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NoelJBJust installed Alpha 3 ... anyone else?  Seems that it doesn't recognize my nVidia at all.  Anything anyone wants me to try before I install the drivers manually?02:53
NoelJBThis is a change from Alpha 2.02:53
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pwnguinhey, does xorg.conf still assume wacom?03:43
pwnguinby default?03:43
pwnguinmy only install of hardy happens to have wacom =/03:44
infinitycircuitpwnguin: as far as i know you can just enable wacom manually in /etc/X11/xorg.conf if the autoconfig tool fails to pick you your tablet03:44
pwnguini dont have problems03:45
pwnguinbut someone filed a report about zomg wacom in my xorg03:45
pwnguini want to mark it invalid but i need to know if it's actually invalid =/03:45
pwnguinbug #18191403:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 181914 in xorg "default X configuration assumes wacom hardware" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18191403:46
gQuigsanybody getting:  play music or video, go to a tty terminal.  Music or Video pauses?03:54
pwnguincan't say thats something i do commonly ;)03:54
NoelJBgQuigs: I haven't tried with A3.  Don't recall seeing them with A2 when I was playing with video.03:56
NoelJBA3 has its own new set of issues.  And something ACPI related is still totally broken.03:57
gQuigsthis would be ACPI related?03:59
NoelJBnope,  just an aside.03:59
gQuigswhat exactly is broken with ACPI?04:03
blkorpheuscould someone pastebin a default hardy source.list please?04:06
blkorpheusI don't trust what I have04:07
blkorpheushope this is not read as a "what repos do I use" question?04:07
blkorpheussynaptic is telling me to check my repos, so I want ot make sure I'm on the same page04:08
blkorpheusliterally04:08
gQuigsdon't think you need more than:  deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy main restricted universe multiverse04:08
NoelJBblkorpheus, give me a sec ... I just did a clean install, so that should be easy.04:08
blkorpheusty!04:09
NoelJBdone04:11
NoelJBanyone here running on a laptop with a removeable bay, and in a position to crash hardy?  With all hardy releases, I get a solid freeze when a device is removed from the drive bay.  Works fine with Gutsy.04:12
pwnguinok, what was this bug regarding gnome-keyring on login?04:34
pwnguini log in, and i just get a brown/orange background and movable cursor04:35
gQuigshm.. I just reported this... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemulator/+bug/18192404:39
gQuigsand I don't have access to the duplicate?04:39
pwnguinmarked as a security bug?04:39
gQuigsubotu just message me saying it was marked private04:40
pwnguinim its possible the report includes sensetive information04:40
pwnguinperhaps a disk image04:40
pwnguinthat does raise an interesting question04:41
pwnguinwho looks at private bugs?04:41
gQuigsno idea.. and I wouldn't have reported a duplicate if I had been able to see it04:41
pwnguinand why does LP let you mark private bugs duplicates?04:41
pwnguinoh04:42
pwnguinapport did it04:42
pwnguinfun04:42
pwnguingQuigs: someone probably decided to click the apport "this report contains sensative information" button when they reported the crash04:43
pwnguini doubt it'll get far04:43
gQuigsoh ok04:43
burnerlol, i like the topic04:54
NoelJBDoes anyone happen to know how Gnome decides that a USB device is a drive vs a media player when attached?   Gutsy is getting it right, Hardy keeps getting it wrong.  I'll be happy to look into it further, but I'm not sure what mechanism is used.05:05
SeveredCrossLike someone said in #ubuntu, it's udev deciding these things.05:06
hydrogenIts hal actually05:07
burnerhal -> gnome-volume-manager -> icon on your desktop05:08
NoelJBhydrogen, and where should I look to find out why it thinks that my 60GB USB drive is a media player instead of just a plain ol' USB drive?05:08
burnerlsusb :)05:09
NoelJBburner, and from there?  I'm not sure what HAL uses for the mapping.  If you can give me a start, I'll dig further.05:11
* burner shrugs05:11
burnersystem -> prefs -> removable drives and media ?05:11
NoelJBburner, here's a treat for you ... lsusb, unmount usb drive, lsusb ... no change in the listing.  At all.05:12
NoelJBnevermind ... pilot error.05:13
NoelJBumounted, but didn't physically unplug.05:13
NoelJBthis is the device in question: Bus 003 Device 008: ID 05e3:0702 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 IDE Adapter05:15
NoelJBand gnome runs music player when that drive is mounted.05:15
NoelJBburner, no, I looked there.  Unless I am missing it, Removable Drives and Media just controls what happens, but not how it recognizes.05:16
