[00:00] <adz21c> k4ever: excellent
[00:00] <adz21c> :)
[00:00] <corinth> or will the repository I used to grab kde4 for kubuntu work?
[00:00] <corinth> Thanks
[00:00] <k4ever> compiz works great with kde 4...
[00:00] <adz21c> k4ever: :-)
[00:00] <k4ever> no kpager integration though
[00:00] <alex__> i've lost my "task manager" (window list)... please, help me get it back
[00:01] <adz21c> k4ever: to be expected though to be fair
[00:01] <adz21c> alex__: kde4?
[00:01] <alex__> yes
[00:01] <k4ever> yes, i know
[00:01] <adz21c> alex__: entire panel or just the window list?
[00:01] <g2g591> alex_:its in the add wiget list, just drag it to the task bar
[00:01] <alex__> just the window list
[00:01] <basy> How to set smaller size of icon of running applications on my panel?, I wont 2 lines of this icons on my panel... :(
[00:01] <adz21c> then what g2g591 said :-)
[00:02] <g2g591> alex_ : ^^
[00:02] <adz21c> yea, my bad, missed his name :-P
[00:03] <k4ever> i like kde 4.0.  its very fast and looks pretty good.  plasma takes some getting used to, but i'm starting to like it
[00:03] <alex__> thanks adz21c and g2g591. I was dragging it once added as a widget to desktop
[00:03] <adz21c> alex__: yea that doesnt work yet :(
[00:04] <g2g591> alex_:ah, hopefully that is fixed in the current trunk
[00:04] <g2g591> im currently building from trunk, ill know all about the exact current state of what will be 4.1 in a few hours
[00:05] <adz21c> g2g591: cool :-)
[00:05] <ImRickJamesBiatc> darn
[00:05] <ImRickJamesBiatc> one more letter
[00:05] <MGalaxy> mount-iso-0.9.5 does not mount the CD-Images, any solution?
[00:07] <adz21c> MGalaxy: mount /path/to/file /path/to/mount/point -t iso9660 -o loop
[00:09] <OwlNoob> Hi has anyone had any success in making a multimedia kb work under kde4?
[00:09] <MGalaxy> adz21c: i want to solve the problem, not to mount a cd with mount -t
[00:10] <flamesage> Where is my Kubuntu Menu located?  I wish to make a backup.
[00:10] <adz21c> MGalaxy: well that works for me to mount cd images
[00:10] <ImRickJamesBiatc> nick modie101
[00:10] <modie101> hey question aqbout mounting an ISO image ...
[00:11] <modie101> do youhave to mount as a  file or a directory?
[00:12] <adz21c> modie101: what ya mean? the mount point?
[00:12] <corinth> Can anyone guess about how long it will be until 4.1 is released? I'm not looking for a date, just an estimation. Two, three months, six months?
[00:12] <adz21c> 6 to 9 months
[00:12] <corinth> Thanks.
[00:12] <modie101> yes the mount point
[00:12] <adz21c> should be a directory
[00:13] <g2g591> modie: the mount point must be an empty directory
[00:13] <DaSkreech> corinth: about 6 months
[00:13] <modie101> ok so I'll mkdir
[00:13] <modie101> then mount
[00:13] <modie101> cool
[00:13] <DaSkreech> corinth: With about 5 bug fix releases tween now and then
[00:15] <modie101> Freakin Sweet!!!
[00:15] <modie101> works like a charm
[00:15] <modie101> now I don't have to keep popping in the Kubuntu DVD to apt-get
[00:15] <DaSkreech> ...
[00:15] <corinth> DaSkreech: Will the bug fixes be released through the normal kubuntu repositories?
[00:16] <DaSkreech> modie101: Ah You had apt-cdrom in your sources ?
[00:16] <DaSkreech> corinth: They have been so far :-)
[00:16] <corinth> Thanks :-P
[00:16] <DaSkreech> corinth: You know the KDE 3.5.5 3.5.6 3.5.7 releases?
[00:16] <DaSkreech> etc etc
[00:17] <corinth> DaSkreech: I got it, thanks ;-)
[00:17] <DaSkreech> corinth: how long have you been using KDE?
[00:17] <corinth> DaSkreech: Not too long. I grew up as a gnome user :-P
[00:18] <DaSkreech> corinth: haha I should really make a short joke and punch in somethign about vision but ok
[00:18] <corinth> Lol.
[00:18] <DaSkreech> corinth: So you started using it during the 3.5 series ?
[00:18] <corinth> KDE is nice, but so is Gnome. Both have their strong points. And yes.
[00:18] <DaSkreech> corinth: the jumps between 4.0 and 4.1 might surprise you
[00:19] <corinth> I find that things work muc hbetter out of the box with Gnome, but KDE is much more customizable.
[00:19] <corinth> DaSkreech: Yep, looking forward to them ^_^
[00:19] <ProblematiKo> srry if this is a bit off-topic but what happens after 30 days using crossoffice? does everything stop working or you just cant install new stuff anymore?
[00:19] <DaSkreech> corinth: We are trying to get to the point where most things work out of the box with KDE as well
[00:20] <DaSkreech> Not sure how Gnome is going towards customization outside of choosing a new app
[00:20] <DaSkreech> If I'm mistaken please let me know
[00:20] <ProblematiKo> omg I LOVED the new KDE 4
[00:20] <DaSkreech> ProblematiKo: Uh oh
[00:20] <ProblematiKo> xD
[00:21] <corinth> DaSkreech: I don't think they are. The point of Gnome seems to be simplicity. In my experience, it's much easier for a friend of mine to switch from Winodws to Gnome instead of KDE.
[00:21] <ProblematiKo> well being a windows user a month ago (never used linux before) I felt much more confortable with KDE :T
[00:21] <corinth> At this point, things just seem to work better right away.
[00:21] <ProblematiKo> altough I feel it works better with slackware then kubuntu, maybe its just me x)
[00:21] <modie101> about mounting the ISO ....
[00:22] <modie101> once I mount the ISO is there a way I can get aptitude to always look at the mounted ISO automatical?
[00:23] <modie101> What happens usually is that it asks me for the CD then I pop it in and then press ok
[00:23] <DaSkreech> modie101: If you have it in your Fstab it will probably be there on startup all the time and aptitude could just drop it in the sources.list
[00:23] <DaSkreech> I did a real long roundabout way of doing that once :)
[00:23] <DaSkreech>  I should have written it down
[00:23] <modie101> oh ok so how do I drop an mount point in my sourceslist
[00:24] <modie101> is there a command?
[00:24] <DaSkreech> modie101: What do you want to do?
[00:24] <DaSkreech> Make it stop doing that?
[00:24] <modie101> i have mounted the ISO already
[00:24] <modie101> I can put it in my fstab  to make it an auto mount ..
[00:25] <modie101> but What do I do to aptitude to get it into my sources list?
[00:26] <DaSkreech> modie101: what are you trying to do?
[00:26] <modie101> is there a command  that can add a mounted FS to Aptitude Sources lIst?
[00:27] <DaSkreech> corinth: I gues it depends on the windows user
[00:27] <modie101> I guess it would be something like apt-get update
[00:27] <tubez> When I try to mount the ntfs disk. and at the ntfs-3g page thay says that It's shoud be mounted into /mnt/windows but what is that I have no folder in mnt? help me out?:S
[00:27] <DaSkreech> if they were a power user I think they trend towards KDE
[00:29] <lextul> can anybody play with amarok these url ? http://blue.jamendo.com/get/track/id/album/audio/play/2609
[00:29] <yao_ziyuan> kde's "digital-type clock" is so handsome!
[00:30] <yao_ziyuan> is that rectangular numeral rendered by a font?
[00:33] <modie101> Hey DaSkreech
[00:33] <DaSkreech> modie101: Yes?
[00:33] <modie101> I want to mount a DVD ISO as a DVD
[00:33] <DaSkreech> NEver tired that :)
[00:33] <modie101> and I want APtitude to include it in the souces list
[00:33] <DaSkreech> but if it's a DVD then just mount it as one
[00:33] <DaSkreech> If it's a DVD then use -t and mount it as UDF
[00:34] <modie101> well what it is  is the Kubuntu 7.10 DVD ISO
[00:34] <DaSkreech> modie101: You know it will pull from the DVD before it pulls from online right?
[00:34] <DaSkreech> modie101: ISO I think
[00:34] <n6vkz4jesus> kde 4.3.... I dont see the 4.3... in help/about window
[00:35] <n6vkz4jesus> I load the new one in update
[00:36] <vzduch> n6vkz4jesus: I guess you can expect KDE 4.3 in 2 years' time or so.. *gg*
[00:36] <modie101> I did the  following:
[00:36] <modie101> sudo mount /stuff/kubuntu-7.10-dvd-i386.iso /Kubuntu_DVD -t iso9660 -o loop
[00:36] <DaSkreech> n6vkz4jesus: Sory?
[00:36] <n6vkz4jesus> any one know but show it loaded ?
[00:36] <DaSkreech> modie101: And it's not in stuff?
[00:37] <modie101> so now the ISO is mounted as a file system
[00:37] <modie101> but is there a way I can get Adept manager to recognize that Filesysem rather then Ask me for theDVD all the time?
[00:38] <n6vkz4jesus> DaSkreech it show 3.5.....
[00:38] <DaSkreech> n6vkz4jesus: Right 3.5 is the latest
[00:38] <modie101> Yes the ISO isin stuff and I verified the mount works
[00:38] <modie101> now what do i tell adept?
[00:38] <modie101> do I edit the sources list manually?
[00:38] <n6vkz4jesus> why the update load show the other ?
[00:38] <DaSkreech> modie101: Yes but you have to add in a few other thigns as wel
[00:39] <modie101> does it even accept filesystems as a repository?
[00:39] <modie101> hmm
[00:39] <modie101> ok
[00:39] <DaSkreech> modie101: There was a page that showed you hold on let me see if I can find it
[00:39] <neonwind> hello im new here :)
[00:39] <modie101> one more question ...
[00:39] <DaSkreech> neonwind: welcome
[00:39] <DaSkreech> n6vkz4jesus: The other?
[00:39] <neonwind> thank you
[00:39] <modie101> would it be easier to mount a DVD ISO as a DVD rather then a regular FS?
[00:40] <flamesage> Do you guys know where I can find KDE 4 widgets?
[00:40] <DaSkreech> modie101: To linux it's all the same thing
[00:40] <neonwind> try google it
[00:40] <modie101> would that trick the Adept manager into just thinking its the Kubuntu DVD?
[00:40] <DaSkreech> if you put in a normal DVD it becomes a filesystem
[00:40] <DaSkreech> flamesage: KDE SVN
[00:40] <DaSkreech> modie101: Not by itself
[00:40] <neonwind> anyone from ireland????
[00:40] <modie101> <---- NYC
[00:41] <stdin> !ot | neonwind
[00:41] <ubotu> neonwind: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[00:41] <DaSkreech> neonwind: #kde4-release-party
[00:41] <DaSkreech> neonwind: Lots of chatter there. This is a support channel :)
[00:41] <modie101> ok
[00:42] <modie101> so now what do we have to do?
[00:42] <modie101> is there a command line such as apt-get recognizeFS_as_repository /path/to/FS
[00:43] <DaSkreech> modie101: apt-cdrom
[00:45] <modie101> ok I see I have to go through the proceess of scanning the cd/dvd into a  fulesysem oaccording to "man apt-cdrom:
[00:47] <ProblematiKo> How do I reduce the font size of the clock in KDE 4? that HUGE clock =_=
[00:47] <AddyK-W32> Hmm, can anyone tell me how Parralel Graph Colouring can be accomplished? Do I need multithread or something?
