[02:26] <PriceChild> FauxFaux is in pm now, apologising
[02:26] <PriceChild> claiming he was drunk, and has gotten all his friends banned
[02:26] <PriceChild> they all used screen
[02:27] <LjL> yessss.
[02:27] <LjL> and the gnaa was mentioned randomly.
[02:28] <LjL> unban them
[02:29] <PriceChild> really?
[02:30] <LjL> yup. can ban them again easily if they troll - and on the other hand, if they can do much worse than just trolling, then they can even if we don't unban them.
[02:30] <LjL> no need to tell them, though
[02:32] <mneptok> AMIRITE?
[02:32] <LjL> mneptok: didn't bother to look up
[02:32] <mneptok> am i right?
[02:32] <mneptok> (i know. stupid.)
[02:32] <LjL> neway
[02:33] <LjL> i'm not entirely sure whether the trolls was fauxfaux, or the other guy, really, or both
[02:34] <LjL> if they're not a legitimate school institution or something, they'll end up banned again... otherwise it's all for the best
[02:34] <PriceChild> LjL, warwick is a top 20 uni in the uk
[02:34] <PriceChild> they were my second choice
[02:34] <LjL> ah, that explains a lot
[02:34] <LjL> *snigger*
[02:34] <PriceChild> :P
[02:36] <mneptok> LOL WARWICK FTW SWEETNESS AMIRITE?
[02:39] <LjL> i'll add a "best university" category to bestbot... :>
[02:55] <ardchoille> Ok, wrt "merde" in kubuntu. Should I ask him to change nicks?
[02:56] <ardchoille> or maybe send him the !language factoid?
[02:57] <LjL> always a fine line.
[02:57] <ardchoille> Whomever was responsible for that change, thank you :)
[02:57] <ardchoille> LjL: Yeah, that's why I thought so seem advice here first :)
[02:57] <ardchoille> *seek
[02:58] <LjL> my advice would be, PM and ask nicely if he knows that his nickname is offensive in some language.
[02:59] <ardchoille> Will do that in the future, thank you
[03:02] <nalioth> ardchoille: is he acting like a cabeza de merde ?
[03:03] <ardchoille> nalioth: hehe, no.. but I speak several languages and the nick threw a flag
[03:03] <nalioth> ardchoille: "assume good faith"
[03:03] <nalioth> we suffer with the world here
[03:04] <ardchoille> nalioth: Aye, and I'm grateful for the folks in this channel to whom I can turn for advice :)
[03:05] <nalioth> ardchoille: one mans poison is another mans fish
[03:05]  * nalioth trots out the reliable old saw . . . . "actions speak louder than words"
[03:06] <ardchoille> :)
[03:06] <ardchoille> nalioth: I prefer "anythin' nay Scottish is crrrrrap"
[03:06] <ardchoille> j/k
[03:49] <ubotu> nickrud called the ops in #ubuntu (Krodolfo (just a pain in the firmament))
[03:50] <elkbuntu> oh no, not them again
[03:50] <Pici> sigh
[03:50] <Pici> Again?
[03:54] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, haisam said: ubotu: when is the official fix expected?
[03:54] <nalioth> ubotu: tell haisam about bot
[06:50] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, what did you post?
[06:50] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: just a compiz thing
[06:50] <Amaranth> but users aren't going to like the first part of it
[06:51] <Amaranth> i want to at least have an hour before getting attacked :P
[06:51] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, link?
[06:51] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/2008/01/12/compiz-updates/
[06:52] <elkbuntu> oi. yeah, start running
[06:52]  * Amaranth hides in a corner and curls up in a ball
[06:54] <Madpilot> Amaranth, you're on planet.u.c, right?
[06:54] <Amaranth> yeah
[06:54]  * Madpilot makes popcorn, awaits fireworks
[06:54] <Amaranth> I'm probably also going to get attacked by intel and ttm developers :P
[06:55] <Madpilot> I've been tempted to blog testing alpha 3, but haven't anything to add - unless I wanted to test (and savage) KDE4
[06:56] <Amaranth> you mean like christer did?
[06:56] <Madpilot> but that'd just get me Kflamed
[06:56] <Amaranth> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/01/11/initial-impressions-of-kde-40/
[06:57] <Madpilot> ya, just read that.
[06:58] <Madpilot> Amaranth, Christer's "Oh Dog it looks like... Vista..." comment is going to get the best reactoin
[06:58] <Madpilot> reaction, even
[06:58] <Amaranth> yeah
[06:59] <Amaranth> gotta say i'm sick of seeing that damn KDE 4.0 logo already though
[06:59] <Amaranth> seen like 30 blogs posts with it
[06:59] <Madpilot> for 'city-destroying firestorm-level flamewar' versions of "best"
[07:11] <Amaranth> eep it just hit the planet
[07:12] <Madpilot> duck & cover! red alert! sound the alarm! etc...
[07:12] <Madpilot>  <evil grin>
[07:21] <Madpilot> Amaranth, flamewar started in your comments yet?
[07:23] <Amaranth> nah, it'll be a few minues
[07:23] <Amaranth> minutes*
[07:23] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: Speaking of compositing, what would be the best resource to watch to see if my card ever gets drivers that will support it?  It's an ATI Radeon Mobility X300.
[07:24] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: the blacklist has been removed for that card in hardy (read the blog, dangit :P)
[07:24] <Amaranth> we need testing
[07:24] <Amaranth> ok,  fail at Gimp, how do you move a text layer
[07:25] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: Oh?  (In Gutsy my particular card actually wasn't blacklisted, but should have been, heh)  How'd I miss that post on PUC?
