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stdinflithm: well I'm going to update the package anyway, just to make sure00:00
sMonksegfault2k: One time I went so far as to taking a computer I bought from a store and when I was trying Gentoo I got a bad error, so i took my Windows disk that came with the machine and shot it with my shotgun.. lol Then I discovered Kubuntu00:00
segfault2kwhat can i do :(00:00
sMonkflithm: Take one small install... one small hope for Nerd kind00:00
flithmsMonk: :)00:00
sMonk:)00:01
segfault2kajajJAa lol!!!00:01
Zombocomhow do I fix the fact that control+alt+f1 shows me a blinking cursor00:01
sMonkTry control+ alt + f200:01
sMonk:)00:02
segfault2kdamn i can run every kde4 app from kde 3.5.8 but when i want to run kde4 from kdm, it just restart x server stdin u know what can i do? (sorry my english)00:02
segfault2kxD00:02
sMonkZombocom: what is it your trying to do?00:02
stdinsegfault2k: can you post the 1st 10 lines of /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde to pastebin and /var/log/Xorg.1.log if you have it00:03
segfault2kok! :D00:03
segfault2kstdin: http://stdin.pastebin.com/m7ff0b965 <-- startkde*00:04
stdinyou're using my pastebin huh? :p00:04
segfault2kyup! XD00:05
shadowhywindhay all this is a strange question whenever i type a space or tab in most windows i get a comma looking mark, any ideas on how to get rid of them?00:05
stdinsegfault2k: ok that looks fine, what about the Xorg.1.log?00:05
segfault2kits big file XD00:05
sMonkshadowhywind: explain "most windows"00:05
shadowhywindlike in kate, kedit, openoffice00:05
shadowhywindi can post a screen shot if it helps00:06
TheWhiteRookaren't those comma-type marks kinda like hidden characters?00:06
segfault2kstdin: but Xorg.1.log changes everytime that i start a new X session?00:06
hagabakahow do I configure the ntp daemon to synchronize the computer clock?00:07
shadowhywindprobley but not so hidden for me, hehe00:07
stdinsegfault2k: yeah, it's the log for display :100:07
TheWhiteRookshadowhywind: I get them too.00:07
TheWhiteRookI just ignore them...00:07
segfault2kthen i'll never get a "working" Xorg.1.log00:07
shadowhywindso do i , they don't really bother me so much, but it would be nice to not see them00:07
segfault2kbecause when i start a new kde4 session, x server, restart00:07
segfault2kxD00:07
stdinsegfault2k: it may show me what's happening00:08
segfault2ki know, but emm lemme think, i can startx and the ouput ove to a file?¿00:08
flithmstdin: when I try to install the kde4 package is says "depends: kdepim-kde4 but it is not going to be installed"00:08
segfault2klike startx 2> xorgkde4.log00:09
segfault2k?00:09
stdinsegfault2k: that'll start kde3, I need to see the kde4 one00:09
sMonkshadowhywind: Ok to fix this in Kate goto Settings - configure kate - editing: There un-check "show tabulators"00:09
sMonkTheWhiteRook: I guess this is for you too00:10
segfault2kbut i have in .xinitrc = exec /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde00:10
TheWhiteRookthanx, sMonk00:10
stdinsegfault2k: try it then00:10
shadowhywindOMG! that works!00:10
shadowhywindthanks sMonk00:10
sMonkYou will find similar options on the rest of your word editors00:10
flithmstdin: also many of the kde4 packages say version 3.93,, is that right?00:10
segfault2kok, that will freeze my session, but i'll reboot and send the log ok? stdin00:10
flithmerr 3.94 rather00:10
stdinsegfault2k: ok00:11
sMonkNp guys00:11
segfault2kdanke00:11
sMonkglad I can help00:11
stdinflithm: like I said, I'm updating it :)00:11
flithmstdin: gotcha no worries, what about the version on some of the kde packages... 3.94 okay?00:12
stdinflithm: not really, no, that's why I'm updating it00:12
flithmhahah okay00:12
sMonkLoL, the life of a test rat... lol00:13
wesleywhen would the stable kde4 realesed?00:13
sMonk4.8 lol00:14
stdin4.1 should be the "stable for all" release00:14
TheWhiteRookhahahha00:14
flithmheh00:14
biovorewhen it ready...00:14
TheWhiteRookany idea when that might be?00:14
sMonk;)00:14
wesleythere was a date was there?00:14
sMonkThey were "talking" April.. I believe... right stdin?00:14
wesleybut the first stable kde 4.0 would be in jan ?00:15
sMonkIf you look on KDE.org and fish around for the "release log"00:15
TheWhiteRookfirst "stable" release is tomorrow.00:16
sMonkI believe that the "4.1 stable release" is hoped for April..00:16
flithmTheWhiteRook: today actually for 4.1 :)00:16
sMonkthat or it's Hardy.. I can't remember all the numbers00:16
flithmTheWhiteRook: I meant 4.000:16
TheWhiteRookbut the first non-beta-alpha-or-rc is tomorrow00:16
flithmtoday00:16
stdinsMonk: something around there00:16
TheWhiteRooktomorrow for me, at least :P00:16
flithmTheWhiteRook: oh right... time zones :)00:16
TheWhiteRookyup00:17
TheWhiteRookthat great Canadian invention...00:17
Dr_willisHmm.. Been editing a wiki page  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/fusesmb   THEN i reaize after i got it done. it needs to be https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb to have a wiki-ish title.. :) is this imporntant?  or trivial? im not sure how to move the file over other then to make a new wiki page. cut/paste,, then just edit the old and delete everything.00:17
sMonkWhen i wrote code (yrs ago) stuff got done when I was done my college work, dringing beer, and watching "taseful" movies..00:17
flithmI don't think I can be bothered clicking all these packages to install... I'll wait for the meta package :)00:18
wesleyso today kde 4.0 will be released?00:18
flithmwesley: yeah you can actually install it right now if you want00:18
sMonkwesley: correct..00:18
TheWhiteRookbut it'll be buggy.00:18
flithmright00:18
TheWhiteRookcrawling with insects. :P00:18
Tm_TTheWhiteRook: buggy?00:18
wesleyhow can i install it than?00:19
sMonkbut if you want to wait a little longer, stdin is working on a "one shot distro install".. am I right so far stdin?00:19
TheWhiteRookmm I've heard that KDE4 will be buggy for Kubuntu00:19
flithmwesley: instructions are the exact same as the rc2 page: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php00:19
flithmTheWhiteRook: I doubt it's distro specific00:19
Tm_TTheWhiteRook: heard, right ;)00:19
wesleyi can use both kde3 and 400:20
sMonkflithm: Ya never know.. it's a risk we're all glad to take tho00:20
TheWhiteRookI tried RC2 a couple days ago, and it was working terribly.00:20
flithmwesley: yep00:20
segfault_stdin:00:21
wesleybut what with that one shot distro install ?00:21
stdinsMonk: yeah, I'm working on the "kde4" meta-package, it'll also have kde4-amusements kde4-core and kde4-devel meta-packages00:21
sMonkI was trying out the LiveCD.. it wouldn't even let me change the resolution.. lol00:21
flithmTheWhiteRook: doesn't mean 4.0 is gonna be the same.  I actually know someone personally who compiled it from source yesterday, and he said he used it for an entire day without any bugs, issues, or crashes00:21
sMonkstdin: You one busy guy00:21
segfault_stdin: http://stdin.pastebin.com/m7eba0acc00:21
sMonkor girl.. sorry00:21
stdinsMonk: nothing new there (and I'm a guy yes :p )00:21
sMonklol.. *whew*00:22
TheWhiteRookflithm: I hope you're right...00:22
sMonkstdin: made that mistake ONCE... wont do it again... (worst date ever.. LOL)00:22
flithmTheWhiteRook: well, personally I'm not holding my breath... I expect some issues, but we'll see I guess00:22
TheWhiteRookyes.00:22
wesleystdin the kde4 packs are they updated?00:23
TheWhiteRookhopefully we'll see something good... :P00:23
stdinsegfault_: try "startx :1" instead of just "startx"00:23
stdinwesley: very they are indeed00:23
segfault_stdin: ok!00:23
sMonkI guess the BEST thing you can do IF you want KDE 4.... is simply wait till 4.1 if you want WAY less issues... if you want to be part of "us rats" in the testing cages.. then grab a copy of 4.0 meta (when it's done) and giv'er00:23
wesleyits 4.0?00:23
stdinthey are 4.0.000:24
stdinby my clock it's Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:24:26 +0000, that makes it release day00:24
wesleywich server stdin i got dutch server on?00:24
TheWhiteRookIt's Thursday, Jan. 10, 19:25 for me00:25
sMonkLoL.. only Thursday 10Jan at 19:25 here00:25
Dr_willisIs there a ubuntu-wiki doc channel? Working on some wiki pages.. and wanting some feedback, and tips.00:25
TheWhiteRooksMonk: Hey! we're in the same time zone!00:25
stdinwesley: the kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA (see the link in the topic for SVN, it's the same repo)00:25
Dr_willis7:30 here :)00:25
sMonkTheWhiteRook: see THAT'S why 4.0 is buggy for us.. we havent hit the official release date yet.. lol00:25
TheWhiteRookhahhaa00:26
Dr_willisif <date>  >= $release_date then dontcrash()00:26
sMonkshut off computer.. goto bed.. get up and turn on and all will be good00:26
sMonkHAHAHAHAHA00:26
sMonkDr_willis: now THAT is some code I think I could use for A LOT of programs00:27
wesleyhttp://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3381/schermafdruk2vj2.png  this shows adept stid00:27
sMonksegfault2k: how'd things work out00:28
sMonk?00:28
segfault2ksame :(00:28
wesleyi get it i need to add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main00:28
stdinwesley: that's from gutsy-backports, not the PPA00:28
sMonkcraptackular00:28
segfault2kstdin same :(00:28
stdinsegfault2k: got the log for this time?00:29
segfault2keee noup :s!00:29
segfault2ki've screwed it?00:29
RozenfagHey guys, I have a quick question: I have Dapper installed on my laptop. I have Gutsy on a CD. Can I put the CD in and upgrade it?00:29
wesleystdin its takes some upgrades with it is it okay?00:29
stdinsegfault2k: you shouldn't have a new .1.log yet, just post that00:30
stdinwesley: yes, every package on there is meant for mass-distribution with KDE400:30
wesleyokay thanks00:30
SchuenemannRozenfag, you can, even though I prefer to install it from scratch00:30
SchuenemannI don't remember how exacly, though00:31
RozenfagI'm on dial-up right now, and it took hours to install the video drivers. I don't want to do that again if possible :P00:31
stdinRozenfag: no you can't, you'll have to go Dapper->Edgy->Feisty->Gutsy, skipping version is not supported00:31
segfault2kwhere is located that file?00:31
wesleylol xbox live got a day of yesterday i only did download on kubuntu00:31
Rozenfagah, alright. Thanks :)00:31
stdinsegfault2k: /var/log/Xorg.1.log00:32
wesleyRozenfag you could just download the live cd if you have a home you personal settings will be held just install everthing you need its a lot faster than yupgrading00:32
segfault2kdeprecated: /var/log/Xorg.1.log: No existe el fichero ó directorio00:33
stdinsegfault2k: can you try the Xephyr way of starting kde4?00:34
stdinsee the guide in the topic for how, but you'll need xserver-xephyr00:34
sMonkWell.. time to go spend some time with my wife, Catch you guys later.. stdin hope the package building goes well.. When I gome back I'll grab a copy of your meta pacage and give er' a whirrl00:35
sMonkgome - come00:35
stdinsMonk: by the time you come back you should be able to "sudo apt-get install kde4" :)00:35
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TheWhiteRooksee you later00:35
sMonkLoL.. in 5 MIN??? Really? lol.. j/k.. ok sounds good man. c'aio00:36
sMonkTheWhiteRook:  later00:36
stdinyes, in about 5 mins :)00:36
Tm_T:(00:36
stdinalready uploaded00:36
segfault2kstdin ok! i'll try00:36
sMonkdamn you work fast00:36
segfault2kbut a hint, when i try to run kwin-kde4 --replace in kde 3.5.8, X server restart again00:37
stdinsegfault2k: just a thought, do "mv ~/.kde4 ~/.kde4.backup" and try again00:37
Tm_TsMonk: nownow, there's no damnation, there's salvation (KDE4)00:38
lufthanzaany masters of xorg/3d acceleration in here?00:38
Tm_Tlufthanza: no without actual question00:38
segfault2kstdin kk! :)00:38
wesleystdin KDE4 ownt vista ( If you get it what i mean ? )00:39
lufthanzaI've got a geforce 4 mx, an integrated nvidia video card with shared memory.00:39
Schuenemannwesley, anything that isn't b0rked owns vista00:39
flithmstdin: you say the kde4 meta package is ready?00:39
stdinwesley: yeah, I was playing with it a few mins ago (1st chase I've had in a while) and it RocKs00:39
Tm_Twesley: Schuenemann: oh come on, this is supposed to be family friendly channel!00:39
SchuenemannTm_T, virus, intruders, spyware, trojan and adware aren't bad words00:40
lufthanzai've installed the proprietary nvidia drivers for it, and glxinfo reports direct rendering is a go, and glxgears works great, but then I try to open something that uses opengl...00:40
wesleystdin playing with vista or kde400:40
stdinflithm: let me check if it's propagated get00:40
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segfault2kstdin same :(00:40
Tm_TSchuenemann: oh but that V word is!00:40
lufthanzaand a blank screen/window greets me00:40
Schuenemannthat is just an acronym00:40
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lufthanzaany ideas?00:40
stdinwesley: KDE4 ofcource, I don't touch vista (unless I have to fix it for family)00:40
wesleylol  the same here00:41
TheWhiteRooksorry bout that... my battery ran out00:41
Tm_Toh boy00:41
Tm_Tforget the whole Vis-something, ok?00:42
wesleyKDE4 got the real WOW00:42
TheWhiteRookewwww premature, bloated microsoft crap..00:42
Tm_Twhat did I just said00:42
segfault2k;/00:43
NickPrestaDo any of the new KDE4 packages touch anything related to Python QT4?00:43
TheWhiteRookstdin: where's your KDE4 package?00:43
wesleyWOW is not from microsoft00:43
segfault2kWOW its from blizzard00:43
segfault2kxD00:43
wesleyBut from World Of Warcraft00:43
Tm_Tkids00:43
wesleyMicrosoft just steals00:43
segfault2kwhat would be the problem :(00:44
Tm_Twesley: no politics here, thank you00:44
segfault2ki can run every kde4 app :(00:44
TheWhiteRookwesley: sorry, I was talking about Vista00:44
wesleyokay but have to admit vista was cool XD but linux rocks00:44
Tm_T!ot00:44
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!00:44
stdinsegfault2k: try removing/purging  all kde4 packages and reinstalling it. something like "sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l|egrep '(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}')" then install the package the link in the topic says00:45
stdinTheWhiteRook: see the link in the topic, it says SVN/RC2, but they are 4.0.000:45
TheWhiteRookstdin: thanx00:46
lufthanzaanyone got any ideas on my problem?00:47
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segfault2kstdin00:47
segfault2kbash: egrep (4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9]): orden no encontrada00:47
segfault2k(its something like command not found, in english)00:47
TheWhiteRookdamn, I have to go again.00:47
TheWhiteRooksee you all later00:47
wesleystdin is amarok ready for kde4?00:47
stdinsegfault2k: copy & paste, it needs those single quotes00:47
segfault2ki've copy n pasted00:47
Tm_Twesley: no00:47
stdinwesley: no, it's not even out of alpha00:47
segfault2ksegfault@carboxile:~$ sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l|egrep'(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}')00:47
wesleyow so just use the kde3 version00:48
Tm_Tstdin: I'm off, have fun my young apprentice00:48
stdinTm_T: noo! don't leave me with this rabble :p00:48
wesleybut i had used once used i a early stage the kde4 amarok but it was not realy good the plasma thing00:48
Schuenemannstdin, when you're done, you can solve my GTK-font trouble lol00:49
stdinsegfault2k: apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l |egrep '(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}')00:50
flithmstdin: is there a way I can check for that kde4 package other than obsessively apt-get updating? :)00:50
stdinflithm: "apt-cache policy kde4", when it says "Candidate: 3~gutsy1~ppa1" it's ready00:50
flithmstdin: thanks :)00:51
d03boyhello kubuntu team!00:51
segfault2kstdin  it will remove my kde 3.5.8 xD!00:51
segfault2kbut doesn't matter D00:51
segfault2kxD00:51
d03boyI have an older version of kubuntu and I want to make WPA work on it without fussing with 9230423 things. How can I do such a thing?00:51
Dr_williswell older as in edgy. or older as in...00:52
d03boywhats the command to see?00:52
thomas_newbie__omg i can't get my printer to work....It is connected to my other windows xp machine00:53
Dr_willis!version00:53
ubotuTo find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell00:53
stdinsegfault2k: use "sudo aptitude remove $(dpkg -l |egrep '(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}') kdebase-bin-kde3+" instead00:53
d03boyits Dapper00:53
d03boy6.0600:53
d03boywhat order does it go in?00:53
stdindapper is currently the oldest supported version00:54
d03boywell then, I guess I should be supported00:54
d03boyi plan on upgrading as soon as I can back up my data, which I cant do until I get internet connection00:55
Dr_willisassuming the wireless card has any linux support at all.00:55
stdinhave a look at the wifi docs, they should help00:55
stdin!wpa00:55
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs00:55
thomas_newbie__should I use Samba to connect to my windows xp computer?00:55
flithmthomas_newbie__: yes00:55
d03boyDr_willis, its using the emulator thinger00:55
Dr_willisthomas_newbie__,  if you want to access the shares - yes. -  or use the fusesmb tools00:55
d03boystdin, ive lokoed before and they dont help00:56
thomas_newbie__flithm: i'm having trouble though00:56
stdinthomas_newbie__: you only need to install samba if you want windows clients to access shares on kubuntu, you don't need it to access windows shares00:56
flithmthomas_newbie__: what stdin said :)00:56
Dr_willisI got noidea what a emulator thinger is.. :) and i dont do wireless  much.. Gutsy came out and my wireless laptop started working.. woot. befor that - Never worked.00:56
thomas_newbie__stdin: ok so i should disable samba or uninstall it?00:56
d03boyDr_willis, ndis wrapper00:56
Artusðóñêèé ñàïîðò åñòü?00:57
stdinthomas_newbie__: which ever you want, if you don't need it remove it00:57
stdinArtus: ?00:57
Artusåñòü êóáóíòó 7.10 ìîæíî ëè ïðîèíñòàëèòü ñ æåñòêîãî äèñêà? îòñóòñòâóåòü ÑÄ00:57
d03boywell here's the thing... I'm using ndiswrapper and there's like 16 different documents that I dnot want to search through to figure out how not to set up WPA00:57
Dr_willisi just finished a wiki page on using fusesmb under ubuntu :) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb it lets you browse the windows network.00:57
d03boyive tried it before and I failed00:57
BraWearerGuy38BAny guys here like to wear bras?00:58
flithmthat was messed up00:59
acemostdin my favorite guy with too much knowledge bout linux =)00:59
d03boystdin, can I borrow some wpa knowledge00:59
stdind03boy: I don't use wpa, so I have none :)01:00
d03boycalling all wpa users!01:00
flithmd03boy: i use wpa201:01
thomas_newbie__stdin: the tutorials i'm reading says that I have to use samba http://www.watchingthenet.com/connecting-to-shared-printers-on-windows-computers.html01:02
flithmstdin: is there a way to download debs from the source where you guys upload them, before they get propagated?  this is ridiculous I feel like a kid on christmas morning01:03
stdinthomas_newbie__: it may be needed for printer sharing, but you didn't say you wanted to share printers ;) I have my windows client connect to my kubuntu box with IPP rather than the other way around01:04
Dr_willisHmm.. I think im using samba to share my printers.. or is it cups doing it.. i forget. :)01:04
Dr_willishes going the other way? windows has the printer, he wants linux to access it?01:05
stdinflithm: not really, we don't upload .debs, we upload the source packages an have the builders build them. they then get sent to the repository and you download them01:05
thomas_newbie__stdin: so i click on network printer tcp?01:05
flithmstdin: oh right... okay I'll shut up and be patient :)01:05
Dr_willisand then thers much dancing and partying!01:05
stdinthomas_newbie__: for using windows printers you need to use samba/smb connection01:06
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thomas_newbie__stdin: yea you told me i didn't need it if I was connecting to the windows printer :D01:06
seezercan anyone use suspend (ram|disk) with the new kde4 packages?01:06
stdinI said "thomas_newbie__: it may be needed for printer sharing, ...."01:07
wesleystdin why cant i use adept in kde401:07
stdinseezer: try it and see01:07
stdinwesley: you can't?01:07
seezerstdin: heh. it's not working for me. that's why i'm asking ;)01:07
wesleyno i cant its says my pass is wrong01:07
stdinprobably something with kdesu then01:08
wesleywhat are packs i should install i have read the instructions01:08
seezerwesley: set a root password and use that - or better: call 'kdesudo adept_manager'01:10
wesleyseezer i have a root password01:10
stdinboo! hiss!01:11
stdinsetting a root pass is "Bad"(tm)01:11
seezerwesley: i guess i may not talk about that here :)01:11
wesleyokay but seezer it works01:11
seezerwesley: it's not kubuntu style - so just take the second option01:11
kubuntuhi, i have just installed Ubuntu 7.10 and the Kubuntu-Desktop so i have Gnome and KDE. i installed it in a 80GB Disk leaving 38GB for root and the other for /home, if i buy a new disk, can i remove the /home partition, leave the 80GB for /root and the other for /home without lossing data?01:11
seezerwhen i start the kde4 session via kdm-kde4 i get only a blank xterm01:13
habdelkubuntu: yes you can but you should be familiar with the console01:13
seezercalling /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde works fine and /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop calls just that01:13
seezerany idea?01:13
stdinkubuntu: as long as you copy /home to the new partition first, then delete the old /home and resize / to include the free space01:13
stdinseezer: don't use kdm-kde4, it's borkified01:13
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seezerhmkay01:14
AmyRoseI learned that01:14
AmyRoseabout kdm-kde401:14
wesleyis there a germany learning app?01:14
flithmheh01:15
kubuntustdin and habdel: thanks, that doubt was killing me01:15
* kubuntu Wonders if he should upgrade to KDE4....01:15
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Schuenemannnot until it's released01:15
wesleykde4 works good :)01:15
stdinkubuntu: make sure you edit /etc/fstab too, to mount the new /home (the UUID of / may change too, not sure)01:15
wesleystdin kde4 meta pack haves a break01:16
kubuntusdin: I know that, the only doubt was the resizing one01:16
stdinwesley: that's the older one, I've uploaded a newer one and it's building01:17
stdinwell, it's pending building actually01:17
flithmstdin: should I see the kde4 package on the list of recent uploads on the launchpad page?  or the list of available packages for that matter?01:18
JohnnyNoBuenoI'm a total n00b.  Anyone have any thoughts on getting an SIIG scsi controller working on a fresh install of 7.10?01:18
wesleyand kde 4 multimedia?01:18
itsjustmecan someone help me with the pan newsreader?  I put the server info in the config file and its like nothing happens...01:19
stdinflithm: it just started building (30 secs ago), it shouldn't be long01:19
kubuntuIs good to have the GNOME and the KDE desktop enviroment installed in Ubuntu?01:19
* flithm excited01:19
flithm:)01:19
Dr_williskubuntu,  i do that all the time. No problems01:19
JohnnyNoBuenosorry, I'm in wrong room01:19
stdindepends on if you want gnome :)01:20
Dr_willisitsjustme,  i though you had to tell it to grab a list of the newsgroups also.01:20
Dr_willisits been years since  i last used pan01:20
kubuntulol, o tought it can damage any root file, nad about Gnome....... .... ... i don't like it...... lol lol01:21
kubuntuI only use it if something goes out of control and i can't fix it in KDE  lol01:21
stdinif you don't like gnome, why not just install kubuntu directly?01:21
stdinthe shell is the best rescue tool ever invented, even the windows "rescue mode" uses a shell01:22
flithmI'd even go as far as to say the shell is the best user interface mode ever invented.  Don't get me wrong, windows are useful... so you can have many overlapping shells :)01:23
kubuntustdin: Well, when i installed my linux, i only had the Ubuntu Cd, and as i said, if something goes out of control on KDE, i can solve it in Gnome in wich i'm a little experienced01:23
itsjustmeI cant seem to figure out how... It looks like it has a download arrow.. I assume it is for gettinh the list, but nothjing happens01:23
stdinkubuntu: well if you have the space for both, it's fine. you'll just have a bit of a messy KMenu :)01:24
itsjustmepan  o.12901:24
itsjustme0.12901:24
wesleystdin how can you edited the kde4 menu ?01:24
stdinnot sure, ask in #kde :)01:25
kubuntulol... yeah stdin, my Kmenu is a bit messy.... but i can handle it.... lol01:25
itsjustmeclick refresh list and I see on the bottom,,,  No Connections.. how do I connect?01:25
Dr_willisitsjustme,  i recall thee being a menu item. But again its been years.01:26
itsjustmeso what do you recommend for a news reader?01:26
Dr_willisi dont even know if my isp has a news server any more01:26
itsjustmepan is suppose to be good01:26
vzduchDr_willis: you recall whom being a menu item? :D01:26
Dr_willispan was very good last i used it.01:26
Dr_willisit also depends on what you want to do with the news reader. :)01:27
vzduchitsjustme: you mean for standard Usenet groups or for binaries?01:27
kubuntuSo, i have  a problem with KDM, it have more resolution than what my monitor can correctly show, that means that KDM is displayed but not like he will have to, ho can i fix that? pleas01:27
kubuntue01:27
seezerstdin: did you try suspend yet?01:27
itsjustmehow about for all01:27
stdinseezer: nope, not yet01:27
itsjustmeI'd like to learn how to do all of it.. Im new to this01:27
vzduchas for binaries, no idea.. for normal Usenet reading and posting, KNode should be preferred as it's a KDE program, but Pan is just fine01:28
Dr_willisHmm I fired up pan.. it asked for the news server.. i entered the right info.. it started getting the groups..01:28
vzduchitsjustme: and google for 'netiquette' :)01:28
itsjustmeI have pan up but cant seem to connect01:28
Dr_willisits fetching 20000+ groups it seems :)01:28
itsjustmehhuummm   firewall maybe?01:29
Dr_willisyou sure you got yoyur news group server entered properly?01:29
itsjustmeyea,,  it worked in W i n d o zzz earlier01:29
vzduchDr_willis: that's just the list.. if you want to actually read newsgroups, you have to subscribe to them01:29
Dr_willisvzduch,  correct.. but he dosent seem to even have the list.. or hes really confused about how to use pan. :)01:29
itsjustme1st thing 1st... I need to get the program to connecyt01:29
Dr_willisitsjustme,  go to File->task manager, see if its doing anything.01:30
* feffer ...be back later: Gone away for now.01:30
itsjustmeblank01:31
itsjustme0tasks01:31
Dr_willischeck the event log? same menu..01:31
itsjustmewow...  error connecting01:31
itsjustmemany01:31
Dr_willis------->   you sure you got yoyur news group server entered properly?01:31
Dr_willis:)01:31
itsjustmeI'll try again01:32
vzduchare there free newsfeeds available still?01:32
vzduchI have a paid newsfeed (€10 per year), works fine01:32
ardchoillevzduch: Newsfeeds for what? There are tons of free newsfeeds. My akregator is full of them :)01:33
vzduchardchoille: not for RSS, for Usenet01:33
ardchoilleAh, ok01:33
ardchoilleI don't even know what usenet is01:33
vzducho001:33
itsjustmestill no connections...   newsgroups.comcast.net01:33
vzduchguess you missed something then ;)01:33
stdinit's a place where the deviant hangout01:33
Dr_willisnews feeds., vs newsgroups :)01:33
ardchoillestdin: :)01:34
Dr_willisitsjustme,  it may want a username/password.. or somthing else.01:34
Dr_willisThe comcast isp web site may have details.01:34
itsjustmegoogle. said newsgroups.comcast.net and it works in windoz..  entered the other info too01:34
stdinardchoille: think of it like a mailing list, except you don't have to "sign up", you just subscribe to it01:34
Dr_willisitsjustme,  you are a comcast subscriber?01:34
flithmstdin: I'M DYING HERE!! :)01:34
itsjustmeha  after 30secs it says connecting/////  woops no connections01:35
itsjustmeyes i am01:35
ardchoillestdin: Ok01:35
wesleyhow does the replacement for kicker named?01:41
stdinwesley: it's a plasmoid/applet, it's part of plasma01:41
itsjustmesorry...  Im back.. had to help my son with his homework01:42
itsjustmeso what do we think?  uninstall and reinstall?01:42
vzduchchecked firewall?01:42
vzduchthough I think it's a bit unlikely that this is the problem.. should work perfectly in passive mode01:43
itsjustmefirewall off... no connections still after tring to connect01:43
itsjustmeIll reinstall and try again01:44
vzduchperhaps try KNode01:44
itsjustmek01:44
wesleywill it take long till the kde4 meta is ready?01:45
stdinit'll take a bit longer since I had to re-upload :p01:46
wesleyows my taskbar from kde4 is away01:46
wesleygots kicker so long activated01:47
* marcx bru noc01:49
erickholas01:50
NickPresta!es | erick01:51
ubotuerick: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.01:51
vzduch<-- going to bed, good night folks :)01:51
tekteenanyone know how to subscribe to an iTunes podcast from a website?01:52
waynewardi see kde 4 is released today sometime how long before it hits the repositories any one know01:52
cefand how long before all the bug fixes hit upstream, and then come back. :/01:53
tekteenthe site is http://fee.org/ and has a button on the site to subscribe to the podcast,01:53
stdintekteen: that *needs* itunes01:55
tekteenstdin: I have ubuntu not itunes01:55
tekteenstdin: :-(01:55
stdintekteen: email them and complain until something is done :p01:56
tekteenthanks :-(01:56
stdinnothing anyone except them can do, it specifically looks for itunes01:57
NickPrestatekteen, try saving this (http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=254360357&amp;ign-mscache=1) and loading it in itunes01:58
wesleyhow can i start the kde plasmoid ( kicker it will not start by start up ) kde401:58
stdinwesley: it's probably easier to start with a fresh ~/.kde4 for now, just logout of kde4, rename it and log back in01:59
stdinsome of the older setting may mess the latest one up01:59
wesleywhat renaming?02:00
stdinin konsole "mv ~/.kde4 ~/.kde4.bak" or open konqueror and choose View -> Show Hidden and rename it02:02
stdindo that in kde3, because it won't work right in kde402:02
d0bhi all02:04
wesleyso what do i need to rename ?02:04
d0bI have a little problem.. when I boot the system i see only shel and nothing else...02:05
wesleystdin what do i have to rename?02:06
d0bso i need to type kdesktop and kwin --replace to view the desktop evry tyme when i login...02:06
d0bcan some body help me how to fix it ?02:07
stdinwesley: in kde4, open konsole and put in "mv ~/.kde4 ~/.kde4.bak"02:07
stdind0b: does /etc/rc2.d/S99kdm and /etc/init.d/kdm exist ?02:08
wesleystdin in kde3 i am logged02:08
stdinwesley: no, I meant "in kde3" not 402:08
stdintypos02:09
wesleyand now its renamed?02:09
stdinwhen it's renamed log back into kde402:09
d0bstdin: yes, they are there02:10
thomas_newbie__Should I have a different password for my SUDO and a different one for ROOT?02:10
stdinthomas_newbie__: don't set a root pass at all02:10
wayneward_how do i get kde4 installed apt-get install ??..02:10
thomas_newbie__stdin: well whenever i need root priveleges i use root passwd no?02:11
stdind0b: when you login, do you login to the shell or to kdm?02:11
stdinthomas_newbie__: no, you use sudo02:11
d0bstdin: to kdm02:11
thomas_newbie__stdin: but I log in with that password too...02:11
=== alexandre_ is now known as lemke
d0bstdin: the problem has appearanced when I upgrade system to 7.10 but at that time was launching compiz (02:12
stdind0b: what session does it say it's logging you into?02:12
wesleystdin it works thanks02:12
stdinthomas_newbie__: don' t just use sudo to to root stuff02:13
stdin*"don't, just..."02:13
d0bstdin: don't know02:14
thomas_newbie__stdin: ??well I use the same password to login to my home...same for sudo to do admin stuff02:14
lemkeanyone can tell me if there will be a Kubuntu 7.10 ISO or packages of the KDE4 JUST AFTER the release?02:14
stdinlemke: this is a testing version with 4.0.0, please report your findings to #kubuntu-devel or #kubuntu-testers http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/02:15
stdind0b: look in the menu on the bottom right section of the login screen02:15
lemkeAlredy? nice! thnks!02:16
stdinit may not be perfect yet, so please report issues :)02:16
lemkeyeah02:17
thomas_newbie__stdin: i didn't understand what you wrote to me...and did u see my post02:18
lemkeit is the rc2 release?02:18
stdinlemke: no 4.0.0 release02:18
stdinthomas_newbie__: don't use a root password, just use sudo to gain root access02:19
lemkealredy? but there is nothing new at kde.org02:19
stdinlemke: the packages are being tar'd up and distributed to mirrors around the world, it takes time. when that's done kde.org will be updated02:21
wayneward_how we get 4.0.0 release for ubuntu02:21
adamonline45lol that's what I came in to see02:21
wayneward_lol02:21
wayneward_could do with it tonight !02:22
stdinthe packages are in the kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA now, they should be in gutsy-backports by tomorrow02:22
lemkestdin: ok02:22
wayneward_oh thats ok02:22
=== tonynlisa is now known as tlsarles
wayneward_wicked02:22
stdinI'll update the topic later, when I feel comfortable with it02:22
tlsarlesHow do you add a new pannel with KDE4?02:22
wayneward_show just apt-get update and apt-get install it02:22
stdintlsarles: not sure, ask in #kde02:23
wayneward_ok ill take a look see what they say02:23
stdinwayneward_: yeah, add the repository and install kde4-core02:23
d0bstdin: thanks ! ))02:23
stdind0b: was that the problem then?02:23
d0bstdin: yes02:24
stdinisn't it annoying when the problem is so simple but you have no idea where it actually is? :p02:24
d0b)02:25
wayneward_no answers yet im installing one of repos now so hopefully should notify me to update?? hopefully!!...02:27
wayneward_ill stay tuned on here02:27
adamonline45stdin: You mentioned just adding 'the repository' and apt-getting kde4-core.  Do you know what I should add in my sources.list?02:28
stdinsame as it was for RC2: "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main"02:28