burneryeah sorry NoelJB, i'm no use05:18
NoelJBburner, no worries.05:18
NoelJBhydrogen's suggestion regarding HAL makes sense, but I've so far not figured out why HAL is making the decision it makes.  see /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi (the only file under /etc/hal).05:20
DanaGRandom note: Something odd with SD cards: they don't auto-mount if they're FAT16, for me.05:22
NoelJBDanaG, this is a regular 60GB external USB drive in an Adaptec housing.  It is bootable, and holds my Gutsy install.05:23
DanaGHmm, why it thinks it's a media player?05:24
DanaGOh yeah, in addition to /etc/, there's also /usr/share/hal.05:24
NoelJBBut for some reason, when Hardy sees it, it decrees info.category = 'portable_audio_player'  (string)"05:24
DanaGOdd.05:24
NoelJBI'll take a look at /usr/share/hal.  No comment on placing configuration informatiion where it doesn't belong (I'm not a fan of putting it anywhere other than /etc).05:26
NoelJBkeeping things in one place makes life easier.05:26
DanaGI think /usr/share is for the configs that come with it, and /etc is for custom ones.05:28
NoelJBDanaG, THANKS (aka, BINGO!)  Take a look at /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/10freedesktop/10-usb-music-players.fdi.  Grep for HD300.  There it is.  Precise, and wrong, information.05:30
NoelJBThe Adaptec ACS-120 matches the signature precisely.05:31
NoelJBDanaG, I don't like the usage, but this isn't the place to argue about where config files belong.  :)05:32
NoelJBSo does this get reported to freedesktop or canonical?05:33
burnerlaunchpad report would probably do05:35
NoelJBagainst which component?05:36
NoelJBDanaG, thanks.  I've patched the file to comment out the entry, and all is well.  :-)05:36
NoelJBNow if only fixing hotswap were as easy.  :-D05:36
DanaGHmm, I think you can create an FDI file to mark something as hotswappable.05:36
burneri'd assume libhal package in ubuntu in launchpad?05:36
DanaGWhat system is it?05:36
NoelJBDanaG, yes, but that's not the problem.  The problem is sinply that upon removal from the bay, Ubuntu locks solid.  Not just GUI, but everything.  No response over net, bluetooth devices disconnect, etc.  Nothing at all in logs.  Hard hang requiring power cycle.05:39
NoelJBIt all works perfectly in Gutsy.05:39
DanaGHmm.  That's odd.05:40
NoelJBburner, ah, thanks.  I'll post it in the AM.05:40
DanaGDoes the old kernel still work properly?05:40
NoelJBDanaG, "Old kernel"05:40
NoelJBDanaG, please clarify.  I've not had any problem with Gutsy, and no success at all with Hardy since its inception.  And I keep testing each time there is a kernel drop.05:41
DanaGI mean, if you boot the Gutsy kernel in Hardy, then you can figure out if the kernel is at fault.  Then again, that may be obvious... or it may not be.05:42
NoelJBDanaG, no I have not tried a combination of the Gutsy kernel and Hardy userland.05:42
NoelJBI was really hoping to see it working in Alpha 3.  If it isn't working in Alpha 4, I'll start to get nervous, because we clearly don't want something that big hanging until too late in the release cycle.05:44
flamesageHello?05:58
flamesageI have a question.05:59
flamesagee> If I download Kubuntu Hardy Alpha 3, will I be able to simply do a sudo apt-get update to upgrade to the new KDE 4.0?05:59
crdlbmy understanding is that kde4 is in the hardy repos but not installed by default06:00
burneraw, so it's not kde4 on the livecd?06:00
burnercrappy06:00
flamesageyes it is06:01
flamesageI'm almost positive both 3.5 and 4RC are installed.06:01
burnercool06:01
flamesageyou just have to choose a session06:01
burneri'll find out if this torrent ever surges again06:01
burnercool, i'm excited to check it out06:01
flamesageme too06:02
flamesageI had some problems with Kubuntu though...06:02
flamesageSo I'm reluctent.06:02
flamesageIf I install KDE RC now, will I be able to update to the real KDE 4.0?06:02
flamesageDoes anyone know the answer to that? >_>06:04
burneryes06:04
burnerand yes06:04
bazhangheh06:05
flamesageheh ok06:05
flamesageI'm trusting you! :P06:05
burnerdon't trust too much, it's all alpha release stuff06:05
flamesageIs there a way to boot a Live ISO  /  Install off of a jumpdrive?06:05
flamesageJust simply unzip the ISO into the directory?06:05
burnernope06:05
burnerin eeexubuntu, i used a tool to get it's image onto a usb, but i'm not familiar with the voodoo it used06:06
burneri just ran "sudo ./installtousb.sh" or something06:06
flamesageo_006:06
NoelJBflamesage, I'd recommend a real USB drive, not a jump drive.  There are serious issues trying to run off of flash memory.  Makes installing more complicated.06:06
