=== uga_ is now known as uga === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [00:37] hrmm, strigi doesn't work with our packages? [00:41] nixternal: that's a good thing, right? [00:41] I don't think so. I had it working fine when I was building from SVN [00:42] strigi, soprano, and nepomuk were working as they should be === nivek_ is now known as nivek [00:54] nixternal: hi, is that tomorrow 11 cet or utc? [00:54] utc probably [00:54] toma: UTC [00:54] toma: 12:00 cet usually [00:54] mtg tomorrow? [00:54] yup [00:54] 11 UTC [00:55] hrm waht time is that for you? [00:55] * Jucato can't be there :( [00:55] moin btw [00:55] evening jussi01 [00:55] doh [00:55] moirning Jucato [00:55] lol :) [00:55] Jucato: you missed the KDe4 rush [00:56] hm? [00:56] I was there [00:56] nosredna_ekim: have you ever compiled python-kde4 yourself? [00:56] mhb: nope [00:56] I hate compiling things on my own ;) [00:56] nosredna_ekim: hm, nevermind then [00:57] mhb, nixternal: thanks, maybe i'll be around [00:57] * nixternal kicks Kubuntu KDE 4.0 [00:57] oh another 6am meeting [00:57] nosredna_ekim: it alway starts compiling, eats up all resources and then just keeps doing something but gcc does not move [00:57] where is my Nepomuk Control Center module? [00:57] yeah... compiling python does that [00:58] nosredna_ekim: ah, so I guess I let it continue [00:58] here it is 2am ... [00:58] i love the look of the kubuntu kde4 live cd :) [00:58] its beautiful [01:01] jjesse_: is it somehow different from the KDE4 look? [01:01] mhb: it looks bettter then what my kde install does [01:11] strigi rocks! [01:14] damn, my inbox index after a few minutes is already 143MB at 22,400 indexed docs [01:24] OK, did we do something with strigi that doesn't allow the daemon to start up or something? [01:25] wasn't it disabled in the past due to 10% cpu usage for some? [01:25] * claydoh looks... [01:26] s/100/10 [01:30] well, I had everything built from the repos and it worked like a champ [01:31] what is the purpose of nepomuk if you can't index the metadata and actually search it? [01:35] I think claydoh was probably referring to the KDE 3 strigi in gutsy.. while nixternal was referring to the KDE 4 one? [01:35] yup [01:36] :) [01:36] I can manually run the daemon [01:36] but it crashes out after a bit it seems [01:36] * Jucato steals kde4's default wallpaper to put on his kde3 [01:36] and I can't find the Nepomuk/Strigi Server Configuration [01:36] yech.. I hate that one. [01:36] * nixternal hates the default wp in kde 4 [01:36] I use the Colorado one [01:37] it is beautiful [01:37] I use the purple maple leaf [01:37] that is a nice one too [01:37] Riddell: you had posted a panoramic image of some mountains and a lake during our last meeting...what happened to that image or where can I get it so I can put it on my desktop? [01:37] that is the most beautiful wally I have ever seen actually [01:38] no wonder you like the colorado one :) [01:38] why is that? [01:38] the colorado one is a very pretty wally [01:38] oh nothing... nvm :) [01:38] makes me want to not work and just stare at it :p [01:38] * Jucato usually just associates "scenes" like those with XP :P [01:39] hmm, colorado ... never gonna see it :o) [01:39] the whole "field and sky" setup [01:39] better put some accessible place in there [01:39] that is because you are a terrorist mhb :p [01:39] my uncle lives in colordao... [01:39] curls on green.. hm.. [01:39] nixternal: yeah, I'm condemned to spend the rest of my life behind bars [01:39] purple maple leaf = Code Poets Dream [01:40] speaking of terrorist...we wanted to prove to a bunch of moes that if we were to say we were going to attack something in the US on either MySpace or Facebook, it would be on TV in 30 minutes with all of our info attached [01:40] because Facebook and MySpace freely hand out your info w/o even second guessing [01:40] mhb: there isn't anything special in the US anyways :p [01:40] just me [01:40] nixternal: did it work? [01:40] that's it [01:40] nosrednaekim: people got scared [01:40] I am like you morons, have you ever heard of free speach [01:41] if the cops come they will see they are stupid and fell for our social experiment [01:41] nixternal: did it really get on TV? [01:41] we didn't do it (yet) :) [01:41] that'd be funny. [01:41] kinda... [01:42] it would be soo neat to have sort of a mass test of this all over the us lol [01:42] untill they declared martial law that is... [01:43] yeah <_< [01:48] they would declare martial law asap [01:49] ooh, soprano 2.0 is out and