[00:49] <otaku-san> How is the eyecandy in KDE 4?  I was looking at the screen shots of the RC 2..and the kicker looks sooo good with that border around it...but in the final release I noticed it was replaced with a solid one with a fading trim on the top...what happened?  Are you still able to choose the other kicker style?
[00:49] <articpenguin3800> kicker isnt in kde4
[00:49] <articpenguin3800> its plasma
[00:50] <otaku-san> haha can you tell I still have dapper drake
[00:50] <DaSkreech> otaku-san: "_
[00:50] <LjL> otaku-san: i don't think you can choose
[00:51] <otaku-san> mmm...now that sucks
[00:51] <stdin> yet
[00:51] <DaSkreech> modie101: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=1344&view=next&sid=4664f94f839a357c4e3807b8622372f9
[00:51] <otaku-san> ah..true stdin
[00:51]  * DaSkreech waves at PriceChild
[00:52] <otaku-san> 4 is still new
[00:52] <DaSkreech> It's about a day old :)
[00:52] <DaSkreech> That's ooooooolllldddd in Open source terms
[00:52] <otaku-san> haha
[00:52] <DaSkreech> there hae been like 2000 commits since then
[00:53] <DaSkreech> maybe 3000
[00:53] <articpenguin3800> time to watch patriots =)
[00:53] <PriceChild> Hi DaSkreech.
[00:53]  * DaSkreech bows
[00:55] <biovore> oO
[00:56] <ProblematiKo> can I make a slideshow as wallpaper in KDE with less then 1min between each slide?
[00:56] <DaSkreech> Yes
[00:56] <DaSkreech> Or rather
[00:56] <ProblematiKo> DaSkreech, cool, how? cause I was going for 30 fps xD
[00:56] <DaSkreech> you can make a slideshow wallpaper
[00:56] <DaSkreech> ProblematiKo: Ha ha Joker :)
[00:57] <ProblematiKo> DaSkreech, I want a dreamscene equivalent =~
[00:57] <Makuseru> can someone recommend a multamedia converter?
[01:00] <appie> l
[01:01] <appie> hi
[01:01]  * DaSkreech waves
[01:02] <otaku-san> Makuseru: I have only converted one thing with Konsole...and can't remember where I found that guide.  I did find this though:
[01:02] <otaku-san> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Multimedia+Converter?content=61463
[01:02] <otaku-san> don't know if it converts well
[01:02] <otaku-san> or if you've tried it
[01:03] <otaku-san> search some audiophile forums
[01:03] <otaku-san> there are plenty Linux audio and video lovers..who would know the best way to convert
[01:03] <otaku-san> and the easiest
[01:06] <n6vkz4jesus> DaSkreech yeh ubuntu 4.3... ahhhh not kde
[01:06] <DaSkreech> n6vkz4jesus: Aah there we go
[01:06] <DaSkreech> There is no Ubuntu 4.3 either :)
[01:06] <DaSkreech> but that's cool
[01:07] <DaSkreech> I think the first Ubuntu was 4.10
[01:09] <vzduch> DaSkreech: right
[01:10] <vzduch> Makuseru: to convert what to what?
[01:10] <somekool> hi there
[01:11] <DaSkreech> vzduch: Ubuntu is getting old :(
[01:11] <somekool> why do I need to reboot my notebook computer to plug a external monitor on the VGA output thingy?
[01:11] <vzduch> DaSkreech: there's even older distros out there
[01:11] <spiroo> I wondering, QT4 will coming for KDE4.1 right?
[01:11] <somekool> what does it do on boot that it detects it ....
[01:12] <g2g591> spiroo: huh? qt4 is out
[01:12] <DaSkreech> vzduch: the problem is soon there will be younger ones :)
[01:12]  * DaSkreech blinks
[01:12] <DaSkreech> spiroo: wrong way around
[01:12] <spiroo> g2g591: Sorry I mean version 4.4
[01:12] <DaSkreech> KDE4 comes for QT4
[01:12] <biovore> QT4.3 is current QT version
[01:12] <g2g591> spiroo: perhaps...
[01:12] <somekool> spiroo: dude.... we spell it Qt not QT and Qt4 has been out way before KDE4. as a matter a fact, KDE4 was only ideas and could not be programmed until Qt4 was reallity. KDE4 now requires Qt4.3
[01:12] <DaSkreech> spiroo: You can get QT 4.4 now
[01:13] <DaSkreech> somekool: he corrected himself
[01:13] <spiroo> Just wondering, Adobe is up for QT. Wonder if we are going to see Photoshop inside for Linux in the future.
[01:13] <DaSkreech> assuming that spiroo is a he
[01:13] <spiroo> yes I am a he
[01:13]  * DaSkreech nods
[01:13] <g2g591> spiroo: the trunk (in kde svn) which will become 4.1 only requires 4.3 at this time
[01:13] <DaSkreech> anyway you can grab a preview of Qt 4.4 now if you like
[01:14] <otaku-san> haha that would be nice..not having to force Photoshop to work on Linux
[01:14] <somekool> there are linux chicks, but even less on IRC ;)
[01:14] <spiroo> Nah, just wondering.
[01:14] <DaSkreech> somekool: Same for guys :-)
[01:14] <g2g591> Daskreech: how do you do "actions" in irc
[01:14] <spiroo> But I wonder mostly if Photoshop if going to be released in QT-version.
[01:14]  * DaSkreech shrugs
[01:14] <DaSkreech> No idea what you are talking about :)
[01:15] <somekool> well, DaSkreech: you mean there is more linux users than linux users on IRC? I've got to call that one an obvious
[01:15] <spiroo> this is what I am talking about: http://trolltech.com/customers/allcustomers/adobe/
[01:15] <DaSkreech> somekool: Well you started :-P
[01:15] <g2g591> DaSkreech: sigh
[01:15] <somekool> nod
[01:15] <Makuseru> vzduch: to convert video, liike avi to mpg
[01:15] <somekool> +s
[01:16] <n6vkz4jesus> summary
[01:16] <n6vkz4jesus> control center for KDE
[01:16] <n6vkz4jesus> version
[01:16] <n6vkz4jesus> 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.8
[01:16] <n6vkz4jesus> status
[01:16] <n6vkz4jesus> install ok installed
[01:16] <n6vkz4jesus> from kpackage
[01:16] <spiroo> Any response for Photoshop here?
[01:17] <n6vkz4jesus> what is this mean sorry for not being smart enough to know
[01:17] <biovore> kde 3.5.6 control center
[01:17] <DaSkreech> n6vkz4jesus: that's version 3.5.6
[01:18] <DaSkreech> n6vkz4jesus: with a patch from ubuntu patch version 20 it looks like
[01:19] <otaku-san> spiroo: well if Adobe uses it..who knows.  Linux is still stepping up and up
[01:19] <n6vkz4jesus> so that is ubuntu version number 4...... that confuse me?
[01:20] <DaSkreech> biovore: What's the first 4 for ?
[01:20] <otaku-san> spiroo: we may have a linux version of PS.  Or just a KDE version of PS..haha
[01:20] <stdin> DaSkreech: that's the epoch
[01:22] <DaSkreech> stdin: I don't get it
[01:22] <DaSkreech> stdin: the 4th release of Ubuntu ?
[01:22] <stdin> no, means someone messed up :p
[01:23]  * DaSkreech laughs
[01:23] <DaSkreech> ok what's it supposed to be?
[01:23] <DaSkreech> Is the epoch 0 indexed?
[01:23] <dbglt> plasma does not want to seem to startup for me
[01:23] <stdin> no, the epoch can be any number
[01:23] <dbglt> I tried running it from the cli, but it seems to fail. Kicker still works with kde4 though
[01:23] <dbglt> just not that well :
[01:23] <dbglt> :p
[01:24] <DaSkreech> stdin: Is it meaningful ?
[01:25] <stdin> DaSkreech: it's added when someone uploads one version, then at release realises that it's not stable enough (or for some other reason) so needs to be reverted to a lower version. now dpkg/apt won't install a lower version by default so you need an epoch
[01:25] <DaSkreech> Which release?
[01:25] <DaSkreech> Ubuntu relelase or the package?
[01:26] <stdin> a distro release
[01:26] <DaSkreech> stdin: Want to take this to motu ?
[01:26] <stdin> it was probably added in debian so we have to have it too
[01:26] <DaSkreech> I'm guessing :)
[01:27] <stdin> but that's the reason you see packages with version numbers like that, lesson over. go play :)
[01:31] <spiroo> Is there going to be a global package manager in the future. I mean Gnome uses Synaptic and KDE Adapt
[01:31] <heatmzzr> anyone tried the kde4.0 yet?
[01:32] <spiroo> heatmzzr: Yes me
[01:32] <stdin> spiroo: the reason is that gnome uses GTK+ and KDE uses Qt
[01:32] <heatmzzr> what do you think, i use ubuntu right now..
[01:33] <biovore> kde4 isn't ready for prime yet
[01:33] <spiroo> stdin: okay, but why is that so? I mean they are both a part of the ubuntu-project.
[01:33] <stdin> spiroo: no
[01:33] <spiroo> heatmzzr: I do not recommend to use KDE 4.0 at the moment.
[01:33] <spiroo> stdin: no?
[01:33] <heatmzzr> spiro, buggy?
[01:33] <stdin> spiroo: both were around long before ubuntu
[01:33] <biovore> gtk gui -> synaptic,  qt gui -> adept
[01:34] <Skyblast> This KDE4 is really only useful to devs to get their Qt apps looking and running good in it... As it stants now, there are next to no Qt4-native apps
[01:34] <B2ASpirit> does anyone know of a good repository to get kde4 installed
[01:34] <biovore> Skyblast: see topic
[01:34] <B2ASpirit> does the current kubuntu disc have kde4 on it??
[01:34] <stdin> B2ASpirit: you should learn to read channel topics to stop looking foolish
[01:34] <Skyblast> What about it
[01:35] <spiroo> heatmzzr: No, because there is no application coded for KDE4.0 yet. Wait for 4.1.
[01:35] <biovore> B2ASpirit: there is alive cd with kde4 on if you to see it.
[01:35] <stdin> Skyblast: the big link with "KDE 4.0" by it should give you a hint
[01:35] <dbglt> does anyone know my plasma refuses to run? I get
[01:35] <dbglt> <unknown program name>(17372)/ checkComposite: Plasma has an argb visual 0x8060e20 69206017
[01:35] <dbglt> <unknown program name>(17372)/ checkComposite: Plasma is COMPOSITE-less on 0x805b040
[01:35] <spiroo> stdin: Hehe yes, but I mean Ubuntu and Kubuntu is working "together".
[01:35] <stdin> erm  B2ASpirit ^
[01:35] <B2ASpirit> hehe the irony is that is the same site repository i found
[01:35] <B2ASpirit> thanks for the pointing it out
[01:35] <Skyblast> Don't understand what a link has to do with my opinion
[01:36]  * B2ASpirit smacks self 
[01:36] <B2ASpirit> i didn't even need to come in here at all
[01:36] <B2ASpirit> now i really look stupid :P
[01:36] <B2ASpirit> thanks
[01:36] <B2ASpirit> peace out
[01:36] <stdin> Skyblast: wan't meant for you actually
[01:37] <stdin> spiroo: so what do you want to happen? gnome to use Qt or KDE to use GTK?
[01:37] <stdin> neither will happen btw :p
[01:37] <DaSkreech> spiroo: There are many apps for kde 4.0
[01:38] <otaku-san> and you can still run GTK apps in Kubuntu
[01:38]  * stdin wonders how many 3rd-party apps there were for kde 1.0 when it came out...
[01:38]  * DaSkreech raises his hand
[01:38] <DaSkreech>  Can I vote stdin :)
[01:38] <spiroo> stdin: I am not sure, I just think Ubuntu could agree with one standard, would pleasure most of the users.