burnerreally?06:06
flamesageoh06:07
burneri installed eeexubuntu from a flash drive with no issues on my eeepc06:07
flamesageI don't have any CD-R!!! :(06:07
burnercdrw? :)06:07
NoelJBburner, yes, but what did you do about /tmp, swap, etc?   :-)06:07
burnerNoelJB: the flash drive wasn't an installed kubuntu, it ws the livecd image on the flash drive06:07
burnerthen you use the fllash drive to install06:08
burnerjust like booting from a livecd06:08
burnerhow does a livecd deal with /tmp, swap, etc?06:08
NoelJBburner, right.  I'm running off of USB as fully installed systems, not LiveCDs  :)06:08
flamesageSo KDE 4 is installed on Alpha 3?06:08
burnerwell don't do that ;)06:08
NoelJB:)06:08
flamesageOr I can easily install it?06:08
flamesageBecause i want KDE 4 now...06:09
flamesageI'll take the RC..06:09
flamesageI just want it :P06:09
burnerjust wait a day for kde4 to hit gutsy06:09
flamesage*sighs*06:09
burneri think you'll be safer with the older kernel and older xorg06:09
flamesageI don't think I can wait06:09
flamesageBut ok...06:09
flamesage*takes the gun away from his head*06:09
flamesageI'll wait..06:09
flamesageI'll wait for you KDE 4... :P06:09
flamesageYou better not let me down =P06:09
* burner passes a bowl, chill out mi amigo06:09
flamesageSorry, theres just been a ton of hype about KDE 406:10
burnereh, i wouldn't say a ton06:10
Amaranthabout kde406:10
Amaranthkde 4.0 is going to disappoint06:11
NoelJBburner, oh, I see. you just used the flash AS the install drive.  Gotcha.06:11
flamesageplease don't say that :(06:11
flamesagelol06:11
flamesageBe back in a while06:11
burneryeah, kde4 doesn't have apps yet06:11
burnerkoffice 2 isn't until april06:11
burneramarok 2 isn't out yet06:11
burnerwe just have core desktop and libraries so far06:11
burnerer, he left ;)06:11
Amaranthbuggy core desktop and libraries06:12
Amaranth4.1 will be much better, just because of bug fixing and more apps ported06:12
koshaboiAre KDE4 final packages on the Hardy repository yet?06:24
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DarkMageZkoshaboi, yes.06:35
burne1so kde4 is not on the livecd in alpha 306:55
burne1oh well06:55
koshaAnd, is there a graphical way to re-enable Synaptic touchpad scrolling in Kubuntu Hardy?07:09
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scizzo-evening08:12
scizzo-well morning I would say08:12
scizzo-any dbus developer/packager around?08:13
stdinscizzo-: best place to ask is in #ubuntu-devel most devs hang there08:14
scizzo-got it08:14
scizzo-thanks08:14
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Gnineopenoffice updating error - manager lists 6, only 1 checked. E: /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-base-core_1%3a2.3.1-3ubuntu1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/openoffice/program/libdba680li.so', which is also in package openoffice.org-core09:09
cwillusynaptic freezes when I hit apply or okay in the preferences dialog.  I mention this here because /tmp/*/hardy seems to do a similar hang in apt_pkg.so (haven't been able to trace anything inside that)09:44
cwillu./hardy seems to crash harder though, in that I have to actually use killall to kill it, ctrl+c isn't enough;  while synaptic responds to the ctrl+c09:46
mrtimdogWhy does setting a domain via Network Settings change the host name in /etc/hosts to <host-name>.<domain-name>?11:27
mrtimdogThis seems to then stop lookups for <host-name> from working without a DNS.11:28
cwillumrtimdog, are you using samba that you know of?11:29
cwillumrtimdog, the recommended lookup is <hostname>.local on the local network11:30
mrtimdogHi, yes. I got to here by asking nautilus to share a folder. It then asked to install samba/nfs, I did just samba.11:30
cwilluand setting the domain name is useful for remote access'y stuff (I've got 15 machines called office at various sites, for instance)11:30
cwillumrtimdog, iirc, samba is what lets you use the hostname without any qualification11:31
cwillumrtimdog, if you want, you can add .local to the default search domani11:31
cwilluunder network settings | dns | search domains, add local11:32
mrtimdogI did that, I ended up with all of: <host-name> <host-name>.local <host-name>.<domain-name> and it worked ok.11:32
cwilluwhich, to hostname?11:32
cwillubah, in hostname I meant?11:32
mrtimdogYeah, all for 127.0.1.1.11:33
mrtimdogJust wondered if the intent was to use just the <host-name>.<domain-name> entry if a domain name has been set.11:34
cwillu"stop lookups from working without dns";  on which os's?11:34