* stdin moves the text to annoy everyone copying&pasting02:29
d0bis KDE 4 allready relised ???02:29
=== jhutchins_kc is now known as jhutchins
stdinyes and no, I hope that answers your question02:30
stdin:)02:30
d0bwhat do you mean "yes and no" ? )02:31
stdinI mean "yes it is" and "no it isn't", all at the same time02:31
adamonline45As in, it's available if you know how to get it?02:31
adamonline45or as in, RC2, not 4.0.0?02:32
articpenguin3800is kde4 packaged yet?02:32
stdinno, we do have 4.0.002:32
stdinit just hasn't been officially announced02:32
stdin*yet02:33
adamonline45stdin: Oh okay.  I've been watching the news all day at school waiting for some word :D02:33
stdinhere's our stance: "we have it now, but it's not "released" until kde.org says so"02:33
* adamonline45 is excited about ditching compiz fusion for some mild compositor stuff02:33
adamonline45stdin: Got it.  Where have I seen your name before?  Did you make the packages or something for Kubuntu?02:34
articpenguin3800its not in the repos yet?02:34
stdinadamonline45: I did the packages from previous releases of kde4, yes02:34
adamonline45stdin: Gotcha... Nice to meet you!  And thanks :)02:35
stdinit's not in the archive.ubuntu.com ones for gutsy yet, no02:35
articpenguin3800i will compile kde 4 then =)02:36
stdinarticpenguin3800: why?02:36
Downixhey all02:36
articpenguin3800i jus bored02:36
* stdin points articpenguin3800 to "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main"02:36
d0bstdin: so can i install kde 4 now ?02:36
DownixI can't find libqt-dev for kubuntu!02:36
stdind0b: indeededooby02:36
Downixit references it, but can't seem to find it02:36
stdinDownix: try libqt4-dev :)02:37
Downixok, I'll be quiet now02:37
d0bstdin: sorry, but i don't understand )02:38
stdind0b: "indeedydooby" is my way of saying "yes" ;)02:38
d0bstdin: my english is so bad )02:38
=== lemke is now known as alexandre
stdinmade up of "indeed" with a "de" on the end and a "dooby" after it02:38
Picid0b: My english is good and I had no idea what he was talking about.02:39
stdinno one ever does, and I'm ok with that :)02:39
d0bPici: )02:39
d0bstdin: )))02:39
d0bstdin: and how install it ? what repositories and so on ?02:40
seezerstdin: will i get a "indeedydooby" if i ask "is it advisable to try a upgrade to hardy by changing sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade yet"02:40
stdinseezer: no, you'll get a "nopeydooby"02:40
stdinunless you *really know what you're doing*, don't use hardy yet02:41
LjLseezer, for starters, it's not safe to upgrade to hardy at all, since hardly is hardly (pun intended) ready for production use. second, no, upgrading should be done using the update manager02:41
SkyblastI have Hardy in the VM... It is alphatastic. Don't use it for daily work or anything important02:41
seezerLjL: that's ok for me. but the update manager.. i missed installing that thingy..02:43
seezerbut went fine from edgy to feisty via apt upgrades02:44
LjL!upgrade02:44
ubotuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes02:44
seezerthis gutsy was a fresh install02:44
Downixok, libqt-dev still didn't have qwidget.h02:44
Downixhmm02:44
JucatoDownix: qt3 or qt4?02:45
DownixI just put qt4 on02:45
stdinyou sure you set your include path, or use qmake-qt4?02:45
Downixthought I had02:46
JucatoDownix: yes, but what is it you're trying to compile? does it need qt3 or qt4?02:46
DownixI'm not sure why it needs qt at all02:46
Downixit's a CLI utility for converting source file02:47
Jucatothen it shouldn't be looking for qwidget... :/02:47
DownixI know, I'm quite boggled02:47
Downixbut there's the missing files02:47
stdinmaybe it uses QString (I know I'm tempted to use QString in CLI apps)02:48
Downixmydebug.h:21:21: error: qwidget.h: No such file or directory02:48
Downixmydebug.h:22:25: error: qpushbutton.h: No such file or directory02:48
Downixmydebug.h:23:27: error: qmultilinedit.h: No such file or directory02:48
Downixmydebug.cpp:19:19: error: qfile.h: No such file or directory02:48
Downixmydebug.cpp:20:25: error: qtextstream.h: No such file or directory02:48
Downixmydebug.cpp:21:21: error: qstring.h: No such file or directory02:48
Jucatoit's obviously a GUI thing... but next time please use a pastebin Downix02:48
Downixsorry, forgot to grab one02:49
Downixmy goof02:49
JucatoDownix: can you give a link to that app? so we can check what Qt version it uses?02:49
stdinare you sure it's qt4 not qt3, usually Qt4 includes are Capitalised02:49
* Jucato almost bets it's qt302:49
Qrawlok... so.... how do I get KDE402:49
Downixhttp://www.len.ro/work/v2vhdl02:50
JucatoQrawl: um.. you wait?02:50
stdingive me $5 and I'll tell :)02:50
QrawlJucato, it just came out02:50
JucatoQrawl: but the Kubuntu packages haven't yet02:50
Qrawldo you have PayPal02:50
Qrawlok02:50
Jucatounless you want to compile from source code...02:50
Qrawlyes, I do02:50
Qrawlnot want to do that02:51
Jucato"The graphic interface was created using Qt v1.45 widgets, compiled using moc (Meta Object Compiler)" wth? O.o02:51
ardchoilleJucato: heh, kinda outdated?02:52
mitch_I launch Banshee in Kubuntu, it it runs fine. However, it gives this error message: Your environment is not properly set up to use DBus. Please fix your environment or run Banshee through dbus-launch. How do I launch it through dbus-launch?02:53
stdinDownix: edit the the qt_client/Makefile and change "-I/usr/include/qt" to "-I/usr/include/qt3!02:53
stdin* "-I/usr/include/qt" to "-I/usr/include/qt3"02:53
Jucatoardchoille: very...02:53
Downixok02:53
Jucatostdin: I don't think Qt 3 is source or binary compatible with Qt 1?02:54
stdinthe only date I see is 2004, should be using 302:54
Jucatostdin: maybe it changed... but then the front page says Qt 1.x02:55
Downixdown to missing qconfig.h and qmodules.h02:55
stdinyou have libqt3-mt-dev?02:56
* Jucato doesn't think he has.. because was told to install libqt4-dev only02:56
Downixnope, aptitude'ing now02:56
stdinhmm, but then why did the other errors go away?02:56
DownixI had libqt3-headers02:58
Downixok, now down to one missing file, qmultilinedit.h02:58
stdinlibqt3-compat-headers02:58
Jucatostdin: maybe when you gave him the -I flag02:59
Downixthis is fun02:59
adamonline45Quick question... How do I boot into KDE4?03:00
Downixnow it's /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt03:01
stdinwith KDM, choose KDE 4 from the menu03:01
adamonline45stdin: Where do I find kdm?03:02
stdinDownix: change "-lqt" to "-lqt-mt" in the Makefile03:02
stdinadamonline45: it's the login screen03:02
VoksDDid anyone try adding in KDE4 yet?  I'm getting install issues left and right.03:02
stdinVoksD: post them to postebin so we can see them03:03
Downixln: creating symbolic link `../qt_client/qtvl' to `./bin/qtvl': No such file or directory03:03
Downixgrr03:03
VoksDstdin: I'd rather spare you the long list, but they all seem to give (using apt-get): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/services/somefile', which is also in package kde4base-data"03:05
VoksDA lot of packages trying to overwrite some file which is already in kde4base-data03:06
VoksD(not just one file, but a whole bunch)03:06
Downixok, easy fix03:06
stdinDownix: yeah, just reverser the ln -s line03:07
Downixyup03:07
Qrawlif I install KDE4 this way:  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php     will I be at a disadvantage?  or will the results be exactly the same as waiting for backport03:07
stdinVoksD: you have (at the latest) kde beta packages. you should have removed them03:08
VoksDdamn, I was sure I'd removed all the previous stuff properly03:08
VoksDAfter I saw those errors I tried best as I could to just purge everything related to kde4 and doing a clean install, but apparently I didn't  do that right.03:08
stdinVoksD: try "aptitude remove $(dpkg -l |egrep '(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}') kdebase-bin-kde3+"03:08
stdinwith sudo though03:09
JucatoFolks, just so you should know, KDE 4.0 isn't officially released yet. So we're still waiting for the go signal. and some small changes might happen in between that time. So follow that link at your own risk for now :)03:09
BluesKajhowdy folks , what's the word on Krusader File Manager ?03:09
VoksDstdin: This will not touch my kde3.5.8, right?03:09
QrawlJucato, ok03:09
QrawlI'll wait03:09
stdinVoksD: it will install the new kde3 packages (which you will need), but that's it03:09
Downixnow to see if this thing works03:10
VoksDfair enuff03:10
jcsgkfyijiis there a terminal command to list my current ip address or addresses if i have multiple adapters configured and connected to differnt things?03:10
Qrawldid I post something forbidden03:10
stdinjcsgkfyiji: ifconfig03:11
jcsgkfyijihate to sound like a retard how do you exit a man page?03:11
BluesKaj!Krusader03:11
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about krusader - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:11
VoksDjcsgkfyiji: If in the console, just hit 'q'03:12
BluesKaj!info Krusader03:12
ubotukrusader: twin-panel (commander-style) file manager for KDE (and other desktops). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.80.0-1 (gutsy), package size 3102 kB, installed size 8736 kB03:12
jcsgkfyijithanks03:12
VoksDjcsgkfyiji: Since you're in KDE you might find it more readable to type 'man:/ifconfig', or whatever manpage you want, in the run menu or konqueror03:13
jcsgkfyijiin the konqueror address bar? cool!03:14
VoksDyeah :D03:14
Jucatosingle / would do03:14
Jucatoor no / even (man:konqueror)03:14
VoksD:o03:14
Jucatothere's even info:/ and help:/03:14
stdinkonqueror can do everything you want it to do, even some thing you don't :)03:15
VoksDhehe03:15
BluesKajseems to work for all kinds of apps03:15
Jucatowell it doesn't do IRC yet.. so no...03:15
Jucato:D03:15
VoksDI absolutely love Konqy, they've done a very good job with it.03:15
stdinmaybe sho_ should make an IRC KPart :P03:15
jcsgkfyijiI just learned about sftp://myname@host for ssh, nice and webdavs://03:15
ubuntu_has anyone here used gnome and kde, and which one you like?03:16
kubuntuHey, i have a problem with KDM, i changed the theme to SuperNature and it's still cahrging with the default one, and in a resolution of 1152x(other), and my monitor only supports up to 1024x728, how can if ix those problems?03:16
VoksDubuntu_: Used both, preferred KDE.03:16
Downixwell it's running, but man it's sloooow03:16
Jucatostdin: in my dreams! :)03:16
stdinubuntu_: this is #kubuntu, guess what we like :p03:16
VoksDhehe03:16
Downixdoesn't help that it's... huge03:16
jcsgkfyijiubuntu gnome is pretty and very to use if you doing light work, but if your really going to use your computer use kde, it's much more powerful!03:17
ubuntu_yeah i knoiw what channel im in, im running this off cd right now, been using ubuntu. kde has some nice desktop switching etc.. but not sure what i want to run03:17
stdinwell you can run gnome apps in kde and kde apps in gnome, so it whatever you prefer03:18
holycow2is kde4 rc2 or rc3 yet? i thought it was rc303:18
ubuntu_yeah, anyone here using 8.04 yet?03:18
asdfasdfasdfasdfhi how can i make  Ktorrent 2.2.1 to autorun automatically every time i start session in kde? im using kubuntu gutsy gibbon03:18
stdinholycow2: 4.0.0 is due today03:18
stdin!autostart | asdfasdfasdfasdf03:19
ubotuasdfasdfasdfasdf: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.03:19
jcsgkfyijiubuntu_: use knoqueror to manage files and then try the gnome nautilus and you whill have made up your mind, nautilus is awful, no offence to any gnome fans.03:19
GoetzChttp://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php03:20
VoksDubuntu_: And if you're of the kind who loves two-pane file commanders, or used Norton Commander or UFO back in the days, you'll find Krusader (which is made for KDE) really pleasant.03:20
kubuntuSoo, should i reinstall KDM?03:21
notvwhats the best C++ IDE for gnome?03:21
VoksDubuntu_: As far as I can tell from personal experience and memory, Konqueror is better than what ships with Gnome, and KDE is a bit more responsive than Gnome (that may be entirely subjective).. plus KDE can be controlled with dcop, which is a gib plus.03:21
stdinGoetzC: until that hits the kubuntu.org front page, it's not "official"03:21
stdinnotv: 1) there is no "best" 2) try asking in #ubuntu03:21
notvi like dolphin more than konqueror03:21
asdfasdfasdfasdfwas kde 4 laucnhed? it says today can i download it now?03:22
notvstdin, i know and i am already03:22
VoksDasdfasdfasdfasdf: Yes, you can.03:22
Downixnotv: EMACS03:22
asdfasdfasdfasdfi mean the final version03:22
asdfasdfasdfasdfnot rc203:22
Qrawl#KDE4-Release-Party03:22
asdfasdfasdfasdflol03:22
notvhm03:23
Jucatoseriously, that's the channel03:23
notvemacs is all black. is that just a setting thing?03:23
notvwhat about eclipse?03:23
Qrawlok. so once the Kubuntu version of KDE4 is ready, how will we upgrade03:23
stdinQrawl: did you install RC2?03:23
QrawlI uninstalled that a few minutes ago03:24
stdinQrawl: it'll be a similar install procedure03:24
Qrawlstdin, I will PM you the link Im using03:25
holycow2stdin aha danke03:25
Qrawlwill that be the official way to upgrade?03:25
stdinQrawl: if nothing goes wrong with the packages, it will03:26
Qrawlbut its going to be backported03:26
holycow2so to install ... i need to enable the hardy repos?03:26
Qrawlwill that change anything?03:26
stdinQrawl: no, same packages as what will be backported03:27
secleinteerwill the final version of kde4 available in the gutsy backports?03:27
Qrawlty03:27
stdinholycow2: no, the'll be in the kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA and will filter into gutsy-backports03:27
Qrawlyes03:27
holycow2ohhh thank you.  will installing the rc from the topic interfere with the backport?03:28
holycow2well i guess not, its just going to be higher version packages03:28
stdin*KDE4 status: There are packages in the PPA but KDE 4.0.0 isn't "officially" released until kde.org says so, also remember the PPA repository has a limited bandwidth so download will be slow if everyone jumps and gets them now.03:30
stdinif you have install RC2 then there shouldn't be a problem, just don't jump all over the packages. if you haven't (or uninstalled it) then wait a while longer.03:31
Downixand it can't read the Verilog code... lovely03:31
holycow2okay no problem.  i was toying around with it on another box earlier today, it's so beautiful it hurts to use gnome or kde303:31
QrawlKDE4 is only 158mb??03:34
secleinteerwhat, do you want it to be 3+ gb like vista?03:35
Qrawllol03:35
QrawlI want to make sure Im doing this correctly03:36
hydrogenits more than 158 mb..03:36
_gtt_anyone got irkick setup ?03:36
secleinteerit might be just the base software03:36
QrawlWARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!    <=========  Is that OK03:36
secleinteerw/o any of the programs03:36
secleinteerQrawl: yeah that's fine03:36
hydrogenthough maybe not compressed03:36
Qrawlty03:36
Jucato"note that PPAs aren't authenticated so you will likely get a warning when installing"03:37
secleinteerQrawl: where are you installing from?03:37
_gtt_!irkick03:37
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about irkick - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:37
_gtt_!infrared03:37
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about infrared - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:37
_gtt_!lirc03:37
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about lirc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:37
_gtt_what good is that thing03:37
Qrawlvarious places03:37
Qrawlmainly ppa03:37
Jay-Oh-En!purekde03:37
ubotupurekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »03:37
secleinteerQrawl: what's ppa?03:38
stdin!ppa03:38
_gtt_personal package archives03:38
ubotuWith Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.03:38
secleinteerty03:38
Qrawllaunchpad03:38
secleinteerwell i'd rather not install random crap that people ul03:38
secleinteeri'll wait lol03:38
_gtt_it's not forced upon you...03:39
secleinteeri know lol03:39
Qrawlwink wink03:39
secleinteeri didn't know i was giving the impression that i felt forced03:39
stdinsecleinteer: 1) it's not random thank you very much, 2) when the announcement comes it will be from a PPA03:39
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secleinteerstdin: it seems like anyone can upload a deb to launchpad as a 'ppa'03:40
secleinteermaybe i will apt-get build-dep kde4 and compile :D03:40
stdinsecleinteer: to *their* ppa, yes03:40
secleinteerstdin: so is there an 'official' ppa?03:40
stdinthe one we use can only be uploaded to by 3 people, including myself03:40
Jucatosecleinteer: not everyone can upload to any ppa03:41
stdinnot even Jucato can upload to ours :P03:41
secleinteerstdin: so where is this official ppa?03:41
hydrogener.. it's still random people as far as joe user is concerned03:41
* seezer falls asleep. bye03:41
Jucatoonly certain people can upload to certain ppa's. of course a PPA owner can upload to his own ppa03:41
secleinteerJucato: yeah, but i didn't know there was an organized ppa03:41
Jucatohydrogen: developers are random people as far as joe user is concerned :)03:41
stdinsecleinteer: we'll tell you when we feel comfortable releasing the packages, it'll be in the topic03:41
Jucato(that would make you random too :P)03:41
secleinteerstdin: :(03:41
Qrawlthe official one is a secret03:42
hydrogensaying "its not random because I upload to it" doesn't lend it any more credibility03:42
stdin*Note: When KDE 4.0.0 comes out we'll updates the topic with the link to get it, please wait until then so we can insure you get an easy and safe install*03:42
secleinteerhttp://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/03:42
secleinteerXD03:42
Jucatohydrogen: point?03:42
Qrawluntil the official word is out03:42
secleinteerdid i just find it? :P03:42
stdinhydrogen: does when I say it :)03:42
Qrawlso just wait03:42
stdinsecleinteer: please wait until we say it's ok, and don't post the link03:42
secleinteerstdin: it's even on kubuntu.org03:43
stdinon the front page?03:43
secleinteeron the kde4 rc2 announcement03:43
* feffer is back.03:43
secleinteeri googled 'kubuntu ppa' and it was the fifth link03:43
stdinthen it's not announced yet03:43
stdin!away > feffer03:44
secleinteeryeah, but it's not like people can't find it03:44
secleinteerw/e, i'll wait i guess03:44
hydrogenI'm really not certain why people are so excited to get their hands on kde4 anyways..03:44
Qrawl??????????03:44
asdfasdfasdfasdfstdin, that means you guys are making a nice step by step howto install easy for the newbies like me? ^^03:44
secleinteerthere were enough bugs when i ran beta 4 in vmware03:44
secleinteernot gonna try an unstable version now03:44
holycow2hydrogen, have you seen it?03:44
stdinsecleinteer: doesn't matter, it's up to you if you want to try but we can't guarantee anything03:44
hydrogenholycow2: I'm using it03:44
stdinasdfasdfasdfasdf: we are yes :)03:45
secleinteerhydrogen: it's not really done, but users have to start using it at some point03:45
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holycow2lol03:45
secleinteerstdin: no OSS is 'guaranteed' anyway, so that doesn't bother me03:45
secleinteeri'll wait for nice instructions though03:45
holycow2its so easy on the eyes from my perspective, it hurts to use gnome03:45
Qrawlas long as its better than Alpha 103:45
asdfasdfasdfasdfstdin, lol xD03:45
secleinteeryes, gnome hurts me eyes too03:45
stdinsecleinteer: then just don't post links to it in here, whatever else you do is up to you03:45
secleinteermy*03:45
secleinteerstdin: alright, i won't post any more links XD03:46
holycow2also03:46
holycow2kde4 is the first time i've trully been inspired by a desktop environment03:46
secleinteerwhen i see gtk, i want to throw up :D03:46
holycow2its not complete but the bits that are there have a certain something extra to them03:46
Qrawlare you using it now03:46
holycow2i can't describe it but it feels like it was created by people that care03:46
holycow2thats just makes me want to start using it an help out03:46
QrawlI like the feel of GNOME actually03:47
* Jucato points to http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/317403:47
secleinteernooooo03:47
secleinteergnome == :(03:47
Qrawl69%03:47
wesleylol bashing gnome03:48
secleinteerand i've used it, too03:48
AulusI can't find the standard sources.list file for gutsy. Might someone have one?03:48
secleinteerwhen i first moved to linux03:48
secleinteerAulus: check ubuntuguide.org03:48
stdinAulus: see /use/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list03:49
Jucato!easysource03:49
ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic03:49
syazdanidoes anybody know where is wpa_passphrase?03:49
stdinin wpasupplicant03:49
Jucatolike a password to connect to the network right?03:49
syazdanihmm, it doesn't seem to be there.03:50
syazdaniMaybe I need to reinstall it.03:50
stdin!find wpa_passphrase03:50
ubotuFile wpa_passphrase found in wpasupplicant03:50
Jucatoah ok.. it's a command :P03:50
wesleyyeah gnome sound standaard thats why many people use it03:50
Jucatois wpasupplicant installed?03:50
syazdaniIt seems to be.03:51
syazdaniwpa was working before.03:52
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zetheroodo the effects in KDE4 work with the fglrx drovers?03:56
zetheroodrivers03:56
nixternalnope03:56
nixternalif they do, I don't know how to get them working03:56
Jay-Oh-Enzetheroo: if they dont it doesnt look like im gonig to be able to use KDE403:57
eatThisAndDieguys, is there anything in Ubuntu like 'service (red hat) or start-stop-daemon03:57
Jay-Oh-Enis there a kde program like gimp03:57
zetheroonixternal: why would it not work?03:57
nixternaleatThisAndDie: which daemon are you trying to stop?03:57
holycow2eatThisAndDie /etc/init.d/servicename start/stop03:57
nixternalJay-Oh-En: nothing like Gimp, sorry03:57
Jay-Oh-Endang03:57
secleinteerJay-Oh-En: krita03:58
zetheroonixternal: is it because of xgl?03:58
nixternaleatThisAndDie: exactly what holycow2 said :)03:58
geniieatThisAndDie: sudo /etc/init.d/<appname> start/stop/restart/reload03:58
eatThisAndDieyeah, i know that works, nixternal,03:58
Jay-Oh-Ensecleinteer: krita?03:58
nixternalzetheroo: people have gotten their radeons to work I believe, I just haven't looked much into it03:58
QrawlErrors were encountered while processing:03:58
Qrawl /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1_all.deb03:58
QrawlE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)03:58
secleinteerJay-Oh-En: yeah, it's a image editing program03:58
holycow2so whats the problem then?03:58
eatThisAndDiebut well... i;m just used to being lazy and going 'service' ;)03:58
nixternalkrita is far from Gimp unfortunately03:58
Jay-Oh-Ensecleinteer: thanks is it hard to use?03:58
holycow2so setup an alias03:58
eatThisAndDiehmmmm... thats an idea03:58
holycow2gimp is just amazin, i've been teaching noobs to use it all week03:59
holycow2they love it03:59
stdinyou can do "sudo invoke-rc.d <service> <action>"03:59
secleinteerJay-Oh-En: don't know, i've never used it. there's also kolourpaint, if you want something simpler, similar to M$ paint03:59
Jay-Oh-Enholycow2: im so good in it03:59
Qrawlstdin, me?03:59
secleinteerholycow2: gimp is weird :D03:59
Jay-Oh-Ensecleinteer: i want something more along the lines of photoshop03:59
stdinQrawl: no, you can post the output of "sudo apt-get -f install" to pastebin though03:59
holycow2Jay-Oh-En isn't it amazing when you can just run around in gimp without thinking how you did it? then when someone asks you how you did it you haveto think?03:59
zetheroonixternal: but is there any documentation on the subject of which cards work and which do not etc?03:59
secleinteerJay-Oh-En: well krita should be ok for most purposes03:59
holycow2the zen of gimp! lol :)04:00
Qrawlstdin, ok04:00
holycow2Jay-Oh-En oh you mean, your NOT good in it?04:00
Jay-Oh-Enholycow2: yeah i hate having to explain it04:00
nixternalzetheroo: if there is, I haven't looked into it...but if you find something, please point me in that direction as well so I can get the effects working on my desktop04:00
nixternalkde4 works perfectly on radeon drivers, it just doesn't kick in the effects04:00
Jay-Oh-Enholycow2: i am good in gimp04:00
holycow2oh i didn't understand your hpotoshop comment04:00
holycow2i want gimp to move as far away from ps as possible04:01
Jay-Oh-Enholycow2: why04:01
holycow2its problem is that its so close to ps but not exactly 100% that users have a problem transposing their skills04:01
holycow2they get confused04:01
holycow2they think 'oh just like photoshop, everything i know should work'04:01
holycow2and it can't04:01
Jay-Oh-Ensecleinteer: krita looks like a kids programs04:01
eatThisAndDiehmmm... just found out that 'service' is available in debian-helper-scripts package04:01
Qrawlstdin, that seems to be working04:01
secleinteerJay-Oh-En: it's the best there is :D04:02
stdinnixternal: tried with XRender (kwin composite that is)?04:02
nixternalI have never used PS, so I guess I am lucky...I just know Gimp, and it actually makes me look like I know what I am doing with very limited skills or know-how04:02
nixternalstdin: no I haven't04:02
secleinteerJay-Oh-En: if you really want all the features of photoshop, it won't happen04:02
eatThisAndDieapparently in kubuntu, if there is a program tat is available in the package but i dont have it then it shows me where to get it from.04:02
holycow2nixternal actually you are VERY lucky04:02
holycow2i've taught gimp to ps users04:02
nixternalI use KDE 4 on my Intel setup...it just works and it works flawlessly04:02
stdinnixternal: it works great on my lowly intel chip :)04:02
nixternalhehe, yup04:02
holycow2its a huge problem, once they learn ps they have one hell of a hard time learning anything else04:02
secleinteerJay-Oh-En: you might be interested in http://www.fsckin.com/2007/10/29/how-to-run-microsoft-outlook-natively-on-linux-using-virtualbox/ in that case04:02
secleinteerJay-Oh-En: it says it's for outlook, but works for anything04:02
holycow2ps is like a brain lobotomy for graphic designers it seems to me, its a eird thing04:02
secleinteerexcept games04:03
julianDoes anyone know where is the kubuntu gutsy release with kde 4.0?04:04
Jay-Oh-Ensecleinteer , holycow2, i dont im just saying i used to be pro in photoshop making websites blah blah blah you name it i did it but in gimp its giving me problems because i used to be so good and used to ps that its hard for me to learn a new program but im still 100 percent better then all of my friends in gimp04:04
eatThisAndDieis kde 4 available already? i thought it was still in  RC?04:04
stdineatThisAndDie: 4.0.0 is due today04:05
julianbecause kubuntu hardy alpha3 comes with it!!!!!!!!!04:05
wesleystdin will there come a live cd out from gutsy with kde4 ?04:05
holycow2Jay-Oh-En thats what i mean04:05
julianit is avaliable riagt now!!04:05
holycow2ps users cannot learn new apps04:05
secleinteerJay-Oh-En: well gimp is the closest you'll get in terms of featureset compared to photoshop04:05
holycow2its a huge problem for them04:05
stdinwesley: there will04:05
holycow2i can take a noob from 0 to 80 in no time flat tho04:05
stdinjulian: no it doesn't04:05
wesleystdin just like the kde3 version wich we can set to harddisk?04:06
julianhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha3/Kubuntu#head-a59c16f0f8d513281c6cc655a4adc998a1f9899704:06
stdinwesley: should be04:06
wesleyokay04:06
stdinJucato: that doesn't sat it will come with it by default04:06
stdinjulian:  that doesn't sat it will come with it by default04:07
stdinnot Jucato :p04:07
hagabakasomething's wrong with my kdesudo...it looks like a not-responding window, but it accepts keyboard input after a lag. and the OK Cancel buttons don't display. has anyone else had that issue?04:07
jcsgkfyijiI am attempting to write a shell script to automate the installation of a bunch of stuff on new systems so I don't need to do it manually. I am not sure how, or if this is possible, is there a way to take input form a command, for instance if I want to run hostname and then use the output form hostname as a wildcard, ive been googling and all i can figure out is how to take input form the user.04:07
eatThisAndDieok, another thing. is there anyhing like chkconfig on ubuntu?04:07
wesleyonly kdepim-kde4 got a break04:08
stdineatThisAndDie: what does it do?04:08
julian"KDE 4.0.0 was released on January 11th and promptly packaged for both Hardy Heron and the Gutsy Gibbon"04:08
Jay-Oh-Enwill kde4 work with my machine04:08
eatThisAndDiesets programs that runs on different runlevels04:08
stdinjulian: and what part of that says "and will be installed by default" ?04:08
eatThisAndDie(ckconfig that is)04:08
Jay-Oh-Enjulian: todays the 10th04:08
stdin!bum04:08
ubotuBoot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto04:08
stdinjulian: that will do it ^04:09
eatThisAndDiethanks stdin04:09
stdinjulian: so no default kde4 for you, not yet anyway04:09
eatThisAndDiedude.... typing 'man bum' is JUST so wrong.04:10
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: how do you figure out if kde4 will work for you04:10
geniieatThisAndDie: Since on ubuntu runlevels 2 thru 5 are the same now it doesn't seem to matter much about setting them04:10
stdinJay-Oh-En: try it and see, that's about the only way04:10
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: will it ruin my computer?04:10
stdinJay-Oh-En: does kde3?04:10
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: thats if it doesnt work04:10
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: no04:11
stdinthen neither will kde4 ruin it :)04:11
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: is it full version now , not the beta?04:11
geniirc=release candidate beta= pre release candidate version04:12
stdinit's the 1st release, but no one is saying it's not bug free. it's considered "stable enough for now"04:12
burnercan anyone seed hardy alpha 3?  i have 1 peer for 8kpbs currently04:12
stdinuntil 4.1.0 comes out04:12
eatThisAndDiegenii: it is? I'll probably set runlevel 3 and 4 to not have X though,04:12
geniieatThisAndDie: Yes, 2 thru 5 are all now equiv to 304:13
eatThisAndDiei see i'm at runlevel 2, thats the default then04:13
Jay-Oh-Enstdin:  are you going to run it?04:13
stdinJay-Oh-En: I have it open in anther display now04:13
geniieatThisAndDie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel#Debian_Linux04:14
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: any bugs for you?04:14
wesleymeta pack kde4 not ready?04:14
stdinJay-Oh-En: not yet, but I need to dive it fully to seee04:14
burneri thought i heard alpha 3 had kde4 in it04:14
stdinwesley:  3.1~gutsy1~ppa1 should be out04:15
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: whats the package to install04:15
eatThisAndDiegenii: yeah i remember that now... my debian had to be manually config'd, i just assumed it was like that cuz i installed it from the netinst CD04:15
wesleyit says break04:15
stdinwesley: I suggest "kde4-core" over "kde4" for now04:15
stdinJay-Oh-En: you'll just have to install "kde4-core" and it'll pull everything you need04:15
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: once i go to kde4 will i be able to go back to kde304:16
wesleyive misspelled something in konsple04:16
geniibbiab, need to change sessions04:16
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: E: Couldn't find package kde4-core04:16
wesleyive i installe kde4-core will i have everthing?04:16
stdinJay-Oh-En: yes, you'll have kde4 and kde3 installed, your kde3 install will be untouched. It's not "officially" released yet, just wait04:17
stdinwesley: you'll have a functioning kde4 desktop with it, there are other packages splattered about too. browse adept04:17
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: should i update my computer to see if they added the package? or is that not the case04:17
wesleyi have my line already only misspelled04:18
julianburner: I heard the same thing04:18
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heatmzzrhello all04:18
stdinJay-Oh-En: they will be in a special repository while then drip into gutsy-backports, but you'll have to install separately. it won't update kde304:18
heatmzzrthis kde IS pretty cool04:18
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: im sorry but i didnt understand that sentence lol04:19
burnerjulian: i'm downloading, but the torrent is painful right now04:19
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: anyways will i be notified when kde4 is released?04:20
heatmzzrdoes kubuntu automatically update like ubuntu does?04:20
stdinJay-Oh-En: if you have RC2 installed then you'll get notified of updates. if not then there will be install instructions in the topic (when it's out)04:20
geniiNice. Just logged into first kde4 session since I gave up on it for a while.04:20
* genii tinkers04:20
wesleyj04:20
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: thats all i needed to here thanks04:21
wesleystdin are you not tirred04:21
stdinwesley: all the time :)04:21
Downixugh, I hate autogenerated code04:21
stdinI do my best work half-asleep04:21
jerwarehi04:22
burnerheatmzzr: sure does04:22
jerwaredoes anyone know how to get surf the web with firefox with the tor application ?04:22
jerwareerr plugin/module?04:22
jerwarewhere do i get that module ?04:22
heatmzzrthanks burner04:22
burnersudo apt-get install tor?04:23
wesleythats cool you cann ship in april hardy with kde404:23
stdinwesley: we hope so yes04:23
wesleyow mister miljonair must agree?04:23
heatmzzrwas using ubuntu 7.1..... now running 8.04 kubuntu from cd.. thinking bout installing it. its got some features04:23
wesley8.04 is not stable04:24
calcmandanhey guys.04:24
heatmzzrwesley, not?04:24
burnerjerware: also, there's a package for teh tor extension for firefox in apt04:24
stdin!+104:24
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about 1 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:24
calcmandananyone havfe a link to all the open fonts provided in kubuntu?  i have ms ttf's loaded in my box and need to pick one that is open for a project04:24
stdin!ubuntu+104:24
ubotuHardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu04:24
burnerheatmzzr: not.. it's only january 2008, wait for april04:24
jerwareyes i have tor installed according to apt.  but i cant find the firefox tor interface in apt-cache search tor | grep firefox04:24
