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=== ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Kubuntu Developers Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 14:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development | 18 Jan 12:00 UTC: MOTU | 23 Jan 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 30 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | ||
jussi01 | thanks jpatrick | 10:54 |
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jpatrick | jussi01: no problem | 10:54 |
jussi01 | good evening Hobbsee | 10:56 |
Hobbsee | heya1 | 10:56 |
jpatrick | right... | 10:56 |
Hobbsee | right. | 10:58 |
jpatrick | here we go | 10:59 |
* Lure just added one topic, so that we have something to discuss ;-) | 11:00 | |
jpatrick | Lure: better be the party food.. | 11:00 |
Lure | jpatrick: not sure if I want virtual party food ;-) | 11:00 |
* Lure eats some baklava instead ;-) | 11:00 | |
* Lure still waits for wiki to accept his change :-( | 11:01 | |
jpatrick | Lure: it's there | 11:01 |
jpatrick | Riddell: ping! | 11:01 |
Hobbsee | pong | 11:01 |
Lure | Riddell has party hangover ;-) | 11:01 |
Hobbsee | oh noes, i'ts Keybuk! | 11:01 |
Lure | or better is taking some sleeping overtime to recover ;-) | 11:02 |
nosrednaekim | hey everyone | 11:03 |
jpatrick | so, we start without our leader? | 11:05 |
fdoving | hi. | 11:05 |
jpatrick | vorian: around? | 11:05 |
* vorian waves | 11:05 | |
vorian | howdy | 11:05 |
Nightrose | morning :) | 11:05 |
Hobbsee | jpatrick: want to chair? | 11:06 |
emonkey | good morning | 11:06 |
nosrednaekim | its like... 6 here... | 11:06 |
nosrednaekim | uhhg | 11:06 |
jpatrick | #startmeeting | 11:06 |
MootBot | Meeting started at 11:06. The chair is jpatrick. | 11:06 |
MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 11:06 |
Hobbsee | where's our agenda? | 11:06 |
jpatrick | should we do members first? | 11:07 |
jpatrick | [LINK] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | 11:07 |
MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | 11:07 |
Hobbsee | do we have quorum? | 11:07 |
Hobbsee | me, lure.... | 11:07 |
jpatrick | Hobbsee: we can mail the log later? | 11:07 |
Lure | nixternal, kwwi, Tonio_, Riddell: ping | 11:07 |
* Hobbsee looks for Riddell's number | 11:08 | |
jpatrick | i think it's on his site | 11:09 |
* Nightrose thinks riddell gets some much needed sleep right now | 11:09 | |
mhb | I'd start with the topic first and do members once jr arrives (he usually does) | 11:09 |
* Hobbsee sends a sms | 11:09 | |
Hobbsee | jpatrick: go for the topic. | 11:10 |
Hobbsee | it'll be cause for more discussion anyway | 11:10 |
Hobbsee | hopefully nixternal will appear, too | 11:10 |
jpatrick | [TOPIC] Kubuntu touch of KDE4 look | 11:10 |
MootBot | New Topic: Kubuntu touch of KDE4 look | 11:10 |
nosrednaekim | its 5 where he is...I doubt it | 11:10 |
jpatrick | Lure: it's your point :) | 11:11 |
Lure | are there any plans to do any changes to kde4 artwork to make it "kubuntu"-like? | 11:11 |
Lure | I would not like to digress from default look, just add some indication that it is kubuntu | 11:11 |
* jpatrick thinks we need Riddell | 11:11 | |
Lure | suse adds logo to kickoff menu | 11:11 |
Lure | jpatrick: we can still discuss and do not make decision ;-) | 11:12 |
smarter | The K logo at the top right of konq4 look really out of place | 11:12 |
Lure | but it would be good to have Riddell and kwwii | 11:12 |
nosrednaekim | Lure: I think that we generally don't have logos on things. | 11:12 |
Lure | nosrednaekim: I think we need to improve that | 11:12 |
jpatrick | Lure: I think the logo on the kickoff would be good | 11:12 |
Hobbsee | up to now, the idea has been that we distribute a usable, but close version of kde3 | 11:13 |
Hobbsee | s/3// | 11:13 |
jpatrick | we had it in KDE3 | 11:13 |
Lure | nosrednaekim: we are more and more differentiated towards ubuntu, so we should have some insignia | 11:13 |
Lure | jpatrick: exactly | 11:13 |
mhb | Lure: we should respect the ubuntu branding policy | 11:13 |
Lure | jpatrick: and that level was about right | 11:13 |
Lure | mhb: sure, but this does not prevent us to use kubuntu logos | 11:13 |
