[00:00] <stdin> flithm: well I'm going to update the package anyway, just to make sure
[00:00] <sMonk> segfault2k: One time I went so far as to taking a computer I bought from a store and when I was trying Gentoo I got a bad error, so i took my Windows disk that came with the machine and shot it with my shotgun.. lol Then I discovered Kubuntu
[00:00] <segfault2k> what can i do :(
[00:00] <sMonk> flithm: Take one small install... one small hope for Nerd kind
[00:00] <flithm> sMonk: :)
[00:01] <sMonk> :)
[00:01] <segfault2k> ajajJAa lol!!!
[00:01] <Zombocom> how do I fix the fact that control+alt+f1 shows me a blinking cursor
[00:01] <sMonk> Try control+ alt + f2
[00:02] <sMonk> :)
[00:02] <segfault2k> damn i can run every kde4 app from kde 3.5.8 but when i want to run kde4 from kdm, it just restart x server stdin u know what can i do? (sorry my english)
[00:02] <segfault2k> xD
[00:02] <sMonk> Zombocom: what is it your trying to do?
[00:03] <stdin> segfault2k: can you post the 1st 10 lines of /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde to pastebin and /var/log/Xorg.1.log if you have it
[00:03] <segfault2k> ok! :D
[00:04] <segfault2k> stdin: http://stdin.pastebin.com/m7ff0b965 <-- startkde*
[00:04] <stdin> you're using my pastebin huh? :p
[00:05] <segfault2k> yup! XD
[00:05] <shadowhywind> hay all this is a strange question whenever i type a space or tab in most windows i get a comma looking mark, any ideas on how to get rid of them?
[00:05] <stdin> segfault2k: ok that looks fine, what about the Xorg.1.log?
[00:05] <segfault2k> its big file XD
[00:05] <sMonk> shadowhywind: explain "most windows"
[00:05] <shadowhywind> like in kate, kedit, openoffice
[00:06] <shadowhywind> i can post a screen shot if it helps
[00:06] <TheWhiteRook> aren't those comma-type marks kinda like hidden characters?
[00:06] <segfault2k> stdin: but Xorg.1.log changes everytime that i start a new X session?
[00:07] <hagabaka> how do I configure the ntp daemon to synchronize the computer clock?
[00:07] <shadowhywind> probley but not so hidden for me, hehe
[00:07] <stdin> segfault2k: yeah, it's the log for display :1
[00:07] <TheWhiteRook> shadowhywind: I get them too.
[00:07] <TheWhiteRook> I just ignore them...
[00:07] <segfault2k> then i'll never get a "working" Xorg.1.log
[00:07] <shadowhywind> so do i , they don't really bother me so much, but it would be nice to not see them
[00:07] <segfault2k> because when i start a new kde4 session, x server, restart
[00:07] <segfault2k> xD
[00:08] <stdin> segfault2k: it may show me what's happening
[00:08] <segfault2k> i know, but emm lemme think, i can startx and the ouput ove to a file?¿
[00:08] <flithm> stdin: when I try to install the kde4 package is says "depends: kdepim-kde4 but it is not going to be installed"
[00:09] <segfault2k> like startx 2> xorgkde4.log
[00:09] <segfault2k> ?
[00:09] <stdin> segfault2k: that'll start kde3, I need to see the kde4 one
[00:09] <sMonk> shadowhywind: Ok to fix this in Kate goto Settings - configure kate - editing: There un-check "show tabulators"
[00:10] <sMonk> TheWhiteRook: I guess this is for you too
[00:10] <segfault2k> but i have in .xinitrc = exec /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde
[00:10] <TheWhiteRook> thanx, sMonk
[00:10] <stdin> segfault2k: try it then
[00:10] <shadowhywind> OMG! that works!
[00:10] <shadowhywind> thanks sMonk
[00:10] <sMonk> You will find similar options on the rest of your word editors
[00:10] <flithm> stdin: also many of the kde4 packages say version 3.93,, is that right?
[00:10] <segfault2k> ok, that will freeze my session, but i'll reboot and send the log ok? stdin
[00:10] <flithm> err 3.94 rather
[00:11] <stdin> segfault2k: ok
[00:11] <sMonk> Np guys
[00:11] <segfault2k> danke
[00:11] <sMonk> glad I can help
[00:11] <stdin> flithm: like I said, I'm updating it :)
[00:12] <flithm> stdin: gotcha no worries, what about the version on some of the kde packages... 3.94 okay?
[00:12] <stdin> flithm: not really, no, that's why I'm updating it
[00:12] <flithm> hahah okay
[00:13] <sMonk> LoL, the life of a test rat... lol
[00:13] <wesley> when would the stable kde4 realesed?
[00:14] <sMonk> 4.8 lol
[00:14] <stdin> 4.1 should be the "stable for all" release
[00:14] <TheWhiteRook> hahahha
[00:14] <flithm> heh
[00:14] <biovore> when it ready...
[00:14] <TheWhiteRook> any idea when that might be?
[00:14] <sMonk> ;)
[00:14] <wesley> there was a date was there?
[00:14] <sMonk> They were "talking" April.. I believe... right stdin?
[00:15] <wesley> but the first stable kde 4.0 would be in jan ?
[00:15] <sMonk> If you look on KDE.org and fish around for the "release log"
[00:16] <TheWhiteRook> first "stable" release is tomorrow.
[00:16] <sMonk> I believe that the "4.1 stable release" is hoped for April..
[00:16] <flithm> TheWhiteRook: today actually for 4.1 :)
[00:16] <sMonk> that or it's Hardy.. I can't remember all the numbers
[00:16] <flithm> TheWhiteRook: I meant 4.0
[00:16] <TheWhiteRook> but the first non-beta-alpha-or-rc is tomorrow
[00:16] <flithm> today
[00:16] <stdin> sMonk: something around there
[00:16] <TheWhiteRook> tomorrow for me, at least :P
[00:16] <flithm> TheWhiteRook: oh right... time zones :)
[00:17] <TheWhiteRook> yup
[00:17] <TheWhiteRook> that great Canadian invention...
[00:17] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Been editing a wiki page  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/fusesmb   THEN i reaize after i got it done. it needs to be https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb to have a wiki-ish title.. :) is this imporntant?  or trivial? im not sure how to move the file over other then to make a new wiki page. cut/paste,, then just edit the old and delete everything.
[00:17] <sMonk> When i wrote code (yrs ago) stuff got done when I was done my college work, dringing beer, and watching "taseful" movies..
[00:18] <flithm> I don't think I can be bothered clicking all these packages to install... I'll wait for the meta package :)
[00:18] <wesley> so today kde 4.0 will be released?
[00:18] <flithm> wesley: yeah you can actually install it right now if you want
[00:18] <sMonk> wesley: correct..
[00:18] <TheWhiteRook> but it'll be buggy.
[00:18] <flithm> right
[00:18] <TheWhiteRook> crawling with insects. :P
[00:18] <Tm_T> TheWhiteRook: buggy?
[00:19] <wesley> how can i install it than?
[00:19] <sMonk> but if you want to wait a little longer, stdin is working on a "one shot distro install".. am I right so far stdin?
[00:19] <TheWhiteRook> mm I've heard that KDE4 will be buggy for Kubuntu
[00:19] <flithm> wesley: instructions are the exact same as the rc2 page: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[00:19] <flithm> TheWhiteRook: I doubt it's distro specific
[00:19] <Tm_T> TheWhiteRook: heard, right ;)
[00:20] <wesley> i can use both kde3 and 4
[00:20] <sMonk> flithm: Ya never know.. it's a risk we're all glad to take tho
[00:20] <TheWhiteRook> I tried RC2 a couple days ago, and it was working terribly.
[00:20] <flithm> wesley: yep
[00:21] <segfault_> stdin:
[00:21] <wesley> but what with that one shot distro install ?
[00:21] <stdin> sMonk: yeah, I'm working on the "kde4" meta-package, it'll also have kde4-amusements kde4-core and kde4-devel meta-packages
[00:21] <sMonk> I was trying out the LiveCD.. it wouldn't even let me change the resolution.. lol
[00:21] <flithm> TheWhiteRook: doesn't mean 4.0 is gonna be the same.  I actually know someone personally who compiled it from source yesterday, and he said he used it for an entire day without any bugs, issues, or crashes
[00:21] <sMonk> stdin: You one busy guy
[00:21] <segfault_> stdin: http://stdin.pastebin.com/m7eba0acc
[00:21] <sMonk> or girl.. sorry
[00:21] <stdin> sMonk: nothing new there (and I'm a guy yes :p )
[00:22] <sMonk> lol.. *whew*
[00:22] <TheWhiteRook> flithm: I hope you're right...
[00:22] <sMonk> stdin: made that mistake ONCE... wont do it again... (worst date ever.. LOL)
[00:22] <flithm> TheWhiteRook: well, personally I'm not holding my breath... I expect some issues, but we'll see I guess
[00:22] <TheWhiteRook> yes.
[00:23] <wesley> stdin the kde4 packs are they updated?
[00:23] <TheWhiteRook> hopefully we'll see something good... :P
[00:23] <stdin> segfault_: try "startx :1" instead of just "startx"
[00:23] <stdin> wesley: very they are indeed
[00:23] <segfault_> stdin: ok!
[00:23] <sMonk> I guess the BEST thing you can do IF you want KDE 4.... is simply wait till 4.1 if you want WAY less issues... if you want to be part of "us rats" in the testing cages.. then grab a copy of 4.0 meta (when it's done) and giv'er
[00:23] <wesley> its 4.0?
[00:24] <stdin> they are 4.0.0
[00:24] <stdin> by my clock it's Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:24:26 +0000, that makes it release day
[00:24] <wesley> wich server stdin i got dutch server on?
[00:25] <TheWhiteRook> It's Thursday, Jan. 10, 19:25 for me
[00:25] <sMonk> LoL.. only Thursday 10Jan at 19:25 here
[00:25] <Dr_willis> Is there a ubuntu-wiki doc channel? Working on some wiki pages.. and wanting some feedback, and tips.
[00:25] <TheWhiteRook> sMonk: Hey! we're in the same time zone!
[00:25] <stdin> wesley: the kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA (see the link in the topic for SVN, it's the same repo)
[00:25] <Dr_willis> 7:30 here :)
[00:25] <sMonk> TheWhiteRook: see THAT'S why 4.0 is buggy for us.. we havent hit the official release date yet.. lol
[00:26] <TheWhiteRook> hahhaa
[00:26] <Dr_willis> if <date>  >= $release_date then dontcrash()
[00:26] <sMonk> shut off computer.. goto bed.. get up and turn on and all will be good
[00:26] <sMonk> HAHAHAHAHA
[00:27] <sMonk> Dr_willis: now THAT is some code I think I could use for A LOT of programs
[00:27] <wesley> http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3381/schermafdruk2vj2.png  this shows adept stid
[00:28] <sMonk> segfault2k: how'd things work out
[00:28] <sMonk> ?
[00:28] <segfault2k> same :(
[00:28] <wesley> i get it i need to add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main
[00:28] <stdin> wesley: that's from gutsy-backports, not the PPA
[00:28] <sMonk> craptackular
[00:28] <segfault2k> stdin same :(
[00:29] <stdin> segfault2k: got the log for this time?
[00:29] <segfault2k> eee noup :s!
[00:29] <segfault2k> i've screwed it?
[00:29] <Rozenfag> Hey guys, I have a quick question: I have Dapper installed on my laptop. I have Gutsy on a CD. Can I put the CD in and upgrade it?
[00:29] <wesley> stdin its takes some upgrades with it is it okay?
[00:30] <stdin> segfault2k: you shouldn't have a new .1.log yet, just post that
[00:30] <stdin> wesley: yes, every package on there is meant for mass-distribution with KDE4
[00:30] <wesley> okay thanks
[00:30] <Schuenemann> Rozenfag, you can, even though I prefer to install it from scratch
[00:31] <Schuenemann> I don't remember how exacly, though
[00:31] <Rozenfag> I'm on dial-up right now, and it took hours to install the video drivers. I don't want to do that again if possible :P
[00:31] <stdin> Rozenfag: no you can't, you'll have to go Dapper->Edgy->Feisty->Gutsy, skipping version is not supported
[00:31] <segfault2k> where is located that file?
[00:31] <wesley> lol xbox live got a day of yesterday i only did download on kubuntu
[00:31] <Rozenfag> ah, alright. Thanks :)
[00:32] <stdin> segfault2k: /var/log/Xorg.1.log
[00:32] <wesley> Rozenfag you could just download the live cd if you have a home you personal settings will be held just install everthing you need its a lot faster than yupgrading
[00:33] <segfault2k> deprecated: /var/log/Xorg.1.log: No existe el fichero ó directorio
[00:34] <stdin> segfault2k: can you try the Xephyr way of starting kde4?
[00:34] <stdin> see the guide in the topic for how, but you'll need xserver-xephyr
[00:35] <sMonk> Well.. time to go spend some time with my wife, Catch you guys later.. stdin hope the package building goes well.. When I gome back I'll grab a copy of your meta pacage and give er' a whirrl
[00:35] <sMonk> gome - come
[00:35] <stdin> sMonk: by the time you come back you should be able to "sudo apt-get install kde4" :)
[00:35] <TheWhiteRook> see you later
[00:36] <sMonk> LoL.. in 5 MIN??? Really? lol.. j/k.. ok sounds good man. c'aio
[00:36] <sMonk> TheWhiteRook:  later
[00:36] <stdin> yes, in about 5 mins :)
[00:36] <Tm_T> :(
[00:36] <stdin> already uploaded
[00:36] <segfault2k> stdin ok! i'll try
[00:36] <sMonk> damn you work fast
[00:37] <segfault2k> but a hint, when i try to run kwin-kde4 --replace in kde 3.5.8, X server restart again
[00:37] <stdin> segfault2k: just a thought, do "mv ~/.kde4 ~/.kde4.backup" and try again
[00:38] <Tm_T> sMonk: nownow, there's no damnation, there's salvation (KDE4)
[00:38] <lufthanza> any masters of xorg/3d acceleration in here?
[00:38] <Tm_T> lufthanza: no without actual question
[00:38] <segfault2k> stdin kk! :)
[00:39] <wesley> stdin KDE4 ownt vista ( If you get it what i mean ? )
[00:39] <lufthanza> I've got a geforce 4 mx, an integrated nvidia video card with shared memory.
[00:39] <Schuenemann> wesley, anything that isn't b0rked owns vista
[00:39] <flithm> stdin: you say the kde4 meta package is ready?
[00:39] <stdin> wesley: yeah, I was playing with it a few mins ago (1st chase I've had in a while) and it RocKs
[00:39] <Tm_T> wesley: Schuenemann: oh come on, this is supposed to be family friendly channel!
[00:40] <Schuenemann> Tm_T, virus, intruders, spyware, trojan and adware aren't bad words
[00:40] <lufthanza> i've installed the proprietary nvidia drivers for it, and glxinfo reports direct rendering is a go, and glxgears works great, but then I try to open something that uses opengl...
[00:40] <wesley> stdin playing with vista or kde4
[00:40] <stdin> flithm: let me check if it's propagated get
[00:40] <segfault2k> stdin same :(
[00:40] <Tm_T> Schuenemann: oh but that V word is!
[00:40] <lufthanza> and a blank screen/window greets me
[00:40] <Schuenemann> that is just an acronym
[00:40] <lufthanza> any ideas?
[00:40] <stdin> wesley: KDE4 ofcource, I don't touch vista (unless I have to fix it for family)
[00:41] <wesley> lol  the same here
[00:41] <TheWhiteRook> sorry bout that... my battery ran out
[00:41] <Tm_T> oh boy
[00:42] <Tm_T> forget the whole Vis-something, ok?
[00:42] <wesley> KDE4 got the real WOW
[00:42] <TheWhiteRook> ewwww premature, bloated microsoft crap..
[00:42] <Tm_T> what did I just said
[00:43] <segfault2k> ;/
[00:43] <NickPresta> Do any of the new KDE4 packages touch anything related to Python QT4?
[00:43] <TheWhiteRook> stdin: where's your KDE4 package?
[00:43] <wesley> WOW is not from microsoft
[00:43] <segfault2k> WOW its from blizzard
[00:43] <segfault2k> xD
[00:43] <wesley> But from World Of Warcraft
[00:43] <Tm_T> kids
[00:43] <wesley> Microsoft just steals
[00:44] <segfault2k> what would be the problem :(
[00:44] <Tm_T> wesley: no politics here, thank you
[00:44] <segfault2k> i can run every kde4 app :(
[00:44] <TheWhiteRook> wesley: sorry, I was talking about Vista
[00:44] <wesley> okay but have to admit vista was cool XD but linux rocks
[00:44] <Tm_T> !ot
[00:44] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[00:45] <stdin> segfault2k: try removing/purging  all kde4 packages and reinstalling it. something like "sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l|egrep '(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}')" then install the package the link in the topic says
[00:45] <stdin> TheWhiteRook: see the link in the topic, it says SVN/RC2, but they are 4.0.0
[00:46] <TheWhiteRook> stdin: thanx
[00:47] <lufthanza> anyone got any ideas on my problem?
[00:47] <segfault2k> stdin
[00:47] <segfault2k> bash: egrep (4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9]): orden no encontrada
[00:47] <segfault2k> (its something like command not found, in english)
[00:47] <TheWhiteRook> damn, I have to go again.
[00:47] <TheWhiteRook> see you all later
[00:47] <wesley> stdin is amarok ready for kde4?
[00:47] <stdin> segfault2k: copy & paste, it needs those single quotes
[00:47] <segfault2k> i've copy n pasted
[00:47] <Tm_T> wesley: no
[00:47] <stdin> wesley: no, it's not even out of alpha
[00:47] <segfault2k> segfault@carboxile:~$ sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l|egrep'(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}')
[00:48] <wesley> ow so just use the kde3 version
[00:48] <Tm_T> stdin: I'm off, have fun my young apprentice
[00:48] <stdin> Tm_T: noo! don't leave me with this rabble :p
[00:48] <wesley> but i had used once used i a early stage the kde4 amarok but it was not realy good the plasma thing
[00:49] <Schuenemann> stdin, when you're done, you can solve my GTK-font trouble lol
[00:50] <stdin> segfault2k: apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l |egrep '(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}')
[00:50] <flithm> stdin: is there a way I can check for that kde4 package other than obsessively apt-get updating? :)
[00:50] <stdin> flithm: "apt-cache policy kde4", when it says "Candidate: 3~gutsy1~ppa1" it's ready
[00:51] <flithm> stdin: thanks :)
[00:51] <d03boy> hello kubuntu team!
[00:51] <segfault2k> stdin  it will remove my kde 3.5.8 xD!
[00:51] <segfault2k> but doesn't matter D
[00:51] <segfault2k> xD
[00:51] <d03boy> I have an older version of kubuntu and I want to make WPA work on it without fussing with 9230423 things. How can I do such a thing?
[00:52] <Dr_willis> well older as in edgy. or older as in...
[00:52] <d03boy> whats the command to see?
[00:53] <thomas_newbie__> omg i can't get my printer to work....It is connected to my other windows xp machine
[00:53] <Dr_willis> !version
[00:53] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[00:53] <stdin> segfault2k: use "sudo aptitude remove $(dpkg -l |egrep '(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}') kdebase-bin-kde3+" instead
[00:53] <d03boy> its Dapper
[00:53] <d03boy> 6.06
[00:53] <d03boy> what order does it go in?
[00:54] <stdin> dapper is currently the oldest supported version
[00:54] <d03boy> well then, I guess I should be supported
[00:55] <d03boy> i plan on upgrading as soon as I can back up my data, which I cant do until I get internet connection
[00:55] <Dr_willis> assuming the wireless card has any linux support at all.
[00:55] <stdin> have a look at the wifi docs, they should help
[00:55] <stdin> !wpa
[00:55] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[00:55] <thomas_newbie__> should I use Samba to connect to my windows xp computer?
[00:55] <flithm> thomas_newbie__: yes
[00:55] <d03boy> Dr_willis, its using the emulator thinger
[00:55] <Dr_willis> thomas_newbie__,  if you want to access the shares - yes. -  or use the fusesmb tools
[00:56] <d03boy> stdin, ive lokoed before and they dont help
[00:56] <thomas_newbie__> flithm: i'm having trouble though
[00:56] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: you only need to install samba if you want windows clients to access shares on kubuntu, you don't need it to access windows shares
[00:56] <flithm> thomas_newbie__: what stdin said :)
[00:56] <Dr_willis> I got noidea what a emulator thinger is.. :) and i dont do wireless  much.. Gutsy came out and my wireless laptop started working.. woot. befor that - Never worked.
[00:56] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: ok so i should disable samba or uninstall it?
[00:56] <d03boy> Dr_willis, ndis wrapper
[00:57] <Artus> ðóñêèé ñàïîðò åñòü?
[00:57] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: which ever you want, if you don't need it remove it
[00:57] <stdin> Artus: ?
[00:57] <Artus> åñòü êóáóíòó 7.10 ìîæíî ëè ïðîèíñòàëèòü ñ æåñòêîãî äèñêà? îòñóòñòâóåòü ÑÄ
[00:57] <d03boy> well here's the thing... I'm using ndiswrapper and there's like 16 different documents that I dnot want to search through to figure out how not to set up WPA
[00:57] <Dr_willis> i just finished a wiki page on using fusesmb under ubuntu :) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb it lets you browse the windows network.
[00:57] <d03boy> ive tried it before and I failed
[00:58] <BraWearerGuy38B> Any guys here like to wear bras?
[00:59] <flithm> that was messed up
[00:59] <acemo> stdin my favorite guy with too much knowledge bout linux =)
[00:59] <d03boy> stdin, can I borrow some wpa knowledge
[01:00] <stdin> d03boy: I don't use wpa, so I have none :)
[01:00] <d03boy> calling all wpa users!
[01:01] <flithm> d03boy: i use wpa2
[01:02] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: the tutorials i'm reading says that I have to use samba http://www.watchingthenet.com/connecting-to-shared-printers-on-windows-computers.html
[01:03] <flithm> stdin: is there a way to download debs from the source where you guys upload them, before they get propagated?  this is ridiculous I feel like a kid on christmas morning
[01:04] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: it may be needed for printer sharing, but you didn't say you wanted to share printers ;) I have my windows client connect to my kubuntu box with IPP rather than the other way around
[01:04] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. I think im using samba to share my printers.. or is it cups doing it.. i forget. :)
[01:05] <Dr_willis> hes going the other way? windows has the printer, he wants linux to access it?
[01:05] <stdin> flithm: not really, we don't upload .debs, we upload the source packages an have the builders build them. they then get sent to the repository and you download them
[01:05] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: so i click on network printer tcp?
[01:05] <flithm> stdin: oh right... okay I'll shut up and be patient :)
[01:05] <Dr_willis> and then thers much dancing and partying!
[01:06] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: for using windows printers you need to use samba/smb connection
[01:06] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: yea you told me i didn't need it if I was connecting to the windows printer :D
[01:06] <seezer> can anyone use suspend (ram|disk) with the new kde4 packages?
[01:07] <stdin> I said "thomas_newbie__: it may be needed for printer sharing, ...."
[01:07] <wesley> stdin why cant i use adept in kde4
[01:07] <stdin> seezer: try it and see
[01:07] <stdin> wesley: you can't?
[01:07] <seezer> stdin: heh. it's not working for me. that's why i'm asking ;)
[01:07] <wesley> no i cant its says my pass is wrong
[01:08] <stdin> probably something with kdesu then
[01:08] <wesley> what are packs i should install i have read the instructions
[01:10] <seezer> wesley: set a root password and use that - or better: call 'kdesudo adept_manager'
[01:10] <wesley> seezer i have a root password
[01:11] <stdin> boo! hiss!
[01:11] <stdin> setting a root pass is "Bad"(tm)
[01:11] <seezer> wesley: i guess i may not talk about that here :)
[01:11] <wesley> okay but seezer it works
[01:11] <seezer> wesley: it's not kubuntu style - so just take the second option
[01:11] <kubuntu> hi, i have just installed Ubuntu 7.10 and the Kubuntu-Desktop so i have Gnome and KDE. i installed it in a 80GB Disk leaving 38GB for root and the other for /home, if i buy a new disk, can i remove the /home partition, leave the 80GB for /root and the other for /home without lossing data?
[01:13] <seezer> when i start the kde4 session via kdm-kde4 i get only a blank xterm
[01:13] <habdel> kubuntu: yes you can but you should be familiar with the console
[01:13] <seezer> calling /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde works fine and /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop calls just that
[01:13] <seezer> any idea?
[01:13] <stdin> kubuntu: as long as you copy /home to the new partition first, then delete the old /home and resize / to include the free space
[01:13] <stdin> seezer: don't use kdm-kde4, it's borkified
[01:14] <seezer> hmkay
[01:14] <AmyRose> I learned that
[01:14] <AmyRose> about kdm-kde4
[01:14] <wesley> is there a germany learning app?
[01:15] <flithm> heh
[01:15] <kubuntu> stdin and habdel: thanks, that doubt was killing me
[01:15]  * kubuntu Wonders if he should upgrade to KDE4....
[01:15] <Schuenemann> not until it's released
[01:15] <wesley> kde4 works good :)
[01:15] <stdin> kubuntu: make sure you edit /etc/fstab too, to mount the new /home (the UUID of / may change too, not sure)
[01:16] <wesley> stdin kde4 meta pack haves a break
[01:16] <kubuntu> sdin: I know that, the only doubt was the resizing one
[01:17] <stdin> wesley: that's the older one, I've uploaded a newer one and it's building
[01:17] <stdin> well, it's pending building actually
[01:18] <flithm> stdin: should I see the kde4 package on the list of recent uploads on the launchpad page?  or the list of available packages for that matter?
[01:18] <JohnnyNoBueno> I'm a total n00b.  Anyone have any thoughts on getting an SIIG scsi controller working on a fresh install of 7.10?
[01:18] <wesley> and kde 4 multimedia?
[01:19] <itsjustme> can someone help me with the pan newsreader?  I put the server info in the config file and its like nothing happens...
[01:19] <stdin> flithm: it just started building (30 secs ago), it shouldn't be long
[01:19] <kubuntu> Is good to have the GNOME and the KDE desktop enviroment installed in Ubuntu?
[01:19]  * flithm excited
[01:19] <flithm> :)
[01:19] <Dr_willis> kubuntu,  i do that all the time. No problems
[01:19] <JohnnyNoBueno> sorry, I'm in wrong room
[01:20] <stdin> depends on if you want gnome :)
[01:20] <Dr_willis> itsjustme,  i though you had to tell it to grab a list of the newsgroups also.
[01:20] <Dr_willis> its been years since  i last used pan
[01:21] <kubuntu> lol, o tought it can damage any root file, nad about Gnome....... .... ... i don't like it...... lol lol
[01:21] <kubuntu> I only use it if something goes out of control and i can't fix it in KDE  lol
[01:21] <stdin> if you don't like gnome, why not just install kubuntu directly?
[01:22] <stdin> the shell is the best rescue tool ever invented, even the windows "rescue mode" uses a shell
[01:23] <flithm> I'd even go as far as to say the shell is the best user interface mode ever invented.  Don't get me wrong, windows are useful... so you can have many overlapping shells :)
[01:23] <kubuntu> stdin: Well, when i installed my linux, i only had the Ubuntu Cd, and as i said, if something goes out of control on KDE, i can solve it in Gnome in wich i'm a little experienced
[01:23] <itsjustme> I cant seem to figure out how... It looks like it has a download arrow.. I assume it is for gettinh the list, but nothjing happens
[01:24] <stdin> kubuntu: well if you have the space for both, it's fine. you'll just have a bit of a messy KMenu :)
[01:24] <itsjustme> pan  o.129
[01:24] <itsjustme> 0.129
[01:24] <wesley> stdin how can you edited the kde4 menu ?
[01:25] <stdin> not sure, ask in #kde :)
[01:25] <kubuntu> lol... yeah stdin, my Kmenu is a bit messy.... but i can handle it.... lol
[01:25] <itsjustme> click refresh list and I see on the bottom,,,  No Connections.. how do I connect?
[01:26] <Dr_willis> itsjustme,  i recall thee being a menu item. But again its been years.
[01:26] <itsjustme> so what do you recommend for a news reader?
[01:26] <Dr_willis> i dont even know if my isp has a news server any more
[01:26] <itsjustme> pan is suppose to be good
[01:26] <vzduch> Dr_willis: you recall whom being a menu item? :D
[01:26] <Dr_willis> pan was very good last i used it.
[01:27] <Dr_willis> it also depends on what you want to do with the news reader. :)
[01:27] <vzduch> itsjustme: you mean for standard Usenet groups or for binaries?
[01:27] <kubuntu> So, i have  a problem with KDM, it have more resolution than what my monitor can correctly show, that means that KDM is displayed but not like he will have to, ho can i fix that? pleas
[01:27] <kubuntu> e
[01:27] <seezer> stdin: did you try suspend yet?
[01:27] <itsjustme> how about for all
[01:27] <stdin> seezer: nope, not yet
[01:27] <itsjustme> I'd like to learn how to do all of it.. Im new to this
[01:28] <vzduch> as for binaries, no idea.. for normal Usenet reading and posting, KNode should be preferred as it's a KDE program, but Pan is just fine
[01:28] <Dr_willis> Hmm I fired up pan.. it asked for the news server.. i entered the right info.. it started getting the groups..
[01:28] <vzduch> itsjustme: and google for 'netiquette' :)
[01:28] <itsjustme> I have pan up but cant seem to connect
[01:28] <Dr_willis> its fetching 20000+ groups it seems :)
[01:29] <itsjustme> hhuummm   firewall maybe?
[01:29] <Dr_willis> you sure you got yoyur news group server entered properly?
[01:29] <itsjustme> yea,,  it worked in W i n d o zzz earlier
[01:29] <vzduch> Dr_willis: that's just the list.. if you want to actually read newsgroups, you have to subscribe to them
[01:29] <Dr_willis> vzduch,  correct.. but he dosent seem to even have the list.. or hes really confused about how to use pan. :)
[01:29] <itsjustme> 1st thing 1st... I need to get the program to connecyt
[01:30] <Dr_willis> itsjustme,  go to File->task manager, see if its doing anything.
[01:30]  * feffer ...be back later: Gone away for now.
[01:31] <itsjustme> blank
[01:31] <itsjustme> 0tasks
[01:31] <Dr_willis> check the event log? same menu..
[01:31] <itsjustme> wow...  error connecting
[01:31] <itsjustme> many
[01:31] <Dr_willis> ------->   you sure you got yoyur news group server entered properly?
[01:31] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:32] <itsjustme> I'll try again
[01:32] <vzduch> are there free newsfeeds available still?
[01:32] <vzduch> I have a paid newsfeed (€10 per year), works fine
[01:33] <ardchoille> vzduch: Newsfeeds for what? There are tons of free newsfeeds. My akregator is full of them :)
[01:33] <vzduch> ardchoille: not for RSS, for Usenet
[01:33] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[01:33] <ardchoille> I don't even know what usenet is
[01:33] <vzduch> o0
[01:33] <itsjustme> still no connections...   newsgroups.comcast.net
[01:33] <vzduch> guess you missed something then ;)
[01:33] <stdin> it's a place where the deviant hangout
[01:33] <Dr_willis> news feeds., vs newsgroups :)
[01:34] <ardchoille> stdin: :)
[01:34] <Dr_willis> itsjustme,  it may want a username/password.. or somthing else.
[01:34] <Dr_willis> The comcast isp web site may have details.
[01:34] <itsjustme> google. said newsgroups.comcast.net and it works in windoz..  entered the other info too
[01:34] <stdin> ardchoille: think of it like a mailing list, except you don't have to "sign up", you just subscribe to it
[01:34] <Dr_willis> itsjustme,  you are a comcast subscriber?
[01:34] <flithm> stdin: I'M DYING HERE!! :)
[01:35] <itsjustme> ha  after 30secs it says connecting/////  woops no connections
[01:35] <itsjustme> yes i am
[01:35] <ardchoille> stdin: Ok
[01:41] <wesley> how does the replacement for kicker named?
[01:41] <stdin> wesley: it's a plasmoid/applet, it's part of plasma
[01:42] <itsjustme> sorry...  Im back.. had to help my son with his homework
[01:42] <itsjustme> so what do we think?  uninstall and reinstall?
[01:42] <vzduch> checked firewall?
[01:43] <vzduch> though I think it's a bit unlikely that this is the problem.. should work perfectly in passive mode
[01:43] <itsjustme> firewall off... no connections still after tring to connect
[01:44] <itsjustme> Ill reinstall and try again
[01:44] <vzduch> perhaps try KNode
[01:44] <itsjustme> k
[01:45] <wesley> will it take long till the kde4 meta is ready?
[01:46] <stdin> it'll take a bit longer since I had to re-upload :p
[01:46] <wesley> ows my taskbar from kde4 is away
[01:47] <wesley> gots kicker so long activated
[01:49]  * marcx bru noc
[01:50] <erick> holas
[01:51] <NickPresta> !es | erick
[01:51] <ubotu> erick: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[01:51] <vzduch> <-- going to bed, good night folks :)
[01:52] <tekteen> anyone know how to subscribe to an iTunes podcast from a website?
[01:52] <wayneward> i see kde 4 is released today sometime how long before it hits the repositories any one know
[01:53] <cef> and how long before all the bug fixes hit upstream, and then come back. :/
[01:53] <tekteen> the site is http://fee.org/ and has a button on the site to subscribe to the podcast,
[01:55] <stdin> tekteen: that *needs* itunes
[01:55] <tekteen> stdin: I have ubuntu not itunes
[01:55] <tekteen> stdin: :-(
[01:56] <stdin> tekteen: email them and complain until something is done :p
[01:56] <tekteen> thanks :-(
[01:57] <stdin> nothing anyone except them can do, it specifically looks for itunes
[01:58] <NickPresta> tekteen, try saving this (http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=254360357&amp;ign-mscache=1) and loading it in itunes
[01:58] <wesley> how can i start the kde plasmoid ( kicker it will not start by start up ) kde4
[01:59] <stdin> wesley: it's probably easier to start with a fresh ~/.kde4 for now, just logout of kde4, rename it and log back in
[01:59] <stdin> some of the older setting may mess the latest one up
[02:00] <wesley> what renaming?
[02:02] <stdin> in konsole "mv ~/.kde4 ~/.kde4.bak" or open konqueror and choose View -> Show Hidden and rename it
[02:02] <stdin> do that in kde3, because it won't work right in kde4
[02:04] <d0b> hi all
[02:04] <wesley> so what do i need to rename ?
[02:05] <d0b> I have a little problem.. when I boot the system i see only shel and nothing else...
[02:06] <wesley> stdin what do i have to rename?
[02:06] <d0b> so i need to type kdesktop and kwin --replace to view the desktop evry tyme when i login...
[02:07] <d0b> can some body help me how to fix it ?
[02:07] <stdin> wesley: in kde4, open konsole and put in "mv ~/.kde4 ~/.kde4.bak"
[02:08] <stdin> d0b: does /etc/rc2.d/S99kdm and /etc/init.d/kdm exist ?
[02:08] <wesley> stdin in kde3 i am logged
[02:08] <stdin> wesley: no, I meant "in kde3" not 4
[02:09] <stdin> typos
[02:09] <wesley> and now its renamed?
[02:09] <stdin> when it's renamed log back into kde4
[02:10] <d0b> stdin: yes, they are there
[02:10] <thomas_newbie__> Should I have a different password for my SUDO and a different one for ROOT?
[02:10] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: don't set a root pass at all
[02:10] <wayneward_> how do i get kde4 installed apt-get install ??..
[02:11] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: well whenever i need root priveleges i use root passwd no?
[02:11] <stdin> d0b: when you login, do you login to the shell or to kdm?
[02:11] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: no, you use sudo
[02:11] <d0b> stdin: to kdm
[02:11] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: but I log in with that password too...
[02:12] <d0b> stdin: the problem has appearanced when I upgrade system to 7.10 but at that time was launching compiz (
[02:12] <stdin> d0b: what session does it say it's logging you into?
[02:12] <wesley> stdin it works thanks
[02:13] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: don' t just use sudo to to root stuff
[02:13] <stdin> *"don't, just..."
[02:14] <d0b> stdin: don't know
[02:14] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: ??well I use the same password to login to my home...same for sudo to do admin stuff
[02:14] <lemke> anyone can tell me if there will be a Kubuntu 7.10 ISO or packages of the KDE4 JUST AFTER the release?
[02:15] <stdin> lemke: this is a testing version with 4.0.0, please report your findings to #kubuntu-devel or #kubuntu-testers http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/
[02:15] <stdin> d0b: look in the menu on the bottom right section of the login screen
[02:16] <lemke> Alredy? nice! thnks!
[02:16] <stdin> it may not be perfect yet, so please report issues :)
[02:17] <lemke> yeah
[02:18] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: i didn't understand what you wrote to me...and did u see my post
[02:18] <lemke> it is the rc2 release?
[02:18] <stdin> lemke: no 4.0.0 release
[02:19] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: don't use a root password, just use sudo to gain root access
[02:19] <lemke> alredy? but there is nothing new at kde.org
[02:21] <stdin> lemke: the packages are being tar'd up and distributed to mirrors around the world, it takes time. when that's done kde.org will be updated
[02:21] <wayneward_> how we get 4.0.0 release for ubuntu
[02:21] <adamonline45> lol that's what I came in to see
[02:21] <wayneward_> lol
[02:22] <wayneward_> could do with it tonight !
[02:22] <stdin> the packages are in the kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA now, they should be in gutsy-backports by tomorrow
[02:22] <lemke> stdin: ok
[02:22] <wayneward_> oh thats ok
[02:22] <wayneward_> wicked
[02:22] <stdin> I'll update the topic later, when I feel comfortable with it
[02:22] <tlsarles> How do you add a new pannel with KDE4?
[02:22] <wayneward_> show just apt-get update and apt-get install it
[02:23] <stdin> tlsarles: not sure, ask in #kde
[02:23] <wayneward_> ok ill take a look see what they say
[02:23] <stdin> wayneward_: yeah, add the repository and install kde4-core
[02:23] <d0b> stdin: thanks ! ))
[02:23] <stdin> d0b: was that the problem then?
[02:24] <d0b> stdin: yes
[02:24] <stdin> isn't it annoying when the problem is so simple but you have no idea where it actually is? :p
[02:25] <d0b> )
[02:27] <wayneward_> no answers yet im installing one of repos now so hopefully should notify me to update?? hopefully!!...
[02:27] <wayneward_> ill stay tuned on here
[02:28] <adamonline45> stdin: You mentioned just adding 'the repository' and apt-getting kde4-core.  Do you know what I should add in my sources.list?
[02:28] <stdin> same as it was for RC2: "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main"
[02:29]  * stdin moves the text to annoy everyone copying&pasting
[02:29] <d0b> is KDE 4 allready relised ???
[02:30] <stdin> yes and no, I hope that answers your question
[02:30] <stdin> :)
[02:31] <d0b> what do you mean "yes and no" ? )
[02:31] <stdin> I mean "yes it is" and "no it isn't", all at the same time
[02:31] <adamonline45> As in, it's available if you know how to get it?
[02:32] <adamonline45> or as in, RC2, not 4.0.0?
[02:32] <articpenguin3800> is kde4 packaged yet?
[02:32] <stdin> no, we do have 4.0.0
[02:32] <stdin> it just hasn't been officially announced
[02:33] <stdin> *yet
[02:33] <adamonline45> stdin: Oh okay.  I've been watching the news all day at school waiting for some word :D
[02:33] <stdin> here's our stance: "we have it now, but it's not "released" until kde.org says so"
[02:33]  * adamonline45 is excited about ditching compiz fusion for some mild compositor stuff
[02:34] <adamonline45> stdin: Got it.  Where have I seen your name before?  Did you make the packages or something for Kubuntu?
[02:34] <articpenguin3800> its not in the repos yet?
[02:34] <stdin> adamonline45: I did the packages from previous releases of kde4, yes
[02:35] <adamonline45> stdin: Gotcha... Nice to meet you!  And thanks :)
[02:35] <stdin> it's not in the archive.ubuntu.com ones for gutsy yet, no
[02:36] <articpenguin3800> i will compile kde 4 then =)
[02:36] <stdin> articpenguin3800: why?
[02:36] <Downix> hey all
[02:36] <articpenguin3800> i jus bored
[02:36]  * stdin points articpenguin3800 to "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main"
[02:36] <d0b> stdin: so can i install kde 4 now ?
[02:36] <Downix> I can't find libqt-dev for kubuntu!
[02:36] <stdin> d0b: indeededooby
[02:36] <Downix> it references it, but can't seem to find it
[02:37] <stdin> Downix: try libqt4-dev :)
[02:37] <Downix> ok, I'll be quiet now
[02:38] <d0b> stdin: sorry, but i don't understand )
[02:38] <stdin> d0b: "indeedydooby" is my way of saying "yes" ;)
[02:38] <d0b> stdin: my english is so bad )
[02:38] <stdin> made up of "indeed" with a "de" on the end and a "dooby" after it
[02:39] <Pici> d0b: My english is good and I had no idea what he was talking about.
[02:39] <stdin> no one ever does, and I'm ok with that :)
[02:39] <d0b> Pici: )
[02:39] <d0b> stdin: )))
[02:40] <d0b> stdin: and how install it ? what repositories and so on ?
[02:40] <seezer> stdin: will i get a "indeedydooby" if i ask "is it advisable to try a upgrade to hardy by changing sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade yet"
[02:40] <stdin> seezer: no, you'll get a "nopeydooby"
[02:41] <stdin> unless you *really know what you're doing*, don't use hardy yet
[02:41] <LjL> seezer, for starters, it's not safe to upgrade to hardy at all, since hardly is hardly (pun intended) ready for production use. second, no, upgrading should be done using the update manager
[02:41] <Skyblast> I have Hardy in the VM... It is alphatastic. Don't use it for daily work or anything important
[02:43] <seezer> LjL: that's ok for me. but the update manager.. i missed installing that thingy..
[02:44] <seezer> but went fine from edgy to feisty via apt upgrades
[02:44] <LjL> !upgrade
[02:44] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:44] <seezer> this gutsy was a fresh install
[02:44] <Downix> ok, libqt-dev still didn't have qwidget.h
[02:44] <Downix> hmm
[02:45] <Jucato> Downix: qt3 or qt4?
[02:45] <Downix> I just put qt4 on
[02:45] <stdin> you sure you set your include path, or use qmake-qt4?
[02:46] <Downix> thought I had
[02:46] <Jucato> Downix: yes, but what is it you're trying to compile? does it need qt3 or qt4?
[02:46] <Downix> I'm not sure why it needs qt at all
[02:47] <Downix> it's a CLI utility for converting source file
[02:47] <Jucato> then it shouldn't be looking for qwidget... :/
[02:47] <Downix> I know, I'm quite boggled
[02:47] <Downix> but there's the missing files
[02:48] <stdin> maybe it uses QString (I know I'm tempted to use QString in CLI apps)
[02:48] <Downix> mydebug.h:21:21: error: qwidget.h: No such file or directory
[02:48] <Downix> mydebug.h:22:25: error: qpushbutton.h: No such file or directory
[02:48] <Downix> mydebug.h:23:27: error: qmultilinedit.h: No such file or directory
[02:48] <Downix> mydebug.cpp:19:19: error: qfile.h: No such file or directory
[02:48] <Downix> mydebug.cpp:20:25: error: qtextstream.h: No such file or directory
[02:48] <Downix> mydebug.cpp:21:21: error: qstring.h: No such file or directory
[02:48] <Jucato> it's obviously a GUI thing... but next time please use a pastebin Downix
[02:49] <Downix> sorry, forgot to grab one
[02:49] <Downix> my goof
[02:49] <Jucato> Downix: can you give a link to that app? so we can check what Qt version it uses?
[02:49] <stdin> are you sure it's qt4 not qt3, usually Qt4 includes are Capitalised
[02:49]  * Jucato almost bets it's qt3
[02:49] <Qrawl> ok... so.... how do I get KDE4
[02:50] <Downix> http://www.len.ro/work/v2vhdl
[02:50] <Jucato> Qrawl: um.. you wait?
[02:50] <stdin> give me $5 and I'll tell :)
[02:50] <Qrawl> Jucato, it just came out
[02:50] <Jucato> Qrawl: but the Kubuntu packages haven't yet
[02:50] <Qrawl> do you have PayPal
[02:50] <Qrawl> ok
[02:50] <Jucato> unless you want to compile from source code...
[02:50] <Qrawl> yes, I do
[02:51] <Qrawl> not want to do that
[02:51] <Jucato> "The graphic interface was created using Qt v1.45 widgets, compiled using moc (Meta Object Compiler)" wth? O.o
[02:52] <ardchoille> Jucato: heh, kinda outdated?
[02:53] <mitch_> I launch Banshee in Kubuntu, it it runs fine. However, it gives this error message: Your environment is not properly set up to use DBus. Please fix your environment or run Banshee through dbus-launch. How do I launch it through dbus-launch?
[02:53] <stdin> Downix: edit the the qt_client/Makefile and change "-I/usr/include/qt" to "-I/usr/include/qt3!
[02:53] <stdin> * "-I/usr/include/qt" to "-I/usr/include/qt3"
[02:53] <Jucato> ardchoille: very...
[02:53] <Downix> ok
[02:54] <Jucato> stdin: I don't think Qt 3 is source or binary compatible with Qt 1?
[02:54] <stdin> the only date I see is 2004, should be using 3
[02:55] <Jucato> stdin: maybe it changed... but then the front page says Qt 1.x
[02:55] <Downix> down to missing qconfig.h and qmodules.h
[02:56] <stdin> you have libqt3-mt-dev?
[02:56]  * Jucato doesn't think he has.. because was told to install libqt4-dev only
[02:56] <Downix> nope, aptitude'ing now
[02:56] <stdin> hmm, but then why did the other errors go away?
[02:58] <Downix> I had libqt3-headers
[02:58] <Downix> ok, now down to one missing file, qmultilinedit.h
[02:58] <stdin> libqt3-compat-headers
[02:59] <Jucato> stdin: maybe when you gave him the -I flag
[02:59] <Downix> this is fun
[03:00] <adamonline45> Quick question... How do I boot into KDE4?
[03:01] <Downix> now it's /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt
[03:01] <stdin> with KDM, choose KDE 4 from the menu
[03:02] <adamonline45> stdin: Where do I find kdm?
[03:02] <stdin> Downix: change "-lqt" to "-lqt-mt" in the Makefile
[03:02] <stdin> adamonline45: it's the login screen
[03:02] <VoksD> Did anyone try adding in KDE4 yet?  I'm getting install issues left and right.
[03:03] <stdin> VoksD: post them to postebin so we can see them
[03:03] <Downix> ln: creating symbolic link `../qt_client/qtvl' to `./bin/qtvl': No such file or directory
[03:03] <Downix> grr
[03:05] <VoksD> stdin: I'd rather spare you the long list, but they all seem to give (using apt-get): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/services/somefile', which is also in package kde4base-data"
[03:06] <VoksD> A lot of packages trying to overwrite some file which is already in kde4base-data
[03:06] <VoksD> (not just one file, but a whole bunch)
[03:06] <Downix> ok, easy fix
[03:07] <stdin> Downix: yeah, just reverser the ln -s line
[03:07] <Downix> yup
[03:07] <Qrawl> if I install KDE4 this way:  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php     will I be at a disadvantage?  or will the results be exactly the same as waiting for backport
[03:08] <stdin> VoksD: you have (at the latest) kde beta packages. you should have removed them
[03:08] <VoksD> damn, I was sure I'd removed all the previous stuff properly
[03:08] <VoksD> After I saw those errors I tried best as I could to just purge everything related to kde4 and doing a clean install, but apparently I didn't  do that right.
[03:08] <stdin> VoksD: try "aptitude remove $(dpkg -l |egrep '(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}') kdebase-bin-kde3+"
[03:09] <stdin> with sudo though
[03:09] <Jucato> Folks, just so you should know, KDE 4.0 isn't officially released yet. So we're still waiting for the go signal. and some small changes might happen in between that time. So follow that link at your own risk for now :)
[03:09] <BluesKaj> howdy folks , what's the word on Krusader File Manager ?
[03:09] <VoksD> stdin: This will not touch my kde3.5.8, right?
[03:09] <Qrawl> Jucato, ok
[03:09] <Qrawl> I'll wait
[03:09] <stdin> VoksD: it will install the new kde3 packages (which you will need), but that's it
[03:10] <Downix> now to see if this thing works
[03:10] <VoksD> fair enuff
[03:10] <jcsgkfyiji> is there a terminal command to list my current ip address or addresses if i have multiple adapters configured and connected to differnt things?
[03:10] <Qrawl> did I post something forbidden
[03:11] <stdin> jcsgkfyiji: ifconfig
[03:11] <jcsgkfyiji> hate to sound like a retard how do you exit a man page?
[03:11] <BluesKaj> !Krusader
[03:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about krusader - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:12] <VoksD> jcsgkfyiji: If in the console, just hit 'q'
[03:12] <BluesKaj> !info Krusader
[03:12] <ubotu> krusader: twin-panel (commander-style) file manager for KDE (and other desktops). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.80.0-1 (gutsy), package size 3102 kB, installed size 8736 kB
[03:12] <jcsgkfyiji> thanks
[03:13] <VoksD> jcsgkfyiji: Since you're in KDE you might find it more readable to type 'man:/ifconfig', or whatever manpage you want, in the run menu or konqueror
[03:14] <jcsgkfyiji> in the konqueror address bar? cool!
[03:14] <VoksD> yeah :D
[03:14] <Jucato> single / would do
[03:14] <Jucato> or no / even (man:konqueror)
[03:14] <VoksD> :o
[03:14] <Jucato> there's even info:/ and help:/
[03:15] <stdin> konqueror can do everything you want it to do, even some thing you don't :)
[03:15] <VoksD> hehe
[03:15] <BluesKaj> seems to work for all kinds of apps
[03:15] <Jucato> well it doesn't do IRC yet.. so no...
[03:15] <Jucato> :D
[03:15] <VoksD> I absolutely love Konqy, they've done a very good job with it.
[03:15] <stdin> maybe sho_ should make an IRC KPart :P
[03:15] <jcsgkfyiji> I just learned about sftp://myname@host for ssh, nice and webdavs://
[03:16] <ubuntu_> has anyone here used gnome and kde, and which one you like?
[03:16] <kubuntu> Hey, i have a problem with KDM, i changed the theme to SuperNature and it's still cahrging with the default one, and in a resolution of 1152x(other), and my monitor only supports up to 1024x728, how can if ix those problems?
[03:16] <VoksD> ubuntu_: Used both, preferred KDE.
[03:16] <Downix> well it's running, but man it's sloooow
[03:16] <Jucato> stdin: in my dreams! :)
[03:16] <stdin> ubuntu_: this is #kubuntu, guess what we like :p
[03:16] <VoksD> hehe
[03:16] <Downix> doesn't help that it's... huge
[03:17] <jcsgkfyiji> ubuntu gnome is pretty and very to use if you doing light work, but if your really going to use your computer use kde, it's much more powerful!
[03:17] <ubuntu_> yeah i knoiw what channel im in, im running this off cd right now, been using ubuntu. kde has some nice desktop switching etc.. but not sure what i want to run
[03:18] <stdin> well you can run gnome apps in kde and kde apps in gnome, so it whatever you prefer
[03:18] <holycow2> is kde4 rc2 or rc3 yet? i thought it was rc3
[03:18] <ubuntu_> yeah, anyone here using 8.04 yet?
[03:18] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> hi how can i make  Ktorrent 2.2.1 to autorun automatically every time i start session in kde? im using kubuntu gutsy gibbon
[03:18] <stdin> holycow2: 4.0.0 is due today
[03:19] <stdin> !autostart | asdfasdfasdfasdf
[03:19] <ubotu> asdfasdfasdfasdf: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[03:19] <jcsgkfyiji> ubuntu_: use knoqueror to manage files and then try the gnome nautilus and you whill have made up your mind, nautilus is awful, no offence to any gnome fans.
[03:20] <GoetzC> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[03:20] <VoksD> ubuntu_: And if you're of the kind who loves two-pane file commanders, or used Norton Commander or UFO back in the days, you'll find Krusader (which is made for KDE) really pleasant.