stdinexcept it's not LTS...04:25
julianheatmzzr:  Does it come with kde 4.0?04:25
snarksterwhen is KDE4 going to be released?04:25
burnerjerware: sudo apt-get install torbutton-extension04:25
stdinsnarkster: today04:25
ardchoillestdin: Is Ubuntu 8.04 going to be LTS but not Kubuntu 8.04?04:25
heatmzzrdont know, where do i go to find out for ya julian?04:25
burnerardchoille: correct04:25
stdinardchoille: yeah, Ubuntu (gnome) will, Kubuntu (KDE) will not04:25
ardchoilleAh04:25
ardchoilleThanks04:25
wesleythe support is long enough lol04:26
julianwhatever app, in a help menu04:26
calcmandan1 more day until kde 404:26
snarksterawesome04:26
burneri wonder, is the alpha 3 iso using a kde 4 daily snapshot?04:26
jerwarecrap it's not in feisty04:27
wesleyits already fryday here04:27
wesleystdin where do you live germany?04:27
heatmzzrSo your saying if i want to run kde, use 7.10 instead of this 8.0404:27
stdinwesley: no, UK04:27
wesleyow so you have it 04.2804:28
stdinheatmzzr: 8.04 isn't out yet04:28
stdinwesley: yep04:28
heatmzzrwhat did i download then04:28
stdinthe alpha3 probably04:28
Jay-Oh-Enheatmzzr: haha04:29
julianthe alpha 3 was released04:29
wesleyfrom rc is stable04:29
burnerheatmzzr: version numbers represent the date... 7.10 was released 2007.november.  8.04 will be released 2008.april04:29
stdinhttp://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/gutsy/ < get the stable release04:29
burnerheatmzzr: hence, after april, 8.04 will be stable, until then, 7.10 is your bet04:29
wesleyburner RC,S are most times very stable04:30
* burner shrugs04:30
heatmzzrgotcha, yeah looked at website again, says alpha304:31
burneri won't debate the finer points04:31
asdfasdfasdfasdfburner, wow didnt know that cool04:31
stdinwesley, burner: alpha3 is not a RC04:31
heatmzzrfirst experience with KDE, I like the look of it so far04:31
wesleyi know04:31
snarksterKDE is awesome04:31
wesleyi try alpha 2 and its not stable04:32
* burner has only been playing in virtual machines so far04:32
stdinI'm running hardy, it's definitely not stable at all :)04:32
wesleybut one side point kopete is useable in live modus04:32
burneri'm very excited about kde4 though04:32
snarksteri tried the rc2 and somethings didnt work well, but it looked awesome04:32
heatmzzrwesley, i've only used linux a short time. doubt i could use enough of this thing to make it unstable..lol04:33
snarksterunstable means unstable04:34
heatmzzri downloaded 7.1 too so if i decide to keep kde, ill load it04:34
wesleyin windows means stable unstable04:34
heatmzzrwesley, win performance til apr...eh lol04:35
thomas_newbie__why do i have 2 passwords working for sudo ?04:35
SkyblastI dunno how I feel abotu KDE4... it looks great, but is gonna be missing quite a bit04:35
SkyblastCompared to the vast array of stuff for 3.504:35
snarksteronly at first04:35
SkyblastTrue, but still04:35
wesleykde3 apps full the missing parts04:35
thomas_newbie__how does that work!04:35
burneri'm hoping kontact will finally compete with evolution in connecting to exchange04:35
snarksterdoesnt kde3 apps work in kde 404:35
SkyblastYeah they do04:36
stdinif you have the kde3 libs04:36
SkyblastI just mean a true Qt4 experience ;)04:36
wesleykde3 apps work in kde4 and kde4 apps in kde304:36
stdinif you have the libs04:36
craighi04:36
stdin!hi04:36
ubotuHi! Welcome to #kubuntu!04:36
burnerw00t, all kinds of torrenters now04:36
craigany babes here04:37
sub[t]rnlheh04:37
wesleynot many babes use linux am i wrong ?04:37
thomas_newbie__sub[t]rnl: is a babe04:37
ardchoillecraig: That is not acceptable in this channel04:37
snarksteryes I am. Im wearing my thong just for you honey04:37
thomas_newbie__snarkster: haha04:37
snarksternow shut the F up04:37
SkyblastAsk for babes in #kubuntu-offtopic ;P04:38
burnerlol, good call04:38
snarksterso tomorrow will there be any packages available in the repo04:38
snarksterkde4 packages04:38
burnersnarkster: keep an eye on www.kubuntu.org and i bet you'll see a notice04:38
snarksterthank yoyu04:38
thomas_newbie__guys is it possible to have 2 passwords working for 'sudo'?04:38
burnernot that i know of Th04:39
biovore2 passwords?  you mean 2 users?04:39
thomas_newbie__because i did 'passwd sudo'04:39
thomas_newbie__biovore: entered new password04:39
thomas_newbie__biovore: and both old and new work04:39
burnersudo uses your users password, not the password of a user called "sudo"04:40
burnerthat said, i've never tried what you said04:40
thomas_newbie__burner: wait i did 'sudo passwd' what does that do?04:40
burnersets the password for root04:41
ardchoillethomas_newbie__: That enables the root account and is neither supported nor necessary04:41
geniiThere is a user called sudo, ppl04:41
biovorethomas_newbie__: that changes the root password.. :-/04:41
stdingenii: there's a group, but no user04:42
thomas_newbie__yikes didn't mean to do that04:42
thomas_newbie__ardchoille: so how to undo :S04:42
stdinthomas_newbie__: "sudo passwd -dl root" will clear the password again04:42
ardchoille!sudo | thomas_newbie__04:43
ubotuthomas_newbie__: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.04:43
geniistdin: Weird, on mine there is04:43
stdin"grep sudo /etc/passwd" shows nothing04:43
posingaspopularhow do I shuffle through my amarok library... without loading 30 + gigs into the queue manager04:43
geniistdin: Is it posible "passwd <groupname> when no username exists sets passwd foe entire group? This does not seem sane....04:44
stdinafaik groups can't have passwords04:44
stdinpasswd: unknown user sudo04:44
RedDemonI am trying to load a program through wine that requires directx, any idea how I would implement it04:45
stdinnot sure, perhaps ask in #winehq04:46
thomas_newbie__the thing i don't understand is that if you have sudo, root priveleges, you can do whatever root can do :S04:46
burnerRedDemon: check out wine-doors04:46
RedDemonThanks stdin04:46
stdinthomas_newbie__: that's the whole point of sudo04:47
thomas_newbie__so i guess 2 different users like mike and martin can have different passwords but both be part of sudo with same privelges04:47
stdinlets you preform actions as root without having to be root04:47
burnerit's like being in teh "administrator" group on windows04:47
burnerbut cooler04:47
stdinyeah, there is no root password (also no root pass to crack)04:48
stdinusers can also be selectively allowed to only run specific commands with sudo, so it's even more secure04:48
thomas_newbie__stdin: in that case you have to crack the users' passwords to get root access right?04:48
geniieg: disallowing use of command: sudo passwd                       for instance04:49
stdinyou have to crack a users password that you know also has access to sudo04:49
posingaspopularJucato: ping? [22:45] <posingaspopular> how can I shuffle through all my amarok songs without loading all of them in a playlist? if at all04:49
ardchoillethomas_newbie__: But inorder to do that, you'd need the username of the user account :)04:49
stdinand you have to know the username first04:49
Jucatoposingaspopular: um.. I'd have to say.... I don't know :(04:49
stdin#amarok ?04:49
burnerposingaspopular: use the collections thing and just double click all songs or whatever to load all your tracks in a playlist04:50
thomas_newbie__yea...and if that user has a weaky password....OMG the system is pucked04:50
stdinthomas_newbie__: only if you know the user has sudo access, and if you do then you should set a decent password anyway04:50
stdinsame as if root had a easy pass04:50
stdinmore power == more need to make sure you are who you say you are04:51
posingaspopularyea i figured it out04:51
thomas_newbie__stdin: so in that case this has made me believe that i should make my home user account password stronger than it is :S04:51
posingaspopularjust get 50 random tracks04:51
posingaspopularshould go through yuor collection and pull enough out at a time04:52
wesleywhy cant i sign in to msn with the kde4 kopete ??04:52
burnerand use dynamic playlisting with random tracks :)04:52
Potato-[CE]do you know if conky will work with kde4.0?04:52
burnerwesley: is there a #kubuntu+1 or #kde4?04:52
stdinthere is a #kde and an #ubuntu+104:53
geniistdin: Don't forget #kubuntu-devel04:53
stdinthat's not so much of a support channel as #ubuntu+1 is04:53
geniiYes, true04:54
stdinbut we're nice in there so we don't mind most times, but try asking a support question in #ubuntu-devel and see what happens ;)04:54
hydrogenposingaspopular: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Dynamic_Playlist_Walkthrough04:56
hydrogendynamic playlists are pretty awesome04:56
jerwarei have the tor button installed.  but im still not routing through the tor network.04:57
jerwarei thought going through  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2464  would set everything up for me.04:58
JohnnyNoBuenogood evening05:00
JohnnyNoBuenoany savvy ubunteros about?05:00
hydrogenno such thing!05:01
holycanolyhelloooo kde4(whatever rc)05:04
holycanolyi think i can totally live with any incompleteness interface wise05:05
holycanolythis is looking and feeling terrific05:05
holycanolyjust gotta figure out how to create launchers manually05:06
* burner claims savvyness05:07
hrisialguien que hable español????05:07
hydrogen!es | hrisi05:08
ubotuhrisi: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.05:08
hrisiok, gracias05:09
holycanolyonly one tiny kde design error i still see spilling over05:09
holycanolykde menues are not designed for anythin less than 1024x76905:09
holycanoly76805:09
burnerde nada mi amigo!05:10
burner:)05:10
* burner desires 800x480 support05:10
biovorescreen resolution of 800x480?05:11
burneri have an eeepc05:11
biovoreIt can do it..05:11
biovorehave to manualy edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf05:11
burnerwhat can do it?05:12
burneri have ubuntu running05:12
biovoreit can do 800x48005:12
burneri just have to alt+drag dialogs around, it sucks05:12
biovorethe windows are designed for 1024x768 unfortionaly though..05:12
burnerwhich sucks donkey nards05:12
hydrogeni don't see that support coming any time soon..05:13
biovorebasicly...  the Eee PC wasn't really designed to run kde or gnome..05:13
hydrogenI think kde's HIG says design for 800x60005:13
biovoreit ment to run custom OSes..05:13
hydrogenthough it might be 640x48005:13
bazhangburner: there is a channel #eeepc you know05:13
biovore800x600 I think is the min05:13
ibilicis KDE4 buggy?05:22
hydrogenmaybe?05:22
ibilicalso, if I wanted to install gnome, what would I do?05:22
hydrogenshoot yourself?05:22
hydrogeni mean05:22
hydrogeninstall ubuntu-desktop05:22
ibilicand how would I select it?05:22
hydrogenfrom the login manage05:22
ibilicI have kubunutu now05:22
hydrogentheres a butotn05:22
hydrogento choose the session05:22
* Jucato points ibilic to http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/317405:23
sigma_1234has kde4 final been packaged yet?05:27
burnernot that i've heard, i'm sure www.kubuntu.org will hve the news as soon as it's ready05:27
holycanolyyeah i need 800x480 support as well05:28
holycanolyi have a umpc running full kde05:28
sigma_1234i thought the devs got it before the official release05:28
holycanolyits great but all the dialogs really need to  be in windowed types environments05:28
holycanolyyou just cant get away from strange resolutions because of all the new super small devices comming out05:29
jerwarei installed the firefox tor button successfully according to the following link.  but my web traffic is still not routing through the tor network.   http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-tor-to-surf-anonymously-in-ubuntu-feisty-with-firefox.html05:29
ibilicadept crashed05:29
ardchoille!fixadept05:29
ubotuIf an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »05:29
burnerstdin: i see you were thanked for making kde4 on gutsy happened... so i thank you as well05:32
AmyRosefuser?05:36
adamonline45Is there some sort of guide on using KDE4?  It seems to be different than your typical desktop; such as the desktop icons all being considered widgets, and what not...05:37
AmyRose!kde405:37
ubotukde4 is KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://tinyurl.com/2gqwmr - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php05:37
* Jucato wished we can link more than just to wikipedia for more info soon...05:37
geniiJucato: This one is interesting http://francis.giannaros.org/blog/2007/12/03/kde4-desktop-effects-kwin-composite-video-tour/05:38
* AmyRose is listening to MIDI files on her cell phone because FluidSynth sucks and Timidity's patch set is incomplete05:38
JucatoAmyRose: ouch :/05:38
Jay-Oh-Enjerware: what about in gutsy will tor work?05:38
Jucatohm.. come to think of it, I never got MIDI to work except in timidity... never in kmid...05:39
AmyRoseJucato: I have a hard time finding that eawpats set05:39
Jucatogenii: thanks. (although I was referring to the link from the !kde4 factoid)05:39
AmyRoseeverybody seems to think FluidSynth is the greatest thing ever, when it seems to have horrible problems with desynching05:40
* genii thinks about switching back from the decaf05:40
AmyRoseMy cell phone is great for playing MIDI though05:40
Jucatogenii: you? decaf? O.o05:40
* AmyRose drinks decaf tea05:40
geniiJucato: j/k :)05:40
adamonline45I had Compiz and KControl installed in KDE 3, now in 4 those things still seem to be the same.  I was hoping for a fresh KDE installation.  What can I do to get my KDE4 into a stock configuration?05:41
burnercan anything really be great if it plays MIDI?05:41
AmyRoseJucato: I actually did manage to find eawpats somewhere, but I just saved the deb05:41
Jucatooh...05:41
burnernow NSF audio on the other hand, killer!05:41
geniiJucato: I have to stop coffee about 2 hours before I need to sleep which was an hour ago now.... so lacking caffeine slightly05:41
Jucatoburner: a lot of music composer apps use MIDI05:41
AmyRoseburner: Tell the amarok devs to support it!05:41
Jucatolike piano apps05:41
Jucatogenii: :P05:42
madusergreat, got my nes mp3 palyer to work with kubuntu05:42
burnerisn't there just a backend that amarok uses... gstreamer or xine?  wouldn't it be beneficial to ask gstreamer or xine devs to support midi?05:42
AmyRoseI do have Timidity configured and running as a daemon, but it seems to lag the system, and I like the way my cell phone sounds with MIDI05:42
AmyRoseburner: They don't care.05:42
AmyRoseI've tried05:43
burnerbut they are the ones that control what amarok plays05:43
burnernot amarok itself05:43
burnerever use audacious?  it can play midi right?05:43
AmyRoseburner: They tell me to contact ffmpeg, and ffmpeg tells me to contact xine05:43
hagabakai hate the configuration file updates05:43
AmyRoseburner: I'm an Audacious user myself for that reason, and its NSF support05:43
hagabakai wish there was something to intelligently merge the updates to my customization05:44
burnerit has NSF support?!?!?  i'm searching apt05:44
burneri bet i didn't have -ugly05:45
maduserHey is there any way to make a video the desktop backround?05:46
AmyRoseburner: try this repo: http://morgoth.free.fr05:46
AmyRoseit will give you the latest and it has nsf support05:46
geniimaduser: I've done it before with animated gif but was horrible05:46
burnerthanks AmyRose, i'll try it out05:47
burneri'm excited for the new audacious05:47
adamonline45How do I add a folder in Konqueror?05:47
AmyRoseJucato: I can't believe you forgot to mention Rosegarden, KDE's very own MIDI sequencer05:47
AmyRoseone of KDE's killer apps05:47
JucatoAmyRose: I was about to... but I switched my focus on other channels05:48
Jucatoit was written in my text input field already05:48
AmyRoseJucato: I've seen lots of GNOME users really peeved that it was a KDE program05:48
Onyxhow do i turn off grouping of similar taskbar icons in KDE?05:49
AmyRoseOnyx: Right-click the taskbar, click Configure Panel05:49
AmyRoseOnyx: Then click Taskbar and you'll find the setting05:49
OnyxAmyRose: Ahhh, freedom.05:49
Onyxthank you.05:49
AmyRoseYou're welcome05:49
eatThisAndDie guys: i have added /opt/php/bin o $PATH but sudo php doesnt work. Any suggestions?05:49
JucatoAmyRose:  and so they fight back with naming K3-D and Kino? :)05:49
AmyRoseI hate that setting myself05:50
AmyRoseJucato: I don't know.05:50
AmyRoseJucato: But how the heck did Gwenview and Gwenrename end up being KDE apps?05:50
OnyxAmyRose: Yeah, it's quite annoying... makes task switching slower IMO :)05:50
=== thomas__ is now known as RedDemon
JucatoAmyRose: hehe :)05:50
max_how can i install ubuntu studio form an instialation of kubuntu?05:52
ardchoillemax_: /join #ubuntustudio05:53
OnyxYet another KDE newbie question... how can I load my own widget style?05:53
OnyxI'm already looking at the Appearance/Styles screen05:54
max_ardchoille: no one is alive in there05:54
ardchoillemax_: Regardless, that's where suport for it is. not here05:54
geniimax_: Look in your package manager for app called ubuntustudio-desktop05:56
hagabakawill there be a supported kde4 package for gutsy?05:56
max_genii:  thanks05:56
jerwareJay-Oh-En: im not using gutsy05:56
jerwareim using feisty05:57
jerwarethe tor button is not working.05:57
Jay-Oh-Enjerware: does it work on gutsy ?05:58
jerwarei never tried gutsy05:58
jerwarei cant afford to install it at the moement.05:58
jerwaresince i dont have an other device to back up my files.05:59
* burner would just go for it, backup be damned ;)06:00
Jay-Oh-Enhow do i kill a process06:09
burnerkill processid06:10
burneror killall processname06:10
burneri.e. killall firefox-bin06:10
Jay-Oh-Enhtop06:10
Jay-Oh-Enoops06:10
Jay-Oh-Enthanks06:11
burneryou can kill it with htop too06:12
koshaboiDoes anyone know when KDE4 FINAL will on the repositories?06:12
burnernope06:12
bazhangthat will be a big download I'd guess :}06:13
stdinkoshaboi: as soon as KDE 4.0.0 is released by kde.org06:13
koshaboiI have KDE RC2 right now but like have of it doesn't even seem to work06:13
koshaboiso I'm hoping that the final release will be better06:13
* Jucato points koshaboi to http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/317406:14
Jay-Oh-Enhttp://paulsdigitalworld.blogspot.com/2008/01/complete-ubuntu-speed-up-tweak-guide.html would this guide work for me?06:18
OnyxHow do I use *.kth files?06:26
stdinJay-Oh-En: my comments: 1) to #3 don't do "vm.swappiness=0" < it's evil, 2) to #6 don't remove TTYs, you may well regret it, 3) to #15 hdparm doesn't really do anything any more. the rest is either gnome related or should be "ok" ("ok" meaning it shouldn't break anything, but be careful on #2 and #4 or it may)06:26
Jay-Oh-Enok06:27
Jay-Oh-Enthanks06:27
Jay-Oh-Eni thought i was ignored06:27
Jay-Oh-Enobviously not06:27
Jay-Oh-En:]06:27
stdinI had to actually read it you know :p06:28
Jay-Oh-Enyeah06:28
Jay-Oh-Enand thanks06:28
Jay-Oh-Eni did already do vm.swappiness=006:28
Jay-Oh-Enso i should delete that?06:29
jussi01!enter06:29
stdinJay-Oh-En: yes, the kernal will manage the value better than any human can06:29
Jay-Oh-Enlol ok06:29
jussi01hmmm, what happened to the bot?06:30
stdinubotu: ping06:30
ubotupong06:30
stdin!enter06:30
ubotuPlease try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!06:30
stdinhe listens to me at least :)06:30
jussi01ubotu: test06:30
ubotuFailed.06:30
jussi01me, just had a bad minute06:30
stdinit may have been updating it's database just at the moment you tried to access it, bad timing06:31
Jay-Oh-Enjussi01: you could have just said use puncuation lol06:31
jussi01yeah, could be06:31
stdins/updating/flushing/06:31
EddieDeeis kde4 ready?06:31
jussi01EddieDee: no, its still rc206:31
adamonline45Uh oh, I just hard-rebooted my machine because Amarok was stuck, twitching, and now I don't see my taskbar... How do I re-enable it?  I already tried a restart...  Oh, KDE 4 here...06:31
Jay-Oh-Engod i cant spell :[06:31
stdinEddieDee: does it say it's ready on kde.org or kubuntu.org ?06:31
carlossomeone have freeze problem in gutsy amd6406:32
stdinadamonline45: try Alt-F2 and put in "kicker"06:32
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: what do you think of this one06:32
carlosgnome06:33
stdin1) *never* take advice from anything that tells you to do "sudo kate", it's wrong in soooooooooooo many ways06:33
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: kdesu06:34
stdinyes, but that site says "sudo" and so the author is plane dumb06:34
Jay-Oh-Enlol06:34
adamonline45stdin: Ahh, it said krunner crashed, and brought... get this... my old KDE3 taskbar up! :O  I'm getting a lot of KDE3 stuff that wants to be persistent, do you know how I can just make this KDE4 a pure install, without it trying to load all my KDE3 colors and settings?06:34
jussi01Hmmm, Im having issues with openoffice loosing all window borders and not being functional when compiz is running, anyone know how to fix this?06:34
Jay-Oh-Enso dont even use that?06:34
Jay-Oh-Enjussi01: i had that too06:35
jussi01carlos: if you are using gnome, you need to be in #ubuntu06:35
stdinJay-Oh-En: it's mostly a re-write of the other one, you don't need to do anything to speed things up. linux isn't designed to be bloated and slow06:35
Jay-Oh-Enjussi01: i uninstalled openoffice and installed kubuntu-desktop and it updated it and it worked for me again06:35
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: ok06:36
stdinadamonline45: best advice is to run kde4 as another user, eg: kde406:36
adamonline45stdin: That sounds like a good plan 8)  Thanks!06:36
carlosi am using kubuntu, i have did try ubuntu...06:37
appelzaany kde4.0 final live cd's yet?06:37
appelzaI know its soon :]06:37
jussi01appelza: /topic06:37
stdinappelza: does it say KDE 4.0 is ready on kde.org or kubuntu.org ?06:37
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: no06:38
appelzaits been tagged in svn for more than a week now :p06:38
stdinthen it's not out it is :)06:38
stdintagged != released06:38
appelzaok then06:38
Jay-Oh-Enjussi01: did you try what i suggested?06:38
stdintagged just means "no changes unless they are needed" not "no changed, it's released"06:38
jussi01Jay-Oh-En: getting there... I ran off for a sec06:39
Jay-Oh-Enok jussi0106:39
Jay-Oh-Endid i mention i purged ?06:39
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: what about swiftfox06:41
Jay-Oh-En?06:41
stdinswiftfox is evil, don't use it06:42
stdinthe author is evil and doen't like freedom06:42
stdinI think it may technically illegal too (because the author breaks the MPL)06:43
Jay-Oh-Enwhy not use it?06:44
stdinfor the reasons I've stated above :)06:44
Jay-Oh-Enlol nice but why are those reasons not to use06:44
Jay-Oh-Enand do you know any good text to speach programs?06:45
stdin1) the author is evil and doen't like freedom, 2) it may technically illegal too (because the author breaks the MPL)06:45
stdinktts is a text-to-speech app06:45
Jay-Oh-Enthanks06:45
stdin!info kttsd06:45
ubotukttsd: a Text-to-Speech system for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1948 kB, installed size 4012 kB06:45
Jay-Oh-Enwhat is a light browser then?06:46
stdinkonqueror :)06:46
Jay-Oh-Enthats still slow when i have five tabs open06:47
stdinor elinks/links/links2/w3m if you want really light06:47
ardchoilleJay-Oh-En: elinks does tabs06:47
Jay-Oh-Enwhere can i get those in repos?06:47
stdinthey text based terminal browsers06:47
ardchoille!info elinks06:47
ubotuelinks: advanced text-mode WWW browser. In component main, is optional. Version 0.11.1-1.5ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 611 kB, installed size 3340 kB06:47
ardchoilleJay-Oh-En: But, elinks is a text brwoser06:47
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: lol no i dont want that light ardchoille06:47
Jay-Oh-Entoo light for me06:48
stdinkonqueror is lighter than FF and swiftfox06:48
Jay-Oh-Eni like some gui06:48
stdinjust stop opening 50 tabs at once, ok :)06:48
jussi01are there any other alternatives than konq?06:48
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: 5 not 5006:48
ardchoilleI use konq when in x, it's fast and responsive.. but I turned off ipv6 to speed things up06:48
ardchoille!ipv606:49
ubotuTo disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv406:49
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: if somebody could help me get plugins working correctly i might use konq06:49
ardchoilleJay-Oh-En: konq uses mozilla/firefox plugins. Do you mean firefox extensions?06:50
Jay-Oh-Enardchoille: no i mean like mplayer and stuff06:50
Jay-Oh-Enardchoille: i can ever configure those correctly06:50
ardchoilleJay-Oh-En: iirc, just install the mplayer plugin for ff and restart konq06:50
Jay-Oh-Eniirc?06:51
ardchoilleIf I Remeber Correctly06:51
Jay-Oh-Enardchoille: i mean it doesnt work correctly06:51
Jay-Oh-Enardchoille: i learn someting everyday06:51
ardchoilleJay-Oh-En: Me too06:51
stephenhello06:51
Jay-Oh-Enlol06:51
Jay-Oh-Enand i cant configure konq to make webpages look correct06:53
Jay-Oh-Enfor me ff is way faster i just tested that theory06:55
Jay-Oh-Enstdin:06:57
Jay-Oh-Enardchoille:06:58
stdinJay-Oh-En:06:58
Jay-Oh-Enlol06:58
adamonline45Is there a default directory to put stuff that can be shared among all users of a computer?06:58
Jay-Oh-Endid you read what i said06:58
stdinyes I did read it06:58
ardchoilleJay-Oh-En: When did you turn off ipv6 to test?06:58
stdinadamonline45: no, but you can make one06:58
Jay-Oh-Enardchoille: i turned that off right when i got linux06:59
ardchoilleok06:59
adamonline45stdin: How do I make it so everyone can read it?  Oh wait, I just totally noobed... don't tell anyone I asked that 8D06:59
stdinadamonline45: "sudo midir /share ; sudo chmod 777 /share" then everyone can read + write, for read only use "sudo chmod 766 /share"07:00
stdinor you can set a group up and give access that way, but that takes some thought and planning07:00
geniistdin: I prefer adding extra group of users to /etc/adduser and just chown :users07:00
adamonline45stdin: Thank you for the nice response :)07:00
geniiadduser.conf07:01
adamonline45stdin: I thoguht of that, but I just need something simple... My main users (adam1 and adam2, so to speak) are set up that way...07:01
=== _czessi is now known as Czessi
stdinadding users to groups to access shared data is more secure, if it's long-term or you regally double-click things that you don't know, you want the more secure way :p07:02
adamonline45Oh on that same note, is it possible to change user names?  I didn't see anything in adduser07:03
geniiadamonline45: man usermod will give you info07:03
phoboswitam07:03
adamonline45Thank you genii07:04
stdinsystem settings -> user management -> Administrator mode -> double click the name and change it :)07:04
geniiadamonline45: Or the gui way stdin suggests :)07:04
stdinyou can use that to setup groups and other things too07:04
geniiadamonline45: Since I use not only kde I tend to give commandline way which is window-manager non specific07:06
stdinbut this is Kubuntu and I've made a new channel rule: all must use KDE :p07:07
koshaDoes anyone know why KDE su wouldn't work with the same password in KDE4 as in KDE3?07:07
stdinkosha: because we need to fix kdesu (KDE4) to work properly07:08
geniistdin: Booo!07:08
* genii hides07:08
koshaAnd, is there a graphical way to re-enable Synaptic touchpad scrolling in Kubuntu Hardy?07:09
stdinhardy questions should be directed to #ubuntu+107:09
geniikosha: The program kxgenerator is very useful sometimes07:10
chris0626891Hello?07:10
chris0626891anyone here?07:11
geniichris0626891: Yup07:11
chris0626891I have a question..07:11
chris0626891Well, two questions07:11
chris0626891How can I upgrade 7.10 to 8.04 alphas?07:11
stdin1) don't.07:11
stdinnext?07:11
chris0626891I know it has something to do with dist-upgrade right?07:11
noaXessgood morning07:12
chris0626891I realize it's not RECOMENDED07:12
chris0626891But I want to.07:12
jussi01chris0626891: quite simply, if you need to be asking questons like that, you shouldnt be doing it07:12
chris0626891Because I have trouble getting my mp3 support.07:12
noaXesswhich tool can i use to make a ghost of a whole harddisk?.. for backup..07:12
chris0626891For some reason, I can't...07:12
stdin!backup | noaXess07:12
ubotunoaXess: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning07:12
chris0626891No I've been using Ubuntu for quite some time..07:12
noaXesslike an image of the whole harddisk including partition information07:12
mrashleyhey.. is it normal behavior for kubuntu to eat your xorg changes and put it's own options in?07:12
chris0626891But.. I just forgot the command line to do it :P07:13
jussi01chris0626891: have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras ?07:13
chris0626891Well07:13
chris0626891I tried that on a previous install07:13
chris0626891But then when I tried to play my mp3 / ogms07:13
noaXess!clongin07:13
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about clongin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi07:13
noaXess!cloning07:13
chris0626891it said the audio channel was in use..07:13
ubotuTo replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate07:13
chris0626891For some reason when I installed kubuntu-restricted-extras, whenever I try to play stuff, it gives me "This Audio channel is already in use.."07:14
chris0626891So.. i don't know what the heck is wrong >_>07:14
chris0626891I'm using Kubuntu 7.10 64bit.07:14
noaXessstdin: the dd will be the choice i think :)07:15
chris0626891Does anyone know why this happens?07:15
chris0626891!flash konqueror07:15
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about flash konqueror - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi07:15
chris0626891!flash07:15
ubotuTo install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash07:15
jussi01chris0626891: upgrading to hardy will not fix these errors07:15
ubotuThe Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.07:15
chris0626891Hmm ok07:15
chris0626891So I should just install kubuntu-restricted-extras07:16
stdinnoaXess: dd is great, unless you want a GUI :)07:16
jussi01chris0626891: correct, then comeback if you have an  error07:16
noaXessstdin: no.. command line is better in some cases..07:16
chris0626891ok..07:16
jussi01:)07:16
chris0626891Also, how do I get Flash onto konqueror?  I'm using Kubuntu 7.10 64-bit07:16
stdinnoaXess: only some, I live in the command line07:16
chris0626891(Nevermind, I'll just use Firefox)07:17
chris0626891Ok let me try this stuff out, thanks for helping me.07:17
* stdin currently has 6 shells open, and that's less than usual07:17
noaXessstdin: if i really copy one hd to another with dd: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb.. can i dan plugin /dev/sdb an boot from it without other changes?07:17
chris0626891I'm pretty good with Ubuntu, but when it comes to Kubuntu, i'm kind of unfamiliar with it.07:17
noaXesschris0626891: why? the background is the same..07:17
chris0626891I know.07:18
chris0626891I do most stuff through the GUI though07:18
chris0626891I do know most of the command line options for popular things..07:18
noaXessthe diffrent is only the window manager and kde..07:18
stdinnoaXess: it may, I'm not sure if it matters if the disks are different sizes07:18
chris0626891I know. ;)07:18
noaXessstdin: .. i will make a try :)07:18
noaXessbetter to test it... then have a failed system without testing.. :)07:19
stdinyes it is :)07:19
chris0626891When KDE 4.0 is released tomorrow (today), how long do you think it will take to get into the repos?07:21
stdinchris0626891: 1) today (11th), 2) when it's released07:21
chris0626891... I realize it's released on the 11th, which is today.07:22
chris0626891But how long will it take to get into the Kubuntu repos.07:22
chris0626891And will there be a simple option to convert over?  (I assume this would be posted on the Kubuntu site)07:22
stdinwhen kde 4.0 is released it'll be in the repos07:22
* jussi01 hugs stdin 07:23
stdinwe'll have instructions on kubuntu.org and link to it in the topic07:23
chris0626891Ok thank you :)07:23
=== stdin changed the topic of #kubuntu to: Official Kubuntu support | FAQ: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/CommonQuestions | Kubuntu CDs! https://shipit.kubuntu.org | Pastes: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | OT in #kubuntu-offtopic please | no, KDE 4.0 has NOT been released yet | Tutorials Day logs at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay | The Flash plugin installation is currently broken
stdinnow we can tell if people actually read the topic or not ;)07:25
chris0626891(Sorry)07:25
stdinchris0626891: it wasn't in there when you joined, so that's ok07:25
=== chris0626891 is now known as flamesage
flamesage!register07:26
ubotuBy default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration07:26
flamesageHmm07:26
flamesagedid anyone see that? >_>07:27
jussi01flamesage: see what?07:27
flamesageOk nevermind07:27
flamesageI registered, and I thought it echoed my password.  :P07:27
jussi01flamesage: nope :D07:27
stdinalways do that in the server tab :)07:28
* jussi01 agrees though07:28
stdinor '/query nickserv' to open a new tab with just nickserv07:28
flamesageSo yeah... I'm kind of bored.07:28
flamesage!bored07:28
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about bored - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi07:28
flamesage!keeping me happy07:28
stdinplay in #ubuntu-offtopic and stop abusing ubotu :)07:29
stdinhe has feelings to07:29
Jucatobut more importantly, ops have feelings, and they don't like it when the bot is abused :)07:29
flamesageha.07:29
jussi01!botabuse > flamesage07:30
stdinhere ubotu is like a family pet, and the ops are the family. please don't kick the dog :)07:30
Jucatoor cat...07:30
Jucato:)07:30
* jussi01 hugs ubotu 07:30
flamesage:x07:30
flamesagewhy won't someone hug me... :(07:30
stdinnah, don't like cats that much :p07:30
JucatoI do :P07:31
stdinfine ubotu can be a hybrid dog/cat/gerbil, ok? :p07:32
flamesageI think ubotu is simply a machine to make my life easier.07:33
stdinno, it's a python program with several plugins actually07:33
stdinbut it's still our pet python program with several plugins07:34
flamesageSo it's a python.07:34
flamesageSimple.07:34
flamesage:)07:34
flamesageif i install KDE 4 by use of.. http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php, will I be able to simply do a sudo apt-get update tomorrow?07:34
