=== Varka_ is now known as Varka === bigon is now known as bigon` === johnc4511-laptop is now known as johnc4510-laptto === suehtnilaP is now known as Palintheus === johnc4511-laptop is now known as johnc4510-laptop === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Kubuntu Developers Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 14:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development | 18 Jan 12:00 UTC: MOTU | 23 Jan 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 30 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting [10:54] thanks jpatrick [10:54] jussi01: no problem [10:56] good evening Hobbsee [10:56] heya1 [10:56] right... [10:58] right. [10:59] here we go [11:00] * Lure just added one topic, so that we have something to discuss ;-) [11:00] Lure: better be the party food.. [11:00] jpatrick: not sure if I want virtual party food ;-) [11:00] * Lure eats some baklava instead ;-) [11:01] * Lure still waits for wiki to accept his change :-( [11:01] Lure: it's there [11:01] Riddell: ping! [11:01] pong [11:01] Riddell has party hangover ;-) [11:01] oh noes, i'ts Keybuk! [11:02] or better is taking some sleeping overtime to recover ;-) [11:03] hey everyone [11:05] so, we start without our leader? [11:05] hi. [11:05] vorian: around? [11:05] * vorian waves [11:05] howdy [11:05] morning :) [11:06] jpatrick: want to chair? [11:06] good morning [11:06] its like... 6 here... [11:06] uhhg [11:06] #startmeeting [11:06] Meeting started at 11:06. The chair is jpatrick. [11:06] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [11:06] where's our agenda? [11:07] should we do members first? [11:07] [LINK] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [11:07] LINK received: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [11:07] do we have quorum? [11:07] me, lure.... [11:07] Hobbsee: we can mail the log later? [11:07] nixternal, kwwi, Tonio_, Riddell: ping [11:08] * Hobbsee looks for Riddell's number [11:09] i think it's on his site [11:09] * Nightrose thinks riddell gets some much needed sleep right now [11:09] I'd start with the topic first and do members once jr arrives (he usually does) [11:09] * Hobbsee sends a sms [11:10] jpatrick: go for the topic. [11:10] it'll be cause for more discussion anyway [11:10] hopefully nixternal will appear, too [11:10] [TOPIC] Kubuntu touch of KDE4 look [11:10] New Topic: Kubuntu touch of KDE4 look [11:10] its 5 where he is...I doubt it [11:11] Lure: it's your point :) [11:11] are there any plans to do any changes to kde4 artwork to make it "kubuntu"-like? [11:11] I would not like to digress from default look, just add some indication that it is kubuntu [11:11] * jpatrick thinks we need Riddell [11:11] suse adds logo to kickoff menu [11:12] jpatrick: we can still discuss and do not make decision ;-) [11:12] The K logo at the top right of konq4 look really out of place [11:12] but it would be good to have Riddell and kwwii [11:12] Lure: I think that we generally don't have logos on things. [11:12] nosrednaekim: I think we need to improve that [11:12] Lure: I think the logo on the kickoff would be good [11:13] up to now, the idea has been that we distribute a usable, but close version of kde3 [11:13] s/3// [11:13] we had it in KDE3 [11:13] nosrednaekim: we are more and more differentiated towards ubuntu, so we should have some insignia [11:13] jpatrick: exactly [11:13] Lure: we should respect the ubuntu branding policy [11:13] jpatrick: and that level was about right [11:13] mhb: sure, but this does not prevent us to use kubuntu logos [11:14] like we already do for usplash [11:14] * Hobbsee notes that ubuntu already has it's own menu logo [11:15] I would keep K logo on panel, but would be good to differentiate article screenshots by distribution somehow [11:15] anyway, I do not think we can conclude on this today (ENORIDDELL, ENOKWWII) ;-) [11:16] speaking of Kmenu, are we going to use Kickoff? the simple menu is packages and its very nice. [11:17] nosrednaekim: I would personally not change that [11:17] :( [11:17] I had problems at first (getting used to), but now I even use it instead of katapult [11:17] just search and execute [11:18] Lure: doesn't it launch google when nothing is found? [11:18] * Nightrose thinks it is horrible to use on a laptop with