apachelogger> "get me home kit"
[17:14] <Jucato> _Shade_: the page was unfinished by the time alpha 3 went out
[17:14] <nixternal> also because there wasn't anything else really new for alpha 3
[17:15] <nixternal> we will go into bug squashing mode here in the next few weeks I am assuming
[17:15] <_Shade_> Jucato: you mean there's something more than just new kde in alpha3? how cool :)
[17:15] <Jucato> _Shade_: nixternal said so
[17:15] <nixternal> I didn't say anything :)
[17:15] <nixternal> I got my first release note break in 2 years, very much needed
[17:16] <iRon> _Shade_: i believe that nobody working right now on PolicyKit implementation in KDE
[17:16] <nixternal> weird how something so easy can burn you out
[17:16] <dewd> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/95460
[17:16] <Jucato> _Shade_: understandable though... they were *very* busy with kde4 packages.. or would you rather they focused on the release notes instead? :D
[17:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 95460 in samba "samba 3.0.24 on feisty is broken - msdfs proxy option broken (dup-of: 95452)" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[17:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 95452 in kdenetwork "kde samba sharing doesn't work - remove msdfs proxy option in smb.conf" [Medium,Confirmed]
[17:16] <dewd> it seems it is _VERY_ old already
[17:16] <dewd> Why would something like this happen ?
[17:16] <Jucato> _Shade_, nixternal: although if I had been sane during these days, I would have suggested that Tonio's work on kio-apt be added
[17:17] <nixternal> that had been added previously I thought
[17:17] <nixternal> alpha 2 maybe
[17:17] <Jucato> can't find it :)
[17:17] <Jucato> no alpha 1, no alpha 2 :)
[17:17] <nixternal> there is a policykit implementation for KDE...there are a few distros already using it
[17:18] <_Shade_> iRon: i was just curious, i think i can live without PolicyKit... but anyways
[17:18] <nixternal> Fedora (HAL only right now I think), Pardus, Foresight
[17:19] <nixternal> Red Hat is actually the one working on it I believe
[17:19] <_Shade_> well i think kubuntu suffers a lack of good administratibve applications known from gnome... the point is all i can do is draw so i can draw them :P
[17:20] <Jucato> hm...
[17:20] <Jucato> s/gnome/ubuntu/
[17:20] <yuriy> _Shade_: drawing them wouldn't be useless
[17:20] <nixternal> what can you admin in ubuntu that you can't admin in kubuntu? I don't use Ubuntu and don't pay attention to it
[17:21] <yuriy> if somebody is gonna implement them, they need to know what to implement
[17:21] <Jucato> ask Hobbsee then :P
[17:21] <nixternal> ouch
[17:22] <nixternal> So whoever cries for an emerge backend for PackageKit shouldn’t use Gentoo in the first place!
[17:22] <nixternal> lol, liquidat rocks!
[17:23] <_Shade_> Jucato: nixternal i mean such apps like adept etc. I do not use them as well since they are rather unusable :) but what about the newcomers who ran it for the first time?
[17:23] <Jucato> _Shade_: work on Adept is progressing
[17:23] <nixternal> actually adept is quite usable, I just don't like it...I have been using aptitude for more than 10 years
[17:24]  * Jucato needs to blog again tomorrow...
[17:24] <_Shade_> Jucato: really? can i see any changelog then?
[17:24] <nixternal> you can also install Synaptic in Kubuntu quite easily and use it
[17:24] <Jucato> _Shade_: no. I don't want to show you
[17:24] <_Shade_> or something more about it
[17:24] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[17:24] <nixternal> read the Planet!
[17:24] <Jucato> j/k... there's no changelog yet..it's in the very early process of porting to KDE4 and redesign
[17:24] <nixternal> yuriy just posted a blog post about it within the past day or so
[17:24] <yuriy> _Shade_: drawings of what you would consider usable for adept are welcome
[17:24] <nixternal> oh wait, there are a bunch of KDE 4 posts now so it might not be there :p
[17:25] <Jucato> nixternal: that's the problem why I don't want to blog yet... oversaturation :(
[17:25] <nixternal> oversaturate it, forget them gnomites
[17:25] <Jucato> lol
[17:25] <nixternal> when gnome releases .x you see nothing but smelly feet all over the planet
[17:26] <_Shade_> yuriy: well i think whole of its gui should be reconsidered and redesigned
[17:26] <nosrednaekim> yuriy: I personally like synaptic's gui.
