[00:00] <phin> blah
[00:00] <phin> crashed again
[00:00] <nekostar> lol
[00:00] <phin> wh
[00:00] <nekostar> still pretty broken eh
[00:00] <phin> wh
[00:00] <phin> eh
[00:00] <phin> well
[00:01] <phin> its just a video crash
[00:01] <nekostar> any thoughts on 64 vs 32 bit on this encarnation of buntu?
[00:01] <phin> i wonder if it has anything to do with compiz
[00:01] <phin> no clue, im still in a 32bit world
[00:01] <pwnguin> my laptop only does 32bit
[00:01] <pwnguin> and i dont run 64 on the athlon
[00:01] <phin> im actually about to pinmod mine
[00:01] <pwnguin> what?
[00:01] <phin> pinmod my laptop
[00:02] <phin> its a dell b120, runs at 400mhz fsb, a pinmod puts it at 533
[00:02] <phin> supposed to be much faster
[00:02] <pwnguin> i dont think you can magically wire pins and suddenly find a 64bit buss
[00:02] <pwnguin> oh
[00:44] <telexicon> Ubuntu Hardy still doesn't support wireless on macbooks? (atheros)
[00:46] <pwnguin> telexicon: do other distros
[00:46] <pwnguin> ?
[00:47] <telexicon> I don't know, its supported in the head version of madwifi
[00:47] <pwnguin> wait
[00:47] <telexicon> er trunk
[00:47] <pwnguin> what was wrong with old madwifi?
[00:48] <pwnguin> im using madwifi in gutsy right now
[00:48] <telexicon> the wireless card doesn't work on the macbook
[00:48] <telexicon> unless you use a new madwifi
[00:48] <telexicon> i was wondering why that isnt in hardy yet
[00:48] <telexicon> it would help with asus eeepcs too
[00:49] <pwnguin> good question
[00:49] <pwnguin> there's no real people driving laptop development
[00:49] <pwnguin> is bug #122703 what you're talkin bout?
[00:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122703 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "Upgrade Atheros drivers to snapshot/trunk to support AR5008" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122703
[00:50] <pwnguin> it seems like it'll be fixed soon enough
[00:54] <pwnguin> telexicon: have you updated everything to the latest in hardy?
[01:07] <RyanPrior> I'm most of the way through an upgrade from Gutsy to Hardy and I'm stuck on the very end of the installation step, after it says "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place"
[01:07] <`Matir> RyanPrior, that often takes a few minutes
[01:08] <RyanPrior> `Matir: there were errors and Apport came up and had me file a few bug reports.
[01:09] <`Matir> RyanPrior, ah
[01:09] <RyanPrior> `Matir: Hmm, now it went on to the Cleaning Up step.
[01:22] <lennie> hi,all
[01:23] <lennie> when my hardy login,it prompt "language en_US does not exists,use system default"
[01:26] <ryanpg> hi all... testing ubuntu hardy on a toshiba a215, I find that I can plug/unplug a usb flash drive repeatedly without trouble, however mice and my sound card are not detected when plugged in
[01:26] <ryanpg> dmesg makes no note of the usb device being plugged in
[01:26] <ryanpg> or removed
[01:27] <ryanpg> however, if the mouse is plugged in when the laptop is turned on, dmesg reports it and the system finds it
[01:27] <ryanpg> where do you recommend I start investigating this? udev? dbus? the kernel?
[01:31] <ryanpg> heh, though I just noticed that pulling the drive (after umounted) crashes nautilus too
[01:31] <ryanpg> hrm... actually gnome-panel is what crashed
[01:35] <SeveredCross> Does anyone know about any breakage in Bluetooth stuff?
[01:35] <SeveredCross> I don't seem to get pairing dialogs anymore.
[01:36] <ryanpg> I'm going to try a different kernel, I'll be back if that doesn't work
[02:01] <vecna> hi
[02:01] <vecna> I need help with nvidia driver on hardy heron
[02:02] <vecna> can someone help me please?
[02:05] <telexicon> pwnguin, yea
[02:05] <telexicon> pwnguin, well im going to do fill out a bunch of the laptop testing wiki pages and file bug reports for hardy now
[02:05] <telexicon> pwnguin, because this needs to get done.. theres no excuse.. it just needs to work
[02:06] <telexicon> especially since this is an LTS release
[02:06] <vecna> I got a broken nvidia-glx package
[02:06] <vecna> that I can't reinstall or purge
[02:20] <vecna>  Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libglx.so :x
[02:20] <vecna> hi again
[02:20] <vecna> well i got the driver working again but I can't load glx
[02:26] <articpenguin3800> i cant get hp linux to get my printer to print
[02:26] <articpenguin3800> it detects it and installs the driver
[02:44] <pwnguin> telexicon: well I'm glad you've decided to participate. just remember that it's still under testing as a whole, and ubuntu processes control a very small sliver of open source development. it may be that even madwifi feels the code is not ready for stable support. in any case, if it's not fixed by a certain deadline, you should probably bring it up as an Exception
[02:45] <telexicon> an Exception?