Lure | like we already do for usplash | 11:14 |
* Hobbsee notes that ubuntu already has it's own menu logo | 11:14 | |
Lure | I would keep K logo on panel, but would be good to differentiate article screenshots by distribution somehow | 11:15 |
Lure | anyway, I do not think we can conclude on this today (ENORIDDELL, ENOKWWII) ;-) | 11:15 |
nosrednaekim | speaking of Kmenu, are we going to use Kickoff? the simple menu is packages and its very nice. | 11:16 |
Lure | nosrednaekim: I would personally not change that | 11:17 |
nosrednaekim | :( | 11:17 |
Lure | I had problems at first (getting used to), but now I even use it instead of katapult | 11:17 |
Lure | just search and execute | 11:17 |
mhb | Lure: doesn't it launch google when nothing is found? | 11:18 |
* Nightrose thinks it is horrible to use on a laptop with touchpad | 11:18 | |
Nightrose | but on my desktop it is nice | 11:18 |
Hobbsee | erk, the new kmenu. | 11:18 |
Nightrose | and I had to make it show more items to make it usable for me | 11:19 |
Nightrose | 15 now here | 11:19 |
nosrednaekim | in any case, I think it would be nice to be able to right clickon it like regular kickoff and select the old style menu. | 11:20 |
jpatrick | Lure: how does suse put their logo in? | 11:20 |
Lure | jpatrick: below icons | 11:20 |
jpatrick | i was thinking maybe up the righthand side :) | 11:21 |
fdoving | i like the new kickoff, it's pretty much quicker to find things once you get used to it, and i use a laptop with touchpad/point. | 11:21 |
mikkael | 12 entries is max @ the new menu i think | 11:21 |
Lure | mikkael: no, you can configure it | 11:22 |
* Lure uses 15 | 11:22 | |
Nightrose | Lure: hehe /me too | 11:22 |
Lure | jpatrick: I would preffer that (similar to kde3) | 11:22 |
fdoving | i use 10, but the default should also fit nicely in atleast a 1024x768 resolution. | 11:22 |
Lure | jpatrick: I like that icons are near the K icon | 11:22 |
mikkael | im on 1024*768 and i cant get it bigger than 12.. | 11:23 |
jpatrick | right-hand side after the arrows :) | 11:24 |
fdoving | mikkael: right, so the default 10 is probably sane. | 11:24 |
Lure | mikkael: ups, this is really little - I am probably not representative as I like small (8-9pt) fonts on 1920x1200 screen | 11:25 |
jpatrick | morgen allee | 11:27 |
fdoving | hi allee. | 11:27 |
Hobbsee | guten tag allee! Wie gehts? | 11:27 |
jpatrick | shall we intrograte vorian now? | 11:28 |
allee | hi together | 11:28 |
allee | Hobbsee: hallo dein deutsch wird von meeting to meeting immer besser! | 11:28 |
jpatrick | allee: eben wann es "geht's" ist? :) | 11:29 |
Hobbsee | jpatrick: +1, we'll send the rest by mail | 11:29 |
Hobbsee | allee: haha :) | 11:30 |
jpatrick | ok, should we discuss having a #kubunt-kde4? | 11:30 |
* Tonio_ is sorry for beeing that late.... | 11:30 | |
jussi01 | yes! | 11:30 |
jpatrick | #kubuntu-kde4 channel? | 11:30 |
Lure | jpatrick: why do we need separate channel | 11:30 |
jpatrick | Lure: ton of users asking | 11:31 |
* Lure has problems following too many channels already ;-) | 11:31 | |
nosrednaekim | no, don't do that. However, it is awfully crazy now that there are two versions of kde people can be talking about | 11:31 |
jpatrick | [TOPIC] Possiblity of a #kubuntu-kde4 channel | 11:31 |
MootBot | New Topic: Possiblity of a #kubuntu-kde4 channel | 11:31 |
Lure | I do not hang out much in #kubuntu, but if it would help in support, it may probably work | 11:31 |
jussi01 | I feel #kubuntu is becoming inundated with kde4 questions, shutting out kde3 users | 11:31 |
vorian | i think it's a good idea to have a separate channel. | 11:32 |
Lure | I am fine if kubuntu ops in the #kubuntu channel make that decision | 11:32 |
mikkael | fdoving: i took screenshots of the new k-menu's default size (10 entries) and one with the max entries (i said 30, but its 12) on 1024*768, if you want to have a look..? | 11:32 |
fdoving | i am fine with kde4 questions in #kubuntu. | 11:32 |
Riddell | gah | 11:33 |
Hobbsee | Rif | 11:34 |
fdoving | mikkael: sure. i can have a look. i use 10 myself, on 1440x900. | 11:34 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: finally :) | 11:34 |
Lure | Riddell: welcome recovery ;-) | 11:34 |