mrtimdogWhich OS's? I'm using HH.11:35
cwillumrtimdog, <hostname>.local and <hostname>.<domain> should both work;  I don't think <hostname> ever works unless you've added samba (in which case, it's actually samba getting confused)11:35
cwilluon the other machines too?11:35
mrtimdogI've not got to using samba yet. Just the local machine.11:35
* cwillu is now confused11:35
mrtimdogMe too :) Ok...11:36
cwillubah, brb11:36
cwillukeep talking though, I'll get back to you :)11:36
mrtimdogI started with no samba installed...11:36
mrtimdogCreated a folder in nautilus, and asked it to be shared, prompting to install samba or NFS. I chose just samba...11:37
cwilluokay11:38
mrtimdogHang on, just running through it again...11:38
Amaranthhey guys, KDE 4.0.0 is available for gutsy :P11:38
cwillunp11:40
cwilluAmaranth, should've caught me a year ago :p11:40
cwilluI was all ears while gnome didn't have a working print config :p11:40
mrtimdogcwillu: Right back to start now, no domain set, no samba or nfs installed. Will add a folder via nautilus and attempt to share it...11:43
Amaranthcwillu: err, we have had one for as long as i can remember?11:44
mrtimdogI'm asked to install NFS and/or samba, I choose just samba...11:44
cwilluAmaranth, gnome's printer dialog was really hangy, and didn't have options for a few things that we needed11:44
cwilluI'm just being picky :p11:44
mrtimdogsamba installed ok. Now the share dialog pops up with a greyed out 'Share through' drop down. Seems like nautilus hasn't recognised the install of samba. I'll just try a killall nautilus...11:46
cwillumrtimdog, what about the shared folders admin menu item?11:47
mrtimdogNautilus is asking again to install samba/nfs when I try and share the folder.11:47
mrtimdogI'll just take a look...11:47
cwillumrtimdog, I didn't even notice the nautilus option :p11:47
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cwilluneat11:49
cwillumrtimdog, granted that I already enabled samba via the admin menu11:49
mrtimdogYeah, hand stuff, I've used it successfully before.11:50
mrtimdogSharing via the admin menu tool works, thanks for pointing that out, I didn't know about that one!11:51
mrtimdogcwillu: So your share was successful via nautilus?11:52
cwilluseemed like it, although I didn't actually connect to it11:52
mrtimdogIf it add a stanza at the end of your smb.cond you're probably ok.11:53
mrtimdogsmb.conf even11:53
cwilluand it did11:54
cwillutoo bad they don't add an emblem to the folder when you share it11:55
cwilluso, I've seem to got apt in a state where it hard locks (non-interuptable)12:01
cwillu(although kill still works)12:01
cwilluthe hardy upgrade stalls at one notch before the end on "Checking package manager"12:02
cwilluI traced through the python, and it found it stalls in a c extension module apt_pkg.so12:02
cwilluthis sound familiar to anyone?12:02
cwilluvery interesting12:22
cwillu./hardy hangs, but ./hardy --frontend=...Text works12:23
cwillugdb shows gtk'ish things in the backtrace (didn't have the debug build of python or much else installed, so it's limited)12:23
cwilluare all the x utilities bundled in hardy now or something?12:28
dholbachMOTU Q&A Session in 14 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom!12:45
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RainCThttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hardy/alpha-3/hardy-desktop-i386.iso.torrent   does this image come with KDE4?13:29
RainCT*hi13:29
kristjan_still no cd with kde4 for hardy?13:29
Hobbseeno13:30
Hobbseethere is for gutsy, i hear13:30
kristjan_yes, livecd13:30
kristjan_oh well, then can we expect kde4 cd for hardy?13:31
Hobbseeyes13:36
Hobbseebut not eyt13:36
* cwillu_ is about to hit [y] to install hardy. wish him luck14:09
* cwillu_ has hit [y]14:10
nanonymeuh-oh14:11
cwillu_nanonyme, don't uh-oh me;  I already worked around apt_pkg.so getting tripped up with gtk, hanging the gui update-manager -> ./hardy process ;p14:14
nanonymecwillu_, erm, i haven't used hardy yet. i just uh-oh'd according to the topic14:15
cwillu_:p14:15
cwillu_nanonyme, I have a tradition of installing ubuntu+1 around 3 months early ;p14:16
* nanonyme shrugs14:16
cwillu_my doctor said it's a treatable condition14:16
WorkingOnWiseAny plans in Hardy to dress up grub, lint Mint has done?14:31
cwillu_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Grub14:34
kristjan_WorkingOnWise: what's the point of dressing up something you never look at?14:40
WorkingOnWisenice. so when will some of these nice polished graphics make it into our updates? I've seen some nice de themes and gdm stuff too.14:40
