[00:00] <e-uoaphys> if your laptop has dual hard drives, it would have been an upsell item you would prolly know about when you bought it
[00:00] <nosredna_ekim> hunkennalle: no problem really. but before you attempt to install you should defrag windows
[00:00] <e-uoaphys> you can go into windows drive manager
[00:00] <e-uoaphys> (right click my computer -> manage)
[00:01] <hunkennalle> I did a backup on windows on cds the first thing when i got the computer...
[00:01] <e-uoaphys> it should show you a graphical view of your physical drives and partitions in each drive
[00:01] <AzAel> hunkennalle: you can install it on your d drive its just you seem very new to this so we are trying to warn you that there are alot of opprotunities to fuck up when installing any new operating system
[00:01] <AzAel> exscues my language
[00:01] <nosredna_ekim> hunkennalle: defragging frees up space on the hd
[00:01] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: have you ever installed windows before?
[00:01] <hunkennalle> yes
[00:02] <hunkennalle> or i was looking while a guy did it
[00:02] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: go to your drive manager in windows and see what you have in there
[00:02] <AzAel> are you running xp or vista now?
[00:02] <e-uoaphys> hehehe
[00:02] <hunkennalle> xp home
[00:02] <mike_> is this the place to try and workout some kde4 ?'s
[00:02] <e-uoaphys> mike_: i fixed a couple probs in here
[00:02] <hunkennalle> drive manager.. hold on
[00:03] <mike_> ok, here goes. How do you fix the kdesu ?
[00:03] <e-uoaphys> Right click "My computer" -> Manage -> disk management
[00:03] <hunkennalle> got the drive manager
[00:03] <e-uoaphys> k what does the partition tables look like
[00:03] <hunkennalle> there
[00:03] <e-uoaphys> disk0, disk1, cdrom, etc..
[00:03] <nosredna_ekim> mike_: run all apps that need to be run as root with "kdesudo appname"
[00:04] <tyone> dude
[00:04] <nosredna_ekim> tyone: yeah
[00:04] <tyone> what was that u said i must do ??
[00:04] <tyone> damn thing hung
[00:04] <hunkennalle> disk0,disk1,cd-rom0
[00:04] <tyone> can u beleve it
[00:04] <mike_> but is there a way to run it with kde?
[00:04] <tyone> the command line u said ?
[00:04] <nosredna_ekim> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[00:04] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: read off the partitions in disk0, then the ones in disk1
[00:05] <e-uoaphys> size, format, etc
[00:05] <tyone> install driver frist yeah ?
[00:05] <nosredna_ekim> tyone: yeah
[00:05] <hunkennalle> disk 0: os c:, hp_recovery e: and then an unknown partion
[00:05] <crazy_bus> I know this has probably being asked.  But does the kubuntu kde4.0 livecd have the kde4 games and educational programs installed on it?
[00:05] <hunkennalle> disk1: no partions
[00:06] <AzAel> hunkennalle: how big is disk 1?
[00:06] <e-uoaphys> how big is disk0 and disk1
[00:06] <hunkennalle> 93 GB
[00:06] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: is that your USB hard drive?
[00:06] <e-uoaphys> do you have an external Hard drive plugged in?
[00:06] <hunkennalle> no, internal ones
[00:06] <e-uoaphys> wtf kinda laptop is that with 2 physical disks
[00:06] <AzAel> ooer a laptop with 2 disks?
[00:06] <hunkennalle> hp dv9000
[00:07] <e-uoaphys> how many gigs are in the disk0?
[00:07] <hunkennalle> 93GB
[00:07] <e-uoaphys> and how many gigs are for each partition?
[00:07] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: are you thinking dual 100GB disks on that system?
[00:08] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: is that like a 17in laptop or something?
[00:08] <hunkennalle> os is on 83GB, hp_recopvery is on 8GB and 1 GB unpartioned
[00:08] <hunkennalle> yes
[00:08] <e-uoaphys> oh
[00:08] <e-uoaphys> so its a pretty big high end one ehh
[00:08] <e-uoaphys> well if it were me
[00:08] <e-uoaphys> i would just install it on the second disk
[00:08] <e-uoaphys> i didn't realize it ws really 2 disks
[00:09] <hunkennalle> yeah but how do i choose to instal on d drive?
[00:09] <hunkennalle> ok
[00:09] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: im looking at a spec sheet now
[00:09] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: dont see anything about additionall drive bays
[00:09] <nosredna_ekim> crazy_bus: i'm not sure what it has on it
[00:09] <LeeJunFan> hrm, no menu editor of any kind for kde4?
[00:09] <nosredna_ekim> the dv900 has dual disks
[00:10] <AzAel> hunkennalle: the installer will ask you where you want to install it
[00:10] <nosredna_ekim> *dv9000
[00:10] <hunkennalle> ok
[00:10] <nxvl_work> is there already any version of hardy with kde4?
[00:10] <hunkennalle> so i just restart and follow instructions and tell it to instal at d drive?
[00:10] <nosredna_ekim> nxvl_work: no, not yet
[00:10] <AzAel> hunkennalle: yeah pretty much
[00:10] <nosredna_ekim> hunkennalle: it depends... you can come back here once you start the livecd with the application "konversation"
[00:11] <nosredna_ekim> hunkennalle: then we can get a better idea of your hardware
[00:11] <nxvl_work> so i can't try it?
[00:11] <AzAel> hunkennalle: just take your time and read closely, if you cant work it out just back out
[00:11] <nosredna_ekim> nxvl_work: packages should be out soon
[00:11] <hunkennalle> thx... ill try it and come back for help if it doesnt work
[00:11] <nosredna_ekim> nxvl_work: I thought you meant liveCD
[00:11] <nxvl_work> mmm
[00:11] <e-uoaphys> i duno if i trust windows to show disk0 and disk1 properly
[00:12] <AzAel> hunkennalle: its a live cd so it will boot into an operating system first
[00:12] <e-uoaphys> the specs to that laptop say nothing about a second drive bay
[00:12] <nxvl_work> i prefer it to be instalable but with a LiveCD i'm ok
[00:12] <e-uoaphys> yea go into livecd mode and then open konversation and come back to this chat room
[00:12] <e-uoaphys> then we can see the real disk partitions
[00:12] <Tonren> Anyone running KDE4?
[00:12] <hunkennalle> so i download an irc program in livecd mode?
[00:13] <AzAel> hunkennalle: also theres an irc client you camn use and we can walk you through the install
[00:13] <hunkennalle> ok
[00:13] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: there is one already installed
[00:13] <hunkennalle> thx
[00:13] <AzAel> should already be there
[00:13] <e-uoaphys> just run it
[00:13] <hunkennalle> see you in a few minutes then
[00:13] <e-uoaphys> you know in GNOME Ubuntu, when you open gnomechat, it automaticallyt akes you to freenode #Ubuntu
[00:13] <AzAel> im so glad i started learning about computers in the dos era sometyimes
[00:14] <e-uoaphys> that is the first place you go
[00:14] <hunkennalle> gnomechat
[00:14] <e-uoaphys> pretty cool feature/default IMO
[00:14] <hunkennalle> where is it located?
[00:14] <AzAel> konversation is on the live cd
[00:14] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: i think in kde you want to use kde chat "Konversation"
[00:14] <AzAel> yeah?
[00:14] <e-uoaphys> just find it in the start menu
[00:14] <hunkennalle> ok
[00:14] <hunkennalle> bye then
[00:14] <hunkennalle> nothing mor?
[00:14] <AzAel> hunkennalle: you are installing "Kubuntu" yes?
[00:14] <hunkennalle> e
[00:15] <hunkennalle> yes
[00:15] <hunkennalle> kubuntu
[00:15] <e-uoaphys> hunkennalle: if its Kubuntu 7.10 then yes
[00:15] <AzAel> kool it will bring straight here
[00:15] <hunkennalle> 7.10, yes
[00:15] <hunkennalle> thx alot
[00:15] <hunkennalle> here we go
[00:15] <AzAel> lol
[00:15] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: man if you don't need 3d support in windows, kubuntu plus compiz plus virtualbox is pretty much the best way to switch ppl to linux
[00:16] <e-uoaphys> i converted a couple ppl already doing it just since january
[00:16] <VoksD> Using Gusty, installed 3.97 (iirc) yesterday in a slightly messy manner, it worked on starting up, but due to a few issues I removed all of kde4 and re-installed it according to official howto.  Now, hotkeys don't work (no alt+f2, ctrl+f2, etc.), and some icons aren't what they were last time (ie. kopete-kde4's tray icon is that of kde3.5's, the logout icon in the menu changed).
[00:16] <VoksD> What's missing that leaves the hotkeys not working?  I had them up and running the first time I tried K4
[00:16] <e-uoaphys> kubuntu should come with a desktop icon on recommended out of the box installs like icons on the desktop
[00:16] <e-uoaphys> to get new users up and running heheh
[00:17] <e-uoaphys> VoksD: i think the ~/.kde file contains all the settings for that user and it might be corrupt
[00:18] <e-uoaphys> VoksD: but im not expert
[00:18] <e-uoaphys> someone said once to rename that file and kde should create a new one
[00:18] <e-uoaphys> that way you have a backup in case you need to go back
[00:18] <ibrahim> hi all
[00:18] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: remove your .kde4
[00:18] <e-uoaphys> oh yea, KDE4
[00:19] <nosredna_ekim> her ibrahim
[00:19] <nosredna_ekim> *hey
[00:19] <VoksD> Yeah, I did that before reinstalling this time.
[00:19] <VoksD> It didn't fix it.
[00:19] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: compiz works in virtualbox?
[00:19] <e-uoaphys> nosredna_ekim: when will they officially switch "kde4" to "kde"?
[00:19] <ibrahim> i bought a new notebook asus f3sa
[00:19] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: well, install compiz, then install virtualbox. then you can use the cube to switch from windows to linux
[00:19] <ibrahim> i try to install ubuntu but
[00:19] <nosredna_ekim> e-uoaphys: don't know
[00:19] <AzAel> ah i see what yopu mean
[00:20] <ibrahim> i have an erorr like cna't access ...
[00:20] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: did you install kde4-core?
[00:20] <ibrahim> can you help to to fix this problem
[00:20] <VoksD> nosredna_ekim: Yes.
[00:20] <AzAel> ibrahim: need more details dude
[00:20] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: you don't need compiz to do the functionality, but people see the graphical feedback of the cube and it makes them feel like they are switching modes
[00:21] <VoksD> Removed it, removed ~/.kde4 and then re-installed kde4-core
[00:21] <e-uoaphys> gives them the personal confirmation that they have a true copy of windows on there
[00:21] <e-uoaphys> know what i mean?
[00:21] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: but kde4 does start, this are just clightly wacked out?
[00:21] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: cheap sell
[00:21] <e-uoaphys> hahaha
[00:21] <e-uoaphys> well you know
[00:21] <e-uoaphys> whatever worx right?
[00:21] <AzAel> lol
[00:21] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: at work we only use it for MS Access
[00:21] <ibrahim> AzAel: you want details about my notebook or sth different ?
[00:21] <e-uoaphys> and some priprietary POS database GUI
[00:21] <VoksD> nosredna_ekim: Yes, I'm running KDE 4.0 at this moment, it's pretty much up and running except for that hotkey thing (just started 10 minutes ago, so I'm not sure if there's more to it).
[00:21] <AzAel> ibrahim: details about the problem your having
[00:22] <e-uoaphys> and its easier to install virtualbox+winXP+MSAccess than it is to try to debug WINE every 5 days
[00:22] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: yeah thats the only disadvantage to the switch i know of
[00:22] <VoksD> What's so odd is that somewhere within the on-and-off installs yesterday I had KDE4 running with hotkeys and the lot working.  I think it may be that it stopped working fully after I installed the official 4.0
[00:22] <e-uoaphys> for XP, you just install it, and strip down the swap file and all the startup cruft, and i have a clean bootup with MSaccess opened up in under 100MB ram
[00:22] <inaety> when i try to install okular i get this http://pastebin.com/m2f64ece6
[00:22] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: did you check out systemsettings->keyboard->shortcuts?
[00:23] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: the only thing that kubuntu+virtualbox+winXP can't do is gaming, so as long as they aren't a windows gamer its an easy sell
[00:23] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: nice what did you use to strip it down? (where getting slightly offtopic here)
[00:23] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: see, its easy cos now that people have learned about their options for the mac (paralels+win) they are used to that idea, so you can show them its also possible on linux, and it can stop them from converting to the mac
[00:23] <VoksD> nosredna_ekim: Oh..  I looked at that when I had the problem yesterday, and then the hotkeys only worked as long as I had the settings module open.  But now, it is empty - there's nothing to configure.
[00:24] <VoksD> nosredna_ekim: Surely I'm missing a package here?
[00:24] <ibrahim> AzAel: when i boot ubuntu cd  after this error comes
[00:24] <ibrahim> "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off"
[00:24] <ibrahim> I'm then given a command line.
[00:24] <cinemagoo> im trying to move files from one folder to another and am getting access denied.  how do I open up access
[00:24] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: i just disabled services I don't use (blackviper.com is a good site with descriptions of all the services) then I go to the hardware performance area and get rid of the themes crap and get rid of system-restore checkbox and fix the swap file size
[00:24] <ibrahim> AzAel: "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" I'm  then given a command line
[00:24] <AzAel> ibrahim: ill have to pass that one onto someone more experienced with boot issues
[00:24] <cinemagoo> im trying to move files from one folder to another and am getting access denied.  how do I open up access?
[00:25] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: i heard there his a program called nlite or nlight for xp and it will strip it down to barebones, but i am not too concerned with it
[00:25] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: are you CERTAIN you are running 4?
[00:25] <nosredna_ekim> 4.0 that is
[00:25] <ibrahim> AzAel:  can you offer someone in this channel
[00:25] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: what kind of footprint does the virt machine have?
[00:25] <AzAel> ibrahim: hopefully some will volenteer soon
[00:26] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: haven't run top yet but when i go into windows task manager windows itself only uses less than 100mb with my access db loaded on a fresh boot
[00:26] <e-uoaphys> and i have it installed on a 4 gig virtual drive image
[00:26] <AzAel> i meant disk space
[00:26] <e-uoaphys> oh
[00:26] <VoksD> nosredna_ekim: I followed the short howto from Kubuntu's webpage on how to install KDE4, it sure looks like KDE4, and before I did the reinstall I had no (to my knowledge) KDE4-related packages installed, no binaries for it and no session entries for it in KDM.
[00:26] <AzAel> im almost assuong less than a gig easy
[00:26] <VoksD> So, I'm pretty sure it's the real 4.0
[00:26] <e-uoaphys> well i did a fixed disk size (as opposed to resizing one) and 5 gigs is a good size if you don't think your going to install a ton of crap
[00:27] <AzAel> true
[00:27] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: open any kde4 app, help->about kde and see what version it says
[00:27] <e-uoaphys> but if you want to do it to the general public (most of which have plenty of disk space to spare) just give them 10-20 gigs
[00:27] <VoksD> nosredna_ekim: And, I should add I followed the post specificially made for KDE 4.0, not the RCs
[00:27] <VoksD> ok..
[00:27] <VoksD> It says 4.0.0
[00:28] <jmaldon> Can someone please explain how to install grub to an external usb floppy drive rather than to the hard disk when installing a fresh copy of (k)ubuntu?
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: nice thing is you can do a virtual machine snapshot, store it to disk and then the sucker can be restored any time you want!
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> so the idiots that get tons of viruses just restore their crap and its instant
[00:28] <cinemagoo> Anyone, what do you type in a terminal to be able to move folders to directrories that are access denied??  Please someone help?
[00:28] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: you dont want to puch that too much  like to tell people its a last resort if you can find any way of doing what you need to do
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> no reinstalls
[00:28] <AzAel> puch = push
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> yea
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> well you know
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> i work at a university store
[00:28] <AzAel> heh
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> selling lots of mac switchers who file into line
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> buy macbook
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> then the parallels
[00:28] <e-uoaphys> then the windows xp on it
[00:29] <e-uoaphys> like clockwork
[00:29] <e-uoaphys> so they are already doing it lol
[00:29] <AzAel> exspensive practice
[00:29] <e-uoaphys> apple has them trained to do it man
[00:29] <e-uoaphys> every person that comes in already has in their mind: i don't care cos I will just run windows inside a window
[00:29] <e-uoaphys> they heard it from steve jobbs man, its what good lemming mac users are supposed to do, install windows on top!
[00:29] <VoksD> cinemagoo: 'sudo mv thisfolder destinationfolder", or use 'chmod -R' (as root/sudo) to change permissions, or 'chown -R user folder' to change the owner of the folder.  Just be sure you're _not_ disallowed to move it because it's a system folder ;)
[00:30] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: thats very weird then
[00:30] <happy1> anyone know the command line syntax to extract a bz2 file from the local file system to a windows share?
[00:30] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: do this in the command line "echo $KDEHOME"
[00:30] <cinemagoo> VoksD:  so sudo /mnt/device/31/public/data/pictures
[00:30] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: you wouldn't BELIEVE how many new sales apple gets simply because people have the piece of mind to install windows on parallels. Its literally discusting how many windows users are switching each day... and if you sell them mac office (instead of windows office) then they have no REAL reason to use windows other than if they need to run a program for a specific class
[00:30] <AzAel> im retaal systems tech and everything is windows
[00:30] <e-uoaphys> or something dumb like that
[00:31] <AzAel> hrmm hackenelle hasn't come back
[00:31] <VoksD> nosredna_ekim: ~/.kde4
[00:31] <e-uoaphys> hahah yea well h can always reboot back to winders and come in
[00:31] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: ok
[00:32] <AzAel> unless he didnt dl the live cd version
[00:32] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: anyway, depending on the person who you are converting, depends on how much you ease them onto linux
[00:32] <VoksD> cinemagoo: 'sudo mv /mnt/device/32/public/data/pictures ~/new_folder_you_made'
[00:32] <e-uoaphys> if they are scared, you just tell them your installing a security layer between windows
[00:32] <e-uoaphys> and they can always use it primarilly and only go to windows when they absolutely need to
[00:32] <snes_rocks> Is there another way to pin packages? Because I managed to pin some programs without an /etc/apt/preferences, and I want to unpin it
[00:33] <e-uoaphys> if they are motivated, then you can just stick it on there as a backup just in case thing
[00:33] <AzAel> e-uoaphys: it took me 7 years to start running linux fulltime
[00:33] <e-uoaphys> that is how steve jobs is doing it to mac switchers
[00:33] <nosredna_ekim> snes_rocks: did you do it in synaptic?
[00:33] <VoksD> cinemagoo: You could just mount the device with other mount options, like 'mount /dev/something /mnt/device/ -o uid=1000,gid=1000', that'll mount it with default write access for the first user you created on installing Kubuntu (which I presume is what you're running with).
[00:33] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: if you can get someone to agree to kubuntu plus vurtualbox plus xp, that is almost like full time
[00:33] <e-uoaphys> i mean you wouldn't do that to people you odn't know
[00:34] <VoksD> nosredna_ekim: You wouldn't know how I can absolutely for certain purge out every KDE4-related package and then do a search to ascertain it's all gone, before I try another reinstall?
[00:34] <AzAel> i havent used virtbox whats the advantages over vmware?
[00:34] <snes_rocks> i unpinned in synaptic
[00:34] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: its in the repository and freeware
[00:34] <e-uoaphys> i think vmware you only get a free trial right?
[00:34] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: search for kde4 in the name, and that should do it
[00:35] <VoksD> hmm, weird.
[00:35] <nosredna_ekim> e-uoaphys: player is free, but server you have to do some googfy liscnecing stuff
[00:35] <nosredna_ekim> AzAel: V-Box is far better
[00:35] <cinemagoo> VoksD: actually linuxmce over kubuntu, but im in kubuntu now trying to copy my many picture folders to the linux mce file structure
[00:35] <e-uoaphys> AzAel: i use vmware on the mac side, cos its cheaper than parallels, but on linux, i think virtualbox is easier to setup in ubuntu cos you just synaptic it and its done
[00:35] <e-uoaphys> what is player for?
[00:35] <VoksD> ..I'll just try to uninstall everything that turns up with "kde4" in it then.
[00:35] <e-uoaphys> you mean player lets you install xp pro on a linux client?
[00:35] <nosredna_ekim> VoksD: yeah
[00:35] <nosredna_ekim> e-uoaphys: no.. you can't install it
[00:36] <AzAel> VoksD: i pastebined what kde4 installed for earlier ask some to dredge it up cause i have logged out since and purged my logs
[00:36] <nosredna_ekim> e-uoaphys: forgot about that
[00:36] <VoksD> cinemagoo: Mounting it like I said above, then, with the options '-o uid=1000,gid=1000' will make your job easier.
[00:36] <e-uoaphys> nosredna_ekim: what does player do then?
[00:36] <AzAel> is there any technical advantages?
[00:36] <e-uoaphys> if not let you install windows
[00:36] <nosredna_ekim> e-uoaphys: it lets you use already eisting .vmx's
[00:37] <AzAel> player only lets you run premade images
[00:37] <e-uoaphys> oh ic
[00:37] <e-uoaphys> well then use player in corp environment lol
[00:37] <e-uoaphys> bbl
[00:37] <AzAel> adios
[00:37] <AzAel> same
[00:38] <greatt> hi
[00:38] <cinemagoo> VoksD: sorry i'm so new to all things linux 90% of the time the help i get assumes I know how to do things i don;t.  you totally lost me w/ uid
[00:38] <greatt> why when I try to boot into kernel 2.22.14 stalls?
[00:38] <greatt> I can only boot into 2.20.xx
[00:38] <greatt> :(
[00:38] <greatt> I can't install virtualbox properly because of this issue
[00:39] <greatt> it keeps telling me about conflicting kernel module versions
[00:39] <VoksD> cinemagoo: No worries.  How did you mount the device?
[00:40] <VoksD> sorry.. the in-application hotkeys like ctrl+q apparently work fine still :p
[00:40] <VoksD> cinemagoo: The device was automatically mounted, perhaps?
[00:40] <cinemagoo> voksd: I didn't mount it.  its an external usb hd 250gb, 3gb of photos.  I just plugged it in under linuxmce and it did the rest
[00:40] <VoksD> yeah
[00:41] <greatt> hello?
[00:41] <greatt> anyone?
[00:41] <VoksD> A bit annoying how so many distros and defaults set the mounted devices with very restricted write/read access.
[00:41] <nosredna_ekim> greatt: where does it stall
[00:41] <cinemagoo> unfortunately the help at #linuxmce isn't very consistent, not a lot of activity there sometimes
[00:41] <greatt> at 'loading...'
[00:41] <greatt> right after grub
[00:42] <VoksD> cinemagoo: type this in a terminal and tell me what it says: 'mount | grep /mnt/device'
[00:42] <greatt> by the way kernel 2.22.xx is set as second option in menu.lst
[00:43] <cinemagoo> VoksD: /dev/sda1 on /mnt/device/31 type vfat (rw)
[00:43] <adz21c> plasma just died on me with the following errors appearing in konsole when trying to relaunch, anyone know why? http://paste.ubuntu.com/3495/
[00:43] <greatt> sorry I meant this kernel 2.6.22-14-generic
[00:43] <AzAel> speaking of fstab
[00:44] <greatt> ^^^ that's the one stalling
[00:44] <VoksD> cinemagoo: Ok..
[00:44] <AzAel> how do i find out the uuid of a second rive i have only been listing as /dev/sda etc
[00:44] <nosredna_ekim> adz21c: and does it start back up?
[00:44] <greatt> nosredna_ekim: ?
[00:44] <nosredna_ekim> greatt: no idea.
[00:44] <cinemagoo> VoksD: WOULD IT BE easier just to plug the hd into my win xp laptop and move the files around there
[00:45] <adz21c> nosredna_ekim: nope
[00:45] <nosredna_ekim> adz21c: plasma usually just comes back upon a crash
[00:46]  * lunar-raven hasn't had plasma crash yet 
[00:46] <VoksD> cinemagoo: Try this: 'sudo umount /mnt/device/31 ; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/device/31 -o uid=1000,gid=1000'
[00:46] <adz21c> nosredna_ekim: acually it may have since i can add widget to desktop, but no panel
[00:46] <nosredna_ekim> adz21c: yeah... it probably came back... do you see a wallpaper?
[00:46] <adz21c> nosredna_ekim: yup
[00:47] <VoksD> cinemagoo: It would probably be easier, yes ;)  The command I gave you above, though, should re-mount the drive in a manner allowing you to write and read to it as a normal user.
[00:47] <adz21c> nosredna_ekim: i see it in ksysguard so my bad its runnings, so i guess now the question is how do i get panel back
[00:47] <cinemagoo> VoksD: ok I can try that but will i be able to get it back how it was mounted so that I dont mess up the functionality of linuxmce?
[00:48] <nosredna_ekim> adz21c: not really sure...
[00:48] <VoksD> cinemagoo: Oh, sorry, I forgot the second "sudo" there, this is what I meant: sudo umount /mnt/device/31 ; sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/device/31 -o uid=1000,gid=1000'
[00:48] <nosredna_ekim> adz21c: i haven't had a plasma crash so I don't know
[00:48] <greatt> why does stall with 2.6.22?
[00:48] <greatt> anyone?
[00:48] <VoksD> VoksD: It won't mess up any functionality.
[00:48] <VoksD> kreist...
[00:48] <nosredna_ekim> greatt: hardware issues probably
[00:48] <greatt> does it need to be first on the list or something?
[00:48] <VoksD> cinemagoo: It won't mess up any of the functionality.
[00:49] <greatt> nosredna_ekim: but then how can  I check it out if I can't a debug info??
[00:49] <greatt> nosredna_ekim: maybe if I try revovery mode right?
[00:49] <nosredna_ekim> greatt: yeah.. try that
[00:49] <greatt> some stuff might not be initiated
[00:49] <greatt> aright brb
[00:49] <VoksD> cinemagoo: It mounts in exactly the same way, it just tells the system that normal users should be allowed to write to the mounted device (the default mount process just sets it for root or something).
[00:49] <amine> hey everyone
[00:50] <amine> i'm new
[00:50] <nosredna_ekim> hey amine
[00:50] <amine> i installed kubuntu
[00:50] <amine> i wanna know how to install applications
[00:50] <VoksD> amine: Click the menu on your bottom left and choose "Add/Remove Programs"
[00:51] <amine> thx but my question is that i want to download a program and install it, my friend told me that i should use apt
[00:52] <amine> would u give the syntax
[00:52] <nosredna_ekim> amine: well, "add remove programs" is a frontend to apt
[00:52] <VoksD> amine: Well, then do 'apt-get install programname'
[00:52] <nosredna_ekim> with a sudo
[00:52] <VoksD> Yes.
[00:52] <amine> thx i'll try
[00:53] <VoksD> amine: Many experienced Linux users will often recommend using the console/text tools instead of the graphical frontends you get from the menu.  It's not a must, just a lot swifter for quick installations and whatnot.
[00:53] <cinemagoo> VoksD: i did your line and it just gave me a ">"
[00:54] <VoksD> er..
[00:54] <amine> sorry but that doesn't work "commande introuvable"
[00:54] <VoksD> *scrolls up*
[00:55] <nosredna_ekim> amine: what do you want to install?
[00:55] <nosredna_ekim> so I can give you an example
[00:55] <cinemagoo> sudo umount /mnt/device/31 ; sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/device/31 -o uid=1000,gid=1000'  right
[00:55] <VoksD> cinemagoo: I think you forgot to remove the ' at the end of the line
[00:55] <VoksD> cinemagoo: Correct, just without the ' at the end ;)
[00:55] <amine> amsn for example
[00:55] <AzAel> argh why does startup manager keep deletiung my xp entry
[00:56] <amine> i typed "apt -get -install amsn"
[00:56] <VoksD> amine: No whitespace.
[00:56] <VoksD> amine: apt-get install amns
[00:56] <amine> ok i'll try
[00:57] <VoksD> amine: You could try Kopete, now that you're in KDE, it has MSN functionality and it's made specifically for KDE.  I think it's already in your menu under "Internet", but if not: 'apt-get install kopete'
[00:57] <cinemagoo> Voksd: it used to say  linuxmce@dcerouter:~$      now just  a   ">"  at beginning of every line
[00:58] <VoksD> cinemagoo: Ah, press ctrl+c
[00:58] <cinemagoo> i am completely terminal illiterate, ok
[00:59] <VoksD> cinemagoo: It can be a bit confusing, but that's what it looks like when the console thinks you're about to give more input to the command and end that with another '.  ctrl+c pretty much always terminates whatever is active in the terminal so you can get back to it.
[00:59] <amine> "unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg), are you root?
[00:59] <amine> i get this messgae
[01:00] <VoksD> amine: Sorry, should have told you that all installations have to happen as root.  You use the 'sudo' command to run things as root, so to install ie. kopete or amsn: sudo apt-get install kopete amsn
[01:00] <sooki> do sudo before the command
[01:00] <lunar-raven> amine: you have add/remove programs closed right? and you need to type sudo before the apt-get command..that gives you root permissions, meaing you can alter system files.
[01:00] <makers_mark> can someone help me with some flash/java issues i'm having?
[01:00] <amine> thx
[01:00] <VoksD> makers_mark: State the problem, maybe someone can.
[01:00] <cinemagoo> voksd:
[01:00] <cinemagoo> umount: /mnt/device/31: device is busy
[01:00] <cinemagoo> umount: /mnt/device/31: device is busy
[01:00] <cinemagoo> mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /mnt/device/31 busy
[01:00] <cinemagoo> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /mnt/device/31
[01:01] <makers_mark> so i installed the latest flash from the adobe site,and installed java from synaptic.i go to youtube and the player is messed up (its arrangement,cutting out controls and whatnot) and it also lags the videos badly.
[01:01] <VoksD> cinemagoo: You have to make sure that the /mnt/device/31 folder is not opened by any applications before you umount it
[01:02] <VoksD> cinemagoo: This includes the terminal, so 'cd' to another directory, and move out of the folder if you have it opened in Dolphin, Konqueror, whatever.
[01:02] <VoksD> makers_mark: Hmm..  Did you use the installer from adobe's site, or synaptic, to get flash installed?
[01:03] <makers_mark> VoksD i used the adobe installer and instructions.
[01:03] <amine> ths a lot that work great
[01:03] <amine> ;)
[01:04] <VoksD> makers_mark: As far as I can remember, Ubuntu has flash packages in their repositories as "restricted".  It would be advisable to use theirs, or to use Automatix for the installation.
[01:05] <EclecticRob> Did the restricted drivers settings move with the new kubuntu + kde4 package?
[01:05] <LjL> say what?
[01:05] <LjL> !automatix
[01:05] <ubotu> automatix is not recommended, supported or needed. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[01:05] <LjL> !flash
[01:05] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[01:05] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[01:05] <sooki> no, get the beta's from the adobe site, ubuntu's repo's are flash 7 last i checked
[01:05] <sooki> and thus are completely useless
[01:05] <VoksD> Sorry, I thought Automatix was the easier way for restricted stuff.  My mistake.
[01:06] <VoksD> Strange, the one from ubuntu's repos worked fine when I tried them.
[01:06] <sooki> flash 9's required most the time, plus the flash 7 ones used OSS :P
[01:07] <VoksD> Didn't know they were that far behind.
[01:07] <makers_mark> VoksD i'm using restricted drivers,but the only one that shows up on the list is for my nvidia video card.also i've used automatix after i i first installed flash just to make sure i didn't screw up the install (since i'm a linux nub).
[01:08] <makers_mark> VoksD i'm using ubuntu btw,not kubuntu.for some reason,kde makes my comp freeze up almost every time it loads the desktop.
[01:08] <VoksD> odd
[01:09] <VoksD> oh, wait
[01:09] <VoksD> I tried the Adobe official installer a while ago.
[01:09] <VoksD> It was clearly broken.
[01:09] <makers_mark> so..
[01:09] <makers_mark> .
[01:09] <cinemagoo> voksd: thanks for the help but too much trouble, gonna plug it into winxp and get them move quickly
[01:09] <VoksD> cinemagoo: righteo
[01:09] <fajro> I HATE KDE 4 :'-(     It's so like Gnome!
[01:10] <VoksD> makers_mark:  So I reverted to an earlier version than their latest.
[01:10] <makers_mark> VoksD how do i do that?
[01:10] <makers_mark> where do i get a previous version?
[01:11] <VoksD> makers_mark: It's supposed to install two files, one of which it gave you the newest version of while the other file was missing from the installer, hence I'd end up with a flash install mangled together from two versions which worked quite horribly.
[01:11] <VoksD> er.,.  I do so much installing of silly stuff all the time I forget half of it within weeks.
[01:11] <makers_mark> so what do i do now?
[01:11] <VoksD> Can't quite recall, but.. give me a sec.
[01:11] <makers_mark> k.
[01:12] <lod_> find and download from adobe archive v9 r115
[01:13] <lod_> and coppy the lib-file over the old one and the problem is solved
[01:13] <makers_mark> thanks
[01:13] <lod_> i thing the dest. path is somt. like /usr/lib/mozilla
[01:14] <hunkennalle> someone help me... when i try to instal kubuntu it just shuts down!
[01:14] <lod_> good night
[01:14] <makers_mark> night
[01:14] <VoksD> makers_mark: Actually, it seems the URL LjL pointed you to above covers this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[01:15] <VoksD> anyway, I have a long overdue cleaning to do, so I'm off.
[01:15] <VoksD> Best of luck
[01:15] <hunkennalle> please help me
[01:15] <usser> kde4 woohoo
[01:15] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: whats wrong?
[01:16] <nosrednaekim> usser: :)
[01:16] <lod_> here's helpful topic about flash
[01:16] <lod_> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3089647
[01:16] <usser> :)
[01:16] <lunar-raven> someone said kde4 is like gnme?
[01:16] <lunar-raven> how?
[01:16] <lunar-raven> lol
[01:17] <lunar-raven> doesn't look like gnome in the slightest :P
[01:17] <hunkennalle> i try to instal kubutntu 7.10 but after the blue loading stripe and the testing with the stars on the side the screen just turns black and the computer just goes really silent like nothing is happening
[01:17] <nosrednaekim> lunar-raven: in that its not very configurable
[01:17] <lod_> can I some how make the clock in KDE4 smaller ?
[01:17] <lunar-raven> hmm, well, plasma has it's limits at the moment
[01:17] <lunar-raven> but it should be back to being configurable in 4.1 =x
[01:17] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: try starting in safe graphics mode
[01:18] <lod_> download the alternate CD
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> lod_: on the panel?
[01:18] <makers_mark> VoksD i'm looking in synaptic and it shows that i have flashplugin-nonfree installed
[01:18] <geos> or try alt+ctrl+F1
[01:18]  * usser is itching as kde4 is downloading
[01:18] <andre> dude
[01:18] <hunkennalle> yeah... how does that help?
[01:18] <andre> KDE 4 looks so different ;O
[01:18] <lunar-raven> yeah it does
[01:18] <lunar-raven> kde 4 is incredibly fast for me..everything opens so fast and smooth. I love it.
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: it uses a different graphics driver
[01:18] <ProblematiK> lunar-raven: I just dont like the HUGE clock
[01:18] <hunkennalle> ok... ill try it
[01:18] <ProblematiK> ehehehe
[01:19] <hunkennalle> thx
[01:19] <lunar-raven> haha, yeah the clock..
[01:19] <lod_> no option abouth the font size, only the type
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> lunar-raven: yeah.. me too, even with this crappy video card I can still od some pretty nice effects
[01:19] <lod_> for last time good night
[01:19] <lunar-raven> :).
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> :)
[01:20] <lunar-raven> lol night lod
[01:20] <lunar-raven> I just wish amarok 2.0 was out
[01:20] <nxvl> i have just installed kde4 from the kubuntu-members-kde4 ppa and it doesn't start
[01:20] <nxvl> it says its missing kstartup4
[01:20] <nxvl> kstartuoconfig4*
[01:21] <nosrednaekim> nxvl: do this "touch .kde4/share/config/startupconfig"
[01:21] <nxvl> but i can't find it with apt-cache searhc, does anyone knows where can i download it
[01:22] <makers_mark> can anyone tell me how to install flash and java from terminal?
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> !flash
[01:22] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[01:22] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> !java
[01:22] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[01:22] <amine> another question please
[01:22] <sFEARs> i get a "no space left on device" error when i try to compile xconfig.. anyone know how i can clear up some space.. i have 20 gigs left on the hard drive
[01:23] <nxvl> nosrednaekim: still getting same error
[01:23] <lunar-raven> ask away amine
[01:23] <selckin> sFEARs: apt-get clean ?
[01:23] <sFEARs> will try
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> nxvl: then try "sudo touch .kde4/share/config/kstartupconfig4"
[01:23] <kgx> !kde4
[01:23] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ and support in #kubuntu
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> ermm without the sudo.. sorry
[01:24] <amine> i want to install java, i typed "sudo apt-get install jdk" and the message is "unable to find the package jdk"
[01:24] <ader11> KDE 4.0 is stable, is it in the repositories?
[01:24] <amine> what to do?
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> ader11: in the PPA
[01:24] <selckin> amine: sun-java5-jdk
[01:24] <sFEARs> amine, try searching for flash in adapt package manager
[01:24] <ader11> nosrednaekim: haha, thanks. I never read those things, most of the time it's got some stupid html joke
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> amine: its probably not called exactly that, try searching for the pckage name with "apt-cache search java"
[01:25] <amine> ok thx
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> ader11: :)
[01:25] <lunar-raven> amine: it's alot easier to use the adept_manager. You can type a partial name and it will find whatever you're looking for
[01:25] <lunar-raven> i never remember what everything is called
[01:25] <nxvl> it was a nessus incompatibility problem
[01:25] <nxvl> already solved
[01:25] <nxvl> thnx
[01:26] <usser> hm
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> nxvl: :)
[01:26] <sFEARs> apt-clean & make clean didn't work
[01:26] <sFEARs> i get a "no space left on device" error when i try to compile xconfig.. anyone know how i can clear up some space.. i have 20 gigs left on the hard drive
[01:26] <kgx> anyone got a bittorent link for gutsy with kde4?
[01:26] <kgx> i can't seem to access the kubuntu site
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> kgx: nope, I can get you a direct link thogh
[01:26] <lunar-raven> has anyone tried the kubuntu kde4 live cd?
[01:27] <kgx> nosrednaekim: yes please (preferably the dvd one)
[01:27] <kgx> but that probably doesnt have kde4?
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> kgx: I don't think there is a dvd one
[01:27] <usser> damit how everyone is so eager to reinvent the start menu
[01:27] <crackhead_25> i have a internal hard drive with ntfs file structure. i used to be able to use ntfs-3g to write to it. now i can only read from it and can't write to it--i keep getting an error. help?????
[01:27] <lunar-raven> i like the new start menu =(
[01:27] <kgx> nosrednaekim: thanks...i managed to get in :)
[01:27] <lunar-raven> the old was was boring
[01:27] <kgx> cheers
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> usser: you can use the old one still
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> like I do
[01:27] <usser> nosrednaekim: can i?
[01:28] <lunar-raven> yes, it's a widget you can drag onto your panel
[01:28] <usser> nosrednaekim: theres not alot of customizability here at first glance
[01:28] <kgx> nosrednaekim: well i stll have feisty, haven't had the time to upgrade last time
[01:28] <usser> i see traditional launcher it is
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> usser: sure, right click on the desktop, click "add applet, scroll down to the old sytle menu applet and drag it to the panel
[01:28] <lunar-raven> yes that's it
[01:28] <lunar-raven> :)
[01:28] <ader11> is there a kde metapackage?
[01:28] <ader11> kubuntu desktop is broken
[01:28] <usser> kde4-core
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> ad
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> ader11: kde4?
[01:29] <ader11> yes.
[01:29] <ader11> no.
[01:29] <ader11> no, kde4 is not a package
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> ader11: kde4-core
[01:29] <ader11> kde4-core is not in my repositories
[01:29] <adz21c> nosrednaekim: well i got the panel back, just htought u might like to know... to do it i pretty much deleted all my configs, i dunno which did the trick, guess i'll find out next time :-)
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> ader11: add the PPA.. read the topic
[01:29] <hunkennalle> noserednaekim: its still not working in safe graphics mode... same error
[01:30] <ader11> I know, I"m using the topic's tutorials
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> adz21c: the config is ".kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc
[01:30] <ader11> oh, you know what? I didn't run aptitude update
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: so it gets past the boot splash, and onto the login splash, and then hangs?
[01:30] <adz21c> nosrednaekim: ok
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> adz21c: for future reference
[01:31] <crackhead_25> can anyone help??? anyone have any thoughts on that problem?
[01:31] <crackhead_25> stdin: you have any insight on that problem with ntfs-3g/ntfs drives???
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> crackhead_25: sorry, I steer clear of NTFS
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> crackhead_25: haha... don't bother him right now ;)
[01:31] <crackhead_25> i know. i should too, but i had a lot from old o$.. :)
[01:32] <crackhead_25> so i have some hd's on ext.. and others on ntfs.
[01:32] <ader11> w00t I can't wait till kde finishes installing
[01:32] <hunkennalle> i dont know the name of it... when the blue loading bar is fisnished it goes and checks something (* on the lefthand side and [ok] on the righthand side)... after that the screen turns black and nothing happens
[01:33] <ader11> can I trust the ppe repository or should I remove it when I'm done
[01:34] <ader11> and what's this supposed to mean: To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1 then  and run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the Xerphyr xterm.
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> ader11: you can trust it
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> ader11: don't worry about that
[01:34] <ader11> ok :)
[01:34] <msl> Hello, has Xorg-7.3 been rolled into Kubuntu Hardy Alpha 3 yet, or is it only in Ubuntu?
[01:34] <hunkennalle> please help me noserednaekim
[01:34] <crackhead_25> what is xephyr???
[01:34] <ader11> oo! I forgot about xorg 1.7
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: ah! ok that makes a bit more sense... what video card do you have?
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> msl: anything in ubuntu is in kubuntu
[01:34] <ader11> is xorg 7.3 stable?
[01:35] <hunkennalle> nvidia something... im on a hp dv9000
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: ah, ok, my freind has one of those and he installed just fine....
[01:35] <hunkennalle> so whats the problem?
[01:35] <ader11> ubotu's kde thing needs to be fixed
[01:35] <ader11> at least I think so
[01:36] <crackhead_25> anyone know why when i start a guest session on my kubuntu and login, often it crashes after only a very short time trying to use the new session (with the other main user session running in background)???
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: not sure..... are you on another computer?
[01:36] <hunkennalle> same one... windows instaled on c drive.. going to instal kubutu 7.10 on d drive
[01:38] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: hmm ok. not sure what the problem could be...
[01:39] <hunkennalle> it seems like right before the screen shuts down theres an error code in the testing thing
[01:39] <ader11> should I choose gdm or kdm-kde4 as my display manager? I will use both the same amount of time.
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> ader11: gdm
[01:39] <ader11> nosrednaekim: reason?
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> kdm-kde4 is not exactly stable
[01:40] <blkorpheus> can someone explain why kde4 keep wanting to run @ 800x600?
[01:40] <lunar-raven> yeah..kdm-kde4 wouldnt work for me at all
[01:40] <blkorpheus> and can someone point me to a kde4 nvidia tweak page?
[01:40] <blkorpheus> thx
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> blkorpheus: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KWin/4.0-release-notes
[01:41] <hunkennalle> do you think theres something wrong with my instalation file?
[01:41] <blkorpheus> nosrednaekim: thanks!
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: you could run a check on the cd... its on the boot menu
[01:42] <blkorpheus> also, I accidently removed my status windows from the lower panel
[01:42] <hunkennalle> why should i run a check on the cd?
[01:42] <blkorpheus> yet right clicking the pnael does nothing
[01:42] <blkorpheus> panel
[01:42] <blkorpheus> how can I reset my panel?
[01:42] <blkorpheus> I have not used KDE in a LONG time
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: because thats where your "installation" file is
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> blkorpheus: "rm .kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc"
[01:43] <hunkennalle> is there an option in the menu for that?
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: yeah... where you select which thing you want to boot into.
[01:44] <hunkennalle> ok.. if thats the case... should i redownload the file and try again?
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: well, see if that is the case first... it could just be a bad CD
[01:46] <hunkennalle> ok.. ill come back when i know
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> ok
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> I may not be around
[01:46] <hunkennalle> thx
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> but someone will be
[01:46] <hunkennalle> ok
[01:47] <ilya> hi all
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> hey ilya
[01:47] <ilya> who knows how to mount audio cd ?
[01:48] <nosrednaekim> ilya: in konqueror type "audiocd:/" into the menubar
[01:49] <ilya> nosrednaekim: protocol not supported
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> ilya: are you in kde4?
[01:50] <ilya> nosrednaekim: yes
[01:50] <ilya> nosrednaekim: )
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> ilya: ah. well, then run "/usr/bin/konqueror" to pop up a kde3 konqueror and then do the audiocd thing
[01:53] <TopAgent> Hi all.. This is really weird, I LOST my min max and close buttons on the konqueror and other open pages.. how can I get them back???
[01:57] <sub[t]rnl> TopAgent➜ are you using compiz?
[01:57] <TopAgent> no
[01:58] <TopAgent> Im using fedora on my other system
[01:58] <ProblematiK> man this takbar in KDE 4 is huge
[01:58] <ProblematiK> :p
[01:58] <ProblematiK> taskbar
[01:58] <TopAgent> Im told it is similar to ubuntu
[01:58] <ilya> nosrednaekim: don't work (
[01:58] <TopAgent> what is compiz.. I say no because I didnt see it and didn't install it'\
[01:59] <sub[t]rnl> TopAgent➜ try "kwin" to get it back
[01:59] <TopAgent> thx i will
[01:59] <hunkennalle> nosrednaekim: it says no problems with the cd... tried instaling again but same problem
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: ok
[02:00] <[Nige]> hi all
[02:00] <DaWolffe> i have a stupid question about the live cd to get kde 4
[02:00] <[Nige]> anyone running KDE4 on kubuntu?
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> [Nige]: that seems to be the big topic, yes :)
[02:01] <DaWolffe> LoL
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: try this... after the screen goes black, press "ctrl+alt+f2"
[02:01] <DaWolffe> the live cd is just bare minimums.. no packages.. but i can build it up right?
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> DaWolffe: it has packages on it....
[02:01] <[Nige]> I installed it and it doesn't seem to bad, but there are a few things that I am worried about
[02:01] <DaWolffe> ahh i must have misunderstood the post, thanks
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> DaWolffe: wiat.... which liveCD are yoiu talking about?
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> [Nige]: such as....
[02:02] <hunkennalle> ok... what would that do?
[02:02] <DaWolffe> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/
[02:02] <DaWolffe> that one
[02:02] <ader10> Help please! KDE fails to start! http://pastebin.com/m5489e502
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> DaWolffe: ah ok...
[02:02] <[Nige]> well, the clock only seems to be a widget, I havent yet figured out how to change the size of my task bar, and the system try (notification bar has gone awol )
[02:03] <TopAgent> suv[t[rnl wow... I cant type anything in my other sys
[02:03] <sub[t]rnl> try alt+f2
[02:03] <sub[t]rnl> see if you can get a dialog to type in
[02:03] <[Nige]> but I expect this to be only because its just been released
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> ok, the panel cannot be made smaller.
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> you can add a system tray by right clicking on the deaktop->ad applet and dragthe system tray to the panel
[02:04] <TopAgent> no good
[02:04] <[Nige]> nosrednaekim, I got that impression after going through look and feel :(
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: it will give you a text prompt
[02:04] <hunkennalle> witch will tell me what?
[02:04] <sub[t]rnl> TopAgent➜ Can't type?
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> [Nige]: yeah the panel is bit lacking in features
[02:04] <[Nige]> applet or widget, i only have a widget option :(
[02:04] <TopAgent> I cant type in the field boxes or anything
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: run this on the command line "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[02:05] <TopAgent> on terminal
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> [Nige]: widget.. sorry
[02:05] <TopAgent> or search
[02:05] <sub[t]rnl> TopAgent➜ ctrl + alt + backspace and restart kdm
[02:05] <hunkennalle> ok
[02:05] <TopAgent> trying
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: if that doesn't work.....
[02:06] <TopAgent> still cannot type in terminal
[02:06] <hunkennalle> ill try it
[02:06] <[Nige]> I will try dragging it again
[02:06] <TopAgent> and the box looks differant..   there is no min max or close button
[02:06] <[Nige]> it didnt seem to like being dragged at the moment
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> ader10: hrm.... you are trying to start compiz?
[02:07] <ader10> nosrednaekim: I'm trying to start kde.
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> ader10: kde4?
[02:07] <ader10> nosrednaekim: correct
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> ader10: ok, for some reason, its trying to start compiz.
[02:07] <ader10> nosrednaekim: if the kde4 desktop entry does anything to do with the xsession script then that's logical
[02:07] <TopAgent> im using firefox or konqueror and I have to file quit to close...
[02:08] <ader10> (wohoo! terrible grammar!)
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> ader10: what?
[02:08] <ader10> you know how in gdm you select what "session" you want?
[02:09] <ader10> I selected the kde4 session
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> ader10: yeah
[02:09] <[Nige]> nosrednaekim, am i missing something with the dragging it onto the bar, because it doesnt seem to join the task bar
[02:09] <ader10> and that's the output
[02:09] <ader10> and yes, it does look like it's starting compiz at the same time
[02:09] <[Nige]> ahh okay
[02:09] <[Nige]> i figured it out
[02:09] <[Nige]> cheers :)
[02:09] <TopAgent> all i can do in terminal is open it and close it by file quit... cannot type in anything
[02:10] <lennie> hi,all
[02:10] <lennie> I put "exec startkde" in .xinitrc,and run startx,I  got kde3.5.8
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> ader10: weird....
[02:11] <lennie> I need to wait and wait ?
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> lennie: what are you trying to do?
[02:11] <ader10> nosrednaekim: It might be smart for me to mention that I'm not on a native kubuntu install, this is ubuntu and I'm attempting to get rid of gnome
[02:11] <ader10> nosrednaekim: if that changes anything
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> ader10: well, don't get rid of gnome yet ;)
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> ader10: in gnome, turn off compiz. and log back out and try again
[02:12] <ader10> nosrednaekim: kubuntu-desktop in the repositories is broken, also. I was hoping kde4 would do it
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> ader10: kubuntu-desktop is broken?
[02:12] <ader10> nosrednaekim: Ok, I'll try and I'll be right back to let you know the results
[02:12] <ader10> yeah I'll tell you about the broken package when I get back
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> ok
[02:13] <lennie> nosrednaekim, I downloaded Chinese language files
[02:14] <[Nige]> sorry, I closed it somehouse :)
[02:14] <lennie> but in control panel,I can not choice Chinese except English
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> [Nige]: did what?