stdinit's better to wait, unless you want to download hundreds of MB twice07:35
flamesageThe only thing that sucks though..07:36
flamesageIs there a way to keep 3.5 ane 4.0 menus seperate?07:36
flamesageI don't want 4.0 programs in KDE 3.x07:36
stdinnope, it's designed specifically to be integrated07:37
Lazarushi there07:43
Lazarusim about to reinstall kubuntu07:43
Lazaruswhat should i do to make reconfiguring as easy as possible?07:43
flamesageok.07:43
flamesageIronic, Lazarus came back from the dead :P07:43
Lazarusflamesage, yeah07:43
flamesageHa :P07:43
flamesageAnyway..07:43
Lazarusthats why i like the name, its neat07:43
flamesageDid you have your /home/ in a seperate partition?07:44
flamesageAnd why exactly are you reinstalling might I ask?07:44
Lazarusflamesage, its gotten too bloated for my liking07:45
Lazarussome im going to reinstall and make it a little cleaner again07:45
Lazarusflamesage, no, its on the same07:45
Lazarushow should i set up my partitions?07:45
Lazarusi usually put / all in one07:45
jussi01!home | Lazarus07:45
ubotuLazarus: Your home folder is where all of your personal files are usually kept. For mounting your home folder on a separate partition, please see: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome07:45
Lazarusi know some people split /etc /home or /usr07:46
Lazaruseven /boot07:46
sexy_hi guys07:48
flamesagehey07:48
flamesage... what's up?07:48
sexy_i need repair my kopete..07:48
flamesagewhats wrong with it?07:49
=== flamesage is now known as Kage
KageAhh..07:49
KageA nice "K" feel to it.07:49
sexy_kopete have a error 1107:49
jussi01sexy_: have you just installed?07:50
jussi01!nickspam > Kage07:50
=== Kage is now known as flamesage
flamesageSorry. T_T07:51
wersdaluvwhere do I get kde 4?? :D :))07:51
flamesageIt's not released yet.07:51
* stdin directs wersdaluv to *read* the topic07:52
wersdaluvok. lol :D07:52
* flamesage backhands07:52
wersdaluvwhen are kubuntu packages coming out?07:52
sexy_yes07:53
flamesagewe don't know.07:53
wersdaluvoooh. okayy07:53
flamesage.. yes isn't a valid answer.07:53
stdinwhen is kde 4.0.0 coming out? they both have the same answer07:53
flamesage... yes? o_007:53
sexy_my einglish is  very bad07:53
stdin"no one knows the exact time, today though"07:53
sexy_sorry07:53
wersdaluvso the kubuntu packages are going to be released today too?07:54
flamesageNot if KDE 4.0 is released at 11:59:99, probably not.07:54
stdinas soon as kde 4.0.0 is released, yes07:54
stdinand I mean, as soon as ;)07:54
appelzaseriously? :D07:55
appelzanice.07:55
wersdaluvniiice07:55
flamesageme sheds a tear07:55
* flamesage sheds a tear07:55
flamesageI want KDE 4.0 so badly.07:55
flamesageSo stdin, do you think there will be any showstopping bugs?07:55
flamesageI tried the RC2, it seemed pretty stable.07:55
wersdaluvI'm a gnome user07:55
appelzaSo, if say I want to run konversation on kde4, do I simply compile the latest version against QT4 ?07:55
flamesageThough I don't beleive sound was working...07:55
wersdaluv*hides07:55
* stdin coughs and points to http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/317407:55
flamesageme hands stdin a tissue07:56
stdinappelza: no, it doesn't work like that at all07:56
stdinjust run konversation in kde4, it'll work fine07:56
stdinbut konversation will need porting to qt4/kde407:56
appelzacool, but still using the QT3 libs then07:56
appelzaI see07:56
appelza:]07:56
stdinthere will be a konversation 1.1 before a kde4 version anyway07:57
appelzaCool07:58
flamesageThey should have released it 3 hours ago07:59
=== SarraHH is now known as AzAel
stdinflamesage: why? not everyone is in your timezone08:00
flamesageTrue, but then it would make it faster for you guys :)08:00
flamesageThe quicker we get KDE 4.0, the better.08:01
stdinwe're all set to go, just waiting on the word "GO!"08:01
flamesageYou got it on a RSS feed?08:01
flamesageAre you guys releasing a custom iso CD?  Or simply uploading them to the repos?08:01
stdinwe'll be informed, and kde.org will be updated. and yes, there will be a Kubuntu KDE4 CD08:02
stdinlike I said, we're just waiting on the word now08:02
appelzaawesome08:03
appelza:D gj08:03
flamesageOk, sorry for all of the annoying questions :P  Will the KDE 4 iso be based off of 7.10 or 8.04a?08:05
stdin7.10 afaik08:05
stdinyeah, 7.10 for sure08:06
flamesageokie dokie.'08:06
Makuserufirefox keeps telling me i need to install flash, but when i go to install it it says "flash non-free is already installed" whats up with this?08:06
stdinMakuseru: seen the topic?08:07
intelikeysounds like the .deb installed but didn't run the install script08:07
Makuserustdin: oh, ha. i knew that08:07
flamesageme thinks "I don't think they did"08:07
intelikeyall the .deb is, is an installer script   unless i'm badly missinformed08:08
* flamesage thinks "I don't think they did"08:08
Makuseruany news when it will be fizeD?08:08
AzAelerrr how do i force a FQDN to a specific ip address ie...win hosts file08:08
Makuserufixed*08:08
stdinwhen adobe feel like it?08:08
stdinSee http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix. (from /msg ubotu flash)08:09
AzAelnevermind08:10
AzAeltemporary brain freeze08:10
AzAelive seen it everyday for the last year and it just clicked :P08:12
intelikeyso what's new in the *buntu world ?    anything remarkable ?08:14
stdinKDE 4.0.0 comes out today :)08:15
intelikeywell that is remarkable08:15
stdinit'll take more than 4MB RAM, so not sure if you're interested ;)08:15
intelikeystdin you been running it for a while havent you ?08:15
intelikey:)08:15
* intelikey </blushes>08:16
stdinyeah, I've been running the alpha/RC released, 4.0.0 is very nice indeed08:16
intelikeytov   i'm glad to hear good things about it.     but just out of curiosity,  how would a minimalist feel about it ?08:17
intelikeycan one still strip it down pretty easily ?08:17
stdinall you really need are the kdebase-* packages08:17
ZombocomI dual boot windows and linux08:18
stdinthat'll pull plasma, phonon and everything needed for a base desktop08:18
Zombocomhow do I add the windows fonts to linux08:18
jussi01!fonts | Zombocom08:18
ubotuZombocom: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer08:18
ZombocomI tried to install msttcorefonts and it messed up08:18
Zombocomit says I have them installed08:18
intelikeystdin hmmm when i upgrade i'll have to try this new DE08:18
Zombocombut I don't08:18
Zombocomand when I try to remove it it freezes08:19
stdinintelikey: it's miles different from 3.5.x, it's definitely more "wow" :)08:19
intelikeyman. linux doesn't handle floppy disk defects well at all.08:20
intelikeystdin cool.    if "wow" is indeed a good thing that is...08:21
stdinyes "wow" is a good thing in this case, unlike vista :p08:21
AzAeleek floppy disk08:21
intelikey:)08:21
flamesageOh sweet.08:21
flamesageI just realized you guys updated the KDE RC packages.08:21
flamesageWell, they've been updated since last anyway.08:21
flamesageKDE 4 (RC?) is working great.08:21
intelikeyflamesage <stdin> KDE 4.0.0 comes out today :)08:22
AzAeli swear the quality of floppy disks has detriorated drasticly in the last few years08:22
flamesageI know.08:22
flamesageBut the packages have been updated since last time I tried them.08:22
stdinshhh! keep it under your hat ;)08:22
intelikeyAzAel yes it's a conspiracy.  they are trying to force everyone to abandon the floppy.08:22
AzAellol i have floppiues from 15 years ago that are still readable08:23
flamesageThough.. it looks like the screen resolution is getting.. cut off.08:23
* intelikey still has both 5.25 and 3.5 drives in his box08:23
AzAeloh wow that reminds me i still have arkanoid on 5.2508:24
intelikey:)08:24
AzAeland tetris i used to run on the original 8086 1mhz clone08:24
AzAel8088??08:25
AzAelwith 640k mem and ......wait for it...........CGA GRAPHICS ADAPTOR08:25
intelikeyi had to reload (low level format the 20m 5.25" hdd) in an old 80286 today   and kept asking for this disk and that disk,   then i remembered that you had to make a config.sys with "files=20" or higher   for some of those old programs to load    :)08:26
AzAelhehehe msdos 3 and earlier08:26
intelikeyibm-dos 3.3008:26
AzAelthat was WOW back then08:27
AzAel"moving blocks!!!" .....WOW!!!!"08:27
intelikeyindeed,   that tandy 1000 was a top of the line machine back then.08:27
jussi01!ot08:27
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!08:27
intelikeyhi jussi01   long C++ no time.08:27
AzAelok ok08:27
jussi01heya intelikey08:28
Jucatog++ -o intelikey intelikey.cpp08:28
* intelikey </blinks> & </shrinks>08:28
intelikeyJucato :)08:29
AzAelhow long before 4.0.0 is expected in the repos?08:29
flamesageThey don't know yet.08:30
flamesage!KDE408:30
ubotukde4 is KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://tinyurl.com/2gqwmr - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php08:30
* AzAel hopes for nice metapackage that configures all the paths08:30
flamesageI think I'm just going to install straight from the CD08:30
flamesageI thought they said that the new KDE 4 had a bunch of effects liks compiz......08:31
AzAelvanilla kde 4 install?08:31
flamesageIs thist rue?08:31
flamesageIs this true?08:31
flamesageBecause I see no kind of options like that on this RC....08:31
AzAelbuilt into kwin i believe08:31
flamesageOh, so theres no way to configure it?08:31
flamesageOh doh08:31
flamesageI just found them08:31
flamesageSorry, there under Desktop08:31
AzAelyes from what i have seen of recent builds, but only cause someone said so08:31
intelikeykde and not configurable ???      heh.08:32
stdinit is, you just have to know where to look ;)08:32
intelikey"right click it"08:32
stdinit's berried in systemsetting under desktop08:33
AzAelhahaha ctrl alt bksp08:33
intelikeycan't get there from the right mouse button no more ?08:33
stdinyou may be able to, can't remember atm08:33
intelikeyit just wouldn't be kde if you can't right click and configure it08:34
AzAelso the new hardy heron alpha is here whats the k status?08:34
flamesageTurning on Desktop Effects really pissed off KDE 4 :P08:34
Makuseruwaht is the name of the package i need to play restricted file formats?08:34
AzAeldesktop effects still pisses off alot of things08:34
intelikey!mp308:35
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats08:35
stdinintelikey: no, right clicking the desktop lets you configure the desktop plasmoid instead :p08:35
intelikeyhmmm   ok.08:35
Makuseruthanks08:36
stdineverything on the desktop (including the desktop itself) is a plasmoid/applet/widget08:36
intelikeyincluding the desktop you say ?08:36
AzAelyeah take desktop zoom for example08:36
stdinyeah, the desktop and the icons too08:37
stdinit's all very "swoosh"ish08:37
intelikeysounds like they have really made a vidio game out of the DE     counter productive to some i'm sure.08:37
stdinit's actually all rather intuitive to the user08:38
intelikeystdin how much you know about iptables ?08:38
stdinyou really have to try it to get a the feeling of it08:38
intelikeyi will08:39
AzAelintelikey: people soon learn to either utilise or turn of what they dont need08:39
stdinintelikey: erm, I know how to get a GUI to configure iptables for me :p iptabled has always been the one command that's complexity just scares me08:39
jammen33so how do i get amarok2 in kubuntu kde4?08:41
stdinyou can't. amarok2 wasn't releases with kde 4.0.008:41
Jucatoamarok2 it isn't released yet at all08:41
intelikeystdin ok how do i get iptables to forward traffic from eth0 (192.168.0.0/24 network) to eth1 (192.168.1.0/24 network) and vice versa ?    the gui tools firestarter and guarddog do not support dubble linking networks like that.08:41
intelikeythey might support it if i had another interface that they could firewall out as the internet connection.  but with only those two and trying to get traffic to flow both ways smothly is not an easy feet.08:43
stdinintelikey: hmm, "iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT" and "iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -j ACCEPT" maybe, or something like that08:44
intelikeyi googled around until my browser hurt.  it doesn't seem that anyone else has wanted to do this.08:44
intelikeyi'll give that a shot.    but i think i have tried it already.08:44
stdinyou may need "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE" and "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" too, not at all sure08:45
intelikeyhmmm maybe the combo of both...  i don't think i tried both.   not togather08:46
intelikeyi'm also not sure where i came up with this rule    -A OUTPUT -d 224.0.0.1 -j DROP    nor what it actually does08:48
intelikeythat seems to be some default08:48
stdindoesn't that just drop outbound to 224.0.0.1?08:49
intelikeyyeah but why ?08:49
stdinI've no idea, my iptables has no rules by default08:49
intelikeyi can ping that address but i can't tracepath it08:50
intelikeywhois turns up blank on it to08:51
stdin"grep -r 224\\.0\\.0\\.1 /etc" may show where it's coming from08:51
stdinI don't know why, but grep really does need \\. for a literal "." rather than just "\.", even when the string is quoted...08:53
gan|y|medhi08:53
gan|y|medeverytime i open a window it is placed right in the middle at the top of the screen which is really annyoing. is there way to change this? window placement is set to smart, though08:54
intelikeybecause of dubble quotes rather than single quotes08:55
intelikeyi.e. shall expands the first.08:55
intelikeygrep the second08:55
stdinintelikey: so why does "/bin/echo echo "\."" work?08:56
stdinminus 1 "echo" ;)08:56
Daisuke_Idostdin: i found it quite...  humorous :)08:56
intelikeystdin idk.   i was playing with that too.08:57
stdinmaybe it's just something to do with grep internals and regexp usage08:58
intelikeystdin but the proof is in the puding http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d18a08a2108:59
intelikeywhy echo is different i don't know.09:00
christianphi all09:01
intelikeychristianp09:01
sMonkstdin: Thought I'd pop on before I goto work... and I see you're still on?? LoL, You ever sleep?09:01
intelikeysMonk course not....    !09:02
stdinsleep, isn't that a command?09:02
intelikeystdin only sleeps when stdout and stderr are busy.09:02
sMonkstdin: shudown -h 12/30/202509:03
sMonklol09:04
stdinlaptop(hardy): "09:04:17 up 3 days,  3:54,  2 users,  load average: 0.47, 0.27, 0.30", server(gutsy): "09:04:21 up 24 days, 11:33,  3 users,  load average: 0.25, 0.20, 0.17"09:04
christianpi need to open a tunnel in a vpn type pptp witn mschapv2 protocol... I'm trying KVpnc with no success...09:05
christianpanyone can hel me?09:05
sMonkI see.. lol09:05
christianpthe only auth method i can choose is chap and pap... no mschapv209:06
sMonkI was just taking a look in PackageManager... wow, lots of KDE4 stuff.. which ones do you reccommend first?09:08
intelikeykdebase-*09:08
sMonklol, I have a buffet of dragon.. lol09:08
stdinactually we recommend "kde4-core" first :)09:09
sMonkHmmm.. that's what I was looking for.. didn't see them09:09
se7enintelikey: it's not out jet or (kde4)09:09
intelikeybuffet of dragon  :)      some times you eat the dragon,  some times the dragon eats you...09:09
sMonkyou got that right.. :)09:10
intelikeystdin have they not made a meta package kde4 yet ?09:10
stdinyeah, "kde4-core" is one of them09:10
intelikeyoh.   ok.  that will bring in all the must haves i perpose09:11
stdinI actually made it a while ago, but just uploaded it to gutsy today09:11
stdinyeah, kde4-core is what you need for a function desktop09:11
sMonkintelikey: I see 7 files that are kdebase - all relating to kde409:11
intelikeysMonk see stdin ^09:12
sMonkoh yeah? ok.. I'll keep that in mind.09:12
sMonkthanks stdin.. I gotta head out to work.. but I'll give'r when I get home. I can only expect you'll till be on any way.. lol.. j/k09:13
stdinsMonk: probably :p09:13
sMonkit's 04:13 for me09:13
intelikeynah he'll be here.09:13
sMonkC'ya again guys09:13
intelikeystdin ok one more networking Q   the route command.    i need to add a route that will kick all traffic looking for 192.168.1.0/24 over to 192.168.0.6      i can't make that the default gw cause 192.168.0.1 has to be default.    do you know how i need to form the command for it to add the route with the netmask 255.255.255.0 ?    i tried  "route -v add 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.0.6" which errors out.  if i 09:18
intelikeythe netmask is then 255.255.255.255   which wont work.09:18
intelikey?09:19
intelikeyalso tried route -v add 192.168.1.0/24 gw 192.168.0.6    which errors out09:20
intelikeythe -v is not needed.09:20
stdinI think "route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.0.6" maybe also with "dev ethX" appended09:20
mikkaelhow can i save my session manually in kde4 (without the new menu?)09:21
stdinerm, ask in #kde I have no clue right now09:22
intelikeystdin ty.   i'll play with that some.09:22
flamesageHello again.09:25
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intelikeyflamesage09:32
intelikeywhat do you make of this error    tracepath 192.168.1.509:42
intelikey 1:  send failed09:42
llutzintelikey: nic broken, cable broken, interface down?09:44
intelikeynone of the above.09:44
intelikeynetwork working fine.09:44
sigma_1234does disabling ipv6 make network connections faster?09:45
stdinsigma_1234: it will make resolving IP addresses faster, but nothing after that09:45
Agent_bobllutz i'm on that box in question, and talking through the box from which the trace was done.09:46
llutzintelikey: filtering iptables rule?09:46
Agent_bobprobably09:46
sigma_1234im stil trying to figure out why my laptop is jerking when playing video over wireless09:47
Agent_bobthe problem i'm having is everything that deals with setting up a nat is also geared toward firewalling out everything on the other side of the same box.   i have a box between two nats09:47
sigma_1234because it was working perfectly before. only started playing up now09:48
sigma_1234its even worse when i play the same file off the hdd09:50
Agent_bobso i setup the biddle box with ipmasq and it makes it a one way gate.   i set it up manually   and it don't work at all.    (yes i'm network illiterate)    i ask advice and people help me but it still don't do what i would like it to do.    i would like the box in the middle to simply forward all traffic to the aproprate lan.09:50
Agent_bobbiddle=middle09:50
intelikeysigma_1234 not a cron job in the way is there ?09:51
sigma_1234glxgears is smooth before playing the video but jerks after playing it09:51
intelikeyummmm never mind.   it's probably not that then.09:52
sigma_1234intelikey: how would i know if there is?09:52
intelikeytop ksysguard ps pstree .... several other tools09:52
llutzAgent_bob: for straight forwarding you won't need NAT/masq, just ip_forwarding active09:52
intelikeyllutz ipv4 forwarding is active   i'll flush all iptables rules and     err be back after i reboot cause i can't fix it....09:54
intelikey;/09:54
sigma_1234whats the command to re configure xorg again?09:54
intelikeysudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg09:55
intelikeyyou can p hi or low if you want09:55
intelikeysudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh     or -plow09:55
sigma_1234whats the difference?09:56
intelikeyman dpkg-reconfigure     knows09:56
Jay-Oh-Enhow do i delete all the configuration files and settings for kopete09:57
Ange|uswhen is gonna kubuntu provide packages for kde4 ?09:58
intelikeywell i lost the forward contenuity,  and still don't have backward contenuity09:59
cinemagoocan anyone help me w pxe network booting problem?10:00
cinemagoointelikey: you have second to help?10:02
intelikeyyeah but i don't know anything about networking.10:02
stdinAnge|us: when kde 4.0.0 is released10:02
cinemagoowell...10:03
cinemagooI am getting an error /init 1:can't open10:04
cinemagootemp/net-eth0.conf"10:04
cinemagoo[02:14] <cinemagoo> kernel panic not syncing:  attemped to kill init!10:04
sigma_1234well this is a shame. looks like its back to windows for this laptop. hope kde4 works with it better10:05
Ange|usstdin: it is realesed10:06
stdinAnge|us: where exactly on http://www.kde.org/ does it say that?10:06
cinemagoowho knows about networking and kubuntu10:07
Ange|usand i just discovered that kubuntu already compiled the parts that are enough to run kde4 and you can get by doin the steps in the kde4 RC2 announcemeny10:07
Ange|us*announcment10:07
sigma_1234all it says is that the wait is over10:07
stdinthat's not an announcement10:08
intelikeycinemagoo i might mention that that is not at all kde specific   so you might find someone in #ubuntu that could help...  just a thought.10:08
stdinAnge|us: it's not official until kde.org say so10:08
intelikeyi can't.  i'm banned from there...  ;/10:08
cinemagoowhy?10:09
intelikeymentioned warez    and shouldn't have i guess.10:09
cinemagoooops10:09
sigma_1234but this is weird. why would glxgears work fine right till a video is playing and then start getting unresponsive? let me try play a mp310:09
Ange|usstdin:  so? its not officialy available, but distros already have the source in their hands and started compiling xD10:10
stdinhow else do you expect anyone to be able to distribute packages today?10:10
Ange|usso , if distributions got the source, gentoo already released it, and people can check it out from kde's snapshots, then , its released, even dough NOT ANNOUNCED but its RELEASED10:12
sigma_1234can anyone list the proper packages needed for mpeg playback for me?10:12
Ange|usstdin: if i released a prisoner from his prison , but didn't announce it, it doesnt mean he's not released . even dough it wouldn't be official.10:13
Ange|usxD10:13
stdinAnge|us: no amount of "reasoning" will change our stance on that issue10:13
sire_winstonhi there10:14
sire_winstoncould someone cite off for me real quick the command to reconfigure xserver?10:15
stdin!xconfig10:15
ubotuTo reconfigure your X server, open a console and type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg » - To configure only the driver and resolution, type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh » - See also !FixRes10:15
sire_winstonit goes something like sudo dpkg xserver-xorg?10:15
sire_winstoni keep typing it in wrong10:15
sire_winstonstdin : thanks mate10:15
intelikey!tab | sire_winston10:15
ubotusire_winston: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.10:15
sire_winstonintelikey : that was a revolation to me when i found that out10:16
sire_winstonits such a labor savor10:16
Ange|ussee ya later guys10:16
Ange|uspeace10:16
intelikeyshalom Ange|us10:16
intelikeysire_winston but it does get in the way when you hit a shell that doesn't support it and everything you start to type comes ou       t li        k        e th        i        s10:18
stdinI like how scp has tab-completion10:19
intelikeyyeah  but on a slow connection that can also suck10:19
intelikeywhen it has to check the remote each time you hit it10:19
stdinwell I only use it on my lan, so it's fine here :)10:19
intelikeyindeed :)10:20
ActionParsniphi all10:30
ActionParsnipis there any way to make irc clients automatically fire a command / string of commands when connecting to a certain server (or even any server for that matter)10:31
stdindepends on the client10:32
zetheroowhats the repo for KDE4?10:32
stdinzetheroo: that will be announced when 4.0.0 has been released10:32
zetheroostdin: it has been.... just today10:33
ActionParsnipstdin, i'm on hydrairc but if the mozillairc does it i willchange10:33
stdinzetheroo: until kde.org says so10:33
zetheroostdin: a friend of mine already got it from the repos.....10:34
stdinActionParsnip: I don't know about those 210:34
zetheroostdin: he gave them to me but I forgot to copy them10:34
stdinzetheroo: then just wait a while10:34
ActionParsnipstdin: can you suggest one that does please10:34
stdinkonversation does, xchat does and irssi does. those are the ones i've tried10:35
parkinwhats your maximum level in kbounce?10:36
zetheroohttp://tombuntu.com/index.php/2007/12/18/how-to-install-kde-4-rc-2-in-ubuntu/10:36
stdin!ot | parkin10:36
ubotuparkin: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!10:36
zetheroostdin: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2007/12/18/how-to-install-kde-4-rc-2-in-ubuntu/10:36
parkinsorry10:36
stdinzetheroo: that's RC2, not 4.0.0 release10:37
zetheroostdin: yeah....10:37
zetheroostdin: sorry... thats what I guess I meant10:37
stdinjust wait a while, when kde.org announces it there will be packages10:37
david__hi! anyone know when the kde4 packages will be available in gutsy-backports?10:42
stdindavid__: some time today probably, if not then tomorrow10:43
david__stdin: thank you10:45
ActionParsniphi all10:46
ActionParsnipis there a way i can find out if my username is IDENTIFYd?10:46
stdinActionParsnip: /whois yourself10:47
ActionParsnipstdin,  ActionParsnip is identified to services - I'm guessing i'm ok10:48
stdinyep :P10:49
ActionParsnipstdin, sweet. got it all scripted in to identify and login to this channel when i run my client10:49
ActionParsnipBooya!10:49
bauer_i use Konversation to log on irc. How can i change the browser from quanta+ to firefox ?10:50
stdinit should use KDEs settings from System Settings -> Default Applications10:50
ActionParsnipstdin, there is a setting in konversation so you can override it10:52
bauer_its alredy set to firefox10:52
ActionParsnipjust googling10:52
stdinSettings → Configure Konversation → Behaviour → General → Use a custom Web browser10:52
ActionParsnipbauer is it set to firefox in konversation10:53
stdinset it to: firefox "%u"10:53
bauer_stdin: thx , it hit the spot. :-)10:54
parkinhow do i remove the jumping application icon at the mouse pointer when a program starts?10:59
ActionParsnipparkin, just searching now11:03
ActionParsnipparkin, Go to Run command type kcontrol, then open appeareance & themes and look under "launch feedback"11:05
ActionParsnipparkin, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38394811:06
SajesHow do you set the clock to UTC? I can't find the setting anywhere.11:06
ActionParsnipparkin, did you google before asking?11:06
stdinSajes: system settings -> time & date11:06
ActionParsnipSajes, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-43810.html11:06
ActionParsnipSajes, check the bottom11:07
Sajesthank you. :)11:07
ActionParsnipSajes, np man11:10
* marcx zbohom budte neublizil som, zajtra zbohom budem11:11
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* stdin points at the topic and grins11:18
greenery_congrats11:19
Riddellthanks stdin11:20
stdinlet the mass downloading begin :)11:20
ActionParsnipdownloading of what?11:21
stdinsee the topic11:21
ActionParsnipoooh nice11:22
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bostikkde4 released11:23
stdinyes, that is what the topic says :)11:24
stdinthat extra space in there is annoying me...11:24
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greenery_backup necessary to use KDE 4.0?11:24
greenery_before using*11:24
stdinno, it uses ~/.kde4 so doesn't touch any kde3 settings11:25
greenery_cool11:25
greenery_gonna give it a go11:25
ActionParsnipstdin, is it in the repos?11:25
stdinActionParsnip: link in the topic11:25
stdintells you exactly how to get it right now11:26
ActionParsnipstdin, if it doesnt come down with my apt-get update i'm not bothered11:26
sub[t]rnlstdin➜ nice work on the packaging front.  Time for a little vaca now that its out? :>11:26
stdinActionParsnip: it uses another repo, so it is apt-get :P, but i'll be in -backports soon enough11:27
ActionParsnipi'll stick with what ive got11:27
abcdHello, "startkde in the Xerphyr xterm" what does it mean. Could anyone explain?11:27
stdinsub[t]rnl: hmm, maybe. I never thought what I'd no *after* it's released :p11:27
sub[t]rnlmuaha11:27
* firecrotch is installing KDE4 :)11:28
stdinabcd: just paste in the command it shows, then in the terminal that opens put "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde"11:29
stdinabcd: but I'd recommend running a full session, it's much better11:31
ActionParsnipits come so far :) http://www.kbglob.com/fotos/kde1.jpg11:31
stdinaww, I remember those days :)11:31
stdinwow, is that netscape it see on the desktop :p11:31
ActionParsnipgood ol nutscrape11:32
ActionParsnipnetscape nowadays = http://images.betanews.com/betanews/articles/1109870204/netscape8beta.png11:35
stdinlooks like a mix between IE7, Firefox and the eeePC11:35
abcdstdin: I do not know if I have understood you; does it mean that i need not to follow the last step of the instruction (this one: "To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install ........") sorry for my english11:35
firecrotchI read that AOL was ending development and support for Netscape in February11:36
ActionParsnipfirecrotch, yeah but aol are losers11:36
stdinabcd: yeah, just logout and then before you login choose "KDE 4" from the sessions menu (in the bottom right of the login screen)11:36
firecrotchI kinda like AOL... or used to... I never had to buy coasters11:36
abcdstdin: thank you very much :-)11:37
ActionParsnipfirecrotch, the service was ok. just that brwser they force people to use in the early days. slowly takes over your pc11:37
firecrotchActionParsnip: Oh I know all about that :)11:38
dbglthi everyone, I'm just wondering how stable hardy will be for a day to day user? I've got some linux experience, but am looking to help out on a relatively stable platform (and use kde4!)11:39
firecrotchdbglt:  It's still in alpha right now, so its really only recommended for those who are developers or those who have a spare machine to try it out on11:41
stdindbglt: hardy is not recommended for general users11:41
stdindbglt: you want KDE 4? see the topic :)11:41
firecrotchSpeaking of KDE4, I'll *hopefully* be back in a moment running KDE4 :)11:42
dbgltstdin: thank you :)11:42
IrkallaHey guys11:43
stdin!hi11:43
ubotuHi! Welcome to #kubuntu!11:43
IrkallaI'm having trouble getting my wireless card to work with Kubuntu.11:43
IrkallaAnyone wanna help? :P11:44
stdinlooked on the wireless docs?11:44
stdin!wifi11:44
IrkallaYep11:44
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs11:44
IrkallaTried two solutions11:44
stdinwhat make/model ?11:44
Irkallaboth were very long, neither worked.11:44
Irkallaeh11:44
IrkallaBroadcom 13xx11:44
IrkallaI think11:44
Jay-Oh-Enhow do i make kopete find all of the people that ive added on aim in the past? or how do i make it reconize all my buddies11:45
wesleycan we install the kde4 live cd to disk?11:45
stdinwesley: I believe so11:45
effie_jayxis it out yet?11:45
wesleydid you add the miss spots?11:45
stdinIrkalla: I think the only solution is the ndiswrapper way11:46
IrkallaI tried it11:46
Irkalladidn't work.11:46
stdineffie_jayx: seen the topic?11:46
Irkallabah.11:46
* effie_jayx does a "ubuntu-release thing"11:46
effie_jayxstdin,  that was the whole point... ;)11:46
IrkallaIm using a Broadcome 134811:46
IrkallaI believe.11:46
IrkallaBroadcom*11:46
firecrotchWow, KDE4 is sexy!!! :)11:47
IrkallaOntop of that, Im a complete noob to KDE and Ubuntu.11:47
IrkallaxD11:47
firecrotchThanks, stdin and everyone else for all your hard work!11:47
Irkallafirecrotch lol11:47
stdinfirecrotch: pop into #kde4-devel they did most if the work :)11:47
Jay-Oh-Enhow do i make kopete find all of the people that ive added on aim in the past? or how do i make it reconize all my buddies11:48
IrkallaRight now Im dualing Vista and Kubuntu :P11:48
Jay-Oh-Enonce you get all your problems fixe11:48
Jay-Oh-Enfixed11:48
Jay-Oh-Enyou should delete vista11:48
IrkallaI know11:48
nareshovhis choice, really11:49
IrkallaAt least vista has good driver support >.>11:49
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* Irkalla makes a sizzle noise11:49
nareshovIrkalla, I made sure I bought a laptop with parts supported by linux11:49
Irkalla:o11:49
Irkallathey actually make those?11:49
Irkallawow.11:49
nareshoverm11:49
Jay-Oh-Ennareshov: i didnt even know about linux when i bought my computer11:49
nareshovjust check if the parts are supported11:49
nareshovthat's all ;)\\11:50
Irkallalinux does need to work on their driver support though11:50
Irkallaand wireless network discovery as well.11:50
Jay-Oh-EnIrkalla: yeah but alot of stuff is supported11:50
Irkallathat's my only complaints.11:50
Jay-Oh-EnALOT11:50
Jay-Oh-Enthey only have trouble with wireless it seems to me11:50
Irkallayeah, but just my luck, my st00fz aren't.11:50
Jay-Oh-Enbesides little bugs11:50
flithmhey everyone... when I try to use kopete from kde4 to connect to gtalk with encryption it says something about protocol not registered... anyone know how to get rid of this?11:50
firecrotchIrkalla: It would help if hardware vendors would help out a bit and at least provide some documentation on their products11:51
cntbJay-Oh-En, you happy w. linux ubuntu11:51
Jay-Oh-Encntb: i guess you could say that besides i cant game anymore11:51
LynoureIrkalla: normally it's the manufacturers that make the drivers for Windows, not the Microsoft. You can complain to your hw manufacturer if they have not made driver (or released specs) for Linux11:51
Irkallamore like, that's what I get for getting a broadcom lmao11:51
IrkallaBroadcom is probably a sweatshop in india, why would they care.11:52
cntblinux can still be intimidating for non-professionals11:52
emilsedghJadi: :P11:52
nareshovMy laptop has broadcom ethernet and intel wireless11:52
IrkallaNo offense to any Indian sweatshop workers >.>11:52
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cntbagming is another weak point11:52
Jay-Oh-EnIrkalla: exactly thats why you need to looks for things that have alot of support...but for everything tho linux and windows11:53
IrkallaMine has Nvidia ethernet and Broadcom wireless.11:53
cntbyet some games exist in linux too11:53
Jay-Oh-Encntb: name some they might be the ones i play or i could start playing11:53
cntbi s NVIDIA in ETHERNET business already ?11:54
Irkallayeah :P11:54
Irkallaand motherboard cntb.11:54
Irkallamy mobo is NVIDIA11:54
flithmhey everyone, when using kopete4 I get "ssl support could not be initialized because the QCA TLS plugin is not installed on your system" -- is this a kubuntu packaging thing?11:54
cntbyeah mothrboard chipsets11:54
IrkallaWell11:55
IrkallaI know on my old HP11:55
Irkallais said Copyright Greenland11:55
Irkallaon the boot screen11:55
Jay-Oh-Entheyve made motherboards and vid cards for a while but not ethernet11:55