solid [01:49] * nixternal updates our soprano [01:51] gah [01:51] I haven't looked into those 3: strigi, nepomuk, soprano... [01:51] konqi crashed trying to download it :) [01:51] * Jucato wonders if they have GUI's... [01:51] nepomuk and soprano are frameworks [01:51] strigi has a client, applet, and daemon [01:52] soprano is an RDF storage solution/framework [01:52] nepomuk is the semantic desktop stuff [01:52] ah.. hm.. ok ;) [01:53] Riddell: information update: I'm investigating an crash in krunner, which happens is you don't finish typing an application name, xRaich[o]2x's kopete issue, kopete jabber support doesn't work in gutsy due to missing lib and a weird issue with some kind of xdg stuff in krunner [01:54] oh, and getting the icons show properly :D [01:56] hm, typo day it must be again :P [01:57] damn, someone is on their game...already updated soprano to 2.0 :) [03:10] ahh kde4.0 makes regular qt4 programs Oxygen styled :) [03:10] funky. [03:10] yeah... look nice :) [03:11] ok...have to go to bed. Great job everyone on kde4! I think the users are happy :) [03:11] nosrednaekim: of course [03:11] I am at least :) [03:11] nosrednaekim: kde3 does that too, doesn't it? [03:12] and there don't seem to be that many problems with our packages either (which i'm happy for) [03:12] lol :) [03:12] nosrednaekim: hm.. that's nothing new.. [03:12] like mhb said [03:14] you can install from the gutsy kde4 livecd right? [03:22] a few bugs in kubuntu kde4.0: while in system settings>appearance, when you change something in a submenu, say the color scheme, but don't apply the setting and click on another submenu like the 'theme manager'.. the dialog which says 'unsaved changes, apply or discard' doesn't appear until you come back into the colors submenu [03:23] the other bug: "clicking on menu editor kde4" in the kde menu doesn't execute the program [03:24] xoqa: you should report the first bug to bugs.kde.org as it is not our fault [03:25] xoqa: as soon as they open [03:25] right [03:25] just as soon they open :) [03:25] closed for the holidays :) [03:26] what's the terminal command to launch the menu editor? [03:26] that way i can strace what's going on [03:26] kmenuedit [03:27] that's odd [03:27] it worked [03:27] works here too (SVN build) [03:27] yep it does when manually invoked [03:27] right [03:28] that's not what i was looking for though.. i'm wanting to adjust the panel settings. my bad [03:28] you can't. not yet at least [03:28] ah [03:28] if you meant the size [03:29] yep [03:29] and the text [03:29] it's kind of annoying to ahve half of a word displayed [03:31] let's hope they add it soon [03:33] * DaSkreech waves [03:34] but seeing http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/4.1_Roadmap my hopes are not so high [03:35] it seems semantic zooming (whatever that is) is a goal but making the panel configurable is not :o) well, I just hope this is just a miscommunication of some sort. [03:36] I've heard many people say "KDE 4.1 will kick ass" ... I can almost here them say "KDE 4.4 was not that good, but KDE4.5 will kick ass!" [03:36] http://bayimg.com/haidHaabo [03:36] s/here/hear [03:41] and why the delicious looking cookie: http://bayimg.com/haIdiaABO ;) [03:41] makes me hungry :P [03:43] ah yes, those cookie alerts are bothersome [03:43] turn them off? (set all to reject?) [03:46] i was just kidding jucato [03:46] Jucato: well I'd vote for turning them off (all accept) by default. [03:46] however i do have a question [03:46] :) [03:46] Jucato: because I know of no basic user that would not mindlessly click "Accept and stop asking" [03:46] it slipped past me though [03:47] mhb: I never seem to be included in your sets :( [03:47] of course, IE was set to accept cookies backthen.. so [03:47] mhb: It's gonna have to have feature parity with KDE 3.5 before it kicks ass. [03:48] ScottK: I sure hope they wouldn't port KDE 3.5 broken features/wrong implementations into KDE 4 :) [03:48] Jucato: I'm thinking about bigger chunks like having Kontact. [03:48] ScottK: strange thing is, on that feature list for KDE4.1 only some weird features are listed instead of things every user desires [03:48] yeah that planned for 4.1 I think [03:49] where does one specify what apps to run at startup? i know it was ~/.kde/Autostart [03:49] xoqa: not working currently [03:49] ah [03:49] even the session management is a bit wonky [03:49] So the screen shots look really cool, but it's not actually up to useful yet for me. [03:49] i may just stick to kde3 in the meantime then :) [03:49] is there any cron frontend for KDE? [03:49] kcron [03:50] mhb: maybe those are the features that they want to *add* on top of what would be essential features that they'll carry over from KDE 3 [03:50] right... nice [03:51] Jucato: perhaps. [04:00] Jucato: hmm, you hate my ideas quite often, what do you think about moving kcron to systemsettings? [04:01] is it a bad idea? If so, why? [04:01] i don't hate your ideas often [04:01] and I dont know anything about *cron to really have an opinion [04:01] * Jucato is also gone [04:04] I found an interesting bug I think [04:04] alt+tab, ctrl+f9, keycombos such as those do not work [04:04] unless... [04:05] you have system settings -> kb & mouse open [04:18] Jucato: You are a null set? [04:29] mhb: What was your idea? [05:08] booyakah [05:09] nixternal broke it! [05:09] not yet, but I will soon [05:09] playing around with creating plasmoids :) [05:09] I want to make a useful plasmoid, but my think tank is plum empty [05:10] make it relate to beer, and you're 90% there. [05:10] hehe [05:14] here is what I don't get...people complain about KDE looking like Windows, but yet when I check out kde-look.org, there are always Vista theme knock offs for Compiz, Mouse themes, wallpapers, kbfx and more [05:14] I don't get it [05:16] http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=67833&file1=67833-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Aero+Mouse+Cursors+with+Drop+Shadow [05:16] anyone want the aero vista mouse cursors? [05:17] No thanks. [05:17] heh, someone commented and told the dude to pretty much f' off [05:19] beeroclock!! [05:20] nixternal: You speak of people as if it's ... a person [05:20] what else would it be? an alien? [05:21] nixternal: how about multiple people with .. different tastes and choices ? [05:21] but only one person made it [05:22] and was he the same people who complained about it looking like windows? [05:26] lol thats my current mouse theme [05:28] X-D [05:28] Is someone want's their KDE to look like Windows, there's nothing wrong with that. Part of the beauty of the system is you can make it look like almost anything. [05:28] I have never even looked at vista stuff, other than a rare screenie [05:29] so I don't really know much about the OS [05:29] never used vista [05:29] just liked the cursor theme [05:30] ScottK: precisely [05:30] * ScottK sat down and tried to help my sister-in-law make her wireless work over Christmas vacation on Vista and failed. [05:30] The security was too good. [05:30] Tjat [05:30] w00t, imported my adblock config into kde4 and no more stupid ads in websites [05:30] That's the only time I've used it. [05:30] nixternal: You have a filter that only catches the stupid ads? [05:31] * DaSkreech is on vista now [05:31] ScottK: obviously not, cuz it didn't catch that one ^^ [05:31] 23:31:02 DaSkreech is on vista now [05:31] that advertisement got through :p [05:31] nixternal: so no go on the sleepover? [05:31] nixternal: Thats like saying I'm on home made crack [05:31] hehe [05:32] when are you going to be here? [05:32] 21-22 [05:32] 1 whole day? [05:32] more like a night :) [05:32] wth [05:32] Soon as AA gives me back my ticket [05:33] it looks like I land in chicago on the 21 then leave on the 22 [05:33] I don't have a spot here for anyone to crash [05:33] I thought Oh nooooooo I may meet nixternal what will I doooooooo? [05:33] I have my small bedroom and that is it [05:33] and you aren't crawling in bed with me [05:33] damn [05:33] my girlfriend might have a problem with that one ;) [05:34] and of course it is my first nights back at school [05:34] what time do you fly in on MOnday? [05:34] Dunno [05:34] and what time do you fly out on Tuesday? [05:34] I'll let you know when they confirm the ticket [05:35] hopefully next monday I will be out in the burbs and not in the city [05:35] Doh [05:36] You tease!! [05:36] I might have to go to the city on Monday night though and crash there since I will have an early class on tuesday morning [05:36] hahahahahahha [05:38] DaSkreech: will you know by Sunday? [05:38] I have to make my appointment to stay in the dorms next week at the other campus [05:39] it is free and I don't have to wake up at 4am to get ready for school :) [05:39] nixternal: I shouldhave known by now [05:39] they are holding out on me [05:39] they have a real nice call center though :) [05:39] was it towards the evening on Monday do you know? [05:39] late afternoon? [05:39] would have been or they wouldn't make me stay [05:40] well if you fly in after 