[02:15] <ader10> nosrednaekim: disabling compiz did nothing, I get the same error message
[02:15] <lennie> someone told me ,I can export KDE_LANG=zh_CN
[02:16] <lennie> nosrednaekim, so I want to start kde manual
[02:16] <lennie> nosrednaekim, instead of gdm/kdm
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> ader10: ok.. so whats wrong with kubuntu-dekstop
[02:16] <[Nige]> i managed to close xchat while playing with system settings
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> lennie: ah...put that line in your .bashrc and start kde normally.
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> [Nige]: oh... thought you had killed your panel or something
[02:17] <ader10> I got some error similar to the first one mentioned in the link but it was about permissions, kstartupconfig or something with k and config in the name couldn't create the folder ~/.kde I think
[02:17] <ader10> nosrednaekim: see 1 line above
[02:17] <lennie> start kde normally.  <=I refer this?
[02:17] <carlos> are someone using gutsy amd64
[02:17] <lennie> how to star kde normailly
[02:17] <ader10> carlos: I am
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> lennie: from within kdm
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> carlos: yes
[02:18] <lennie> nosrednaekim, o ,put this line in my .bashrc is evailable ?
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> ader10: ok, log back out and get the exact error message.. write it down
[02:18] <jawee> ok, i know this is lazy, but I'm tired of messing with it. I installed kde4-games and it errored out. apt-get install -f doesn't work
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> !ch
[02:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:18] <ader10> nosrednaekim: the exact error message was in the pastebin link
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> jawee: what error
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> !cn
[02:18] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[02:18] <ader10> nosrednaekim: or do you mean the kubuntu-desktop one
[02:18] <[Nige]> wheres the best place to get more widgets from?
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> ader10: this about kstartupconfig...
[02:19] <lennie> nosrednaekim, I will have a try again
[02:19] <carlos> nosred: your system are freezing?
[02:19] <TopAgent> I just reset all konqueror settings to default and that fixed my problem...
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> carlos: nope... rock stable
[02:19] <jawee> nosrednaekim: one sec, I'll reproduce it
[02:19] <ader10> nosrednaekim: you realize it'll be tedious for me to remove kde4 again and install kubuntu-desktop again and write down the error message again to relay it again
[02:20] <jawee> nosrednaekim: and I think I'll maybe use a pastebin
[02:20] <ader10> nosrednaekim: I'll go through the trouble if you are pretty sure you can do something about it
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> ader10: oh... never mind... I was confused ;)
[02:20] <ader10> :S
[02:20] <kyled185> I'm curious, the "Get New Widgets" button is disabled in the add widget app in KDE 4, How or where do we get more plasmoids?
[02:20] <ader10> kyled185: I don't know for sure but kde-look.org might have somthing
[02:20] <ader10> something
[02:21] <jawee>    http://pastebin.ca/851620
[02:21] <musik> jep
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> kyled185: eventually you will be able to get them from kde-apps
[02:21] <hunkennalle> the text prompt didnt come up
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: ctrl+alt+f2?
[02:22] <hunkennalle> yes
[02:22] <hunkennalle> nothing
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: sorry, I don't know what to say...
[02:22] <jawee> http://pastebin.ca/851620 is my error I am getting
[02:22] <hunkennalle> im gonna try the alternativ instalation
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> jawee: uninstall the kde4game-data, which is an old package
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> hunkennalle: ok. thats a bit harder... but read the directions and you should be fine
[02:23] <hunkennalle> ok
[02:23] <ader10> nosrednaekim: maybe if your 300 or so other friends were actually at the computer us noobs could get some more help ;) It's hard to help everybody by yourself
[02:23] <[Nige]> nosrednaekim, do you know if there is a new package for knetwork-manager for kde4?
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> [Nige]: no.. there is not
[02:24] <[Nige]> okay
[02:24] <[Nige]> :(
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> ader10: ah! ok... try this...log out, log into kde4, wehn it errors out do NOT log back into gnome. go to ctrl+alt+f2, log in run "cp .xession-errors errors" go back to gdm, log into gnome and pastebin that "errors" file
[02:25] <ader10> nosrednaekim: ah, smart.
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> ader10: I think your gnome session was overwriting the errors file
[02:26] <ader10> yes
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> hence the GTK warningings
[02:26] <TopAgent> I have a smart phone, sprint HTC touch and it is quite nice.. Is there any software that I can use to connect it to the system? I have tried some ( kmobile, kandy ) and none seem to find the phone.. I know it is somewhat new but is there any hope other than windows??
[02:28] <[Nige]> hmm konqueror seems to crash on smb :(
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> TopAgent: google it...
[02:29] <TopAgent> k
[02:29] <g2g591> [Nige]: do you have samba-common installed
[02:29] <[Nige]> i should do,
[02:29] <[Nige]> I will check
[02:30] <[Nige]> g2g591, its installed :)
[02:30] <[Nige]> or was installed already :S
[02:31] <ader10> nosrednaekim: alt-f2 didn't work, and ctrl-alt-f# didn't work either, just gave me a blinking cursor. So I tried the failsafe terminal login but I don't think that's what you want. anyway here it is: http://pastebin.com/m6dc1eb01
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> ok... we'll see
[02:31] <g2g591> [Nige]: yeah, that means installed. I'm stumped, it worked (a while ago, when I had a nother computer with windows) for me
[02:32] <adz21c> nosrednaekim: hey, just been fidling with the config file u mentioned, I managed to move panel to other screen (woot) but I can't make it small, i set it to a height of 20 but its still same size, is the panel 56 in height minimum or something do you know?
[02:32] <[Nige]> g2g591, it crashed  trying to connect to debian server :S
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> adz21c: I have no clue... i haven't tried fiddling with sizes
[02:32] <adz21c> nosrednaekim: ok cheers anyway
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> ader10: hmm lemme check on something
[02:33] <g2g591> [Nige]:debian server? huh?
[02:34] <[Nige]> Yer I have debian server at home :) konqueror crashed when trying to connect
[02:35] <g2g591> [Nige]: Ok, how about I point you to the Linux way of shareing folders, instead of the linux<->Windows way
[02:35] <[Nige]> g2g591, the folders are shared, it just seems to be a kde 4 thing, it worked with the other version of kde :)
[02:35] <[Nige]> samba is setup the way it should be
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> ader10: hum seems to be a common problem
[02:36] <ader10> nosrednaekim: link
[02:36] <ader10> ?
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> ader10: looking for one that actually has a fix ;)
[02:36] <g2g591> [Nige] well, does it work in the kde 3 version of Konqueror
[02:37] <osiris> so will kde 4 be an update for dapper ?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> osiris: nope :)
[02:37] <g2g591> osirir: definatly not
[02:37] <g2g591> osiris:
[02:38] <[Nige]> g2g591, it used to work fine :)
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> ader10: ok! run "sudo apt-get autoclean"
[02:38] <g2g591> osiris: Dapper is an (old) LTS release, it won't be updated with new , relitivly unstable KDE 4.0
[02:38] <flamesage> Can someone help me get my mic working?
[02:38] <osiris> k, just wondering
[02:39] <ader10> Earth to nosrednaekim...
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> ader10: and run a "df" for me too... your disk may be full
[02:39] <[Nige]> whooops
[02:39] <ader10> no, 56 percent disk usage
[02:39] <ader10> no more
[02:39] <g2g591> osiris: The next lts release is the very next release, Hardy Heron, It will have a version with kde 4 installed by default
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> ader10: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.mandriva/browse_thread/thread/92ebd81eb119c93c
[02:39] <osiris> kewl.  im waiting for lts
[02:40] <Raspberry> I'm having DRI problems with my xorg server...
[02:40] <Raspberry> It says that it's not running
[02:40] <flamesage> Is anyone here good with mics?
[02:40] <Raspberry> I checked it last week and It was working fine -- is there anything I can do to get Direct Rendering working again?
[02:41] <osiris> is anyone else having a problem with smb4k today ? I told it what workgroup to be on, but all is seems to see if the default workgroup of "workgroup"
[02:41] <g2g591> osiris: I'm using hardy now, I have 722 updates waiting (I'm sorta half way between Gutsy and Hardy)
[02:41] <ader10> nosrednaekim: Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[02:41] <ader10> /dev/hdd3              32G   18G   12G  61% /
[02:41] <osiris> im thinking i need to delete the ~/. file for it
[02:42] <g2g591> osiris: sounds like a decent idea
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> ader10: could you pastebin the whole output of "df"?
[02:42] <Rodolfo> hello everybody! ppl still says the next version of Kubuntu 8.04HH(if available to be released) won't be LTS. Is this because of  the new KDE4?
[02:42] <osiris> g2g591, not to sound rude, but i dont have time anymore to constantly play the update game with all the latest mini versions
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> Rodolfo: pretty much
[02:43] <ader10> nosrednaekim: http://pastebin.com/m27345b91
[02:43] <[Nige]> oh well smb4k still seems to work :)
[02:43] <g2g591> osiris: oh yeah forgot, Kubuntu hardy wont be lts, but ubuntu hardy will
[02:43] <osiris> i dont do ANY debugging of packages or beta testing anymore.  just dont have any time anymore
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> ader10: ok
[02:44] <[Nige]> I think i like kde 4 :)
[02:44] <g2g591> Rodolfo: yes, because the devs would have to split their attention too much between 3.5.x and 4.x.y for an extra long time. Canocal made the call, not the Kubuntu devs
[02:44] <Rodolfo> nosrednaekim: let's assume that the new version comes out! what do you think: either it will be with KDE3.5.8 embedded to be LTS or KDE4 anyway?
[02:44] <Raspberry> how do you turn on DRI ?
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> Rodolfo: the new version is out ;)
[02:45] <g2g591> Rodolfo: There will be 2 releases of hardy, one with 3.5 as default and one with 4 as the default
[02:45] <Rodolfo> nosrednaekim: I mean to be with Kubuntu HH
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> Rodolfo: as of today :)
[02:46] <Rodolfo> g2g591: what?
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> ader10: i'm out of ideas....
[02:46] <Rodolfo> g2g591: and where did you see that?
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> :(
[02:46] <[Nige]> kde4 now does ntfs ?
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> Rodolfo: that is whats happening
[02:46] <g2g591> Rodolfo: a lots of places
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> [Nige]: well, gutsy does
[02:47] <Rodolfo> g2g591: please mention just one of them
[02:47] <[Nige]> natively nosrednaekim ?
[02:47] <Rodolfo> g2g591: I need details
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> [Nige]: via FUSE
[02:47] <g2g591> Rodolfo: ill go find them again.....
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> !LTS
[02:47] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[02:47] <Rodolfo> g2g591: thanks :D
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> meh...
[02:47] <[Nige]> fair enough, sounds goood to me :)
[02:47] <[Nige]> oh well
[02:48] <pierreth> hello
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> hey pierreth
[02:48] <pierreth> I am upgrading from version 7.04 to 7.10
[02:48] <g2g591> Rodolfo: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha3/Kubuntu for one\
[02:49] <Rodolfo> g2g591, nosrednaekim: as far as I knwo, Kubuntu has only 35% of the total downloads counted by Canonical. So the question is if why are they doing that?
[02:49] <pierreth> is it normal that the upgarde window stay in the same state for a long time?
[02:49] <jsubl2> what is the best wayto try kde4... 7.10 release or the alphas
[02:50] <g2g591> Rodolfo: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-December/002111.html , answers the 3.5-4 split and your latest question
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> Rodolfo: for two reasons(as I understand it). 1) kde3 is almost done with its life cycle and they don't want to have to support it for 3 years
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> 2) they don't want to make KDE4 supported either because its too unstable
[02:51] <jawee> ok
[02:51] <g2g591> nosrednaekim: good explaination
[02:51] <merde> I installed ubuntu.  I installed the drivers from the nvidia page.  It loaded after installing, but after rebooting it didn't work.  So I installed the drivers using apt and that didn't work.  but after that when I hit ctrl+alt+f1 it doesn't show anything
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> merde: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[02:52] <merde> kubuntu
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> ok :) did you try using the restrcicted-manager?
[02:53] <merde> well yeah
[02:53] <merde> I did all of that
[02:53] <merde> I have a geforce fx 5200 so the ubuntu drivers don't work
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> why not?
[02:53] <merde> I have to compile my own in order for it tow ork
[02:53] <merde> dunno, it's something about the drivers
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> oh..ok
[02:53] <merde> but that's not the problem
[02:54] <merde> the only way I can get anything is if I boot using the restore option
[02:54] <merde> otherwise it shows the usplash and load X
[02:54] <merde> when I type
[02:55] <merde> ps -e, It shows getty in it, but it won't show
[02:55] <specialbuddy> how do I get the kde4 effects to work?
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> specialbuddy: knew you'd be back... gotta link for you :)
[02:55] <Rodolfo> g2g591, nosrednaekim: thank you guys for making this clear for me :)
[02:56] <g2g591> specialbuddy: right click one of the window titles, and click more options, or advanced options or something like that
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> specialbuddy: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KWin/4.0-release-notes
[02:57] <Impiety> I'm so officially baffled
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> Impiety: whats the problem?
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> Rodolfo: NP.... its rather confusing ;)
[02:57] <Impiety> nosrednaekim: I'm the guy who was using the nickname merde, had to change it because it was used by someone else
[02:58] <g2g591> Rodolfo: yeah, it is actually rather confusing to us too, sorry if we made it too clear
[02:58] <LoKi0480> How do you fix Grub Loading Stage 1.5
[02:58] <LoKi0480> Grub Error 17
[02:58] <Rodolfo> no problem ;)
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> Impiety: oh ok...booting normal mode doesn't work at all?
[02:59] <Impiety> yes it does
[02:59] <LoKi0480> yeah no boot.
[02:59] <Impiety> it just doesn't show anything in tty1 or tty2 or tty3
[02:59] <Impiety> etc
[02:59] <biovore> LoKi0480: bios problem..  has to do with how the bios reports the disk orders
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> Impiety: oh... I thin thats an nvidia problem
[02:59] <g2g591> impiety: to "reserve" a nick name for your self so that others can not use it, /msg NickServ register desired_password
[02:59] <Impiety> this nick is registered to me
[02:59] <LoKi0480> it's a new hd
[02:59] <Impiety> my username is merde so it used that by default
[03:00] <LoKi0480> what's tty1 or 2 or 3
[03:00] <Impiety> umm...
[03:00] <Impiety> when you hit ctrl+alt+f1
[03:00] <Impiety> it shwos a console
[03:00] <LoKi0480> oh
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> Impiety: so X works and everything?
[03:00] <Impiety> yeah
[03:00] <Impiety> it works fine
[03:00] <Impiety> loads gl and everything even compiz
[03:00] <Impiety> it's pretty
[03:00] <LoKi0480> i'm running server only
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> Impiety: yeah... I think thats a bug with the kernel framebuffer and the nvidia driver
[03:01] <LoKi0480> this has happened before it's really starting to bother me...
[03:02] <Impiety> hrm
[03:02] <LoKi0480> any idea's on how to recover other the a fresh os
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> LoKi0480: boot a liveCD and recover grub
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> !grub
[03:04] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:04] <LoKi0480> i'm using this box a file server, is this because windows machine's are accessing it or is this a common problem
[03:05] <specialbuddy> I'm having problems when I copy a link from xchat
[03:05] <specialbuddy> xchat just shuts off
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> specialbuddy: use konversation
[03:05] <specialbuddy> I'm also still having a problem with effects
[03:05] <specialbuddy> they are on
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> did you turn the indiviual ones on?
[03:06] <LoKi0480> i'll try this in the morning, thanks guys...
[03:06] <specialbuddy> box switch, desktop grid, and taskbar thumnails are all on
[03:07] <Impiety> nosrednaekim: what do you suggest I do
[03:07] <osiris> ok, so  according to my testing accross 2 machines, it seems that the samba updates i got today broke smb4k in the fact that it will olny thing it is assigned the default workgroup of workgroup. (this is for dapper)
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> specialbuddy: turn on translucency
[03:07] <osiris> manual mount is fine
[03:08] <specialbuddy> what does translucency do?  It's on and nothing changed
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> Impiety: search google... I think there is a hack. search for something like "linux nvidia framebuffer problems"
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> specialbuddy: did you hit apply?
[03:08] <specialbuddy> yeah
[03:08] <Impiety> nosrednaekim: thanks man
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> specialbuddy: read that link I sent.. it says how to debug kwin
[03:09] <specialbuddy> ok
[03:13] <interfear> If I download the gutsy live cd w/ kde4 can I install kubuntu from there and it will be with kde 4?
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> interfear: yeah..I believe you can install from that CD
[03:13] <interfear> nice
[03:13] <g2g591> Interfear: it probabily will not be 4.0.0 as it just came out today and cd images need to be update
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> nope... its kde4.0
[03:14] <interfear> sweet
[03:14] <interfear> i can't stand gnome anymore
[03:14] <g2g591> good glad im worng
[03:14] <interfear> ive been waiting for kde4 so i can switch to kubuntu and play with new toys
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> g2g591: while it was just RELEASED today.... the packages have been in development for about a week
[03:15] <g2g591> Im doing an svn update from a checkout a few days before the 4.0 release (about when it was tagged), and there are so many changes
[03:15] <intelikey> Q. can one watch movies that are blue ray format, from the hdd just like normal dvd iso's ?
[03:15] <g2g591> manly a bunch of icons
[03:15] <biovore> yup.. is been very active the last week or so..
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: wow... where'd you get one of those
[03:16] <g2g591> nosrednaekim: I know it has been sitting around frozen in /branches/4.0 or something
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: I think blueray has a new type of encryption .
[03:16] <intelikey> figures.
[03:17] <intelikey> so it will be a while eeh
[03:17] <g2g591> I'm in progress of making a Gentoo install with KDE-svn
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: put dvdJon on it ;)
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> ok.. bye everyong.. have fun with kde4
[03:17] <intelikey> ;)
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> *everyone
[03:17] <adz21c> cya :-)
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> or with you 1980's command line...*ahem intelikey ahem* ;)
[03:18] <g2g591> nosrednaekim: hey don't diss the current state of my gentoo install!
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> XD
[03:19] <g2g591> Thank goodness for chroot, im installing kde 4 on gentoo from a Konsole window in Kubuntu
[03:20] <dbmoodb> hi ah kde 4 released for kubuntu gutsy or only hardy ?
[03:21] <adz21c> dbmoodb: u can get it on gutsy
[03:21] <dbmoodb> k
[03:21] <dbmoodb> ah is it in the repos ?
[03:21] <dbmoodb> or only from that one  - reading the link
[03:21] <adz21c> www.kubuntu.org
[03:21] <adz21c> see the announcement
[03:21] <dbmoodb> i'm reading it
[03:21] <adz21c> yea, the full thing is in there
[03:22] <dbmoodb> but not in the existing repos ?
[03:22] <dbmoodb> aka my isp
[03:22] <adz21c> some of its in backports, i think they are moving it there but its not done, so for now try not to mix them, might be worth disabling backports while u install
[03:22] <dbmoodb> don't have them on
[03:22] <adz21c> ok
[03:22] <dbmoodb> mmm kde4base is in the repos i have here
[03:23] <grul> never gonna give you up! never gonna let you down, never gonna run around and desert you!!!
[03:23] <adz21c> nope
[03:23] <g2g591> dbmoodb:well, check the version is the best advice i have for you
[03:23] <adz21c> yea the version will be 4.0.0
[03:23] <dbmoodb> kde ?
[03:23] <dbmoodb> i have here 3.94 in my repo
[03:24] <adz21c> yea, its not in main repos, it will be in backports i think but its not quite there yet
[03:24] <dbmoodb> mmm might add the hardy stuff to this - isp should have it in there - its in the hardy repos ?
[03:24] <adz21c> so launchpads the way
[03:24] <g2g591> dbmoodb:then use the other repo from the release announcement
[03:24] <dbmoodb> -trying to get it quota free
[03:24] <dbmoodb> nar from my isp
[03:24] <dbmoodb> !iinet
[03:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iinet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:24] <dbmoodb> meh works in debian
[03:25] <g2g591> dbmoodb: warning:do not add hardy stuff unless you want an extreamly unstable system
[03:25] <dbmoodb> :)
[03:25] <dbmoodb> i run debian etch as my main os
[03:25] <dbmoodb> so ah hardy backports will do ?
[03:26] <mschiff_> has anybody tried to create a directory with kubuntu kde 4.0.0?
[03:26] <g2g591> dbmoodb: hardy backports are packages that won't make it into hardy, use gutsy backports instead
[03:26] <dbmoodb> ah
[03:27] <adz21c> mschiff_: i interestly can't.....
[03:27] <g2g591> dbmoodb: i run Kubuntu, its sorta half way between Gutsy and Hardy,
[03:27] <g2g591> dbmoodb: I havn't bothered finishing hte upgrade  yet
[03:27] <dbmoodb> eh ?
[03:27] <mschiff_> adz21c: yes you can't ;)
[03:27] <dbmoodb> i'm playing with ubuntu now
[03:27] <mschiff_> there is no menu option for it...
[03:27] <dbmoodb> well kg/ubuntu
[03:28] <adz21c> thats just weird
[03:28] <adz21c> lol
[03:28] <g2g591> dbmoodb: I've played around with Debian testing and Unstable, it works pretty well, but it doesn't seem to work as well as *buntu
[03:28] <dbmoodb> .....
[03:28] <dbmoodb> g2g ?
[03:29] <g2g591> dbmoodb: ?
[03:29] <dbmoodb> ubuntu and kubuntu sync with debian testing every 6 months or so i believe then fix it up so yeah, it will be very different to what you run
[03:29] <dbmoodb> debian etch is what you run if you want a stable, fast etc. built distro
[03:29] <dbmoodb> just like some one told me not to add hardy stuff, i recommend using stable for debian
[03:30] <intelikey> here here !
[03:32] <g2g591> dbmoodb: I don't like stability :p
[03:32] <Aulus> When I follow the directions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php, I get the following error: http://rafb.net/p/0QeOcI53.html. Could someone help me with fixing this?
[03:32] <g2g591> dbmoodb: I like testing things when they are brand new and potentally unstable
[03:32] <intelikey> g2g591 then use vesta
[03:33] <g2g591> intellikey: vista is half baked and slow as crap, its what lead me to use linux
[03:33] <dbmoodb> so then why do you say that debian testing and unstable are different to ubuntu mm?
[03:33] <dbmoodb> oh really g2g
[03:33] <dbmoodb> you are the first vista linux switch i know by net
[03:34] <intelikey> g2g591 thought you "don't like stability" :)))
[03:34] <sFEARs> i get a "no space left on device" error when i try to make kpkg.. anyone know how i can clear up some space.. i have 20 gigs left on the hard drive
[03:34] <g2g591> dbmoodb: well, Kubuntu made configuring a bunch of stuff like nvidia drivers a lot easier
[03:34] <dbmoodb> apt-get install localpurge
[03:34] <adz21c> Aulus: try installing just kdebase-kde4 see what it says thats not going to be installed
[03:35] <dbmoodb> g2g ... ah not really
[03:35] <dbmoodb> brb
[03:35] <sFEARs> is that to me dbmoodb
[03:35] <sFEARs> localpurge
[03:35] <intelikey> sFEARs you could clear out the archive cache   you could empty the trash     you could even set the reserved blocks to a lower percent
[03:35] <sFEARs> i get an error about writing to /tmp
[03:35] <g2g591> intelikey: well Hardy isn't stable, thats what im running
[03:35] <dbmoodb> it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
[03:36] <dbmoodb> that too
[03:36] <dbmoodb> apt-get clean
[03:36] <Aulus> adz21c: here's the output: http://rafb.net/p/Wfq8ee46.html
[03:36] <intelikey> sFEARs if that dont do it for you   you can always start deleting crap    :)))
[03:36] <sFEARs> i was having the same error on "make xconfig" i cleared the trashed & it worked.. but now i'm getting the same error again on make kpkg.. but i have lots of space left on the drive
[03:36] <dbmoodb> that is how you would do it in debian g2g
[03:36] <g2g591> dbmoodb: I know how to install nvidia drivers by hand, but the Ubuntu one liner to install is apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:36] <sFEARs> i have over 20 gigs left.. that has to be enough
[03:37] <intelikey> sFEARs try running it as root ?
[03:37] <dbmoodb> ah how do i add backports mmm
[03:37] <sFEARs> did run as root
[03:37] <dbmoodb> is it blah/ gutsy-backports ?
[03:37] <adz21c> Aulus: keep choosing the lowest level of each of that outputs apps till u get something with a different message, so for example now try kdebase-bin-kde4, and if that just gets loads of such and such wont be installed, keep trying till u get something different
[03:37] <g2g591> dbmoodb: /etc/init.d/kdm stop && sh Nvidia(someotherstuffiforgot).pkg && /etc/init.d/kdm start
[03:37] <intelikey> sFEARs and it errors with no space left   as root ?
[03:37] <sFEARs> yup.. sudo -s -H
[03:38] <sFEARs> as well as sudo make kpkg
[03:38] <sFEARs> i tried both ways
[03:38] <intelikey> sFEARs pastebin    cat /proc/mounts /proc/partitions   for me.
[03:38] <dbmoodb> mmm?
[03:38] <sFEARs> alright
[03:39] <dbmoodb> for backports ?..
[03:39] <dbmoodb> !backport
[03:39] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[03:39] <g2g591> dbmoodb: no, theres a check box in adept
[03:39] <dbmoodb> eh
[03:40] <pepe> can anyone help me with amsn and compiz-fusion? my computer freezes wen I start Amsn
[03:40] <dbmoodb> oh i see it now
[03:40] <sFEARs> !pastebin
[03:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:41] <Aulus> adz21c: could you share your sources.list file? Nothing's working
[03:41] <g2g591> dbmoodb:to enable backports, run kdesu adept_manager, then click adept, then click manage repositories, then click the updates tab then click unsupported updates
[03:41] <dbmoodb> ok now to get kde4 - is there a metapackage in packports ?
[03:41] <dbmoodb> i did g2g
[03:41] <adz21c> Aulus: mines just the standard kubuntu main, universe, multiverse and the other, updates and the ppa in the announcement
[03:41] <sFEARs> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51623/
[03:42] <kristjan_> I need a program that records my desktop to video
[03:42] <dbmoodb> apt-get install kd4 ? rofl
[03:42] <intelikey> sFEARs k.  looking...
[03:42] <g2g591> dbmoodb: not sure
[03:42] <dbmoodb> oh and why is the flash plugin broken - adobe ?
[03:43] <g2g591> dbmoodb:not sure (can't remember)
[03:43] <biovore> yup
[03:43] <biovore> !flash
[03:43] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:43] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[03:43] <dbmoodb> ... rofl
[03:43] <kristjan_> *screen capturing program to be more specific
[03:43] <dbmoodb> time till fix tho ?
[03:43] <intelikey> sFEARs one more thing   df -h
[03:44] <Aulus> "Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1) but 4.1.2-0ubuntu4 is to be installed" wouldn't this mean I have the wrong stuff? I'm on gutsy
[03:44] <intelikey> the free space may be at the wrong place.
[03:44] <FaiDillinGer> i love kubuntu
[03:44] <Zombocom> same here
[03:44] <sFEARs> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51624/
[03:45] <sFEARs> ohh.. i see it now
[03:45] <intelikey> sFEARs yeah.  you are running out of space on the root fs     784M  92% /     that's where /tmp is.
[03:46] <adz21c> Aulus: no both versions of libstdc++6 are availble in gutsy, try upgrading it
[03:46] <adz21c> Aulus:
[03:46] <intelikey> sFEARs try emptying the package cache      sudo apt-get clean
[03:46] <intelikey> then check the    df -h     see what you gained.
[03:47] <sFEARs> alright
[03:47] <pepe> please, I want to use AMSN but my computer freezes when I start it...
[03:47] <sFEARs> crap.. still downloading.. i'll try that once apt is done
[03:47] <FaiDillinGer> what a pity
[03:48] <sFEARs> i did do that earlier though..and it still runs out of space
[03:48] <intelikey> sFEARs apt probably wont get done,  it will probably errror out
[03:48] <dbmoodb> :) i love my isp
[03:48] <sFEARs> i understand
[03:49] <sFEARs> i compiled a kernel the other day with no problems.. i wonder what files it left behind i can delete
[03:49] <dbmoodb> mmm i do not feel your pain add a nas device
[03:49] <dbmoodb> or use mine if you want :)
[03:49] <kristjan_> if anyone interested - krecordmydesktop is good enough for such task
[03:50] <Aulus> adz21c: I tried that, how could I correct the error "The following packages have been kept back:"?
[03:50] <dbmoodb> apt-upgrade ?
[03:51] <dbmoodb> mmm  -hopes kde4 will look better than 3
[03:51] <sFEARs> i can empty the /usr/src folder with no problems right?
[03:51] <adz21c> Aulus: its just a matter of satisfying dependencies, packages are kept back if you can't forefill all the dependencies
[03:51] <dbmoodb> - sfears didn't you just say you compiled a kernel ?
[03:51] <sFEARs> yeah
[03:51] <dbmoodb> so where did you put the kernel to compile it ?
[03:51] <sFEARs> /usr/src
[03:52] <dbmoodb> and you got which package to install it ?
[03:52] <sFEARs> i think
[03:52] <sFEARs> kpkg
[03:52] <intelikey> sFEARs you might also do something like    du -sSxh /    to see where that 9g of root fs went   that would be a lot of system.       and yes you can empty /usr/src  but if you don't keep the makefule   you may not be able to uninstall
[03:52] <dbmoodb> ah no i mean the linux kernel package to get the soruce
[03:52] <dbmoodb> sfears - got another comp ?
[03:52] <sFEARs> i downloaded from kernel.org
[03:52] <interfear> how do i get sound to work in kubuntu? it worked fine in ubuntu 7.10
[03:52] <dbmoodb> oh ... not via - ok fine
[03:52] <sFEARs> yeah, but it's not online
[03:53] <dbmoodb> eh ?
[03:53] <dbmoodb> i take it you are not at home then
[03:53] <michael__> kde 4 is out sweet
[03:54] <sFEARs> so you said that if i delete the files from /usr/src i won't be able to uninstall??
[03:54] <g2g591> dbmoodb:I'd recommend you put your source in /usr/src/kernelversion then replace the /usr/src/linux symlink so it links to your kernel source instead of the preinstalled
[03:54] <Aulus> um, is a 'dist-upgrade' for gusty supposed to remove kdm?
[03:55] <dbmoodb> eh ? tis not me with the kernel
[03:55] <sFEARs> <~~~ kernel problems
[03:55] <sFEARs> and that's what i did g2g591
[03:55] <intelikey> sFEARs what you build has to be uninstalled the same way it's installed.   that's all i'm saying.
[03:55] <dbmoodb> i was just saying that so as to go - well if you delete it then how will you recompile
[03:55] <dbmoodb> - sfears - should be
[03:55] <intelikey> and the   command i should have gave was   du -cSxh / | sort -n
[03:56] <dbmoodb> how do i build deps and stuff mm? - trying to get kdebase-bin-kde4 to install
[03:56] <g2g591> dbmoodb:you have to explictly tell it to install the dependancies, for some reason
[03:56] <intelikey> the two biggest dirs i have are   1020K   /usr/share/doc/blt/html
[03:56] <intelikey> 1020K   /usr/share/icons/kdeclassic/32x32/actions
[03:56] <sFEARs> well i'll delte everything other than the current kernel i'm compiling
[03:56] <dbmoodb> - what command is that ?
[03:56] <sFEARs> mabey that would free up enough space
[03:56] <dbmoodb> --build-deps ?
[03:57] <michael__> hello everyone i was tryin just earlier on to set a specific app kwrite to open txt files so i right clicked and was tryin but it wasn't configurin it was still askin for an app to open the note file and now  everytime i open other doc even program i get this error message statin
[03:57] <michael__> application/octet-stream
[03:57] <michael__> wat does that mean
[03:57] <g2g591> dbmoodb: perhaps?
[03:57] <sFEARs> i'm not interested in using the kernel i compiled the other day anyway, how would i uninstall it?
[03:58] <g2g591> sFEARs:cd ing to the directory with the source of that kernel and using make uninstall
[03:58] <sFEARs> cool
[03:58] <michael__> Could not find mime type application/octet-stream
[03:59] <snarkster> im not so sure I wan.. :( amd I crazy?na change to kde4 right now
[03:59] <dbmoodb> - main comp / main os ?
[03:59] <corinth> I installed Kubuntu through the kubuntu-desktop metapackage. During setup, I selected gdm as my default. What is the command to run that tool again in konsole so I can select kdm?
[03:59] <sFEARs> could i also create a symlink on my /home folder & compile in there on the partition where i have plenty of space?
[03:59] <g2g591> michael_:try rebooting, see if its a temporary issue
[03:59] <sFEARs> or does it need to be done in the /src folder?
[03:59] <g2g591> corinth: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[04:00] <intelikey> sFEARs yes you can
[04:00] <corinth> g2g591: Ah, thanks so much!
[04:00] <snarkster> let me try that again as it didnt come out right.. Im not sure I wanna goto kde 4. :( amd I crazy?
[04:00] <sFEARs> amd I crazy.. good sales pitch
[04:00] <intelikey> sFEARs if you make  ln -s /home/something/ro/other /usr/src    but /usr/src has to not exist first.
[04:00] <g2g591> snarkster: let me tell you what you think and will do, you will go 3.5 and go back to 4.1 when it is released
[04:01] <intelikey> then all that goes into the /usr/src will be in your home
[04:01] <michael__> g2g591_: i did reboot and i got a whole heap of error box statin the same crap upon start up into the desktop
[04:01] <_gtt_> anyone gotten kppp to work with GPRS?
[04:01] <dbmoodb> E: Build-Depends dependency for kdeartwork-kde4 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package kdebase-dev-kde4 can satisfy version requirements
[04:01] <sFEARs> has to NOT exist?
[04:01] <dbmoodb> .... great
[04:01] <snarkster> i dont under stand why it keeps doing that
[04:01] <snarkster> oh so 4.0 isnt that great?
[04:01] <intelikey> sFEARs yeah  you can't creat a link with the name of an existing inode.   i.e.  move /usr/src first
[04:02] <adz21c> snarkster: its not really ready .. its released for early adopters to weed out the many bugs
[04:02] <specialbuddy> I'm still having a hard time getting kde4 effects to work
[04:02] <Ahmuck> will kubuntu run from a usb key?
[04:02] <g2g591> snarkster: a lot of features that were in 3.5 are missing from 4.0 , but will be reimplimented for 4.1 or later. I bet 3.0 was missing lots of features too
[04:02] <sFEARs> give me a minute.. i'm a little confused on the symlink thing
[04:03] <g2g591> Ahmuck: If you have a really huge usb key and put lots of effort into it
[04:03] <snarkster> its the target first then the source
[04:03] <intelikey> sFEARs example of the full migration.    sudo mv /usr/src /home && sudo ln -s /home/src /usr/src
[04:04] <dbmoodb> mnmmm backports upgrading
[04:04] <dbmoodb> - do you think i can do back afterwards rofl
[04:04] <intelikey> that will free up a lot of space on the root fs and permanantly move everything in /usr/src to the home fs    even newly installed source.
[04:05] <specialbuddy> so is anyone else having trouble getting the effects to work?
[04:05] <adz21c> specialbuddy: you mean the desktop effects?
[04:05] <specialbuddy> yeah
[04:05] <adz21c> yea i can't even alt+tab at the mo
[04:05] <specialbuddy> I know that my graphics card is working
[04:05] <intelikey> sFEARs you will access it just like you always did,  or with the real path /home/src
[04:05] <g2g591> dbmoodb:it is rather hard to downgrade and there are packages in kubuntu that won't install in debian
[04:05] <sFEARs> do i have to link /usr/src? could i link (ln -s) source file directory (/home/user/folder/kernel-2.#) to a directory with plenty of space (/home/user/folder/linux)?
[04:05] <snarkster> yah I didnt see that either in RC2
[04:05] <dbmoodb> ?
[04:05] <dbmoodb> g2g i'm using ubuntu atm
[04:06] <adz21c> specialbuddy: it doesn't even do a simple minimize effect
[04:06] <g2g591> dbmoodb:it is rather hard to downgrade still
[04:06] <specialbuddy> mine either, adz21c
[04:06] <sFEARs> and then make kpkg in the /home/user/folder/linux directory?
[04:06] <dbmoodb> - well i think i can do it
[04:06] <intelikey> sFEARs you can do the /usr/src  or any subdirrectory thereof.  yes.
[04:06] <g2g591> dbmoodb:but backports are fine stable packages
[04:06] <dbmoodb> just break and isolate packages then remove all without a target
[04:06] <snarkster> I monkied around with the graphics effects and lost everything lol
[04:06] <adz21c> audios there that (Y) and thats been the hard bit for me in the past :-P
[04:06] <intelikey> sFEARs but you need to move it first.  else you gain nothing.
[04:07] <intelikey> same exapmle applies.  only the paths change.
[04:07] <dbmoodb> mm tis hot -28C here
[04:07] <intelikey> sFEARs example of the full migration.    sudo mv /usr/src /home && sudo ln -s /home/src /usr/src
[04:07] <snarkster> wow fing cold
[04:07] <dbmoodb> - i mean 28c
[04:07] <dbmoodb> kill the minus
[04:07] <snarkster> oh
[04:07] <dbmoodb> - my fault
[04:08] <dbmoodb> it is 301k :)
[04:10] <sFEARs> alright.. i think i see what's going on there
[04:12] <ebovine> Say, does anyone know how to change which mixer channel the volume buttons on my keyboard control and change it from jumping 10% at a time in Gutsy?
[04:12] <dbmoodb> ah is kde4 in hardy then ?
[04:12] <intelikey> in the example the new /usr/src is a symbolic link pointing to the /home/src which is on the other partition and contains all the data.   the system still accesses it through the /usr/src/* path as if nothing moved/changed.   @ sFEARs
[04:13] <sFEARs> cool.. sounds like that will work just fine
[04:13] <intelikey> yep.
[04:15] <corinth> I'm having a problem viewing webcam on Kopete. When a friends sends a request to view, I see the pop up. I accept it, but at the moment it tries to load it Kopete crashes. I've pasted the crash output here: http://pastebin.com/m68cffbc
[04:15] <corinth> Please help?
[04:16] <specialbuddy> well
[04:18] <specialbuddy> I have tried out kde4 and it's cool but I'm going to go back to what kubuntu 7.10 came with.  Can't use effects and applications keep crashing
[04:19] <Ahmuck> g2g591, 1 and/or 2 gig usb key?
[04:20] <dbmoodb> special
[04:20] <dbmoodb> how did you upgrade tho ?
[04:20] <dbmoodb> - i'm getting unmet deps
[04:21] <lunar-raven> this is really weird..why would amarok only be finding like half of my collection when it scans? im using the old amarok in kde4
[04:21] <linuxmce_> I installed a bluetooth device - ubuntu sees it just fine  - but I can't connect to it.  It shows that it is scanning and finds my phone - but won't connect. Is there a way to remvoe the device and start over?
[04:21] <dbmoodb> eh
[04:21] <dbmoodb> ah hcitool attach or bind i think you do
[04:22] <iN00DLE> is that like taking your old g/f for a spin in your new car, lunar-raven ?
[04:23] <lunar-raven> haha
[04:23] <lunar-raven> yes
[04:23] <lunar-raven> i think it is
[04:24] <maduser> is kde4 good?
[04:25] <maduser> currently installing it
[04:25] <maduser> do you run it from log in?
[04:25] <mike_> kde4 is good
[04:25] <corinth> maduser: Iit looks nice, though still pretty uncomplete. 4.1 will be nice, I think.
[04:25] <mike_> but I myself am going to wait till 8.04 to come out before I install it
[04:25] <hunkennalle> do you have to download it and instal it through iso?
[04:25] <maduser> I getting the packages
[04:26] <corinth> hunkennalle: No, no.
[04:26] <lunar-raven> kde is pretty nice. it's missing a few things , but it works well for me
[04:26] <lunar-raven> and it's really fast
[04:26] <mike_> just get the live cd
[04:26] <lunar-raven> kde 4*
[04:26] <corinth> hunkennalle: kubuntu.org has a nice instruction list on how to get it.
[04:26] <hunkennalle> from kubutu.org?
[04:26] <hunkennalle> ok
[04:26] <ScottG> just installed KDE4 final.. in it right now..
[04:26] <hunkennalle> im downloading it
[04:27] <corinth> hunkennalle: You can just install it through terminal, heh.
[04:27] <hunkennalle> its pretty slow though... 180kb/s
[04:27] <ScottG> how on earth do you resize the bottom panel? Icon size change attempts didn't work :)
[04:27] <corinth> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[04:28] <DaWolffe> i have 7.04 was thinking of upgrading to gutsy, then kde 4, but i am thinking it would be faster just to get the live cd?
[04:29] <lunar-raven> at the moment you can't resize the panel
[04:29] <lunar-raven> =[
[04:29] <intelikey> DaWolffe probably so.
[04:29] <lunar-raven> plasma isn't finished
[04:29] <corinth> So many missing icons in the menu :-/
[04:31] <se7en> somebody found a way to change the size of the taskbar or add a quicklaunch in kde4
[04:32] <dbmoodb> ah is there a way to move all packages back to the previous version aka from backports back to gutsy
[04:32] <maduser> amg
[04:32] <maduser> kde4 kicks ass
[04:32] <mike_> indeed
[04:32] <maduser> so beautiful
[04:33] <Skyblast> kde4 is gonna be so cool... when all the other apps are Qt4, heheh.
[04:33] <fildo> !kde4
[04:33] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ and support in #kubuntu
[04:34] <Skyblast> IMO, it seems a little incomplete as it is for day to day use. Once everyone catches up and all the features get in it's gonna be awesome
[04:34] <mike_> agreed
[04:34] <Skyblast> but right now... you can't even adjust the panel size... that's kinda... off. ;)
[04:34] <mrtimbo> when they fix the panel i might switch
[04:35] <Skyblast> I'll install it of course to play with... but until hardy comes out and I see what's doing there, I'll stick with my uber awesome 3.5
[04:35] <lunar-raven> ive been using it all day..i dont need to resize the panel
[04:35] <mrtimbo> I downloaded it
[04:35] <Skyblast> I've already made a big switch for the month... doing away with Windows :)
[04:35] <lunar-raven> i can handle it like that til' the next release
[04:36] <lunar-raven> ;)
[04:36] <mrtimbo> of course i had to use ktorrent cause the others were too slow
[04:37] <dbmoodb> !downgrade
[04:37] <ubotu> Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[04:38] <dbmoodb> fine
[04:38] <mrtimbo> !upgrade
[04:38] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[04:38] <sFEARs> what's the make uninstall command? i get an error when i "make uninstall" : make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'.  Stop.
[04:38] <sFEARs> make -u?
[04:39] <snarkster> later
[04:41] <dbmoodb> ok how can i use apt-get to install a certain version then ?
[04:42] <mrtimbo> are you in the directory that you did "make' sFEARs
[04:42] <se7en> i lost my taskbar in kde4 ...
[04:42] <sFEARs> ohhh.. no, that was an old symlink in the linux directory, i've since made a new symlink to the linux directory
[04:42] <mitch_> Just installed KDE4. I usually use PCM set as the master channel in KMix, but changing PCM isn't having any affect.
[04:43] <sFEARs> i guess i'd have to remake a symlink? & make uninstall?
[04:43] <cyber> how many kubuntu depolyments of KDE4 so far ?
[04:44] <se7en> somebody know how i get the taskbar in kde4 back
[04:45] <maduser> click that ugly thing in the top right
[04:45] <maduser> its a wiget
[04:46] <se7en> madrock_: i tried to start conky and that killed the taskbab
[04:46] <mitch_> I want to resize the application launcher a bit, know how anyone?
[04:46] <mikey> does this sound like an ok intro for my myspace: "hi my name is mike bailey, some of my interests include killa beez, da mystery of chessboxin, bringing the ruckus, and philsophy, specifically those theories which relate to cash ruling everything around us, c.r.e.a.m, get the money, dolla dolla bill yall."
[04:48] <sFEARs> i'd big up ODB aka Big Baby Jesus aka Dirt McGirt etc...
[04:48] <Blinkiz> Am having problem understanding how to burn a cd iso file with command line tool cdrecord. "cdrecord -v myisofile.iso" make the burn start but then a error message comes up, "cdrecord: CUE sheet still not accepted", "cdrecord: Cannot send CUE sheet." and "cdrecord: Could not write Lead-in.". Finally "cdrecord: fifo had 128 puts and 0 gets." What should I do to be able to burn a normal iso file with cdrecord?
[04:49] <sFEARs> Blinkiz, are you running as root?
[04:49] <Blinkiz> sFEARs: have tried both
[04:50] <sFEARs> mabey there is a -tag you need to specify to let it know it's burning an ISO file.. when you use GUI's you always need to specify that it's an ISO and not a regular data disk
[04:51] <sFEARs> mabey check the man page for cdrecord & scan for iso options
[04:51] <Blinkiz> sFEARs: okay.
[04:51] <anubis_> kwin crashes above 800x600?
[04:52] <Blinkiz> sFEARs: here is the complete output of cdrecord: http://pastebin.com/d77c09068
[04:53] <sFEARs> cdrecord: No write mode specified.
[04:53] <sFEARs> cdrecord: Asuming -sao mode.
[04:53] <sFEARs> cdrecord: If your drive does not accept -sao, try -tao.
[04:53] <sFEARs> might have something to do with it.. -sao mabey (sector at once) -tao (track at once) and -dao (disk at once)
[04:54] <Blinkiz> sFEARs: My DVD burner is a new one and should support them all
[04:54] <sFEARs> internal, USB?
[04:55] <Blinkiz> sFEARs: in man page for cdrecord there is alot about mkisofs. But I belive I don't have to use mkisofs because I already have an iso file. Right?
[04:55] <sFEARs> i think i've had a problem like that before, and i believe it was a bad connection
[04:56] <Blinkiz> sFEARs: Its a Pioneer DVR-212 that is connected with SATA-150
[04:56] <Blinkiz> sFEARs: I have succesfully burned with that DVD from Windows XP installed on the same computer.
[04:57] <sFEARs> The output of mkisofs can then be sent to a CDROM writer with a utility such as cdrecord.
[04:57] <[Nige]> anyone know how to get the panel back in KDE 4?
[04:58] <sFEARs> sounds like that might be the option in the GUI to burn and ISO image instead of a data disk.. but i'm not sure
[04:58] <anubis_> could someone using kde4 and a nvidia card please link me to a xorg.conf that will allow higher resolution that 800x600?
[04:58] <se7en> please me my help kde4 taskbar is gone ...
[04:58] <Blinkiz> sFEARs: I specified -tao option and now cdrecord is burning the cd iso. Why?
[04:58] <anubis_> like pastebin your xorg.conf?
[04:58] <anubis_> please
[04:59] <sFEARs> anubis_, ctrl+alt+f1 and log into a shell.. then "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and pick nvidia as the driver and pick higher resolutions when it prompts for them
[04:59] <[Nige]> se7en, right click your desktop click on widgets and add task manager, you can drag it to the panel
[04:59] <sFEARs> might have something to do with the ISO since it's a single file mabey? support for large files perhaps?
[05:00] <anubis_> sFEARs: I've done that
[05:00] <Blinkiz> sFEARs: Anyway, you solved my problem. Thank you for the help :)
[05:00] <anubis_> which is why I asked for the file
[05:00] <sFEARs> i don't have my nvidia enabled right now so my xorg wouldn't help
[05:00] <sFEARs> no problem Blinkiz
[05:00] <anubis_> kwin crashes at the higher resolution
[05:00] <sFEARs> might have one backed up though.. hold on
[05:00] <anubis_> I did not say I am unable to choose a higher resolution
[05:01] <anubis_> there is a page which talks of kde4 kwin and nvidia
[05:01] <anubis_> if someone could just link me?
[05:01] <se7en> well i found out that you can add kmenu clock and so on and build your own taskbar but i would like the old one back [Nige]
[05:02] <[Nige]> i think you need to go back to KDE 3.5 for that se7en
[05:02] <sFEARs> !pastebin
[05:02] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:02] <se7en> [Nige]: i had the problem weeks before and someone told me to del ?? file and it worked
[05:03] <sFEARs> anubis_, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51632/
[05:05] <flamesage> Where can I find the wallpapers used in KDE4.0?
[05:06] <cyber> is kde4 anygood ?
[05:07] <hydrogen> thats a fairly loaded question
[05:07] <hydrogen> that will get you a wide range of answers
[05:07] <hydrogen> none of which will be tailored to fit you
[05:08] <jay-oh-en> please can soembody help me
[05:08] <hydrogen> !ask | jay-oh-en
[05:08] <ubotu> jay-oh-en: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[05:08] <anubis_> did not see that, thanks sFEARs
[05:08] <jay-oh-en> everytime i turn my computer on my computer goes to a black screen with a white line blinking
[05:09] <jay-oh-en> hydrogen: yeah thanks for the ask that just helps everybody if you would just wait for me to type my question you wouldnt have needed that
[05:10] <jay-oh-en> where are the tty's located?
[05:10] <mikey>  /dev ?
[05:10] <jay-oh-en> i mean the exact location
[05:11] <mikey>  /dev/ttyp0
[05:11] <jay-oh-en> like i mean tty3 tty4 tty5 tty6
[05:12] <jay-oh-en> stdin: you there?
[05:13] <Some_Person> what packages would i need to create a full KDE4 install?
[05:13] <Some_Person> i currently have plain ol' ubuntu and want to add KDE4
[05:14] <DreadKnight> Some_Person: add the PPA and then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get install kde4"
[05:14] <Sylphid> hello all..i just installed kde4 and now i have a volume box in the middle of my screen that i cant move or get rid of
[05:14] <hydrogen> cool
[05:14] <Some_Person> which PPA?
[05:15] <hydrogen> !kde4 > Some_Person
[05:15] <DreadKnight> Some_Person: the kde4 launchpad ppa, but i think the packages have been backported into official repository, so try the second part with the update and install
[05:15] <Some_Person> thank you
[05:15] <Some_Person> there are kde4 stable packages in backports
[05:16] <DreadKnight> Some_Person: there should be, not 100% if all the packages have been uploaded, just woke up, need to check :)
[05:16] <Some_Person> yeah, there is no "kde4" package in there
[05:16] <DreadKnight> ok, wait a sec
[05:17] <sfears> so i kde 3.5.8 KDE4?? wtf?
[05:17] <sfears> *is
[05:17] <DreadKnight> Some_Person:  there is probably kde4-core, but that's that is just the main thingy ...
[05:18] <virtualx> no
[05:18] <Some_Person> no
[05:18] <basy> what is dafault screensaver daemon for kubuntu?