Irkallaand on this one it says Copyright NVIDIA :P11:55
Irkallalemme see what it says in device manager11:56
Jay-Oh-Eni need to restart11:56
Jay-Oh-Enbut i dont want to11:56
Jay-Oh-En:[11:56
IrkallaNVIDIA nForce Networking Controller11:56
schisteHi, I just got a probleme. My task bar disappeared and I can't get it anymore ... any tipe to get it back ?11:56
schistetip*11:56
IrkallaLOL11:57
Irkallathat sucks,.11:57
Irkallaschiste, the only help I can give you, is laughing at your misery.11:57
Lynoureschiste: just the taskbar, not all of the panel?11:57
IrkallaIm a KDE noob :P11:57
stdinschiste: alt-f2 "kicker"11:57
schistestdin did nothing11:58
schisteLynoure everything :)11:58
schisteRight now I just have my desktop11:59
stdinschiste: try using "dcop kicker kicker restart"11:59
schisteI had it back few secs11:59
Jay-Oh-Encan somebody help me with kopete not loading my buddy list11:59
sebbarare there any problems one should know of when installing kde 4.0?12:00
schistestdin should I kill kicker ?12:01
stdinyou can try12:01
firecrotchsebbar: I had no problems, but your mileage may vary...12:01
sebbarfirecrotch: ok tnx12:02
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firecrotchsebbar: It didn't load completely the first time I logged into a KDE4 session, but I attribute that to having Pidgin still running when I logged out12:02
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schistestdin same, it appears and the hide again12:02
schisteand impossible to get it back12:03
odinsbaneIs kde 4 comin out today?12:03
schistejust it was locked hide12:03
Tm_Todinsbane: it is out12:03
stdinschiste: you sure you didn't set it to autohide?12:03
schisteit is autohide :)12:03
schistebut it doesn't unhide12:03
* schiste sighs12:03
odinsbaneTm_T I installed it about 3 weeks ago, and it was version 3.98 yada yada but that version seems to be lacking12:04
schisteWhen I go to the border to get the taskbar12:04
schisteit doesn't shows up12:04
Tm_Todinsbane: it is now 4.0.012:04
stdinschiste: try going into kcontrol and unhiding it12:04
Tm_T(well, 4.0.80 already here)12:05
odinsbaneSo can I upgrade the one I have or should I uninstall it and install 4.0?12:05
Tm_Todinsbane: I believe kubuntu.org has all the information you need12:05
odinsbanek12:05
firecrotchodinsbane:  You can have both installed.  Link to instructions is in the channel topic12:05
odinsbanefirecroth, quite honestly I want to get rid or kde4 rc2.12:06
stdinodinsbane: no need, just upgrade to 4.0.012:06
schistestdin ok it works, it's just weird12:07
schisteThanks a lot stdin12:07
stdinschiste: it's a bug somewhere in the mountain of kde code, that sometimes, just sometimes, it'll refuse to unhide12:07
schisteOk, good to know :)12:07
stdinso generally avoid enabling it :p12:07
schisteWell... too late12:08
schiste:D12:08
firecrotchJust wondering... is there a way to make GTK apps look less hideous in KDE4?12:08
schisteI'm used to it :)12:08
stdinmaybe with qtcurve, but I'm not sure kde4 can configure GTK styles yet12:09
firecrotchstdin: thanks :)12:10
sigma_1234kde4-release-party12:10
odinsbaneThe instructions say that I need to remove previous version, but my 'update manager' says that some of the libs are 4.012:10
stdinodinsbane: did you have RC2 ?12:10
odinsbaneshould I remove files and install again?12:10
odinsbanestdin yes12:10
stdinodinsbane: then just go for the upgrade :)12:11
odinsbanek12:11
stdinRC2 should update to 4.0.0 fine12:11
stdindid here anyway :)12:11
firecrotchWhat the heck? Umm... I somehow just moved the entire desktop down and to the left, including all of the icons on my desktop.12:11
stdinyeah, the desktop is a widget, it's movable :p12:12
firecrotchstdin:  How do I move it back?!12:12
stdinalthough I don't know *how* you moved it exactly12:12
stdintry zooming out and click+drag12:12
firecrotchstdin:  I was dragging an icon, and it jsut started moving12:12
Jay-Oh-Encan somebody help me with kopete not loading my buddy list12:13
stdinit's 4.0.0, it'll have a few bugs :p12:13
Jay-Oh-EnAIM buddy list12:13
Tm_TJay-Oh-En: serverside list?12:13
Jay-Oh-EnTm_T: ?12:14
Jay-Oh-EnTm_T: what do you mean12:14
Tm_TJay-Oh-En: load the buddy list from server?12:14
Jay-Oh-EnTm_T: yes12:14
Jay-Oh-Enit did the first time i tried kopete12:14
Jay-Oh-Enthen i switched over to gaim12:14
firecrotchstdin:  Alright, I was able to get a hold of it again to move it12:14
flithmdoes anyone know what's with all the missing icons in kde4?12:15
Jay-Oh-Enand purged kopete now i installed kopete and now its doing this12:15
Beelzei have the missing icons too12:15
Tm_TJay-Oh-En: I wonder.... move your kopete configs away12:15
stdinfirecrotch: just about everything you see on the desktop, except applications, is a widget and so it's movable/resizeable etc12:15
firecrotchstdin: Yeah, but I don't think anyone intended for the desktop to be able to be moved like that :)12:16
Jay-Oh-EnTm_T: can you please give me a code :]12:17
stdinfirecrotch: no idea, you'l have to ask them :p12:17
tdgshello every one12:18
firecrotchstdin: that's next on my list, after I figure out how i'm actually ending up moving it12:18
tdgsI added the repositories from http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php12:20
Jay-Oh-EnTm_T: where are they located?12:20
tdgsto try kde412:20
tdgsand when I do sudo apt-get install kde4-core12:20
tdgsThe following packages have unmet dependencies:12:20
tdgs  kde4-core: Depends: kdebase-workspace (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be installed12:20
tdgsanyone has any idea?12:21
stdintdgs: did you do "sudo apt-get update" first?12:21
tdgsyes12:21
tdgsjust did it again12:21
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: where config files located for kopete12:22
stdintdgs: what version of kubuntu do you have?12:22
tdgswhen I do sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace12:22
tdgsThe following packages have unmet dependencies:12:22
tdgs  kdebase-workspace: Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed12:22
tdgs                     Depends: klipper-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed12:22
tdgs                     Depends: ksysguard-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed12:22
tdgs                     Depends: kwin-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed12:22
tdgs                     Depends: systemsettings-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed12:22
tdgs                     12:22
tdgsgutsy12:22
stdin!paste > tdgs12:22
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: /home/jon/.kde/share/apps12:22
Jay-Oh-Enis thats where its located12:22
stdinJay-Oh-En: in ~/.kde/share/config/kopeterx and ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete12:23
Jay-Oh-Enthanks12:23
tdgshttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51545/12:24
tdgssorry about the flooding12:24
rudd-ohi guise12:24
rudd-oanyone running kde4 with a case of no app keyboard shortcuts functional?12:24
tdgsany idead?12:24
tdgsideas?12:24
rudd-obtw12:25
stdintdgs: you have -backports enabled, the backported packages are trickling through. you can either wait, or disable -backports temporally12:25
DarkWizzardhello12:28
DarkWizzardhow do I remove previous kde4 packages12:28
DarkWizzardwithout messing up my kde programs ?12:28
perrantrevanHello folks. Removing old kde4 packages removed kubuntu-desktop!12:28
DarkWizzardbecause I get this12:28
DarkWizzardyep12:28
DarkWizzardthats my problem too12:28
DarkWizzardbut I didn't remove them yet12:29
stdinDarkWizzard: not if you had RC212:29
perrantrevanSo i'm now using windows!12:29
DarkWizzardI had RC212:29
DarkWizzardbut it messes up things12:29
DarkWizzardwait12:29
tdgsthanks stdin!! You are great! Keep up the good work!12:29
stdinDarkWizzard: please use pastebin...12:29
Pici!enter12:29
ubotuPlease try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!12:29
stdintdgs: no way, I need to sleep :p12:29
tdgsstdin: well you deserve it!12:30
DarkWizzardstdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51547/12:30
spaetzI always get a password prompt after resuming from suspend or hibernate on kubuntu 7.10. Any way to disable that?12:30
Jay-Oh-Enspaetz: nope12:30
spaetzScreen saver settings have disabled the "password" setting already12:30
stdinDarkWizzard: don't remove it you don't have to, and if you want to do that use aptitude not apt-get12:31
spaetzJay-Oh-En: ohh, that's a pity12:31
DarkWizzardok so12:31
Jay-Oh-Enspaetz: atleast i dont thinkso12:31
DarkWizzardI can procede to install kde4 ?12:31
spaetzok, thanks in any case12:31
stdinDarkWizzard: yeah, but you may want to disable gutsy-backports if you have it for now12:31
CharlieKanestdin: thanks muchly !!12:32
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CharlieKaneKDE4.0 is installed *SQUEEEEEE!!!!*12:32
DarkWizzardok12:32
Beelzei enable the desktop effekts...but kde reacts very slow now12:32
Beelzefglrx is running on a ati 960012:33
Beelzesome idea where the problem is?12:33
stdin*NOTICE: If you're trying to install KDE 4.0.0 but are getting errors like "Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed" then you need to temporarily disable the gutsy-backports repository or just wait until all the packages have made it into gutsy-backports*12:34
wesleydoes some have try the kde4 live cd already12:34
odinsbanestdin I had to reinstall all of the packages but it works great now.12:35
dhqhow do i increase the size of the partition ext312:35
odinsbaneI was wondering are you the same 'stdin' that maintains the kubuntu.org?12:35
stdinwesley: the link to download the CD is on the announcement page12:35
wesleyyes ik know i am downloading it at 150 kb12:35
perrantrevanSo I removed kubuntu-desktop trying to install kde4. Tried to reinstall from command line but APT cannot connect to servers gb servers. Anyone know how I can fix the connection?12:36
stdinodinsbane: I don't maintain kubuntu.org Riddell does, but I have been mentioned on there :)12:36
wesleystdin is there a adept on the live cd12:36
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: so your one of the top guys?12:36
stdinwesley: I think it uses kpackage12:37
stdinJay-Oh-En: depends on your definition of "top" :p12:37
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: lol i deleted the conf files and now kopete doesnt work12:38
stdinperrantrevan: try another server, but just install kdebase-bin-kde4 and install "kde4-core"12:38
stdinJay-Oh-En: golden rule "never delete what you may need again" ;) next time just move them12:39
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: i still have them12:39
Riddellwesley: no, only apt-get12:39
Jay-Oh-Enbut they are in trash12:39
rudd-okde4-workspace12:39
perrantrevanThanks. I'm not sure how to change servers using apt.12:39
stdinperrantrevan: you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list12:40
stdinkdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list  for instance12:40
olafskican I get those compositing effects working with the new livecd? they don't seem to work.. (c2d e6600, 8800gtx, 2gb ram)12:40
stdinhave you turned them on?12:40
olafskiyes12:40
olafskibut something went wrong there it seems12:40
perrantrevanstdin: thanks v much. can I reinstall kubuntu-desktop after installing kde4-core12:41
olafskiI got a black screen with a white square in the center for like 10 seconds12:41
stdinperrantrevan: yes12:41
olafskithen it reverted to old settings12:41
olafskiafter that I enabled them again and I didn't get the black screen, but no difference in appearance either12:41
stdinolafski: you'll probably need to set it to use XRender from Advanced12:41
olafskiI'll give that a try.. rebooting :P12:42
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: how do i get a working version of kopete12:44
stdinwhat one, kde3 or kde4?12:44
Jay-Oh-Enkde312:44
Jay-Oh-Enstdin:  your a monster youve been up so long go to sleep for god sake12:45
olafskistdin: definitely a change now.. everything is sluggish :s12:45
stdinI'll sleep at some odd time, probably 6pm or something :p12:45
Jay-Oh-Enlol12:46
DarkWizzardstdin:12:46
DarkWizzardlast problem12:46
DarkWizzardplease help12:46
DarkWizzardI installed kde412:46
DarkWizzardand enabled desktop effects12:46
Jay-Oh-En!enter12:46
ubotuPlease try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!12:46
stdinJay-Oh-En: try the kde4 version, I've never use aol IM so I have no idea12:46
Beelzeare there any tipps for my xorg.conf with fglrx an the kde4 composite (it´s very slow on my maschine)12:46
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: will it work on kde3?12:46
DarkWizzardthe screen went black, and I can't see anything, I restarted the session, but still12:46
DarkWizzardit's all black12:46
stdinJay-Oh-En: yeah :)12:46
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: i just want a .deb file so i can install kopete12:47
dbgltvery odd12:47
stdinJay-Oh-En: you need kdelibs5 and kdepimlibs5 too12:47
dbgltkwin seems to be taking up ~50% of my cpu time after updating to kde412:47
DarkWizzardI just want to know how to turn them off12:47
dbgltany ideas what could be wrong?12:47
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: im lost on how to do this12:47
dbgltI just upgraded according to the directions on the website on kubuntu.org12:48
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: i think you should maybe help those people first since your highly on demand12:48
schisteIs there a webpage with the hardware requirement for KDE4 ?12:48
stdinDarkWizzard: backup/move ~/kde4/share/config/kwinrc and choose "XRender" from Advanced this time12:48
DarkWizzardok thanks12:48
stdinschiste: nope, not really12:48
dbgltstdin: sorry to interrupt, but you seem pretty knowledgeable - I've just updated to kde4, and according to top (and my loud buzzing fan!) kwin is taking around 50% or more of cpu time12:49
dbgltI tried turning translucency and shadows off, but that made no difference12:49
schisteHmmm stdin just wondering if my graph card would stand KDE412:49
stdinJay-Oh-En: install kdelibs5 and kdepimlibs5 from apt, then grab the PPA repository and install kopete-kde412:49
Jay-Oh-Enomg leave std alone12:49
Jay-Oh-Eni bet stdin's chat list is all red12:50
stdinyellow actually12:50
Jay-Oh-Enyellow12:50
Jay-Oh-Enrawr12:50
Jay-Oh-Enmooo12:50
stdindbglt: try disabling the effects? there's still a lot of optimisation to be done with it, so they aren't perfect12:50
stdinschiste: what one do you have?12:50
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: what about ppa? where can i get that12:51
stdinJay-Oh-En: /topic12:51
schisteiirc a nvidia 128mo12:52
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: what link do i click12:52
stdinschiste: should be fine, works nicely on my intel chip, and I believe nvidia even updated their driver recently to work better with kde4 (yes, we can even get nvidia's attention)12:53
stdinJay-Oh-En: the kde4 link12:53
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: omg im dumb obviously12:53
schistestdin ok great, I'll see if I dare upgrade to kde4 today ^^12:53
JucatoYou don't "upgrade to kde4" :)12:54
magicaltrevskyanyone know where the wireless networking options are on the kde4 live cd?12:55
stdin>> wooh, Jucato's here! Please direct *ALL* KDE4 questions to him from now on <<12:55
stdin:p12:55
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: so i have to install kde4 to use kde4 kopete12:55
schisteJucato hmm?12:55
schisteHow do you want me to say it12:55
stdinJay-Oh-En: no, just install "kopete-kde4" and see what it wants12:55
schisteI install KDE 4 ? :)12:55
Jucatoschiste: you install kde4 along side kde3...12:55
Jucatoyes12:55
schiste^^12:55
Jucatocoz you can't migrate from kde3 to kde4 yet :)12:55
aleksanteriwhat repositories are known to have kde4?12:56
schisteJucato oh?12:56
dbgltalright, where can I update more programs? I got the base now and kopete, what else can I get?12:56
stdinaleksanteri: the one in the topic12:56
Jucatoaleksanteri: see the topic12:56
aleksanteriah darn, thanks12:56
stdindbglt: open adept and search for "kde4" or do "apt-cache search kde4" and see :)12:56
schisteJucato that means if we install KDE4, I'll have both KDE4 and KDE3 ?12:58
schisteIs there any place I can find information about it ?12:58
Jucatoyes. and you'll want that12:58
schisteWill I ? :D12:58
Jucatoabout which one?12:58
magicaltrevskywhy does kde4 appear to have no network manager at all? D:12:58
schisteAbout the whole thing :)12:58
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: should i try kde4?12:58
Jucatomagicaltrevsky: knm hasn't been ported yet12:58
stdinmagicaltrevsky: because it dones't yet12:58
magicaltrevskyJucato, ah, ok, thanks12:59
stdinJay-Oh-En: you really should :p12:59
schisteJucato seems newbish but I like to know what I'm doing and why :)12:59
Jucatoschiste: http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/12:59
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: i guess ill give it a try will you help me if i need it?12:59
Jucatoschiste: the reason why you'll want to keep kde3 is because kde 4.0 is not yet complete12:59
stdinJay-Oh-En: either me or Jucato :)12:59
Jucatomost likely stdin :)13:00
stdinnah, Jucato == da-man :)13:00
titanix88hey13:00
titanix88hey13:00
JucatoI know 0 about the problems with the kde4 packges... those are stdin's pets :)13:00
dbglterrm13:00
stdinif anything goes wrong: "aptitude remove $(dpkg -l |egrep '(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}') kdebase-bin-kde3+" is the cure13:00
intelikeywell with the help of cw i got this thing seemlessly bridging two lan's now.    and it has improved performance of the overal network13:00
dbgltkde su is on drugs13:00
dbgltit keeps telling me my password is incorrect13:01
dbgltbut it's not...13:01
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: great :) after i did everything in instructions on that page do i sudo apt-get update && upgrade13:01
dbgltI can sudo from a terminal with the exact same password13:01
dbgltand I've been using that password for months13:01
stdindbglt: kdesu asks for the root pass, just use "kdesudo <application>" from krunner13:01
Jucatodbglt: kde4? yes known bug13:01
dbgltJucato: ah13:01
Jucatosee stdin's instructions13:01
stdinJay-Oh-En: after doing the instructions on that site, you will have kde4 installed13:01
Jay-Oh-Enok13:02
intelikeyJucato so if it works right it's a known bug ???   heh.13:02
Jay-Oh-Enwell i tried just adding deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main to my repos and installing kde4-core but it wasnt happening so dont i have to update && upgrade13:02
* intelikey makes a note of that...13:03
Jucatointelikey: hm?13:03
intelikeykdesu "should" ask for the root password   anywhere except in ubuntu13:03
stdinJay-Oh-En: just "sudo apt-get update" then do "sudo apt-get install kdebase" then "sudo apt-get install kde4-core", then you can install kopete-kde413:04
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Jucatointelikey: the bug is that kdesu4 isn't set to be able to use sudo as an alternate to su, unlike in kdesu for kde313:04
intelikeyJucato it's like saying   oh  su is asking for the root password, that's a known bug...   just use sudo.13:04
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: finally some guidance13:04
intelikeyJucato i know what you are saying.   and i even understand the *buntu way of thinking on that.  just sounded odd that "normal" behabiour was a known bug    that's all.13:05
Jucatointelikey: kdesu in kde3 can use either su or sudo. kdesu in kde4 seems unable to use sudo. that's a bug13:06
gmontenegroanyone uses KVpnc?13:06
intelikeyassuming it is supposed to be able to use either.13:06
Jucatoit is13:06
* Jucato leaves it at that13:07
schisteok installing kde4-core... if it doesn't work I'll sue you!13:08
schisteOr not ;)13:08
stdinyou can't sue us, we have no money! muhahaha!13:09
intelikeysue me. i'm used to it.13:09
wesleyyou can sue microsoft13:09
diosolHello. First time here..13:09
intelikeyyeah do that.13:09
MurielGodoiWhich are de differences between kde4 packages that are already in my apt-get and in the repository pointed in the kde4 topic link?13:09
diosolAnd.... I have a problem :)13:09
intelikey!welcome | diosol13:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about welcome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi13:09
stdin!hi13:09
ubotuHi! Welcome to #kubuntu!13:09
SSJ_GZdiosol: Ask away :)13:09
wesleybut then again xbox360 is a great piece of hardware13:10
Pici!welcome is <alias> hi13:10
ubotuI'll remember that, Pici13:10
intelikeystdin did seveas remove the !welcome message ?    well that's kinda a silly Q.   disreguard it.13:10
billyboboboOn the kubuntu site's instructions for KDE4, it mentions "To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1 then  and run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the Xerphyr xterm."... huh??  is this something to do, or not?  I don't follow.  Why can't I pick KDE4 when I am at the login menu?13:11
stdinintelikey: I don't remember it being set, or it may have been lost in one of the bot crashes13:11
stdinbillybobobo: you should be able to pick "KDE 4" from the login menu, that's just another option13:11
billybobobowhat does it do differently?13:12
intelikeygood point.   and it was set at one time.13:12
stdinlets you run a mini X server inside your current session, so you can have both on one screen13:12
diosolIt seems that my laptop's cd-tray (or whatever is that slot called) is broken so I cant use cd for installing anything. So can Hardy installed from usb-stick or something like?13:12
intelikeyhad a link to the faq in it too  iirc13:12
stdin!install | diosol13:12
ubotudiosol: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate13:12
diosolohmygosh13:13
billybobobostdin: very cool, thank you for the clarification13:13
* stdin pets ubotu13:13
diosolSo you have automated answer for these simple questions :D13:13
intelikeyyep.13:13
stdin!bot13:13
diosolnever have done it else but cd and upgrade13:13
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots13:13
schistestdin tsss tsss KDE foundation has plenty of money !13:13
kristinahi, is there a way to get more plasmoids? like the one with the picture frame?13:13
schiste:)13:13
fernandohi, I am using kubuntu 7.10 and I have I kayboard with media keys (back,forward,mute and so on). The same keyboard work just fine at home, but here at work even the mute doesn't work..(I am also using compiz-fusion)13:14
fernandohow can I set my keyboard right?13:14
stdinschiste: not "plenty", just enough to pay some core-devs to make a blinding desktop13:14
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: i did what you said do i have to restart?13:14
dbgltis it just me, or are the menus on the default scheme exceedingly gnome like, and exceeding ugly?13:15
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: or just ctrl alt backspace13:15
dbgltapplication menus13:15
stdinJay-Oh-En: no, just log out and choose "KDE 4" from the login menu13:15
stdin!shortcut | freqmod_nx, try this13:15
ubotufreqmod_nx, try this: keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts13:15
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stdindbglt: try changing the theme :)13:16
dbgltmaybe it's the oxygen icons? I just feel as if I've reverted to an old version of gnome13:16
schistestdin I know, I was just kidding ;)13:17
stdinright, it's officially "lunch time" here. so if you ask me something and I don't reply, you know why :)13:18
sp3cQuick question regarding the annoucement at: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php13:23
nonameHello, where can I see the version of my restricted driver?13:24
dbgltis there a way to change the icon set of kde4?13:24
nonamevideo driver I mean13:24
sp3cI did the performed the outline instructions.. and get a "E: Couldn't find package kde4-core"13:24
sp3cif I do an apt-seaech cache kde4... is see a few kde4 packages..  just no kde4-core13:24
intelikeysp3c that's a repos issue.13:25
intelikey!repos13:25
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu13:25
intelikeyso the next release will be a red hairing eeh13:26
sp3cI figured that per the instructions, "Add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main to your /etc/apt/sources.list" , would of solved that13:26
intelikeyhave to update the database after the change13:27
etfbI figure this has been asked a bit lately, but...  I use my laptop for serious work, mainly Emacs, Firefox and OOo.  Can I upgrade to KDE4 now, or should I wait a while?13:27
intelikeyetfb if stability is essential then newest version is not often the wisest of moves13:28
sigma_1234can i install kde4 to my pc using the live cd on the kubuntu site?13:28
etfbintelikey: That's a good general rule of thumb, but what can you tell me about the stability of KDE4?13:29
intelikeynothing at all13:29
intelikeynever seen it.13:29
etfbintelikey: Ah.  Ah well.13:29
intelikey!worksforme13:30
ubotuCommon Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/13:30
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: few! glad i got outa that one13:30
abdel071hello13:30
sigma_1234i tested alpha1 and it was already a stable base back then. and things have only gotten better i assume13:30
Jay-Oh-Enstdin: it went to a black screen with a little white line that blinked so i uninstalled everthing and now it works13:30
abdel071hello13:31
dbgltis there a way to disable sounds / notifications in kde4?13:32
sp3cbe back13:32
intelikeyabdel07113:32
sigma_1234however some of the programs had issues which is only normal in a initial release13:32
Jay-Oh-Enhow do i remove all the kde4 packages?13:32
Jay-Oh-Enand programs?13:32
sigma_1234jay that probably means it hung on the terminal13:32
wuchengkde4 has released today ,and i try to install but meet a problem, i can not install kdm-kde4 ,the error message is "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 113:33
wuchengErrors were encountered while processing:13:33
wucheng kdm-kde413:33
wucheng"13:33
Jay-Oh-Ensigma_1234: whats that mean13:33
Jay-Oh-Enwucheng: its kde4-core13:33
Riddellwucheng: kdm-kde4 package has problem, just stick to kdm from kde 3 for now13:33
sigma_1234jay it means that a error stopped the gui from starting13:34
wuchengJay-Oh-En, you mean i should "apt-get install kde4-core", right?13:34
etfbHmmmm.  Think I'll give KDE4 a miss until they iron out the bugs.  Maybe wait for Hardy Heron.  I've only just finished setting Gutsy up to work the way my Feisty installation used to work...13:34
Jay-Oh-Enwucheng: nvm listen to riddle13:35
JarekMkhi13:35
schisteOk pretty nice13:35
Jay-Oh-Enwucheng: but yeah thats what i meant13:35
JarekMkdid enybody have kde4?13:35
schisteI have to get used to the new Kmenu ^^13:35
sigma_1234eftb: why dont u just give the livecd a try?13:35
intelikeyetfb i know it may sound like a "stupid question" but if you want it to work like the older version, why upgrade in the first place ?     and when the next LTS comes out you might consider riding it for a full year...   just a thought.13:36
firecrotchschiste:  There's a widget that you can add to the panel that is the old style kmenu13:37
sigma_1234Riddell: is the kde4 livecd also a installer cd?13:37
Pensa`MIAwhat packages to install beside kde4-core to get kde4 native applications?13:38
Riddellsigma_1234: yes13:38
kristinahow do I disable system sounds in kde4?13:39
kristinaPensa`MIA: application-kde413:39
intelikeykristina kcontrol > sound ?    not that i know for sure.13:40
dbgltis there anyway to disable sound within kde?13:40
Jay-Oh-Endo download managers make downlaods go faster?13:40
dbgltannoying the buggery out of me13:40
Pensa`MIAand kde4 card games and stuff?13:41
dbglt(using kde4)13:41
kristinaPensa`MIA: kpat-kde413:41
sigma_1234apparently they do jay13:41
kristinaor the whole kde4games13:41
kristinaor something like that13:42
schisteHmm Konversation writings are really really tiny... have to change it :)13:42
Pensa`MIAthx13:42
Jay-Oh-Ensigma_1234: what one do you recomend13:42
sigma_1234depends on your setup though13:42
articpenguin3800hows KDE413:42
firecrotcharticpenguin3800:  I love it :)13:42
sigma_1234the only one i saw was kget13:42
Jay-Oh-Ensigma_1234: ill try it13:42
kristinadoes anybody else find it hard to get used to all the resizing going on while playing kpat?13:42
sigma_1234!kget13:42
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kget - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi13:42
articpenguin3800i am going to install when i free up some space =)    a lot of unused linux games on my harddisk13:42
intelikey!info kget13:43
ubotukget: download manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 442 kB, installed size 1196 kB13:43
sigma_1234its in da repo's13:43
kristinaintelikey: hmm can't really find it13:43
Jay-Oh-Ensigma_1234: how would i get rid of all the kde4 apps13:43
intelikeykristina i don't have kde4   maybe someone else can point it out.    stdin when he's finished eating.13:44
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Jay-Oh-Ensigma_1234: ?13:45
kristinaintelikey: ok tnx13:46
stickhya ...i have one question ...13:46
stickkubuntu dosen't support multiple sound instances ?13:46
sonoftheclayrAnybody have any initial thoughts on KDE 4?13:46
intelikeystick yeah it do.   if you set him upright13:47
Lynouresonoftheclayr: all over blogosphere...13:47
stickbecaus when i play music(mp3) with Amarok ...the other programs dosn't start13:47
sonoftheclayrLynoure: Yeah I'm writing my post now13:47
stickso can you help me set it up right then ?13:48
momalAnyone had probs with kde4 making like 2 desktops and the bottom panel is in a window bit?13:50
stickthe weard thing is ..that i,m plaing music from Amarok ..and i hear the sound's from Kopete for example ...but if i whant to run a program like Creox it wont start ...or if it starts give me an error like "Error : "13:51
_Angelus_man13:52
_Angelus_is there a way to make a pure KDE4 in kubuntu?13:52
_Angelus_there is all this double shortcuts in my kde menu, plus i dont need kde3 anymore...13:52
_Angelus_and i cant find a meta package to install every kde4 prog....13:53
stickseams today all the people are sleeping ...or they are to tired to answer to noobs like us13:53
_Angelus_why didnt the kubuntu team just upgrade kde3 to kde4 instead of installing both? :(13:53
firecrotch_Angelus_:  there's a package called kde4 that is all the kde4 apps13:53
articpenguin3800i added http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main and now i have 44 updates should i upgrade them?13:53
stick!multimple instances13:54
_Angelus_firecrotch: of course i installed that , but it didnt install al kde4...13:54
articpenguin3800!mutiple instances13:54
momal!multiple instances13:54
sticki'm looking for a problem of mine13:54
momalhttp://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4787/2desktopskde4wthtc6.jpg <-- please help seems strange prob :( like 2 desktops13:55
stickwith the sound13:55
stick!sound13:55
ubotuIf you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP313:55
thewhitepelicanhere problem, here problem13:55
thewhitepelicanjust kidding13:55
Jay-Oh-Enthewhitepelican: ?13:55
sonoftheclayrOkay that's not cool. I just tried to change the colour scheme in KDE 4 and all I got was a black scree...and a cursor13:55
momalat least you dont' have 2 desktops running :'(13:56
sek_hi. i've a problem with the device cd/dvd.. someone can help me please?13:56
thewhitepelicanyes, Jay-Oh-En ?13:57
LjLjpatrick, any news about backports and 4?13:57
jpatrickLjL: /topic13:57
thewhitepelicanwhat is your problem, sek_ ?13:57
jpatrickLjL: I'm using backports version right now...13:57
LjLjpatrick: that's still PPA though...13:58
LjLuhm, my mirror still has 3.9613:58
sek_thank's. i have done a restore some day ago. now the device is only in read status and i can' t write13:58
Jay-Oh-Enthewhitepelican: what was the here problem here problem thing about?13:58
jpatrickLjL: yes, one can't delete stuff from PPA13:58
thewhitepelicanit was a joke13:58
thewhitepelicanthe person was looking for a problem13:58
Jay-Oh-Ensek_: is it a dvd drive?13:58
sek_yes13:58
Jay-Oh-Enthewhitepelican: lol13:58
LjLjpatrick: no, i meant to say, it's still *only* in PPA... the kubuntu.org announcement gives PPA, not backports, and my backports mirror still doesn't have 4.013:59
Jay-Oh-Ensek_: then it should be just read13:59
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Jay-Oh-Ensek_: that how all mine are13:59
Jay-Oh-En!galeon13:59
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about galeon - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi13:59
Jay-Oh-En!info galeon13:59
ubotugaleon: GNOME web browser for advanced users. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.2-4ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 701 kB, installed size 1608 kB13:59
jpatrickLjL: well I have the es.* mirror and it has i14:00
jpatrickit*14:00
LjLjpatrick: i'll try those14:00
LjLi'm on se.*14:00
sek_but i can't write dvd, and the device is disabled14:00
Jay-Oh-Ensek_: im not sure then14:01
PJChttp://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/install.html <<<<<< dead link?14:02
LjLjpatrick: wait, kdebase-bin-kde4 is still 3.96 even in es.* backports... did that package change name? (it's 4.0 in PPA)14:02
thewhitepelicansek_, can you burn anything? and what are you using for software?14:02
Jay-Oh-Ensek_: but try going to kmenu and go to system settings14:02
martijn81Hi, i want to install the kde4 version of ktorrent. If i install it inside kde4, so i have to remove the kde3 version of  ktorrent first?14:02
nosrednaekimLjL: I think you are supposed to use the PPA14:02
Jay-Oh-Ensek_: then go to advanced tab the go to disc &file systems14:03
LjLnosrednaekim: so says the announcement14:03
nosrednaekimmartijn81: no, they can coexist14:03
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martijn81cool14:03
sek_i use k3b. i can't burn cd and dvd14:03
martijn81thanks nosrednaekim14:03
sek_yes, i am in system settings14:03
nosrednaekimmartijn81: all kde4 apps can coexist with kde3 ones, The whole desktop can co-exist14:03
LjLnosrednaekim: but i'm not eager to use PPA if backports will have it or has it, because PPA packages have names ending in ~gutsy1~ppa1, and i fear that they would override any backports packages14:03
DreadKnighthow can i make the default kde4 bar to reapear?14:03