[03:21] <kubuntu> Soo, should i reinstall KDM?
[03:21] <notv> whats the best C++ IDE for gnome?
[03:21] <VoksD> ubuntu_: As far as I can tell from personal experience and memory, Konqueror is better than what ships with Gnome, and KDE is a bit more responsive than Gnome (that may be entirely subjective).. plus KDE can be controlled with dcop, which is a gib plus.
[03:21] <stdin> GoetzC: until that hits the kubuntu.org front page, it's not "official"
[03:21] <stdin> notv: 1) there is no "best" 2) try asking in #ubuntu
[03:21] <notv> i like dolphin more than konqueror
[03:22] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> was kde 4 laucnhed? it says today can i download it now?
[03:22] <notv> stdin, i know and i am already
[03:22] <VoksD> asdfasdfasdfasdf: Yes, you can.
[03:22] <Downix> notv: EMACS
[03:22] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> i mean the final version
[03:22] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> not rc2
[03:22] <Qrawl> #KDE4-Release-Party
[03:22] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> lol
[03:23] <notv> hm
[03:23] <Jucato> seriously, that's the channel
[03:23] <notv> emacs is all black. is that just a setting thing?
[03:23] <notv> what about eclipse?
[03:23] <Qrawl> ok. so once the Kubuntu version of KDE4 is ready, how will we upgrade
[03:23] <stdin> Qrawl: did you install RC2?
[03:24] <Qrawl> I uninstalled that a few minutes ago
[03:24] <stdin> Qrawl: it'll be a similar install procedure
[03:25] <Qrawl> stdin, I will PM you the link Im using
[03:25] <holycow2> stdin aha danke
[03:25] <Qrawl> will that be the official way to upgrade?
[03:26] <stdin> Qrawl: if nothing goes wrong with the packages, it will
[03:26] <Qrawl> but its going to be backported
[03:26] <holycow2> so to install ... i need to enable the hardy repos?
[03:26] <Qrawl> will that change anything?
[03:27] <stdin> Qrawl: no, same packages as what will be backported
[03:27] <secleinteer> will the final version of kde4 available in the gutsy backports?
[03:27] <Qrawl> ty
[03:27] <stdin> holycow2: no, the'll be in the kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA and will filter into gutsy-backports
[03:27] <Qrawl> yes
[03:28] <holycow2> ohhh thank you.  will installing the rc from the topic interfere with the backport?
[03:28] <holycow2> well i guess not, its just going to be higher version packages
[03:30] <stdin> *KDE4 status: There are packages in the PPA but KDE 4.0.0 isn't "officially" released until kde.org says so, also remember the PPA repository has a limited bandwidth so download will be slow if everyone jumps and gets them now.
[03:31] <stdin> if you have install RC2 then there shouldn't be a problem, just don't jump all over the packages. if you haven't (or uninstalled it) then wait a while longer.
[03:31] <Downix> and it can't read the Verilog code... lovely
[03:31] <holycow2> okay no problem.  i was toying around with it on another box earlier today, it's so beautiful it hurts to use gnome or kde3
[03:34] <Qrawl> KDE4 is only 158mb??
[03:35] <secleinteer> what, do you want it to be 3+ gb like vista?
[03:35] <Qrawl> lol
[03:36] <Qrawl> I want to make sure Im doing this correctly
[03:36] <hydrogen> its more than 158 mb..
[03:36] <_gtt_> anyone got irkick setup ?
[03:36] <secleinteer> it might be just the base software
[03:36] <Qrawl> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!    <[03:36] <secleinteer> w/o any of the programs
[03:36] <secleinteer> Qrawl: yeah that's fine
[03:36] <hydrogen> though maybe not compressed
[03:36] <Qrawl> ty
[03:37] <Jucato> "note that PPAs aren't authenticated so you will likely get a warning when installing"
[03:37] <secleinteer> Qrawl: where are you installing from?
[03:37] <_gtt_> !irkick
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about irkick - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:37] <_gtt_> !infrared
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about infrared - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:37] <_gtt_> !lirc
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lirc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:37] <_gtt_> what good is that thing
[03:37] <Qrawl> various places
[03:37] <Qrawl> mainly ppa
[03:37] <Jay-Oh-En> !purekde
[03:37] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[03:38] <secleinteer> Qrawl: what's ppa?
[03:38] <stdin> !ppa
[03:38] <_gtt_> personal package archives
[03:38] <ubotu> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[03:38] <secleinteer> ty
[03:38] <Qrawl> launchpad
[03:38] <secleinteer> well i'd rather not install random crap that people ul
[03:38] <secleinteer> i'll wait lol
[03:39] <_gtt_> it's not forced upon you...
[03:39] <secleinteer> i know lol
[03:39] <Qrawl> wink wink
[03:39] <secleinteer> i didn't know i was giving the impression that i felt forced
[03:39] <stdin> secleinteer: 1) it's not random thank you very much, 2) when the announcement comes it will be from a PPA
[03:40] <secleinteer> stdin: it seems like anyone can upload a deb to launchpad as a 'ppa'
[03:40] <secleinteer> maybe i will apt-get build-dep kde4 and compile :D
[03:40] <stdin> secleinteer: to *their* ppa, yes
[03:40] <secleinteer> stdin: so is there an 'official' ppa?
[03:40] <stdin> the one we use can only be uploaded to by 3 people, including myself
[03:41] <Jucato> secleinteer: not everyone can upload to any ppa
[03:41] <stdin> not even Jucato can upload to ours :P
[03:41] <secleinteer> stdin: so where is this official ppa?
[03:41] <hydrogen> er.. it's still random people as far as joe user is concerned
[03:41]  * seezer falls asleep. bye
[03:41] <Jucato> only certain people can upload to certain ppa's. of course a PPA owner can upload to his own ppa
[03:41] <secleinteer> Jucato: yeah, but i didn't know there was an organized ppa
[03:41] <Jucato> hydrogen: developers are random people as far as joe user is concerned :)
[03:41] <stdin> secleinteer: we'll tell you when we feel comfortable releasing the packages, it'll be in the topic
[03:41] <Jucato> (that would make you random too :P)
[03:41] <secleinteer> stdin: :(
[03:42] <Qrawl> the official one is a secret
[03:42] <hydrogen> saying "its not random because I upload to it" doesn't lend it any more credibility
[03:42] <stdin> *Note: When KDE 4.0.0 comes out we'll updates the topic with the link to get it, please wait until then so we can insure you get an easy and safe install*
[03:42] <secleinteer> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/
[03:42] <secleinteer> XD
[03:42] <Jucato> hydrogen: point?
[03:42] <Qrawl> until the official word is out
[03:42] <secleinteer> did i just find it? :P
[03:42] <stdin> hydrogen: does when I say it :)
[03:42] <Qrawl> so just wait
[03:42] <stdin> secleinteer: please wait until we say it's ok, and don't post the link
[03:43] <secleinteer> stdin: it's even on kubuntu.org
[03:43] <stdin> on the front page?
[03:43] <secleinteer> on the kde4 rc2 announcement
[03:43]  * feffer is back.
[03:43] <secleinteer> i googled 'kubuntu ppa' and it was the fifth link
[03:43] <stdin> then it's not announced yet
[03:44] <stdin> !away > feffer
[03:44] <secleinteer> yeah, but it's not like people can't find it
[03:44] <secleinteer> w/e, i'll wait i guess
[03:44] <hydrogen> I'm really not certain why people are so excited to get their hands on kde4 anyways..
[03:44] <Qrawl> ??????????
[03:44] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> stdin, that means you guys are making a nice step by step howto install easy for the newbies like me? ^^
[03:44] <secleinteer> there were enough bugs when i ran beta 4 in vmware
[03:44] <secleinteer> not gonna try an unstable version now
[03:44] <holycow2> hydrogen, have you seen it?
[03:44] <stdin> secleinteer: doesn't matter, it's up to you if you want to try but we can't guarantee anything
[03:44] <hydrogen> holycow2: I'm using it
[03:45] <stdin> asdfasdfasdfasdf: we are yes :)
[03:45] <secleinteer> hydrogen: it's not really done, but users have to start using it at some point
[03:45] <holycow2> lol
[03:45] <secleinteer> stdin: no OSS is 'guaranteed' anyway, so that doesn't bother me
[03:45] <secleinteer> i'll wait for nice instructions though
[03:45] <holycow2> its so easy on the eyes from my perspective, it hurts to use gnome
[03:45] <Qrawl> as long as its better than Alpha 1
[03:45] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> stdin, lol xD
[03:45] <secleinteer> yes, gnome hurts me eyes too
[03:45] <stdin> secleinteer: then just don't post links to it in here, whatever else you do is up to you
[03:45] <secleinteer> my*
[03:46] <secleinteer> stdin: alright, i won't post any more links XD
[03:46] <holycow2> also
[03:46] <holycow2> kde4 is the first time i've trully been inspired by a desktop environment
[03:46] <secleinteer> when i see gtk, i want to throw up :D
[03:46] <holycow2> its not complete but the bits that are there have a certain something extra to them
[03:46] <Qrawl> are you using it now
[03:46] <holycow2> i can't describe it but it feels like it was created by people that care
[03:46] <holycow2> thats just makes me want to start using it an help out
[03:47] <Qrawl> I like the feel of GNOME actually
[03:47]  * Jucato points to http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174
[03:47] <secleinteer> nooooo
[03:47] <secleinteer> gnome == :(
[03:47] <Qrawl> 69%
[03:48] <wesley> lol bashing gnome
[03:48] <secleinteer> and i've used it, too
[03:48] <Aulus> I can't find the standard sources.list file for gutsy. Might someone have one?
[03:48] <secleinteer> when i first moved to linux
[03:48] <secleinteer> Aulus: check ubuntuguide.org
[03:49] <stdin> Aulus: see /use/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
[03:49] <Jucato> !easysource
[03:49] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:49] <syazdani> does anybody know where is wpa_passphrase?
[03:49] <stdin> in wpasupplicant
[03:49] <Jucato> like a password to connect to the network right?
[03:50] <syazdani> hmm, it doesn't seem to be there.
[03:50] <syazdani> Maybe I need to reinstall it.
[03:50] <stdin> !find wpa_passphrase
[03:50] <ubotu> File wpa_passphrase found in wpasupplicant
[03:50] <Jucato> ah ok.. it's a command :P
[03:50] <wesley> yeah gnome sound standaard thats why many people use it
[03:50] <Jucato> is wpasupplicant installed?
[03:51] <syazdani> It seems to be.
[03:52] <syazdani> wpa was working before.
[03:56] <zetheroo> do the effects in KDE4 work with the fglrx drovers?
[03:56] <zetheroo> drivers
[03:56] <nixternal> nope
[03:56] <nixternal> if they do, I don't know how to get them working
[03:57] <Jay-Oh-En> zetheroo: if they dont it doesnt look like im gonig to be able to use KDE4
[03:57] <eatThisAndDie> guys, is there anything in Ubuntu like 'service (red hat) or start-stop-daemon
[03:57] <Jay-Oh-En> is there a kde program like gimp
[03:57] <zetheroo> nixternal: why would it not work?
[03:57] <nixternal> eatThisAndDie: which daemon are you trying to stop?
[03:57] <holycow2> eatThisAndDie /etc/init.d/servicename start/stop
[03:57] <nixternal> Jay-Oh-En: nothing like Gimp, sorry
[03:57] <Jay-Oh-En> dang
[03:58] <secleinteer> Jay-Oh-En: krita
[03:58] <zetheroo> nixternal: is it because of xgl?
[03:58] <nixternal> eatThisAndDie: exactly what holycow2 said :)
[03:58] <genii> eatThisAndDie: sudo /etc/init.d/<appname> start/stop/restart/reload
[03:58] <eatThisAndDie> yeah, i know that works, nixternal,
[03:58] <Jay-Oh-En> secleinteer: krita?
[03:58] <nixternal> zetheroo: people have gotten their radeons to work I believe, I just haven't looked much into it
[03:58] <Qrawl> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:58] <Qrawl>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1_all.deb
[03:58] <Qrawl> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:58] <secleinteer> Jay-Oh-En: yeah, it's a image editing program
[03:58] <holycow2> so whats the problem then?
[03:58] <eatThisAndDie> but well... i;m just used to being lazy and going 'service' ;)
[03:58] <nixternal> krita is far from Gimp unfortunately
[03:58] <Jay-Oh-En> secleinteer: thanks is it hard to use?
[03:58] <holycow2> so setup an alias
[03:58] <eatThisAndDie> hmmmm... thats an idea
[03:59] <holycow2> gimp is just amazin, i've been teaching noobs to use it all week
[03:59] <holycow2> they love it
[03:59] <stdin> you can do "sudo invoke-rc.d <service> <action>"
[03:59] <secleinteer> Jay-Oh-En: don't know, i've never used it. there's also kolourpaint, if you want something simpler, similar to M$ paint
[03:59] <Jay-Oh-En> holycow2: im so good in it
[03:59] <Qrawl> stdin, me?
[03:59] <secleinteer> holycow2: gimp is weird :D
[03:59] <Jay-Oh-En> secleinteer: i want something more along the lines of photoshop
[03:59] <stdin> Qrawl: no, you can post the output of "sudo apt-get -f install" to pastebin though
[03:59] <holycow2> Jay-Oh-En isn't it amazing when you can just run around in gimp without thinking how you did it? then when someone asks you how you did it you haveto think?
[03:59] <zetheroo> nixternal: but is there any documentation on the subject of which cards work and which do not etc?
[03:59] <secleinteer> Jay-Oh-En: well krita should be ok for most purposes
[04:00] <holycow2> the zen of gimp! lol :)
[04:00] <Qrawl> stdin, ok
[04:00] <holycow2> Jay-Oh-En oh you mean, your NOT good in it?
[04:00] <Jay-Oh-En> holycow2: yeah i hate having to explain it
[04:00] <nixternal> zetheroo: if there is, I haven't looked into it...but if you find something, please point me in that direction as well so I can get the effects working on my desktop
[04:00] <nixternal> kde4 works perfectly on radeon drivers, it just doesn't kick in the effects
[04:00] <Jay-Oh-En> holycow2: i am good in gimp
[04:00] <holycow2> oh i didn't understand your hpotoshop comment
[04:01] <holycow2> i want gimp to move as far away from ps as possible
[04:01] <Jay-Oh-En> holycow2: why
[04:01] <holycow2> its problem is that its so close to ps but not exactly 100% that users have a problem transposing their skills
[04:01] <holycow2> they get confused
[04:01] <holycow2> they think 'oh just like photoshop, everything i know should work'
[04:01] <holycow2> and it can't
[04:01] <Jay-Oh-En> secleinteer: krita looks like a kids programs
[04:01] <eatThisAndDie> hmmm... just found out that 'service' is available in debian-helper-scripts package
[04:01] <Qrawl> stdin, that seems to be working
[04:02] <secleinteer> Jay-Oh-En: it's the best there is :D
[04:02] <stdin> nixternal: tried with XRender (kwin composite that is)?
[04:02] <nixternal> I have never used PS, so I guess I am lucky...I just know Gimp, and it actually makes me look like I know what I am doing with very limited skills or know-how
[04:02] <nixternal> stdin: no I haven't
[04:02] <secleinteer> Jay-Oh-En: if you really want all the features of photoshop, it won't happen
[04:02] <eatThisAndDie> apparently in kubuntu, if there is a program tat is available in the package but i dont have it then it shows me where to get it from.
[04:02] <holycow2> nixternal actually you are VERY lucky
[04:02] <holycow2> i've taught gimp to ps users
[04:02] <nixternal> I use KDE 4 on my Intel setup...it just works and it works flawlessly
[04:02] <stdin> nixternal: it works great on my lowly intel chip :)
[04:02] <nixternal> hehe, yup
[04:02] <holycow2> its a huge problem, once they learn ps they have one hell of a hard time learning anything else
[04:02] <secleinteer> Jay-Oh-En: you might be interested in http://www.fsckin.com/2007/10/29/how-to-run-microsoft-outlook-natively-on-linux-using-virtualbox/ in that case
[04:02] <secleinteer> Jay-Oh-En: it says it's for outlook, but works for anything
[04:02] <holycow2> ps is like a brain lobotomy for graphic designers it seems to me, its a eird thing
[04:03] <secleinteer> except games
[04:04] <julian> Does anyone know where is the kubuntu gutsy release with kde 4.0?
[04:04] <Jay-Oh-En> secleinteer , holycow2, i dont im just saying i used to be pro in photoshop making websites blah blah blah you name it i did it but in gimp its giving me problems because i used to be so good and used to ps that its hard for me to learn a new program but im still 100 percent better then all of my friends in gimp
[04:04] <eatThisAndDie> is kde 4 available already? i thought it was still in  RC?
[04:05] <stdin> eatThisAndDie: 4.0.0 is due today
[04:05] <julian> because kubuntu hardy alpha3 comes with it!!!!!!!!!
[04:05] <wesley> stdin will there come a live cd out from gutsy with kde4 ?
[04:05] <holycow2> Jay-Oh-En thats what i mean
[04:05] <julian> it is avaliable riagt now!!
[04:05] <holycow2> ps users cannot learn new apps
[04:05] <secleinteer> Jay-Oh-En: well gimp is the closest you'll get in terms of featureset compared to photoshop
[04:05] <holycow2> its a huge problem for them
[04:05] <stdin> wesley: there will
[04:05] <holycow2> i can take a noob from 0 to 80 in no time flat tho
[04:05] <stdin> julian: no it doesn't
[04:06] <wesley> stdin just like the kde3 version wich we can set to harddisk?
[04:06] <julian> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha3/Kubuntu#head-a59c16f0f8d513281c6cc655a4adc998a1f98997
[04:06] <stdin> wesley: should be
[04:06] <wesley> okay
[04:06] <stdin> Jucato: that doesn't sat it will come with it by default
[04:07] <stdin> julian:  that doesn't sat it will come with it by default
[04:07] <stdin> not Jucato :p
[04:07] <hagabaka> something's wrong with my kdesudo...it looks like a not-responding window, but it accepts keyboard input after a lag. and the OK Cancel buttons don't display. has anyone else had that issue?
[04:07] <jcsgkfyiji> I am attempting to write a shell script to automate the installation of a bunch of stuff on new systems so I don't need to do it manually. I am not sure how, or if this is possible, is there a way to take input form a command, for instance if I want to run hostname and then use the output form hostname as a wildcard, ive been googling and all i can figure out is how to take input form the user.
[04:07] <eatThisAndDie> ok, another thing. is there anyhing like chkconfig on ubuntu?
[04:08] <wesley> only kdepim-kde4 got a break
[04:08] <stdin> eatThisAndDie: what does it do?
[04:08] <julian> "KDE 4.0.0 was released on January 11th and promptly packaged for both Hardy Heron and the Gutsy Gibbon"
[04:08] <Jay-Oh-En> will kde4 work with my machine
[04:08] <eatThisAndDie> sets programs that runs on different runlevels
[04:08] <stdin> julian: and what part of that says "and will be installed by default" ?
[04:08] <eatThisAndDie> (ckconfig that is)
[04:08] <Jay-Oh-En> julian: todays the 10th
[04:08] <stdin> !bum
[04:08] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[04:09] <stdin> julian: that will do it ^
[04:09] <eatThisAndDie> thanks stdin
[04:09] <stdin> julian: so no default kde4 for you, not yet anyway
[04:10] <eatThisAndDie> dude.... typing 'man bum' is JUST so wrong.
[04:10] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: how do you figure out if kde4 will work for you
[04:10] <genii> eatThisAndDie: Since on ubuntu runlevels 2 thru 5 are the same now it doesn't seem to matter much about setting them
[04:10] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: try it and see, that's about the only way
[04:10] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: will it ruin my computer?
[04:10] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: does kde3?
[04:10] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: thats if it doesnt work
[04:11] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: no
[04:11] <stdin> then neither will kde4 ruin it :)
[04:11] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: is it full version now , not the beta?
[04:12] <genii> rc=release candidate beta= pre release candidate version
[04:12] <stdin> it's the 1st release, but no one is saying it's not bug free. it's considered "stable enough for now"
[04:12] <burner> can anyone seed hardy alpha 3?  i have 1 peer for 8kpbs currently
[04:12] <stdin> until 4.1.0 comes out
[04:12] <eatThisAndDie> genii: it is? I'll probably set runlevel 3 and 4 to not have X though,
[04:13] <genii> eatThisAndDie: Yes, 2 thru 5 are all now equiv to 3
[04:13] <eatThisAndDie> i see i'm at runlevel 2, thats the default then
[04:13] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin:  are you going to run it?
[04:13] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: I have it open in anther display now
[04:14] <genii> eatThisAndDie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel#Debian_Linux
[04:14] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: any bugs for you?
[04:14] <wesley> meta pack kde4 not ready?
[04:14] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: not yet, but I need to dive it fully to seee
[04:14] <burner> i thought i heard alpha 3 had kde4 in it
[04:15] <stdin> wesley:  3.1~gutsy1~ppa1 should be out
[04:15] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: whats the package to install
[04:15] <eatThisAndDie> genii: yeah i remember that now... my debian had to be manually config'd, i just assumed it was like that cuz i installed it from the netinst CD
[04:15] <wesley> it says break
[04:15] <stdin> wesley: I suggest "kde4-core" over "kde4" for now
[04:15] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: you'll just have to install "kde4-core" and it'll pull everything you need
[04:16] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: once i go to kde4 will i be able to go back to kde3
[04:16] <wesley> ive misspelled something in konsple
[04:16] <genii> bbiab, need to change sessions
[04:16] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: E: Couldn't find package kde4-core
[04:16] <wesley> ive i installe kde4-core will i have everthing?
[04:17] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: yes, you'll have kde4 and kde3 installed, your kde3 install will be untouched. It's not "officially" released yet, just wait
[04:17] <stdin> wesley: you'll have a functioning kde4 desktop with it, there are other packages splattered about too. browse adept
[04:17] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: should i update my computer to see if they added the package? or is that not the case
[04:18] <wesley> i have my line already only misspelled
[04:18] <julian> burner: I heard the same thing
[04:18] <heatmzzr> hello all
[04:18] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: they will be in a special repository while then drip into gutsy-backports, but you'll have to install separately. it won't update kde3
[04:18] <heatmzzr> this kde IS pretty cool
[04:19] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: im sorry but i didnt understand that sentence lol
[04:19] <burner> julian: i'm downloading, but the torrent is painful right now
[04:20] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: anyways will i be notified when kde4 is released?
[04:20] <heatmzzr> does kubuntu automatically update like ubuntu does?
[04:20] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: if you have RC2 installed then you'll get notified of updates. if not then there will be install instructions in the topic (when it's out)
[04:20] <genii> Nice. Just logged into first kde4 session since I gave up on it for a while.
[04:20]  * genii tinkers
[04:20] <wesley> j
[04:21] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: thats all i needed to here thanks
[04:21] <wesley> stdin are you not tirred
[04:21] <stdin> wesley: all the time :)
[04:21] <Downix> ugh, I hate autogenerated code
[04:21] <stdin> I do my best work half-asleep
[04:22] <jerware> hi
[04:22] <burner> heatmzzr: sure does
[04:22] <jerware> does anyone know how to get surf the web with firefox with the tor application ?
[04:22] <jerware> err plugin/module?
[04:22] <jerware> where do i get that module ?
[04:22] <heatmzzr> thanks burner
[04:23] <burner> sudo apt-get install tor?
[04:23] <wesley> thats cool you cann ship in april hardy with kde4
[04:23] <stdin> wesley: we hope so yes
[04:23] <wesley> ow mister miljonair must agree?
[04:23] <heatmzzr> was using ubuntu 7.1..... now running 8.04 kubuntu from cd.. thinking bout installing it. its got some features
[04:24] <wesley> 8.04 is not stable
[04:24] <calcmandan> hey guys.
[04:24] <heatmzzr> wesley, not?
[04:24] <burner> jerware: also, there's a package for teh tor extension for firefox in apt
[04:24] <stdin> !+1
[04:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 1 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:24] <calcmandan> anyone havfe a link to all the open fonts provided in kubuntu?  i have ms ttf's loaded in my box and need to pick one that is open for a project
[04:24] <stdin> !ubuntu+1
[04:24] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[04:24] <burner> heatmzzr: not.. it's only january 2008, wait for april
[04:24] <jerware> yes i have tor installed according to apt.  but i cant find the firefox tor interface in apt-cache search tor | grep firefox
[04:25] <stdin> except it's not LTS...
[04:25] <julian> heatmzzr:  Does it come with kde 4.0?
[04:25] <snarkster> when is KDE4 going to be released?
[04:25] <burner> jerware: sudo apt-get install torbutton-extension
[04:25] <stdin> snarkster: today
[04:25] <ardchoille> stdin: Is Ubuntu 8.04 going to be LTS but not Kubuntu 8.04?
[04:25] <heatmzzr> dont know, where do i go to find out for ya julian?
[04:25] <burner> ardchoille: correct
[04:25] <stdin> ardchoille: yeah, Ubuntu (gnome) will, Kubuntu (KDE) will not
[04:25] <ardchoille> Ah
[04:25] <ardchoille> Thanks
[04:26] <wesley> the support is long enough lol
[04:26] <julian> whatever app, in a help menu
[04:26] <calcmandan> 1 more day until kde 4
[04:26] <snarkster> awesome
[04:26] <burner> i wonder, is the alpha 3 iso using a kde 4 daily snapshot?
[04:27] <jerware> crap it's not in feisty
[04:27] <wesley> its already fryday here
[04:27] <wesley> stdin where do you live germany?
[04:27] <heatmzzr> So your saying if i want to run kde, use 7.10 instead of this 8.04
[04:27] <stdin> wesley: no, UK
[04:28] <wesley> ow so you have it 04.28
[04:28] <stdin> heatmzzr: 8.04 isn't out yet
[04:28] <stdin> wesley: yep
[04:28] <heatmzzr> what did i download then
[04:28] <stdin> the alpha3 probably
[04:29] <Jay-Oh-En> heatmzzr: haha
[04:29] <julian> the alpha 3 was released
[04:29] <wesley> from rc is stable
[04:29] <burner> heatmzzr: version numbers represent the date... 7.10 was released 2007.november.  8.04 will be released 2008.april
[04:29] <stdin> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/gutsy/ < get the stable release
[04:29] <burner> heatmzzr: hence, after april, 8.04 will be stable, until then, 7.10 is your bet
[04:30] <wesley> burner RC,S are most times very stable
[04:30]  * burner shrugs
[04:31] <heatmzzr> gotcha, yeah looked at website again, says alpha3
[04:31] <burner> i won't debate the finer points
[04:31] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> burner, wow didnt know that cool
[04:31] <stdin> wesley, burner: alpha3 is not a RC
[04:31] <heatmzzr> first experience with KDE, I like the look of it so far
[04:31] <wesley> i know
[04:31] <snarkster> KDE is awesome
[04:32] <wesley> i try alpha 2 and its not stable
[04:32]  * burner has only been playing in virtual machines so far
[04:32] <stdin> I'm running hardy, it's definitely not stable at all :)
[04:32] <wesley> but one side point kopete is useable in live modus
[04:32] <burner> i'm very excited about kde4 though
[04:32] <snarkster> i tried the rc2 and somethings didnt work well, but it looked awesome
[04:33] <heatmzzr> wesley, i've only used linux a short time. doubt i could use enough of this thing to make it unstable..lol
[04:34] <snarkster> unstable means unstable
[04:34] <heatmzzr> i downloaded 7.1 too so if i decide to keep kde, ill load it
[04:34] <wesley> in windows means stable unstable
[04:35] <heatmzzr> wesley, win performance til apr...eh lol
[04:35] <thomas_newbie__> why do i have 2 passwords working for sudo ?
[04:35] <Skyblast> I dunno how I feel abotu KDE4... it looks great, but is gonna be missing quite a bit
[04:35] <Skyblast> Compared to the vast array of stuff for 3.5
[04:35] <snarkster> only at first
[04:35] <Skyblast> True, but still
[04:35] <wesley> kde3 apps full the missing parts
[04:35] <thomas_newbie__> how does that work!
[04:35] <burner> i'm hoping kontact will finally compete with evolution in connecting to exchange
[04:35] <snarkster> doesnt kde3 apps work in kde 4
[04:36] <Skyblast> Yeah they do
[04:36] <stdin> if you have the kde3 libs
[04:36] <Skyblast> I just mean a true Qt4 experience ;)
[04:36] <wesley> kde3 apps work in kde4 and kde4 apps in kde3
[04:36] <stdin> if you have the libs
[04:36] <craig> hi
[04:36] <stdin> !hi
[04:36] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[04:36] <burner> w00t, all kinds of torrenters now
[04:37] <craig> any babes here
[04:37] <sub[t]rnl> heh
[04:37] <wesley> not many babes use linux am i wrong ?
[04:37] <thomas_newbie__> sub[t]rnl: is a babe
[04:37] <ardchoille> craig: That is not acceptable in this channel
[04:37] <snarkster> yes I am. Im wearing my thong just for you honey
[04:37] <thomas_newbie__> snarkster: haha
[04:37] <snarkster> now shut the F up
[04:38] <Skyblast> Ask for babes in #kubuntu-offtopic ;P
[04:38] <burner> lol, good call
[04:38] <snarkster> so tomorrow will there be any packages available in the repo
[04:38] <snarkster> kde4 packages
[04:38] <burner> snarkster: keep an eye on www.kubuntu.org and i bet you'll see a notice
[04:38] <snarkster> thank yoyu
[04:38] <thomas_newbie__> guys is it possible to have 2 passwords working for 'sudo'?
[04:39] <burner> not that i know of Th
[04:39] <biovore> 2 passwords?  you mean 2 users?
[04:39] <thomas_newbie__> because i did 'passwd sudo'
[04:39] <thomas_newbie__> biovore: entered new password
[04:39] <thomas_newbie__> biovore: and both old and new work
[04:40] <burner> sudo uses your users password, not the password of a user called "sudo"
[04:40] <burner> that said, i've never tried what you said
[04:40] <thomas_newbie__> burner: wait i did 'sudo passwd' what does that do?
[04:41] <burner> sets the password for root
[04:41] <ardchoille> thomas_newbie__: That enables the root account and is neither supported nor necessary
[04:41] <genii> There is a user called sudo, ppl
[04:41] <biovore> thomas_newbie__: that changes the root password.. :-/
[04:42] <stdin> genii: there's a group, but no user
[04:42] <thomas_newbie__> yikes didn't mean to do that
[04:42] <thomas_newbie__> ardchoille: so how to undo :S
[04:42] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: "sudo passwd -dl root" will clear the password again
[04:43] <ardchoille> !sudo | thomas_newbie__
[04:43] <ubotu> thomas_newbie__: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:43] <genii> stdin: Weird, on mine there is
[04:43] <stdin> "grep sudo /etc/passwd" shows nothing
[04:43] <posingaspopular> how do I shuffle through my amarok library... without loading 30 + gigs into the queue manager
[04:44] <genii> stdin: Is it posible "passwd <groupname> when no username exists sets passwd foe entire group? This does not seem sane....
[04:44] <stdin> afaik groups can't have passwords
[04:44] <stdin> passwd: unknown user sudo
[04:45] <RedDemon> I am trying to load a program through wine that requires directx, any idea how I would implement it
[04:46] <stdin> not sure, perhaps ask in #winehq
[04:46] <thomas_newbie__> the thing i don't understand is that if you have sudo, root priveleges, you can do whatever root can do :S
[04:46] <burner> RedDemon: check out wine-doors
[04:46] <RedDemon> Thanks stdin
[04:47] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: that's the whole point of sudo
[04:47] <thomas_newbie__> so i guess 2 different users like mike and martin can have different passwords but both be part of sudo with same privelges
[04:47] <stdin> lets you preform actions as root without having to be root
[04:47] <burner> it's like being in teh "administrator" group on windows
[04:47] <burner> but cooler
[04:48] <stdin> yeah, there is no root password (also no root pass to crack)
[04:48] <stdin> users can also be selectively allowed to only run specific commands with sudo, so it's even more secure
[04:48] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: in that case you have to crack the users' passwords to get root access right?
[04:49] <genii> eg: disallowing use of command: sudo passwd                       for instance
[04:49] <stdin> you have to crack a users password that you know also has access to sudo
[04:49] <posingaspopular> Jucato: ping? [22:45] <posingaspopular> how can I shuffle through all my amarok songs without loading all of them in a playlist? if at all
[04:49] <ardchoille> thomas_newbie__: But inorder to do that, you'd need the username of the user account :)
[04:49] <stdin> and you have to know the username first
[04:49] <Jucato> posingaspopular: um.. I'd have to say.... I don't know :(
[04:49] <stdin> #amarok ?
[04:50] <burner> posingaspopular: use the collections thing and just double click all songs or whatever to load all your tracks in a playlist
[04:50] <thomas_newbie__> yea...and if that user has a weaky password....OMG the system is pucked
[04:50] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: only if you know the user has sudo access, and if you do then you should set a decent password anyway
[04:50] <stdin> same as if root had a easy pass
[04:51] <stdin> more power == more need to make sure you are who you say you are
[04:51] <posingaspopular> yea i figured it out
[04:51] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: so in that case this has made me believe that i should make my home user account password stronger than it is :S
[04:51] <posingaspopular> just get 50 random tracks
[04:52] <posingaspopular> should go through yuor collection and pull enough out at a time
[04:52] <wesley> why cant i sign in to msn with the kde4 kopete ??
[04:52] <burner> and use dynamic playlisting with random tracks :)
[04:52] <Potato-[CE]> do you know if conky will work with kde4.0?
[04:52] <burner> wesley: is there a #kubuntu+1 or #kde4?
[04:53] <stdin> there is a #kde and an #ubuntu+1
[04:53] <genii> stdin: Don't forget #kubuntu-devel
[04:53] <stdin> that's not so much of a support channel as #ubuntu+1 is
[04:54] <genii> Yes, true
[04:54] <stdin> but we're nice in there so we don't mind most times, but try asking a support question in #ubuntu-devel and see what happens ;)
[04:56] <hydrogen> posingaspopular: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Dynamic_Playlist_Walkthrough
[04:56] <hydrogen> dynamic playlists are pretty awesome
[04:57] <jerware> i have the tor button installed.  but im still not routing through the tor network.
[04:58] <jerware> i thought going through  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2464  would set everything up for me.
[05:00] <JohnnyNoBueno> good evening
[05:00] <JohnnyNoBueno> any savvy ubunteros about?
[05:01] <hydrogen> no such thing!
[05:04] <holycanoly> helloooo kde4(whatever rc)
[05:05] <holycanoly> i think i can totally live with any incompleteness interface wise
[05:05] <holycanoly> this is looking and feeling terrific
[05:06] <holycanoly> just gotta figure out how to create launchers manually
[05:07]  * burner claims savvyness
[05:07] <hrisi> alguien que hable español????
[05:08] <hydrogen> !es | hrisi
[05:08] <ubotu> hrisi: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[05:09] <hrisi> ok, gracias
[05:09] <holycanoly> only one tiny kde design error i still see spilling over
[05:09] <holycanoly> kde menues are not designed for anythin less than 1024x769
[05:09] <holycanoly> 768
[05:10] <burner> de nada mi amigo!
[05:10] <burner> :)
[05:10]  * burner desires 800x480 support
[05:11] <biovore> screen resolution of 800x480?
[05:11] <burner> i have an eeepc
[05:11] <biovore> It can do it..
[05:11] <biovore> have to manualy edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:12] <burner> what can do it?
[05:12] <burner> i have ubuntu running
[05:12] <biovore> it can do 800x480
[05:12] <burner> i just have to alt+drag dialogs around, it sucks
[05:12] <biovore> the windows are designed for 1024x768 unfortionaly though..
[05:12] <burner> which sucks donkey nards
[05:13] <hydrogen> i don't see that support coming any time soon..
[05:13] <biovore> basicly...  the Eee PC wasn't really designed to run kde or gnome..
[05:13] <hydrogen> I think kde's HIG says design for 800x600
[05:13] <biovore> it ment to run custom OSes..
[05:13] <hydrogen> though it might be 640x480
[05:13] <bazhang> burner: there is a channel #eeepc you know
[05:13] <biovore> 800x600 I think is the min
[05:22] <ibilic> is KDE4 buggy?
[05:22] <hydrogen> maybe?
[05:22] <ibilic> also, if I wanted to install gnome, what would I do?
[05:22] <hydrogen> shoot yourself?
[05:22] <hydrogen> i mean
[05:22] <hydrogen> install ubuntu-desktop
[05:22] <ibilic> and how would I select it?
[05:22] <hydrogen> from the login manage
[05:22] <ibilic> I have kubunutu now
[05:22] <hydrogen> theres a butotn
[05:22] <hydrogen> to choose the session
[05:23]  * Jucato points ibilic to http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174
[05:27] <sigma_1234> has kde4 final been packaged yet?
[05:27] <burner> not that i've heard, i'm sure www.kubuntu.org will hve the news as soon as it's ready
[05:28] <holycanoly> yeah i need 800x480 support as well
[05:28] <holycanoly> i have a umpc running full kde
[05:28] <sigma_1234> i thought the devs got it before the official release
[05:28] <holycanoly> its great but all the dialogs really need to  be in windowed types environments
[05:29] <holycanoly> you just cant get away from strange resolutions because of all the new super small devices comming out
[05:29] <jerware> i installed the firefox tor button successfully according to the following link.  but my web traffic is still not routing through the tor network.   http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-tor-to-surf-anonymously-in-ubuntu-feisty-with-firefox.html
[05:29] <ibilic> adept crashed
[05:29] <ardchoille> !fixadept
[05:29] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[05:32] <burner> stdin: i see you were thanked for making kde4 on gutsy happened... so i thank you as well
[05:36] <AmyRose> fuser?
[05:37] <adamonline45> Is there some sort of guide on using KDE4?  It seems to be different than your typical desktop; such as the desktop icons all being considered widgets, and what not...
[05:37] <AmyRose> !kde4
[05:37] <ubotu> kde4 is KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://tinyurl.com/2gqwmr - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[05:37]  * Jucato wished we can link more than just to wikipedia for more info soon...
[05:38] <genii> Jucato: This one is interesting http://francis.giannaros.org/blog/2007/12/03/kde4-desktop-effects-kwin-composite-video-tour/
[05:38]  * AmyRose is listening to MIDI files on her cell phone because FluidSynth sucks and Timidity's patch set is incomplete
[05:38] <Jucato> AmyRose: ouch :/
[05:38] <Jay-Oh-En> jerware: what about in gutsy will tor work?
[05:39] <Jucato> hm.. come to think of it, I never got MIDI to work except in timidity... never in kmid...
[05:39] <AmyRose> Jucato: I have a hard time finding that eawpats set
[05:39] <Jucato> genii: thanks. (although I was referring to the link from the !kde4 factoid)
[05:40] <AmyRose> everybody seems to think FluidSynth is the greatest thing ever, when it seems to have horrible problems with desynching
[05:40]  * genii thinks about switching back from the decaf
[05:40] <AmyRose> My cell phone is great for playing MIDI though
[05:40] <Jucato> genii: you? decaf? O.o
[05:40]  * AmyRose drinks decaf tea
[05:40] <genii> Jucato: j/k :)
[05:41] <adamonline45> I had Compiz and KControl installed in KDE 3, now in 4 those things still seem to be the same.  I was hoping for a fresh KDE installation.  What can I do to get my KDE4 into a stock configuration?
[05:41] <burner> can anything really be great if it plays MIDI?
[05:41] <AmyRose> Jucato: I actually did manage to find eawpats somewhere, but I just saved the deb
[05:41] <Jucato> oh...
[05:41] <burner> now NSF audio on the other hand, killer!
[05:41] <genii> Jucato: I have to stop coffee about 2 hours before I need to sleep which was an hour ago now.... so lacking caffeine slightly
[05:41] <Jucato> burner: a lot of music composer apps use MIDI
[05:41] <AmyRose> burner: Tell the amarok devs to support it!
[05:41] <Jucato> like piano apps
[05:42] <Jucato> genii: :P
[05:42] <maduser> great, got my nes mp3 palyer to work with kubuntu
[05:42] <burner> isn't there just a backend that amarok uses... gstreamer or xine?  wouldn't it be beneficial to ask gstreamer or xine devs to support midi?
[05:42] <AmyRose> I do have Timidity configured and running as a daemon, but it seems to lag the system, and I like the way my cell phone sounds with MIDI
[05:42] <AmyRose> burner: They don't care.
[05:43] <AmyRose> I've tried
[05:43] <burner> but they are the ones that control what amarok plays
[05:43] <burner> not amarok itself
[05:43] <burner> ever use audacious?  it can play midi right?
[05:43] <AmyRose> burner: They tell me to contact ffmpeg, and ffmpeg tells me to contact xine
[05:43] <hagabaka> i hate the configuration file updates
[05:43] <AmyRose> burner: I'm an Audacious user myself for that reason, and its NSF support
[05:44] <hagabaka> i wish there was something to intelligently merge the updates to my customization
[05:44] <burner> it has NSF support?!?!?  i'm searching apt
[05:45] <burner> i bet i didn't have -ugly
[05:46] <maduser> Hey is there any way to make a video the desktop backround?
[05:46] <AmyRose> burner: try this repo: http://morgoth.free.fr
[05:46] <AmyRose> it will give you the latest and it has nsf support
[05:46] <genii> maduser: I've done it before with animated gif but was horrible
[05:47] <burner> thanks AmyRose, i'll try it out
[05:47] <burner> i'm excited for the new audacious
[05:47] <adamonline45> How do I add a folder in Konqueror?
[05:47] <AmyRose> Jucato: I can't believe you forgot to mention Rosegarden, KDE's very own MIDI sequencer
[05:47] <AmyRose> one of KDE's killer apps
[05:48] <Jucato> AmyRose: I was about to... but I switched my focus on other channels
[05:48] <Jucato> it was written in my text input field already
[05:48] <AmyRose> Jucato: I've seen lots of GNOME users really peeved that it was a KDE program
[05:49] <Onyx> how do i turn off grouping of similar taskbar icons in KDE?
[05:49] <AmyRose> Onyx: Right-click the taskbar, click Configure Panel
[05:49] <AmyRose> Onyx: Then click Taskbar and you'll find the setting
[05:49] <Onyx> AmyRose: Ahhh, freedom.
[05:49] <Onyx> thank you.
[05:49] <AmyRose> You're welcome
[05:49] <eatThisAndDie>  guys: i have added /opt/php/bin o $PATH but sudo php doesnt work. Any suggestions?
[05:49] <Jucato> AmyRose:  and so they fight back with naming K3-D and Kino? :)
[05:50] <AmyRose> I hate that setting myself
[05:50] <AmyRose> Jucato: I don't know.
[05:50] <AmyRose> Jucato: But how the heck did Gwenview and Gwenrename end up being KDE apps?
[05:50] <Onyx> AmyRose: Yeah, it's quite annoying... makes task switching slower IMO :)
[05:50] <Jucato> AmyRose: hehe :)
[05:52] <max_> how can i install ubuntu studio form an instialation of kubuntu?
[05:53] <ardchoille> max_: /join #ubuntustudio
[05:53] <Onyx> Yet another KDE newbie question... how can I load my own widget style?
[05:54] <Onyx> I'm already looking at the Appearance/Styles screen
[05:54] <max_> ardchoille: no one is alive in there
[05:54] <ardchoille> max_: Regardless, that's where suport for it is. not here
[05:56] <genii> max_: Look in your package manager for app called ubuntustudio-desktop
[05:56] <hagabaka> will there be a supported kde4 package for gutsy?
[05:56] <max_> genii:  thanks
[05:56] <jerware> Jay-Oh-En: im not using gutsy
[05:57] <jerware> im using feisty
[05:57] <jerware> the tor button is not working.
[05:58] <Jay-Oh-En> jerware: does it work on gutsy ?
[05:58] <jerware> i never tried gutsy
[05:58] <jerware> i cant afford to install it at the moement.
[05:59] <jerware> since i dont have an other device to back up my files.
[06:00]  * burner would just go for it, backup be damned ;)
[06:09] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i kill a process
[06:10] <burner> kill processid
[06:10] <burner> or killall processname
[06:10] <burner> i.e. killall firefox-bin
[06:10] <Jay-Oh-En> htop
[06:10] <Jay-Oh-En> oops
[06:11] <Jay-Oh-En> thanks
[06:12] <burner> you can kill it with htop too
[06:12] <koshaboi> Does anyone know when KDE4 FINAL will on the repositories?
[06:12] <burner> nope
[06:13] <bazhang> that will be a big download I'd guess :}
[06:13] <stdin> koshaboi: as soon as KDE 4.0.0 is released by kde.org
[06:13] <koshaboi> I have KDE RC2 right now but like have of it doesn't even seem to work
[06:13] <koshaboi> so I'm hoping that the final release will be better
[06:14]  * Jucato points koshaboi to http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174
[06:18] <Jay-Oh-En> http://paulsdigitalworld.blogspot.com/2008/01/complete-ubuntu-speed-up-tweak-guide.html would this guide work for me?
[06:26] <Onyx> How do I use *.kth files?
[06:26] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: my comments: 1) to #3 don't do "vm.swappiness=0" < it's evil, 2) to #6 don't remove TTYs, you may well regret it, 3) to #15 hdparm doesn't really do anything any more. the rest is either gnome related or should be "ok" ("ok" meaning it shouldn't break anything, but be careful on #2 and #4 or it may)
[06:27] <Jay-Oh-En> ok
[06:27] <Jay-Oh-En> thanks
[06:27] <Jay-Oh-En> i thought i was ignored
[06:27] <Jay-Oh-En> obviously not
[06:27] <Jay-Oh-En> :]
[06:28] <stdin> I had to actually read it you know :p
[06:28] <Jay-Oh-En> yeah
[06:28] <Jay-Oh-En> and thanks
[06:28] <Jay-Oh-En> i did already do vm.swappiness=0
[06:29] <Jay-Oh-En> so i should delete that?
[06:29] <jussi01> !enter
[06:29] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: yes, the kernal will manage the value better than any human can
[06:29] <Jay-Oh-En> lol ok
[06:30] <jussi01> hmmm, what happened to the bot?
[06:30] <stdin> ubotu: ping
[06:30] <ubotu> pong
[06:30] <stdin> !enter
[06:30] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[06:30] <stdin> he listens to me at least :)
[06:30] <jussi01> ubotu: test
[06:30] <ubotu> Failed.
[06:30] <jussi01> me, just had a bad minute
[06:31] <stdin> it may have been updating it's database just at the moment you tried to access it, bad timing
[06:31] <Jay-Oh-En> jussi01: you could have just said use puncuation lol
[06:31] <jussi01> yeah, could be
[06:31] <stdin> s/updating/flushing/
[06:31] <EddieDee> is kde4 ready?
[06:31] <jussi01> EddieDee: no, its still rc2
[06:31] <adamonline45> Uh oh, I just hard-rebooted my machine because Amarok was stuck, twitching, and now I don't see my taskbar... How do I re-enable it?  I already tried a restart...  Oh, KDE 4 here...
[06:31] <Jay-Oh-En> god i cant spell :[
[06:31] <stdin> EddieDee: does it say it's ready on kde.org or kubuntu.org ?
[06:32] <carlos> someone have freeze problem in gutsy amd64
[06:32] <stdin> adamonline45: try Alt-F2 and put in "kicker"
[06:32] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: what do you think of this one
[06:33] <carlos> gnome
[06:33] <stdin> 1) *never* take advice from anything that tells you to do "sudo kate", it's wrong in soooooooooooo many ways
[06:34] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: kdesu
[06:34] <stdin> yes, but that site says "sudo" and so the author is plane dumb
[06:34] <Jay-Oh-En> lol
[06:34] <adamonline45> stdin: Ahh, it said krunner crashed, and brought... get this... my old KDE3 taskbar up! :O  I'm getting a lot of KDE3 stuff that wants to be persistent, do you know how I can just make this KDE4 a pure install, without it trying to load all my KDE3 colors and settings?
[06:34] <jussi01> Hmmm, Im having issues with openoffice loosing all window borders and not being functional when compiz is running, anyone know how to fix this?
[06:34] <Jay-Oh-En> so dont even use that?
[06:35] <Jay-Oh-En> jussi01: i had that too
[06:35] <jussi01> carlos: if you are using gnome, you need to be in #ubuntu
[06:35] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: it's mostly a re-write of the other one, you don't need to do anything to speed things up. linux isn't designed to be bloated and slow
[06:35] <Jay-Oh-En> jussi01: i uninstalled openoffice and installed kubuntu-desktop and it updated it and it worked for me again
[06:36] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: ok
[06:36] <stdin> adamonline45: best advice is to run kde4 as another user, eg: kde4
[06:36] <adamonline45> stdin: That sounds like a good plan 8)  Thanks!
[06:37] <carlos> i am using kubuntu, i have did try ubuntu...
[06:37] <appelza> any kde4.0 final live cd's yet?
[06:37] <appelza> I know its soon :]
[06:37] <jussi01> appelza: /topic
[06:37] <stdin> appelza: does it say KDE 4.0 is ready on kde.org or kubuntu.org ?
[06:38] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: no
[06:38] <appelza> its been tagged in svn for more than a week now :p
[06:38] <stdin> then it's not out it is :)
[06:38] <stdin> tagged != released
[06:38] <appelza> ok then
[06:38] <Jay-Oh-En> jussi01: did you try what i suggested?
[06:38] <stdin> tagged just means "no changes unless they are needed" not "no changed, it's released"
[06:39] <jussi01> Jay-Oh-En: getting there... I ran off for a sec
[06:39] <Jay-Oh-En> ok jussi01
[06:39] <Jay-Oh-En> did i mention i purged ?
[06:41] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: what about swiftfox
[06:41] <Jay-Oh-En> ?
[06:42] <stdin> swiftfox is evil, don't use it
[06:42] <stdin> the author is evil and doen't like freedom
[06:43] <stdin> I think it may technically illegal too (because the author breaks the MPL)
[06:44] <Jay-Oh-En> why not use it?
[06:44] <stdin> for the reasons I've stated above :)
[06:44] <Jay-Oh-En> lol nice but why are those reasons not to use
[06:45] <Jay-Oh-En> and do you know any good text to speach programs?
[06:45] <stdin> 1) the author is evil and doen't like freedom, 2) it may technically illegal too (because the author breaks the MPL)
[06:45] <stdin> ktts is a text-to-speech app
[06:45] <Jay-Oh-En> thanks
[06:45] <stdin> !info kttsd
[06:45] <ubotu> kttsd: a Text-to-Speech system for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1948 kB, installed size 4012 kB
[06:46] <Jay-Oh-En> what is a light browser then?
[06:46] <stdin> konqueror :)
[06:47] <Jay-Oh-En> thats still slow when i have five tabs open
[06:47] <stdin> or elinks/links/links2/w3m if you want really light
[06:47] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: elinks does tabs
[06:47] <Jay-Oh-En> where can i get those in repos?
[06:47] <stdin> they text based terminal browsers
[06:47] <ardchoille> !info elinks
[06:47] <ubotu> elinks: advanced text-mode WWW browser. In component main, is optional. Version 0.11.1-1.5ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 611 kB, installed size 3340 kB
[06:47] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: But, elinks is a text brwoser
[06:47] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: lol no i dont want that light ardchoille
[06:48] <Jay-Oh-En> too light for me
[06:48] <stdin> konqueror is lighter than FF and swiftfox
[06:48] <Jay-Oh-En> i like some gui
[06:48] <stdin> just stop opening 50 tabs at once, ok :)
[06:48] <jussi01> are there any other alternatives than konq?
[06:48] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: 5 not 50
[06:48] <ardchoille> I use konq when in x, it's fast and responsive.. but I turned off ipv6 to speed things up
[06:49] <ardchoille> !ipv6
[06:49] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[06:49] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: if somebody could help me get plugins working correctly i might use konq
[06:50] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: konq uses mozilla/firefox plugins. Do you mean firefox extensions?
[06:50] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: no i mean like mplayer and stuff
[06:50] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: i can ever configure those correctly
[06:50] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: iirc, just install the mplayer plugin for ff and restart konq
[06:51] <Jay-Oh-En> iirc?