[02:45] <pwnguin> depends on the deadline
[02:45] <pwnguin> basically
[02:45] <pwnguin> there are freezes of various types
[02:45] <pwnguin> new version freeze, etc
[02:45] <telexicon> ok
[02:46] <pwnguin> after which point, more developer attention must be applied to ensure that updates don't break things
[02:47] <pwnguin> in truth, it may be easier to get things accomplished after the freeze, when you can get more developer's attention about serious bugs
[02:47] <telexicon> ok
[02:48] <pwnguin> in the case of madwifi, there is a couple developers who've taken interest
[02:48] <telexicon> i noticed a few regressions on my latitude (compared to gutsy).. especially with the ati xorg driver
[02:48] <pwnguin> well, testing is testing ;)
[02:48] <telexicon> suspend no longer works, and there are graphical bugs when displaying photos
[02:48] <telexicon> half of the picture is black
[03:02] <javatexan> alsa says i have to install alsa 1.0.15rc3 to get my mobo to work....how do I do that...its not in synaptic and I cant find it with apt-get either
[03:03] <javatexan> is there going to be a package released for it soon?
[03:03] <javatexan> i hate to compile the new one and loose the ability to get updates via synaptic/updater
[03:04] <keith> I'm a little confused about the X11 configuration on hardy...  I am trying to install the accelerated ATI drivers, but when I go to edit my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, the Monitor, Device, and Screen sections of the file are all empty... how is the xserver running with an empty xorg.conf file?
[03:27] <andre_pl> where did the restricted driver manager go? i can't enabled desktop effects, I'm assuming because its not using the nvidia driver, but I can't see anywhere to configure it with this new xorg.
[03:37] <`Matir> is FF3 beta 2 in the hardy repos?
[03:37] <crimsun> yes
[03:37] <crimsun> has been for some time
[03:38] <`Matir> I just upgraded a gutsy box and FF still shows as FF2
[03:38] <nekostar> ok
[03:38] <crimsun> the package name is not firefox.
[03:38] <crimsun> it's firefox-3.0
[03:39] <nekostar> is there a way to wrap multiple isos onto a single disk?
[03:39] <`Matir> ah
[03:39] <nekostar> add another layer thats just an option to boot which iso?
[03:39] <`Matir> cool, thanks, crimsun
[03:42]  * nekostar pokes crimsun 
[03:42] <nekostar> hey u usually know lots of stuff lol
[03:44] <pwnguin> nekostar: probably, but i dont think anyone has written it
[03:44] <nekostar> hrm
[03:44] <nekostar> researching some stuff
[03:44] <nekostar> seems there are at least a few windows utils
[03:44] <nekostar> sigh
[03:44] <nekostar> i grabbed all the isos for alpha3
[03:45] <nekostar> and was thinking in the future of creating a custom [all of em] in one type solution
[03:45] <nekostar> this way could include 32/64 bit normal/server/alternates for each flavor
[03:45] <nekostar> would burn into one dvd and could come in REAL handy
[03:48] <nekostar> http://www.linux.com/feature/52927
[03:48] <nekostar> bingo!
[03:48] <nekostar> with broken links but now i got somewhere to follow up on ;)
[03:49] <nekostar> if this works would be perfect - and i think we should have an official version or whatnot opon release
[03:49] <RyanPrior> According to the Ubuntu alpha 3 page, the latest Hardy alpha should have Firefox 3 installed. I've just upgraded to Alpha 3 but it seems that Firefox 2 is still default. Where do I find firefox 3?
[03:49] <nekostar> bittorrent only perhaps
 the package name is not firefox.
 it's firefox-3.0
[03:50] <RyanPrior>  But is it installed by default, or just available?
[03:51] <nekostar> http://pcquest.ciol.com/content/enterprise/2005/105070101.asp
[03:51] <nekostar> RyanPrior i dont know
[03:51] <nekostar> i'm about to install - are you on 32 or 64 bit?
[03:52] <nekostar> and e/k/ubuntu?
[03:52] <RyanPrior> I'm on 32-bit. My computer is terrible, though. Hardy is very broken on it, but Gutsy was too. I use both Ubuntu and Xubuntu.
[03:52] <RyanPrior> The last good release for me was Dapper. Everything since then has been one regression after another. Hardy is a step in the right direction, though. Sound finally works.
[03:53] <nekostar> what hardware do you have?
[03:53] <RyanPrior> Toshiba Satellite A105-S laptop
[03:53] <crimsun> ah, poor thing.
[03:53] <nekostar> whats the numbers with that?
[03:53] <nekostar> 2747 or whatnot
[03:53] <crimsun> You suffer from one of those craptastic Realtek HDA codecs.