[05:18] <virtualx> kde 3.5 is 3.5
[05:18] <sfears> figured
[05:18] <biovore> kde 3.9x is beta for kde4
[05:18] <Some_Person> there is no kde4-core
[05:19] <DreadKnight> Some_Person: Add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:19] <Some_Person> ok
[05:19] <Some_Person> i know how usefull those PPA's can be
[05:19] <virtualx> follow the instructions on the kbuntu page: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[05:19] <mikey> http://youtube.com/watch?v=UyH-3ruD0ik
[05:20] <virtualx> does anyone know how to hide the plasma (kicker) bar in KDE4?
[05:20] <hydrogen> just wait long enough and it'll probably disappear
[05:20] <DreadKnight> virtualx: those instruction delete parts of your kde3 ;) they're very crappy
[05:20] <hydrogen> accoridng to many reports
[05:20] <Some_Person> oh, and once i get kde4 installed, is there a way to automatically hide the KDE apps in GNOME and vice-versa?
[05:20] <virtualx> I didn't notice any files get removed
[05:20] <DreadKnight> hydrogen: you mean you want your old menu?
[05:21] <virtualx> what parts of KDE3 are gone?
[05:21] <DreadKnight> Some_Person: no but you could "sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop"
[05:21] <hydrogen> err
[05:21] <Some_Person> why the heck would i do that?
[05:21] <hydrogen> that wouldn't do at all what he wanted
[05:21] <DreadKnight> virtualx: it deleted things like konqueror etc
[05:21] <basy> anybody know the name of process that run screensaver?
[05:21] <hydrogen> Some_Person: theres no easy way to separate out kde and gnome apps
[05:22] <Some_Person> i know theres a script that does work, not sure if it works for kde4
[05:22] <hydrogen> virtualx: I /think/ if you open up ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc and delete anything referring to Containments[2]
[05:22] <hydrogen> and then log in again
[05:22] <hydrogen> it may disappear
[05:22] <virtualx> DreadKnight: not on my end - did you follow the link I posted?
[05:22] <virtualx> konqueror works fine
[05:22] <DreadKnight> virtualx: you can delete kicker from the panel, and replacing it with the old one by dragging it directly from the add widgets menu ;)
[05:23] <flamesage> Does anyone know where I can find the KDE 4.0 wallpapers?
[05:23] <DreadKnight> virtualx: yes
[05:23] <hydrogen> DreadKnight: once again.. you are answering ac ompletely different question that what is being asked
[05:23] <virtualx> DreadKnight: ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc doesn't exist
[05:24] <hydrogen> virtualx: you might need to log out of kde4 first
[05:24] <hydrogen> err
[05:24] <hydrogen> it might be ~/.kde4 also
[05:24] <hydrogen> probably is
[05:24] <DreadKnight> virtualx, hydrogen: it's .kde4  ...
[05:24] <Sylphid> hello all..i just installed kde4 and now i have a volume box in the middle of my screen that i cant move or get rid of
[05:24] <hydrogen> wasn't sure how the kubuntu packages did it
[05:26] <Some_Person> here is the script i've used in the past (with kde3), can anyone say if it'll work for kde4? http://zelut.org/projects/misc/menu-cleaner.sh
[05:26] <hydrogen> kde4 is freedesktop compliant
[05:26] <virtualx> DreadKnight: thanks...
[05:26] <hydrogen> but I'm not sure how that will effect your script Some_Person
[05:26] <virtualx> I'm gonna give this a shot...
[05:26] <hydrogen> I don't know enough about the menuing system to guess :)
[05:27] <Some_Person> script just removes kde apps from gnome and gnome apps from kde (which i really want(
[05:27] <hydrogen> right, but it comes down to how does it detect it
[05:27] <Sylphid> anyone?
[05:27] <Some_Person> the 2 relevent lines of code:
[05:27] <Some_Person> cd /usr/share/applications/kde/
[05:27] <Some_Person> for i in *; do echo "OnlyShowIn=KDE" >> $i; done &>/dev/null
[05:28] <hydrogen> the location may have changed
[05:28] <hydrogen> kde4 might be installed somewhere different
[05:28] <inaety> I have the flash plugin installed however flash doesn't work with konqueror4
[05:29] <biovore> yeah.. konqueror4 has some work to do do
[05:29] <jayohen> sub[t]rnl: hey are you there
[05:29] <inaety> biovore: is that a known bug?
[05:29] <jayohen> sub[t]rnl: i really need help
[05:29] <biovore> yes.. havn't done any of the netscape wrapper stuff yet..
[05:30] <inaety> biovore: the konqueror-nsplugin? it does nothing...all that happens is an annoying box pops up
[05:30] <biovore> well.. let me check..  I havn't tried with the new deb's
[05:30] <inaety> are there new ones as of less than 24 hours ago?
[05:30] <anubis_> still stuck in 800x600
[05:30] <anubis_> weird
[05:30] <anderson> someone have a problem with brightness control (fn+F4:F5 keys) in kubuntu 7.10... can i fix this?
[05:30] <anubis_> my fonts are anti-aliased and nice
[05:31] <sfears> how do you move an entire directory
[05:31] <anubis_> but stuck in the 800x600, should I enable the 96dpi force from the kde settings menu?
[05:31] <jayohen> everytime i restart my computer it goes to a black screen with a white line blinking in the top left corner (this is after boot after grub and loading screen this happens right before the login screen) please help ill greatly appreciate it
[05:31] <sfears> sudo mv /tmp /home && ln -s /home/tmp /tmp
[05:31] <sfears> gives me an error about /tmp being a directory
[05:31] <biovore> actualy.. flash is working here with the kubuntu kde4 stufff
[05:31] <inaety> biovore: i'm sorry?
[05:32] <anubis_> I don't know where its getting these settings from, because my xorg.conf telling it nothing like this?
[05:32] <keesercc> does anyone here have experience with crontab?
[05:32] <anderson> i need help!!
[05:32] <biovore> I have used it..  Not lately though..
[05:32] <alex__> мать вашу есть кто то из России?
[05:33] <inaety> biovore: nevermind about flash...have you installed okular? i get this when i try http://pastebin.com/m3ec23571
[05:34] <jayohen> everytime i restart my computer it goes to a black screen with a white line blinking in the top left corner (this is after boot after grub and loading screen this happens right before the login screen) please help ill greatly appreciate it
[05:34] <andersonflas> flash dont work with konqueror
[05:34] <biovore> nope.. I havn't messede with okular.
[05:34] <biovore> flash is working here in konqueror
[05:35] <andersonflas> sry...
[05:35] <flamesage> How did you get flash working biovore?
[05:35] <andersonflas> flash dont work pretty good in konqueror
[05:35] <flamesage> ... what?
[05:35] <inaety> biovore: what did you install
[05:35] <andersonflas> install firefox...
[05:35] <biovore> yeah flash crashes alot
[05:35] <flamesage> Speak proper english.
[05:35] <flamesage> Oh ok.
[05:35] <andersonflas> sry
[05:35] <flamesage> I just use firefox :)
[05:35] <biovore> !flash
[05:35] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[05:35] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[05:35] <biovore> ^ did a manual install
[05:35] <flamesage> I know ubotu!  Shut up!
[05:35] <flamesage> :P
[05:36] <biovore> then tell konqueror to scan for plugins
[05:36]  * Some_Person kills ubotu
[05:36] <flamesage> me smacks ubotu
[05:36]  * flamesage smacks ubotu
[05:36] <inaety> i also pointed konqueror to a directory i made with the tar from adobe
[05:36] <biovore> need to have the netscape plugin wrapper thing..
[05:36] <flamesage> !wine
[05:36] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[05:36] <flamesage> Hmm
[05:36] <biovore> the tar is like a zip.. you need to extract it and take the .so file and place it into ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[05:36] <jayohen> !help
[05:36] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:36] <flamesage> Has anyone tried Office 2003 or Counter Strike / HL2 with the new version of WINE?
[05:37] <jayohen> everytime i restart my computer it goes to a black screen with a white line blinking in the top left corner (this is after boot after grub and loading screen this happens right before the login screen) please help ill greatly appreciate it
[05:37] <inaety> biovore: i extracted it to ~/.flash and just had konqueror go to that directory
[05:37] <inaety> but ill install nsplugins too
[05:37] <anubis_> if Icould get outta this 800x600, I could actually use the desktop again
[05:38] <biovore> sudo apt-get install nspluginwrapper
[05:38] <Unferth> what command should I run to install kde4?
[05:38] <inaety> biovore: do i need konqueror-nsplugins?
[05:38] <jayohen> am i being ignored?
[05:38] <Cthuloid> jayohen, I had that issue. I had to change what resolution grub was setting my console to start at.
[05:38] <biovore> I have it installed here as well
[05:39] <andersonflas> someone has with control of the brightness of notebook?
[05:39] <jayohen> Cthuloid: its worked for like 6 months until now?
[05:39] <inaety> biovore: i dont have that package in my repos
[05:39] <andersonflas> someone has problems with control of the brightness of notebook?
[05:40] <jayohen> Cthuloid: i need to know where the tty's are located so i can mv tty3.bak tty3 and so on
[05:40] <jayohen> Cthuloid: maybe you could look for my problem on google for me please? im in recovery mode right now and im in irssi
[05:41] <biovore> inaety: probably don't have the correct repo to get it.. packages.ubuntu.com claims its in (util) repo..
[05:41] <hongman> oh no
[05:41] <flamesage> Any cool looking wallpapers you guys suggest?
[05:41] <hongman> i didn't get my daily snack
[05:42] <biovore> inaety: Probably need multiverse and universe repos enabled
[05:42] <hongman> anyways, guys what's the difference between kubuntu and xubuntu?
[05:42] <biovore> kde vs xfce4
[05:42] <biovore> gui interface that running by default..
[05:42] <inaety> biovore: i might have forgotten to enable those
[05:43] <jayohen> can somebody look up my problem on google for me
[05:43] <Cthuloid> One second jayohen while I look something up.
[05:43] <jayohen> Cthuloid: thanks
[05:43] <flamesage> !wallpaper
[05:43] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[05:43] <inaety> biovore: are you running amd64
[05:44] <anubis_> http://pastebin.com/d6640632c
[05:44] <biovore> inaety: yes
[05:44] <virtualx> anyone know how to hide the plasma bar (kicker) in KDE4 ??
[05:44] <hydrogen> virtualx: I told you that above..
[05:44] <jayohen> flamesage: love how you get ignored?
[05:45] <anubis_> http://pastebin.com/d6640632c
[05:45] <inaety> biovore: they dont have an i686 download which i guess is why i can't apt-get it
[05:45] <anubis_> I'm stuck with 800x600
[05:45] <Cthuloid> jayohen, could you check your grub menu.lst for me?
[05:45] <jayohen> Cthuloid: for what?
[05:45] <anubis_> same xorg.conf works fine with gnome
[05:45] <anubis_> xfce etc
[05:45] <biovore> inaety: Its installed on my x86 box as well..
[05:46] <virtualx> anyone know how to hide the plasma bar (kicker) in KDE4 ??
[05:46] <inaety> biovore: what the heck...should i just try the amd one
[05:46] <hydrogen> stop spamming and start paying attention
[05:46] <Cthuloid> On the default boot option, the kernel line, anything that is like "vga=" some number
[05:46] <sfears> will ln-s /home/tmp /tmp cause the /tmp folder to be the symlink? or do i have that backwards?
[05:46] <hydrogen> you need to delete anything in plasma-appletsrc that refers to Containments[2]
[05:46] <jayohen> Cthuloid: what number should it be?
[05:46] <hydrogen> thats backwards sfears
[05:46] <biovore> inaety: you on gusty?
[05:47] <jayohen> where is grub located
[05:47] <hydrogen> its ln -s SOURCE DESTIONATION
[05:47] <inaety> biovore: yep
[05:47] <Cthuloid> /boot/grub/
[05:47] <jayohen> Cthuloid: ok hold on
[05:47] <jayohen> brb
[05:47] <biovore> inaety: you have "gusty-updates" repo inabled?
[05:48] <biovore> also don't forget to "sudo apt-get update" if you change apt's settings
[05:48] <inaety> yes for universe and multiverse
[05:48] <inaety> the only thing i dont have are backports
[05:48] <Sylphid> just installed kde4 and i have a volume box stuck in the middle of my screen .. anyone know how to get rid of it?
[05:49] <biovore> inaety: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe <-- you have that line?
[05:49] <sfears> is it the display for turning the volume up & down Sylphid?
[05:49] <se7en> somebody got conky running on kde4
[05:50] <sfears> mabey for some reason the screen isn't refreshing?
[05:50] <sfears> maybe*
[05:50] <Sylphid> sfears: its not part of kmix
[05:50] <Sylphid> sfears: im not sure what it is
[05:50] <virtualx> hydrogen - I do, but all the setings are restored upon login
[05:50] <inaety> yes and the same but for deb-src, biovore
[05:50] <virtualx> :(
[05:51] <sfears> do you have volume buttons on you keyboard.. and when you press them does the volume box update?
[05:51] <hydrogen> virtualx: you need to do it while plasma isn't running
[05:51] <hydrogen> it saves settings on exit
[05:51] <biovore> inaety: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/utils/konqueror-nsplugins
[05:51] <console_jockey> I've been having some trouble playing mp3's on my kubuntu gutsy install.  I removed and reinstall a number of packages in an attempt to fix the problem and now, sadly, I still can't play mp3 and my kaffeine player doesnt play mpg's.  any ideas?
[05:51] <hydrogen> so you can try kquitapp plasma from konsole
[05:51] <hydrogen> you may have to do it twice, as it trys to autorestart itself once
[05:51] <virtualx> hydrogen:  thanks... I guess I should of thougt of that...
[05:51] <Sylphid> sfears: yes i have them but it does not change the screen (the buttons are function keys not seperate)
[05:52] <hydrogen> once its gone, edit the file
[05:52] <hydrogen> then run plasma
[05:52] <inaety> biovore: i already install konqueror-nsplugins. you wanted me to install nspluginwrapper
[05:52] <virtualx> thanks
[05:52] <biovore> inaety: I have them both
[05:52] <sfears> is it only on the desktop or does it show up on top of other windows you have open?
[05:52] <jayohen> Cthuloid: its vga=795
[05:53] <Sylphid> sfears: its always on top of every window
[05:53] <inaety> biovore: the nspluginwrapper is designed for amd systems to recognise x86 plugins
[05:53] <Cthuloid> When I had this issue, I had to remove that part so there is no mention of vga anything. Then ran sudo grub-install /dev/hda and rebooted
[05:53] <se7en> somebody got conky running on kde4 without crashing kde4?
[05:53] <biovore> oinaety: k..  My x86 only has konqueror-nsplugin
[05:54] <jayohen> Cthuloid: but what will that do?
[05:54] <inaety> biovore: yeah
[05:54] <biovore> so porbably don't need it then..
[05:54] <inaety> biovore: yeah but the nsplugins don't work
[05:54] <biovore> flash working in firefox?
[05:54] <inaety> nor does a direct folder with the so nor the firefox directory
[05:54] <inaety> firefox works
[05:54] <biovore> ok..
[05:55] <inaety> should i file a bug report?
[05:55] <Cthuloid> As I understand it, that is the resolution Grub tries to run your console at. By removing it, grub runs the console at the lowest safe resoltion.
[05:55] <jayohen> Cthuloid: what happens if i jsut remove the vga=795 and try to start up what will happen?
[05:55] <Cthuloid> It doesn't affect the X resoltion, just when on a virtual console.
[05:55] <biovore> then open up konqueror and goto | Settings | Configure Konqueror | and select plugins from the side menu
[05:56] <jayohen> Cthuloid: will my computer work if i do that?
[05:56] <jayohen> ill try it
[05:56] <reeeh2000> hi all, just upgraded to kde4, but having problems getting the  kdeartwork-theme-icon-kde4 package to install
[05:56] <biovore> you see anything for application/x-shockwave-flash ?
[05:56] <inaety> biovore: yes a mime type
[05:58] <russell__> anyone interested in helping a noob configure wireless?
[05:59] <dsmith> anyone here use envy?
[05:59] <inaety> biovore: egh sorry my X like died.  and now my panel isn't showing up
[05:59]  * dsmith prays russell is not using broadcom
[06:00] <russell__> nope, atheros
[06:00] <russell__> works on livecd, not on install
[06:00] <sonoftheclayr> russell__: atheros is easy. install linux-restricted-modules
[06:00] <Jay-Oh-En> Cthuloid: omg i love you
[06:00] <dsmith> hmmm I ran across one of those
[06:00] <Cthuloid> It worked then Jay?
[06:00] <Jay-Oh-En> Cthuloid: yes i didnt have to do the grub install part
[06:01] <Jay-Oh-En> Cthuloid: why do they even have that option there if its not going to work anyways
[06:01] <inaety> how can i get the panel to show up? i don't know what it is called anymore...it was kicker
[06:01] <biovore> inaety: well welcome to beta ware..
[06:01] <Cthuloid> I think its a bug in the current version of grub, I found the solution originally in a bug report.
[06:01] <biovore> its plasma in kde4
[06:01] <biovore> expect lots of crashing with kde4
[06:01] <inaety> biovore: well iactually tried to set my font anti-aliasing but it made me have to restart it
[06:01] <dsmith> so how is kde4?
[06:01] <inaety> :P
[06:02] <intelikey> everything is a plasma in kde4 isn't it ?
[06:02] <biovore> buggy still..
[06:02] <biovore> looks pritty though..
[06:02] <inaety> biovore: how does the panel actually show up
[06:02] <dsmith> ahhh ok, I just d'ld an iso of it
[06:02] <Jay-Oh-En> can somebody help me with gaim not making any sounds when i get ims from people
[06:02] <dsmith> I'll use the liveCD thank you
[06:02] <inaety> i like the new Kopete even though it isnt 1.00
[06:02] <Cthuloid> Speaking of KDE4, anyone else having extremely poor performance with it, even with affects turned off?
[06:02] <biovore> not sure.. its worked very time I need to use it here..  the kicker is now call plasma or something..
[06:02] <reeeh2000> hi all, just upgraded to kde4, but having problems getting the  kdeartwork-theme-icon-kde4 package to install, here is terminal output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51636/
[06:03] <inaety> Cthuloid: a lot needs to get worked on...but its sick
[06:03] <inaety> biovore: yeah but i can't alt+f2 plasma
[06:03] <posingaspopular> i have a problem with kde4 (which rocks)
[06:03] <posingaspopular> pidgin starts, then dies
[06:03] <posingaspopular> anyone can help
[06:03] <inaety> brb going to kde3
[06:04] <Sylphid> sfears: any ideas?
[06:04] <posingaspopular> also, it makes noises when it switches between applications, how to remove?
[06:04] <Jay-Oh-En> Cthuloid: neways thanks man hats off to you
[06:04] <Cthuloid> Glad to help Jay
[06:04] <Jay-Oh-En> Cthuloid: in kde4 i had extremely slow preformance
[06:04] <Jay-Oh-En> Cthuloid: are you talking about live cd tho?
[06:05] <Cthuloid> No, installed from the repos
[06:05] <Jay-Oh-En> Cthuloid: are you on konversation
[06:05] <Jay-Oh-En> ?
[06:05] <Cthuloid> irssi via konsole
[06:05] <Jay-Oh-En> can you type /sysinfo
[06:05] <Jay-Oh-En> Sysinfo for 'Scrap-me': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: AMDAthlon643000+ at 2100 MHz (4204 bogomips), , RAM: 400/1011MB, 97 proc's, 8.0min up
[06:05] <Jay-Oh-En> then copy it for me and paste it here
[06:05] <inaety> biovore: have you ever noticed that the #kubuntu message says the flash plugin is broken...
[06:06] <biovore> yup
[06:06] <inaety> biovore: i didn't realize.
[06:06] <biovore> the plug and play deb package is busted.. have to manualy install
[06:06] <Jay-Oh-En> biovore: aye do you think you could help me with konq? getting it working for me?
[06:06] <inaety> do you find it trouble doing easy things on the desktop in kde4? like creating a new folder
[06:06] <biovore> konqueror on kde4?
[06:07] <Jay-Oh-En> inaety: its easy top left add widget and new folder?
[06:07] <mitch_> Anyone know how to resize the panel in KDE 4?
[06:07] <Jay-Oh-En> biovore: no on kde3
[06:07] <russell__> sonofclayr: i think i already have them installed...
[06:07] <biovore> flash on konqueror?
[06:07] <inaety> Jay-Oh-En: is it? idk these new gadgets
[06:07] <Jay-Oh-En> biovore: no like pretty much everything
[06:07] <biovore> 32bit or 64bit.
[06:07] <Jay-Oh-En> inaety: yeah i think so i wass only in the live cd for a minute tho
[06:08] <Cthuloid> Actully, I think I need to get to bed. To much playing with shiny KDE4 for one day.
[06:08] <Jay-Oh-En> biovore: 32bit
[06:08] <Jay-Oh-En> Cthuloid: yeah you should go back to kde3 and wait for kde4.1
[06:08] <biovore> yup.. what I think as well..
[06:08] <biovore> kde4 won't be usable for probably 8 months still..
[06:08] <Jay-Oh-En> im guessing
[06:08] <inaety> it's still fun
[06:08] <Jay-Oh-En> but probally longer
[06:09] <Jay-Oh-En> inaety: fun trying to fix things i guess
[06:09] <biovore> yeah.. open source project have no deadlines.. there ready when there ready
[06:09] <Jay-Oh-En> inaety: atleast it gives you something to do
[06:09] <inaety> it's usable now, but really unstable
[06:09] <ubuntu_> what is this?
[06:09] <biovore> kde4..
[06:09] <inaety> you could still do normal things but not much else
[06:09] <mitch_> Possible to use oxygen theme in KDE 3 if KDE 4.0 is installed?
[06:09] <ubuntu_> I just used a kubuntu live cd!!
[06:09] <ubuntu_> was checking it oit!!
[06:09] <Jay-Oh-En> inaety: im going to stay with kde3 until kde5 or so
[06:09] <inaety> the embedded hardware accelerated graphics needs about two years
[06:10] <ubuntu_> can anyone help me
[06:10] <ubuntu_> ?
[06:10] <inaety> Jay-Oh-En: that will be in like 2012
[06:10] <biovore> inaety: naw.. that needs help form the venders..
[06:10] <inaety> biovore: venders?
[06:10] <Jay-Oh-En> inaety: probally but if you had my desktop you would be happy , do you wanna see it?
[06:10] <inaety> sure
[06:11] <biovore> inaety: the people that make the hardware to do the graphics..
[06:11] <Jay-Oh-En> biovore: so about konq?
[06:11] <inaety> wtf @ ubuntu_
[06:11] <biovore> alot of that stuff is closed
[06:11] <biovore> Jay-Oh-En: what problem you tring to solve..
[06:11] <Sylphid> just installed kde4 and i have a volume box stuck in the middle of my screen .. anyone know how to get rid of it?
[06:11] <inaety> biovore: oh yeah but the drivers are good enough...and you can agree that kde needs to fix some more of it
[06:12] <Jay-Oh-En> biovore: not a problem really just trying to get it going fast (cause my ff is faster than it) also like plugins and getting pages to look normal
[06:12] <Pensador> hello
[06:12] <inaety> Sylphid: you can try to go into ksysguard and kill the volume manager...i forget the process name
[06:12] <Jay-Oh-En> http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/pronege/mydekstop2.png inaety
[06:12] <Pensador> Just a small question... is it possible to tell Kopete to automatically save a log of every conversation we have? If so, how?
[06:13] <biovore> inaety: we can only make drivers are written by people in there basements based on what little info we can get.. things like sound/3D graphics/wireless networking have issues because only the maunfacture knows how to write a good driver for linux.. and many don't.
[06:13] <inaety> biovore: that's true
[06:13] <flamesage> How do I join a AIM chat in Kopete?
[06:13] <inaety> Jay-Oh-En: looks nice
[06:13] <inaety> mine's a little more simple
[06:14] <Jay-Oh-En> inaety: yeah that took me one day to make mine like that but it helps me get the jub done
[06:14] <Jay-Oh-En> job
[06:14] <biovore> Jay-Oh-En: well alot of pages arn't css2 complient..  there built to make IE people happy.. so it looks like crud on konqueror sometimes..
[06:14] <inaety> yeah
[06:14] <inaety> i gotta go guys, sleep tight
[06:14] <Jay-Oh-En> buy
[06:14] <Jay-Oh-En> bye
[06:14] <Pensador> bye....
[06:14] <anubis_> does anyone have the wiki kwin and nvidia composite page link handy?
[06:14] <inaety> !nvidia
[06:14] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:15] <flamesage> Is there a way to join chats in kopete?
[06:15] <inaety> !compiz-fusion
[06:15] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[06:15] <flamesage> !kopete chat
[06:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kopete chat - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:16] <intelikey> flamesage /join blah
[06:16] <russell__> any idea on how to get a wireless network to show where restricted drivers are installed?
[06:17] <anubis_> this has nothing to do with how to install nvidia drivers
[06:17] <anubis_> there is nothing wrong with my setup as it worked until kwin4 met it
[06:18] <anubis_> there is a particular page dealing with kwin and composite
[06:18] <Pensador> Does anybody here know how can we automatically save a conversation in Kopete every time we talk to someone?
[06:18] <anubis_> this has nothing to do with compiz either
[06:18] <anubis_> Pensador: prefences
[06:19] <flamesage> no I mean in AIM
[06:19] <flamesage> Through Kopete
[06:19] <intelikey> Pensador may not work for kopete but something like   /set logging auto
[06:19] <flamesage> How do I join an AIM chat
[06:19] <Pensador> intelikey: Please, could you tell me more details about thaat?
[06:20] <intelikey> that i don't know.  never did like/use aol
[06:20] <Jay-Oh-En> howcome gaim doesnt load the buddylist :[
[06:20] <russell__> anyone have any idea the network settings that are changed once installed from livecd?
[06:20] <j2daosh> how can i make an ntfs filesystem writeable using the live cd?
[06:20] <biovore> gaim been replaced with pidgin
[06:20] <Jay-Oh-En> biovore: i know ok pidgin
[06:21] <se7en> somebody got conky running on kde4 without crashing kde4?
[06:21] <Jay-Oh-En> how come pidgin doesnt load the buddylist :[
[06:21] <lunar-raven> conky?
[06:21] <intelikey> Pensador some irc clients ues the /set command    some dont.   i don't use kopete kde xorg   hardly at all.    but if there is not a menu itom for what you want   try the   /set help    command.    or  /help set
[06:21] <sigma_> how do i disable the kubuntu logo from showing at bootup?
[06:22] <intelikey> sigma_ nosplash
[06:22] <sigma_> intelikey: where do i put that command?
[06:22] <Pensador> Intelikey: I was talking about saving conversations on Instant Messaging talks, using protocols like Yahoo, MSN, Jabber, etc
[06:23] <intelikey> sigma_ in /boot/grub/menu.lst    see the kernel line with    splash    make it nosplash    and see if that is what you want.
[06:24] <posingaspopular> i changed some setting in kde4 and now it wont book. how do I undo/roll back those setting?
[06:24] <intelikey> Pensador oh.  well you only spcified   kopete    that i saw anyway.   sorry.
[06:24] <Pensador> posingaspopular: how about deleting the .kde4 folder in your home folder, for instance?
[06:25] <posingaspopular> wont that remove all of kde4?
[06:25] <Pensador> posingaspopular: that should return all definitions to default settings
[06:25] <Jay-Oh-En> intelikey: you should have told him to install usplash
[06:25] <Jay-Oh-En> !usplash
[06:25] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[06:25] <lunar-raven> posing: no
[06:25] <lunar-raven> it will just removing settings
[06:25] <intelikey> Jay-Oh-En he only asked "how to disable it"
[06:26] <posingaspopular> where in the /home? /home.kde4?
[06:26] <Pensador> posingaspopular: yes
[06:26] <Jay-Oh-En> intelikey: true but still that gui app is so easy
[06:26] <intelikey> posingaspopular $HOME/.kde4
[06:26] <lunar-raven>  yeah../home/yourusernamehere/.kde4
[06:26] <intelikey> Jay-Oh-En k.   noted.
[06:27] <posingaspopular> cd: /.kde4: No such file or directory
[06:27] <Pensador> posingaspopular: whatever is in a hidden folder inside of the home folder basically contains personal settings. It definitely does not include the programs themselves
[06:27] <intelikey> posingaspopular correct.  it's not in the root dir   /
[06:27] <intelikey> posingaspopular now try   cd $HOME/.kde4
[06:28] <posingaspopular> okay now imin the directory?
[06:28] <posingaspopular> do i sudo rm -rf the whole folder?
[06:28] <intelikey> rm -r *
[06:28] <Jay-Oh-En> i just installed aim from the instructions stated here but it doesnt work http://aimtoday.aim.com/
[06:28] <Jay-Oh-En> intelikey: is it rm -i or -r?
[06:29] <intelikey> -r
[06:29] <Jay-Oh-En> i forget
[06:29] <intelikey> -i is interactive   -r is recursive
[06:29] <Jay-Oh-En> lol
[06:29] <Jay-Oh-En> oh i get it
[06:30] <posingaspopular> "rm: invalid option -- *"
[06:30] <intelikey> most linux apps use that nominclature    first letter of the word desired.
[06:30] <intelikey> posingaspopular   ls -A   see what is there
[06:30] <posingaspopular> "cache-speculum  share  socket-speculum  tmp-speculum"
[06:31] <intelikey> rm -r *    should work
[06:32] <posingaspopular> one sec. let me pastebin
[06:33] <posingaspopular> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51637/
[06:33] <anubis_> anyone here with a nvidia card running kde4 with there monitor above 800x600?
[06:33] <intelikey> posingaspopular `does   rm -r*    and   rm -r *     look the same to you ?
[06:34] <intelikey> you should not need the sudo  but you have to put the spaces in where they belong.
[06:34] <posingaspopular> actually intelikey they do look the same to me
[06:35] <onishidato> how can i set up my connection to auto detect??
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[06:35] <posingaspopular> ohhhhh space
[06:35] <posingaspopular> i see
[06:35] <onishidato> how can i set up my connection to auto detect??
[06:35] <posingaspopular> sorry i just noticed the difference
[06:35] <posingaspopular> onishidato: knetworkmanager
[06:36] <posingaspopular> rightclick->configure
[06:36] <intelikey> posingaspopular we call that   pebcak     or     pebkac      depending on what part of the world you are in.
[06:36] <posingaspopular> thanks brb,
[06:36] <intelikey> np.
[06:36] <onishidato> i can't do that :)
[06:36] <se7en> where do i find the "wallpaper" that shows up after the log in an befor you are actually in
[06:36] <onishidato> when i do that
[06:36] <onishidato> they say no active device
[06:36] <onishidato> :)
[06:36] <Greenery> i can't open all my KDE4 apps in KDE 3.5.8 and even log in to KDE4. The crash handler keeps popping out
[06:37] <scrubb2000> Could someone tell me what this line from the Kubuntu page on KDE4 means? "To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1 then and run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the Xerphyr xterm."
[06:38] <intelikey> means you can run an xorg/kde4 window inside of the running de
[06:38] <drcode> hi all
[06:38] <drcode> How can I install 3ddesktop in kubuntu
[06:39] <se7en> !compiz
[06:39] <intelikey> !nv | drcode
[06:39] <scrubb2000> intellikey: like a sandbox or something?
[06:39] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[06:39] <ubotu> drcode: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:39] <intelikey> scrubb2000 or something   yes.
[06:39] <phoul> Ive been hearing many good things and bad things about kde4, Im wondering if kde4 is truely better tthen 3.x or even gnome -dont flame me- for that matter
[06:39] <phoul> just a question
[06:39] <se7en> somebody got conky running on kde4 without crashing kde4?
[06:40] <scrubb2000> intellikey: will KDE4 create its own session type on the login manager or will I have to do that manually?
[06:40] <onishidato> se7en, can you tell me how to make Knetworkmanager auto detect my device??
[06:40] <intelikey> phoul watching this channel for a bit might answer some of that.
[06:40] <drcode> I need to run xgl-server?
[06:40] <intelikey> scrubb2000 it should.   if it doesn't then there is something wrong.
[06:41] <phoul> Well not really, people dont come to help channels if they have no issues
[06:41] <phoul> So...
[06:41] <phoul> All i will hear here is bad stuff
[06:41]  * scrubb2000 trembles with foreboding at intellikeys words
[06:41]  * corporeal is here with no issues
[06:41] <intelikey> that's why i said "some of that."
[06:42] <phoul> im running a box on 512 ram, crappy old nvidia geforce4 mx440 gfx card, 2.40ghz proc, would it run better or worse then gnome? I know 3.5 ran better
[06:42] <onishidato> se7en, can you tell me how to make Knetworkmanager auto detect my device??
[06:42] <Greenery> phoul: you could try the livecd if ur worried
[06:42] <intelikey> scrubb2000 it's all in the wording.    some will ask "will blah do blah"  you say "yes"  they say "well it isn't"   ....
[06:43]  * posingaspopular hugs intelikey
[06:43] <posingaspopular> it worked!
[06:43] <se7en> phoul: my system is not much better and i run kde4 with or kde3 with compiz that is not the problem but kde4 is one day old ...
[06:44] <posingaspopular> now... my pidgin won't boot in kde4
[06:44] <scrubb2000> intellikey: If it doesn't, that's what this channel is for, right? =)
[06:44] <intelikey> right.
[06:44] <phoul> se7en, ehhh im wondering how decent it is, I have experience with pre-alpha stuff (First stages of e17 anyone?) stableness.... isnt the only deciding factor. Unless it crashes every 30 seconds or something
[06:45] <onishidato> can someone pay a little attention with me??
[06:45] <phoul> so kde4 is bundled with kubuntu-desktop now?
[06:45] <phoul> Im just curious what to install :)
[06:46] <se7en> phoul: it works for me but it if you need a stable system wait
[06:46] <intelikey> onishidato i'm network illiterate. not ignoring you.
[06:46] <phoul> se7en, at the worse, i will just remove it and use gnome w/e
[06:46] <phoul> hehe
[06:47] <phoul> so how do i install this thing... just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop? or is it not in there yet
[06:47] <onishidato> my prob is that i can't connect to internet :((
[06:47] <scrubb2000> phoul: go here:http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[06:48] <scrubb2000> KDE4 only came out today.
[06:48] <scrubb2000> I'd imagine canonical would like to put it through its paces before they bundle it with the main distro.
[06:48] <scrubb2000> Isn't that how they typically do things?
[06:50] <se7en> onishidato: can't connect to the internet is not enough information for someone to help
[06:50]  * intelikey thinks of clering out the un-needed/wanted software on his computer with   ((( for Q in `dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f3` ;do apt-get remove --purge --yes "$Q" ;done )))
[06:51] <scrubb2000> sounds risky.
[06:52] <intelikey> will remove all "non-essential" packages    i have done it a few times.   if you don't love linux console   don't try it.
[06:53] <intelikey> it will cut the whole install down to about 180m
[06:53] <scrubb2000> What does Q and $Q in your script doing?
[06:53] <scrubb2000> er what is
[06:53] <scrubb2000> er what ARE
[06:54] <intelikey> i'm using Q as a variable  and $Q is the value of that var.
[06:54] <intelikey> example#   for Q in 1 2 3 4 5 ;do echo $Q ;done     <<<< run that and you'll see what i mean
[06:55] <intelikey> or#   for Q in 1 2 3 4 5 ;do echo "echo is echoing $Q" ;done
[06:57] <scrubb2000> I see.
[06:58] <scrubb2000> What is the -f3 option doing?
[06:58] <intelikey> in "my script" as you called it.     `dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f3`   is setting the value of Q to every installed package.    you can see the results with#   dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f3
[06:59] <scrubb2000> I understand everything but the -f3 part.
[06:59] <intelikey> man cut
[06:59] <intelikey> field three
[06:59] <scrubb2000> aha
[06:59] <intelikey> delimitor space
[06:59] <scrubb2000> right
[06:59] <Greenery> i can't load my KDE4, crash handlers popped out for every KDE4 app. Any idea how to fix this?
[07:00] <intelikey> echo "blah, blah, to, do, something." | cut -d',' -f3
[07:00] <scrubb2000> Ok, I get it now.
[07:01] <intelikey> echo "blah, blah, to, do, something." | cut -d',' -f-4
[07:01] <intelikey> echo "blah, blah, to, do, something." | cut -d',' -f3-
[07:01] <intelikey> all return different outputs   ^
[07:02] <intelikey> scrubb2000 that is why it is said "the linux command line is a very powerful interface"
[07:02] <intelikey> it you can dream it up    you can do it.
[07:02] <scrubb2000> Right.  So your "script" is the dpkg equivalent of becoming a buddhist ascetic? ;)
[07:03] <intelikey> lol    one might draw that comparison
[07:03] <kunzy> Got a question, i installed the KDE desktop and have decided to use the GNOME one instead.  Is there a way to delete the KDE desktop so it will quit refering to itself as kubuntu?
[07:03] <scrubb2000> I'd probably use the command line a lot more if I knew about more of the N^N available commands...
[07:04] <intelikey> scrubb2000 in reality though there are about 180m of packages that are tagged "essential" that would not be removed.
[07:04] <Jay-Oh-En> everytime my computer prints its really tiny
[07:04] <Jay-Oh-En> its in the top left corner of the paper
[07:04] <Greenery> Jay-Oh-En: maybe the driver is not compatible
[07:06] <Agent_bob> kunzy the referance to kubuntu is in the kdm kdm artwork   i think     but yes   !pure-gnome  i think is the bot call for info on how.
[07:06] <Agent_bob> sorry modem reset.
[07:06] <Agent_bob> < intelikey
[07:07] <Jay-Oh-En> Greenery: then what driver would i use for mp700
[07:07] <Greenery> mp700 is canon?
[07:08] <Jay-Oh-En> yes
[07:08] <Greenery> I think you will have hard time to find driver for canon printer
[07:08] <Jay-Oh-En> !pure-gnome
[07:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pure-gnome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:08] <Agent_bob> well maybe it's not.   purekde works but puregnome doesn't   sorry.      there is a simple way tho
[07:09] <Agent_bob> i just don't remember it off hand.
[07:09] <Agent_bob> !purekde
[07:09] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[07:09] <Kernel> how cani make kde not remeber my last session?
[07:09] <Kernel> is there a setting somewhere to stop it?
[07:10] <scrubb2000> !puregnome
[07:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about puregnome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:10] <scrubb2000> oh well.  I tried.
[07:10] <Jay-Oh-En> Greenery: there was a driver that worked for it in gnome
[07:10] <Agent_bob> Kernel yeah should be,  in kcontrol  startup settings
[07:11] <Kernel> hmm ok ill lok around
[07:11] <Kernel> *look
[07:11] <Agent_bob> scrubb2000 yeah i can't find it.   i thought sure there was a bot call for that....
[07:11] <Greenery> Jay-Oh-En: yeah somehw gnome works well with canon pixma
[07:12] <Jay-Oh-En> Greenery: so what do i do :[
[07:12] <Jay-Oh-En> Greenery: i need to get this working
[07:12] <Agent_bob> !removekde
[07:12] <ubotu> Want to remove gnome/kde/xfce completely? Look at debfoster, it's a great help
[07:12] <oldude67> whats the easiest way to install kde4 ive got all the tar.bz2 files, but is there a .deb file for it?
[07:12] <Agent_bob> that's not what i wanted.     oh well.
[07:12] <Greenery> Jay-Oh-En: sorry i don't know how to help you on that
[07:13] <Jay-Oh-En> !printer
[07:13] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[07:15] <muesli> hey guys
[07:15] <muesli> someone using the kde4 packages already?
[07:15] <muesli> i just installed it and it seems to be missing a few files
[07:15] <muesli> like libphonon
[07:20] <sgrover> Whats the best way to get large memory support on a 32bit install?  (greater than 4 GB) - is there a kernel package I can install?  Or do I need to compile my own?
[07:25] <scrubb2000> What is meant by "virtual memory" in Linux?  It seems to still be using my physical RAM for it...
[07:26] <Anarch> scrubb2000: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_memory
[07:27] <jessie> hey guys
[07:27] <Anarch> Has anybody had a problem with the latest set of KDE upgrades?
[07:28] <Anarch> Where can I find documentation of what was changed?  (Still rummaging a page of Google results.)
[07:30] <sgrover> Anyone know how to get large memory support? (> 4 GB)
[07:33] <scrubb2000> So the process list shows each process using some amount of "virtual memory" and some amount of "physical memory".  What's the difference?
[07:33] <kyled185> sgrover: you need to compile your own kernel
[07:34] <sgrover> That's what I've been reading.  But I've also seen references to prebuilt packages with the 8GB flag set...
[07:34] <sgrover> But those seem to be for Feisty.  Don't see the matching packages with an aptitude search...
[07:37] <Botulinux> sgrover: I think that the kernel for ubuntu server supports large memory
[07:38] <sgrover> hmmm... I'll check it out...  wish there were some way to check before installing it...
[07:38] <sgrover> oh, nm - I have ubuntu server installed in a VM.
[07:58] <harmental> hey guys....will kde4 respect all my kde3 settings and startup apps?
[07:59] <PJC121> ok, quick and obvious question..... how do you copy, cut, paste and move items from folder to folder in KDE4
[07:59] <PJC121> on the desktop
[07:59] <jessie> hey, has anybody been able to lock the screen with 4?
[08:00] <PJC121> no jessie, I get the 'no way to unlock' error
[08:00] <jessie> same here
[08:01] <jessie> dang... but itll get better soon
[08:01] <oldude67> well if you guys are having problems with it now i dont think i want to install it anyways.
[08:01] <jessie> not problems.. just..... not 100% done yet
[08:01] <PJC121> jessie, have you figured out how to cut and paste icons or drag and drop them to folder on the desktop?
[08:01] <jessie> haha..... like, not all features are implimented
[08:01] <PJC121> yeah
[08:01] <intelikey> howto enable ftpd ?
[08:03] <jessie> intelikey: you mean, like start it up?
[08:03] <intelikey> jessie yes
[08:03] <intelikey> there is no ftpd executable  ???
[08:03] <jessie> intelikey: i would guess something like "sudo /etc/init.d/ftpd start"
[08:04] <intelikey> there is no init script that i can see
[08:05] <jessie> hmmmm....... well, look in adept for files installed
[08:05] <Daisuke_Ido> or aptitude for the less gui inclined ;)
[08:05] <jessie> haha....... true, true.
[08:06] <intelikey> heh.   well i just installed ftpd via apt  but there is no executable that i can find...
[08:07] <jessie> hmmmm..... and for ftp, i reccomend..... wait a sec
[08:07] <jessie> k, for ftp go with proftpd
[08:07] <jessie> it may be just package proftp
[08:08] <PoeticJaffaCake> argh, now why won't my root password be accepted for adept :/
[08:09] <jessie> PoeticJaffaCake: no idea....
[08:09] <ardchoille> !root
[08:09] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[08:09] <wesley> how can i change plasma,s translation in dutch theres a fault
[08:10] <intelikey> PoeticJaffaCake cause sudo doesn't use the root password.
[08:10] <jcgkffycs> I just did a fresh re-install of gutsy kubuntu, when i try to apt-get install something i get the following packages have unmet dependancies, it lists all the dependencies and says that they could not be installed
[08:10] <jessie> jcgkffycs: internet on that computer works, i take it?
[08:10] <corinth> How can I set links to launch in firefox instead of konqueror from kopete?
[08:10] <jcgkffycs> yes
[08:10] <PoeticJaffaCake> ok, then why is the password I have been using in KDE3 and for all sudo commands stopped working with the install of KDE4 :)
[08:10] <jessie> jcgkffycs: try sudo apt-get update
[08:11] <jcgkffycs> did that,
[08:11] <jessie> ok... um...... sudo apt-get install --fix-missing?
[08:11] <PoeticJaffaCake> and why is the adept manager saying: Run as Root - KDE Please enter root's password below.
[08:12] <jcgkffycs> > sudo apt-get install --fix-missing Reading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency tree  Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:13] <ardchoille> jcgkffycs: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list for me so I can see if there are any errors?
[08:13] <ardchoille> !paste | jcgkffycs
[08:13] <ubotu> jcgkffycs: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:13] <jessie> ardchoille: you beat me too it
[08:13] <ardchoille> jessie: :)
[08:14] <jessie> haha.....
[08:14] <intelikey> in.ftpd   <<< the executable.    i have no idea why.
[08:15] <corinth> What's a good video/mp3 player that works well with Kubuntu?
[08:16] <jessie> corinth: kaffine
[08:16] <intelikey> corinth i like vlc   but then i watch movies in the console too.
[08:16] <corinth> Oh, oops.
[08:16] <jcgkffycs> when i do sudo apt-get update it outputs something I am not used to it says an example of a line "Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates/multiverse Packages"
[08:16] <corinth> Let me rephrase.
[08:16] <jessie> intelikey: how do you do that?
[08:16] <corinth> As in, Creative Zen, iPod, etc.
[08:16] <corinth> Hehe.
[08:17] <intelikey> jessie svga-libs
[08:17] <wesley>  i got in plasma by digital time uu:12 what should be 09:12 it seems this is a translation fault in dutch how to fix?
[08:17] <jcgkffycs> here is my /etc/apt/sources.list on pastbin http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51639/
[08:17] <boubbin> if i install kde4 with apt-get update, will i be able to use kde 3 still ?
[08:17] <corinth> boubbin: Yes.
[08:17] <boubbin> nice
[08:17] <posingaspopular> yes boubbin
[08:17] <posingaspopular> i can link you as to how to do that too
[08:17] <corinth> boubbin: Just follow the instructions on kubuntu.org
[08:18] <intelikey> jessie can be done with frame buffer too  but i don't like playing with fbcon  if you hose it (app crash even)  you are in for a reboot before you can see anything again.
[08:18] <boubbin> yeah i did that earlier, but no it seems that kde4 is avalable in the kubuntu repos also
[08:18] <wesley> i got kde4 running on kubuntu
[08:19] <jessie> intelikey: ohhhhhh...... that explains why ocassionally my terminal's freak out
[08:20] <Daisuke_Ido> would you like a cookie?
[08:20] <ardchoille> jcgkffycs: I found the problem
[08:20]  * corinth slaps Daisuke_Ido
[08:20] <intelikey> jessie could be.   *buntu does use fbcon by default  "boot splash"
[08:20] <ardchoille> jcgkffycs: In that pastebin post, you have a line that is commented and it shouldn't be: line 6
[08:20] <PoeticJaffaCake> anyone have an idea why I can sudo su in the terminal but adept manager won;t accept my password?
[08:21] <ardchoille> jcgkffycs: You need to open your sources.list and uncomment that line. Let me know if you want help doing this.
[08:21] <jessie> intelikey: im pretty sure i do have it enabled.... but im not gonna restart x to test it... texting my gf... haha
[08:22] <jcgkffycs> is this the line? deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted
[08:22] <intelikey> jessie has nothing to do with xorg btw
[08:22] <jessie> intelikey: really? then with your grub options?
[08:22] <intelikey> yes
[08:22] <ardchoille> jcgkffycs: It has a "#" in front of it, you need to remiove that "#" and then update: sudo apt-get update
[08:23] <intelikey> "boot splash" not "login splash screen in xorg"
[08:23] <intelikey> two seperate critters.
[08:23] <jcgkffycs> yes, I just uncommented it and apt is now working thank you
[08:23] <jessie> intelikey: oh, ok. how would one disable it? and i see that when i do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg...
[08:23] <ardchoille> jcgkffycs: yw
[08:24] <jessie> intelikey: sorry, i forgot to finish what i was saying, anyways, when i do that, i can choose to use or not use framebuffer
[08:24] <corinth> Anyone have webcaming working in kopete?
[08:24] <corinth> Like, actually used it before.
[08:24] <PoeticJaffaCake> ah, so this is the solution to my problem apparently according to a google search "Adept still won't accept your sudoer password. We worked around this by giving root a password, and then starting adept. It worked, "but it really shouldn't have been necessary.
[08:25] <jessie> PoeticJaffaCake: i would file a bug with kde/kubuntu
[08:25] <ardchoille> PoeticJaffaCake: What about running this from a term:  kdesu adept_manager
[08:26] <jessie> my guess is that kdesu is linked wrong
[08:26] <intelikey> jessie when you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it does ask if you want to use kernel frame buffer as your xorg driver,   i.e. using fbcon to draw the graphic.  "which i said i don't like to use for watching movies in the console"    but the fbcon module is loaded in the initramfs.img  and is activated with the "splash" or vga=  in the grub config   /boot/grub/menu.lst    used for that eyecandy that puts the startup text in
[08:26] <ardchoille> PoeticJaffaCake: or try:  kdesudo adept_manager
[08:26] <PoeticJaffaCake> I get a cannot connect to x-server message
[08:27] <jessie> intelikey: ohhhh..... ok. learn something new every day... lol
[08:28] <sigma_1234> !samba
[08:28] <ubotu> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[08:28] <intelikey> jessie if you wanted to disable it you can remove the  'splash' or set it to 'nosplash' in the menu.lst    (only affective upon boot up.
[08:28] <sigma_1234> whats a good kde gui for samba?
[08:29] <jessie> intelikey: nah..... ill survive. just good to know the difference between the two
[08:29] <apparle> ardchoille: You are the best person. I have ever chatted with on IRC. You have solved all my problems everytime.  :)   ;)   :D   :D
[08:29] <ardchoille> apparle: Well, thank you :)
[08:30] <intelikey> jessie as to the "how do you do that?"   with package svgalib installed and the module for vlc     vlc -V svgalib "$@"   where $@ would be the file name of a vidio  or a disk drive.
[08:31] <intelikey> and presto the console turned into a movie player
[08:31] <flamesage> He
[08:31] <flamesage> Hey*
[08:31] <flamesage> I have a question
[08:31] <flamesage> Is there a "correct" way of installing compiz-fusion on Kubuntu?
[08:32] <intelikey> !compiz | flamesage if so this will have it.
[08:32] <ubotu> flamesage if so this will have it.: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[08:32] <flamesage> That's for Ubuntu..
[08:32] <flamesage> Not Kubuntu :/
[08:32] <jessie> intelikey: and what color bitrate thingy would that give me?
[08:32] <jessie> 16 bit?
[08:32] <intelikey> i said if there is.  that page will have it.
[08:32] <firecrotch> flamesage:  it still applies.
[08:33] <intelikey> jessie 24bit
[08:33] <jessie> intelikey: really? wow
[08:33] <jessie> i might have to go try this
[08:33] <funcrush> How can I include a widget like system tray in taskbar in KDE4?
[08:33]  * seishinbyou installed Beryl in Kubuntu and just used that in whatever WM he wanted to use at the time
[08:34] <apparle> I want to run a particular konsole command when I press a Key combination. How to do that?
[08:34] <firecrotch> funcrush:  drag it from the Add Widget window to the panel...
