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=== ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Kubuntu Developers Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 14:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development | 18 Jan 12:00 UTC: MOTU | 23 Jan 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 30 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting
jussi01thanks jpatrick10:54
jpatrickjussi01: no problem10:54
jussi01good evening Hobbsee10:56
Hobbseeheya110:56
jpatrickright...10:56
Hobbseeright.10:58
jpatrickhere we go10:59
* Lure just added one topic, so that we have something to discuss ;-)11:00
jpatrickLure: better be the party food..11:00
Lurejpatrick: not sure if I want virtual party food ;-)11:00
* Lure eats some baklava instead ;-)11:00
* Lure still waits for wiki to accept his change :-(11:01
jpatrickLure: it's there11:01
jpatrickRiddell: ping!11:01
Hobbseepong11:01
LureRiddell has party hangover ;-)11:01
Hobbseeoh noes, i'ts Keybuk!11:01
Lureor better is taking some sleeping overtime to recover ;-)11:02
nosrednaekimhey everyone11:03
jpatrickso, we start without our leader?11:05
fdovinghi.11:05
jpatrickvorian: around?11:05
* vorian waves11:05
vorianhowdy11:05
Nightrosemorning :)11:05
Hobbseejpatrick: want to chair?11:06
emonkeygood morning11:06
nosrednaekimits like... 6 here...11:06
nosrednaekimuhhg11:06
jpatrick#startmeeting11:06
MootBotMeeting started at 11:06. The chair is jpatrick.11:06
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]11:06
Hobbseewhere's our agenda?11:06
jpatrickshould we do members first?11:07
jpatrick[LINK] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings11:07
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings11:07
Hobbseedo we have quorum?11:07
Hobbseeme, lure....11:07
jpatrickHobbsee: we can mail the log later?11:07
Lurenixternal, kwwi, Tonio_, Riddell: ping11:07
* Hobbsee looks for Riddell's number11:08
jpatricki think it's on his site11:09
* Nightrose thinks riddell gets some much needed sleep right now11:09
mhbI'd start with the topic first and do members once jr arrives (he usually does)11:09
* Hobbsee sends a sms11:09
Hobbseejpatrick: go for the topic.11:10
Hobbseeit'll be cause for more discussion anyway11:10
Hobbseehopefully nixternal will appear, too11:10
jpatrick[TOPIC] Kubuntu touch of KDE4 look11:10
MootBotNew Topic:  Kubuntu touch of KDE4 look11:10
nosrednaekimits 5 where he is...I doubt it11:10
jpatrickLure: it's your point :)11:11
Lureare there any plans to do any changes to kde4 artwork to make it "kubuntu"-like?11:11
LureI would not like to digress from default look, just add some indication that it is kubuntu11:11
* jpatrick thinks we need Riddell 11:11
Luresuse adds logo to kickoff menu11:11
Lurejpatrick: we can still discuss and do not make decision ;-)11:12
smarterThe K logo at the top right of konq4 look really out of place11:12
Lurebut it would be good to have Riddell and kwwii11:12
nosrednaekimLure: I think that we generally don't have logos on things.11:12
Lurenosrednaekim: I think we need to improve that11:12
jpatrickLure: I think the logo on the kickoff would be good11:12
Hobbseeup to now, the idea has been that we distribute a usable, but close version of kde311:13
Hobbsees/3//11:13
jpatrickwe had it in KDE311:13
Lurenosrednaekim: we are more and more differentiated towards ubuntu, so we should have some insignia11:13
Lurejpatrick: exactly11:13
mhbLure: we should respect the ubuntu branding policy11:13
Lurejpatrick: and that level was about right11:13
Luremhb: sure, but this does not prevent us to use kubuntu logos11:13
Lurelike we already do for usplash11:14
* Hobbsee notes that ubuntu already has it's own menu logo11:14
LureI would keep K logo on panel, but would be good to differentiate article screenshots by distribution somehow11:15
Lureanyway, I do not think we can conclude on this today (ENORIDDELL, ENOKWWII) ;-)11:15
nosrednaekimspeaking of Kmenu, are we going to use Kickoff? the simple menu is packages and its very nice.11:16
Lurenosrednaekim: I would personally not change that11:17
nosrednaekim:(11:17
LureI had problems at first (getting used to), but now I even use it instead of katapult11:17
Lurejust search and execute11:17
mhbLure: doesn't it launch google when nothing is found?11:18
* Nightrose thinks it is horrible to use on a laptop with touchpad11:18
Nightrosebut on my desktop it is nice11:18
Hobbseeerk, the new kmenu.11:18
Nightroseand I had to make it show more items to make it usable for me11:19