[01:39] <stdin> spiroo: ubuntu don't get a choice in the matter, it's up to gnome/kde
[01:39] <spiroo> DaSkreech: Nothing to have though. For instance you do not have Amarok.
[01:39] <DaSkreech> spiroo: shut down the Kubuntu Edubuntu and edubuntu projects then ?
[01:39] <DaSkreech> Argh
[01:39] <DaSkreech>  Xubuntu
[01:39] <stdin> there's a Edubuntu-KDE too :)
[01:40] <DaSkreech> spiroo: I do :)
[01:40] <modie101> DaSkreech
[01:40] <DaSkreech> stdin: sub project I doubt it would live through the death of either Kubuntu or edubuntu ;-)
[01:40] <modie101> what would be the entry to auto mount the following:
[01:40] <spiroo> To many different desktops I think, woulde be better with some kind of framework all of the could use. And then the desktop in itself could be different.
[01:40] <modie101> mount /stuff/ISOs/kubuntu-7.10-dvd-i386.iso /Kubuntu_DVD -t iso9660 -o loop
[01:41] <abrakadabra>  any virtualisation that do not require vmx flag and can run linux windows bsd and osx at the same time ? (giving each os a seperate independant hardware control ) like xen does.
[01:41] <stdin> spiroo: "choice" it's both a gift and a burden :)
[01:41] <DaSkreech> !fstab | modie101
[01:41] <ubotu> modie101: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[01:41] <otaku-san> well you guys have made me miss my linux enough.  I'm going to reboot into kubuntu
[01:41] <DaSkreech> spiroo: They could just brand apple stuff :)
[01:42] <stdin> abrakadabra: you can't run osx on a VM, it's against their EULA
[01:42] <spiroo> stdin: Yes I guess so. I just do not want different standards and formats thats all.
[01:42] <x_> Hi
[01:42] <spiroo> DaSkreech: Yes would be nice xD *not*
[01:42] <stdin> spiroo: that's what the freedesktop.org people do, make standards
[01:42] <DaSkreech> spiroo: there is a standard
[01:43] <spiroo> Yes one thing is, Linux core :)
[01:43] <stdin> kde switched to dbus, what more do you want? :P
[01:43] <DaSkreech> spiroo: hardly
[01:44] <stdin> spiroo: no, there are many different variations and configs
[01:44] <DrVince> How do I handle .cpk files?
[01:44] <spiroo> stdin: I am not well informed in every single program and word. Sorry :P Wish I had time for that. I just want people to reunite and not createa another project.
[01:44] <stdin> generally, no two distributions kernels are the same
[01:45] <spiroo> stdin: okay, yes they are not completely the same of course.
[01:45] <stdin> spiroo: the free software world is about choice, and like I said. it's both a gift and a burden
[01:45] <DaSkreech> spiroo: sorry.. what new project?
[01:45] <stdin> someone will always have a "better" way of doing exactly the same thing :)
[01:45] <spiroo> stdin: Yea I guess so ;) Wish more people were using KDE :)
[01:46] <spiroo> stdin: Of course
[01:46] <spiroo> stdin: but it would not hurt if some of them cooperated with each other.
[01:47] <Makuseru> are there any how-to's  on how to make splash screens (start up screens) and login screens?
[01:47] <Makuseru> i googled around but didnt find much
[01:47] <martin_> hi all
[01:47] <martin_> just switched from win XP to kubuntu on my laptop
[01:47] <DaSkreech> !ot | spiroo
[01:47] <ubotu> spiroo: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:47] <martin_> man what a speed increase
[01:47] <andresmujica> nice to here
[01:47] <kiba-kun> I want my kde4
[01:47] <martin_> two problems however
[01:48] <martin_> can't get synaptics to wokr
[01:48] <spiroo> sorry bot and DaSkreech.
[01:48] <kiba-kun> martin_: apt-get is good enough for me
[01:48] <DaSkreech> spiroo: Wanna continue convo there
[01:48] <martin_> and my dial up through bluetooth gives a NO CARRIER
[01:48] <DaSkreech> spiroo: Join :)
[01:48] <martin_> kiba: I mean the touchpad driver
[01:50] <martin_> seems more people have problems with it
[01:50]  * DaSkreech drags spiroo to #kubutnu-offtopic
[01:50] <DaSkreech> argh
[01:50] <DaSkreech> #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:50] <DaSkreech> bah
[01:50] <DaSkreech> #kde4-rants :)
[01:50] <bazhang> haha
[01:53] <martin_> I get this in my Xorg logfile:
[01:53] <phoul> anyone know where i can find alsaconf now-adays
[01:53] <martin_> (II) Synaptics touchpad driver version 0.14.6 (1406)
[01:53] <martin_> Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics event device found (checked 18 nodes)
[01:53] <martin_> (**) Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
[01:53] <martin_> (**) Option "SHMConfig" "true"
[01:53] <martin_> (**) Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "0"
[01:53] <martin_> Query no Synaptics: 6003C8
[01:53] <martin_> (EE) Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device
[01:53] <martin_> (EE) Synaptics Touchpad Unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware.
[01:53] <martin_> (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Synaptics Touchpad"
[01:53] <martin_> (II) UnloadModule: "synaptics"
[01:53] <martin_> any suggestions to fix it?
[01:53] <biovore> !pastebin
[01:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:54] <martin_> k
[01:55] <martin_> ok, guess no suggestions
[01:55] <DaSkreech> !synaptics
[01:56] <ubotu> For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[01:56] <phoul> No one knows about alsaconf?...
[01:56] <martin_> another challenge: I have a RAID 5 config (software through BIOS) and working on my kubuntu
[01:56] <selckin> phoul: its removed
[01:56] <martin_> however I need grub to regognize it too, how can i do that?
[01:57] <phoul> selckin, theres still gotta be a way to get it... its such an important tool..
[01:57] <martin_> thatnks daskreech
[01:57] <NexaMac> martin_: check out the boot.lst
[01:57] <Makuseru> i googled around but didnt find much
[01:57] <martin_> just scanned it
[01:57] <Makuseru> are there any how-to's  on how to make splash screens (start up screens) and login screens?
[01:57] <biovore> martin_: you probably cant..  (bios software raid users propriatary software that we arn't allowed to have)
[01:58] <martin_> nexa: and look for?
[01:58] <NexaMac> i joined mid-conversation.. what are you trying to make grub find?
[01:58] <DaSkreech> !raid
[01:58] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[01:58] <martin_> my RAID 5 nvidia
[01:58] <NexaMac> ah
[01:58] <NexaMac> no idea then :p
[01:59] <martin_> I used the fakeraidhowto
[01:59] <martin_> that's the way i can reach my win disks
[01:59] <martin_> but now i want grub to boot that disk
[01:59] <biovore> martin_: http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html
[02:00] <martin_> thx
[02:00] <martin_> gonna read that one
[02:00] <martin_> maybe it has some good suggestions
[02:00] <martin_> now let's see whether I can get synaptics to work
[02:00] <martin_> struggeling for hours and hours now
[02:01] <biovore> well basicly it says your probably screwed.. the nvidia raid controll is simular to the intell ICH stuff..  it bios raid.. not real raid..
[02:01] <martin_> although i saw some reports on a bug in gutsy and predeccors on that
[02:01] <biovore> you can do raid using the linux MD raid stuff though..
[02:01] <martin_> biovore: ok, so that means it's not possible at all
[02:02] <martin_> no need to look further for grub and nvidia raid then
[02:02] <biovore> not using the nvidia raid stuff.. probably not possible..  check nvidia's site for propriotary drivers.. but probably not going to work..
[02:03] <martin_> well, although I am still struggling with some hardware I must say linux has made big steps (last time I installd Suse was 4 years go)
[02:04] <martin_> If this progress on automatic hardware support goes on linux will get a big user base
[02:04] <martin_> thx guys for helping me
[02:06] <Qrawl> Am I the only person on the planet where Amarok wont work in KDE4?
[02:08] <biovore> hmm I would think it should..  But I havn't tried..
[02:10] <coreymon77> so, is kde4 stable now?
[02:10] <coreymon77> as in, actually stable, not just officially stable
[02:10] <biovore> not really..
[02:10] <biovore> not ready for prime time / daily use..
[02:11] <smick> any reason not to get KDE4 on gutsy?
[02:11] <smick> looks and sounds great so far
[02:12] <coreymon77> biovore: so in other words, wait a bit
[02:12] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: yes
[02:12] <DaSkreech> wait
[02:12] <DaSkreech> what?
[02:12] <DaSkreech> a whole bunch of people are using it now
[02:12] <DaSkreech> granted * can't use it
[02:13] <DaSkreech> but still for quite a number of people it's quite stable and good
[02:13] <DaSkreech> as long as you don't use Wifi or PIM :)
[02:13] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: so in other words, dont bother yet
[02:13] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: If you need those two and don't want to run KDE3 and KDE4 libs then yeah
[02:14] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: no wifi is quite the big issue i would think
[02:14] <smick> I don't use wifi on the desktop, neither do I use a PIM. Personal Information Manager?
[02:14] <DaSkreech> smick: Me either
[02:15] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: It's still there obviously just no GUI for it
[02:15] <DaSkreech> You can command line it (scripts ftw!) or use KDE3 knetworkmanager
[02:15] <smick> DaSkreech: so you run it?
[02:15] <DaSkreech> smick: I will when I get back
[02:17] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: oh, i never use knetworkmanager, i just cmdline iwconfig
[02:18] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: Oh Pfft so why do you care then?
[02:18] <stdin> coreymon77: it's harder when you have wifi
[02:19] <smick> after I add a server to my sources.list, do I need to restart x?
[02:19] <coreymon77> stdin: youre telling me? the person who used to have to spend entire days getting wifi to work before i smartened up and got an atheros card?
[02:20] <selckin> smick: not related at all
[02:20] <smick> so if it's telling me it can't install kde4-core, then it's not becasue I havent' refreshed the sources list
[02:21] <smick> it says couldn't find package.
[02:21] <stdin> smick: what error do you get?
[02:21] <stdin> then you do need to reload the package list.
[02:21] <smick> Couldn't find package kde4-core
[02:21] <smick> how do I do that?
[02:21] <DaSkreech> smick: No
[02:21] <stdin> it's there, I know it's there, I put it there ;)
[02:21] <vzduch> smick: sudo apt-get update
[02:22] <DaSkreech> smick: sudo apt-get update
[02:22] <DaSkreech> or press F5 in adept
[02:22] <smick> ok, just did that, I'll try intall again
[02:22]  * DaSkreech laughs at stdin
[02:23] <smick> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:23] <selckin> sudo
[02:23] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: So you basically have no real adverse stuff for KDE4 ( I can see)
[02:23] <selckin> sl=et
[02:23] <stdin> and close adept
[02:23] <selckin> something tells me you shouldn't be using kde4
[02:24] <DaSkreech> selckin: Not as bad as using hardy :)
[02:24] <kiba-kun> well
[02:24] <kiba-kun> kde4 is out right?
[02:24] <smick> you guys are good.
[02:24] <Audiomaniac> Hi, anyone able to help updating to kde4?
[02:24] <smick> I did have adept open after updating some stuff and forgot.
[02:24] <kiba-kun> I need help
[02:25] <kiba-kun> I broke my apt-get stuff
[02:25] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: is there a point in running it side by side with kde3
[02:25] <kiba-kun> while trying to update to kde4
[02:25] <Audiomaniac> tried to follow http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php but stll wouldn't find a package kde4-core
[02:25] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: Yes
[02:25] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: because some programs dont exist yet
[02:25] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: for kde4
[02:25] <DaSkreech> Right
[02:25] <smick> getting kde4 now.  there goes the neighborhood.