[08:34] <intelikey> jessie ummm i should mention that you have to manually config the rc file for the svgalib  in /etc/vga/
[08:34] <Jay-Oh-En> where can i get drivers for a canon multiPASS mp700
[08:34] <intelikey>  libvga.config  in particular.
[08:34] <llutz> apparle: use screen
[08:35] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: Is that a scanner?
[08:35] <Jay-Oh-En> no printer
[08:35] <apparle> llutz: What is a screen
[08:35] <funcrush> firecrotch: It doesn't work..
[08:35] <jessie> intelikey: haha... ok, well i think ill just stick to kaffine then.... whats the advantage of using the konsole/terminal?
[08:35] <seishinbyou> Hi, I don't really have any problems with Kubuntu or anything like that.  I'm just here for the ride
[08:35] <firecrotch> funcrush:  what part of it doesn't work?
[08:35] <llutz> apparle: screen -  - screen manager with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation
[08:35] <firecrotch> funcrush: that's how I've put stuff on my panel
[08:36] <intelikey> jessie heh.  yeah telling people that they will have to tell the package what kind of hard ware has been bad for the business for a long time....  ;/
[08:36] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: well im not sure if the driver is the problem i think its the settings
[08:36] <apparle> llutz: I am new to linux. Please tell something easy
[08:36] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: it always prints really small
[08:36] <llutz> apparle: there you can define actions on various keypress, not sure how to do that with dash
[08:36] <firecrotch> funcrush:  although there have been reports that it doesn't work properly all the time due to a bug
[08:36] <funcrush> firecroch: well, I drag a widget but not included in taskbar.
[08:36] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: Ok, I don't see that model on the hardware support canon page either
[08:36] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: and in like a small square at the top left of the paper
[08:36] <jessie> intelikey: true true..... so whats a perk about using the terminal to watch vids?
[08:36] <funcrush> firecrotch: well.. anyway thank you:)
[08:37] <firecrotch> funcrush:  is the widget already on the desktop?
[08:37] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: Hmm, no idea. You might try http://ubuntuforums.org if you don't get an answer here
[08:37] <funcrush> firecrotch: yup, I added it in desktop already
[08:37] <intelikey> no xorg or any of the heavy stuff needed.   can be used on a minimal hw minimal install situation.   for one.     impresses the newbeez for another  :)
[08:38] <firecrotch> funcrush:  remove it from the desktop, open the add widget window, and drag it directly from the add widget window to the panel
[08:38] <apparle> llutz: There is no GUI tool
[08:38] <funcrush> firecrotch: ah... I see. thank you!!
[08:38] <funcrush> firecrotch: it works!
[08:38] <firecrotch> funcrush:  you're welcome! took me a while to figure that one out lol
[08:39] <jessie> intelikey: hahaha.... those are very good points...... lol. minimal hardware is good
[08:39] <jessie> and speaking of which, what do you guys reccomend for a pdvr?
[08:39] <funcrush> firecrotch: my english is bad anyway thank you very much^^
[08:39] <intelikey> jessie i like being able to have it full screen (which of course that is) and just hit a key to switch consoles for what ever and right back.
[08:40] <jessie> intelikey: that is also true. what res? what ever you tell it to be?
[08:40] <apparle4292> Hello
[08:40] <PoeticJaffaCake> ok, well I had to set a root password, but have submitted the bug
[08:41] <intelikey> umm i think im configured at 1024x800   it is adjustable in the config file.
[08:41] <intelikey> that's not right.   1024x768
[08:41] <jerome_> q. i would like to get the network/cpu/ram usage on the taskbar, where should i look ?
[08:42] <intelikey> highest i have tried is 1200x1024
[08:42] <jessie> intelikey: i might have to eventually try that out. it sounds like a good way to watch a movie while at school ;)
[08:42] <intelikey> jerome_ maybe ksysguard ?
[08:42] <jerome_> intelikey: i was hoping you would not say that :)
[08:42] <apparle> I wanna make a menu in the taskbar similar to System menu, which will display the contents of /media
[08:43] <jerome_> intelikey: ok i will try again ksysguard :)
[08:43] <intelikey> jerome_ yeah that's not what you want anyway
[08:43] <jerome_> intelikey: any alternative ?
[08:43] <intelikey> you want seperate applets
[08:43] <seishinbyou> Ah, is there any program in Kubuntu that will allow me to run old dBaseIV .prg files?
[08:43] <intelikey> ummmm idk.
[08:43] <seishinbyou> there was one, dbman, but the rpms for that fell of the face of the earth years ago
[08:44] <intelikey> jerome_ i really don't mess with a gui much.   maybe someone else knows
[08:44] <jerome_> intelikey: ok i will reask later then. thanks :)
[08:44] <Jay-Oh-En> where can i get drivers for a canon multiPASS mp730 ardchoille
[08:44] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: it wasnt 700 it was 730
[08:45] <intelikey> heh when i wnat to know the temp of a box,  i just   cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
[08:46] <CppIsWeird> how i get kubuntu to double click instead of single click?
[08:46] <intelikey> jerome_ lm-sensors    is a package you may want to install tho
[08:47] <intelikey> CppIsWeird <<< you can say that again.  cpp is wierd!
[08:47] <jessie> CppIsWeird: that is in the system settings under mouse
[08:48] <CppIsWeird> lol
[08:48] <CppIsWeird> i guess thats a good place to put it
[08:48] <CppIsWeird> thanks
[08:48] <jessie> haha..... any time
[08:48] <sigma_1234> can konq hide known file extensions?
[08:48] <apparle> anybody knows an offline dictionary
[08:49] <llutz> apparle: ding
[08:49] <CppIsWeird> sigma, why on earth would you want to do that? one of the most annoying features of windows
[08:49] <apparle> I will be online after 5 min
[08:50] <intelikey> apparle i have the full websters unabridged 1825  and a script to parse it that if i had a place to post it i would point you to....
[08:50] <intelikey> can't exactly use pastebin for that tho
[08:51] <jessie> intelikey: how much space would it take, you think?
[08:51] <intelikey> 10 m
[08:52] <intelikey> packed.   give me a minute and i'll tell you.
[08:52] <sigma_1234> i find showing the extensions rather annoying
[08:52] <jessie> intelikey: sounds good
[08:52] <jessie> and then im hitting the hay guys
[08:53] <CppIsWeird> heh, to each their own when it comes to interfaces. :-P
[08:55] <intelikey> 7.5M websters.tar.bz2
[08:55] <sigma_1234> how do you restart samba?
[08:55] <intelikey> jessie have a place to post that ?
[08:55] <jessie> wow.... thats not bad at all.
[08:55] <jessie> yes, actually, i do
[08:55] <jessie> but could i get in legal trouble?
[08:56] <intelikey> well it's all gnu-gpl   as far as i know.
[08:56] <apparle> llutz: Please repeat the name of dictionary
[08:56] <llutz> apparle: ding
[08:57] <intelikey> i mean i wrote the script my self. i know it is.  and the data file is plain gext from a gpl'd text file...
[08:57] <apparle> llutz: GUI or CLI??
[08:57] <llutz> apparle: gui
[08:57] <intelikey> gext   :)   opps
[08:57] <jessie> intelikey: oh, ok.... i meant with the dictionary..
[08:57] <jessie> like, would webster come after me?
[08:57] <llutz> intelikey: some guys prefer to type into guis, don't know why ;)
[08:58] <enry> hello
[08:59] <apparle> llutz: I don't like to type into GUI. Its just simpler for GUIs. Don't worry I will learn CLI soon
[08:59] <llutz> apparle: in most cases it isn't simpler at all, but you will see that later :)
[08:59] <intelikey> jessie msg me.
[09:00] <apparle> llutz: I agree with you. I am just learning CLI and using GUI as temporary. By the way I am not fussed about GUI dictionary, I want hotkey support
[09:00] <jessie> intelikey: how? haha
[09:01] <jessie> apparle: i use vim.. hehe.... its the best!
[09:01] <intelikey> /msg intelikey
[09:01] <intelikey> are you registered ?
[09:01] <intelikey> i'm not or i would have already opened the pm.
[09:02] <apparle> jessie: What is vim?
[09:02] <jessie> apparle: its like.... nano.... but better
[09:02] <intelikey> text editor
[09:02] <jessie> vi improved
[09:02] <tolano> Hello, will kde4 be included in Kubuntu Gutsy? if yes, when is it happening? Thanks
[09:02] <jessie> intelikey: no, im not
[09:03] <intelikey> well we'll leave this for another day then
[09:03] <apparle> jessie: Is it offline, Does it have hotkey support
[09:03] <firecrotch> tolano: It's in gutsy-backports
[09:03] <jessie> intelikey: email it to me... maybe... hmm.....
[09:03] <jessie> haha.... break it up into serveral parts, if possible
[09:04] <tolano> firecrotch: Do you mean this  http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu ?
[09:05] <apparle> llutz: Is ding available on packages.ubuntu.com
[09:05] <llutz> apparle: it's in universe repo
[09:05] <firecrotch> tolano: no, it should be in the backports repo already, but you can use ppa too if you want
[09:06] <tolano> firecrotch: if I use them, will I have any problem when there is the official packages available?
[09:06] <apparle> llutz: I don't understand that. I am running on an WinXP box and wanna download it.
[09:06] <firecrotch> tolano:  You shouldn't
[09:07] <tolano> firecrotch: Thank you very much, I'm gonna tryç
[09:07] <tolano> bye
[09:07] <llutz> apparle: boot into kubuntu, install it via package-manager
[09:07] <jessie> intelikey: Ok, well im going to bed now.... haha..... 2 o clock where im at. if you do get that split up or what not, my emails jessie at confettinatiques.com.
[09:08] <jessie> that last part of my email would probably be the place i would post it
[09:08] <apparle> llutz: not possible as I don't have net at home. I am in college on box with only XP
[09:08] <apparle> jessie:  Is it offline, Does it have hotkey support
[09:09] <jessie> apparle: well, im not sure... you'd have to ask intelikey
[09:09] <llutz> apparle: it probably  won't work this way, because of all the dependencies a package has. they all need to be solved
[09:09] <jessie> i would guess he could make it work that way
[09:10] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: No idea, I've never had a printer.
[09:10] <jessie> k, i really need to leave now
[09:10] <jessie> peace
[09:11] <apparle> llutz: I have been doing that for all the packages I need for last 3 months. I am quite good at it
[09:11] <mlpug> Are kernel images for ubuntu and kubuntu totally interchangeable? Do instructions at help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile apply when building FOR kubuntu or IN kubuntu? where are instruction to build just one module (driver) not the whole kernel?
[09:11] <llutz> apparle: then search on ubuntu-page for ding and its dependencies, load all of them and try
[09:13] <intelikey> mlpug they are not interchangable. they are the same.   i.e. no seperate builds.  same package/file.
[09:14] <apparle> anybody knows a program for Windows to download packages from repositories
[09:15] <intelikey> !packages
[09:15] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[09:15] <mlpug> intelikey, thats what I wanted to hear because it means that I can try to build custom kernel for kubuntu 7.10 in my ubuntu 7.10. Or actually I should change just couple of lines in one module/driver
[09:15] <intelikey> use that url in ie  ^
[09:16] <intelikey> yep if they are both up to date mlpug they have the same file.deb package of the kernel installed.
[09:16] <ody> hi all, is there a way to intergrate synaptic in my kubuntu installation and remove adept?
[09:16] <apparle> intelikey: I know that. I just want something similar to apt-get for Windows to download packages for linux
[09:16] <intelikey> apparle i'm not aware of any.
[09:17] <apparle> ody: why do you prefer synaptic
[09:17] <ody> probably cause I'm used to it, plus it looks better
[09:17] <intelikey> ody sure install the one and remove the other.
[09:18] <ardchoille> ody: You can just run synaptic in kubuntu, you can run most any gnome app in kubuntu
[09:18] <ody> will it check for updates automatically though?
[09:18] <intelikey> most any ?    are there some you can't ?
[09:18] <ardchoille> intelikey: Not sure, best to cover my bases ;)
[09:18] <intelikey> :)
[09:18] <intelikey> ok.   des quatro
[09:19] <ardchoille> ody: I don't think synaptic does that
[09:19] <ody> ok thanks
[09:19] <intelikey> updatemanager does that ?
[09:20] <ardchoille> intelikey: adept_notifier ?
[09:20] <seishinbyou> hm, why is it that if I didn't install the 64bit version for my sempron, the HDD/USB/IO throughput drops to 1meg/sec?
[09:20] <intelikey> in ubuntu ?
[09:20] <ardchoille> intelikey: Not sure, I use cli for all package stuff
[09:20] <apparle> I am unable to open packages.ubuntu.com What to do
[09:20] <intelikey> or i mean  update-manager
[09:21] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: hey if ubuntu has the driver for there program do you think i could get it from that
[09:21] <Jay-Oh-En> ?
[09:21] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: As I said, I know nothing about printers or their drivers
[09:22] <intelikey> Jay-Oh-En you mean setup the printer in gnome and then use it in kde  ?     if so the answer is yes.
[09:22] <Jay-Oh-En> yeah
[09:22]  * intelikey has had to fly that path.
[09:23] <Jay-Oh-En> but i dont want to install gnome :[
[09:23] <intelikey> !purekde | but after you set it up...
[09:23] <ubotu> but after you set it up...: purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[09:24] <intelikey> just a thought.   not sujesting you do it.
[09:24] <Jay-Oh-En> why
[09:24] <intelikey> cause that's your decision and if you make a bad one, then i don't want noted for it..
[09:24] <apparle> intelikey: Will win-get serve my purpose http://windows-get.sourceforge.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=7c5b878cb63a2164dbfe84d0846bfbbb
[09:25] <Jay-Oh-En> hey intelikey its not like im gonig to come back here and be like its all his fault ill just reinstall if i cant fix it with my hands
[09:26] <intelikey> apparle i doubt it.   but you can try.
[09:26] <Jay-Oh-En> intelikey: but if i do purekde wont it remove my printer
[09:26] <Jay-Oh-En> >?
[09:27] <intelikey> no.  cups will have the printcap and other configs.  and is independant of either DE
[09:27] <apparle> I wanna run a particular command when I press a key combo. How?
[09:28] <intelikey> that's the reason that you can setup a printer from one DE and then use the printer from the other DE   cause cups is what you are configuring,  and gnome and kde just provide tools to help you configure it.
[09:28] <intelikey> apparle khotkeys
[09:29] <apparle> intelikey: how to use them
[09:29] <intelikey> apparle run that.  and setup the command and key combo
[09:30] <ardchoille> intelikey: Whoa, that returned "ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed." First crash I've seen since Breezy
[09:30] <intelikey> really.
[09:30] <intelikey> !bug
[09:30] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[09:31] <jerome_> !language
[09:31] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[09:31] <jerome_> q. i look for a documentation on how to add language/keyboardlayout, where should i look ?
[09:32] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: ive never crashed before and if you dont want to see anymore you shouldnt use kde4
[09:32] <Jay-Oh-En> lol
[09:32] <ardchoille> hehe
[09:32] <Jay-Oh-En> that crashes all the time
[09:32] <Jay-Oh-En> but if you want to try it
[09:32] <Jay-Oh-En> you should use the live cd
[09:33] <seishinbyou> can't be worse than the way Vista crashes though.  At least restarting X is relatively painless
[09:33] <ardchoille> jerome_: systemsettings > Regional & Language
[09:33] <intelikey> !keyboard | jerome
[09:33] <ubotu> jerome: To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[09:33] <Jay-Oh-En> seishinbyou: not all the time but vista is horrible dont even speak of it in here
[09:33] <jerome_> ardchoille: it doesnt propose the language i want. i think i must add a bunch of package. but i dunno which one. hence my request for a doc
[09:34] <Jay-Oh-En> has anybody here used xfce
[09:34] <Jay-Oh-En> ?
[09:34] <ardchoille> jerome_: Let me look..
[09:34] <intelikey> jerome_ probably language-pack-****
[09:34] <intelikey> what language you want ?
[09:34] <jerome_> ok looking
[09:34] <jerome_> intelikey: french so like language-pack-fr
[09:35] <intelikey> yeah
[09:35] <ardchoille> jerome_: apt-cache search | grep language
[09:35] <jerome_> ardchoille: ok
[09:35] <intelikey> jerome_   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d675cf58e
[09:36] <seishinbyou> Jay-Oh-En: I have/do
[09:36] <apparle> Can I add a popup menu to task bar like KMenu
[09:37] <intelikey> ardchoille heh   that's the full list alright.  :)    apt-cache -n search fr | grep lang
[09:37] <ardchoille> apparle: If you are looking for a different kind of menu, try kbfx
[09:37] <ardchoille> intelikey: Nice
[09:39] <apparle> ardchoille: No I want a menu showing the contents of /media.
[09:40] <intelikey> apparle "a quick browser" itom
[09:40] <ardchoille> yeah, quick browser would work
[09:40] <apparle> explain more
[09:41] <ardchoille> apparle: right click the panel, choose Add applet to panel. look for the Quick File Browser applet and add it
[09:41] <intelikey> if it's not kde4   right click a blank portion of the kicker/pannel and add to pannel    quick browser
[09:41] <Jay-Oh-En> seishinbyou: show me a screenshot i want to see how nice you made it look
[09:42] <Jay-Oh-En> seishinbyou: is it fast?
[09:42] <seishinbyou> xfce?  It's fast all right.  Uses few resources
[09:43] <seishinbyou> My desktops always look like crap, but I can show you if you want
[09:43]  * seishinbyou like a billion windows open at a time
[09:43] <Jay-Oh-En> seishinbyou: ok show me
[09:43] <Jay-Oh-En> seishinbyou: wanna see mine?
[09:43] <apparle> ardchoille: Will try when home
[09:44] <MilitantPotato> Is the repo in the KDE4 link the only one I need to add?
[09:45] <apparle> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[09:45] <apparle>  How to fix this
[09:45] <MilitantPotato> I'm getting a couple unmet dependencies
[09:45] <jussi01> MilitantPotato: I assume you are following the !kde4 instructions?
[09:45] <seishinbyou> Jay-Oh-En: Okay.  I'm DCCing you a snapshot
[09:45] <MilitantPotato> !kde4
[09:45] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ and support in #kubuntu
[09:45] <fdoving> apparle: you need the xorg-dev package.
[09:46] <intelikey> apparle install the "X libraries"
[09:46] <seishinbyou> If that doesn't work I can put it on my server
[09:46] <MilitantPotato> yes I am jussi01
[09:46] <apparle> intelikey: Please tell me the package
[09:46] <jussi01> MilitantPotato: did you update?
[09:46] <MilitantPotato> It's downloading packages now
[09:46] <intelikey> apparle fdoving beet me to it
 apparle: you need the xorg-dev package.
[09:47] <MilitantPotato> The main portions are working, but there was one meta package that wouldn't work, I forgot the name, give me a few and I'll get it
[09:47] <MilitantPotato> I got the error when I tried to mark Kweather
[09:47] <apparle> fdoving: do you have Kubuntu Gutsy 7.10 i386
[09:47] <Jay-Oh-En> seishinbyou: want a snapshot of mine?
[09:47] <seishinbyou> sure
[09:48] <seishinbyou> I'm trying a DCC with you, are you able to get it?
[09:48] <fdoving> apparle: yes.
[09:48] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En , seishinbyou Perhaps continue that in #kubuntu-offtopic or pm?
[09:48] <jussi01> MilitantPotato: and you are certain you removed any previous kde4 packages?
[09:48] <MilitantPotato> jussi01: yes, I never installed anything KDE4
[09:49] <jussi01> MilitantPotato: hmmm
[09:49] <jussi01> !brokenkde4
[09:49] <ubotu> If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[09:49] <jussi01> MilitantPotato: you can try that  I suppose...
[09:49] <MilitantPotato> It needed a ppa3, but only the ppa1 existed in the repo, in a few I'll have the info
[09:49] <apparle> fdoving: Could you please download xorg-dev with all dependencies and send them to me in a zip? You can do it in a command but I have to download each any every file seperately
[09:50] <gladier> apparle: its all in the repos ...
[09:50] <fdoving> apparle: no. i'm busy.
[09:50] <MilitantPotato> do i replace KDMRC?
[09:50] <apparle> gladier: I am using XP
[09:50] <apparle> fdoving: OK  :o
[09:50] <fdoving> apparle: there is this app named apt-zip
[09:51] <apparle> fdoving: what will it do?
[09:51] <fdoving> apparle: you find out, google, packages.ubuntu.com and so on :)
[09:52] <intelikey> or use the bot    /msg ubotu info apt-zip
[09:52] <apparle> fdoving: thanks for the help
[09:54] <jerome_> intelikey: ardchoille: it did the job. thanks :)
[09:54] <ardchoille> jerome_: Good job :)
[09:54] <MilitantPotato> !pastebin
[09:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:55] <MilitantPotato> Any ideas? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51642/
[09:56] <apparle> anybody here who could download xorg-dev with all dependencies for me and send a .zip to me PLEASEEEEEEE...........
[09:56] <jpatrick> apparle: ?
[09:57] <Topsun> thats a little bit huge
[09:57] <MilitantPotato> apparle: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xorg-dev&searchon=names&suite=stable&section=all
[09:57] <intelikey> apparle only if you want 6.6    not likely  ;/
[09:58] <MilitantPotato> Any ideas on what's on that pastebin link?
[09:58] <apparle> All the files are of size near about 1KB. Just that there are to many too download one by one in windows
[09:58] <jpatrick> MilitantPotato: I'm looking
[09:58] <MilitantPotato> ty
[09:58] <Jay-Oh-En> http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/pronege/mydekstop2.png
[09:58] <jpatrick> MilitantPotato: you using backports?
[09:59] <MilitantPotato> no
[09:59] <MilitantPotato> I'll enable them if you think that would help
[09:59] <Topsun> apparle: and why aren't you downloading via apt?
[09:59] <jpatrick> MilitantPotato: looks like you're using some old packages
[09:59] <intelikey> MilitantPotato  3.97.0
[10:00] <jpatrick> MilitantPotato: try: sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-dev
[10:00] <apparle> Topsun: I have either a computer with net and windows or a computer with  kubuntu but without windows
[10:01] <Topsun> apparle: but you have networking on that kubuntu?
[10:01] <MilitantPotato> jpatrick: doing it now
[10:02] <apparle> Topsun: nope. That's the big problem
[10:02] <MilitantPotato> intelikey: I'm not following...
[10:02] <mikkael> is it only me, or is kopete-kde4 not able to connect to any network/protocol ?
[10:02] <Topsun> apparle: have you discovered why you don't have network?
[10:03] <jpatrick> mikkael: that poor app needs work still
[10:03] <mohi> hi guuz
[10:03] <mikkael> jpatrick: so what do you recommend for msn messenger and icq on kde4 ? (i know they suck, but i have people there)
[10:04] <apparle> Topsun: Simple. My parents are not allowing me to subscribe to an internet connection. and the other box is in the college
[10:04] <intelikey> MilitantPotato the package kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 depends on the version 3.97.0 of kdebase-runtime-data but you have 4.0 installed   thus i assume the problem is a version mismatch with the  kdebase-runtime-bin*
[10:04] <Topsun> apparle: ah ok, i see
[10:04] <mikkael> i think ill stick with konversation for irc, i like it, using it for the very first time
[10:04] <jpatrick> mikkael: no idea, I've only used Kopete
[10:04] <MilitantPotato> Ah. lovely
[10:04] <mohi> I wanna install ubuntu-desktop on the kubuntu+kde4 with adept! does it works? or needs something special?
[10:04] <intelikey> MilitantPotato i was following up on what jpatrick said.
[10:04] <apparle> Topsun: So could you do my job?
[10:05] <mikkael> jpatrick: the problem is: i was able to use the kde3 kopete on kde4, but since yesterday or so it launches kopete-kde4 even with the command kopete
[10:05] <jpatrick> intelikey, MilitantPotato: I believe kdebase-runtime no longer exists
[10:05] <jpatrick> mikkael: so launch the kde3 one :)
[10:05] <Topsun> apparle: well let's see. which version do you have? 7.10?
[10:05] <mikkael> jpatrick: "kopete" launches kopete-kde4 :(
[10:06] <intelikey> jpatrick kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 ?
[10:06] <MilitantPotato> marking 3.97 wants to remove pretty much all of KDE4
[10:06] <jpatrick> mikkael: Alt-F2 should show the Kopete KDE3 one too
[10:06] <apparle> Topsun: Kubuntu Gutsy 7.10 i386
[10:06] <jpatrick> MilitantPotato: because it's old :)
[10:06] <jpatrick> intelikey: I know "kdebase-runtime" got removed
[10:06] <mikkael> my alt shortcuts are broken, but i will try with the launcher
[10:06] <MilitantPotato> why would kweather-kde4 want an older incompatible package?
[10:07] <apparle> Topsun: Another blow for me. Unable to open packages.ubuntu.com from our college network
[10:08] <intelikey> aptitude remove $(dpkg -l |egrep '(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}') kdebase-bin-kde3+  # MilitantPotato
[10:08] <Topsun> apparle: perhaps you college has an internal mirror for ubuntu and so they block direct downloads
[10:08] <mohi> sorry I wanna install ubuntu-desktop on the kubuntu+kde4 with adept! does it works? or needs something special?
[10:08] <MilitantPotato> sudo aptitude remove $(dpkg -l |egrep '(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}') kdebase-bin-kde3+  #
[10:08] <mikkael> mohi: it should work, you will asked if you want gdm or kdm
[10:09] <Dekans> hello all
[10:09] <Dekans> i have a little pbm with desktop grid on KDE 4
[10:09] <intelikey> and apt-get update :apt-get dist-upgrade    # MilitantPotato
[10:09] <white_eagle> and I still cannot get KWIN to work in KDE 4
[10:09] <apparle> Topsun: I don't think so as nobody here even knows what ubuntu is
[10:09] <mohi> mikkael: :) tanx
[10:09] <white_eagle> i've selected both xrender and opengl
[10:10] <Topsun> apparle: :)
[10:10] <white_eagle> and I don't get the special effects
[10:10] <mikkael> jpatrick: uninstalling kopete-kde4 solved my problem
[10:10] <apparle> Topsun: Can you get xorg-dev for me?
[10:10] <intelikey> apt-get install kde4-core # MilitantPotato
[10:11] <Dekans> desktop grid is activated but ctrl+F8 has no effect
[10:11] <eekee> ohayo.. does Dapper Drake include kde 3 or 4? What about Gutsy Gibbon?
[10:11] <Dekans> yesterday it was OK
[10:11] <Dekans> eekee: KDE 3
[10:11] <eekee> Dekans: cheers
[10:11] <apparle> Topsun: Can you get xorg-dev for me
[10:11] <white_eagle> please tell me how can I enable kwin :((( I went to tick the box from enable desktop effects , nothing happened
[10:12] <white_eagle> I changed from opengl to xrender, nothing happened
[10:12] <vzduch> white_eagle: kwin is not a desktop effect (if that's the same as in KDE3 at least..), it's the window manager itself
[10:12] <Topsun> apparle: yes, 38 MB are ok
[10:12] <mikkael> white_eagle: which driver for your graphics card ?
[10:12] <white_eagle> restricted
[10:12] <white_eagle> compiz runs in GNOME
[10:12] <MilitantPotato> yea kweather-kde4 still won't install, same errors
[10:12] <Topsun> apparle: the archives are 12 MB
[10:13] <MilitantPotato> i'm going to hop on KDE4 real quick, see how it goes
[10:13] <Topsun> apparle: an how would you get it from me?
[10:13] <intelikey> Topsun /dcc send apparle file.zip
[10:13] <intelikey> oops sorry.
[10:13] <Topsun> intelikey: thanks
[10:14] <white_eagle> compiz-fusion runs perfectly in Gnome but kwin doesn't work in KDE 4
[10:15] <apparle> Topsun: As said by intelikey or mail it to me
[10:15] <mikkael> white_eagle: are you sure it doesnt work, how do you know ? there are no wobbly windows or a cube
[10:15] <Topsun> apparle: be patient, i'm working on it :)
[10:15] <white_eagle> mikkael, there isn't a desktop grid
[10:15] <apparle> Topsun: Alright
[10:15] <ZeBarbu> hi all
[10:15] <mikkael> white_eagle: what do you mean be grid, sorry for my english
[10:16] <mikkael> *by#
[10:16] <white_eagle> you know the desktop workspaces
[10:16] <ZeBarbu> on official kde4 kubuntu packages, I've no keyboard shortcuts (alt+tab, alt+f2, ...)
[10:16] <ZeBarbu> is it a known problem?
[10:16] <ZeBarbu> I tried with new user...
[10:16] <mikkael> white_eagle: that has nothing to do with composite effects
[10:16] <white_eagle> I have now alt-tab previews
[10:16] <white_eagle> no*
[10:16] <white_eagle> sorry
[10:17] <ZeBarbu> white_eagle: the same for me
[10:17] <white_eagle> i have no translucent windows
[10:17] <ZeBarbu> neither alt+f2
[10:17] <mikkael> white_eagle: maybe your alt-shortcuts are not working, same here..try alt +f4 or alt +f2
[10:17] <white_eagle> they work
[10:17] <white_eagle> alt-f4 works
[10:17] <ZeBarbu> mikkael: it doesn't work for me
[10:18] <mikkael> white_eagle: did you enable some effects in systemsettings ?
[10:18] <white_eagle> and also, I can't see a wireless monitor in kDE 4
[10:18] <mikkael> ZeBarbu: do you know a solution ?
[10:18] <white_eagle> i connect to the internet via wifi
[10:18] <apparle> Topsun: Could you also mail it. Just in case I need it some time later
[10:18] <white_eagle> and I can't connect via KDE4 because there isn't a place where I can manage them
[10:18] <Topsun> apparle: ok
[10:18] <ZeBarbu> mikkael: not yet... i investigate...
[10:19] <jpatrick> white_eagle: kdm-kde4 is borked
[10:19] <mikkael> white_eagle: you can launch kde3-apps in kde4, so launch network manager ?
[10:19] <MilitantPotato> very slick.
[10:19] <jpatrick> MilitantPotato: yes!
[10:19] <white_eagle> s(l)ick
[10:19] <MilitantPotato> I miss the old K menu though
[10:20] <intelikey> question will kde4 use the debian menu if you install it ?
[10:21] <jpatrick> MilitantPotato: opne plamsa add applet and chose Appliction Launhccher Menu
[10:21] <CharlieKane> hello
[10:21] <vzduch> jpatrick: are you drunk? o0
[10:21] <vzduch> :D
[10:21] <MilitantPotato> oh great i removed the task bar
[10:21] <CharlieKane> How is everyone finding KDE 4.0 ?
[10:21] <MilitantPotato> jpatrick: one more time?
[10:22] <mikkael> CharlieKane: i like it very much, feels futuristic :) i will use it as my primary desktop
[10:22] <MilitantPotato> ah great, fusion-icon whited out my screen
[10:22] <MilitantPotato> MilitantPotato:
[10:22] <CharlieKane> mikkael: I like it but I'm having issues that I think I need to do bug reports for
[10:23] <jpatrick> vzduch: slow ssh connection
[10:23] <jpatrick> vzduch: slow ssh connectionnnnection
[10:23] <CharlieKane> I'm not sure how much of it is KDE 4 and how much is packaging issues
[10:23] <apparle> How to open .ppt files in linux
[10:23] <CharlieKane> apparle: OpenOffice.org
[10:24] <apparle> CharlieKane: thanks
[10:24] <CharlieKane> np
[10:24] <mikkael> CharlieKane: yes i have some issues too, for example most alt shortcuts dont work..but its so good to be able to launch kde3 apps for fixing some holes :D
[10:24] <CharlieKane> I'm having a bit of a problemo or two...
[10:24] <CharlieKane> The panel has dissappeared
[10:24] <CharlieKane> :O
[10:24] <CharlieKane> :p
[10:25] <mikkael> CharlieKane: somewhere i did read how to bring it back
[10:25] <CharlieKane> mikkael: yeah I'd like to know :p
[10:25] <intelikey> i can't seem to get an ftp server to accept a simple login
[10:25] <CharlieKane> performance isn't great... not sure if its using my graphics card properly
[10:26] <MilitantPotato> ouch, compiz-fusion didn't like something.
[10:26] <MilitantPotato> Anyway, how do I get the panel back?
[10:26] <CharlieKane> MilitantPotato: I'd like to know :p
[10:27] <mikkael> you could rename .kde4, then a new one gets created, but you will loose your previous config
[10:27] <CharlieKane> mikkael: ?
[10:27] <mikkael> or simply reload it ? its a plasmoid..
[10:28] <CharlieKane> I dunno how to do that
[10:28] <MilitantPotato> whick plasmoid?
[10:28] <MilitantPotato> top right charlie
[10:28] <MilitantPotato> the orange blob
[10:28] <mikkael> dont know the english name
[10:28] <MilitantPotato> Widget?
[10:29] <MilitantPotato> huh
[10:29] <MilitantPotato> ok i'll just delete the .kde4
[10:29] <CharlieKane> task manager ?
[10:29] <mikkael> CharlieKane: trial and error! sounds good
[10:29] <sylvain-fr> :X
[10:29] <sylvain-fr> !X
[10:30] <sylvain-fr> !Xorg
[10:30] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:30] <jpatrick> Kubuntu meeting in 30 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[10:30] <corinth> A few questions tonight. :-). First, what application is meant to control volume in KDE 4, KMix still?
[10:30] <jpatrick> corinth: kmix-kde4
[10:30] <mikkael> kmix-kde4
[10:31] <CharlieKane> Ok I thnk I've got the taskbar... only problem is its a kind of a little rounded rectangle blob with no way of manipulating it
[10:32] <intelikey> Login incorrect.
[10:32] <intelikey> Could not open host 192.168.0.6: username and/or password was not accepted for login.
[10:32] <corinth> jpatrick: I'm trying to launch that using alt-f2, but it won't launch. Maybe it's not installed?
[10:32] <mikkael> try to drag and drop it to where it should be (a new one out of the list, not the blob)
[10:32] <intelikey> why am i not able to setup a simple ftp server      something isn't right here.
[10:32] <jpatrick> corinth: probably not :)
[10:33] <corinth> jpatrick: I instaled KDE 4.0 using the instructions on the Kubuntu website. Should this have installed all the KDE 4 apps?
[10:33] <corinth> *installed
[10:33] <jpatrick> corinth: no
[10:33] <sylvain-fr> Hi
[10:34] <corinth> jpatrick: Heh, alright. Where do I get the KDE 4 apps, then?
[10:34] <corinth> Should they be in adept now?
[10:34] <jpatrick> corinth: ry installing "kde4" and you'll see they're huge
[10:34] <sylvain-fr> I am searching for help about FreeBSD, but in #freebsd chans, nobody talks (maybe because I didn't register ?)
[10:34] <CharlieKane> mikkael: nope... just makes another blob
[10:34] <jpatrick> corinth: just install kmix-kde4
[10:34] <corinth> jpatrick: You mean search for kde4 in adept?
[10:35] <mikkael> CharlieKane: try to drop it on the really bottom of your screen, if thats not working i have no idea :/
[10:35] <CharlieKane> k
[10:35] <MilitantPotato> how do you view hidden files in konq?
[10:35] <sylvain-fr> I am also searching for help about Xorg
[10:36] <fulat2k> hi folks, just added kde4 packages to my k7.10 installation.
[10:36] <fulat2k> can't seem to get back to the GUI.  any ideas?
[10:37] <sylvain-fr> Is it possible - with only one computer - to have many users, and keyboard, screen and mouse for each of them, if they are logged ?
[10:37] <jpatrick> fulat2k: sudo /etc/initi.d/kdm restart
[10:38] <jpatrick> fulat2k: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[10:38] <fulat2k> hmmm
[10:38] <MilitantPotato> sylvain-fr: yea
[10:38] <MilitantPotato> There's a linux OS floating around that does that, requires several video cards though
[10:38] <sylvain-fr> and how can I do ?
[10:38] <hola> i installed kde4 from adet in kde3.5 but when i restart the sisyem, X dont start, i had to start manuallywhith startx command
[10:39] <sylvain-fr> MilitantPotato: thank you.
[10:39] <MilitantPotato> sylvain-fr: I'm not sure the name, but there is one that does that.
[10:39] <sylvain-fr> I must have 1 graphic card for a screen ?
[10:39] <fulat2k> nothing happened
[10:39] <MilitantPotato> sylvain-fr: makes one PC seem like several, each person has their own screen and mouse/keyboard
[10:39] <MilitantPotato> sylvain-fr: I think so, yes.
[10:39] <tarsonis> hey guys *wave*
[10:39] <MilitantPotato> hey.
[10:40] <MilitantPotato> How do you view hidden files in Konqueror 4?
[10:40] <tarsonis> is the hardy heron alpha 3 usable or is it too buggy?
[10:40] <corinth> jpatrick: I entered 'sudo apt-get install kmix-kde4' in Konsole. Iit says the 'kregexpeditor  mpeglib libarts1-mpeglib kpersonnalizer' are no longer required, and that I should use apt-get autoremove to remove them. Should I do this?
[10:40] <MilitantPotato> Load a Live CD tarsonis :)
[10:40] <corinth> *It says
[10:40] <apparle> Help http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51646/
[10:40] <intelikey> unless they are connecting over a network and you want to setup a terminal server host
[10:40] <tarsonis> MilitantPotato, i want to install it :/
[10:40] <hola> help me please
[10:40] <hola> i installed kde4 from adet in kde3.5 but when i restart the sisyem, X dont start, i had to start manuallywhith startx command
[10:41] <jpatrick> corinth: probably yes
[10:41] <sylvain-fr> MilitantPotato: yes, but It's boring to use samba/nfs/cupsys/etc to share files/printers/etc
[10:42] <corinth> jpatrick: If I want to install all of the kde4 apps, how can I do this?
[10:42] <sylvain-fr> and Internet would be very faster (Ethernet is faster than wireless)
[10:42] <eekee> I'm wondering whether to recommend gutsy gibbon or dapper drake for someone new to linux
[10:43] <sylvain-fr> And I would like to do that with FreeBSD (It's wht I am searching help about it)
[10:43] <intelikey> eekee debian etch
[10:43] <mikkael> corinth: sudo apt-get install kde4
[10:43] <eekee> ha...
[10:43] <eekee> intelikey: why debian? ^^'
[10:44] <intelikey> why not.  you have to start some place.   and etch is good.
[10:44] <jpatrick> corinth: apt-get intsall kde4
[10:44] <jpatrick> corinth: apt-get install kde4
[10:44] <corinth> mikkael, jpatrick: Thanks!
[10:44] <jpatrick> damn connection...
[10:44] <sylvain-fr> If I do that, what must be different from an usual OS ? PC power, Xorg config, and that's all ?
[10:45] <MilitantPotato> ok
[10:45] <MilitantPotato> rm'd the .kde4, got the panel back
[10:45] <sylvain-fr> MilitantPotato: yes, but It's boring to use samba/nfs/cupsys/etc to share files/printers/etc
[10:45] <sylvain-fr> and Internet would be very faster (Ethernet is faster than wireless)
[10:45] <MilitantPotato> couldn't sort out how to combine applets into a pannel
[10:45] <sylvain-fr> And I would like to do that with FreeBSD (It's why I am searching help about it)
[10:46] <sylvain-fr> If I do that, what must be different from an usual OS ? PC power, Xorg config, and that's all ?
[10:46] <hola> help me, after install kde4, X dont start
[10:46] <sylvain-fr> hola: type sudo kdm
[10:46] <MilitantPotato> sylvain-fr: http://userful.com/products/ds
[10:47] <jpatrick> sylvain-fr: bad idea
[10:47] <mikubuntu> hi guys, just installed kde4-core on my ubuntu, and then installed xserver-xephr also, now i need help understanding this next recommendation from the kde.org page: To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1 then  and run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the Xerphyr xterm.
[10:47] <hola> sylvain-fr: coomand not found
[10:47] <sylvain-fr> MilitantPotato: Thank you very mush ! It seems to be exactly what I am searching
[10:47] <jpatrick> mikubuntu: do "Xephyr :1"
[10:48] <jpatrick> mikubuntu: and there type "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde"
[10:48] <sylvain-fr> hola: try : sudo startx
[10:48] <MilitantPotato> sylvain-fr: check reviews, I've no idea how good it is, I found it on stumble a few months back.
[10:48] <apparle> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51646/  Can anyone help
[10:48] <eekee> intelikey: pardon me if I take the opinion of someone I know well rather than someone I don't know at all. ;)
[10:48] <hola> sylvain-fr: now i did starx
[10:48] <jpatrick> sylvain-fr, hola: just "startx" will do it
[10:48] <mikubuntu> jpatrick: this is in my reg gnome terminal?
[10:48] <sylvain-fr> jpatrick: why isn't it a good idea ?
[10:48] <jussi01> sylvain-fr: you shouldnt use sudo when you dont need it
[10:49] <hola> sylvain-fr:  but at the boot of the system it doen not start automatically and give a lot of errors
[10:49] <fulat2k> hola: i'm facing the same problem.
[10:49] <fulat2k> it's like kdm is no longer there after i installed KDE4
[10:49] <corinth> My next question: Is there a way to resize the kde4 main panel?
[10:49] <jpatrick> fulat2k: should be
[10:49] <jpatrick> corinth: no (not yet done)
[10:49] <hola> fulat2k: so what i have to do now
[10:49] <sylvain-fr> MilitantPotato: I didn't found it because I was searching french help, maybe ;-)
[10:50]  * sylvain-fr leaves his computer for a few time
[10:50] <fulat2k> hola: still figuring it out :)
[10:50] <CharlieKane> corinth: I lost the panel completely... tried to restart a new one by adding it as a widget but all I get is a little blob
[10:50] <MilitantPotato> how do yo enable showing hidden files in the new konq?
[10:50] <MilitantPotato> you*
[10:50] <hola> fulat2k: i have to remove it?
[10:51] <fulat2k> hola: remove KDE4?
[10:51] <rothchild> MilitantPotato: Its under the 'view' menu
[10:51] <MilitantPotato> CharlieKane: rm -R /home/<USERNAME>/.kde4
[10:51] <rothchild> 'show hidden files'
[10:51] <MilitantPotato> rothchild: not here...
[10:52] <mikubuntu> jpatrick: am i supposed to do this in my regular gnome terminal, or am i supposed to have booted into kde first?
[10:52] <hola> fulat2k: im asking you that because kde 3.5 has now a problem, system menu is empty and X dont start automatilally at the kubuntu start up
[10:52] <jussi01> how does one import bookmarks correctly in the new konq? Ive tried it, but it just gives me one link to the bookmark file, not imports my bookmarks
[10:52] <MilitantPotato> rothchild: no Show Hidden Files here
[10:52] <rothchild> hmmm, I just clocked that you're asking 'new' konq so I dunno, have kubuntu crippled it again?
[10:52] <CharlieKane> MilitantPotato: ok... done that
[10:53] <MilitantPotato> rothchild: seems that way, looks like they took the worst of dolphin and added it to konq
[10:53] <MilitantPotato> CharlieKane: logout or restart X
[10:53] <MilitantPotato> then login
[10:53] <CharlieKane> MilitantPotato: ok
[10:53] <CharlieKane> brb
[10:53] <mikkael> its pretty much a vanilla kde4
[10:53] <rothchild> lol@ MilitantPotato
[10:53] <corinth> Any way to resize the kde4 application launcher?
[10:53] <mikubuntu> jpatrick: cause in the gnome terminal i get prob after i do the Xephyr :1 thing
[10:53] <MilitantPotato> this is agrivating
[10:53] <jpatrick> Kubuntu meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[10:53] <apparle> should I install KDE4
[10:54] <jpatrick> apparle: if you want
[10:54] <MilitantPotato> Viewing hidden files is sorta important
[10:54] <Jay-Oh-En> !purekde
[10:54] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[10:54] <apparle> jpatrick: What is new
[10:54] <rothchild> isn't there a keyboard shortcut like alt-H or somthing?
[10:54] <MilitantPotato> huh, I need to run synaptic from konsole, weird.
[10:54] <mikubuntu> jpatrick: please before you leave for your meeting, help! :)
[10:55] <corinth> in kmix-kde4, there doesn't seem to be a place to set a shortcut for volume increase or decrease. Where can I set those shortcuts?
[10:55] <mikubuntu> mikubuntu@ubuntu:~$ Xephyr :1
[10:55] <mikubuntu> Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 625 in ../../../../hw/kdrive/src/kinput.c
[10:55] <mikubuntu> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list!
[10:55] <CharlieKane> MilitantPotato: looks like its back to defaults but still no panel
[10:55] <hola> fulat2k: im asking you that because kde 3.5 has now a problem, system menu is empty and X dont start automatilally at the kubuntu start up
[10:56] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i pure kde by removing all the xubuntu packages?
[10:56] <MilitantPotato> CharlieKane: really? that worked for me... shame
[10:56] <MilitantPotato> hmm
[10:56] <MilitantPotato> maybe you need to restart X so it doesn't save
[10:56] <CharlieKane> I restarted x
[10:57] <MilitantPotato> so run the same command then ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:57] <MilitantPotato> ah
[10:58] <guillaume_> hi every body !!!
[10:58] <intelikey> ok this is not right.   i can login anonamusly  but not as a user    what am i not understanding about vsftpd/proftpd/ftpd  ???
[10:58] <CharlieKane> I'm at a bit of a loss
[10:58] <fdoving> intelikey: that's the default in vsftpd iirc.
[10:58] <CharlieKane> There doesn't seem to be any way of creating a folder anywhere...
[10:59] <mikkael> you can solve the problem with the password not working with: sudo passwd, then enter your password twice
[10:59] <mikkael> (for synaptic, adept, etc)
[10:59] <fdoving> intelikey: there is a 'local_enabled' directive in /etc/vsftpd.conf you must enable, to allow local users to login. and you can also set 'anonymous_enabled' to NO, if yopu don't want it.
[11:00] <intelikey> fdoving i've been through /etc/vsftpd.conf   and /etc/ftpusers   the user name is not in /etc/ftpusers and the .conf says i should be able to.   it checks the password and then fails.
[11:00] <Jay-Oh-En> what record program is on kde
[11:00] <mikkael> CharlieKane: did you try to rename the .kde4 folder in your home directory ?
[11:00] <Jay-Oh-En> so i can record voise?
[11:00] <Jay-Oh-En> voice
[11:00] <CharlieKane> mikkael: no
[11:00] <martin__> yop all :-D
[11:00] <hola> help me, after installed kde4, startx dont start automatically,
[11:00] <martin__> vous allez biieng ?
[11:00] <intelikey> fdoving i have reset the passwd a few times too.    could it be because of nosuid system ?
[11:01] <martin__> il y a du francais ou du belge ici ?
[11:01] <mikkael> CharlieKane: try that, and restart. you will have a complete default kde4
[11:01] <rothchild> martin__ | !fr
[11:01] <CharlieKane> ok
[11:01] <fdoving> intelikey: at least vsftpd isn't suid anything that i'm aware of. maybe some password-checking mechanism it uses needs some suid thing, i don't know.
[11:02] <intelikey> hmmm i'll do some more testing.
[11:02] <martin__> !re
[11:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about re - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:02] <mikkael> hola: sudo apt-get remove kde-kde4
[11:02] <martin__> !fr
[11:02] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:02] <martin__> fr
[11:02] <hola> mikkael: and after?
[11:02] <martin__> thx
[11:03] <nosrednaekim> mikkael: thats not going to work
[11:03] <mikkael> hola: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[11:05] <hola> mikkael: you are sayng to remove kde4 at all
[11:05] <_Angelus_> !flash
[11:05] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[11:05] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[11:05]  * sylvain-fr comes back
[11:05] <sylvain-fr> !Gnash
[11:05] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[11:05] <mikkael> hola: nope
[11:06] <hola> mikkael: but have i to install kd4 again after udo dpkg-reconfigure kdm ?
[11:07] <mikkael> hola: no, this will just set kdem as the login manager again
[11:07] <CharlieKane> mikkael: YAY ITS BACK
[11:07] <sylvain-fr> MilitantPotato: Do you know if http://userful.com/ is free (as in freedom :-) software ?
[11:08] <mikkael> CharlieKane: maybe only for the first start..good luck :/
[11:08] <hola> mikkael: i dont understand sorry, you said to remove kde4 before or not?
[11:08] <CharlieKane> :/
[11:08] <MilitantPotato> sylvain-fr: I think it's shareware
[11:08] <mikkael> hola: no, just remove kde-kde4 if its installed
[11:08] <mikkael> hola: sorry *kdm-kde4
[11:08] <CharlieKane> I have a question about kwin
[11:09] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: yes......
[11:10] <sylvain-fr> MilitantPotato: so, the source code isn't free ?
[11:10] <hola> mikkael: what do you thinks is happened
[11:10] <intelikey> fdoving how can i check and find out where an ftp user is trying to write to ?     the log shows the attempt to write and the non-permission problem but not the path  ?
[11:10] <CharlieKane> kwin's composite effects are not performing well and I want to make sure its using my graphics card... How do I make sure KDE4 is using it ?
[11:11] <sylvain-fr> I think it's not free,see : http://userful.com/download/eula/
[11:11] <lod_> check Xserver's config
[11:11] <mikkael> hola: i dont know, because you didnt give much information. i think you are using kdm-kde4 which is broken at the moment
[11:11] <mikkael> mikkael: but maybe theres just a simple problem with your startkde script
[11:11] <mikkael> whoops
[11:11] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: make ure its not set to Xrender
[11:11] <sylvain-fr> "Customer will not modify, disassemble or decompile the Software without Userful's prior written consent"
[11:12] <CharlieKane> nosrednaekim: ok
[11:12] <hola> mikkael: for istance, system menu dont work, it says "malformed url"
[11:12] <hola> mikkael: kmenu- system setting dont works
[11:12] <hola> mikkael: whith right mouse bottom on desktop nothing happen
[11:13] <hola> mikkael: and so on
[11:13] <mikkael> hola: kubuntu version ? what did you do to install kde4 ?
[11:13] <CharlieKane> Ive just remembered "run command" is now right-click
[11:13] <MilitantPotato> sylvain-fr: it's not free, it has a free trial (pay to use after thats over)
[11:14] <CharlieKane> :p
[11:14] <hola> kubuntun 7.10 and isttalled though http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php (removing first the previous kde4 version)
[11:15] <intelikey> anyone know how can i check and find out where an ftp user is trying to write to ?     the log for vsftpd shows the attempt to write but not the path ?
[11:15] <hola> mikkael:  kubuntun 7.10 and isttalled though http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php (removing first the previous kde4 version)
[11:16] <Orfeous> hi everyone!
[11:16] <MilitantPotato> ok, konq is working correctly now
[11:16] <MilitantPotato> installed a bunch of random stuff and i'm in buisness
[11:16] <ubuntu_> kubuntu-it
[11:16] <mikkael> hola: can you post your /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde ?