[17:26] <nixternal> Jucato: then again, I guess we really shouldn't snoop to their level
[17:26] <Jucato> nixternal: their level? that's ground level right? :)
[17:26] <Jucato> smelly feet :)
[17:27] <nixternal> Jucato: they are in the basement with MS and .NET throwing darts at a Stallman poster
[17:27] <voonte> _Shade_: why not design a ui file with the QtDesigner with some suggestions?
[17:27] <yuriy> nosrednaekim: last i tried it i didn't like it. mostly the search feature. search should be the foremost part of the package manager, as it is in adept and kynaptic
[17:27] <yuriy> adept just goes a little too far with it imho
[17:28] <_Shade_> voonte: well i have never did that before (just playing around with it) but why not?
[17:28] <nosrednaekim> yuriy: I agree, the search bar should be like it is in adept_manager and most other kde apps.
[17:28] <Jucato> yuriy: I had a few UI ideas for my ideal package manager... I kinda lost them though...
[17:28] <nosrednaekim> but there are too many options for what to search for, etc
[17:28] <voonte> _Shade_: It's a good way to learn for sure :)
[17:28] <Jucato> never trust your brain...
[17:29] <nixternal> haha
[17:29] <yuriy> _Shade_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AdeptUsability unfortunately most of the pictures are missing, but new ones with new ideas would help
[17:29] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: that's actually good.. the bad part is that too much is exposed at once... quite overwhelming...
[17:29] <Jucato> sensory overload
[17:29] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[17:33] <yuriy> mornfall: so, if you're around and awake, my question was, what's the plan for the details view?
[17:35] <_Shade_> yuriy: just reading... but i think adding package management capabilities to konqueror would be enough.  Smooth and easy
[17:35] <Jucato> _Shade_: done
[17:36] <Jucato> Hardy will have a Konqueror-based "1 click" installer
[17:36] <_Shade_> Jucato: yeah i heard that it is planned for implementation. I need to download an iso to see it in action
[17:36] <Jucato> not planned. implemented already
[17:36] <Jucato> just needs a few more fixes and aesthetics
[17:37] <_Shade_> Jucato: great, does it allow to search for packages in the repos?
[17:37] <Jucato> of course
[17:37] <Jucato> you remember apt:/ in Konqueror?
[17:38] <_Shade_> Jucato: indeed
[17:38] <Jucato> you can search, and then click on the Install button to install
[17:38] <Jucato> or you can directly install with apt://<packagename>
[17:39] <_Shade_> Jucato: but is it an option in menubar or konqueror start page or how does it looks actually?
[17:39] <Jucato> basically it still looks the same apt:/
[17:39] <Jucato> it just launches adept_batch to do the dirty work
[17:40] <nosrednaekim> does the apt:/ kioslave work with kde4?
[17:41] <Jucato> haven't tested
[17:41] <_Shade_> Jucato: ah i see. Could be nice to have the option when starting konqueror, when the most common tasks are displayed (home, storage, etc)
[17:41] <Jucato> maybe... :)
[17:41] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: oh it hasn't been ported to KDE4 yet iirc
[17:41] <mornfall> yuriy: Hi.
[17:42] <_Shade_> Jucato: but it is a pretty big progress anyways
[17:42] <mornfall> yuriy: Well, probably something akin to what's been in Adept 2.x.
[17:42]  * Jucato waves to mornfall :)
[17:45] <_Shade_> mornfall might be a bit dissapointed about the adept complains again and again :)
[17:45] <mornfall> yuriy: Hm?
[17:45] <mornfall> Er.
[17:45] <mornfall> That was to _Shade_
[17:45] <mornfall> .
[17:47] <mornfall> Well, dinner.
[17:48] <mornfall> yuriy: Basically, what we have in adept now: dependencies, file list, possibly changelog... dunno. Tags.
[17:49] <_Shade_> mornfall: no i am just thinking about how to improve package management in kubuntu, so i had to point some bad things in adept
[17:50] <yuriy> mornfall: with the history thing, or just display the info for the currently selected package?