touchpad [11:18] but on my desktop it is nice [11:18] erk, the new kmenu. [11:19] and I had to make it show more items to make it usable for me [11:19] 15 now here [11:20] in any case, I think it would be nice to be able to right clickon it like regular kickoff and select the old style menu. [11:20] Lure: how does suse put their logo in? [11:20] jpatrick: below icons [11:21] i was thinking maybe up the righthand side :) [11:21] i like the new kickoff, it's pretty much quicker to find things once you get used to it, and i use a laptop with touchpad/point. [11:21] 12 entries is max @ the new menu i think [11:22] mikkael: no, you can configure it [11:22] * Lure uses 15 [11:22] Lure: hehe /me too [11:22] jpatrick: I would preffer that (similar to kde3) [11:22] i use 10, but the default should also fit nicely in atleast a 1024x768 resolution. [11:22] jpatrick: I like that icons are near the K icon [11:23] im on 1024*768 and i cant get it bigger than 12.. [11:24] right-hand side after the arrows :) [11:24] mikkael: right, so the default 10 is probably sane. [11:25] mikkael: ups, this is really little - I am probably not representative as I like small (8-9pt) fonts on 1920x1200 screen [11:27] morgen allee [11:27] hi allee. [11:27] guten tag allee! Wie gehts? [11:28] shall we intrograte vorian now? [11:28] hi together [11:28] Hobbsee: hallo dein deutsch wird von meeting to meeting immer besser! [11:29] allee: eben wann es "geht's" ist? :) [11:29] jpatrick: +1, we'll send the rest by mail [11:30] allee: haha :) [11:30] ok, should we discuss having a #kubunt-kde4? [11:30] * Tonio_ is sorry for beeing that late.... [11:30] yes! [11:30] #kubuntu-kde4 channel? [11:30] jpatrick: why do we need separate channel [11:31] Lure: ton of users asking [11:31] * Lure has problems following too many channels already ;-) [11:31] no, don't do that. However, it is awfully crazy now that there are two versions of kde people can be talking about [11:31] [TOPIC] Possiblity of a #kubuntu-kde4 channel [11:31] New Topic: Possiblity of a #kubuntu-kde4 channel [11:31] I do not hang out much in #kubuntu, but if it would help in support, it may probably work [11:31] I feel #kubuntu is becoming inundated with kde4 questions, shutting out kde3 users [11:32] i think it's a good idea to have a separate channel. [11:32] I am fine if kubuntu ops in the #kubuntu channel make that decision [11:32] fdoving: i took screenshots of the new k-menu's default size (10 entries) and one with the max entries (i said 30, but its 12) on 1024*768, if you want to have a look..? [11:32] i am fine with kde4 questions in #kubuntu. [11:33] gah [11:34] Rif [11:34] mikkael: sure. i can have a look. i use 10 myself, on 1440x900. [11:34] Riddell: finally :) [11:34] Riddell: welcome recovery ;-) [11:34] fdoving: do you know a place where i can post ? [11:34] hi Riddell :) [11:34] wb Riddell [11:35] what did I miss? [11:35] fdoving: I'm not in #kubuntu, so I can just if KDE4 question really 'shutting out kde3 users'. If yes, -kde4 may make sense until 4.1 when everything is rock solid in 4 land [11:35] mikkael: http://imageshack.us/ [11:35] Riddell: short discussion on kickoff and kubuntu branking in kde4 [11:35] allee: its not like we answer kde3 questions only, it's about vsftpd, ssh, apache, mysql. [11:35] Riddell: Kubuntu kde4 artwork on kickoff and now we're on #kubuntu-kde4 [11:35] and now #kubuntu-kde4 or not [11:35] among other things. [11:36] fdoving: of course ;) [11:37] ok, should vote on the channel thingy? [11:37] Riddell, Tonio_: http://pastebin.com/m78ef6fe3 [11:38] * allee +1 only if KDE4 question make > 80 % of traffic in #kubuntu for a longer time [11:38] +1 on #kubuntu-kde4 from me. [11:38] Lure: checking [11:39] [VOTE] #kubuntu-kde4 [11:39] Please vote on: #kubuntu-kde4. [11:39] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [11:39] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [11:39] -1 on another special channel from me. [11:39] -1 received from fdoving. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1 [11:39] * allee doubt that's true. So -1 ;) [11:39] +1 [11:39] +1 received from jussi01. 1 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0 [11:39] +1 [11:39] +1 received from mikkael. 