[06:51] <ardchoille> If I Remeber Correctly
[06:51] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: i mean it doesnt work correctly
[06:51] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: i learn someting everyday
[06:51] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: Me too
[06:51] <stephen> hello
[06:51] <Jay-Oh-En> lol
[06:53] <Jay-Oh-En> and i cant configure konq to make webpages look correct
[06:55] <Jay-Oh-En> for me ff is way faster i just tested that theory
[06:57] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin:
[06:58] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille:
[06:58] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En:
[06:58] <Jay-Oh-En> lol
[06:58] <adamonline45> Is there a default directory to put stuff that can be shared among all users of a computer?
[06:58] <Jay-Oh-En> did you read what i said
[06:58] <stdin> yes I did read it
[06:58] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: When did you turn off ipv6 to test?
[06:58] <stdin> adamonline45: no, but you can make one
[06:59] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: i turned that off right when i got linux
[06:59] <ardchoille> ok
[06:59] <adamonline45> stdin: How do I make it so everyone can read it?  Oh wait, I just totally noobed... don't tell anyone I asked that 8D
[07:00] <stdin> adamonline45: "sudo midir /share ; sudo chmod 777 /share" then everyone can read + write, for read only use "sudo chmod 766 /share"
[07:00] <stdin> or you can set a group up and give access that way, but that takes some thought and planning
[07:00] <genii> stdin: I prefer adding extra group of users to /etc/adduser and just chown :users
[07:00] <adamonline45> stdin: Thank you for the nice response :)
[07:01] <genii> adduser.conf
[07:01] <adamonline45> stdin: I thoguht of that, but I just need something simple... My main users (adam1 and adam2, so to speak) are set up that way...
[07:02] <stdin> adding users to groups to access shared data is more secure, if it's long-term or you regally double-click things that you don't know, you want the more secure way :p
[07:03] <adamonline45> Oh on that same note, is it possible to change user names?  I didn't see anything in adduser
[07:03] <genii> adamonline45: man usermod will give you info
[07:03] <phobos> witam
[07:04] <adamonline45> Thank you genii
[07:04] <stdin> system settings -> user management -> Administrator mode -> double click the name and change it :)
[07:04] <genii> adamonline45: Or the gui way stdin suggests :)
[07:04] <stdin> you can use that to setup groups and other things too
[07:06] <genii> adamonline45: Since I use not only kde I tend to give commandline way which is window-manager non specific
[07:07] <stdin> but this is Kubuntu and I've made a new channel rule: all must use KDE :p
[07:07] <kosha> Does anyone know why KDE su wouldn't work with the same password in KDE4 as in KDE3?
[07:08] <stdin> kosha: because we need to fix kdesu (KDE4) to work properly
[07:08] <genii> stdin: Booo!
[07:08]  * genii hides
[07:09] <kosha> And, is there a graphical way to re-enable Synaptic touchpad scrolling in Kubuntu Hardy?
[07:09] <stdin> hardy questions should be directed to #ubuntu+1
[07:10] <genii> kosha: The program kxgenerator is very useful sometimes
[07:10] <chris0626891> Hello?
[07:11] <chris0626891> anyone here?
[07:11] <genii> chris0626891: Yup
[07:11] <chris0626891> I have a question..
[07:11] <chris0626891> Well, two questions
[07:11] <chris0626891> How can I upgrade 7.10 to 8.04 alphas?
[07:11] <stdin> 1) don't.
[07:11] <stdin> next?
[07:11] <chris0626891> I know it has something to do with dist-upgrade right?
[07:12] <noaXess> good morning
[07:12] <chris0626891> I realize it's not RECOMENDED
[07:12] <chris0626891> But I want to.
[07:12] <jussi01> chris0626891: quite simply, if you need to be asking questons like that, you shouldnt be doing it
[07:12] <chris0626891> Because I have trouble getting my mp3 support.
[07:12] <noaXess> which tool can i use to make a ghost of a whole harddisk?.. for backup..
[07:12] <chris0626891> For some reason, I can't...
[07:12] <stdin> !backup | noaXess
[07:12] <ubotu> noaXess: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[07:12] <chris0626891> No I've been using Ubuntu for quite some time..
[07:12] <noaXess> like an image of the whole harddisk including partition information
[07:12] <mrashley> hey.. is it normal behavior for kubuntu to eat your xorg changes and put it's own options in?
[07:13] <chris0626891> But.. I just forgot the command line to do it :P
[07:13] <jussi01> chris0626891: have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[07:13] <chris0626891> Well
[07:13] <chris0626891> I tried that on a previous install
[07:13] <chris0626891> But then when I tried to play my mp3 / ogms
[07:13] <noaXess> !clongin
[07:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about clongin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:13] <noaXess> !cloning
[07:13] <chris0626891> it said the audio channel was in use..
[07:13] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[07:14] <chris0626891> For some reason when I installed kubuntu-restricted-extras, whenever I try to play stuff, it gives me "This Audio channel is already in use.."
[07:14] <chris0626891> So.. i don't know what the heck is wrong >_>
[07:14] <chris0626891> I'm using Kubuntu 7.10 64bit.
[07:15] <noaXess> stdin: the dd will be the choice i think :)
[07:15] <chris0626891> Does anyone know why this happens?
[07:15] <chris0626891> !flash konqueror
[07:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash konqueror - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:15] <chris0626891> !flash
[07:15] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[07:15] <jussi01> chris0626891: upgrading to hardy will not fix these errors
[07:15] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[07:15] <chris0626891> Hmm ok
[07:16] <chris0626891> So I should just install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:16] <stdin> noaXess: dd is great, unless you want a GUI :)
[07:16] <jussi01> chris0626891: correct, then comeback if you have an  error
[07:16] <noaXess> stdin: no.. command line is better in some cases..
[07:16] <chris0626891> ok..
[07:16] <jussi01> :)
[07:16] <chris0626891> Also, how do I get Flash onto konqueror?  I'm using Kubuntu 7.10 64-bit
[07:16] <stdin> noaXess: only some, I live in the command line
[07:17] <chris0626891> (Nevermind, I'll just use Firefox)
[07:17] <chris0626891> Ok let me try this stuff out, thanks for helping me.
[07:17]  * stdin currently has 6 shells open, and that's less than usual
[07:17] <noaXess> stdin: if i really copy one hd to another with dd: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb.. can i dan plugin /dev/sdb an boot from it without other changes?
[07:17] <chris0626891> I'm pretty good with Ubuntu, but when it comes to Kubuntu, i'm kind of unfamiliar with it.
[07:17] <noaXess> chris0626891: why? the background is the same..
[07:18] <chris0626891> I know.
[07:18] <chris0626891> I do most stuff through the GUI though
[07:18] <chris0626891> I do know most of the command line options for popular things..
[07:18] <noaXess> the diffrent is only the window manager and kde..
[07:18] <stdin> noaXess: it may, I'm not sure if it matters if the disks are different sizes
[07:18] <chris0626891> I know. ;)
[07:18] <noaXess> stdin: .. i will make a try :)
[07:19] <noaXess> better to test it... then have a failed system without testing.. :)
[07:19] <stdin> yes it is :)
[07:21] <chris0626891> When KDE 4.0 is released tomorrow (today), how long do you think it will take to get into the repos?
[07:21] <stdin> chris0626891: 1) today (11th), 2) when it's released
[07:22] <chris0626891> ... I realize it's released on the 11th, which is today.
[07:22] <chris0626891> But how long will it take to get into the Kubuntu repos.
[07:22] <chris0626891> And will there be a simple option to convert over?  (I assume this would be posted on the Kubuntu site)
[07:22] <stdin> when kde 4.0 is released it'll be in the repos
[07:23]  * jussi01 hugs stdin 
[07:23] <stdin> we'll have instructions on kubuntu.org and link to it in the topic
[07:23] <chris0626891> Ok thank you :)
[07:25] <stdin> now we can tell if people actually read the topic or not ;)
[07:25] <chris0626891> (Sorry)
[07:25] <stdin> chris0626891: it wasn't in there when you joined, so that's ok
[07:26] <flamesage> !register
[07:26] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[07:26] <flamesage> Hmm
[07:27] <flamesage> did anyone see that? >_>
[07:27] <jussi01> flamesage: see what?
[07:27] <flamesage> Ok nevermind
[07:27] <flamesage> I registered, and I thought it echoed my password.  :P
[07:27] <jussi01> flamesage: nope :D
[07:28] <stdin> always do that in the server tab :)
[07:28]  * jussi01 agrees though
[07:28] <stdin> or '/query nickserv' to open a new tab with just nickserv
[07:28] <flamesage> So yeah... I'm kind of bored.
[07:28] <flamesage> !bored
[07:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bored - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:28] <flamesage> !keeping me happy
[07:29] <stdin> play in #ubuntu-offtopic and stop abusing ubotu :)
[07:29] <stdin> he has feelings to
[07:29] <Jucato> but more importantly, ops have feelings, and they don't like it when the bot is abused :)
[07:29] <flamesage> ha.
[07:30] <jussi01> !botabuse > flamesage
[07:30] <stdin> here ubotu is like a family pet, and the ops are the family. please don't kick the dog :)
[07:30] <Jucato> or cat...
[07:30] <Jucato> :)
[07:30]  * jussi01 hugs ubotu 
[07:30] <flamesage> :x
[07:30] <flamesage> why won't someone hug me... :(
[07:30] <stdin> nah, don't like cats that much :p
[07:31] <Jucato> I do :P
[07:32] <stdin> fine ubotu can be a hybrid dog/cat/gerbil, ok? :p
[07:33] <flamesage> I think ubotu is simply a machine to make my life easier.
[07:33] <stdin> no, it's a python program with several plugins actually
[07:34] <stdin> but it's still our pet python program with several plugins
[07:34] <flamesage> So it's a python.
[07:34] <flamesage> Simple.
[07:34] <flamesage> :)
[07:34] <flamesage> if i install KDE 4 by use of.. http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php, will I be able to simply do a sudo apt-get update tomorrow?
[07:35] <stdin> it's better to wait, unless you want to download hundreds of MB twice
[07:36] <flamesage> The only thing that sucks though..
[07:36] <flamesage> Is there a way to keep 3.5 ane 4.0 menus seperate?
[07:36] <flamesage> I don't want 4.0 programs in KDE 3.x
[07:37] <stdin> nope, it's designed specifically to be integrated
[07:43] <Lazarus> hi there
[07:43] <Lazarus> im about to reinstall kubuntu
[07:43] <Lazarus> what should i do to make reconfiguring as easy as possible?
[07:43] <flamesage> ok.
[07:43] <flamesage> Ironic, Lazarus came back from the dead :P
[07:43] <Lazarus> flamesage, yeah
[07:43] <flamesage> Ha :P
[07:43] <flamesage> Anyway..
[07:43] <Lazarus> thats why i like the name, its neat
[07:44] <flamesage> Did you have your /home/ in a seperate partition?
[07:44] <flamesage> And why exactly are you reinstalling might I ask?
[07:45] <Lazarus> flamesage, its gotten too bloated for my liking
[07:45] <Lazarus> some im going to reinstall and make it a little cleaner again
[07:45] <Lazarus> flamesage, no, its on the same
[07:45] <Lazarus> how should i set up my partitions?
[07:45] <Lazarus> i usually put / all in one
[07:45] <jussi01> !home | Lazarus
[07:45] <ubotu> Lazarus: Your home folder is where all of your personal files are usually kept. For mounting your home folder on a separate partition, please see: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[07:46] <Lazarus> i know some people split /etc /home or /usr
[07:46] <Lazarus> even /boot
[07:48] <sexy_> hi guys
[07:48] <flamesage> hey
[07:48] <flamesage> ... what's up?
[07:48] <sexy_> i need repair my kopete..
[07:49] <flamesage> whats wrong with it?
[07:49] <Kage> Ahh..
[07:49] <Kage> A nice "K" feel to it.
[07:49] <sexy_> kopete have a error 11
[07:50] <jussi01> sexy_: have you just installed?
[07:50] <jussi01> !nickspam > Kage
[07:51] <flamesage> Sorry. T_T
[07:51] <wersdaluv> where do I get kde 4?? :D :))
[07:51] <flamesage> It's not released yet.
[07:52]  * stdin directs wersdaluv to *read* the topic
[07:52] <wersdaluv> ok. lol :D
[07:52]  * flamesage backhands
[07:52] <wersdaluv> when are kubuntu packages coming out?
[07:53] <sexy_> yes
[07:53] <flamesage> we don't know.
[07:53] <wersdaluv> oooh. okayy
[07:53] <flamesage> .. yes isn't a valid answer.
[07:53] <stdin> when is kde 4.0.0 coming out? they both have the same answer
[07:53] <flamesage> ... yes? o_0
[07:53] <sexy_> my einglish is  very bad
[07:53] <stdin> "no one knows the exact time, today though"
[07:53] <sexy_> sorry
[07:54] <wersdaluv> so the kubuntu packages are going to be released today too?
[07:54] <flamesage> Not if KDE 4.0 is released at 11:59:99, probably not.
[07:54] <stdin> as soon as kde 4.0.0 is released, yes
[07:54] <stdin> and I mean, as soon as ;)
[07:55] <appelza> seriously? :D
[07:55] <appelza> nice.
[07:55] <wersdaluv> niiice
[07:55] <flamesage> me sheds a tear
[07:55]  * flamesage sheds a tear
[07:55] <flamesage> I want KDE 4.0 so badly.
[07:55] <flamesage> So stdin, do you think there will be any showstopping bugs?
[07:55] <flamesage> I tried the RC2, it seemed pretty stable.
[07:55] <wersdaluv> I'm a gnome user
[07:55] <appelza> So, if say I want to run konversation on kde4, do I simply compile the latest version against QT4 ?
[07:55] <flamesage> Though I don't beleive sound was working...
[07:55] <wersdaluv> *hides
[07:55]  * stdin coughs and points to http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174
[07:56] <flamesage> me hands stdin a tissue
[07:56] <stdin> appelza: no, it doesn't work like that at all
[07:56] <stdin> just run konversation in kde4, it'll work fine
[07:56] <stdin> but konversation will need porting to qt4/kde4
[07:56] <appelza> cool, but still using the QT3 libs then
[07:56] <appelza> I see
[07:56] <appelza> :]
[07:57] <stdin> there will be a konversation 1.1 before a kde4 version anyway
[07:58] <appelza> Cool
[07:59] <flamesage> They should have released it 3 hours ago
[08:00] <stdin> flamesage: why? not everyone is in your timezone
[08:00] <flamesage> True, but then it would make it faster for you guys :)
[08:01] <flamesage> The quicker we get KDE 4.0, the better.
[08:01] <stdin> we're all set to go, just waiting on the word "GO!"
[08:01] <flamesage> You got it on a RSS feed?
[08:01] <flamesage> Are you guys releasing a custom iso CD?  Or simply uploading them to the repos?
[08:02] <stdin> we'll be informed, and kde.org will be updated. and yes, there will be a Kubuntu KDE4 CD
[08:02] <stdin> like I said, we're just waiting on the word now
[08:03] <appelza> awesome
[08:03] <appelza> :D gj
[08:05] <flamesage> Ok, sorry for all of the annoying questions :P  Will the KDE 4 iso be based off of 7.10 or 8.04a?
[08:05] <stdin> 7.10 afaik
[08:06] <stdin> yeah, 7.10 for sure
[08:06] <flamesage> okie dokie.'
[08:06] <Makuseru> firefox keeps telling me i need to install flash, but when i go to install it it says "flash non-free is already installed" whats up with this?
[08:07] <stdin> Makuseru: seen the topic?
[08:07] <intelikey> sounds like the .deb installed but didn't run the install script
[08:07] <Makuseru> stdin: oh, ha. i knew that
[08:07] <flamesage> me thinks "I don't think they did"
[08:08] <intelikey> all the .deb is, is an installer script   unless i'm badly missinformed
[08:08]  * flamesage thinks "I don't think they did"
[08:08] <Makuseru> any news when it will be fizeD?
[08:08] <AzAel> errr how do i force a FQDN to a specific ip address ie...win hosts file
[08:08] <Makuseru> fixed*
[08:08] <stdin> when adobe feel like it?
[08:09] <stdin> See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix. (from /msg ubotu flash)
[08:10] <AzAel> nevermind
[08:10] <AzAel> temporary brain freeze
[08:12] <AzAel> ive seen it everyday for the last year and it just clicked :P
[08:14] <intelikey> so what's new in the *buntu world ?    anything remarkable ?
[08:15] <stdin> KDE 4.0.0 comes out today :)
[08:15] <intelikey> well that is remarkable
[08:15] <stdin> it'll take more than 4MB RAM, so not sure if you're interested ;)
[08:15] <intelikey> stdin you been running it for a while havent you ?
[08:15] <intelikey> :)
[08:16]  * intelikey </blushes>
[08:16] <stdin> yeah, I've been running the alpha/RC released, 4.0.0 is very nice indeed
[08:17] <intelikey> tov   i'm glad to hear good things about it.     but just out of curiosity,  how would a minimalist feel about it ?
[08:17] <intelikey> can one still strip it down pretty easily ?
[08:17] <stdin> all you really need are the kdebase-* packages
[08:18] <Zombocom> I dual boot windows and linux
[08:18] <stdin> that'll pull plasma, phonon and everything needed for a base desktop
[08:18] <Zombocom> how do I add the windows fonts to linux
[08:18] <jussi01> !fonts | Zombocom
[08:18] <ubotu> Zombocom: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[08:18] <Zombocom> I tried to install msttcorefonts and it messed up
[08:18] <Zombocom> it says I have them installed
[08:18] <intelikey> stdin hmmm when i upgrade i'll have to try this new DE
[08:18] <Zombocom> but I don't
[08:19] <Zombocom> and when I try to remove it it freezes
[08:19] <stdin> intelikey: it's miles different from 3.5.x, it's definitely more "wow" :)
[08:20] <intelikey> man. linux doesn't handle floppy disk defects well at all.
[08:21] <intelikey> stdin cool.    if "wow" is indeed a good thing that is...
[08:21] <stdin> yes "wow" is a good thing in this case, unlike vista :p
[08:21] <AzAel> eek floppy disk
[08:21] <intelikey> :)
[08:21] <flamesage> Oh sweet.
[08:21] <flamesage> I just realized you guys updated the KDE RC packages.
[08:21] <flamesage> Well, they've been updated since last anyway.
[08:21] <flamesage> KDE 4 (RC?) is working great.
[08:22] <intelikey> flamesage <stdin> KDE 4.0.0 comes out today :)
[08:22] <AzAel> i swear the quality of floppy disks has detriorated drasticly in the last few years
[08:22] <flamesage> I know.
[08:22] <flamesage> But the packages have been updated since last time I tried them.
[08:22] <stdin> shhh! keep it under your hat ;)
[08:22] <intelikey> AzAel yes it's a conspiracy.  they are trying to force everyone to abandon the floppy.
[08:23] <AzAel> lol i have floppiues from 15 years ago that are still readable
[08:23] <flamesage> Though.. it looks like the screen resolution is getting.. cut off.
[08:23]  * intelikey still has both 5.25 and 3.5 drives in his box
[08:24] <AzAel> oh wow that reminds me i still have arkanoid on 5.25
[08:24] <intelikey> :)
[08:24] <AzAel> and tetris i used to run on the original 8086 1mhz clone
[08:25] <AzAel> 8088??
[08:25] <AzAel> with 640k mem and ......wait for it...........CGA GRAPHICS ADAPTOR
[08:26] <intelikey> i had to reload (low level format the 20m 5.25" hdd) in an old 80286 today   and kept asking for this disk and that disk,   then i remembered that you had to make a config.sys with "files=20" or higher   for some of those old programs to load    :)
[08:26] <AzAel> hehehe msdos 3 and earlier
[08:26] <intelikey> ibm-dos 3.30
[08:27] <AzAel> that was WOW back then
[08:27] <AzAel> "moving blocks!!!" .....WOW!!!!"
[08:27] <intelikey> indeed,   that tandy 1000 was a top of the line machine back then.
[08:27] <jussi01> !ot
[08:27] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:27] <intelikey> hi jussi01   long C++ no time.
[08:27] <AzAel> ok ok
[08:28] <jussi01> heya intelikey
[08:28] <Jucato> g++ -o intelikey intelikey.cpp
[08:28]  * intelikey </blinks>  &  </shrinks>
[08:29] <intelikey> Jucato :)
[08:29] <AzAel> how long before 4.0.0 is expected in the repos?
[08:30] <flamesage> They don't know yet.
[08:30] <flamesage> !KDE4
[08:30] <ubotu> kde4 is KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://tinyurl.com/2gqwmr - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[08:30]  * AzAel hopes for nice metapackage that configures all the paths
[08:30] <flamesage> I think I'm just going to install straight from the CD
[08:31] <flamesage> I thought they said that the new KDE 4 had a bunch of effects liks compiz......
[08:31] <AzAel> vanilla kde 4 install?
[08:31] <flamesage> Is thist rue?
[08:31] <flamesage> Is this true?
[08:31] <flamesage> Because I see no kind of options like that on this RC....
[08:31] <AzAel> built into kwin i believe
[08:31] <flamesage> Oh, so theres no way to configure it?
[08:31] <flamesage> Oh doh
[08:31] <flamesage> I just found them
[08:31] <flamesage> Sorry, there under Desktop
[08:31] <AzAel> yes from what i have seen of recent builds, but only cause someone said so
[08:32] <intelikey> kde and not configurable ???      heh.
[08:32] <stdin> it is, you just have to know where to look ;)
[08:32] <intelikey> "right click it"
[08:33] <stdin> it's berried in systemsetting under desktop
[08:33] <AzAel> hahaha ctrl alt bksp
[08:33] <intelikey> can't get there from the right mouse button no more ?
[08:33] <stdin> you may be able to, can't remember atm
[08:34] <intelikey> it just wouldn't be kde if you can't right click and configure it
[08:34] <AzAel> so the new hardy heron alpha is here whats the k status?
[08:34] <flamesage> Turning on Desktop Effects really pissed off KDE 4 :P
[08:34] <Makuseru> waht is the name of the package i need to play restricted file formats?
[08:34] <AzAel> desktop effects still pisses off alot of things
[08:35] <intelikey> !mp3
[08:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:35] <stdin> intelikey: no, right clicking the desktop lets you configure the desktop plasmoid instead :p
[08:35] <intelikey> hmmm   ok.
[08:36] <Makuseru> thanks
[08:36] <stdin> everything on the desktop (including the desktop itself) is a plasmoid/applet/widget
[08:36] <intelikey> including the desktop you say ?
[08:36] <AzAel> yeah take desktop zoom for example
[08:37] <stdin> yeah, the desktop and the icons too
[08:37] <stdin> it's all very "swoosh"ish
[08:37] <intelikey> sounds like they have really made a vidio game out of the DE     counter productive to some i'm sure.
[08:38] <stdin> it's actually all rather intuitive to the user
[08:38] <intelikey> stdin how much you know about iptables ?
[08:38] <stdin> you really have to try it to get a the feeling of it
[08:39] <intelikey> i will
[08:39] <AzAel> intelikey: people soon learn to either utilise or turn of what they dont need
[08:39] <stdin> intelikey: erm, I know how to get a GUI to configure iptables for me :p iptabled has always been the one command that's complexity just scares me
[08:41] <jammen33> so how do i get amarok2 in kubuntu kde4?
[08:41] <stdin> you can't. amarok2 wasn't releases with kde 4.0.0
[08:41] <Jucato> amarok2 it isn't released yet at all
[08:41] <intelikey> stdin ok how do i get iptables to forward traffic from eth0 (192.168.0.0/24 network) to eth1 (192.168.1.0/24 network) and vice versa ?    the gui tools firestarter and guarddog do not support dubble linking networks like that.
[08:43] <intelikey> they might support it if i had another interface that they could firewall out as the internet connection.  but with only those two and trying to get traffic to flow both ways smothly is not an easy feet.
[08:44] <stdin> intelikey: hmm, "iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT" and "iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -j ACCEPT" maybe, or something like that
[08:44] <intelikey> i googled around until my browser hurt.  it doesn't seem that anyone else has wanted to do this.
[08:44] <intelikey> i'll give that a shot.    but i think i have tried it already.
[08:45] <stdin> you may need "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE" and "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" too, not at all sure
[08:46] <intelikey> hmmm maybe the combo of both...  i don't think i tried both.   not togather
[08:48] <intelikey> i'm also not sure where i came up with this rule    -A OUTPUT -d 224.0.0.1 -j DROP    nor what it actually does
[08:48] <intelikey> that seems to be some default
[08:49] <stdin> doesn't that just drop outbound to 224.0.0.1?
[08:49] <intelikey> yeah but why ?
[08:49] <stdin> I've no idea, my iptables has no rules by default
[08:50] <intelikey> i can ping that address but i can't tracepath it
[08:51] <intelikey> whois turns up blank on it to
[08:51] <stdin> "grep -r 224\\.0\\.0\\.1 /etc" may show where it's coming from
[08:53] <stdin> I don't know why, but grep really does need \\. for a literal "." rather than just "\.", even when the string is quoted...
[08:53] <gan|y|med> hi
[08:54] <gan|y|med> everytime i open a window it is placed right in the middle at the top of the screen which is really annyoing. is there way to change this? window placement is set to smart, though
[08:55] <intelikey> because of dubble quotes rather than single quotes
[08:55] <intelikey> i.e. shall expands the first.
[08:55] <intelikey> grep the second
[08:56] <stdin> intelikey: so why does "/bin/echo echo "\."" work?
[08:56] <stdin> minus 1 "echo" ;)
[08:56] <Daisuke_Ido> stdin: i found it quite...  humorous :)
[08:57] <intelikey> stdin idk.   i was playing with that too.
[08:58] <stdin> maybe it's just something to do with grep internals and regexp usage
[08:59] <intelikey> stdin but the proof is in the puding http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d18a08a21
[09:00] <intelikey> why echo is different i don't know.
[09:01] <christianp> hi all
[09:01] <intelikey> christianp
[09:01] <sMonk> stdin: Thought I'd pop on before I goto work... and I see you're still on?? LoL, You ever sleep?
[09:02] <intelikey> sMonk course not....    !
[09:02] <stdin> sleep, isn't that a command?
[09:02] <intelikey> stdin only sleeps when stdout and stderr are busy.
[09:03] <sMonk> stdin: shudown -h 12/30/2025
[09:04] <sMonk> lol
[09:04] <stdin> laptop(hardy): "09:04:17 up 3 days,  3:54,  2 users,  load average: 0.47, 0.27, 0.30", server(gutsy): "09:04:21 up 24 days, 11:33,  3 users,  load average: 0.25, 0.20, 0.17"
[09:05] <christianp> i need to open a tunnel in a vpn type pptp witn mschapv2 protocol... I'm trying KVpnc with no success...
[09:05] <christianp> anyone can hel me?
[09:05] <sMonk> I see.. lol
[09:06] <christianp> the only auth method i can choose is chap and pap... no mschapv2
[09:08] <sMonk> I was just taking a look in PackageManager... wow, lots of KDE4 stuff.. which ones do you reccommend first?
[09:08] <intelikey> kdebase-*
[09:08] <sMonk> lol, I have a buffet of dragon.. lol
[09:09] <stdin> actually we recommend "kde4-core" first :)
[09:09] <sMonk> Hmmm.. that's what I was looking for.. didn't see them
[09:09] <se7en> intelikey: it's not out jet or (kde4)
[09:09] <intelikey> buffet of dragon  :)      some times you eat the dragon,  some times the dragon eats you...
[09:10] <sMonk> you got that right.. :)
[09:10] <intelikey> stdin have they not made a meta package kde4 yet ?
[09:10] <stdin> yeah, "kde4-core" is one of them
[09:11] <intelikey> oh.   ok.  that will bring in all the must haves i perpose
[09:11] <stdin> I actually made it a while ago, but just uploaded it to gutsy today
[09:11] <stdin> yeah, kde4-core is what you need for a function desktop
[09:11] <sMonk> intelikey: I see 7 files that are kdebase - all relating to kde4
[09:12] <intelikey> sMonk see stdin ^
[09:12] <sMonk> oh yeah? ok.. I'll keep that in mind.
[09:13] <sMonk> thanks stdin.. I gotta head out to work.. but I'll give'r when I get home. I can only expect you'll till be on any way.. lol.. j/k
[09:13] <stdin> sMonk: probably :p
[09:13] <sMonk> it's 04:13 for me
[09:13] <intelikey> nah he'll be here.
[09:13] <sMonk> C'ya again guys
[09:18] <intelikey> stdin ok one more networking Q   the route command.    i need to add a route that will kick all traffic looking for 192.168.1.0/24 over to 192.168.0.6      i can't make that the default gw cause 192.168.0.1 has to be default.    do you know how i need to form the command for it to add the route with the netmask 255.255.255.0 ?    i tried  "route -v add 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.0.6" which errors out.  if i 
[09:18] <intelikey> the netmask is then 255.255.255.255   which wont work.
[09:19] <intelikey> ?
[09:20] <intelikey> also tried route -v add 192.168.1.0/24 gw 192.168.0.6    which errors out
[09:20] <intelikey> the -v is not needed.
[09:20] <stdin> I think "route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.0.6" maybe also with "dev ethX" appended
[09:21] <mikkael> how can i save my session manually in kde4 (without the new menu?)
[09:22] <stdin> erm, ask in #kde I have no clue right now
[09:22] <intelikey> stdin ty.   i'll play with that some.
[09:25] <flamesage> Hello again.
[09:32] <intelikey> flamesage
[09:42] <intelikey> what do you make of this error    tracepath 192.168.1.5
[09:42] <intelikey>  1:  send failed
[09:44] <llutz> intelikey: nic broken, cable broken, interface down?
[09:44] <intelikey> none of the above.
[09:44] <intelikey> network working fine.
[09:45] <sigma_1234> does disabling ipv6 make network connections faster?
[09:45] <stdin> sigma_1234: it will make resolving IP addresses faster, but nothing after that
[09:46] <Agent_bob> llutz i'm on that box in question, and talking through the box from which the trace was done.
[09:46] <llutz> intelikey: filtering iptables rule?
[09:46] <Agent_bob> probably
[09:47] <sigma_1234> im stil trying to figure out why my laptop is jerking when playing video over wireless
[09:47] <Agent_bob> the problem i'm having is everything that deals with setting up a nat is also geared toward firewalling out everything on the other side of the same box.   i have a box between two nats
[09:48] <sigma_1234> because it was working perfectly before. only started playing up now
[09:50] <sigma_1234> its even worse when i play the same file off the hdd
[09:50] <Agent_bob> so i setup the biddle box with ipmasq and it makes it a one way gate.   i set it up manually   and it don't work at all.    (yes i'm network illiterate)    i ask advice and people help me but it still don't do what i would like it to do.    i would like the box in the middle to simply forward all traffic to the aproprate lan.
[09:50] <Agent_bob> biddle=middle
[09:51] <intelikey> sigma_1234 not a cron job in the way is there ?
[09:51] <sigma_1234> glxgears is smooth before playing the video but jerks after playing it
[09:52] <intelikey> ummmm never mind.   it's probably not that then.
[09:52] <sigma_1234> intelikey: how would i know if there is?
[09:52] <intelikey> top ksysguard ps pstree .... several other tools
[09:52] <llutz> Agent_bob: for straight forwarding you won't need NAT/masq, just ip_forwarding active
[09:54] <intelikey> llutz ipv4 forwarding is active   i'll flush all iptables rules and     err be back after i reboot cause i can't fix it....
[09:54] <intelikey> ;/
[09:54] <sigma_1234> whats the command to re configure xorg again?
[09:55] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:55] <intelikey> you can p hi or low if you want
[09:55] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh     or -plow
[09:56] <sigma_1234> whats the difference?
[09:56] <intelikey> man dpkg-reconfigure     knows
[09:57] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i delete all the configuration files and settings for kopete
[09:58] <Ange|us> when is gonna kubuntu provide packages for kde4 ?
[09:59] <intelikey> well i lost the forward contenuity,  and still don't have backward contenuity
[10:00] <cinemagoo> can anyone help me w pxe network booting problem?
[10:02] <cinemagoo> intelikey: you have second to help?
[10:02] <intelikey> yeah but i don't know anything about networking.
[10:02] <stdin> Ange|us: when kde 4.0.0 is released
[10:03] <cinemagoo> well...
[10:04] <cinemagoo> I am getting an error /init 1:can't open
[10:04] <cinemagoo> temp/net-eth0.conf"
[10:04] <cinemagoo> [02:14] <cinemagoo> kernel panic not syncing:  attemped to kill init!
[10:05] <sigma_1234> well this is a shame. looks like its back to windows for this laptop. hope kde4 works with it better
[10:06] <Ange|us> stdin: it is realesed
[10:06] <stdin> Ange|us: where exactly on http://www.kde.org/ does it say that?
[10:07] <cinemagoo> who knows about networking and kubuntu
[10:07] <Ange|us> and i just discovered that kubuntu already compiled the parts that are enough to run kde4 and you can get by doin the steps in the kde4 RC2 announcemeny
[10:07] <Ange|us> *announcment
[10:07] <sigma_1234> all it says is that the wait is over
[10:08] <stdin> that's not an announcement
[10:08] <intelikey> cinemagoo i might mention that that is not at all kde specific   so you might find someone in #ubuntu that could help...  just a thought.
[10:08] <stdin> Ange|us: it's not official until kde.org say so
[10:08] <intelikey> i can't.  i'm banned from there...  ;/
[10:09] <cinemagoo> why?
[10:09] <intelikey> mentioned warez    and shouldn't have i guess.
[10:09] <cinemagoo> oops
[10:09] <sigma_1234> but this is weird. why would glxgears work fine right till a video is playing and then start getting unresponsive? let me try play a mp3
[10:10] <Ange|us> stdin:  so? its not officialy available, but distros already have the source in their hands and started compiling xD
[10:10] <stdin> how else do you expect anyone to be able to distribute packages today?
[10:12] <Ange|us> so , if distributions got the source, gentoo already released it, and people can check it out from kde's snapshots, then , its released, even dough NOT ANNOUNCED but its RELEASED
[10:12] <sigma_1234> can anyone list the proper packages needed for mpeg playback for me?
[10:13] <Ange|us> stdin: if i released a prisoner from his prison , but didn't announce it, it doesnt mean he's not released . even dough it wouldn't be official.
[10:13] <Ange|us> xD
[10:13] <stdin> Ange|us: no amount of "reasoning" will change our stance on that issue
[10:14] <sire_winston> hi there
[10:15] <sire_winston> could someone cite off for me real quick the command to reconfigure xserver?
[10:15] <stdin> !xconfig
[10:15] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg » - To configure only the driver and resolution, type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh » - See also !FixRes
[10:15] <sire_winston> it goes something like sudo dpkg xserver-xorg?
[10:15] <sire_winston> i keep typing it in wrong
[10:15] <sire_winston> stdin : thanks mate
[10:15] <intelikey> !tab | sire_winston
[10:15] <ubotu> sire_winston: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[10:16] <sire_winston> intelikey : that was a revolation to me when i found that out
[10:16] <sire_winston> its such a labor savor
[10:16] <Ange|us> see ya later guys
[10:16] <Ange|us> peace
[10:16] <intelikey> shalom Ange|us
[10:18] <intelikey> sire_winston but it does get in the way when you hit a shell that doesn't support it and everything you start to type comes ou       t li        k        e th        i        s
[10:19] <stdin> I like how scp has tab-completion
[10:19] <intelikey> yeah  but on a slow connection that can also suck
[10:19] <intelikey> when it has to check the remote each time you hit it
[10:19] <stdin> well I only use it on my lan, so it's fine here :)
[10:20] <intelikey> indeed :)
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> hi all
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> is there any way to make irc clients automatically fire a command / string of commands when connecting to a certain server (or even any server for that matter)
[10:32] <stdin> depends on the client
[10:32] <zetheroo> whats the repo for KDE4?
[10:32] <stdin> zetheroo: that will be announced when 4.0.0 has been released
[10:33] <zetheroo> stdin: it has been.... just today
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> stdin, i'm on hydrairc but if the mozillairc does it i willchange
[10:33] <stdin> zetheroo: until kde.org says so
[10:34] <zetheroo> stdin: a friend of mine already got it from the repos.....
[10:34] <stdin> ActionParsnip: I don't know about those 2
[10:34] <zetheroo> stdin: he gave them to me but I forgot to copy them
[10:34] <stdin> zetheroo: then just wait a while
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> stdin: can you suggest one that does please
[10:35] <stdin> konversation does, xchat does and irssi does. those are the ones i've tried
[10:36] <parkin> whats your maximum level in kbounce?
[10:36] <zetheroo> http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2007/12/18/how-to-install-kde-4-rc-2-in-ubuntu/
[10:36] <stdin> !ot | parkin
[10:36] <ubotu> parkin: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:36] <zetheroo> stdin: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2007/12/18/how-to-install-kde-4-rc-2-in-ubuntu/
[10:36] <parkin> sorry
[10:37] <stdin> zetheroo: that's RC2, not 4.0.0 release
[10:37] <zetheroo> stdin: yeah....
[10:37] <zetheroo> stdin: sorry... thats what I guess I meant
[10:37] <stdin> just wait a while, when kde.org announces it there will be packages
[10:42] <david__> hi! anyone know when the kde4 packages will be available in gutsy-backports?
[10:43] <stdin> david__: some time today probably, if not then tomorrow
[10:45] <david__> stdin: thank you
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> hi all
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> is there a way i can find out if my username is IDENTIFYd?
[10:47] <stdin> ActionParsnip: /whois yourself
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> stdin,  ActionParsnip is identified to services - I'm guessing i'm ok
[10:49] <stdin> yep :P
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> stdin, sweet. got it all scripted in to identify and login to this channel when i run my client
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> Booya!
[10:50] <bauer_> i use Konversation to log on irc. How can i change the browser from quanta+ to firefox ?
[10:50] <stdin> it should use KDEs settings from System Settings -> Default Applications
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> stdin, there is a setting in konversation so you can override it
[10:52] <bauer_> its alredy set to firefox
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> just googling
[10:52] <stdin> Settings → Configure Konversation → Behaviour → General → Use a custom Web browser
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> bauer is it set to firefox in konversation
[10:53] <stdin> set it to: firefox "%u"
[10:54] <bauer_> stdin: thx , it hit the spot. :-)
[10:59] <parkin> how do i remove the jumping application icon at the mouse pointer when a program starts?
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> parkin, just searching now
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> parkin, Go to Run command type kcontrol, then open appeareance & themes and look under "launch feedback"
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> parkin, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=383948
[11:06] <Sajes> How do you set the clock to UTC? I can't find the setting anywhere.
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> parkin, did you google before asking?
[11:06] <stdin> Sajes: system settings -> time & date
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> Sajes, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-43810.html
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> Sajes, check the bottom
[11:07] <Sajes> thank you. :)
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> Sajes, np man
[11:11]  * marcx zbohom budte neublizil som, zajtra zbohom budem
[11:18]  * stdin points at the topic and grins
[11:19] <greenery_> congrats
[11:20] <Riddell> thanks stdin
[11:20] <stdin> let the mass downloading begin :)
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> downloading of what?
[11:21] <stdin> see the topic
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> oooh nice
[11:23] <bostik> kde4 released
[11:24] <stdin> yes, that is what the topic says :)
[11:24] <stdin> that extra space in there is annoying me...
[11:24] <greenery_> backup necessary to use KDE 4.0?
[11:24] <greenery_> before using*
[11:25] <stdin> no, it uses ~/.kde4 so doesn't touch any kde3 settings
[11:25] <greenery_> cool
[11:25] <greenery_> gonna give it a go
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> stdin, is it in the repos?
[11:25] <stdin> ActionParsnip: link in the topic
[11:26] <stdin> tells you exactly how to get it right now
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> stdin, if it doesnt come down with my apt-get update i'm not bothered
[11:26] <sub[t]rnl> stdin➜ nice work on the packaging front.  Time for a little vaca now that its out? :>
[11:27] <stdin> ActionParsnip: it uses another repo, so it is apt-get :P, but i'll be in -backports soon enough
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> i'll stick with what ive got
[11:27] <abcd> Hello, "startkde in the Xerphyr xterm" what does it mean. Could anyone explain?
[11:27] <stdin> sub[t]rnl: hmm, maybe. I never thought what I'd no *after* it's released :p
[11:27] <sub[t]rnl> muaha
[11:28]  * firecrotch is installing KDE4 :)
[11:29] <stdin> abcd: just paste in the command it shows, then in the terminal that opens put "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde"
[11:31] <stdin> abcd: but I'd recommend running a full session, it's much better
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> its come so far :) http://www.kbglob.com/fotos/kde1.jpg
[11:31] <stdin> aww, I remember those days :)
[11:31] <stdin> wow, is that netscape it see on the desktop :p
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> good ol nutscrape
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> netscape nowadays = http://images.betanews.com/betanews/articles/1109870204/netscape8beta.png
[11:35] <stdin> looks like a mix between IE7, Firefox and the eeePC
[11:35] <abcd> stdin: I do not know if I have understood you; does it mean that i need not to follow the last step of the instruction (this one: "To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install ........") sorry for my english
[11:36] <firecrotch> I read that AOL was ending development and support for Netscape in February
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> firecrotch, yeah but aol are losers
[11:36] <stdin> abcd: yeah, just logout and then before you login choose "KDE 4" from the sessions menu (in the bottom right of the login screen)
[11:36] <firecrotch> I kinda like AOL... or used to... I never had to buy coasters
[11:37] <abcd> stdin: thank you very much :-)
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> firecrotch, the service was ok. just that brwser they force people to use in the early days. slowly takes over your pc
[11:38] <firecrotch> ActionParsnip: Oh I know all about that :)
[11:39] <dbglt> hi everyone, I'm just wondering how stable hardy will be for a day to day user? I've got some linux experience, but am looking to help out on a relatively stable platform (and use kde4!)
[11:41] <firecrotch> dbglt:  It's still in alpha right now, so its really only recommended for those who are developers or those who have a spare machine to try it out on
[11:41] <stdin> dbglt: hardy is not recommended for general users
[11:41] <stdin> dbglt: you want KDE 4? see the topic :)
[11:42] <firecrotch> Speaking of KDE4, I'll *hopefully* be back in a moment running KDE4 :)
[11:42] <dbglt> stdin: thank you :)
[11:43] <Irkalla> Hey guys
[11:43] <stdin> !hi
[11:43] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[11:43] <Irkalla> I'm having trouble getting my wireless card to work with Kubuntu.
[11:44] <Irkalla> Anyone wanna help? :P
[11:44] <stdin> looked on the wireless docs?
[11:44] <stdin> !wifi
[11:44] <Irkalla> Yep
[11:44] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:44] <Irkalla> Tried two solutions
[11:44] <stdin> what make/model ?
[11:44] <Irkalla> both were very long, neither worked.
[11:44] <Irkalla> eh
[11:44] <Irkalla> Broadcom 13xx
[11:44] <Irkalla> I think
[11:45] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i make kopete find all of the people that ive added on aim in the past? or how do i make it reconize all my buddies
[11:45] <wesley> can we install the kde4 live cd to disk?
[11:45] <stdin> wesley: I believe so
[11:45] <effie_jayx> is it out yet?
[11:45] <wesley> did you add the miss spots?
[11:46] <stdin> Irkalla: I think the only solution is the ndiswrapper way
[11:46] <Irkalla> I tried it
[11:46] <Irkalla> didn't work.
[11:46] <stdin> effie_jayx: seen the topic?
[11:46] <Irkalla> bah.
[11:46]  * effie_jayx does a "ubuntu-release thing"
[11:46] <effie_jayx> stdin,  that was the whole point... ;)
[11:46] <Irkalla> Im using a Broadcome 1348
[11:46] <Irkalla> I believe.
[11:46] <Irkalla> Broadcom*
[11:47] <firecrotch> Wow, KDE4 is sexy!!! :)
[11:47] <Irkalla> Ontop of that, Im a complete noob to KDE and Ubuntu.
[11:47] <Irkalla> xD
[11:47] <firecrotch> Thanks, stdin and everyone else for all your hard work!
[11:47] <Irkalla> firecrotch lol
[11:47] <stdin> firecrotch: pop into #kde4-devel they did most if the work :)
[11:48] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i make kopete find all of the people that ive added on aim in the past? or how do i make it reconize all my buddies
[11:48] <Irkalla> Right now Im dualing Vista and Kubuntu :P
[11:48] <Jay-Oh-En> once you get all your problems fixe
[11:48] <Jay-Oh-En> fixed
[11:48] <Jay-Oh-En> you should delete vista
[11:48] <Irkalla> I know
[11:49] <nareshov> his choice, really
[11:49] <Irkalla> At least vista has good driver support >.>
[11:49]  * Irkalla makes a sizzle noise
[11:49] <nareshov> Irkalla, I made sure I bought a laptop with parts supported by linux
[11:49] <Irkalla> :o
[11:49] <Irkalla> they actually make those?
[11:49] <Irkalla> wow.
[11:49] <nareshov> erm
[11:49] <Jay-Oh-En> nareshov: i didnt even know about linux when i bought my computer
[11:49] <nareshov> just check if the parts are supported
[11:50] <nareshov> that's all ;)\\
[11:50] <Irkalla> linux does need to work on their driver support though
[11:50] <Irkalla> and wireless network discovery as well.
[11:50] <Jay-Oh-En> Irkalla: yeah but alot of stuff is supported
[11:50] <Irkalla> that's my only complaints.
[11:50] <Jay-Oh-En> ALOT
[11:50] <Jay-Oh-En> they only have trouble with wireless it seems to me
[11:50] <Irkalla> yeah, but just my luck, my st00fz aren't.
[11:50] <Jay-Oh-En> besides little bugs
[11:50] <flithm> hey everyone... when I try to use kopete from kde4 to connect to gtalk with encryption it says something about protocol not registered... anyone know how to get rid of this?
[11:51] <firecrotch> Irkalla: It would help if hardware vendors would help out a bit and at least provide some documentation on their products
[11:51] <cntb> Jay-Oh-En, you happy w. linux ubuntu
[11:51] <Jay-Oh-En> cntb: i guess you could say that besides i cant game anymore
[11:51] <Lynoure> Irkalla: normally it's the manufacturers that make the drivers for Windows, not the Microsoft. You can complain to your hw manufacturer if they have not made driver (or released specs) for Linux
[11:51] <Irkalla> more like, that's what I get for getting a broadcom lmao
[11:52] <Irkalla> Broadcom is probably a sweatshop in india, why would they care.
[11:52] <cntb> linux can still be intimidating for non-professionals
[11:52] <emilsedgh> Jadi: :P
[11:52] <nareshov> My laptop has broadcom ethernet and intel wireless
[11:52] <Irkalla> No offense to any Indian sweatshop workers >.>
[11:52] <cntb> agming is another weak point
[11:53] <Jay-Oh-En> Irkalla: exactly thats why you need to looks for things that have alot of support...but for everything tho linux and windows
[11:53] <Irkalla> Mine has Nvidia ethernet and Broadcom wireless.
[11:53] <cntb> yet some games exist in linux too
[11:53] <Jay-Oh-En> cntb: name some they might be the ones i play or i could start playing
[11:54] <cntb> i s NVIDIA in ETHERNET business already ?
[11:54] <Irkalla> yeah :P
[11:54] <Irkalla> and motherboard cntb.
[11:54] <Irkalla> my mobo is NVIDIA
[11:54] <flithm> hey everyone, when using kopete4 I get "ssl support could not be initialized because the QCA TLS plugin is not installed on your system" -- is this a kubuntu packaging thing?
[11:54] <cntb> yeah mothrboard chipsets
[11:55] <Irkalla> Well
[11:55] <Irkalla> I know on my old HP
[11:55] <Irkalla> is said Copyright Greenland
[11:55] <Irkalla> on the boot screen
[11:55] <Jay-Oh-En> theyve made motherboards and vid cards for a while but not ethernet
[11:55] <Irkalla> and on this one it says Copyright NVIDIA :P
[11:56] <Irkalla> lemme see what it says in device manager
[11:56] <Jay-Oh-En> i need to restart
[11:56] <Jay-Oh-En> but i dont want to
[11:56] <Jay-Oh-En> :[
[11:56] <Irkalla> NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller
[11:56] <schiste> Hi, I just got a probleme. My task bar disappeared and I can't get it anymore ... any tipe to get it back ?
[11:56] <schiste> tip*
[11:57] <Irkalla> LOL
[11:57] <Irkalla> that sucks,.
[11:57] <Irkalla> schiste, the only help I can give you, is laughing at your misery.
[11:57] <Lynoure> schiste: just the taskbar, not all of the panel?
[11:57] <Irkalla> Im a KDE noob :P
[11:57] <stdin> schiste: alt-f2 "kicker"
[11:58] <schiste> stdin did nothing
[11:58] <schiste> Lynoure everything :)
[11:59] <schiste> Right now I just have my desktop
[11:59] <stdin> schiste: try using "dcop kicker kicker restart"
[11:59] <schiste> I had it back few secs
[11:59] <Jay-Oh-En> can somebody help me with kopete not loading my buddy list
[12:00] <sebbar> are there any problems one should know of when installing kde 4.0?
[12:01] <schiste> stdin should I kill kicker ?
[12:01] <stdin> you can try
[12:01] <firecrotch> sebbar: I had no problems, but your mileage may vary...
[12:02] <sebbar> firecrotch: ok tnx
[12:02] <firecrotch> sebbar: It didn't load completely the first time I logged into a KDE4 session, but I attribute that to having Pidgin still running when I logged out
[12:02] <schiste> stdin same, it appears and the hide again
[12:03] <schiste> and impossible to get it back
[12:03] <odinsbane> Is kde 4 comin out today?
[12:03] <schiste> just it was locked hide
[12:03] <Tm_T> odinsbane: it is out
[12:03] <stdin> schiste: you sure you didn't set it to autohide?
[12:03] <schiste> it is autohide :)
[12:03] <schiste> but it doesn't unhide
[12:03]  * schiste sighs
[12:04] <odinsbane> Tm_T I installed it about 3 weeks ago, and it was version 3.98 yada yada but that version seems to be lacking
[12:04] <schiste> When I go to the border to get the taskbar
[12:04] <schiste> it doesn't shows up
[12:04] <Tm_T> odinsbane: it is now 4.0.0
[12:04] <stdin> schiste: try going into kcontrol and unhiding it
[12:05] <Tm_T> (well, 4.0.80 already here)
[12:05] <odinsbane> So can I upgrade the one I have or should I uninstall it and install 4.0?
[12:05] <Tm_T> odinsbane: I believe kubuntu.org has all the information you need
[12:05] <odinsbane> k
[12:05] <firecrotch> odinsbane:  You can have both installed.  Link to instructions is in the channel topic
[12:06] <odinsbane> firecroth, quite honestly I want to get rid or kde4 rc2.
[12:06] <stdin> odinsbane: no need, just upgrade to 4.0.0
[12:07] <schiste> stdin ok it works, it's just weird
[12:07] <schiste> Thanks a lot stdin
[12:07] <stdin> schiste: it's a bug somewhere in the mountain of kde code, that sometimes, just sometimes, it'll refuse to unhide
[12:07] <schiste> Ok, good to know :)
[12:07] <stdin> so generally avoid enabling it :p
[12:08] <schiste> Well... too late
[12:08] <schiste> :D
[12:08] <firecrotch> Just wondering... is there a way to make GTK apps look less hideous in KDE4?
[12:08] <schiste> I'm used to it :)
[12:09] <stdin> maybe with qtcurve, but I'm not sure kde4 can configure GTK styles yet
[12:10] <firecrotch> stdin: thanks :)
[12:10] <sigma_1234> kde4-release-party
[12:10] <odinsbane> The instructions say that I need to remove previous version, but my 'update manager' says that some of the libs are 4.0
[12:10] <stdin> odinsbane: did you have RC2 ?
[12:10] <odinsbane> should I remove files and install again?
[12:10] <odinsbane> stdin yes
[12:11] <stdin> odinsbane: then just go for the upgrade :)
[12:11] <odinsbane> k
[12:11] <stdin> RC2 should update to 4.0.0 fine
[12:11] <stdin> did here anyway :)
[12:11] <firecrotch> What the heck? Umm... I somehow just moved the entire desktop down and to the left, including all of the icons on my desktop.
[12:12] <stdin> yeah, the desktop is a widget, it's movable :p
[12:12] <firecrotch> stdin:  How do I move it back?!