[02:25]  * DaSkreech pokes stdin :)
[02:25] <coreymon77> oh, not sure i have the space for it then
[02:25] <Audiomaniac> smick: how do you get it installed/downloaded?
[02:25]  * stdin pokes back
[02:26] <smick> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[02:26] <smick> first go here: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[02:26] <stdin> kiba-kun: a log of the errors would he helpful
[02:26] <Qrawl> Can someone help me get Amarok working in KDE4?   it wont load.  I get these errors:  http://www.pastebin.ca/852783
[02:26] <smick> add the source in the instructions to your sources list.
[02:27] <Audiomaniac> smick: thanks, i found them as well but i added the additional source to my sources.list but apt-get still can't find a package called 'kde4-core'....
[02:27] <Audiomaniac> i also ran an apt-get update
[02:27] <smick> same problem as me I think.  sudo apt-get update
[02:27] <smick> fuck, ok, nevermind that
[02:27] <Audiomaniac> hehe np
[02:27] <stdin> Audiomaniac: what version of kubuntu do you have?
[02:27] <Audiomaniac> 7.10
[02:27] <stdin> !language | smick
[02:27] <ubotu> smick: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[02:28] <smick> stdin: sorry, will do
[02:28] <stdin> Audiomaniac: well it is there, make sure you added the source right
[02:28] <smick> check your names and case one more time maybe??
[02:28] <Audiomaniac> *go over it again*...
[02:29] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: im space limited as it is, so its the last thing i need
[02:29] <smick> are you sure you added the source right.  the name is exactly this:  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main
[02:29] <stdin> a kde4 base install takes less that 200MB
[02:29] <smick> you need all those for gutsy
[02:29] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: that would be another good reason why  you don't use it :)
[02:30] <coreymon77> stdin: ill wait for kde4 to settle itself so that i dont have to run it alongside kde3
[02:30] <coreymon77> stdin: or ill just give it a whirl on my mac
[02:30] <Audiomaniac> everyone: here we go... :) Thanks, doing it a 2nd time always works :)
[02:30] <Qrawl> Can someone help me get Amarok working in KDE4?   it wont load.  I get these errors:  http://www.pastebin.ca/852783
[02:30] <kiba-kun> recommenjded paste bin?
[02:31] <kiba-kun> the pastebin I am using is not working
[02:31] <stdin> kiba-kun: /topic
[02:31] <Audiomaniac> smick: should i install the packatges that can't be authenticated too?
[02:31] <Audiomaniac> or better not?
[02:31] <stdin> Audiomaniac: yes
[02:31] <smick> I think they warn you, and it's cool
[02:31] <Audiomaniac> stdin: thanks
[02:31] <DaSkreech> Qrawl: I forget if you can switch databases now with amarok how did you install it ?
[02:31] <stdin> smick: it's just because PPA packages aren't signed yet
[02:31] <Qrawl> I dont even use a database
[02:32] <stdin> it's a PPA limitation
[02:32] <Qrawl> oh
[02:32] <DaSkreech> Qrawl: Amarok needs one
[02:32] <Qrawl> I think I know what migth be wrong
[02:32] <Audiomaniac> Amarok rocks! :)
[02:33] <Qrawl> I changed it to play a file when you click it instead of queueing it
[02:33] <Qrawl> and that uses dcop I think
[02:33] <kiba-kun> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51737/
[02:34] <Audiomaniac> Now listening to:You Walk Away by Filter on The Amalgamut
[02:34] <DaSkreech> not in KDE4 it doesn't ")
[02:34] <Qrawl> thats the problem
[02:35] <Qrawl> the custom command I gave Amarok is using dcop
[02:35] <Dragnslcr> stdin- you happen to know when all of the KDE4 packages will be moved over to the standard backports repository?
[02:35] <Qrawl> and it is confusing KDE4
[02:35] <VictorStone> i like the name... Amarok... listening to H3llYeah for the first time
[02:36] <stdin> Dragnslcr: when they compile, it takes a while for them to queue
[02:37] <Dragnslcr> So it's best to stick with the PPA repository for a while longer?
[02:38] <kiba-kun> is someone looking into the pastiie?
[02:39] <stdin> Dragnslcr: the'll probably be all in there by next week at the latest
[02:39] <Dragnslcr> Nice, I'll have to keep an eye out
[02:40] <Dragnslcr> Hopefully I'll have time tomorrow to play with KDE4 some more. RC2 wasn't quite usable
[02:41] <VictorStone> i've written a calc applet i want to integrate into a program... what language should i use?
[02:41] <VictorStone> <linux baby
[02:41] <stdin> VictorStone: that's not a Kubuntu support question
[02:42] <VictorStone> oh
[02:42] <stdin> try #kubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-offtopic or ##offtopic
[02:42] <VictorStone> tx
[02:42] <stdin> or #defocus too
[02:43] <ScottG> Dragnslcr: KDE4 final is better.. using it now, had RC2 as well.
[02:49] <aram> hi i have just run dhcp server on ubuntu ,want to know how can i find the list of ip that dhcp server has assigned to client?
[02:50] <selckin> offtopic & read whichever server you're using documentation
[02:50] <Manad> problem; gotta press each key for 2s before it is input. help.
[02:50] <biovore> aram: I think the log file is in /var/log  or /var/run
[02:51] <aram> ok let me check
[02:51] <Manad> any ideas/
[02:52] <Manad> keyboard not problem
[02:52] <Manad> works fine in bios
[02:54] <Manad> works fine in vt1
[02:54] <reg_> hi back
[02:54] <aram> does any one know why dhcp assign ip from last i mean if range is 1.1.1.10 to 1.1.1.20 the first ip it would assign to client is 1.1.1.20 and 2nd =19 and so on ?why?
[02:55] <n6vkz4jesus> aram you make the range you want it to be
[02:58] <aram> n6vkz4jesus: : i mean why it assign the ip which is last one of the range to the first client that request ip i.e if range is 1.1.1.1 to 1.1.1.20 the first ip it assign is 1.1.1.20
[03:00] <n6vkz4jesus> good question, some thing I take for granted when getting from the server
[03:01] <n6vkz4jesus> not the answer your looking for
[03:01] <MinusSeven> How is KDE 4 going?
[03:01] <Makuseru> are there any how-to's  on how to make splash screens (start up screens) and login screens?
[03:01] <MinusSeven> Is it cleaner than previous versions?
[03:01] <ScottG> MinusSeven: usiing it as we speak.. better than RC2, still a little rough
[03:02] <MinusSeven> I don't know if I want to try it or not, might wait for Kubuntu 8.04
[03:03] <ScottG> should be pretty refied by then I hope
[03:03] <ScottG> refined
[03:05] <MinusSeven> I don't understand this on the kde website "KDE4's full-featured applications run natively on Linux, BSD, Solaris, Windows and Mac OS X."
[03:05] <MinusSeven> Is that saying all kde programs run in Windows?
[03:05] <lewix> i have serious issue to watch videos online
[03:05] <lewix> I just don't know how to fix it
[03:07] <Manad> hi. problem; gotta press each key for 2s before it is input. help.keyboard not problem,works fine in vt1.  kubuntu7.10
[03:09] <marx2k> hah... KDE4 is already unusable for me
[03:09] <marx2k> I deactivated using VSync and now I cant see anything (black screen)
[03:09] <marx2k> back to 3.5
[03:10] <ScottG> been there
[03:10] <ScottG> I don't think I touched the vsync setting but received a black screen upon boot once..
[03:10] <marx2k> is there any way to disable that? I mean, I cant get back into KDE4 since I cant see anything :0
[03:10] <hindol> anyone tried the kde4 remastered kubuntu?
[03:10] <ScottG> delete the .kde4 folder
[03:10] <marx2k> Hmmm...
[03:10] <ScottG> I did that and got back in
[03:10] <marx2k> hope that does it :)
[03:11] <marx2k> it seems like  it's a lot slower, graphically
[03:11] <marx2k> moving windows is glitchy
[03:11] <ScottG> not too bad here once I got rid of "fade" effects, don't care for those..
[03:12] <marx2k> Hm I wonder if thats whats doing it for me
[03:12] <ScottG> I hid the ugly desktop icons even after shrinking them..
[03:12] <marx2k> yeah.. looks like it needs some more work. Konqueror sure looks nice though
[03:13] <marx2k> I think I'll just totally disable desktop effects in KDE4 for now
[03:13] <ubuntu_> how do i edit xorg?
[03:13] <marx2k> go to a TTY Terminal and type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop (or gdm if youre in gnome)
[03:14] <ubuntu_> how do i edit xorg?
[03:14] <marx2k> go to a TTY Terminal and type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop (or gdm if youre in gnome)
[03:16] <marx2k> Heh... when I go to any "About KDE" Dialog in KDE 4 it still tells me in in 3.5.8
[03:17] <ScottG> got back into kde4?
[03:17] <marx2k> yep, thanks for the advice btw
[03:17] <ScottG> no problem
[03:18] <marx2k> Hm I wonder if theres a way to import my 3.5.8 settings into 4
[03:21] <adz21c> marx2k: i don't believe so, except for the kde3 apps you using inside kde4 (which happen to loose config set up at some point) you can copy the config into kde4
[03:21] <marx2k> Hm, I see. I also notice KDE4 has no screensavers? :)
[03:21] <adz21c> does for me?
[03:21] <marx2k> weird
[03:22] <adz21c> nothing new mine u
[03:22] <ScottG> might need to install those?
[03:22] <marx2k> Also, for some reason, aptitude is keeping these packages back: kcontrol kdebase-bin kdebase-kio-plugins kdesktop kdm kfind konqueror python-qt4
[03:22] <marx2k> I wonder what thats all about
[03:22] <adz21c> well those except python-qt4 are kde3 apps
[03:23] <adz21c> and usually means their dependencies are not met
[03:23] <marx2k> yes...fixing that now...
[03:24] <BrianV> hello all
[03:24] <BrianV> I'm having a slight issue
[03:24] <BrianV> I just upgraded to KDE 4.0
[03:24] <BrianV> however, sound is flaking
[03:24] <BrianV> some apps are giving me 'Can not initalize sound device: /dev/dsp busy'
[03:25] <adz21c> you know whats weird ... while in KDE 4 konqueror-kde3 seems to run a lot smoother than when i am in kde3 ....
[03:25] <Some_Person> If I install KDE4, is there an easy way to get rid of it? eg. one apt-get command
[03:26] <Some_Person> i currently have a regular GNOME ubuntu install
[03:26] <marx2k> kde4 overall seems to be a lot glitchier graphically than 3.5.8
[03:26] <[ka]killer> humm i just installed the kde4 packages, now i want to switch to try it out but i cant switch my session to kde4
[03:26] <adz21c> Some_Person: for you yea it shouldn't be hard
[03:26] <ScottG> nice to see all these Gnome users interested in KDE.. but I feel most will be disappointed..
[03:26] <Some_Person> adz21c: what command would it be?
[03:26] <adz21c> Some_Person: if you had KDE3 installed it was a bit of a bitch for me
[03:27] <[ka]killer> yah, if you like gnome your not going to like kde
[03:27] <marx2k> Do taskbar thumbnails show up for you all?
[03:27] <Dr_willis> Well they are gnome users.. they are used to low expectations. :)
[03:27] <Some_Person> Dr_willis: don't insult GNOME users!
[03:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:27] <[ka]killer> but really why cant i switch to kde4 from the login menu?
[03:27] <adz21c> Some_Person: well, no its not a single command, but u can just remove the kde4 apps from synaptic or whatever program tickles your fancy
[03:27] <ScottG> marx2k: they did when I enabled them, immediately disabled them :)
[03:28] <marx2k> ScottG: Weird. I am just seeing large grey blocks where the thumbnails should be
[03:28] <adz21c> [ka]killer: what happens when you try?