2 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [11:39] evil bot [11:39] -1 [11:39] -1 received from nosrednaekim. 2 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0 [11:39] +0, as I think it is a decision that irc operators/supporters should made based on experience [11:39] -1 too many irc channels already [11:39] -1 received from Riddell. 2 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1 [11:40] not a member ...but I don't like it. [11:40] -1 for me too [11:40] -1 received from Tonio_. 2 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2 [11:40] +1 [11:40] +1 received from Hobbsee. 3 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1 [11:40] And I think I spend enough time in there that I should be able to vote :) [11:40] +1 but I'm on the too many channels [11:40] +1 received from jpatrick. 4 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0 [11:40] good, decided ;-) [11:40] #endvote [11:40] allee: the bot didn't register your /me thing. [11:41] max size: http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12zi9.png default: http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10dq6.png. but 12 is still not enough for me so im back on the traditional menu [11:41] so... vorian up next? [11:42] vorian: here? [11:42] yep [11:42] mikkael: i'm sure you can get more if you put the menu on the panel. [11:42] hello [11:42] [TOPIC] Steve Stalcup's membership [11:42] Vote is in progress. Finishing now. [11:42] Final result is 4 for, 4 against. 0 abstained. Total: 0 [11:42] New Topic: Steve Stalcup's membership [11:42] Hello, I am Steve and I am a Kubuntu-a-holic. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StephenStalcup)(https://launchpad.net/~vorian) [11:43] I stepped down as the TL for my LoCo team so they could start a council. This has allowed me to focus more on helping out with QA etc, and really dig in and learn maintaining. [11:43] and more specifically helping out Kubuntu [11:43] fdoving: nope, maybe my resolution limits it [11:43] vorian: I see you are ubuntu member already, so what is the reason for applying for kubuntu membership too? just recognition? [11:43] fdoving: that's fine. I've /me +1 and -1 and I'm never in #kubuntu. So 0 from me is fair [11:45] Lure, just want to be part of the team :) [11:45] vorian: why, though? [11:45] vorian: ok, so what were the kubuntu-specific that you were doing in past months? [11:46] vorian has been busy with packages :) [11:47] packaging, bug triage [11:47] you know I don't think I've seen your package of kdetorrent-kde4 [11:47] nixternal never did upload it [11:47] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent-kde4 [11:48] there it is [11:48] also kmldonkey [11:48] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmldonkey-kde4 [11:48] ooh, good, my mistake [11:49] :) [11:50] since vorian is ubuntu-member already, I am fine giving +1 based on these two contributions already (as he had for sure had others ubuntu contributions before) [11:51] vorian: do you plan to go for MOTU at some point? [11:51] Riddell: that is my hope [11:51] vorian: are you a recent convert to kubuntu or have you always used kde? [11:51] fine by me, seems strange to go for kubuntu after though [11:51] thanks Lure [11:52] Riddell: nixternal got me using kde about 4 months ago [11:52] he can be a persuasive chap [11:52] lol [11:52] hehe [11:52] +1 from me for helping with the 4.0 packaging [11:53] +1 for me too [11:53] Hobbsee: was that a +1? [11:54] well we're at quorum anyway, welcome to kubuntu membership vorian [11:54] thanks Lure, Hobbsee, Tonio_, and Riddell :) [11:54] :) [11:54] congrats vorian [11:54] Riddell: yes [11:54] vorian: congrats [11:54] any other memberships? [11:54] thanks :) [11:55] welcome vorian - and hope to see more contributions from you in future [11:55] vorian: congrats from me too! [11:55] any other business? [11:55] * nosrednaekim thinks that maybe he'll go for membership next time [11:55] thanks allee :) [11:55] and welcome in the wonderful world of KDE4 ;) [11:55] Lure: you can count on it :) [11:55] Riddell: what is your opinion about adding kubuntu insignia to kde4? [11:55] Riddell: we discussed kickoff menu [11:56] Lure: I notice opensuse add their logo to the kickoff menu, someone could hunt out that patch [11:56] Riddell: can do [11:56] thanks Tonio_ [11:56] Riddell: I