9pm I think they make you stay an extra day [05:40] no air traffic after midnight here [05:40] something like that [05:40] if it is that late then I don't know if I will be out in the burbs [05:41] I was planning on meeting you at the airport, grabbing a bite to eat, hanging out for a few and then heading to the other campus [05:41] thank god this is my last semester doing this crap [05:42] nixternal: ok I'll find out [05:42] I am getting to old for school I think :p [05:43] otherwise I'm going to have to bring a big blankie and teddy bear to sleep with in the airport [05:43] after this semester I am back to a single degree/major [05:43] you are dual degreeing ? [05:43] * nixternal boots up vista to play some call of duty 4 :) [05:43] ya, Business and CS [05:43] doesn't one cancel the other? [05:43] nope [05:43] 2 different universities [05:44] the one guy I know who did that is a jerk :) [05:44] simultaneous education [05:44] well I am the 2nd guy then :) [05:44] well I know two now [05:44] haha [05:45] Yeah anyway he's a jackass [05:45] reviewed my final year project and was being a complete goddamn fool [05:46] hehe [05:47] We are given the project we do at the start of the year and all his questions were about the Business [05:47] So where are you getting funding for this? [05:47] government [05:47] Who are you selling it to? [05:47] I go to school for absolutely nothing [05:47] What is your focus market? [05:47] WE dont' know JACKASS we were given this project and we built it [05:47] Business: Marketing & Entrepreneurship || CS: well CS [05:48] oh, I thought you were asking me those questions [05:48] someone else gets the money we handle the technology that's how it works [05:48] god, I love booting up in to Vista and it wants to scan everything because it has been a while...need to check for viruses, spyware, life history and more [05:49] stop asking us questions about something you have a degree in that we happened to spend that last 4 years of our lives NOT LEARNING [05:49] then again, every 30 boot ups in Linux it wants to check my disk(s) [05:49] nixternal: I know. It's constantly scanning [05:49] like all the time [05:49] see if I can play call of duty 4 w/o it crashing [05:50] Just today I was thinking that Laptops should have Vista clauses in the Warranty for hard drive wear [05:50] shoot, if you would have come this week it would have been perfect...since I only have to go to class in city about once or twice a month [05:50] It runs virus scans like 3 times a day [05:50] spyware stuff like every day [05:51] nixternal: ask Wade to move the KDE party up to tomorrow [05:51] heh [05:51] I would get on the first plane out in the morning [05:51] I start class back again on Tuesday [05:51] the good thing though about this semester is my classes in the burbs are late [05:52] last semester I would have class from 7am-9am, drive an hour to the burbs for class from 10am-2pm, come home for 3 hours and go back from 6pm-10pm [05:52] that was Monday through Thursday [05:52] so when the weekend came, I didn't want to do anything [05:54] nixternal: at least you had an excuse to not want to do anything on the weekend :) [05:54] hehe, true [06:48] dang [06:48] no wifi in kde4 :( [07:03] nixternal: OMG this laptop is so much quieter in KDE4 [07:03] Well from a Live Cd but still === u^A_ is now known as u^A [10:09] hi [10:10] hi Tonio_! [10:10] jpatrick: :) [10:13] * jpatrick is just loving kde4 [10:13] jpatrick: well kwin doesn't seem to like fglrx ati driver, so I can't say I really love kde4 atm ;) [10:14] Tonio_: same here, but it still rocks [10:15] hehe [10:16] Tonio_: or maybe it's just Tangerine Dream... :| [10:34] ffs. - it seems everything wants to switch to having my default browser as konq4 [10:46] good morning [10:46] somehow I sense that today it'll be a not-so-interesting meeting [10:47] mhb: party! [10:48] who's allowed to speak in that meeting ? [10:48] last meeting there was just one meeting agenda point [10:49] mikkael: anyone [10:49] mikkael: whoever has got a mouth. fingers actually :o) [10:49] so users are welcome ? whats the topic ? [10:50] wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [10:50] mikkael: that's the problem. Nobody bothered to suggest any topics. [10:52] hi. [10:52] how often are you going to package a kde4 snapshot ? [10:52] mhb: isn't regular short meetings better than those 4-hour-we're-not-even-close-to-finish meetings twice a year? [10:53] fdoving: they are. it's just when I look back and see that at the last meeting, only I had a