[00:15] <Dr_willis> lime4x4,  last i looked at sirus radio web site - i couldent even get it to work with linux.
[00:18] <TazgodX> sooooo, anyone actually able to get mythstreamtv to work on mythbuntu?
[00:22] <TazgodX> is there a way to d/l videos on my mythbox over mythweb to a networked PC?
[00:31] <rhpot1991> TazgodX: I have seen words about setting it up to play in vnc with that menthod, so I would imagine if you setup the directory access correctly you could just right click and save as
[00:32] <rhpot1991> you could just set up a samba or nfs share too
[00:34] <blkorpheus> where can I get a good mkiconmap.pl?
[00:35] <blkorpheus> can someone pastebin theirs for me?
[00:35] <rhpot1991> /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib
[00:36] <_andrew> TazgodX: I can send you a small Perl script you can set up to download the files from a web server, although it's not pretty and there's some assembly required.
[00:36] <blkorpheus> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=659623
[00:38] <rhpot1991> he could just set up apache to host out his recordings folder
[00:38] <rhpot1991> easy enough to do, but the names of the files would drive me crazy
[00:38] <_andrew> Yeah, the Perl script grabs the names out of the database :)
[00:39] <rhpot1991> blkorpheus: I think that mkikons.pl doesn't work
[00:39] <rhpot1991> or didn't last I tried it
[00:39] <rhpot1991> kept saying zip code was invalid
[00:39] <blkorpheus> I'm on the hunt for a good one
[00:40] <blkorpheus> think maybe in the myth source
[00:40] <TazgodX> _andrew is it easy?
[00:41] <_andrew> Depends - how good are you at configuring Apache?
[00:41] <TazgodX> well...i can follow directions... :)
[00:41] <_andrew> Then it depends on how good am I at describing this stuff on IRC...
[00:42] <TazgodX> sooo, shall we get started? :)
[00:42] <rhpot1991> blkorpheus: actually it seems to be working better
[00:44] <blkorpheus> what do you mean?
[00:45] <blkorpheus> is the file empty?
[00:45] <rhpot1991> actually
[00:45] <blkorpheus> does it ask for your zipcode?
[00:45] <rhpot1991> did the same thing that the forum post says
[00:45] <blkorpheus> can you pastebin the contents for me please?
[00:45] <_andrew> TazgodX, I was gonna do this privately, to keep the noise out of the channel.
[00:45] <rhpot1991> contents of what?
[00:45] <blkorpheus> where can I get a good mkiconmap.pl?
[00:45] <rhpot1991> it used to hang on the zip, but its getting past that atleast
[00:46] <rhpot1991> scroll up, I told you were it is at on your system
[00:46] <blkorpheus> my file is blank
[00:46] <rhpot1991> its prob in a .gz file
[00:46] <blkorpheus> so again, could you pastebin the contents for that file so I can use it?
[00:46] <rhpot1991> that you need to extract
[00:46] <blkorpheus> I've done that, thats how I know its blank
[00:46] <blkorpheus> could you do that for me?
[00:48] <_andrew> TazgodX: I dunno if you can see me PMing you, but you've got some time to look while I clean up the script :)
[00:49] <TazgodX> ill eat really fast then :)
[00:49] <_andrew> Let me know when you get back.
[00:53] <rhpot1991> prob wont help you much though, as it doesn't seem to be working
[00:53] <rhpot1991> go search around on the mailing list about the master icons file
[00:53] <rhpot1991> I think thats the latest and greatest way to do the icons
[00:59] <Dr_willis> well i got my MythTV box going again.. and was bout to  sign up for schedulesdirect. and the wife decided we dont need cable tv.. :()
[01:16] <blkorpheus> Mkiconmap is deprecated, it's now done with master_iconmap
[01:16] <TazgodX> _andrew, im back....just don't know for how long :) should be a while tho
[01:16] <blkorpheus> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel_icons
[01:17] <_andrew> TazgodX: alright, let's have a go...
[01:17] <blkorpheus> thats why mkiconmap does nt work
[01:17] <blkorpheus> ERROR:No icons were found.  Please check 'na_icon_error.html'
[01:17] <_andrew> The file I'm sending you, put it in /usr/lib/cgi/bin
[01:18] <_andrew> (`sudo mv recorded-mythtv.pl /usr/lib/cgi-bin` in the console)
[01:18] <TazgodX> i not on my mythbuntu box....but we can attmept
[01:18] <TazgodX> i can putty in
[01:18] <_andrew> Yeah, that should be alright.
[01:19] <_andrew> Anyway, accept the file, and you can paste it over or something.
[01:19] <TazgodX> yeah, i have auto accept on...
[01:19] <TazgodX> shoot
[01:20] <_andrew> Don't tell me - I have to go work out how to use pastebin?
[01:20] <TazgodX> haha can't send?
[01:20] <_andrew> Apparently not.
[01:21] <TazgodX> i wasn't recognized, i just authed with nickserv
[01:21] <TazgodX> try now
[01:22] <_andrew> Nah, it's okay - just do `sudo wget http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d3278f227 -O /usr/lib/cgi-bin/recorded-mythtv.pl` on your Linux box.
[01:23] <TazgodX> thats actually better for me :)
[01:23] <_andrew> I suspected as much.
[01:24] <TazgodX> ok
[01:24] <_andrew> Next, `sudo chmod 555 /usr/lib/cgi-bin/recorded-mythtv.pl`.
[01:24] <_andrew> Which distro are you using?
[01:24] <_andrew> Or to be more precise, do you have a /etc/httpd/ or a /etc/apache/ directory?
[01:24] <TazgodX> 7.10 mythbuntu
[01:24] <_andrew> Good.
[01:25] <_andrew> `echo ScriptAlias /recordings /usr/lib/cgi-bin/recorded-mythtv.pl | sudo dd of="/etc/apache2/conf.d/recorded-mythtv"`
[01:25] <_andrew> `sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 reload`
[01:25] <_andrew> Oh, and then the bit that's a security risk...
[01:26] <_andrew> `chmod 644 /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt`
[01:26] <TazgodX> had to sudo that last one
[01:26] <_andrew> It's probably safe to do that if this is your personal machine, but not if anyone else has access to it.
[01:26] <_andrew> Yeah.
[01:27] <_andrew> Anyway, if you promise not to come after me when you get hacked, I think we're done.