WorkingOnWiseIt's all about the impression....14:40
selckini look at grub every day14:40
WorkingOnWiseppl like pterry14:40
kristjan_WorkingOnWise: but it's hidden by default14:40
WorkingOnWisei'm on a laptop, so I do too14:40
kristjan_WorkingOnWise: I usually walk away then turning pc on and come back then login screen shows up14:41
WorkingOnWiseI'm mentally comparing vista to Ubuntu. Vista is so beautyful, it creates the impression of quality14:41
kristjan_vista has boot loader?14:41
kristjan_graphical boot loader screen?14:41
WorkingOnWiseNot that most ill see. not graphical14:42
WorkingOnWisebut if we can give eyecandy, I'm all for it. ppl se some pretty splash they never saw before and it grabs their attention14:43
kristjan_WorkingOnWise: you know - suse has animated graphical boot screen - beat that14:43
kristjan_WorkingOnWise: my point is - this part is low priority14:43
kristjan_WorkingOnWise: some things matter more, like the awesomeness of apt ;-)14:43
WorkingOnWiseell, i agree it isnt near as important as kernel and such, but if e ever want mom and pop to five a first try, e need to amp up the visuals too...sad to say, but I have watched soo many ppl buy a really pretty car for more money, after I told them I didnt trust the engine, or brakes, or electrical, than i have seem buy a car ith a rinkled quarter panel and a ne engine and great maintenance14:46
kristjan_WorkingOnWise: with distros it's easier to change your mind once the experience turns horrible after seeing pretty grub slpash screen14:47
WorkingOnWisebut if i have to pick...make it stable and snappy and I'll laugh and the visual nazi's and their broke box...14:47
elkbuntuwas 'nazi' really necessary in that?14:48
kristjan_WorkingOnWise: are there any technical reasons that grub is in text mode?14:48
kristjan_WorkingOnWise: old monitors, bios problems?14:48
kristjan_elkbuntu: such an overused word these days ...14:49
* cwillu_ kristjan_, the nazi nazi14:49
WorkingOnWisei personally know 2 x nazi prison guards, and while they are great guys, and nothing like u might imagine, they are stubborn to the point of foolish, buy thei own words... :) it fits...14:49
kristjan_WorkingOnWise: skinheads are their own enemies14:50
WorkingOnWiseeh....u dont want to know what these two think of todays "skinheads"14:50
kristjan_so anyone knows the reason why grub is in text mode?14:50
WorkingOnWisestability?14:51
kristjan_WorkingOnWise: can you be more specific?14:51
elkbuntuWorkingOnWise, why not use a less contentious and offensive word?14:51
kristjan_WorkingOnWise: I haven't seen a hardware there graphical boot menu doesn't work yet14:51
cwillu_serial terminal boots (including vm's without a video driver emulated)?14:52
WorkingOnWiseI'm guessing that. like any app, the more complicated u make it, the more chances there are for errors, and a boot loader is a really bad thing to have break, for the sake of pretty....14:52
WorkingOnWiseelkbuntu: didn't mean any harm. sorry.14:54
WorkingOnWiseany good reason for evince-thumbnailer to be running if evince isn't?14:55
cwillu_WorkingOnWise, got any new pdf's visible on the desktop?14:55
WorkingOnWiseit's suckin down cpu clock cycles like they are water14:56
WorkingOnWisenot new. they been there a while14:56
WorkingOnWisedays14:56
* cwillu_ 's hobby is writing non terminating postscript files and emailing them to unsuspecting motu's :p14:56
WorkingOnWisebut thats what generates the thunbnail previews for pdf's?14:57
cwillu_wait, that's actually pretty bad14:57
cwillu_yes14:57
kristjan_WorkingOnWise: this is obviously bug, now do your duty and report it :-)14:58
cwillu_gj, you scared him all the way to launchpad :p14:59
WorkingOnWiseis there an app I can use to see network activity visually, like in system monitor, but that will also help me determing what process is causing bandwith spikes.14:59
WorkingOnWiselol14:59
cwillu_WorkingOnWise, nettop sticks out, but I'm not sure if I just made that up15:00
WorkingOnWiselol15:00
WorkingOnWisei'll look for it in synaptic15:01
kristjan_ alright, I'm about to log in to kde 415:01
cwillu_ouch:  ssh <host> sudo synaptic sure shows the password in plain text on the terminal :(15:01
cwillu_but that's under gutsy, so I don't have to report the bug, I can just complain about the supposed polish on released software :p15:02
WorkingOnWiseum....i've never reported a bug without apport generating the report. how do I do this?15:04
kristjan_:-( I don't like this panel, it's ugly15:04
cwillu_launchpad.net15:04
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cwillu_alternatively, killall -SEGV evince-thumbnailer, and apport should start15:05