[03:53] <RyanPrior> crimsun: You bet. :-)
[03:54] <nekostar> ooooo btw
[03:54] <RyanPrior> Pheonix BIOS is a bucket of laughs too.
[03:54] <nekostar> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157113
[03:54] <nekostar> grabbing that and doing pinmod on my e2160
[03:54] <nekostar> planning to get around 50% overclock on stock heatsync
[03:54] <nekostar> XD
[03:54] <RyanPrior> Neat.
[03:55] <nekostar> and back to your notebook
[03:55] <nekostar> i wouldnt say its horried
[03:55] <nekostar> horrid even
[03:55] <nekostar> what cpu do you have?
[03:55] <nekostar> and what video
[03:55] <RyanPrior> I've been thinking about trying to build my own computer, but I'm also heavily considering getting a ZaReason laptop.
[03:55] <andre_pl> is output hotplugging in Xorg supposed to be working now?
[03:55] <RyanPrior> I have a Celeron M CPU, I think. And an old ATI Mobility card -- very poor support by the latest 3D drivers.
[03:55] <andre_pl> I dont think it really is.
[03:56] <andre_pl> well... maybe?
[03:56] <nekostar> well first
[03:57] <nekostar> i would say support a linux distrobuter if you can afford it
[03:57] <nekostar> wonderful thing to support
[03:57] <nekostar> and secondly i wouldnt worry about that hardware too much
[03:57] <RyanPrior> ZaReason's prices are hardly unreasonable.
[03:57] <nekostar> i mean they got compiz-fusion fully working on an eeepc
[03:57] <nekostar> and youve got MUCH better than a 700mhz arm cpu :P
[03:57] <nekostar> you might wanna try doing something a bit lighter tho
[03:57] <nekostar> try killing trackerd and using xfce
[03:58] <RyanPrior> nekostar: I already kill trackerd.
[03:58] <nekostar> good.
[03:58] <RyanPrior> nekostar: I've got most of the services disabled. I start them when I need them.
[03:58] <nekostar> my personal advice would be server install + generic - server kernel / + x-window-system + window manager + basic proggies
[03:58] <nekostar> should get something flying fast that way
[03:59] <RyanPrior> nekostar: If I wanted a super efficient desktop I wouldn't be using Ubuntu in the first place.
[03:59] <UnNaturalHigh> RyanPrior, you might wanna try e17 from the elbuntu repositories
[03:59] <RyanPrior> nekostar: I've used Arch linux to build light desktop systems, but it's too much config work for my tastes usually. Ubuntu is a little heavier, but it's less hassle.
[04:00] <RyanPrior> UnNaturalHigh: I'm not very comfortable with e17. My web development workflow is based on Gnome, and it's tough for me to get used to e17. I used the e17-debian distro for awhile.
[04:01] <UnNaturalHigh> you can make e17 nearly work almost the same as gnome
[04:01] <nekostar> RyanPrior also check puppy and dsl perhaps
[04:01] <RyanPrior> UnNaturalHigh: what would be the point then? A little bit faster system for how many hours of work and how much documentation to read through?
[04:01] <nekostar> RyanPrior actually that one's REALLY easy
[04:02] <UnNaturalHigh> RyanPrior, if you mean clicking options in the control panel
[04:02] <RyanPrior> nekostar: puppy and DSL are much too light for what I do. I use a lot of tools that those distros don't have.
[04:02] <hydrogen> the difference between e17 and gnome is that gnome makes releases and still looks that bad :p
[04:02] <nekostar> just get the gOS iso
[04:02] <andre_pl> has anyone been able to connect a 2nd display w/out restarting x?
[04:02] <nekostar> built for those 200 dollar pc's at wallmart
[04:02] <UnNaturalHigh> hydrogen, lol
[04:02] <nekostar> and actually work
[04:02] <RyanPrior> gOS is a toy, not suitable for dev work.
[04:02] <nekostar> andre_pl i have - i yhave nvidia card and use the nvidia-settings util
[04:02] <andre_pl> or set up dual monitors at alll?
[04:02] <nekostar> RyanPrior its just a modded ubuntu
[04:02] <nekostar> andre_pl duals are easy
[04:02] <nekostar> what vid card bro
[04:02] <nekostar> oh wait
[04:03] <RyanPrior> nekostar: right. modded to be more toylike.
[04:03] <nekostar> in hardy
[04:03] <nekostar> >_<
[04:03] <andre_pl> yeha :)
[04:03] <nekostar> RyanPrior thats just the interface
[04:03] <andre_pl> i have it working fine in gutsy
[04:03] <nekostar> andre_pl gimme 40 min
[04:03] <RyanPrior> nekostar: Right. I use the interface to get work done.
[04:03] <nekostar> gotta burn and install iso ok?
[04:03] <andre_pl> i want video-output hotplugging, dont want to restart X to hook up a tv or 2nd monitor. that's in 7.3 now right?