[01:27] <TazgodX> lol
[01:27] <_andrew> You should now be able to go to http://<your-machine>/recordings/
[01:27] <TazgodX> who would want to hack a mythtv box?
[01:27] <_andrew> Pirates!
[01:28] <TazgodX> and, i can d/l anything in recordings now? what about if i put something in my videos folder? pull that too?
[01:28] <_andrew> Er, I don't think so.
[01:28] <_andrew> I don't have anything in my videos folder, so I didn't bother doing that.
[01:29] <_andrew> If you want to do that, you could make it your first programming project.  Shouldn't be too hard.
[01:29] <TazgodX> i get an error goign to recordings dir
[01:29] <TazgodX> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
[01:29] <_andrew> :s
[01:30] <_andrew> Yeah, that was a bit too easy I guess.
[01:30] <TazgodX> lol
[01:30] <_andrew> So what happens if you run `/usr/lib/cgi-bin/recorded-mythtv.pl` on the command line?
[01:31] <TazgodX> -bash: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/recorded-mythtv.pl: /usr/bin/perl^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[01:31] <_andrew> :s
[01:31] <_andrew> <waves fist at pastebin>
[01:32] <_andrew> I'll have a look...
[01:34] <_andrew> Right...
[01:35] <_andrew> wget http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d3278f227 -O - | sed 's/.$//' | sudo dd of="/usr/lib/cgi-bin/recorded-mythtv.pl"`
[01:35] <_andrew> Then, `sudo chmod 555 /usr/lib/cgi-bin/recorded-mythtv.pl`.
[01:37] <TazgodX> ok
[01:37] <TazgodX> looks like it works
[01:37] <TazgodX> :)
[01:37] <TazgodX> thanks
[01:37] <_andrew> :)
[01:37] <_andrew> No problem.
[01:38] <TazgodX> how hard would it be to convert this for a http://<my machine>/videos for the videos folder? :)
[01:39] <_andrew> I don't know - it depends what information MythTV itself has about videos in there.
[01:40] <_andrew> If there's not much information, you might be better off just doing `sudo ln -s <my-mythvideo-directory> /var/www/videos`.
[01:41] <_andrew> Which is even cheaper and nastier than my script, but should work.
[01:41] <TazgodX> lol
[02:42] <jesse> hello
[02:43] <toorima> anyone knows what lineup to pick when downloading channel icons, I allready have icons for SD but I get some HD channels for free over the air and dont know what lineup that would be
[02:43] <jesse> i was wondering if someone could help me.. i cannot seem to get my audio to work correctly on my DVICO fusionHDTV3
[02:43] <jesse> someone please help me lol
[02:43] <jesse> am i going to need a different card?
[02:46] <jesse> toorima cant you use EIT to pick up that information?
[02:47] <toorima> pick up the icons?
[02:48] <jesse> oh hmm
[02:48] <jesse> I dunno man
[02:48] <jesse> i'm new to the world
[02:48] <jesse> what tv tuner card are you using toorima
[02:48] <toorima> i use schedulesdirect for my program info, just wanted some icons too
[02:48] <jesse> i think i need to get a different one
[02:48] <toorima> i use the pvr150 for sd and pchdtv5500 for hd
[02:49] <jesse> how clear does the pchdtv5500 come in?
[02:49] <toorima> it is very nice and clear
[02:49] <jesse> hmm
[02:49] <jesse> currently i have a Dvico and i'm having problems
[02:49] <jesse> i cant get my audio to work right..
[02:50] <toorima> perfect picture most of the time and that is on a 42" plasma
[02:50] <jesse> dang
[02:50] <jesse> would u have any idea what my prob may be?
[02:50] <jesse> it seems like it isnt porting the audio thru the pci bus
[02:50] <jesse> it has some cable you can connect to your audio card
[02:50] <toorima> well hd just captures the stream so
[02:50] <jesse> i'm wondering if maybe i dont have to keep that on :-\
[02:51] <jesse> well its giving me probs in both SD and HD
[02:51] <jesse> :(
[02:51] <toorima> i had soundproblems at first, using optical sound
[02:51] <jesse> so how do you get around it?
[02:51] <toorima> so i recorded a little bit, and played the file on another computer
[02:51] <toorima> just to see that i had sound in the file
[02:52] <jesse> yeah
[02:52] <jesse> hmm
[02:52] <toorima> had to do some config to get the optical sound to work
[02:52] <toorima> to my amp
[02:52] <jesse> what os are you running?
[02:52] <toorima> mythbuntu
[02:53] <jesse> same here
[02:53] <jesse> i tried mythdora
[02:53] <jesse> i managed to get sound but it was really bad quality
[02:53] <jesse> i dunno what to do about this damn thing
[02:53] <toorima> i tried mythdora to but didnt like it
[02:53] <jesse> yeah i like mythbuntu more
[02:54] <toorima> never liked red hat either so
[02:54] <jesse> oh
[02:54] <jesse> i learned on fc5
[02:54] <jesse> liked it back then.. but everything was pretty equal back then
[02:54] <jesse> no os seemed to have an upper hand for a newbie
[02:54] <toorima> allways like apt
[02:54] <toorima> over rpm
[02:54] <jesse> yeah
[02:54] <jesse> i like source.. lol
[02:54] <toorima> hehe
[02:54] <jesse> i've been using slackware on my main since 10.1
[02:55] <toorima> i started on slack in 99
[02:55] <toorima> but moved to debian after a year or so
[02:57] <jesse> you have any idea how well slack would do as a myth box?