sek_disk and filesystem14:03
martijn81but how does make know that it should install somewhere else?14:03
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nosrednaekimLjL: I THINK that anything from backports actually overrieds PPA... there was something about that a couple weeks ago.14:04
LjLnosrednaekim, it all depends on the package versions they give to stuff.14:04
nosrednaekimmartijn81: all kde4 stuff goes to /usr/lib/kde4/bin whereas all kde3 stuff goes to /usr/bin automatically14:04
jpatrickLjL: I think that's the problem I'm having..14:04
LjLif they call them 4.0ubuntu2, that would do it14:04
stickso enyone can help me with this eror pls ?14:04
stickAudio output unavailable; the device is busy.14:05
stickxine parameters:14:05
momalAnyone know about 2 desktops showing up in kde4 >_<14:05
Jucato[20:34] <stdin> *NOTICE: If you're trying to install KDE 4.0.0 but are getting errors like "Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed" then you need to temporarily disable the gutsy-backports repository or just wait until all the packages have made it into gutsy-backports*14:05
Jay-Oh-Ensek_: now try looking in there14:05
martijn81nosrednaekim: thanks, but how does the OS know which ktorrent i want to start then?14:05
Jucato(just in case someone needed that)14:05
stickAudio output unavailable; the device is busy.14:05
kristjan_what's up with kde 4 sharing $HOME/.kde with kde 3.5 -- doesn't it mess up things?14:05
nosrednaekimkristjan_: it doesn't.. it uses .kde414:06
stickdamn sound14:06
LjLJucato: which somewhat implies that they *will* be in backports... in fact, kdebase-workspace-bin *is* version 4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1, but kdebase-bin-kde4 isn't (still 3.96)14:06
stickgrrr i just hate it14:06
LjLand that would also confirm my fears:14:06
sek_yes, i have 3 partition. first one dev/sda1, second one dev/sda514:06
nosrednaekimDreadKnight: erase your .kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc14:06
LjL     4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1 0        500 http://es.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-backports/universe Packages14:06
LjL     4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1 0        500 http://ppa.launchpad.net gutsy/main Packages14:06
LjLthis would make ppa override backports14:07
kristjan_nosrednaekim: are you sure? last time I tried it (rc2) it used $HOME/.kde14:07
sek_then the third one isn't /dev/cdrom0 but proc14:07
martijn81nosrednaekim: ?14:07
nosrednaekimkristjan_: really? you muct have changed $KDEHOME somewhere in the startupscript then14:07
stick!xine14:07
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about xine - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi14:07
nosrednaekimmartijn81: there will be two options in your menu's (I believe)14:08
DarkWizzardHello.I have direct rendering under kde3 but when I swich to kde4 I get direct rendering:no. Why ?14:08
DreadKnightnosrednaekim: thanks i've heard it's the solution, what if i delete the entire ./kde4 folder ? because i had the alpha.. and i got tiny fonts for kde3 apps14:08
martijn81ok, thanks'i will try it out :)14:08
nosrednaekimDreadKnight: as long as you don't have any emails or such stored there, thats fine14:08
DreadKnightnosrednaekim: thanks :)14:08
_Angelus_will the live cd of kde4 allow you to do an installation?14:08
kristjan_nosrednaekim: could you check you /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde file -- does it have "export KDEHOME=~/.kde4" ?14:08
jpatrickkristjan_: we have patch kdelibs for that14:09
jpatrickpatched*14:09
_Angelus_im tired of this goddamn confusing installation having both kde3 and kde4 i dunno why the hell didnt kubuntu just upgrade there kde to kde414:09
kristjan_jpatrick: so export is not needed anymore?14:09
nosrednaekimkristjan_: well first of all, i'm still on rc2, second, I maually edited startkde so i'm not sure what the defaults were14:09
jpatrickkristjan_: no14:09
jpatrick_Angelus_: what's so confusing?14:09
tuxick_Angelus_: careful with swearing, i noticed most channels on freenode are allergic to that14:09
tuxickwonder why14:09
_Angelus_i didnt swear14:10
tuxick;p14:10
_Angelus_is "hell" swearing?14:10
ndeeI'm SO wondering how kde4 will be :D14:10
_Angelus_:o14:10
Jucatothis channel is too :)14:10
Jucatondee: kde4 or kde 4.0?14:10
kristjan_jpatrick: since the final release or earlier? then I installed rc2 the export line was also missing in /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde14:10
jpatrick_Angelus_: just added the PPA repo and install kdebase-workspace-dev14:10
_Angelus_i want  only kde4 on my pc14:10
_Angelus_not both14:10
kristjan_jpatrick: do the kde 4 apps work in kde 3 now?14:10
jpatrickkristjan_: yes14:11
Jay-Oh-En_Angelus_: then install hardy14:11
kristjan__Angelus_: you have to wait a little longer, hardy doesn't have kde 4 cd yet14:11
Jay-Oh-Enkristjan_: oops lol14:11
jpatrick_Angelus_: so apt-get remove kdelibs414:11
_Angelus_removing things from kubuntu will delete half of your system , if they came pre-installed14:12
sek_jay-oh-en, yet here?14:12
jpatrick_Angelus_: why? it's ubuntu-base + kde14:12
Jay-Oh-Ensek_: yes?14:13
sek_sorry for my english..14:13
Jay-Oh-Ensek_: its good i can understand14:13
_Angelus_jpatrick:  try to remove something that came pre-installed with kubuntu :) and see what happens to your computer14:13
sek_ok14:13
Jay-Oh-Ensek_: both of mine are disables14:13
Jay-Oh-Endisabled14:13
* genii sips a coffee14:13
Jay-Oh-Engenii: you and your coffee14:14
geniiJay-Oh-En: Without it I'd be sleeping at work ;)14:14
sek_ok, but the third disk partition isn't /dev/cdrom0 but "proc"14:14
Jay-Oh-Engenii: oh dang we dont want that do we14:14
Jay-Oh-Engenii: where do you work14:14
sek_what does it mean?14:14
Jay-Oh-Ensek_: ill take a screenshot of mine and you tell me if yours looks the same14:15
* LjL will try out the live CD, don't like the ppa/backports mess :P14:15
jpatrickLjL: ppa ftw14:15
PingulitenWhat should I use instead of the "sudo gedit" part of the tutorials? "kdesu kate"?14:15
sek_ok14:15
LjLPinguliten: yeah14:15
nosrednaekimPinguliten: kdesudo14:15
LjLPinguliten: also, "sudo gedit" is wrong. one should use "gksudo gedit"14:15
jpatrick!kdesudo > Pinguliten14:16
LjLjpatrick: maybe, but i'd rather have backports, makes me more comfortable psychologically14:16
LjLPinguliten: which tutorials have you found "sudo gedit" in?14:16
PingulitenEverywhere on the ubuntu forums while trying to get my stupid audio to work14:17
Jay-Oh-Ensek_: http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/pronege/mydekstop3.png14:17
LjLPinguliten: ah well, ubuntuforums is not a wiki that can be changed... but please remember to tell others to use gksudo/kdesudo for graphical applications, *always*14:18
geniiJay-Oh-En: I work several places actually. But right now at the one which is to be a building superintendant slash elevator operator14:18
nosrednaekimPinguliten: heh, getting the computer to boot is only the first problem, eh :)14:18
Pingulitentell me about it.14:18
PingulitenDidn't boot at all at first until I use noapic and nolapic14:19
PoeticJaffaCakeany idea why I am getting borken depandancy messages such as: Depends: dolphin-kde4 (>= 4:3.96.0-1ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed14:19
Jay-Oh-Engenii: thats what im gonig to be doing (elevator operator) are you in a union14:19
PoeticJaffaCakewhen i try to install14:19
nosrednaekimPinguliten: I know :)14:19
PingulitenAh yeah, thanks again. ^^14:19
nosrednaekim know about 2 desktops showing up in kde4 >_<14:19
nosrednaekim[09:05] <Jucato> [20:34] <stdin> *NOTICE: If you're trying to install KDE 4.0.0 but are getting errors like "Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed" then you need to temporarily disable the gutsy-backports repository or just wait until all the packages have made it into gutsy-backports*14:19
PingulitenI did manage to get sound but after a reboot it was gone again.14:19
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PoeticJaffaCakethank you nosrednaekim14:20
Jucatonosrednaekim: you can leave out my nick :)14:20
PingulitenAlso getting errors after using adept installer. ^^14:20
nosrednaekimJucato: aww but you are so omnipresent :)14:21
PoeticJaffaCakethe gutsy backports are commented out in my sources.lst14:21
Jucatonosrednaekim: so is stdin :D14:21
geniiJay-Oh-En: I'm in the Elevator Operator's Association of Toronto, but no union14:21
martijn81nosrednaekim: now it asks me for a file, do you have any ideas on this? (see latest post here: http://ktorrent.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12090#12090 )14:21
PingulitenGood thing one can do stuff manualy with apt-get14:21
Jay-Oh-Engenii: oh ill be joining a union14:21
nosrednaekimPinguliten: whats the error?14:22
* genii keeps waiting for the OT warn14:22
PingulitenAlso, when uninstalling stuff should I use remove or purge?14:22
Jay-Oh-Engenii: same with me14:22
PingulitenComplained about not making logs or something....14:22
Jay-Oh-En!offtopic14:22
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!14:22
PingulitenWait let me just install some random thing14:22
Jay-Oh-Ensek_: did you get it working14:22
nosrednaekimmartijn81: woah! what are you installing from svn for? there are packages out there :)14:23
PoeticJaffaCakeso guys. any idea why I'm getting the dependancy issues when the gutsy back ports are commetned out in my sources.list?14:23
nosrednaekimPoeticJaffaCake: did you run "apt-get update"?14:23
PoeticJaffaCakeno :o14:23
minteriorhi14:23
sek_jay-oh-en, i don't know how.. but after, my second partition (that you called /dev/hsc2) was call "proc". now i reloaded disk&filesystem and it works correctly... so, sorry for the disturb and thank's for theh support14:24
nosrednaekimPoeticJaffaCake: changes don't take effect until you do that14:24
PoeticJaffaCakeok, thank you14:24
thewhitepelicandoes kububtu have the "official" full version of kde4?14:24
martijn81nosrednaekim: no i install from the lastest beta, i just use svn as a folder for latest packages, lol14:24
Jay-Oh-Ensek_: no prob14:24
Jay-Oh-Ensek_: didnt disturb14:24
nosrednaekimmartijn81: you are compiling though..14:24
sek_bye and have a nice day14:24
Jay-Oh-Enyou too sek_14:24
martijn81nosrednaekim: i know, kde4 does not come with the latest beta14:25
crolandthewhitepelican: I think so: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php14:25
nosrednaekimmartijn81: ah, well, then go over to the ktorrent channel or mybe kde4-devel, we're not really experts on Cmake here ;)14:25
minteriorI'm trying to run KDE4 with Xephyr, and when I write "Xephyr :1 & export DISPLAY=:1; xterm" in Konsole it opens a new Window with a lot of mini-squares (it seems noise) but not a xterm console14:26
nosrednaekimthewhitepelican: yep.. it does14:26
martijn81hmm, there is no ktorrent channel unfortunately,  but iĺl try kde4-devel114:26
martijn81!14:26
martijn81oops14:26
martijn81ghehe14:26
minteriorhow can I write startkde? What I'm doing wrong?14:26
Pingulitennosrednaekim: Swedish here but a loose translation: "Could not archive changes - Adept-installation"14:27
nosrednaekimminterior: hmm haven't tried that method yet sorry\14:27
geniihmm , could not save changes14:27
PingulitenKnotify reared it's ugly head as well.14:27
PoeticJaffaCakethank you nosrednaekim, am now in KDE414:28
nosrednaekimPinguliten: ya know, there is a swedish channel.  but as long as you speak english you are quite qelcome here (just letting you know)14:28
nosrednaekimPoeticJaffaCake: sweet :)14:28
nosrednaekimPinguliten: are you running as root14:28
nosrednaekimPinguliten: try "kdesudo adept_manager"14:28
PingulitenUsualy when I start the program it wants my password.14:29
PingulitenI'll give it a try14:29
nosrednaekimPinguliten: oh, then that might not be the problem14:29
minteriornosrednaekim: oops :( but it is in the oficial announcement... someone else has tried it?14:29
PingulitenI'll just start from scratch again in a few minutes either way so no real problem if I break something beyond repair.14:29
nosrednaekimi'm sure someone has....14:30
Jay-Oh-Eni recemend everybody get kget14:30
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Jay-Oh-Enmy downlaod went so fast14:30
DreadKnightkatapult hasn't been packed for kde4?14:30
nosrednaekimminterior: try something.... replace that ";" with  "&"14:30
DreadKnight:|14:30
cytHi there. I found that when I boot Kubuntu, updatedb will run automatically, how to I disable this?14:30
PingulitenBacktracing one of the crashes and suprise suprise.. some audio sounding thing is involved.14:30
Jay-Oh-Eni say 10 or 15 mins for a whole live cd14:30
nosrednaekimDreadKnight: Krunner kinda replaces katapult14:31
tueHello. I got some kde 4 related problems. i installed kde4-core and kdm-kde4. I also added /usr/lib/kde4/bin to my path in .bashrc. When i start the kde4 session through kdm4, there is just a blue background and a terminal window with no window decorations. then when i run kwin-kde4 and plasma, i get panel and window decorations, but if i close said terminal window the session terminates and there are repainting issues *all over* the place.14:31
nosrednaekimtue: are you sure you aren't starting "failsafe" mode?14:31
PingulitenA general question though, if you break it down what is the difference between gnome and kde? People start with one and then their ego gets in their way?14:32
tuein kdm4 in session type, i choosed kde4. but im not sure :-)14:32
nosrednaekimPinguliten: look at it this way, if you are the type who gets their latest computer and jst crams it under their desk and uses the already installed windows and never make a single modification.gnome is for you. otherwise, you'll probably be happier with kde14:33
DreadKnightnosrednaekim: uglier launch shortcut and no integration with amarok so far ... can't switch tracks 'on the fly', hope things will change soon14:33
minteriornosrednaekim: yeah!!!! I've done it!!!14:33
minteriornosrednaekim: final good result is:14:34
nosrednaekimDreadKnight: yeah, someone (maybe you!) will write some new backends.14:34
bob__OMG14:34
bob__KDe4 rockss14:34
PingulitenSeeing as I was using lightstep on windows for a long time I think I see your point.14:34
minteriornosrednaekim: final good result is:14:34
minteriorG14:34
minterior[14:34
nosrednaekimminterior: what was wrong?14:34
bob__its weard , because its not really  final release.14:34
bob__some bug, some lag ..14:34
bob__but the potentiel is huge14:35
martijn81nosrednaekim: i get directed to here again. Should be somthing with not fixed the paths in the kubuntu packages14:35
martijn81any idea?14:35
nosrednaekimminterior: what?14:35
PingulitenIs there a way to get quicker access to konsole then just starting it through the program menue?14:36
minteriornosrednaekim: final good result is: 1. Write in konsole "Xephyr :1 & xterm" (it opens 2 windows) 2. Write in the xterm window "export DISPLAY=:1" and then "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde" (it starts kde4 in the Xephyr window)14:37
martijn81anyone here knows more about the kubuntu packages for kde4?14:37
Jay-Oh-EnPinguliten: whats lightstep?14:37
nosrednaekimminterior: ah :)14:37
minteriorhurray! :)14:37
nosrednaekimmartijn81: you'll probably need to add /usr/lib/kde4/bin to your path14:38
nosrednaekimPinguliten: give it a shortcut14:38
martijn81k, how do i fix that?14:38
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minteriornosrednaekim: ups, I always use dvorak, but this window (and kde4 session) its configured for qwerty :(14:40
nosrednaekimminterior: chage it14:41
emlAnyone know when KDE4 is coming into ubuntu sources?14:41
emlOr is it there but not as an upgrade for kde3?14:41
nosrednaekimeml: its in the kubuntu-memebers PPA14:41
rebuggereml: there isn an upgrade14:41
minterioreml: in kubuntu already exist14:41
rebuggerjep14:41
emlnosrednaekim, Alright, the one which hosted RC2 previously right?14:41
PingulitenJay-Oh-En: An old and I think now dead alternative "explorer" for windows. Behaved more like early kde I think. Multiple dektops, loads of plugins, clickable buttons on desktop etc and usualy used way less resources than explorer. Downside was you had to configure alot of text files in order to get it as you wanted. Still it was quite nice.14:42
nosrednaekimeml: yes14:42
emlAh ok14:42
emlThanks14:42
crolandminterior: Do you use dvorak with vim?14:42
nosrednaekimPinguliten: wow... I didn't know you could replace the deafult windows DE14:42
PingulitenOnly needed one regustry change really.14:42
Jay-Oh-EnPinguliten: sounds kool but i rather just use kde :] and thanks for taking the time to write that14:43
nosrednaekimwonder if kde4 will be able to do that14:43
corentinHi everyone14:43
nosrednaekimhey14:43
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kingrayrayI used to run blackbox on windows14:43
Pingulitensame thing basicaly I suppose.14:44
kingrayraypretty much14:44
_Angelus_guys14:44
_Angelus_kubuntu-desktop package is no longer of use for those using kde4 now right?14:44
kingrayrayi updated to kde4 release a little bit ago, but things are acting slightly oddly14:44
nosrednaekim_Angelus_: it is if you want to keep your kde314:45
nosrednaekimBye eveyone! have fun with the awesomeness of kde414:45
nosrednaekim:)14:45
kingrayraybyebye14:45
_Angelus_and if i dont want kde 3 anymore? can i remove kubuntu-desktop ?14:46
jpatrick_Angelus_: yes14:47
jpatrick_Angelus_: see: apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop14:47
Jucato_Angelus_: you'll definitely want kde 3 for now :)14:47
_Angelus_why would i Jucato ? :o14:47
Jucato_Angelus_: because KDE 4.0 is far from complete. for example, no kdepim (Kontact and stuff)14:48
tuxickreally?14:48
tuxickbad idea to release it then14:48
* Jucato sighs14:48
JucatoKDE 4.0 is not KDE 3.614:48
Jucatothink of KDE 4.0 as a big jump away from KDE 3.5... not everything in KDE 3 is there yet14:49
martijn81i right clicked and did: remove taskmanager on the plasma panel in kde4, now half the "kicker" is gone, what todo?14:50
_Angelus_yeah14:52
_Angelus_its like a brand new kde14:52
_Angelus_xD14:52
kristjan__Angelus_: it has "potential"14:52
PingulitenLoads of bugs and quirks to find. :D14:52
_Angelus_i like it myself , looks pretty good14:52
jordshey, gtk+ apps (firefox in paticular) look awful when i use kde4...what do i need to start? I assume theres something that's autostarted in the kde3 session to give a decent gtk style14:53
kristjan__Angelus_: what's up with panel, can I make it smaller and translucent now?14:53
_Angelus_not yet kristjan_14:53
_Angelus_cant be resized for now14:53
_Angelus_well actually you can somehow by editing a file...14:54
_Angelus_but there is no proper way to do it14:54
kristjan__Angelus_: now ... that's disappointing :-/14:54
Jay-Oh-Enany programs with webcam support for linux besides kopete14:55
_Angelus_Jay-Oh-En:  amsn :)14:55
kristjan_all this hype will only harm the first impression14:55
egonwmoin, I just tried firing up a KDE4 session with the new debs, but ran into an error cannot find 'kde4init'... what package did I forget to install? I followed the instructions on kubuntu.org and installed kde4-core...14:55
DankerHi14:55
Jay-Oh-En_Angelus_: but amsn is pertty ugly14:56
DankerWould be there any problems if I would use the new hardy heron as my desktop OS and update it constantly until It is released? :)14:56
_Angelus_Jay-Oh-En: amsn is nice.. just download the cannabis skin for example and you'll see, besides its the best messenger ever :)14:57
Jay-Oh-En_Angelus_: where can i get that skin14:57
NielsEI have just installed kde4, but how come firefox is suddendly so ugly, how can I fix that?14:57
_Angelus_http://amsn-project.net Jay-Oh-En click the skins tab and choose :)14:57
jordsNielsE: having same problem, emergency faq anyone?14:58
_Angelus_NielsE:  i bet the program that makes GTK progs look QT still hasn't been ported to kde414:58
NielsE_Angelus_: that program will come through the updates sooner or later?14:58
_Angelus_i dunno14:58
NielsEor I just have to choose another gtk-theme somewhere?14:59
_Angelus_its not the theme... its the engine14:59
NielsEk, too bad15:00
jordsNielsE: no theres nothing to be ported... it's just that theres a program that runs to set your gtk theme15:00
_Angelus_the program that gives you the options of choosing between gtk and qt engines for GTK progs to not apear as standard, is not ported to kde4 , at least, thats my bet15:00
jordsNielsE: when you start kde3, and it's not starting automatically with kde4 because the autostart is nerfed. so we must find which program it is... gtk- something :D15:01
sebbarhi, so will hardy ship with just kde 4 or kde 3.5 and kde 4 as an option?15:02
jordssebbar: kde4 and 3.5, you can choose.15:03
WinstonSmithWhere is the KDE4 volume control?15:03
jordssebbar: not sure what default will be. depends how much they can polish the kde4 for release i soppose.15:03
sebbarjords: ok tnx15:04
jordsOk, akregator will not start in a kde4 session for me...  WARNING: Another instance of klauncher is already running! kdeinit: Communication error with launcher. Exiting!15:06
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emlJucato, Wanna tell me more about kdesudo? How do I make my programs use it?15:09
Jucatoeml: when you need to run a kde4 program that needs sudo, use "kdesudo app" to run it15:10
Jucato(instead of "kdesu app")15:10
emlAlright15:10
martin_hi, i'm having some trouble with gtk applications in kd4... they all seem to use the gray boxy theme and i can't see where to change it to something like clearlooks, is this possible?15:10
jpatrick!kdesudo | eml15:11
ubotueml: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)15:11
jordsOk, akregator will not start in a kde4 session for me...  WARNING: Another instance of klauncher is already running! kdeinit: Communication error with launcher. Exiting!15:18
NielsEhow do I turn on compisiting? I dont believe its enabled by default?15:18
jordsin system settings, appearance15:18
jordssomewhere in there :D15:18
Jucato_NielsE: System Settings -> Desktop -> Desktop Effects15:19
TuxOtakuhey guys, question....the PPA packages being offered on the kubuntu site for KDE4.....is this the official release version?15:19
Jucato_TuxOtaku: yes15:20
TuxOtakucool15:20
TuxOtakuone more question, is the official release version of KDE 4 compatible with compiz?15:20
TuxOtakubecause RC2 had some issues with it15:20
jpatrickTuxOtaku: yes!15:20
TuxOtakusweet15:21
Jucato_(but why would you want to use compiz.. kwin is sooo sweet :P)15:21
TuxOtakudid they fix the problem with the desktop cube?15:21
fernandohi, my volumen keys of my keyboard doesn't work.. I can only achieve between 0 and 11% of volumen..15:22
TuxOtakuRC2 really didn't do it justice15:22
fernandohow can I fix this problem??15:22
fernandoI am using kubuntu 7.1015:22
Daisuke_Idothat's not 11%, that's 11.  you have spinal tap's volume control!15:23
NielsEnoob:I accidentally removed all my programs in my taskbar.., now my programs are gone when I minimize them, howo can I turn it back?15:23
Daisuke_IdoNielsE: right-click that bottom panel and "add applet", and re-add the taskbar15:23
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NielsErightclick doesnt do anything15:24
Daisuke_Idoare you using kde 3 or 4?15:24
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NielsEme? sorry, 415:24
Daisuke_Idoah.15:24
Daisuke_Idohmm...  good luck with that15:24
NielsEhaha, thanks :D15:25
Daisuke_Idoactually, i think if you right-click the *desktop* you can get to the applet configuration15:25
CrashTest_Hi all.  I am running 7.10, and Update manager told me that it was time to run updates.  This caused KDM to try to upgrade, it errored out, now I can't upgrade KDM.  The error is:15:25
CrashTest_dpkg: error processing kdm (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1.  I have tried apt-get -f install, apt-get clean, apt-get autoclean && apt-get install --reinstall kdm, no luck15:25
nareshovHey, I installed KDE 4 from the ppa and when I to log in all I get is an xterm and the top-left corner :|15:25
NielsEDaisuke_Ido: I can add a taskbar widget to my desktop, but its a black block and it just sits there doing nothing, and it seems I cant drag it to my bar15:26
geniiCrashTest_: sudo apt-get remove --purge kdm; sudo apt-get install kdm15:26
geniiIf loathe to remove, try perhaps sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm15:27
Daisuke_Idohrmm15:27
MurielGodoiI am trying to figure out, how can I set the size of taskbar? That is huge for me :/15:27
Daisuke_IdoMurielGodoi: kde 4?15:27
CrashTest_genii: Will that cause it to un-install all of the things that are dependant?15:27
MurielGodoiyep15:27
Daisuke_Idoout of my league then :\  i've played with it for a whole 20 minutes and put it away until 4.115:28
geniiCrashTest_: It will remove the conf files, etc. So would say yes15:28
NielsEDaisuke_ido: got it, just drag the "task manager" thingy in the menu to the bar15:28
nareshovCan someone help me, I'm not getting the KDE4 desktop, all I'm getting is an xterm at the top-left corner.15:28
Daisuke_Idonice15:28
CrashTest_well, dpkg-reconfigure kdm didn't work genii15:29
CrashTest_so I may have to purge?15:29
geniiCrashTest_: Were you using previously gdm?15:29
CrashTest_Yes15:29
geniiCrashTest_: Then do: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm                  and then choose kdm as the default login manager15:29
CrashTest_ok15:30
CrashTest_ah that worked, now it installed correctly genii15:30
geniiCrashTest_: Good15:30
CrashTest_Ok, I am off, thanks for your help genii15:31
geniiCrashTest_: Have a good one, and welcome15:31
Jay-Oh-Engenii: he got the heck out of here15:31
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WinstonSmithDoes anybody know where the volume control is?15:34
_Angelus_not me15:35
jpatrickWinstonSmith: kmix?15:35
WinstonSmithin KDE 415:35
kumamotosecret = alsactrl15:35
* kumamoto 2cents15:35
jpatrickalsamixer I think15:35
kumamotoah15:36
kumamotois it me or does the 64bit version of kubuntu doesn't have support for adobe flashplayer15:37
hydrogenWinstonSmith: kmix is still there15:37
kumamotoor is it the other way round15:37
jpatrickWinstonSmith: apt-get install kmix-kde415:37
khaurkumamoto: there's no 64bit version of flash. but i think there's a way to get flash going on 64bit kubuntu anyway15:38
_Angelus_yes15:40
WinstonSmithjpatrick: thank you, I can finally turn the volume down15:40
dr-househello.15:40
_Angelus_using nspluginwrapper15:40
_Angelus_makes flash works on 32bit15:40
_Angelus_xD15:40
dr-housecan you tell me the command to install kde 4 ?15:40
_Angelus_command?15:40
hydrogensee the topic15:40
jpatrickWinstonSmith: you are welcome :)15:40
_Angelus_go to kubuntu.org and read the announcment?15:40
jpatrick!kde4 > dr-house15:40
davfIs there a control panel for kde4 taskbar?15:42
hydrogenno15:42
WinstonSmithI found 'panels' in lost and found, it didn't help me15:43
davfHow do you change the size?15:43
khelllhow to get the mac address ?15:43
hydrogendavf: you don't15:44
davfAlso how to you change the font on clock?15:44
davfaye?15:44
davfbut it's huge!15:44
hydrogenright click on the clock15:44
hydrogenand choose settings15:44
davfno font size though15:44
davfonly font type15:44
rebecca_hey peoples, i followed the instructions for the restricted media setup but playing virtually any AVI file, while functional, is disgustingly colour saturated and contrasty. can anyone suggest how the codecs are fixed?15:44
WinstonSmithI can change typeface and bold on the clock only15:45
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WinstonSmithIf you show the date, it makes the time smaller :)15:46
davfWinstonSmith - that's better.15:46
phoboselo15:46
phobosesesmanice15:46
doktoreashello15:46
doktoreasis printing working in kde4?15:46
davfbut the taskbar is too big15:46
phoboswhat your name15:46
phobos?15:47
WinstonSmithdavf: I usually use auto hide, but I can't find it :(15:47
hydrogendavf: allthough it's called kde4.0.0... one can still considder it much unfinished software15:47
rebecca_i have installed "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras" and vlc + xine + mplayer and they all produce the same colour saturated video output15:47
rebecca_im running gutsy15:48
pokerWitam, zna  ktos jakis polski dobry kanal:D?15:48
WinstonSmithIt's like a car without any wheels15:48
genii!pl | poker15:49
ubotupoker: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl15:49
WinstonSmithHow do I go back back to KDE 3?15:49
jpatrickWinstonSmith: start it in KDM?15:49
doktoreaswich is the pdf viewer in kde4?15:49
hydrogenokular15:50
doktoreasthx15:50
doktoreasnow just waiting for amarok :(15:50
hydrogenwill be a long wait15:50
doktoreasthere are svn package around?15:51
jpatrickdoktoreas: no, it doesn't build15:51
hydrogeni hope not15:51
jpatrickand not planned for release soon from what I've heard15:52
hydrogenprobably around kde4.115:52
hydrogendefinatly after qt4.4 is released15:52
WinstonSmithThanks for the help, but I'm going back to KDE315:52
WinstonSmithI'll try it again when 4.1 is released15:53
WinstonSmithtcya15:53
WinstonSmithdya15:53
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WinstonSmiththat was painless, I logged out of KDE4 and logged in as KDE315:55
WinstonSmithand all my icons where back in place, volume control, quick launchers etc15:56
jpatrickWinstonSmith: we made it that way (install side-by-side)15:56
doktoreasnow i miss an irc client15:57
doktoreasi'll go for chatzilla15:57
pestilencecould somebody explain what this means:  To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1 then  and run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the Xerphyr xterm.15:57
pestilencein the instructions for running KDE 415:58
jpatrickdoktoreas: irssi?15:58
pestilenceis installing xephyr required, or optional if you want to try kde 4?15:58
jpatrickpestilence: do that in the konsole :)15:58
jpatrickno15:58
hydrogenpestilence: optional15:58
jpatrickpestilence: you can choose it from KDM15:58
pestilenceahh.  so this is if you want to run kde4 on top of kde 3?15:58
jpatrickyes15:59
pestilence(my computer is still installing kde4-core)15:59
pestilencejpatrick, hydrogen: thanks15:59
pestilenceam i instantly going to revert to kde 3, or will i like kde 4? :-D16:00
jpatrickdepends on you16:00
pestilenceguess i'm gonna find out now, it just finished installing16:00
pestilencebrb.16:00
firecrotch pestilence: Good luck :)16:00
acetai want to install kde4-core too, but adept tells me it's broken and won't install it16:01
acetawhat do i have to do?16:01
pestilencearrgh, it doesn't grandfather your settings :-D16:02
jpatrickaceta: backports? some last packages may still/mirrors updating16:02
Lynourehmm, I installed KDE4, now it seem the Kate that starts by default is the one for kde4, why did that happen?16:03
Lynoureeven when I'm in the old kde, I mean.16:03
jpatrickLynoure: have you installed kate-kde4?16:03
acetayou mean whether the backports repository is activated in sources.list?16:04
jpatrickpestilence: it's been patched to use ~/.kde416:04
jpatrickaceta: no16:04
Lynourejpatrick: I just followed the instuctions in the topic, with   sudo aptitude install kde4-core16:04
rebecca__im running gutsy, i followed the instructions for the restricted media setup but playing virtually any AVI file, while functional, is disgustingly colour saturated and contrasty. can anyone suggest how the codecs are fixed? i have installed "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras" and vlc + xine + mplayer and they all produce the same colour saturated video output.16:04
pestilencejpatrick: i suppose that's probably a good thing16:04
Lynourejpatrick: guess aptitude pulled recommended16:04
MurielGodoiany1 got success on activate compiz in kde4?16:05
Lynourejpatrick: But, does that mean that kde4 soft will take place of kde3 soft, if they share the same name? That would vacuum a bit...16:05
sigma_1234anyone tried kde4 here yet?16:05
jpatrickLynoure: Kate got so advance it got moved to kdesdk-kde416:05
jpatricksigma_1234: most of the people, hehe16:05
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firecrotchMurielGodoi:  Why would you want to run Compiz on KDE4 when KWin does compositing?16:06
pestilencehow come i can't change the size of the taskbar...16:06
jpatrickfirecrotch: effects fans prefer compiz16:06
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jpatrickpestilence: no settings for it yet16:06
firecrotchpestilence:  hasn't been implemented yet16:06
pestilenceouch!16:06
pestilencehow can they release it?16:06
Lynourejpatrick: So, what would you recommend? Is uninstalling the new kate enough?16:07
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jpatrickLynoure: and since kdesdk-kde4 is dev stuff I don't think it comes by default16:07
firecrotchpestilence:  I'd almost say that this is similar to microsoft releasing Vista before it's completely ready16:07
pestilenceseems like a pretty basic feature to leave off a release16:07
sigma_1234thats a small feature16:07
MurielGodoifirecrotch: yep... i am used to visual effects16:07
hydrogenpestilence: because it wasn't fair to hold up the rest of kde for something like that16:07
pestilenceand i can't add quick launchers to the taskbar either?16:07
hydrogenthe goal of kde4 was to release something that works16:08
hydrogennot something that was equivilent featurewise to kde3.516:08
hydrogenif you omgneed such features, continue to use 3.516:08
ubuntu__stdin theres no packings manager that works with the live cd on kde416:08
sigma_1234its because plasma is the least complete component. they were more worried about the other ones16:08
jpatrickubuntu__: aptitide apt?16:08
* jpatrick ducks16:09
sigma_1234i would assume that kpackage would work16:09
Lynourejpatrick: honestly: Package kdesdk-kde4 is not installed, so not removed16:09
sigma_1234a bit old but does the job none the less16:10
jpatrickLynoure: yes, I hope so ;) not everyone wants dev stuff16:10
jpatrickLynoure: but have you done apt-get install kate-kde4?16:10
sigma_1234amarok 2 isnt in kde4 yet hey?16:10
jpatricksigma_1234: no16:10
jpatricksigma_1234: someone asked that before you came in16:11
Lynourejpatrick: no, just did the command I told you. apt-get remove kate-kde4  claims it could not be found (maybe because I commented out PPA after that one command)16:11