[04:04] <UnNaturalHigh> RyanPrior, why don't you just try installing e17 with elbuntu/gos repositories and try rather then dissing it
[04:04] <andre_pl> brb restarting x.. for the 4th time. :)
[04:14] <andre_pl> exit
[04:53] <neztit1> guys ubuntu works on pa-risk machine??
[04:56] <neztit1> guys again --guys ubuntu works on PA-RISK  machine??
[04:56] <hydrogen> patience....
[04:59] <crimsun> neztit1: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/7.10/release/ . Scroll down to the appropriate arch.
[04:59] <crimsun> neztit1: and for hardy, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily/current/ .  Same instructions.
[04:59] <neztit1> :-D
[05:00] <neztit1> :P
[05:10] <keith> is it possible to install w32codecs under 8.04?  I cant find it in the repositories.
[05:17] <DarkMageZ> keith, it's safe to install the 7.10 version. since the contents are purely binary and aren't likely to change.
[05:19] <keith> thats what I thought... I added "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gusty universe multiverse" to my sources.list, but it cant add the 7.10 repository
[05:20] <SeveredCross> gutsy not gusty. ^__^
[05:20] <SeveredCross> That's probably the issue you're having.
[05:21] <keith> lol... i think it might be time to get some sleep :P
[05:21] <nekostar> hehe
[05:21] <nekostar> found a bit of a guide...
[05:21] <nekostar> hopefully this will actually work lol
[05:21] <nekostar> muilti-boot-install dvd here i come :>
[05:31] <Some_Person> Is it true that Hardy will include a brand new theme?
[09:44] <silent> is there a way to change the niceness of daemons/programs on startup?
[11:04] <amikrop> Hello. So, finaly in Hardy, will the famous "Blank ttys when using vesafb (vga=xxx)" bug will be fixed?
[11:04] <amikrop> * finally
[11:20] <AnAnt> Hello, what's kernel modesetting ?
[11:21]  * Hobbsee suggests AnAnt becomes familiar with the pointy end of a google search.
[11:22] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: did that
[11:23] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: all I understand is that it has to do with framebuffer
[11:32] <amikrop> (I bet that guy read that in tha last email of the launchpad mailing list about the bug "Blank ttys when using vesafb (vga=xxx)".
[11:32] <amikrop> This is where I read that, too.
[11:32] <amikrop> * the
[11:35] <Arelis> Where do i get pages that show me the new features of a "herd" or "tribe" or whatever it is now?
[11:42] <Hobbsee> see lists.ubuntu.com - ubuntu devel announce
[11:43] <Arelis> Hobbsee: thank you :)
[12:35] <gilster> ,
[13:43] <Wizard> hello
[13:45] <Wizard> is hurdy available for powerpc ?
[13:50] <elbermungsterses> how to enable hardy respitories in gusty?
[13:51] <scizzo-> elbermungsterses: you shouldn't run hardy if you even ask that question actually....
[13:51] <Wizard> !hurdy
[13:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hurdy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:51] <scizzo-> Wizard: hardy you mean
[13:51] <Wizard> !hardy
[13:51] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[13:51] <Wizard> :)
[13:51] <Wizard> thanks
[13:51] <scizzo-> read the topic otherwise
[14:09] <mykas0> hi everyone
[14:10] <Ziroda1> hi
[14:10] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[14:10] <MetaMorfoziS> i want to try hardy live cd
[14:10] <mykas0> I'm a computer science student and, for some reasons, I need to fully reinstall my Ubuntu - obviously, I'd want the latest version, and my concern is that this alpha may not allow me to upgrade to the next alphas, betas and final versions... how does that work?
[14:11] <MetaMorfoziS> (kubuntu, but this isn't matters at my space)
[14:11] <MetaMorfoziS> so after boot i only get blinking "_" cursor
[14:11] <TheInfinity> mykas0: just apt-get update && apt.-get upgrade
[14:11] <MetaMorfoziS> and nothing else, i have tried vga=771 noapic nolapic
[14:11] <MetaMorfoziS> any other idea?
[14:11] <mykas0> TheInfinity, but will that work?
[14:11] <TheInfinity> the next aplha / beta / etc comes as regualar update
[14:11] <TheInfinity> it works like alpha versions always work
[14:12] <TheInfinity> if you have unluck your system breaks in parts or complete
[14:12] <Ziroda1> mykas0: I recommend you run 7.10 if you are unsure, 8.04 is no where stable yet
[14:12] <TheInfinity> you need some skills if you want to test alpha versions
[14:12] <TheInfinity> Ziroda1: "not stable" is a nice description ;)
[14:12] <Ziroda1> lol
[14:13] <mykas0> Ziroda1, I know, but as a computer science student, and i want it for testing purposes, too
[14:13] <mykas0> :)
[14:13] <TheInfinity> i test kubuntu alpha, and i already found lots of bugs ;)
[14:13] <TheInfinity> mykas0: never install a alpha as your main system
[14:13] <TheInfinity> if its just a test computer / test partition you can test it
[14:14] <mykas0> TheInfinity, virtual machine
[14:14] <Ziroda1> mykas0: how long have you ran linux for?