topic to discuss, and this meeting, nobody bothered... I dunno, it doesn't make me a happy bunny. [10:54] mhb: look at the positive sides, everyone get more time to implement whats already decided :) [10:55] Kubuntu meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting [11:01] meeting in #ubuntu-meeting [11:02] * nosrednaekim yawns [11:04] Nightrose, Rum0 #ubuntu-meeting [11:05] thx jpatrick ;-) and good morning [11:05] Nightrose: guten morgen [11:06] thx jpatrick: Mahlzeit ;-) [11:06] Lure: are you working on guidance-power-manager for kde4? - or will the plasmoid replace it somehow? [11:06] fdoving: its being replaced by a plasmoid [11:07] fdoving: I think sebas was working on it [11:07] fdoving: not really, there was plan that suse will port and improve kpowersave [11:07] fdoving: I just improved plasma applet a bit [11:07] but we will have to do something for hardy [11:08] * nosrednaekim wishes there were python bindings for plasma already [11:08] nosrednaekim: Kross [11:08] there are? [11:08] nosrednaekim: there is some support for script languages (Aaron blogged if I recall) [11:08] maybe :) [11:09] yeah, but I thought that was only for kOffice, it wasn't real clear [11:50] yeah.. nothing here about plasma [11:50] http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3187 [11:52] nosrednaekim: would this help: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2007/11/scriptengine-plasmas-tower-of-babel.html [11:53] title has the right words... but the context isn't promising ;) [11:54] snif.... java script no mention of python. [11:54] maybe I should go bug them over in #kde-devel [11:55] is there somewhere already a build of yakuake-kde4? [11:56] Rum0: is there such a program? [11:56] nosrednaekim: right, I thought at first that ScriptEngine is more generic [11:56] nosrednaekim: yes, I am using yakuake for kde4 [11:56] Lure: someone was asking about that yesterday... good to know [11:56] nosrednaekim: yes: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29153 [11:57] nosrednaekim: there's a note from January 8th [12:12] meeting over already? [12:12] toma: yes [12:12] k [12:14] toma: unless you have some business to add? [12:14] Tonio_: it's only two days, might convince my dad somehow [12:15] jpatrick: sleeper to paris, thialis to brussels, arrive in time for the first talk [12:15] Riddell: no, not really, i just wanted to know if there are issues with the keg tarballs, but I think i know most of the problems, and can ask nixternal later on [12:16] toma: ligature had no COPYING when I checked [12:16] ligature and kpovmodeller had issues [12:16] jpatrick: yeah, there's a bug with freetype that prevents it from building [12:16] i think those are unmaintained (have to check to be sure), I will suggest to remove them [12:17] jpatrick: can you make a note on the wiki for that? [12:17] just in case [12:17] Riddell: what is a thialis? [12:17] toma: where exactly? [12:18] jpatrick: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Projects/extragearReleases [12:18] jpatrick: TGV to belgium (possibly wrong spelling) [12:19] toma: ok [12:19] Riddell: unable to compile kpovmodeler? [12:20] toma: vorian had issues with it I seem to remember [12:20] yeah [12:20] it's the freetype bug [12:21] i could not compile it either [12:21] can some1 help me with sound ...i have sistem sound but no audio and video sounds? [12:21] bug #181913 [12:21] Launchpad bug 181913 in freetype "freetype, incorrect include dir" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181913 [12:22] i guessed it was a dependency missing on my system [12:22] but it is a bug? [12:22] it has the wrong inclusion directory [12:22] which causes it to crap out around 18% [12:23] vorian: yes, so kpovmodeler tarball might be correct? [12:23] it might just need an extra flag to cmake to tell it where to look [12:24] toma: it should be [12:24] nixternal was able to confirm the bug [12:24] ok, i leave it to the distro's to fix that [12:26] toma: done [12:26] thnx [12:44] Riddell: do you think I could run for core-dev? [12:45] jpatrick: for what purpose? [12:45] update kmplayer easily :) [12:48] jpatrick: I think the tech board will say that main membership should be because you want to contribute towards key areas of the system, having a package or two to upload wouldn't be enough [12:49] Riddell: yes, I remember what happened last I talked to them :) [12:53] * Hobbsee is still surprised that she got core, tehn [12:53] Hobbsee: how did you persuade them? [12:54] Riddell: i went to UDS, basically [12:54]