[03:28] <[ka]killer> nothing, in the menu it just displays KDE or failsafe
[03:28] <Some_Person> does the kde4 package (im using PPA by the way, as i dont think all the packages are in backports) depend on any non-kde4 packages?
[03:28] <ScottG> well.. not all of my apps had previews.. last.fm didn't.. firefox did
[03:28] <adz21c> [ka]killer: sure you got all the required packages?
[03:29] <[ka]killer> i let adept install the base
[03:29] <marx2k> Need to get 5303kB of archives. After unpacking 77.8kB will be used. <- Thats kind of funny
[03:29] <adz21c> [ka]killer: and you got them from ppa not the RC packages
[03:29] <[ka]killer> not sure, sudo apt-get install kdebase-kde4
[03:29] <adz21c> [ka]killer: what version does it say that is?
[03:29] <marx2k> brb
[03:29] <[ka]killer> i cant tell i cant start a session with it -_-
[03:30] <[ka]killer> in adept it says its the official release
[03:30] <adz21c> [ka]killer: in the package manager
[03:30] <adz21c> 4.0.0
[03:30] <adz21c> ?
[03:30] <[ka]killer> yes
[03:30] <adz21c> gutsy1~ppa?
[03:30] <[ka]killer> gusty1
[03:30] <[ka]killer> ~gusty1*
[03:30] <adz21c> thats from backports I am not sure if they are ready yet
[03:30] <marx2k> hah damnit... I think it keeps forgetting my settings (KDE4) when I log out/in
[03:31] <[ka]killer> which package should i have installed then
[03:31] <Some_Person> backports doesnt have all the needed packages, i can confirm that
[03:31] <[ka]killer> well what am i missing
[03:31] <ilya> anybody konw how to restore the main panel in KDE 4?
[03:31] <adz21c> ones with version 4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa
[03:32] <adz21c> [ka]killer: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php add the repo there
[03:32] <[ka]killer> hold on let me remove what i have first
[03:33] <marx2k> heh.. KLibido's panel tab is nearly all black.
[03:33] <DaSkreech> ScottG: disappointed?
[03:33] <marx2k> wonder why that is...
[03:34] <ubuntu_> !xorg
[03:34] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:35] <tangent3> heya, i have a PC which does not have internet access and is installed with ubuntu. i want to use kde4 on it. is it possible to use the kde4 livecd to upgrade ubuntu to kubuntu-kde4 without connecting to repositories?
[03:35] <ScottG> DaSkreech: Yes, I don't think it's as amazing as people checking it out will want it to be..
[03:35] <marx2k> I think the general consensus is wait for 4.1
[03:35] <ScottG> DaSkreech: In fact, I think it may as wrll be called RC3 :)
[03:35] <Makuseru> are there any how-to's  on how to make splash screens (start up screens) and login screens?
[03:36] <DaSkreech> ScottG: What point do you want it to be RCx++ ?
[03:36] <marx2k> one thing Im worrying about is kdesu is telling me that my root password is incorrect!
[03:36] <ScottG> I'm merely stating my opinion.. nothing more..
[03:37] <[ka]killer> wtf
[03:37] <tangent3> that bad huh :/
[03:37] <marx2k> is anyone else getting that weird error with kdesu in KDE4?
[03:37] <adz21c> [ka]killer: ?
[03:37] <marx2k> that tells you your password is incorrect?
[03:37] <adz21c> marx2k: i am getting the same thing
[03:37] <marx2k> ok
[03:37] <[ka]killer> its bitchignh that the repo is bad
[03:37] <draik> Hello all
[03:37] <adz21c> [ka]killer: in what way?
[03:37] <marx2k> killer: whats the error?
[03:37] <B2ASpirit> what are the pre-req files for amarok so it can play mp3s
[03:38] <draik> B2ASpirit: I think it's w32codecs
[03:38] <B2ASpirit> hmmmmmm have any idea where i can get them?
[03:39] <marx2k> I think its in the repos isnt it?
[03:39] <draik> repo
[03:39] <B2ASpirit> its weird the first time i installed kde4 on my mac book pro with amarok it worked immediately after install
[03:39] <B2ASpirit> oh ok
[03:39] <[ka]killer> got it
[03:39] <draik> marx2k: I believe so
[03:39] <[ka]killer> im looking for gusty1~ppa correct?
[03:39] <marx2k> Hmm, Gimp doesnt seem to be in my kicker menu
[03:39] <adz21c> [ka]killer: indeed
[03:39] <draik> I got a laptop (about 4 years old) for free
[03:39] <adz21c> [ka]killer: you might wanna disable backports, stop the mingling
[03:40] <draik> Turns out HDD burned out and owner thought it was dead (whole laptop)
[03:40] <draik> So
[03:40] <[ka]killer> which one is the backports
[03:40] <draik> I just got a laptop for $140 (price of new hdd)
[03:40] <marx2k> whoa... I didnt have gimp installed
[03:40] <marx2k> thats weird
[03:40] <draik> marx2k: You too?
[03:40] <marx2k> Hmmm I guess Kubuntu doesnt have that autoinstalled?
[03:41] <draik> marx2k: I thought I did something to remove it, but I guess not.
[03:41] <marx2k> nah I think its just not in there by default
[03:41] <draik> marx2k: I don't think that's it. I have been with Kubuntu since the initial release of 6.06. I've had gimp since then.
[03:41] <draik> This is recent
[03:41] <marx2k> Hmm.. well Im installing it via aptitude and I KNOW I didnt uninstall it...
[03:42] <marx2k> weeeeeeeeeeird
[03:42] <draik> very
[03:43] <draik> ..... I feel geeky now. I just took a look around and I saw my desktop (this one) my old laptop (running my IMs) and the new laptop (currently installing Kubuntu 7.10). It's all Kubuntu
[03:43] <draik> ")
[03:43] <draik> :)
[03:43] <marx2k> hahaha Konversation's 'About' diualog says Im using 3.5.8 KDE, while Konqueror for KDE4 says Im using 4.0
[03:43] <marx2k> I always thought it got that info from the system
[03:43] <DaSkreech> marx2k: They are both correct
[03:43] <[ka]killer> i cant find it -_-
[03:44] <marx2k> Oh, because one is using 3.5.8 libs and the other is using 4?
[03:44] <B2ASpirit> sweet i think i figured it out
[03:44] <DaSkreech> marx2k: Correct
[03:44] <DaSkreech> B2ASpirit: ^_^
[03:44] <B2ASpirit> it was libxine1-ffmpeg
[03:44] <marx2k> ok...KDE4 freaks me out... time to run back to 3.5.8.. brb
[03:44] <B2ASpirit> that was the file i needed
[03:44] <B2ASpirit> k
[03:44] <adz21c> lol
[03:45] <[ka]killer> lol
[03:45] <[ka]killer> restarting x brb
[03:45] <draik> DaSkreech: Hey there.
[03:45] <marx2k> Ohhh so much better :)
[03:45] <DaSkreech> Hey
[03:45] <DaSkreech> marx2k: :-D
[03:48] <DaSkreech> hi nikkiana
[03:48] <nikkiana> hi DaSkreech
[03:48] <marx2k> Ok, so far.. not a big fan of KDE4.. will wait for updates
[03:48] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[03:48] <DaSkreech> marx2k: What scared you?
[03:49] <biovore> hmm no sodipodi in kubuntu gusty?
[03:49] <marx2k> eh... just seems kind of buggy.. windows dont show up coirrectly (KLibido's tab was pitch black on the taskbar), seems a little slower (as in less smooth).. and kdesu is broken
[03:50] <draik> Other than Kooka, is there another app for scanners?
[03:50] <biovore> xsane
[03:51] <adz21c> marx2k: had you rebooted and logged straight into kde4? infact had you rebooted at all?
[03:52] <draik> biovore: Do you think I need the suggested packages?   xsane-doc hylafax-client mgetty-fax gv gocr
[03:53] <biovore> well I have used xsane here when I needed to scan.. works ok..
[03:57] <draik> biovore: xsane works great. Thank you. I have an HP Deskjet F4180
[03:57] <biovore> ok cool..
[03:58] <draik> Guy at the counter asked me, "Do you have the print out of your order?" I had already told him I'm there to pick up a printer and a laptop hdd. "No. Hence, 'I'm here for a printer'..."
[03:59] <Paddy_EIRE> How difficult would it be to install kde 4 on feisty?
[03:59] <draik> Can you?
[03:59] <adz21c> draik: yea but its people like my friend who owns wwwaaayyyy to many printers that makes him ask that :-)
[03:59] <biovore> you can.. but you have to build from source..
[03:59] <biovore> have to update dbus and some other components for kde4 to build on a feisty platform.. also need to install all the kdesdk and qt4 stuff
[04:00] <draik> adz21c: I know. From my POV, I was wrong because I assumed that he knew me and knows that I'm there because my old printer has already served its purpose.
[04:02] <std> hi, i just installed kde4 on my kubuntu installation and apt-get tells me now whenever i try to install something else: "E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)."
[04:02] <draik> Off-topic, sorry. I'm in crutches and wonder if anyone knows about the arm/wrist issues. What makes them go away the fastest?
[04:03] <draik> std: Have you done as it says?   sudo apt-get -f install
[04:03] <std> when i do this, it tells mee: "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[04:03] <std> why this, can anyone help?
[04:03] <biovore> probablem probably stems from changing /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:04] <std> draik: thanks for reoplying, sorry oversaw this
[04:04] <mith_> hi all!
[04:04] <mith_> are there ay way to get work my 5 buttons mouse?
[04:04] <biovore> yup
[04:04] <std> biovore: so do you think i should delete this addiotional line i had to add?
[04:04] <draik> What is that command to fix adept with fuser?
[04:04] <biovore> mith_: need to edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and tell it that the mouse has 5 buttons
[04:04] <draik> std: Yes
[04:05] <biovore> std: well if probably added a 3rd parity repo..
[04:05] <biovore> std: and installed some applications from it..
[04:05] <biovore> std: so you need to remove thoses applications and change the repos to the defualt ones..  or resolve the dependency
[04:05] <draik> std: I'm just curious. What did you add?
[04:05] <mith_> hmm thanks i will try it now
[04:06] <biovore> mith_: google on it..  I think linuxgamers has some articals on it..
[04:07] <std> draik: i added "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main" to get kde4 installed
[04:07] <biovore> I have that on my amd64 machine here.. isn't causing any problems yet..
[04:07] <biovore> but that is a 3rd parity repo
[04:07] <biovore> and hasn't been shown not to mess up dependencies..
[04:08] <std> biovore: i got this from http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[04:09] <std> my kubuntu version is: 7.10
[04:10] <std> did i screw it up by installing kde4? :o
[04:11] <biovore> well it could be something else..
[04:11] <biovore> what you try to install thats has the dependency problem
[04:12] <std> biovore: anything but specifically Tomboy
[04:13] <biovore> whats the dependicy is says its missing?
[04:14] <flamesage> Hello! :)
[04:14] <std> biovore: Depends: packagename but it is not goin to be installed and in the end it says "E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)."
[04:14] <biovore> whats packagename?
[04:14] <flamesage> Anyone.. alive?
[04:14] <flamesage> Oh no!  Your all dead :(
[04:15] <biovore> !ask
[04:15] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[04:15] <std> biovore: it's a long list
[04:16] <biovore> whats the first on the list..  tomboy looks like a gnome app so probably all the gnome crud..
[04:16] <biovore> and it needs mono apparently
[04:16] <flamesage> !help
[04:16] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[04:17] <std> biovore: starting with:kde-icons-oxygen, kdebase-runtime & kdeebase-data-kde4 are the first 3 packs returning "but it's not gonna be installed "
[04:18] <biovore> hmm those are not tomboy dependencies..