[17:50] <_Shade_> mornfall: i would prefer more simple interface, and leave all those ticks and radio buttons as an option
[17:51] <stdin> hmm, 100 users in -devel, not bad :)
[17:52] <nosrednaekim> :)
[17:52] <yuriy> mornfall: i meant more of how it is brought up and whether to have the back/forward buttons. content is mostly obvious or at least can be added later easily
[17:53] <yuriy> also i updated/pulled and am now getting linking errors
[18:09] <mornfall> yuriy: What kind of linking error?
[18:10] <yuriy> mornfall: nevermind, fixed it. make clean wasn't enough cleaning up i guess
[18:11] <mornfall> yuriy: I do out-of-tree builds as a matter of rule.
[18:12] <mornfall> CMake produces a lot of mess in the build directory.
[18:12] <yuriy> mornfall: yep i was too, just had to delete the cmake stuff and run it again
[18:12] <yuriy> anyways, about details behavior
[18:13] <mornfall> Right.
[18:17] <yuriy> i personally found the back/forward thing in the details view confusing.  I would be fine with just having it show details for the currently selected package (the only you clicked details for..) but i don't know if other people find the history feature useful
[18:17] <yuriy> s/only/one
[18:18] <mornfall> Well, it is basically essential for the dependency navigation usecase.
[18:18] <mornfall> Which is a nontrivial part of what details view is for.
[18:20] <yuriy> ah.
[18:21] <mornfall> I was considering to change that to a "trail" view, which would list all (recently) visited packages.
[18:22] <yuriy> a thought: maybe only keep history for items entered through the details view
[18:22] <mornfall> Dunno.
[18:22] <Jucato> breadcrumb bar like Dolphin's?
[18:22] <mornfall> Breadcrumbs don't solve that.
[18:23] <yuriy> although it would be a neat (albeit bizarre) way to view a dependency tree
[18:23] <Jucato> I thought that was what you meant by the trail view :)
[18:23] <mornfall> Once I even had a tabbed view for the details... But dunno about that as well.
[18:23] <mornfall> yuriy: Dependencies do not form a tree, mind you.
[18:24] <mornfall> Jucato: List of recently visited items is a different concept from breadcrumbs, as far as I can tell.
[18:24] <Jucato> aaah
[18:25] <bddebian> Heya
[18:25] <yuriy> mornfall: my thoughts on the details view from a while ago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/82428
[18:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 82428 in adept "adept details view usability" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[18:26] <mornfall> Looking.
[18:27] <yuriy> half of that is already solved though
[18:27] <yuriy> sounds like nixternal couldn't figure out the back/forward buttons either
[18:29] <mornfall> Bleh.
[18:30] <nixternal> yuriy: nah, I just commented/confirmed on that one....I never really paid attention to them honestly
[18:30] <nixternal> been a while since I commented on that I think
[18:42] <jjesse> wow 6.9 kb/s download on alpha3 for hardy from cdimage.subuntu.com
[18:42] <jjesse> that's awesome speed
[18:42] <stdin> almost dial-up speeds
[18:45] <stdin> wow, my post to kubuntu-users got 30 replies so far :p
[18:47] <mornfall> ...
[18:48] <TheInfinity> hmm
[18:48] <TheInfinity> cd images servers have problems atm, hmm?
[18:49] <TheInfinity> is there any way to get it via bittorrent?
[18:49] <TheInfinity> kubuntu alpha3?
[19:00] <mhb> heh
[19:00] <mhb> have you checked bugs.kde.org today?
[19:04] <stdin> "bugs.kde.org is temporarily offline to celebrate KDE 4.0.0 launch." heh :)
[19:07] <blueyed> sweet. good tactic to not get too many bug reports.. ;)
[19:07] <mhb> well, I find it a bit ... cowardly
[19:08] <stdin> the're setting it up for kde4 (or so I've heard)
[19:13] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/kdepimpin.png
[19:13] <nixternal> haha
[19:14] <mornfall> yuriy: So, ideas?
[19:15] <mhb> stdin: they should have written it there, this way it just confuses people
[19:23] <yuriy> mornfall: i'll work on implementing the basic view and meanwhile i'll think about it. just wanted to know if you had any intentions.
[19:24] <yuriy> mornfall: other question: are there going to be columns/headings in the list view?