[14:14] <TheInfinity> mykas0: yes, i use VMs to test
[14:14] <mykas0> that's what I'll be doing, too
[14:14] <mykas0> you know... I used to run Ubuntu as my main OS, but unfortunately it doesn't have drivers for my usb modem
[14:15] <TheInfinity> mykas0: this is often not a problem of kubuntu version
[14:15] <TheInfinity> more a problem of properitary drivers
[14:15] <TheInfinity> just ask at #ubuntu
[14:16] <mykas0> I know, but last time that lead to a 3-day conversation, and ultimately I figured out that it was just way too hard
[14:16] <mykas0> my usb modem is part of the "random craptastic series"
[14:17] <TheInfinity> mykas0: google helps :)
[14:17] <TheInfinity> and experience in linux ...
[14:18] <mykas0> TheInfinity, yep, but I asked it in the ubuntu channel around and in the boards
[14:28] <mykas0> well, thanks for everything!
[14:31] <TheInfinity> hmm
[14:31] <TheInfinity> is there a problem with OOo atm?
[14:31] <TheInfinity> or should i report this as bug?
[14:35] <Hobbsee> sure, it's big and unweildy.
[14:35] <Hobbsee> and?
[14:39] <Oli``> How do I find out what depends on a package? both update-manager and apt are crashing out when installing updates on libflickrnet2.1.5-cil
[14:39] <selckin> man aptitude
[14:46] <Hobbsee> Oli``: apt-cache rdepends foo, iirc
[14:50] <volk> I can't get my usb mouse to work after upgrading to hardy :S
[14:50] <volk> it does get detected by the kernel, but I cannot use it
[15:16] <sn0> setting up gnome-power-manager 2.21.1-0ubuntu1 Installing new version of config file /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-power-manager.desktop is taking an age today :I 15minutes and still accessing hd
[15:20] <sn0> there we go, bug 182130 still happening i see
[15:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182130 in libflickrnet "package libflickrnet2.1.5-cil 25277-5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182130
[15:22] <sn0> Oli`` you might want to check that bug ^ :)
[15:54] <swx_> Hello all
[15:55] <swx_> I have problem with AINOS overcloking options of my ASUS board, I think it speed up ubuntu/system clock, is it possible ? thks
[15:56] <mrtimdog> Anyone know how to send a Sun STOP-A from a standard keyboard from cu?
[16:22] <PriceChild> swx_, undo the changes and see if things are fixed?
[16:33] <Oli``> sn0: thanks, that looks about right. I don't know why you would, but I don't suppose you know how long something like that would take to fix? It says there's a committed fix but it doesn't seem to have filtered into the repos yet
[16:36] <sn0> no idea sorry Oli`` , soon i would suspect :)
[16:36] <Oli``> fair enough sn0 - thanks for kicking me in the correct direction
[16:36] <sn0> your welcome :)
[16:37] <sn0> as you have posted on the bug link, you should get updates when anything new is added / commented about
[16:37] <sn0> going shopping, cya
[16:42] <swx_> PriceChild: Yes I tried and now my clock seems to be synch
[16:42] <swx_> PriceChild: do you really think its not my imagination?
[16:43] <PriceChild> swx_, overclocking is dangerous and can cause random problems
[16:43] <swx_> PriceChild: I was aware of that, but I thought that my board jumper free options were safe
[16:44] <swx_> meybe it is for M$ and not for nix systems
[16:44] <PriceChild> swx_, overclocking is overclocking
[16:44] <swx_> ok thks for the hint ;)
[16:45] <PriceChild> swx_, if you are trying to increase the performance of your hardware past is rating... then there will normally be consequences
[16:47] <swx_> PriceChild: so theres no way for me to oclock my board ? I dont really need it but I am very curious.. overcloacking a cpu can lead to this type of problem ?
[16:49] <swx_> maybe others components of the board were overcloaked too
[16:57] <Oli``> swx_ & PriceChild: Re: "overclocking is overclocking"; ASUS provide overclocking tools that work under Windows to enable dynamic overclocking. I'm not sure if they provide Linux alternatives, but this is something to ask ASUS for, not Ubuntu so much
[16:57] <PriceChild> Oli``, true
[16:58] <PriceChild> swx_, components are rated to a certain performance
[16:58] <PriceChild> swx_, the overclocking software will give you warnings that it is dangerous and can damage your hardware.
[16:59] <pvandewyngaerde> how do i install virtualbox on hardy ?