[12:12] <stdin> although I don't know *how* you moved it exactly
[12:12] <stdin> try zooming out and click+drag
[12:12] <firecrotch> stdin:  I was dragging an icon, and it jsut started moving
[12:13] <Jay-Oh-En> can somebody help me with kopete not loading my buddy list
[12:13] <stdin> it's 4.0.0, it'll have a few bugs :p
[12:13] <Jay-Oh-En> AIM buddy list
[12:13] <Tm_T> Jay-Oh-En: serverside list?
[12:14] <Jay-Oh-En> Tm_T: ?
[12:14] <Jay-Oh-En> Tm_T: what do you mean
[12:14] <Tm_T> Jay-Oh-En: load the buddy list from server?
[12:14] <Jay-Oh-En> Tm_T: yes
[12:14] <Jay-Oh-En> it did the first time i tried kopete
[12:14] <Jay-Oh-En> then i switched over to gaim
[12:14] <firecrotch> stdin:  Alright, I was able to get a hold of it again to move it
[12:15] <flithm> does anyone know what's with all the missing icons in kde4?
[12:15] <Jay-Oh-En> and purged kopete now i installed kopete and now its doing this
[12:15] <Beelze> i have the missing icons too
[12:15] <Tm_T> Jay-Oh-En: I wonder.... move your kopete configs away
[12:15] <stdin> firecrotch: just about everything you see on the desktop, except applications, is a widget and so it's movable/resizeable etc
[12:16] <firecrotch> stdin: Yeah, but I don't think anyone intended for the desktop to be able to be moved like that :)
[12:17] <Jay-Oh-En> Tm_T: can you please give me a code :]
[12:17] <stdin> firecrotch: no idea, you'l have to ask them :p
[12:18] <tdgs> hello every one
[12:18] <firecrotch> stdin: that's next on my list, after I figure out how i'm actually ending up moving it
[12:20] <tdgs> I added the repositories from http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[12:20] <Jay-Oh-En> Tm_T: where are they located?
[12:20] <tdgs> to try kde4
[12:20] <tdgs> and when I do sudo apt-get install kde4-core
[12:20] <tdgs> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:20] <tdgs>   kde4-core: Depends: kdebase-workspace (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[12:21] <tdgs> anyone has any idea?
[12:21] <stdin> tdgs: did you do "sudo apt-get update" first?
[12:21] <tdgs> yes
[12:21] <tdgs> just did it again
[12:22] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: where config files located for kopete
[12:22] <stdin> tdgs: what version of kubuntu do you have?
[12:22] <tdgs> when I do sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace
[12:22] <tdgs> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:22] <tdgs>   kdebase-workspace: Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed
[12:22] <tdgs>                      Depends: klipper-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed
[12:22] <tdgs>                      Depends: ksysguard-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed
[12:22] <tdgs>                      Depends: kwin-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed
[12:22] <tdgs>                      Depends: systemsettings-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed
[12:22] <tdgs>                      
[12:22] <tdgs> gutsy
[12:22] <stdin> !paste > tdgs
[12:22] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: /home/jon/.kde/share/apps
[12:22] <Jay-Oh-En> is thats where its located
[12:23] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: in ~/.kde/share/config/kopeterx and ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete
[12:23] <Jay-Oh-En> thanks
[12:24] <tdgs> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51545/
[12:24] <tdgs> sorry about the flooding
[12:24] <rudd-o> hi guise
[12:24] <rudd-o> anyone running kde4 with a case of no app keyboard shortcuts functional?
[12:24] <tdgs> any idead?
[12:24] <tdgs> ideas?
[12:25] <rudd-o> btw
[12:25] <stdin> tdgs: you have -backports enabled, the backported packages are trickling through. you can either wait, or disable -backports temporally
[12:28] <DarkWizzard> hello
[12:28] <DarkWizzard> how do I remove previous kde4 packages
[12:28] <DarkWizzard> without messing up my kde programs ?
[12:28] <perrantrevan> Hello folks. Removing old kde4 packages removed kubuntu-desktop!
[12:28] <DarkWizzard> because I get this
[12:28] <DarkWizzard> yep
[12:28] <DarkWizzard> thats my problem too
[12:29] <DarkWizzard> but I didn't remove them yet
[12:29] <stdin> DarkWizzard: not if you had RC2
[12:29] <perrantrevan> So i'm now using windows!
[12:29] <DarkWizzard> I had RC2
[12:29] <DarkWizzard> but it messes up things
[12:29] <DarkWizzard> wait
[12:29] <tdgs> thanks stdin!! You are great! Keep up the good work!
[12:29] <stdin> DarkWizzard: please use pastebin...
[12:29] <Pici> !enter
[12:29] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[12:29] <stdin> tdgs: no way, I need to sleep :p
[12:30] <tdgs> stdin: well you deserve it!
[12:30] <DarkWizzard> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51547/
[12:30] <spaetz> I always get a password prompt after resuming from suspend or hibernate on kubuntu 7.10. Any way to disable that?
[12:30] <Jay-Oh-En> spaetz: nope
[12:30] <spaetz> Screen saver settings have disabled the "password" setting already
[12:31] <stdin> DarkWizzard: don't remove it you don't have to, and if you want to do that use aptitude not apt-get
[12:31] <spaetz> Jay-Oh-En: ohh, that's a pity
[12:31] <DarkWizzard> ok so
[12:31] <Jay-Oh-En> spaetz: atleast i dont thinkso
[12:31] <DarkWizzard> I can procede to install kde4 ?
[12:31] <spaetz> ok, thanks in any case
[12:31] <stdin> DarkWizzard: yeah, but you may want to disable gutsy-backports if you have it for now
[12:32] <CharlieKane> stdin: thanks muchly !!
[12:32] <CharlieKane> KDE4.0 is installed *SQUEEEEEE!!!!*
[12:32] <DarkWizzard> ok
[12:32] <Beelze> i enable the desktop effekts...but kde reacts very slow now
[12:33] <Beelze> fglrx is running on a ati 9600
[12:33] <Beelze> some idea where the problem is?
[12:34] <stdin> *NOTICE: If you're trying to install KDE 4.0.0 but are getting errors like "Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed" then you need to temporarily disable the gutsy-backports repository or just wait until all the packages have made it into gutsy-backports*
[12:34] <wesley> does some have try the kde4 live cd already
[12:35] <odinsbane> stdin I had to reinstall all of the packages but it works great now.
[12:35] <dhq> how do i increase the size of the partition ext3
[12:35] <odinsbane> I was wondering are you the same 'stdin' that maintains the kubuntu.org?
[12:35] <stdin> wesley: the link to download the CD is on the announcement page
[12:35] <wesley> yes ik know i am downloading it at 150 kb
[12:36] <perrantrevan> So I removed kubuntu-desktop trying to install kde4. Tried to reinstall from command line but APT cannot connect to servers gb servers. Anyone know how I can fix the connection?
[12:36] <stdin> odinsbane: I don't maintain kubuntu.org Riddell does, but I have been mentioned on there :)
[12:36] <wesley> stdin is there a adept on the live cd
[12:36] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: so your one of the top guys?
[12:37] <stdin> wesley: I think it uses kpackage
[12:37] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: depends on your definition of "top" :p
[12:38] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: lol i deleted the conf files and now kopete doesnt work
[12:38] <stdin> perrantrevan: try another server, but just install kdebase-bin-kde4 and install "kde4-core"
[12:39] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: golden rule "never delete what you may need again" ;) next time just move them
[12:39] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: i still have them
[12:39] <Riddell> wesley: no, only apt-get
[12:39] <Jay-Oh-En> but they are in trash
[12:39] <rudd-o> kde4-workspace
[12:39] <perrantrevan> Thanks. I'm not sure how to change servers using apt.
[12:40] <stdin> perrantrevan: you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:40] <stdin> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list  for instance
[12:40] <olafski> can I get those compositing effects working with the new livecd? they don't seem to work.. (c2d e6600, 8800gtx, 2gb ram)
[12:40] <stdin> have you turned them on?
[12:40] <olafski> yes
[12:40] <olafski> but something went wrong there it seems
[12:41] <perrantrevan> stdin: thanks v much. can I reinstall kubuntu-desktop after installing kde4-core
[12:41] <olafski> I got a black screen with a white square in the center for like 10 seconds
[12:41] <stdin> perrantrevan: yes
[12:41] <olafski> then it reverted to old settings
[12:41] <olafski> after that I enabled them again and I didn't get the black screen, but no difference in appearance either
[12:41] <stdin> olafski: you'll probably need to set it to use XRender from Advanced
[12:42] <olafski> I'll give that a try.. rebooting :P
[12:44] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: how do i get a working version of kopete
[12:44] <stdin> what one, kde3 or kde4?
[12:44] <Jay-Oh-En> kde3
[12:45] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin:  your a monster youve been up so long go to sleep for god sake
[12:45] <olafski> stdin: definitely a change now.. everything is sluggish :s
[12:45] <stdin> I'll sleep at some odd time, probably 6pm or something :p
[12:46] <Jay-Oh-En> lol
[12:46] <DarkWizzard> stdin:
[12:46] <DarkWizzard> last problem
[12:46] <DarkWizzard> please help
[12:46] <DarkWizzard> I installed kde4
[12:46] <DarkWizzard> and enabled desktop effects
[12:46] <Jay-Oh-En> !enter
[12:46] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[12:46] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: try the kde4 version, I've never use aol IM so I have no idea
[12:46] <Beelze> are there any tipps for my xorg.conf with fglrx an the kde4 composite (it´s very slow on my maschine)
[12:46] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: will it work on kde3?
[12:46] <DarkWizzard> the screen went black, and I can't see anything, I restarted the session, but still
[12:46] <DarkWizzard> it's all black
[12:46] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: yeah :)
[12:47] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: i just want a .deb file so i can install kopete
[12:47] <dbglt> very odd
[12:47] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: you need kdelibs5 and kdepimlibs5 too
[12:47] <dbglt> kwin seems to be taking up ~50% of my cpu time after updating to kde4
[12:47] <DarkWizzard> I just want to know how to turn them off
[12:47] <dbglt> any ideas what could be wrong?
[12:47] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: im lost on how to do this
[12:48] <dbglt> I just upgraded according to the directions on the website on kubuntu.org
[12:48] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: i think you should maybe help those people first since your highly on demand
[12:48] <schiste> Is there a webpage with the hardware requirement for KDE4 ?
[12:48] <stdin> DarkWizzard: backup/move ~/kde4/share/config/kwinrc and choose "XRender" from Advanced this time
[12:48] <DarkWizzard> ok thanks
[12:48] <stdin> schiste: nope, not really
[12:49] <dbglt> stdin: sorry to interrupt, but you seem pretty knowledgeable - I've just updated to kde4, and according to top (and my loud buzzing fan!) kwin is taking around 50% or more of cpu time
[12:49] <dbglt> I tried turning translucency and shadows off, but that made no difference
[12:49] <schiste> Hmmm stdin just wondering if my graph card would stand KDE4
[12:49] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: install kdelibs5 and kdepimlibs5 from apt, then grab the PPA repository and install kopete-kde4
[12:49] <Jay-Oh-En> omg leave std alone
[12:50] <Jay-Oh-En> i bet stdin's chat list is all red
[12:50] <stdin> yellow actually
[12:50] <Jay-Oh-En> yellow
[12:50] <Jay-Oh-En> rawr
[12:50] <Jay-Oh-En> mooo
[12:50] <stdin> dbglt: try disabling the effects? there's still a lot of optimisation to be done with it, so they aren't perfect
[12:50] <stdin> schiste: what one do you have?
[12:51] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: what about ppa? where can i get that
[12:51] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: /topic
[12:52] <schiste> iirc a nvidia 128mo
[12:52] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: what link do i click
[12:53] <stdin> schiste: should be fine, works nicely on my intel chip, and I believe nvidia even updated their driver recently to work better with kde4 (yes, we can even get nvidia's attention)
[12:53] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: the kde4 link
[12:53] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: omg im dumb obviously
[12:53] <schiste> stdin ok great, I'll see if I dare upgrade to kde4 today ^^
[12:54] <Jucato> You don't "upgrade to kde4" :)
[12:55] <magicaltrevsky> anyone know where the wireless networking options are on the kde4 live cd?
[12:55] <stdin> >> wooh, Jucato's here! Please direct *ALL* KDE4 questions to him from now on <<
[12:55] <stdin> :p
[12:55] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: so i have to install kde4 to use kde4 kopete
[12:55] <schiste> Jucato hmm?
[12:55] <schiste> How do you want me to say it
[12:55] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: no, just install "kopete-kde4" and see what it wants
[12:55] <schiste> I install KDE 4 ? :)
[12:55] <Jucato> schiste: you install kde4 along side kde3...
[12:55] <Jucato> yes
[12:55] <schiste> ^^
[12:55] <Jucato> coz you can't migrate from kde3 to kde4 yet :)
[12:56] <aleksanteri> what repositories are known to have kde4?
[12:56] <schiste> Jucato oh?
[12:56] <dbglt> alright, where can I update more programs? I got the base now and kopete, what else can I get?
[12:56] <stdin> aleksanteri: the one in the topic
[12:56] <Jucato> aleksanteri: see the topic
[12:56] <aleksanteri> ah darn, thanks
[12:56] <stdin> dbglt: open adept and search for "kde4" or do "apt-cache search kde4" and see :)
[12:58] <schiste> Jucato that means if we install KDE4, I'll have both KDE4 and KDE3 ?
[12:58] <schiste> Is there any place I can find information about it ?
[12:58] <Jucato> yes. and you'll want that
[12:58] <schiste> Will I ? :D
[12:58] <Jucato> about which one?
[12:58] <magicaltrevsky> why does kde4 appear to have no network manager at all? D:
[12:58] <schiste> About the whole thing :)
[12:58] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: should i try kde4?
[12:58] <Jucato> magicaltrevsky: knm hasn't been ported yet
[12:58] <stdin> magicaltrevsky: because it dones't yet
[12:59] <magicaltrevsky> Jucato, ah, ok, thanks
[12:59] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: you really should :p
[12:59] <schiste> Jucato seems newbish but I like to know what I'm doing and why :)
[12:59] <Jucato> schiste: http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/
[12:59] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: i guess ill give it a try will you help me if i need it?
[12:59] <Jucato> schiste: the reason why you'll want to keep kde3 is because kde 4.0 is not yet complete
[12:59] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: either me or Jucato :)
[13:00] <Jucato> most likely stdin :)
[13:00] <stdin> nah, Jucato == da-man :)
[13:00] <titanix88> hey
[13:00] <titanix88> hey
[13:00] <Jucato> I know 0 about the problems with the kde4 packges... those are stdin's pets :)
[13:00] <dbglt> errm
[13:00] <stdin> if anything goes wrong: "aptitude remove $(dpkg -l |egrep '(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}') kdebase-bin-kde3+" is the cure
[13:00] <intelikey> well with the help of cw i got this thing seemlessly bridging two lan's now.    and it has improved performance of the overal network
[13:00] <dbglt> kde su is on drugs
[13:01] <dbglt> it keeps telling me my password is incorrect
[13:01] <dbglt> but it's not...
[13:01] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: great :) after i did everything in instructions on that page do i sudo apt-get update && upgrade
[13:01] <dbglt> I can sudo from a terminal with the exact same password
[13:01] <dbglt> and I've been using that password for months
[13:01] <stdin> dbglt: kdesu asks for the root pass, just use "kdesudo <application>" from krunner
[13:01] <Jucato> dbglt: kde4? yes known bug
[13:01] <dbglt> Jucato: ah
[13:01] <Jucato> see stdin's instructions
[13:01] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: after doing the instructions on that site, you will have kde4 installed
[13:02] <Jay-Oh-En> ok
[13:02] <intelikey> Jucato so if it works right it's a known bug ???   heh.
[13:02] <Jay-Oh-En> well i tried just adding deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main to my repos and installing kde4-core but it wasnt happening so dont i have to update && upgrade
[13:03]  * intelikey makes a note of that...
[13:03] <Jucato> intelikey: hm?
[13:03] <intelikey> kdesu "should" ask for the root password   anywhere except in ubuntu
[13:04] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: just "sudo apt-get update" then do "sudo apt-get install kdebase" then "sudo apt-get install kde4-core", then you can install kopete-kde4
[13:04] <Jucato> intelikey: the bug is that kdesu4 isn't set to be able to use sudo as an alternate to su, unlike in kdesu for kde3
[13:04] <intelikey> Jucato it's like saying   oh  su is asking for the root password, that's a known bug...   just use sudo.
[13:04] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: finally some guidance
[13:05] <intelikey> Jucato i know what you are saying.   and i even understand the *buntu way of thinking on that.  just sounded odd that "normal" behabiour was a known bug    that's all.
[13:06] <Jucato> intelikey: kdesu in kde3 can use either su or sudo. kdesu in kde4 seems unable to use sudo. that's a bug
[13:06] <gmontenegro> anyone uses KVpnc?
[13:06] <intelikey> assuming it is supposed to be able to use either.
[13:06] <Jucato> it is
[13:07]  * Jucato leaves it at that
[13:08] <schiste> ok installing kde4-core... if it doesn't work I'll sue you!
[13:08] <schiste> Or not ;)
[13:09] <stdin> you can't sue us, we have no money! muhahaha!
[13:09] <intelikey> sue me. i'm used to it.
[13:09] <wesley> you can sue microsoft
[13:09] <diosol> Hello. First time here..
[13:09] <intelikey> yeah do that.
[13:09] <MurielGodoi> Which are de differences between kde4 packages that are already in my apt-get and in the repository pointed in the kde4 topic link?
[13:09] <diosol> And.... I have a problem :)
[13:09] <intelikey> !welcome | diosol
[13:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about welcome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:09] <stdin> !hi
[13:09] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[13:09] <SSJ_GZ> diosol: Ask away :)
[13:10] <wesley> but then again xbox360 is a great piece of hardware
[13:10] <Pici> !welcome is <alias> hi
[13:10] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Pici
[13:10] <intelikey> stdin did seveas remove the !welcome message ?    well that's kinda a silly Q.   disreguard it.
[13:11] <billybobobo> On the kubuntu site's instructions for KDE4, it mentions "To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1 then  and run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the Xerphyr xterm."... huh??  is this something to do, or not?  I don't follow.  Why can't I pick KDE4 when I am at the login menu?
[13:11] <stdin> intelikey: I don't remember it being set, or it may have been lost in one of the bot crashes
[13:11] <stdin> billybobobo: you should be able to pick "KDE 4" from the login menu, that's just another option
[13:12] <billybobobo> what does it do differently?
[13:12] <intelikey> good point.   and it was set at one time.
[13:12] <stdin> lets you run a mini X server inside your current session, so you can have both on one screen
[13:12] <diosol> It seems that my laptop's cd-tray (or whatever is that slot called) is broken so I cant use cd for installing anything. So can Hardy installed from usb-stick or something like?
[13:12] <intelikey> had a link to the faq in it too  iirc
[13:12] <stdin> !install | diosol
[13:12] <ubotu> diosol: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[13:13] <diosol> ohmygosh
[13:13] <billybobobo> stdin: very cool, thank you for the clarification
[13:13]  * stdin pets ubotu
[13:13] <diosol> So you have automated answer for these simple questions :D
[13:13] <intelikey> yep.
[13:13] <stdin> !bot
[13:13] <diosol> never have done it else but cd and upgrade
[13:13] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[13:13] <schiste> stdin tsss tsss KDE foundation has plenty of money !
[13:13] <kristina> hi, is there a way to get more plasmoids? like the one with the picture frame?
[13:13] <schiste> :)
[13:14] <fernando> hi, I am using kubuntu 7.10 and I have I kayboard with media keys (back,forward,mute and so on). The same keyboard work just fine at home, but here at work even the mute doesn't work..(I am also using compiz-fusion)
[13:14] <fernando> how can I set my keyboard right?
[13:14] <stdin> schiste: not "plenty", just enough to pay some core-devs to make a blinding desktop
[13:14] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: i did what you said do i have to restart?
[13:15] <dbglt> is it just me, or are the menus on the default scheme exceedingly gnome like, and exceeding ugly?
[13:15] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: or just ctrl alt backspace
[13:15] <dbglt> application menus
[13:15] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: no, just log out and choose "KDE 4" from the login menu
[13:15] <stdin> !shortcut | freqmod_nx, try this
[13:15] <ubotu> freqmod_nx, try this: keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[13:16] <stdin> dbglt: try changing the theme :)
[13:16] <dbglt> maybe it's the oxygen icons? I just feel as if I've reverted to an old version of gnome
[13:17] <schiste> stdin I know, I was just kidding ;)
[13:18] <stdin> right, it's officially "lunch time" here. so if you ask me something and I don't reply, you know why :)
[13:23] <sp3c> Quick question regarding the annoucement at: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[13:24] <noname> Hello, where can I see the version of my restricted driver?
[13:24] <dbglt> is there a way to change the icon set of kde4?
[13:24] <noname> video driver I mean
[13:24] <sp3c> I did the performed the outline instructions.. and get a "E: Couldn't find package kde4-core"
[13:24] <sp3c> if I do an apt-seaech cache kde4... is see a few kde4 packages..  just no kde4-core
[13:25] <intelikey> sp3c that's a repos issue.
[13:25] <intelikey> !repos
[13:25] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[13:26] <intelikey> so the next release will be a red hairing eeh
[13:26] <sp3c> I figured that per the instructions, "Add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main to your /etc/apt/sources.list" , would of solved that
[13:27] <intelikey> have to update the database after the change
[13:27] <etfb> I figure this has been asked a bit lately, but...  I use my laptop for serious work, mainly Emacs, Firefox and OOo.  Can I upgrade to KDE4 now, or should I wait a while?
[13:28] <intelikey> etfb if stability is essential then newest version is not often the wisest of moves
[13:28] <sigma_1234> can i install kde4 to my pc using the live cd on the kubuntu site?
[13:29] <etfb> intelikey: That's a good general rule of thumb, but what can you tell me about the stability of KDE4?
[13:29] <intelikey> nothing at all
[13:29] <intelikey> never seen it.
[13:29] <etfb> intelikey: Ah.  Ah well.
[13:30] <intelikey> !worksforme
[13:30] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[13:30] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: few! glad i got outa that one
[13:30] <abdel071> hello
[13:30] <sigma_1234> i tested alpha1 and it was already a stable base back then. and things have only gotten better i assume
[13:30] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: it went to a black screen with a little white line that blinked so i uninstalled everthing and now it works
[13:31] <abdel071> hello
[13:32] <dbglt> is there a way to disable sounds / notifications in kde4?
[13:32] <sp3c> be back
[13:32] <intelikey> abdel071
[13:32] <sigma_1234> however some of the programs had issues which is only normal in a initial release
[13:32] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i remove all the kde4 packages?
[13:32] <Jay-Oh-En> and programs?
[13:32] <sigma_1234> jay that probably means it hung on the terminal
[13:33] <wucheng> kde4 has released today ,and i try to install but meet a problem, i can not install kdm-kde4 ,the error message is "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[13:33] <wucheng> Errors were encountered while processing:
[13:33] <wucheng>  kdm-kde4
[13:33] <wucheng> "
[13:33] <Jay-Oh-En> sigma_1234: whats that mean
[13:33] <Jay-Oh-En> wucheng: its kde4-core
[13:33] <Riddell> wucheng: kdm-kde4 package has problem, just stick to kdm from kde 3 for now
[13:34] <sigma_1234> jay it means that a error stopped the gui from starting
[13:34] <wucheng> Jay-Oh-En, you mean i should "apt-get install kde4-core", right?
[13:34] <etfb> Hmmmm.  Think I'll give KDE4 a miss until they iron out the bugs.  Maybe wait for Hardy Heron.  I've only just finished setting Gutsy up to work the way my Feisty installation used to work...
[13:35] <Jay-Oh-En> wucheng: nvm listen to riddle
[13:35] <JarekMk> hi
[13:35] <schiste> Ok pretty nice
[13:35] <Jay-Oh-En> wucheng: but yeah thats what i meant
[13:35] <JarekMk> did enybody have kde4?
[13:35] <schiste> I have to get used to the new Kmenu ^^
[13:35] <sigma_1234> eftb: why dont u just give the livecd a try?
[13:36] <intelikey> etfb i know it may sound like a "stupid question" but if you want it to work like the older version, why upgrade in the first place ?     and when the next LTS comes out you might consider riding it for a full year...   just a thought.
[13:37] <firecrotch> schiste:  There's a widget that you can add to the panel that is the old style kmenu
[13:37] <sigma_1234> Riddell: is the kde4 livecd also a installer cd?
[13:38] <Pensa`MIA> what packages to install beside kde4-core to get kde4 native applications?
[13:38] <Riddell> sigma_1234: yes
[13:39] <kristina> how do I disable system sounds in kde4?
[13:39] <kristina> Pensa`MIA: application-kde4
[13:40] <intelikey> kristina kcontrol > sound ?    not that i know for sure.
[13:40] <dbglt> is there anyway to disable sound within kde?
[13:40] <Jay-Oh-En> do download managers make downlaods go faster?
[13:40] <dbglt> annoying the buggery out of me
[13:41] <Pensa`MIA> and kde4 card games and stuff?
[13:41] <dbglt> (using kde4)
[13:41] <kristina> Pensa`MIA: kpat-kde4
[13:41] <sigma_1234> apparently they do jay
[13:41] <kristina> or the whole kde4games
[13:42] <kristina> or something like that
[13:42] <schiste> Hmm Konversation writings are really really tiny... have to change it :)
[13:42] <Pensa`MIA> thx
[13:42] <Jay-Oh-En> sigma_1234: what one do you recomend
[13:42] <sigma_1234> depends on your setup though
[13:42] <articpenguin3800> hows KDE4
[13:42] <firecrotch> articpenguin3800:  I love it :)
[13:42] <sigma_1234> the only one i saw was kget
[13:42] <Jay-Oh-En> sigma_1234: ill try it
[13:42] <kristina> does anybody else find it hard to get used to all the resizing going on while playing kpat?
[13:42] <sigma_1234> !kget
[13:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kget - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:42] <articpenguin3800> i am going to install when i free up some space =)    a lot of unused linux games on my harddisk
[13:43] <intelikey> !info kget
[13:43] <ubotu> kget: download manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 442 kB, installed size 1196 kB
[13:43] <sigma_1234> its in da repo's
[13:43] <kristina> intelikey: hmm can't really find it
[13:43] <Jay-Oh-En> sigma_1234: how would i get rid of all the kde4 apps
[13:44] <intelikey> kristina i don't have kde4   maybe someone else can point it out.    stdin when he's finished eating.
[13:45] <Jay-Oh-En> sigma_1234: ?
[13:46] <kristina> intelikey: ok tnx
[13:46] <stick> hya ...i have one question ...
[13:46] <stick> kubuntu dosen't support multiple sound instances ?
[13:46] <sonoftheclayr> Anybody have any initial thoughts on KDE 4?
[13:47] <intelikey> stick yeah it do.   if you set him upright
[13:47] <Lynoure> sonoftheclayr: all over blogosphere...
[13:47] <stick> becaus when i play music(mp3) with Amarok ...the other programs dosn't start
[13:47] <sonoftheclayr> Lynoure: Yeah I'm writing my post now
[13:48] <stick> so can you help me set it up right then ?
[13:50] <momal> Anyone had probs with kde4 making like 2 desktops and the bottom panel is in a window bit?
[13:51] <stick> the weard thing is ..that i,m plaing music from Amarok ..and i hear the sound's from Kopete for example ...but if i whant to run a program like Creox it wont start ...or if it starts give me an error like "Error : "
[13:52] <_Angelus_> man
[13:52] <_Angelus_> is there a way to make a pure KDE4 in kubuntu?
[13:52] <_Angelus_> there is all this double shortcuts in my kde menu, plus i dont need kde3 anymore...
[13:53] <_Angelus_> and i cant find a meta package to install every kde4 prog....
[13:53] <stick> seams today all the people are sleeping ...or they are to tired to answer to noobs like us
[13:53] <_Angelus_> why didnt the kubuntu team just upgrade kde3 to kde4 instead of installing both? :(
[13:53] <firecrotch> _Angelus_:  there's a package called kde4 that is all the kde4 apps
[13:53] <articpenguin3800> i added http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main and now i have 44 updates should i upgrade them?
[13:54] <stick> !multimple instances
[13:54] <_Angelus_> firecrotch: of course i installed that , but it didnt install al kde4...
[13:54] <articpenguin3800> !mutiple instances
[13:54] <momal> !multiple instances
[13:54] <stick> i'm looking for a problem of mine
[13:55] <momal> http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4787/2desktopskde4wthtc6.jpg <-- please help seems strange prob :( like 2 desktops
[13:55] <stick> with the sound
[13:55] <stick> !sound
[13:55] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[13:55] <thewhitepelican> here problem, here problem
[13:55] <thewhitepelican> just kidding
[13:55] <Jay-Oh-En> thewhitepelican: ?
[13:55] <sonoftheclayr> Okay that's not cool. I just tried to change the colour scheme in KDE 4 and all I got was a black scree...and a cursor
[13:56] <momal> at least you dont' have 2 desktops running :'(
[13:56] <sek_> hi. i've a problem with the device cd/dvd.. someone can help me please?
[13:57] <thewhitepelican> yes, Jay-Oh-En ?
[13:57] <LjL> jpatrick, any news about backports and 4?
[13:57] <jpatrick> LjL: /topic
[13:57] <thewhitepelican> what is your problem, sek_ ?
[13:57] <jpatrick> LjL: I'm using backports version right now...
[13:58] <LjL> jpatrick: that's still PPA though...
[13:58] <LjL> uhm, my mirror still has 3.96
[13:58] <sek_> thank's. i have done a restore some day ago. now the device is only in read status and i can' t write
[13:58] <Jay-Oh-En> thewhitepelican: what was the here problem here problem thing about?
[13:58] <jpatrick> LjL: yes, one can't delete stuff from PPA
[13:58] <thewhitepelican> it was a joke
[13:58] <thewhitepelican> the person was looking for a problem
[13:58] <Jay-Oh-En> sek_: is it a dvd drive?
[13:58] <sek_> yes
[13:58] <Jay-Oh-En> thewhitepelican: lol
[13:59] <LjL> jpatrick: no, i meant to say, it's still *only* in PPA... the kubuntu.org announcement gives PPA, not backports, and my backports mirror still doesn't have 4.0
[13:59] <Jay-Oh-En> sek_: then it should be just read
[13:59] <Jay-Oh-En> sek_: that how all mine are
[13:59] <Jay-Oh-En> !galeon
[13:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about galeon - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:59] <Jay-Oh-En> !info galeon
[13:59] <ubotu> galeon: GNOME web browser for advanced users. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.2-4ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 701 kB, installed size 1608 kB
[14:00] <jpatrick> LjL: well I have the es.* mirror and it has i
[14:00] <jpatrick> it*
[14:00] <LjL> jpatrick: i'll try those
[14:00] <LjL> i'm on se.*
[14:00] <sek_> but i can't write dvd, and the device is disabled
[14:01] <Jay-Oh-En> sek_: im not sure then
[14:02] <PJC> http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/install.html <<<<<< dead link?
[14:02] <LjL> jpatrick: wait, kdebase-bin-kde4 is still 3.96 even in es.* backports... did that package change name? (it's 4.0 in PPA)
[14:02] <thewhitepelican> sek_, can you burn anything? and what are you using for software?
[14:02] <Jay-Oh-En> sek_: but try going to kmenu and go to system settings
[14:02] <martijn81> Hi, i want to install the kde4 version of ktorrent. If i install it inside kde4, so i have to remove the kde3 version of  ktorrent first?
[14:02] <nosrednaekim> LjL: I think you are supposed to use the PPA
[14:03] <Jay-Oh-En> sek_: then go to advanced tab the go to disc &file systems
[14:03] <LjL> nosrednaekim: so says the announcement
[14:03] <nosrednaekim> martijn81: no, they can coexist
[14:03] <martijn81> cool
[14:03] <sek_> i use k3b. i can't burn cd and dvd
[14:03] <martijn81> thanks nosrednaekim
[14:03] <sek_> yes, i am in system settings
[14:03] <nosrednaekim> martijn81: all kde4 apps can coexist with kde3 ones, The whole desktop can co-exist
[14:03] <LjL> nosrednaekim: but i'm not eager to use PPA if backports will have it or has it, because PPA packages have names ending in ~gutsy1~ppa1, and i fear that they would override any backports packages
[14:03] <DreadKnight> how can i make the default kde4 bar to reapear?
[14:03] <sek_> disk and filesystem
[14:03] <martijn81> but how does make know that it should install somewhere else?
[14:04] <nosrednaekim> LjL: I THINK that anything from backports actually overrieds PPA... there was something about that a couple weeks ago.
[14:04] <LjL> nosrednaekim, it all depends on the package versions they give to stuff.
[14:04] <nosrednaekim> martijn81: all kde4 stuff goes to /usr/lib/kde4/bin whereas all kde3 stuff goes to /usr/bin automatically
[14:04] <jpatrick> LjL: I think that's the problem I'm having..
[14:04] <LjL> if they call them 4.0ubuntu2, that would do it
[14:04] <stick> so enyone can help me with this eror pls ?
[14:05] <stick> Audio output unavailable; the device is busy.
[14:05] <stick> xine parameters:
[14:05] <momal> Anyone know about 2 desktops showing up in kde4 >_<
[14:05] <Jucato> [20:34] <stdin> *NOTICE: If you're trying to install KDE 4.0.0 but are getting errors like "Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed" then you need to temporarily disable the gutsy-backports repository or just wait until all the packages have made it into gutsy-backports*
[14:05] <Jay-Oh-En> sek_: now try looking in there
[14:05] <martijn81> nosrednaekim: thanks, but how does the OS know which ktorrent i want to start then?
[14:05] <Jucato> (just in case someone needed that)
[14:05] <stick> Audio output unavailable; the device is busy.
[14:05] <kristjan_> what's up with kde 4 sharing $HOME/.kde with kde 3.5 -- doesn't it mess up things?
[14:06] <nosrednaekim> kristjan_: it doesn't.. it uses .kde4
[14:06] <stick> damn sound
[14:06] <LjL> Jucato: which somewhat implies that they *will* be in backports... in fact, kdebase-workspace-bin *is* version 4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1, but kdebase-bin-kde4 isn't (still 3.96)
[14:06] <stick> grrr i just hate it
[14:06] <LjL> and that would also confirm my fears:
[14:06] <sek_> yes, i have 3 partition. first one dev/sda1, second one dev/sda5
[14:06] <nosrednaekim> DreadKnight: erase your .kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc
[14:06] <LjL>      4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1 0        500 http://es.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-backports/universe Packages
[14:06] <LjL>      4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1 0        500 http://ppa.launchpad.net gutsy/main Packages
[14:07] <LjL> this would make ppa override backports
[14:07] <kristjan_> nosrednaekim: are you sure? last time I tried it (rc2) it used $HOME/.kde
[14:07] <sek_> then the third one isn't /dev/cdrom0 but proc
[14:07] <martijn81> nosrednaekim: ?
[14:07] <nosrednaekim> kristjan_: really? you muct have changed $KDEHOME somewhere in the startupscript then
[14:07] <stick> !xine
[14:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xine - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:08] <nosrednaekim> martijn81: there will be two options in your menu's (I believe)
[14:08] <DarkWizzard> Hello.I have direct rendering under kde3 but when I swich to kde4 I get direct rendering:no. Why ?
[14:08] <DreadKnight> nosrednaekim: thanks i've heard it's the solution, what if i delete the entire ./kde4 folder ? because i had the alpha.. and i got tiny fonts for kde3 apps
[14:08] <martijn81> ok, thanks'i will try it out :)
[14:08] <nosrednaekim> DreadKnight: as long as you don't have any emails or such stored there, thats fine
[14:08] <DreadKnight> nosrednaekim: thanks :)
[14:08] <_Angelus_> will the live cd of kde4 allow you to do an installation?
[14:08] <kristjan_> nosrednaekim: could you check you /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde file -- does it have "export KDEHOME=~/.kde4" ?
[14:09] <jpatrick> kristjan_: we have patch kdelibs for that
[14:09] <jpatrick> patched*
[14:09] <_Angelus_> im tired of this goddamn confusing installation having both kde3 and kde4 i dunno why the hell didnt kubuntu just upgrade there kde to kde4
[14:09] <kristjan_> jpatrick: so export is not needed anymore?
[14:09] <nosrednaekim> kristjan_: well first of all, i'm still on rc2, second, I maually edited startkde so i'm not sure what the defaults were
[14:09] <jpatrick> kristjan_: no
[14:09] <jpatrick> _Angelus_: what's so confusing?
[14:09] <tuxick> _Angelus_: careful with swearing, i noticed most channels on freenode are allergic to that
[14:09] <tuxick> wonder why
[14:10] <_Angelus_> i didnt swear
[14:10] <tuxick> ;p
[14:10] <_Angelus_> is "hell" swearing?
[14:10] <ndee> I'm SO wondering how kde4 will be :D
[14:10] <_Angelus_> :o
[14:10] <Jucato> this channel is too :)
[14:10] <Jucato> ndee: kde4 or kde 4.0?
[14:10] <kristjan_> jpatrick: since the final release or earlier? then I installed rc2 the export line was also missing in /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde
[14:10] <jpatrick> _Angelus_: just added the PPA repo and install kdebase-workspace-dev
[14:10] <_Angelus_> i want  only kde4 on my pc
[14:10] <_Angelus_> not both
[14:10] <kristjan_> jpatrick: do the kde 4 apps work in kde 3 now?
[14:11] <jpatrick> kristjan_: yes
[14:11] <Jay-Oh-En> _Angelus_: then install hardy
[14:11] <kristjan_> _Angelus_: you have to wait a little longer, hardy doesn't have kde 4 cd yet
[14:11] <Jay-Oh-En> kristjan_: oops lol
[14:11] <jpatrick> _Angelus_: so apt-get remove kdelibs4
[14:12] <_Angelus_> removing things from kubuntu will delete half of your system , if they came pre-installed
[14:12] <sek_> jay-oh-en, yet here?
[14:12] <jpatrick> _Angelus_: why? it's ubuntu-base + kde
[14:13] <Jay-Oh-En> sek_: yes?
[14:13] <sek_> sorry for my english..
[14:13] <Jay-Oh-En> sek_: its good i can understand
[14:13] <_Angelus_> jpatrick:  try to remove something that came pre-installed with kubuntu :) and see what happens to your computer
[14:13] <sek_> ok
[14:13] <Jay-Oh-En> sek_: both of mine are disables
[14:13] <Jay-Oh-En> disabled
[14:13]  * genii sips a coffee
[14:14] <Jay-Oh-En> genii: you and your coffee
[14:14] <genii> Jay-Oh-En: Without it I'd be sleeping at work ;)
[14:14] <sek_> ok, but the third disk partition isn't /dev/cdrom0 but "proc"
[14:14] <Jay-Oh-En> genii: oh dang we dont want that do we
[14:14] <Jay-Oh-En> genii: where do you work
[14:14] <sek_> what does it mean?
[14:15] <Jay-Oh-En> sek_: ill take a screenshot of mine and you tell me if yours looks the same
[14:15]  * LjL will try out the live CD, don't like the ppa/backports mess :P
[14:15] <jpatrick> LjL: ppa ftw
[14:15] <Pinguliten> What should I use instead of the "sudo gedit" part of the tutorials? "kdesu kate"?
[14:15] <sek_> ok
[14:15] <LjL> Pinguliten: yeah
[14:15] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: kdesudo
[14:15] <LjL> Pinguliten: also, "sudo gedit" is wrong. one should use "gksudo gedit"
[14:16] <jpatrick> !kdesudo > Pinguliten
[14:16] <LjL> jpatrick: maybe, but i'd rather have backports, makes me more comfortable psychologically
[14:16] <LjL> Pinguliten: which tutorials have you found "sudo gedit" in?
[14:17] <Pinguliten> Everywhere on the ubuntu forums while trying to get my stupid audio to work
[14:17] <Jay-Oh-En> sek_: http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/pronege/mydekstop3.png
[14:18] <LjL> Pinguliten: ah well, ubuntuforums is not a wiki that can be changed... but please remember to tell others to use gksudo/kdesudo for graphical applications, *always*
[14:18] <genii> Jay-Oh-En: I work several places actually. But right now at the one which is to be a building superintendant slash elevator operator
[14:18] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: heh, getting the computer to boot is only the first problem, eh :)
[14:18] <Pinguliten> tell me about it.
[14:19] <Pinguliten> Didn't boot at all at first until I use noapic and nolapic
[14:19] <PoeticJaffaCake> any idea why I am getting borken depandancy messages such as: Depends: dolphin-kde4 (>= 4:3.96.0-1ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed
[14:19] <Jay-Oh-En> genii: thats what im gonig to be doing (elevator operator) are you in a union
[14:19] <PoeticJaffaCake> when i try to install
[14:19] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: I know :)
[14:19] <Pinguliten> Ah yeah, thanks again. ^^
[14:19] <nosrednaekim>  know about 2 desktops showing up in kde4 >_<
[14:19] <nosrednaekim> [09:05] <Jucato> [20:34] <stdin> *NOTICE: If you're trying to install KDE 4.0.0 but are getting errors like "Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed" then you need to temporarily disable the gutsy-backports repository or just wait until all the packages have made it into gutsy-backports*
[14:19] <Pinguliten> I did manage to get sound but after a reboot it was gone again.
[14:20] <PoeticJaffaCake> thank you nosrednaekim
[14:20] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: you can leave out my nick :)
[14:20] <Pinguliten> Also getting errors after using adept installer. ^^
[14:21] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: aww but you are so omnipresent :)
[14:21] <PoeticJaffaCake> the gutsy backports are commented out in my sources.lst
[14:21] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: so is stdin :D
[14:21] <genii> Jay-Oh-En: I'm in the Elevator Operator's Association of Toronto, but no union
[14:21] <martijn81> nosrednaekim: now it asks me for a file, do you have any ideas on this? (see latest post here: http://ktorrent.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12090#12090 )
[14:21] <Pinguliten> Good thing one can do stuff manualy with apt-get
[14:21] <Jay-Oh-En> genii: oh ill be joining a union
[14:22] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: whats the error?
[14:22]  * genii keeps waiting for the OT warn
[14:22] <Pinguliten> Also, when uninstalling stuff should I use remove or purge?
[14:22] <Jay-Oh-En> genii: same with me
[14:22] <Pinguliten> Complained about not making logs or something....
[14:22] <Jay-Oh-En> !offtopic
[14:22] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[14:22] <Pinguliten> Wait let me just install some random thing
[14:22] <Jay-Oh-En> sek_: did you get it working
[14:23] <nosrednaekim> martijn81: woah! what are you installing from svn for? there are packages out there :)
[14:23] <PoeticJaffaCake> so guys. any idea why I'm getting the dependancy issues when the gutsy back ports are commetned out in my sources.list?
[14:23] <nosrednaekim> PoeticJaffaCake: did you run "apt-get update"?
[14:23] <PoeticJaffaCake> no :o
[14:23] <minterior> hi
[14:24] <sek_> jay-oh-en, i don't know how.. but after, my second partition (that you called /dev/hsc2) was call "proc". now i reloaded disk&filesystem and it works correctly... so, sorry for the disturb and thank's for theh support
[14:24] <nosrednaekim> PoeticJaffaCake: changes don't take effect until you do that
[14:24] <PoeticJaffaCake> ok, thank you
[14:24] <thewhitepelican> does kububtu have the "official" full version of kde4?
[14:24] <martijn81> nosrednaekim: no i install from the lastest beta, i just use svn as a folder for latest packages, lol
[14:24] <Jay-Oh-En> sek_: no prob
[14:24] <Jay-Oh-En> sek_: didnt disturb
[14:24] <nosrednaekim> martijn81: you are compiling though..
[14:24] <sek_> bye and have a nice day
[14:24] <Jay-Oh-En> you too sek_
[14:25] <martijn81> nosrednaekim: i know, kde4 does not come with the latest beta
[14:25] <croland> thewhitepelican: I think so: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[14:25] <nosrednaekim> martijn81: ah, well, then go over to the ktorrent channel or mybe kde4-devel, we're not really experts on Cmake here ;)
[14:26] <minterior> I'm trying to run KDE4 with Xephyr, and when I write "Xephyr :1 & export DISPLAY=:1; xterm" in Konsole it opens a new Window with a lot of mini-squares (it seems noise) but not a xterm console
[14:26] <nosrednaekim> thewhitepelican: yep.. it does
[14:26] <martijn81> hmm, there is no ktorrent channel unfortunately,  but iĺl try kde4-devel1
[14:26] <martijn81> !
[14:26] <martijn81> oops
[14:26] <martijn81> ghehe
[14:26] <minterior> how can I write startkde? What I'm doing wrong?
[14:27] <Pinguliten> nosrednaekim: Swedish here but a loose translation: "Could not archive changes - Adept-installation"
[14:27] <nosrednaekim> minterior: hmm haven't tried that method yet sorry\
[14:27] <genii> hmm , could not save changes
[14:27] <Pinguliten> Knotify reared it's ugly head as well.
[14:28] <PoeticJaffaCake> thank you nosrednaekim, am now in KDE4
[14:28] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: ya know, there is a swedish channel.  but as long as you speak english you are quite qelcome here (just letting you know)
[14:28] <nosrednaekim> PoeticJaffaCake: sweet :)
[14:28] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: are you running as root
[14:28] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: try "kdesudo adept_manager"
[14:29] <Pinguliten> Usualy when I start the program it wants my password.
[14:29] <Pinguliten> I'll give it a try
[14:29] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: oh, then that might not be the problem
[14:29] <minterior> nosrednaekim: oops :( but it is in the oficial announcement... someone else has tried it?
[14:29] <Pinguliten> I'll just start from scratch again in a few minutes either way so no real problem if I break something beyond repair.
[14:30] <nosrednaekim> i'm sure someone has....
[14:30] <Jay-Oh-En> i recemend everybody get kget
[14:30] <Jay-Oh-En> my downlaod went so fast
[14:30] <DreadKnight> katapult hasn't been packed for kde4?
[14:30] <nosrednaekim> minterior: try something.... replace that ";" with  "&"
[14:30] <DreadKnight> :|
[14:30] <cyt> Hi there. I found that when I boot Kubuntu, updatedb will run automatically, how to I disable this?
[14:30] <Pinguliten> Backtracing one of the crashes and suprise suprise.. some audio sounding thing is involved.
[14:30] <Jay-Oh-En> i say 10 or 15 mins for a whole live cd
[14:31] <nosrednaekim> DreadKnight: Krunner kinda replaces katapult
[14:31] <tue> Hello. I got some kde 4 related problems. i installed kde4-core and kdm-kde4. I also added /usr/lib/kde4/bin to my path in .bashrc. When i start the kde4 session through kdm4, there is just a blue background and a terminal window with no window decorations. then when i run kwin-kde4 and plasma, i get panel and window decorations, but if i close said terminal window the session terminates and there are repainting issues *all over* the place.
[14:31] <nosrednaekim> tue: are you sure you aren't starting "failsafe" mode?
[14:32] <Pinguliten> A general question though, if you break it down what is the difference between gnome and kde? People start with one and then their ego gets in their way?
[14:32] <tue> in kdm4 in session type, i choosed kde4. but im not sure :-)
[14:33] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: look at it this way, if you are the type who gets their latest computer and jst crams it under their desk and uses the already installed windows and never make a single modification.gnome is for you. otherwise, you'll probably be happier with kde
[14:33] <DreadKnight> nosrednaekim: uglier launch shortcut and no integration with amarok so far ... can't switch tracks 'on the fly', hope things will change soon
[14:33] <minterior> nosrednaekim: yeah!!!! I've done it!!!
[14:34] <minterior> nosrednaekim: final good result is:
[14:34] <nosrednaekim> DreadKnight: yeah, someone (maybe you!) will write some new backends.
[14:34] <bob__> OMG
[14:34] <bob__> KDe4 rockss
[14:34] <Pinguliten> Seeing as I was using lightstep on windows for a long time I think I see your point.
[14:34] <minterior> nosrednaekim: final good result is:
[14:34] <minterior> G
[14:34] <minterior> [
[14:34] <nosrednaekim> minterior: what was wrong?
[14:34] <bob__> its weard , because its not really  final release.
[14:34] <bob__> some bug, some lag ..
[14:35] <bob__> but the potentiel is huge
[14:35] <martijn81> nosrednaekim: i get directed to here again. Should be somthing with not fixed the paths in the kubuntu packages
[14:35] <martijn81> any idea?
[14:35] <nosrednaekim> minterior: what?
[14:36] <Pinguliten> Is there a way to get quicker access to konsole then just starting it through the program menue?
[14:37] <minterior> nosrednaekim: final good result is: 1. Write in konsole "Xephyr :1 & xterm" (it opens 2 windows) 2. Write in the xterm window "export DISPLAY=:1" and then "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde" (it starts kde4 in the Xephyr window)
[14:37] <martijn81> anyone here knows more about the kubuntu packages for kde4?
[14:37] <Jay-Oh-En> Pinguliten: whats lightstep?
[14:37] <nosrednaekim> minterior: ah :)
[14:37] <minterior> hurray! :)
[14:38] <nosrednaekim> martijn81: you'll probably need to add /usr/lib/kde4/bin to your path
[14:38] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: give it a shortcut
[14:38] <martijn81> k, how do i fix that?
[14:40] <minterior> nosrednaekim: ups, I always use dvorak, but this window (and kde4 session) its configured for qwerty :(
[14:41] <nosrednaekim> minterior: chage it
[14:41] <eml> Anyone know when KDE4 is coming into ubuntu sources?
[14:41] <eml> Or is it there but not as an upgrade for kde3?
[14:41] <nosrednaekim> eml: its in the kubuntu-memebers PPA
[14:41] <rebugger> eml: there isn an upgrade
[14:41] <minterior> eml: in kubuntu already exist
[14:41] <rebugger> jep
[14:41] <eml> nosrednaekim, Alright, the one which hosted RC2 previously right?
[14:42] <Pinguliten> Jay-Oh-En: An old and I think now dead alternative "explorer" for windows. Behaved more like early kde I think. Multiple dektops, loads of plugins, clickable buttons on desktop etc and usualy used way less resources than explorer. Downside was you had to configure alot of text files in order to get it as you wanted. Still it was quite nice.
[14:42] <nosrednaekim> eml: yes
[14:42] <eml> Ah ok
[14:42] <eml> Thanks
[14:42] <croland> minterior: Do you use dvorak with vim?
[14:42] <nosrednaekim> Pinguliten: wow... I didn't know you could replace the deafult windows DE
[14:42] <Pinguliten> Only needed one regustry change really.
[14:43] <Jay-Oh-En> Pinguliten: sounds kool but i rather just use kde :] and thanks for taking the time to write that
[14:43] <nosrednaekim> wonder if kde4 will be able to do that
[14:43] <corentin> Hi everyone
[14:43] <nosrednaekim> hey
[14:43] <kingrayray> I used to run blackbox on windows
[14:44] <Pinguliten> same thing basicaly I suppose.
[14:44] <kingrayray> pretty much
[14:44] <_Angelus_> guys
[14:44] <_Angelus_> kubuntu-desktop package is no longer of use for those using kde4 now right?
[14:44] <kingrayray> i updated to kde4 release a little bit ago, but things are acting slightly oddly
[14:45] <nosrednaekim> _Angelus_: it is if you want to keep your kde3
[14:45] <nosrednaekim> Bye eveyone! have fun with the awesomeness of kde4
[14:45] <nosrednaekim> :)
[14:45] <kingrayray> byebye
[14:46] <_Angelus_> and if i dont want kde 3 anymore? can i remove kubuntu-desktop ?
[14:47] <jpatrick> _Angelus_: yes
[14:47] <jpatrick> _Angelus_: see: apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop
[14:47] <Jucato> _Angelus_: you'll definitely want kde 3 for now :)
[14:47] <_Angelus_> why would i Jucato ? :o
[14:48] <Jucato> _Angelus_: because KDE 4.0 is far from complete. for example, no kdepim (Kontact and stuff)
[14:48] <tuxick> really?
[14:48] <tuxick> bad idea to release it then
[14:48]  * Jucato sighs
[14:48] <Jucato> KDE 4.0 is not KDE 3.6
[14:49] <Jucato> think of KDE 4.0 as a big jump away from KDE 3.5... not everything in KDE 3 is there yet
[14:50] <martijn81> i right clicked and did: remove taskmanager on the plasma panel in kde4, now half the "kicker" is gone, what todo?