[02:57] <jesse> may do that or arch
[02:57] <toorima> havent used slack since but should do good
[02:57] <jesse> hmm
[02:57] <jesse> maybe i should give that try
[02:58] <jesse> but i wonder how hard it'd be to get the remote to work w/ it
[02:58] <jesse> i think slacks kernel should have most tv tuners
[02:58] <jesse> but remote.. :-\
[02:58] <toorima> should have it
[02:58] <toorima> but yeah lirc can be a pain
[02:59] <jesse> what is lirc? lol
[02:59] <jesse> sorry.. new to it
[03:00] <toorima> the program that handles remotes
[03:01] <toorima> it could be horrible to set up manually and get all buttons to work
[03:01] <jesse> yeah
[03:01] <jesse> i better do some investigating
[03:02] <jesse> arch seems like it'd be really good tho
[03:02] <jesse> arch is a very up to date, always updating os
[03:02] <toorima> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=slackware+mythtv&btnG=Google+Search
[03:02] <jesse> and easy to customize as far as running deamons
[03:02] <toorima> some nice stuff there
[03:03] <jesse> oh thanks man
[03:03] <toorima> i tried arch once but on a brand new laptop, didnt go well but gonna try it again when i have more time
[03:03] <toorima> arch looks good
[03:03] <jesse> yeah arch is good
[03:03] <jesse> i use it on my laptop
[03:04] <jesse> i have cpu scaling and some other stuff
[03:04] <toorima> will probably be my next os then
[03:04] <slestak> anyone using a dvico hdtv5 gold for dvb-t?  im having a heck of a time setting up a channel.conf for this thing
[03:04] <jesse> i have it set up so i can set the cpu priority which then regulates the fan speed... if the battery gets low then it changes the cpu & fan accordingly
[03:05] <slestak> i have tried using scan from dvb-utils as well as w_scan to no avail
[03:05] <toorima> jesse: nice
[03:05] <jesse> slestak.. i have the dvico fushion hdtv3 and am having probs w/ audio
[03:05] <jesse> yeah it is pretty bitchin lol
[03:05] <slestak> with the analog or hd side?
[03:05] <jesse> and w/ that 9 cell battery it seems to last a while
[03:05] <jesse> sletak.. pm ?
[03:05] <jesse> and analog
[03:06] <slestak> pm is fine
[03:06] <toorima> hmm see if i can add the icons manually instead
[03:06] <slestak> jesse: not sure how to start a pm in irssi
[03:07] <jesse> ok
[03:07] <jesse> well
[03:07] <jesse> i can get audio to stream thru that cable
[03:07] <jesse> but i cant get it to actually enter the pc
[03:07] <jesse> it just streams it straight out my sound card
[03:07] <jesse> so if i pause or record it only gets video.. no audio
[03:08] <jesse> slestak?
[03:08] <slestak> i havent gotten far enough to tackle audio.  im using spdif and the alsa to get audio to my receiver
[03:09] <jesse> but can you pause it?
[03:09] <jesse> i can get audio to come out if i plug it into my sound card and enable aux audio
[03:09] <jesse> but it only streams it straight out to my speaker
[03:09] <slestak> i dont know, i do not have any channels setupyet.  autoscan is not getting anythig, as well as scan and w_scan
[03:10] <jesse> yeah my scans couldnt pick anything up either
[03:10] <slestak> how did you get your channel data?
[03:10] <jesse> i only have analog
[03:10] <jesse> do u not have that either?
[03:10] <slestak> i could set that up, im mainly interested in DT though
[03:11] <jesse> did you set up a video source?
[03:11] <slestak> im not even sure i will setup sd if i can get dt working
[03:11] <jesse> yeah
[03:11] <jesse> well did u set up a video source?
[03:11] <slestak> yes, i setup a video source, capture device, input, etc.
[03:12] <slestak> im working out of myth right now to see that the card is functional
[03:12] <jesse> but did you set up a video source for atsc / dvb using EIT?
[03:12] <slestak> maybe with vlc or mplayer
[03:12] <slestak> i dont think i did.
[03:12] <jesse> try that
[03:12] <jesse> maybe thats the prob..
[03:12] <slestak> is that in mythbackendsetup?
[03:12] <jesse> yeah
[03:12] <jesse> mythtv-setup
[03:14] <slestak> the only capture card i have setup is DVB:0
[03:15] <jesse> hm
[03:15] <slestak> video sources, us-bcast schedules direct feed.
[03:15] <jesse> try pcHDTV DTV capture
[03:15] <jesse> w/ V4L drivers
[03:15] <slestak> ok, i'll reset it
[03:16] <slestak> video device /dev/video0?
[03:17] <slestak> jesse: where is the EIT setting made?
[03:17] <jesse> its an option in the video source selection
[03:18] <jesse> u can either set up no grabber, eit, or schedules direct
[03:19] <slestak> oh, i already have a SD acct, should i use eit instead?
[03:19] <jesse> for hd maybe?
[03:19] <jesse> lol
[03:19] <jesse> i dunno.. i'm experimenting
[03:19] <slestak> i see it now, i'll try it.
[03:19] <jesse> i'm starting to wonder if maybe we dont have the wrong video card.. :-\
[03:19] <jesse> from what i read Dvico is supposed to be good
[03:20] <jesse> but after looking at other ppls htpc's i wonder
[03:20] <jesse> everyones using something different
[03:20] <jesse> alot using pvr 150 for SD and pcHDTV for HD
[03:20] <slestak> im not seeing anything different on the atsc scan
[03:21] <jesse> when u scan what configs do u use..
[03:21] <jesse> like freq table
[03:21] <jesse> atsc mod
[03:22] <slestak> freq table broadcast, atsc 8-vsb (i want ota only) channel sep "-"
[03:22] <jesse> try using a qam?
[03:23] <slestak> qam for ota?  ive only seen that listed for cable
[03:23] <jesse> oo ur only doin broadcast
[03:23] <jesse> hmm
[03:24] <jesse> since my card only has 1 input how could i run cable and an HD int. to it?
[03:24] <jesse> get a 2 to 1, male to 2 male connector?
[03:24] <slestak> when i move the antenna to the tv to use the internal tuner, i get 5+ ota perfectly, so i know th eposition of the ant and the signal strength is there
[03:24] <jesse> hmm
[03:25] <slestak> during the scan, it says "No Lock" while its doing it
[03:25] <jesse> same here
[03:25] <jesse> it cant find the channel..
[03:28] <jesse> maybe dvico is just junk?
[03:28] <jesse> :-\
[03:29] <slestak> dunno.  im seeing success on the forums, ive only had it since yesterday
[03:30] <slestak> i think it would help me if i had done this with an analog first before adding the complexity of hdtv channels.conf
[03:31] <jesse> yeah..
[03:31] <jesse> how much did you pay for that card if you dont mind saying
[03:31] <jesse> i was looking at going for the #5 if i couldnt get my #3 to work
[03:31] <slestak> 149, that included a set of rabbit ears
[03:31] <slestak> snapstream.com
[03:32] <rhpot1991> anyone have any idea how to verify which port mysql is running on?