[16:59] <Oli``> swx_: you have the option of setting the clock speeds under the BIOS but I fully agree with you, as another ASUS user and overclocker that ASUS should make an equivilent Linux tool
[17:00] <swx_> I would find it dangerous to play with these settings manually
[17:00] <swx_> but I will ask this question to an asus tech
[17:01] <swx_> thks for your support Oli``
[17:01] <Oli``> swx_: Well if you don't know exactly what you're doing (and I mean no offence intended toward you), you probably shouldn't be playing around with the clock speeds. Things can go pretty bad if you push it too far and you *can* do that using their "automated" tools
[17:02] <swx_> ok
[17:02] <swx_> at this time I did try some very tiny oclock... like 10 of 15 % iin heavy load time
[17:03] <swx_> with the automatic tool..
[17:03] <swx_> but as I saw it cause me more problems than it gices benefit, my system is pretty fast with ubuntu... so I think Ill let it go.. :)
[17:08] <sn0> pvandewyngaerde as there are no pre-built packages yet, you could compile the OSE source of virtualbox, their website includes instructions.
[17:08] <sn0> hrm ignore that, there is virtualbox-ose in universe :) try that
[17:09] <sn0> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose/+bug/156210
[17:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156210 in virtualbox-ose "Please sync virtualbox-ose 1.5.4-dfsg-1 from debian unstable" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[17:09] <pvandewyngaerde> libicu38 [3.8-5 (hardy, now)]
[17:09] <pvandewyngaerde> libxalan110 [1.10-3.1 (hardy, now)]
[17:09] <pvandewyngaerde> libxerces27 [2.7.0-5 (hardy, now)]
[17:09] <pvandewyngaerde> virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.22-14-generic [6 (hardy, now)]
[17:10] <mrtimdog> I'm just installing HH via net onto sparc 64 (a Netra X1)... painful at 9600 baud, but it is a little old!
[17:10] <infinitycircuit> mrtimdog: wow you have a great deal of patience
[17:11] <infinitycircuit> mrtimdog: if you want to really kill yourself you can try testing the new port of openbsd on that machine
[17:11] <mrtimdog> Ah, sorry, bit misleading! The tty is at 9600 baud, net is broadband :)
[17:11] <infinitycircuit> mrtimdog: ah yes well i remember the days of 200 baud modens
[17:11] <infinitycircuit> so that brought me back to that
[17:11] <mrtimdog> I used to use FreeBSD. I may do sometime!
[17:16] <mrtimdog> That's odd. You can't configure LVM using manual partitioning on the install, but it's offered for guided partitioning? I'm sure you used to be able to?
[17:20] <mrtimdog> For guided partitioning during install, as well as offering a "Guided - use entire disk and set up LVM", an offer of "Guided - use all disks and set up LVM" may be an idea?
[18:19] <mrtimdog> Damn, failed to install my sparc server :( ... SILO install failed but I can't tell why.
[19:03] <MenZa> Am I the only one having issues with dist-upgrading in Hardy? I'm getting some “unresolvable dependency issues” with openoffice.org-l10n-en-za and -gb
[20:44] <RyanPrior> Totem won't play sound for me.
[20:44] <RyanPrior> It comes up with an error message. Rhythmbox, however, plays sound just fine.
[21:03] <atoponce> will hardy have the tickless kernel for x86_64? i know it's not in gutsy right now...
[21:03] <RyanPrior> Yes.
[21:04] <atoponce> good to know
[21:04] <atoponce> thx
[21:39] <RyanPrior> How does ALSA differ from PulseAudio?
[21:45] <Oli``> Hi I upgraded to hardy from gutsy and now all my video players have dodgy hue (I need to set the hue to 0 in each player for normal playback)
[21:46] <awalton__> RyanPrior, PA is a sound server, ALSA is a hardware driver architecture.
[21:47] <awalton__> PA sends sound to ALSA (or OSS, or a network feed) for playback
[21:48] <RyanPrior> awalton__: Thanks.
[21:59] <RoC_MasterMind> How do I upgrade my Ubuntu server to hardy alpha?
[22:02] <afflux> RoC_MasterMind: try: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[22:02] <Ayabara> If I accept the occasional bump in the road, is Hardy in such a state that I can use it on a daily basis (I've read the topic) :-)
[22:03] <afflux> Ayabara: it is working for me quite well, but it can break anytime.
[22:03] <telexicon> theres some broken stuff in apt right now
[22:03] <telexicon> some mono package
[22:04] <Ayabara> afflux: I'm aware of that, so I'm trying to figure out a strategy :-). Currently I have only Gutsy installed on my system.
[22:04] <afflux> gnome keyboard shortcuts aren't working for me.
[22:27] <cdm10> displayconfig-gtk appears badly broken in Hardy...
[22:27] <cdm10> anyone else noticing this?
[22:28] <afflux> what's actually broken?