[14:52] <_Angelus_> yeah
[14:52] <_Angelus_> its like a brand new kde
[14:52] <_Angelus_> xD
[14:52] <kristjan_> _Angelus_: it has "potential"
[14:52] <Pinguliten> Loads of bugs and quirks to find. :D
[14:52] <_Angelus_> i like it myself , looks pretty good
[14:53] <jords> hey, gtk+ apps (firefox in paticular) look awful when i use kde4...what do i need to start? I assume theres something that's autostarted in the kde3 session to give a decent gtk style
[14:53] <kristjan_> _Angelus_: what's up with panel, can I make it smaller and translucent now?
[14:53] <_Angelus_> not yet kristjan_
[14:53] <_Angelus_> cant be resized for now
[14:54] <_Angelus_> well actually you can somehow by editing a file...
[14:54] <_Angelus_> but there is no proper way to do it
[14:54] <kristjan_> _Angelus_: now ... that's disappointing :-/
[14:55] <Jay-Oh-En> any programs with webcam support for linux besides kopete
[14:55] <_Angelus_> Jay-Oh-En:  amsn :)
[14:55] <kristjan_> all this hype will only harm the first impression
[14:55] <egonw> moin, I just tried firing up a KDE4 session with the new debs, but ran into an error cannot find 'kde4init'... what package did I forget to install? I followed the instructions on kubuntu.org and installed kde4-core...
[14:55] <Danker> Hi
[14:56] <Jay-Oh-En> _Angelus_: but amsn is pertty ugly
[14:56] <Danker> Would be there any problems if I would use the new hardy heron as my desktop OS and update it constantly until It is released? :)
[14:57] <_Angelus_> Jay-Oh-En: amsn is nice.. just download the cannabis skin for example and you'll see, besides its the best messenger ever :)
[14:57] <Jay-Oh-En> _Angelus_: where can i get that skin
[14:57] <NielsE> I have just installed kde4, but how come firefox is suddendly so ugly, how can I fix that?
[14:57] <_Angelus_> http://amsn-project.net Jay-Oh-En click the skins tab and choose :)
[14:58] <jords> NielsE: having same problem, emergency faq anyone?
[14:58] <_Angelus_> NielsE:  i bet the program that makes GTK progs look QT still hasn't been ported to kde4
[14:58] <NielsE> _Angelus_: that program will come through the updates sooner or later?
[14:58] <_Angelus_> i dunno
[14:59] <NielsE> or I just have to choose another gtk-theme somewhere?
[14:59] <_Angelus_> its not the theme... its the engine
[15:00] <NielsE> k, too bad
[15:00] <jords> NielsE: no theres nothing to be ported... it's just that theres a program that runs to set your gtk theme
[15:00] <_Angelus_> the program that gives you the options of choosing between gtk and qt engines for GTK progs to not apear as standard, is not ported to kde4 , at least, thats my bet
[15:01] <jords> NielsE: when you start kde3, and it's not starting automatically with kde4 because the autostart is nerfed. so we must find which program it is... gtk- something :D
[15:02] <sebbar> hi, so will hardy ship with just kde 4 or kde 3.5 and kde 4 as an option?
[15:03] <jords> sebbar: kde4 and 3.5, you can choose.
[15:03] <WinstonSmith> Where is the KDE4 volume control?
[15:03] <jords> sebbar: not sure what default will be. depends how much they can polish the kde4 for release i soppose.
[15:04] <sebbar> jords: ok tnx
[15:06] <jords> Ok, akregator will not start in a kde4 session for me...  WARNING: Another instance of klauncher is already running! kdeinit: Communication error with launcher. Exiting!
[15:09] <eml> Jucato, Wanna tell me more about kdesudo? How do I make my programs use it?
[15:10] <Jucato> eml: when you need to run a kde4 program that needs sudo, use "kdesudo app" to run it
[15:10] <Jucato> (instead of "kdesu app")
[15:10] <eml> Alright
[15:10] <martin_> hi, i'm having some trouble with gtk applications in kd4... they all seem to use the gray boxy theme and i can't see where to change it to something like clearlooks, is this possible?
[15:11] <jpatrick> !kdesudo | eml
[15:11] <ubotu> eml: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[15:18] <jords> Ok, akregator will not start in a kde4 session for me...  WARNING: Another instance of klauncher is already running! kdeinit: Communication error with launcher. Exiting!
[15:18] <NielsE> how do I turn on compisiting? I dont believe its enabled by default?
[15:18] <jords> in system settings, appearance
[15:18] <jords> somewhere in there :D
[15:19] <Jucato_> NielsE: System Settings -> Desktop -> Desktop Effects
[15:19] <TuxOtaku> hey guys, question....the PPA packages being offered on the kubuntu site for KDE4.....is this the official release version?
[15:20] <Jucato_> TuxOtaku: yes
[15:20] <TuxOtaku> cool
[15:20] <TuxOtaku> one more question, is the official release version of KDE 4 compatible with compiz?
[15:20] <TuxOtaku> because RC2 had some issues with it
[15:20] <jpatrick> TuxOtaku: yes!
[15:21] <TuxOtaku> sweet
[15:21] <Jucato_> (but why would you want to use compiz.. kwin is sooo sweet :P)
[15:21] <TuxOtaku> did they fix the problem with the desktop cube?
[15:22] <fernando> hi, my volumen keys of my keyboard doesn't work.. I can only achieve between 0 and 11% of volumen..
[15:22] <TuxOtaku> RC2 really didn't do it justice
[15:22] <fernando> how can I fix this problem??
[15:22] <fernando> I am using kubuntu 7.10
[15:23] <Daisuke_Ido> that's not 11%, that's 11.  you have spinal tap's volume control!
[15:23] <NielsE> noob:I accidentally removed all my programs in my taskbar.., now my programs are gone when I minimize them, howo can I turn it back?
[15:23] <Daisuke_Ido> NielsE: right-click that bottom panel and "add applet", and re-add the taskbar
[15:24] <NielsE> rightclick doesnt do anything
[15:24] <Daisuke_Ido> are you using kde 3 or 4?
[15:24] <NielsE> me? sorry, 4
[15:24] <Daisuke_Ido> ah.
[15:24] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm...  good luck with that
[15:25] <NielsE> haha, thanks :D
[15:25] <Daisuke_Ido> actually, i think if you right-click the *desktop* you can get to the applet configuration
[15:25] <CrashTest_> Hi all.  I am running 7.10, and Update manager told me that it was time to run updates.  This caused KDM to try to upgrade, it errored out, now I can't upgrade KDM.  The error is:
[15:25] <CrashTest_> dpkg: error processing kdm (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1.  I have tried apt-get -f install, apt-get clean, apt-get autoclean && apt-get install --reinstall kdm, no luck
[15:25] <nareshov> Hey, I installed KDE 4 from the ppa and when I to log in all I get is an xterm and the top-left corner :|
[15:26] <NielsE> Daisuke_Ido: I can add a taskbar widget to my desktop, but its a black block and it just sits there doing nothing, and it seems I cant drag it to my bar
[15:26] <genii> CrashTest_: sudo apt-get remove --purge kdm; sudo apt-get install kdm
[15:27] <genii> If loathe to remove, try perhaps sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[15:27] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[15:27] <MurielGodoi> I am trying to figure out, how can I set the size of taskbar? That is huge for me :/
[15:27] <Daisuke_Ido> MurielGodoi: kde 4?
[15:27] <CrashTest_> genii: Will that cause it to un-install all of the things that are dependant?
[15:27] <MurielGodoi> yep
[15:28] <Daisuke_Ido> out of my league then :\  i've played with it for a whole 20 minutes and put it away until 4.1
[15:28] <genii> CrashTest_: It will remove the conf files, etc. So would say yes
[15:28] <NielsE> Daisuke_ido: got it, just drag the "task manager" thingy in the menu to the bar
[15:28] <nareshov> Can someone help me, I'm not getting the KDE4 desktop, all I'm getting is an xterm at the top-left corner.
[15:28] <Daisuke_Ido> nice
[15:29] <CrashTest_> well, dpkg-reconfigure kdm didn't work genii
[15:29] <CrashTest_> so I may have to purge?
[15:29] <genii> CrashTest_: Were you using previously gdm?
[15:29] <CrashTest_> Yes
[15:29] <genii> CrashTest_: Then do: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm                  and then choose kdm as the default login manager
[15:30] <CrashTest_> ok
[15:30] <CrashTest_> ah that worked, now it installed correctly genii
[15:30] <genii> CrashTest_: Good
[15:31] <CrashTest_> Ok, I am off, thanks for your help genii
[15:31] <genii> CrashTest_: Have a good one, and welcome
[15:31] <Jay-Oh-En> genii: he got the heck out of here
[15:34] <WinstonSmith> Does anybody know where the volume control is?
[15:35] <_Angelus_> not me
[15:35] <jpatrick> WinstonSmith: kmix?
[15:35] <WinstonSmith> in KDE 4
[15:35] <kumamoto> secret = alsactrl
[15:35]  * kumamoto 2cents
[15:35] <jpatrick> alsamixer I think
[15:36] <kumamoto> ah
[15:37] <kumamoto> is it me or does the 64bit version of kubuntu doesn't have support for adobe flashplayer
[15:37] <hydrogen> WinstonSmith: kmix is still there
[15:37] <kumamoto> or is it the other way round
[15:37] <jpatrick> WinstonSmith: apt-get install kmix-kde4
[15:38] <khaur> kumamoto: there's no 64bit version of flash. but i think there's a way to get flash going on 64bit kubuntu anyway
[15:40] <_Angelus_> yes
[15:40] <WinstonSmith> jpatrick: thank you, I can finally turn the volume down
[15:40] <dr-house> hello.
[15:40] <_Angelus_> using nspluginwrapper
[15:40] <_Angelus_> makes flash works on 32bit
[15:40] <_Angelus_> xD
[15:40] <dr-house> can you tell me the command to install kde 4 ?
[15:40] <_Angelus_> command?
[15:40] <hydrogen> see the topic
[15:40] <jpatrick> WinstonSmith: you are welcome :)
[15:40] <_Angelus_> go to kubuntu.org and read the announcment?
[15:40] <jpatrick> !kde4 > dr-house
[15:42] <davf> Is there a control panel for kde4 taskbar?
[15:42] <hydrogen> no
[15:43] <WinstonSmith> I found 'panels' in lost and found, it didn't help me
[15:43] <davf> How do you change the size?
[15:43] <khelll> how to get the mac address ?
[15:44] <hydrogen> davf: you don't
[15:44] <davf> Also how to you change the font on clock?
[15:44] <davf> aye?
[15:44] <davf> but it's huge!
[15:44] <hydrogen> right click on the clock
[15:44] <hydrogen> and choose settings
[15:44] <davf> no font size though
[15:44] <davf> only font type
[15:44] <rebecca_> hey peoples, i followed the instructions for the restricted media setup but playing virtually any AVI file, while functional, is disgustingly colour saturated and contrasty. can anyone suggest how the codecs are fixed?
[15:45] <WinstonSmith> I can change typeface and bold on the clock only
[15:46] <WinstonSmith> If you show the date, it makes the time smaller :)
[15:46] <davf> WinstonSmith - that's better.
[15:46] <phobos> elo
[15:46] <phobos> esesmanice
[15:46] <doktoreas> hello
[15:46] <doktoreas> is printing working in kde4?
[15:46] <davf> but the taskbar is too big
[15:46] <phobos> what your name
[15:47] <phobos> ?
[15:47] <WinstonSmith> davf: I usually use auto hide, but I can't find it :(
[15:47] <hydrogen> davf: allthough it's called kde4.0.0... one can still considder it much unfinished software
[15:47] <rebecca_> i have installed "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras" and vlc + xine + mplayer and they all produce the same colour saturated video output
[15:48] <rebecca_> im running gutsy
[15:48] <poker> Witam, zna  ktos jakis polski dobry kanal:D?
[15:48] <WinstonSmith> It's like a car without any wheels
[15:49] <genii> !pl | poker
[15:49] <ubotu> poker: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[15:49] <WinstonSmith> How do I go back back to KDE 3?
[15:49] <jpatrick> WinstonSmith: start it in KDM?
[15:49] <doktoreas> wich is the pdf viewer in kde4?
[15:50] <hydrogen> okular
[15:50] <doktoreas> thx
[15:50] <doktoreas> now just waiting for amarok :(
[15:50] <hydrogen> will be a long wait
[15:51] <doktoreas> there are svn package around?
[15:51] <jpatrick> doktoreas: no, it doesn't build
[15:51] <hydrogen> i hope not
[15:52] <jpatrick> and not planned for release soon from what I've heard
[15:52] <hydrogen> probably around kde4.1
[15:52] <hydrogen> definatly after qt4.4 is released
[15:52] <WinstonSmith> Thanks for the help, but I'm going back to KDE3
[15:53] <WinstonSmith> I'll try it again when 4.1 is released
[15:53] <WinstonSmith> tcya
[15:53] <WinstonSmith> dya
[15:55] <WinstonSmith> that was painless, I logged out of KDE4 and logged in as KDE3
[15:56] <WinstonSmith> and all my icons where back in place, volume control, quick launchers etc
[15:56] <jpatrick> WinstonSmith: we made it that way (install side-by-side)
[15:57] <doktoreas> now i miss an irc client
[15:57] <doktoreas> i'll go for chatzilla
[15:57] <pestilence> could somebody explain what this means:  To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1 then  and run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the Xerphyr xterm.
[15:58] <pestilence> in the instructions for running KDE 4
[15:58] <jpatrick> doktoreas: irssi?
[15:58] <pestilence> is installing xephyr required, or optional if you want to try kde 4?
[15:58] <jpatrick> pestilence: do that in the konsole :)
[15:58] <jpatrick> no
[15:58] <hydrogen> pestilence: optional
[15:58] <jpatrick> pestilence: you can choose it from KDM
[15:58] <pestilence> ahh.  so this is if you want to run kde4 on top of kde 3?
[15:59] <jpatrick> yes
[15:59] <pestilence> (my computer is still installing kde4-core)
[15:59] <pestilence> jpatrick, hydrogen: thanks
[16:00] <pestilence> am i instantly going to revert to kde 3, or will i like kde 4? :-D
[16:00] <jpatrick> depends on you
[16:00] <pestilence> guess i'm gonna find out now, it just finished installing
[16:00] <pestilence> brb.
[16:00] <firecrotch>  pestilence: Good luck :)
[16:01] <aceta> i want to install kde4-core too, but adept tells me it's broken and won't install it
[16:01] <aceta> what do i have to do?
[16:02] <pestilence> arrgh, it doesn't grandfather your settings :-D
[16:02] <jpatrick> aceta: backports? some last packages may still/mirrors updating
[16:03] <Lynoure> hmm, I installed KDE4, now it seem the Kate that starts by default is the one for kde4, why did that happen?
[16:03] <Lynoure> even when I'm in the old kde, I mean.
[16:03] <jpatrick> Lynoure: have you installed kate-kde4?
[16:04] <aceta> you mean whether the backports repository is activated in sources.list?
[16:04] <jpatrick> pestilence: it's been patched to use ~/.kde4
[16:04] <jpatrick> aceta: no
[16:04] <Lynoure> jpatrick: I just followed the instuctions in the topic, with   sudo aptitude install kde4-core
[16:04] <rebecca__> im running gutsy, i followed the instructions for the restricted media setup but playing virtually any AVI file, while functional, is disgustingly colour saturated and contrasty. can anyone suggest how the codecs are fixed? i have installed "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras" and vlc + xine + mplayer and they all produce the same colour saturated video output.
[16:04] <pestilence> jpatrick: i suppose that's probably a good thing
[16:04] <Lynoure> jpatrick: guess aptitude pulled recommended
[16:05] <MurielGodoi> any1 got success on activate compiz in kde4?
[16:05] <Lynoure> jpatrick: But, does that mean that kde4 soft will take place of kde3 soft, if they share the same name? That would vacuum a bit...
[16:05] <sigma_1234> anyone tried kde4 here yet?
[16:05] <jpatrick> Lynoure: Kate got so advance it got moved to kdesdk-kde4
[16:05] <jpatrick> sigma_1234: most of the people, hehe
[16:06] <firecrotch> MurielGodoi:  Why would you want to run Compiz on KDE4 when KWin does compositing?
[16:06] <pestilence> how come i can't change the size of the taskbar...
[16:06] <jpatrick> firecrotch: effects fans prefer compiz
[16:06] <jpatrick> pestilence: no settings for it yet
[16:06] <firecrotch> pestilence:  hasn't been implemented yet
[16:06] <pestilence> ouch!
[16:06] <pestilence> how can they release it?
[16:07] <Lynoure> jpatrick: So, what would you recommend? Is uninstalling the new kate enough?
[16:07] <jpatrick> Lynoure: and since kdesdk-kde4 is dev stuff I don't think it comes by default
[16:07] <firecrotch> pestilence:  I'd almost say that this is similar to microsoft releasing Vista before it's completely ready
[16:07] <pestilence> seems like a pretty basic feature to leave off a release
[16:07] <sigma_1234> thats a small feature
[16:07] <MurielGodoi> firecrotch: yep... i am used to visual effects
[16:07] <hydrogen> pestilence: because it wasn't fair to hold up the rest of kde for something like that
[16:07] <pestilence> and i can't add quick launchers to the taskbar either?
[16:08] <hydrogen> the goal of kde4 was to release something that works
[16:08] <hydrogen> not something that was equivilent featurewise to kde3.5
[16:08] <hydrogen> if you omgneed such features, continue to use 3.5
[16:08] <ubuntu__> stdin theres no packings manager that works with the live cd on kde4
[16:08] <sigma_1234> its because plasma is the least complete component. they were more worried about the other ones
[16:08] <jpatrick> ubuntu__: aptitide apt?
[16:09]  * jpatrick ducks
[16:09] <sigma_1234> i would assume that kpackage would work
[16:09] <Lynoure> jpatrick: honestly: Package kdesdk-kde4 is not installed, so not removed
[16:10] <sigma_1234> a bit old but does the job none the less
[16:10] <jpatrick> Lynoure: yes, I hope so ;) not everyone wants dev stuff
[16:10] <jpatrick> Lynoure: but have you done apt-get install kate-kde4?
[16:10] <sigma_1234> amarok 2 isnt in kde4 yet hey?
[16:10] <jpatrick> sigma_1234: no
[16:11] <jpatrick> sigma_1234: someone asked that before you came in
[16:11] <Lynoure> jpatrick: no, just did the command I told you. apt-get remove kate-kde4  claims it could not be found (maybe because I commented out PPA after that one command)
[16:11] <firecrotch> Is it just me, or does KDE4 seem a little... OSX-ish?
[16:11] <jpatrick> Lynoure: yeah, probably still building in backports buildds
[16:12] <sigma_1234> does kontact have a kde4 version or did they just put the kde3 one in?
[16:12] <jpatrick> firecrotch: first window-ish now osx-ish, what next
[16:12] <Lynoure> jpatrick: oops, not kate, kwrite, it seems
[16:12] <hydrogen> sigma_1234: kdepim is not being released until kde4.1
[16:12] <jpatrick> sigma_1234: kdepimlibs is not yet ready
[16:12] <hydrogen> kdepimlibs is ready
[16:12] <hydrogen> kdepim isn't
[16:12] <firecrotch> jpatrick: gnome-ish?
[16:12] <hydrogen> tut tut
[16:12] <Lynoure> jpatrick: but same problem, it seems to be default for my kde 3.5.8 now
[16:12] <rebecca_> anyone?
[16:13] <jpatrick> Lynoure: aha... odd
[16:13] <sigma_1234> so i can't use any kontact with kde4?
[16:13] <jpatrick> sigma_1234: it will run in KDE4
[16:13] <wesley> the kde4 live cd does not have have a working packing manager
[16:13] <sigma_1234> you mean the old one will?
[16:13] <Lynoure> jpatrick: scary, even :/
[16:13] <jpatrick> yes
[16:14] <jpatrick> sigma_1234: ^
[16:14] <sigma_1234> wesley: use kpackage
[16:14] <jpatrick> wesley: aptitude/apt
[16:14] <aceta> did someone try kde4 on amd64?
[16:14] <wesley> kpackage needs smarts
[16:14] <sigma_1234> smarts?
[16:15] <wesley> smart yeah
[16:15] <sigma_1234> i didnt know it had dependencies
[16:15] <wesley> i got a new plan use kde3 and only let the kde3 apps there that i need
[16:15] <Jeroi> hello, will hardy heron update gutsty gibbons kde3 to kde4 and remember all the default user inputed decicions?
[16:16] <sigma_1234> that new kmenu looks rely cool. i like the animations
[16:16] <dan__> jh
[16:16] <Jeroi> hmm what is the best way to try kde4 out?
[16:16] <Jeroi> and keep kde3 still there?
[16:16] <wesley> live cd
[16:17] <sigma_1234> live cd
[16:17] <combinio> hello, do u know maybe how to connect computer to the router ?? :}
[16:17] <combinio> i want to share the signal (Internet) with friend
[16:17] <sigma_1234> plug the network cable in!
[16:17] <wesley> but if you want to use it to its full potentions with codecs and all i should install it next your kde3
[16:18] <sigma_1234> or install it on a new partition
[16:19] <wesley> you can install it but it still thinks after it it is a live cd
[16:19] <combinio> !router
[16:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about router - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:19] <sigma_1234> what you mean it still thinks its a router?
[16:20] <sigma_1234> a live cd i mean
[16:20] <mjwild> can not get SD card to work on kubuntu Dell x300 laptop
[16:21] <jpatrick> !sound | mjwild
[16:21] <ubotu> mjwild: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[16:21] <sigma_1234> internal or external reader?
[16:21] <sandeep> hey everyone
[16:21] <sandeep> Sorry for being a newbie but
[16:22] <sandeep> If i run the automatic updates for today
[16:22] <sandeep> will I update to kde4 aswell?
[16:22] <sandeep> I see alot of kde apps being updated
[16:22] <jpatrick> sandeep: no
[16:22] <sandeep> oh
[16:22] <sandeep> I guess then I have to do an apt-get for it right?
[16:22] <mjwild> internal reader
[16:23] <jpatrick> sandeep: can you pastebin what apt-get upgrade gives?
[16:23] <sandeep> ?
[16:23] <jpatrick> !paste | sandeep
[16:23] <ubotu> sandeep: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[16:23] <sandeep> oh when i try usint apt get
[16:23] <sandeep> it just says
[16:23] <sigma_1234> if it did there would be rather large problems
[16:23] <sandeep> kde4-core in an invalid command
[16:23] <sandeep> my command is
[16:24] <sandeep> sudo apt-get kde4-core
[16:24] <sandeep> and it doesnt go through
[16:24] <jpatrick> sandeep: sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:24] <jpatrick> sandeep: the correct commando is sudo apt-get install kde4-core
[16:24] <sandeep> yea i did that after
[16:24] <khaur> sandeep: you're missing "install" in there
[16:24] <sigma_1234> sudo apt-get install kde4-core
[16:24] <sandeep> ohhhhhhhhhh
[16:24] <sandeep> my mistake
[16:24] <sandeep> sorry
[16:25] <sandeep> lets give it a shot now
[16:25] <sandeep> ok
[16:25] <firecrotch> Man, cdimages.ubuntu.com must be getting hit HARD today :(
[16:25] <Jeroi> I always wonder why there is needed "install", in my opinion atp-install or apt-get would be fine enough
[16:25] <sigma_1234> mjwild: the internal reader is probably not supported
[16:26] <sandeep> the packets arent verified yet?
[16:26] <Jeroi> *apt
[16:26] <sandeep> packages*
[16:26] <jpatrick> sandeep: they aren't in backports
[16:26] <sandeep> ok i see
[16:26] <sandeep> thanks alot guys!
[16:26] <firecrotch> Jeroi:  You could always set up an alias in your .bashrc
[16:26] <Jeroi> hmm
[16:26] <Jeroi> ok
[16:26] <Jeroi> thanks
[16:27] <Jeroi> how to do that?
[16:27] <nuxil> how do i get tv-out "svideo" to work on a gf8800 card ? i cant get this crap to work. :(
[16:27] <Jeroi> typed sudo nano .bashrc
[16:27] <Jeroi> but it is empty file
[16:27] <combinio> how to install BIN file ?
[16:28] <combinio> how to install *.bin ?
[16:28] <firecrotch> Jeroi: Are you in your home directory?
[16:28] <combinio> !bin
[16:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:28] <Jeroi> yes
[16:29] <Jeroi> combinio try /msg ubotu factoid
[16:29] <Jeroi> then you get answer to pm
[16:29] <Jeroi> and you are not flooding the channel
[16:29] <hydrogen> combinio: you should be able to just run it
[16:29] <hydrogen> if its executable
[16:29] <LjL> combinio: extensions don't really mean anything, so we need to know what kind of file it is, and you can find that out by typing « file filename.bin ». however, i can bet it's an executable, so you can make it executable if needed (chmod +x filename) and then run it with « ./filename » -- however, what is it? it's generally unwise to install stuff like that.
[16:30] <Jeroi> isint .bin image?
[16:30] <Jeroi> you need .cue and .bin image mounter
[16:30] <nuxil> lol
[16:30] <Jeroi> cdemu does that
[16:30] <nuxil> bin is a binary file..
[16:30] <Jeroi> you can mount with it bin images
[16:30] <Jeroi> ah
[16:30] <combinio> LjL: oka, thanks
[16:31] <firecrotch> Jeroi: extensions are meaningless anyways :)
[16:31] <LjL> nuxil, Jeroi: it depends, it can be both things. that's why i said the extension doesn't really mean anything and one should use "file" to find out.
[16:31] <Jeroi> hmm how do I make aliases?
[16:31] <Jeroi> for bash?
[16:31] <LjL> Jeroi: "help alias". edit ~/.bashrc to make them permanent
[16:31] <hydrogen> the type of file probably highly depends where you got it
[16:32] <firecrotch> Jeroi: alias apt-install='sudo apt-get install'    for what you want to do :)
[16:32] <hydrogen> if you downloaded it from a website providing linux software, its likely an executable.. if you downloaded it from a more.. legally questioanable place, its likely an image
[16:32] <kexik> hello. Is it possible to install KDE 4 final on Kubuntu Gutsy?
[16:32] <jpatrick> kexik: yes
[16:32] <jpatrick> !kde4 > kexik
[16:33]  * hydrogen wonders why people refuse to read the topic
[16:33] <nuxil> KDE4 final ? is kde4 finished ?
[16:33] <sandeep> yea
[16:33] <sandeep> nuxil
[16:33] <euther> I've installed standard ubuntu hardy alpha-3; will apt-get install kubuntu-desktop give me kde4 ?
[16:33] <nuxil> :D
[16:33] <sandeep> its final
[16:33] <hydrogen> no
[16:33] <sandeep> i know :D
[16:33] <hydrogen> its not finished
[16:33] <hydrogen> its released
[16:33] <sandeep> wattttttttt?
[16:33] <sandeep> really?
[16:33] <jpatrick> euther: no
[16:33] <hydrogen> it's no where near finished
[16:33] <Lynoure> jpatrick: hmm, it seems kwrite4 is only default if I click a .txt file from konqueror, if I type kwrite I still get the right version
[16:33] <kexik> ok, but I added "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main" but what next I must to do
[16:33] <sandeep> oh >>;;
[16:33] <jpatrick> kexik,euther: install kdebase-workpace-dev
[16:33]  * nuxil confused
[16:34] <nuxil> fianl beta :P
[16:34] <kexik> kdebase-workpace-dev ? Isn't it dev version?
[16:34] <firecrotch> nuxil:  not really
[16:34] <jpatrick> nuxil: KDE 4.0.0 has been relase
[16:34] <jpatrick> kexik: no, it's the base kde4 install
[16:34] <kexik> ok, thanks
[16:35] <Jeroi> alias install='sudo apt-get install'
[16:35] <Jeroi> do not work
[16:35] <nuxil> jpatrick, i bet its buggy.
[16:35] <jpatrick> nuxil: yes, of course
[16:35] <firecrotch> nuxil:  KDE4 is buggy, yes.
[16:35] <Jeroi> command not found
[16:36] <euther> jpatrick: you mean "kde-workspace-dev" ?
[16:36] <se7en_> Jeroi: restart your console and it will
[16:36] <jpatrick> euther: no
[16:36] <wastedfluid> To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1 then  and run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the Xerphyr xterm. <-- what exactly does this mean?  can i just re-start after I install the core and select kde4?
[16:36] <jpatrick> wastedfluid: no, that's if you want to run KDE4 inside a  KDE3 session
[16:37] <Jeroi> vau, I made install behave like apt-get install
[16:37] <dhq> !kde4
[16:37] <Jeroi> heh
[16:37] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/
[16:37] <Jeroi> thanks
[16:41] <wesley> i see kdm is updated
[16:42] <DreadKnight> wesley: you mean kdm-kde4 ? looks very odd on my system... "welcome to debian..."
[16:43] <firecrotch> Hahahahaha guess someone forgot to do a find/replace somewhere :)
[16:43] <DreadKnight> how come when i try to launch addept and i'm asked for the root password... it say it's incorect under kde4 :| ?
[16:44] <firecrotch> DreadKnight:  It's a bug in kdesudo
[16:44] <genii> Use your own password
[16:44] <DreadKnight> genii: i'm using my own xD
[16:44] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I noticed that,you have to enter the ROOT password
[16:44] <DreadKnight> and the fonts of some applications, including konversation is damn small
[16:44] <firecrotch> kdesudo is currently operating where it uses su as the backend instead of sudo
[16:44] <genii> DreadKnight: Ah, OK, misunderstood
[16:45] <genii> firecrotch: Hmm. That doesn't seem ...nice
[16:45] <DreadKnight> nosrednaekim: ??? no root account.. using my pass
[16:45] <firecrotch> genii: no it isn't
[16:45] <podr0znik> Hello all :)
[16:45] <wesley> works the kde4 meta pack already
[16:45] <nosrednaekim> DreadKnight: yeah.... I think you have to manually say "kdesudo <app>" otherwise it uses the kde4 kdesu.
[16:46] <DreadKnight> nosrednaekim: will try that :)
[16:48] <kingrayray> in kopete, I like to turn off all the toolbars in IM windows, but the next time i open kopete they come back.. any way to make it a permanent change? :/
[16:48] <DreadKnight> what's the "name" for the addept manager?
[16:48] <dewd> Has someone already tried kde 4.0 ?
[16:48] <nosrednaekim> adept_manager
[16:48] <nosrednaekim> dewd: tons:)
[16:48] <DreadKnight> oh with_ xD thanks
[16:49] <gsuveg> re
[16:49] <dewd> nosrednaekim: Are u happy with it ?
[16:49] <nosrednaekim> DreadKnight: you could always try using tab
[16:49] <nosrednaekim> dewd: i've been using it for a month
[16:49] <DreadKnight> dewd: join #kde4-launch-party to see the fanatics xD
[16:49] <nosrednaekim> DreadKnight: thats empty
[16:49] <dewd> nosrednaekim: I just started it but it looks butt ugly to me, the plasma thing can this be disbled ?
[16:50] <nosrednaekim> dewd: don't like the panel?
[16:50] <kexik> I always get 3.64 and similar package versions. Isn't it prerelease of KDE 4? Isn't it because of czech language?
[16:50] <DreadKnight> #kde4-release-party sorry :D
[16:50] <dewd> can't seem to get an standard start menu in there too .. I same a demo where you could drag clock to bar and to desktop and back
[16:51] <dewd> but doesn't seem to work, i hate the new menu but rightmouse on the panel does not reveal the usual "add this and that"
[16:51] <nosrednaekim> dewd: yeah, the panel is very lacking.
[16:51] <DreadKnight> dewd: i had mine lost... had to delete something from the .kde4 folder
[16:51] <dewd> I can add it as an plasmoid thingy to the desktop and cannot drag it to the panel
[16:51] <dewd> the apps look quite ok though
[16:52] <nosrednaekim> dewd: you have to drag directly from the plasma selector to the panel
[16:52] <dewd> but the menu and the plasmoid icons are just plain crap
[16:52] <DreadKnight> nosrednaekim: where did you mean I can press the Tab key for autocompletion or something? :D
[16:52] <dewd> ahh
[16:52] <dewd> I'll try that
[16:52] <Kazz> why do i get Buffer I/0 Error on device hda, logical block 0
[16:52] <Kazz> when i try to install kubuntu
[16:52] <nosrednaekim> DreadKnight: on the terminal, type in "adept" and then hit tab a couple times
[16:52] <dewd> Kazz: time to buy a new disk I think
[16:53] <Kazz> well its newly burned :P
[16:53] <DreadKnight> nosrednaekim: oh, I've learned something new thanks :D
[16:54] <DreadKnight> always missed some auto-completion
[16:55] <_Shade_> is there any irc channel that allows to ask some questions about KUBUNTU development version? the one i know is ubuntu+1 but it's more general
[16:55] <euther> "gcc-3.3" from the kde4 ppa ?
[16:55] <nosrednaekim> _Shade_: ubuntu+1 is the right place
[16:56] <_Shade_> nosrednaekim: might be but it's not so active :)
[16:56] <DreadKnight> _Shade_: #kubuntu-devel
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> _Shade_: if they are possible kde bugs, ask in #kubuntu-devel
[16:57] <markc> how do I get rid of kickoff in kde4 and get the simple K menu ?
[16:58] <podr0znik> does anybody know how to switch off this adept-updater?
[16:58] <dewd> nosrednaekim: k that works (still not easy to get the placement right)
[16:58] <podr0znik> it's giving me updates every day
[16:58] <podr0znik> a bit too much I think
[16:58] <nosrednaekim> podr0znik: right click on it, quit, and tell it not to start at startup
[16:58] <dewd> Dunno what's all that cool about this I like nice tech improvements but lot's of stuff appears quite crappy
[16:59] <wastedfluid> hey, uh, stupid question.. I removed the clock to replace it with an analong clock in kde4.  how do i get plasma to put the clock back in the tray?  dragging it there puts it out of screen range.
[16:59] <_Shade_> well i just wanted to ask about the possibility of implementing something further than kde4.0 in hardy final. I think that it's good signing but very incomplete as well and it would leave users well behind
[16:59] <serzholino> markc: there is plasmoid like classic kde menu
[16:59] <podr0znik> nosrednaekim: too easy to ask actually :) thanks :)
[16:59] <wers> everytime I log in kde 4, after the splash screen, I go back to gdm
[16:59] <wers> the desktop does not load
[16:59] <wers> any idea?
[16:59] <firecrotch> wastedfluid: drag it directly from the Add Widget window
[16:59] <nosrednaekim> wers: try doing this "touch .kde4/share/config/startupconfig"
[17:00] <wastedfluid> ah, thanks friend.
[17:00] <firecrotch> wastedfluid: no problem;  took me a while to figure that one out lol
[17:00] <markc> serzholino, got it, thanks... how to get it onto the panel and get rid of kickoff ?
[17:01] <wers> nosrednaekim, i ran it already
[17:01] <wastedfluid> how about a quick launcher widget?  i can't seem to find it in the default list
[17:01] <wers> i try loggin in kde  4 again?
[17:01] <nosrednaekim> wers: yes
[17:01] <firecrotch> wastedfluid: Icon widget :)
[17:01] <wers> thanks. will try it
[17:01] <serzholino> markc: [18:58:58] <firecrotch> wastedfluid: drag it directly from the Add Widget window
[17:02] <wastedfluid> wow.. i wish there was an easier way of doing this.
[17:03] <wastedfluid> I usually have 10-15 icons for a quick launcher
[17:03] <firecrotch> wastedfluid:  Yeah, a lot of the stuff could be a lot easier.  That'll all happen in time though
[17:04] <wastedfluid> ksmoothdock it is
[17:04] <markc> serzholino, great thanks again, it's not of the far left but it will do until the "kicker" is configurable
[17:04] <atigo> hello
[17:04] <firecrotch> wastedfluid:  Have you tried AWN?
[17:05] <wastedfluid> Not yet.  I'll take a look.
[17:05] <atigo> I have a strange problem with KDE4, can anyone help me?
[17:05] <wastedfluid> Okay; here's a good one.  What's the new program that controls laptop process speed at now?
[17:05] <firecrotch> I've always had problems with ksmoothdock
[17:06] <firecrotch> and that is a good question, I haven't looked into that yet
[17:07] <wastedfluid> lol, yeah, my laptop is running out blazing guns.. 100% processor, and i never run it at that much
[17:07] <firecrotch> that would explain why my laptop is so warm lol :)
[17:07] <wastedfluid> lol.. maybe so, but mine is definitely heating up.
[17:08] <firecrotch> If there isn't a kde4 version, I would assume that the kde3 version would work stil
[17:08] <firecrotch> I just don't know the actual name of it
[17:08] <stdin> "guidance-power-manager"
[17:08] <wers> nosrednaekim, still can't log in
[17:08] <firecrotch> ah, thanks stdin
[17:08] <wastedfluid> whew.. there we go
[17:08] <firecrotch> shouldnt you be sleeping or something ?
[17:08] <wastedfluid> now to add all of this stuff to autostart.
[17:09] <bsm> hi, anyone recognized kopete-kde4 eating up 10PU all the time?
[17:09] <stdin> firecrotch: I should, but I'm not :)
[17:09] <bsm> even 10PU
[17:09] <bsm> 10 percent CPU
[17:10] <firecrotch> stdin:  Same here, I'm having too much fun playing with kde4 and partying in #kde4-release-party :-D
[17:10] <stdin> I spent the last few hours *away* from my PC, was great :p
[17:10] <wesley> lol we have all fun playing with kde4
[17:10] <atigo> When kubuntu runs Xterm, not KDE, I have to start it manually form Xterm, anyone know what should I change?
[17:11] <stdin> make sure you're choosing the right session from the KMenu
[17:11] <stdin> erm, KDM menu...
[17:11] <atigo> I'm sure
[17:11] <firecrotch> stdin:  well, while you're back.... I hear that the Debian guys say that it's "impossible" to install KDE4 alongside KDE3
[17:11]  * stdin should probably sleep to regain mental control
[17:12] <arrrghhh> hey all, is kde4 going to be in the repos?
[17:12] <bsm> its in
[17:12] <arrrghhh> or do i have to follow the advice on kubuntu.org about removing etc
[17:12] <firecrotch> arrrghhh:  it's being put into gutsy-backports right now
[17:12] <stdin> firecrotch: maybe with the way debian packages it, but not the way we do
[17:12] <arrrghhh> ok
[17:12] <stdin> arrrghhh: both, it's filtering into -bakports now
[17:12] <atigo> so? :>
[17:12] <arrrghhh> hrm
[17:12] <arrrghhh> adept just pulled a boatload of updates
[17:13] <wastedfluid> is .kde4/share/autostart still the go to?
[17:13] <wers> I can't log in kde4 :( whenever I try to do so, after the splash screen, GDM comes out again
[17:13] <firecrotch> stdin: do you know if the debian way is much different than the kubuntu way?
[17:13] <DreadKnight> arrrghhh: that removing stuff actually removed important kde3 stuff from me...
[17:13] <arrrghhh> great
[17:13] <arrrghhh> so what's the *best* way to update to kde4?
[17:13] <arrrghhh> i really want to see/use it...
[17:14] <stdin> firecrotch: I don't think they have a separate install path for kde4, so it get's installed to /usr not /usr/lib/kde4
[17:14] <DreadKnight> arrrghhh: i think adding the ppa and "sudo apt-get install kde4"
[17:14] <DreadKnight> ;)
[17:15] <firecrotch> stdin: Alright, thanks :)
[17:16] <firecrotch> Someone please tell me that I'm not the only one who is getting crappy d/l speeds from cdimages.ubuntu.com
[17:16] <stdin> arrrghhh: try "kde4-core" before "kde4", just in case
[17:16] <arrrghhh> yea that's what kubuntu.org suggest
[17:16] <arrrghhh> i've already added the deb to sources.list
[17:16] <DreadKnight> arrrghhh: it worked for me the both ways :)
[17:17] <wastedfluid> firecrotch: how about autostarting?
[17:17] <stdin> if "kde4" breaks, you'll have a lot more dependencies to sort
[17:17] <arrrghhh> ok
[17:17] <Prateek> Hello everybody....my Kubuntu is not mounting NTFS HELP
[17:17] <arrrghhh> Prateek: do you have ntfs-3g installed?
[17:17] <Prateek> wots dat?
[17:17]  * stdin points wastedfluid to ~/.kde4/Autostart/
[17:17] <wastedfluid> K
[17:17] <wastedfluid> I figured, but wasn't sure.
[17:17] <Prateek> ma kubuntu is 7.10!
[17:17] <emilsedgh> stdin: so what are the common problems in kde4 ? :P
[17:17] <firecrotch> wastedfluid:  a symlink in ~/.kde4/autostart should do the trick
[17:17] <wastedfluid> I read an article about a "KAutostart"
[17:17] <kdean06> The alpha 3 announcement mentioned having "two CDs" one wiht 3.5 and another wiht 4.0 - I'm interested in using the 4.0 based Kubuntu alpha image, but I'm not sure which one is the 3.5 and the 4.0, can someone please point me in the direction of the image I want?
[17:17] <wastedfluid> so I wasn't exactly sure.
[17:17] <arrrghhh> Prateek: google is your friend, it's in the repos
[17:17] <arrrghhh> !ntfs
[17:17] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[17:18] <stdin> emilsedgh: it's the 1st release, there's bound to be a few
[17:18] <arrrghhh> Prateek: go look there
[17:18] <wastedfluid> firecrotch: I'm testing AWN now. :-)
[17:18] <stdin> kdean06: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/ :)
[17:18] <emilsedgh> right
[17:19] <stdin> Prateek: how have you tried ?
[17:19] <Longfield> hello. I have just installed KDE4 on gutsy, everything runs fine ... however I cannot see any kwin4 effects. Does it need xgl ?
[17:19] <stdin> (keep support questions in here please)
[17:19] <kristjan_> how do you move pager to panel in kde 4?
[17:19] <Prateek> well...i m a LIVE user..n use windows xp sp2
[17:19] <kristjan_> Longfield: did you enable it in system settings?
[17:19] <stdin> Longfield: look in system settings -> desktop
[17:19] <stdin> !ntfs | Prateek, see this
[17:19] <Prateek> ubuntu shows read write access too....but kubuntu doesnt!
[17:20] <wastedfluid> bah.  i love kde4 already.. the eye candy is something else.  definitely great work.
[17:20]  * stdin waits for ubotu
[17:20] <Prateek> wot!
[17:20] <ubotu> Prateek, see this: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[17:20] <dani_l> kristjan_: should be there by default. but if you need to add one to the panel, drag it from the add applets dialog to the panel
[17:20] <Longfield> here is what I get when I run kwin-kde4
[17:20] <stdin> don't, if you run kde4 then it's already running
[17:21] <kristjan_> dani_l: I find counter-intuitive
[17:21] <Longfield> yep, they are enabled, that's why I don't understand
[17:21] <vertigo_> hi!
[17:21] <stdin> Longfield: try logging out and back in, to make kwin reload it's settings
[17:21] <Longfield> stdin: already tried 2-3 times
[17:22] <kristjan_> dani_l: it works, but I was expecting other behaviour :-)
[17:22] <stdin> Longfield: what graphics card?
[17:22] <kristjan_> Longfield: can you run compiz without problems?
[17:22] <Longfield> nvidia 7600 GS with nvidia binary driver
[17:22] <kdean06> stdin, That's the Gutsy image for x86. I'm interested in the Hardy Alpha 3 image running KDE4 on x86_64 but the release announcement isn't clear on where to find that and doesn't distinguish which ISO I would be downloading.
[17:22] <dani_l> kristjan_: understandable. ;) i think it will be better in 4.1
[17:23] <stdin> kdean06: there is not hardy kde4 release yet
[17:23] <Longfield> well, with yesterday's KDE4 effects were ok ... :/
[17:23] <kdean06> Oh, okay, thank you. :) That wasn't clear.
[17:23] <naranha> just a quick question... i just installed the new kde4 kubuntu packages and kde (especially plasma) seems to run a bit slow (especially the plasma effects)... is there a way to make it faster (like enabling hw acceleration or sth. like that)?
[17:23] <wastedfluid> firecrotch: bah.  Must I really install all these gnome libraries for AWN?
[17:24] <stdin> wastedfluid: if apt says so, then yes
[17:24]  * wastedfluid cries
[17:24] <supert0nes> how has your experience with awn  and kde been?
[17:24] <wastedfluid> I'm about to find out for myself.
[17:24] <firecrotch> wastedfluid: I never noticed that.... probably because I have gnome installed on here :)
[17:24] <supert0nes> mine was awful and i decided to use gnome instead
[17:24] <supert0nes> awn is that good
[17:25] <wastedfluid> Well, there is crapshoot of gnome dependencies
[17:25] <firecrotch> supert0nes:  I've never had a problem with awn in KDE.  even works in kde4
[17:26] <Catalin1234> hello
[17:26] <stdin> ubotu: tell Prateek about mp3
[17:26] <Catalin1234> i installed wireshark and tried to see how it works
[17:26] <Catalin1234> after i installed it the internet stopped working
[17:27] <Catalin1234> basically i couldn't ping the router
[17:27] <Catalin1234> i uninstalled the program
[17:27] <Catalin1234> but it still doesn't work
[17:27] <Catalin1234> anybody has any idea
[17:27] <Catalin1234> and can help me.. please do so
[17:27] <stdin> wireshark has nothing to do with ping, the problem is somewhere else
[17:27] <stdin> can you ping the IP address? or google.com ?
[17:28] <Catalin1234> no
[17:28] <wastedfluid> Oh, it needs compiz.
[17:28] <Catalin1234> the only ping i receive answer from is myself (logic)
[17:28] <stdin> have you tried restarting the network?
[17:28] <stdin> wastedfluid: nope
[17:28] <Flosoft> hey
[17:28] <wastedfluid> Error: Screen isn't composited. Please run compiz (-fusion) or another compositing manager.
[17:28] <Catalin1234> i did.. i changed from dhcp to static and back
[17:28] <stdin> wastedfluid: that's lame :p
[17:28] <firecrotch> wastedfluid:  in kde3, yes
[17:28] <Catalin1234> and everytime i did it restarted it
[17:28] <Flosoft> to get KDE4 ... when will that update gutsy itself?
[17:28] <hagabaka> hmm
[17:29] <Flosoft> or the packages be in the main ubuntu repo?
[17:29] <nosrednaekim> wastedfluid: complain to the awn devs
[17:29] <wastedfluid> I'm not complaining
[17:29] <wastedfluid> I'm just removing
[17:29] <nosrednaekim> wastedfluid: kwin4 is a compositing WM
[17:29] <wastedfluid> and I'll go back to ksmoothdock
[17:29] <stdin> Flosoft: they will be in gutsy-backports/universe
[17:29] <nosrednaekim> lol
[17:29] <Flosoft> ok
[17:29] <Flosoft> I have that enabled
[17:29] <Flosoft> any ETA?
[17:29] <kawpeeka1> So if I wish to remove KDE4 entirely, how do I do that?
[17:29] <hagabaka> when I have http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu in sources.list, there are also updates for the kde3 packages. is there a way to ignore those?
[17:29] <stdin> Catalin1234: do you get an IP address, and can you connect to the net?
[17:30] <Catalin1234> yes i get the ip address
[17:30] <stdin> Flosoft: how long is a piece of string?
[17:30] <Catalin1234> (that's what i find weird)
[17:30] <kawpeeka1> stdin: Does removing kde4-core remove KDE 4?
[17:30] <stdin> kawpeeka1: not unless you use aptitude
[17:30] <wesley> !adept-fix
[17:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-fix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:30] <Catalin1234> no... i can't connect to the internet
[17:30] <wesley> !adeptfix
[17:30] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[17:30] <stdin> !aptfix | wesley
[17:30] <ubotu> wesley: please see above
[17:32] <kubuntu> Hey, i installed Ubuntu Gutsy a few days ago and yesterday i installed the "Kubuntu desktop Package", so, i have the KDE desktop and like it more than Gnome. The question is, when a new Ubuntu version arrives, what will happen when a new Ubuntu/Kubuntu version arrives, shall i upgrade both (1.5GB with a |@·|@ modem connection) or only one?
[17:32] <thewhitepelican> why is it, when I click help, some apps say I'm using kde 4.0, the others say I'm using kde 3.5.8?
[17:32] <kubuntu> I think i will have to upgrade only the system, from Ubuntu/Kubuntu Gutsy to Ubuntu/Kubuntu X, not both really?
[17:33] <shadowhywind> Kde 4 is offically released now?
[17:33] <firecrotch> shadowhywind:  that's correct
[17:33] <shadowhywind> sweet!
[17:34] <stdin> thewhitepelican: kde4 apps show the kde4 version and kde3 apps show the kde3 version
[17:34] <thewhitepelican> ohhhh
[17:34] <thewhitepelican> thanks
[17:35] <kubuntu> And when i say the system i mean the true system, not the Desktop manager, really? I mean, i think that the only difference between Ubuntu/Kubuntu is that one have GNome and the other KDE
[17:35] <thewhitepelican> I installed kde 4 yesterday before the official kde 4 came out. I went into adept and did an update and dist-upgrade. is there anything else I need to do to be offically running kde 4.0?
[17:35] <shadowhywind> is there a way to get the kde 4 programs from not getting added to kde3?
[17:35] <rec53> kubuntu: The normal methods will involve upgrading both the kde and GNOME packages.
[17:35] <rec53> I would expect that removing the gnome packages before upgrading would be the route to take if you wanted to avoid upgrading both
[17:35] <kubuntu> So, will i have to upgrade both or only one?
[17:35] <wastedfluid> wow.  ksmoothdock lost its transparency now :p
[17:35] <rec53> kubuntu: You have understood the difference correctly :)
[17:36] <NielsE> I have installed kde4 and kdm-kde4 but kdm sais now: "a critical error occurred, contact your admin"
[17:36] <stdin> thewhitepelican: just make sure you install "kde4-core" to be sure, that's it
[17:37] <rec53> kubuntu: So you'll upgrade everything on the system at the time you choose to upgrade, but you can remove most of the gnome stuff before upgradin if you wish
[17:37] <thewhitepelican> i think I did that yesterday
[17:37] <dani_l> i have a packaging problem installing 4.0.0 on gutsy/amd64: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51558/
[17:37] <rec53> A better route might be just to reinstall kubuntu cleanly on the next release, getting a pretty disk, avoiding the modem problem?
[17:38] <thewhitepelican> if thosoe were part of your instructions yesterday
[17:38] <thewhitepelican> thoswe*
[17:38] <stdin> dani_l: why are you removing those?
[17:38] <tcm> does any one know how to resize the "start menu" in kde4?
[17:38] <nosrednaekim> NielsE: it might be better to just use the kde3 kdm
[17:38] <wastedfluid> hm;  kopete doesn't blink anymore, either.
[17:39] <wastedfluid> I guess time is going to fix this.
[17:39] <stdin> tcm: you can't afaik (not yet anyway)
[17:39] <thewhitepelican> is there any way to use the "old" menu from the K buton?
[17:39] <dani_l> stdin: i'm not removing anything. i just try to install kde4-core (by following the steps on kubuntu.org)
[17:39] <kubuntu> rec53: So, tell me, how can i |@·~ kill gnome now?, i mean, uninstall it completely
[17:39] <wesley> you can install kde4 meta pack to
[17:39] <stdin> thewhitepelican: there is another launcher available yes, add it to the panned
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> !purekde
[17:39] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[17:39] <firecrotch> thewhitepelican:  there's a widget for the old style menu, just drag it to the panel from the Add Widget window
[17:40] <stdin> dani_l: it says nothing about removing packages
[17:40] <genii> stdin: Seems like a familiar problem already
[17:40] <blubb> anyone got kdm theme manager to work in kubuntu? I can choose my installed theme, but kde won't change it. Maybe that theme manager changes another kdmrc... because that from /etc does not get changed by it :(
[17:40] <stdin> some people like the new, others like the old :)
[17:40] <wesley> set backports on
[17:41] <Aranel> i installed linux-source package, but how can I find linux source ?