[03:32] <jesse> not to my knowledge.. just have to trust the myth
[03:32] <jesse> lol
[03:33] <jesse> 149.. not bad
[03:33] <slestak> when you do mythfilldb you can see the connection on the console, can you see ht eport number there?
[03:33] <jesse> i paid $39 + $15ish for SH... ebay
[03:33] <slestak> im having some success!
[03:33] <slestak> i saw wxmi go by on the scan
[03:33] <jesse> what are your settings? lol
[03:34] <slestak> just a sec
[03:34] <jesse> ok lol
[03:34] <jesse> i wanna try it too
[03:34] <jesse> lol
[03:35] <slestak> i didnt use the v4l capture card, i used the one i was set to initially.  dvb dtv capture card
[03:35] <jesse> hmm
[03:35] <jesse> i'll have to try that one also
[03:35] <slestak> the frontend id will change to dvico v2
[03:35] <slestak> i used eit instead of scheduled direc.
[03:35] <jesse> ?
[03:35] <jesse> ok
[03:35] <slestak> lets see if i can watch any tv
[03:36] <noonan> howdy
[03:36] <jesse> damn man that dvb takes forever lol
[03:37] <jesse> anyone use knoppmyth?
[03:37] <jesse> think i'm going to if i cant get audio on mythbuntu
[03:37] <jesse> and if that fails.. prolly have to get a different card lol
[03:38] <jesse> slestak can you plz try to pick up analog and tell me how it goes
[03:38] <jesse> if it works for u then maybe i'll buy a dvico #5
[03:39] <slestak> oh man, i have abc-hd
[03:39] <jesse> oh snap! ol
[03:39] <jesse> u think i could use one of those old ant. they used on analog to cature HD?
[03:39] <slestak> not exactly smooth, but im just getting started
[03:40] <jesse> get an external HD reciever
[03:40] <slestak> i have 9.00 rabbit ears from Menards
[03:40] <jesse> i heard those externals PULL channels
[03:42] <slestak> i have an estimate in to get a roof antenna
[03:42] <jesse> use the tax return?
[03:42] <jesse> lol
[03:42] <jesse> i saw some small ones you can mount right out a window for fairly cheap
[03:42] <jesse> u gonna try analog?
[03:42] <jesse> plz lol
[03:43] <slestak> my mythfrontend is using all the cpu ive got.
[03:43] <slestak> very choppy video
[03:43] <jesse> do u have audio w/ the HD?
[03:43] <slestak> yes
[03:43] <jesse> hmm
[03:43] <jesse> can you try analog plz
[03:43] <slestak> choppy video though.
[03:43] <jesse> i may get a dvico #5
[03:43] <jesse> yeah
[03:43] <jesse> what CPU u have?
[03:44] <slestak> my machine is a p4, 3G with 2 g of ram, thought it would be able to hang
[03:44] <jesse> yeah it should
[03:44] <jesse> i'm running a p4 2.2ghz
[03:44] <jesse> limit your audio sampling
[03:44] <jesse> i forget where its at
[03:45] <jesse> but as long as you keep it above like 4.1khz... 4100hz the human ear wont notice
[03:45] <jesse> could prolly even drop it below that
[03:46] <jesse> given the abuse i gave my ears in highschool w/ bass lol
[03:46] <jesse> prolly wont notice much at the lowest setting
[03:47] <slestak> i see it on the capture card setup, but i only have two choices, 32k or 44k
[03:47] <jesse> DUDE i'm pullin HD too
[03:47] <slestak> but thats on teh analog options
[03:47] <jesse> try 32 see how it does
[03:47] <jesse> o
[03:48] <jesse> how did you route your audio?
[03:48] <jesse> i need help w/ that if you can man
[03:48] <slestak> do you have spdif connection on your sound card?  the digital finer link
[03:48] <jesse> i dunno what that means lol
[03:49] <jesse> i have that thing that connects from the capture to the sound
[03:49] <slestak> do you have a fiber optic connection on your sound card, its a wird plug that snaps in
[03:49] <jesse> its plugged into the TAD
[03:49] <jesse> yeah
[03:49] <jesse> where do i have to plug it in to
[03:49] <slestak> i have that running to a denon av receiver
[03:50] <slestak> so im exporting my sound
[03:50] <jesse> oo
[03:50] <jesse> so if u pause the video does the sound keep streaming?
[03:50] <slestak> could you run your output out one jack and then back in the mic input?
[03:50] <slestak> my video is too choppy
[03:50] <jesse> try analog
[03:50] <jesse> tell me how well it works? lol
[03:50] <slestak> im not sure how to setup analog
[03:51] <jesse> just do the analog tuner w/ the schedules direct source
[03:51] <jesse> its pretty cake
[03:51] <slestak> i need to setup that lineup, i deleted all the analog stations
[03:52] <jesse> ooo
[03:53] <slestak> i may need to change my tv input, i am using vga, which is like 1280 x sth resoluiotn, maybe the hd is being scaled (the high cpu).  i have an hdmi input i can try
[03:53] <jesse> yeah
[03:53] <slestak> so i should have to capture cards setup, one for hd channels and another for analog?  from the same physical card?
[03:53] <jesse> i have DVI out to my monitor and Svid cloned to my CRT tv
[03:53] <jesse> i think so
[03:54] <slestak> i think i have a lockup.  no activity when selecting new capture card
[03:55] <slestak> im going to reboot and try the hdmi input
[03:56] <slestak> back in a minute
[04:09] <slestak> jesse: well, the frontend is using a lot less cpu with the hdmi, but i also have no output
[04:09] <slestak> since i had a lockup, im going to make sure my last settings were saved
[04:11] <jesse> hmm
[04:11] <jesse> alright
[04:11] <jesse> mne locked up too.. now my tv tuner isnt working :-\
[04:13] <slestak> i have some overscan with the hdmi input.  on the right and left i lose about 5% of the screen, enought to not see some of the setup.  is it possible to "crop" or hardcode a factor in the ui to ge tthis back?
[04:15] <jesse> i dunno
[04:16] <slestak> great, so much for ubuntus unbreakable X, now its pulling down 100% cpu
[04:16] <toorima> damn put in some high-res icons for my hd channels now, looks good
[04:17] <jesse> lol
[04:17] <jesse> can you pause your video tho?