firecrotchIs it just me, or does KDE4 seem a little... OSX-ish?16:11
jpatrickLynoure: yeah, probably still building in backports buildds16:11
sigma_1234does kontact have a kde4 version or did they just put the kde3 one in?16:12
jpatrickfirecrotch: first window-ish now osx-ish, what next16:12
Lynourejpatrick: oops, not kate, kwrite, it seems16:12
hydrogensigma_1234: kdepim is not being released until kde4.116:12
jpatricksigma_1234: kdepimlibs is not yet ready16:12
hydrogenkdepimlibs is ready16:12
hydrogenkdepim isn't16:12
firecrotchjpatrick: gnome-ish?16:12
hydrogentut tut16:12
Lynourejpatrick: but same problem, it seems to be default for my kde 3.5.8 now16:12
rebecca_anyone?16:12
jpatrickLynoure: aha... odd16:13
sigma_1234so i can't use any kontact with kde4?16:13
jpatricksigma_1234: it will run in KDE416:13
wesleythe kde4 live cd does not have have a working packing manager16:13
sigma_1234you mean the old one will?16:13
Lynourejpatrick: scary, even :/16:13
jpatrickyes16:13
jpatricksigma_1234: ^16:14
sigma_1234wesley: use kpackage16:14
jpatrickwesley: aptitude/apt16:14
acetadid someone try kde4 on amd64?16:14
wesleykpackage needs smarts16:14
sigma_1234smarts?16:14
wesleysmart yeah16:15
sigma_1234i didnt know it had dependencies16:15
wesleyi got a new plan use kde3 and only let the kde3 apps there that i need16:15
Jeroihello, will hardy heron update gutsty gibbons kde3 to kde4 and remember all the default user inputed decicions?16:15
sigma_1234that new kmenu looks rely cool. i like the animations16:16
dan__jh16:16
Jeroihmm what is the best way to try kde4 out?16:16
Jeroiand keep kde3 still there?16:16
wesleylive cd16:16
sigma_1234live cd16:17
combiniohello, do u know maybe how to connect computer to the router ?? :}16:17
combinioi want to share the signal (Internet) with friend16:17
sigma_1234plug the network cable in!16:17
wesleybut if you want to use it to its full potentions with codecs and all i should install it next your kde316:17
sigma_1234or install it on a new partition16:18
wesleyyou can install it but it still thinks after it it is a live cd16:19
combinio!router16:19
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about router - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi16:19
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sigma_1234what you mean it still thinks its a router?16:19
sigma_1234a live cd i mean16:20
mjwildcan not get SD card to work on kubuntu Dell x300 laptop16:20
jpatrick!sound | mjwild16:21
ubotumjwild: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP316:21
sigma_1234internal or external reader?16:21
sandeephey everyone16:21
sandeepSorry for being a newbie but16:21
sandeepIf i run the automatic updates for today16:22
sandeepwill I update to kde4 aswell?16:22
sandeepI see alot of kde apps being updated16:22
jpatricksandeep: no16:22
sandeepoh16:22
sandeepI guess then I have to do an apt-get for it right?16:22
mjwildinternal reader16:22
jpatricksandeep: can you pastebin what apt-get upgrade gives?16:23
sandeep?16:23
jpatrick!paste | sandeep16:23
ubotusandeep: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)16:23
sandeepoh when i try usint apt get16:23
sandeepit just says16:23
sigma_1234if it did there would be rather large problems16:23
sandeepkde4-core in an invalid command16:23
sandeepmy command is16:23
sandeepsudo apt-get kde4-core16:24
sandeepand it doesnt go through16:24
jpatricksandeep: sudo apt-get upgrade16:24
jpatricksandeep: the correct commando is sudo apt-get install kde4-core16:24
sandeepyea i did that after16:24
khaursandeep: you're missing "install" in there16:24
sigma_1234sudo apt-get install kde4-core16:24
sandeepohhhhhhhhhh16:24
sandeepmy mistake16:24
sandeepsorry16:24
sandeeplets give it a shot now16:25
sandeepok16:25
firecrotchMan, cdimages.ubuntu.com must be getting hit HARD today :(16:25
JeroiI always wonder why there is needed "install", in my opinion atp-install or apt-get would be fine enough16:25
sigma_1234mjwild: the internal reader is probably not supported16:25
sandeepthe packets arent verified yet?16:26
Jeroi*apt16:26
sandeeppackages*16:26
jpatricksandeep: they aren't in backports16:26
sandeepok i see16:26
sandeepthanks alot guys!16:26
firecrotchJeroi:  You could always set up an alias in your .bashrc16:26
Jeroihmm16:26
Jeroiok16:26
Jeroithanks16:26
Jeroihow to do that?16:27
nuxilhow do i get tv-out "svideo" to work on a gf8800 card ? i cant get this crap to work. :(16:27
Jeroityped sudo nano .bashrc16:27
Jeroibut it is empty file16:27
combiniohow to install BIN file ?16:27
combiniohow to install *.bin ?16:28
firecrotchJeroi: Are you in your home directory?16:28
combinio!bin16:28
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about bin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi16:28
Jeroiyes16:28
Jeroicombinio try /msg ubotu factoid16:29
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Jeroithen you get answer to pm16:29
Jeroiand you are not flooding the channel16:29
hydrogencombinio: you should be able to just run it16:29
hydrogenif its executable16:29
LjLcombinio: extensions don't really mean anything, so we need to know what kind of file it is, and you can find that out by typing « file filename.bin ». however, i can bet it's an executable, so you can make it executable if needed (chmod +x filename) and then run it with « ./filename » -- however, what is it? it's generally unwise to install stuff like that.16:29
Jeroiisint .bin image?16:30
Jeroiyou need .cue and .bin image mounter16:30
nuxillol16:30
Jeroicdemu does that16:30
nuxilbin is a binary file..16:30
Jeroiyou can mount with it bin images16:30
Jeroiah16:30
combinioLjL: oka, thanks16:30
firecrotchJeroi: extensions are meaningless anyways :)16:31
LjLnuxil, Jeroi: it depends, it can be both things. that's why i said the extension doesn't really mean anything and one should use "file" to find out.16:31
Jeroihmm how do I make aliases?16:31
Jeroifor bash?16:31
LjLJeroi: "help alias". edit ~/.bashrc to make them permanent16:31
hydrogenthe type of file probably highly depends where you got it16:31
firecrotchJeroi: alias apt-install='sudo apt-get install'    for what you want to do :)16:32
hydrogenif you downloaded it from a website providing linux software, its likely an executable.. if you downloaded it from a more.. legally questioanable place, its likely an image16:32
kexikhello. Is it possible to install KDE 4 final on Kubuntu Gutsy?16:32
jpatrickkexik: yes16:32
jpatrick!kde4 > kexik16:32
* hydrogen wonders why people refuse to read the topic16:33
nuxilKDE4 final ? is kde4 finished ?16:33
sandeepyea16:33
sandeepnuxil16:33
eutherI've installed standard ubuntu hardy alpha-3; will apt-get install kubuntu-desktop give me kde4 ?16:33
nuxil:D16:33
sandeepits final16:33
hydrogenno16:33
sandeepi know :D16:33
hydrogenits not finished16:33
hydrogenits released16:33
sandeepwattttttttt?16:33
sandeepreally?16:33
jpatrickeuther: no16:33
hydrogenit's no where near finished16:33
Lynourejpatrick: hmm, it seems kwrite4 is only default if I click a .txt file from konqueror, if I type kwrite I still get the right version16:33
kexikok, but I added "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main" but what next I must to do16:33
sandeepoh >>;;16:33
jpatrickkexik,euther: install kdebase-workpace-dev16:33
* nuxil confused16:33
nuxilfianl beta :P16:34
kexikkdebase-workpace-dev ? Isn't it dev version?16:34
firecrotchnuxil:  not really16:34
jpatricknuxil: KDE 4.0.0 has been relase16:34
jpatrickkexik: no, it's the base kde4 install16:34
kexikok, thanks16:34
Jeroialias install='sudo apt-get install'16:35
Jeroido not work16:35
nuxiljpatrick, i bet its buggy.16:35
jpatricknuxil: yes, of course16:35
firecrotchnuxil:  KDE4 is buggy, yes.16:35
Jeroicommand not found16:35
eutherjpatrick: you mean "kde-workspace-dev" ?16:36
se7en_Jeroi: restart your console and it will16:36
jpatrickeuther: no16:36
wastedfluidTo avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1 then  and run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the Xerphyr xterm. <-- what exactly does this mean?  can i just re-start after I install the core and select kde4?16:36
jpatrickwastedfluid: no, that's if you want to run KDE4 inside a  KDE3 session16:36
Jeroivau, I made install behave like apt-get install16:37
dhq!kde416:37
Jeroiheh16:37
ubotuKDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/16:37
Jeroithanks16:37
wesleyi see kdm is updated16:41
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DreadKnightwesley: you mean kdm-kde4 ? looks very odd on my system... "welcome to debian..."16:42
firecrotchHahahahaha guess someone forgot to do a find/replace somewhere :)16:43
DreadKnighthow come when i try to launch addept and i'm asked for the root password... it say it's incorect under kde4 :| ?16:43
firecrotchDreadKnight:  It's a bug in kdesudo16:44
geniiUse your own password16:44
DreadKnightgenii: i'm using my own xD16:44
nosrednaekimyeah... I noticed that,you have to enter the ROOT password16:44
DreadKnightand the fonts of some applications, including konversation is damn small16:44
firecrotchkdesudo is currently operating where it uses su as the backend instead of sudo16:44
geniiDreadKnight: Ah, OK, misunderstood16:44
geniifirecrotch: Hmm. That doesn't seem ...nice16:45
DreadKnightnosrednaekim: ??? no root account.. using my pass16:45
firecrotchgenii: no it isn't16:45
podr0znikHello all :)16:45
wesleyworks the kde4 meta pack already16:45
nosrednaekimDreadKnight: yeah.... I think you have to manually say "kdesudo <app>" otherwise it uses the kde4 kdesu.16:45
DreadKnightnosrednaekim: will try that :)16:46
kingrayrayin kopete, I like to turn off all the toolbars in IM windows, but the next time i open kopete they come back.. any way to make it a permanent change? :/16:48
DreadKnightwhat's the "name" for the addept manager?16:48
dewdHas someone already tried kde 4.0 ?16:48
nosrednaekimadept_manager16:48
nosrednaekimdewd: tons:)16:48
DreadKnightoh with_ xD thanks16:48
gsuvegre16:49
dewdnosrednaekim: Are u happy with it ?16:49
nosrednaekimDreadKnight: you could always try using tab16:49
nosrednaekimdewd: i've been using it for a month16:49
DreadKnightdewd: join #kde4-launch-party to see the fanatics xD16:49
nosrednaekimDreadKnight: thats empty16:49
dewdnosrednaekim: I just started it but it looks butt ugly to me, the plasma thing can this be disbled ?16:49
nosrednaekimdewd: don't like the panel?16:50
kexikI always get 3.64 and similar package versions. Isn't it prerelease of KDE 4? Isn't it because of czech language?16:50
DreadKnight#kde4-release-party sorry :D16:50
dewdcan't seem to get an standard start menu in there too .. I same a demo where you could drag clock to bar and to desktop and back16:50
dewdbut doesn't seem to work, i hate the new menu but rightmouse on the panel does not reveal the usual "add this and that"16:51
nosrednaekimdewd: yeah, the panel is very lacking.16:51
DreadKnightdewd: i had mine lost... had to delete something from the .kde4 folder16:51
dewdI can add it as an plasmoid thingy to the desktop and cannot drag it to the panel16:51
dewdthe apps look quite ok though16:51
nosrednaekimdewd: you have to drag directly from the plasma selector to the panel16:52
dewdbut the menu and the plasmoid icons are just plain crap16:52
DreadKnightnosrednaekim: where did you mean I can press the Tab key for autocompletion or something? :D16:52
dewdahh16:52
dewdI'll try that16:52
Kazzwhy do i get Buffer I/0 Error on device hda, logical block 016:52
Kazzwhen i try to install kubuntu16:52
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nosrednaekimDreadKnight: on the terminal, type in "adept" and then hit tab a couple times16:52
dewdKazz: time to buy a new disk I think16:52
Kazzwell its newly burned :P16:53
DreadKnightnosrednaekim: oh, I've learned something new thanks :D16:53
DreadKnightalways missed some auto-completion16:54
_Shade_is there any irc channel that allows to ask some questions about KUBUNTU development version? the one i know is ubuntu+1 but it's more general16:55
euther"gcc-3.3" from the kde4 ppa ?16:55
nosrednaekim_Shade_: ubuntu+1 is the right place16:55
_Shade_nosrednaekim: might be but it's not so active :)16:56
DreadKnight_Shade_: #kubuntu-devel16:56
nosrednaekim_Shade_: if they are possible kde bugs, ask in #kubuntu-devel16:56
markchow do I get rid of kickoff in kde4 and get the simple K menu ?16:57
podr0znikdoes anybody know how to switch off this adept-updater?16:58
dewdnosrednaekim: k that works (still not easy to get the placement right)16:58
podr0znikit's giving me updates every day16:58
podr0znika bit too much I think16:58
nosrednaekimpodr0znik: right click on it, quit, and tell it not to start at startup16:58
dewdDunno what's all that cool about this I like nice tech improvements but lot's of stuff appears quite crappy16:58
wastedfluidhey, uh, stupid question.. I removed the clock to replace it with an analong clock in kde4.  how do i get plasma to put the clock back in the tray?  dragging it there puts it out of screen range.16:59
_Shade_well i just wanted to ask about the possibility of implementing something further than kde4.0 in hardy final. I think that it's good signing but very incomplete as well and it would leave users well behind16:59
serzholinomarkc: there is plasmoid like classic kde menu16:59
podr0zniknosrednaekim: too easy to ask actually :) thanks :)16:59
werseverytime I log in kde 4, after the splash screen, I go back to gdm16:59
wersthe desktop does not load16:59
wersany idea?16:59
firecrotchwastedfluid: drag it directly from the Add Widget window16:59
nosrednaekimwers: try doing this "touch .kde4/share/config/startupconfig"16:59
wastedfluidah, thanks friend.17:00
firecrotchwastedfluid: no problem;  took me a while to figure that one out lol17:00
markcserzholino, got it, thanks... how to get it onto the panel and get rid of kickoff ?17:00
wersnosrednaekim, i ran it already17:01
wastedfluidhow about a quick launcher widget?  i can't seem to find it in the default list17:01
wersi try loggin in kde  4 again?17:01
nosrednaekimwers: yes17:01
firecrotchwastedfluid: Icon widget :)17:01
wersthanks. will try it17:01
serzholinomarkc: [18:58:58] <firecrotch> wastedfluid: drag it directly from the Add Widget window17:01
wastedfluidwow.. i wish there was an easier way of doing this.17:02
wastedfluidI usually have 10-15 icons for a quick launcher17:03
firecrotchwastedfluid:  Yeah, a lot of the stuff could be a lot easier.  That'll all happen in time though17:03
wastedfluidksmoothdock it is17:04
markcserzholino, great thanks again, it's not of the far left but it will do until the "kicker" is configurable17:04
atigohello17:04
firecrotchwastedfluid:  Have you tried AWN?17:04
wastedfluidNot yet.  I'll take a look.17:05
atigoI have a strange problem with KDE4, can anyone help me?17:05
wastedfluidOkay; here's a good one.  What's the new program that controls laptop process speed at now?17:05
firecrotchI've always had problems with ksmoothdock17:05
firecrotchand that is a good question, I haven't looked into that yet17:06
wastedfluidlol, yeah, my laptop is running out blazing guns.. 100% processor, and i never run it at that much17:07
firecrotchthat would explain why my laptop is so warm lol :)17:07
wastedfluidlol.. maybe so, but mine is definitely heating up.17:07
firecrotchIf there isn't a kde4 version, I would assume that the kde3 version would work stil17:08
firecrotchI just don't know the actual name of it17:08
stdin"guidance-power-manager"17:08
wersnosrednaekim, still can't log in17:08
firecrotchah, thanks stdin17:08
wastedfluidwhew.. there we go17:08
firecrotchshouldnt you be sleeping or something ?17:08
wastedfluidnow to add all of this stuff to autostart.17:08
bsmhi, anyone recognized kopete-kde4 eating up 10PU all the time?17:09
stdinfirecrotch: I should, but I'm not :)17:09
bsmeven 10PU17:09
bsm10 percent CPU17:09
firecrotchstdin:  Same here, I'm having too much fun playing with kde4 and partying in #kde4-release-party :-D17:10
stdinI spent the last few hours *away* from my PC, was great :p17:10
wesleylol we have all fun playing with kde417:10
atigoWhen kubuntu runs Xterm, not KDE, I have to start it manually form Xterm, anyone know what should I change?17:10
stdinmake sure you're choosing the right session from the KMenu17:11
stdinerm, KDM menu...17:11
atigoI'm sure17:11
firecrotchstdin:  well, while you're back.... I hear that the Debian guys say that it's "impossible" to install KDE4 alongside KDE317:11
* stdin should probably sleep to regain mental control17:11
arrrghhhhey all, is kde4 going to be in the repos?17:12
bsmits in17:12
arrrghhhor do i have to follow the advice on kubuntu.org about removing etc17:12
firecrotcharrrghhh:  it's being put into gutsy-backports right now17:12
stdinfirecrotch: maybe with the way debian packages it, but not the way we do17:12
arrrghhhok17:12
stdinarrrghhh: both, it's filtering into -bakports now17:12
atigoso? :>17:12
arrrghhhhrm17:12
arrrghhhadept just pulled a boatload of updates17:12
wastedfluidis .kde4/share/autostart still the go to?17:13
wersI can't log in kde4 :( whenever I try to do so, after the splash screen, GDM comes out again17:13
firecrotchstdin: do you know if the debian way is much different than the kubuntu way?17:13
DreadKnightarrrghhh: that removing stuff actually removed important kde3 stuff from me...17:13
arrrghhhgreat17:13
arrrghhhso what's the *best* way to update to kde4?17:13
arrrghhhi really want to see/use it...17:13
stdinfirecrotch: I don't think they have a separate install path for kde4, so it get's installed to /usr not /usr/lib/kde417:14
DreadKnightarrrghhh: i think adding the ppa and "sudo apt-get install kde4"17:14
DreadKnight;)17:14
firecrotchstdin: Alright, thanks :)17:15
firecrotchSomeone please tell me that I'm not the only one who is getting crappy d/l speeds from cdimages.ubuntu.com17:16
stdinarrrghhh: try "kde4-core" before "kde4", just in case17:16
arrrghhhyea that's what kubuntu.org suggest17:16
arrrghhhi've already added the deb to sources.list17:16
DreadKnightarrrghhh: it worked for me the both ways :)17:16
wastedfluidfirecrotch: how about autostarting?17:17
stdinif "kde4" breaks, you'll have a lot more dependencies to sort17:17
arrrghhhok17:17
PrateekHello everybody....my Kubuntu is not mounting NTFS HELP17:17
arrrghhhPrateek: do you have ntfs-3g installed?17:17
Prateekwots dat?17:17
* stdin points wastedfluid to ~/.kde4/Autostart/17:17
wastedfluidK17:17
wastedfluidI figured, but wasn't sure.17:17
Prateekma kubuntu is 7.10!17:17
emilsedghstdin: so what are the common problems in kde4 ? :P17:17
firecrotchwastedfluid:  a symlink in ~/.kde4/autostart should do the trick17:17
wastedfluidI read an article about a "KAutostart"17:17
kdean06The alpha 3 announcement mentioned having "two CDs" one wiht 3.5 and another wiht 4.0 - I'm interested in using the 4.0 based Kubuntu alpha image, but I'm not sure which one is the 3.5 and the 4.0, can someone please point me in the direction of the image I want?17:17
wastedfluidso I wasn't exactly sure.17:17
arrrghhhPrateek: google is your friend, it's in the repos17:17
arrrghhh!ntfs17:17
ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE17:17
stdinemilsedgh: it's the 1st release, there's bound to be a few17:18
arrrghhhPrateek: go look there17:18
wastedfluidfirecrotch: I'm testing AWN now. :-)17:18
stdinkdean06: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/ :)17:18
emilsedghright17:18
stdinPrateek: how have you tried ?17:19
Longfieldhello. I have just installed KDE4 on gutsy, everything runs fine ... however I cannot see any kwin4 effects. Does it need xgl ?17:19
stdin(keep support questions in here please)17:19
kristjan_how do you move pager to panel in kde 4?17:19
Prateekwell...i m a LIVE user..n use windows xp sp217:19
kristjan_Longfield: did you enable it in system settings?17:19
stdinLongfield: look in system settings -> desktop17:19
stdin!ntfs | Prateek, see this17:19
Prateekubuntu shows read write access too....but kubuntu doesnt!17:19
wastedfluidbah.  i love kde4 already.. the eye candy is something else.  definitely great work.17:20
* stdin waits for ubotu17:20
Prateekwot!17:20
ubotuPrateek, see this: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE17:20
dani_lkristjan_: should be there by default. but if you need to add one to the panel, drag it from the add applets dialog to the panel17:20
Longfieldhere is what I get when I run kwin-kde417:20
stdindon't, if you run kde4 then it's already running17:20
kristjan_dani_l: I find counter-intuitive17:21
Longfieldyep, they are enabled, that's why I don't understand17:21
vertigo_hi!17:21
stdinLongfield: try logging out and back in, to make kwin reload it's settings17:21
Longfieldstdin: already tried 2-3 times17:21
kristjan_dani_l: it works, but I was expecting other behaviour :-)17:22
stdinLongfield: what graphics card?17:22
kristjan_Longfield: can you run compiz without problems?17:22
Longfieldnvidia 7600 GS with nvidia binary driver17:22
kdean06stdin, That's the Gutsy image for x86. I'm interested in the Hardy Alpha 3 image running KDE4 on x86_64 but the release announcement isn't clear on where to find that and doesn't distinguish which ISO I would be downloading.17:22
dani_lkristjan_: understandable. ;) i think it will be better in 4.117:22
stdinkdean06: there is not hardy kde4 release yet17:23
Longfieldwell, with yesterday's KDE4 effects were ok ... :/17:23
kdean06Oh, okay, thank you. :) That wasn't clear.17:23
naranhajust a quick question... i just installed the new kde4 kubuntu packages and kde (especially plasma) seems to run a bit slow (especially the plasma effects)... is there a way to make it faster (like enabling hw acceleration or sth. like that)?17:23
wastedfluidfirecrotch: bah.  Must I really install all these gnome libraries for AWN?17:23
stdinwastedfluid: if apt says so, then yes17:24
* wastedfluid cries17:24
supert0neshow has your experience with awn  and kde been?17:24
wastedfluidI'm about to find out for myself.17:24
firecrotchwastedfluid: I never noticed that.... probably because I have gnome installed on here :)17:24
supert0nesmine was awful and i decided to use gnome instead17:24
supert0nesawn is that good17:24
wastedfluidWell, there is crapshoot of gnome dependencies17:25
firecrotchsupert0nes:  I've never had a problem with awn in KDE.  even works in kde417:25
Catalin1234hello17:26
stdinubotu: tell Prateek about mp317:26
Catalin1234i installed wireshark and tried to see how it works17:26
Catalin1234after i installed it the internet stopped working17:26
Catalin1234basically i couldn't ping the router17:27
Catalin1234i uninstalled the program17:27
Catalin1234but it still doesn't work17:27
Catalin1234anybody has any idea17:27
Catalin1234and can help me.. please do so17:27
stdinwireshark has nothing to do with ping, the problem is somewhere else17:27
stdincan you ping the IP address? or google.com ?17:27
Catalin1234no17:28
wastedfluidOh, it needs compiz.17:28
Catalin1234the only ping i receive answer from is myself (logic)17:28
stdinhave you tried restarting the network?17:28
stdinwastedfluid: nope17:28
Flosofthey17:28
wastedfluidError: Screen isn't composited. Please run compiz (-fusion) or another compositing manager.17:28
Catalin1234i did.. i changed from dhcp to static and back17:28
stdinwastedfluid: that's lame :p17:28
firecrotchwastedfluid:  in kde3, yes17:28
Catalin1234and everytime i did it restarted it17:28
Flosoftto get KDE4 ... when will that update gutsy itself?17:28
hagabakahmm17:28
Flosoftor the packages be in the main ubuntu repo?17:29
nosrednaekimwastedfluid: complain to the awn devs17:29
wastedfluidI'm not complaining17:29
wastedfluidI'm just removing17:29
nosrednaekimwastedfluid: kwin4 is a compositing WM17:29
wastedfluidand I'll go back to ksmoothdock17:29
stdinFlosoft: they will be in gutsy-backports/universe17:29
nosrednaekimlol17:29
Flosoftok17:29
FlosoftI have that enabled17:29
Flosoftany ETA?17:29
kawpeeka1So if I wish to remove KDE4 entirely, how do I do that?17:29
hagabakawhen I have http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu in sources.list, there are also updates for the kde3 packages. is there a way to ignore those?17:29
stdinCatalin1234: do you get an IP address, and can you connect to the net?17:29
Catalin1234yes i get the ip address17:30
stdinFlosoft: how long is a piece of string?17:30
Catalin1234(that's what i find weird)17:30
kawpeeka1stdin: Does removing kde4-core remove KDE 4?17:30
stdinkawpeeka1: not unless you use aptitude17:30
wesley!adept-fix17:30
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about adept-fix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi17:30
Catalin1234no... i can't connect to the internet17:30
wesley!adeptfix17:30
ubotuIf an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »17:30
stdin!aptfix | wesley17:30
ubotuwesley: please see above17:30
kubuntuHey, i installed Ubuntu Gutsy a few days ago and yesterday i installed the "Kubuntu desktop Package", so, i have the KDE desktop and like it more than Gnome. The question is, when a new Ubuntu version arrives, what will happen when a new Ubuntu/Kubuntu version arrives, shall i upgrade both (1.5GB with a |@·|@ modem connection) or only one?17:32
thewhitepelicanwhy is it, when I click help, some apps say I'm using kde 4.0, the others say I'm using kde 3.5.8?17:32
kubuntuI think i will have to upgrade only the system, from Ubuntu/Kubuntu Gutsy to Ubuntu/Kubuntu X, not both really?17:32
shadowhywindKde 4 is offically released now?17:33
firecrotchshadowhywind:  that's correct17:33
shadowhywindsweet!17:33
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stdinthewhitepelican: kde4 apps show the kde4 version and kde3 apps show the kde3 version17:34
thewhitepelicanohhhh17:34
thewhitepelicanthanks17:34
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kubuntuAnd when i say the system i mean the true system, not the Desktop manager, really? I mean, i think that the only difference between Ubuntu/Kubuntu is that one have GNome and the other KDE17:35
thewhitepelicanI installed kde 4 yesterday before the official kde 4 came out. I went into adept and did an update and dist-upgrade. is there anything else I need to do to be offically running kde 4.0?17:35
shadowhywindis there a way to get the kde 4 programs from not getting added to kde3?17:35
rec53kubuntu: The normal methods will involve upgrading both the kde and GNOME packages.17:35
rec53I would expect that removing the gnome packages before upgrading would be the route to take if you wanted to avoid upgrading both17:35
kubuntuSo, will i have to upgrade both or only one?17:35
wastedfluidwow.  ksmoothdock lost its transparency now :p17:35
rec53kubuntu: You have understood the difference correctly :)17:35
NielsEI have installed kde4 and kdm-kde4 but kdm sais now: "a critical error occurred, contact your admin"17:36
stdinthewhitepelican: just make sure you install "kde4-core" to be sure, that's it17:36
rec53kubuntu: So you'll upgrade everything on the system at the time you choose to upgrade, but you can remove most of the gnome stuff before upgradin if you wish17:37
thewhitepelicani think I did that yesterday17:37
dani_li have a packaging problem installing 4.0.0 on gutsy/amd64: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51558/17:37
rec53A better route might be just to reinstall kubuntu cleanly on the next release, getting a pretty disk, avoiding the modem problem?17:37
thewhitepelicanif thosoe were part of your instructions yesterday17:38
thewhitepelicanthoswe*17:38
stdindani_l: why are you removing those?17:38
tcmdoes any one know how to resize the "start menu" in kde4?17:38
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nosrednaekimNielsE: it might be better to just use the kde3 kdm17:38
wastedfluidhm;  kopete doesn't blink anymore, either.17:38
wastedfluidI guess time is going to fix this.17:39
stdintcm: you can't afaik (not yet anyway)17:39
thewhitepelicanis there any way to use the "old" menu from the K buton?17:39
dani_lstdin: i'm not removing anything. i just try to install kde4-core (by following the steps on kubuntu.org)17:39
kubunturec53: So, tell me, how can i |@·~ kill gnome now?, i mean, uninstall it completely17:39
wesleyyou can install kde4 meta pack to17:39
stdinthewhitepelican: there is another launcher available yes, add it to the panned17:39
nosrednaekim!purekde17:39
ubotupurekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »17:39
firecrotchthewhitepelican:  there's a widget for the old style menu, just drag it to the panel from the Add Widget window17:39
stdindani_l: it says nothing about removing packages17:40
geniistdin: Seems like a familiar problem already17:40
blubbanyone got kdm theme manager to work in kubuntu? I can choose my installed theme, but kde won't change it. Maybe that theme manager changes another kdmrc... because that from /etc does not get changed by it :(17:40
stdinsome people like the new, others like the old :)17:40
wesleyset backports on17:40
Araneli installed linux-source package, but how can I find linux source ?17:41
geniiAranel: /usr/src17:41
stdinAranel: it's in /usr/src17:41
dani_lstdin: ?17:41
Dr_willisuse the package maanger to see what files it installed where.17:41
Aranelstdin: thanks for kde4 information in kubuntu.org, its very useful :)17:41
stdin!kernel | Aranel17:41
ubotuAranel: The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages17:41
Aranelstdin: genii: thanks :)17:41
stdindani_l: no need to remove anything, just update17:41
kubuntuAnd that means that if i unisntall Gnome my system will be like if i had installed Kubuntu cleanly?17:42
kubuntuI mean, in theory17:42
stdinas long as you have "kubuntu-desktop" installed, yeah17:42
ssshi guys.. is kubuntu-kde4.0-i386.iso a full installer? I mean if I want to go past the livecd stage and actually install? (assume I have a blank disk)17:43
thewhitepelicanI seem to be having trouble docking the old style launcher into the panel17:43
stdinsss: yeah, it should install fully, although kde4 isn't quite ready to be the only install yet17:44
kubuntustdin: Fantastic! So the next time i'll upgrade the system it will not reinstall Gnome or dowload more or any other thing right? It will only upgrade the system and that's all? And talking about is there anyway to do the upgrade with a DVD/CD of Kubuntu?17:44
sssstdin: ahh... so the apt-get method u put in the wiki page is the recommended. I see...17:44
stdinthewhitepelican: you click and drag the widget in the chooser to the panel17:44
thewhitepelicanah17:45
thewhitepelicanI was confused17:45
Dekanshello all17:45
thewhitepelicanit is after all a learning curve :)17:45
DreadKnightstdin: i see people stumble upon the issues and keep asking and asking, I suggest a "daily faq" wiki page17:45
firecrotchkubuntu:  You can use the Alternate CD to do an upgrade17:45
stdinkubuntu: you can upgrade with the alternate cd, but you'll still have to downloaded so it won't save much bandwidth :)17:45
stdinDreadKnight: it's a wiki, so go edit it ;)17:45
Dr_willisthen theres the updates you download.17:45
DreadKnightstdin: the kubuntu wiki?17:46
stdinthere's also #kde for KDE4 and KDE3 support17:46
thewhitepelicanI must be doing something wrong17:46
stdinDreadKnight: wiki.kubuntu.org is the same as wiki.ubuntu.org, you do need a launchpad account though17:47
thewhitepelicanI can't seem to drag the icon from the widget chooser to the panel where the k button is17:47
stdins/ubuntu.org/ubuntu.com/17:47
stdinthewhitepelican: no, just drag it anywhere on the panel17:47
DreadKnightstdin: oh i see :)17:47
thewhitepelicanit seems to go behind the panel17:48
thewhitepelicanI drag it down ot where the open apps are17:48
thewhitepelicanand it disappears behind the taskbar17:48
kubuntustdin: Hey, it will make all the difference, i have a friend with wire-connection (That means up to 150 kb/s at night and the half in day) so he can dowload it and give it to me. So, supposing i decide to do it with a alternate CD, when it finish it will not cause any proble (assuming i do the upgrade correctly) right?17:48
stdinheh, that's a little odd17:48
tcmwhat are you guys trying to do_17:49
tcm?17:49
tcmwith the panel17:49
stdinkubuntu: you just put the alternate cd in and do "sudo apt-cdrom add" then follow the normal upgrade procedure (no need to boot into the cd, just insert it)17:49
kawpeeka1kubuntu: Do you have a mobile computer?17:50
kawpeeka1kubuntu: You could ask him to setup an apt cache and then you could pull packages directly from him.17:50
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sd132ho do i verify which version of kde i am running?17:53
kubuntukawpeeka: No, i have a desktop one17:53
dani_lstdin: i just tried to apt-get upgrade but it didn't help. i also don't understand what you mean with "removing anything", i just added the repo, tried to install the package and got the error17:53
stdindani_l: you posted you did "darkwizzard@DarkNet:~$ sudo apt-get remove kdelibs5 kde4base-data kde4libs-data", don't17:53
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tcmis it possible to add something to the panel?17:53
stdinor that wan't you?17:53
stdintcm: some things can, some can't17:54
tcmhow do I add something?17:54
stdindani_l: post your pastebin link again, hard to tell with ~50 tabs open17:54
dani_lstdin: no, i was http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51558/ ;)17:54
stdintcm: click + drag from the widget chooser17:54
dani_lstdin: hehe, no problem ;)17:54
tcmok, thx17:55
stdindani_l: post what "apt-cache policy kdebase-kde4" shows to pastebin17:55
WaYhi17:56
galathalionhi17:56
WaYwhat application do you use for listening to music? (apart from amarok)17:56
nosrednaekimWaY: try Juk17:56
stdinnothing beats amarok17:56
gsuvegme dont work the konsole on kde4 :(17:56
dani_lstdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51561/17:56
stdinit's either amarok or mplayer for me17:56
nosrednaekim+10^56 stdin17:57
kubuntuSo it'll not make any difference install it with an alternate cd? Because that will be great!17:57
WaYxD17:57
stdindani_l: hmm, ok try just installing kdebase-kde4, see what errors it gives17:57
slow-motionhi17:57
sd132wasnt  kde 4 released today?17:57
stdinkubuntu: no, it'll just use the alternate cd as a local apt repository17:58
nosrednaekimsd132: yup!17:58
stdinsd132: see the topic17:58
martijn81sd132:  yup,  see kubuntu.org17:58
martijn81or tweakers.net for the Dutch users17:58