[19:24] <jjesse> interesting using updated 4.0.0 packages, i can't authenticate via konqueror kde4 to my outlook web access site for work
[19:24] <mornfall> yuriy: No, probably not. But I will eventually add a sorting combo.
[19:25] <mornfall> yuriy: As for history, don't worry about it just yet.
[19:26] <mornfall> yuriy: Just make sure that you give an interface to: show package (using ept::Token) and update view.
[19:29] <mornfall> yuriy: Do you have a working preview in your checkout?
[19:30] <mornfall> (Well, either way probably pull ept...)
[19:31] <mornfall> I'll probably go offline in a while and work on "apply changes".
[19:34] <mornfall> yuriy: It would also be good, if you could grab http://anna.fi.muni.cz/~xrockai/icons.tar.gz and figure how to put them into source and install them properly. I currently have them under ~/.kde/share/apps/adept_manager/ to get them in the appp.
[19:34] <mornfall> yuriy: The bit that looks for them is under adept/util.h, scaledIcon( ... )
[19:35] <mornfall> yuriy: You can twiddle with both to make them reasonably installable and loadable. The icons should be proportional to font size.
[19:35] <mornfall> (That is what scaledIcon does.)
[19:36] <mornfall> I am off the network for today I suppose, see you tomorrow : - ).
[19:40] <yuriy> mornfall: ok, bye
[19:41] <yuriy> mornfall: and yes, preview works
[19:47] <mhb> mornfall: no, ty ikonky by mohly bejt lepsejsi...
[19:47] <mhb> :o)
[19:50] <iRon> mhb: which icons? ;)
[19:51] <mhb> the ones he mentioned a few minutes ago
[19:52] <iRon> mhb: polski majzhe jak ukrainsky :))
[19:53] <mhb> iRon: česky, actually :o)
[19:53] <iRon> oh :)
[20:14] <mhb> Riddell: there's something rotten in the state of amarok hardy (again the Hamlet quote)
[20:15] <mhb> Riddell: amarokapp: error while loading shared libraries: libtag.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:15] <mhb> Riddell: that means it counts on some library that is not a dependency of amarok (otherwise I'd have it)
[20:16]  * jpatrick has an error with Konqueror KDE4 settings
[20:17] <jpatrick> "Shared library was not found.Library not found"
[20:17] <nixternal> we will have to create a symlink to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu to /usr/lib/kde4/share/doc/kde/HTML/en
[20:17] <danimo> something is horribly broken about konquerors kcm's
[20:17] <danimo> can anyone confirm?
[20:17] <danimo> (KDE 4 packages)
[20:18] <jpatrick> danimo: what I just said?
[20:18]  * danimo reads up
[20:18] <danimo> jpatrick: oh, indeed :)
[20:18] <danimo> jpatrick: sorry :)
[20:18] <Nightrose> mhb: you are right - I will investigate that with apachelogger later today
[20:18] <Nightrose> mhb: I think it might be a problem of amarok file tracking -
[20:19] <jpatrick> danimo: no problems. Confirmed :)
[20:19] <Nightrose> mhb: ohh you mean package wise broken... - well then not the same ;-)
[20:19] <danimo> and neither cookies nor flash work forme
[20:19] <jpatrick> yes, I was looking for the cookies for gmail
[20:19] <mhb> Nightrose: it is a missing library, so my bet is on packages
[20:20] <Nightrose> mhb: yea - we had a few problems of people missing their libraries - fixed by a rescan though
[20:20] <Nightrose> collection even
[20:21] <jpatrick> danimo: I'm installing kde4-core, see if that does something
[20:21] <mhb> Nightrose: yes, this is a missing dynamic library file, so something different
[20:21] <danimo> jpatrick: that's the old package
[20:21] <danimo> jpatrick: no?
[20:22] <danimo> 3.95 or such
[20:22] <nixternal> jpatrick: site back and enjoy lunch and dinner...repos are being hammered it seems
[20:22] <jpatrick> danimo: it's a metapackage we made to place in the basic install of kde4
[20:22] <jpatrick> nixternal: I've had dinner ;)
[20:23] <nixternal> time for a snack and maybe a nap then :)
[20:23] <danimo> jpatrick: if I install some of those metapackages, I get one single blob (IIIRC I tried to install kde4base)
[20:23] <nixternal> just need to get effects working on my crappy ati card
[20:23] <danimo> jpatrick: and it conflicts, because it says it's from KDE 3.95 or 6
[20:23] <jpatrick> danimo: hey it fixed it here...