[11:16] <nosrednaekim> hi Orfeous
[11:16] <Orfeous> i upgraded some packages yesterday and some of my system packages where removed.. and now i am missing something because i dont have the system menu or like the "panel" with the clock in the bottom right corner
[11:16] <Orfeous> what to install?
[11:17] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: Kde3?
[11:17] <Orfeous> yes
[11:17] <CharlieKane> nosrednaekim: I dont see any mention of Xrender anywhere in my xorg.conf
[11:17] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: do "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[11:17] <MilitantPotato> wow kwin is slow
[11:18] <hola> mikkael: it too long, i dont know how to past and paste in potebin
[11:18] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: I'm talking about in the config GUI
[11:18] <mikkael> "paste
[11:18] <CharlieKane> MilitantPotato: I'm having the same problem when composite effects are on
[11:18] <nosrednaekim> MilitantPotato: how so?
[11:18] <mikkael> !paste
[11:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:18] <corinth> Wow, Kopete KDE 4 is pretty nice.
[11:18] <CharlieKane> nosrednaekim: oooooh
[11:18] <CharlieKane> nosrednaekim: my bad
[11:18] <MilitantPotato> I clicked logout, the screen fade was slow and very jerky
[11:19] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: allready installed
[11:19] <hola> mikkael: the file is too long
[11:19] <Orfeous> i can take a screenshot
[11:19] <CharlieKane> I must say I like the default widget style and windeco's
[11:19] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: sure
[11:19] <mikkael> hola: just the beginning
[11:20] <CharlieKane> nosrednaekim: direct render via opengl
[11:20] <freqmod_nx> Is there a kdelibs dev packacge for kde4?
[11:20] <Rum0> Orfeous: you could also temporarily move .kde somewhere else - then the default kde-settings will be used again
[11:20] <MilitantPotato> wow
[11:20] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: ok, and compiz works fine for you?
[11:20] <MilitantPotato> enabled effects and everything turned into a light show
[11:20] <Orfeous> i cant understand what package that are missing.. frustrating.. :)
[11:21] <CharlieKane> MilitantPotato: well it would except that it seems to be broken in kubuntu 7.10
[11:21] <Orfeous> i have no kind of taskbar either
[11:21] <Orfeous> when i minimize apps i must use ALT-TAB to reach them
[11:21] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: but the panel is down there?
[11:21] <CharlieKane> MilitantPotato: compiz fusion "works" as far as performance goes, only I lose windeco's (which is quite annoying)
[11:22] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: do you have an nvidia?
[11:22] <MilitantPotato> ah the paint deal was doing the color show
[11:22] <CharlieKane> nosrednaekim: yes compiz works fine, even brilliant (not including dissappearing windeco's)
[11:22] <MilitantPotato> CharlieKane: tried emerald?
[11:22] <CharlieKane> MilitantPotato: yes
[11:22] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: the panel with the icons that are to the right off where the system buttom should be placed
[11:22] <CharlieKane> nosrednaekim: yes a geforce6200
[11:23] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: you may need to add the ARGBGLXVisuals line to your xorg then.
[11:23] <CharlieKane> nosrednaekim: its there
[11:23] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: oh.. ok
[11:23] <CharlieKane> Option		"AddARGBGLXVisuals"	"True"
[11:23] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: Âhttp:/umea3.mine.nu/~anton/bilder/skarm6.png
[11:24] <Rum0> nosrednaekim: composite in kde4 is also very slow for me - i have an intel 915 gm which works flawlessly with compiz
[11:24] <CharlieKane> Rum0: yes I am also trying to see if I can find out why it is not working too well here
[11:24] <nosrednaekim> Rum0: Intel chips work better with Xrender
[11:25] <corinth> Kontact didn't get updated for KDE 4?
[11:25] <Rum0> nosrednaekim: ah, thanks I'll try that
[11:25] <sourcemaker> how can I add a group to my user?
[11:25] <CharlieKane> *makes note that intel chips work better with xrender*
[11:25] <ntweat> hi
[11:25] <CharlieKane> hi
[11:25] <mikubuntu> ok, guys.  i managed to get kde session running, but couldn't get konqueror to connect to any websites.  tried to get into network settings, but it would not accept my password as root.  what gives?
[11:26] <nosrednaekim> sourcemaker: add yourself to the croup in /etc/group
[11:26] <Orfeous> sourcemaker: sudo adduser "user" "newgroup"
[11:26] <corinth> mikubuntu: Not the first time I've heard this problem today.
[11:26] <ntweat> any 1 knws how to install kde 4?
[11:26] <CharlieKane> ntweat: yes
[11:26] <ntweat> hi charlie
[11:26] <CharlieKane> hi
[11:26] <nosrednaekim> ntweat: read the topic
[11:26] <corinth> ntweat: Check on kubuntu.org
[11:26] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: watch picutre
[11:26] <Orfeous> picture
[11:27] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: KDE4?
[11:27] <mikubuntu> ya, just downloaded it
[11:27] <ntweat> ya.. but its unable to connect to ppa.launchpad
[11:27] <Emof> How do I set up KDE so that I change desktops when the mousepointer goes to the edge of the current desktop?
[11:27] <Rum0> has someone else the no-wallpaper-after-login bug? (just a white desktop)
[11:27] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: still loading
[11:27] <Emof> Rum0: yes
[11:28] <ntweat> Rum0 i get a blue desktop
[11:28] <CharlieKane> ntweat: you using adept ?
[11:28] <Emof> and everything is really slow
[11:28] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: admin apps can not just be run, you have to run them with "kdesudo appname" or create a root password
[11:28] <ntweat> ya charlie
[11:28] <dhq> how do i update to kde4
[11:28] <Emof> like present desktop etc
[11:28] <mikubuntu> if this is a bug, then i spose it will get fixed shortly, so my next question is, will i get kde updates while running gnome sessions?
[11:28] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: yes, you will
[11:28] <CharlieKane> I get the white desktop for a moment before the wallpaper comes up
[11:29] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: slow peering maybe?
[11:29] <corinth> I thought that dolphin was going to be the file manager for kde 4?
[11:29] <sigma_1234> !kde4
[11:29] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ and support in #kubuntu
[11:29] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: and its not really a bug, its more that kdesu doesn't work well with sudo
[11:29] <CharlieKane> corinth: it is
[11:29] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: dial up :)
[11:29] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: ah.. i see..
[11:29] <corinth> CharlieKane: Then how come opening links to my folders from the Computer tab of the application launcher opens them in Konqueror?
[11:29] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: ok, can you right click on that panel and add applets?
[11:30] <dhq> is there a cd in which kubuntu comes with kde4
[11:30] <mikubuntu> rosrednaekim: i think that i have root password set ... i use it all the time on ubuntu; what would i have to do to set a root on kde?  is it a seperate root from my gnome root?
[11:30] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: no... its not.. you enabled the root user? are you sure you don't mean "sudo"?
[11:30] <CharlieKane> corinth: I dunno... It opens Dolphin for me... though if I double click on a folder widget I have on my desktop it opens in Konqueror...
[11:31] <Edulix> hi
[11:31] <CharlieKane> hi
[11:31] <XadVio> whats up
[11:31] <Edulix> hey, which was the name of this program that would beautify the code (indentation etc)?
[11:31] <Emof> How do I set up KDE so that I change desktops when the mousepointer goes to the edge of the current desktop?
[11:31] <mikubuntu> nosrednaekim: well, i guess sudo, i always have to preface commands with sudo in gnome
[11:31] <sigma_1234> theres a kde4 live cd on the kubuntu site
[11:31] <nosrednaekim> Emof: I did it... its somewhere in the settings ;)
[11:31] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: yes
[11:31] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: ah ok, thats different from an actual root user
[11:32] <mikubuntu> nosrednaekim: so how to set up root?
[11:32] <Emof> I've searched everywhere...
[11:32] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: add back a kmenu and taskbar
[11:32] <nosrednaekim> Emof: let me look
[11:32] <mikubuntu> will it be global if i set it in gnome and it will work then on the kde?
[11:32] <Jack111> hi
[11:33] <ere4si> mikubuntu, type in konsole   sudo passwd
[11:33] <lod_> sudo passwd root
[11:33] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: how can they be lost?
[11:33] <nosrednaekim> Emof: right click on window decoration-configure windows behavior->advanced->active desktop borders
[11:33] <mikubuntu> ere4si: but i don't have konsole right now, cuz i logged out of kde back into gnome, so is my gnome terminal ok?
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: don't know.... but its not permanant;)
[11:34] <corinth> How do I set Dolphin to be the default file manager, because it seems it is not.
[11:34] <Jack111> i have got the problem that i dont have the pause, volume etc buttons, when i use the live stream function in opera, firefox, etc, using the helixplayer.its somehow connected that scripptable plugins are not allowed?
[11:34] <lod_> yes
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> mikyeah... thats fine
[11:34] <ere4si> mikubuntu, yep
[11:34] <mikubuntu> ok, i start it
[11:34] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: i cant add a "Kmenu" it doesnt exist in the list..
[11:34] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: i can add an "external taskbar" not that one that goes into the "main panel"
[11:34] <andrew__> anyone know the name of the program that is "search for files" in normal ubuntu, but doesn't exist in kubuntu?
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: 0.o
[11:35] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: tracker?
[11:35] <mikubuntu> so i type in 'sudo password root'?
[11:35] <Emof> nosrednaekim: ah, thanks :)
[11:35] <Orfeous> mikubuntu: sudo passwd root
[11:35] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: just "sudo passwd root"
[11:35] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: so what to do=
[11:36] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: i'm in kde4 soi'm not sure what the menu is called...
[11:36] <mikubuntu> is it ok if i used the same password as my sudo password?
[11:36] <CharlieKane> kwin crashes whenever I choose 'texture from pixmap' + 'trilinear' in opengl options
[11:36] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: yes
[11:36] <Rum0> Orfeous: the easiest thing would to logout of your kde-session, ctrl-alt-F1 to get a terminal, login and 'mv .kde to kde_old' to get back to kde's defaults
[11:36] <Rum0> Lr
[11:37] <CharlieKane> except that time... accepts it now
[11:37] <andrew__> nosrednaekim: hmm, i think tracker is different, i'm talking about the program that comes up when i go to "search for files" in the gnome menu in ubuntu, it says that it is just a graphical front end that uses the find command along with grep and something else to search for files, ie it isn't an indexing program
[11:37] <Rum0> Orfeous: then start kde again
[11:37] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: oh... then I don't know.
[11:37] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: i have tried to add all that stuff in the panel menu without a good result.
[11:37] <andrew__> k
[11:37] <Orfeous> Rum0: i think there are packages missing
[11:37] <mikubuntu> so now if i go back to the kde desktop that password should work i hope ...  will i be able to access apps like google earth that i have on my gnome desktop from kde?
[11:38] <Orfeous> there where removed many packages yesterday :D
[11:38] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: yes
[11:38] <Rum0> Orfeous: I thought he installed kubuntu-desktop again?
[11:38] <Rum0> he=you
[11:38] <Orfeous> Rum0: i did
[11:38] <CharlieKane> kwin is pretty slow at resizing windows
[11:38] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: remove kubuntu-desktop and then reinstall it
[11:38] <mikubuntu> i always hear people say NOT to do anything in ROOT, so why does kde force me to use root?
[11:39] <mikubuntu> is it dangerous?
[11:39] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: no more so than sudo
[11:39] <Orfeous> mikubuntu: its safest to sudo root
[11:39] <CharlieKane> mikubuntu: yes, it will blow up your dog ;)
[11:39] <mikubuntu> that poor dog.
[11:39] <CharlieKane> :p
[11:39] <mikubuntu> he's been thru a lot
[11:40] <CharlieKane> oh... now I made myself feel bad
[11:40] <Orfeous> be back soon!
[11:40] <mikubuntu> ok, well i'm gonna lose you guys while i go start up kde.  thanks for the help, i'm sure i'll be back.
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: k
[11:41] <CharlieKane> ok
[11:41] <mikubuntu> as you were
[11:41] <mikubuntu> lol
[11:41]  * CharlieKane relaxes
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> :)
[11:42] <sigma_1234> nosrednaekim: hows kde4 treating you?
[11:42] <nosrednaekim> sigma_1234: amazing... 4.0 is awesome :)
[11:42] <MilitantPotato> Where's the kdm-kde4 logs?
[11:43] <sigma_1234> perhaps il get the live cd
[11:43] <MilitantPotato> I can't use it as a Display manager, it has an error at login and says check the logs
[11:43] <nosrednaekim> MilitantPotato: don't use kdm-kde4
[11:43] <MilitantPotato> Ah :)
[11:43] <MilitantPotato> glad I remembered how to switch back, i'd of been SOL.
[11:43] <sigma_1234> the screenshots ive seen look pretty good
[11:44] <nosrednaekim> yeah we should have a "eats your children" warning on kdm-kde4
[11:45] <nosrednaekim> sigma_1234: its beautiful :)
[11:45] <Aranel> I'm installing KDE4. Will I need other packages ? KDEPIM etc ?
[11:45] <nosrednaekim> Aranel: you don't NEED anything other than kde4-core
[11:45] <Aranel> nosrednaekim: thanks :)
[11:45] <CharlieKane> Aranel: keep it simple ;)
[11:46] <nosrednaekim> Aranel: and don't install kde4-pim, its a bit old and doesn't work well with 4.0 I have heard
[11:46] <hola> when ked 3,5 starts, no icon on desktop and malformed url erorr appears
[11:47] <CharlieKane> resizing windows is still terribly slow... anyone know anything about that ?
[11:47] <Aranel> nosrednaekim: ok, i m installing 'only' kde4-core.
[11:48] <nosrednaekim> Aranel: feel free to install other kde4 programs,but ake sure the version # is 4.0not 3.98, 3.97, etc
[11:48] <intelikey> i found my "issue" with ftp servers    ((The user must have a standard shell returned by getusershell(3).))
[11:48] <hola> help me, my desktop does not work properly
[11:48] <Aranel> nosrednaekim: other ? amarok2 etc ?
[11:49] <intelikey> and $HOME/.false   probably doesn't qualify as a standard shell
[11:49] <nosrednaekim> Aranel: Kopete4, Jok
[11:49] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: :)
[11:49] <nosrednaekim> *Juk
[11:49] <nosrednaekim> Aranel: amarok 2 isn't packages yet
[11:50] <Aranel> nosrednaekim: ok, thanks :)
[11:50] <hola> help me, my kubuntu 7.10 after kde4 install does not work properly
[11:50] <CharlieKane> Amarok2 > Juk (flame on) ;)
[11:50] <CharlieKane> sup hola
[11:50] <edgy> Hi, I want to install kde4 and the announcement page says to install kde4-core, is this really enough?
[11:51] <CharlieKane> edgy: yes
[11:51] <hola> CharlieKane: sorry?
[11:51] <nosrednaekim> edgy: yep
[11:51] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: you are absolutely correct :)
[11:51] <CharlieKane> hola: whats going wrong for you ?
[11:51] <edgy> CharlieKane: what about the other kde4 packages for multimedia, games, edu, ...?
[11:51] <nosrednaekim> edgy: you can add those if you want.
[11:51] <nosrednaekim> edgy: though make sure they have 4.0 in their version #
[11:51] <CharlieKane> edgy: I got games with kde4-core
[11:52] <edgy> nosrednaekim: yes this exactly my problem the version says 3.94
[11:52] <CharlieKane> edgy: oh sorry my bad.. I didnt
[11:52] <edgy> CharlieKane: strange! I would try it
[11:53] <nosrednaekim> edgy: thats the one from the official repository, you need to add the PPA
[11:53] <CharlieKane> I have played the new battleship though
[11:53] <sourcemaker> I have just started the new kde4 live cd... really unstable and unusable... seems to be more a alpha version... and not a stable release... :-)
[11:53] <fdoving> intelikey: you can add shells to /etc/shells you know. :)
[11:53] <edgy> ok let me logout and try it and come here to complain then
[11:53] <hola> CharlieKane: on desktop there are not the icons/file i had before, the mouse buttoms dont works and when x finish to load, an error show that malformed URL
[11:54] <CharlieKane> hola: On kde4 ?
[11:54] <intelikey> fdoving yeah working on it.   first i tested with /bin/bash to confirm that that was the reason.   "it is."
[11:54] <hola> CharlieKane: no, kde3
[11:54] <CharlieKane> oh i c
[11:55] <CharlieKane> hola: tried ctrl+alt+backspace then log back in ?
[11:56] <Aranel> i'm installed kde4, and i have kde3.5 too. How can I use them ?
[11:56] <Aranel> them together*
[11:56] <nosrednaekim> Aranel: log out and select KDE 4 from the session menu
[11:56] <august_> witch program do i use to open tar.gz files?
[11:56] <Aranel> nosrednaekim: ok :)
[11:57] <nosrednaekim> august_: ark
[11:57] <august_> thx
[11:57] <ere4si> august: right click them
[11:57] <CharlieKane> some things seem really slow on my desktop
[11:58] <intelikey> one must admit though  that a shell of  /usr/****/****/.true    does look a bit odd in the /etc/shells and /etc/passwd files
[11:59] <hola> CharlieKane: with ctrl+alt+backspace nothing happened
[12:00] <rinaldi_> hi just got kde4. went ok for a bit but then all of a sudden the clock/ desktop switcher/device notifier etc has moved across the desktop bar towards the K menu button. now i can't see any tabs for windows along the taskbar. how can i get it back?
[12:00] <CharlieKane> hola: is your keyboard working ? lights on etc ?
[12:00] <CharlieKane> hola: oh nevermind :p
[12:00] <CharlieKane> D'oh !
[12:00] <hola> CharlieKane: of course, im writting you
[12:01] <CharlieKane> hola: yes :p
[12:02] <nosrednaekim> rinaldi_: delete the ".kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc"
[12:02] <hola> CharlieKane: are you still there
[12:02] <nosrednaekim> and then do "control+alt+backspace (if you are in kde4 still)
[12:02] <CharlieKane> hola: hmm not sure whats happening for you
[12:03] <Orfeous> still missing the taskbar and system menÃu
[12:03] <Orfeous> reinstalled kubuntu-desktop
[12:04] <gladier> whats the command to disassemble a rpm ... not convert it to a deb .. but extract it
[12:04] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: try starting over with a new kdehome... run "mv .kde .kde-backup"
[12:04] <CharlieKane> hola: if you check Desktop in your home folder, is everything still there that's supposed to be ?
[12:05] <nosrednaekim> hola: yeah! I had that problem!
[12:05] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: and then?
[12:05] <Agent_bob> gladier i think they are tar archives
[12:05] <nosrednaekim> hola: but I didn't even try to fix it, I like kde4 :)
[12:05] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: log out and then back in again
[12:05] <Orfeous> ok..-
[12:05] <Orfeous> see you..
[12:05] <august_> when i download the flash uppdate (tar.gz) i extract it and two files come upp. one is a shell script called "flashplayerinstaler" and the other one is a shared library called "libflashplayer.so". when i click at either of them i get the open with message... what program should i use?
[12:06] <nosrednaekim> !flash | august_
[12:06] <ubotu> august_: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[12:06] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[12:06] <august_> thx
[12:06] <nosrednaekim> august_: you have to copy the .so somewhere which should be in that second link
[12:07] <CharlieKane> Is anyone else having issues with kwin slowness ?
[12:07] <CharlieKane> wb hola
[12:07] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: nope... its pretty fsat for me besides the resizing
[12:08] <august_> what?
[12:08] <hola> CharlieKane: what is malform url
[12:08] <nosrednaekim> august_: just read the second link ;)
[12:08] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: its back now.. but with disguisting order :)
[12:08] <august_> ok
[12:08] <hola> if i open System menu, it is whown empy
[12:08] <Sergi1> hello
[12:08] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: is it possible to use my configs
[12:08] <CharlieKane> nosrednaekim: I'm finding resizing really slow, and scrolling, and widget manipulation... which makes me think this can't be right
[12:08] <Sergi1> can anyone tell me, how to connect to network on kde4?
[12:08] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: yeah, but the problem is that we don't know which one was messing it up
[12:09] <Sergi1> i didn't find any gui app to do this
[12:09] <nosrednaekim> Sergi1: you can use knetworkmanager
[12:09] <CharlieKane> hola: it means a url address is wrong... is konqueror or another web browser starting when you start kde ?
[12:09] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: isnt it possible to solve that?
[12:09] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: turn off desktopeffects
[12:09] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: yeah... i'm looking
[12:09] <hola> CharlieKane: no
[12:09] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: thank you :)
[12:10] <hola> CharlieKane: for istantece, also run command does not work
[12:10] <CharlieKane> hola: ok
[12:10] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: aha!! i have no "ktaskbarrc" for example in my backup
[12:10] <Orfeous> many configs isnt there..
[12:11] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: ok, run "rm -rf .kde" then "mv .kde-backup .kde" then run "rm -rf .kde/share/apps/kicker"
[12:11] <Agent_bob> i knew that it should NOT be that hard to setup a simple ftp server.   using non-standard shells (non-standard everything really) sure makes some things,...   tricky ?
[12:11] <CharlieKane> What I mean is it should be fast with desktop effects turned on... I just turned them off and that screwed up my desktop
[12:11] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: yeah... well as you can see it needs plenty of love :)
[12:12] <CharlieKane> oh this really isnt good...
[12:12] <Agent_bob> Sergi1 use the old app that you "used to use"
[12:12] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: just stick with kde3 or gnome or whatever if kde4 doesn't work for you now.
[12:12] <CharlieKane> now i can see the background for my log in
[12:12] <nosrednaekim> CharlieKane: are you using kdm-kde4?
[12:12] <hola> CharlieKane: library file for "kcm_media.la" not found in path
[12:12] <Orfeous> nosrednaekim: .kde cant be removed...
[12:13] <rinaldi_> hi, i tried deleting .kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc
[12:13] <Orfeous> hmm.. im going out for a little while.. back about ~60min.. continue then
[12:13] <CharlieKane> well I've got artifacts all over now, and redraws failing all over the place
[12:13] <Orfeous> thanks for now
[12:13] <CharlieKane> my desktop just became pretty unusable
[12:13] <nosrednaekim> Orfeous: I'm going to be gone then
[12:13] <rinaldi_> but im still having problems with the taskbar
[12:13] <crazy_bus> I was downloading the kde4 livecd and had almost got it when the file started from the beginning and said  ''eof received from server'' in the log.  My internet is relatively slow.  Will I have to download it again?
[12:13] <Orfeous> rinaldi_: same problem here but with KDE 3 :P
[12:13] <nosrednaekim> rinaldi_: ok...
[12:13] <nosrednaekim> crazy_bus:  yes :(
[12:13] <Agent_bob> ok now to hit a security site and see how many holes i just made...
[12:13] <CharlieKane> hola: ok
[12:14] <crazy_bus> why would it have done it.  Will it do it again?
[12:14] <Agent_bob> anyone have a favorite security site ?
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> crazy_bus: no idea.
[12:14] <Rum0> crazy_bus: use ktorrent ;-)
[12:14] <rinaldi_> i deleted using dolphin and the file ahs just appeared again after logging in again. should i need sudo access to delete it?
[12:14] <CharlieKane> hola: ask nosrednaekim :p
[12:14] <crazy_bus> is there a torrent for kde4?
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> what? no... i'm leaving :)
[12:14] <Rum0> there should be
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> (I seriously am, got things to do)
[12:15] <hola> please help me
[12:15] <crazy_bus> I can't see one? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/
[12:15] <nosrednaekim> hola erase your .kde (after making a backup of course)
[12:16] <hola> nosrednaekim: in order to solve my prblem is enought to reemove .kde directory?
[12:16] <trophyhead> hi all : )  any midi music brainz in da house?
[12:16] <Rum0> crazy_bus: yeah sorry, you're right, there only torrents for the install-cds
[12:17] <crazy_bus> do you think the download will restart itself again if I try and download it?
[12:17] <CharlieKane> hola: try renaming it to something like .kde-backup
[12:18] <hola> CharlieKane: cannot open `.kde/share/config/adept_managerrc' for reading: Permission deni                                                             ed
[12:19] <CharlieKane> hola: can you rename .kde to something else ?
[12:19] <Aranel> hey, how can I change my task manager align to top ?
[12:19] <Dyus> any idea as to why i get random segmentation faults with gtk programs in kde?
[12:20] <Ash-Fox> CharlieKane mv .kde something\ else
[12:20] <CharlieKane> Ash-Fox: trying to hlep hola
[12:21] <CharlieKane> Ash-Fox: his kde3 is screwed up after installing kde4
[12:21] <Ash-Fox> Shouldn't KDE4 be using .kde4 ?
[12:22]  * Ash-Fox needs to check what is done in Kubuntu now, used too many distros.
[12:22] <fdoving> Ash-Fox: as long as $KDEHOME isn't set, i think it should.
[12:22] <CharlieKane> Ash-Fox: yes kde4 uses .kde4
[12:22] <konrad> What's the command if I want to use aptitude to upgrade a single application and not all applications on the system?
[12:22] <trophyhead> I'd like to know if any use a music keyboard with kubuntu sampleing software? plz don't suggest a program unless you do use it sucessfully! thx :)
[12:23] <eml> I have a weird instance of mplayer running on something ktorrent is downloading. Has anyone encountered such a problem before? I cannot kill it.
[12:23] <rinaldi_> i can't see any tabs for windows on the taskbar now in kde4 and the clock/desktop switcher etc is next to the Kmenu... i tried deleting plasma-appletsrc but nothing..
[12:23] <MichaelSammels> OK. When I boot Kubuntu "MP-BIOS bug 8254: timer not connected to IO-APIC"
[12:23] <MichaelSammels> *I then use noapic*
[12:23] <MichaelSammels> No errors appear but during splash I get kicked to BusyBox Shell.
[12:26] <gukk_devel>  KGpg: waiting for lock (held by 9069 - probably dead). What does this mean?
[12:27] <ntweat_>  can any 1 tell me the best dc++ client for linux??
[12:28] <MichaelSammels> ntweat_ try Kdevelop
[12:28] <MichaelSammels> Any ideas on my probs?
[12:29] <emilsedgh> gukk_devel: i think it means that a process with id 9060 is locked something, kill that process and try again
[12:30] <mikubuntu> oh, well, kind of depressing to spend so much time and not be able to make it work.  could not get kde to connect to wireless.  i was worried it would affect my ubuntu connection, but aside from the dlink 'stair' icon missing now, i did get right back into my connection.  maybe it's something that will get corrected with updates.  i like my ubuntu, don't really 'need' kubuntu, but i like...
[12:30] <mikubuntu> ...learning the variations from one to the other, so kind of a bummer to hit a wall so soon...
[12:31] <Sergi1> hey, the command knetworkmanager isn't in kde4 with kubuntu
[12:31] <mikubuntu> anybody else having connection probs with kde4?
[12:31] <gukk_devel> emilsedgh: no process with this id
[12:31] <emilsedgh> gukk_devel: so i was wrong :D
[12:32] <trophyhead> is kde4 the new one in hardy heron?
[12:32] <MilitantPotato> anyone else having desktop refresh problems?
[12:32] <mikubuntu> kde4 is latest release from kde.org out since yesterday
[12:33] <Lynoure> mikubuntu: Are you keeping track of the problems? :)
[12:33] <mikubuntu> it will carry into hardy herron according to website
[12:33] <llutz> kde4.0 wasn't made to be used in production.systems, its for developpers and testers, so what do you expect?
[12:34] <hola> when kde start startx, an error is appers "malformed URL and nothing is on the desktop
[12:34] <Lynoure> mikubuntu: mine are not significant, so far, but ever since installing kde4.0, some of the kde3.5.8 mechanisms launch kde4 stuff by default, which is annoying
[12:35] <mikubuntu> lynoure: guess i'll have to watch updates, cause i can't get *anything to work right on it yet
[12:35] <trophyhead> oh so its not quite stable tho?, can it be installed if im currently using (gutsy-gibbion) or maybe I shouldn't you seem to be having quite some trouble with it, : (
[12:36] <fernando> hi, how can I make that different programs use the soundcard at the same time..??
[12:36] <zsz> does kubuntu live dvd have memtest on it?
[12:36] <fernando> for example If I use skype and I want to put some music..I can't
[12:37] <hola> dolphin said malformed URL onsystem menu, trash, media device
[12:38] <trophyhead> hmmm  if I bang my head against the moniter will kubuntu finally do what i wish?
[12:38] <Lynoure> trophyhead: what are you wishing for?
[12:39] <trophyhead> haha, well like 3 things to work properly
[12:39] <Sergi1> how to run in kubuntu commands with administrator rights?
[12:40] <fernando> Sergi1-> sudo command
[12:40] <Lynoure> trophyhead: just liku kubuntu,  I cannot read your mind either, so what 3 things?
[12:40] <Lynoure> s/liku/like/
[12:40] <Sergi1> hm, in kubuntu kde4 final relise the sudo command doesn't exists..
[12:40] <Sergi1> and knetworkmanager too
[12:41] <trophyhead> to play&burn dvd.s....to take tv time & rosegarden from another disk (mandriva) cause at least I know they work on them,
[12:41] <Lynoure> Sergi1: it's not kde final release, it's just the first release. kdepim does not exist either, yet
[12:42] <fernando> sergi1, that open adept manager and install the sudo package..thats all
[12:42] <fernando> serge1, and when you are there..install also de knetworkmanager..
[12:43] <wilsby> hi
[12:43] <Lynoure> trophyhead: How did rosegarden not work for you in kubuntu?
[12:43] <Lynoure> !dvd
[12:43] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[12:43] <fernando> Lynoure: do you know how to make run kubuntu with a better sound mixed ?? because I can't make two programs using the soundcard at the same time..
[12:43] <wilsby> I have been thinking about trying out kubuntu and switching distros.
[12:43] <trophyhead> but im by far no computer brain so all I can do if a program dosen't work after a little fiddleing around is, don't use it find something else : )
[12:43] <wilsby> I have a few questions though.
[12:43] <MilitantPotato> Why does nothing launched from the K menu accept a password?
[12:43] <Sergi1> thanks
[12:44] <trophyhead> oh rosegarden...
[12:44] <wilsby> with kubuntu, do I compile my own kernel or is everthing already setup for me?
[12:44] <Sergi1> but to the network i need to configure manualy
[12:44] <Lynoure> fernando: sorry, haven't looked at that lately, as I do not do heavy-duty sound stuff, it's enough for me that my beeps blend with my amarok tunes
[12:44] <trophyhead> said my version of kernal was not the right timeing or maybe not up to date>?
[12:45] <hola> dolphin said malformed URL onsystem menu, trash, media device
[12:45] <sub[t]rnl> wilsby➜ everything is setup, there is no need to compile your own
[12:45] <MilitantPotato> Why does nothing launched from the K menu accept a password?
[12:45] <fernando> Lynoure: I am using skype, and I can't make run amarok at the same time..thats my problem :p anyway thanks..
[12:47] <sigma_1234> fernando: are you on kde3 or kde4?
[12:47] <Lynoure> fernando: I can have amarok playing when skype is running, have not tried a call yet
[12:48] <trophyhead> anyhoo if rosegarden's just a sequencer, I'll just use audacity & hydrogen, they seem to work perfectly for me, : )
[12:48] <wilsby> is ubuntu suitable for servers?
[12:48] <Lynoure> wilsby: yes, there is a server edition
[12:48] <sigma_1234> ubuntu server edition is i suppose
[12:48] <wilsby> and is it possible to do a network installation?
[12:48] <wilsby> ok
[12:49] <sigma_1234> if it wasnt id be worried:)
[12:49] <steinerhippo> hi @all. i have a problem, when i edit a icon in kcontrol for a mime type, pdf in special, it only is set until a reboot, can anybody help me to make this for ever?
[12:49] <wilsby> thanks sigma
[12:50] <wilsby> I'm going to try out kubuntu over the weekend ;-)
[12:50] <wilsby> <= disgrunted gentoo user
[12:51] <Lynoure> fernando: seems work fine for me, even for calls. But sound is fickle, still, I'm fighting with my mother's pc forgetting it's sound settings after the first skype call. It's weird.
[12:52] <sigma_1234> it would probably help if skype wasnt closed source
[12:52] <sigma_1234> anyone tried kde4.0.0 on the eeepc here?
[12:53] <sigma_1234> oh does anyone here have a dell d600?
[12:53] <steinerhippo> hi @all. i have a problem, when i edit a icon in kcontrol for a mime type, pdf in special, it only is set until a reboot, can anybody help me to make this for ever?
[12:54] <sigma_1234> !patience
[12:54] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:54] <nick_name> steinerhippo: did u try right-click/properties tht way ??
[12:55] <steinerhippo> @ nick_name: there is the right one shown, does it mean, that only dolphin and konqueror show a false icon?
[12:56] <trophyhead> <---was amazed by going from (fiesty) kubuntu to (gutsy) it gave me an option to install a program to excellerate my older nvida card, now I can play fast paced 1st person shooter games! woohoo!, I always thought my 2gig puter was too slow to do this : )
[12:56] <nick_name> steinerhippo: could be ... i'm not very sure though ...
[12:56] <nick_name> steinerhippo: but if i have to change icons for any files ... i follow the right.click/properties way ...
[12:56] <steinerhippo> nick_name: because there is a netscape icon instead of a pdf icon, so i changed it, and it is only til a restart, ok thx, i'll try it
[12:57] <nick_name> steinerhippo: same goes, if i have to change file association ... say, i want to open video files always with SMPLAYER
[12:57] <steinerhippo> nick_name: thx
[12:57] <nick_name> steinerhippo: or image files always with kwickshow
[12:57] <nick_name> steinerhippo: pleasure ... not sure if it's gonna solve ur problem though
[12:58] <steinerhippo> nick_name: i'll try it, more than the netscape icon can't be :D
[12:58] <trophyhead> I highly reccomed (gutsy) to those who haven't tried it , well at least till around april, I can't wait for the newer version! (hardy-heron),
[12:58] <nick_name> steinerhippo: for video file, i removed netscape completely ... it was annoying ...
[12:59] <steinerhippo> nick_name: i use vlc for vids
[12:59] <neville> how do i completely remove flash, as in, completely and utterly wipe it out?
[12:59] <nick_name> steinerhippo: kool ... i use a combination of xine+mplayer
[13:00] <nick_name> steinerhippo: wht do u use for online videos, like movie trailers at apple.com ??
[13:00] <nick_name> neville: wht do u mean remove ??
[13:00] <steinerhippo> nick_name: i also sometimes use mplayer, do you mean the flash movies, also like on youtube? the flash plugin, but it's not good, it sometimes hangs up and i have to kill my firefox
[13:01] <nick_name> steinerhippo: nope ... quicktime videos , wmv videos ... embedded in the webpage
[13:01] <nick_name> neville: dpkg -l | grep flash
[13:01] <steinerhippo> nick_name: also vlc
[13:01] <PolitikerALT> Hi, I got a weird problem with knetworkmanager: after some time, it does not work any longer
[13:01] <nick_name> neville: this gives me ... flashplugin-nonfree
[13:01] <zipper> uuuh, updates for kde in the repos.... Does that mean we'll get kde4 soon? =)
[13:01] <neville> well, the installation botched itself, and when i remove it, it says it's gone, but then reinstalling it just puts a grayed out square where the flash player should be used in web pages
[13:01] <PolitikerALT> I still displays It was (is) connected, but in fact it isn't
[13:01] <sigma_1234> nope
[13:01] <nick_name> neville: so, the next step would be "sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree "
[13:02] <PolitikerALT> because no connection can be etablished any longer
[13:02] <sigma_1234> zipper: no
[13:02] <zipper> sigma_1234, =/
[13:02] <sigma_1234> its just for testing now
[13:03] <sigma_1234> why not download the livecd?
[13:03] <NielsE> on kde4, my Katapult seems to be broken, yesterday it worked fine, but now it doesnt pop up anymore, any suggestions?
[13:03] <zipper> figured there would be a testing period..... just hope it isn't as long as debian =)
[13:03] <nick_name> sigma_1234: sorry to poke my nose in , ru guys talking about kde4 live cd ??
[13:03] <neville> okay, done
[13:03] <zipper> sigma_1234, it's tempting, but i think i'll wait for now
[13:05] <trophyhead> umm is kde4 the new desktop for kubuntu's (hardy-heron) to come out sometime in april?
[13:05] <Lynoure> trophyhead: no, just one of the two choices
[13:05] <sigma_1234> nick_name: yeah we are. why?
[13:05] <zipper> I use a usb keyboard (logitech ultra-x). When the grub menu pops up, my keyboard is disabled, cannot select entries in the menu, num lock doesnt work ect.... how to fix?
[13:05] <trophyhead> oh ok thx lyn
[13:06] <sigma_1234> zipper: can you get into bios with it?
[13:06] <zipper> sigma_1234, yes
[13:06] <nick_name> sigma_1234: i ws just wondering if anyone tried it ... i tried the last rc ... it was'nt very stable ...
[13:06] <zipper> nick_name, thats rc's for you =)... my guess is that its much more stable now
[13:06] <nick_name> sigma_1234: it looked awesome for sure ... bt, responsiveness of the applications were terrible
[13:07] <sigma_1234> zipper: theres a setting in bios saying that you are using a usb keyboard that needs to be set
[13:07] <nick_name> zipper: u mean the latest stable kde4 live cd ??
[13:07] <zipper> sigma_1234, but since i can get into bios with it, it should be already enabled no?
[13:07] <nick_name> zipper: have u tried it urself ??
[13:07] <neville> Okay, now I'm getting
[13:07] <zipper> nick_name, no, i havent.... thats why i said "guess" =)
[13:08] <neville> "The application unknown (nspluginviewer) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SISSEGV)"
[13:08] <zipper> i read a comment somewhere about it becomming much more stable also
[13:08] <sigma_1234> zipper: for some odd reason it isnt once you leave bios.
[13:09] <zipper> sigma_1234, hmm.... You sure it isn't some grub setting somewhere?
[13:09] <nick_name> neville: if they r video files, reassign them with any other applications
[13:09] <sigma_1234> neville: are you using kde 4.0.0?
[13:09] <sigma_1234> zipper: highly unlikely. as i had the same problem
[13:09] <neville> I'm using KDE 3.5.8
[13:10] <olimpico> Install kde4-core??? What is kde4-core, and where do I get it, I want to install KDE4 and that's part of the installation.
[13:10] <sigma_1234> neville: thats weird. i never had those errors
[13:10] <zipper> sigma_1234, okay.... Well i'll make sure to take a look in bios next time i can be bothered to reboot, thanks
[13:10] <sigma_1234> zipper: no prob
[13:11] <neville> neither have i before this :S
[13:12] <olimpico> Has anyone installed KDE4 yet????
[13:13] <xRaich[o]2x> olimpico: yes
[13:13] <MilitantPotato> yeqa
[13:14] <MilitantPotato> it looks slick, pretty buggy though
[13:14] <august_> someone help me... when i start kubutu and the blue loadingbar appears... 4 out of 5 times it goes about an inch and then stops... is there something wrong with my os instalation?
[13:14] <xRaich[o]2x> it's not that buggy here. but i would say that it's a definite no-no to use it as a productive DE
[13:15] <MilitantPotato> it seems to be lacking the customization I like in 3.5
[13:15] <xRaich[o]2x> MilitantPotato: for now ;)
[13:15] <zipper> I'm currently using kubuntu with kde 3.5.8. Would installing KDE4 overwrite kde3.5? Are there any guides for setting up a kdm menu entry for both (like you would do with gnome/kde)?
[13:16] <bascule> august_: if you know how to edit grub lines at boot, change splash to nosplash and see the error
[13:16] <MilitantPotato> xRaich[o]2x: I know, it's looking good for being this young
[13:16] <olimpico> xRaich[o]2x: What is meant by installing kde4-core???
[13:17] <xRaich[o]2x> MilitantPotato: yep it actually pretty amazing
[13:17] <august_> how? what?
[13:17] <xRaich[o]2x> olimpico: nope i updated from rc2
[13:17] <fernando> I am trying to install codeblocks using apt-get but I get the follows error: codeblocks: Depends: libcodeblocks0 (= 1.0svn4801-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[13:17] <jords> zipper: that's what happens by default. see kubuntu.org announcement
[13:17] <_luke_> I just installed kde4-core and it appears as though no shortcuts are working (eg: alt+tab, alt+f2 etc)... Any ideas why?
[13:17] <zipper> jords, nice, thanks
[13:18] <fernando> also I get this information: The following packages have unmet dependencies
[13:18] <fernando> how can I solve this problem??
[13:18] <xRaich[o]2x> _luke_: i had that problem when i installed the kde locals for my language
[13:18] <_luke_> xRaich[o]2x: did you manage to resolve it?
[13:18] <MilitantPotato> fernando: for kweather?
[13:18] <xRaich[o]2x> _luke_: are you using plan english kde4?
[13:18] <xRaich[o]2x> plane
[13:19] <jords> plain?:D
[13:19] <xRaich[o]2x> aaaaaah yep plain ^^
[13:19] <MilitantPotato> fernando: some things depend on a 3.92 or close version, which isn't KDE4 release
[13:19] <xRaich[o]2x> sorry just fell out of bed ;)
[13:20] <jords> np it's 2am here
[13:20] <xRaich[o]2x> 2pm ^^
[13:20] <ubuntu_> cand somone pls tell me some other mirc servers
[13:20] <ubuntu_> ?
[13:20] <_luke_> MilitantPotato: yep - plain English... I think KDE 3 might have been set for Australian English
[13:20] <jords> sitting on bed with laptop on irc == bad
[13:21] <ubuntu_> and somone pls tell me some other mirc servers
[13:21] <ubuntu_> [13:20] <ubuntu_> ?
[13:21] <_luke_> oops above was meant to be directed at xRaich[o]2x :P
[13:21] <MilitantPotato> Anyone have an idea why I can't launch programs that require a root password from the KMenu?
[13:21] <MilitantPotato> It keeps saying the password is incorrect
[13:21] <zipper> "To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1 then  and run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the Xerphyr xterm." - Wait what? Anyone care to explain?
[13:21] <xRaich[o]2x> _luke_: hrmm... so it's not a problem with the locals....
[13:21] <tarsonis> how stable is kde4 btw?
[13:22] <xRaich[o]2x> _luke_: sorry don't know how to work around that
[13:22] <onishidato> how can i open my desktop again??
[13:22] <jords> MilitantPotato:kde4? i think that theres a issue with kdesu, kdesudo should work
[13:22] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: it's pretty stable for me, but i'm a bleeding edge guy ;)
[13:22] <tarsonis> hheh
[13:22] <tarsonis> is it hard to set it up?
[13:22] <jords> MilitantPotato: hav'nt experienced it myself so i don't know if that was the issue though
[13:22] <_luke_> xRaich[o]2x: no worries thanks for trying
[13:22] <MilitantPotato> jords: how do I make it run kdesudo as default?
[13:22] <tarsonis> because i'm really looking forward to use kde4
[13:22] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: not really, but you should be careful after all
[13:23] <MilitantPotato> Or, where's the Kmenu editor?
[13:23] <tarsonis> i'm used to be a gentoo guy
[13:23] <tarsonis> so well
[13:23] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: same here ~arch user ^^
[13:23] <jords> MilitantPotato:  Test running an app from terminal with both kdesu and kdesudo and see which ones if any work
[13:23] <herchu> hello everybody. I am giving a try on kde4. I have a question about dolphin: how can I create directories? My "Create New..." menu only shows "link to device". Is that not implemented, or a problem on my setup?
[13:23] <xRaich[o]2x> plus a s**tload of unmasked packages
[13:23] <tarsonis> used ~arch only for several apps i'm using frequently
[13:23] <jords> MilitantPotato: Not sure how to change that
[13:23] <tarsonis> the base system stays arch
[13:24] <MilitantPotato> jords: both work, it's just when launched from the Kmenu
[13:24] <nick_name> MilitantPotato: righ.click on kmenu > unlock ... right.click on kmenu > Menu Editor
[13:24] <_luke_> hey guys are there any other kde4 final packages available other than kde4-base?
[13:24] <tarsonis> so well, how is kde4? amazing? :D
[13:24] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: acutally that the better approach.if was to set up another gentoo system i wouldn't use ~arch
[13:24] <MilitantPotato> I only have Remove and Config
[13:24] <nick_name> tarsonis: lol, i guess everyone is scared to try it out :P
[13:25] <tarsonis> damn
[13:25] <tarsonis> i want kde4 so bad
[13:25] <nick_name> tarsonis: i tried last RC , my experience was'nt very good :P
[13:25] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: i think it is but i'm looking at it from the programmer's perspective
[13:25] <zipper> tarsonis, just finished installing it, gonna give it a go =)
[13:25] <zipper> wish me luck...
[13:25] <Lynoure> tarsonis: if you do, try it.
[13:25] <nick_name> zipper: GOOD LUCK :)
[13:25] <tarsonis> i dont want to set up a kubuntu system right now
[13:25] <nick_name> zipper: where did u install it from ??
[13:25] <jords> tarsonis: I think i'll be more amazed when some fixes are applied... it's great to try but i can't use it full time at the moment... plasma crashes a lot on my laptop
[13:26] <tarsonis> hm
[13:26] <tarsonis> :/
[13:26] <nick_name> tarsonis: zipper just left :P
[13:26] <Lynoure> tarsonis: not that badly, then :)
[13:26] <nick_name> tarsonis: has he jst lost his X :D ??
[13:26] <MilitantPotato> I don't have an option to unlock
[13:26] <Wizard> hello
[13:26] <xRaich[o]2x> 4.0 will be disappointing for the regular end-user
[13:26] <tarsonis> should i use a hardy or the gutsy version of kubuntu though?
[13:26] <MilitantPotato> xRaich[o]2x: agreed
[13:26] <nick_name> MilitantPotato: then , right.click > MENU EDITOR
[13:26] <Wizard> i'm looking for support for kubuntu/ppc
[13:26] <sam_the_guy> hi
[13:26] <jords> MilitantPotato: Just right click on kmenu and click menu editor
[13:26] <Wizard> does somebody use it ?
[13:26] <sam_the_guy> how can i resize widgets in kubuntu?
[13:26] <sam_the_guy> (kde4)
[13:26] <jussi01> !ppc | Wizard
[13:26] <ubotu> Wizard: PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[13:27] <MilitantPotato> I don't have a menu editor option :D
[13:27] <xRaich[o]2x> but i'm pretty curious what they are going to do with the 4.1 release. the API is so damn powerful
[13:27] <nick_name> sam_the_guy: superkaramba ??
[13:27] <sam_the_guy> what is superkaramba?
[13:27] <nick_name> sam_the_guy: not every widgets can be resized i guess ...
[13:27] <tarsonis> xRaich[o]2x, i heard that they overworked every lib to qt4 and stuff
[13:27] <Wizard> jussi01: i've read it
[13:27] <august_> how do i instal kde4?
[13:27] <Wizard> i only have few questions
[13:27] <Wizard> about kde4 of course ;)
[13:27] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: not only that. they created so many amazing frameworks
[13:27] <tarsonis> did they? hmm
[13:27] <MilitantPotato> Just Application Launcher Menu Settings, and Remove This Application launcher Menu
[13:28] <MilitantPotato> No menu editor.
[13:28] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: phonon, solid, sonnet, decibel (coming in kde4.1) and so an
[13:28] <xRaich[o]2x> on
[13:28] <tarsonis> sounds interesting
[13:28] <MilitantPotato> Settings>Menu editor doesn't open anything either.
[13:28] <rakan> Hello, is there an ctrl-alt-del-like in Kubuntu? i tried KSysGuard but some processes wont be killed because i dont have enough privileges although i am in root group
[13:28] <sebastian^> good morning folks :)
[13:28] <jords> I can see the motivations for making a big 4.0 release, but i think that should ideally be for when the system is stable and ready for end users... I soppose that's easier to do with a small project but kde's so huge that a 'complete' release is never going to happen...
[13:28] <tarsonis> jords, well, you have to seperate applications and the desktop environment
[13:28] <nick_name> MilitantPotato: from shell > kmenuedit
[13:29] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: it is, but the enduser has to wait until all the programs use those technologies. but the possibilies are mind blowing
[13:29] <nick_name> sebastian^: good.morning :P , okey ??
[13:29] <MilitantPotato> nick_name: thanks.
[13:29] <nick_name> MilitantPotato: not a problme
[13:29] <tarsonis> xRaich[o]2x, so theres no other way than waiting, eh? guess i'll wait till kde4 comes in the gentoo repos and install a fresh gentoo there with kde4...
[13:30] <Lynoure> tarsonis: there is... help apps with porting...
[13:30] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: yep waiting is the only option, maybe programming a little bit yourself. all this code is not going to patch itself ;)
[13:30] <tarsonis> thats true
[13:30] <tarsonis> but i'm still a noob with programming
[13:31] <m__> hi i have been trying to meet you
[13:31] <MilitantPotato> heh.
[13:31] <MilitantPotato> Still can't run anything that needs root
[13:31] <xRaich[o]2x> i think solid will be something a lot of programmers were waiting for
[13:31] <MilitantPotato> Password incorrect
[13:31] <MilitantPotato> runs fine from shel
[13:31] <m__> you know it{s true
[13:31] <sebastian^> okey nick_name ;)
[13:32] <nick_name> sebastian^: :)
[13:32] <m__> nice
[13:32] <jords> MilitantPotato: Sorry, i have no idea... does'nt seem like any devs are around at the moment maybe try another time
[13:32] <jords> Is this the kde4 menu or kde3?
[13:33] <Lynoure> tarsonis: best way to progress is to use the skills
[13:33] <MilitantPotato> Whats the command for the Control center?
[13:33] <tarsonis> there are none in c :D
[13:33] <xRaich[o]2x> MilitantPotato: on kde4 systemsettings in kde3 kcontol
[13:33] <xRaich[o]2x> kcontrol
[13:34] <Lynoure> tarsonis: most kde apps seem to be in c++
[13:34] <xRaich[o]2x> C++/Qt4
[13:34] <xRaich[o]2x> Qt4 extends C++ a little bit
[13:34] <tarsonis> there are no programming skills in c++ either :/
[13:34] <tarsonis> just a little bit of java
[13:35] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: java is a good start for C++ ;)
[13:35] <tarsonis> i know, i tried myself with c++
[13:35] <tarsonis> but i failed hard
[13:35] <tarsonis> guess i need a good book and much time
[13:35] <MilitantPotato> ok guys, have a good night
[13:35] <xRaich[o]2x> C++ gives you unimaginable ways to f**k up your code ^^
[13:35] <tarsonis> i know
[13:35] <tarsonis> xD
[13:36] <xRaich[o]2x> that's way i love it ^^
[13:37] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: just get yourself a C++ book and another one for Qt4 you will be impressed
[13:37] <tarsonis> thought so
[13:38] <xRaich[o]2x> programming with Qt4 is not that hard
[13:38] <tarsonis> well maybe not
[13:38] <xRaich[o]2x> the toolkit does a lot of work for you
[13:38] <xRaich[o]2x> even garbage collection
[13:38] <tarsonis> oh nice
[13:38] <xRaich[o]2x> with a few lines of code you can make widgets pop up all over the place ;)
[13:39] <xRaich[o]2x> and there is a grafical designer for UIs
[13:39] <xRaich[o]2x> so no need to layout you app by using code ;)
[13:40] <Lynoure> At least Basket still needs help in porting, if any of you are short of projects to help
[13:40] <tarsonis> i prefer to layout with code though
[13:40] <sam_the_guy> how can i resize the bottom bar in kde 4?