[22:28] <cdm10> afflux: well, i'll upload a screenshot
[22:28] <cdm10> hold on, i have to start the vm to do it
[22:28] <afflux> no hurry
[22:28] <picard_pwns_kirk> how can I enable the edge scrolling for my touchpad?
[22:29] <picard_pwns_kirk> I sorta can't edit the xorg.conf file, since there isn't one
[22:29] <pwnguin> i think if you go to system preferences mouse
[22:30] <cdm10> i don't think that has touchpad settings
[22:30] <cdm10> try installing the "gsynaptics" package
[22:31] <picard_pwns_kirk> cdm10: now what?
[22:31] <cdm10> picard_pwns_kirk: run it
[22:32] <picard_pwns_kirk> GSynaptics couldn't initialize.
[22:32] <picard_pwns_kirk> You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XF86Config to use GSynaptics
[22:32] <cdm10> picard_pwns_kirk: oh...
[22:32] <cdm10> alright
[22:32] <picard_pwns_kirk> tell me, why did the xorg devels remove xorg.conf?
[22:33] <cdm10> I think you can create one to set custom settings
[22:33] <afflux> mine isn't removed.
[22:33] <crimsun> you absolutely may create a custom one.
[22:33] <afflux> okay, that might be the point ;)
[22:33] <cdm10> Heh, I actually have one
[22:33] <cdm10> no idea why
[22:33] <picard_pwns_kirk> I did a fresh install
[22:34] <picard_pwns_kirk> so I don't have one
[22:34] <cdm10> i did a fresh install
[22:34] <cdm10> and i have one
[22:34] <picard_pwns_kirk> huh
[22:34] <cdm10> hmm, maybe displayconfig-gtk created it
[22:34] <cdm10> perhaps it hasn't been updated yet
[22:36] <afflux> crimsun: it looks like we have several bugs about non-existant 'xorg.conf's (e.g. bug 174819). So it is intended that xorg.conf doesn't exist? How should those bugs be handled?
[22:36] <ubotu> Bug 174819 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/174819 is private
[22:36] <cdm10> afflux: screenshot: http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/43/Screenshot.png
[22:37] <cdm10> all the dropdowns are empty
[22:37] <cdm10> as is the ListView on the left
[22:37] <cdm10> also, are they planning on updating the rest of the administration programs to use PolicyKit?
[22:38] <afflux> cdm10: I think mine looked similar when I hat no xorg.conf
[22:39] <crimsun> afflux: that particular bug is fine
[22:39] <crimsun> (no additional triage necessary)
[22:39] <cdm10> afflux: well, i assume they're going to make displayconfig-gtk work with this new xorg.conf-less X system...
[22:40] <crimsun> cdm10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/PolicyKitIntegration
[22:41] <cdm10> I also have a question about PulseAudio
[22:41] <crimsun> ask away.
[22:41] <cdm10> ...where is it?
[22:41] <cdm10> lol
[22:41] <cdm10> I can't find the pulseaudio settings anywhere in hardy.
[22:41] <cdm10> Is it not set up by default?
[22:42] <crimsun> if you installed Alpha 2 or newer fresh, then you have it enabled by default.
[22:42] <cdm10> crimsun: I have Alpha 3 fresh
[22:42] <crimsun> right, so it's enabled by default properly.
[22:42] <crimsun> what are you looking for?
[22:42] <cdm10> crimsun: alright, how can i get to the settings?
[22:42] <crimsun> what settings?
[22:42] <cdm10> Isn't there some UI that lets me set up network sharing and stuff?
[22:42] <cdm10> And set which soundcards to use for which sources...
[22:42] <crimsun> sure.  Install the padevchooser package.
[22:43] <cdm10> ah, ok
[22:43] <cdm10> so, that stuff isn't going to be set up by default
[22:43] <cdm10> got it
[22:43] <crimsun> it's not currently installed by default, because it has not been established that it can be configured well [by default] without headaches.
[22:44] <cdm10> crimsun: ok. Will Gutsy upgrades to Hardy final have PulseAudio set up properly?
[22:44] <crimsun> we've got it working well in ESounD-emulation, which is the intent.
[22:44] <cdm10> what's the point of running PulseAudio in ESD emulation mode if the other PulseAudio features aren't going to be enabled?
[22:45] <Tomcat_> One guess would be so you can have a slow migration to PA. :)
[22:45] <cdm10> Makes sense :)
[22:45] <crimsun> cdm10: I don't recall saying they _aren't_ going to be enabled.
[22:45] <cdm10> I guess I don't think like a distro maintainer.
[22:46] <cdm10> crimsun: you said that only fresh installs of Alpha 2/3 have it enabled by default... will upgrades from Gutsy to Hardy final have it set up properly?
[22:46] <crimsun> cdm10: it depends on the state of the gutsy system.
[22:46] <cdm10> crimsun: what do you mean by that?
[22:46] <crimsun> obviously it will be much more hairy to handle customised PA installs on gutsy and have them migrate cleanly to hardy.