[20:23] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: old enough for open source drivers?
[20:23] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: Radeon 9700
[20:23] <danimo> ok..
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: ummm is that old enough?
[20:24] <nixternal> Driver "ati"  <- aren't those the opensource drivers there?
[20:24] <mhb> ah, nosrednaekim, just my kind of guy
[20:24] <jpatrick> danimo: try installing kdebase-kde4
[20:24] <danimo> looks indeed pretty basic :)
[20:24] <mhb> nosrednaekim: how goes progress on that compiz configuration?
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> mhb: why thanks :)
[20:24] <danimo> jpatrick: yupp, I know
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> mhb: working great
[20:24] <danimo> (now :)
[20:25] <jpatrick> Unable to communicate with the cookie handler service.
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> mhb: got some little things to tweak... so that it knows what state compiz is in when you start it
[20:27] <ryanakca> mhb: pong?
[20:27] <mhb> nosrednaekim: there's an idea I wanted to discuss with you later
[20:28] <nosrednaekim> mhb: ok.... anytime
[20:29] <nixternal> I take it kdm-kde4 doesn't work?
[20:29] <nixternal> I get a critical error with it
[20:29] <mhb> ryanakca: how's the website progress?
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: for some it seems to
[20:29] <mhb> ryanakca: last I remember you were pondering about pinging the planet for mockups and suggestions
[20:29] <ryanakca> mhb: I thought I was supopsed to poll planet?
[20:29] <ryanakca> mhb: yes... I'm about to do that, unless we've had a change of heart?
[20:29] <mhb> well, no :o)
[20:29] <jpatrick> nixternal: it's "borked" basically
[20:30] <mhb> I just haven't seen the post for a few days, so I thought you had a change of heart
[20:31] <ryanakca> mhb: no, I had bagpipes on wednesday, and then last night I had to projects to finish for today :)
[20:31] <mhb> ah
[20:31] <ryanakca> mhb: give them a week to submit them?
[20:31] <mhb> them?
[20:31] <ryanakca> s/to/two
[20:31] <ryanakca> give the planet two weeks to submit the mockups?
[20:31] <mhb> okay.
[20:31] <ryanakca> or one?
[20:32] <mhb> Riddell: false alarm, must have been a broken library on my part, sorry.
[20:32] <mhb> two
[20:35] <ryanakca> okies
[20:37] <mhb> nosrednaekim: regarding that idea
[20:37] <nosrednaekim> mmhm
[20:37] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I've been thinking how can you make creating new guidance modules really fast
[20:38] <mhb> nosrednaekim: if you reduced one module to editing a config file (that's quite common) then all you need to do is a) create the UI b) write the write config/read config part
[20:39] <nosrednaekim> yes...
[20:39] <mhb> I was wondering whether a script, much like kdepyuic, could load an .ui file and a metadata txt file (with possible options and explanations) and it would result in a functional guidance module, without just the read() and write() functions
[20:40] <mhb> so all the programmer has to do is write the parser for the config file
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> sounds interesting.
[20:41] <mhb> nosrednaekim: do you have opensuse install by any chance?
[20:42] <mhb> or some live CD you can launch YaST from
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> mhb: no
[20:42] <mhb> hmm, too bad
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> I last used that like 2 years ago
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> not any recent version,.no
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> but I could probably get one.
[20:42] <mhb> I'd like to see YaST now and see how much functionality does Kubuntu lack
[20:43] <mhb> because of my bandwidth limits, I can't just download a CD and check it out myself.
[20:43] <nosrednaekim> I'll get my dad to grab a liveCD
[20:44] <nosrednaekim> the PClinuxOS control center is nice as well.
[20:46] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I'll check out the web for screenshots
[20:46] <nosrednaekim> its the same as Mandriva's
[20:47] <mhb> never seen either
[20:47] <Riddell> sebas: could just be me but your hackergotchi on planet ubuntu is looking a bit tired today
[20:47] <nosrednaekim> major bug #1 of kde4/kubuntu integration. link kdesu to kdesudo!
[20:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[20:48] <sebas> Riddell: Nice catch. I didn't actually sleep much this week
[20:49] <sebas> I'll make up for that this weekend of course
[20:50] <sebas> You're probably still recovering from the early release party?