Nightrose15 now here11:19
nosrednaekimin any case, I think it would be nice to be able to right clickon it like regular kickoff and select the old style menu.11:20
jpatrickLure: how does suse put their logo in?11:20
Lurejpatrick: below icons11:20
jpatricki was thinking maybe up the righthand side :)11:21
fdovingi like the new kickoff, it's pretty much quicker to find things once you get used to it, and i use a laptop with touchpad/point.11:21
mikkael12 entries is max @ the new menu i think11:21
Luremikkael: no, you can configure it11:22
* Lure uses 1511:22
NightroseLure: hehe /me too11:22
Lurejpatrick: I would preffer that (similar to kde3)11:22
fdovingi use 10, but the default should also fit nicely in atleast a 1024x768 resolution.11:22
Lurejpatrick: I like that icons are near the K icon11:22
mikkaelim on 1024*768 and i cant get it bigger than 12..11:23
jpatrickright-hand side after the arrows :)11:24
fdovingmikkael: right, so the default 10 is probably sane.11:24
Luremikkael: ups, this is really little - I am probably not representative as I like small (8-9pt) fonts on 1920x1200 screen11:25
jpatrickmorgen allee11:27
fdovinghi allee.11:27
Hobbseeguten tag allee!  Wie gehts?11:27
jpatrickshall we intrograte vorian now?11:28
alleehi together11:28
alleeHobbsee: hallo dein deutsch wird von meeting to meeting immer besser!11:28
jpatrickallee: eben wann es "geht's" ist? :)11:29
Hobbseejpatrick: +1, we'll send the rest by mail11:29
Hobbseeallee: haha :)11:30
jpatrickok, should we discuss having a #kubunt-kde4?11:30
* Tonio_ is sorry for beeing that late....11:30
jussi01yes!11:30
jpatrick#kubuntu-kde4 channel?11:30
Lurejpatrick: why do we need separate channel11:30
jpatrickLure: ton of users asking11:31
* Lure has problems following too many channels already ;-)11:31
nosrednaekimno, don't do that. However, it is awfully crazy now that there are two versions of kde people can be talking about11:31
jpatrick[TOPIC] Possiblity of a #kubuntu-kde4 channel11:31
MootBotNew Topic:  Possiblity of a #kubuntu-kde4 channel11:31
LureI do not hang out much in #kubuntu, but if it would help in support, it may probably work11:31
jussi01I feel #kubuntu is becoming inundated with kde4 questions, shutting out kde3 users11:31
voriani think it's a good idea to have a separate channel.11:32
LureI am fine if kubuntu ops in the #kubuntu channel make that decision11:32
mikkaelfdoving: i took screenshots of the new k-menu's default size (10 entries) and one with the max entries (i said 30, but its 12) on 1024*768, if you want to have a look..?11:32
fdovingi am fine with kde4 questions in #kubuntu.11:32
Riddellgah11:33
HobbseeRif11:34
fdovingmikkael: sure. i can have a look. i use 10 myself, on 1440x900.11:34
HobbseeRiddell: finally :)11:34
LureRiddell: welcome recovery ;-)11:34
mikkaelfdoving: do you know a place where i can post ?11:34
jussi01hi Riddell :)11:34
jpatrickwb Riddell11:34
Riddellwhat did I miss?11:35
alleefdoving: I'm not in #kubuntu, so I can just if KDE4 question really 'shutting out kde3 users'.   If yes,   -kde4 may make sense until 4.1 when everything is rock solid in 4 land11:35
fdovingmikkael: http://imageshack.us/11:35
NightroseRiddell: short discussion on kickoff and kubuntu branking in kde411:35
fdovingallee: its not like we answer kde3 questions only, it's about vsftpd, ssh, apache, mysql.11:35
jpatrickRiddell: Kubuntu kde4 artwork on kickoff and now we're on #kubuntu-kde411:35
Nightroseand now #kubuntu-kde4 or not11:35
fdovingamong other things.11:35
alleefdoving: of course ;)11:36
jpatrickok, should vote on the channel thingy?11:37
LureRiddell, Tonio_: http://pastebin.com/m78ef6fe311:37
* allee +1 only if KDE4 question make > 80 % of traffic in #kubuntu for a longer time11:38
jussi01+1 on #kubuntu-kde4 from me.11:38
Tonio_Lure: checking11:38
jpatrick[VOTE] #kubuntu-kde411:39
MootBotPlease vote on:  #kubuntu-kde4.11:39
MootBotPublic votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot11:39
MootBotE.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting11:39
fdoving-1 on another special channel from me.11:39
MootBot-1 received from fdoving. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -111:39
* allee doubt that's true. So -1 ;)11:39
jussi01+111:39
MootBot+1 received from jussi01. 1 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 011:39
mikkael+111:39
MootBot+1 received from mikkael. 2 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 111:39
jpatrickevil bot11:39
nosrednaekim-111:39
MootBot-1 received from nosrednaekim. 2 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 011:39