[04:17] <slestak> what resolution are you running your hd at?
[04:17] <slestak> i dunno yet, not stable yet
[04:17] <jesse> right now i'm not
[04:17] <jesse> i cant get anything to work
[04:17] <jesse> i had to kill power to it
[04:17] <toorima> anyone know how to change the order of the channels? i have the channels in order in mythweb but while "zaping" around they are not in numerical order
[04:17] <jesse> now tuner doesnt work
[04:18] <slestak> i dont have a remote configured, so im not sure how to pauise with the keyboard
[04:18] <jesse> p
[04:18] <jesse> does your audio continue to play?
[04:18] <slestak> cant tel yet, im doing another reboot
[04:19] <slestak> i may need to go back to vga input
[04:20] <defendguin> hey is there a way to flush the program guide data and download a fresh copy?
[04:21] <jesse> i know it does it on its own every so often
[04:21] <jesse> dunno how to force it
[04:23] <defendguin> bummer the cable company changed the cable lineup and i noticed its updated on the schedules direct site but my box still has outdated channel line up
[04:23] <jesse> i think my router is blocking schedules
[04:23] <jesse> :(
[04:23] <jesse> any chance u know what ports it uses?
[04:24] <defendguin> nope
[04:25] <slestak> i wonder if the hdmi input could be drm'd up and be blocking hte hd into the tv.  worked on vga, just not into hdmi
[04:28] <jesse> dunno man
[04:31] <slestak> going back to vga input
[04:31] <jesse> this sound thing is pissing me off big time lol
[04:32] <slestak> crap, had he antenna lead off
[04:32] <slestak> ;P
[04:32] <jesse> lol
[04:32] <defendguin> mythfilldatabase --refresh-today  should tell you something jesse
[04:32] <slestak> are you going to use this with a stereo at all?
[04:32] <slestak> or pc speakers jesse?
[04:33] <jesse> i cant get audio out period
[04:33] <jesse> unless i plug it directly into my aux
[04:33] <jesse> but the aux is fed straight out to speakers
[04:33] <jesse> no way to record it
[04:34] <slestak> did you get a book with your card, there is some stuff in mine about "direct to dma" audio
[04:35] <slestak> ok, even with the antenna connected, nothing on hdmi.  i know the mpaa has sth to do with this
[04:35] <slestak> wheres my tin foil hat
[04:36] <jesse> lol
[04:39] <defendguin> frick
[04:41] <slestak> jesse: when ipause, the sound pauses as well. it appears to be in sync
[04:41] <jesse> fuck balls!
[04:41] <jesse> lol
[04:42] <jesse> why wont mine :(
[04:42] <jesse> do you have that audio cable connect to anything inside the pc?
[04:42] <slestak> what in the heck is process apport
[04:42] <slestak> looks like mythfrontend crashed
[04:42] <jesse> is there a cable that connects from the tv tuner to anything?
[04:43] <slestak> i did connect the capture card to the cd-in jumper on the motherboard
[04:44] <jesse> hmm
[04:44] <jesse> maybe thats my prob.. mines connect to the TAD on my sound card
[04:44] <jesse> my sound card doesnt have a CD in.. only TAD and Aux
[04:44] <jesse> maybe i should try to connect directly to my motherboard?
[04:46] <slestak> the cd-in will be on the moptherboard
[04:46] <slestak> i had to look for the manual to find it
[04:48] <jesse> in windows it works w/o it tho ?
[04:48] <slestak> i dont have windows
[04:48] <jesse> well in my windows it will work w/o being connect to the motherboard and i dunno why
[04:50] <jesse> oh shit man!!!!
[04:50] <jesse> IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:50] <jesse> i somehow got it to port the audio thru the pci bus
[04:50] <jesse> dunno what i did but by god it works
[04:50] <jesse> !!!!
[04:51] <jesse> THANK YOU JESUS
[04:51] <jesse> lol
[04:51] <jesse> I think i'm going to install full blown ubuntu tho
[04:51] <jesse> then run myth on that
[04:51] <slestak> ive been tweaking the playback settings and have the cpu usage down.
[04:53] <jesse> kool
[04:53] <jesse> hd looking alright?
[04:53] <slestak> wonder if i need to deinterlace on an lcd hdtv?
[04:54] <slestak> looks better, almost fluid.  not quite as smooteh as id like.  there is a live feed from the kennedy center on, good material for testing
[04:54] <jesse> hmm
[04:54] <jesse> kool
[04:56] <slestak> well, good luck with your rig
[04:56] <slestak> gonna run
[04:57] <defendguin> fuck
[05:01] <defendguin> how canb the channel lineup still be wrong if it is correct on schedules direct
[05:05] <jesse> it hasnt updated to your pc yet
[05:05] <jesse> prolly had an error in it when your machine uploaded it
[05:06] <jesse> then they corrected but your machine has yet to download the corrected version
[05:06] <defendguin> i manually ran a mythfilldatabase  --refresh-all  and it pulled down all new data
[05:09] <lime4x4> has anyonr gotten sirius online to play thru mythtv? i followed this wikki and when i click on the sirius button it dumps the myth box back to the desktop http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Integrate_Sirius
[05:26] <JThundley> if you listen to stern, I record it daily to vorbis, I'll let you in my private stash
[05:28] <lime4x4> i lovr stern. listen to him every morning going to work
[06:50] <MythbuntuGuest43> hi
[06:59] <MythbuntuGuest43> how do i get icons in?
[09:40] <SteveBook> Hi all
[09:40] <SteveBook> I've got a little problem getting mythbuntu to run on my rig
[09:40] <SteveBook> It just hangs at "running local root script (/etc/rc.local)
[09:41] <SteveBook> anyone had that problem before?
[09:42] <SteveBook> it's a P4 2.8, ATI Radeon 9600, 256MB RAM btw
[09:42] <SteveBook> with a SATA hard disk
[13:54] <blkorpheus> need help
[13:54] <blkorpheus> before I file a bug
[15:08] <Seeker`> is there a way to find out what resoution the live TV is running at?
[18:09] <javatexan> maybe, I have found via tivo that there are several resolutions that things are broadcasted in.  I can have tivo set at High Recording for several channels and get several different resolutions from the recorded files.  As I understand it you have 1080i 1080p 480i and 480p and I am not too sure where NTSC and PAL fit into it.