[20:51]  * nixternal misses Konsole transparency already
[20:51]  * jpatrick misses yakuake
[20:51] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: turn on desktop effects and you can have it back
[20:51] <nixternal> they are turned on
[20:52] <nixternal> what do I have to do to get konsole transparent?
[20:52] <sebas> nixternal: konsole --enable-transparency
[20:52] <mhb> change the theme I presume
[20:52] <sebas> With no konsole running :)
[20:52] <nixternal> let me try that...brb
[20:52] <jpatrick> mhb: no themes that I can see..
[20:52] <nixternal> and sebas you are my hero :)
[20:53] <nixternal> KDE 4 on Intel == <3
[20:53] <nixternal> just gotta shut off them annoying sounds :)
[20:53] <mhb> jpatrick: edit current profile, appearance ... you'll find it eventually
[20:53] <nixternal> and Kontact is rockin' in KDE 4...just gotta shut off this touch pad so I quit moving the mouse accidentally
[20:55] <jpatrick> mhb: thanks!
[20:56] <yuriy> nixternal: i haven't figured out how to make the konsole background transparent (or i did, and it doesn't work) but you could always change the opacity of the window
[21:12] <nixternal> yuriy: konsole --enable-transparency
[21:12] <nixternal> works like a champ
[21:19]  * blueyed finds transparent windows rather disturbing.. what transparency value are you using?
[21:29] <nixternal> 25%
[21:36] <jpatrick> Riddell: do we need to package any extragear stuff?
[21:38] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick: please do package the old style menu
[21:38] <jpatrick> hehe
[21:38] <Riddell> not a bad idea that, it's in playground
[21:39] <jpatrick> any tar?
[21:42] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick: I think its SVN ATM
[21:43] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: yes, I've just poked around websvn.* for it
[21:43] <nosrednaekim> its called "simplemenu"
[21:46] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: btw could you relink me to supercat?
[21:46] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: it got rejected..
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> why?
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> why was it rejected that is
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> http://supercat.nosredna.net should do it
[21:47] <jpatrick> I made a slight mistake on the copyright file... :)
[21:49] <blueyed> Riddell: is it  known already that the kde-system-settings icon is missing?
[21:49]  * blueyed hopes that kubuntu tracks the kde-4.0 branch closely.. :)
[21:56] <nixternal> jpatrick: the only extragear item left is ligature, and honestly it is a mess
[21:56] <nixternal> and since we have Okular, not having ligature isn't hurting my feelings :)
[21:57] <nixternal> bah, I am going to have to install Firefox so I can watch break.com
[21:57] <nixternal> darnit..I was hoping to stay away from that
[21:57] <jpatrick> nixternal: ok
[21:58] <nixternal> jpatrick: if you seriously want to work on it, grab from SVN as I uploaded the CMake fixes last night
[21:58] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: supercat source package made
[21:59]  * jpatrick fees to pbuilder
[22:00] <jpatrick> "nosrednaekim: supercat source package made"
[22:00] <nosrednaekim> :)
[22:02] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: now, let's see if pbuilder likes it
[22:02] <jpatrick> oh my, that was fast
[22:02] <nosrednaekim> its a tiny program
[22:09] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: supercat uploaded
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> :)
[22:11] <jpatrick> pbuilder and lintian both liked it
[22:12] <jjesse> if i was trying to troubleshoot we a kde4 session freezes whenever i do something with hig h disk activity where would i look/
[22:12] <jpatrick> nixternal: ligature appears to have no COPYING file (in svn at least)
[22:13] <nixternal> hrmm
[22:13] <jjesse> hello rich
[22:13] <nixternal> it doesn't have one in the tarball either
[22:13] <nixternal> howdy johnny boy
[22:13] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: arg, it's already in Deban
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick: yeah.. I know.