[17:41] <genii> Aranel: /usr/src
[17:41] <stdin> Aranel: it's in /usr/src
[17:41] <dani_l> stdin: ?
[17:41] <Dr_willis> use the package maanger to see what files it installed where.
[17:41] <Aranel> stdin: thanks for kde4 information in kubuntu.org, its very useful :)
[17:41] <stdin> !kernel | Aranel
[17:41] <ubotu> Aranel: The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[17:41] <Aranel> stdin: genii: thanks :)
[17:41] <stdin> dani_l: no need to remove anything, just update
[17:42] <kubuntu> And that means that if i unisntall Gnome my system will be like if i had installed Kubuntu cleanly?
[17:42] <kubuntu> I mean, in theory
[17:42] <stdin> as long as you have "kubuntu-desktop" installed, yeah
[17:43] <sss> hi guys.. is kubuntu-kde4.0-i386.iso a full installer? I mean if I want to go past the livecd stage and actually install? (assume I have a blank disk)
[17:43] <thewhitepelican> I seem to be having trouble docking the old style launcher into the panel
[17:44] <stdin> sss: yeah, it should install fully, although kde4 isn't quite ready to be the only install yet
[17:44] <kubuntu> stdin: Fantastic! So the next time i'll upgrade the system it will not reinstall Gnome or dowload more or any other thing right? It will only upgrade the system and that's all? And talking about is there anyway to do the upgrade with a DVD/CD of Kubuntu?
[17:44] <sss> stdin: ahh... so the apt-get method u put in the wiki page is the recommended. I see...
[17:44] <stdin> thewhitepelican: you click and drag the widget in the chooser to the panel
[17:45] <thewhitepelican> ah
[17:45] <thewhitepelican> I was confused
[17:45] <Dekans> hello all
[17:45] <thewhitepelican> it is after all a learning curve :)
[17:45] <DreadKnight> stdin: i see people stumble upon the issues and keep asking and asking, I suggest a "daily faq" wiki page
[17:45] <firecrotch> kubuntu:  You can use the Alternate CD to do an upgrade
[17:45] <stdin> kubuntu: you can upgrade with the alternate cd, but you'll still have to downloaded so it won't save much bandwidth :)
[17:45] <stdin> DreadKnight: it's a wiki, so go edit it ;)
[17:45] <Dr_willis> then theres the updates you download.
[17:46] <DreadKnight> stdin: the kubuntu wiki?
[17:46] <stdin> there's also #kde for KDE4 and KDE3 support
[17:46] <thewhitepelican> I must be doing something wrong
[17:47] <stdin> DreadKnight: wiki.kubuntu.org is the same as wiki.ubuntu.org, you do need a launchpad account though
[17:47] <thewhitepelican> I can't seem to drag the icon from the widget chooser to the panel where the k button is
[17:47] <stdin> s/ubuntu.org/ubuntu.com/
[17:47] <stdin> thewhitepelican: no, just drag it anywhere on the panel
[17:47] <DreadKnight> stdin: oh i see :)
[17:48] <thewhitepelican> it seems to go behind the panel
[17:48] <thewhitepelican> I drag it down ot where the open apps are
[17:48] <thewhitepelican> and it disappears behind the taskbar
[17:48] <kubuntu> stdin: Hey, it will make all the difference, i have a friend with wire-connection (That means up to 150 kb/s at night and the half in day) so he can dowload it and give it to me. So, supposing i decide to do it with a alternate CD, when it finish it will not cause any proble (assuming i do the upgrade correctly) right?
[17:48] <stdin> heh, that's a little odd
[17:49] <tcm> what are you guys trying to do_
[17:49] <tcm> ?
[17:49] <tcm> with the panel
[17:49] <stdin> kubuntu: you just put the alternate cd in and do "sudo apt-cdrom add" then follow the normal upgrade procedure (no need to boot into the cd, just insert it)
[17:50] <kawpeeka1> kubuntu: Do you have a mobile computer?
[17:50] <kawpeeka1> kubuntu: You could ask him to setup an apt cache and then you could pull packages directly from him.
[17:53] <sd132> ho do i verify which version of kde i am running?
[17:53] <kubuntu> kawpeeka: No, i have a desktop one
[17:53] <dani_l> stdin: i just tried to apt-get upgrade but it didn't help. i also don't understand what you mean with "removing anything", i just added the repo, tried to install the package and got the error
[17:53] <stdin> dani_l: you posted you did "darkwizzard@DarkNet:~$ sudo apt-get remove kdelibs5 kde4base-data kde4libs-data", don't
[17:53] <tcm> is it possible to add something to the panel?
[17:53] <stdin> or that wan't you?
[17:54] <stdin> tcm: some things can, some can't
[17:54] <tcm> how do I add something?
[17:54] <stdin> dani_l: post your pastebin link again, hard to tell with ~50 tabs open
[17:54] <dani_l> stdin: no, i was http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51558/ ;)
[17:54] <stdin> tcm: click + drag from the widget chooser
[17:54] <dani_l> stdin: hehe, no problem ;)
[17:55] <tcm> ok, thx
[17:55] <stdin> dani_l: post what "apt-cache policy kdebase-kde4" shows to pastebin
[17:56] <WaY> hi
[17:56] <galathalion> hi
[17:56] <WaY> what application do you use for listening to music? (apart from amarok)
[17:56] <nosrednaekim> WaY: try Juk
[17:56] <stdin> nothing beats amarok
[17:56] <gsuveg> me dont work the konsole on kde4 :(
[17:56] <dani_l> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51561/
[17:56] <stdin> it's either amarok or mplayer for me
[17:57] <nosrednaekim> +10^56 stdin
[17:57] <kubuntu> So it'll not make any difference install it with an alternate cd? Because that will be great!
[17:57] <WaY> xD
[17:57] <stdin> dani_l: hmm, ok try just installing kdebase-kde4, see what errors it gives
[17:57] <slow-motion> hi
[17:57] <sd132> wasnt  kde 4 released today?
[17:58] <stdin> kubuntu: no, it'll just use the alternate cd as a local apt repository
[17:58] <nosrednaekim> sd132: yup!
[17:58] <stdin> sd132: see the topic
[17:58] <martijn81> sd132:  yup,  see kubuntu.org
[17:58] <martijn81> or tweakers.net for the Dutch users
[17:58] <dani_l> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51562/
[17:58] <sd132> i updated but i m still at 3.5.8
[17:58] <martijn81> sd132: $ konqueror -v
[17:58] <stdin> sd132: see the topic <<
[17:58] <martijn81> or help> about
[17:58] <kubuntu> stdin: Fantastic! that's great, thanks!
[17:59] <stdin> dani_l: ok, try installing kdebase-bin-kde4 now
[17:59] <martijn81> stdin: do you know how to fix this? http://ktorrent.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12090#12090
[17:59] <Qrawl> can I ask a Kubuntu-specific KDE4 question here
[18:00] <stdin> you won't know unless you as ;)
[18:00] <nosrednaekim> Qrawl: sure
[18:00] <sd132> !ask
[18:00] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[18:00] <Qrawl> is Amarok working for anyone?
[18:00] <nosrednaekim> Qrawl: amarok 2?
[18:00] <Qrawl> in KDE4
[18:00] <Qrawl> no
[18:00] <kubuntu> So, when i finished removing GSUC.. i mean GNOME packages, how can i install compiz?
[18:00] <nosrednaekim> Qrawl: then yes, amarok 1.4.7 works here
[18:00] <stdin> martijn81: have you installed the -dev packages?
[18:01] <nosrednaekim> !compiz | kubuntu
[18:01] <ubotu> kubuntu: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[18:01] <Qrawl> nosrednaekim, in KDE4?
[18:01] <dani_l> stdin: also did "sudo apt-get install kdebase-data-kde4" after that: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51563/
[18:01] <martijn81> stdin: do you know how to fix this? http://ktorrent.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12090#12090/
[18:01] <martijn81> oops
[18:01] <martijn81> sorry
[18:01] <martijn81> the dev packages of what?
[18:01] <Qrawl> is Amarok working for anyone in a full KDE4 session?
[18:02] <stdin> martijn81: of kde4
[18:02] <martijn81> stdin: nope
[18:02] <martijn81> should i?
[18:02] <kubuntu> ok ubotu, that's great.
[18:02] <stdin> martijn81: well, you'll need them to compile kde4 apps
[18:02] <sd132> I updated this morning, and am still at kde 3.5.8, whats wrong???:/
[18:02] <nosrednaekim> !kde4 | sd132
[18:02] <ubotu> sd132: KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/
[18:02] <stdin> dani_l: ok, try installing "kde4-core" again now
[18:02] <nosrednaekim> sd132: they install side-by-side
[18:03] <BluesKaj> ubotu is the resident bot/script
[18:03] <martijn81> stdin: how is that package called? kde4-libs-dev?
[18:03] <Qrawl> is Amarok working for anyone in a full KDE4 session?
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> Qrawl: yes
[18:03] <Qrawl> wtf
[18:03] <sd132> nosrednaekim: so how do i get 4.0 to run?
[18:03] <dani_l> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51564/
[18:03] <stdin> martijn81: grabbing kde4-devel should pull everything
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> sd132: read the above link
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/
[18:03] <Qrawl> Log out and select KDE4
[18:04] <sd132> nosrednaekim: ok thanks
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> Qrawl: whats wrong with it?
[18:04] <WaY> thanks nosrednaekim for juk
[18:04] <stdin> *NOTICE: If you're trying to install KDE 4.0.0 but are getting errors like "Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed" then you need to temporarily disable the gutsy-backports repository or just wait until all the packages have made it into gutsy-backports*
[18:04] <stdin> that goes to you dani_l :)
[18:04] <Qrawl> nosrednaekim, it wont even load    http://pastebin.org/14944
[18:05] <dani_l> stdin: thx :)
[18:05] <kubuntu> In system settings >> window behavior >> window behavior there's an option wich says "Translucensy" then "Enable transulcensy", but when i make that, it doesn't do nothing or it's just i have to restart for note the changes?
[18:05]  * BluesKaj waits for kde4 to work, period. :)
[18:05] <martijn81> stdin: lemme check, loading in three minutes....
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> kubuntu: you have to restart kde
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> Qrawl: ask in #amarok
[18:07] <Qrawl> nosrednaekim, ok tf
[18:07] <Qrawl> nosrednaekim, ok ty
[18:08] <ciccioriccio> can you give an url to download kde4 ? Form link of kde.org is busy too
[18:08] <graphikeye> hello all
[18:08] <graphikeye> i have a quick question, i've googled this all over
[18:08] <graphikeye> I'm downoading kde 4.0 and i was wondering if it's necessary to remove 3.5 before installing?
[18:09] <lextul> it isnt
[18:09] <firecrotch> graphikeye:  Are you installing it from the repositories?
[18:09] <claydoh> ciccioriccio: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[18:09] <graphikeye> yea
[18:09] <ciccioriccio> you can use both
[18:09] <graphikeye> it's downloading right now
[18:09] <stdin> ciccioriccio: you could have just looked at the topic...
[18:10] <ciccioriccio> tks, now i'm probe it
[18:10] <graphikeye> awesome
[18:10] <graphikeye> coz i have no clue how to remove 3.5...
[18:10] <sd132> nosrednaekim: how do i start kde 4 after the upgrade?
[18:10] <ciccioriccio> it's the same that i've just using
[18:10] <claydoh> graphikeye: you prob don't want to yet
[18:10] <stdin> graphikeye: no, it'll install along side kde3
[18:11] <graphikeye> aaaah
[18:11] <graphikeye> ok
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> sd132: log out, and select kde4 as the session
[18:11] <graphikeye> eventually, i might want to remove 3.5, right?
[18:11] <sd132> nosrednaekim: it just has kde as a selection and not kde 4
[18:12] <nosrednaekim> sd132: you installed kde4-core?
[18:12] <ciccioriccio> to download from irc or ftp servers? Can anyone give me an address?
[18:12] <claydoh> graphikeye: yes, but right now not all the kde3 apps are ported over
[18:12] <XBehave> how do i run a command as soon as kde logs in?
[18:12] <sd132> nosrednaekim: isnt that included in the update?
[18:12] <stdin> !autostart | XBehave
[18:12] <graphikeye> ok. that makes sense. thanks
[18:12] <ubotu> XBehave: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[18:12] <december> How long before kde 4 upgrade will be available?
[18:13] <corentin> Hi everyone
[18:13] <nosrednaekim> sd132: no.... you need to add a repository and get some new packages
[18:13] <stdin> december: see the topic........
[18:13] <firecrotch> december:  I'd imagine it will be QUITE a long time
[18:13] <ciccioriccio> see you later
[18:13] <ciccioriccio> bye
[18:13] <claydoh> ciccioriccio: http://www.kde.org/mirrors/
[18:13] <sd132> nosrednaekim: which ones?
[18:13] <XBehave> thx i tried putting a script in there but it just gets opened as a text file
[18:13] <corentin> I have read that the KDE 4.0 realesed! I would like to know how can I update my version?
[18:13] <stdin> corentin: see the topic........
[18:13] <Pici> corentin: /topic
[18:14] <nosrednaekim> corentin: they install side-by-side
[18:14] <stdin> people *please* read the topic, it's not there just for fun!
[18:14] <firecrotch> Why do people not read the topic?
[18:14] <corentin> I didn't know, sorry :$
[18:14] <ciccioriccio> i'm tryed but the connection lost every 2 minutes
[18:14] <stdin> it display as soon as you join, 1st thing
[18:15] <claydoh> ciccioriccio: for any of the mirrors listed?
[18:15] <claydoh> there are quite a few
[18:15] <ciccioriccio> i'm looking your link ....
[18:17] <graphikeye> im @ a coffee shop, downloading kde4 and feeling giddy
[18:17] <claydoh> ciccioriccio: I am assuming you are looking foe the sources, as you were looking at kde.org?
[18:17] <nosrednaekim> :)
[18:17] <ciccioriccio> claydoh: yes
[18:18] <sd132> nosrednaekim: do i want to follow the instructions on the announcement page?
[18:18] <claydoh> it will be a trial and error thing, finding mirrors, often in far flung places :)
[18:18] <nosrednaekim> sd132: yes
[18:18] <sd132> ok
[18:18] <_Angelus_> somebody knows why my konqueror and opera not viewing flash on websites? only firefox can see them , im using kubuntu gutsy. help! :(
[18:18] <nosrednaekim> sd132: the kubuntu anouncement page at least
[18:18] <ciccioriccio> claydoh: now download start at ftp mirror but at 15kbps !!!!!!!
[18:19] <claydoh> _Angelus_: the newst flash does not work in konqueror
[18:19] <graphikeye> ok, my install is complete
[18:19] <graphikeye> gotta go try it out
[18:19] <sd132> nosrednaekim: the five steps beginning with( remove  previous kde 4 packages)
[18:19] <adk>  /part
[18:19] <nosrednaekim> sd132: if you had none, then don't worry about it
[18:19] <sd132> nosrednaekim: ok
[18:20] <_Angelus_> claydoh: is there a way to fix this? :S
[18:20]  * claydoh looks for the link..
[18:20] <claydoh> you have to find and install the previous version's file...
[18:20] <Qrawl> Adept doesnt like my password in KDE4
[18:21] <DreadKnight> Qrawl: same here, use konsole with "kdesudo adept_manager"
[18:21] <stdin> Qrawl: you have to start it manually, with kdesudo adept_manager
[18:21] <ciccioriccio> i'm search in the NET an avaiable faster site
[18:21] <ciccioriccio> bye
[18:21] <Qrawl> ok ty
[18:21] <ciccioriccio> tks
[18:22] <nosrednaekim> we need to fix that BTW...
[18:22] <nosrednaekim> symbolic link kdesu4 to kdesudo
[18:22] <graphikeye> back
[18:22] <graphikeye> on kde4 now
[18:22] <graphikeye> its awesome
[18:23] <mdr> Can someone help me figure out why a java applet (pokerroom.com) loads in firefox but fails to do so in konqueror?
[18:23] <spiritz> Just installed Kubuntu's KDE4 however I can't find the train clock plasmoid... Other distro seem to have it, am I missing something?
[18:23] <nosrednaekim> spiritz: its probably in extragear-plasma
[18:23] <spiritz> nosrednaekim: I though I installed that one
[18:23] <spiritz> nosrednaekim: do you have the train clock ?
[18:24] <omicron> hi there. just installed kde4-core. dolphin-kde4 cannot be started. I get the following error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51566/
[18:24] <spiritz> nosrednaekim: I just checked the file content of the package, it's not inside :(
[18:24] <nerdsquad3210> kunbuntu page is down !
[18:24] <mdr> KDE 4 is out?
[18:24] <spiritz> mdr : indeed
[18:25] <mdr> wow, that will change the world :)
[18:25] <Qrawl> whats the command to apply updates after fetching the lists with  sudo apt-get update
[18:25] <claydoh> _Angelus_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=631178
[18:25] <spiritz> omicron: did u install the kde4-core
[18:25] <DreadKnight> Qrawl: sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:25] <corentin> Re, does anyone can help me to put the song of my computer on?
[18:25] <Qrawl> ty
[18:26] <claydoh> you basically have to download a package with *all* versions of the flash player and install the previous version from it
[18:26] <corentin> Because I don't find the way to do this!
[18:26] <nerdsquad3210> kubuntu forum also seems to be down
[18:26] <omicron> spiritz: yes i did install kde4-core. At the moment I am running a kde4 session..
[18:26] <martijn81> stdin: it seems to have worked! :D
[18:26] <spiritz> omicron: no clue then, sorry
[18:26] <stdin> good :)
[18:27] <nerdsquad3210> are you running it in vmware ?
[18:27] <spiritz> corentin: was it working before?
[18:27] <martijn81> but now i do need to start the kde4 version,  and that another question
[18:27] <claydoh> nerdsquad3210: it just opened for me there, probably getting a few extra hits :)
[18:27] <corentin> Never! Ubuntu does not work either :§
[18:27] <draik_> !printer
[18:27] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[18:27] <MurielGodoi> Anyone knows if Is in the plans wkin do compiz visual effects like cube and wobby windows?
[18:28] <DreadKnight> kubuntu will beat macosx to death, not to talk about vista anymore, facts are facts, it's gonna be HUGE!
[18:28] <stdin> MurielGodoi: #kde-devel is the place to ask about kde development
[18:28] <spiritz> corentin: If I were you I would look on ubuntu's forum for a similar problem with the same hardware that you have -- are you using a laptop?
[18:28] <nosrednaekim> MurielGodoi: if someone writes the plugin, it sure is :)
[18:29] <MurielGodoi> nosrednaekim: nice :)
[18:29] <Gidean> Hello everyone..
[18:29] <omicron> anyone with kde4 on a macbook? kde4 runs, but I cannot get the alt-tab and desktop-grid working. Other visual effects are fine.
[18:29] <corentin> Yes, I already read a tuto on the ubuntu's forum, I have already applicated it (on Ubuntu) and nothing change :(
[18:29] <nerdsquad3210> cant open kubuntu page :(
[18:29] <corentin> (It's strange because it was exactly the same probleme with the same kind of computer :(
[18:29] <nerdsquad3210> bummer
[18:29] <stdin> which page?
[18:30] <martijn81> stdin: my task manager seems to not load properly anymore :( (seems to lock itself somewhere small in the top-left on the desktop )  Do you happen to know which config file i need to dish for this?
[18:30] <spiritz> corentin: out of curiosity, what's ur hardware?
[18:30] <nerdsquad3210> http://kubuntu.org/
[18:30] <stdin> nerdsquad3210: working for me
[18:30] <nerdsquad3210> its not working for me
[18:30] <jpatrick> nerdsquad3210: same here
[18:30] <josh__> My audigy can't play two sounds at once. Can anyone help me with this?
[18:30] <stdin> martijn81: kde4 or 3?
[18:30] <josh__> audigy se
[18:31] <Gidean> I have to linux boxes connected to a linksys router.  I want to be able to contol one with the other and disconect the monitor.  Can someone point me in the direction of a good HOWTO, please.
[18:31] <martijn81> stdin: kde4
[18:31] <stdin> !ssh | Gidean
[18:31] <ubotu> Gidean: SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[18:31] <corentin> HP Pavilin dv9000 = "Laptop dual core"
[18:31] <spiritz> corentin: that's a pretty popular piece of hardware, should be plenty of help
[18:32] <nerdsquad3210> http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/ is working fine
[18:32] <corentin> Yes there are but not any result :( ....
[18:32] <Gidean> Thanks stdin!
[18:32] <stdin> martijn81: easier to just mv ~/.kde4 out of the way and start again
[18:32] <martijn81> lol
[18:33] <martijn81> i'll try
[18:33] <sd132> nosrednaekim: installed  the repository but dont see kde 4 core in the package list
[18:33] <nerdsquad3210> is it worth it to get the new KDE4 ?
[18:33] <nosrednaekim> sd132: run "sudo apt-get update"
[18:33] <nosrednaekim> sd132: and the package name is kde4-core
[18:33] <sd132> nosrednaekim: ok thanks
[18:33] <graphikeye> there's a lot about kde4 i don't understand
[18:33] <nerdsquad3210> old KDE 3 applications  aren't supported ?
[18:34] <stufe> can anyone tell me how i update from console
[18:34] <stufe> get-apt update??
[18:34] <nosrednaekim> nerdsquad3210: yes, they are
[18:34] <nosrednaekim> stufe: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[18:34] <sd132> nosrednaekim:   i get a " Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[18:34] <stdin> stufe: apt-get updates updates the package list, apt-get upgrade  and  apt-get dist-upgrade  updates the packages
[18:34] <stdin> !apt
[18:34] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[18:35] <stdin> sd132: close adept?
[18:35] <sd132> ok
[18:35] <martijn81> stdin: you rock you know that?
[18:35] <sd132> sudo apt-get update
[18:35] <sd132> wrong line sorry
[18:36] <stdin> martijn81: indeed, I do :p
[18:36] <genii> !helpersnack | stdin
[18:36] <ubotu> stdin: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[18:36] <nerdsquad3210> still long until i can run KDE natively on windows ?
[18:36] <draik_> What is HPLIP?
[18:36] <bazhang> haha
[18:36] <Cox> nosrednaekim, is that all to install KDE4 (Because, I tried to follow the step of the Topic, but did not work :(
[18:36] <spiritz> Pushing F11 in Dolphin makes it crash, same with you guys?
[18:37] <nosrednaekim> Cox: no..t hats for every day updates
[18:37] <nerdsquad3210> OMG its the F11 bug alover again :(
[18:37] <Cox> Ah, sorry :$
[18:37] <genii> draik_: Hewlett Packard device manager
[18:37] <martijn81> stdin: how do i find the kde4 version of ktorrent  now? i have installed both versions, but can only seem to find the kde3 version...
[18:38] <Ch1ppy> hey, I'm trying to install the kde4 packages, but when I remove kdelibs5 as instructed it tried to remove kubuntu-desktop along with everythign that entails - can anyone help me out?
[18:38] <draik_> genii: already installed with 7.10?
[18:38] <spiritz> nerdsquad3210: I guess that's another flaw in Kubunbtu's kde4 pkg
[18:39] <raton> !fr raton
[18:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fr raton - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:39] <stdin> martijn81: look where you built it
[18:39] <DreadKnight> Ch1ppy: just make sure you don't lose adept...
[18:39] <genii> draik_: Seems to be on my default install here
[18:39] <nerdsquad3210> im dtiking to the suse kde
[18:39] <genii> !info hplip
[18:39] <ubotu> hplip: HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP). In component main, is optional. Version 2.7.7.dfsg.1-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 283 kB, installed size 688 kB
[18:39] <Ch1ppy> DreadKnight: well, I'd rather keep kubuntu-desktop as well...
[18:39] <stdin> !fr | raton
[18:39] <ubotu> raton: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[18:39] <nerdsquad3210> sticking *
[18:39] <DreadKnight> Ch1ppy: you can reinstall if you have adept
[18:40] <Ch1ppy> DreadKnight: well yeah, but I'd really rather not have to reinstall
[18:40] <nerdsquad3210> any one detected any bugs in Suse kde 4 live cd ?
[18:40] <Ch1ppy> DreadKnight: that seems rather ...stupid, IMHO
[18:40] <draik_> genii: Thanks
[18:40] <kristjan_> nice work on kde4 packages compared to previous releases ...
[18:40] <gmontenegro> anyone uses KVpnc?
[18:40] <DreadKnight> Ch1ppy: indeed
[18:40] <Ch1ppy> DreadKnight: but I'm supposed to do it anyways?
[18:41] <nosrednaekim> !devsnack | stdin
[18:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about devsnack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:41] <spiritz> nerdsquad3210: yeah but ubuntu and its apt system is really more convenient than suse's one
[18:41] <nosrednaekim> !helpersnack | stdin
[18:41] <DreadKnight> Ch1ppy: i just added the PPA repository and then "sudo apt-get install kde4"
[18:41] <ubotu> stdin: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[18:42] <DreadKnight> !helpersnack | DreadKnight
[18:42] <stdin> don't use "kde4", it'll pull just about everything, use "kde4-core" for now
[18:42] <genii> stdin: We really could use a !devsnack , if only to bug you with LOL
[18:43] <stdin> heh
[18:43] <stdin> make one and poke the -ops :p
[18:43] <DreadKnight> isn't dragon player default in kde4?
[18:43] <spiritz> DreadKnight: nope, it's still alpha or beta
[18:44] <DreadKnight> spiritz: no wonder i couldn't find it ^^ thanks
[18:44] <DreadKnight> what's your oppinion about juk and dragon player? ^^
[18:45] <spiritz> DreadKnight:  Mine? So far I prefered to stick with amarok and kaffeine
[18:45] <DreadKnight> spiritz: was asking the people; but i have the same preferences, maybe we'll get used to :| or not
[18:46] <spiritz> DreadKnight: I wish that now that libplasma is being installed on everyone's computer, maybe the amarok team will release some kind of alpha of amarok2
[18:47] <DreadKnight> spiritz: that would be kool
[18:47] <Pensador> Hello there
[18:47] <Pensador> perhaps everyone asked this today
[18:47] <Azzmodan> I shall repeat my question in here: Is there a "kubuntu-desktop" like package for kde4?
[18:47] <Pensador> well, that
[18:48] <kristjan_> Azzmodan: read instructions at kubuntu.org
[18:48] <Pensador> For me, Kubuntu.org is down
[18:48] <nosrednaekim> Azzmodan: nope.... but for all the absolute neccesities, use "kde4-core"
[18:48] <DreadKnight> Azzmodan: kde4 is the package, or use kde4-core
[18:48] <omicron> I am not able to start dolphin-kde4: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51566/ any clues?
[18:48] <DreadKnight> the edu and games packages are neat anyway ^^
[18:49] <spiritz> Azzmodan: There's a small one : kde4-core. Though it doesn't install many things by default. I manually installed plenty of others by hand.
[18:49] <MurielGodoi> I just took the taskbar away in my kde4,  how can I put it back?
[18:49] <graphikeye> hey, how do i add a volume icon to the panel?
[18:49] <Azzmodan> Just installing kde4-core will just get me a base kde4 right? I was curious if there's was any work being done on a kde4 "ubuntu desktop enviroment"
[18:50] <luca_b> graphikeye: the plasma component for the volume is not yet ready
[18:50] <DreadKnight> MurielGodoi: it's a known issue.. you need to delete something from .kde4, while you are on kde3... you can remove the entire folder let's say
[18:50] <nosrednaekim> MurielGodoi: right click on dekstop->add widgets->taskbar and drag to panel
[18:50] <bazhang> kde4 gnome? heh
[18:50] <spiritz> MurielGodoi: I would say restart plasma ? :) If that doesn't work, maybe kill the ~/.kde4/ -> Kind of the hard way, but that just happened  to me.
[18:50] <graphikeye> thanks
[18:50] <luca_b> oh yeah, for all of you interested in knowing why Plasma is different
[18:50] <vbgunz> almost everyday, I have to restart networking several times a day. anyone know what could be wrong or how to address it?
[18:50] <spiritz> nosrednaekim: yours is cleaner :)
[18:50] <luca_b> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/FAQ
[18:50] <DreadKnight> graphikeye: launch the new kmix from the multimedia panel.. check the settings ;)
[18:50] <Azzmodan> "restart networking" really doesn't say much
[18:50] <luca_b> the above link is a small FAQ on common questions regarding plasma
[18:50] <nosrednaekim> spiritz: actually, erasing the .kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc works too
[18:51] <DreadKnight> spiritz: you don't have the panel?
[18:51] <werner> !plasma
[18:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about plasma - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:51] <werner> mh, whats plasma meant here?
[18:51] <MurielGodoi> DreadKnight: me.... i just remove that :(
[18:51] <DreadKnight> spiritz: erase that thing nosrednaekim said but when you are out the kde4 session... running kde3 for example
[18:52] <bazhang> part of kde4 werner
[18:52] <DreadKnight> :D
[18:52] <DreadKnight> sorry, MurielGodoi, i wrote to spiritz heh
[18:52] <Pensador> Is it possible just to install KDE4 without preinstalling KDE3 first?
[18:52] <luca_b> Plasma is the component that draws desktop, taskbar, widgets
[18:52] <DreadKnight> Pensador: yes
[18:52] <werner> bazhang: thx! what part? oh well, i'll google ... :)
[18:52] <luca_b> werner: there's a FAQ on the KDE visual guide and also plasma.kde.org for design goals
[18:52] <DreadKnight> MurielGodoi: erase that thing nosrednaekim said but when you are out the kde4 session... running kde3 for example
[18:52] <bazhang> werner see luca_b's comment above
[18:52] <BluesKaj> hmm, looks like kde4 is a dependency hell from my POV
[18:52] <werner> luca_b: thx! :)
[18:52] <Pensador> DreadKnight: Thanks...
[18:53] <luca_b> bazhang: disclaimer: I'm the one who wrote that FAQ
[18:53] <luca_b> along with other contributors
[18:53] <bazhang> luca_b: nicely done! thanks!
[18:53] <MurielGodoi> DreadKnight, nosrednaekim, i will do that... thank
[18:53] <luca_b> bazhang: I have video tutorials also, but I'm waiting for the release frenzy to finish to make them
[18:54] <DreadKnight> MurielGodoi: for the record, you had a prerelease of kde4 right?
[18:54] <Pensador> it seems there is no kde4-core package... at least that's what apt tells me
[18:54] <werner> looks nice
[18:54] <Azzmodan> kde4base?
[18:54] <DreadKnight> MurielGodoi: because the same happened to me
[18:54] <bazhang> luca_b: where will they be available? or should I wait for the faq :}
[18:54] <stdin> Pensador: update the package database
[18:54] <spiritz> Pensador: Im sure there is
[18:54] <stdin> Azzmodan: do NOT install kde4base, it's a very very very old package
[18:54] <Pensador> sudo apt-get update... And it gets stuck on the Security repos
[18:54] <MurielGodoi> DreadKnight: nop... I just installed it
[18:54] <DreadKnight> MurielGodoi: oh i see
[18:55] <luca_b> bazhang: I have them without audio at the moment, discussing on kde-promo for subtitles and a proper speaker
[18:55] <Pensador> well, today I'm very lucky. None of the Ubuntu related websites is opening in my browser as well
[18:55] <bazhang> luca_b: will keep an eye open; thanks again!
[18:55] <ropiku> Hello, I installed kde4 from kubuntu repo (on the site) and I cannot use the desktop icons, clicking on them does nothing
[18:55] <BluesKaj> I don't see a kde4 64 bit version available :(
[18:55] <luca_b> bazhang: I hope to get them released in two weeks
[18:55] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: is it
[18:55] <nosrednaekim> *it is
[18:56] <BluesKaj> where?
[18:56] <stothepizzle> hi
[18:56] <luca_b> How can one add more factoids to ubotu?
[18:56] <DreadKnight> man, the old kmix tray icon was scary xD
[18:56] <stothepizzle> how can i update to kde 4 in kubuntu?
[18:56] <stdin> BluesKaj: there are in the PPA and should be some in -backports by now
[18:56]  * stdin points stothepizzle to *Read* the topic this time
[18:56] <luca_b> stdin: Thanks for the packages, I'm installing them now
[18:57] <DreadKnight> stdin: yeah some are in the backport already, i guess soon we'll be able to get rid of the PPA?
[18:57] <stdin> luca_b: to add a factoid just do "!foo is bar" where foo is the factoid and bar is the message
[18:57] <luca_b> stdin: right in the channel?
[18:57] <stdin> DreadKnight: the PPA was just so they'd be out in time
[18:57] <stdin> luca_b: that or just /msg ubotu
[18:57] <DreadKnight> stdin: roger :D
[18:58] <luca_b> stdin: Is it sensible to report packaging troubles now or should I wait a few?
[18:58] <luca_b> As I think I found one but I want to know if it makes sense
[18:58] <stdin> packaging issues you can report now, KDE bugs should go on bugs.k.o (when it's updated)
[18:59] <flamesage> YAY
[18:59] <luca_b> stdin: I?m checkiung if there's an error on python-kde4
[18:59] <flamesage> So has there been any major show stopers with KDE 4.0?
[18:59] <stdin> python-kde4 is horrible, I know because I packaged it :p
[18:59] <BluesKaj> bah, I'm just getting the broken pkgs , unmet dependency error messages for kde4-core install ...think I'll go push some snow and forget abou this for a while.
[18:59] <luca_b> stdin: It was the first I wanted to try, I love python :P
[19:00] <flamesage> stdin.. I thought you said there was going to be a Live-CD with JUST kde4..
[19:00] <BluesKaj> BBL
[19:00] <stdin> BluesKaj: do you have the PPA repo?
[19:00] <stdin> flamesage: there is
[19:00] <flamesage> how?
[19:00] <stdin> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/ < there
[19:00] <flamesage> If you want to test KDE 4 without installing packages download the live CD (554MB).
[19:00] <flamesage> This one/
[19:00] <FaiDillinGer> yo que pasa all
[19:00] <stdin> !fr
[19:00] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[19:00] <Pici> !es
[19:00] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[19:00] <BluesKaj> stdin, yes i do
[19:00] <FaiDillinGer> anyone knows how to get xen working on kubuntu ?
[19:01] <stdin> BluesKaj: have gutsy-backports too?
[19:01] <stdin> !xen
[19:01] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen
[19:01] <flamesage> Will I be able to install from this LiveCD?  I assume so.
[19:01] <stdin> yeah
[19:01] <FaiDillinGer> fine
[19:01] <flamesage> An error occurred while loading http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/:
[19:01] <flamesage> Could not connect to host cdimage.ubuntu.com: Unknown error.
[19:01] <flamesage> Cannot connect...
[19:01] <flamesage> Wow, the site's under more traffic than I expected.
[19:02] <affan> hi all, i was trying to upgrade to KDE4.0 but the installation failed in between installing the packages and now i cant even open adept. Do you have any ideas?
[19:02] <flamesage> Can you give me a link to the bittorrent?
[19:02] <DreadKnight> affan: restart
[19:02] <wesley> how can i install adept manager back i removed some kde3 apps and it seems it did take adept with it
[19:02] <stdin> flamesage: there isn't a torrent atm
[19:02] <spiritz> DreadKnight: Of course not
[19:02] <BluesKaj> stdin, yes I have 2 backport repos
[19:02] <flamesage> oh, then could you link me to a mirror?
[19:02] <stdin> *NOTICE: If you're trying to install KDE 4.0.0 but are getting errors like "Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin (>= 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed" then you need to temporarily disable the gutsy-backports repository or just wait until all the packages have made it into gutsy-backports*
[19:02] <stdin> to BluesKaj ^
[19:02] <flamesage> I can't access http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/
[19:02] <luca_b> stdin: I've sent a request for ubotu for plasma, I hope it'll save more headaches in teh future
[19:02] <affan> DreadKnight: i restarted X by logging out and re-logging in
[19:02] <spiritz> affan: I would not restart, if you broke everything maybe you're lucky your program are still running but may not after rebooting
[19:02] <stdin> flamesage: try later
[19:03] <BluesKaj> ok gotcha stdin ...will comment them out for now , thx :)
[19:03] <flamesage> oh dang, theres no 64bit...
[19:03] <stdin> luca_b: if you feel it needs explaining at all, feel free to join #ubuntu-ops
[19:03] <DreadKnight> affan: well, had the same issue today... and i REALLY hat to restart :|
[19:03] <flamesage> Oh well, I'll live.
[19:03] <spiritz> affan: try upgrading to kde with apt-get from a konsole
[19:03] <wesley> !adept install
[19:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept install - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:03] <stdin> wesley: you removed adept?
[19:04] <affan> spiritz, DreadKnight: let me restart anyways...
[19:04] <spiritz> affan: as u wish
[19:04] <stdin> wesley: re-install "kubuntu-desktop"
[19:04] <DreadKnight> i had removed adept a couple of times in a day by accident xD
[19:04] <kev__> anyone running KDE4 yet?  I need help on getting rid of the black menu bar, anyone know how?
[19:04] <flamesage> Thank you stdin for all of the work you did.
[19:05] <wesley> can i not only install adept?
[19:05] <flamesage> You know how crazy I was last night, and I apologize.  :P
[19:05] <DreadKnight> kev__: some people need to get it back, you want to get rid of it xD
[19:05] <flamesage> People, I'll be installed KDE4.0 in a few minutes, I'll be able to give you guys a report then.
[19:05] <stdin> wesley: you can, but it's best to install kubuntu-desktop
[19:05] <kev__> haha, yeah, odd eh? ;)
[19:05] <DreadKnight> kev__: no customisation gui for it right now...
[19:05] <wesley> but then i get all those kde3 apps what i removed back again
[19:05] <flamesage> It's beautiful the way it is :P
[19:05] <spiritz> kdev__ : are you referring to the black line on the top & bottom of windows?
[19:06] <gpo> hi all
[19:06] <luca_b> kev__: do you mean the taskbar?
[19:06] <gpo> kde4 isn't working for me
[19:06] <flamesage> How do I start a torrent of this?
[19:06] <DreadKnight> panel
[19:06] <kev__> spiritz - no, the menu bar thing at the bottom of the screen
[19:06] <luca_b> kev__: it's a SVG, but the UI for configuring is not yet present
[19:06] <stdin> wesley: you'll need kde3 apps, most stuff isn't ported to kde4 yet
[19:06] <gpo> when i launch the session in kdm, it is loading then X restart
[19:06] <gpo> can anyone help me ?
[19:06] <nosrednaekim> gpo: did you have a version previously loaded?
[19:06] <DreadKnight> flamesage: create a torrent file with ktorrent, then go to a tracker website and upload/submit... :)
[19:06] <gpo> kde3
[19:07] <kev__> I've moved all the applets onto the desktop, but I can't get rid of the damned menu bar that takes up 1/4 of my screen!
[19:07] <luca_b> kev__: Kickoff?
[19:07] <flamesage> stdin, should I send you the torrent file?
[19:07] <wesley> yeah i only removed the double ones
[19:07] <flamesage> So you could post it on the site?
[19:07] <spiritz> kdev__ : =)
[19:07] <luca_b> kev__: namely the new menu
[19:07] <kev__> dunno
[19:07] <gpo> nosrednaekim : kde3, i uninstalled previous kde4 packages
[19:07] <kev__> yeah, it's big and black :D
[19:07] <luca_b> kev__: can you make a screenshot?
[19:07] <stdin> flamesage: no, we only have official torrents on the server
[19:07] <DreadKnight> flamesage: well, isohunt.com is one... mininova.org   etc
[19:08] <kev__> sure, hang on a sec.....
[19:08] <nosrednaekim> kev__: did you delete your .kde4?
[19:08] <flamesage> oh ok.
[19:08] <gpo> are there some logs for when kde4 loads ?
[19:08] <luca_b> stdin:  a question about packages
[19:08] <flamesage> I'll just wait for the offical torrent to start seeding.
[19:08] <kev__> ok, have screenie, anyone want a copy?
[19:08] <luca_b> stdin: do they set KDEHOME to .kde4 by themselves?
[19:08] <flamesage> (I'm trying to download the iso now from the site)
[19:08] <luca_b> kev__: I'd like to see it so I know what you mean
[19:09] <nosrednaekim> luca_b: no.. thats the default
[19:09] <ubuntu__> hello
[19:09] <sMonk> Hello
[19:09] <nosrednaekim> gpo: possibly in .xession-errors
[19:09] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: I mean for co-existence
[19:09] <gpo> ok thanks
[19:09] <ubuntu__> zhqt is the pqszord for the live CD M
[19:09] <DreadKnight> flamesage: is there already an iso? i've heard the oposite
[19:09] <kev__> grr, now I can't send files :(
[19:09] <stdin> luca_b: we actually patched kde4libs to hard-code ~/.kde4, but the wrapper scripts and startkde script set it anyway
[19:09] <ubuntu__> Ho I need to chnqge ;y keybord
[19:10] <luca_b> stdin: all right, seems a sensible choice for now
[19:10] <flamesage> Last time I tried Desktop Effects, KDE4 went psycho and I no longer had a panel, does this still happen?
[19:10] <stdin> ubuntu__: system settings > regional & language
[19:10] <nosrednaekim> flamesage: try it:)
[19:10] <flamesage> The iso is availible for download here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/
[19:10] <DreadKnight> flamesage: everything fine here :)
[19:10] <stdin> flamesage: not for me, but then I use XRender not OpenGL, and it works fine for me on my intel chip
[19:11] <flamesage> gah the stupid thing stalled on me :(
[19:11] <flamesage> Let me try downloading from a desktop instead of a laptop :P
[19:11] <ubuntu__> what is the password for the liveCD
[19:11] <ubuntu__> ?
[19:11] <luca_b> stdin: is kregexpeditor present in the new sets of packages or will it be removed? (as it's unmantained)
[19:11] <ubuntu__> Now it is better
[19:11] <flamesage> Does anyone know if you can burn lightscribe CDs on a regular CD burner?
[19:11] <DreadKnight> flamesage: if you can't access the sites it's because they are being assaulted xD
[19:11] <flamesage> without them screwing up or anything?
[19:11] <flamesage> Can you use them as regular CD-Rs?
[19:12] <nosrednaekim> flamesage: yeah.. you can
[19:12] <flamesage> ok thanks.
[19:12] <stdin> luca_b: kregexpeditor-kde4 was released with kde 4.0.0 in kdeutils-kde4, that's why we have it
[19:12] <luca_b> stdin: I see, probably it was moved away after tagging
[19:13] <luca_b> stdin: I hope I don't sound offensive, I appreciate the work, I'm merely curious
[19:13] <stdin> luca_b: if it was after tagging, then there's nothing we can do really
[19:13] <spiritz> stdin: do you have any clue why kubuntu's package never including some plasmoid, for instance the train-station-style clock?
[19:13] <luca_b> stdin: another question (sorry :P) did you apply the systray patch to prevent GTK+ apps from crashing?
[19:13] <hydrogen> spiritz: because they are in playground
[19:13] <stdin> luca_b: I don't think it's fare to have to update all kdeutils-kde4 packages and have everyone re-download just to remove one app
[19:14] <spiritz> hydrogen: ok, playground means "good for testing purpose"?
[19:14] <stdin> spiritz: we packaged what kde released, if it wasn't in the release then there can be no package
[19:15] <stdin> luca_b: hmm, was it applied upstream?
[19:15] <hydrogen> spiritz: playground means "still highly in development and not at all release quality"
[19:15] <luca_b> stdin: In 4.0 branch but I have a link to the bug entry where there's a patch for 4.0.0 if you want
[19:15] <spiritz> stdin, hydrogen : ok I got it, thanks
[19:16] <luca_b> otherwise GTK+ apps with system tray icons will crash due to a bug in GTK+
[19:16] <Chris12349> anyone know if there kontact works with the recently released kde 4?
[19:16] <luca_b> Chris12349: kdepim is not released with 4.0
[19:16] <luca_b> not yet ready
[19:16] <stdin> luca_b: if you can report a bug on launchpad with the link that'll be great, against kdebase-workspace-bin
[19:16] <hydrogen> kontact from kde3 does work with kde4
[19:16] <luca_b> stdin: on my way right now!
[19:16] <Chris12349> thanks guys
[19:17] <Chris12349> does kdepim include kopete as well?
[19:17] <stdin> no, kdenetwork
[19:18] <samir85> Hey guys. Can somebody tell me how to activate the kwin effect in kde4?
[19:18] <sMonk> stdin: Earlier, you said to just install kde4-core.. then install the kde4?
[19:18] <spiritz> stdin: do u know what's the level of customisation (besides file location) that a distro applies to such release project?
[19:18] <stdin> sMonk: if you want, but that grabs just about everything
[19:18] <vers> how do i send files to my virtualbox?
[19:18] <stdin> spiritz: with 4.0.0, just about nothing at all
[19:19] <nosrednaekim> vers: through shared folders
[19:19] <spiritz> vers: "network share" - read the manual
[19:19] <vers> thanx
[19:19] <stdin> sMonk: it's in system settings -> desktop
[19:19] <sMonk> stdin: so just try the core first? Then if I want the extra crap get the KDE4 then right?
[19:19] <stdin> yep
[19:19] <sMonk> got ya
[19:19] <samir85> join #kde
[19:19] <luca_b> stdin: stdin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/182093
[19:20] <sMonk> stdin: what's in my settings -> desktop? Or did you type to the wrong person?
[19:20] <stdin> luca_b: thanks, I'll let our main dev know about it
[19:20] <stdin> now who did I mean?...
[19:21] <stdin> ahh, samir85
[19:21] <stdin> it's in system settings -> desktop
[19:21] <sMonk> lol
[19:21] <sMonk> you've been up too long
[19:21] <samir85> ok thanks
[19:22] <stdin> no sleep + many people starting sentences with "stdin:" = bad things
[19:22] <nosrednaekim> haha
[19:22] <nosrednaekim> stdin: you're doing an amazing job :)
[19:23] <sMonk> ture
[19:23] <sMonk> true even
[19:24] <sMonk> I bet last night though you were just waiting for all hell to break loose.
[19:24] <stdin> I waited for ever for kde.orh to announce :p
[19:24] <stdin> *org
[19:24] <sMonk> lol.. like the calm before the storm
[19:25] <wsjunior> whats the easier way to vanish kde3 from my laptop and stay only with kde4?
[19:25] <luca_b> wsjunior: I would not recommend it
[19:25] <luca_b> wsjunior: a lot of applications aren't ported yet
[19:25] <luca_b> wsjunior: for example kmail
[19:25] <stdin> wsjunior: really, don't
[19:25] <wsjunior> luca_b: the ones i need are
[19:25] <wsjunior> i dont use kmail
[19:25] <wsjunior> anymore
[19:25] <luca_b> wsjunior: also the KDE project itself says 4.0.0 is for early adopters
[19:26] <wardloockx> is the KDE 3.x development over now?
[19:26] <luca_b> wsjunior: it will eat your children
[19:26] <wsjunior> lol
[19:26] <sMonk> HAHA
[19:26] <stdin> wardloockx: there may be another release yet
[19:26] <marius> hi to all
[19:26] <wsjunior> i would like to do so anyways
[19:26] <wardloockx> yes offcource but bugfixes in KDE 3.x
[19:26] <wardloockx> and things like that will they be supported in the future ?
[19:26] <hydrogen> ye
[19:26] <hydrogen> s
[19:26] <marius> i need a commander!
[19:26] <wardloockx> or is the whole KDE 3x frozen?
[19:27] <sMonk> wsjunior: you flirtin with disaster I think
[19:27] <hydrogen> 3.5 is still open for bugfixes
[19:27] <marius> what should i use?
[19:27] <flamesage> I really didn't see any showstoppers with KDE4 RC..
[19:27] <wardloockx> okay thx
[19:27] <flamesage> There were only a few things (Desktop Effects, which I hear have been fixed)
[19:27] <luca_b> flamesage: Plasma is however just a small percentage of what it is intended to be
[19:27] <wsjunior> sMonk: im using kde4 right now and it has all i need at the moment
[19:27] <flamesage> The bottom panel disipearing (which I hear as when fixed)
[19:27] <flamesage> I think the only thing that really is missing is the customization options.
[19:27] <articpenguin3800> i added the kde4 repo but now i have 48updates
[19:28] <wsjunior> and since its my personal laptop i wont have big troubles if something painful happens
[19:28] <stdin> hey, it's a 0.0 release, take it easy :p
[19:28] <sMonk> ah
[19:28] <luca_b> a 0.0 release that took two years to release, so yes, take it easy like he said
[19:28] <sMonk> nice job on the packaging stdin
[19:28] <articpenguin3800> the updates are for kde 3.5.8
[19:29] <wsjunior> considering that i dont care about these warnings, whats the easier way to delete kde3 entirely?
[19:29] <stdin> thanks
[19:30] <stdin> articpenguin3800: yes you need to update kdebase (kde3) too
[19:30] <Dacee> which button I have to press to log-out from KDE in Festy? There's dialog with four buttons and no text....
[19:30] <articpenguin3800> even amarok??
[19:30] <stdin> wsjunior: install from the kde4 cd then
[19:30] <stdin> articpenguin3800: there is a new version of amarok yeah, but that's in gutsy-backports anyway
[19:31] <articpenguin3800> backports safe?
[19:31] <wsjunior> kinda
[19:31] <stdin> depends on what you mean by "safe", but they shouldn't break anything
[19:32] <articpenguin3800> stable?
[19:32] <wsjunior> no
[19:32] <stdin> just (selected) backported packages from hardy
[19:32] <articpenguin3800> so there unstable then
[19:32] <stdin> kde 4.0.0 isn't "stable" as such
[19:33] <stdin> there are going to be many a bug there
[19:33] <articpenguin3800> kde 4 is stable for me
[19:33] <Pensador> Hello people, just a simple question. is KDE4 on the "regular" repos of Ubuntu or do we still have to add PPA repos?
[19:33] <MurielGodoi> some plasmoids don't lose the focus when the cursor leaves their area. Is that a known issue?
[19:33] <stdin> "for you" is the operate term
[19:33] <wsjunior> stdin: is there any other way to go? i already have both working here, isnt there a metapackage to purge kde3?
[19:33] <sandeep> Hi sorry to bother you all again
[19:33] <sandeep> but for some reason
[19:33] <spiritz> MurielGodoi: same problem here, looks weird
[19:33] <sandeep> my internet seems to be going slower than normal when I use firefox
[19:33] <stdin> Pensador: both, if you have -backports then most should be there now, if not then use the PPA
[19:33] <sandeep> and its only in kubu
[19:34] <Pensador> thanks. I'll check
[19:34] <flamesage> hmm
[19:34] <stdin> wsjunior: not really no, many aspects of kubuntu depend on kde3, and don't expect to be able to configure wireless in kde4 yet
[19:35] <NoWaspAtWDC> what are plasmoids ?
[19:35] <sMonk> well, I'm going to go try my kde4
[19:35] <stdin> wsjunior: many things that are needed to make a "complete" desktop aren't there
[19:35] <flamesage> You mean if you can't already configure wireless in 3.x stdin..
[19:35] <hydrogen> you can run knetworkmanager in kde4
[19:35] <stdin> NoWaspAtWDC: applets/widgets
[19:35] <flamesage> yeah ^
[19:35] <flamesage> that was I mean.
[19:35] <nosrednaekim> NoWaspAtWDC: little applets... like Vista Gadgets
[19:35] <stdin> hydrogen: not when you remove kde3
[19:35] <NoWaspAtWDC> i thought it was about that bio game
[19:35] <hydrogen> stdin: depends what parts you remove..
[19:35] <flamesage> .... oh crap
[19:35] <flamesage> Well, I could just do sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager
[19:35] <flamesage> Right?
[19:35] <stdin> hydrogen: that's the point, they want to remove it all
[19:35] <nosrednaekim> flamesage: yeah
[19:35] <flamesage> ok good ;P
[19:35] <flamesage> though..
[19:36] <hydrogen> flamesage: that would instlal parts of kde again
[19:36] <flamesage> If I don't have internet accesss...
[19:36] <flamesage> x_x
[19:36] <hydrogen> like kdelibs
[19:36] <NoWaspAtWDC> havent you played bioshock it was plasmoids
[19:36] <NoWaspAtWDC> has*
[19:36] <flamesage> well... I'm in a pickle.  :P
[19:36] <flamesage> Does wired connections still work?
[19:36] <articpenguin3800> do i report kde4 bugs to launchpad?