[13:41] <xRaich[o]2x> sam_the_guy: you can't
[13:41] <sam_the_guy> :O
[13:41] <tarsonis> the new kicker is a little bit strange
[13:41] <tarsonis> can't wait for plasma apps replacing it
[13:41] <sam_the_guy> can i configure the size of the widgets?
[13:41] <xRaich[o]2x> sam_the_guy: kde4.0 is not ment for the end user ;) wait for kde4.1 if you want something usable ;)
[13:42] <xRaich[o]2x> sam_the_guy: yep you just need to click that circled arrow and resize and rotate by dragging
[13:42] <Wizard> could somebody check if hoary repos are available for powerpc ?
[13:42] <Wizard> !hoary
[13:42] <ubotu> Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog) was the second release of Ubuntu.  End Of Life: October 31, 2006. See !eol for more details.
[13:42] <Wizard> ups
[13:42] <Wizard> not hoary..
[13:43] <xRaich[o]2x> hardy?
[13:43] <Wizard> yeah, hardy :)
[13:43] <Wizard> !hardy
[13:43] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[13:45] <NielsE> my katapult wont start within kde4, any solutions?
[13:46] <tarsonis> use alt+f2
[13:46] <NielsE> hmm k :-P, but I really liked katapult, yesterday it was working
[13:46] <Wizard> :P
[13:47] <tarsonis> xRaich[o]2x, i remember using kubuntu half a year ago or so, everything was so easy that i formatted and put a gentoo up again, because it got boring
[13:47] <tarsonis> (so does gentoo atm for me though)
[13:47] <Aranel> i have 60~ new updates, r them related to kde4 ?
[13:48] <august_> for kde 4.. do you only have to instal the kde4 core?
[13:48] <NielsE> yup
[13:48] <Aranel> august_: yes. and kopete-kde4 etc. for additional apps.
[13:48] <august_> thx
[13:48] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: i don't have that much time for maintaining a system.
[13:48] <tarsonis> thought so
[13:52] <hola> when kde start is say: malformd url and no icon and menu on desktop
[13:52] <kallepersson> Hello there. I'd like to install KDE4. How would I do that? I'm on Kubuntu Gutsy.
[13:52] <august_> where is kde 4 located... cant fin it in the kmenu
[13:52] <stdin> kallepersson: /topic
[13:52] <olimpico> How can i make KDE4 to startup automatically????
[13:52] <stdin> august_: read the instructions
[13:52] <august_> from where?
[13:52] <stdin> olimpico: once you choose it from the login menu, it'll default to that
[13:52] <olimpico> I already installed it, but it's still loading 3.5.8
[13:53] <stdin> august_: /topic
[13:53] <kallepersson> stdin: Thanks, first time using kopete so I didn't see that.
[13:53] <olimpico> stdin: in the login menu is only KDE
[13:53] <olimpico> THere's no place to specify KDE4
[13:53] <stdin> olimpico: have you installed kde4-core, there will be a "KDE 4"
[13:53] <stdin> olimpico: you *may* have to restart KDM to see it
[13:54] <stdin> most people don't have to though
[13:54] <olimpico> stdin: kde4-core is not a package?
[13:54] <stdin> yes it is, read the instructions in the topic
[13:55] <olimpico> stdin: what do you mean by kde4-core, I tried apt-get install kde4-core and nothing was found
[13:55] <stdin> olimpico: yes, because you haven't added the repository, so go read the instructions
[13:56] <olimpico> stdin: Yes I added it, but I'm assuming now that I typed something wrong before, because now it works
[13:56] <olimpico> It's installing now, sorry
[13:56] <stdin> olimpico: ok, after it's done just logout and choose "KDE 4" from the menu in the lower right of the login menu
[13:57] <olimpico> stdin: Thanks a lot!!!!
[13:57] <stdin> :)
[13:58] <kallepersson> stdin: Upgrade underway. Thanks!
[13:58] <stdin> be free :)
[13:58] <kallepersson> I guess that it won't matter that I first update all the KDE packages and then install the kde4-core?
[13:58] <august_> still dont get how to start it...says installed in adept manager
[13:59] <stdin> kallepersson: after adding the repository, it's a good idea to update all packages, then install "kde4-core"
[13:59] <kallepersson> august_: have you added the new repo in your sources.list and done an upgrade?
[13:59] <stdin> august_: after it's done just logout and choose "KDE 4" from the menu in the lower right of the login menu
[13:59] <august_> what?
[13:59] <kallepersson> stdin: then I'm doing a the right thing :-)
[13:59] <august_> ok
[13:59] <kallepersson> august_: You must get all the new KDE packages.
[13:59] <kallepersson> If you already haven't
[14:00] <Lynoure> stdin: When I highlight an url, and I get that list of things to do (browsers to open with), how do I keep the Konqueror option being 3.5.8 konqueror in 3.5.8 kde? It now seems to default to kde4.0 konqueror
[14:00] <august_> ive got the kde4base and kde4base-data
[14:00] <kallepersson> (Has he done the steps in http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php ?)
[14:00] <stdin> act today and get a free gift: an updated version of Amarok (kde3)
[14:01] <august_> im all new to this so what more do i have to do to get kde4 to work?
[14:01] <stdin> Lynoure: you have to open konqueror (kde3) and go to Settings > Configure Konqueror ->File Associations and change the association for text/html to konqueror (not konqueror kde4)
[14:02] <kallepersson> brb
[14:02] <stdin> august_: if you have kde4base then you have the wrong packages, please remove "kdelibs5" and "kdelibs5-data" then install "kdebase-bin-kde4" and then "kde4-core"
[14:02] <MMM> hi all =)
[14:03] <shuerlimann> hi all
[14:03] <MMM> i have a bit of a problem... how can i configure wlan in kde4/kubuntu?
[14:03] <shuerlimann> in kde4 my global accellerator don't work (like alt-tab or alt-f2)
[14:03] <shuerlimann> this is a known issue: http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Global_shortcuts_.28ALT.2BF2_for_KRunner.2C_ALT.2BTab.2C_etc.29_aren.27t_working.3F.21
[14:03] <shuerlimann> does anybody have a fix?
[14:04] <stdin> MMM: you have to start knetworkmanager manually, there isn't a kde4 version of it yet
[14:04] <_luke_> shuerlimann: nope - its happening for me as well
[14:04] <MMM> ok. ty =)
[14:04] <_luke_> also in Country/Region/Language settings I have no options
[14:04] <MMM> ill go try it out.
[14:04] <MMM> bye
[14:04] <_luke_> as in nothing selected and can't add anything
[14:04] <shuerlimann> when running khotkeys
[14:05] <shuerlimann> I get
[14:05] <shuerlimann> khotkeys(7240) KShortcut::KShortcut: unusable primary shortcut sequence  ""
[14:05] <shuerlimann> maybe that's related?
[14:05] <_luke_> maybe
[14:05] <_luke_> vote for the bug on bugs.kde.org
[14:05] <shuerlimann> _luke_: yepp
[14:06] <sinthetek> yesterday i aptitude safe-upgraded my little sister's system because for some reason her mp3 player stopped showing up on the desktop and when we rebooted it won't let her login via kdm
[14:06] <Lynoure> stdin: It seems all the associations are messed up. If I end up accidentally using konqueror4 when in kde3.5.8 session, is there any risk of the two konquerors settings overwriting each other?
[14:07] <stdin> Lynoure: no, KDE4 keeps it's settings in ~/.kde4 and KDE3 keeps it's in ~/.kde
[14:07] <sinthetek> i see in Xorg.0.log that some errors that could be related i think referring to aiglx but i'm not too keen on graphics/hardware stuff and don't know what would be the best way to fix it.
[14:07] <stdin> !away > MetaMorfoziS
[14:08] <MetaMorfoziS> just shut up and tell me where is the devel channel
[14:08] <sinthetek> i thought perhaps there could be some sort of kubuntu rescue command or something to restore her kde graphics/effects settings to default
[14:09] <Lynoure> stdin: that's good to hear :)
[14:09] <stdin> sinthetek: you can try logging them into the console and doing "mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.bak" then it should start with fresh settings but the'll all be backed up in ~/.kde.bak
[14:12] <Psycoshot> HEy Guys.
[14:12] <Psycoshot> Does anyone know how to get kubuntu to recognize a headest (USB)
[14:14] <xst> It seems completely impossible to print on a paper that has an unusual size, e.g. 13x18 cm: Every way I try to print a PDF of that size results in a print with a wrong offset - as if the printer insist that the paper size is A4 or letter. What to do?
[14:15] <Lynoure> xst: is 13x18 a custom size, or does it have name/code?
[14:16] <xst> Lynoure: It is a custom size
[14:17] <Psycoshot> Does anyone know how t hook up a usb headest
[14:17] <Psycoshot> and get it recognized.
[14:18] <shadowhywind> hi all, Is KDE 4 not as customizable as kde 4? aka, I am trying to get the task bar to move say to the left of the screen and i can't figure it out
[14:19] <stdin> shadowhywind: no, can't be done yet
[14:19] <shadowhywind> stdin yet? *thought it was offically released*
[14:20] <stdin> shadowhywind: this is 4.0.0, it's the 1st release. don't expect it to be anything like 3.5.x
[14:20] <shadowhywind> stdin ah k, It looks slightly pretty, but missing a lot still
[14:21] <shadowhywind> also any ideas, when i switch back to kde 3, when i open up a few programs, it takes on the new look of kde 4
[14:22] <stdin> shadowhywind: have a read of http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174 :)
[14:22] <sigma_1234> !acidrip
[14:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about acidrip - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:23] <sigma_1234> !info acidrip
[14:23] <ubotu> acidrip: ripping and encoding DVD tool using mplayer and mencoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.14-0.2ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 63 kB, installed size 308 kB
[14:23] <sinthetek> apparently it isn't a problem with her kde settings...
[14:23] <hunkennalle> stdin: what more than kde4base and kde4base-data do i need for kde4 to run?
[14:23] <sinthetek> same xorg.conf we have been using since we installed dapper though
[14:24] <tyone> hi peeps
[14:24] <stdin> hunkennalle: *remove* those packages, those are old beta packages
[14:24] <sigma_1234> i wonder when kde4.1 will hit the streets
[14:24] <tyone> any'1 got a minute to help me out here ??
[14:24] <thewhitepelican> in kde4, how do I autostart a program?
[14:24] <hunkennalle> then what should i download?
[14:24] <tyone> is there any way to revert ubutu back to default settings ?
[14:24] <sinthetek> maybe some new kde default settings were added? her onboard via video doesn't support 3d rendering well...
[14:24] <thewhitepelican> sigma_1234, , 4.0 just came out and you want 4.1 already? hehe
[14:24] <sigma_1234> oh is kde4 something that started from scratch or was it built on kde3?
[14:25] <tyone> i installed kubuntu, then messed up my vga driver, now machine boots into bash every time and i need to install vga driver before starting gnome
[14:25] <stdin> hunkennalle: do "apt-get remove kdelibs5 kde4base-data kde4libs-data" then read http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[14:25] <tyone> i have since un-installed kde
[14:25] <Orfeous> back again
[14:25] <hunkennalle> ok
[14:25] <sigma_1234> lol yeah. the sooner the better!
[14:25] <hunkennalle> ill try that
[14:25] <hunkennalle> thx
[14:25] <stdin> sigma_1234: complete rewrite
[14:25] <tyone> any idea peeps ?S
[14:26] <Orfeous> those configs.. hmm
[14:26] <sigma_1234> stdin: oh so thats why it will have alot of bugs
[14:26] <stdin> yeah :p
[14:26] <tyone>  ?~!
[14:26] <tyone> ~?
[14:26] <napoleao> My kde4 taksbar has dissapeared, anyone know how to make it appear again?
[14:26] <Orfeous> what config is system menu and panels included in?
[14:26] <thewhitepelican> stdin, how do I autostart a orogram in kde4? I'm running it through vmware (i know, i know) and need vmware-toolbox to go between the 2 sessions without having to hit ctrl alt)
[14:27] <thewhitepelican> program*
[14:27] <stdin> thewhitepelican: same way as in kde3, put a link in ~/.kde4/Autostart
[14:27] <thewhitepelican> I did that stdin and it didn't work
[14:27] <stdin> well that's probably a bug than :)
[14:27] <thewhitepelican> ya think? hehe
[14:28] <thewhitepelican> tis OK
[14:28] <thewhitepelican> I won't go "live with it till 4.1 at least
[14:28] <thewhitepelican> I'm with sigma_1234
[14:28] <b0uncer> hello folks..does anyone know if the new kde4-gutsy has a "restricted drivers manager" or not?
[14:28] <sigma_1234> lol the poor kde devs are going to get so many bug reports this week
[14:28] <b0uncer> the live-cd didn't seem to contain one, yet I'd like to have it
[14:29] <thewhitepelican> it's ok sigma_1234, it's what they live for lol
[14:29] <thewhitepelican> like root canal hehe
[14:29] <dabujo> are there live-dvds/cds available for hardy with kde4 anywhere?
[14:29] <napoleao> I dont have the menu taskbar :)
[14:29] <sigma_1234> hehe. well im waiting for hardy. i guess gutsy wasnt really designed for it
[14:29] <Orfeous> not me either..
[14:29] <napoleao> has dissapeared, even with restar does not work lol
[14:29] <thewhitepelican> prolly not
[14:30] <Orfeous> napoleao: i have the same problem
[14:30] <Orfeous> something is changed during version upgrade i think
[14:30] <sigma_1234> but good for a test drive none the less
[14:30] <thewhitepelican> I'm actually surprised I used kubuntu, given their issues with fixing open office. only took them 6 months and over 100 posts complaining about it ;)
[14:30] <Orfeous> spammed with bugs ;)
[14:32] <napoleao> is kde4 stable in debian, or it is the same bugs?
[14:33] <thewhitepelican> same bugs
[14:33] <napoleao> ok
[14:33] <thewhitepelican> rule of thumb, never put a .00 on a production box
[14:33] <sigma_1234> there were issues with openoffice on kubuntu?
[14:34] <b0uncer> or is there no restricted drivers manager for kde4 at all?
[14:34] <stdin> b0uncer: no
[14:34] <thewhitepelican> yes sigma_1234
[14:35] <b0uncer> ok..well that's a major drawback
[14:35] <thewhitepelican> the one I kept tracking was with the database program
[14:35] <stdin> b0uncer: have a read of http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174
[14:35] <b0uncer> I'll check that out, thanks
[14:35] <thewhitepelican> the form creation program would never complete
[14:36] <thewhitepelican> it was upstream to debian, but even when debian fixed it, the kubuntu team never did
[14:36] <sigma_1234> i thought kexi was the kubuntu database program?
[14:37] <thewhitepelican> it was and is the koffice one
[14:38] <sigma_1234> i didnt know openoffice had a database program
[14:38] <b0uncer> alright..well, seems like I'll just have to wait and hope it's implemented into Kubuntu one day. thanks for the link, stdin!
[14:38] <thewhitepelican> yes indeed, sigma_1234, it came in with 2.x
[14:38] <sigma_1234> why not just download the drivers yourself?
[14:38] <thewhitepelican> it's a good program
[14:39] <sigma_1234> how come it isnt in gutsy?
[14:39] <thewhitepelican> my only complain so far, and it's the same one with kexi, is neither seem to be able to open office 97 or 2000 databases
[14:39] <thewhitepelican> it is
[14:39] <thewhitepelican> just not automatic
[14:39] <thewhitepelican> I just installed it yesterday
[14:40] <sigma_1234> no it isnt
[14:40] <thewhitepelican> wait, I might be in the middle of 2 convos here
[14:40] <sigma_1234> i only have drawing. present. word and spread
[14:40] <thewhitepelican> sigma_1234, do you mean the database program isn't in gutsy?
[14:41] <sigma_1234> ah i see. whats it called?
[14:41] <sigma_1234> yeah
[14:41] <thewhitepelican> hang on i'll find it
[14:42] <LeeJunFan> does anyone know where I can get the last working flash plugin for konqueror? adobe seems to like to hide old versions.
[14:42] <jussi01> !flash
[14:42] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[14:42] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[14:42] <gukk_devel> emilsedgh: there were locks stored in the folder .gnupg
[14:42] <LeeJunFan> thanks.
[14:42] <jussi01> :)
[14:44] <thewhitepelican> sigma_1234, it's called openoffice.org base
[14:44] <voonte> Does kubuntu offer any way to get the qt4 frontend for vlc, and not the wxw?
[14:44] <tarsonis> btw
[14:44] <tarsonis> what about flash under amd64 for kubuntu?
[14:44] <thewhitepelican> and it is in gutsy as I just installed it yesterday
[14:44] <tarsonis> is there any way to get it running?
[14:44] <hola> which is the apt command for remove a package and its dependences
[14:45] <sigma_1234> is it in the gutsy default install?
[14:46] <thewhitepelican> not sure actually as I usually make avaialble most debs in my sources.list
[14:46] <sigma_1234> yeah i think it has to be downloaded
[14:47] <sigma_1234> does it use mysql databases?
[14:47] <hunkennalle> how do i do this?:"Add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main to your /etc/apt/sources.list"
[14:48] <thewhitepelican> not sure, I haven't gotten that far. Saw my 1stsql statement years ago and almost went blind LOL
[14:48] <hola> which is the adept command for to remove a package and its dependances?
[14:49] <sigma_1234> sudo apt-get remove i guess
[14:50] <jussi01> hunkennalle: kmenu -> system -> adept -> manage repositiories -> third party -> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main
[14:52] <hola> sigma_1234: i think that it does not remove the dipendences
[14:52] <jussi01> !flash64
[14:52] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[14:52] <llutz> hola: aptitude remove <package>    should remove deps too if they aren't needed anymore
[14:54] <BenjaminD> i am using kubuntu gutsy 7.10.. how can i upgrade to kde 4?
[14:55] <hola> llutz: tnks
[14:55] <thewhitepelican> there is an instruction page on the main page
[14:55] <thewhitepelican> just look for the link that says kde4
[14:55] <thewhitepelican> word of warning though, it's got a lot of bugs
[14:56] <thewhitepelican> I don't recommend putting it on a production box
[14:56] <hunkennalle> so from where do i get kde4core?
[14:56] <BenjaminD> cant i just sudo apt-get ?
[14:57] <thewhitepelican> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[14:57] <hunkennalle> ive read that but where do i instal it from?
[14:58] <a7p> hi everyone ... does anyone know how to the the new kde4 packages in gusty-backports running?
[15:00] <TimS> a7p: Its possible, but It has messed my mates system up already, so i dont know the propper way, he just followed the guide from an Ubuntu blog
[15:00] <thewhitepelican> what do you mean hunkennalle ?
[15:01] <a7p> TimS, okay messed up, does not sound too good.
[15:01] <thewhitepelican> a7p, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[15:02] <a7p> thewhitepelican, that one requires a ppa  - which I do not want to use ... for the backport-packages the mentioned instructions do not work.
[15:02] <thewhitepelican> hmmm
[15:02] <a7p> i get the splash-screen, but then after highlighting some icons it dies.
[15:02] <thewhitepelican> then I'm at a loss
[15:07] <wers> kde4 wont start. whenever I log in kde4, after the splash screen, I go back to GDM
[15:07] <wers> any ideas?
[15:07] <a7p> wers, same here.
[15:08] <wers> I am on Ubuntu (GNOME) and I just installed kde4 by following the instructions in kubuntu.org
[15:08] <a7p> something's broken in the packages ...
[15:08] <wers> i didnt have kde3 installed before
[15:08] <wers> other than some apps like basket and kaffeine
[15:08] <a7p> neigther I had.
[15:08] <wers> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=665050
[15:09] <GioFX> kubuntu 8.04 kde4 or kde3 what will it use as default?
[15:09] <JohnFlux> GioFX: kde3
[15:10] <wers> GioFX, kde3's the default but there's an option to use kde4
[15:10] <GioFX> ok, yes that is good!
[15:10] <GioFX> thanks
[15:11] <NIghtFire> hi: anybody know where I can find older versions of the firmware code for a samsung yp t9j.  I am told that if I install version 1.60 of the firmware it will talk to Gutsy but my firmware version is 1.72 any other options ?
[15:12] <NIghtFire> samsung yp-t9j = mp3 player
[15:20] <BluesKaj> Howdy all  :-)
[15:23] <BluesKaj> so far KDE4 is nice eyecandy, but my fingers slipped on the mouse while trying to move on the KOnq icon and grew to twicw it's default size , how to resize it back ?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> err twice
[15:23] <Phophos> Yo; I'm looking to install KDE over my Gnome installation on 7.10. I've heard this makes menus messy, so is there a way to automate their cleanup?
[15:27] <napoleao> how can I resize the kde4 menu taskbat?
[15:29] <adz21c> napoleao: u mean the big black panel?
[15:29] <napoleao> yes
[15:29] <adz21c> u can't
[15:29] <SSJ_GZ> napoleao: http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Why_can.27t_I_auto-hide.2F_resize_the_panel.3F__Can_I_add_a_new_panel.3F
[15:29] <napoleao> thank you
[15:32] <Briareos1> can i tell amarok/xine to use all 5 speakers also for stereo-only songs? (right now it's set to plug:surround51:Live - but output only left/right ...)
[15:36] <BluesKaj> so far KDE4 is nice eyecandy, but my fingers slipped on the mouse while trying to move the Konq icon and grew to twice it's default size , how to resize it back ?
[15:36] <BluesKaj> oops sorry
[15:37] <Dagon> in KDE4 where did they hide "add/remove" programs?
[15:39] <SSJ_GZ> BluesKaj: Hover over the icon; use the resize handle.
[15:39] <limac> hey, how can i change my login name in kubuntu?
[15:40] <jpatrick> limac: use Users in System Settings
[15:40] <limac> thanks jpatrick :D
[15:41] <Azzmodan> where do i find kde4-core?
[15:41] <imperfect-> Is upgrading to KDE4 possible w/ kuntu latest?
[15:41] <imperfect-> or is it a dependency nightmare?
[15:41] <jpatrick> Azzmodan: backports or ppa
[15:41] <jpatrick> imperfect-: yes
[15:41] <ader10> Will anybody help me to get KDE4 running? I've installed it but it doesn't start at all, same with the kubuntu-desktop package.
[15:41] <imperfect-> Both, eh ?
[15:42] <adz21c> ader10: what's the problem?
[15:42] <jpatrick> ader10: in the KDM session chooser menu?
[15:43] <ader10> jpatrick: I use gdm because of problems with kdm adz21c: KDE won't start up at all, I get an error message
[15:43] <jpatrick> ader10: what error?
[15:43] <august_> i get this message when i open adept manager:
[15:43] <august_> Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude).
[15:43] <august_> Would you like to attempt to resolve this problem? No will enter read-only mode and Cancel to quit and resolve this issue yourself.
[15:44] <limac> jpatrick: and how about pswd?
[15:45] <jpatrick> limac: same
[15:45] <limac> nm jpatrick
[15:45] <limac> i got it
[15:45] <limac> :D
[15:45] <august_> help me please
[15:45] <jpatrick> august_: kd4?
[15:45] <adz21c> august_: there is a command you can enter to release it, but i can't remember it
[15:45] <august_> no
[15:45] <ader10> jpatrick: I can't find where I wrote it down, I'll be right back and give it to you.
[15:45] <jpatrick> !adeptfix | august_
[15:45] <ubotu> august_: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[15:46] <adz21c> thats the one
[15:46] <ader10> jpatrick: oh I found it. "Call to lnusertemp failed (temporary directories full?). Check you installation"
[15:46] <jpatrick> ader10: never seen that before
[15:46] <ader10> jpatrick: but df shows me that I'm not nearly full/out of disk space
[15:47] <oritemis> hi guys
[15:47] <ader10> Will anybody help me? I'm utterly tired of gnome and want to go back to KDE but KDE fails to start.
[15:48] <oritemis> I just installed kde4 but I am unebled to set default keys for  desktop effects, someone solved this already?
[15:49] <vamsi> I am a new Kubuntu user. Can I please get some help with my Graphics Card.
[15:49] <august_> thank you ubuntu for helping me
[15:50] <adz21c> vamsi: just explain the problem and someone will jump in and help if they know :-)
[15:50] <Briareos1> I've created an image of the a partition and put that image on a larger one - but now linux thinks the partition is only the size of the source-image - how can i change that?
[15:51] <vamsi> My computer has a PIII 866MHz processor with 384mb ram and an intel 82810 graphics card. everything works okay but videos do not play well
[15:51] <vamsi> videos break every frame
[15:51] <oritemis> well someone know, at least the file where the desktop effects are writen?
[15:51] <vamsi> for example, i cannot watch a youtube video. video plays, but it plays frame by frame with a break after each frame
[15:52] <adz21c> vamsi: you mean every 2 seconds it pauses?
[15:52] <vamsi> even videos that are downloaded to the computer, like .wmv and .avi files would play with breaks too.
[15:52] <vamsi> yes.
[15:52] <adz21c> oritemis: use systemsettings-kde4 and go to desktop
[15:52] <vamsi> sometimes every 2 seconds or sometimes even frequently
[15:52] <adz21c> ok, i got the same thing for youtube, but avi's etc work fine for me
[15:53] <ader10> Will anybody help me? I'm utterly tired of gnome and want to go back to KDE but KDE fails to start.
[15:53] <vamsi> but youtube and all other videos used to play fine when i had windows xp on the exact same machine
[15:54] <adz21c> yea, they used to play fine for me as well, under this install of linux, but i dunno why youtubes gone weird for me
[15:54] <vamsi> do you think it is an issue with linux or graphics card?
[15:55] <vamsi> i cannot upgrade graphics card on this machine
[15:55] <vamsi> and i can bump up the system memory only upto 512mb ram
[15:55] <adz21c> vamsi: i don't know, i wouldn't think so
[15:55] <adz21c> vamsi: what do dvds run like?
[15:55] <vamsi> i did not try
[15:56] <adz21c> vamsi: give it a go, see how it goes, if thats smooth then i don't think its a graphics problem
[15:56] <oritemis> adz21c: I tried there and same result.
[15:56] <vamsi> hmm. i will find a dvd and give that a try soon.
[15:57] <adz21c> oritemis: to be honest i not got the desktop affects working at all on my system
[15:57] <vamsi> this is my glxgears output
[15:57] <vamsi> glxgears
[15:57] <vamsi> 709 frames in 5.9 seconds = 119.293 FPS
[15:57] <vamsi> 678 frames in 6.0 seconds = 113.363 FPS
[15:58] <oritemis> adz21c: for same reason?
[15:58] <vamsi> oritemis what is your glxgears output like?
[15:58] <adz21c> tbh vamsi i don't know if those rates are normal for your card, they are slow, but i don't know
[15:59] <adz21c> oritemis: whats your reason for them not working? mine just don't, i have no idea why
[15:59] <oritemis> vamsi: 148 fps
[15:59] <vamsi> oritemis: your numbers are at least better than mine
[16:00] <oritemis> vamsi: with some blinks
[16:00] <adz21c> are you both running kde4?
[16:00] <oritemis> yeah
[16:00] <vamsi> adz21c: no
[16:00] <oritemis> I am
[16:00] <vamsi> adz21c: i am running gutsy giboon with kde3.5.8
[16:00] <adz21c> ok
[16:01] <adz21c> what card you bot vamsi? and oritemis?
[16:01] <oritemis> Where is the config file where Desktop system Settings saves it configurations?, may be it's locked...
[16:01] <vamsi> adz21c: my graphics card is intel 82810e
[16:01] <oritemis> ati, very old.
[16:01] <adz21c> oritemis: don't know
[16:02] <vamsi> adz21c: my lshw output says this about graphics card:
[16:02] <vamsi> *-pci
[16:02] <vamsi>           description: Host bridge
[16:03] <vamsi>           product: 82810E DC-133 (GMCH) Graphics Memory Controller Hub
[16:03] <vamsi>           vendor: Intel Corporation
[16:03] <adz21c> !pastebin | vamsi
[16:03] <ubotu> vamsi: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[16:03] <vamsi>           physical id: 100
[16:03] <vamsi>           bus info: pci@0000:00:00.0
[16:03] <vamsi>           version: 03
[16:03] <vamsi>           width: 32 bits
[16:03] <vamsi>           clock: 33MHz
[16:03] <vamsi>           configuration: driver=agpgart-intel module=intel_agp
[16:03] <vamsi>         *-display
[16:03] <vamsi>              description: VGA compatible controller
[16:03]  * marcx is away: Gone away for now.
[16:03] <vamsi>              product: 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller
[16:03] <vamsi>              vendor: Intel Corporation
[16:03] <vamsi>              physical id: 1
[16:04] <vamsi>              bus info: pci@0000:00:01.0
[16:04] <vamsi>              version: 03
[16:04] <vamsi>              width: 32 bits
[16:04] <vamsi>              clock: 66MHz
[16:04] <vamsi>              capabilities: pm vga bus_master cap_list
[16:04] <vamsi>              configuration: driver=i810_smbus latency=0 module=i2c_i810
[16:04] <vamsi> sorry this is the first time i am using irc. did not know about that
[16:04] <oritemis> I receive a: "QDBusConnection received a message of type 3 that it shouldn't have"
[16:05] <oritemis> when trying change default key of a effect from "none" to something.
[16:05] <adz21c> oritemis: just so we know, do you have issues with smoothness of videos on your system? seeing as u get similar framerates
[16:06] <vamsi> adz21c: and this is how my xorg.conf looks like: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51662/
[16:06] <_gtt_> i just installed compiz-beryl and  get no fire effects.
[16:06] <_gtt_> and no desktop cube
[16:07] <adz21c> vamsi: i am not sure its ur graphics card thats the problem
[16:07] <_gtt_> even when i have fire effects as the only enabled effect.
[16:08] <vamsi> adz21c: if it is not graphics card, do you think i did something incorrect when installing kubuntu? do i have to find a better graphics card driver or something?
[16:08] <vamsi> adz21c: I tried changing driver to vesa but graphics did not work altogether. ony text interface. i had to replace xorg.conf with the old one in order to get back
[16:08] <oritemis> adz21c: no, sure isn't. I can't change default key for some effects. for example: exposè works if I put my mouse in let up corner, but I can't change keys combination from "none" to ctrl+f10.
[16:09] <adz21c> vamsi: intel drivers are open source so you should be getting about as good as it gets with that card
[16:09] <araizen> hey all
[16:09] <araizen> adept says i can update kde. if i do that, will that install kde 4?
[16:09] <adz21c> vamsi: and i had my parents system which is weaker than urs set up with kubuntu and it worked fine
[16:10] <adz21c> oritemis: well i cant get any effects so your doing better than i
[16:11] <vamsi> adz21c: is there any way to know how much memory is being allocated to the graphics card. i think graphics ram is shared
[16:11] <vamsi> adz21c: and is there any way to increase that amount, say to the maximum the card can handle?
[16:12] <adz21c> vamsi: don't know to be honest, i always used seperate cards
[16:13] <_gtt_> araizen: i didnt notice an update to kde4 when i updated on my desktop last night.
[16:13] <_gtt_> of course, i don't think i've rebooted either.
[16:14] <ader10> Help me please, when I try to start KDE, nothing pops up except for this error dialog: "Call to lnusertemp failed (temporary directories full?). Check your installation"
[16:14] <araizen> adept says there are 23 updatable packages and they're all kde components
[16:14] <vamsi> adz21c: hmm. alright. i think i will post a message on the kubuntu forums and see if anyone has a similar problem. may be i might get some help there. otherwise no video for me :-(
[16:15] <adz21c> vamsi: yea, i would pop in here later, theres some people who know linux/kubuntu better than i that are usually in here later
[16:15] <vamsi> adz21c: Thank you for your time. i really like kubuntu and would not want to go back to win xp just for this reason.
[16:15] <oritemis> well, thx anyway guys
[16:15] <oritemis> bye
[16:16] <mneisen> Hi, how about setting up a torrent for the (unofficial) Kubuntu KDE 4.0 Live CD?
[16:16] <limac> ur welcome :D :P
[16:16] <limac> KDE 4.0 is unofficial?
[16:16] <mneisen> limac: No, the Kubuntu Live CD with KDE 4.0 is unofficial.
[16:17] <mneisen> I am just downloading from kubuntu.com, and it is *SLOW*.
[16:17] <limac> ah!
[16:17] <mneisen> see here : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/
[16:18] <parkin> Im downloading from there too, i got 32kbit/sec :P
[16:18] <mneisen> so, how about we set up a torrent for this?
[16:18] <adz21c> ouch lol
[16:18] <limac> yeah
[16:19] <mneisen> someone in touch with the devs/server admins at kubuntu.com?
[16:20] <Dr_willis> Hmm. No torrents found for it at http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[16:20] <mneisen> that's why i want to create a new one ... :-D
[16:21] <Dr_willis> Well given the experioance i had testing out kde4 yesterday on this box.. Im going to wait  a while longer befor tring it again. :P
[16:22] <ferent> how can I see wich folders are empty?
[16:22] <Dr_willis> http://www.fulldls.com/torrent-linuxapp-1778.html
[16:22] <Dr_willis> has a torrent for it allready. :)
[16:22] <mneisen> Dr_willis: OK.
[16:23] <Dr_willis> Google to the rescue. :P
[16:23] <de4dsnake> hey, does anyone now how to solve that slownetworking issue in gutsy? i tried disabling ipv6 with only very little improvement
[16:23] <mneisen> de4dsnake: got a link to this issue?
[16:23] <de4dsnake> ehm one sec
[16:24] <ferent> hi, somebody know's how to see and delete all the empty folder in specific directory?
[16:24] <mneisen> de4dsnake: Do you mean this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/155393
[16:25] <mneisen> ferent: You might want to try:
[16:25] <mneisen> for d in $(find . -maxdepth 1 -type d); do rmdir $d; done
[16:25] <llutz> ferent: something like: find /dir -type d -empty -exec rm -rf {} \;
[16:25] <mneisen> this will try to delete *all* dirs.
[16:25] <mneisen> and fail on non-empty ones.
[16:25] <mneisen> llutz: this solution is better than mine :-D
[16:25] <de4dsnake> checking - takes time to load
[16:26] <ferent> ok, I will try
[16:26] <llutz> mneisen: yours + -empty 's fine too :)
[16:26] <de4dsnake> yes thats the one, mneisen
[16:27] <de4dsnake> after i disabled ipv6 things got much faster
[16:27] <de4dsnake> but still not even close to what wlan can do
[16:27] <de4dsnake> and its very unstable
[16:27] <de4dsnake> transfer rates go up and down between 0 and 1mbit/s
[16:28] <mneisen> de4dsnake: Sorry, this issue seems to be still unresolved.
[16:28] <de4dsnake> hmm ok :(
[16:28] <de4dsnake> so how come some ppl have it and some not?
[16:28] <mneisen> llutz: Thanks for the kudos, but your solution is actually better as it works with directory names containing spaces etc.
[16:28] <_gtt_> i wonder if the ipv6 is what slowing down my connection with my laptop...
[16:29] <_gtt_> i havent disabled it, but it was going to take 2 hours for 4 gigs
[16:29] <mneisen> llutz: my solution will simply crap in the face of such names.
[16:29] <mneisen> de4dsnake: Did you try to disable ipv6.
[16:29] <de4dsnake> yes
[16:29] <mneisen> Oh, yes, you did.
[16:29] <mneisen> I just read it. orry.
[16:29] <mneisen> So, you *need* ipv6?
[16:29] <de4dsnake> no, i dont need ipv6, well so far atleast
[16:30] <willluongo> Hello, when I tried to install kde 4 using adept, it crashed, and now I cannot use adept. Does anyone have any ideas?
[16:30] <mneisen> well, then simply disable it. Things get better then.
[16:30] <mneisen> willluongo: adept crashed, or KDE 4 crashed?
[16:30] <de4dsnake> yeah only slightly tho
[16:30] <mneisen> de4dsnake: tough luck :-D
[16:30] <willluongo> mneisen: adept
[16:30] <willluongo> now when it starts it says it is locked, and then regardless of yes, no, or cancel it crashes
[16:30] <mneisen> willluongo: adept has some left-overs when it crashes. let me search for the solution ...
[16:32] <mneisen> willluongo: do a "sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
[16:32] <mneisen> willluongo: A reboot would help, too, but we are not in Redmond, I think ... :-D
[16:32] <dick-richardson> In the tutorial to install kde 4, the last bullet is "To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1 then  and run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the Xerphyr xterm"...Can I just replace the existing xserver with xephyr on display 0? Will x11vnc work w/xephyr?
[16:33] <willluongo> mneisen: IT still throws the same error
[16:33] <mneisen> willluongo: what did the command output?
[16:33] <willluongo> will@Kubuntu-VM:~$ sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[16:33] <willluongo> [sudo] password for will:
[16:33] <willluongo> will@Kubuntu-VM:~$
[16:33] <mneisen> willluongo: that's fine
[16:33] <mneisen> willluongo: please do a "sudo apt-get update"
[16:34] <Dr_willis> !fixadept
[16:34] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[16:34] <mneisen> willluongo: Dr_willis is right. your have to do "sudo dpkg --configure -a" as well
[16:35] <willluongo> I am doing that right now, thank you both
[16:35] <willluongo> And it is fixed!
[16:35] <willluongo> Thanks again so much!
[16:35] <mneisen> Hooray.
[16:35] <Dr_willis> dick-richardson,  i think the point of xephyr is to let you test out a kde4 session in a window.
[16:35] <Galliles> Hi. Is there any way I can set a streaming movie as my desktop wallpaper?
[16:35] <Dr_willis> dick-richardson,  You can always logout and seleect kde4 in the KDM sessions if you want.
[16:35] <mneisen> Dr_willis: maybe you can answer a little question of mine: why is xserver-xorg-video-intel installed on my AMD/ATI machine?
[16:36] <Dr_willis> mneisen,  i imagine theres a lot of xserver-xorg-* packages installed.
[16:36] <dick-richardson> Dr_willis: thank you!
[16:36] <mneisen> Dr_willis: OK, I thought that only the needed packages get installed.
[16:37] <mneisen> Dr_willis: I ask because there is an update for the intel driver package, and I do not want my xorg.conf messed up.
[16:37] <Dr_willis> think of it as a 'driver' for that video card. :) in case you change cards.. check the package manager.
[16:37] <mneisen> Dr_willis: OK, thanks
[16:37] <appelza> Hi guys, any idea when kde4x packages will be in the official sources list (via experimental or something) instead of an external site like :http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main
[16:37] <Dr_willis> the X.Org X server -- output driver metapackage
[16:38] <appelza> I ask because our local mirror only mirrors the offical sources
[16:39] <ferent> sorry mneisen|on_other, in "for d in $(find . -maxdepth 1 -type d); do rmdir $d; done" what's happen if I don't write the "done"?
[16:39] <Blueskaj> KDE4 is nice eyecandy but it's not working so well for my setup ..the screensaver doesn't start the right photofile, the icons are small and very large in some cases, the panel doesn't accept apps  and konq browser lost all my toolbar bookmarks and regular bookmarks as well. I tried to get help in #kde but there was no reaction to my question.
[16:39] <_gtt_> alright... disabled ipv6, though it doesnt seem my router is afflicted.
[16:39] <Dr_willis> wowsers the kde4 torrent is allready done...
[16:39] <ubuntu_> hello
[16:40] <_gtt_> gonna try reboot, and i've got the kde4 livecd in, so i might as well test that out too.
[16:40] <firecrotch> appelza: it's in gutsy-backports already :)
[16:40] <Dr_willis> took 16 Min. Not bad. :)
[16:40] <Blueskaj> so , I'm back in kde3.5.8 :)
[16:44] <dpwilson> can anyone tell me how to tell what partition my ubuntu install is on.  I am trying to install
[16:44] <dpwilson> kubuntu 7.10 and do not want to erase my other.
[16:44] <Dr_willis> dpwilson,  check 'sudo fdisk -l' to get a list of all disks/filesystems
[16:44] <Blueskaj> now that I've installed KDE4 , can I re-enable the Gutsy backports ?
[16:44] <Dr_willis> dpwilson,  also check the 'mount' command to see where / is mounted
[16:44] <dpwilson> thanks
[16:45] <DreadKnight> Blueskaj: yeah, why not?
[16:45] <Blueskaj> err whynot isn't an answer  :)
[16:45] <DreadKnight> just do it
[16:45] <Dr_willis> I never disabled them in the first place... was we supposed to?
[16:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[16:45] <DreadKnight> no
[16:46] <adz21c> Blueskaj: i don't think it lost your bookmarks etc, the kde4 configs are located else where so it just didn't know about your kde3 stuff, if thats what you mean't :-) (delayed reaction i know)
[16:46] <subopt> Since i switched my KDE window manager from kwin to sawfish all the little thingies in my system tray have somehow removed themselves from the tray and appeared as tiny (1cm x 1cm) app windows. When i'd close the window that'd be the last i saw of that tray thingie. This happened over several logout/login cycles. Now they're all gone. What do i do to get them back?
[16:47] <ferent> mneisen|on_other: when I do "for d in $(find . -type d); do rmdir $d; done" there is a problem with the spaces in folder
[16:47] <ferent> the rmdir understand each word in folder is a different folder
[16:48] <dpwilson> I have sdc1 and sdc3, both showing linux.  I tried to install kubuntu before and created the partition, cant remember which one the ubuntu is on now
[16:48] <Dr_willis> Gee i havent used sawfish in ages.. I seem to recall a windowmaker/dock app i used with it ages ago. that worked as a 'system tray' for most window managers that dident support the normal kde ssytem tray feature
[16:48] <DreadKnight> anyone managed to connect to jabber using kopete-kde4? :|
[16:48] <Blueskaj> adz21c, you may be right ..i haven't tried configuring konq yet as a browser and file manager (which i prefer BTW) ... I'll try later when I'm in the mood for fiddling around :)
[16:49] <Dr_willis> ferent,  you may have to get creative and add some quoteing somewhere... :)
[16:49] <adz21c> Blueskaj: yea, i find kde4 konq is a smoother browser so far .. i find kde3's a lil slow and clunky (maybe its the lack of features in kde4s making it a lil smoother? :-P haha) but as a file manager ... you can#t create a folder....wth lol
[16:49] <ferent> ummm ok Dr_willis
[16:49] <Dr_willis> ferent,  spaces in file names/dir names often cause this kind of issue.
[16:50] <Dr_willis> Which is why i use _ :)
[16:50] <ferent> I know... Dr_willis
[16:50] <dpwilson> sdc3 has an asterisk under boot.  would that mean that is where the ubuntu install is?
[16:50] <mneisen|on_other> ferent: That's why llutz' solution was better
[16:50]  * Dr_willis missed the original problem.
[16:51] <Dr_willis> dpwilson,  that just means its bootable.. Look where its mounted to. where / is mounted should be where its installed to.
[16:51] <Dr_willis> dpwilson,  assumingyou only used one  fileystem for / and not one for / and /home
[16:52] <Blueskaj> adz21c, i guess it'll take some "getting used to" ... I like the way i have things setup in kde3 and I don't feel like trying to flash working in kde4 right now ... I should have known that it was broken in "4"
[16:52] <dpwilson> I am completely new to this, where would I see find the /
[16:52] <Dr_willis> dpwilson,  'mount' is the command.
[16:52] <Dr_willis> /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[16:52] <Dr_willis> That shows that my system is on sda1
[16:53] <limac> is there anywhere i can find the kubunut feisty default background, i like it
[16:53] <dpwilson> on my partitionioner (kubuntu 7.10), it shows both as /media/sdc1 and sdc3
[16:53] <mneisen|on_other> ferent: use "find . -type d -empty -exec rm "{}" \;" maybe
[16:53] <adz21c> Blueskaj: heh yea. To be honest i knew KDE4 was going to be rough around the edges and lacking features .. but its lacking more than i thought ... and slightly more stable than i thought it would be tbh :-)
[16:53] <ferent> mneisen|on_other:  yes I will try
[16:54] <dpwilson> since sdc1 has no *, would that mean there is actually nothing on it?
[16:54] <Dr_willis> dpwilson,  at a miniman you proberly have a / and a swap
[16:55] <Dr_willis> I think the * means very little these days.
[16:55] <dpwilson> can I copy and past  the terminal output here?
[16:55] <Dr_willis> see where its mounted to.. see whats on it.. thats what to look for.
[16:55] <ferent> mneisen|on_other: this not run, maybe I have to use rmdir. see: find . -type d -empty -exec rmdir "{}" \;
[16:55] <Dr_willis> i wouldent trust the * thing at all.
[16:55] <Blueskaj> adz21c,the default "4" theme has a distinctively "Mac" look about it. I'll getpotshots for that remark :)
[16:55] <adz21c> Blueskaj: i thought the exact same thing tbh
[16:56] <Dr_willis> !pastebin | dpwilson
[16:56] <ubotu> dpwilson: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[16:56]  * Dr_willis puts in a vote as hateing the default kde4 theme.. 
[16:56] <Dr_willis> :)
[16:56] <dpwilson> OK
[16:56] <limac> is there anywhere i can find kubunut feisty default background?
[16:56] <Dr_willis> I cant tell which windows got focus or not..
[16:57] <adz21c> yea, thats annoying, i dont hate the theme, its ok, i seen better but i seen a lot worse
[16:57] <DreadKnight> anyone managed to connect to jabber using kopete-kde4? :|
[16:57] <Dr_willis> limac,  try kde-look.org perhaps?  or a friend with a feisty install..
[16:57] <ferent> mneisen|on_other: with "find . -type d -empty -exec rmdir  "{}" \;" all was ok
[16:57] <Blueskaj> Dr_willis, I don't 'hate' the kde4 default look , but it's a bit bland for my taste
[16:57] <ferent> thanks a lot
[16:57] <limac> all right
[16:57] <Dr_willis> Blueskaj,  its positively washed out. :)
[16:57] <Dr_willis> Then again. I tend to use High-contrast themes.
[16:57] <Dr_willis> so im biased
[16:57] <Blueskaj> yeah too pastel
[16:57] <DreadKnight> i love the kde4 look
[16:58] <persen_> Hi, any guides on howto upgrade feisty to kde4 ?
[16:58] <persen_> or tips
[16:58] <Dr_willis> persen_,  see the topic?
[16:58] <Dr_willis> but feisty? ICK
[16:59] <Dr_willis> Im not sure thats even doable at all.
[16:59] <DreadKnight> persen_: upgrade distro first
[16:59] <dpwilson> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51671/
[16:59] <mneisen|on_other> ferent: you r welcome
[16:59] <mneisen|on_other> !
[16:59] <stdin> persen_: KDE4 is only available in Gutsy and Hardy
[16:59] <persen_> Ok
[16:59] <Dr_willis> dpwilson,  why do you have such a weird drive layout?
[17:00] <dpwilson> well, I dont really know what I am doing
[17:00] <Dr_willis> dpwilson,  you still need to see where the 2 filesystems of type 'Linux' are mounted to. You may have one as a /home and the other as /
[17:00] <dpwilson> I tried to install once and it wouldnt let me, then I tried again and it worked
[17:01] <Dr_willis> I would suggest backing up everything thats imporntant then. :)
[17:01] <subopt> What is the package update thingie called?
[17:01] <dpwilson> will do, will backup and re-install all
[17:01] <stdin> you mean adept?
[17:02] <dpwilson> thanks Dr_willis
[17:02] <subopt> stdin: i mean the little thing that used to be in my system tray that listed all the packages that had available updates, and let me apply them? Don't know what the name was?
[17:02] <Dr_willis> dpwilson,  its still worth learning HOW mounting of filesystems work. :)
[17:02] <subopt> s/was?/was.
[17:02] <dpwilson> where could I read up more on that|?
[17:02] <stdin> subopt: adept_notifier
[17:02] <subopt> stdin: thanks
[17:03] <august_> how do you know the roots password?
[17:03] <jussi01> !root | august_
[17:03] <ubotu> august_: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[17:04] <inaety> what makes the panel in the kde4? plasma right?  for some reason when i started kde4 for the second time the panel isn't visible however i can use the plasma widgets
[17:04] <august_> ive got no clue of what youre talking about but ill check the link
[17:05] <jussi01> august_: there is no root password. if you need root priviledges use sudo before the command
[17:05] <SSJ_GZ> inaety: http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Where_has_my_panel_disappeared_to.3F.21
[17:06] <inaety> SSJ_GZ: kde4 emergency faq haha
[17:06] <SSJ_GZ> :)
[17:06]  * inaety adds to fav
[17:06] <ender> anyone else's sessions not saving w/ KDE4.0?
[17:06] <inaety> SSJ_GZ: it says there such file or directory as that
[17:07] <SSJ_GZ> inaety: What is the output of echo $KDEHOME ?
[17:07] <stdin> inaety: make sure you include the * bit
[17:08] <august_> ok but i have an other problem too... in the bottom of the screen the clock and the 4 display thing moved all the way to the left and if i minimize a program its not down there
[17:08] <inaety> stdin: it's included...and if i remember correctly you made the kde4 packages for kubuntu..thanks a lot they rock
[17:08] <stdin> :)
[17:08] <inaety> SSJ_GZ: just $KDEHOME?
[17:08] <inaety> SSJ_GZ: ~/.kde
[17:08] <SSJ_GZ> inaety: echo $KDEHOME
[17:08] <inaety> 4
[17:09] <inaety> ./kde4**
[17:09] <SSJ_GZ> inaety: Hmmm - try "~/.kde4/" instead of $KDEHOME
[17:09] <inaety> that worked
[17:09] <inaety> so log out?
[17:10] <inaety> stdin: maybe you'd know this...but why is it so difficult to like use the desktop.  why can't i just right click on a tar.gz and hit extract here?
[17:10] <inaety> and other various things
[17:10] <SSJ_GZ> inaety: You should have logged out before doing tha :)
[17:10] <SSJ_GZ> +t
[17:10] <Dr_willis> I noticed that kde4 radicially changes the way the desktop works also.. :) i bet people will hate that.
[17:11] <Dr_willis> So i just removed all the stuff off it. :)
[17:11] <inaety> brb
[17:11] <Dr_willis> We dont want icons for files ont he desktop! we need the space for WIdgets! and Desklets, or whatever they are called this week.