[07:25] <Madpilot> Amaranth, same move tool you use for everything else
[07:25] <Amaranth> which is?
[07:25] <tonyyarusso> I'll probably boot back into the Hardy partition sometime next week, so I'll be sure to check that out, along with my outstanding kernel bug.
[07:25] <Amaranth> i always use the selection tool to grab the region i want to move
[07:26] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: got a kernel update today too
[07:26] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: Good, good.  It's been broken since Dapper or so, so there have been a few that haven't fixed it so far, but still hopeful.
[07:35] <Amaranth> I must have hit a bad time of day
[07:35] <Amaranth> europeans just getting up, americans mostly all in bed
[07:35] <Amaranth> last time i posted about something like this i got a bunch of comments :P
[07:36] <Amaranth> oh well, give it a couple hours and i'll have plenty to read :P
[09:50] <ardchoille> I wonder if Cow_cr_fS was ban forwarded to this channel and doesn't realise how he/she is getting here.
[09:51] <jussi01> ardchoille: issnt that the spambot?
[09:51] <ardchoille> Well, he/she replied to something a couple days agi, irrc
[09:51] <ardchoille> *ago
[09:52] <ardchoille> jussi01: But, you could be right. I was just trying to figure out the joins/parts
[09:52] <elkbuntu> ardchoille, she actually responded?
[09:53] <ardchoille> Well, I mentioned i the chan that there were three clones of it and all three nicks parted  seconds later
[11:39] <ubotu> Moduliz0r called the ops in #ubuntu (ccfggh)
[11:53] <jussi01> someone may want to watch this one in #u [13:51] < kirk> i ripped all of craigslist and im parsing it fro email addresses and deconding its hexidecimal code
[12:45] <ompaul> @now syndey
[12:46] <ompaul> @now nsw
[12:49] <elkbuntu> 23:49
[12:49] <elkbuntu> says the elky bot
[12:49] <Seveas> !ping
[12:49] <ubotu> pong
[12:50] <ompaul> it pmed me the time
[12:50] <ompaul> the first one was wrong
[12:50] <ompaul> the second right
[12:50] <ompaul> !enter | someone-called-ompaul
[12:50] <ubotu> someone-called-ompaul: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[13:00] <ompaul> jussi01, you were right
[13:04] <uno> hi to everyone
[13:05] <elkbuntu> it PM's time now?
[13:05] <elkbuntu> @now sydney
[13:05] <ubotu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: January 13 2008, 00:05:35 - Current meeting: Kubuntu Developers
[13:05] <elkbuntu> o.O
[13:06] <ompaul> spelling on my part :-(
[13:06] <ompaul> @now sydney
[13:06] <ubotu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: January 13 2008, 00:06:33 - Current meeting: Kubuntu Developers
[13:11] <elkbuntu> Seveas, did something mess with your server's system clock?
[13:11] <elkbuntu> oh, nevermind, im reading it wrong
[13:12]  * elkbuntu should really go to bed
[13:14] <mneptok> munh. what danced on my head as i slept?
[13:15] <Gary> me :-)
[13:15] <mneptok> ya bastard. :)
[13:15] <ompaul> Seveas, can you look at that dutch guy in #ubunut
[13:16] <ompaul> #ubuntu even
[13:16] <ompaul> mneptok, you in work?
[13:16] <mneptok> ompaul: on Saturday? no, not in the office.
[13:17] <ompaul> mneptok, ack
[13:17] <mneptok> ompaul: but i'm always on the clock to some degree. need my help with anything?
[13:17] <elkbuntu> ompaul, ban forward him there
[13:17] <ompaul> elkbuntu, who
[13:17] <elkbuntu> the dutch whoever
[13:17] <ompaul> that dutch guy?
[13:18] <ompaul> elkbuntu, he seems to be okay now - if he comments again in dutch he will be here
[13:18] <elkbuntu> which is so much use since we cant speak dutch :-/
[13:18] <ompaul> elkbuntu, actually -irc is where I should send him
[13:22] <jussi01> ompaul: about kirk?
[13:22] <ompaul> jussi01, ya
[13:22] <jussi01> :)
[13:29] <Daviey> @btlogin
[13:29] <jpatrick> Daviey: I believe it's %
[13:29] <Hobbsee> no, he's right
[13:29] <Hobbsee> it's @btlogin
[13:31] <jpatrick>  %btlogin works for me
[13:31] <Daviey> jpatrick: !wfm
[13:32] <jpatrick> heh ;)
[13:33] <jussi01> is there a way to see all the alias's of a factoid?
[13:33] <jussi01> apart from the bot website...
[13:34] <Daviey> ompaul:
[13:34] <Daviey> whoops
[13:35] <Hobbsee> !-foo
[13:36] <ubotu> foo has no aliases - added by LjL on 2007-09-22 14:37:00
[13:36] <Hobbsee> jussi01: ^
[13:36] <jussi01> Hobbsee: thanks :)
[13:36] <jussi01> !-wfm
[13:36] <ubotu> wfm is <alias> worksforme - added by Seveas on 2007-09-11 20:44:22
[13:36] <jussi01> Hobbsee: ok, thats cool. but is there a way to list all of the alias's ?
[13:39] <Daviey> !-all
[13:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about all - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:39] <Daviey> all has no aliases :(
[13:46] <crdlb> !-worksforme
[13:46] <ubotu> worksforme aliases: wfm - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 21:54:02
[13:46] <stdin> jussi01: all of the aliases of a factoid or all aliases in the database?