cwillu_tcptrack might do what you want15:06
cwillu_pktstat too15:07
WorkingOnWiseevince-thumbnaler is gone now...i'll keep looking for it to act up again. i wanted to see what files it had opened...  are software bugs like cars? they hide the problem when u tell the mechanic?15:09
cwillu_WorkingOnWise, lsof | grep evince-thumbnailer would tell you which files it had open15:10
cwillu_while it was running at least15:10
cwillu_lsof | grep <pid from top or wherever> might be more useful15:10
WorkingOnWisehehe...or I coulda right clicked it and picked "Open Files"15:10
WorkingOnWisei stay in the gui as much as I can....got away from cli as MS dumbed down DOS more and more....15:11
WorkingOnWisenow I'm finding I should get a bit cozier with the cli<15:12
cwillu_bind 'set completion-ignore-case on' and bind 'tab: menu-complete' is your friend :p15:13
WorkingOnWisewhat does that do? I life off tab completion in the terminal, thats for sure.15:15
cwillu_menu-complete makes multiple completions just select one after another by repeating tab (I set the old style completion to alt+space for the times I want to see the options)15:16
cwillu_completion-ignore-case allows cd /etc/x11<tab> to complete to /etc/X11/, and netwo<tab> to complete to NetworkManager15:17
cwillu_the shift key is not your friend :p15:17
WorkingOnWisewhat do I read to learn that kind of stuff. I was a wizard with such things up to DOS 7....15:18
NoelJBWorkingOnWise, Vista is "beautyful"[sic] ?  Apparently, you're only using screenshots and not working with it.  Vista is the final nail in the coffin driving me to adopt Ubuntu as my full-time host system.15:18
cwillu_WorkingOnWise, heh15:19
cwillu_WorkingOnWise, learn the ways of man and apropos15:19
cwillu_WorkingOnWise, man bash is a wealth of shell information for starters15:19
WorkingOnWiseI beta'd Vista. It is simply the most polished OS I have ever seen....and the clunkiest most cumbrsome OS I have ever worked with15:20
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WorkingOnWiseKinda like a Bently body and interior over a yamaha banshee15:21
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cwillu_for some reason, shiny sounds more correct than polished15:22
WorkingOnWiseVista did the exact thing for me...it and Office 200715:22
WorkingOnWiseeh...the fading is very well timed, the shadows feel very appropriate, the color work well. If they put that kind of thought and effort into whats under the hood, GNU/Linux would forever be a curiosity, IMHO. But, well...they didnt15:24
WorkingOnWisethey couldnt15:24
WorkingOnWisecwillu_: are the bind commands sticky?15:26
cwillu_I put them in /etc/bash.bashrc15:26
cwillu_you can put them in ~/.bashrc if you just want them on that user instead of every shell account by default15:27
WorkingOnWiseso if I dont, they are sticky system wide?15:27
cwillu_no, they'll just apply for the current shell I believe15:28
Picimuszek___: no worries :)15:28
cwillu_http://nokia.cwillu.com/bash.bashrc is what I use15:28
muszek___hi15:28
NoelJByou don't need the bind if you put them in bashrc15:28
muszek___I just fired up alpha 3... is pulse audio "in it"?  I'd like to set different volume for rhythmbox and firefox.... possible?15:28
cwillu_ah, good to know15:29
WorkingOnWisecwillu_: nokia? u on a Internet Tablet?15:29
cwillu_WorkingOnWise, no, I just use cellphone manufacturers for hostnames15:29
cwillu_easy to remember how to spell it, especially when giving it out to laypersons15:29
NoelJBcwillu_, at least accprding to http://www.wlug.org.nz/BashNotes.  I'm still playing with it on my end.15:29
cwillu_NoelJB, meh;  I've got it on at least a couple dozen hosts, I'm not too concerned :p15:30
NoelJB?15:30
WorkingOnWisecwillu_: ah, i c15:30
cwillu_NoelJB, if it works changed, I'll switch it the next time I'm cssh'd into everything15:30
NoelJB:-)15:31
cwillu_(another handy little toy that:  package cluster-ssh)15:31
cwillu_what I really want however is a hybrid rsync-torrent backup system for my laptop15:31
cwillu_plug it in at a location, it'll rsync whatever isn't in the torrent to the local machine, which will seed the new pieces until there's at least a couple distributed copies15:32
NoelJBcwillu_, I'll keep those in mind.  I'm used to the default behavior, but those could be useful.15:32
cwillu_I think I know how to hack rsync into doing at least the first bit:  rsync --update, and then push 0-byte files out to the mirrors with the same timestamps+1 so they don't copy off the laptop the next time they see it15:33
cwillu_NoelJB, I kinda wish they'd make it the default to be honest15:33