[19:36] <stdin> NoWaspAtWDC: they are called plasmoids because the software that displays them is called "plasma"
[19:36] <luca_b> also called widgets
[19:37] <stdin> articpenguin3800: only packaging bugs, kde bugs go to bugs.kde.org (when it re-opens)
[19:37] <luca_b> there isn't a fixed terminology AFAIK
[19:37] <stdin> I like plasmoids, it's a fun new word :p
[19:37] <flamesage> So plasmoids = widgets?
[19:37] <luca_b> flamesage: for now yes
[19:37] <nosrednaekim> flamesage: anything can be done from the command line
[19:38] <articpenguin3800> why do i get this
[19:38] <articpenguin3800> eyesapplet-kde4:
[19:38] <articpenguin3800>  Depends: kdebase-runtime-bin but it is not going to be installed
[19:38] <flamesage> sorry about that, had to reset.
[19:38] <nosrednaekim> articpenguin3800: disable the backports repository
[19:38] <stdin> articpenguin3800: install "kdebase-bin-kde4" first
[19:38] <stdin> do both :)
[19:39] <luca_b> stdin: I notice all the apps are named *-kde4, is there some magic when KDE4 is run in a full session to call them with "regular" names?
[19:40] <nosrednaekim> luca_b: yeah... itsall about the path
[19:40] <articpenguin3800> i already have kdebase-bin-kde4 installed
[19:40] <stdin> luca_b: packages are called -kde4, otherwise they'd replace the kde3 versions
[19:40] <luca_b> stdin: yeah, I meant the actual programs, my bad
[19:41] <stdin> luca_b: with apps the .desktop file in /usr/share are renamed, but the ones in /usr/lib/kde4 aren't and even if they use the .desktop in /usr/share it just links to a wrapper script to run the kde4 version anyway
[19:42] <stdin> luca_b: eg kde4-dolphin.desktop runs dolphin-kde4, which is a script that sets the environment and runs /usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin
[19:42] <sMonk> Not to shabby.. I can see that with a little time KDE4 / plasma will be very powerful
[19:42] <luca_b> stdin: oh, thanks for the explanation
[19:42] <luca_b> it all makes sense now
[19:43] <stdin> running from krunner just searches the $PATH, and the kde4 path is set before the rest of the path in the startkde script
[19:43] <articpenguin3800> so should i update all my programs from ppa
[19:44] <chuso> is it possible making thinner the apps panel in kde4?
[19:44] <stdin> articpenguin3800: if you want kde4, then yes. everything (other than amarok) in the PPA is a needed package for kde4
[19:44] <stdin> chuso: no, it wasn't implemented in time for 4.0.0
[19:45] <articpenguin3800> i already have kde4 installed
[19:45] <articpenguin3800> but i have 48 updates from ppa
[19:45] <chuso> ok, thanks a lot stdin :)
[19:46] <stdin> articpenguin3800: then what's left that wants updating?
[19:46] <luca_b> I'll put a trick for a top panel on the plasma FAQ once I have time
[19:46] <voicu> wee, kde4 really rocks :D
[19:46] <Freddy2> hello
[19:46] <articpenguin3800> lots of programs from kde 3.5.8 want updating
[19:46] <articpenguin3800> backports are off
[19:47] <stdin> like?
[19:47] <stothepizzle> hi
[19:47] <articpenguin3800> kicker kwin amarok
[19:47] <stdin> articpenguin3800: all the packages from kdebase (kde3) will,  and amarok
[19:47] <stdin> that's all kdebase, just install it all
[19:47] <articpenguin3800> ok =)
[19:48] <stothepizzle> does the advice to install kde that is on http://kubuntu.org/anouncements/kde-4.0.php work for feisty?
[19:48] <luca_b> stdin: I take it's to prevent conflicting files?
[19:48] <DrakeJustice_> anyone know howto get amarok2 running in kde4?
[19:48] <nosrednaekim> stothepizzle: no
[19:48] <stothepizzle> how can i get kde 4 on fesity?
[19:48] <nosrednaekim> DrakeJustice_: works for me
[19:48] <DrakeJustice_> nosrednaekim: how?
[19:48] <DrakeJustice_> nosrednaekim: i get a FindKDE4Internal cmake problem
[19:48] <jussi01> hmmm, I keep getting randomly logged out, its possible it is when I use apt, but im not certain about that. ideas?
[19:48] <luca_b> Amarok2 is not even alpha though, so I would discourage installation
[19:48] <articpenguin3800> was copy to and move to implemented in KDE4?
[19:49] <luca_b> articpenguin3800: for what exactly?
[19:49] <stdin> luca_b: yeah, it split some files to a separate -kde3 package, ones that can be provided by either kde3 or 4 and work in both
[19:49] <voicu> will kubuntu 8.04 be centered on KDE4.0?
[19:49] <stdin> articpenguin3800: you mean kde-cp?
[19:49] <stdin> voicu: that's the plan
[19:49] <articpenguin3800> i think so
[19:49] <DrakeJustice_> im just trying to compile it... not for using...
[19:49] <stdin> articpenguin3800: then yeah
[19:49] <articpenguin3800> when you right click on a file you have option of copy to and move to
[19:49] <stothepizzle> ok, so will the advice there work or not?, or is there any steps for feisty that will deffinitly work?
[19:49] <articpenguin3800> but i dont see that in kde 4
[19:50] <stothepizzle> for feisty?
[19:50] <Freddy2> i've seen a few alternative options (such as hardware raid and fakeraid) but i'd like to know if you can use 3 (empty, same sized, sata) disks for creating a software raid
[19:50] <stdin> stothepizzle: no, only gutsy
[19:50] <luca_b> articpenguin3800: unsure for the desktop (thoug dragging works)
[19:50] <Freddy2> i mean, creating it at install time, and booting directly from it
[19:50] <stdin> !nickspam > k
[19:51] <wesley> !adeptfix
[19:51] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[19:51] <Freddy2> (using kernel raid support, that is, raidtools or mdadm)
[19:51] <stothepizzle> dang, will it ever come to feisty?
[19:51] <genii> Freddy2: since grub doesn't play nice with raid as the /boot dir you need still some non-raid partition for that
[19:52] <articpenguin3800> only thing missing from kde 4 is adept
[19:52] <nosrednaekim> articpenguin3800: they are working on it ;)
[19:52] <Freddy2> hmm having /boot on another external drive (with the kernel) should be enough? can you create all this at install time?
[19:52] <stdin> articpenguin3800: there isn't an adept for kde4 yet, we're porting it
[19:53] <articpenguin3800> ok =)
[19:53] <stdin> articpenguin3800: you can try kpackage-kde4
[19:53] <stothepizzle> the fundamental problem with gutsy is wireless
[19:54] <flamesage> whats wrong with the wireless in gutsy?
[19:54] <articpenguin3800> whats going to be defualt in hardy?   kde 3 or kde 4
[19:55] <flamesage> stdin: When you guys release that and wireless network manager, will it come as an "update"?
[19:55] <articpenguin3800> backport probalby
[19:55] <stdin> articpenguin3800: kde4 but with the option of kde3
[19:55] <flamesage> and I can still install knetworkmanager and adept in KDE 4.0 and just use the 3.x ones correct?
[19:55] <articpenguin3800> great =)
[19:56] <sMonk> Isn't there a way to make all widgets on a separate screen, and bring them in with a diffrent button? Kinda like Mac?
[19:56] <voicu> does anyone else have problems with global hotkeys?
[19:56] <stdin> flamesage: yeah, because we need to port (rewrite) them
[19:56] <articpenguin3800> i notice the repos are never updated with new software when it comes out      is that what backports are for?
[19:56] <acee1234> kde4 or not yet?
[19:56] <hydrogen>  see the topic
[19:56] <flamesage> stdin: What % of applications would you say have already been ported to the new QT?
[19:56] <hydrogen> its odd what the topic has in it
[19:56] <genii> Freddy2: Normally what I'm doing is going to console of livecd and manually running fdisk to make the partitions of my raid disks type fd (raid autodetect) then using an usb key for /boot area. Then going to usual install where it lets you then create a raid5 of the 3 disks, etc etc
[19:56] <_Angelus_> guys
[19:57] <_Angelus_> where are packages from adept downloaded to ?
[19:57] <hydrogen>  /var/cache/apt/archives
[19:57] <stdin> articpenguin3800: generally we try not to touch the main repos after release, -security get security fixes -updates get general bug fixes and -backports gets new releases
[19:57] <stdin> flamesage: of all kde apps that exist??
[19:57] <articpenguin3800> angelus: file:///var/cache/apt/archives
[19:58] <flamesage> Is it a good idea to have backports enabled?
[19:58] <Freddy2> genii: usb or another drive should not be a problem, but.. can't you configure the raid before installing? (in order to install directly on it, from the graphic installer)
[19:58] <wesley> the digital is by my uu:58 in kde4
[19:59] <genii> Freddy2: After you use fdisk to make them raid partitions you can use it to install the / to, as I just described above
[19:59] <flamesage> stdin: Off all KDE apps that were in Kubuntu 3.x making their way into KDE 4.0
[19:59] <stdin> flamesage: if you want new releases of package, like kde 4.0.0 can't go in -updates because it's a totally new version
[19:59] <genii> Freddy2: But the /boot must be a non-raid
[20:00] <articpenguin3800> is there a hardy kde 4 cd?
[20:00] <Kernel> hello all. how cani tell if my nic is running at full duplex?
[20:00] <genii> Freddy2: Another thing... you need to chroot into the /target before reboot and rebuild initramfs with kernel raid modules
[20:00] <_Angelus_> hydrogen: why doesnt it get cleaned? :S
[20:00] <stdin> flamesage: most main kde apps from kde.org, still some missing though
[20:01] <Freddy2> that's much more manual interaction than expected :/
[20:01] <stdin> articpenguin3800: no
[20:01] <flamesage> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[20:01] <jussi01> when in yakuake, is there a way to switch tabs via the keyboard?
[20:02] <flamesage> Has restricted drivers manager been ported to KDE 4.x
[20:02] <stdin> all the apps that we (kubuntu) made will be ported
[20:02] <stdin> eventually
[20:02] <stdin> or better/replacement apps created
[20:02] <_Angelus_> probably in the next kubuntu release :/
[20:02] <flamesage> right.. what I want to know though is, what important apps are not on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[20:02] <flamesage> That live CD
[20:03] <Freddy2> amarok, akregator, kmail..
[20:03] <stdin> there are no kde3 apps on it, so a lot
[20:03] <kev__> grr, how do I get file uploads working in Konversation?
[20:03] <articpenguin3800> in hardy do people who want to use kde 4 need to add ppa or they already in the repos
[20:03] <hydrogen> please please _please_ replace adept
[20:03] <sd132>  I have kde 4 installed but when i login my taskbar never shows up???
[20:03] <Freddy2> depends on what you call "important" XD
[20:03] <flamesage> Wireless, Restricted Drivers, et.
[20:03] <stdin> articpenguin3800: no, remember the packages are backported from hardy
[20:03] <gribouille> hi
[20:03] <voicu> sd132: try to delete the .kde4 directory in your home directory
[20:04] <voicu> that resets the settings
[20:04] <gribouille> are there packages avaialble for kde 4 ?
[20:04] <sd132> vocicu,ok thanks
[20:04] <flamesage> gribouille: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[20:04] <sd132> voicu,thanks
[20:04] <kev__> How do you get rid of the black menu bar at bottom of the screen is what I want to know?
[20:04] <stdin> hydrogen: between me and you, there be some ideas floating around regarding that ;)
[20:04] <voicu> sd132: np
[20:05] <flamesage> Anyway... I'm going to take the plunge now.. adios
[20:05] <hydrogen> stdin: and the other 371 people on the channel? :)
[20:05] <flamesage> Wish me good luck! :)
[20:05] <gribouille> flamesage, ok, thanks
[20:05] <sd132> voicu, dont see one
[20:05] <voicu> it's hidden
[20:06] <stdin> hydrogen: they won't notice, trust me :p
[20:06] <voicu> select view hidden files from the menu
[20:06] <sd132> voicu: got it, thanks
[20:07] <genii> Freddy: If you like I can write a short synopsis of steps into the pastebin and give you the address of it for reference
[20:07] <Freddy2> genii: it's fine for me, thx
[20:08] <kev__> KDE4 - how do I get rid of the black menu bar at bottom of the screen?
[20:08] <genii> Freddy2: I'm trying to understand if that means yes or no    LOL
[20:08] <Freddy2> yes, please :)
[20:08] <voicu> kaffeine isn't ported yet?
[20:08] <_Angelus_> is /var/cache/apt/ ever cleared?
[20:08] <_Angelus_> :S
[20:08] <Manad> hi
[20:08] <genii> Freddy2: OK
[20:08] <sMonk> stdin / hydrogen.. i noticed.. lol
[20:08] <voicu> all the movies have low fps
[20:08] <lextul> voicu: no
[20:09] <sMonk> I use Synaptic any way
[20:09] <lextul> but the work is ongoing
[20:09] <stdin> sMonk: took you long enough though :p
[20:09] <wesley> does somebody know how to solve problem with digitale time setting in kde plasma http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/3598/snapshot2ar0.png
[20:09] <sMonk> I know, I was reading something else
[20:09] <Freddy2> genii: i have to leave for 15 minutes.. if i'm not yet back please send me a private message
[20:09] <_Angelus_> is /var/cache/apt/ ever cleared? automaticaly , or must i clean it myself?
[20:10] <stdin> wesley: nick bleach wallpaper :)
[20:10] <Manad> Is there any reason why Kubuntu would not be able to use my keyboard? I installed it, it worked fine, but after a couple of weeks, when I booted up the computer, it doesn't accept key strokes. I know it's not the keyboard itself because I can press DEL to access the BIOS
 you have to clean it yourself I think
[20:10] <sMonk> one question I do have tho. I thought that I seen some snapshots of KDE4's widgets on a drop screen, sim to OSX on Mac.. is there a button combo that will drop in active widgets?
[20:10] <wesley> stdin i have fpto of me cosplaying as ichigo
[20:11] <kev__> sudo apt-get clean I believe :)
[20:11] <genii> Freddy2: OK, or I'll memo you
[20:11] <kev__> KDE4 - how do I get rid of the black menu bar at bottom of the screen?
[20:12] <articpenguin3800> should i upgrade to hardy or install from the install cd?
[20:12] <mitch_> I installed Kubuntu through the kubuntu-desktop metapackage. When asked to select a default, I selected Gnome. What's the command to run that tool again, so I can select KDM?
[20:12] <_Angelus_> ok i think i messed things up
[20:12] <_Angelus_> E: Could not open lock file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (2 No such file or directory)
[20:12] <_Angelus_> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[20:13] <jussi01> !adeptfix | _Angelus_
[20:13] <ubotu> _Angelus_: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[20:13] <_Angelus_> no
[20:13] <hydrogen> mm
[20:13] <hydrogen> just make the directory
[20:13] <_Angelus_> i made a "sudo rm -rf /var/cache/apt/archives
[20:13] <hydrogen> you probably deleted it, right?
[20:13] <_Angelus_> LOL
[20:13] <kev__> eek!
[20:13] <voicu> mitch_: open /etc/X11/default-display-manager with administrative privileges and write /usr/bin/kdm instead of what's inthere
[20:13] <hydrogen> sudo mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives
 remake the folder
[20:14] <_Angelus_> done
[20:14] <mitch_> voicu: I know there's a quick easy command to launch the screen to select it again. Don't know what it is?
[20:15] <_Angelus_> md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[20:15] <_Angelus_> The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
[20:16] <_Angelus_> why is this?
[20:16] <stdin> _Angelus_: see the topic
[20:16] <sMonk> one question I do have tho. I thought that I seen some snapshots of KDE4's widgets on a drop screen, sim to OSX on Mac.. is there a button combo that will drop in active widgets?
[20:17] <hydrogen> ctrl+f12
[20:17] <hydrogen> I thinkis what you mean
[20:17] <sMonk> gracias
[20:18] <sMonk> LoL, if plasma takes off it'll need an entire sep instruction man
[20:18] <kvonb> KDE4 - Anyone know how to get rid of the black menu bar at bottom of the screen?
[20:19] <sMonk> you mean hide it? or loose it all together?
[20:20] <kvonb>  <sMonk> yeah, that would work :)
[20:20] <wesley> does somebody know how to solve problem with digitale time setting in kde plasma http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/3598/snapshot2ar0.png
[20:20] <kvonb> the damned thing takes up 1/4 of my screen!
[20:20] <sMonk> lol, which one or both?
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> kvonb: edit your .kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc and erase the setcion about containment2
[20:22] <kvonb> KDE4 - I moved all the applets from the bar onto the desktop, but need to get dor of the bar!
[20:22] <gribouille> in kde 4, is there a way to restore the K menu like it was in kde 3 ?
[20:22] <kvonb>  <nosrednaekim> yeah, tried that, the bugger won't go though :(
[20:22]  * inetpro bye
[20:23] <nosrednaekim> kvonb: what?
[20:23] <nosrednaekim> gribouille: yeah... there is a old style menu somwhere... not sure where though
[20:23] <kvonb>  <nosrednaekim> honest, it just keeps coming back!!
[20:23] <wesley> i got in kde4 by the digital clock plasma think not 21:23 but uu:23 does some have this problem also and does some one know to fix it?
[20:24] <claydoh> kvonb: you can add the application launcher widget
[20:24] <sMonk> kvonb: It's the toolbar from hell.. lol
[20:24] <kvonb> hahaha
[20:24] <hydrogen> wesley: what locale do you use?
[20:24] <kvonb> tell me about it!
[20:24] <wesley> amsterdam
[20:24] <sMonk> it'll come back to haunt you like bad chili
[20:25] <kvonb>  <claydoh>  I'll try that, thanks
[20:25] <hydrogen> wesley: I think its a translation bug
[20:25] <claydoh> err gribouille rather sorry
[20:25] <HS^> what you think about kde style that is black for plasmas
[20:25] <HS^> ..
[20:25] <HS^> in k4
[20:26] <claydoh> gribouille: you cn add the old style app launcher as a widget, there are two listed, one is 'traditional'
[20:26] <sMonk> I like er..
 I might edit the file, then change perms to root, that might fix the bastard! :D
[20:26] <claydoh> gribouille: just open the widgets dialolg, and drag it to your bar
[20:27] <claydoh> and delete the other one
[20:27] <gribouille> nosrednaekim, try to remember
 which one?
[20:27] <sMonk> That or the system will fix you.. I thought I seen a command to hide it tho? no? I would be trying to help you at the moment but I'm tryingto get an important d/l and I'm back in 3.5.8
[20:27] <claydoh> gribouille: try what I said, you can idd the traditional menu to the taskbar
[20:28] <gribouille> claydoh, ok, thanks
 yeah me too, I was sick of xchat crashing under KDE4!
[20:28] <angasule> I can't play mp3 on amarok or kaffeine, even though I installed the appropriate packages as far as I know
[20:29] <sMonk> A Few other things too.
[20:29] <angasule> 06:26:59 PM: xine: couldn't find demux for <filename>
[20:29] <kvonb> I wouldn't mind so much if I could just get rid of that damned black menu bar!
[20:29] <sMonk> finally just about done my d/l
[20:30] <nosrednaekim> kvonb: you know.... you may need to remove all appletsfrom the panel first, and then erase th container out of the file
[20:30] <nosrednaekim> kvonb: I did do it once, so it is possible
[20:30] <luca_b> oh, did someone try a DCC with me?
[20:30] <claydoh> kvonb: not sure, I think I did that once by deleting the bar till all its parts are all gone
[20:31] <kvonb>  <nosrednaekim> I thought I did, there are no others with a container#2 listing in there, but I'll check
[20:31] <nosrednaekim> kvonb: ok... you may want to edit that OUTSIDE of kde4
[20:32] <gribouille> claydoh, how can I put the K menu on the bar on the bottom ?
 ok, done that (I'm in old KDE now)
[20:32] <kvonb> will try :)
[20:33] <kvonb> brb......
[20:33] <claydoh> gribouille: you have to drag it from the widget dialog box
[20:33] <claydoh> you can';
[20:33] <claydoh> can't drag it from the desktop
[20:33] <gribouille> pok
[20:37] <sMonk> kvonb: have you solved the prob?
[20:37] <kvonb> nosrednaekim YAY, got rid of the bloody thing, woohoo :)
[20:37] <claydoh> kvonb: i can't rid of the bar either, tho I did do it once in earlier version
[20:38] <LeeJunFan> http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1619
[20:38] <nosrednaekim> kvonb: sweet, what are you going to use instead?
[20:38] <sMonk> Nice call Mr. Anderson :)
yeah mate, it's toast :D
[20:38] <LeeJunFan> sry - wrong windows
[20:38] <claydoh> how'd you do it?
[20:38] <LeeJunFan> wrong window that is.
[20:38] <nosrednaekim> LeeJunFan: lemme guess that was intended for #ronpaul
I had to edit the file while not in KDE4, just removed the whole container[2] section
[20:39] <claydoh> ahh
[20:39] <LeeJunFan> nosrednaekim: yeah :/
[20:39] <kvonb> now for my next trick.....
[20:39] <claydoh> well that negates the need for a transparent kicker :)
[20:39] <kvonb> how do I get a task list? :D
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> kvonb: lol, use the kde3 kicker?
[20:40] <kvonb> hahah
[20:40] <kvonb> nice try ;)
[20:40] <luca_b> !plasma
[20:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about plasma - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> use kooldock... or awn
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> kvonb: OR! write your own!
[20:40] <claydoh> can you add widgets for it tot he desktop?
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> XD
[20:40] <sd132> i loaded  kde 4 and now  it wont  take my password to get into adept..:-/
[20:41] <claydoh> brb
[20:41] <kvonb>  <nosrednaekim>pfft!  Sure, after I organise my toenail collection, I'm rather busy this LIFETIME! :)
[20:41] <sylvain_> hi all
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> sd132: run "kdesudo adept_manager" from a konsole
[20:42] <DrakeJustice_> nosrednaekim: can you point at a text on gutsy's kde4 + amarok 2? please... i don't want to have to rebuild kde... and qt... and... etc
[20:42] <sd132> nosrednaekim: ok thanks
[20:42] <sMonk> Ok, for the widgets, I'm trying that ctrl + f12 deal to "hide" the widgets, but when I add them and hit the ctrl + f12 they are still on my desktop
[20:42] <luca_b> sMonk: ctrl f12 does not hide them
[20:42] <sMonk> ahh.. got ya
[20:42] <luca_b> you can bring them to front/to back
[20:43] <luca_b> the Plasma Dashboard, that i
[20:43] <luca_b> s
[20:43] <nosrednaekim> DrakeJustice_: nope... google is your freind
[20:43] <luca_b> you get a nice effect if you run composite
[20:43] <sMonk> I was looking to "hide" them like OSX
[20:43] <sMonk> oh yeah?
[20:43] <luca_b> sMonk: yes, tried once
[20:43] <luca_b> I normallly run without it though
[20:44] <luca_b> NVIDIA has still problems with ARGB, except the latest driver
[20:44] <DrakeJustice_> nosrednaekim: google doesn't like me today...
[20:44] <Freddy2> genii: i'm back
[20:44] <sd132> nosrednaekim: so i have to use konsole now to get into adept every time?
[20:45] <sMonk> Yeah.. my darn nVidia card drives me nuts on here sometimes
[20:45] <nosrednaekim> sd132: or run that from a run dialog...until we fix that little bug.
[20:45] <sd132> nosrednaekim: ok thanks
[20:45] <luca_b> Oh yeah, for everyone using KDE 4 and GTK+ apps
[20:46] <luca_b> if you have a GTK+ app that has a tray icon, chances are it'll crash
[20:46] <luca_b> it is a GTK+ bug but there is a workaround already, upon stdin request I opened a bug on launchpad with the link to the patch
[20:47] <luca_b> (the patch goes in plasma, not in GTK+, BTW)
[20:47] <sMonk> good to know
[20:47] <stdin-kde4> luca_b: not sure if it will, I have xchat here and you just highlighted my (causing the tray icon to appear) and as you can see, no crash :)
[20:47] <MurielGodoi> Is there a way to set color of title window bar using oxigen as window decorator?
[20:48] <sd132> nosrednaekim: sounds like i should stick with 3.5 a little longer
[20:48] <luca_b> stdin-kde4: perhaps it was already applied?
[20:48] <nosrednaekim> sd132: yup.... kde4 is for the bleeding edge people :)
[20:48] <nosrednaekim> sd132: you can run kde4 apps from within kde3
[20:48] <luca_b> stdin-kde4: someone is going to have mind reading, because I was asking hints on packaging ktorrent for KDE4 and I found a package already :P
[20:48] <luca_b> "was about" rather
[20:48] <stdin-kde4> luca_b: looks like it, I'll have a look at the patch tomorrow and see if it was or not
[20:49] <sd132> nosrednaekim: ok, thanks for the help
[20:49] <sidewalk> so i just istalled the kde-packages, and now i have one "Desktop" and then i have KDE inside a little own box, on my desktop
[20:49] <sidewalk> how do i get it to run completely?
[20:49] <sMonk> i know my aMSN is slow.. and doesn't wan tto connect
[20:49] <sMonk> Oops.. not until the 3rd try.. lol
[20:49] <sMonk> It froze the first time
[20:50] <stdin-kde4> sidewalk: logout and choose "KDE 4" from the login menu
[20:50] <sidewalk> i did
[20:50] <sidewalk> i want it "full screen"
[20:50] <nosrednaekim> sidewalk: log out and select "kde4" from the session menu
[20:50] <sidewalk> i have chosen kde4 from the session menu
[20:50] <stdin-kde4> sidewalk: that does starts a full session, full screen
[20:50] <nosrednaekim> sidewalk: and...
[20:51] <sidewalk> i have one background, with the old gnome desktop with icons and shit
[20:51] <sidewalk> and i have one KDE desktop, inside it's own little window, not fullscreen
[20:51] <stdin-kde4> make sure you choose "KDE 4" < it should be exactly that, not "kde42
[20:51] <nosrednaekim> sidewalk: screen shot?
[20:51] <stdin-kde4> * "kde4"
[20:52] <sFEARs> i get a "no space left on device" error when i try to compile.. anyone know how i can clear up some space.. i have 20 gigs left on the hard drive
[20:52] <sidewalk> i chose kde4
[20:52] <stdin-kde4> then that's not it, it'll be "KDE 4"
[20:52] <stdin-kde4> sFEARs: depends where you're compiling
[20:52] <sFEARs> xconfig & new kernel
[20:52] <emilsedgh> today should be named as 'KDE Day' in history!
[20:52] <stdin-kde4> where, not what
[20:53] <kvonb> in KDE4, is the "Task Manager" widget the thing that lists open windows?
[20:53] <stdin-kde4> yeah
[20:53] <kvonb> hmm, any idea why it doesn't list anything?
[20:53] <stdin-kde4> nope, shows everything here
[20:54] <sidewalk> it's "KDE 4"
[20:54] <kvonb> hmm, odd!
[20:54] <kvonb> lol
[20:54] <truent> hey from ubuntu, if i wanna give kde4 a shot.. in synaptic.. i would normally do kde-desktop but i take it thats not updated for kde4.. although i got a repo added to where all the kde4 stuff is available.. but no big do-it-all package.. how do i install kde4?
[20:54] <sidewalk> i have some kind of desktop in the background, and KDE in it's own little window
[20:54] <truent> sorry gutsy gibbon
[20:54] <nosrednaekim> kvonb: where did you put it?
[20:54] <stdin-kde4> truent: see the topic for instructions
 on the desktop
[20:54] <nosrednaekim> truent: read the channel topic
[20:55] <truent> yeah which one
[20:55] <truent> ;p
[20:55] <nosrednaekim> kvonb: does it show anything at all?
[20:55] <kvonb>  <nosrednaekim>no, just a black "dot"
[20:55] <stdin-kde4> truent: the link with "KDE 4.0!" by it ;)
[20:55] <elida> oi
[20:55] <sidewalk> nobody experienced the problem im experiencing?
[20:56] <nosrednaekim> kvonb: yeah.... I think it needs to be on a panel containment
when I right click on it it says: "Task manager settings"
[20:56] <swirv> Media manager stopped mounting devices! Oh nose! How do I fix it?
 and when I mouse wheel over it, it switches desktops
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> sure thats not the pager?
[20:57] <kvonb> so I have to get the dreaded "black bar" back for that to work? :(
[20:57] <kvonb>  <nosrednaekim>yes, I have a seperate pager one
[20:58] <sFEARs> i get a "no space left on device" error when i try to compile xconfig.. anyone know how i can clear up some space.. i have 20 gigs left on the hard drive
[20:58] <nosrednaekim> kvonb: or again... use a different one, like AWN or pypanel
[20:58] <nosrednaekim> kvonb: ok
[20:58] <kvonb>  <nosrednaekim>yeah, fair enough, although I tried AWN and it never worked for me under KDE :(
[20:59] <nosrednaekim> kvonb: yeah, you have to install the right gtk stuff
[20:59] <sidewalk> okey
[20:59] <HS^> it will take a long time before a kubuntu install cd comes with kde4, right?
[20:59] <sidewalk> how do i move the panel?
[20:59] <HS^> half year
 yes, I think that was my mistake
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> sidewalk: someone will have a tutorial for that in a bit.
[21:00] <wayneward> anyone got kdepim-kde4 working ? or do i need to get source and compile?
[21:00] <HS^> i dont think pim is even ready
[21:01] <luca_b> KDE-PIM is not ready
[21:01] <luca_b> totally broken at the moment
[21:01] <sidewalk> nosredaekim: isn't it easy to do that?
[21:01] <wayneward> its in apt cache search
[21:01] <luca_b> and will be so until 4.1
[21:01] <wayneward> ah source then!
[21:01] <sd132> how do i deal with lost and found items?
[21:01] <kvonb> It is quite nice though, the Kubuntu team did well with the packages, it's way better than any of the live CDs I tried.
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> sidewalk: unfortunately not, you have to edit a text file
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> kvonb: thank stdin-kde4
[21:01] <swirv> KDE is no longer mounting USB drives.  Any way to fix that?
[21:02] <kvonb> ok, thanks stdin-kde4 :)
[21:02] <wayneward> swirv check hall dbus is running
[21:02] <flamesage> So yeah...
[21:02] <flamesage> Tried KDE 4.0
[21:02] <flamesage> It's not ready for me yet =P
[21:02] <HS^> flamesage why?
[21:03] <flamesage> Because..
[21:03] <flamesage> No Network Manager, No Grahphical Driver Manager..
[21:03] <HS^> ok
[21:03] <swirv> wayneward, what is the quickest way to check that dbus is running?
[21:03] <flamesage> I could set it up but..
I have to run network manager manually, but it does work
[21:04] <kvonb> ...just need to get it to autostart!
[21:04] <Dr_willis_> You know - its amazing when you jump around from one pc to another during the day.. you really CAN tell the differance in quality in  keyboards and mice.
[21:04] <wayneward> sudo /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon stop
[21:04] <wayneward> and then start
[21:04] <flamesage> !flash konqueror
[21:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash konqueror - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:05] <flamesage> How do I get flash working in Konqueror on Kubuntu 7.10 (64bit)
[21:05] <wayneward> try staus on the end instard
[21:05] <wayneward> instead sorry
[21:05] <ardchoille> !flash | flamesage
[21:05] <ubotu> flamesage: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[21:05] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[21:05] <nosrednaekim> flamesage: rather broken ATM unfortunately
[21:05] <wayneward> status
[21:05] <wayneward> sorry eating a curry!!
[21:05] <flamesage> Right i know it's currently broken but..
[21:05] <flamesage> I tried using the fix that ubotu told me..
[21:05] <flamesage> But it didn't work :(
[21:06] <flamesage> Do I need to copy something to a konqueror directory?
[21:07] <luca_b> flamesage: no, there is a problem with flash using XEmbed
[21:07] <flamesage> Ack..
[21:07] <flamesage> So I should just use Firefox?
[21:07] <luca_b> flamesage: and the KTHML dev said he can't use the same tool he used before to implement flash support
[21:08] <Gidean> I apologize if this is not the channel for this question (kindly refer me?) but, what is the difference between ssh and samba? they're both networking protocols right?
[21:08] <Dr_willis_> Ok.. is it just me.. or is the new kde 4 change wallpaper thing.. a bit... err.. useless? :)
[21:08] <luca_b> the new KMPlayer has a great plugin architecture so he hopes to reuse parts of it for flash
[21:08] <flamesage> So I should be using firefox?
[21:08] <luca_b> flamesage: ATM yes
[21:09] <cox377>  does anyone here use a pdf editor?
[21:09] <Freddy2> pdfedit?
[21:09] <cox377> yeh
[21:09] <jussi01> !info pdfedit
[21:09] <ubotu> pdfedit: Editor for manipulating PDF documents. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-1 (gutsy), package size 2776 kB, installed size 7532 kB
[21:09] <Freddy2> i've played with it a few times
[21:09] <cox377> I'm finding it very slow, it seems to take longer and longer to make changes the more u use it
[21:09] <flamesage> Whats the difference between Kate and Kwrite?
[21:10] <Freddy2> kate is an envelop for kwrite
[21:10] <luca_b> flamesage: Kate is more dev-oriented
[21:10] <DrVince> Hello
[21:10] <luca_b> the engine they use (katepart) is the same
[21:10] <sidewalk> seriously, how do i change the resolution of my KDE Desktop?
[21:10] <sidewalk> KDE appears in it's own little window when i start X
[21:10] <sidewalk> or login to my session
[21:11] <frinuxfr> je m'attendais à mieux pour kde4
[21:11] <hsn_> !nvidia
[21:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[21:12]  * genii wanders back in and sips his coffee
[21:12] <genii> Freddy2: Work took me away for a while but got that pastebin if you like
[21:12] <genii> Freddy2: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51580/
[21:12] <Freddy2> fine, thx :)
[21:13] <DrVince> How do I make the login run Compiz-fusion/Emerald by default?
[21:13] <Freddy2> genii: just another question: as you have said you can define a pair of partitions (assuming 2 disks, for example having half size of each one) for the raid, isnt it?
[21:14] <abcd_> Hello, how much time does it take to upgrade to kde4 from kde3 ?
[21:14] <Freddy2> so you could create the new /boot partition also in one of them (outside raid), and even leave some extra free unpartitioned space
[21:14] <hsn_> how can i check if opengl accel is working?
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> hsn_: glinfo
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> *glxinfo
[21:15] <abcd_> ... or how much data must be downloaded?
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> abcd_: about 200MB I think
[21:16] <Tu13es> how do I install KDE 4 alongside Gnome?
[21:16] <genii> Freddy2: Yes, I've used the method described in the paste for instance to have sda1 as /boot with sdb1 as backup of that then sda2 and sdb2 as raid1 setup
[21:16] <Freddy2> oh, i see.. this appears at pastebin :D
[21:16] <abcd_> nosrednaekim: thanks
[21:16] <nosrednaekim> Tu13es: read the topic
[21:16] <Tu13es> I did sudo apt-get install kde but I can't log into KDE, not sure if I messed something up
[21:16] <hsn_> nice, nvidia is working. Do we have any FPS in Ubuntu?
[21:16] <DrVince> hsn, glxgears
[21:17] <DrVince> hsn, in glxinfo, look for Direct Rendering
[21:18] <sidewalk> seriously - this KDE thing isn't quite good
[21:18] <hydrogen> okay
[21:18] <hydrogen> kde3.5 hasn't magically disappeared off your system
[21:18] <sidewalk> i followed these instructions (http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php) and they don't work
[21:19] <sidewalk> I get KDE inside a small window, which lies "on top" of my desktop
[21:19] <sidewalk> qierd
[21:19] <sidewalk> wierd
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> hsn_: Open arena...
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> sidewalk: using Xephyr?
[21:19] <Dr_willis_> sidewalk,  you are refering to kde3/4/?
[21:19] <sidewalk> i don't think its Xephyr, im using normal X
[21:19] <benluo> hi
[21:20] <Dr_willis_> The way i read those docs.. one of the commands spawned a window with kde4 in it - for testing
[21:20] <flamesage> *sighs*
[21:20] <flamesage> The servers are so slow =P
[21:20] <nosrednaekim> sidewalk: but kde4 withing a window sounds like Xephyr
[21:20] <benluo> any one in kde4?
[21:20] <nosrednaekim> benluo: yup
[21:20] <flamesage> I was..
[21:20] <flamesage> I needed wireless and sound..
[21:20] <benluo> i can not login to via kdm4
[21:20] <sidewalk> nosrednaekim: then ill remove Xephyr
[21:20] <flamesage> None of those were in KDE 4 :(
[21:20] <Dr_willis_> benluo,  its the Faq of the day.. I just LEFT kde4.. it had.. issues. :)
[21:20] <flamesage> It has issues :P
[21:20] <nosrednaekim> benluo: yeah,use kdm3
[21:20] <flamesage> But of course it's KDE 4.0
[21:20] <flamesage> Not KDE 4.9
[21:20] <flamesage> :)
[21:20] <Chousuke> :P
[21:20] <benluo> haha
[21:21] <benluo> got it
[21:21] <flamesage> I wish we had KDE 4.9 =P
[21:21] <benluo> how can i do it?
[21:21]  * Dr_willis_ waits for Service Pack 1 for KDE 4
[21:21] <benluo> apt-get remove kdm4?
[21:21] <flamesage> it's not a service pack..
[21:21] <Chousuke> 4.0 should not have issues that make it unusable :/
[21:21] <nosrednaekim> benluo: run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm"
[21:21] <flamesage> It's KDE 4.1
[21:21] <flamesage> >_>
[21:21] <nosrednaekim> and select kdm
[21:21] <flamesage> It's not unuseable.
[21:21] <flamesage> It's just not useable.  :P
[21:21] <benluo> Dr_willis_: use windows term
[21:21] <benluo> :)
[21:21] <Chousuke> flamesage: same thing :P
[21:21] <flamesage> It takes 10 minutes to install firefox T_T
[21:21] <flamesage> Stupid slow server.
[21:21] <benluo> where is kmail4?
[21:21] <flamesage> Not really..
[21:21] <Dr_willis_> I found it... sluggish .. oddly enough.
[21:22] <Freddy2> genii: Add sdb1 sdc1 sdd1 to new raid device of md0 for instance and make it / <- can you define a raid with those 3 partitions at the installer? is the raid mounted (on /target or /wherever) automatically after it?
[21:22] <flamesage> It was fast enough for me.
[21:22] <nosrednaekim> benluo: its not finished yet.
[21:22] <flamesage> It just didn't have a network manager, sound, etc.
[21:22] <wayneward> what package supplied kcontrol for kde 4
[21:22] <benluo> :(
[21:22] <flamesage> Just wait for KDE 4.1
[21:22] <nosrednaekim> wayneward: systemsettings-kde4
[21:22] <flamesage> or 4.0.1
[21:22] <ardchoille> wayneward: kcontrol is gone in kde4
[21:22] <wayneward> systemsettings aint enough!
[21:22] <wayneward> oh
[21:22] <jcsgkfyiji> are there kubuntu.deb packages for kde4 yet? Or do we need to build form source?
[21:22] <wayneward> so what replaces it
[21:22] <hydrogen> systemsettings
[21:22] <ardchoille> wayneward: systemsettings :)
[21:22] <nosrednaekim> systemsettings4
[21:23] <wayneward> cheers ill test..
[21:23] <nosrednaekim> jcsgkfyiji: read the topic
[21:23] <wayneward> in systemsettings-kde4 you cant configure fonts etc
[21:23] <wayneward> ?
[21:23] <luca_b> wayneward: yes you can configure them
[21:24] <genii> Freddy2: In the partition editor if it sees some partitions that are type fd (raid auto) it gives you option of defining raid devices starting with md0
[21:24] <wayneward> were at
[21:24] <luca_b> wayneward: hold on
[21:24] <hydrogen> appearance->fonts
[21:24] <wayneward> found it
[21:24] <nosrednaekim> wayneward: appearance
[21:24] <wayneward> apperance
[21:24] <hydrogen> it took me all of two seconds to find it
[21:24] <nosrednaekim> <_<
[21:24] <wayneward> ill pick this up
[21:24] <luca_b> ok I was beaten 8P but I wasn't in KDE 4
[21:24] <genii> Freddy2: Also yes, it mounts md0 into /target
[21:24] <wayneward> so what about kdepim no go with version 4
[21:24] <ardchoille> wayneward: kcmshell fonts
[21:24] <wayneward> kontact 4.0?
[21:24] <luca_b> wayneward: there isn't enough manpower
[21:25] <wayneward> ah i see
[21:25] <nosrednaekim> wayneward: use kde3pim
[21:25] <Kubuntu_> Hi, it-s me again, under a different nick (only quit the _ to it and you'll see) having doubts again but this time about the installation i made, i installed first Ubuntu and then installed Kubuntu-desktop package, which installed KDE and then i erase Gnome and stay with KDE. So the doubt is, installing Kubuntu-desktop package from Gnome (With all the KDE basic packages) is equal to install Kubuntu?
[21:25] <wayneward> yes i will need to conect to my kolab
[21:25] <sidewalk> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooookey
[21:25] <wayneward> fonts look nice in konversation but in konqueror they look bloody awful?!
[21:25] <nosrednaekim> Kubuntu_: same exact thing
[21:25] <sidewalk> now i have a desktop within a desktop still, and Xephyr is removed
[21:25] <sidewalk> so someone, please help me
[21:25] <genii> Freddy2: I am here another 20 mins or so, then back after about 1 1/2 hours from home and not from work if you need assistance tackling this later
[21:26] <nosrednaekim> sidewalk: could you make a screenshot?
[21:26] <wayneward> any one else have crap fonts
[21:26] <sidewalk> nosrednaekim: sure
[21:26] <ardchoille> wayneward: kcmshell khtml_fonts
[21:26] <Freddy2> genii: right now that's enough.. thx
[21:27] <genii> Freddy2: You're welcome
[21:27] <hydrogen> wayneward: probably want kcmshell4
[21:27] <Freddy2> genii: hmmm.. it seems you need to install some extra stuff manually (for initram), so.. you need to have some connection working, right?
[21:27] <sidewalk> nosrednaekim: how do i do a screenshot?
[21:27] <ardchoille> hydrogen: Ah, thank you for that :)
[21:27] <Kubuntu_> nosrednaekim: Without any difference then? So it's all okay, and thanks for answer me
[21:27] <Dr_willis_> sidewalk,  so how are you starting kde4?
[21:28] <nosrednaekim> Kubuntu_: its the same thing, just select kdm as the login manager
[21:28] <sidewalk> Dr_willis_: from gnome session manager
[21:28] <genii> Freddy2: Yes. Thats why all the stuff to do with copying over a viable network setup to the chroot environment
[21:28] <sidewalk> i just login
[21:28] <Dr_willis_> sidewalk,  odd.. im using kdm here, and it started kde4 just fine.
[21:28] <nosrednaekim> sidewalk: in gnome? I don't know. try printscreen
you have to run ksnapshot manually
[21:28] <Dr_willis_> is it a little bitty window? or just a white border you are noticeing?
[21:28] <Freddy2> genii: but, when and how is this connection configured? at the installer or manually after?
[21:28] <sidewalk> nosrednaekim: im not using gnome, im using KDE
[21:29] <nosrednaekim> sidewalk: then run "ksnapshot"
[21:29] <nosrednaekim> sidewalk: kde3?
[21:29] <sidewalk> nos: no, 4
[21:29] <sidewalk> nos: should i change to kdm instead of gdm?
[21:29] <wayneward> ony one else got nasty fonts on certain parts - like on text on border of windows
[21:30] <wayneward> any way to smooth of
[21:30] <genii> Freddy2: The instructions assume the machine which you are booting into the livecd is connected to the internet. So it copies over that info to the /target which then is viable when you chroot there to install things (initramfs-tools in this case)
[21:30] <wayneward> they looked jagged
[21:30] <DrVince> How do I set so that at bootup it doesn't load kdm?
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> wayneward: probably need to change the font
[21:30] <wayneward> okeee
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> DrVince: what do you want it to load?
[21:30] <DrVince> nosrednaekim: the prompt would be fine
[21:31] <Freddy2> genii: i mean, i have a network card working behind an adsl router, so.. should i configure this card (and all the required stuff) at the livecd to get this working, isnt it?
[21:31] <nosrednaekim> DrVince: hm, remove kdm from the init schedule
[21:31] <kvonb> seeyas :)
[21:32] <nosrednaekim> see ya kvonb
[21:32] <kunisch> anyone know if Intel Turbo Memory is gonna be supportet anytime soon ?
[21:32] <DrVince> nosrednaekim: rm /etc/rc0.d/K01kdm ?
[21:32] <genii> Freddy2: work needed me, sorry for lag
[21:33] <Freddy2> np, thx
[21:33] <nosrednaekim> DrVince: not sure really, I think it was something to do with "update-db remove service"
[21:33] <genii> Freddy2: if the router is such that it has dhcp to the nic and auto-assigns gateway, nameservers etc then all is fine.
[21:34] <genii> Freddy2: If you need to always manually set static ip or you do pppoe login or so then yes set it up first on the livecd
[21:34] <Freddy2> that's what i was expecting.. ok
[21:37]  * Kubuntu_ Wonders if there's someone with KDM resolution problems because he knows what to do
[21:39] <Freddy2> genii: 8 mb should be enough for /boot? and.. better ext3?
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> Freddy2: better leave more than that...
[21:40]  * Kubuntu_ says that you have to editthe /etc/X11/xorg.conf and delete all the resolutions that are bigger than yours
[21:41] <nosrednaekim> Kubuntu_: great... write a wiki page. or blog about it
[21:41] <nosrednaekim> Kubuntu_: thats a common problem
[21:41] <Freddy2> nosrednaekim: my current /boot is 6.2 mb.. but i can use 20 o 30 megs if needed, of course.. anyway, ext3 should be fine?
[21:41] <luca_b> oh, another thing I remember for whoever uses KDE 4, compositing and NVIDIA
[21:41] <nosrednaekim> not sure what /boot is supposed to be, I guess ext3
[21:42] <Dr_willis_> ext3 is good for /boot
[21:42] <luca_b> if you put export KWIN_NVIDIA_HACK=1 in your .profile or equivalent you may get a performance boost, at the price of (possibly) some artifacts
[21:42] <Freddy2> ok
[21:42] <nosrednaekim> luca_b: cool :)
[21:42] <LeAstrale> luca_b: i hve only tried it Vbox
[21:43] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: though with 169.07 you have a huge performance boost due to fixes in ARGB visuals
[21:45] <jords> How do i get more plasmoids? I'd love a rss reader one...
[21:45] <luca_b> jords: some are in extragear (extragear-plasma package)
[21:46] <moooo> hello, how can i install kde4 with kubuntu 7.1? :) i find only the testing version of kde4, and this packages dont work ;(
[21:46] <luca_b> most of them reside in playground branch of SVN and aren't yet ready for public consumption
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> moooo: read the topic
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> BRB! kde4.0 awaits!
[21:47] <moooo> nosrednaekim, iam sorry .. thanks ;)
[21:50] <devinus> will there be a kde4 amd64 remaster?
[21:50] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: so you are still alive in KDE4, which is a good thing
[21:50] <nosrednaekim> luca_b: its still RC2... must not have installed something, though some of the icons are different o something happened
[21:51] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: an easy way is to recheck the packages installed
[21:51] <luca_b> with their version
[21:51] <nosrednaekim> luca_b: yep... did so... seems not everything was upgraded, doing so now
[21:52] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: I've been using Xephyr for ages, tomorrow I?ll test in full session
[21:52] <nosrednaekim> i've been using full session for ages
[21:53] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: prior to this i recompiled SVN weekly
[21:53] <nosrednaekim> ok...hope that did it... BRB
[21:53] <nosrednaekim> I was using RC2 packages
[21:54] <LeeJunFan> AFIAC KDE4.0 is still alpha.
[21:54] <luca_b> LeeJunFan: it depends on what you expect out of it
[21:54] <LeeJunFan> luca_b: I expect a final release to work.
[21:55] <luca_b> LeeJunFan: it is finished, but it will eat your children
[21:55] <LeeJunFan> not crash and have it's features in place.
[21:55] <articpenguin3800> is koffice kde4 metapackage a port of koffice 1 to kde 4
[21:55] <hydrogen> LeeJunFan: it works fine here
[21:55] <hsn_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51585/ how can i fix flash plugin?
[21:55] <hydrogen> guess its a final release for me and an alpha for you
[21:55] <luca_b> LeeJunFan: for plasma related questions, http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/FAQ
[21:55] <hydrogen> must be geopositional coding
[21:55] <nosrednaekim> yeah!
[21:55] <luca_b> includes "about missing features"
[21:55] <luca_b> in plasma that is
[21:55] <hydrogen> they must not like the town you live in
[21:56] <hydrogen> but, you still have hope!
[21:56] <LeeJunFan> I'd prefer a desktop I can configure too.
[21:56] <hydrogen> if you move quickly, you can still keep kde3.5 installed!
[21:56] <hydrogen> before they come up with code to delete it from your system
[21:56] <genii> Freddy2: Sorry, boss keeps wanting me over here near end of workday. As for /boot size, I generally use something like 16-32Mb and ext3, yes
[21:57] <Freddy2> genii: Instead return to Konsole and set up the initramfs to rebuild on first boot with kernel raid modules enabled. <- all this is done with the next steps, right?
[21:57] <sd132> how do you run xephyr?
[21:58] <genii> Freddy2: Yes, thats where the livecd network settings are copied over to ensure chroot apt-get is successful to install the package initramfs-tools
[21:59] <Freddy2> well, i think that's all.. thank you very much for your time :)
[21:59] <genii> Freddy2: You're welcome. If any issues or questions, i will be back online later from home, as stated earlier
[22:00] <Freddy2> ok, np
[22:00] <genii> Need to leave, bye all
[22:01] <nosrednaekim> wow... Kopete crashed kde4
[22:01] <nosrednaekim> video card just went off
[22:02] <wsjunior> which plasmoid allows to put an image at the desktop? i saw it in many screenshots..
[22:03] <BrightEyes`> hi.how can i install kde 4 on my ubuntu?
[22:03] <nosrednaekim> BrightEyes`: read the topic
[22:03] <Odd-rationale> Can you install kubuntu with the 4.0 remastered kubuntu livecd?
[22:03] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: I believe you can...
[22:03] <wsjunior> is there any package that provides more plasmoids?
[22:03] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: OK Thanks! Is there a torrent?
[22:04] <wsjunior> more widgets to put on the desktop
[22:04] <nosrednaekim> wsjunior: extragear-plasma
[22:04] <sd132> nosrednaekim: kopete works fine here
[22:04] <wsjunior> thanks
[22:04] <LeeJunFan> does kde4 still install alongside kde3? because when I try to remove the packages mentioned in the instructions it wants to remove most of kde3.
[22:04] <LeeJunFan> including kdm, which kde4-base doesn't re-install.
[22:04] <LeeJunFan> argh
[22:04] <DrakeJustice_> BrightEyes`: sudo apt-get install kde4[tab] (when you press tab it will list a bunch of packages type them out
[22:04] <nosrednaekim> LeeJunFan: don't remove kdelibs4
[22:05] <nosrednaekim> DrakeJustice_: no it wont...
[22:05] <BrightEyes`> DrakeJustice_: what do you mean "type them out" ?
[22:05] <wsjunior> nosrednaekim: exactly what i was looking for. thanks.
[22:05] <DrakeJustice_> nosrednaekim: huh? maybe i have an odd repo somwhere
[22:05] <DrakeJustice_> BrightEyes`: google it man...
[22:05] <DrakeJustice_> or hang on a sec ill find you a link
[22:06] <nosrednaekim> DrakeJustice_: no, you can't tab complete that...
[22:06] <LeeJunFan> owell, logout/login time. Probably have to re-install a bunch of crap - hehe.