[13:47] <jussi01> stdin: all of them for that particular factoid
[13:48] <stdin> you have to put - in front of the master factoid
[13:48] <stdin> !-worksforme
[13:48] <ubotu> worksforme aliases: wfm - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 21:54:02
[13:48] <jussi01> !-pastebin
[13:48] <ubotu> pastebin aliases: paste, flood, flooding, pb, pasting - added by LjL on 2006-06-24 18:47:46
[13:48] <jussi01> ahhh
[13:48] <jussi01> thanks
[13:50] <stdin> oh, btw, can we do something about !hardy? It should reflect that only Ubuntu 8.04 will be LTS and not Kubuntu 8.04
[13:50] <Daviey> !hardy
[13:50] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[14:41] <popey> i thought kubuntu would be lts, but not kubuntu 4?
[14:44] <stdin> popey: kubuntu will be kde4 by default though
[14:44] <PriceChild> Hobbsee got a pony :O
[14:44] <stdin> cd's from shipit will be kde4
[14:44] <popey> ahh
[14:44] <PriceChild> popey, gutsy upgrades stay kde 3.5 (they can then upgrade to kde4 if wanted)
[14:44] <PriceChild> fresh installs are kde4
[14:45] <PriceChild> (i think)
[14:45] <stdin> yeah
[14:45] <Hobbsee> yay, pony!
[14:45] <Hobbsee> oh noes, it's popey!
[14:45] <popey> MUHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAA
[14:45] <stdin> also, canonical can't guarantee kde 3.5.x will be supported by upstream for 3 years
[14:47] <popey> they cant _guarantee_ that for any package can they?
[14:47]  * jussi01 sighs at lp...
[14:48] <stdin> popey: well, then can't be sure enough to slap an "yes, we'll support this for 3 years" sticker on it ;)
[14:50]  * Daviey is baffled why anyone wants to use KDE anyway :)
[14:50] <jussi01> Daviey: !!!
[14:53] <jussi01> so does anyone actually know how to get @ubuntu.com emails working??
[14:56] <Hobbsee> jussi01: they automatically work
[14:56] <Hobbsee> jussi01: how did you test it?
[14:57] <jussi01> Hobbsee: with a command Sev.eas gave me
[14:57] <Hobbsee> which was?
[14:57] <jussi01> swaks -f jussi01@gmail.com -t jussi01@ubuntu.com
[14:57] <jussi01> and other peole sending emails to the address
[14:58] <stdin> what happens if you try to send a email to it?
[14:59] <Seveas> <** 550 <jussi01@ubuntu.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table
[14:59] <Hobbsee> jussi01: FYI, testing with gmail doesn't work
[14:59]  * popey agrees wit Daviey 
[14:59] <Daviey> shock! \o/
[14:59] <Seveas> KDE 4.0!!!!!111one
[14:59] <LjL> PriceChild: 8.04 will has kde4 by default?
[14:59]  * Seveas runs 
[15:00] <stdin> jussi01: it's up to the LP people to activate it, poke em in #launchpad
[15:00]  * Hobbsee suggests LjL  reads the meeting minutes, or those who blogged about it
[15:00] <Hobbsee> stdin: it isn't, acutlaly
[15:00] <Seveas> stdin, actually #canonical-sysadmin :)
[15:00] <LjL> meeting what meeting?
[15:00] <stdin> well there you go then :
[15:00] <stdin> :p
[15:01] <stdin> Hobbsee: I sometimes mix Canonical and Launchapd in my mind, even though I *know* they are not the same thing at all
[15:01] <Hobbsee> heh
[15:01] <Hobbsee> they usually are on a cron, anyway
[15:03] <Seveas> Hobbsee, elmo once told me they are not
[15:03] <Seveas> and since he's the one responsible for this, I'm inclined to beleive him
[15:04] <jussi01> so is it "ok" to poke in #canonical-sysadmin ?
[15:04] <Seveas> 'once' is over a year ago though ;)
[15:04] <Hobbsee> Seveas: oh, okay.  i thought they certainly were recently - at least, the changing LP ID's are.
[15:04] <Seveas> jussi01, depends on when you were approved
[15:04] <jussi01> Seveas: not long, couple of days ;)
[15:04] <Seveas> jussi01, I'd wait at least a week then
[15:05] <jpatrick> jussi01: I'd wait a week or two
[15:05] <Seveas> patience is a virtue
[15:05] <jussi01> ok
[15:07] <jpatrick> LjL: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/
[15:07] <jpatrick> LjL: first one on the list
[15:10] <jpatrick> jussi01: did you make #kubuntu-kde4 in the end?
[15:26] <PriceChild> LjL, afaik
[15:26] <PriceChild> LjL, ask hobbsee to confirm 8-)
[15:28] <LjL> PriceChild: eh, which?
[15:30] <PriceChild> 8.04 kde4
[15:30] <LjL> PriceChild: ah yes, that's pretty much confirmed
[15:32] <Seveas> Dave2, are you available for a cloak request?
[15:32] <jpatrick> PriceChild: looked at my suggestion? 8)
[15:32] <PriceChild> jpatrick, pardon?
[15:33] <jpatrick> PriceChild: link above^^
[15:34] <jussi01> jpatrick: no, I havent yet
[15:34] <Gary> Seveas, unaffiliated or ubuntu?
[15:34] <Dave2> Seveas, ubuntu/member/ ? sure
[15:34] <Dave2> though I see Gary got here first
[15:34] <PriceChild> jpatrick, still confused?
[15:34] <jpatrick> jussi01: so it's on your todo?
[15:35] <Seveas> Dave2, andyp requested his cloak to be changed from ubuntu/member/welshbyte to ubuntu/member/andyp
[15:35] <jussi01> jpatrick: your welcome to the task, im in the middle of something here
[15:35] <LjL> i'm not sure having a separate channel for kde 4 is needed...