[18:12] <javatexan> hope that helps
[18:41] <rhpot1991> Seeker`: if you check under setup, tv, recording profiles
[18:42] <rhpot1991> then chose your recorder and live tv
[18:42] <rhpot1991> you can set it under there
[18:46] <blkorpheus> need some assistance with myth-backend
[18:46] <rhpot1991> !ask
[18:46] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[18:53] <blkorpheus> that was a statement, but anyway
[18:53] <rhpot1991> still applies
[18:53] <rhpot1991> ask your question so people can see it
[18:53] <blkorpheus> the myth-backend is telling me I don't have permissions, my record folder does not exists
[18:53] <blkorpheus> all erroneous
[18:54] <rhpot1991> does a recordings folder exist with permissions for the user running myth-backend to write to?
[18:54] <blkorpheus> and then it dies. I can run it by itself from term, and it stays running, but the script dies, mentioning the non-existant nfslock fike?
[18:55] <blkorpheus> rhpot1991, yes
[18:55] <blkorpheus> I moved it from the default location, because of hd space
[18:55] <rhpot1991> and you are sure you changed the location in mythtv-setup?
[18:56] <blkorpheus> google reveals others have resolved the issue simply deleting the nfs lock fle
[18:56] <blkorpheus> positive
[18:56] <blkorpheus> thats why when it said the directory does not exist, I'm looking at it
[18:57] <blkorpheus> with the same files it recorded to, when run from term
[18:57] <blkorpheus> I can't find a bug for it, and did not want to file until sure it is not user error
[18:58] <blkorpheus> Permission denied Unable to open lockfile!, the file is long gone
[18:58] <blkorpheus> :(
[18:58]  * blkorpheus weeping
[18:59] <blkorpheus> :-P
[18:59] <blkorpheus> is myhth keeping old data somewhere?
[18:59] <rhpot1991> what if you make a new empty lock file?
[18:59] <blkorpheus> tried that
[18:59] <blkorpheus> no dice
[19:00] <blkorpheus> same errrot
[19:00] <blkorpheus> error
[19:00] <rhpot1991> not really sure
[19:00] <rhpot1991> checked the user mailing list?
[19:00] <blkorpheus> only what google came back with
[19:00] <blkorpheus> some guy had the same issue, and they just glossed over it
[19:01] <blkorpheus> also on the ubuntu forums, for mythbuntu project, another with the issue, and no resolve for me
[19:01] <blkorpheus> I even renamed the folder
[19:01] <javatexan> I fixed that with the INFAMOUS sudo chmod -R 777 /directory trick
[19:01] <blkorpheus> I'd hate to put it backto default
[19:01] <javatexan> it was the only way I could do it
[19:01] <blkorpheus> did that
[19:02] <javatexan> did you restart?
[19:02] <blkorpheus> mythtv is the owner and group for everything related
[19:02] <blkorpheus> -R
[19:02] <blkorpheus> its driving me up a wall
[19:03] <javatexan> you are using mythbuntu?
[19:04] <javatexan> who is autologging in to the system, mythtv or your user
[19:04] <javatexan> my user is logging into mine
[19:05] <blkorpheus> its a ubuntu box I installed mythtv on
[19:05] <blkorpheus> my user logs in
[19:06] <blkorpheus> I can only run myth with sudo or root running mythbackend
[19:06] <blkorpheus> I'd like to stop doing it that way
[19:06] <rhpot1991> that shouldn't happen
[19:06] <rhpot1991> when you say myth you mean the back or frontend?
[19:07] <blkorpheus> but just now, I started mythbackend via root, and the backend runs flawless. It creates a new nfslock file with root permissions on it, but see the record folder fine, and works as supposed.
[19:07] <blkorpheus> backend
[19:07] <rhpot1991> you should be staring myth with sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
[19:07] <blkorpheus> of course
[19:07] <blkorpheus> thats why I'm upset
[19:07] <rhpot1991> it will also automagically start like that on boot
[19:08] <blkorpheus> the script starts, then dies, talking about permissions etc
[19:08] <blkorpheus> I understand how its supposed to work, but it is not
[19:11] <javatexan> remember it all depends on who created the directories
[19:12] <rhpot1991> root should have access though, unless you really did something funky
[19:13] <blkorpheus> changed it back to the default directory, the script starts and the backend does not fail
[19:13] <blkorpheus> ah dios mio
[19:14] <blkorpheus> new nfslockfile.lock but wth mythtv user and group 644?
[19:17] <blkorpheus> octal permissions 2775
[19:31] <javatexan> thats why you have to be sudo to do it
[20:28] <MythbuntuGuest79> I have used vnc (read vino) to connect one computer running gnome to another. I am not sure how to set anything up though when running gnome on one computer and mythbuntu on the other. I have enabled vnc in the mythbuntu set up but thats all I have.
[20:29] <Dr_willis> I normally install vnc4server
[20:30] <Dr_willis> im not sure what enabling vnc on the mythubuntu setup does actually. Never tried that.
[20:30] <Dr_willis> watching videos over vnc.. is not doable I am thinking.
[20:33] <MythbuntuGuest79> I just want to be able to use it when I need to move files around and that kind of thing. I just need a basic gui but no video support
[20:37] <Dr_willis> I would say install a light window manager. or use whatever the default is.. ssh in, start 'vnc4server' connect with any vnc client.  do what you want..
[20:37] <Dr_willis> No need to use vino/gnome.
[20:37] <Dr_willis> Or use mc in the terminal for a nice file manager if you dont like the cli commands.
[20:38] <Dr_willis> i normally have a vncserver session going - so i can connect to the box's and do things. :)
[20:38] <Dr_willis> its best to use a very light window manager for vnc.  I use jwm.
[20:38] <MythbuntuGuest79> is there a how to on that some where you could link me to? I know nothing about ssh
[20:38] <Dr_willis> ssh is documented at 100000000000000's of web sites
[20:39] <Dr_willis> ssh remotebox
[20:39] <Dr_willis> get a shell.. there ya go. :)
[20:39] <Dr_willis> run vnc4server if you want, or mc, or do the file managing from the shell.