Lure+0, as I think it is a decision that irc operators/supporters should made based on experience11:39
Riddell-1 too many irc channels already11:39
MootBot-1 received from Riddell. 2 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -111:39
nosrednaekimnot a member ...but I don't like it.11:40
Tonio_-1 for me too11:40
MootBot-1 received from Tonio_. 2 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -211:40
Hobbsee+111:40
MootBot+1 received from Hobbsee. 3 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -111:40
nosrednaekimAnd I think I spend enough time in there that I should be able to vote :)11:40
jpatrick+1 but I'm on the too many channels11:40
MootBot+1 received from jpatrick. 4 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 011:40
Luregood, decided ;-)11:40
jpatrick#endvote11:40
fdovingallee: the bot didn't register your /me thing.11:40
mikkaelmax size: http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12zi9.png default: http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10dq6.png. but 12 is still not enough for me so im back on the traditional menu11:41
jpatrickso... vorian up next?11:41
Riddellvorian: here?11:42
vorianyep11:42
fdovingmikkael: i'm sure you can get more if you put the menu on the panel.11:42
vorianhello11:42
jpatrick[TOPIC] Steve Stalcup's membership11:42
MootBotVote is in progress. Finishing now.11:42
MootBotFinal result is 4 for, 4 against. 0 abstained. Total: 011:42
MootBotNew Topic:  Steve Stalcup's membership11:42
vorianHello,  I am Steve and I am a Kubuntu-a-holic.  (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StephenStalcup)(https://launchpad.net/~vorian)11:42
vorianI stepped down as the TL for my LoCo team so they could start a council.  This has allowed me to focus more on helping out with QA etc, and really dig in and learn maintaining.11:43
vorianand more specifically helping out Kubuntu11:43
mikkaelfdoving: nope, maybe my resolution limits it11:43
Lurevorian: I see you are ubuntu member already, so what is the reason for applying for kubuntu membership too? just recognition?11:43
alleefdoving: that's fine.  I've /me +1 and -1 and I'm never in #kubuntu.  So  0 from me is fair11:43
vorianLure, just want to be part of the team :)11:45
Hobbseevorian: why, though?11:45
Lurevorian: ok, so what were the kubuntu-specific that you were doing in past months?11:45
jpatrickvorian has been busy with packages :)11:46
vorianpackaging, bug triage11:47
Riddellyou know I don't think I've seen your package of kdetorrent-kde411:47
Riddellnixternal never did upload it11:47
vorianhttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent-kde411:47
vorianthere it is11:48
vorianalso kmldonkey11:48
vorianhttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmldonkey-kde411:48
Riddellooh, good, my mistake11:48
vorian:)11:49
Luresince vorian is ubuntu-member already, I am fine giving +1 based on these two contributions already (as he had for sure had others ubuntu contributions before)11:50
Riddellvorian: do you plan to go for MOTU at some point?11:51
vorianRiddell: that is my hope11:51
Riddellvorian: are you a recent convert to kubuntu or have you always used kde?11:51
Hobbseefine by me, seems strange to go for kubuntu after though11:51
vorianthanks Lure11:51
vorianRiddell: nixternal got me using kde about 4 months ago11:52
Riddellhe can be a persuasive chap11:52
vorianlol11:52
Tonio_hehe11:52
Riddell+1 from me for helping with the 4.0 packaging11:52
Tonio_+1 for me too11:53
RiddellHobbsee: was that a +1?11:53
Riddellwell we're at quorum anyway, welcome to kubuntu membership vorian11:54
vorianthanks Lure, Hobbsee, Tonio_, and Riddell :)11:54
vorian:)11:54
jussi01congrats vorian11:54
HobbseeRiddell: yes11:54
jpatrickvorian: congrats11:54
Riddellany other memberships?11:54
vorianthanks :)11:54
Lurewelcome vorian - and hope to see more contributions from you in future11:55
alleevorian: congrats from me too!11:55
Riddellany other business?11:55
* nosrednaekim thinks that maybe he'll go for membership next time11:55
vorianthanks allee :)11:55
alleeand welcome in the wonderful world of KDE4 ;)11:55
vorianLure: you can count on it :)11:55
LureRiddell: what is your opinion about adding kubuntu insignia to kde4?11:55
LureRiddell: we discussed kickoff menu11:55
RiddellLure: I notice opensuse add their logo to the kickoff menu, someone could hunt out that patch11:56
Tonio_Riddell: can do11:56
Riddellthanks Tonio_11:56
LureRiddell: I am only not sure I like suse solution11:56