[15:35] <Seveas> Is Gary staff now?
[15:35] <Dave2> yus
[15:35] <Seveas> Hell feels chilly
[15:35] <Gary> lol
[15:35] <PriceChild> Seveas, has been aaaaaaages
[15:35] <jpatrick> jussi01: so am I, just getting ready to write the minutes
[15:36] <Dave2> Gary, you want to do it? :P
[15:36] <PriceChild> Seveas, one day he just waltzed on in here with his new cloak... then cycled to make a point and continued as if nothing was different.
[15:36] <jussi01> jpatrick: ok, Ill get to it soon
[15:36] <Gary> I so did not cycle
[15:36] <Seveas> I am scared now
[15:36] <popey> flounce maybe, but not cycle
[15:36] <Gary> haha
[15:36] <Seveas> I think I'll move to OFTC
[15:37]  * Gary huggles Seveas 
[15:37]  * Seveas licks Gary 
[15:37] <Dave2> Seveas, done
[15:38] <Seveas> grazie
[15:38] <Dave2> no problem
[16:58]  * PriceChild installs kde4
[17:03] <PriceChild> This is quite cool.
[17:03]  * jussi01 is glad PriceChild likes it :D
[17:03] <LjL> glad for you
[17:03] <PriceChild> and wooooooooooooo gtk-qt-engine is fixed
[17:04] <PriceChild> so I *could* just switch to kde now and still have a working xchat
[17:06] <nalioth> PriceChild: you could have switched before and gotten a working xchat  (xchat is gtk)
[17:07] <PriceChild> hmm xchat just crashed randomly
[17:07] <nalioth> it just wouldn't have 'looked' like kde
[17:07] <PriceChild> nalioth, no
[17:07] <LjL> gtk-qt-engine works for me in kde 3... not flawless but at least mostly stable
[17:08] <PriceChild> nalioth, there was a bug in gtk-qt-engine which stopped channel names on the "tree view" from changing colour when you are pinged or new messages etc.
[17:08] <nalioth> PriceChild: ah
[17:08] <PriceChild> it worked for tabs, but not tree-view
[17:08] <nalioth> i thought the gtk-qt-engine was just supposed to make it look like kde
[17:08] <PriceChild> hmmm no terminal
[17:08] <LjL> nalioth: it is
[17:08] <LjL> it's a gtk to qt wrapper
[17:09] <PriceChild> Hobbsee says its crackful
[17:09] <crdlb> breaks lots of apps
[17:09] <Seveas> it is crackful
[17:09] <crdlb> it is
[17:09] <Seveas> the idea is nice though
[17:10]  * nalioth has gone to E17 (updated weekly from CVS) and has used it w/o complaints for almost a year
[17:11] <PriceChild> hmm i don't know what I want to do... because I *love* pidgin and xchat, no way i'm leaving those in the near future, but hmm
[17:11] <stdin> PriceChild: there's a bug in GTK+ where some apps with a system tray icon will crash, I've just added a parch so hopefully with 0ubuntu2 it should be fixed
[17:12] <stdin> *patch
[17:12] <LjL> works for the apps i use, few admittedly
[17:12]  * stdin is building the new kdebase-workspace now to test
[17:15] <PriceChild> stdin, woo :)
[17:19] <PriceChild> hmm I think i'll purge gnome, install kubuntu-desktop and switch it back to kde4 and see how things are for a little
[17:23] <Daviey> everytime gnome is purged jesus weeps :(
[17:23] <Seveas> everytime windows is purged god giggles
[17:24] <Daviey> God runs Ubuntu AFAIK
[17:33] <popey> GodBuntu IIRC
[17:34] <PriceChild> I just really like the black.
[17:35]  * popey is running the ubuntu studio theme on his ubuntu lappy
[17:36] <PriceChild> You know what else I love...
[17:37] <PriceChild> I'm purging gnome... and doing these things... and I don't need to reboot.
[17:38] <Daviey> popey: running Ubuntu Studio theme with Avant?
[17:40] <popey> yes
[17:40] <popey> looks lubbly
[17:40] <Daviey> git. thanks means our desktops look identical
[17:42] <stdin> hmm, can we add http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174 to !kde4 maybe?
[17:42] <popey> hah
[17:42]  * popey is giggling at Dave - Top Gear
[17:50] <LjL> stdin: maybe, i wonder though how "it's not ready for users" is compatible with "it will be default in ubuntu 8.04"
[17:51] <stdin> it will hopefully be better by then. I see a lot of people saying "why can't it do X? I could do X in kde3"
[17:52] <LjL> stdin: i'm afraid i'm one of them except i know better than to ask "why"
[17:53] <stdin> wanting to do something you could do before is fine, but expecting to be able to do everything you could in a mature release is a bit silly ;)
[17:53] <stdin> for a 0.0 release anyway
[17:55] <LjL> stdin: then i wonder why said release is being tagged for default desktop in the next version of ubuntu (and for that matter, while unrelated to us, the *only* version available in fedora). i do hope it will get better before 8.04 freezes, but i kind of doubt it, how longer is it until we freeze?
[17:57] <stdin> LjL: not sure how long, can't remember
[17:57] <stdin> but we need to push kde4 out, and seeing as we can't be an LTS, may as well do it now
[17:59] <LjL> it's all this "we need to push it out" i don't precisely understand.
[18:00] <LjL> if "KDE 4.0 is only expected to be used by early adopters" (where one would imply that "early adopters" would not represent average users), then why default...? these early adopters can probably install it themselves fine.