mikkael | fdoving: do you know a place where i can post ? | 11:34 |
jussi01 | hi Riddell :) | 11:34 |
jpatrick | wb Riddell | 11:34 |
Riddell | what did I miss? | 11:35 |
allee | fdoving: I'm not in #kubuntu, so I can just if KDE4 question really 'shutting out kde3 users'. If yes, -kde4 may make sense until 4.1 when everything is rock solid in 4 land | 11:35 |
fdoving | mikkael: http://imageshack.us/ | 11:35 |
Nightrose | Riddell: short discussion on kickoff and kubuntu branking in kde4 | 11:35 |
fdoving | allee: its not like we answer kde3 questions only, it's about vsftpd, ssh, apache, mysql. | 11:35 |
jpatrick | Riddell: Kubuntu kde4 artwork on kickoff and now we're on #kubuntu-kde4 | 11:35 |
Nightrose | and now #kubuntu-kde4 or not | 11:35 |
fdoving | among other things. | 11:35 |
allee | fdoving: of course ;) | 11:36 |
jpatrick | ok, should vote on the channel thingy? | 11:37 |
Lure | Riddell, Tonio_: http://pastebin.com/m78ef6fe3 | 11:37 |
* allee +1 only if KDE4 question make > 80 % of traffic in #kubuntu for a longer time | 11:38 | |
jussi01 | +1 on #kubuntu-kde4 from me. | 11:38 |
Tonio_ | Lure: checking | 11:38 |
jpatrick | [VOTE] #kubuntu-kde4 | 11:39 |
MootBot | Please vote on: #kubuntu-kde4. | 11:39 |
MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 11:39 |
MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 11:39 |
fdoving | -1 on another special channel from me. | 11:39 |
MootBot | -1 received from fdoving. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1 | 11:39 |
* allee doubt that's true. So -1 ;) | 11:39 | |
jussi01 | +1 | 11:39 |
MootBot | +1 received from jussi01. 1 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 11:39 |
mikkael | +1 | 11:39 |
MootBot | +1 received from mikkael. 2 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 11:39 |
jpatrick | evil bot | 11:39 |
nosrednaekim | -1 | 11:39 |
MootBot | -1 received from nosrednaekim. 2 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 11:39 |
Lure | +0, as I think it is a decision that irc operators/supporters should made based on experience | 11:39 |
Riddell | -1 too many irc channels already | 11:39 |
MootBot | -1 received from Riddell. 2 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1 | 11:39 |
nosrednaekim | not a member ...but I don't like it. | 11:40 |
Tonio_ | -1 for me too | 11:40 |
MootBot | -1 received from Tonio_. 2 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2 | 11:40 |
Hobbsee | +1 | 11:40 |
MootBot | +1 received from Hobbsee. 3 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1 | 11:40 |
nosrednaekim | And I think I spend enough time in there that I should be able to vote :) | 11:40 |
jpatrick | +1 but I'm on the too many channels | 11:40 |
MootBot | +1 received from jpatrick. 4 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 11:40 |
Lure | good, decided ;-) | 11:40 |
jpatrick | #endvote | 11:40 |
fdoving | allee: the bot didn't register your /me thing. | 11:40 |
mikkael | max size: http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12zi9.png default: http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10dq6.png. but 12 is still not enough for me so im back on the traditional menu | 11:41 |
jpatrick | so... vorian up next? | 11:41 |
Riddell | vorian: here? | 11:42 |
vorian | yep | 11:42 |
fdoving | mikkael: i'm sure you can get more if you put the menu on the panel. | 11:42 |
vorian | hello | 11:42 |
jpatrick | [TOPIC] Steve Stalcup's membership | 11:42 |
MootBot | Vote is in progress. Finishing now. | 11:42 |
MootBot | Final result is 4 for, 4 against. 0 abstained. Total: 0 | 11:42 |
MootBot | New Topic: Steve Stalcup's membership | 11:42 |
vorian | Hello, I am Steve and I am a Kubuntu-a-holic. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StephenStalcup)(https://launchpad.net/~vorian) | 11:42 |
vorian | I stepped down as the TL for my LoCo team so they could start a council. This has allowed me to focus more on helping out with QA etc, and really dig in and learn maintaining. | 11:43 |
vorian | and more specifically helping out Kubuntu | 11:43 |
mikkael | fdoving: nope, maybe my resolution limits it | 11:43 |