WorkingOnWiseI'm an information hound and like having answers at my fingertips, so I install every doc for everything on my system, and any other dos that looks remotely useful or potentially interesting. I have all this info, and since I don't know what I dont know, how can I access it not knowing where to start? would google desktop or beagle be useful as a search tool in this context?15:34
cwillu_it's broken behaviour that you'd need to remember a bitstring (the capitalization patterns) in order for the memory aid to trigger15:34
WorkingOnWisedos=doc15:34
cwillu_WorkingOnWise, apropos15:34
cwillu_and just start working through /usr/bin and /usr/share/doc until you've read everything :p15:35
WorkingOnWisecwillu_: that will parse all the documentation I have installed for the words I specify?15:35
cwillu_WorkingOnWise, more or less15:35
Picior just `man somecommand`15:35
WorkingOnWisehehe...that'll be fun!15:35
cwillu_WorkingOnWise, focus on the 1, 2 and 3 letter commands15:35
cwillu_cd, ls, du, df, etc15:35
WorkingOnWiseman isn't helpful because a lot of times I know what I want to do, but not what does it15:36
SeveredCrossThat's where apropos comes in handy.15:36
cwillu_WorkingOnWise, that's what apropos is for, finding the man page you need15:36
SeveredCrossYou give apropos a topic it spits out man pages.15:36
cwillu_wikipedia and google are good for that sort of thing, although I find google tends to weight the man pages themselves pretty heavily15:36
WorkingOnWisecool.15:36
cwillu_locate is a lifesaver too15:36
NoelJBWorkingOnWise, try it, e.g., $ apropos ext315:36
cwillu_ls<tab> (or alt+space for my bashrc) is neat15:37
cwillu_all random things you can list off15:37
cwillu_and remember that there's man pages for conf files too;  really handy that15:38
* Pici is using zsh now, likes it.15:38
WorkingOnWiseis there a way to get the terminal to Not blank when I exit a man page. to leave what I was looking at there and just return to the prompt?15:38
PiciWorkingOnWise: How are you exiting the man pages?15:38
WorkingOnWiseq15:38
PiciOh, nevermind, I see what you mean.15:38
WorkingOnWiseit does it in a vt, but not in a terminal window in the gui15:39
WorkingOnWiseand I almost never use the vt's15:39
cwillu_WorkingOnWise, man <foo> -P more works15:40
cwillu_but I don't like more15:40
WorkingOnWisemore is closer to what I want, but i cant move around in the man page , only down.15:44
cwillu_less -X15:44
cwillu_so man <foo> -P less -X15:44
cwillu_maybe15:44
cwillu_works for plain old less, but not with man15:45
WorkingOnWiseyup. big nasty error...15:45
WorkingOnWiseeh, I'll find it.15:45
WorkingOnWiseI used to have DOS cli so tweaked, I think me and my brother were the only 2 that could get anything done! I'll get there again in GNU/Linux15:46
cwillu_ahhhhhhh15:48
cwillu_man <foo> -P "less -X"15:48
cwillu_otherwise it uses -X as a dpi arg15:48
WorkingOnWisethats it exactly.... "D15:49
WorkingOnWise")15:49
WorkingOnWise:)15:49
WorkingOnWisefat fingers!15:49
cwillu_heh15:50
cwillu_okay, I'm crashing hard;  time for bed15:50
cwillu_maybe when I wake up, I'll have a fresh hardy system!15:50
cwillu_only 4 more hours for the download (that's what happens when you have 10% of the packages in main, restricted, universe and multiverse installed :p)15:50
WorkingOnWiselol.. thanks for the cli primer15:51
cwillu_(it starts trying to download 2 gigs everytime you upgrade to a lousy new distro release15:51
cwillu_heh, np15:51
cwillu_later15:51
WorkingOnWisewhats the big fancy video app that Pixar uses?15:53
Tomcat_WorkingOnWise: RenderMan?16:05
Tomcat_WorkingOnWise: Maya?16:05
Tomcat_WorkingOnWise: 3D Studio?16:05
Aondothey are probably using blender :P i bet!16:09
Tomcat_:-D16:11
NoelJBWorkingOnWise, they often use proprietary rendering software.16:12
WorkingOnWiseNoelJB: I thought their main app was open source, but in googleing, I see that it is actually commercial, with several renderman compliant foss projects.16:16
NoelJBWorkingOnWise, in any event, drifting rather OT for this channel :)16:17
_Shade_hi there16:38
_Shade_can we, kubuntu users count on something further than kde 4.0.0 release in the final Hardy version? Don't get me wrong, kde4 looks promising but it's very uncomplete at the moment and would leave kubuntu users way behind the others16:49
Skiesslis there a tool for recovering files from a ntfs partition that was on this hard drive before this ubuntu one?16:50
Oli``Just upgraded to Alpha3. Should I be running on -386 or -generic?17:15
fruitbagHey17:17
fruitbagI really like the codenames that the Ubuntu team chooses.17:17
fruitbag:)17:17
fruitbagHardy Heron17:17