[17:12] <yao_ziyuan> what is the commonly used cross-platform compressed archive format that supports unicode filenames?
[17:12] <inaety> SSJ_GZ: that worked thank you
[17:12] <SSJ_GZ> inaety: Excellent - I've updated the FAQ
[17:12] <Dr_willis> What are they called under kde4? Plasmids? or was that from BioShock?
[17:12] <DreadKnight> Dr_willis: i love that actually! really hated desktop icons ... computer noobs tend to use them a lot :|
[17:12] <adz21c> plasmoids
[17:12] <DreadKnight> plasmoids (widgets)
[17:12] <underdog5004> Dr_willis: plasmoids
[17:12] <inaety> yeah this plasma stuff is annoying
[17:12] <SSJ_GZ> DreadKnight: aseigo hates them too :)
[17:12] <Dr_willis> DreadKnight,  you dont want to know the # of peoples machines ive seen with 1000+ icons on the desktop
[17:12] <inaety> or well no, confusing
[17:13] <Dr_willis> move them.. and they get lost.
[17:13] <Dr_willis> BioShockOS :)
[17:13] <DreadKnight> Dr_willis: true... and most of them unused icons xD
[17:13] <Dr_willis> Plasmoids just sounds.. weird..  Plasmids seems eaier to say.
[17:13] <inaety> SSJ_GZ: oh tight...the konqueror4 flash thing, is that a known bug?
[17:14] <DreadKnight> inaety: very known, screw adobe
[17:14] <SSJ_GZ> I know there are some issues with Konqueror and Flash, but don't really know much about it :/
[17:14] <inaety> DreadKnight: yeah but is essential
[17:14] <inaety> SSJ_GZ: it fully doesn't work
[17:14] <DreadKnight> inaety: hope gnash and klash will do the job pretty soon
[17:14] <Dr_willis> From what i hear Flash and Konqwueror - has some nasty issues..
[17:15] <DreadKnight> i've heard the flash thingy is fixed in hardy
[17:15] <inaety> DreadKnight: oh? but hardy is released for a months still
[17:15] <Dr_willis> I think flash has became the  'defacto wiget-thanggie' that java was supposed to become..
[17:15] <Dr_willis> Its geting sad when every web site i visit has 5+ flash ads.
[17:16] <DreadKnight> Dr_willis: i agree
[17:16] <Dr_willis> at least i rarely see actual popups any more, or popunders, or the other annoying ad tricks that were tried over theyears.
[17:17] <Dr_willis> Did see a site that tried todisable the right click button. :) so the wife couldent save some pics..
[17:17] <Dr_willis> Had to show her how to use noscript to fix that.
[17:17] <inaety> Dr_willis: that's a clever trick though
[17:17] <DreadKnight> Dr_willis: it's java right? you can disable it and proceed with saving images xD
[17:17] <adz21c> Anyone know where I report bugs to kubuntu?
[17:18] <DreadKnight> javascript* actually
[17:18] <Dr_willis> just a silly javascript thing.
[17:18] <Dr_willis> lets bring back bouncy-status bar messages! and little things that foloow the mouse pointer!
[17:18] <DreadKnight> Dr_willis: konqueror has in the menus to uncheck javascript and it does the trick
[17:19] <Dr_willis> I wonder if tehers a web site with the 'history of annoying web page programing gimmics over the ages'  :)
[17:19] <DreadKnight> Dr_willis: there should be :)
[17:19] <inaety> is uh Koffice 2.0 alpha 5 useable?
[17:19] <adz21c> sign up to digg, they pop up every so often
[17:21] <DreadKnight> just imagine kubuntu 8.04 with some polished kde 4.1 and koffice 2 xD
[17:21] <subopt> I just ran adept_notifier and it couldn't commit the changes, because of some dependency conflicts. However, it's offering to do a version upgrade, which i assume means going from Kubuntu 7.10 to Kubuntu x.yy. Is this typically a bomb-proof process?
[17:21] <zubat> Hey, if i where to install KDE on ubuntu would I experience the same performance as kubuntu would give me
[17:21] <DreadKnight> zubat: yes
[17:21] <zubat> cool thanks just checking
[17:22] <inaety> DreadKnight: have you used Kopete 0.5?
[17:22] <DreadKnight> inaety: kopete-kde4 ?
[17:22] <inaety> yeah, they tell me it's 0.5
[17:22] <DreadKnight> inaety: it's unpolished like hell and you can't connect to jabber/gtalk :(
[17:23] <dick-richardson> How do you autorun applications in kde4? I had scripts and links under ~/.kde/Autostart - is there similar in kde4?
[17:23] <adz21c> dick-richardson: i believe its the same
[17:23] <inaety> DreadKnight: it's pretty sick for me. i don't use jabber/gtalk though.  is there a place where i can submit bugs for it?
[17:23] <inaety> i have a few
[17:23] <DreadKnight> dick-richardson: ,kde4......
[17:24] <DreadKnight> inaety: well, i seen reports at launchpad
[17:24] <DreadKnight> ve*
[17:24] <DreadKnight> inaety: do you have a launchpad account?
[17:25] <inaety> DreadKnight: don't think so i remember submitting a bug a long time ago but that was on a different name...ill register again. launchpad.net?
[17:25] <dick-richardson> DreadKnight: thank you!
[17:26] <inaety> DreadKnight: oh wait it's under inaety, then yes i have an account...hah
[17:26] <DreadKnight> inaety: www.launchpad.net
[17:26] <DreadKnight> inaety: great :)
[17:27] <DreadKnight> inaety: as far as i know it's the kde policy/requirement for all the apps to be hosted and have the tracker at the kde site... but seen submissions in launchpad too, since it's kubuntu related after all..
[17:27] <DreadKnight> imho, gnome and kde should move to launchpad xD
[17:28] <inaety> DreadKnight: well if launchpad is the place to put it then i will put it there. i doubt the kde developers will just ignore the bugs on launchpad if they aren't on their site
[17:28] <dick-richardson> there isn't an Autostart directory under .kde4...will it recognize it  if added?
[17:28] <stdin> dick-richardson: try it and see
[17:29] <inaety> DreadKnight: is there like a kopete section
[17:29] <DreadKnight> inaety: put kopete-kde4 as binary package hint
[17:30] <inaety> DreadKnight: uh right now i see kopete-kde4 under Ubuntu in the package name when i hit report a bug
[17:30] <DreadKnight> inaety: i think kopete is part of kdenetwork-kde4
[17:31] <inaety> DreadKnight: oh and these aren't technically bugs..Kopete doesn't crash just there are things wrong with it
[17:31] <DreadKnight> inaety: kubuntu = ubuntu with KDE
[17:31] <inaety> DreadKnight: really? i wasn't sure
[17:31] <ender> Yeah, they're not bugs...they are features
[17:31] <DreadKnight> inaety: still bugs, just make sure they haven't submited before.. if so... confirm the bugs by posting a comment...
[17:32] <inaety> mkay
[17:32] <DreadKnight> inaety: kubuntu and ubuntu have the same repository, just different desktop enviroments
[17:32] <inaety> DreadKnight: i knwo that
[17:35] <giuseppe_> hi, anyone can tell me why sometimes qhen I try to turn off  my notebook happens that my pc remains turn on?
[17:35] <persen__> When i click the "Version upgrade" button in Adept Manager, the "Downloading and verifying the upgrade tool..." message shows forever (hangs)..  Anyone experienced this?
[17:36] <persen__> Im upgrading from feisty to gutsy
[17:36] <jlm> Quick kde4 question:  I
[17:36] <jlm> I've been trying to figure out how to configure plasma... any pointers?
[17:37] <emilsedgh> jlm: there is no GUI for configuring plasma, you could edit rc files
[17:37] <jlm> Ahh... ok... that's what I starting to wonder...
[17:37] <emilsedgh> Next Question :P
[17:37] <RadiantFire> jlm: plasma came out a few minutes short of golden brown, gui config comes in 4.1 I think
[17:38] <emilsedgh> RadiantFire: it will come in future 4.0 versions too
[17:38] <inaety> DreadKnight: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork-kde4/+bug/182349 w00t
[17:38] <jlm> :)
[17:38] <RadiantFire> spectacular
[17:38] <jlm> K... thanks guys... just googlin for this wasn't turning up anything very quickly...
[17:38] <ody> hi all, so isnt there any solution for the flash plugin?
[17:38] <Flare183> !flash
[17:38] <ciacon> Hi Folks - I have freshly installed Kubuntu 7.10 - I have problems setting up my Intersil Corporation ISL3886 [Prism Javelin/Prism Xbow] (rev 01) - what can I best do?? my googling didn't really help much
[17:38] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[17:39] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[17:39] <ody> cheers
[17:41] <blkorpheus> is there any way to make this kde4 panel smaller?
[17:41] <appelza> Hi guys
[17:41] <stdin> blkorpheus: not yet
[17:42] <appelza> Is there some sort of xorg configurator?  My monitor is on auto detect and using the restricted nvidia drivers, 8600GTS but I can't select all my refresh rates/resolutions
[17:42] <appelza> (kubuntu 7.10)
[17:44] <ender> Appelza: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg isn't working for you?
[17:44] <DreadKnight> inaety: gj :)
[17:44] <blkorpheus> stdin: ty
[17:44] <appelza> will try
[17:45] <DreadKnight> appelza: just choose manually a predefined one "lcd 1024x768" for example
[17:45] <blkorpheus> appelza: I JUST now fixed that issue with mine
[17:45] <blkorpheus> I think I got lucky with my xorg
[17:45] <DreadKnight> appelza: well, choose according to your needs :D
[17:45] <appelza> mind pasting your xorg.conf somewhere then incase I dont win, blkorpheus ? :)
[17:45] <blkorpheus> appelza: I'll pastebin my xorg.conf if you'd like?
[17:45] <appelza> awesome, yeah please
[17:45] <blkorpheus> :)
[17:47] <DreadKnight> appelza: http://pastebin.org/15082
[17:47] <blkorpheus> appelza: its not the prettiest
[17:47] <DreadKnight> appelza: i made it recently for someone else :D
[17:47] <blkorpheus> http://pastebin.com/dc494881
[17:47] <inaety> DreadKnight: have you had trouble installing okular, i get this when i try http://pastebin.com/m394a740c
[17:48] <andreas_> hello
[17:48] <DreadKnight> inaety: i got okular-kde4 installed from kde4 :P
[17:48] <andreas_> i have a queston
[17:48] <appelza> thanks guys
[17:48] <andreas_> what program can i use to capture some video with my webcam?
[17:48] <DreadKnight> andreas_: cheese
[17:48] <appelza> stdin: is kde4 available through universe yet or do I have to add the extra source to the list?
[17:49] <appelza> err..anyone can answer that, sorry :]
[17:49] <andreas_> cheese?
[17:49] <andreas_> is it a good one?
[17:49] <stdin> appelza: it should mostly be in -backports by now
[17:49] <DreadKnight> appelza: only some packages as far as i know...
[17:49] <NeoFax> Anyone here using uswsusp?
[17:49] <inaety> DreadKnight: that's not even fair
[17:50] <appelza> thanks
[17:50] <DreadKnight> inaety: sudo apt-get install okular-kde4
[17:50] <DreadKnight> inaety: not okular :D
[17:50] <drcode> hi all
[17:51] <inaety> DreadKnight: i got it now, thanks a lot! i've been waiting for okular really more than any other kde4 program
[17:51] <inaety> besides koffice and kopete
[17:51] <drcode> I am using kubuntu 7.10,  I want to run aiglx or xgl, I don't see kde xgl only gnome , any idea?
[17:51] <DreadKnight> inaety: hehe, i think it's great.. just that the icons on the left are to abbusive...
[17:52] <DreadKnight> inaety: kopete is scary right now :( koffice2.. i can barely wait
[17:52] <inaety> DreadKnight: kopete is good right now, it's improved but looks a little overlooked. koffice will be sick im thinking about getting the alpha.  for me koffice 1.xx were bad
[17:53] <appelza> cool, going to try restart x server then :]
[17:54] <DreadKnight> inaety: i've been using kword for a few days and it has issues :(...
[17:54] <DreadKnight> oh well, breaktime over...
[17:55] <inaety> DreadKnight: the alpha? i want to use kword because i like Qt so much but it doesn't turn out the way i want to.  for instance it starts off with Sans at size 8 because thats my default font which is completely atrocious with a document and Times New Roman at 12 looks like crap when i print it
[17:55] <DreadKnight> inaety: i meant with 1.x.x.. haven't tried any of the 2.x.x
[17:57] <inaety> DreadKnight: do you get the same issue?
[17:57] <appelza> meh
[17:57] <inaety> maybe it's my font DPI settings but i can't print a document and have it look decent
[17:57] <appelza> Selected my samsung 900p from the list, but still dont have correct refresh rates
[17:59] <DreadKnight> inaety: i have all sorts of issues like that ...
[17:59] <Blueskaj> appelza, relogin after applying your res and refresh rate changes
[17:59] <appelza> anyone wanna have a look at my xorg.conf?
[17:59] <SpookyET> hi
[18:00] <appelza> i have relogged, but I dont see the refresh rates in the drop down as I should
[18:00] <SpookyET> I have downloaded KDE 4.0. I'm totally disappointed in the release. I understand that software is never ready, but this thing is really not ready. It sucks.
[18:00] <inaety> DreadKnight: okay good maybe another bug report :P, you said you had to get back to work, so ill stop bothering you thanks for all help
[18:00] <llutz> inaety: kde4.0 wasn't made to be used in production.systems, its for developpers and testers, so what do you expect?
[18:00] <DreadKnight> SpookyET: yeah.. its somewhat a joke... should be in alpha :)
[18:01] <DreadKnight> inaety: hehe :D well, you should try the alpha if you mean bugreports for koffice 1.x.... try the alpha and make reports ;)
[18:01] <SpookyET> DreadKnight: It's not complete. How do you even resize the fat bar at the bottom?
[18:01] <DreadKnight> SpookyET: you can't
[18:01] <SpookyET> Maybe, they have NASA size screens, I don't
[18:02] <DreadKnight> SpookyET: :))
[18:02] <DreadKnight> SpookyET: virtual reality man
[18:02] <adz21c> resizing panels from gui has not been implemented
[18:02] <SpookyET> More like weed reality.
[18:02] <inaety> llutz: we are talking about koffice 1.xx
[18:02] <inaety> DreadKnight: all right ill give it go
[18:03] <llutz> @ SpookyET , sry inaety
[18:03] <inaety> llutz: oh all right no problem
[18:03] <DreadKnight> inaety: let me know how it turns out :) guess if you compile from source it takes a couple of hours...
[18:03] <inaety> llutz: i was like wth :P
[18:03] <inaety> DreadKnight: oh wonderful
[18:03] <inaety> and i will
[18:04] <DreadKnight> inaety: good luck with it
[18:04] <DreadKnight> inaety: perhaps tomorow you will able to share your experience  :)
[18:04] <adz21c> hey i am running eclipse 3.2 under ubuntu 7.10 x64. I am trying to get visual editor to work, but it fails with this message "IWAV0138E Remote VM terminated too soon." Any ideas why this is happening? Cheers
[18:04] <inaety> DreadKnight: perhaps
[18:04] <inaety> thanks
[18:04] <DreadKnight> :)
[18:05] <andreas_> hey whenever i run camorama i get an error cannot connect to /dev/video0
[18:05] <andreas_> my camera is built in my dell laptop
[18:05] <andreas_> why do i get that error?????
[18:05] <appelza> could anyone please look at my xorg.conf and tell me why I cant choose 1152x864@85hz (or even 75 for that matter)
[18:05] <appelza> http://pastebin.com/m680d16b3
[18:09] <Dr_willis> andreas_,  most likely the camera has no linux support, or the proper module forit is not loaded
[18:10] <andreas_> the camera has linux support because on Kopete it works
[18:10] <giuseppe_> giuseppe
[18:10] <andreas_> is there a way to see where my camera is mounted?
[18:10] <Dr_willis> andreas_,  it might not be at /dev/video0 then perhaps?
[18:10] <andreas_> that's what i say
[18:10] <andreas_> how can i check?
[18:10] <Dr_willis> normally one dosetn mount video cameras.
[18:11] <Dr_willis> andreas_,  look at /de/video* see what else is there. check dmesg output.
[18:11] <andreas_> what if it is in /dev/vid0 or /dev/video1?
[18:11] <Dr_willis> then you set the settings for the program to look in the right place I guess.
[18:11] <giuseppe_> hi, anyone can tell me why sometimes when I try to turn off  my notebook happens that it remains turn on?
[18:11] <andreas_> so what command should i run?
[18:11] <pascal_> muh
[18:12] <blkorpheus> appelza: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/kwin/COMPOSITE_HOWTO
[18:12] <Dr_willis> andreas_,  to do what part? :) dmesg - shows the dmesg output tha may have sime info on the device. ls -l /dev/vid* will list all video devices
[18:13] <Dr_willis> I have severl /dev/vide* devices - from my tv tuner card.
[18:13] <andreas_> crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2008-01-12 13:59 /dev/video0
[18:13] <andreas_> so what does that mean?
[18:13] <Dr_willis> that meand you have a single video device looks like. /dev/video0
[18:14] <andreas_> then why does the program not connect to the cam?
[18:14] <Dr_willis> so i got no other ideas then to check the program/docs/faq.  This is abut the extent of my webcam knowledge.
[18:14] <andreas_> does it have to do with the permissions?
[18:14] <Dr_willis> Normally only one progarm will be accessing that thing at a time. be sure you are not running both at the same time, could try running it as root also.
[18:14] <Dr_willis> well i am off to get cigs. BBl.
[18:17] <PJC> anyone else's adept manager hanging at 99% of fetching headers in KDE4?
[18:20] <inaety> is there an ark for kd4?
[18:20] <inaety> kde4
[18:20] <inaety> nvm
[18:20] <PJC> its under utilities > file
[18:27] <LiveCDUser> umm stupid question to ask but, how can i add MP3 PLayer sync support to Linux?
[18:29] <inaety> LiveCDUser: what mp3 is it
[18:29] <inaety> iPod? MTP?
[18:29] <inaety> !mp3
[18:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:30] <inaety> egh nothing there
[18:31] <LiveCDUser> MTP
[18:31] <LiveCDUser> my bad had to rush to teh door
[18:32] <subopt> I just ran adept_notifier and it couldn't commit the changes, because of some dependency conflicts. However, it's offering to do a version upgrade, which i assume means going from Kubuntu 7.10 to Kubuntu x.yy. Is this typically a bomb-proof process?
[18:32] <inaety> LiveCDUser: you need libmtp support
[18:32] <inaety> and you can use amaroK to connect to it
[18:34] <blkorpheus> is there anyway to get the default widgets back on th epanel?
[18:35] <blkorpheus> I keep borking my panel trying to get widgets on the desktop
[18:36] <blkorpheus> well nvm, the whole DE crashed, wipin out the wallpaper and resetting the panel
[18:37] <blkorpheus> but it still looks cool
[18:37] <blkorpheus> and it did not restart X at least
[18:37] <ryanrk> Is there an easy noob way (gui) way of add an NFS share to my desktop
[18:37] <ryanrk> i'm trying to use konqueror but i can't seem to get that to work
[18:43] <ghed> hi
[18:43] <ghed> hi kristjan
[18:45] <appelza> Cool, got my refresh rate etc working
[18:45] <ryanrk> Is there an easy noob way (gui) way of add an NFS share to my desktop
[18:46] <Botulinux> hello everybody, I just installed kde4 and I have big prblems with the fonts ex. extremly large windows title, extremly small menu text
[18:46] <Botulinux> no luck with the system preferences
[18:46] <subopt> How safe is the Version Upgrade process in adept_notifier? I've got a lot of work deadlines looming, and can't afford to spend all day fixing a bad upgrade, or re-installing from scratch.
[18:46] <subopt> (Running 7.10 now.)
[18:46] <voonte> Botulinux: Did you set the correct dpi?
[18:48] <Botulinux> ehm where is this setting? with kde3 it's all right
[18:49] <stdin> Botulinux: look in system settings -> appearance
[18:50] <Botulinux> ok, i'll log to kde4 and try, which value should I have (19'' monitor)?
[18:51] <stdin> Botulinux: I don't know, try a few numbers and see how they look
[18:53] <Botulinux> ok, btw I'm tryng to look at the config files, i found this in kdeglobals:
[18:53] <Botulinux> [$Version]
[18:53] <Botulinux> update_info=socks.upd:kde3.0/r1
[18:53] <Botulinux> [General]
[18:53] <Botulinux> desktopFont=Sans Serif,14,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[18:53] <Botulinux> fixed=Monospace,16,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[18:54] <Botulinux> font=Sans Serif,18,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[18:54] <Botulinux> menuFont=Sans Serif,14,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[18:54] <Botulinux> smallestReadableFont=Sans Serif,12,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[18:54] <Botulinux> taskbarFont=Sans Serif,14,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[18:54] <Botulinux> toolBarFont=Sans Serif,14,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[18:54] <Botulinux> [WM]
[18:54] <Botulinux> activeFont=Sans Serif,14,-1,5,75,0,0,0,0,0
[18:54] <selckin> !paste
[18:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[18:54] <Botulinux> ok, sorry
[18:55] <console_jockey> I wanted to contribute some information relating to an issue I've had for the last week or so while attempting to playback mp3's.  I discovered that at some point libxine1-ffmpeg 1.1.8 was installed which broke xine, vlc, amarok and noatun playback.  I restored libxine1-ffmeg 1.1.7 and they are now working.  Is this something suitable for a factoid or someplace I can post this information for others?
[18:55] <voonte> Botulinux: did you try to set a fixed DPI in systemsettings / appearances?
[18:55] <console_jockey> note: my installation is kubuntu gutsy...
[18:56] <Botulinux> going to try
[18:56] <voonte> Also, what does: grep -i DPI /var/log/Xorg.0.log   tell you? It will hopefully let you know which dpi you're running now
[18:56] <Botulinux> 72
[19:00] <kubuntu_> hola?
[19:00] <vamsi> Hello all.
[19:00] <vamsi> i am having trouble viewing youtube/google videos/any flash video in firefox
[19:00] <kubuntu_> speak in spanish in this room?
[19:00] <vamsi> flash player is installed properly
[19:01] <kubuntu_> alguien habla español?
[19:01] <vamsi> and the video plays too
[19:01] <voonte> !es
[19:01] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[19:01] <kubuntu_> ok gracias =)
[19:01] <vamsi> only problem is that the flash video plays very slowly breaks every frame
[19:01] <the-erm> How to put this into words ...
[19:01] <stdin> console_jockey: please post that to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xine-lib/+filebug
[19:02] <vamsi> can somebody please help me with this?
[19:03] <jhutchins> vamsi: What are your hardware specs?
[19:03] <vamsi> jhutchins: pentium 3 866mhz processor 384mb ram and intel 82810 graphics card
[19:04] <ader10> Help me please, when I try to start KDE, nothing pops up except for this error dialog: "Call to lnusertemp failed (temporary directories full?). Check your installation" I've been trying at this for about 6 hours with no luck.
[19:05] <stdin> ader10: sounds like your /tmp is full, which normally means you have used all the space on /
[19:05] <ader10> stdin: It's not. If you don't believe me I"ll show you my df output
[19:05] <Dr_willis> sure its not been mounted read only?
[19:06] <ader10> yes
[19:06] <Dr_willis> why dont you tell us What yoyu have checked then... :)
[19:06] <Dr_willis> thet will be faster then us guessing/you replying.. nope.. not that. :)
[19:07] <ader10> Assume I haven't checked anything, because in my past experience it's something small that's overlooked
[19:07] <Dr_willis> Last time i had a similer message. My Main hd was going bad and the system remounted read only. The Mount command will show if its that.
[19:07] <ader10> sorry if I'm being kind of demanding/hard to work with
[19:07] <vamsi> Can somebody please help me with this flashplayer issue
[19:07] <Dr_willis> try wriging a rile to the users home dir.
[19:07] <Dr_willis> try writing a FILE to the users home dir.  I mean.
[19:07] <biovore> !flash
[19:07] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[19:07] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[19:07] <nexamac> !topic
[19:07] <stdin> ader10: do you have separate partitions for /home / or /var ?
[19:07] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[19:08] <ader10> stdin: all in /
[19:08] <ader10> stdin: I mean all in one partition
[19:08] <vamsi> ubotu: flash is installed. flash actually works fine on my firefox. problem is that flash videos do not play properly they break almost every frame
[19:08] <Dr_willis> Iwould see if the user can make a file in /home/USERNAME, then try making a file in /tmp, it could be the permissions on /tmp got messed up.
[19:08] <ader10> Dr_willis: http://pastebin.com/m39bfb7f8
[19:09] <stdin> ader10: what's the permissions on /tmp, /tmp-(your user name), /var/tmp and /var/tmp/kdecache-(your user name) ?
[19:09] <ader10> Dr_willis: david@david-desktop:~$ touch /tmp/hi
[19:09] <ader10> david@david-desktop:~$
[19:09]  * marcx_away is back.
[19:09] <stdin> vamsi: ubotu is a bot
[19:10] <stdin> !away > marcx
[19:10] <nexamac> !ubotu
[19:10] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[19:10] <Dr_willis> ader10,  try making a new user. see if the problem affects them also.
[19:10] <nexamac> :<
[19:10] <vamsi> stdin: thanks. just came to know about that.
[19:11] <vamsi> stdin: can you please help me with my flash issue?
[19:11] <ader10> Dr_willis: :S the owner of /tmp is david (my account) and /var/tmp is 777
[19:11] <NexaMac> vamsi: did you try googling?
[19:11] <stdin> vamsi: I don't know what the issue is
[19:11] <stdin> ader10: the owner of /tmp is you??
[19:11] <Dr_willis> drwxrwxrwt  19 root root  4096 2008-01-12 14:11 tmp
[19:11] <NexaMac> stdin: he told the bot ;P
[19:12] <Dr_willis> Thats who owns my tmp. if david owns temp then only david can write to it.. the other apps may be trying to write to it as some other service/user
[19:12] <ader10> stdin: yes, because someone either on #kde or here told me to
[19:12] <ader10> Dr_willis: david owns tmp, but it's 777
[19:12] <stdin> NexaMac: yes, and anything you say to the bot that has the word "is" in it get's forwarded to the operators channel...
[19:12] <Dr_willis> that sounds like a big security type issue to me.
[19:12] <ader10> Dr_willis: someone on either here or #kde told me to try that, so that's not the problem :(
[19:13] <NexaMac> stdin: [20:08] <vamsi> ubotu: flash is installed. flash actually works fine on my firefox. problem is that flash videos do not play properly they break almost every frame
[19:13] <vamsi> stdin: i have a p3 866mhz with 384mb ram and intel 82810 graphics card. i can play video files fine. flash in firefox works fine too. but the problem is flash videos in firefox. they do not play well.
[19:13] <Dr_willis> we are not even sure its /tmp's problem. that error message suggested it MIGHT be a /tmp issue.
[19:13] <NexaMac> so basically, flash works, but it doesnt.
[19:13] <stdin> NexaMac: yes thanks, but I can read :)
[19:13] <NexaMac> ..
[19:13] <NexaMac> ill just google some for you vamsi
[19:13] <ader10> Dr_willis: what if it isn't a /tmp problem?
[19:14] <vamsi> NexaMac: google did not help me much. most of the hits were to flash player installation issues
[19:14] <Dr_willis> ader10,  thats why i suggested making a new user and seeifn if it works for them..
[19:14] <ader10> Dr_willis: alright...
[19:14] <Dr_willis> ader10,  if it works for a new user, but not the old one.. that suggests tio me that its a user setting file that got messed up
[19:14] <ader10> Dr_willis: I expect the same error though but I'll try it
[19:14] <NexaMac> vamsi: www.altavista.com "flash works" +"skip frame" probably does the trick
[19:14] <Dr_willis> of course with the 'other' fix's youve tried on /tmp that MAY cause issues with the other users
[19:14] <NexaMac> naw it idnt :>
[19:14] <NexaMac> didnt*
[19:15] <ader10> Dr_willis: trying it now, brb
[19:15] <flami> Hi , I wanted to know if the Kubuntu Cd you can download is a live cd like the Ubuntu Cd or if its still like debian when you start it
[19:15] <NexaMac> flami: its live
[19:15] <flami> thanks
[19:16] <NexaMac> np
[19:16] <Dr_willis>  lnusertemp — tool to create KDE resources and symlinks to them
[19:16] <Dr_willis> i wonder if some file its tring to make/link allready exists.
[19:16] <NexaMac> vamsi: http://www.actionscript.org/forums/printthread.php3?t=28670&pp=40 <--- check the VERY bottom
[19:16] <NexaMac> sound like your issue?
[19:17] <vamsi> NexaMac: thanks, checking the actionscript.org forum now
[19:17] <olimpico> How can I change the size of the panel on KDE4
[19:17] <ader10> Dr_willis: you are correct, my user "asdf" works fine.
[19:17] <olimpico> ???
[19:18] <ader10> Dr_willis: Thanks for helping me out this far, but how can I log in with my normal account daviv?
[19:18] <ader10> david*
[19:18] <Dr_willis> ader10,  lnusertemp makes some links it seems from the users dir, to other places. those files may have gotten their permissions wrong
[19:18] <SSJ_GZ> olimpico: http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Why_can.27t_I_auto-hide.2F_resize_the_panel.3F__Can_I_add_a_new_panel.3F
[19:18] <Dr_willis> i would say clean out your other users .kde dir (or just move it) then move the settings back one by one that you need
[19:18] <vamsi> NexaMac: "To achieve this, import a sound onto your _root timeline, and set it to stream. also turn the volume of it right down, so you cant hear it." How can I do that?
[19:19] <flami> Oh I forgot ... is ntfs-3g preinstalled  ?
[19:19] <NexaMac> vamsi: google ;D
[19:19] <ader10> Dr_willis: my other user = ?
[19:19] <NexaMac> dunno, im no guru honestly vamsi
[19:19] <Dr_willis> Note that just removing the .kde dir - will RESET kde totally to defaults.. and mwill delete your kmail stuff and all other kde tool settings
[19:19] <ader10> Dr_willis: that's good because I haven't had kde on this partition ever
[19:19] <ader10> Dr_willis: so I should just remove david's .kde dir?
[19:19] <Dr_willis> ader10,  if you dont care aboyt your .kde dir. just delete it or remove it.
[19:20] <Dr_willis> or rename it.. or zip it and send it to santa clause.. or...
[19:20] <ader10> Dr_willis: and you expect everything to be dandy after that?
[19:20] <Dr_willis> ader10,  ive had to reset kde this way befor.
[19:20] <Dr_willis> thats why i suggested the 'try a new user' test. :)
[19:20] <ader10> I'll send it to santa after the problem gets fixed :)
[19:20] <ader10> be right back
[19:22] <NickPresta> What are the differences between D3lphin in Kubuntu 7.10 and Dolphin, shipped with KDE 4?
[19:23] <SSJ_GZ> NickPresta: Dolphin is ported to KDE4 and much improved over D3lphin
[19:23] <NexaMac> vamsi: i gotta flee, gl tho, ill be back in like eh.. 5 hours :P
[19:23] <NexaMac> if ya havent got it working by then, shout out ;o
[19:23] <NickPresta> SSJ_GZ, so I might actually like using it in KDE 4? ;)
[19:23] <SSJ_GZ> NickPresta: You never know ;)
[19:23] <vamsi> NexaMac: thank you for your time. you gave me something to work on for now
[19:24] <Psycoshot> Hey what does:  mount: could not find any free loop device
[19:24] <Psycoshot> Mean?
[19:24] <NexaMac> vamsi: altavista > google ;)
[19:24] <|david|> how can i setup my network config on kde 4?
[19:25] <Dr_willis> Thers a kde4 network config tool i saw in the package manager.. it may not of gotten isntalled
[19:25] <ader10> Thank you Dr_willis, that fixed the problem! Apparently only root had permissions to .kde and .kde4
[19:25] <ader10> Dr_willis: I believe this is the 2nd time you've helped me :)
[19:26] <|david|> Dr_willis: is installed
[19:27] <Psycoshot> Does anyone know how to solve
[19:27] <Psycoshot> mount: could not find any free loop device
[19:27] <Dr_willis> Psycoshot,  how many you got mounted? I think theres a limit by default of like 8 or 16
[19:28] <Psycoshot> Oh. How do I unmount.
[19:28] <Dekkard> to anyone who worked on this kde4 release.. NIce!
[19:28] <Psycoshot> Dr_willis you are right.
[19:29] <Psycoshot> Dr_willis : What command should I use to unmount?
[19:29] <Mother_Goblin> Any one knows how to get more widgets on kde 4 ??
[19:29] <Mother_Goblin> umount /dev/device
[19:29] <Psycoshot> Th
[19:29] <Psycoshot> Ty*
[19:29] <Mother_Goblin> :D
[19:30] <Psycoshot> Mother_Goblin: It says its mounted multiple times? What command do I use then?
[19:32] <Psycoshot> Mother_Goblin: It says its mounted multiple times? What command do I use then?
[19:32] <Dr_willis> umount /media/whatever
[19:32] <Dr_willis> what did you do to mount them? :)
[19:32] <LamerMan> hi everyone! how can i make kubuntu save memory dumps after program crash?
[19:32] <Psycoshot> umount /mnt/iso
[19:32] <Psycoshot> umount: it seems /mnt/iso is mounted multiple times
[19:33] <Psycoshot> I used:
[19:33] <Dr_willis> why did you mount it several times? :)
[19:33] <Psycoshot> I didn't know it stayed mounted.
[19:33] <Psycoshot> I though it auto unmounted.
[19:33] <amministratore> buonasera
[19:33] <Psycoshot> hehe noob mistake.
[19:34] <Dr_willis> well it stays untill you reboot
[19:34] <Psycoshot> Oh ok.
[19:35] <Psycoshot> Reboot it is then...
[19:35] <Psycoshot> XD
[19:35] <Dr_willis> thats proberly the easiest way.
[19:35] <Psycoshot> Alright. Thanks.
[19:37] <Mother_Goblin> Any one knows how to get more widgets on kde 4 ?
[19:37] <Dr_willis> try kde-look.org ?
[19:37] <Dr_willis> Ive just about given up on kde4 for now. :)
[19:38] <Mother_Goblin> I'm liking !
[19:39] <stdin> Mother_Goblin: there are some in the extragear-plasma package, though they aren't as stable as the ones included
 thanks!
[19:40] <Mother_Goblin> will check it...
[19:40] <Mother_Goblin> worst case it will broke the widget right, and not all plasma?
[19:41] <stdin> it may crash plasma, but it should just restart. and it won't be a permanent break
[19:41] <whiteda> Mother_Goblin,  try it and see  - I lose all my plasma settings when it crashes
[19:41] <Mother_Goblin> :D
[19:41] <Mother_Goblin> Will, downloading!
[19:42] <whiteda> and they don't come back
[19:42] <Mother_Goblin> Nice job with the kde4 package!
[19:42] <Mother_Goblin> I crash it once too, and need to remove the .kde4 dir....
[19:43] <whiteda> yes removing .kde4 lets you start over again, but it is a sledgehammer solution
[19:44] <appelza> When Hardy gets released, do I simply do an apt-get update / apt-get upgrade on my gutsy install to upgrade?
[19:44] <appelza> BTW, coming from gentoo I really like kubuntu, good job
[19:44] <Mother_Goblin> whiteda: kkk
[19:44] <Mother_Goblin> are the best solutions normaly!
[19:46] <stdin> appelza: no, it'll be an option in Adept
[19:47] <appelza> stdin: oh ok, isnt adept just a front end to apt though?
[19:48] <appelza> or will it be a dist-upgrade option then if I wanted to use apt-get instead
[19:48] <Dr_willis> everything in linux seems to be a front end. :)
[19:48] <Dr_willis> I think at the bottom.. busybox is doing everything :P
[19:48] <stdin> appelza: it doesn't just do "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" when you upgrade, that won't work anyway
[19:49] <appelza> Ok cool, I'll use adept for that then
[19:49] <appelza> What do you think about normal apt-getting, or should I just use adept wherever possible?
[19:49] <appelza> (I've used debian before, thats why I'm already comfortable using apt)
[19:49] <stdin> use whatever you feel more comfortable using day-to-day
[19:50] <stdin> other than version upgrades, there's no real advantage to adept over apt for installing packages
[19:50] <appelza> Cool
[19:50] <appelza> Thanks
[19:50] <fonz> anyone else having icon issues with the kde4 livecds?
[19:51] <fonz> *live cd
[19:51] <Mother_Goblin> fonz: what kinf of issues?
[19:51] <Mother_Goblin> kind*
[19:52] <appelza> stdin: BTW, are you a kubuntu dev / kde dev or both?
[19:52] <appelza> :]
[19:52] <fonz> Mother_Goblin: a few icons are missing
[19:52] <stdin> appelza: depends on your definition of "dev" ;)
[19:53] <appelza> you seem to have created the kubuntu kde4 packages, and its on the official site.  I think that qualifies :P
[19:53] <fonz> Mother_Goblin: most noticeably, Dolphin, Konqueror, System Settings
[19:53] <Dr_willis> I wrote a wiki page the other day.. do i count? :)
[19:53] <stdin> fonz: it's a known issue
[19:54] <Mother_Goblin> fonz: itch.... Here is working, but is not live....
[19:54] <fonz> also, gwenview seems to crash on startup
[19:54] <hola> kPackage does not recognize root passwd, is it a bug?
[19:55] <stdin> hola: do you have a root password set?
[19:55] <jussi01> stdin: I have that same issue
[19:56] <fonz> jussi01: all of your icons show up in the kmenu?
[19:56] <Dr_willis> Hm. it worked here.. I DO have a root password set. :)
[19:56] <stdin> jussi01: kdesu (KDE4) is asking for the root pass, not the sudo pass
[19:56] <hola> stdin: the same I use with dke3
[19:56] <jussi01> stdin: ahh
[19:56] <hola> kde3
[19:56] <stdin> hola: kde3 version asks for the sudo pass
[19:57] <hola> the problem is in kde4
[19:57] <hola> kde3 wiorks fine
[19:57] <stdin> yes, that's my point
[19:58] <hola> stdin: i dont understand so
[19:59] <Dr_willis> so to get  kpackage working one souldd use 'kdesu kpackage' perhaps as a work around
[19:59] <stdin> hola: see https://launchpad.net/bugs/182319
[19:59] <stdin> Dr_willis: no "kdesudo"
[19:59] <Dr_willis> I never can rember all these name variations. :)
[20:00] <stdin> "kdesud" would use the kde4 version, as it's first in the $PATH
[20:00] <stdin> *"kdesu"
[20:00] <Dr_willis> so they changed it again from kde3 to 4 now?
[20:00] <stdin> no, kdesudo is something we made to fix several kdesu issues
[20:00]  * Dr_willis screams. :)
[20:01] <hola> Dr_willis: kpackage-kde4
[20:01] <stdin> kdesu is a wrapper around "su", kdesudo is a wrapper around "sudo", see what we did there? ;)
[20:01] <hola> Dr_willis: QMutex::lock: Deadlock detected in thread -1245604160
[20:01] <Dr_willis> Im going back to using sux :)
[20:05] <BluesKaj> hmm, run command disappeared in "4" , wonder what it's called now ?
[20:05] <Dr_willis> i saw it on the right click menu.. or are your refering to somthing different?
[20:05] <Mother_Goblin> run command is a need....
[20:06] <Dr_willis> I must be the only one that constantly has a terminal window open?
[20:07] <Mother_Goblin> Dr_willis: Sure not!
[20:07] <Dr_willis> well on the desktop right click. thers a 'run command' item. that then pops up a somewhat Ugly dialog box. :)
[20:08] <Dr_willis> then of course i ran konsole, and it gave me some odd error/info message, but konsole still ran.
[20:08] <Dr_willis> of course then the whole desktop crashed..
[20:08] <stdin> Dr_willis: that's krunner,and that is the "Run Command" dialog
[20:09] <morphine_> howdy folks, I'm wondering how to automatically mount a lvm partition using fstab
[20:09] <corinth> I don't seem to have any desktop icons in KDE 4. Any help?
[20:11] <Dr_willis> I dont have any either.. and i like it that way. :)
[20:12] <Dr_willis> What icons are you expecting?
[20:12] <GliderMike> While this is the initial release, and much is too come...anyone overall not that impressed by KDE4?
[20:12] <Dr_willis> GliderMike,  I agree there.
[20:12] <Dr_willis> Hmm
[20:13] <aantipop> my root's home is empty (/root) is that supposed to be like that ?
[20:13] <biovore> I think KDE4 has great potental..
[20:13] <Dr_willis> ktorrent 4 is givene me errors.. cant continue torrent.. too many open files.
[20:13] <Dr_willis> Thats.. odd
[20:13] <corinth> Dr_willis: the icons for my removable media and other partitions.
[20:13] <biovore> but I don;t think kde4 is ready for prim-time yet..
[20:13] <GliderMike> I agree, it really needs a few more point releases
[20:14] <theTheme> Hey everyone, I have a hardware question.  I have a laptop (Akoya EX) that is getting older now.  I noticed when I first switched over to Kubuntu it ran cooler than in windows and the fan ran less often, but now the opposit is happening the computer is getting hot and the fan is running but moving less air.  So, I have two questions really, Is the a way in Kubuntu to monitor system heat or make sure that everying is running
[20:14] <theTheme> effecientlty, or second where could I find a new fan for the laptop, or both
[20:15] <biovore> If there as a better subsystem for kde4 to run on.. I think it could top apple and windows..  just alsa kinda sucks and the graphics support is spoty on linux atm..  (Hopefully this will change)
[20:15] <GliderMike> theTheme: do you have processes that running a lot of CPU continuously?
[20:16] <Dr_willis> heh ktorrent4 just crashed.. or is it krashed?
[20:16]  * stdin points to #kubuntu-offtopic and reminds people that that's where non-support related discussion goes
[20:16] <amazon_> alguem do brasil
[20:16] <amazon_> ?
[20:16] <stdin> !br
[20:16] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[20:17] <theTheme> GliderMike: No, that used to be the case, but tonight I left it with nothing running and it was still quite hot, I have sysguard running and it diddn't look like anything was running.  I even had it propped up to increase the air circulation on the bottom
[20:17] <GliderMike> oops, didn't realize this was support only...my bad.
[20:18] <GliderMike> so it's running hot and with fan even with minimal CPU utilization, strange
[20:18] <amazon_> stdin: veio não tem ninguém nesses canais
[20:18] <amazon_> vc pode mim dar uma ajuda
[20:18] <amazon_> ?
[20:19] <theTheme> GliderMike: do you know anyway to monitor system temp in kubuntu?
[20:19] <appelza> Sweet
[20:19] <appelza> time to check out kde4!
[20:19] <appelza> :D
[20:19] <stdin> amazon_: #kubuntu is English language only
[20:21] <corinth> In KDE 3, there was a tool I could use to set what kind of devices would automatically have icons on the desktop., Where's the tool for this in KDE 4?
[20:27] <billybobobo> corinth: i thin k you add a Widget and when that pops openb, drag the Media one to the panel, or add to desktop
[20:28] <appelza> Niiice
[20:30] <BluesKaj> hmm, now my pw isn't accepted by the pkg managers ...needs root priveleges but won't recognize it
[20:30] <BluesKaj> in kde4
[20:30] <Dr_willis> i was about to say that billybobobo  I think the 'clutter of icons on the desktop' is being replaced with clutter of plasma widgets on the desktop. :)
[20:31] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  it wants the actual root user password. not the sudo password
[20:31] <BluesKaj> this thing is a screwup ...bigtime
[20:31] <Dr_willis> we were just discussiing thatlike 10 min ago.
[20:31] <BluesKaj> only used sudo pw with kde3 and never had a prob
[20:31] <Dr_willis>  kdesudo kpackage
[20:31] <BluesKaj> wasn't here 10 mins ago
[20:31] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  it dosent matter WHAT you did befor. :) theres an issue with kde4
[20:32] <Dr_willis> and you  are repeating the exact same stuff the other guy said.. hehheh
[20:32] <Dr_willis> 'it used to work' 'well now it dont' 'well it shoudl' 'well its not' :)
[20:32] <BluesKaj> I repeat ...I wasn't here
[20:32] <Dr_willis> i know. thats what makes it funny.
[20:33] <Dr_willis> i wonder if this will become the new #1 faq on kde4
[20:33] <BluesKaj> run command box disappeared
[20:33] <Dr_willis> look on the right click menu on the desktop
[20:33] <Dr_willis> and that seems to be faq #2 :)
 well on the desktop right click. thers a 'run command' item. that then pops up a somewhat Ugly dialog box. :)
 Dr_willis: that's krunner,and that is the "Run Command" dialog
[20:34] <Dr_willis> it ran the apps for me.. but seemed to spit out some odd error messages.
[20:34] <Dr_willis> but they ran. :P
[20:36] <LjL> what's a plausible reason why my "New session" (or whatever it's called) option disappeared from the K menu after messing with the KDE 4 packages? (or alternatively, where do you configure whether or not you have such an option?)
[20:37] <kendrick> hello
[20:37] <Level15> LjL: woa, I messed up with them but nothing happened :)
[20:38] <kendrick> so, i installed kde4-core on my kubuntu box, and when i login (to either KDE or KDE4 session types), i get a blank desktop and a window-border-less console :)
[20:38] <Level15> But I must say I am kind of dissapointed with kde4
[20:38] <wOzza> Anyone free to lend a hand to a noobie? Having a problem configuring Desktop effects on Kubuntu.
[20:38] <kendrick> i can run plasma-kde4, kwin-kde4, etc. but i'm wondering what package(s) i'm missing to get a usable desktop... and/or how to actually log back into my kde3.5 desktop :(
[20:39] <Level15> kendrick: go to a console, remove what you installed, remove the kde4 repository , do apt-get update and aptitude install kde
[20:39] <kendrick> level15: seriously? :(
[20:39] <kendrick> the page on the kubuntu site said i could run both parallel
[20:39] <Level15> kendrick: well, that should work :)
[20:39] <Level15> kendrick: you can
[20:39] <kendrick> and either run kde4 apps from kde3, or choose to log into kde4 directly
[20:39] <Level15> kendrick: actually, I am
[20:40] <kendrick> so what step did i miss? :)
[20:40] <Level15> kendrick: but it's not worth it
[20:40] <appelza> qt3 apps look quite different to qt4 apps from within kde4 or is it just me?
[20:40] <Level15> kendrick: i think I'll remove kde4
[20:40] <appelza> uglier :P
[20:40] <kendrick> i've since installed a number of other -kde4 stuff
[20:40] <Skyblast> appelza: Yeah, your KDE3 apps will use your KDE 3.5 theme settings
[20:40] <aantipop> has somebody else problems with the look of gtk apps on kde4 ?
[20:41] <appelza> Oh ok
[20:41] <aantipop> mine is so ugly, but that might be hardys fault ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4123120&postcount=21
[20:41] <appelza> I miss being able to drag my taskbar icons around though
[20:41] <appelza> and any ideas on where I can resize the taskbar / change its colours ?
[20:41] <kendrick> hrm, ok, i guess i have to go cook now
[20:41] <kendrick> :(
[20:41] <Dr_willis> appelza,  i dont think you can at this time
[20:41] <Level15> appelza: taskbar on kde4 is quite unconfigurable...
[20:41] <kendrick> cya
[20:42] <appelza> oh ok :<
[20:42] <Skyblast> Yeah
[20:42] <Skyblast> I think this KDE4 is more for all the devs of KDE software to get their software QT4'ed and looking nice in it rather than Joe User using it as a desktop environment
[20:43] <Skyblast> For Joe User like me... it's rather incomplete.
[20:43] <Level15> I think I'll wait at least untile kde 4.0.2 or something like that b4 i give it a try... yesterday it managed to freeze my box
[20:43] <Dr_willis> Skyblast,  you got it.. :)
[20:43] <Level15> Skyblast: agreed. And quite buggy
[20:43] <tmp> I have just downloaded alpha 3 but cannot open the Monitor&Display module (in System Settings). It says that libpython2.5.so is missing. The very same error existed in both alpha 1 and alpha 2. What is going on?! How can I load the display config module?
[20:43] <blkorpheus> kde4 does not work well with mythtv-frontend
[20:43] <Skyblast> I tried it out on a LiveCD... when it's all done and settled.. it's gonna be awesome
[20:43] <blkorpheus> this damnable panel prevents the frontend from taking fullscreen
[20:43] <Skyblast> But I'm not blowing up my physical install for it ;)
[20:43] <appelza> It's very fast
[20:43] <Dr_willis> blkorpheus,  heh.
[20:44] <blkorpheus> rendering the frontend, justabout useless
[20:44] <Dr_willis> i dident find kde4 'fast' at all.. it seemed real real real sluggish.
[20:44] <appelza> odd ;p
[20:44] <MilitantPotato> Window effects crawled for me
[20:44] <Level15> Skyblast: me neither. When 8.04 comes out, I think I'll try ubuntu (as opposed to kubuntu) for a while, just to have desktop effect. Then, when kde4 is working fine, i'll come back to kubuntu
[20:44] <Skyblast> Now I am happy about the fact that Kubuntu Hardy will still have 3.5 as an option :)
[20:44] <Dr_willis> Skyblast,  it better be the default. :P
[20:45] <Level15> 3.5 will be default i think
[20:45] <Level15> 4 will not have official support i think
[20:45] <blkorpheus> whoever is responsible for this panel, needs a talk to
[20:45] <blkorpheus> ;)
[20:46] <Dr_willis> blkorpheus,  i think its just another plasma/plasmoid :)
[20:46] <Level15> blkorpheus: yeah... the most unconfigurable of them all :(
[20:46] <parkin> i dont like plasma
[20:46]  * Dr_willis gives parkin  100cc of dog plasma.
[20:46] <Dr_willis> :) saw that cartoon just now.
[20:46] <Level15> parkin: oh, it will be nice... they just rushed to release b/c they were already late
[20:46] <blkorpheus> I really want to like this kde version
[20:46] <parkin> hope so :)
[20:46] <Dr_willis> Yep. Like all things ... theres always improvements.
[20:47] <Skyblast> I'm sure we will in time... Remember, it's got soooo much brand new stuff
[20:47] <blkorpheus> I'm patient
[20:47] <Level15> i remember when i used kde 2.0.0 on my slack 7 box... it was kind of messy also, b/c it had a lot of changes from 1 to 2... just like now from 3 to 4
[20:47] <blkorpheus> its nice looking, just need to get more functionality from it
[20:47] <blkorpheus> but I have not used KDE in 10 years
[20:48] <Level15> blkorpheus: that's a long time!