[18:00] <stdin> we aim to be "The" KDE distribution, KDE is now at 4
[18:01] <LjL> while non-early-adopters will be panicking at a desktop that's mostly crippled compared to what they used to have
[18:01] <LjL> and not know how to revert
[18:01] <stdin> and despite 4.0.0 not being intended for everyone, everyone will still use it
[18:02] <LjL> makes sense
[18:07] <ubotu> In ubotu, RyanPrior said: ot4ot is <reply> Unlawful activities and their related support activities are considered off-topic (even for off-topic channels), as are inappropriate advertising, heavy media file trading, gaming and proprietary game software modding, warez, hax0r activity, porn and various forms of antisocial behavior, including (but not limited to) political, racial, ethnic, religious or gender-related...
[18:07] <ikonia> ?
[18:08] <nalioth> ubotu: tell ryanprior about o4o
[18:27] <ompaul> ubotu tell ciacon about msgthebot
[18:46] <PriceChild> stdin: get that fixed, xchat isn't playing nice ;)
[18:46] <stdin> PriceChild: it is, it needs to be uploaded and built now
[18:47]  * PriceChild highfives stdin
[18:47] <stdin> although it may make your tray icons a bit ugly, it's better than nothing :)
[18:57] <PriceChild> gah dependency problems
[18:58] <nalioth> tray icons?
[18:59] <PriceChild> notification area
[19:00] <LjL> well, once they're on KDE, however, they become simply tray icons.
[19:02]  * nalioth uses E17.  no tray.  :(
[19:07] <PriceChild> why is this trying to launch apps as root rather than sudo grr
[19:08] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, vamsi said: ubotu: flash is installed. flash actually works fine on my firefox. problem is that flash videos do not play properly they break almost every frame
[19:46]  * jussi01 walks in
[19:51]  * nalioth trips jussi01 
[19:51]  * ompaul films it all and sticks it on youtube
[19:53] <Seeker`> happy slapping!
[19:55] <jussi01> LOL
[19:56] <jussi01> jpatrick: you around?
[20:00] <jpatrick> jussi01: boo
[20:06] <jpatrick> anyone freenode staff around?
[20:06] <jpatrick> any*
[20:07] <jpatrick> !staff
[20:07] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2 or Christel,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[20:08] <nalioth> jpatrick: usually
[20:09] <jpatrick> nalioth: is it true you're looking for someone called evsa?
[20:09] <nalioth> jpatrick: no, why?
[20:10] <jpatrick> nalioth: oh, someone in #kubuntu-es said he heard the freenode staff were looking for evsa and someone said: that's me, I changed nick so they wouldn't find me
[20:12] <nalioth> jpatrick: nope.
[20:12] <jpatrick> nalioth: ok, just checking
[20:12] <nalioth> they were running about last night registering #ubuntu-[way off topic] channels, jpatrick
[20:13] <nalioth> hopefully they read what i showed them are are now in a properly named channel
[20:13] <jpatrick> I think he's the guy who registered ##linux-cool
[20:14] <nalioth> i think so.
[20:14] <jpatrick> he's Crysis
[20:15] <nalioth> so long as he doesn't troll other channels, everyone is happy
[20:39] <jussi01> OK, so #kubuntu-kde4 is now registered. :)
[20:41] <jpatrick> nalioth: I've thrown him out of #k-es
[20:42] <nalioth> jussi01: for all of 3 months?
[20:42] <nalioth> jussi01: were you here for the lengthy discussion on this?
[20:43] <jpatrick> on the grounds that he's trolling, OT, and insulting users
[20:43] <nalioth> jpatrick: of course
[20:44] <jussi01> nalioth: Yes, I was there (if you are thinking of the same discussion as me)
[20:45] <nalioth> not sure why kde4 discussion can't take place in #kde or #ubuntu+1
[20:45] <jussi01> nalioth: we talked about it in the Kubuntu meeting today.
[20:46] <ardchoille> jussi01: What was decided?
[20:47] <jussi01> ardchoille: minutes are here: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/
[20:47] <ardchoille> jussi01: Thank you
[20:48] <ardchoille> pappy: Please refrain from chaning nicks so often
[20:48] <jpatrick> !nickspam > pappy
[20:48] <jpatrick> ardchoille: thank me I wrote it \o/
[20:48] <jpatrick> ;)
[20:48] <ardchoille> jpatrick: Thank you very much :)
[20:48] <pappy> sorru
[20:49] <nalioth> i'm still not convinced #kubuntu-kde4 is necessary
[20:52] <jussi01> nalioth: I think it is. If you look at the discussion in #kubuntu since kde4 has been released, most has been kde4 discussion. I worry that a lot of kde3.5 support queries are not being heard/not being asked.
[20:53] <ardchoille> jussi01: I agree
[20:53] <nalioth> so what happens in 3 months, jussi01 ?
[20:53] <nalioth> this is why we have #ubuntu+1
[20:53] <jpatrick> nalioth: we agreeed to merge when 4.1 is out
[20:53] <ardchoille> The adivce I give me or may not be good advice depending on which DE the person is using, and I won't be using kde4 anyway
[20:53] <nalioth> for all your future (release) questions
[20:54] <jussi01> nalioth: kde4 is out, its no longer a future release
[20:54] <jussi01> and the users are on gutsy
[20:57] <nalioth> jussi01: but it's not out for Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[20:57] <jpatrick> nalioth: it is :)
[20:57] <nalioth> jussi01: we are here to support official Ubuntu releases.  #ubuntu+1 is for the future.
[20:57] <nalioth> jpatrick: gutsy does not have kde4 in it, officially
[20:58] <nalioth> hardy is "not officially released" yet
[20:58] <jussi01> nalioth: so we should then be forwarding kde4 enquiries to #ubuntu+1 ??