fruitbagFeisty Fawn17:17
Pici!codenames17:18
ubotuUbuntu has awesome release codenames. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames for more17:18
fruitbagHey, Pici... Ubuntu is such a clean and elegant Linux distro.17:18
fruitbagI'm seriously considering switching completely to Ubuntu.17:20
PiciThats nice to hear.17:22
fruitbagOnly one thing, Pici... in Windows, I listen to internet radio using Winamp.17:23
fruitbagIs there an alternative in Linux?17:23
Pici!players17:23
ubotuAudio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs17:23
fruitbagSure, Pici... but I want internet radio.17:23
NoelJBfruitbag, rythmbox will play internet radio17:24
fruitbagDo they all receive internet radio?17:24
fruitbagAlright, NoelJB.17:24
fruitbagThanks17:24
fruitbagThat's pretty much the only thing.17:24
PiciMany of them can.17:24
fruitbagI'm going to run Doom 3 in Ubuntu ;p17:24
fruitbagAh, man -- do you know what would be great? Windows running on an IBM 12" Thinkpad laptop.17:26
fruitbagThat would be amazing.17:26
fruitbag...I want to have this setup in the future when I'm at university.17:26
fruitbagAnd, then, I'm going to make my desktop flexible by using scripts17:28
fruitbagAnd I'd write my documents in oppenoffice.17:28
fruitbagMan17:28
fruitbagI have so many good ideas here.17:28
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Oli``Mono. Anyone know who hid the metapackage?19:06
SeveredCrossNo idea. I tend to use meebey's Debian repo anyway.19:21
SeveredCrossMono in Ubuntu was heavily outdated for quite some time. What's the version in Hardy?19:21
Pici!info mono-common19:23
ubotumono-common: common files for Mono. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.6+dfsg-5ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 111 kB, installed size 728 kB19:23
SeveredCrossHey, it's up to date.19:26
cdm10Has anyone here run Hardy in VirtualBox?20:11
* TheInfinity just tries hardy in vmware fusion20:12
cdm10Ah.20:13
cdm10Wait, Fusion? Isn't that OS X?20:13
* Pici just runs it on his main linux computer20:13
TheInfinitycdm10: yes ;)20:13
cdm10Anyway, I'm just annoyed that the VirtualBox guest additions won't work.20:13
cdm10Probably has to do with the new kernel.20:13
cdm10Ooh, found a packaging bug...20:14
* cdm10 reports20:14
siriusnovaso what are the opinions of kde4?21:17
siriusnovathus far21:17
hydrogenmy pants are still wet.21:18
hydrogeni mean21:18
hydrogenits okay21:18
siriusnovak21:18
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ader10Please do not use gnome for future versions of ubuntu. It is targeted for "dumb" users. They remove features because they're confusing and don't let users configure their environment enough. KDE, enlightenment, or xfce would be a far better choice.22:03
* hydrogen giggles22:07
articpenguin3800anyone having problems with e2fsprogs22:08
hydrogenthat was pretty creative22:08
articpenguin3800e2fsck at boot22:08
articpenguin3800keeps dieing with exit status 122:08
articpenguin3800also my home partition keeps getting bad superblock22:09
siriusnovasomeone please tell the folks in ubuntu-offtopic to unban me :(22:09
siriusnovamy friend got on my comp22:10
siriusnovaand got me banned22:10
siriusnovawhen i was in the shower22:10
siriusnova:(22:10
Picisiriusnova: ask yourself in #ubuntu-ops22:10
articpenguin3800siriusnova: go to #ubuntu+122:10
articpenguin3800ya ubuntu-ops22:10
articpenguin3800my bad on that22:10
phinhello, i was wondering if anyone else was experiancing random crashes with xorog, under hardy, while using the intel driver and compiz.  it just seems to randomly blank the screen and then i cannot get in to anything.  even attempting to switch to a console doesn't work.23:24
phins/xorog/xorg23:24
nekostarhrmzorz23:31
nekostari think i need me some hardy!23:31
nekostar!hardy23:31
ubotuHardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu23:31
nekostarany changes via 64bit?23:33
nekostarmeaning...23:33
nekostardoes flash work fully etc now?23:33
infinitycircuitnekostar: funny joke23:34
* nekostar shrugs23:35
nekostarinfinitycircuit thought 64bit flash was getting better or so23:36
nekostarwhat about syncing phones?23:36
nekostarhrm23:36
nekostarinfinitycircuit i dont use that much23:37
nekostarmultimedia / gtkpod / k3b / pidgin / xchat / firefox etc23:37
nekostarany major problems there?23:37
nekostar[besides the normal alpha2 broken stuff of course lol]23:37
pwnguinI think im gonna have to start cherry picking authors from planet ubuntu23:50
pwnguini dont need eight posts from eight people on how kde is coming soon, or today23:50

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