am only not sure I like suse solution [11:56] Riddell: no pb [11:56] I would preffer side logo, like in kde3 [11:57] Lure: +1, I really hate kickoff [11:57] Tonio_: I am not suggesting to use simple menu, just side logo in kickoff ;-) [11:57] Riddell: I thought you loved it [11:57] Tonio_: yeah, I was happy when I discovered the simple menu :) [11:57] Tonio_: * [11:57] * Lure got used to kickoff (much faster than kde3 version) [11:57] Riddell: patch will be done tomorow probably [11:58] Lure: I understood tat, I just wanted to troll a bit about the long debated kickoff menu hehe :) [11:58] Tonio_: ;-) [11:58] another thing I wanted to mention was hte whole kdesu problem in kde4 [11:59] Riddell: what's the cycle for importing .pot files in rosetta ? [11:59] there should be sudo support in kdesu so I think that's just a case of finding the argument for cmake in kdebase [11:59] will symbolic linking the kde4 kdesu to kdesudo work? [11:59] Riddell: we need to blog a bit for translators to spend some time on guidance, now all strings are in the pot [11:59] Riddell: woot ! real sudo support ? that's nice :) [11:59] Tonio_: ask carlos, but message freeze isn't for a while [12:00] Tonio_: no, just same as in kde 3. a kde 4 port of kdesudo would be best [12:00] Riddell: okay, I currently try to improve my c++ knownledge to clean up the code, but yeah, porting kdesudo to kde4 shouldn't be that hard, the code is very simple... [12:01] Riddell: would be nice to have for hardy or can that wait for hardy +1 ? [12:01] Riddell: ah ok, because that is the major complaint right now. but i'm glad it can be easily fixed. [12:02] Riddell: I have other priorities and as you know I prefer to spend my time on kde3 atm, that's why I didn't do much on the kde4 side... everybody seems to forget about kde3 ;) [12:02] kde3 dialog boxes have to be fixed or example... lots of things like that [12:02] Tonio_: kde3 is so '90s since yesterday ;-) [12:03] :) [12:03] Lure: but still our default DM, and for a while [12:03] I don't consider kde4 a desktop manager atm, more like a framework [12:03] Tonio_: sure, I plan to have it on my work laptop as backup for some time [12:03] Tonio_: I, well at least my user, will stay with kde 3 for hardy [12:04] allee: of course, kde4.0 is just the base, so many things missing to be considered a consistent desktop manager [12:04] * Lure is looking forward kdepim-enterprise to get into 3.5.9 [12:04] that's why I'd appreciate people here to still help on the kde3 side [12:04] nobody even noticed ark was broken for month for example... [12:04] that would be great Lure ;) [12:04] also I have to finish that kio-apt thing.... [12:04] allee: it is planned and I do not see any showstopper [12:05] allee: they plan to merge by end of month, afair [12:05] 6 month late compared to ubuntu is enough, I don't want to miss too many functionnalities [12:05] appart from that, if the meeting is considered over, who will be at fosdem this year ? [12:06] I got confirmation my company is sending me there ;) [12:06] Lure, allee ? :) [12:06] I should be [12:06] Riddell: great ! [12:07] * Nightrose will be [12:07] apachelogger as well [12:07] Riddell: other ubuntu guys like dholbach, siretart or so should to what you know ? [12:07] Nightrose: great, we should eventually discuss on a plan to all meet there [12:07] Tonio_: I'll think about it. [12:07] allee: super [12:08] Tonio_: I've no idea, start a wiki page and ask people to add their details [12:08] Riddell: sure [12:08] Tonio_: well Riddell, apachelogger, a few others and I stay in the same hotel so just trop by ;-) [12:08] great idea [12:08] *drop [12:08] Nightrose: mention the hotel in the wiki page ;) [12:08] Riddell: will do, but only tomorrow, I have to go all the day as I'm buying a new car.... [12:09] allee: dunno what my hotel will be atm, my company decides.... as they will pay for everything, that makes sense :) [12:09] Tonio_: no way I'm going :( [12:09] jpatrick: :'( [12:09] unless the school colapses [12:10] oh and pkern (motu) will be around as well [12:10] Tonio_: probably not (no time) [12:12] so meeting over? [12:12] I think so [12:12] thanks all [12:12] sorry I was late [12:13] #endmeeting [12:13] Meeting finished at 12:13. 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