[04:18] <std> no, don't look like even tho it says "depends:"
[04:18] <biovore> std: you x86 kubuntu gusty?
[04:19] <std> x86 7.10 (gutsy?)
[04:19] <std> *gusty?
[04:19] <biovore> yup
[04:19] <segfault> hi :D, any news of the kde 4 bug that restart x server ?
[04:19] <biovore> that would be kde4 crashing..
[04:19] <mixed> hey, what gives!  how come I can't change user to root ?
[04:19] <biovore> there isn't a root password
[04:19] <biovore> sudo -s to become root
[04:20] <mixed> thank you, biovore
[04:20] <biovore> or sudo -i
[04:20] <segfault> or sudo su
[04:20] <segfault> :
[04:20] <segfault> :P
[04:20] <Dragnslcr> mixed- Ubuntu disables the root account by default. Learn to love sudo instead
[04:21] <segfault> damn my kde 4 restart my xserver everytime i try to run it
[04:21] <mixed> rofl Dragnscr, will do, sudo -i does the same effect
[04:21] <biovore> segfault: if kde4 crashes or quits out.. the xserver exits and goes back to the login screen..
[04:21] <segfault> yeah
[04:22] <segfault> i choose in kdm KDE4 y put my password, then ksplash , then xserver restart
[04:22] <flamesage> Does anyone know where I can find the KDE 4 wallpapers?
[04:22] <segfault> tecnosquad.org
[04:22] <biovore> kde-look.org
[04:22] <segfault> there
[04:25] <marx2k> why are kde themes so complicated to install?
[04:25] <segfault> because they rox :P
[04:25] <marx2k> hahaha why didnt I think of that :)
[04:25] <draik> marx2k: I've never had a problem.
[04:25] <segfault> ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix
[04:25] <segfault> ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`; make; sudo make install
[04:25] <biovore> std: I see those packages in the kde4 repo
[04:26] <marx2k> draik: Just having to compile....
[04:26] <biovore> because some kde themes are actualy a hole new widget system that need to built and compiled..
[04:26] <draik> Woohoo. New laptop now equiped with Kubuntu
[04:26] <drklabyrinth> How'd the wireless setup go for you?
[04:26] <segfault> rlz draik !
[04:26] <segfault> congrats
[04:27]  * draik bows
[04:27] <drklabyrinth> Anyone know how to change the graphics used in Ubuntu?
[04:27] <biovore> what graphic?
[04:27] <segfault> using debian? :x
[04:27] <segfault> xD
[04:27] <segfault> rofl
[04:27] <drklabyrinth> The one displayed during startup.
[04:28] <biovore> you before the login screen or the kde setup screen?
[04:28] <drklabyrinth> Login screen.
[04:28] <draik> drklabyrinth: Which one? The bar moving back and forth or the startup (bootsplash)?
[04:28] <drklabyrinth> The bar.
[04:28] <draik> Login or the bar?
[04:29] <draik> Login is easy
[04:29] <drklabyrinth> I'm looking to change the bar.
[04:29] <draik> I'm not sure about the bar. I haven't done that one yet. I think I tried and failed
[04:29] <biovore> bar?
[04:29] <drklabyrinth> The graphic above the bar.
[04:29] <biovore> you mean after you login..
[04:29] <bazhang> draik: hope you feel better soon
[04:29] <draik> bazhang: Right now, my left foot feels that its swollen beyond what is to fit in the cast
[04:30] <drklabyrinth> When Ubuntu is loading, before the login prompt.
[04:30] <draik> bazhang: Thanks. I have been hoping the same since the start of this issue :)
[04:30] <mixed> anyone here has quake III?  I just finished installing quake III and I don't have sound :-(
[04:30] <bazhang> sorry to hear that draik wish you well
[04:31] <drklabyrinth> ugh, lemme brb, I'll have to find where that graphic takes place.
[04:33] <shadowh511> hello
[04:33] <shadowh511> KDE4 rocks
[04:33] <grul> valid point
[04:34] <shadowh511> but kmix dosen't
[04:34] <segfault2k> lol
[04:34] <segfault2k> xD
[04:34] <sMonk> Hello everyone
[04:34] <segfault2k> kde 4.1 will rock more :B
[04:34] <segfault2k> sMonk, hi d00d :B
[04:35] <shadowh511> what do you guys think about memaker
[04:35] <sMonk> nothing much. you?
[04:35] <drklabyrinth> Ok, when the system is starting, there appears a bar, this same graphic shows up during shutdown.
[04:35] <drklabyrinth> Andy ideas how to change that "Ubuntu" graphic?
[04:35] <shadowh511> sudo apt-get install startupmanager
[04:36] <mixed> anyone know the path to modprobe.conf?
[04:36] <shadowh511> "/etc/modprobe.conf'
[04:37] <badegg> finder
 what do you guys think about memaker <-- the avatar creator thing?
[04:37] <mixed> shadowh511, I don't have a modprobe.conf in "/etc"
[04:37] <shadowh511> yes segfault2k
[04:37] <ilya> hi ppl
[04:38] <shadowh511> oh, its in /etc/modprobe.d
[04:38] <shadowh511> srry 4 the null info
[04:38] <drklabyrinth> shadowh511 that package doesn't exist
[04:38] <shadowh511> enable universe
[04:39] <segfault2k> the "live" kde4 kubuntu iso, is installabe ?
[04:39] <segfault2k> installable?
[04:39] <ilya> I have a probleb in KDE 4... the main panel has disappeared after rebooting
[04:40] <ilya> and I don't know how to get it back
[04:40] <corinth> I have a microsoft laser mouse 8000. How can I configure it so I can use me back/forward buttons?
[04:40] <msl> Does anyone know if kde4 saves its config information to ~/.kde or if it will save config info to .kde4 or similar
[04:40] <segfault2k> ~/.kde4
[04:41] <msl> thanks segfault2k
[04:41] <segfault2k> in kubuntu at least
[04:41] <shadowh511> yo
[04:41] <segfault2k> i think if u compile it from source, u'll have a ~/.kde thing :B
[04:42] <std> does anyone know if i can add something like a "quick launcher" in kde4 pnel (known from 3.5.x)
[04:44] <draik> Where can I get more user icons?
[04:44] <draik> I think I've overused Daemon
[04:44] <shadowh511> draik: the interweb
[04:44] <draik> shadowh511: Got a site?
[04:44] <shadowh511> google
[04:45] <lewix> how do I restart artsd
[04:45] <draik> shadowh511: kde-look doesn't have any and I'm not sure what to "google".
[04:46] <shadowh511> find the procedd id for it and then type in 'sudo kill -1 <pid>'
[04:46] <shadowh511> *process
[04:46] <shadowh511> draik: google for what you want (ie puppies or nuclear explosions
[04:47] <sMonk> draik: Icons for what? KDE4 user icons? or what?
[04:47] <draik> shadowh511: Doesn't it have to be a certain size or something? I figured there was a site full of different images to use.
[04:47] <draik> sMonk: Login icons for usernames. It's not KDE4 yet.
[04:47] <shadowh511> use svg icons if you are paranoid
[04:48] <shadowh511> try openclipart.org
[04:48] <sMonk> Ah ok
[04:48] <sMonk> that helps
[04:49] <shadowh511> they /join #memaker
[04:49] <marx2k> what package contains kde3 headers?
[04:50] <shadowh511> i like kde and gnome and xfce
[04:51] <shadowh511> marx2k: i have no clue, try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:52] <badegg> kde and gnome? U are caze
[04:52] <biovore> and xfce4
[04:53] <holycow> i accidentally panned one of the desktops 3/4rs off screen ... how do i reset that or 'pan' back?
[04:53] <marx2k> shadowh511: Im not sure if that will do it
[04:54] <marx2k> Im looking specifically for build headers to build QTCurve theme
[04:54] <shadowh511> try kde4, it does that by itself
[04:55] <std> cya
[04:55] <holycow> where in .kde4 can i play with the panel settings?
[04:56] <adz21c> holycow: .kde/share/config/plasma-appletrc
[04:56] <adz21c> look for the one with plugin=panel
[04:56] <holycow> danke
[04:56] <adz21c> np
[04:57] <corinth> Anyone know of a utility t oconfigure extra mouse buttons, or is there a way to do this through kde alone?
[04:57] <corinth> *to configure
[04:58] <adz21c> corinth: i think you can do it in kde3 via systemsettings
[04:58] <shadowh511> you can in compiz, i know that
[04:58] <drklabyrinth> Synaptic is evil, I feel like a kid at a candy store.
[04:58] <shadowh511> true
[04:58] <holycow> you won't live long enough to try everything drklabyrinth
[04:58] <drklabyrinth> Anyone else feel like that?  This is my first time using Ubuntu, I'm awestruck.
[04:59] <shadowh511> what do you use then?
[04:59] <holycow> everyone does when they first discover that
[04:59] <drklabyrinth> I used to use MS.
[04:59] <mixed> how do you check who's in the "audio" group?
[04:59] <shadowh511> lol
[04:59] <corinth> adz21c: Hmm. Where in System Settings would I find that?
[05:00] <holycow> shadowh511: welcome to the dark side
[05:00] <shadowh511> get kde by typing sudo apt-get install kde4-base
[05:00] <adz21c> corinth: just looked you can't ... i distinctly remember using something once where i could choose the type of mouse and keyboard I have
[05:00] <drklabyrinth> i just wish that I could get my keyboard to work with Amarok.
[05:00] <shadowh511> i had vista, but zeroed it out and installed ubuntu cuz it took 15 min to boot and login, and was SLOW
[05:01] <drklabyrinth> There's so many issues with Vista.
[05:01] <drklabyrinth> Clean install on a Dell XPS 420.
[05:01] <msl> mixed: sudo grep audio /etc/group
[05:01] <drklabyrinth> And it was slow, and it always crashed.
[05:01] <msl> mixed: actually you don't need the sudo
[05:02] <mixed> thanks , msl
[05:02] <corinth> There's nothing wrong with Vista besides the principles and practices it's built on. I had no problems at all with Vista. Ran fast and looked great. I just switched to Kubuntu because I don't like close-source systems.
[05:03] <mixed> does anyone know if "/dev/dsp" should be have read/write permissions for everyone?
[05:03] <drklabyrinth> 'eh, corinth, if I didn't have issues with it, I would have probably never made the jump.
[05:03] <adz21c> corinth: agreed, well there were some user interface stuff that annoyed me but beyond that I haven't had many problems with it
[05:03] <corinth> :-P
[05:03] <drklabyrinth> How long before you don't have to google frantically for every little thing you want to do?
[05:05] <adz21c> drklabyrinth: depends what kinda stuff u want to do
[05:06] <drklabyrinth> I'm still not..."1337" (God I hate that term), but I consider myself adept when it comes to security.
[05:06] <drklabyrinth> That is what I enjoy.
[05:07] <drklabyrinth> It's what I'll be going to school for in a few months too.
[05:07] <adz21c> uni/college course?
[05:07] <drklabyrinth> Yeah.
[05:07] <drklabyrinth> I'm getting my ISS degree.
[05:07] <adz21c> iss?
[05:07] <drklabyrinth> Information systems security.
[05:08] <adz21c> ok, thats what i thought just dbl checking lol
[05:08] <drklabyrinth> Anyone ever use Nessus?  Is it comparable to Nmap?
[05:08] <holycow> how is plasma restarted?
[05:08] <adz21c> holycow: should restart itself
[05:09] <drklabyrinth> I see that Nmap has a GUI, that's unfortunate.
[05:10] <drklabyrinth> With GUI's for nmap, and things like metasploit...the world has gone to the skiddies.