Lure | vorian: I see you are ubuntu member already, so what is the reason for applying for kubuntu membership too? just recognition? | 11:43 |
allee | fdoving: that's fine. I've /me +1 and -1 and I'm never in #kubuntu. So 0 from me is fair | 11:43 |
vorian | Lure, just want to be part of the team :) | 11:45 |
Hobbsee | vorian: why, though? | 11:45 |
Lure | vorian: ok, so what were the kubuntu-specific that you were doing in past months? | 11:45 |
jpatrick | vorian has been busy with packages :) | 11:46 |
vorian | packaging, bug triage | 11:47 |
Riddell | you know I don't think I've seen your package of kdetorrent-kde4 | 11:47 |
Riddell | nixternal never did upload it | 11:47 |
vorian | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent-kde4 | 11:47 |
vorian | there it is | 11:48 |
vorian | also kmldonkey | 11:48 |
vorian | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmldonkey-kde4 | 11:48 |
Riddell | ooh, good, my mistake | 11:48 |
vorian | :) | 11:49 |
Lure | since vorian is ubuntu-member already, I am fine giving +1 based on these two contributions already (as he had for sure had others ubuntu contributions before) | 11:50 |
Riddell | vorian: do you plan to go for MOTU at some point? | 11:51 |
vorian | Riddell: that is my hope | 11:51 |
Riddell | vorian: are you a recent convert to kubuntu or have you always used kde? | 11:51 |
Hobbsee | fine by me, seems strange to go for kubuntu after though | 11:51 |
vorian | thanks Lure | 11:51 |
vorian | Riddell: nixternal got me using kde about 4 months ago | 11:52 |
Riddell | he can be a persuasive chap | 11:52 |
vorian | lol | 11:52 |
Tonio_ | hehe | 11:52 |
Riddell | +1 from me for helping with the 4.0 packaging | 11:52 |
Tonio_ | +1 for me too | 11:53 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: was that a +1? | 11:53 |
Riddell | well we're at quorum anyway, welcome to kubuntu membership vorian | 11:54 |
vorian | thanks Lure, Hobbsee, Tonio_, and Riddell :) | 11:54 |
vorian | :) | 11:54 |
jussi01 | congrats vorian | 11:54 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: yes | 11:54 |
jpatrick | vorian: congrats | 11:54 |
Riddell | any other memberships? | 11:54 |
vorian | thanks :) | 11:54 |
Lure | welcome vorian - and hope to see more contributions from you in future | 11:55 |
allee | vorian: congrats from me too! | 11:55 |
Riddell | any other business? | 11:55 |
* nosrednaekim thinks that maybe he'll go for membership next time | 11:55 | |
vorian | thanks allee :) | 11:55 |
allee | and welcome in the wonderful world of KDE4 ;) | 11:55 |
vorian | Lure: you can count on it :) | 11:55 |
Lure | Riddell: what is your opinion about adding kubuntu insignia to kde4? | 11:55 |
Lure | Riddell: we discussed kickoff menu | 11:55 |
Riddell | Lure: I notice opensuse add their logo to the kickoff menu, someone could hunt out that patch | 11:56 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: can do | 11:56 |
Riddell | thanks Tonio_ | 11:56 |
Lure | Riddell: I am only not sure I like suse solution | 11:56 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: no pb | 11:56 |
Lure | I would preffer side logo, like in kde3 | 11:56 |
Tonio_ | Lure: +1, I really hate kickoff | 11:57 |
Lure | Tonio_: I am not suggesting to use simple menu, just side logo in kickoff ;-) | 11:57 |
jpatrick | Riddell: I thought you loved it | 11:57 |
nosrednaekim | Tonio_: yeah, I was happy when I discovered the simple menu :) | 11:57 |
jpatrick | Tonio_: * | 11:57 |
* Lure got used to kickoff (much faster than kde3 version) | 11:57 | |
Tonio_ | Riddell: patch will be done tomorow probably | 11:57 |
Tonio_ | Lure: I understood tat, I just wanted to troll a bit about the long debated kickoff menu hehe :) | 11:58 |
Lure | Tonio_: ;-) | 11:58 |
nosrednaekim | another thing I wanted to mention was hte whole kdesu problem in kde4 | 11:58 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: what's the cycle for importing .pot files in rosetta ? | 11:59 |
Riddell | there should be sudo support in kdesu so I think that's just a case of finding the argument for cmake in kdebase | 11:59 |
nosrednaekim | will symbolic linking the kde4 kdesu to kdesudo work? | 11:59 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: we need to blog a bit for translators to spend some time on guidance, now all strings are in the pot | 11:59 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: woot ! real sudo support ? that's nice :) | 11:59 |