[20:58] <LjL> jpatrick: hold on a sec, merge when *4.1* is out? so when *hardy* is out, we don't support it in #kubuntu?
[20:58] <jussi01> (and support)
[20:58] <ardchoille> jussi01: Does Riddell want #kubuntu-kde4 set up?
[20:58] <LjL> (unless it manages to catch 4.1 somehow)
[20:58] <nalioth> jussi01: you should be sending all enquiries concerning upcoming release features to #ubuntu+1
[20:59] <nalioth> jussi01: that is why #ubuntu+1 was formed
[20:59] <jpatrick> LjL: end of this year
[20:59] <LjL> nalioth, we don't support what's in backports?
[20:59] <LjL> jpatrick: end of this year what, 4.1 out?
[20:59] <nalioth> LjL: i didn't think we did.
[21:00] <jpatrick> LjL: yes
[21:00] <nalioth> backports are "unofficial", and it is the end users choice to enable those repos
[21:00] <LjL> jpatrick: so until the end of this year, #kubuntu would only support kde 3, even though hardy has kde 4 by default?
[21:01] <jpatrick> LjL: support only KDE4 on hardy
[21:02]  * LjL just reminds that #kubuntu doesn't have 1200 users
[21:02] <jpatrick> but we will one day
[21:02] <LjL> nalioth: "Backports is an official Ubuntu repository and maintained by knowledgeable Ubuntu developers who are often present on IRC and other communications media.", from help.ubuntu.com
[21:03] <jpatrick> backports is maintained by people in the MOTU
[21:06] <PriceChild> Can #kubuntu not handle a little extra discussion?
[21:08] <nalioth> i just don't see a reason for #kubuntu-kde4
[21:09] <PriceChild> right... I'm not allowed to edit xchat's settings
[21:10] <ardchoille> Well, I feel that there are too many releases being supported in #kubuntu now that it makes it a bit difficult to give proper advice (ex. restricted driver manager), I think it'll make it worse having kde4 in there too.
[21:11] <ardchoille> I realise we can ask which release a user is using but many don't even know how to obtain that info, and many times there are several people trying to help one user and those helpers are using diff releases
[21:12] <PriceChild> ardchoille, its the evening, all the americans are back and its not exactly heaving
[21:12] <ardchoille> :)
[21:14] <stdin> nalioth: the problem with +1 is that kde4 is in gutsy-backports, so kde4 is in gutsy
[21:15] <LjL> which means imho that it's supported in #kubuntu, and i really don't see an amount of traffic that justifies a split
[21:15] <ompaul> stdin, ardchoille so what I think might be useful is that if you put in the topic -- please state 4 or 3 at the start of your question if you are using kde4 or kde3.5 4 is not suggested for new users
[21:16] <nalioth> stdin: but it doesn't come 'standard' and is marked iwth all kinds of "this is for unofficial testing" words attached to it
[21:16] <LjL> it is?
[21:17] <stdin> nalioth: true, which is why I'm of two minds about #kubntu-kde4 anyway
[21:18] <jpatrick> Crysis: hello
[21:18] <Crysis> jaja
[21:18] <Crysis> me equivoque de canal
[21:19] <jpatrick> effie_jayx: explain to nalioth what happened
[21:20] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  the guy keeps following me and telling everyone I'm  an op
[21:20] <effie_jayx> as if I was banning him
[21:21] <effie_jayx> and he keeps using double meaning to troll in channels
[21:21] <ompaul> effie_jayx, we call them fans
[21:21] <effie_jayx> and then he has troll amnesia
[21:21] <PriceChild> Ok not going anymore.
[21:22] <ompaul> effie_jayx, who ?
[21:22] <jpatrick> ompaul: Crysis
[21:22] <ompaul> ack
[21:22] <effie_jayx> and he is no other than evsa
[21:23] <effie_jayx> anyway
[21:23] <effie_jayx> jpatrick,  anything else?
[21:23] <jpatrick> effie_jayx: no, he was just out of order to me
[21:24] <effie_jayx> ok
[21:24] <effie_jayx> guess I'm done here
[21:25]  * effie_jayx doesn't want to idle around
[21:42] <theunixgeek> Flare183 in #ubuntu keeps calling the bot on people too much. It's sorta disruptive :P
[21:44] <PriceChild> I will monitor it theunixgeek
[21:49] <LjL> not sure flare is the one to blame here
[21:49] <LjL> although he does spend half of his day in -bots
[21:49] <PriceChild> I wasn't in the channel at the time, haven't seen anything yet
[21:49] <ompaul> nalioth, where is that bus?
[21:50] <ompaul> Crysis, how can we help you?
[21:51] <nalioth> Cómo podemos ayudarte?
[21:53] <nalioth> Cómo podemos ayudarte?
[21:53] <fingersito> hola
[21:53] <Crysis> fingersito vaya
[21:54] <Crysis> preguntale fingersito lo mismo
[21:54] <fingersito> nalioth
[21:54] <LjL> what is going on here?
[21:54] <fingersito> ayer nos retaste recuerdas?
[21:54] <Crysis> no
[21:54] <Crysis> decile si es legal todo
[21:54] <fingersito> perate ps
[21:55] <fingersito> nalioth: nos mandaron a hablar con los operadores
[21:55] <nalioth> ingles?
[21:55] <fingersito> ok
[21:55] <LjL> fingersito: por que?
[21:55] <fingersito> pues creamos un cana
[21:55] <fingersito> canal
[21:56] <LjL> seria?
[21:56] <fingersito> we have been created a channel yesterday
[21:57] <Crysis> queremos saber si esta legal
[21:57] <fingersito> well nalioth come and said us some terms to create a channel
[21:57] <LjL> Crysis: cual es este canal?