dani_lstdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51562/17:58
sd132i updated but i m still at 3.5.817:58
martijn81sd132: $ konqueror -v17:58
stdinsd132: see the topic <<17:58
martijn81or help> about17:58
kubuntustdin: Fantastic! that's great, thanks!17:58
stdindani_l: ok, try installing kdebase-bin-kde4 now17:59
martijn81stdin: do you know how to fix this? http://ktorrent.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12090#1209017:59
Qrawlcan I ask a Kubuntu-specific KDE4 question here17:59
stdinyou won't know unless you as ;)18:00
nosrednaekimQrawl: sure18:00
sd132!ask18:00
ubotuPlease don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)18:00
Qrawlis Amarok working for anyone?18:00
nosrednaekimQrawl: amarok 2?18:00
Qrawlin KDE418:00
Qrawlno18:00
kubuntuSo, when i finished removing GSUC.. i mean GNOME packages, how can i install compiz?18:00
nosrednaekimQrawl: then yes, amarok 1.4.7 works here18:00
stdinmartijn81: have you installed the -dev packages?18:00
nosrednaekim!compiz | kubuntu18:01
ubotukubuntu: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion18:01
Qrawlnosrednaekim, in KDE4?18:01
dani_lstdin: also did "sudo apt-get install kdebase-data-kde4" after that: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51563/18:01
martijn81stdin: do you know how to fix this? http://ktorrent.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12090#12090/18:01
martijn81oops18:01
martijn81sorry18:01
martijn81the dev packages of what?18:01
Qrawlis Amarok working for anyone in a full KDE4 session?18:01
stdinmartijn81: of kde418:02
martijn81stdin: nope18:02
martijn81should i?18:02
kubuntuok ubotu, that's great.18:02
stdinmartijn81: well, you'll need them to compile kde4 apps18:02
sd132I updated this morning, and am still at kde 3.5.8, whats wrong???:/18:02
nosrednaekim!kde4 | sd13218:02
ubotusd132: KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/18:02
stdindani_l: ok, try installing "kde4-core" again now18:02
nosrednaekimsd132: they install side-by-side18:02
BluesKajubotu is the resident bot/script18:03
martijn81stdin: how is that package called? kde4-libs-dev?18:03
Qrawlis Amarok working for anyone in a full KDE4 session?18:03
nosrednaekimQrawl: yes18:03
Qrawlwtf18:03
sd132nosrednaekim: so how do i get 4.0 to run?18:03
dani_lstdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51564/18:03
stdinmartijn81: grabbing kde4-devel should pull everything18:03
nosrednaekimsd132: read the above link18:03
nosrednaekimhttp://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/18:03
QrawlLog out and select KDE418:03
sd132nosrednaekim: ok thanks18:04
nosrednaekimQrawl: whats wrong with it?18:04
WaYthanks nosrednaekim for juk18:04
stdin*NOTICE: If you're trying to install KDE 4.0.0 but are getting errors like "Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed" then you need to temporarily disable the gutsy-backports repository or just wait until all the packages have made it into gutsy-backports*18:04
stdinthat goes to you dani_l :)18:04
Qrawlnosrednaekim, it wont even load    http://pastebin.org/1494418:04
dani_lstdin: thx :)18:05
kubuntuIn system settings >> window behavior >> window behavior there's an option wich says "Translucensy" then "Enable transulcensy", but when i make that, it doesn't do nothing or it's just i have to restart for note the changes?18:05
* BluesKaj waits for kde4 to work, period. :)18:05
martijn81stdin: lemme check, loading in three minutes....18:05
nosrednaekimkubuntu: you have to restart kde18:06
nosrednaekimQrawl: ask in #amarok18:06
Qrawlnosrednaekim, ok tf18:07
Qrawlnosrednaekim, ok ty18:07
ciccioricciocan you give an url to download kde4 ? Form link of kde.org is busy too18:08
graphikeyehello all18:08
graphikeyei have a quick question, i've googled this all over18:08
graphikeyeI'm downoading kde 4.0 and i was wondering if it's necessary to remove 3.5 before installing?18:08
lextulit isnt18:09
firecrotchgraphikeye:  Are you installing it from the repositories?18:09
claydohciccioriccio: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php18:09
graphikeyeyea18:09
ciccioriccioyou can use both18:09
graphikeyeit's downloading right now18:09
stdinciccioriccio: you could have just looked at the topic...18:09
ciccioricciotks, now i'm probe it18:10
graphikeyeawesome18:10
graphikeyecoz i have no clue how to remove 3.5...18:10
sd132nosrednaekim: how do i start kde 4 after the upgrade?18:10
ciccioriccioit's the same that i've just using18:10
claydohgraphikeye: you prob don't want to yet18:10
stdingraphikeye: no, it'll install along side kde318:10
graphikeyeaaaah18:11
graphikeyeok18:11
nosrednaekimsd132: log out, and select kde4 as the session18:11
graphikeyeeventually, i might want to remove 3.5, right?18:11
sd132nosrednaekim: it just has kde as a selection and not kde 418:11
nosrednaekimsd132: you installed kde4-core?18:12
ciccioriccioto download from irc or ftp servers? Can anyone give me an address?18:12
claydohgraphikeye: yes, but right now not all the kde3 apps are ported over18:12
XBehavehow do i run a command as soon as kde logs in?18:12
sd132nosrednaekim: isnt that included in the update?18:12
stdin!autostart | XBehave18:12
graphikeyeok. that makes sense. thanks18:12
ubotuXBehave: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.18:12
decemberHow long before kde 4 upgrade will be available?18:12
corentinHi everyone18:13
nosrednaekimsd132: no.... you need to add a repository and get some new packages18:13
stdindecember: see the topic........18:13
firecrotchdecember:  I'd imagine it will be QUITE a long time18:13
ciccioricciosee you later18:13
ciccioricciobye18:13
claydohciccioriccio: http://www.kde.org/mirrors/18:13
sd132nosrednaekim: which ones?18:13
XBehavethx i tried putting a script in there but it just gets opened as a text file18:13
corentinI have read that the KDE 4.0 realesed! I would like to know how can I update my version?18:13
stdincorentin: see the topic........18:13
Picicorentin: /topic18:13
nosrednaekimcorentin: they install side-by-side18:14
stdinpeople *please* read the topic, it's not there just for fun!18:14
firecrotchWhy do people not read the topic?18:14
corentinI didn't know, sorry :$18:14
ciccioriccioi'm tryed but the connection lost every 2 minutes18:14
stdinit display as soon as you join, 1st thing18:14
claydohciccioriccio: for any of the mirrors listed?18:15
claydohthere are quite a few18:15
ciccioriccioi'm looking your link ....18:15
graphikeyeim @ a coffee shop, downloading kde4 and feeling giddy18:17
claydohciccioriccio: I am assuming you are looking foe the sources, as you were looking at kde.org?18:17
nosrednaekim:)18:17
ciccioriccioclaydoh: yes18:17
sd132nosrednaekim: do i want to follow the instructions on the announcement page?18:18
claydohit will be a trial and error thing, finding mirrors, often in far flung places :)18:18
nosrednaekimsd132: yes18:18
sd132ok18:18
_Angelus_somebody knows why my konqueror and opera not viewing flash on websites? only firefox can see them , im using kubuntu gutsy. help! :(18:18
nosrednaekimsd132: the kubuntu anouncement page at least18:18
ciccioriccioclaydoh: now download start at ftp mirror but at 15kbps !!!!!!!18:18
claydoh_Angelus_: the newst flash does not work in konqueror18:19
graphikeyeok, my install is complete18:19
graphikeyegotta go try it out18:19
sd132nosrednaekim: the five steps beginning with( remove  previous kde 4 packages)18:19
adk /part18:19
nosrednaekimsd132: if you had none, then don't worry about it18:19
sd132nosrednaekim: ok18:19
_Angelus_claydoh: is there a way to fix this? :S18:20
* claydoh looks for the link..18:20
claydohyou have to find and install the previous version's file...18:20
QrawlAdept doesnt like my password in KDE418:20
DreadKnightQrawl: same here, use konsole with "kdesudo adept_manager"18:21
stdinQrawl: you have to start it manually, with kdesudo adept_manager18:21
ciccioriccioi'm search in the NET an avaiable faster site18:21
ciccioricciobye18:21
Qrawlok ty18:21
ciccioricciotks18:21
nosrednaekimwe need to fix that BTW...18:22
nosrednaekimsymbolic link kdesu4 to kdesudo18:22
graphikeyeback18:22
graphikeyeon kde4 now18:22
graphikeyeits awesome18:22
mdrCan someone help me figure out why a java applet (pokerroom.com) loads in firefox but fails to do so in konqueror?18:23
spiritzJust installed Kubuntu's KDE4 however I can't find the train clock plasmoid... Other distro seem to have it, am I missing something?18:23
nosrednaekimspiritz: its probably in extragear-plasma18:23
spiritznosrednaekim: I though I installed that one18:23
spiritznosrednaekim: do you have the train clock ?18:23
omicronhi there. just installed kde4-core. dolphin-kde4 cannot be started. I get the following error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51566/18:24
spiritznosrednaekim: I just checked the file content of the package, it's not inside :(18:24
nerdsquad3210kunbuntu page is down !18:24
mdrKDE 4 is out?18:24
spiritzmdr : indeed18:24
mdrwow, that will change the world :)18:25
Qrawlwhats the command to apply updates after fetching the lists with  sudo apt-get update18:25
claydoh_Angelus_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=63117818:25
spiritzomicron: did u install the kde4-core18:25
DreadKnightQrawl: sudo apt-get upgrade18:25
corentinRe, does anyone can help me to put the song of my computer on?18:25
Qrawlty18:25
claydohyou basically have to download a package with *all* versions of the flash player and install the previous version from it18:26
corentinBecause I don't find the way to do this!18:26
nerdsquad3210kubuntu forum also seems to be down18:26
omicronspiritz: yes i did install kde4-core. At the moment I am running a kde4 session..18:26
martijn81stdin: it seems to have worked! :D18:26
spiritzomicron: no clue then, sorry18:26
stdingood :)18:26
nerdsquad3210are you running it in vmware ?18:27
spiritzcorentin: was it working before?18:27
martijn81but now i do need to start the kde4 version,  and that another question18:27
claydohnerdsquad3210: it just opened for me there, probably getting a few extra hits :)18:27
corentinNever! Ubuntu does not work either :§18:27
draik_!printer18:27
ubotuPrinting in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows18:27
MurielGodoiAnyone knows if Is in the plans wkin do compiz visual effects like cube and wobby windows?18:27
DreadKnightkubuntu will beat macosx to death, not to talk about vista anymore, facts are facts, it's gonna be HUGE!18:28
stdinMurielGodoi: #kde-devel is the place to ask about kde development18:28
spiritzcorentin: If I were you I would look on ubuntu's forum for a similar problem with the same hardware that you have -- are you using a laptop?18:28
nosrednaekimMurielGodoi: if someone writes the plugin, it sure is :)18:28
MurielGodoinosrednaekim: nice :)18:29
GideanHello everyone..18:29
omicronanyone with kde4 on a macbook? kde4 runs, but I cannot get the alt-tab and desktop-grid working. Other visual effects are fine.18:29
corentinYes, I already read a tuto on the ubuntu's forum, I have already applicated it (on Ubuntu) and nothing change :(18:29
nerdsquad3210cant open kubuntu page :(18:29
corentin(It's strange because it was exactly the same probleme with the same kind of computer :(18:29
nerdsquad3210bummer18:29
stdinwhich page?18:29
martijn81stdin: my task manager seems to not load properly anymore :( (seems to lock itself somewhere small in the top-left on the desktop )  Do you happen to know which config file i need to dish for this?18:30
spiritzcorentin: out of curiosity, what's ur hardware?18:30
nerdsquad3210http://kubuntu.org/18:30
stdinnerdsquad3210: working for me18:30
nerdsquad3210its not working for me18:30
jpatricknerdsquad3210: same here18:30
josh__My audigy can't play two sounds at once. Can anyone help me with this?18:30
stdinmartijn81: kde4 or 3?18:30
josh__audigy se18:30
GideanI have to linux boxes connected to a linksys router.  I want to be able to contol one with the other and disconect the monitor.  Can someone point me in the direction of a good HOWTO, please.18:31
martijn81stdin: kde418:31
stdin!ssh | Gidean18:31
ubotuGidean: SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/18:31
corentinHP Pavilin dv9000 = "Laptop dual core"18:31
spiritzcorentin: that's a pretty popular piece of hardware, should be plenty of help18:31
nerdsquad3210http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/ is working fine18:32
corentinYes there are but not any result :( ....18:32
GideanThanks stdin!18:32
stdinmartijn81: easier to just mv ~/.kde4 out of the way and start again18:32
martijn81lol18:32
martijn81i'll try18:33
sd132nosrednaekim: installed  the repository but dont see kde 4 core in the package list18:33
nerdsquad3210is it worth it to get the new KDE4 ?18:33
nosrednaekimsd132: run "sudo apt-get update"18:33
nosrednaekimsd132: and the package name is kde4-core18:33
sd132nosrednaekim: ok thanks18:33
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graphikeyethere's a lot about kde4 i don't understand18:33
nerdsquad3210old KDE 3 applications  aren't supported ?18:33
stufecan anyone tell me how i update from console18:34
stufeget-apt update??18:34
nosrednaekimnerdsquad3210: yes, they are18:34
nosrednaekimstufe: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"18:34
sd132nosrednaekim:   i get a " Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)18:34
stdinstufe: apt-get updates updates the package list, apt-get upgrade  and  apt-get dist-upgrade  updates the packages18:34
stdin!apt18:34
ubotuAPT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)18:34
stdinsd132: close adept?18:35
sd132ok18:35
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martijn81stdin: you rock you know that?18:35
sd132sudo apt-get update18:35
sd132wrong line sorry18:35
stdinmartijn81: indeed, I do :p18:36
genii!helpersnack | stdin18:36
ubotustdin: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!18:36
nerdsquad3210still long until i can run KDE natively on windows ?18:36
draik_What is HPLIP?18:36
bazhanghaha18:36
Coxnosrednaekim, is that all to install KDE4 (Because, I tried to follow the step of the Topic, but did not work :(18:36
spiritzPushing F11 in Dolphin makes it crash, same with you guys?18:36
nosrednaekimCox: no..t hats for every day updates18:37
nerdsquad3210OMG its the F11 bug alover again :(18:37
CoxAh, sorry :$18:37
geniidraik_: Hewlett Packard device manager18:37
martijn81stdin: how do i find the kde4 version of ktorrent  now? i have installed both versions, but can only seem to find the kde3 version...18:37
Ch1ppyhey, I'm trying to install the kde4 packages, but when I remove kdelibs5 as instructed it tried to remove kubuntu-desktop along with everythign that entails - can anyone help me out?18:38
draik_genii: already installed with 7.10?18:38
spiritznerdsquad3210: I guess that's another flaw in Kubunbtu's kde4 pkg18:38
raton!fr raton18:39
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fr raton - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi18:39
stdinmartijn81: look where you built it18:39
DreadKnightCh1ppy: just make sure you don't lose adept...18:39
geniidraik_: Seems to be on my default install here18:39
nerdsquad3210im dtiking to the suse kde18:39
genii!info hplip18:39
ubotuhplip: HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP). In component main, is optional. Version 2.7.7.dfsg.1-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 283 kB, installed size 688 kB18:39
Ch1ppyDreadKnight: well, I'd rather keep kubuntu-desktop as well...18:39
stdin!fr | raton18:39
uboturaton: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.18:39
nerdsquad3210sticking *18:39
DreadKnightCh1ppy: you can reinstall if you have adept18:39
Ch1ppyDreadKnight: well yeah, but I'd really rather not have to reinstall18:40
nerdsquad3210any one detected any bugs in Suse kde 4 live cd ?18:40
Ch1ppyDreadKnight: that seems rather ...stupid, IMHO18:40
draik_genii: Thanks18:40
kristjan_nice work on kde4 packages compared to previous releases ...18:40
gmontenegroanyone uses KVpnc?18:40
DreadKnightCh1ppy: indeed18:40
Ch1ppyDreadKnight: but I'm supposed to do it anyways?18:40
nosrednaekim!devsnack | stdin18:41
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about devsnack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi18:41
spiritznerdsquad3210: yeah but ubuntu and its apt system is really more convenient than suse's one18:41
nosrednaekim!helpersnack | stdin18:41
DreadKnightCh1ppy: i just added the PPA repository and then "sudo apt-get install kde4"18:41
ubotustdin: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!18:41
DreadKnight!helpersnack | DreadKnight18:42
stdindon't use "kde4", it'll pull just about everything, use "kde4-core" for now18:42
geniistdin: We really could use a !devsnack , if only to bug you with LOL18:42
stdinheh18:43
stdinmake one and poke the -ops :p18:43
DreadKnightisn't dragon player default in kde4?18:43
spiritzDreadKnight: nope, it's still alpha or beta18:43
DreadKnightspiritz: no wonder i couldn't find it ^^ thanks18:44
DreadKnightwhat's your oppinion about juk and dragon player? ^^18:44
spiritzDreadKnight:  Mine? So far I prefered to stick with amarok and kaffeine18:45
DreadKnightspiritz: was asking the people; but i have the same preferences, maybe we'll get used to :| or not18:45
spiritzDreadKnight: I wish that now that libplasma is being installed on everyone's computer, maybe the amarok team will release some kind of alpha of amarok218:46
DreadKnightspiritz: that would be kool18:47
PensadorHello there18:47
Pensadorperhaps everyone asked this today18:47
AzzmodanI shall repeat my question in here: Is there a "kubuntu-desktop" like package for kde4?18:47
Pensadorwell, that18:47
kristjan_Azzmodan: read instructions at kubuntu.org18:48
PensadorFor me, Kubuntu.org is down18:48
nosrednaekimAzzmodan: nope.... but for all the absolute neccesities, use "kde4-core"18:48
DreadKnightAzzmodan: kde4 is the package, or use kde4-core18:48
omicronI am not able to start dolphin-kde4: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51566/ any clues?18:48
DreadKnightthe edu and games packages are neat anyway ^^18:48
spiritzAzzmodan: There's a small one : kde4-core. Though it doesn't install many things by default. I manually installed plenty of others by hand.18:49
MurielGodoiI just took the taskbar away in my kde4,  how can I put it back?18:49
graphikeyehey, how do i add a volume icon to the panel?18:49
AzzmodanJust installing kde4-core will just get me a base kde4 right? I was curious if there's was any work being done on a kde4 "ubuntu desktop enviroment"18:49
luca_bgraphikeye: the plasma component for the volume is not yet ready18:50
DreadKnightMurielGodoi: it's a known issue.. you need to delete something from .kde4, while you are on kde3... you can remove the entire folder let's say18:50
nosrednaekimMurielGodoi: right click on dekstop->add widgets->taskbar and drag to panel18:50
bazhangkde4 gnome? heh18:50
spiritzMurielGodoi: I would say restart plasma ? :) If that doesn't work, maybe kill the ~/.kde4/ -> Kind of the hard way, but that just happened  to me.18:50
graphikeyethanks18:50
luca_boh yeah, for all of you interested in knowing why Plasma is different18:50
vbgunzalmost everyday, I have to restart networking several times a day. anyone know what could be wrong or how to address it?18:50
spiritznosrednaekim: yours is cleaner :)18:50
luca_bhttp://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/FAQ18:50
DreadKnightgraphikeye: launch the new kmix from the multimedia panel.. check the settings ;)18:50
Azzmodan"restart networking" really doesn't say much18:50
luca_bthe above link is a small FAQ on common questions regarding plasma18:50
nosrednaekimspiritz: actually, erasing the .kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc works too18:50
DreadKnightspiritz: you don't have the panel?18:51
werner!plasma18:51
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about plasma - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi18:51
wernermh, whats plasma meant here?18:51
MurielGodoiDreadKnight: me.... i just remove that :(18:51
DreadKnightspiritz: erase that thing nosrednaekim said but when you are out the kde4 session... running kde3 for example18:51
bazhangpart of kde4 werner18:52
DreadKnight:D18:52
DreadKnightsorry, MurielGodoi, i wrote to spiritz heh18:52
PensadorIs it possible just to install KDE4 without preinstalling KDE3 first?18:52
luca_bPlasma is the component that draws desktop, taskbar, widgets18:52
DreadKnightPensador: yes18:52
wernerbazhang: thx! what part? oh well, i'll google ... :)18:52
luca_bwerner: there's a FAQ on the KDE visual guide and also plasma.kde.org for design goals18:52
DreadKnightMurielGodoi: erase that thing nosrednaekim said but when you are out the kde4 session... running kde3 for example18:52
bazhangwerner see luca_b's comment above18:52
BluesKajhmm, looks like kde4 is a dependency hell from my POV18:52
wernerluca_b: thx! :)18:52
PensadorDreadKnight: Thanks...18:52
luca_bbazhang: disclaimer: I'm the one who wrote that FAQ18:53
luca_balong with other contributors18:53
bazhangluca_b: nicely done! thanks!18:53
MurielGodoiDreadKnight, nosrednaekim, i will do that... thank18:53
luca_bbazhang: I have video tutorials also, but I'm waiting for the release frenzy to finish to make them18:53
DreadKnightMurielGodoi: for the record, you had a prerelease of kde4 right?18:54
Pensadorit seems there is no kde4-core package... at least that's what apt tells me18:54
wernerlooks nice18:54
Azzmodankde4base?18:54
DreadKnightMurielGodoi: because the same happened to me18:54
bazhangluca_b: where will they be available? or should I wait for the faq :}18:54
stdinPensador: update the package database18:54
spiritzPensador: Im sure there is18:54
stdinAzzmodan: do NOT install kde4base, it's a very very very old package18:54
Pensadorsudo apt-get update... And it gets stuck on the Security repos18:54
MurielGodoiDreadKnight: nop... I just installed it18:54
DreadKnightMurielGodoi: oh i see18:54
luca_bbazhang: I have them without audio at the moment, discussing on kde-promo for subtitles and a proper speaker18:55
Pensadorwell, today I'm very lucky. None of the Ubuntu related websites is opening in my browser as well18:55
bazhangluca_b: will keep an eye open; thanks again!18:55
ropikuHello, I installed kde4 from kubuntu repo (on the site) and I cannot use the desktop icons, clicking on them does nothing18:55
BluesKajI don't see a kde4 64 bit version available :(18:55
luca_bbazhang: I hope to get them released in two weeks18:55
nosrednaekimBluesKaj: is it18:55
nosrednaekim*it is18:55
BluesKajwhere?18:56
stothepizzlehi18:56
luca_bHow can one add more factoids to ubotu?18:56
DreadKnightman, the old kmix tray icon was scary xD18:56
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stothepizzlehow can i update to kde 4 in kubuntu?18:56
stdinBluesKaj: there are in the PPA and should be some in -backports by now18:56
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* stdin points stothepizzle to *Read* the topic this time18:56
luca_bstdin: Thanks for the packages, I'm installing them now18:56
DreadKnightstdin: yeah some are in the backport already, i guess soon we'll be able to get rid of the PPA?18:57
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stdinluca_b: to add a factoid just do "!foo is bar" where foo is the factoid and bar is the message18:57
luca_bstdin: right in the channel?18:57
stdinDreadKnight: the PPA was just so they'd be out in time18:57
stdinluca_b: that or just /msg ubotu18:57
DreadKnightstdin: roger :D18:57
luca_bstdin: Is it sensible to report packaging troubles now or should I wait a few?18:58
luca_bAs I think I found one but I want to know if it makes sense18:58
stdinpackaging issues you can report now, KDE bugs should go on bugs.k.o (when it's updated)18:58
flamesageYAY18:59
luca_bstdin: I?m checkiung if there's an error on python-kde418:59
flamesageSo has there been any major show stopers with KDE 4.0?18:59
stdinpython-kde4 is horrible, I know because I packaged it :p18:59
BluesKajbah, I'm just getting the broken pkgs , unmet dependency error messages for kde4-core install ...think I'll go push some snow and forget abou this for a while.18:59
luca_bstdin: It was the first I wanted to try, I love python :P18:59
flamesagestdin.. I thought you said there was going to be a Live-CD with JUST kde4..19:00
BluesKajBBL19:00
stdinBluesKaj: do you have the PPA repo?19:00
stdinflamesage: there is19:00
flamesagehow?19:00
stdinhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/ < there19:00
flamesageIf you want to test KDE 4 without installing packages download the live CD (554MB).19:00
flamesageThis one/19:00
FaiDillinGeryo que pasa all19:00
stdin!fr19:00
ubotuAllez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.19:00
Pici!es19:00
ubotuSi busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.19:00
BluesKajstdin, yes i do19:00
FaiDillinGeranyone knows how to get xen working on kubuntu ?19:00
stdinBluesKaj: have gutsy-backports too?19:01
stdin!xen19:01
ubotuXEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen19:01
flamesageWill I be able to install from this LiveCD?  I assume so.19:01
stdinyeah19:01
FaiDillinGerfine19:01
flamesageAn error occurred while loading http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/:19:01
flamesageCould not connect to host cdimage.ubuntu.com: Unknown error.19:01
flamesageCannot connect...19:01
flamesageWow, the site's under more traffic than I expected.19:01
affanhi all, i was trying to upgrade to KDE4.0 but the installation failed in between installing the packages and now i cant even open adept. Do you have any ideas?19:02
flamesageCan you give me a link to the bittorrent?19:02
DreadKnightaffan: restart19:02
wesleyhow can i install adept manager back i removed some kde3 apps and it seems it did take adept with it19:02
stdinflamesage: there isn't a torrent atm19:02
spiritzDreadKnight: Of course not19:02
BluesKajstdin, yes I have 2 backport repos19:02
flamesageoh, then could you link me to a mirror?19:02
stdin*NOTICE: If you're trying to install KDE 4.0.0 but are getting errors like "Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed" then you need to temporarily disable the gutsy-backports repository or just wait until all the packages have made it into gutsy-backports*19:02
stdinto BluesKaj ^19:02
flamesageI can't access http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/19:02
luca_bstdin: I've sent a request for ubotu for plasma, I hope it'll save more headaches in teh future19:02
affanDreadKnight: i restarted X by logging out and re-logging in19:02
spiritzaffan: I would not restart, if you broke everything maybe you're lucky your program are still running but may not after rebooting19:02
stdinflamesage: try later19:02
BluesKajok gotcha stdin ...will comment them out for now , thx :)19:03
flamesageoh dang, theres no 64bit...19:03
stdinluca_b: if you feel it needs explaining at all, feel free to join #ubuntu-ops19:03
DreadKnightaffan: well, had the same issue today... and i REALLY hat to restart :|19:03
flamesageOh well, I'll live.19:03
spiritzaffan: try upgrading to kde with apt-get from a konsole19:03
wesley!adept install19:03
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about adept install - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi19:03
stdinwesley: you removed adept?19:03
affanspiritz, DreadKnight: let me restart anyways...19:04
spiritzaffan: as u wish19:04
stdinwesley: re-install "kubuntu-desktop"19:04
DreadKnighti had removed adept a couple of times in a day by accident xD19:04
kev__anyone running KDE4 yet?  I need help on getting rid of the black menu bar, anyone know how?19:04
flamesageThank you stdin for all of the work you did.19:04
wesleycan i not only install adept?19:05
flamesageYou know how crazy I was last night, and I apologize.  :P19:05
DreadKnightkev__: some people need to get it back, you want to get rid of it xD19:05
flamesagePeople, I'll be installed KDE4.0 in a few minutes, I'll be able to give you guys a report then.19:05
stdinwesley: you can, but it's best to install kubuntu-desktop19:05
kev__haha, yeah, odd eh? ;)19:05
DreadKnightkev__: no customisation gui for it right now...19:05
wesleybut then i get all those kde3 apps what i removed back again19:05
flamesageIt's beautiful the way it is :P19:05
spiritzkdev__ : are you referring to the black line on the top & bottom of windows?19:05
gpohi all19:06
luca_bkev__: do you mean the taskbar?19:06
gpokde4 isn't working for me19:06
flamesageHow do I start a torrent of this?19:06
DreadKnightpanel19:06
kev__spiritz - no, the menu bar thing at the bottom of the screen19:06
luca_bkev__: it's a SVG, but the UI for configuring is not yet present19:06
stdinwesley: you'll need kde3 apps, most stuff isn't ported to kde4 yet19:06
gpowhen i launch the session in kdm, it is loading then X restart19:06
gpocan anyone help me ?19:06
nosrednaekimgpo: did you have a version previously loaded?19:06
DreadKnightflamesage: create a torrent file with ktorrent, then go to a tracker website and upload/submit... :)19:06
gpokde319:06
kev__I've moved all the applets onto the desktop, but I can't get rid of the damned menu bar that takes up 1/4 of my screen!19:07
luca_bkev__: Kickoff?19:07
flamesagestdin, should I send you the torrent file?19:07
wesleyyeah i only removed the double ones19:07
flamesageSo you could post it on the site?19:07
spiritzkdev__ : =)19:07
luca_bkev__: namely the new menu19:07
kev__dunno19:07
gponosrednaekim : kde3, i uninstalled previous kde4 packages19:07
kev__yeah, it's big and black :D19:07
luca_bkev__: can you make a screenshot?19:07
stdinflamesage: no, we only have official torrents on the server19:07
DreadKnightflamesage: well, isohunt.com is one... mininova.org   etc19:07
kev__sure, hang on a sec.....19:08
nosrednaekimkev__: did you delete your .kde4?19:08
flamesageoh ok.19:08
gpoare there some logs for when kde4 loads ?19:08
luca_bstdin:  a question about packages19:08
flamesageI'll just wait for the offical torrent to start seeding.19:08
kev__ok, have screenie, anyone want a copy?19:08
luca_bstdin: do they set KDEHOME to .kde4 by themselves?19:08
flamesage(I'm trying to download the iso now from the site)19:08
luca_bkev__: I'd like to see it so I know what you mean19:08
nosrednaekimluca_b: no.. thats the default19:09
ubuntu__hello19:09
sMonkHello19:09
nosrednaekimgpo: possibly in .xession-errors19:09
luca_bnosrednaekim: I mean for co-existence19:09
gpook thanks19:09
ubuntu__zhqt is the pqszord for the live CD M19:09
DreadKnightflamesage: is there already an iso? i've heard the oposite19:09
kev__grr, now I can't send files :(19:09
stdinluca_b: we actually patched kde4libs to hard-code ~/.kde4, but the wrapper scripts and startkde script set it anyway19:09
ubuntu__Ho I need to chnqge ;y keybord19:09
luca_bstdin: all right, seems a sensible choice for now19:10
flamesageLast time I tried Desktop Effects, KDE4 went psycho and I no longer had a panel, does this still happen?19:10
stdinubuntu__: system settings > regional & language19:10
nosrednaekimflamesage: try it:)19:10
flamesageThe iso is availible for download here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/19:10
DreadKnightflamesage: everything fine here :)19:10
stdinflamesage: not for me, but then I use XRender not OpenGL, and it works fine for me on my intel chip19:10
flamesagegah the stupid thing stalled on me :(19:11
flamesageLet me try downloading from a desktop instead of a laptop :P19:11
ubuntu__what is the password for the liveCD19:11
ubuntu__?19:11
luca_bstdin: is kregexpeditor present in the new sets of packages or will it be removed? (as it's unmantained)19:11
ubuntu__Now it is better19:11
flamesageDoes anyone know if you can burn lightscribe CDs on a regular CD burner?19:11
DreadKnightflamesage: if you can't access the sites it's because they are being assaulted xD19:11
flamesagewithout them screwing up or anything?19:11
flamesageCan you use them as regular CD-Rs?19:11
nosrednaekimflamesage: yeah.. you can19:12
flamesageok thanks.19:12
stdinluca_b: kregexpeditor-kde4 was released with kde 4.0.0 in kdeutils-kde4, that's why we have it19:12
luca_bstdin: I see, probably it was moved away after tagging19:12
luca_bstdin: I hope I don't sound offensive, I appreciate the work, I'm merely curious19:13
stdinluca_b: if it was after tagging, then there's nothing we can do really19:13
spiritzstdin: do you have any clue why kubuntu's package never including some plasmoid, for instance the train-station-style clock?19:13
luca_bstdin: another question (sorry :P) did you apply the systray patch to prevent GTK+ apps from crashing?19:13
hydrogenspiritz: because they are in playground19:13
stdinluca_b: I don't think it's fare to have to update all kdeutils-kde4 packages and have everyone re-download just to remove one app19:13
spiritzhydrogen: ok, playground means "good for testing purpose"?19:14
stdinspiritz: we packaged what kde released, if it wasn't in the release then there can be no package19:14
stdinluca_b: hmm, was it applied upstream?19:15
hydrogenspiritz: playground means "still highly in development and not at all release quality"19:15
luca_bstdin: In 4.0 branch but I have a link to the bug entry where there's a patch for 4.0.0 if you want19:15
spiritzstdin, hydrogen : ok I got it, thanks19:15
luca_botherwise GTK+ apps with system tray icons will crash due to a bug in GTK+19:16
Chris12349anyone know if there kontact works with the recently released kde 4?19:16
luca_bChris12349: kdepim is not released with 4.019:16
luca_bnot yet ready19:16
stdinluca_b: if you can report a bug on launchpad with the link that'll be great, against kdebase-workspace-bin19:16
hydrogenkontact from kde3 does work with kde419:16
luca_bstdin: on my way right now!19:16
Chris12349thanks guys19:16
Chris12349does kdepim include kopete as well?19:17
stdinno, kdenetwork19:17
samir85Hey guys. Can somebody tell me how to activate the kwin effect in kde4?19:18
sMonkstdin: Earlier, you said to just install kde4-core.. then install the kde4?19:18
spiritzstdin: do u know what's the level of customisation (besides file location) that a distro applies to such release project?19:18
stdinsMonk: if you want, but that grabs just about everything19:18
vershow do i send files to my virtualbox?19:18
stdinspiritz: with 4.0.0, just about nothing at all19:18
nosrednaekimvers: through shared folders19:19
spiritzvers: "network share" - read the manual19:19
versthanx19:19
stdinsMonk: it's in system settings -> desktop19:19