[05:11] <msl> drklabyrinth: Nessus will check for vulnerabilities, nmap isn't quite so fancy
[05:13] <marx2k> *sigh* kde...
[05:17] <awag22> don't like kde 4?
[05:18] <crimsun> I think it's pretty nice for a glimpse.
[05:18] <crimsun> Once more apps are ported over, it's likely to kick the junk out of gnome.
[05:19] <awag22> i'm personally debating switching to gnome
[05:19] <corinth> KDE won't ever kick the junk out of gnome until it works as well out of the box as gnome does. Gnome generally needs little configuration.
[05:19] <awag22> i like kde better, but kde crashes on me all the time for some reason
[05:19] <awag22> and today it totally froze
[05:19] <awag22> had to do a hard reboot
[05:19] <drklabyrinth> What's the difference between KDE and GNOME?
[05:19] <awag22> and fsck took like 1.5 hours to fix all the problems that resulted
[05:20] <Daisuke_Ido> crimsun: that's like saying "once the bugs are worked out of vista, it's likely to kick the junk out of xp" - while it's probably true, it's entirely speculative
[05:20] <awag22> hehe
[05:20] <corinth> KDE is highly configurable, but most things *need* configuration. Gnome is simpler, not as configurable, but tends to work better out of the box.
[05:20] <Daisuke_Ido> i would like kde 4 to be the best out there, but as a .0 release, it isn't happening.  now, come 4.1, i will probably have to revise that statement :)
[05:21] <drklabyrinth> I see, so it's just a matter of preference, as to how much control you want over your box?
[05:21] <crimsun> Daisuke_Ido: I care not whether it's speculation, because I fully intend to help make it happen.
[05:21] <adz21c> well they said .0 is only for early adopters
[05:21] <Daisuke_Ido> crimsun: bravo :D
[05:21] <Daisuke_Ido> that is the best possible comeback.
[05:22] <drklabyrinth> I always thought that the best possible comeback was "your mom"
[05:22] <corinth> drklabyrinth: No, not about control exactly
[05:22] <Daisuke_Ido> and in other awesome news, open simcity.
[05:22] <drklabyrinth> Oh wow, the paths are already done for you.
[05:22] <drklabyrinth> :o
[05:22] <corinth> drklabyrinth: It has drawbacks on both sides
[05:22] <drklabyrinth> YOU CAN OPEN FIREFOX FROM A TERMINAL!
[05:23] <drklabyrinth> That's wicked.
[05:23] <awag22> does anyone else have semi-regular full system freezes (can't even restart with alt+sysrq+b) in kde?
[05:23] <awag22> it happens for no real apparent reason
[05:23] <adz21c> drklabyrinth: you can open anything from terminal
[05:23] <drklabyrinth> ...you can open ANYTHING with a terminal?????
[05:23] <corinth> drklabyrinth: Choose more configuration, you'll need it. Choose simplicity, you won't be able to configure as much as you'd like, but it will probably work without it.
[05:23] <Daisuke_Ido> is that what that sysrq key is for?
[05:23] <Daisuke_Ido> neat.
[05:23] <Daisuke_Ido> it's true, you learn something new every day
[05:24] <drklabyrinth> Wow, I shoulda switched to *nix when I first started playing with computers.
[05:24] <adz21c> drklabyrinth: infact thats a good way to find out some errors as you will find most apps output info to terminal, sometimes more info than u get from dialogues
[05:24] <snarkster> you can open most things in a cmd prompt on windblows but why would you even run windows
[05:24] <drklabyrinth> The paths are way to long.
[05:24] <awag22> Daisuke_Ido: http://fosswire.com/2007/09/08/fix-a-frozen-system-with-the-magic-sysrq-keys/  < this is where i found out about that
[05:25] <Daisuke_Ido> snarkster: way to be mature about the OS debate
[05:25] <snarkster> oh im mature.. lol just poking fun
[05:25] <awag22> lol
[05:25] <snarkster> Please dont ever take me too serious
[05:25] <Daisuke_Ido> ...hence the name?
[05:25] <holycow> *ooo* found the panel item
[05:26] <holycow> brb
[05:26] <drklabyrinth> There's a ton of cool stuff here.
[05:26] <drklabyrinth> I'm gonna go try WINE, I'll bbl.
[05:26]  * drklabyrinth is doing God knows who.
[05:26] <awag22> i'm starting to think that an unstable version of amarok might be part of my system freeze problem, i'd say it's running about 75% of the time my system dies
[05:27] <drklabyrinth> awag22: did you just install a version of Ubuntu?
[05:27] <draik> How do I get "dselect" if it has no candidates?
[05:27] <awag22> drklabyrinth: no
[05:27] <drklabyrinth> My system always crashed when I started it until I let it run .mp3's via the terminal.
[05:27] <drklabyrinth> Mmm, well, though I might be able to help.
[05:27] <awag22> hmm
[05:32] <mark__> i have a "Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0)" but for some reason sound isnt working
[05:32] <mark__> no mixer?
[05:33] <mark__> any ideas?
[05:41] <corinth> Kaffeine won't play my DVDs. Help?
[05:41] <mark__> nm i got it
[05:44] <reaper> hello
[05:45] <mark__> how do i set the settings for kompmgr?
[05:47] <draik> I'm trying to get everything installed from what I have on this desktop to the new laptop
[05:47] <draik> I did "dpkg --get-selections < file.txt" on the desktop
[05:47] <draik> On the new laptop, I have done the following...
[05:47] <draik> dpkg --set-selections < file.txt
[05:48] <draik> sudo dselect update
[05:48] <draik> sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade
[05:48] <draik> When I run the last command, I get "E: Invalid operation dselect"
[05:48] <draik> Is there an alternative
[05:49] <draik> Whoopsie. On the desktop, it was "dpkg --get-selections > file.txt" I had the carat facing the wrong way in Konversation
[05:50] <Dr_willis> Hmm. I  normally use a different set of commands.
[05:50] <draik> Sorry, got it
[05:50] <draik> Dr_willis: What do you use?
[05:51] <Dr_willis> sudo dpkg --get-selections | grep '[[:space:]]install$' | awk '{print $1}' > package_list
[05:51] <Dr_willis> and then
[05:51] <Dr_willis> cat package_list | xargs sudo apt-get install  --assume-yes --force-yes
[05:51] <draik> Pretty.
[05:51] <draik> Let me try that.
[05:51] <draik> Thank you.
[05:51] <Dr_willis> be sure you really want all the packages on box1, installed on 2.
[05:52] <Dr_willis> ya dont need nvidia for example on an ati box. :)
[05:52] <draik> I do
[05:52] <draik> Uh-oh. Thanks for that reminder
[05:52] <draik> That's an actual issue I'm going to have
[05:52] <draik> Desktop is nVidia; laptop is ATI
[05:52] <draik> How do I go around that?
[05:53] <Dr_willis> edit the text file :)
[05:53] <draik> That's what I thought. Thanks
[05:54] <draik> Thanks Dr_willis. The file produced is exactly what I've wanted all along.
[05:56] <Makuseru> are there any how-to's  on how to make splash screens (start up screens) and login screens?
[05:57] <draik> Makuseru: kde-look.org has quite a few to use. I'm sure they have a how-to on making them as they do for applying them.
[05:57] <corinth> I want to be able to remote from my windows laptop to my linux desktop. How can I do this?
[05:58] <Makuseru> draik: ive seen the how to install them, but never how to make them
[05:59] <draik> Makuseru: google.com/linux    maybe?
[05:59] <draik> Dr_willis: Seems that what I want to install has zero candidates
[06:00] <Makuseru> draik: tried that
[06:00] <draik> a2mp3 and abcde don't seem to have candidates
[06:01] <draik> Nevermind
[06:01] <draik> For some strange reason, the install commented all of the repos
[06:04] <mixed> anyone knows how to start the archive manager using the command line?
[06:04] <DrVince> How do I handle .cpk files?
[06:05] <mixed> how do I change permissions so that I can write to a file?
[06:05] <draik> Dr_willis: Doesn't seem to work
[06:05] <draik> No candidates
[06:05] <DrVince> mixed, see chmod
[06:06] <Dr_willis> Hmm.
[06:06] <ardchoille> mixed: If it's a system file, see !sudo
[06:06] <Dr_willis> draik,  not sure what you are doing.. it may be theres a issue with my commands. :0 i aint used them in ages.
[06:06] <biovore> DrVince: .cpk files..  SEGA video?
[06:06] <draik> Oh well. Thanks for the help
[06:07] <DrVince> biovore: no, it seems a package of some kind
[06:07] <Dr_willis> I was thinking htere was some other option i needed at the end of the import line.
[06:07] <mixed> ardchoille, im trying to edit an archived file but I have to change the permisssions
[06:07] <mixed> eeeeeekkkkkkkkkkkk
[06:07] <Dr_willis> edit an archived file?
[06:07] <ardchoille> mixed: Where is that file? In your $HOME?
[06:07] <biovore> DrVince: what does file <filename> say it is?
[06:08] <mixed> ardchoille, it's an archive file for quake, i'ts under /usr/local/games, I have to switch permissions so that I can erase a file
[06:08] <draik> ardchoille: sudo chmod 777 does wonders ;)
[06:08] <Dr_willis> draik,  i use those 2 commands and they seem to work here. be sure your sources.list is identicalon both machines.. and updated
[06:08] <mixed> draik, just it does but then how would I change it back! LoL
[06:08] <draik> They are
[06:08] <Some_Person> I have a GNOME/KDE4 system, and I want to hide all the KDE4 apps in GNOME and hide the GNOME apps in KDE4. How can I do this?
[06:09] <DrVince> biovore: It said POSIX tar archive (GNU)  so I tar xvf it and it worked.  Thanks a bunch
[06:09] <ardchoille> draik: yes, it does, but it's ot a good idea to open up a system file like that
[06:09] <Dr_willis> Some_Person,  fire up the menu editor and get editing i think.. Not very fun eh? :(
[06:09] <mixed> draik, these are the current permissions: -r-xr-xr-x
[06:09] <mixed> ardchoille, it's not a system file but thanks for the warning!
[06:09] <biovore> DrVince: I did some looking.. look like novell has some system that puts packages in .cpk files
[06:09] <Dr_willis> mixed,  whats the exact file name anyway? and why would it be executable?
[06:09] <ardchoille> mixed: Ah, ok
[06:09] <Some_Person> Dr_willis: When I hide them manually in GNOME, they also hide in KDE4 :(
[06:10] <Dr_willis> Sounds like the permissions may be all messed up.
[06:10] <Dr_willis> Some_Person,  Yep.. thats an issue
[06:10] <mixed> Dr_Willis, it doesnt have to be executable, just editable, the name is pak0.pk3
[06:10] <Some_Person> Dr_willis: damnit
[06:10] <Dr_willis> mixed,  you mean 'writeable' and i dont know why it even needs to be writeable.
[06:11] <Dr_willis> chmod +w thefilename    should make it writeable for the current user.
[06:11] <Dr_willis> I cant imagine why the quake game needs to write to one of the pak files.
[06:11] <mixed> Dr_Willis, it needs to be writable because I want it to be writable, just for the heck of it, lets see what happens, and it is not a system file so it's all good
[06:11] <Some_Person> Dr_willis: any workarounds?
[06:11] <DrVince> biovore: yeah, part of Zen or something
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Some_Person,  no idea. Not heard of any so far since ive been hanging in here.
[06:11] <Some_Person> Dr_willis: damnit
[06:11] <mixed> Dr_Willis, quake isn't going to write on it, i'm going to write on it LoL
[06:12] <Dr_willis> Some_Person,  the Huge # of menu items is getting to be an issue in kde/gnome/windows/and so forth. :(
[06:12] <Dr_willis> mixed,  then chmod +w it.