[21:58] <fingersito> well everithing he said us we listenning to him and we acomplish
[21:58] <Daviey> Isn't this an english speaking channel?
[21:58] <fingersito> no
[21:58] <LjL> yes, this should really be in #ubuntu-irc
[21:58] <LjL> fingersito: yes
[21:58] <fingersito> is a spanish channel
[21:58] <LjL> fingersito: he was talking about *this* channel
[21:59] <nalioth> LjL: no, this is about ##linux-cool
[21:59] <Crysis> que dicen fingersito
[21:59] <Crysis> nalioth nos dijo ayer que ese estaba bien y lo podiamos hacer
[21:59] <LjL> nalioth: then i'm not sure what it has to do with us at all
[21:59] <fingersito> perate
[21:59] <LjL> sino?
[21:59] <nalioth> LjL: i'm sure we'll get to the cruncy parts in a minute or three
[21:59] <fingersito> mmm
[22:00] <fingersito> we are not doing any problem
[22:00] <Crysis> que paso fingersito
[22:00] <Crysis> esta legal todo??
[22:01] <LjL> esta legal *que* precisamente? crear un canal ## es legal siempre que yo sabia. ¿cual es el problema real?
[22:01] <fingersito> some peaple like grazz an mstreetlinux are join to our channel to say that "we must talk with you"
[22:01] <fingersito> we don't really knos whats the problem
[22:01] <LjL> i don't know those people
[22:02] <nalioth> if you are using ##linux-cool for cool linux chat, there is no problem
[22:02] <fingersito> bueno q ellos entran a nuestro canal
[22:02] <fingersito> para decirnos q no podemos estar ahi
[22:02] <fingersito> q debemos hablar con uds
[22:02] <Crysis> solo decile
[22:02] <fingersito> y pues nosotros qremos saber la upinion de uds
[22:02] <Crysis> si esta todo bien
[22:02] <Crysis> si hay algun problema???
[22:03] <Crysis> queremos saber si esta todo bien ya???
[22:03] <Crysis> o tenemos que hacer mas cosas?
[22:03] <Crysis> registramos nuestro canal y ya esta todo verdad, se llama ##linux-cool
[22:03] <fingersito> nalioth what that is exactly means
[22:03] <Crysis> todo esta correcto no hay nada mas que hacer?
[22:03] <fingersito> perate
[22:04] <LjL> fingersito, Crysis: verdad, no comprendo cual pueda ser el problema entre un canale llamado ##linux-cool y Ubuntu... es una red libre, si quereis tener un propio canal en el dominio ##, lo podeis hacer, por todo lo que sé yo
[22:05] <fingersito> gracias LjL era lo q necesitabamos escuchar
[22:05] <Crysis> thanks LjL
[22:05] <Crysis> fingersito: ya esta todo
[22:05] <Crysis> vamonos entonces
[22:05] <LjL> una cosa, fingersito y Crysis, si es mejor hablar español para vosotros, por favor podeis ententar utilizar palabras faciles y no abreviactiones como "q" etc.? algunos aqui tienen que utilizar google translate para comprendir
[22:05] <Crysis> ok LjL
[22:05] <Crysis> thanks very much
[22:05] <fingersito> ok
[22:06] <Crysis> see you later
[22:06] <Crysis> C-ya
[22:06] <Crysis> vamos fingersito
[22:06] <Crysis> ya esta todo
[22:06] <LjL> saludos
[22:06] <fingersito> LjL, no creo q nos vuelvan a molestar cierto
[22:07] <fingersito> ??
[22:07] <fingersito> en todo caso si viene un OP al canal y nos pide explicaciones
[22:07] <fingersito> que podemos decirle
[22:07] <fingersito> ??
[22:08] <LjL> fingersito, yo no comprendo *por que* deberia venir un op y pedir algo... *vosotros* soys los ops de ##linux-cool. solo puedo imaginar que, por ejemplo, si hacies publicidad a vuestro canal en otros canales, los operadores de estos canales pueden sentirse molestados
[22:08] <LjL> es lo que pasó?
[22:10] <jpatrick> LjL: judging by the ban list in #ubuntu-es, looks like it
[22:12] <LjL> jpatrick: well, ban them if they do that, but i suppose they can have their channel...
[22:12] <jussi01> OK, so what is to be done about #kubuntu-kde4 ? do I drop it? or are we going ahead with it?
[22:12] <jpatrick> LjL: one of them was banned..