[22:06] <hagabaka> depends on your shell
[22:06] <hagabaka> if you use bash maybe you need bash-completions
[22:06] <white_eagle> I have problems enabling desktop effects in KDE 4, when I click on the box it checks and I am asked for confirmation, but nothing changes and I don't get the desktop effects
[22:06] <hagabaka> if you use zsh it completes them out of box for me
[22:07] <DrakeJustice_> nosrednaekim: oh oh... i know you can't tab complete them because that causes dependency issues, but i just installed everything that regexp listed and it worked for me
[22:07] <DrakeJustice_> -dev and all
[22:08] <white_eagle> please help
[22:08] <nosrednaekim> DrakeJustice_: yeah but i'm saying that apt-get doesn't do tab auto completion
[22:08] <nosrednaekim> yeah thats probably it hagabaka
[22:09] <XinFei> yo guys im running ubuntu 7.10 i cant burn cds
[22:09] <XinFei> can i do it on kubuntu
[22:09] <XinFei> i mean like gnomebaker and brasero did it on ver 6.10
[22:09] <XinFei> but not 7.10
[22:09] <articpenguin3800> xinfei: kubuntu is ubuntu
[22:09] <white_eagle> kubuntu is ubuntu with kde
[22:10] <articpenguin3800> try K3B
[22:10] <XinFei> k3b?
[22:10] <white_eagle> yeah
[22:10] <swirv> XinFei use k3b it is the best cd burning prog
[22:10] <white_eagle> k3b
[22:10] <jussi01> !info k3b
[22:10] <ubotu> k3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.3-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 4916 kB, installed size 9436 kB
[22:10] <XinFei> lol ok
[22:10] <XinFei> can i run it on ubuntu or just kubuntu (puer linux newb)
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> white_eagle: whats wrong?
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> XinFei: either
[22:10] <white_eagle> I have problems enabling desktop effects in KDE 4, when I click on the box it checks and I am asked for confirmation, but nothing changes and I don't get the desktop effects
[22:10] <hagabaka> are there going to be kde4 packages in the gutsy official repository?
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> hagabaka: no
[22:11] <articpenguin3800> hagabaka: you have to use ppa
[22:11] <luca_b> I think they'll hit backports
[22:11] <luca_b> though
[22:11] <XinFei> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[22:11] <XinFei> acorn@confusedCPU:~$
[22:11] <XinFei> ???
[22:11] <hagabaka> oh
[22:11] <articpenguin3800> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[22:11] <swirv> Has anyone had problems with KDE not mounting USB drives?
[22:11] <articpenguin3800> go there
[22:12] <hagabaka> but ppa also has unofficial kde3 packages
[22:12] <white_eagle> please see above, and help if you know :((
[22:12] <luca_b> hagabaka: more than unofficial, they swap some files around to avoid conflicts
[22:12] <hagabaka> so i update while keeping kde3 packages official
[22:12] <hagabaka> hmm
[22:12] <Odd-rationale> So is installing compiz-fusion recommended on KDE 4.0? Will it interfere with Kwin?
[22:12] <hagabaka> so i have to use those?
[22:13] <luca_b> hagabaka: probably but I'd suggest you to wait till some packager is online
[22:13] <hagabaka> well compiz would replace kwin wouldn't it?
[22:13] <luca_b> Odd-rationale: no, it won't interfere
[22:13] <white_eagle> in fact Kwin doesn't run in KDE, and compiz runs fine in GNOME
[22:13] <white_eagle> and I can't get Kwin to run
[22:13] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: compiz will work with kde4
[22:13] <Odd-rationale> luca_b: So you can have both the kde desktop effects and the cube?
[22:13] <luca_b> Odd-rationale: no
[22:13] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: no, one or the other
[22:14] <luca_b> Odd-rationale: only one window manager at a time
[22:14] <Odd-rationale> luca_b, nosrednaekim: OK thanks!
[22:14] <white_eagle> I can't get kwin to work, why is that? Compiz runs fine in gnome, and I have the restricted drivers
[22:14] <luca_b> funny how I help people with KDE 4 questions without even being it in
[22:14] <Fleck> hey i installed kde4-core - how about other kde apps? like kde4 games? how can i install everything for kde4 ?
[22:14] <Fleck> luca_b :))
[22:14] <hydrogen> sudo apt-get install everything
[22:15] <nosrednaekim> Fleck: just search for "kde4" in the name of the packages in adept and install anything that looks good
[22:15] <hagabaka> D:
[22:15] <white_eagle> ah why noone wants to help :(
[22:15] <Fleck> nosrednaekim ok thanks :))
[22:15] <Odd-rationale> So you would you recommend not using compiz?
[22:15] <nosrednaekim> white_eagle: did you try swtiching to Xrender instead of openGl
[22:15] <white_eagle> yeah
[22:15] <white_eagle> same
[22:16] <hagabaka> Odd-rationale: use it if you prefer
[22:16] <white_eagle> bye then :(
[22:17] <hagabaka> intense!
[22:17] <Odd-rationale> This might be OT, but do you know that status of compiz and kubuntu hardy? Will the installation be somewhat like Ubuntu's (gnome)?
[22:17] <Odd-rationale> *intergration
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: yeah... i'm the one working on that :)
[22:18] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: oh, you're a Kubuntu contributor?
[22:18] <LjL> omg
[22:18] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: Oh, really. Wow! :)
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> oh.. no,not the integration
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> yep
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> this is my first project.
[22:18] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: What are your goals with this project?
[22:19] <nosrednaekim> it simply install compiz with one click and has three levels of effects to choose from. it also makes compiz the defult WM (when you want it to be)
[22:19] <flamesage> This really sucks.
[22:19] <flamesage> The servers are so slow :P
[22:20] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: Sounds great!
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> flamesage: use columbia...
[22:20] <XinFei> yo umm synpatic does not work
[22:20] <XinFei> i.e. i launch it.. search for something
[22:20] <XinFei> and it freezes
[22:20] <flamesage> Is there a way to use a mirror
[22:20] <XinFei> and if i sudo apt it says it cant find it
[22:20] <flamesage> I mean with use updating
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> flamesage: yes
[22:21] <nosrednaekim> flamesage: there is a repository configurator in adept_manager
[22:21] <Schuenemann> is there a HOWTO for compiling the kernel? Featuring greater performance, if possible
[22:21] <cinemagoo> does anyone else have problems deleting big files in konqueror
[22:22] <XinFei> any ideas
[22:22] <luca_b> Mandatory Kubuntu version+1: does anyone know if adept will get a facelift?
[22:22] <cinemagoo> trying to delete a 700 mb avi file off of a 2gb usb drive
[22:22] <luca_b> I forgot "mandatory.... question"
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> luca_b: yes... it certainly is.as well as being ported to kde4
[22:23] <cinemagoo> does anyone else have problems deleting big files in konqueror?
[22:23] <XinFei> yo cine.. when u delete it
[22:23] <Dr_willis_> cinemagoo,  be sure its not getting moved to the .trash directory on that device
[22:23] <XinFei> unmount it before u disconnect'
[22:24] <Dr_willis_> always unmount befor removing the dongle. :)
[22:24] <kristjan_> nosrednaekim: then will kdesudo adapt user theme finally? (fonts size, style, etc)
[22:24] <cinemagoo> how do you make sure doesnt go to trash
[22:24] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: that's nice to know
[22:24] <Dr_willis_> cinemagoo,  use shift-delete i think is oneway
[22:24] <hola> some knows where is the file that tells to kubuntu to start compiz instead classical windows?
[22:24] <Dr_willis_> there may be rightclick -> delete  also.
[22:25] <XinFei> right click move to trash
[22:25] <XinFei> lolz
[22:25] <jessie_> ok, i'm using kde4, and i want to make it so that my task manager only shows windows from the current desktop. how do i do this?
[22:25] <luca_b> jessie_:  ATM you just can't
[22:25] <cinemagoo> thanks thats a lifesaver ive had problems w that forever
[22:25] <nosrednaekim> kristjan_: thats a different problem
[22:25] <jessie_> luca_b: when will one be able to
[22:26] <cinemagoo> XinFei: how do i unmount it?
[22:26] <luca_b> jessie_: unsure, either with 4.0.x or 4.1
[22:26] <mschiff> how can I create a directory with dolphin or konqueror in kde4?
[22:26] <XinFei> right click the location
[22:27] <XinFei> int the file browser
[22:27] <jessie_> ok, thats good.. thats about the only complaint i have about it right now. and what about icon things on the bar thing at the bottom?
[22:27] <XinFei> click UNMOUNT
[22:27] <XinFei> or unmount volume
[22:27] <jerome_> q. what is the package name which tamper with the bash autocompletion ?
[22:27] <clees> hi
[22:27] <Kubut> I'm about to download Kubuntu, what should i dowload, the DVD or the liveCD? It think that the live cd is better... And... I think the dvd difference is that it have other programs, right? The system doesn't change.....right?
[22:28] <sylvain_> Hi all
[22:28] <Schuenemann> Kubut, if you have internet, livecd
[22:28] <Schuenemann> faster than dial up
[22:28] <aib> libSoQt is linked against Qt-3.3 in Kubuntu. If I build a copy of the SoQt package that is linked against Qt-4.3.3 (already included in Heron), how would I go about getting it included in official repositories?
[22:28] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> hi i just installed kde 4 following the instrutions of kubuntu.org but when i choose kde 4 in kdm i log in, i see a cute new splashcreen and then i got a black windows a mouse cursor and it gets back to kdm. im now at kde 3.5.8 and i can run konqueror kde 4 menu entry. what can i do?
[22:28] <cinemagoo> XinFei: would that be the same as right click and "safely remove"?
[22:28] <XinFei> no idea
[22:28] <sylvain_> does someone knows how I can ask to "Konversation" to advertise me when an new message was written in a chan ?
[22:28] <XinFei> im going through the ubuntu
[22:28] <XinFei> im not a kubuntu user ;)
[22:29] <XinFei> prolly
[22:29] <Kubut> Schuenemann: Yeah, long live to LiveCD!
[22:29] <angasule> !mp3
[22:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[22:29] <Kubut> And when will come another version of Kubuntu?
[22:29] <jussi01> sylvain_: its under the settings -> configure konversation
[22:29] <Kubut> !kubuntu
[22:29] <Kubut> !hardy
[22:29] <Kubut> !new
[22:29] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[22:29] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[22:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about new - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:29] <jessie_> ok, thats good.. thats about the only complaint i have about it right now. and what about icon things on the bar thing at the bottom?
[22:29] <cinemagoo> XinFei:  What happens I don't unmount b4 I remove drive?
[22:29] <Kubut> !Update
[22:30] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[22:30] <sylvain_> jussi01: thanks i'm going to try
[22:31] <gauravvijay> i wan to find number of elements in a array, whose name is stored in a variable, and tried the following
[22:31] <gauravvijay> arr=( 2 3 4 );x=arr;echo ${#${x}[@]}
[22:31] <ksal> hi
[22:31] <gauravvijay> but i get a bad substitution error
[22:31] <ksal> i'm going to download kubuntu 8.04 alpha 3 when it will be released
[22:31] <gauravvijay> how can i do that?
[22:31] <ksal> will i be able to keep my system up to date?
[22:32] <jussi01> Does anyone know how to switch tabs in yakuake via the keyboard?
[22:32] <wsjunior> is there any way to make kde3 apps do not appear in kde4 menu and also the opposite?
[22:32] <ksal> wsjunior: just delete them from the menu :)
[22:33] <ksal> i'm going to download kubuntu 8.04 alpha 3 when it will be released will i be able to keep my system up to date?
[22:33] <Pici> ksal: Supposing that they don't release some 'update' that breaks it... yes.
[22:33] <Pici> !final
[22:33] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[22:34] <squidy> jussi01: just use shift + arrow
[22:34] <jussi01> squidy: ahh, thanks :)
[22:34] <ksal> Pici: i just mean if there's a repo for this.
[22:34] <ksal> ok, so thanks
[22:34] <ksal> bye
[22:35] <wsjunior> it seems kopete-kde4 is still using the old icons
[22:35] <jamman> is there a new kopete?
[22:35] <wsjunior> ya
[22:35] <jamman> what version?
[22:35] <wsjunior> just a port to qt4
[22:36] <wsjunior> 0.5
[22:36] <mschiff> is anybody able to create a directory in kde4?
[22:36] <jamman> oh..... hm
[22:36] <jamman> whats the package cause im using the old one
[22:36] <wsjunior> kopte-kde4
[22:36] <wsjunior> kopete-kde4
[22:38] <jamman> thanks
[22:39] <_Angelus_> guys
[22:39] <jamman> and how about suspending/hibernation controll?
[22:39] <BrightEyes`> hello.just installed kde4 and i like it so much except from smth!!! how can i make the kde bar smaller? (with the clock etc)
[22:39] <_Angelus_> somebody knows a link where i can get old versions of flash player?
[22:39] <_Angelus_> its not posible yet BrightEyes`
[22:40] <nosrednaekim> BrightEyes`: you can't
[22:40] <BrightEyes`> but why? in older versions we could
[22:40] <Dr_willis_> _Angelus_,  i was thinking the !flash factoid linked to a discussion that had links to the old ones.
[22:40] <angasule> BrightEyes`: I think you can if you edit configuration files by hand? not sure
[22:40] <nosrednaekim> BrightEyes`: this is a totally new panel, totally new desktop even, some features aren'timplemented yet
[22:41] <BrightEyes`> nosrednaekim: well let me ask you smth else.is kde ever wanted to make its kde bar with java? which programming language is used to make it?
[22:41] <_Angelus_> flash
[22:41] <_Angelus_> !flash
[22:41] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[22:41] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[22:42] <nosrednaekim> BrightEyes`: I believe its written in C++but there are javascript bindings for plasma (the desktop)
[22:42] <mith__> hi all i have just been installed kde 4.0....but my root password doesn't works...any idea about it?
[22:43] <jamman> mith__: i would say, try "sudo passwd <username>"
[22:43] <jamman> oh, wait
[22:43] <angasule> mith__: did you set the root password? because kubuntu doesn't have a root password by default
[22:43] <flamesage> !hello
[22:43] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[22:43] <nosrednaekim> mith__: any apps requiring root priveledge have to manually be done with "kdesudo appname"
[22:43] <jamman> hmm.... boot into single user mode and you could change it... and yes, angasule is correct
[22:44] <tapas> faq kde4? :)
[22:44] <flamesage> Does KDE have a good voice recording software?
[22:44] <gerax> queondas mara
[22:44] <Flare183> !es
[22:44] <tapas> ah, topic :)
[22:44] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[22:44] <mith__> jamman: i will try your idea
[22:44] <flamesage> !voice recording
[22:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about voice recording - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:44] <gerax> soma gam to apply to kde
[22:44] <nosrednaekim> flamesage: krecord
[22:44] <angasule> flamesage: what's the difference between 'recording' and 'voice recording'?
[22:45] <flamesage> Duh why didn't I think of that *smacks head*
[22:45] <gerax> some game to ubunto?
[22:45] <flamesage> ... well
[22:45] <flamesage> Ones specifically for voice
[22:45] <flamesage> the other is for general recording?
[22:45] <tcm_> audacity?
[22:45] <mith__> okay it works
[22:46] <mith__> thanks a lot! :)
[22:46] <jussi01> flamesage: how complicated do you nee?
[22:46] <tcm_> np
[22:46] <jussi01> need*
[22:47] <jussi01> !info ardour | flamesage
[22:47] <ubotu> flamesage: ardour: digital audio workstation (graphical gtk2 interface). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.0.5-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 6275 kB, installed size 22332 kB
[22:47] <tcm_> flamesage: audacity
[22:49] <jamman> so what do you people think of kde4?
[22:50] <jussi01> !ot | jamman
[22:50] <ubotu> jamman: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[22:50] <jamman> oh, right.. haha..... il. go there
[22:50] <jussi01> :)
[22:51] <jamman> haha... theres nobody in there.. go figger
[22:52] <gerax> iḿ here whats up?
[22:52] <gerax> kde4 is great
[22:52] <gerax> http://divasescort.blogspot.com/
[22:53] <gerax> i need to see my hd space? how i can do it?
[22:53] <gerax> what is the command
[22:53] <gerax> ?
[22:53] <leiar> I'm new to Kubuntu - just want to watch a dvd - it fails in kaffeine - try to install w32codecs - but the package isn't found
[22:53] <tcm_> df -h
[22:53] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> i cant run kde 4 choosing the sesssion KDE 4 from kdm, but i can run it starting a new session from the k menu once logged in kde 3.5.8. is this normal?
[22:54] <leiar> what do I do to watch a dvd i Kubuntu?
[22:54] <Dr_willis_> !dvd
[22:54] <SarraHH> !multimedia
[22:54] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[22:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[22:54] <AzAel> w00t installing kde4 now :P
[22:54] <ProblematiK> anybody tried KDE 4 yet? :D
[22:55] <jpatrick> loads
[22:55] <AzAel> trying it now
[22:55] <Flare183> ProblematiK: yeaps
[22:55] <Flare183> yeah
[22:55] <AzAel> tis it sweet?
[22:55] <ProblematiK> Flare183: so what do you think? :o
[22:56] <AzAel> hrmmmz does that mean yukuake will have proper transparency?
[22:56] <Flare183> ProblematiK: sweet! awesome!
[22:56] <ProblematiK> Flare183: :B
[22:56] <ProblematiK> Flare183: I am installing kubuntu atm
[22:57] <ProblematiK> I wonder if theres an auto-update function?
[22:57] <Flare183> ok
[22:57] <hunkennalle> i need help instaling version 7.10
[22:57] <AzAel> hunkennalle: what do you need help with?
[22:58] <nosrednaekim> ProblematiK: yes, there is autoupdate, but not to kde4
[22:58] <ProblematiK> nosrednaekim: oh ;\
[22:58] <hunkennalle> i burned the iso to a cd and when i restart the computer, i would think the instalation would start... but nothing
[22:59] <nosrednaekim> ProblematiK: its not hard to install though
[22:59] <AzAel> hunkennalle: youve obviously set the bios to boot from cd?
[22:59] <hunkennalle> what?
[23:00] <ProblematiK> nosrednaekim: yeah its the first thing I'll do after I intall kubuntu :)
[23:00] <AzAel> hunkennalle: you will have to go into your bios and set the boot order so that it reads from the cd drive first
[23:00] <hunkennalle> how do i get to my bios?
[23:00] <jords> hunkennalle: hold delete just after you turn on computer
[23:01] <jords> hunkennalle: that works for most bioses...
[23:01] <AzAel> hunkennalle: usually press delete straight after boot
[23:01] <hunkennalle> and then where do i change it to run frome cd drive instead?'
[23:01] <secleinteer> i installed kde4 from the ppa, and it's screwed up a ton of things under kde3. will uninstalling the packages undo all changes made?
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> possibly esc as well
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> secleinteer: what did it mess up?
[23:01] <AzAel> hunkennalle: alot of bioses are different you will have to browse around abit
[23:02] <Odd-rationale> hunkennalle: I use f12 right at boot-up to get to boot options. Some computers it is esc
[23:02] <hunkennalle> ok... so i should hold the del button at start
[23:02] <AzAel> hunkennalle: most you can set the boot order under the "boot" section of the bios
[23:02] <secleinteer> nosrednaekim: launching kde apps through sudo from the terminal gives me a cache error or something. also mplayer and kaffeine don't work anymore.
[23:02] <nosrednaekim> secleinteer: thats cause you aren
[23:02] <AzAel> hunkennalle: most will say somewhere on the screen what you have to press
[23:02] <nosrednaekim> t supposed to launch them with sudo anyway ;)
[23:03] <secleinteer> nosrednaekim: well the main problem is mplayer/kaffeine
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> secleinteer: launch them with kdesudo
[23:03] <jords> hunkennalle: first try f12, and hopefully that gives you a menu from which you can select cd-rom. if not, then change your boot order so cd-rom is first and hard disk second
[23:03] <secleinteer> nosrednaekim: i don't use kde apps under sudo often, but anyway, as i said, the real problem is mplayer and kaffine
[23:03] <hunkennalle> it says pres f10 for startup
[23:03] <secleinteer> nosrednaekim: i think some video libs were screwed up
[23:04] <jords> hunkennalle: then press f10
[23:04] <corinth> It seems my media does not mount on startup. Icons should be on the desktop for my media, but they are not. However, after booting, once I go to Storage Media and open one of them, it mounts and then they are all mounted on the desktop. How do I fix this issue?
[23:04] <hunkennalle> ok
[23:04] <secleinteer> nosrednaekim: i knew i shouldn't have installed kde4 :(
[23:04] <hunkennalle> thx alot
[23:04] <AzAel> why would you want to launch mplayer with root prevlages?
[23:04] <adz21c> secleinteer: are you hearing audio but not seeing video?
[23:04] <secleinteer> adz21c: yeah
[23:04] <adz21c> secleinteer: in kaffeine that is
[23:04] <jords> hunkennalle: although that may just be for windows startup options... try f12 first :D
[23:04] <hola> what is "wish" process
[23:04] <secleinteer> adz21c: yeah
[23:04] <adz21c> secleinteer: its the new video libs
[23:04] <secleinteer> adz21c: how can i fix the problem?
[23:04] <adz21c> secleinteer: i reverted and all is good
[23:05] <secleinteer> adz21c: just uninstalled those packages through apt?
[23:05] <jords> hola: programs written in tcl/tck use it, eg amsn
[23:05] <adz21c> secleinteer: yup, was a pain as it took a lot of software with it, but now it works
[23:05] <nosrednaekim> corinth: go into system settings->advanced-> disks and partitions and tell each partition to mount at start
[23:05] <hola> jords: ohhh tnks, it uses a lot of memory
[23:05] <secleinteer> adz21c: do you have the list of packages?
[23:06] <jords> hola: how much? I've found that with the latest updates the kopete msn support works well
[23:06] <adz21c> secleinteer: i used synaptic, i searched the version field for gutsy, i think its any video lib provided by the backport repo
[23:06] <blizzzek> gn8
[23:06] <secleinteer> adz21c: ok, i'm just removing kde4-core and then autoremoving, did that work for you, or did you not try it?
[23:06] <AzAel> secleinteer: im installing now so i might beable to paste bin it for you
[23:06] <secleinteer> AzAel: ok, that would be very helpful D
[23:07] <adz21c> secleinteer: well actually i ended up removing the whole of kde4, gonna try another install, but i am not sure if its kde4 that did it unless kde4 depending on xine 1.1.8 etc
[23:07] <jords> hola: and it's using 18mb of ram for me
[23:07] <adz21c> secleinteer: i think its just the backports repo so i don't think you should need to touch kde4
[23:07] <secleinteer> adz21c: yeah, i have a separate /home partition, so if this doesn't work or other problems start showing up, i will just do a clean install
[23:07] <hola> jords: 40mb
[23:07] <secleinteer> adz21c: well i had backports enabled before and it was fine
[23:08] <adz21c> secleinteer: i guess it was kde4 then, well, guess I'll be finding out soon enough :-), gl
[23:08] <khelll> how shall i write in ntfs drive?
[23:08] <secleinteer> adz21c: i removed the kde4 ppa repo, and i'm updating now
[23:08] <jords> hola: well the 18mb is how much kopete is taking... i don't use amsn anymore so i can't give  normal numbers for that. 40mb aint huge though, look at firefox!
[23:08] <secleinteer> adz21c: hopefully the newer versions will be removed
[23:09] <AzAel> secleinteer: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51598/
[23:09] <secleinteer> AzAel: thanks
[23:09] <AzAel> ok ill be back
[23:09] <AzAel> gonna log an check itout
[23:09] <hola> jords: firefox 43mb
[23:09] <adz21c> secleinteer: i think you will have to actually remove the packages, i ended up removing almost all of kde3 to get rid of kde4 off my system, they intermingled a bit :-P
[23:10] <secleinteer> adz21c: well i'm going to restart x and see if the problem is fixed, if not, i'll do a clean install. i don't want kde4 remnants on my system ;p
[23:11] <Bauldrick> Does anyone know why my amarok refuses to retreive track info from freedb.org or others
[23:12] <alexandre> i'm having this problem too...
[23:12] <Bauldrick> alexandre: amarok?
[23:12] <alexandre> yeah
[23:12] <Bauldrick> amd64?
[23:12] <gnoift> proxy settings?
[23:13] <tcm_> Bauldrick: is the firewall blocking?
[23:13] <alexandre> no, intel 32
[23:13] <Bauldrick> any other app it works
[23:13] <wesley> how can i set snapshot in kde4 to printscreen
[23:13] <secleinteer> adz21c: the video is working now :D
[23:13] <alexandre> but k3b retreive trakcs normally
[23:13] <secleinteer> adz21c: i guess just removing the packages and updating fixed the problem
[23:13] <secleinteer> adz21c: no kde4 for me until it's actually functional :P
[23:14] <Bauldrick> KsCD - Rythmbox - they all retrieve ok
[23:14] <adz21c> secleinteer: yea, i knew it was gonna be a choppy release but, more so than i expected
[23:14] <secleinteer> adz21c: yeah, i'm really disappointed, but as they said, it's not meant to be a final release
[23:14] <secleinteer> adz21c: thanks for your help
[23:14] <almakeloide> :(
[23:14] <adz21c> secleinteer: np
[23:15] <wesley> kde4 is working fine
[23:15] <hola> wesley: i ddn't find the disk maagement in kd4
[23:15] <ProblematiK> is there any way to make KDE look like Mac OS X?
[23:15] <wesley> just do it in you kde3 then wheres the problem
[23:16] <hola> wesley: i ddn't find the disk maagement in kd4
[23:16] <wesley> in kubuntu did kubuntu add it in kde3
[23:16] <AzAel> hahaha yakuake is stuffed in kde4
[23:16] <lemke> ProblematiK: haven'r find anything on google?
[23:17] <ProblematiK> lemke:  just AWN but its for gnome :T
[23:17] <ProblematiK> lemke:  ppl say its buggy on kde
[23:17] <inaety> how can i get flash in kde4-konqueror
[23:17] <kernco> The instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php don't seem to work.  I'm getting unmet dependency errors.
[23:18] <tcm_> kde4 need one another year until it will be a killer DE
[23:18] <khelll> how shall i write in ntfs drive?
[23:18] <lunar-raven> kde4 is already pretty cool if you ask me
[23:18] <LeAstrale> ntfs3g is the answer
[23:18] <AzAel> tcm_: less i rekon
[23:18] <LeAstrale> lunar-raven: yes it is
[23:18] <AzAel> how did ya go hunkennalle?
[23:18] <tcm_> it's not done if you ask me
[23:18] <lemke> ProblematiK: try "Baghira"
[23:19] <hunkennalle> i pressed f10 and got the boot menu up
[23:20] <hunkennalle> i changed the order so the cd/dvd drive booted first.... still nothing
[23:20] <lunar-raven> does anyone know what the easiest way to install the svn version of amarok? i got it compiled but its telling me there are no sound engines =[
[23:21] <AzAel> hunkennalle: did you verify the cd
[23:21] <nosrednaekim> lunar-raven: it doesn't even start?
[23:21] <hunkennalle> what is that?
[23:21] <lunar-raven> i get the splash..but then i get a message saying there is no sound engine found
[23:21] <lunar-raven> and then it closes
[23:21] <kernco> How do I install KDE4?
[23:22] <AzAel> well when burning OS cd's it sometimes help if you burn them at a slow speed as it improves compatability and also you can run a verify to make sure it has burnt properly
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> kernco: read the topic
[23:22] <specialbuddy> how do I get the taskbar working with kde4
[23:22] <hunkennalle> I just downloaded the iso and drag'n'dropped it to the cd
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> specialbuddy: whats wrong with it?
[23:22] <specialbuddy> it's not there
[23:22] <specialbuddy> it's missing
[23:23] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: I don't think that works..
[23:23] <specialbuddy> unless that's the way kde4 is
[23:23] <nosrednaekim> specialbuddy: no..lol, did you have any previous version of kde4 installed?
[23:23] <lunar-raven> that's strange..special
[23:23] <hunkennalle> how should i do it?
[23:23] <specialbuddy> no
[23:23] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: which program are you using?
[23:24] <lunar-raven> specialbuddy: did you try deleting your .kde4 folder? That would probably fix it.
[23:24] <hunkennalle> explorer? i dont know.. just dragd it to the folder that came up when i put the cd in
[23:24] <AzAel> hunkennalle: which burning program do you have?
[23:24] <specialbuddy> um
[23:24] <lunar-raven> it would be in your home directory (if you don't know).
[23:24] <Dr_willis_> look on the burnt cd.. If it has a single .iso file.. You burnt it wrong.
[23:24] <AzAel> hunkennalle: do you have nero or anything like that?
[23:25] <Dr_willis_> There are dozens of free .iso burning tools for windows.
[23:25] <Dr_willis_> I like 'burn at once'
[23:25] <cazevedo> Hi everyone... I have a funny problem with KDE. The desktop displays the contents of / as icons instead of /$HOME/Desktop. This with KDE 3.5.8 on a mainly Gutsy install.
[23:25] <specialbuddy> where is my kde4 folder
[23:25] <hunkennalle> not annything downloaded.. maybe something came with the computer
[23:25] <cazevedo> Anyone ever had this problem ?
[23:26] <lunar-raven> it's a hidden folder..so you could simply type (in whatever file browser you use) /home/[yourusername]/.kde4
[23:26] <hunkennalle> i found a software called "Sonic MyDVD"
[23:26] <lunar-raven> then delete the contents in it and restart kde4
[23:26] <sylvain_> !bsd
[23:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bsd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:26] <sylvain_> !freebsd
[23:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about freebsd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:26] <specialbuddy> well shouldn't I reinstall kde4base
[23:27] <sylvain_> Hi all, I am searching for an IRC canal about BSD (or FreeBSD), but I can't find it. Does anybody knows where I can ?
[23:27] <lunar-raven> you could.. I had the taskbar problem though, and deleted the kde4 folder and it fixed it. Deleting that folder gets rid of any kde4 settings that are set
[23:28] <lunar-raven> probably not needed to reinstall
[23:29] <jxn> kämpft noch jemand ausser mir momentan mit kwallet?
[23:29] <AzAel> hunkennalle: that might work but im not familiar with the program, you can download free programs for windows like "burn it once" or i like "cdburnerxp"
[23:29] <jxn> sorry, wrong channel.
[23:30] <AzAel> jxn: hehehe
[23:30] <hunkennalle> ok... on this program its got "Direct to disk" think thatll work?
[23:30] <AzAel> hunkennalle: no
[23:31] <inaety> has anyone gotten flash correctly working on kde4-konqueror?  i have it installed locally through the plugin adder and from nsplugins.  any ideas
[23:31] <hunkennalle> ok... so i just google burn it once and do that?
[23:31] <AzAel> hunkennalle: your looking for some like "burn disk image"
[23:31] <hunkennalle> ok
[23:32] <kyled185> so do the new kde4 packages automatically add a session in gdm/kdm?
[23:32] <AzAel> hunkennalle: try cdburnxp in google
[23:33] <AzAel> hunkennalle: i mean cdburnerxp
[23:33] <hunkennalle> ok
[23:33] <biovore> !kde4
[23:33] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ and support in #kubuntu
[23:33] <nosredna_ekim> kyled185: yes
[23:33] <kyled185> okidokie thanks
[23:33] <greg-g> no .torrent for the kde4 live cd?
[23:33] <specialbuddy> lunar-raven, how do I delete that directory if it's not empty
[23:34] <hunkennalle> and then i burn the iso onto a disk through that?
[23:34] <adz21c> has anyone got kdm-kde4 to work properly? i only seem to get a console, i end up having to used kdm from kde3
[23:34] <Lars_G> stdin: Are you there?
[23:34] <lunar-raven> are you in the kde4 directory now specialbuddy?
[23:34] <lunar-raven> just highlight the folders in it, and press delete
[23:35] <nosredna_ekim> adz21c: yeah just use the kde3 one
[23:35] <e-uoaphys> hi guys when will gutsy get kde 4.0 released?
[23:35] <AzAel> hunkennalle: back in a moment im off to have a smoke, download and install cdburnxp and look through the menus for a burn image to disk sort of option sel;ect your kubuntu iso and hit burn
[23:35] <e-uoaphys> i am running RC2 but want to get the latest version :/
[23:35] <hunkennalle> thx
[23:35] <Lars_G> e-uoaphys: they already did?
[23:36] <Lars_G> e-uoaphys: check www.kubuntu.com
[23:36] <specialbuddy> lunar-raven, I did delete them but the come back
[23:36] <adz21c> nosredna_ekim: do you know what those kde4 packages in backport are? are they updates to the ppa?
[23:36] <nosredna_ekim> e-uoaphys: its in the PPA repositories right now
[23:36] <e-uoaphys> yea 4.0 is out but i can't find packages for it yet
[23:36] <specialbuddy> they are temp files
[23:36] <e-uoaphys> what does ppa mean?
[23:36] <Lars_G> e-uoaphys: read www.kubuntu.com
[23:36] <lunar-raven> specialbuddy: yeah thats ok. restart kde 4 now
[23:36] <lunar-raven> they will come back
[23:36] <lunar-raven> :)
[23:36] <e-uoaphys> ok thanks lars
[23:36] <nosredna_ekim> adz21c: don't use the backports right now
[23:36] <Odd-rationale> does kde 4.0 require any more resource than the previous?
[23:36] <greg-g> re-asking question: there is no torrent of the kubuntu kde4 livecd?
[23:36] <lunar-raven> odd: no..less from what I know
[23:36] <lunar-raven> odd: it seems pretty lightweight to me
[23:36] <nosredna_ekim> Odd-rationale: less in my case
[23:37] <Odd-rationale> Great! good to know.
[23:37] <adz21c> nosredna_ekim: ok, but what are they do you know? are they kubuntu transitioning kde4 from ppa to backports (but not finished) or what?
[23:37] <Lars_G> Yeah the kde guys tightened the code a little so it should be lighter. afaik
[23:37] <nosredna_ekim> adz21c: precisely... its taking a bit longer to put them in backpots
[23:37] <Lars_G> stdin: Anyhow, thank you sir, for getting 4.0 final packaged so quick. It's all I wanted to say
[23:37]  * Lars_G bows to stdin 
[23:37] <adz21c> nosredna_ekim: fair play
[23:37] <lunar-raven> <3 stdin
[23:37] <e-uoaphys> hey guys, I have gutsy 7.10 Kubuntu installed on clean install, and network manager didn't automatically DHCP for me, found a lot of people complaining on it about on the forums. then went to Ubuntu 7.10 gutsy and its network tray icon works fine and DHCP was enabled fine, and never had a problem. Is there a known issue with the Kubuntu version of gutsy and the network manager icon? and if so, is there a fix for it?
[23:38] <khelll> how to run wmv files
[23:38] <nosredna_ekim> !w32codecs
[23:38] <ubotu> The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[23:38]  * genii sips a coffee
[23:39] <olex> hi, does anbody successfully installed kdepim-kde4?
[23:39] <nosredna_ekim> olex: I was using it previously... but not recently
[23:39] <e-uoaphys> in KDE4, is there a way to enable multiple desktops? The pannel doesn't have 4 virtual desktops default down there like KDE3 did... Thanks
[23:40] <olex> I'm unable to even install it :(
[23:40] <olex> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[23:40] <olex>   kdebase-runtime: Conflicts: kdebase-runtime-bin but 4:3.97.0-1ubuntu5~gutsy1~ppa3 is to be installed.
[23:40] <olex>   kdebase-runtime-bin: Depends: kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 (= 4:3.97.0-1ubuntu5~gutsy1~ppa3) but 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1 is installed.
[23:40] <olex>                        Depends: kdebase-runtime-data (= 4:3.97.0-1ubuntu5~gutsy1~ppa3) but 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1 is installed.
[23:40] <adz21c> e-uoaphys: does it not? its there for me
[23:40] <nosredna_ekim> e-uoaphys: yes, there is... ad the pager applet to the panel
[23:40] <nosredna_ekim> olex: uninstall all previous kde4 packages
[23:40] <e-uoaphys> nosrednaekim: is there a way to make it cube like Compiz?
[23:40] <olex> I just installed kde4-core today
[23:40] <e-uoaphys> or should I just install compiz on top of KWin?
[23:41] <olex> no rc used before
[23:41] <nosredna_ekim> e-uoaphys: yeah, you can replace kwin with compiz
[23:41] <e-uoaphys> olex: do an update
[23:41] <nosredna_ekim> olex: yeah, apt-get update and disable the backports repository
[23:41] <e-uoaphys> nosrednaekim: i read that KWin4 was supposed to support cube using plasma, is this true?
[23:41] <hola> nosredna_ekim: sorry, how is it possible to replace kwin with compiz? Where is the configuration starting file?
[23:41] <mboso> is kde4-core in the ofical repo, or do I have to add the ppa.launchpad one?
[23:42] <olex> nosredna_ekim: thx trying now
[23:42] <eljefe> why would you want to get rid of KWin?  cube isn't worth it, KWin rocks
[23:42] <wesley> cube sucks indeed
[23:42] <nosredna_ekim> e-uoaphys: not yet, but there is the equivalent of the wall plugin
[23:42] <e-uoaphys> well I just want a cube so I can have virtualbox in one facet of the cube and linux on the other
[23:42] <tekteen> nosredna_ekim: edit ~/.profile
[23:42] <nosredna_ekim> mboso: no you need the ppa one
[23:42] <nosredna_ekim> tekteen: eh?
[23:42] <e-uoaphys> eljefe: i used it in ubuntu to get 2 people at work to switch over to ubuntu from windows
[23:43] <hola> nosredna_ekim: sorry, how is it possible to replace kwin with compiz? Where is the configuration starting file?
[23:43] <wesley> the cube is nice but useles
[23:43] <e-uoaphys> once they sawt he cube with virtualbox+XP they were sold on it
[23:43] <tekteen> nosredna_ekim: add    export KDEWM='compiz'    to ~/.profile
[23:43] <nosredna_ekim> hola: just run "compiz --replace"from a run dialog
[23:43] <nosredna_ekim> tekteen: yeah..I know about that ;)
[23:43] <nosredna_ekim> tekteen: I like kwin4
[23:43] <sooki> okay, so i have xubuntu and i want to try out kde4, i can run kde apps but don't actually have kde installed, can i add the repo for kde4 and then do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and be set? or do i need to do that first and remove the libs that aren't compatable and then upgrade the core like http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php says?
[23:43] <hola> nosredna_ekim: yes ok, but is starts however when dke start
[23:44] <tekteen> ok
[23:44] <e-uoaphys> what is xubuntu? xfce windowmanager with GNOME apps in the start menu?
[23:44] <tekteen> so why did you ask how to replace kwin?
[23:44] <nosredna_ekim> hola: ah yeas, then do what tekteen just said
[23:44] <tekteen> ok
[23:44] <sooki> ubuntu with xfce instead of gnome :P
[23:44] <nosredna_ekim> tekteen: I don't think I did
[23:44] <Dragnslcr> sooki- kubuntu-desktop would install KDE3. You'd have to install KDE4 separately afterwards
[23:44] <itsjustme> Hi, I have a sprint HTC touch smart phone and I'd like to use Kandy or a similar program with it.. Can someone help me configure kandy It doesn't see the phone?
[23:44] <tekteen> you were helping someone
[23:44] <specialbuddy> so how do I get the cool effects with kde4
[23:44] <BrightEyes`> hi.how can i export amarok for windows?
[23:44] <AzAel> dont forget to create a script that switches back to kwin if needed....like if you want to run 3d games etc
[23:45] <e-uoaphys> sooki: is xfce pretty sweet or something?
[23:45] <hola> nosredna_ekim: i missed the line
[23:45] <hola> nosredna_ekim: may yu repeat please
[23:45] <e-uoaphys> sooki: what are the default apps for xfce, kde apps or gnome apps?
[23:45] <AzAel> BrightEyes`: amarok is not availiable for windows yet
[23:45] <lunar-raven> specialbuddy: right click your window decoration and go to "configure window behavior". Then go to special effects
[23:45] <kyled185> BrightEyes`: windows support isn't available until version 2 comes out
[23:45] <lunar-raven> err.."Desktop Effects"
[23:45] <nosredna_ekim> hola: : add    export KDEWM='compiz'    to ~/.profile
[23:45] <sooki> i think gnome, e-uoaphys, it's very resource friendly
[23:46] <sooki> i'm not sure, i don't think it comes with much
[23:46] <nosredna_ekim> well, its a pain to build at least.
[23:46] <wesley> windows support why would you need that ?
[23:46] <e-uoaphys> you like GNOME APPS?
[23:46] <lunar-raven> can anyone tell me what directory kde4 is installed into?
[23:46] <sooki> i already had gnome and some kde apps installed so i'm not sure
[23:46] <e-uoaphys> i agree that synaptic is working less buggy than KDE's version of adept
[23:46] <nosredna_ekim> lunar-raven: /usr/lib/kde4
[23:46] <Pensador> hello
[23:46] <e-uoaphys> but what about evolution vs kde email, totally non-comparrison
[23:46] <kyled185> lunar-raven: /usr/lib/kde4
[23:46] <lunar-raven> thanks
[23:46] <AzAel> wesley: because amarok is the best jukebox type player on the planet why should we share it with the less privaledged
[23:47] <e-uoaphys> i suppose if you need an exchange calendar evolution is better
[23:47] <AzAel> shouldnt
[23:47] <hunkennalle> AzAel: I burned the iso with cdburnerxp with the lowest speed... now just restar??
[23:47] <e-uoaphys> why doesn't evolution just make a exchange wrapper so all open source projects can use its exchange connector, rather than making it exclusive to Evolution?
[23:47] <olex> nosredna_ekim: hmm still no go, disabled backports purged kde4-core and reinstalled again, while trying to install kdepim-kde4 got the same errors
[23:47] <tyone> hi guys
[23:47] <AzAel> hunkennalle: did you find the burn image option?
[23:47] <Pensador> Today I installed the packages kde4-runbase and kdebase-kde4 from the official Ubuntu repos, but I still don't have a KDE4 entry in the login manager
[23:47] <hunkennalle> yes
[23:47] <Pensador> What should I do?
[23:47] <e-uoaphys> Pensacola: that happened to me
[23:47] <hunkennalle> already burned it
[23:47] <tyone> any1 here mind helping a n00b wit ha littleproblem ?
[23:48] <e-uoaphys> stdin told me he swears it was supposed to be copied over to the right file
[23:48] <e-uoaphys> but on my system it didn't do it either
[23:48] <nosredna_ekim> olex: oh! well, kde4-pim isn't built yet for 4.0 those are old packages, don'tuse them
[23:48] <e-uoaphys> i had to manually edit the desktops file
[23:48] <AzAel> hunkennalle: are you putting kubuntu on the pc your on now or another one?
[23:48] <olex> nosredna_ekim: oops, thx for the info ;)
[23:48] <nosredna_ekim> Pensador: read the topic, the packages from the officail repositories are very old
[23:48] <nosredna_ekim> tyone: what is the problem?
[23:49] <tyone> installed kubuntu onto my ubuntu. installed wrong VGA driver. now machine boots up into command promt and not login screen anymore
[23:49] <tyone> needto re-install driver everytime i boot
[23:49] <nosredna_ekim> olex: the kde3 pim works fine on KDE3
[23:49] <hola> nosredna_ekim: this allows to start compiz at startup?
[23:49] <e-uoaphys> tyone: sorry man
[23:49] <nosredna_ekim> hola: yup
[23:49] <hunkennalle> same one, different drive... got windows on c: and a cleared d: drive where i was planing on instaling kubutu
[23:49] <e-uoaphys> hola: only if you select KDE from the login screen
[23:49] <nosredna_ekim> tyone: you have an nvidia?
[23:49] <e-uoaphys> if you go to GNOME on the login screen thenyou'sll get gnome
[23:49] <tyone> indeed
[23:49] <olex> nosredna_ekim: then why do I need ked4 :)
[23:49] <tyone> old nvidia
[23:49] <tyone> 420
[23:50] <nosredna_ekim> olex: cause its way cool :)
[23:50] <hola> nosredna_ekim: ok and to have no compiz starts
[23:50] <e-uoaphys> olex: it powns GNOME that is why
[23:50] <olex> nosredna_ekim: just thought it might be something new in kdepim-kde4
[23:50] <nosredna_ekim> tyone: and you need 3d acceleration?
[23:50] <tyone> i need the driver
[23:50] <nosredna_ekim> hola: what?
[23:50] <tyone> i install it
[23:50] <tyone> but it dont seem to save it
[23:50] <nosredna_ekim> olex: not really...
[23:50] <tyone> every time i boot i need to re-install it
[23:50] <e-uoaphys> tyone did you use the restricted drivers control pannel?
[23:50] <specialbuddy> how do I get the effects because I'm not seeing anything
[23:50] <nosredna_ekim> tyone: its probably not doing the correct thing with the kernel driver. how did you install it?
[23:51] <tyone> i have to close x
[23:51] <tyone> so i installed it from what looks like dos for lack of a better word
[23:51] <hunkennalle> AzAel?
[23:51] <nosredna_ekim> specialbuddy: they MAY not work for you. what card do you have?
[23:51] <nosredna_ekim> tyone: ah.. thats the wrong way :)
[23:51] <tyone> how then ?
[23:51] <tyone> i can im you dude ?
[23:51] <specialbuddy> nvidia
[23:51] <hola> nosredna_ekim: when i start kde compiz starts automatically even if no string is place in Autostart directory. I dont understand in which file is wrote that it has to be lunch at start-up
[23:51] <nosredna_ekim> tyone: install them with the restricted-manager.
[23:52] <AzAel> hunkennalle: sorry i was playing with kde 4
[23:52] <nosredna_ekim> hola: ah... well its cause it was started last time you logged in
[23:52] <e-uoaphys> tyone go to control pannel and find the retricted driver manager icon
[23:52] <hunkennalle> read at 00.49
[23:52] <tyone> it says its in use
[23:52] <specialbuddy> do I have to install nvidia drivers again
[23:52] <nosredna_ekim> e-uoaphys: tyone: is under "advanced"
[23:52] <tyone> i know where it is
[23:52] <nosredna_ekim> specialbuddy: does compiz work for you?
[23:52] <tyone> its has a green tick and says in use
[23:52] <AzAel> hunkennalle: ok your going to have some fun with partitioning
[23:52] <LeeJunFan> okay, I tried kde4 (had it working before) but now the session wont' start. It gives me a failsafe type login using kdm4
[23:53] <hunkennalle> how?
[23:53] <tyone> ok ima reboot
[23:53] <specialbuddy> compiz did work a long time ago
[23:53] <tyone> brb
[23:53] <e-uoaphys> specialbuddy: you should only have to do it once unless a new version of the video driver comes out
[23:53] <nosredna_ekim> tyone: hmm ok.
[23:53] <Pensador> In order to install KDE4 in Ubuntu Gutsy, as we speak, do we still need the PPA repos?
[23:53] <tyone> also
[23:53] <tyone> there isa console window open
[23:53] <nosredna_ekim> LeeJunFan: use he kde3 kdm
[23:53] <tyone> if i close it
[23:53] <AzAel> hunkennalle: just be very careful you dont accidentally overwrite your c drive
[23:53] <specialbuddy> well I don't have compiz on this now
[23:53] <tyone> my machine goes back into "dos" mode
[23:53] <nosredna_ekim> Pensador: yes
[23:53] <specialbuddy> what about kwin
[23:53] <Pensador> nosredna_ekim: thanks
[23:53] <tyone> what is dos mode called in linux ?
[23:53] <hunkennalle> how do i partion and what do i partion?
[23:53] <biovore> free dos.. :-P
[23:53] <tyone> no man
[23:54] <tyone> what do u call it ?
[23:54] <AzAel> hunkennalle: read carefully everything in the installer
[23:54] <tyone> dekstop is gui
[23:54] <tyone> console is console
[23:54] <nosredna_ekim> tyone: command line
[23:54] <biovore> you mean cli ?
[23:54] <biovore> bash shell
[23:54] <nosredna_ekim> tyone: or "bash"
[23:54] <tyone> command line
[23:54] <hunkennalle> so i just follow the instalation?
[23:54] <AzAel> i suggest you download virtual box first and give it a few trial runs
[23:54] <tyone> bash is black screen and white text?
[23:54] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: honestly, In MY opinion, it is best to install a brand new (or old used) second hard drive into your system to put linux on
[23:54] <e-uoaphys> that way you don't distrube your windows partition
[23:54] <nosredna_ekim> tyone: yep
[23:54] <biovore> yup.. you type stuff in it.. has a $ or # on the end of the prompt
[23:54] <tyone> cool
[23:54] <tyone> then my PC only boot into bash
[23:54] <e-uoaphys> unless you just don't care about losing your windows partition. then who cares
[23:54] <nosredna_ekim> tyone: bash is the program that you see
[23:54] <tyone> no longer login screen
[23:54] <biovore> console is just a graphical verision of it..
[23:55] <nosredna_ekim> tyone: which isn't cool ;)
[23:55] <tyone> nope
[23:55] <hunkennalle> well ive got an empty harddrive at 90 GB
[23:55] <nosredna_ekim> tyone: why do you need those drivers?
[23:55] <biovore> think of linux more like windows 3.11..  the graphics is just a application the runs on the OS..
[23:55] <specialbuddy> do I need to do something with kwin?
[23:55] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: is it desktop or laptop
[23:55] <hunkennalle> laptop
[23:55] <nosredna_ekim> specialbuddy: no.
[23:55] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: oh ic... well do you want to keep your windows partition intact?
[23:56] <e-uoaphys> or do you want to just wipe the system clean through and start fresh?
[23:56] <nosredna_ekim> specialbuddy: just righ click on the title bar ->configure windo behavior->desktop effects and enable them
[23:56] <AzAel> hunkennalle: if you want to test out kubuntu use a virtual machine like virtualbox it gives you the oportunity to learn about kubuntu without disturbing your current setup
[23:56] <specialbuddy> I did enable them
[23:56] <hunkennalle> what do you mean? if i want to keep windows? yes
[23:56] <andre> how do I open an application as root? (dolphin)
[23:56] <nosredna_ekim> specialbuddy: and.... hit apply?
[23:56] <nosredna_ekim> andre: kdesudo dolphin
[23:56] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: what I did was I wiped my system clean off, got rid of windows, instaled kubuntu, got it up and running, then installed virtualbox and then windows on top of that
[23:56] <tyone> so... machine boots to bach - install video driver - xinit - gnome-session -  ------------ i do that every boot. now when i get to my desktop, i have a console window, if i close it, i go back to bash !!!!!!! WTF~!
[23:56] <hunkennalle> how do i use virtualbox? download and then...
[23:56] <andre> nosredna_ekim: ty
[23:56] <specialbuddy> desktop effects right
[23:57] <e-uoaphys> then i had a fresh installo f windows inside virtualbox, and linux as my primary OS
[23:57] <AzAel> hunkennalle: virtualbox has a few guides on how to use it
[23:57] <hunkennalle> I cant do that do... got to instal it on this drive
[23:57] <hola> nosredna_ekim: when i start kde compiz starts automatically even if no string is place in Autostart directory. I dont understand in which file is wrote that it has to be lunch at start-up
[23:57] <hunkennalle> ok
[23:57] <e-uoaphys> you must be willing to screw up if you accidentally lose all your files, if you want to install linux on the hard drive  and repartition all your stuff
[23:57] <nosredna_ekim> tyone: ah! after installing the graphics driver run the command "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" instead of that other stuff
[23:57] <nosredna_ekim> hola: yeah, I don't know where that is either
[23:57] <cleaton> hi, i installed kde4.0, but it seems like i have messed up some setting. when i restarted the computer and logged in on kde4 i could see the splash and then the mouse, but everything else was black. i've tried completely remove everything in synaptic and reinstall, but still the same thing. is there some config files left that i could remove?
[23:58] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: first things first: Backup ALL of your important files if you have any, cos if you repartition, you could losei t all (you should backup your important stuff anyway)
[23:58] <lunar-raven> cleaton: i'd remove your .kde4 directory which is in your home folder (if you haven't)
[23:58] <hunkennalle> why cant i just instap it on my d drive?
[23:58] <hunkennalle> instal*
[23:58] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: how does your laptop have a c and d? is it all one physical drive?
[23:58] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: thats why im suggesting to hunkenelle that he try to install kubuntu under virtualbox in windows to see how it goes and to learn about the process
[23:59] <nosredna_ekim> AzAel: performace suffers with that though,especially on older hardware
[23:59] <hunkennalle> i dont know if its one or two drives.. how do you check that?
[23:59] <cleaton> lunar-raven, thanks, =) i'll try that
[23:59] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: must be 1 drive with 2 partitions, most laptops do not have dual hard drives
[23:59] <hunkennalle> ok¨
[23:59] <hunkennalle> so whats the problem with that