Riddell | Tonio_: ask carlos, but message freeze isn't for a while | 11:59 |
Riddell | Tonio_: no, just same as in kde 3. a kde 4 port of kdesudo would be best | 12:00 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: okay, I currently try to improve my c++ knownledge to clean up the code, but yeah, porting kdesudo to kde4 shouldn't be that hard, the code is very simple... | 12:00 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: would be nice to have for hardy or can that wait for hardy +1 ? | 12:01 |
nosrednaekim | Riddell: ah ok, because that is the major complaint right now. but i'm glad it can be easily fixed. | 12:01 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I have other priorities and as you know I prefer to spend my time on kde3 atm, that's why I didn't do much on the kde4 side... everybody seems to forget about kde3 ;) | 12:02 |
Tonio_ | kde3 dialog boxes have to be fixed or example... lots of things like that | 12:02 |
Lure | Tonio_: kde3 is so '90s since yesterday ;-) | 12:02 |
nosrednaekim | :) | 12:03 |
Tonio_ | Lure: but still our default DM, and for a while | 12:03 |
Tonio_ | I don't consider kde4 a desktop manager atm, more like a framework | 12:03 |
Lure | Tonio_: sure, I plan to have it on my work laptop as backup for some time | 12:03 |
allee | Tonio_: I, well at least my user, will stay with kde 3 for hardy | 12:03 |
Tonio_ | allee: of course, kde4.0 is just the base, so many things missing to be considered a consistent desktop manager | 12:04 |
* Lure is looking forward kdepim-enterprise to get into 3.5.9 | 12:04 | |
Tonio_ | that's why I'd appreciate people here to still help on the kde3 side | 12:04 |
Tonio_ | nobody even noticed ark was broken for month for example... | 12:04 |
allee | that would be great Lure ;) | 12:04 |
Tonio_ | also I have to finish that kio-apt thing.... | 12:04 |
Lure | allee: it is planned and I do not see any showstopper | 12:04 |
Lure | allee: they plan to merge by end of month, afair | 12:05 |
Tonio_ | 6 month late compared to ubuntu is enough, I don't want to miss too many functionnalities | 12:05 |
Tonio_ | appart from that, if the meeting is considered over, who will be at fosdem this year ? | 12:05 |
Tonio_ | I got confirmation my company is sending me there ;) | 12:06 |
Tonio_ | Lure, allee ? :) | 12:06 |
Riddell | I should be | 12:06 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: great ! | 12:06 |
* Nightrose will be | 12:07 | |
Nightrose | apachelogger as well | 12:07 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: other ubuntu guys like dholbach, siretart or so should to what you know ? | 12:07 |
Tonio_ | Nightrose: great, we should eventually discuss on a plan to all meet there | 12:07 |
allee | Tonio_: I'll think about it. | 12:07 |
Tonio_ | allee: super | 12:07 |
Riddell | Tonio_: I've no idea, start a wiki page and ask people to add their details | 12:08 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: sure | 12:08 |
Nightrose | Tonio_: well Riddell, apachelogger, a few others and I stay in the same hotel so just trop by ;-) | 12:08 |
allee | great idea | 12:08 |
Nightrose | *drop | 12:08 |
allee | Nightrose: mention the hotel in the wiki page ;) | 12:08 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: will do, but only tomorrow, I have to go all the day as I'm buying a new car.... | 12:08 |
Tonio_ | allee: dunno what my hotel will be atm, my company decides.... as they will pay for everything, that makes sense :) | 12:09 |
jpatrick | Tonio_: no way I'm going :( | 12:09 |
Tonio_ | jpatrick: :'( | 12:09 |
jpatrick | unless the school colapses | 12:09 |
Nightrose | oh and pkern (motu) will be around as well | 12:10 |
Lure | Tonio_: probably not (no time) | 12:10 |
jpatrick | so meeting over? | 12:12 |
Riddell | I think so | 12:12 |
Riddell | thanks all | 12:12 |
Riddell | sorry I was late | 12:12 |
jpatrick | #endmeeting | 12:13 |
MootBot | Meeting finished at 12:13. | 12:13 |
Tonio_ | Lure: oki :( | 12:17 |
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