| tedg | So, the synaptics driver has this feature where it's supposed to read changes do the xorg.conf file. | 00:29 |
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| tedg | How does that work? Can all the drivers work that way? Do they? | 00:30 |
| tedg | Does xorg.conf get parsed for every driver? | 00:30 |
| bryce | tjaalton: apparently bdmurray was planning on scheduling a bug hug day for xorg next week, but between our efforts, our untriaged bug count dropped too low. heh. | 00:30 |
| bryce | tedg: that might be a Q for mjg | 00:32 |
| bryce | that may be the hack he did during Gutsy to get the touchpad configuration stuff working nicely | 00:32 |
| tedg | I was more curious from the perspective of, can I put it on the TODO list to have the wacom driver do it ;) | 00:34 |
| tedg | I'd really like plug'n'play tablet support. | 00:34 |
| bryce | tedg: I believe that's in the pipeline, if it's not available already in hardy | 00:37 |
| tedg | It didn't work for me in Hardy if it's supposed to. | 00:48 |
| tedg | The only thing I had to do is comment some xorg.conf options though. | 00:48 |
| tedg | Now it works really well. I unplugged my mouse. | 00:48 |
| bryce | ohh, I think I recall seeing a bug about interference between mouse and synaptics | 01:09 |
| ubotu | New bug: #181914 in xorg (main) "default X configuration assumes wacom hardware" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181914 | 02:11 |
| pwnguin | ^ doesn't hardy drop xorg.conf by default? | 03:42 |
| ubotu | New bug: #181935 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "package xorg-driver-fglrx 8.443.1-1 failed to install/upgrade: intentando sobreescribir `/usr/bin/amdcccle', que está también en el paquete fglrx-amdcccle" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181935 | 05:45 |
| ubotu | New bug: #181943 in xorg (main) "[Gutsy] X11 random crash," [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181943 | 07:15 |
| tjaalton | bryce: hehe | 07:20 |
| tjaalton | pwnguin: no | 07:20 |
| tjaalton | oh I love those "random crash" bugs | 07:26 |
| pwnguin | well my crash is clearly repeatable | 07:39 |
| bryce | "Hey, I'm having a random crash, can you fix? kthxbye" | 07:55 |
| pwnguin | well, at least you're paying attention | 07:56 |
| pwnguin | i havent been able to get any results from filing a bug upstream | 07:56 |
| tjaalton | pwnguin: ah the xkbLeds bug? | 08:00 |
| tjaalton | *LED | 08:00 |
| pwnguin | yea | 08:02 |
| pwnguin | im not sure how to fix the code, as where it appears is dead simple, but i have no idea where all the code that produced the null pointer is called from | 08:04 |
| tjaalton | pwnguin: you might have better luck with #xorg-devel :) | 08:18 |
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| tjaalton | mvo: there was this strange upgrade failure where xserver-xorg-core.list got strangely corrupted (with data which looks like from Packages file).. is it something that warrants further investigation? | 13:39 |
| tjaalton | bug 181530 | 13:40 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 181530 in xkbset "package xkbset None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/xkbset.list] failed to install/upgrade: il file con la lista dei file del pacchetto `xserver-xorg-core' contiene un filename vuoto" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181530 | 13:40 |
| ubotu | New bug: #182003 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "nvidia driver unable to load on clean 7.10 install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182003 | 13:40 |
| tjaalton | reinstalling xserver-xorg-core helped there | 13:40 |
| mvo | tjaalton: if its a isolated thing, then its likely that its some HW issue on the machine, most corruptions on the dpkg level seems to be caused by bad ram | 13:40 |
| mvo | tjaalton: (this is the dpkg level) | 13:41 |
| tjaalton | ok, I'll close it then, and ask the reporter to run memtest | 13:41 |
| mvo | thanks | 13:42 |
| tjaalton | thanks | 13:42 |
| tjaalton | :) | 13:42 |
| mvo | tjaalton: just to confirm, we will not get a new xserver for hardy that support redirected direct rendering? that means under compiz we have all the nice glx artifacts ? | 13:46 |
| tjaalton | right | 13:47 |
| tjaalton | it would touch too many pkaces | 13:47 |