[20:48] <blkorpheus> I know
[20:48] <Skyblast> heheh.. well, if worse comes to worse, I don't hate gnome... just don't prefer it
[20:48] <blkorpheus> I can back because I wanted to try kde4
[20:49] <blkorpheus> and the livecds did not do it justice
[20:49] <NickPresta> Keep in mind, if KDE 4 is unsatisfactory, KDE 3.5.8 still works wonderfully.
[20:49] <Skyblast> Maybe it is just my experience at work talking, but I always associate gnome with server... KDE is more media centic, and desktop-like
[20:49] <Level15> hey, I read the other day that 8.04 will have installer option so that your partitions are LUKS encrypted AND you can use a USB drive to unlock them
[20:50] <Dr_willis> What no Tounge-Scanner Option?
[20:50] <Skyblast> lol
[20:50] <NickPresta> Dr_willis, that's coming in hardy+1 :)
[20:50] <Skyblast> In Icky Imp? ;)
[20:50] <Dr_willis> We all know we need better wallpaper support! and Video wallpaper!
[20:51] <blkorpheus> I have no desire to run kde 3.5.x
[20:51] <Skyblast> yeah, I wish KDE would do gif wallpaper
[20:51] <Skyblast> Even XP can do that. >_>
[20:51] <Dr_willis> thats whats imporntant in a desktop.
[20:51] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. ive selected gif files befor I think
[20:51] <TimS> I have no desire to run kde 4
[20:51]  * Dr_willis sides with TimS  for now
[20:51] <Skyblast> Dr_willis: you can do gif's yeah, but I mean animated gif's
[20:51] <TimS> yuuuuuuck
[20:51] <blkorpheus> TimS: why is that?
[20:52] <TimS> kde 3.5 does what I tell it to.
[20:52] <TimS> KDE 4 does nothing I tell it to
[20:52] <Dr_willis> I rember animated .iff files from years ago.
[20:52] <TimS> I dont want a fat pannel
[20:52] <TimS> I dont need pasmoids
[20:52] <Level15> I like plasmoids
[20:52] <Skyblast> Agreed
[20:53] <Skyblast> I was so confused when there were no "icons" on my desktop
[20:53] <Skyblast> just these weird things that looked like icons floating around
[20:53] <Level15> I'd like one that would show me a section of a website and refresh it every few minutes or so
[20:53] <TimS> They are nice, but I have no need for them, and there no way to turn them off.
[20:53] <NickPresta> and technically, you can have a video wallpaper. (mplayer -rootwin -loop 0 video.avi) :)
[20:53] <Dr_willis> Plasmids will be how all the stuff is done. i belive
[20:53] <Dr_willis> oops plasmoids.
[20:53] <Level15> TimS you can remove them all and lock it
[20:53] <Dr_willis> Im too used to the words used in BioShock
[20:54] <TimS> :p
[20:54] <TimS> Why is there a zoom out button, I dont get that.
[20:54] <TimS> It just shows white
[20:54]  * Dr_willis goes looking for a BigDaddy to steal some Adam.
[20:54] <NickPresta> Dr_willis, I believe you're looking for the little sister. She has the ADAM :)
[20:55] <TimS> When you change destops, it doesnt change plasmoids or wallpapers, just the applications. I would like for it to change plasmoids depending on what desktop you are on. Then I might find a use for them
[20:55] <Dr_willis> THat game is sooo... creepy in ways. :P)
[20:55] <Dr_willis> There will proerly be a desktop changing plasmoid that will do that..
[20:56] <TimS> KDE 4 is like KDE 3.9
[20:56] <TimS> When 4.1 comes out, I will think about switching, it will be the true KDE4, it will be un-rushed and bug free.
[20:57] <Dr_willis> Service Pack 1 for KDE4
[20:57] <TimS> :O
[20:57] <kristjan_> TimS: dream on
[20:57] <TimS> xD
[20:58] <ubuntu_> hello guys
[20:58] <Skyblast> All in due time... Lucky for me, I don't care about bleeding edge apps unless I need them. Heck, I still run dapper on my work PC ;)
[20:58] <kristjan_> TimS: 4.5 release maybe
[20:58] <NickPresta> hi, feggia
[20:58] <TimS> The only reason for me going to KDE4 is for Amarok 2
[20:58] <TimS> Which I am GLAD was not rushed for KDE4
[20:59] <Skyblast> True.
[20:59] <Skyblast> Kopete was rushed in and it shows
[20:59] <feggia> i prefear kde3.5 look&feel
[20:59] <TimS> They set an unreachable deadline in December then when they missed it they rushed it.
[21:00] <TimS> KDE4 has a areoish look about it.
[21:00] <TimS> I don't like the window decoration, but the icons are nice
[21:00] <emilsedgh> TimS: its not a good time to judge about kde4
[21:01] <emilsedgh> TimS: its a 1 day old baby!
[21:01] <TimS> ... After its released? If you don't just things after they are released, when do you judge em?
[21:01] <TimS> Vista was judged before it was launched. Why should KDE be any different? :P
[21:01] <emilsedgh> TimS: look, Major releases are all like this
[21:01] <TimS> I know.
[21:01] <emilsedgh> TimS: Apache 2.0, Gnome 2.0, etc
[21:02] <emilsedgh> TimS: vista is propertiary!
[21:02] <emilsedgh> TimS: this is differrent in foss world
[21:02] <TimS> haha true
[21:02] <emilsedgh> foss world works with 'releasing early & often'
[21:03] <Toran> Is it possible to have 4.0 and 3.5.8 installed simultaneously without messing things up?
[21:03] <emilsedgh> just compare 3.0.0 with 3.5.8
[21:03] <corinth> Toran: Yes, easily.
[21:03] <emilsedgh> Toran: yes :)
[21:03] <Toran> is it also possible to remove 4.0 easily if I decide I'm done trying it out?
[21:03] <corinth> Toran: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[21:03] <cmckendry> Depends on your definition of "messing things up"
[21:03] <corinth> Toran: If you follow those instructions, it'll install alongside.
[21:03] <TimS> I can see that emilsedgh. I know what you mean
[21:03] <Toran> cmckendry: changing the status quo of my 3.5.8 configuration
[21:03] <Toran> thanks corinth
[21:04] <corinth> Toran: Np :P
[21:04] <emilsedgh> TimS: so dont judge and ask anothers to dont judge too!
[21:04] <emilsedgh> btw, as a Major release, i think 4.0.0 is good
[21:04] <kubuntu_> hola en que canal se habla español??
[21:04] <emilsedgh> !es | kubuntu_
[21:04] <jussi01> !es | kubuntu_
[21:04] <ubotu> kubuntu_: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[21:04] <jussi01> hehe
[21:05] <kubuntu_> gracias
[21:05] <sandrine> how to configure irc to get msn message
[21:06] <TimS> But I disagree with release early. Bugs and apps should be updated often, but releases should not be rushed, It has happened with every release.
[21:06] <captainbraille> I have a question about running KDE4.0   -  I followed the instructions on the announcement page, I log out of 3.5.8 , I change session to 4.0 on the login screen, but when I try to start up, I see the new splash screen, and then everything goes black like if I restarted X. Anything I could try to be able to run 4.0?
[21:07] <enry> goodnight
[21:07] <_gtt_> how can i prevent kbattery from running, since i prefer klaptop?
[21:08] <muesli> hey guys
[21:08] <muesli> i feel a bit silly for asking this
[21:08] <muesli> but when single-click is activated
[21:08] <muesli> how do i select an item, not activate it?
[21:09] <kristjan_> muesli: you don't release the click?
[21:09] <muesli> uhm
[21:09] <muesli> ?
[21:09] <muesli> so i have to hold the button if i want to select something and then go make a coffee?
[21:09] <kristjan_> muesli: single click for what? opening folder?
[21:10] <g2g591> muesli: hold ctrl
[21:10] <muesli> select an item
[21:10] <muesli> then pressing f2 to rename it e.g.
[21:10] <muesli> g2g591: no, that will select it additionally to the previously selected item
[21:10] <muesli> i wonly want one item to be selected
[21:10] <kristjan_> muesli: you can right-click on it and then rename
[21:10] <muesli> well that's the context menu
[21:10] <muesli> different thig
[21:10] <muesli> thing
[21:10] <muesli> i'm just talking about changing the selection
[21:11] <corinth> Where are the sounds for kopete-kde4 stored? I want to use them in kopete.
[21:11] <muesli> no springing menus
[21:11] <g2g591> muesli:you could drag a selection box only around the one to be selected
[21:11] <muesli> g2g591: which also becomes a problem if you got a dolphin window which is full of items in the detail view
[21:11] <kristjan_> muesli: +1 @g2g591 response
[21:11] <muesli> (not icon view)
[21:12] <g2g591> muesli: change the view?
[21:12] <kristjan_> g2g591: lol
[21:12] <corinth> Where is kde 4 stored?
[21:12] <muesli> err, come on. i use detail view because there are >10000 files in one dir and i just want to select an item
[21:12] <BluesKaj> login menu
[21:12] <kristjan_> muesli: why doesn't right-click satisfy you?
[21:12] <muesli> i can't believe no-one's thought about that
[21:12] <muesli> kristjan_: well because it opens a menu (which takes a second for some reason)
[21:13] <g2g591> corinth: hmm there's a dpkg -- comand for that, got to look that up
[21:13] <kristjan_> muesli: but ... you see ... ah nevermind
[21:13] <corinth> g2g591:  dpkg command for what?
[21:13] <muesli> kristjan_: actually i don't see :)
[21:13] <leviatan> hi everybody!!!
[21:13] <muesli> i'm a bit shocked right now
[21:13] <kristjan_> muesli: actually you can do it in konqueror
[21:14] <g2g591> corinth: to see what files are owned by a package
[21:14] <kristjan_> muesli: don't click on the name
[21:14] <muesli> but right next to it
[21:14] <kristjan_> muesli: but click on the entry
[21:14] <muesli> yeah i noticed that seems to be the only solution
[21:14] <kristjan_> muesli: yes
[21:14] <muesli> yet i thought someone would have come up with a proper fix
[21:14] <g2g591> corinth: its dpkg-query -L packagename
[21:14] <leviatan> could someone hep me pls? i want to install kde4 final in feisty but I don't know how to do it
[21:14] <kristjan_> muesli: does it also "take to long"?
[21:14] <muesli> kristjan_: what do you mean?
[21:14] <kristjan_> muesli: how is it not good solution, if one click is for activate
[21:15] <corinth> g2g591: Thanks!
[21:15] <stdin> leviatan: only available in gutsy or hardy
[21:15] <muesli> kristjan_: well, something like win+click should be selecting then at least
[21:15] <Level15> muesli: dunno if someone already suggested, but you can set autoselect icon
[21:15] <muesli> Level15: interesting, where?
[21:15] <kristjan_> muesli: someone told you already ctr-mouseclick
[21:15] <Level15> kcontrol
[21:15] <Level15> peripherals
[21:15] <Level15> mouse
[21:16] <Level15> automagically select icons
[21:16] <kristjan_> muesli: how is ctrl+click different to win+click?
[21:16] <muesli> kristjan_: it's possibly dangerous to recommend that really
[21:16] <leviatan> stidin but beta 1 is aviable for feisty but i can't find nothing about final
[21:16] <kristjan_> muesli: in what way?
[21:16] <muesli> thing about it: your current selection is /home/user/Photos (e.g.)
[21:16] <muesli> now you want to select a different item and you suggest ctrl+click
[21:17] <muesli> what happens is that now Photos and the newly clicked-on folder are both selected
[21:17] <kristjan_> muesli: you can't rename them
[21:17] <muesli> not pressing delete, assuming that you'd delete the newly selected photo would kill both folders
[21:17] <muesli> s/not/now
[21:17] <stdin> leviatan: beta 1 was from a while ago, there's been a beta 2, RC1 and RC2 since then
[21:17] <kristjan_> muesli: you can still select one thing if you don't click on the name
[21:18] <kristjan_> muesli: because ... one click is for "activate"
[21:18] <muesli> kristjan_: yeah, it's a really cumbersome solution and i'm looking for something usable
[21:18] <Level15> muesli: hey, did you check what I told you?
[21:18] <stdin> leviatan: but regardless of what was available in feisty, KDE4 is only available in gutsy or hardy
[21:18] <muesli> Level15: yeah, that's a step in the right direction
[21:18] <kristjan_> muesli: ffs you are using "one click = activate"
[21:18] <edgy> Hi, any one here installed kde4 and complained that the system is now messed?
[21:19] <g2g591> muesli: normal click on blank space, then ctrl click on the one you want to select
[21:19] <Level15> edgy: yeah, my kde3 now opens some stuff in kde4 apps and vicevesa
[21:19] <Level15> *viceversa
[21:19] <kristjan_> muesli: there is no other way, because one click is assigned to "activate"
[21:19] <leviatan> stidin:  :( thanks anyway :( I don't want to upgrade to gusty :( I'll wait for hardy
[21:19] <kristjan_> muesli: you have to pretty much change to "double-click" interface
[21:19] <muesli> Level15: kde4 sadly doesn't seem to stick to it, tho
[21:20] <muesli> at least dolphin doesn't respect the setting
[21:20] <edgy> Level15: my problem is I cannot even log to kde3 nor 4. I guess I installed the kdm-kde4 which messed something. I only managed to log using xfce now
[21:20] <muesli> kristjan_: well, i'm wondering. i think there's room to improve the situation
[21:20] <g2g591> edgy: use dpkg-reconfigure kdm and set it back to kdm instead of kdm-kde4,
[21:20] <muesli> the current single click situation is really confusing for new users
[21:20] <august_> anyone know where you can get a WORKING flash player update for firefox?
[21:20] <stdin> leviatan: you'll have to upgrade to gutsy in order to upgrade to hardy anyway
[21:20] <Level15> edgy: my suggestion is that you get rid of kde4 and reinstall kde3
[21:20] <g2g591> edgy: kdm-kde4 doesn't work at all
[21:21] <muesli> i wonder if it's really a good default setting
[21:21] <kristjan_> muesli: detailed list view is not default
[21:21] <kristjan_> muesli: are you using kde4?
[21:21] <muesli> kristjan_: both
[21:21] <muesli> kristjan_: doesn't matter if something's default or not
[21:21] <edgy> g2g591: I did but it I have a strange display mangager that lists all the system users and as soon as I log to kde or gnome I have a small xterm window and that's all
[21:21] <muesli> it should be usable whatsoever
[21:22] <leviatan> stin thanks
[21:22] <Bauldrick> gphoto2 --list-files
[21:22] <kristjan_> muesli: the point is - one click is already assigned to do something
[21:22] <Bauldrick> oops - sorry
[21:22] <g2g591> edgy: its still using kdm-kde4 for some reason. sudo apt-get purge kdm-kde4
[21:22] <kristjan_> muesli: you can't do both with the same key
[21:22] <muesli> kristjan_: never did i say that one-click's action should be changed
[21:23] <muesli> kristjan_: that's why i was saying win+click or something
[21:23] <muesli> or some completely different solution
[21:23] <muesli> all i was wondering about is if there is already some solution
[21:23] <edgy> g2g591: I would try and report back after I log out
[21:23] <g2g591> edgy: k
[21:23] <muesli> cause if you read the intrawebs, it seems to be a common ubuntu annoyance
[21:24] <kristjan_> muesli: you click on the entry of the file in detailed list view
[21:24] <edgy> g2g591: so kde4 is not ready yet or is the problem in kubuntu packaging?
[21:24] <muesli> kristjan_: i'm not complaining to you about it, i'm not asking you to fix it
[21:24] <muesli> i'm actually looking for a way to fix it myself
[21:24] <g2g591> edgy: I'm guessing packaging, but im not sure. I'm in progress of building kde 4 trunk on my Gentoo install
[21:24] <draik> I am trying to copy an image on my desktop with Print Screen, but it doesn't seem to be working. Is there a workaround?
[21:24] <rocky> hi
[21:24] <muesli> kristjan_: i still see that as a work-around really, since even that space next to the item might not exist (think scrollbars)
[21:25] <muesli> kristjan_: and i think it's the wrong way to go and say "use a work-around" for doing one of the most basic things on a computer, selecting an item in a listview
[21:26] <edgy> g2g591: I have another issue and may be you can help. my windows partition is somehow now don't boot because it thinks it's drive V: instead of C: after I removed some partitions and reinstalled grub. Do you know how grub can convince windows it's drive c:?
[21:26] <kristjan_> muesli: is it workaround?
[21:26] <g2g591> muesli: what do you want to select an item for anyway? perhaps there is a better way
[21:26] <kristjan_> g2g591: he wants to select only one thing
[21:27] <g2g591> edgy: whats your windows partation number?
[21:27] <kristjan_> muesli: you should ask this question in kde, maybe there are other keyboard shortcuts, like ctrl+mouseclick
[21:27] <kristjan_> muesli: in #kde
[21:27] <edgy> g2g591: it's /dev/sda1
[21:28] <Level15> muesli: maybe you can just switch to win-like behaviour; one click selects, to open
[21:28] <muesli> kristjan_: don't worry, i'm a kde-dev myself. usually the users know such stuff better than the devs tho *cough*
[21:28] <g2g591> edgy: ok, then make sure your /boot/grub/menu.list agrees with that, if it doesn't, change it
[21:29] <edgy> g2g591: I would log out now and try the display manager then I would paste the menu.lst file since i belive it's correct....
[21:29] <g2g591> edgy: just use cat /boot/grub/menu.list
[21:30] <muesli> kristjan_: maybe i'm just a double click kind of guy ;-)
[21:30] <muesli> but it's surprising me that you don't even see the issue
[21:31] <kristjan_> muesli: to clear some potential confusion - I'm not kde dev
[21:31] <muesli> i know
[21:31] <muesli> ;-)
[21:31] <kristjan_> muesli: and no, I don't see an issue here, unless the file name is really long
[21:31] <muesli> at least i don't recognize you ;-)
[21:32] <muesli> kristjan_: part of my issue yeah
[21:32] <muesli> the screen isn't wide enough to show the entire file name
[21:32] <muesli> i admit it's kind of an extra ordinary situation
[21:32] <kristjan_> muesli: why do you discuss it in #kubuntu anyway?
[21:32] <muesli> it's the default setting for kubuntu and i thought someone must know it / must have been annoyed by it before
[21:32] <muesli> no kde dev seems to use single click anyways
[21:33] <muesli> so devs are useless to ask ;-)
[21:33] <kristjan_> muesli: your casual user uses icon view by default to begin with
[21:34] <g2g591> muesli: and if you have 1000s of items in a folder , you need to organize them into more folders
[21:34] <kristjan_> g2g591: what for?
[21:34] <muesli> might be true, i admit that... yet i'm really trying to somehow solve the issue, not to just rant on on a saturday night :)
[21:34] <Level15> night?
[21:34] <kristjan_> muesli: isn't double-click interface the solution?
[21:34] <g2g591> kristjan_: hard to find what you might be looking for
[21:34] <Level15> n/m
[21:35] <muesli> g2g591: well, different kind of discussion really. let's assume it's supposed to be that way and it's the right way to go
[21:35] <muesli> kristjan_: it's probably what i prefer. still i think something like win+mouse1 would be feasible
[21:35] <muesli> not saying i particularly like the solution, but at least it would give you the option to do it if you know about it
[21:36] <kristjan_> muesli: I would use ctrl+left mouse click myself
[21:36] <muesli> kristjan_: as mentioned, you'd end up with two selected items, then you'd have to go find the first one and de-select that one again
[21:36] <billybobo231> I added a second Task Manager to my KDE 4.0.2 and now my panel is crammed on the left side of the screen, and the right side is black with no right-click options... how can i fix that?
[21:36] <Level15> muesli: i think middle click does what you want
[21:36] <muesli> Level15: now you might become my personal hero
[21:36] <kristjan_> muesli: or I can unselect
[21:36] <kristjan_> muesli: ctrl+u
[21:37] <PriceChild> I deleted the menubar in kopete. How can I get it back?
[21:37] <muesli> ctrl+m i'd say
[21:37] <Level15> at least on my dolphin in kde 3.5
[21:37] <Level15> will try konq
[21:37] <muesli> Level15: yeah seems to work across the board
[21:37] <PriceChild> muesli: you are a beast thankyou :)
[21:37] <Level15> doesn't work on konqueror
[21:37] <muesli> PriceChild: it's the same shortcut pretty much everywhere
[21:37] <Level15> at least not here
[21:37] <PriceChild> muesli: i'm new to kde ;)
[21:38] <muesli> PriceChild: well, that'll hopefully change in the near future ;-)
[21:38] <muesli> PriceChild: welcome to kde anyways :)
[21:38] <Level15> I find it kind of annoying that dolphin implements different behaviour than the rest of KDE
[21:39] <Level15> though it might be different on kde4, not sure
[21:39] <kristjan_> Level15: are you speaking of kde4 dolphin, or that other dolphin, which everybody dislikes in 7.10?
[21:39] <NickPresta> Level15, AFAIK, D3lphin (Dolphin in KDE 3.5) is different than Dolphin in KDE 4. Dolphin is much better, apparently
[21:40] <lunar-raven> the dolphin in kde4 is alot better
[21:40] <ethan> can you install from the kubuntu kde4 cd?
[21:40] <edgy> g2g591: thanks a lot removing with --purge kdm-kde4 allow me to log using kde
[21:40] <Level15> kristjan_: the one everybody dislikes :P
[21:40] <NickPresta> ethan, I don't think so. The KDE 4 LiveCD is stripped down, I believe. It is meant to try out KDE 4 and such.
[21:40] <Level15> kristjan_: i think kde 3.5 on the default appllications config should allow you to use konqueror over d3lphin as file manager
[21:40] <ardchoille> ethan: The kde4 livecd does have an install facility
[21:41] <Level15> NickPresta: dunno, will try
[21:41] <NickPresta> ardchoille, oh, neat.
[21:41] <kristjan_> Level15: kubuntu has made some strange decisions in the past also
[21:41] <sinthetek> anyone know how to disable 3d rendering?
[21:41] <sinthetek> from prompt*
[21:41] <g2g591> edgy: your welcome, man qt 4 takes forever to build ( just added debug use flag in my gentoo install)
[21:41] <ethan> ardchoille: thanks, i completely scewed up my system installing from packages, and i really want kde 4
[21:42] <ardchoille> NickPresta: The icon is there and will launch the install, but I didn't follow through the install so can't say how well it works
[21:42] <SSJ_GZ> sinthetek: You mean kwin's compositing?
[21:42] <NickPresta> ardchoille, ah okay. I'm actually burning the CD right now so I can play around with it.
[21:42] <g2g591> ethan: I've found that compiling my self from trunk works a lot better than packages, when it works
[21:42] <ethan> ardchoille: do you know if it is the same installer as the official 3.5.8 cd?
[21:42] <edgy> g2g591: even if I have to go to sleep, I would leave the window open so please paste your experience
[21:42] <ardchoille> ethan: AFAIK, the corrent kde4 is mainly for developers at this point
[21:43] <kristjan_> muesli: looks like you can configure the delay of autoselect also: http://i6.tinypic.com/850dczk.png
[21:43] <g2g591> edgy: I simply followed the guide at techbase.kde.org it tells exactly how to do it. But it is incredibly easy on gentoo
[21:44] <ethan> thanks all
[21:44] <g2g591> edgy: as far as sleep goes, its only a quarter til 4 pm here :p
[21:45] <mkitzma1> Hello everyone, I see as I enter the room the the flash player plugin is broken...
[21:45] <mkitzma1> is there some sort of solution to this?
[21:45] <g2g591> mkitzma1: there is a work around, download it yourself from adobe .
[21:46] <mkitzma1> I have tried this, but apparently doesn't work for 64bit
[21:46] <mkitzma1> I could have swore it did but I couldn't get it to work.
[21:46] <g2g591> mkitzma1: and thats why I use 32 bit even with my 64 bit processer, that and java .....
[21:47] <jussi01> !flas | mkitzma1
[21:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flas - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:47] <jussi01> !flash | mkitzma1
[21:47] <ubotu> mkitzma1: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[21:47] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[21:47] <mkitzma1> hmmm.
[21:48] <jussi01> mkitzma1: have you had a look at that  thread?
[21:48] <mkitzma1> nope
[21:48] <_VeryBadGuy_> Hi there
[21:48] <_nmap> hi
[21:48] <_VeryBadGuy_> does anyone know if the kde4 packages in the official repositoires are the latest ones
[21:48] <_VeryBadGuy_> ?
[21:50] <kristjan_> _VeryBadGuy_: if you mean up-do-date, then no
[21:50] <_VeryBadGuy_> is there any way to get up to date packages to try it?
[21:50] <kristjan_> _VeryBadGuy_: this is like snapshots, as far as I understand'
[21:50] <kristjan_> _VeryBadGuy_: you mean, bleeding edge?
[21:51] <kristjan_> _VeryBadGuy_: you have to compile it yourself
[21:51] <_VeryBadGuy_> no, just to try yesterday release
[21:51] <_VeryBadGuy_> gosh
[21:51] <_VeryBadGuy_> is there any guide?
[21:51] <kristjan_> _VeryBadGuy_: but kde4 packages are pretty new
[21:51] <jussi01> !kde4
[21:51] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ and support in #kubuntu
[21:52] <peter_> whois jussi01
[21:52] <kristjan_> persen__: jussi is jussi?
[21:52] <persen__> sounds about right
[21:53] <jussi01> me!
[21:53] <kristjan_> _VeryBadGuy_: at the moment they are recent, but they won't be updated step by step
[21:53] <_VeryBadGuy_> I wanted to try the new experience in desktops
[21:53] <_VeryBadGuy_> now that I have some time to test
[21:53] <kristjan_> _VeryBadGuy_: then give it a test
[21:54] <edgy> g2g591: Windows boots when I put my password to login I have blank screen and I can only lauch task manager where I noticed that the drive for the system is renamed v:
[21:54] <jussi01> edgy: ?
[21:55] <g2g591> edgy: I have no idea how to fix that, I guess Windows is too stupid to figure out that it is the same partation that the system is on
[21:55] <edgy> jussi01: yes?
[21:55] <edgy> g2g591: yes you are right but I guess there is a way to fix it from grub I would keep searching
[21:55] <kristjan_> how do you explain in layman's terms that "kubuntu kde4" packages are snapshots?
[21:56] <jussi01> edgy: nm
[21:56] <kristjan_> looks like I scared away one potential kde4 user O_o
[21:57] <g2g591> kristjan_: no they arn't im 97% sure they are from the same source as the tarballs on kde.org, but perhaps with a patch or two added
[21:57] <kristjan_> g2g591: no I mean - that they are updated every day - they aren't right?
[21:58] <g2g591> kristjan_: of course they arn't updated daily! they might be on Hardy though...
[21:58] <kristjan_> g2g591: the packages "jump" from beta1 to bet2 release ... to rc1 and so on ...
[21:58] <kristjan_> g2g591: so in that sense kde4 packages tend to get "old"
[21:58] <g2g591> kristjan_: yeah from beta1 to beta2 is more than one day, its more like 3-5 weeks
[21:58] <sinthetek> SSJ_GZ: i was referring to aiglx/dri/opengl stuffs, i believe
[21:59] <SSJ_GZ> sinthetek: The 3D window effects i.e. Expose, taskbar thumbnails, etc?
[21:59] <sinthetek> kdm starts, but noone can login, this is the only actual error i see: (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x24
[21:59] <g2g591> kristjan_: what do you mean old? KDE 4.0.0 will still be KDE 4.0.0 in 2 weeks.
[22:00] <sinthetek> SSJ_GZ: i'm referring to xserver configuration stuff i think
[22:00] <adz21c> yea but 4.0.1 is aimed to be out by the end of the month so i have heard
[22:00] <ccoffey> can I do a debootstrap without and internet connection, or at the most, a very minimal one?
[22:00] <SSJ_GZ> sinthetek: Ah, I see.
[22:00] <g2g591> kristjan_: The packages will be KDE 4.0.0 until KDE 4.0.1 or KDE 4.1.0 is out
[22:00] <kristjan_> g2g591: yes, but you can compile "more recent" kde4 yourself, can't you?
[22:00] <sinthetek> SSJ_GZ: when kdm goes to log a user in, it can't switch to the proper mode, and i'm unsure how to reconfigure it or turn off aiglx extensions (they aren't in xorg.conf like usual)
[22:01] <SSJ_GZ> sinthetek: Hmmm ... outside of my area of expertise; sorry!
[22:02] <sinthetek> s/mode/depth and res etc
[22:02] <g2g591> kristjan_; yeah, but there is a chance that they might not work. its called /trunk and its where devs make changes on KDE 4.0 Until its good enough to be 4.1 Then changes are made there til its good enough for 4.2
[22:02] <sinthetek> SSJ_GZ: np, thanks for trying :)
[22:03] <kristjan_> g2g591: do kde4 packages for kubuntu get bug fixes though? or this is only so with hardy?
[22:03] <sinthetek> usually glx/dri etc is loaded in xorg.conf but i don't see them. everything worked fine until i updated yesterday. now noone can login through kdm
[22:04] <g2g591> kristjan_; yes, of course. (but for all the latest fixes on 4.0, build  /branches/4.0 )
[22:05] <g2g591> krisjan_; the bug fixes on the KDE 4 packages between KDE releases will be patches applied by the Kubuntu devs and some of them might be the same as those applied by the KDE devs to /branches/4.0
[22:06] <kristjan_> g2g591: I don't remember seeing any updates for kde4 packages once installed
[22:06] <jussi01> kristjan_: I have had many
[22:07] <kristjan_> jussi01: I got the wrong impression then :-/ ... so I just better shut up now ;-)
[22:08] <jussi01> kristjan_: hehe I have had it installed for a good while... ;)
[22:09] <g2g591> kristjan_: don't worry the Kubuntu devs most likely will apply patches to fix bugs to 4.0.0 , those packages (when released) will be like kdebase version 4.0.0-1ubuntu3 and stuff like that
[22:11] <kiba-kun> hello
[22:11] <kiba-kun> I broke my apt-get stuff by trying to install kde-core I think
[22:11] <sigma_1234> anyone here good with acidrip?
[22:12] <kiba> hello again
[22:12] <kiba> I broke my apt-get stuff by trying to install kde4 stuff
[22:13] <kiba> I need help fixing this apt-get thingie
[22:13] <jussi01> kiba: you could try sudo apt-get install -f
[22:15] <kiba> still doesn't fix it
[22:19] <jussi01> kiba-kun: could you pastebin the error?
[22:21] <edgy> g2g591: i cannot find a kde4 kontact or kmail, if you found one after compiling please tell me
[22:21] <kiba-kun> ok
[22:21] <blkorpheus> how does one take a screenshot?
[22:21] <g2g591> edgy: not released yet . They are not ready.
[22:21] <kiba-kun> blkorpheus:  by opening up a program for screenshot I believe
[22:22] <stdin> press printscr
[22:22] <g2g591> edgy: if you insist on compiling and checking out what is done so far, check out /trunk/KDE/kdepim
[22:22] <stdin> or prtsc, whatever the print screen button is
[22:22] <g2g591> edgy: see techbase.kde.org for more info
[22:22] <g2g591> blkorpheus: the screenshot program is called ksnapshot, that is what is triggered with the prntscreen button
[22:28] <spiroo> hello, I want to know where Amarok did go in KDE4/Kubuntu LiveCD?
[22:29] <stdin> spiroo: there are no kde3 apps in the kde4 cd
[22:29] <adz21c> spiroo: if the cd only contains kde4 packages, the amarok port isn't finished
[22:29] <sigma_1234> !info dvdrip
[22:29] <ubotu> dvdrip: perl front end for transcode. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:0.98.6-0.0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1086 kB, installed size 2580 kB
[22:30] <emilsedgh> stdin: really?
[22:31] <emilsedgh> stdin: this will not be good, how much time do we have until 8.04's freezes? (do they a feature freeze there?)
[22:31] <stdin> emilsedgh: that's a gutsy CD, not a hardy CD. there isn't a KDE4 hardy CD yet
[22:31] <spiroo> stdin, adz21c: Just great xD I cannot use internet in Kubuntu either.
[22:31] <emilsedgh> stdin: KDE4 couldnt be used alone now.no amarok/kopete(irc)/kmail/kmilo
[22:32] <stdin> emilsedgh: yes, that's why the hardy version will have kde3 apps on it....
[22:32] <emilsedgh> good
[22:32] <emilsedgh> stdin: hardy's default will be 4?
[22:32] <spiroo> I waited several hours yesterday to get KDE4 with my slow modem :(
[22:32] <stdin> emilsedgh: if nothing goes horribly wrong, yes
[22:33] <adz21c> spiroo: well they have been saying its going to be missing a lot
[22:33] <emilsedgh> stdin: good.4.0.1 is going to be there in end of july i think.its even possible to get 4.0.2 there, right?
[22:33] <spiroo> adz21c: Yes it is completely empty everywhere and nothing worked, not even the sound.
[22:33] <andre> hello all... which package i need for playing flashfiles in firefox?
[22:33] <adz21c> spiroo: works fine for me
[22:33] <andre> iam using kubuntu7.10
[22:34] <emilsedgh> stdin: s/july/january :P
[22:34] <stdin> emilsedgh: it all depends in the timing, everything is about timing ;)
[22:34] <adz21c> spiroo: only features that don't work for me are desktop effects and webcam in kopete
[22:34] <adz21c> spiroo: oh and creating folders, but it seems thats supposed to be there so somethings happened during my install i need to fix
[22:35] <spiroo> adz21c: okay, maybe because I did not try so much. which music player do you use?
[22:35] <spiroo> adz21c: Partitions does not mount as before as default either :P
[22:35] <adz21c> spiroo: i not tried, i use kde3 amarok, i don't like any of the default media players
[22:36] <emilsedgh> im waiting to see KDE 4.1.5 with Kubuntu 8.10! it might buzz the world! :P
[22:36] <paoligno> hi: how can i join file1.ogg and file2.ogg into result.ogg ? cat doesn't make a playable file
[22:37] <adz21c> emilsedgh: smart move, i am only running 4.0 to submit bugs, gonna have kde3 there for days when i just need that stability and features
[22:37] <emilsedgh> adz21c: same as me
[22:38] <spiroo> Anyway, does someone know how to setup a GlobeTrotter modem. I cannot get it to work with nozomi
[22:38] <emilsedgh> adz21c: i havent any problem with things that exist at kde4.theyre all good (except that plasma needs some customization GUI's).i just miss apps that are not yet completely ported
[22:39] <adz21c> emilsedgh: yea, i wish i could resize panel as well, i mean i can move it about by editing configs, at this early stage i don't mind editing configs (as long as they are obvious like plasmas) but i can't seem to shrink panel
[22:40] <zenum> Hello, is there a special channel for Kubuntu KDE4.0 discussions?
[22:40] <emilsedgh> adz21c: right.also taskbar is huge :D
[22:40] <stdin> adz21c: that feature didn't make the deadline, but it's there in svn
[22:40] <devinus> has anybody gotten firefox 3 on kubuntu?
[22:40] <adz21c> emilsedgh: thats what i mean, panel = taskbar
[22:40] <emilsedgh> stdin: aaron said that he will backport it to 4.0 :)
[22:41] <adz21c> stdin: oooo interesting
[22:41] <aantipop> zenum: i think #kubuntu-kde4
[22:41] <zenum> Does anyone know how to get the search bar back into konqueror on KDE 4.0 or will this not be available until the plugin is ported to qt4?
[22:41] <stdin> zenum: not quite yet
[22:41] <emilsedgh> stdin: so we i hope to see it in 4.0.1 in a month
[22:41] <stdin> aantipop: not exactly open yet
[22:41] <blkorpheus> put the edges of two desktop icons together
[22:41] <adz21c> stdin: any idea when kubuntu intends to bring svn fixes to the packages?
[22:41] <zenum> aantipop: ahh ok thanks
[22:41] <blkorpheus> click and grab to move them
[22:42] <blkorpheus> and the whole wallpaper on the desktop moves!?!
[22:42] <stdin> adz21c: we don't, when 4.0.1 is released you'll get that
[22:42] <emilsedgh> zenum: i think its there in extragear/addons, btw if thats not packaged you could use shortcut keys like gg:fooBar
[22:42] <adz21c> stdin: fair enough
[22:42] <stdin> zenum: that channel isn't officially open yet, don't use it
[22:42] <emilsedgh> stdin: could we join or no?
[22:43] <zenum> yeah i might just use the shortcut for now
[22:44] <zenum> If i was to install kde4.0 live cd... would dist-upgrading daily keep me up to date with the latest KDE developements?
[22:44] <emilsedgh> zenum: no
[22:44] <stdin> emilsedgh: don't, it should be closed for a while, the mode just isnt set
[22:44] <emilsedgh> stdin: ok :)
[22:44] <zenum> emilsedgh: is there any way I can be running the bleeding edge kde stuff?
[22:45] <stdin> zenum: compile from svn
[22:45] <emilsedgh> if you want to keep updated, checkout and compile svn.there is a tutorial in techbase.kde.org that learns how to do it
[22:45] <alex__> How can i do "internet shared connection" on Kubuntu 7.10?
[22:45] <emilsedgh> also there is distro
[22:45] <morphine> how can i figure out the uid/gid of a certain user?
[22:45] <emilsedgh> zenum: there is :)
[22:46] <emilsedgh> zenum: 1 minute please
[22:46] <stdin> morphine: "id <user name>"
[22:46] <zenum> emilsedgh: thanks :)
[22:46] <emilsedgh> zenum: http://etotheipiplusone.com/kde4daily/docs/kde4daily.html
[22:46] <morphine> stdin: sweet, thanks
[22:47] <SSJ_GZ> emilsedgh: kde4daily is no longer being updated.
[22:47] <emilsedgh> SSJ_GZ: oh!
[22:47] <emilsedgh> SSJ_GZ: you said it might be updated on the dot
[22:48] <emilsedgh> SSJ_GZ: btw, nice job.it was really appreciated :)
[22:48] <SSJ_GZ> emilsedgh: No, it might be restarted a few weeks before 4.1.0 is released :)
[22:48] <SSJ_GZ> emilsedgh: You're welcome :)
[22:48] <emilsedgh> nice
[22:48] <emilsedgh> cant wait for 4.1
[22:48] <morphine> so if I use fstab to automount a drive with wht uid= option, it will be read/writeable by the user with that uid, right?
[22:49] <stdin> morphine: depends on the FS
[22:49] <emilsedgh> zenum: so atm there is no way for that except compiling svn. SSJ_GZ is the author of KDE4Daily and is not upgrading it anymore.
[22:49] <morphine> stdin: depends on what about it?
[22:49] <morphine> it is a lvm thing i made in Fedora that now has some weird permissions problem
[22:50] <stdin> morphine: well, with ext2/3 for instance,  using uid/gid will not work
[22:50] <morphine> ah
[22:50] <morphine> it is jfs
[22:50] <SSJ_GZ> emilsedgh, zenum: OpenSUSE has a build service that is updated fairly often.
[22:50] <emilsedgh> SSJ_GZ: i prefer Kubuntu and trunk/ :P
[22:51] <stdin> morphine: not sure about it, you can always just try and see
[22:51] <SSJ_GZ> emilsedgh: Good taste ;)
[22:51] <devinus> does anybody know if there's going to be an amd64 kde4 remaster?
[22:51] <zenum> SSJ_GZ: thanks, i downloaded their live-cd but it kept freezing up on me, and my wireless card wasn't supported... I may just go with svn
[22:51] <morphine> stdin: well, what i normall do is mount is manually and then chown it
[22:51] <SSJ_GZ> zenum: SVN is probably best, yes :)
[22:52] <zenum> SSJ_GZ: do you know if there is any app for setting up wireless in kde4.0? Similar to knetworkmanager?
[22:52] <SSJ_GZ> zenum: I don't know; sorry.
[22:52] <stdin> morphine: it's not a great idea, unless it's just for storage
[22:52] <morphine> why is that a bad idea?
[22:52] <stdin> zenum: don't think so, you'll have to use knetworkmanager from kde3
[22:53] <morphine> I've been running a myth box like that for several months ;)
[22:53] <zenum> stdin: so kde3 apps will work fine?
[22:53] <stdin> morphine: because the system was designed to have some things owned by root
[22:53] <stdin> zenum: yeah
[22:53] <morphine> well, the partition is only for storing recordings
[22:53] <stdin> morphine: then that's fine, chown away :)
[22:54] <morphine> haha, but I want to make it so I don't have to ssh in and mess with stuff if the machine happens to crash
[22:54] <spectre__> hello
[22:54] <morphine> Thus, I am trying to make it automount
[22:55] <stdin> morphine: chown will be perminant, so you only have to do it once then set it to automount normally. it'll still be owned by the user you choose
[22:55] <morphine> hmm, it has never seemed to stick before, but then again I've never automounted it
[22:55] <stdin> well, for the FS's that I know about anyway
[22:56] <stdin> morphine: you can try with the uid= option, if chows doesn't stick then there's a good chance that uid= will work
[22:57] <stdin> s/chows/chown's/
[22:57] <morphine> so is this a reasonable fstab line?
[22:57] <morphine>  /dev/vgmyth/video /video jfs rw,auto,users,uid=107,gid=115 0 2
[22:58] <spectre__> I have Just installed Kubuntu 7.10.Now I'm installing upgrades.I'll find kde 4 at the end of upgrades ? thanks
[22:58] <stdin> morphine: that looks right
[22:58] <morphine> alrighty
[22:58] <LjL> spectre__: no, kde 4 is only in backports.
[22:58] <LjL> !backports > spectre__    (spectre__, see the private message from Ubotu)
[22:58] <stdin> and the PPA, /topc
[22:58] <spectre__> thanks
[23:01] <spectre__> Ljl,I have a little issue about my laptop. There are two function keys for the lcd luminance regolation.they are working under gnome but they are not working under kde.do you know something about this ? thanks
[23:01] <LjL> spectre__: no sorry, no laptops here
[23:01] <spectre__> thanks LjL
[23:03] <morphine> stdin: sweet, it looks like it worked
[23:08] <purpleposeidon> Hmmm, when is the flash plugin installation going to *not* be borked?
[23:08] <crimsun> purpleposeidon: as soon as people have figured out how to _not_ bork KDE and 64-bit users.
[23:11] <adz21c> essentially when adobe wake up to the world outside the development office?
[23:12] <Dragon67> how do i change the bottom panel to show name of desktop i am in ,instead of icon
[23:16] <Dragon67> how do i change the bottom panel to show name of desktop i mm in ,instead of icon
[23:18] <selckin> :cr
[23:18] <selckin> mt
[23:19] <frownfrown> why is my ISP banned from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-ops? :|
[23:20] <selckin> nature of the internet
[23:20] <frownfrown> is there anyone I can talk to?
[23:20] <ikke__> heya
[23:20] <Aranel> frownfrown: i think its a ranged-ban
[23:21] <corinth> Does anyone else have problems transfering files to or from a MSN user using kopete or pidgin?
[23:21] <Aranel> frownfrown: if you can, change ur ip.
[23:21] <frownfrown> Aranel, probably. my ISP (hughesnet) shares IPs
[23:21] <ikke__> how do I add 1440*900 to my Screen size?
[23:22] <corinth> ikke__: ati or nvidia?
[23:24] <Jeroi> I reallly hope, that sooner or later linux users will accept nvidia driver as default driver for nvidia.
[23:24] <Jeroi> Like kde
[23:24] <corinth> Jeroi: What do you mean?
[23:24] <ikke__> corinth: nvidia
[23:24] <Jeroi> I really hope that kde4 will include something like nvidia or ati panel
[23:25] <Jeroi> into system settings
[23:25] <corinth> ikke__: Just use nvidia-settings
[23:25] <Spxp> I'm looking for a kde utility for enable the function keys to regolate the luminance of the lcd screen.thanks to all replies
[23:25] <Jeroi> Only thing is to make nice nvidialog button to system settings, which lounches nvidia-settings as root
[23:26] <corinth> Jeroi: Yeah. This can be done without too much trouble already, though.
[23:26] <Jeroi> so users can without command line run nvidia-settings
[23:26] <Jeroi> form system administrator panel
[23:27] <stdin> Jeroi: so ask for it in a bug report
[23:27] <Jeroi> yeah will do
[23:27] <ikke__> reboot
[23:27] <ikke__> brb
[23:27] <Jeroi> I hope that resdricted driver manager would add nvidia logo button into system settings
[23:27] <Jeroi> when you are installing it
[23:28] <Jeroi> will ask it
[23:28] <Jeroi> also mouse context menu on desktop should include nvidia-settings
[23:28] <k4ever> hi all.  is there a gtk-qt packages for qt4 (kde 4)?
[23:29] <stdin> not that I know of
[23:29] <k4ever> my gtk apps (like firefox) look ugly in kde4
[23:31] <Spxp> how can I check my kubuntu version ? thanks
[23:32] <abarakadab> i had windows + kubuntu. grub gave the option of windows xp at boot. but whn i reinstalled winxp the option of linux is gone. the windows start at boot . what can i do ?
[23:33] <ardchoille> !grub | abarakadab
[23:33] <ubotu> abarakadab: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[23:33] <Maron`> windows overwrites the mbr.  always install windows before ubuntu
[23:35] <abarakadab> ardchoille thx
[23:35] <abarakadab> markec k
[23:35] <ardchoille> abarakadab: yw
[23:35] <tubez> Hi! I have some questions.
[23:35] <Bauldrick> anyone help me with gphoto2
[23:35] <tubez> I have a My Book whit NTFS. and I can't write to it:S what can I do?
[23:39] <LeeJunFan> !fuse > tubez
[23:39] <LeeJunFan> argh, that's not what I meant to do.
[23:39] <LeeJunFan> !fuse | tubez
[23:39] <ubotu> tubez: FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE.  Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here:  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[23:41] <k4ever> wow, i accidently logged out.  anyone know how to autostart apps in kde 4.0?  there is no .kde4/Autostart directory
[23:43] <ardchoille> k4ever: Did you try creating that dir?
[23:44] <k4ever> ardchoille:  no i did not.  I will try it now and see what happens
[23:45] <k4ever> where is the create new folder option for dolphin-kde4?
[23:46] <claydoh> that is one of the missing/broken bits atm
[23:47] <claydoh> mkdir ~/.kde4/autostart
[23:47] <k4ever> wow, you would think that would be fixed before the release
[23:47] <PriceChild> claydoh, does the lowercase a need to be there?
[23:47] <claydoh> tho Konqueror may still be able to make dirs
[23:47] <corinth> Where are the KDE 4 wallpapers stored?
[23:47] <claydoh> ahh yes, I think it does
[23:48] <claydoh> tho I have not tried using it myself yet
[23:48] <k4ever> konqueror-kde4 is broken also, i used dolphin from kde3
[23:49] <corinth> k4ever: Why not use dolphin-kde4 ?
[23:49] <k4ever> claydoh:  i know how to do it from the shell, but it makes no sense to have a file manager that can't create folders
[23:50] <claydoh> its a bug, they will fix it
[23:50] <k4ever> corinth:  because dolphin-kde4 can not create folders
[23:50] <corinth> k4ever: Hadn't tried that yet.
[23:51] <g2g591> corinth: try checkingout and compiling the latest trunk. follow the instructions on techbase.kde.org
[23:51] <corinth> g2g591: What is that for?
[23:51] <steve_> whoami
[23:52] <k4ever> claydoh:  don't get me wrong.  i love kde 4.  i'm trying to use it as my default desktop.  i just think that this is one of those major bugs that should have been fixed prior to the release.  it makes a very good DE look crappy
[23:52] <claydoh> corinth: wallpapers kde4: /usr/lib/kde4/share/wallpapers/
[23:52] <corinth> claydoh: Thanks!
[23:52] <steve_> how do I change my nick>? I haven't used IRC in a while ..
[23:52] <g2g591> corinth: the trunk is where the KDE devs do all the changing, bug fixing, and feature re adding
[23:52] <ilya> hi all
[23:52] <claydoh> steve_: "/nick ,wnew-nick>"
[23:52] <adz21c> k4ever: this is an issue with the kubuntu packages, i asked being in #kde and they can create folders
[23:52] <claydoh> without the quotes
[23:52] <ilya> how to mount audiocd? typing audiocd:/ in konqueror don't help (
[23:53] <steve_> with the w?
[23:53] <claydoh> oops I cannot type
[23:53] <claydoh> '/nick whatever-nick'
[23:53] <k4ever> ok, i'll back off the kde team.  didn't know this was a kubuntu only problem
[23:53] <claydoh> sorry
[23:53] <modie101> swwt
[23:53] <modie101> sweet
[23:53] <modie101> ok got it
[23:53] <modie101> I changed my name
[23:53] <user01> sweet swet?
[23:54] <modie101> sweet ... ;-)
[23:54] <adz21c> k4ever: well other distros might have it, but people I spoke to in #kde can do it, so I assume its no a kde problem :-)
[23:54] <modie101> as in dulce  or dolce
[23:54] <claydoh> yeah, but the folks in #kde prob built fronm source as well
[23:54] <modie101> ok so are all of you linux Gurus?
[23:55] <claydoh> gurus? not me, I just play one on chaep low budget webcast-type show
[23:55] <claydoh> as you can see from my typing skillz
[23:55] <modie101> I was using Redhat FC5 for a while but then one day out of boredom I installed Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon over it and I Freakin Love it
[23:55] <claydoh> cool!
[23:56] <adz21c> :-) glad your happy
[23:56] <corinth> Why did KDE 4 choose JuK over Amarok?
[23:56] <modie101> Yeah man Its really col I love that apt-get stuff
[23:56] <adz21c> amarok has never been in kde
[23:56] <adz21c> its 3rd party
[23:56] <modie101> I got really bored of RPMs
[23:56] <claydoh> and juk has a kde4 version :)
[23:56] <adz21c> so does amarok
[23:56] <adz21c> in development
[23:56] <adz21c> its barely alpha i think
[23:57] <javier> What is the difference between Ubuntu and kubuntu
[23:57] <k4ever> ok, i've made my script (i'm trying to get compiz to autostart on kde4.0 login) and dumped it into ~/.kde4/autostart.  hope this works.  will come back and let everyone know
[23:57] <adz21c> jst the desktop
[23:57] <corinth> amarok Has a kde4 version?
[23:57] <modie101> So what else can I do with Kununtu?
[23:57] <adz21c> in develpoment, completely unusable so i heard
[23:57] <modie101> I got all my stuff recognized
[23:57] <JuJuBee> Is there some trick to updating mysql server?
[23:58] <modie101> <----- Not a DBA
[23:58] <modie101> sorry
[23:59] <corinth> Is there a repository for updates for KDE 4?
[23:59] <adz21c> not yet cos theres no need for any to my knowledge
[23:59] <k4ever> creating the ~/.kde4/autostart directory and putting stuff in it to autostart worked!
[23:59] <PriceChild> !kde4 | corinth
[23:59] <ubotu> corinth: KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ and support in #kubuntu
[23:59] <claydoh> the same ones we have now, at least for now corinth