Tonio_Riddell: no pb11:56
LureI would preffer side logo, like in kde311:56
Tonio_Lure: +1, I really hate kickoff11:57
LureTonio_: I am not suggesting to use simple menu, just side logo in kickoff ;-)11:57
jpatrickRiddell: I thought you loved it11:57
nosrednaekimTonio_: yeah, I was happy when I discovered the simple menu :)11:57
jpatrickTonio_: *11:57
* Lure got used to kickoff (much faster than kde3 version)11:57
Tonio_Riddell: patch will be done tomorow probably11:57
Tonio_Lure: I understood tat, I just wanted to troll a bit about the long debated kickoff menu hehe :)11:58
LureTonio_: ;-)11:58
nosrednaekimanother thing I wanted to mention was hte whole kdesu problem in kde411:58
Tonio_Riddell: what's the cycle for importing .pot files in rosetta ?11:59
Riddellthere should be sudo support in kdesu so I think that's just a case of finding the argument for cmake in kdebase11:59
nosrednaekimwill symbolic linking the kde4 kdesu to kdesudo work?11:59
Tonio_Riddell: we need to blog a bit for translators to spend some time on guidance, now all strings are in the pot11:59
Tonio_Riddell: woot ! real sudo support ? that's nice :)11:59
RiddellTonio_: ask carlos, but message freeze isn't for a while11:59
RiddellTonio_: no, just same as in kde 3.  a kde 4 port of kdesudo would be best12:00
Tonio_Riddell: okay, I currently try to improve my c++ knownledge to clean up the code, but yeah, porting kdesudo to kde4 shouldn't be that hard, the code is very simple...12:00
Tonio_Riddell: would be nice to have for hardy or can that wait for hardy +1 ?12:01
nosrednaekimRiddell: ah ok, because that is the major complaint right now. but i'm glad it can be easily fixed.12:01
Tonio_Riddell: I have other priorities and as you know I prefer to spend my time on kde3 atm, that's why I didn't do much on the kde4 side... everybody seems to forget about kde3 ;)12:02
Tonio_kde3 dialog boxes have to  be fixed or example... lots of things like that12:02
LureTonio_: kde3 is so '90s since yesterday ;-)12:02
nosrednaekim:)12:03
Tonio_Lure: but still our default DM, and for a while12:03
Tonio_I don't consider kde4 a desktop manager atm, more like a framework12:03
LureTonio_: sure, I plan to have it on my work laptop as backup for some time12:03
alleeTonio_: I, well at least my user, will stay with kde 3 for hardy12:03
Tonio_allee: of course, kde4.0 is just the base, so many things missing to be considered a consistent desktop manager12:04
* Lure is looking forward kdepim-enterprise to get into 3.5.912:04
Tonio_that's why I'd appreciate people here to still help on the kde3 side12:04
Tonio_nobody even noticed ark was broken for month for example...12:04
alleethat would be great Lure ;)12:04
Tonio_also I have to finish that kio-apt thing....12:04
Lureallee: it is planned and I do not see any showstopper12:04
Lureallee: they plan to merge by end of month, afair12:05
Tonio_6 month late compared to ubuntu is enough, I don't want to miss too many functionnalities12:05
Tonio_appart from that, if the meeting is considered over, who will be at fosdem this year ?12:05
Tonio_I got confirmation my company is sending me there ;)12:06
Tonio_Lure, allee ? :)12:06
RiddellI should be12:06
Tonio_Riddell: great !12:06
* Nightrose will be12:07
Nightroseapachelogger as well12:07
Tonio_Riddell: other ubuntu guys like dholbach, siretart or so should to what you know ?12:07
Tonio_Nightrose: great, we should eventually discuss on a plan to all meet there12:07
alleeTonio_: I'll think about it.12:07
Tonio_allee: super12:07
RiddellTonio_: I've no idea, start a wiki page and ask people to add their details12:08
Tonio_Riddell: sure12:08
NightroseTonio_: well Riddell, apachelogger, a few others and I stay in the same hotel so just trop by ;-)12:08
alleegreat idea12:08
Nightrose*drop12:08
alleeNightrose: mention the hotel in the wiki page ;)12:08
Tonio_Riddell: will do, but only tomorrow, I have to go all the day as I'm buying a new car....12:08
Tonio_allee: dunno what my hotel will be atm, my company decides.... as they will pay for everything, that makes sense :)12:09
jpatrickTonio_: no way I'm going :(12:09
Tonio_jpatrick: :'(12:09
jpatrickunless the school colapses12:09
Nightroseoh and pkern (motu) will be around as well12:10
LureTonio_: probably not (no time)12:10
jpatrickso meeting over?12:12
RiddellI think so12:12
Riddellthanks all12:12
Riddellsorry I was late12:12
jpatrick#endmeeting12:13
MootBotMeeting finished at 12:13.12:13
Tonio_Lure: oki :(12:17
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