| mvo | meh, ok. thanks. that means the compiz team needs to think about some stragegy to deal with it | 13:47 |
| tjaalton | places | 13:47 |
| tjaalton | I think this was discussed at UDS | 13:48 |
| Ng | I just upgraded my gutsy laptop to hardy and I've noticed X is using EXA by default now (intel driver, 855gm chipset), but some things feel a lot slower | 14:43 |
| Ng | scrolling specifically | 14:43 |
| tjaalton | yep' | 14:43 |
| tjaalton | see bug 177492 :) | 14:43 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 177492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "EXA is balls-achingly slow" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177492 | 14:43 |
| Ng | haha, nice subject | 14:45 |
| tjaalton | so, put 'Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"' to the driver section for now | 14:46 |
| Ng | now I have to write a driver section! ;) | 14:47 |
| Ng | but ta. shame that the fix won't be able to be in hardy, but nevermind | 14:47 |
| Ng | I noticed a comment on that bug about losing video with XAA - do they mean Xv? | 14:47 |
| Ng | that used to work ok in gutsy with XAA | 14:48 |
| jcristau | with compiz? | 14:48 |
| Ng | well ;) | 14:48 |
| tjaalton | it's the other way around, and only with 965 I think | 14:48 |
| Ng | actually it did kind of work with compiz, but it was entirely black&white for some reason | 14:48 |
| Ng | I never really dug into that one | 14:48 |
| jcristau | (i guess compiz on i855 would probably be balls-achingly slow anyway) | 14:48 |
| tjaalton | oh, I don't know what keybuk refers to | 14:48 |
| tjaalton | ah | 14:49 |
| Ng | jcristau: not so much | 14:49 |
| Ng | jcristau: sure the thing isn't going to be playing quake3 any time soon, but a sane selection of compiz plugins is actually pretty speedy, mostly because it's only doing 1024x768 I suspect | 14:49 |
| jcristau | ok, cool | 14:49 |
| Ng | yeah much faster back in XAA, but Xv is entirely broken now | 15:02 |
| tjaalton | ok, so it's not just 965 :/ | 15:03 |
| Ng | gstreamer-properties died from a BadAlloc error when I ran the test | 15:03 |
| tjaalton | nice.. | 15:04 |
| Ng | much as I like xv, I have a tiny screen that I almost never use for video anyway, and I scroll an awful lot | 15:13 |
| Ng | so scrolling wins ;) | 15:13 |
| tjaalton | does video work without Xv | 15:13 |
| tjaalton | ? | 15:13 |
| Ng | yep | 15:17 |
| tjaalton | cool | 15:18 |
| Ng | I'll try and remember to flip back to EXA quickly to make sure that video works there too | 15:18 |
| tjaalton | right, at least cirrus doesn't start in the new world order | 17:35 |
| tjaalton | "Mode pool is empty" | 17:35 |
| ubotu | New bug: #182062 in xmodmap "IBM Thinkpad T61 key slash/question doenst works in Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182062 | 17:45 |
| tjaalton | it needs modelines, which seems a bit odd | 17:49 |
| tjaalton | modelines, defaultdepth and Modes, duh | 17:55 |
| pwnguin | well crap, xorg-devel is like half ubuntu devs | 21:06 |
| bryce | heh | 21:10 |
| bryce | you say that like it's a bad thing...? ;-) | 21:10 |
| pwnguin | also bryce, i read your blog | 21:11 |
| pwnguin | on the subject of library versions and fixes, why not use branches? | 21:12 |
| pwnguin | you've already migrated to bzr | 21:12 |
| pwnguin | for inkscape | 21:12 |
| bryce | no we still use svn | 21:13 |
| bryce | we only migrated the bug tracker | 21:13 |
| pwnguin | oh | 21:13 |
| bryce | we have used branches in the past, but find they grow stale and don't get adequate testing. | 21:13 |
| pwnguin | well, it still has "very cheap branching" | 21:13 |
| pwnguin | ;) | 21:13 |
| pwnguin | well, that'd sorta be the point | 21:14 |
| bryce | to not get adequate testing? | 21:14 |
| pwnguin | dev branch updates the libraries | 21:14 |
| pwnguin | the other branches would attempt to pull in fixes without touching version dependencies | 21:14 |
| pwnguin | the other branches would naturally die off as people prefer to simply update lib dependencies | 21:15 |
| pwnguin | it'd be easier to do with bazaar, if it lets you track distro patches | 21:17 |
| bryce | could be | 21:20 |
| bryce | I suspect it's more likely we'd move to git than bzr, but currently it sounds like most developers favor staying with the status quo, | 21:20 |