[22:14] <fingersito> no necesariamente
[22:14] <fingersito> no paso eso
[22:14] <fingersito> es q lo preguntaron
[22:14] <fingersito> y crysis lo menciono
[22:15] <fingersito> ahi partio q nos empezaron a bombardear con preguntas
[22:15] <fingersito> y q debiamos hablar con uds
[22:15] <fingersito> en todo caso evitaremos mencionarlo en otros canales
[22:16] <jpatrick> fingersito: bueno, lo dejamos aqui
[22:16] <LjL> fingersito: pero yo veo mucho spam en #ubuntu-es sobre vuestro canal
[22:16] <LjL> [05:30] <evsa-> #linux-cool
[22:16] <LjL> [05:31] <evsa-> a linux-cool
[22:16] <LjL> [05:31] <evsa-> todos a #linux-cool
[22:16] <LjL> [05:31] <evsa-> #linux-cool
[22:16] <jpatrick> LjL: yep, evsa == Crysis
[22:16] <LjL> [05:37] <evsa-> si no puedes algo pregunta en #linux-cool
[22:16] <LjL> [06:27] <paulmasias> ##linux-cool
[22:16] <jpatrick> apparently
[22:16] <LjL> [06:33] <evsa-> ##linux-cool
[22:16] <LjL> [06:42] <evsa-> ##linux-cool the best channel in the world
[22:16] <LjL> [08:10] <Pregunton> mstreetlinux entra al canal #linux-cool para que veas a evsa en accion XD
[22:16] <LjL> [09:48] <bigdeal> Krodolfo: ve a ##linux-cool
[22:16] <LjL> [10:48] <evsa-> este es mi canal letsey ##linux-cool
[22:16] <LjL> [22:16] <fingersito> ##linux-cool
[22:16] <LjL> jpatrick: i can check nickserv ;)
[22:17] <jpatrick> !paste > LjL
[22:17] <Crysis> que es eso
[22:17] <Crysis> fingersito: que ha pasado
[22:17] <Crysis> copia todo en ##linux-cool
[22:17] <Crysis> para leerlo
[22:17] <fingersito> q hay mucho spam de nuestro canal en #ubuntu-es
[22:17] <fingersito> bueno no te preocupes
[22:18] <fingersito> me ocupare q no siga siendo asi LjL
[22:18] <Crysis> aaa
[22:18] <Crysis> pero decile
[22:18] <Crysis> que nosotros tenemos un grupo
[22:18] <Crysis> de los que formamos el canal
[22:18] <Crysis> entonces
[22:18] <Crysis> como varios no sabian y lo cambiamos a cada rato
[22:18] <Crysis> les deciamos que se fueran para que supieran del canal
[22:21] <LjL> i didn't understand the above, someone please explain
[22:21] <fingersito> LjL, lo dejamos ahi, yo me ocupo q no se siga molestando a los operadores de otros canales
[22:21] <LjL> fingersito, bueno
[22:21] <jpatrick> LjL: they're not going to bother any channels
[22:21] <fingersito> yes
[22:22] <Crysis> que dijo fingersito
[22:22] <fingersito> thats my Commitment
[22:22] <fingersito> bye and thanks
[22:25] <LjL> fingersito, Crysis: bye, be good
[22:25] <Crysis> yes LjL
[22:25] <Crysis> thanks
[22:27] <fingersito> ok
[22:27] <fingersito> bye
[22:29]  * LjL is a little bit confused
[22:29] <LjL> jpatrick, what does anything have to do with the UDS?
[22:29]  * jpatrick is too
[22:30]  * jussi01 has no idea whats going on there...
[22:30] <jpatrick> LjL: I have no idea...
[22:31] <LjL> jpatrick: well they said they were told that they should hear the opinion of the UDS about their channel. which is, of course, absurd. i hope it wasn't operators of #ubuntu-es telling them that?
[22:31] <stdin> someone who speaks spanish want to explain to carlos to join #ubuntu-es (in #ubuntu) ?
[22:32] <jpatrick> LjL: Ii think they read it in the Spanish tranlation of the guidelines..
[22:32] <jpatrick> stdin: he made it in there
[22:32] <stdin> jpatrick: took him long enough :/
[22:32] <ompaul> ban  forewared him
[22:33] <stdin> well, ok :)
[22:33] <LjL> !english | ompaul
[22:33] <ubotu> ompaul: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[22:34] <ompaul> smartalec (and yes a mute does not work on him)
[22:34] <Seeker`> why doesn't a mute work?
[22:34] <LjL> jpatrick, just one thing, next time, keep in mind #ubuntu-irc is a much better channel for this kind of issues... most people here will be kind of upset at seeing a discussion not in english, and also, it's really not within the scope of this channel
[22:34] <ompaul> cos he has voice
[22:35] <jpatrick> LjL: the guidelines were pretty much a literal traslation last time I saw
[22:35] <ompaul> LjL, who / what is pressenter
[22:35] <LjL> ompaul: an #ubuntu-pl op
[22:35] <ompaul> ack
[22:36] <ompaul> now I remember
[22:36] <LjL> jpatrick, link to the guidelines? (they're not in the topic)
[22:37] <jpatrick> LjL: http://doc.ubuntu-es.org/LoCo:Lineamientos_de_conducta_para_canales_de_IRC & https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines/Es
[22:38] <LjL> jpatrick: it really shouldn't mention #ubuntu-ops... rather you should probably have an #ubuntu-es-ops, or at least use #ubuntu-irc (but the former is probably more appropriate)
[22:39] <jpatrick> LjL: will do
[22:40] <jpatrick> arg, that Crysis has changed his nick again (camal now)
[22:42] <LjL> stdin: #kubuntu-kde4 should redirect to #kubuntu until (if) it's actually open. why do people already know about it?
[22:43] <stdin> LjL: yeah, but jussi01 is the only one able to do that (no one else on the access list)
[22:43] <stdin> LjL: people seem to have just tried to join -kde4 and see it's there
[23:06]  * PriceChild wonders why his alt+tab and ctrl+alt+f# have stopped working
[23:07] <PriceChild> ah they're back
[23:11] <PriceChild> Amaranth, hehe just noticed that gl always on top in kde4's desktop effects on a 945
[23:47] <ardchoille> PriceChild: Are you available for a quick pm?
[23:48] <PriceChild> ardchoille, no need to ask
[23:48] <ardchoille> ok
[23:55] <pressenter> 23:35 <+ompaul> LjL, who / what is pressenter
[23:56] <pressenter> He... remembers me? O_o
[23:56] <pressenter> Wonder where from.
[23:57] <PriceChild> pressenter, Someone was banned from your channel and I came to find someone to help didn't I? They were complaining in here...
[23:57] <pressenter> Ah... i'm famous, god damn! :D