[20:39] <Dr_willis> You have to install the sshd server package, its not installed by default
[20:39] <Dr_willis> !find ssh
[20:39] <ubotu> Found: aolserver4-nssha1, autossh, clusterssh, crosshurd, dpsyco-ssh (and 28 others)
[20:40] <Dr_willis> !find sshd
[20:40] <ubotu> File sshd found in apparmor-profiles, gradm, logwatch, openssh-server
[20:42] <pdragon> it's that last one
[20:42] <pdragon> openssh-server
[20:43] <MythbuntuGuest79> openssh-server  is installed
[20:43] <Dr_willis> Yep. I never can rember the name. :)
[20:43] <Dr_willis> install vnc4server
[20:44] <Dr_willis> then run it.. it will make a .vnc/xstartup file. Kill vnc4server with vncserver --kill:1  edit xstartup as you like.. rerun the server. connect with any client. :)
[20:44] <Dr_willis> for some ODD reason I think the default xstartup still tries to run 'twm' which is not instaled by default.
[20:48] <Dr_willis> doh.. its vncserver -kill:1          using 2 -- will makeit spawn yet another vnc session
[20:50] <MythbuntuGuest79> ok it said it created a startup script when I ran the set up. so to connect would I just type vncviewer media-center:1
[20:53] <Dr_willis> Yep.
[20:53] <Dr_willis> You might want to tweak the xstartup script however.
[20:53] <blkorpheus> nice move to release alpha 3 ubuntu in time for kde4 releases
[20:53] <Dr_willis> kde4 is not running good for me under vnc. :) i gotta go to the basement and try it out soon
[20:55] <MythbuntuGuest79> ok I got an error  unable to connect to host: No route to host (113)
[20:55] <Dr_willis> can you ping the machine?
[20:56] <Dr_willis> You may need to use its ip# not the host name.. Unless your hosts file is set up properly
[20:56] <Dr_willis> you also may want to check the vnc logs. Just in case it did try to run twm, which wasent there.
[20:57] <Dr_willis> Going to the Basement.. be back in a few.
[21:03] <Dr_willis_> There we go.
[21:05] <MythbuntuGuest79> ok it helps to have the network cable plugged in all the way. I am getting a  unable to connect to host: No route to host (113) I need to put in the password. Where do I do that?
[21:09] <MythbuntuGuest79> ok I am not sure what I did but it gave my a pop up password box. I think something was messed up. I am going to restart and see if that fixes.
[21:10] <Dr_willis_> the vncviewer should pop up a dialog asking
[21:10] <Dr_willis_> check your xstartup file and the vncserver logs also (in the .vnc dir)
[21:20] <MythbuntuGuest79> ok now it is not taking my password. what file is the passowrd saved in or how can I change it?
[21:22] <Dr_willis_>  vncpasswd
[21:23] <Dr_willis_> the passwprd is stored in .vnc/passwd it seems
[21:25] <MythbuntuGuest79> ok I logged in again and I get a almost blank screen http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/4373/screenshotxe8.png
[21:26] <Dr_willis_> Did you set up the xstartup to run somthing other then twm? Check the vncserver logs in .vnc?
[21:28] <MythbuntuGuest79> ok mythbuntu seems to have no program that can read a .log what program should I be using to veiw them?
[21:29] <Dr_willis_> its a text file..
[21:29] <Dr_willis_> like 99% of all logs and config files. :)
[21:30] <Dr_willis_> more whatever.log
[21:30] <MythbuntuGuest79> I have used .logs with ubuntu.
[21:31] <Dr_willis_> check the xstartup file also. see what its running.
[21:39] <MythbuntuGuest79> I am still trying to figure out a program in mythbuntu that will open these.
[21:40] <Dr_willis_> they are text files. use any text editor. or the more command.
[21:41] <Dr_willis_> Install your fave editor if you want.
[21:41] <Dr_willis_> or use the cat command from a terminal if you want.
[21:46] <MythbuntuGuest79> ok this might be a problem in the xstartup it has the entry xsetroot -solid grey
[21:57] <Dr_willis_> look below that line and see what window manager its running.
[21:58] <Dr_willis_> if its running twm and twm is not installed then you wont have a window manager, or muchof a desktop
[21:58] <Dr_willis_> if it Is running twm. and you have twm.. well.. twm is so minimal.. its hard to get used to.
[22:00] <Dr_willis_> xsetroot -solid grey is just setting a solid grey color wallpaper.
[22:02] <MythbuntuGuest79> hmm I wonder what it could be then. at the top of that file it says uncomment the following lines for a normal desktop I did that and I get a screen that is totally blank.
[22:03] <Dr_willis_> my standard xstartup is like the following.. 3 lines total.
[22:03] <Dr_willis_> xsetroot -solid grey &
[22:03] <Dr_willis_> xterm &
[22:03] <Dr_willis_> jwm
[22:04] <Dr_willis_> i have installed jwm. and that is the widnow manager i am using for vnc.
[22:04] <Dr_willis_> I dont know what exact lines are in your config file.
[22:04] <Dr_willis_> i DONT uncomment the 2 lines they mention at the top. That  makes the vncserver spawn your default desktop (i think)
[22:05] <Dr_willis_> When you make changes to the xstartup file. Your eally should kill the currently running vncserver and restart it. just changing the file does not affect any running servers
[22:11] <MythbuntuGuest79> I killed it. I still have a blank screen. it is kind of a cross hatch look. could it be a color setting?
[22:13] <Dr_willis_> thats what the xsetroot command removes.
[22:13] <Dr_willis_> if you uncommented the first 2 lines.. the lines after those - i dont think EVER get read.
[22:13] <Dr_willis_> # exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc   - will reroute to xinitrc, anything past that line is ignored.
[22:14] <Dr_willis_> and i got no idea if using xinitrc is a good idea or not.
[22:14] <Dr_willis_> all xinitrc does is run --> . /etc/X11/Xsession
[22:16] <Dr_willis_> From here.. uncommenting those lines.. makes nothing run. So i would say comment them back. and manually confuigure what you want ran.
[22:19] <MythbuntuGuest79> ok what do I need to do to manually configure it?
[22:19] <Dr_willis_> Make it run the winow manager you want to run.
[22:19] <Dr_willis_> like the example i gave above.
[22:20] <Dr_willis_> sudo apt-get install jwm
[22:20] <Dr_willis_> then set the last line to be 'exec jwm' or just 'jwm' instead of twm.