[22:47] <cdm10> ah, ok
[22:47] <cdm10> but assuming I haven't messed with my sound system...
[22:47] <crimsun> if, however, one has a standard gutsy system without PA installed (and using "nearly" the default Ubuntu settings), then yes, one will have a fairly painless migration to a PA-enabled hardy.
[22:48] <cdm10> ok
[22:48] <crimsun> it's a real coverage pain, heh.  We have to test 5.10, 6.06, 6.10, 7.04, and 7.10 dist-upgrades.
[22:49] <cdm10> crimsun: why, though? I thought the only supported upgrade path was gutsy --> hardy?
[22:49] <cdm10> Oh, 'cause it's an LTS, right?
[22:49] <crimsun> yes, because someone will still be upgrading from 5.10
[22:49] <crimsun> it's not supported, but dist-upgrading to a supported release is still there.
[22:50] <cdm10> ok
[22:50] <crimsun> my next task is figuring out what to do with all these friggin utilities' .desktop entries.
[22:51] <cdm10> crimsun: which?
[22:51] <crimsun> it really doesn't make any sense to have menu entries for all of padevchooser, paman, pavucontrol, and pavumeter.
[22:51] <cdm10> yeah, it's a bit of a mess
[22:51] <cdm10> btw, i noticed a bug when i installed hardy, a few of the Administration tools that were switched to PolicyKit still called gksudo in the .desktop file, which broke them
[22:52] <crimsun> on the other hand, I can't assume that everyone is going to willy-nilly install padevchooser, though that's what I would likely recommend.
[22:52] <crimsun> cdm10: yes, that migration is on-going.  Please file bugs as you encounter them, thanks!
[22:52] <cdm10> alright :)
[22:52] <cdm10> as for the pa stuff, i think they should be moved out of Sound and Video
[22:52] <cdm10> it seems like something that belongs in System somewhere
[22:53] <crimsun> does a volume control applet belong in the System>Preferences menu, though?  I deem not.
[22:53] <crimsun> (IMNSHO)
[22:54] <crimsun> and - it seems overkill to place the functionality of a volume control applet in the existing PulseAudio Preferences dialog.
[22:54] <cdm10> crimsun: all of the pa tools appear in the context menu of the notification applet, so what about getting rid of everything except some sort of option as to whether or not to display that applet?
[22:55] <crimsun> cdm10: one approach I've considered is to hide all the icons (similar to what's done for eog) except for padevchooser's
[22:56] <crimsun> Martin is pretty set on not cluttering the tray with an additional sound icon by default, and I agree.
[22:57] <cdm10> crimsun: well, perhaps by hardy+1, there will be time to work on the UI and perhaps unify the audio configuration a bit more... integrate PA stuff into the volume controls and notification applets, for instance.
[22:57] <crimsun> there are some disadvantages, however, to hiding the icons for all save padevchooser's.
[22:57] <pwnguin> so what is the situation with policykit?
[22:57] <crimsun> e.g., apt-get install pavucontrol  ->  "uh, where's the menu entry?!"
[22:57] <crimsun> pwnguin: please clarify
[22:57] <pwnguin> does this mean pam is gone?
[22:58] <crimsun> pwnguin: absolutely not.  It means we skip libpam-foreground.
[22:58] <crimsun> (PK is not a wholescale replacement for PAM.)
[22:58] <pwnguin> ok
[22:58] <cdm10> crimsun: i think PA just has too many tools :)
[22:59] <crimsun> cdm10: I think it was designed for "power users" - like ALSA - and exploded.
[22:59] <crimsun> ALSA, of course, is another bag of beans altogether, and I'll save that one for another time.
[23:00] <cdm10> crimsun: I'm not a fan of their GUIs... I think that some of the functionality offered by PA could be useful for non-power-users, but to get that functionality, you have to install the confusing power-user GUI.
[23:00] <crimsun> cdm10: agreed, and there're plans to address that, probably by Red Hat.
[23:01] <cdm10> crimsun: Red Hat did the system-config-* stuff, right?
[23:01] <crimsun> personally, there are other issues, too.  I need to ensure that OSS, OSS/Free, and ALSA are swappable.
[23:01] <crimsun> cdm10: yes
[23:01] <cdm10> crimsun: btw, are there any plans for making filesharing a little easier in hardy?
[23:01] <cdm10> as in, networked file servers
[23:02] <crimsun> cdm10: I don't know offhand; please see the approved specs for hardy.
[23:02] <cdm10> crimsun: where can i find a list of the approved ones?
[23:03] <crimsun> cdm10: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/
[23:03] <crimsun> the Design column will list "Approved"
[23:03] <cdm10> thanks
[23:37] <mrtimdog> I've just got a 'kernel BUG at include/linux/netdevice.h:405!' message in syslog when trying to setup the machine as a wireless router.