| bryce | we've set up svn->bzr and svn->git interfaces, so those passionate about git and bzr are fairly happy, and those who wish to stick with svn are happy | 21:21 |
| bryce | I would expect changing at this point would result in some becoming unhappy, and few becoming more happy than they already are | 21:21 |
| monkee_of_evil | Allo | 21:22 |
| monkee_of_evil | Has anyone had any luck here getting a triple monitor setup working with Ubuntu? | 21:23 |
| bryce | I'd like to see us move to bzr, but don't really have a strong preference; I've not gathered sufficient convincing arguments to make me want to push for it yet | 21:23 |
| bryce | monkee_of_evil: I have had some limited successes | 21:23 |
| monkee_of_evil | I've got these 2 widescreen acer monitors and a single Sceptre monitor ( none-widescreen ) | 21:24 |
| pwnguin | i suppose it just makes more sense in the general perspective; if you have bzr/git and binary distros using your stuff -- you can keep lib version ifdefs out of the tree | 21:24 |
| bryce | monkee_of_evil: If you're using Feisty or earlier Ubuntu, you can use Xinerama to do it | 21:24 |
| monkee_of_evil | I'm on Gutsy | 21:24 |
| bryce | monkee_of_evil: however from Gutsy forward, most drivers have switched to xrandr, which does not handle multiple graphics cards so well | 21:24 |
| monkee_of_evil | damn | 21:24 |
| bryce | it won't be 'til Hardy+1 that the issue is straightened out | 21:24 |
| pwnguin | i havent really used either bzr or git | 21:24 |
| tjaalton | well, ati and intel | 21:24 |
| tjaalton | and experimental mga | 21:25 |
| pwnguin | matrox? | 21:25 |
| tjaalton | rigt | 21:25 |
| tjaalton | +h | 21:25 |
| bryce | tjaalton: and nv since g80 | 21:25 |
| tjaalton | yep | 21:25 |
| monkee_of_evil | Yeah... I've got an older ATI dualy & an onboard intel chipset | 21:25 |
| tjaalton | but nvidia binary can do silly stuff | 21:25 |
| bryce | monkee_of_evil: I have gotten triple screen working with non-merged displays | 21:25 |
| bryce | so like you have :0.0 and :0.1 | 21:25 |
| bryce | that was on -ati, and I found it too buggy to actually use (mouse would get stuck, etc.) | 21:26 |
| monkee_of_evil | hmm | 21:26 |
| bryce | that was on Gutsy with -ati 195 iirc; it might have gotten better since | 21:26 |
| tjaalton | ati upstream supports zaphod mode again | 21:26 |
| monkee_of_evil | It will automatically do it's thing and clone my desktop to the two widescreens in Gutsy | 21:26 |
| tjaalton | so it should work on current hardy | 21:27 |
| monkee_of_evil | What sucks for me is that I've got that RV700 or some crap for my ATI card, so the official binaries don't work | 21:27 |
| bryce | http://bryceharrington.org/Photos/X/ | 21:27 |
| monkee_of_evil | I tried configuring X to get it going and the only thing i can make it do is show a black screen for 2/3 of the screen on my center monitor ( the one plugged into the intel card ) then for the rest of the screen you see these multi-color stripes | 21:29 |
| monkee_of_evil | and you can see this blurr where the mouse moves | 21:29 |
| monkee_of_evil | then on the wide screens both of them are blank except for the top left where it shows the part numbers of the monitor | 21:29 |
| monkee_of_evil | It's the weirdest thing | 21:29 |
| monkee_of_evil | can't wait for better monitor support | 21:30 |
| monkee_of_evil | Bryce: nice screenshots | 21:31 |
| monkee_of_evil | err | 21:31 |
| monkee_of_evil | pictures actually | 21:31 |
| monkee_of_evil | but w/e | 21:31 |
| bryce | w/e ? | 21:32 |
| pwnguin | w/e is often "whatever" | 21:33 |
| * bryce shrugs | 21:33 | |
| monkee_of_evil | pwnguin got it | 21:33 |
| pwnguin | more importantly, that's gnome+konsole | 21:33 |
| pwnguin | and.. xmms? | 21:34 |
| bryce | pwnguin: if you're trying to give me a hard time, won't work ;-) | 21:36 |
| monkee_of_evil | I like xmms | 21:37 |
| pwnguin | i think if you try harder, you could put in an enlightenment app too ;) | 21:37 |
| monkee_of_evil | Fluxbox ftw | 21:37 |
| monkee_of_evil | :) | 21:37 |
| pwnguin | xmms is like the worst of all worlds. terrible UI that mimics winamp. horrible playlist UI, weak playlist tools... | 21:38 |
| tjaalton | and yet something that actually worked all these years :) | 21:38 |
| pwnguin | thats about all it has =( | 21:39 |
| tjaalton | heh | 21:39 |