[22:24] <lime4x4> what is the trick to connecting to a remote backend? I have mythbuntu running the frontend and backend i installed mythtv on my gutsy box used the address of the mythtv box and password but when i start the mythtv frontend on gutsy it won't connect to the mythbuntu box
[22:26] <Dr_willis_> well i think for one. You beed to ahve the proper ip# in the mythtv-setup
[22:27] <lime4x4> i did 192.168.1.10
[22:27] <lime4x4> when i start mythtv from a shell it's not connecting to the data base
[22:27] <Dr_willis_> Im going from memory here.. so i may be wrojkg. but theres 2 places for the ip#. one is 127.0.0.1 i thoight. that needs to be change4d for the frontendsd to see it.
[22:28] <lime4x4> QMYSQL3: Unable to connect
[22:28] <lime4x4> Database error was:
[22:28] <lime4x4> Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.10' (111)
[22:28] <Dr_willis_> That sounds like your mysql password may be wrong.
[22:29] <MythbuntuGuest79> ok that worked. I am not a big fan of that though. Is there any way to let it use xfce?
[22:29] <Dr_willis_> MythbuntuGuest79,    instead of 'exec jwm' or whatever.. make it load whatever starts up xfce
[22:29] <MythbuntuGuest78> hello
[22:29] <lime4x4> well i did change it to match the one used on the mythtv backend server thru the mythtv frontend on the gutsy box
[22:30] <Dr_willis_> which seems to be the  startxfce4  command. :)
[22:30] <lime4x4> QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
[22:30] <lime4x4> QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
[22:30] <lime4x4> 2008-01-11 17:25:59.250 DB Error (KickDatabase):
[22:30] <lime4x4> Query was:
[22:30] <lime4x4> SELECT NULL;
[22:30] <lime4x4> No error type from QSqlError?  Strange...
[22:30] <lime4x4> 2008-01-11 17:26:01.728 Unable to connect to database!
[22:30] <lime4x4> 2008-01-11 17:26:01.728 Driver error was [1/2003]:
[22:30] <lime4x4> QMYSQL3: Unable to connect
[22:30] <lime4x4> Database error was:
[22:30] <lime4x4> Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.10' (111)
[22:31] <lime4x4> do i have to forwrd any ports on the router? I don't think i have to cause it's all local traffic
[22:32] <Dr_willis_> There may be some mysql settings to allow other machines to access it.
[22:32] <MythbuntuGuest79> Is there a standard command for xfce4? How do I figure that out?
[22:32] <Dr_willis_> I suck at MySQL.
[22:32] <lime4x4> yeah i checked that in the mcc control panel
[22:32] <Dr_willis_> MythbuntuGuest78,  ---------> which seems to be the  startxfce4  command. :)
[22:32] <Dr_willis_> MythbuntuGuest79,  ---------> which seems to be the  startxfce4  command. :)
[22:32] <Dr_willis_> :)
[22:33] <MythbuntuGuest78> ?
[22:33]  * Dr_willis_ tells the various people that the command /nick PickANewNick  - will change your Nickname to smmthing a bit more readable.
[22:34] <Dr_willis_> The command to start the default xfce desktop is 'startxfce4'
[22:34] <Dr_willis_> :)
[22:34] <Simminator> i have a couple of questions
[22:35] <Simminator> i downloaded the latest release of mythbuntu and am trying to run the install on a box i built
[22:35] <lime4x4> i used sudo apt-get install mythtv on the gusty box
[22:35] <Simminator> the installer hits the point of realizing LIRC (i dont know what LIRC is) and says its not configured
[22:37] <Simminator> well i have the latest release of ubuntu installed on a different drive and it runs mythtv just fine
[22:37] <Simminator> so i know that the box is capable of running ubuntu and mythtv, but i wanted to see if i could get mythbuntu running
[22:38] <Dr_willis_> I just normally intall Mythubuntu, then install whatever other parts of ubuntu i want.
[22:39] <Simminator> thats just my problem
[22:39] <Dr_willis_> I think on this box  i installed mythubuntu, then isntalled ubuntu-desktop. and kubuntu-desktop
[22:39] <Simminator> i cant get mythbuntu installed
[22:39] <Dr_willis_> on the Frontend box. I just used mythubuntu, and followed its little wizard I think.
[22:40] <MythbuntuGuest79> ok I cahnged jwm to startxfce4 and It gives me terminal session with no window borders or anything.
[22:41] <Simminator> ok
[22:46] <Dr_willis_> looks like startxfce4 tries to spawn a new X session.. odd for it to do things that way
[22:48] <Dr_willis_> guess you could run    xfwm4 &  and  xfce4-panel   from the xstartup file
[22:50] <MythbuntuGuest79> so I should change startxfce4 to xfwm4 &  and  xfce4-panel ?
[22:52] <Xenocide> hey guys can anyone help me in setting up a remote wonder Ii remote
[22:53] <Dr_willis_> MythbuntuGuest79,  thats one way. you may want to run some other xfce related tools also. Be sure to use & after all but the last one, which should be starting the panel or window manager.
[22:57] <MythbuntuGuest79> what kind of tools? This is my first run with xfce4. I changed jwm to xfce4-panel and that almost worked. I had my applications bar up top but none of the programs would launch. adding xfwm4 to that made the caused tha app bar to not show up.
[23:06] <Dr_willis_> the panel is one tool. the window maanger itself is another tool. I dont use xfce, so not sure what else should be ran
[23:09] <Dr_willis_> it looke like the startxfce4 script eventually runs /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc  You could just try running  /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc   from your xstartup
[23:10] <lime4x4> do i have to something else to the remote backend?
[23:10] <lime4x4> QMYSQL3: Unable to connect
[23:10] <lime4x4> Database error was:
[23:10] <lime4x4> Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'192.168.1.151' (using password: YES)
[23:21] <MythbuntuGuest79> Thanks Dr willis I got it working.
[23:21] <Dr_willis_> MythbuntuGuest79,  the last part of the /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc , has about 4 commands that seems to be ran for a normal xfce desktop.
[23:22] <Dr_willis_> You cant run the acript directly however. - i copied it to a differ file. and edited out all the cruft.
[23:23] <Dr_willis_> xfce-mcs-manager & xfwm4 --daemon & xfdesktop &  and xfce4-panel   - seem togive a full Xfce desktop