[22:14] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: ah well
[22:14] <nixternal> jpatrick: I wouldn't even waste my time on ligature honestly
[22:14] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: they just synced it across
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick: never mind the simple menu is already in the packages
[22:15] <jpatrick> ah, so all my work, is donde 8)
[22:15] <jpatrick> done*
[22:15] <jpatrick> nixternal: ok then :)
[22:28] <jpatrick> nixternal: well add a COPYING file with credit to me ;)
[22:28] <blueyed> http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=66
[22:38] <jpatrick> lo Tonio_
[22:39] <Tonio_> hi there
[22:39] <nixternal> hola Tonio_
[22:41] <jpatrick> http://tinyurl.com/2ftpj9 - hmm :(
[22:42] <nixternal> search KDE in either Google News or Digg
[22:42] <nixternal> nothing but KDE 4 stuff with Gnome, Windows, and Mac fan bois calling everyone names
[22:43] <nosrednaekim> haha
[22:44] <mhb> so the battle has begun
[22:44] <nosrednaekim> I like very much how kde4 is giving tons of press to kubuntu
[22:45] <mhb> Riddell: speaking of kde4 and kubuntu and live CDs... any ETA on that rejiggering thing?
[22:45] <jpatrick> http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9849110-39.html?tag=newsmap
[22:45] <jpatrick> end of third paragraph
[22:46] <mhb> like they say
[22:46] <mhb> there's no such thing as bad publicity
[22:51] <Riddell> mhb: I've not heard anything about it
[22:51] <Riddell> I'll ask
[22:52] <jpatrick> night everyone! see you at the meeting tomorrow
[22:53] <mhb> right
[22:56] <nixternal> bah, early meeting
[22:56] <nixternal> 05:00
[22:56] <nixternal> about the time I will be going to sleep
[22:56] <nixternal> anyone up for membership tomorrow?
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> i have to be up early anyway...
[22:57] <nosrednaekim> maybe I can drop in
[22:57] <nixternal> on a Saturday?
[22:57] <nixternal> I am going out tonight and partying like a KDE 4.0 Rockstar!
[22:57] <nixternal> now I got a pimp goblin that says KDE on its way
[22:57] <nixternal> I will be the Bishop Pimp Daddy
[22:58] <nixternal> is it me, or is Kontact in KDE 4 much faster than it is in KDE 3
[22:58] <nixternal> when it downloads email, it is silent in KDE 4, when it does it in KDE 3, I know it is happening
[22:59] <apachelogger> xRaich[o]2x: plinggggggggggggg
[22:59] <mhb> I thought kdepim is not in KDE4
[22:59] <xRaich[o]2x> apachelogger: pong
[22:59] <mhb> isn't kontact kdepim?
[22:59] <apachelogger> xRaich[o]2x: kopete got no jabber?
[22:59] <xRaich[o]2x> apachelogger: it works but only with english locals
[23:00] <mhb> apachelogger: kopete4 got jabber, pretty crashy though
[23:00] <apachelogger> mhb: well .1 ain't any better right now
[23:00] <xRaich[o]2x> apachelogger: kde4 went bonkers with german locals on my computer
[23:00] <apachelogger> xRaich[o]2x: screenie
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> I think KDE4 is giving k/ubuntu new users as well.
[23:01] <xRaich[o]2x> didn't take one but the protocols didn't show up when i wanted to add an account
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> seein as how we are one of the most prepared distros
[23:01] <xRaich[o]2x> i removed the german locals
[23:01] <xRaich[o]2x> but even after removing they did not show up
[23:01] <mhb> I wanted to congratulate Riddell on his really good work on the packages/live CD/ppa/backports
[23:02] <Riddell> moi?
[23:02] <mhb> I was always a bit ashamed when SUSE had a CD but Kubuntu had not even the packages built
[23:02] <mhb> (during the betas and rcs)
[23:02] <xRaich[o]2x> apachelogger: should i take one?
[23:02] <mhb> but this time, everything was ready, that was awesome, thanks Riddell
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> yeah... you guys really came out on top here.
[23:03] <apachelogger> xRaich[o]2x: yes
[23:04] <Riddell> the trick is to pretty much not use backports, it's far too slow
[23:04] <xRaich[o]2x> ok just let me save my current .kde4 give me a couple of minutes
[23:06] <nixternal> mhb: it is kdepim3
[23:06] <blizzzek> gn8
[23:06] <mhb> nixternal: so kontact is using the old kdepim, but has a new look?