| bryce | if you must know, I used to use KDE, and wrote scripts to automate konsole placement using dcop. I've since rewritten the code for gnome-term, but those photos were taken before that. | 21:39 |
| pwnguin | interesting. is the placemnt script a matter of which screen? | 21:40 |
| bryce | I've tried both KDE and GNOME music apps and generally find them inadequate | 21:40 |
| monkee_of_evil | yeah.. I fucking hate Rythmbox | 21:40 |
| monkee_of_evil | Listen isn't much better | 21:40 |
| bryce | I put in a bunch of bugs on rhythmbox before giving up on it | 21:40 |
| monkee_of_evil | Too bad foobar doesn't run natively | 21:41 |
| monkee_of_evil | although it runs decently under wine | 21:41 |
| tjaalton | I used KDE in -98 when I installed linux (SuSE 5.3) for the first time | 21:41 |
| bryce | pwnguin: no, my set up has a virtual screen so I just specify the x,y coordinates that'd put them on the right screen | 21:42 |
| bryce | it's pretty trial-and-error, and different for KDE and GNOME | 21:42 |
| pwnguin | anyways, i didnt mean to start an involved flamewar, just poking some fun ;) | 21:42 |
| bryce | :-P | 21:42 |
| tjaalton | I use rb happily at work, but it's far from perfect | 21:43 |
| bryce | I'm just irritable due to all the UME stuff at the moment, don't mind me | 21:43 |
| tjaalton | hehe | 21:43 |
| pwnguin | tjaalton: i wish it would let me choose a different playlist to default to on startup | 21:43 |
| pwnguin | i filed a wishlist bug in LP and someone appears to have run with it, we'll see where that goes | 21:43 |
| tjaalton | ah, I just plug in my iPod and let it play random | 21:44 |
| pwnguin | i dont own one of those | 21:44 |
| pwnguin | but its nice to be able to filter by rating etc | 21:44 |
| tjaalton | I got it just because it's the only brand that has any sort of gadgets for cars | 21:44 |
| tjaalton | http://www.last.fm/user/tepsipakki | 21:45 |
| pwnguin | i actually used rhythmbox to come up with a playlist for my crappy car stereo to put on CD | 21:45 |
| pwnguin | 700 megs of mp3s at bitrate 300 or less sorted by rating | 21:45 |
| tjaalton | now I use banshee to sync the iPod, and the next version should finally fix the UI so I can choose by genre | 21:46 |
| bryce | dah, LP is going offline | 22:21 |
| jcristau | tjaalton: will you report the bug about i810preinit not setting depth to 16 to bugzilla, or shall i? | 22:24 |
| tjaalton | jcristau: you can do it, it was your idea anyway :) | 22:26 |
| tjaalton | jbarnes knows about it already though | 22:27 |
| jcristau | yeah i've read that | 22:27 |
| tjaalton | right, he'd prefer to have the patch on b.fd.o | 22:28 |
| jcristau | a bz report is safer than a mention on irc :) | 22:28 |
| tjaalton | of course, and you can't track bugs outside bz | 22:28 |
| tjaalton | er, patches | 22:28 |
| tjaalton | or both actually | 22:28 |
| tjaalton | ffs, launchpad maintenance break | 22:29 |
| jcristau | tjaalton: what's your bz email again? | 22:40 |
| tjaalton | tjaalton+freedeskto at cc.hut.fi | 22:40 |
| tjaalton | freedesktoP | 22:40 |
| jcristau | thx | 22:43 |
| jcristau | there. #14032 | 22:44 |
| tjaalton | thanks | 22:44 |
| jcristau | np | 22:44 |
| tjaalton | so you tried it as well? | 22:45 |
| jcristau | didn't have time to test the patch yet, no | 22:45 |
| tjaalton | well, it works | 22:45 |
| jcristau | but i don't see why it wouldn't work when X -depth 16 does | 22:46 |
| jcristau | pretty busy at work this week, plus my debian time was taken by other stuff... | 22:47 |
| tjaalton | don't worry, a couple of guys already proved it working :) | 22:48 |
| jcristau | cool | 22:49 |
| tjaalton | woohoo, at least one bug fixed by switching to openchrome, bug 180841 | 22:56 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 180841 in mesa "glXDestroyContext causes segmentation fault with Via Unichrome graphics" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180841 | 22:57 |
| bryce | nice | 23:08 |
| tjaalton | although it was quite unclear which version he was using before, and I think via/openchrome both share the same mesa driver | 23:09 |
| ubotu | New bug: #182100 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "ATI Catalyst 7.12 conflict with Screen Resolution" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182100 | 23:59 |
| tjaalton | sigh | 23:59 |
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