[23:07] <nixternal> no, it has the same old look...it uses your settings from ~/.kde3
[23:07] <nixternal> even uses the icon theme I had in kde3
[23:07] <mhb> nixternal: but it is a KDE4 app
[23:07] <nixternal> kde3 app
[23:07] <mhb> hmm, I don't get it
[23:08] <mhb> so "Kontact in KDE4" you reffered to was actually "KDE3 Kontact run in a KDE4 session"
[23:09] <nixternal> yup
[23:09] <nixternal> I had kdepim4 working before the 4.0.0 release, but it was nothing more than a duplicate of kde3pim
[23:12] <xRaich[o]2x> apachelogger: do you have jabber?
[23:13] <xRaich[o]2x> i have the screenie
[23:13] <xRaich[o]2x> and with german locals i can't start krunner using alt+f2
[23:14] <xRaich[o]2x> simply doesn't show up
[23:14] <apachelogger> Oo
[23:14] <apachelogger> xRaich[o]2x: can I see the screeny?
[23:14] <wolfger> Hey you guys.... Happy K Day! Thanks for all the work you've done. KDE4 rocks!
[23:14] <apachelogger> Happy KDE 4 Day
[23:14] <xRaich[o]2x> apachelogger: sure gimme your jabber or whatever so i can send it. i have no webspace or whatsoever
[23:14] <apachelogger> -.-
[23:15] <apachelogger> xRaich[o]2x: use an image hosting service
[23:15] <apachelogger> my kopete4 has no transport stuff setup
[23:15] <apachelogger> so I can't recieve anything
[23:15] <xRaich[o]2x> narf
[23:15] <xRaich[o]2x> any suggestions?
[23:15] <apachelogger> xRaich[o]2x: google will know :P
[23:16] <xRaich[o]2x> a wait i could upload it to my obsolete myspace account. should work
[23:18] <xRaich[o]2x> apachelogger: http://a844.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/44/l_64ed2845dc16fa5406ef233b1a77c6d3.png
[23:19] <apachelogger> Oo
[23:19] <xRaich[o]2x> does it work`
[23:19] <apachelogger> xRaich[o]2x: and it does work when you run it in english?
[23:19] <xRaich[o]2x> ?
[23:19] <xRaich[o]2x> yep
[23:19] <apachelogger> Oo
[23:19] <xRaich[o]2x> don't ask me... i know it's weird
[23:20] <apachelogger> need to try
[23:20]  * apachelogger puts it on his list
[23:20] <xRaich[o]2x> save your config before you do it
[23:20] <xRaich[o]2x> the problem stays after removing the locals
[23:21] <apachelogger> ohhhhh
[23:21] <apachelogger> well
[23:21] <apachelogger> we will see :P
[23:21] <xRaich[o]2x> good luck ;)
[23:21] <apachelogger> thx
[23:22] <xRaich[o]2x> i heard that a lot of people don't have that problem. so i guess i'm the lucky one where everything goes horribly wrong ^^
[23:24]  * apachelogger agrees on that :P
[23:24] <xRaich[o]2x> so it works on your system?
[23:25] <xRaich[o]2x> did you add the language in systemsettings or did you just install the package?
[23:25] <apachelogger> xRaich[o]2x: nah, didn't try yet
[23:26] <xRaich[o]2x> ah ok
[23:26] <xRaich[o]2x> i'm just curious ^^
[23:27] <xRaich[o]2x> just for the protocol. i installed the package, told systemsettings to use it logged you, logged in again and voila
[23:27] <xRaich[o]2x> s/you/out
[23:28] <xRaich[o]2x> after logging out i had to restart the x server because my drivers seems to have some flaws
[23:29] <xRaich[o]2x> but i don't really think those 2 problems have anything to do with each other
[23:33] <nosredna_ekim> oh wow... the Kwin effects got way smoother
[23:35] <santiago-ve> guys... i gotta say it... you have done a GREAT work with kde4
[23:37] <xRaich[o]2x> they really did. and they did it fast :)
[23:37] <santiago-ve> im starting my jorney to help them to do such things :D...
[23:38]  * santiago-ve has a goa: Be a Kubuntu MoTu
[23:38] <santiago-ve> :p
[23:39] <nosredna_ekim> or in our case... MoTppa ;)
[23:39] <nosredna_ekim> s/our/stdin
[23:40] <santiago-ve> MoTppa?
[23:40] <xRaich[o]2x> master of the personal package archive ;)
[23:40] <santiago-ve> Oh!
[23:41] <nosredna_ekim> XD