[06:12] <Some_Person> at least windows added scrollbars
[06:12] <Dr_willis> I tend to just use katapult, and rarely use the menus
[06:12] <Some_Person> but i dont want kde apps ill never use in gnome appearing
[06:13] <mixed> Dr_Willis, thanks for the input, I cheated and went with 777 LoL
[06:13] <Dr_willis> vista has that search thing also.
[06:13] <mixed> i hate vista!
[06:13] <Dr_willis> mixed,   you really should learn what permissions are and how they work in linux.
[06:13] <mixed> Dr_willis, I think i should, im quite rusty
[06:14] <Dr_willis>  chmod +w     w=writeable.. hard to rember? :)
[06:14] <Dr_willis> I never can rember the #'s    i
[06:17] <draik> x is eXecutable
[06:18] <draik> What is a?
[06:18] <draik> chmod a+x filename.sh
[06:18] <mixed> Dr_wililis, there are 3 permissions, [everyone][group][user] --> i get those confused, anyway, that's not a good topic for here but thanks anyway, I appreciate your input
[06:19] <ardchoille> draik: a = all (owner, group, and others)
[06:19] <draik> Thanks ardchoille
[06:19] <mixed> Dr_willis, and when I learned about chmod I used to use the numbers
[06:21] <draik> mixed: I understand that the numbers go from binary (for everyone, group, user) then get converted to decimal then entered as the triple digit numbers. I forgot the purpose to the fourth number.
[06:22] <draik> s/understand/understood
[06:22] <Some_Person> I am so confused with KDE4
[06:23] <Some_Person> Where the hell is kcontrol and how the hell do i get it?
[06:23] <DreadKnight> Some_Person: there is no such thing in kde4
[06:23] <ardchoille> Some_Person: kcontrol is gone in kde4, replaced with system settings
[06:23] <Some_Person> System Settings = Crippled KControl
[06:24] <biovore> I don't think there is a kcontrol for kde4...
[06:24] <hsystemx> kde 4 is rc2?
[06:24] <hsystemx> right?
[06:24] <mixed> draik, ill reesearch that later, i just got sound on Quake III working, woo hooo thank you all for your help, laterz
[06:24] <draik> bye mixed
[06:25] <Some_Person> KDE4 is stable and final
[06:25] <Dr_willis> ive seen some threads discuss kcontroll vs systemsettings..
[06:25] <Dr_willis> I dont find the current release of kde4 stable. :)
[06:25] <Some_Person> true, but its called stable
[06:25] <ardchoille> Some_Person: And it's not final :)
[06:25] <hsystemx> :P
[06:25] <Cam1223> does anyone know what "could not start kdeinit4" means????
[06:26] <Some_Person> And what is this KPackage shit? how do i get a new package with it?
[06:26] <Dr_willis> thers a buglet with kpackage. it asks for th ROOT user password. not the sudo password
[06:26] <Dr_willis> so you need to run it with kdesudo kpackage,
[06:26] <ardchoille> !language | Some_Person
[06:26] <ubotu> Some_Person: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[06:26] <Dr_willis> unless you have a root password set..
[06:27] <abbe> hi channel
[06:27] <Some_Person> i did set a root pass, and it runs
[06:27] <msl> hello abbe
[06:27] <Some_Person> but it only lists installed packages
[06:27] <abbe> running KDE4 in kubuntu, using guidelines at kubuntu.org
[06:27] <abbe> hi msl
[06:27] <Cam1223> grr mine doesent run :(
[06:27] <Some_Person> I highly preferred Adept
[06:27] <abbe> I noticed after adding that PPA repository, that some packages can be updated, like Amarok, should I update them from that PPA, hmm...?
[06:27] <Dr_willis> I perfer synaptic. :)
[06:28] <intelikey> apt
[06:28] <Some_Person> Also, how do I integrate GNOME apps like i could in KDE3?
[06:28] <abbe> Also I noticed a problem in Konqueror 4, I'm not able to use Cookies
[06:28] <abbe> when I use Settings->Configure Konqueror to change my cookies settings, I get this: Unable to start cookie handler service. You'll not be able to manage the cookies that're store on your computer.
[06:28] <DreadKnight> abbe: yeah... upgrade...
[06:29] <msl> cd
[06:29] <DreadKnight> abbe: i had that cookie issue too, let me check again
[06:29] <abbe> DreadKnight: thanks
[06:29] <Some_Person> im thinking KDE4 sucks
[06:29] <Dr_willis> Then dont use it i guess. :)
[06:30] <DreadKnight> abbe: it works fine now, try upgrading..
[06:30] <abbe> DreadKnight: will I be able to switch to KDE stuff (in Ubuntu repositories, when its considered stable for Gutsy users, hmm...)
[06:30] <Dr_willis> its a work in progress.. like many things. its got rough spots.
[06:30] <abbe> DreadKnight: okay, I'm doing an upgrade. thanks
[06:31] <Cam1223> u know what forget kde4, 3 works fine
[06:31] <hsystemx> hehe i hate to upgrade distributions, they always fail LOL.
[06:31] <DreadKnight> wheren't there supposed to be some new cursor set?
[06:32] <Some_Person> How do I change the desktop folder?
[06:33] <Dr_willis> Some_Person,  change it to what?
[06:33] <Some_Person> another folder
[06:33] <Dr_willis> You could just link /home/user/Desktop ---> other place
[06:33] <Dr_willis> Or visa-versa
[06:33] <Some_Person> no, i need ~/Desktop as it is for GNOME
[06:33] <intelikey> hsystemx yeah seems that about the time they totally abandon a distro/release it's generaly suitable for common use.
[06:33] <Some_Person> i want 2 desktops, it was easy in KControl in KDE3
[06:34] <Dr_willis> You want KDE to have a difrerent Desktop dir then Gnome.. is what you are saying.
[06:34] <Some_Person> yes
[06:35]  * drklabyrinth is doing God knows who.
[06:35]  * drklabyrinth is done doing God knows who.
[06:35] <hsystemx> !
[06:35] <drklabyrinth> Ahhh, 'tis good to be back.
[06:35] <drklabyrinth> WINE rocks my socks.
[06:35] <hsystemx> hahaha
[06:35] <Some_Person> WINE is horrible
[06:35] <drklabyrinth> I just got done playing Doom.
[06:36] <drklabyrinth> I haven't played Doom in years.
[06:36] <ardchoille> !ot
[06:36] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:36] <biovore> I think there is a linux port of doom
[06:36] <Dr_willis> You do relize there are linxu native ports of DOOM now? wine is not needed.
[06:36] <intelikey> wine is wine is not an emulator
[06:36] <biovore> same with all the quakes
[06:36] <Dr_willis> Theres several improved spinoffs of doom. :)
[06:36] <biovore> I think most of ID's games have linux ports
[06:36] <Dr_willis> !find doom
[06:36] <ubotu> Found: deutex, freedoom, kdoomsday, lxdoom, lxdoom-sndserv (and 5 others)
[06:37] <hsystemx> who want to play dooms, with all the new games that are coming to the market right now ... lol.
[06:37] <wastedfluid> hey guys; in kde4, i enabled a desktop effect of "sharpening" windows.. and my screen went black.  im on w/ failsafe... is there a config file to reset those desktop effectsts?
[06:37] <drklabyrinth> Old school is where it's at.
[06:37] <intelikey> hsystemx what's doom ?
[06:37] <intelikey> heh.
[06:38] <Some_Person> So you're telling my my KDE desktop is stuck at ~/Desktop?
[06:38] <drklabyrinth> Doom is an old school "3d" game.
[06:39] <hsystemx> at least doom 3 LOL...
[06:39] <intelikey> wastedfluid you can rm -r ~/.kde4   and reset it that way   but that resets all to default
[06:39] <wastedfluid> well
[06:39] <wastedfluid> that's not a big deal
[06:39] <wastedfluid> i'll just have to copy a startup file
[06:40] <ardchoille> Some_Person: systemsettings > About Me > Paths
[06:40] <Some_Person> thank you
[06:40] <ardchoille> yw
[06:40] <se7en> someone got conky running on kde4 without crashing kde4?
[06:41] <intelikey> that is one krazy place to put that adjustment ardchoille ;/
[06:41] <hsystemx> lol kde 3.5 still better than kde4 ...
[06:41] <Some_Person> What about IRC? I'm using XChat right now. What does KDE4 have to offer?
[06:43] <Some_Person> And I need a package manager, not a currently-installed-packages-lister
[06:43] <ardchoille> Some_Person: Or "kcmshell desktoppath" . kcmshell --list for more odules :)
[06:46] <intelikey> 4>odules  ???
[06:47] <ardchoille> modules
[06:47] <kadam> hi everyone, I'm trying to get dual display set up... Just a simple mirrored display.  I can get it working just fine with a secondary monitor, but the projectors at school don't even 'get a signal'.  Does anyone know how I can insure the functionality of the school projectors? I need to make a presentation this coming Monday...  I can't really test the functionality until the time has come... I'm using KDe 4.0 and a Macbook; Intel i850,
[06:47] <kadam> I believe; not sure ont hat... :/
[06:49] <Some_Person> KDE4 won't recognise the new dekstop path
[06:50] <Some_Person> i logged off/on and got the same one
[06:51] <sinthetek> anyone know how to disable aiglx extensions from the prompt?
[06:53] <Some_Person> god, i have a feeling KDE4, with its confusity, will not do very well
[06:53] <drklabyrinth> Give it some time.
[06:53] <drklabyrinth> I've been ghosting this channel for a few hours.
[06:54] <drklabyrinth> Word on the block is that .0 is going to be crap.
[06:54] <Some_Person> ok
[06:54] <drklabyrinth> But if you think about it, Firefox .0 was crap too.
[06:54] <drklabyrinth> And look at it today.
[06:54] <Some_Person> but for now i'm gonna do "sudo apt-get --purge autoremove kde4"
[06:54] <sinthetek> trying to resolve this issue that occurs whenever someone logs via kdm: AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x24. says that a bunch of times for 0x22-0x2d
[06:54] <Some_Person> you mean Phoenix .0
[06:55] <sinthetek> for the record, didn't try to install kde4, i just tried a regular update/upgrade yesterday and it started
[06:55] <Some_Person> kde4 is bad right now, but it probably will get better
[06:57] <sinthetek> also, i noticed xorg.conf shows i'm using via driver, but i heard openchrome is supposed to be bettr for our s3 unichrome. i installed the openchrome package but it didn't create an openchrome_drv.so or anything (though aptitude show pkgname stated it should be named and referred to as openchrome to mitigate potential via/openchrome conflicts)
[07:00] <sinthetek> furthermore, after grepping recursively several times i cannot find any mention of 3d rendering modules/extensions anywhere in /etc/X11
[07:07] <intelikey> i think i liked a dubble nat better than a single bridged lan.  and i'm sure that the dubble security was a plus rather than a minus.
[07:10] <sinthetek> intelikey: seems like that would get kinda hard to maintain if you ever have to worry about opening services or traffic shoping though
[07:10] <sinthetek> shaping*
[07:10] <sinthetek> (not that i have much experience with either :P)
[07:12] <intelikey> yeah i'm no network admin.   and all but network illiterate but, i did manage to setup two lan's and have them share one inet connection.    but was having trouble accessing lan1 form lan0 so i made it all one and bridged them.
[07:13] <intelikey> now the file server is accessable to all as well as the inet.    i kinda need someone to portmap me and see if i left any holes open.
[07:13] <shadowh511> which ip?
[07:14] <intelikey> inet addr:4.253.68.39  P-t-P:63.215.29.19
[07:14] <biovore> ppp connection?
[07:14] <shadowh511> forgot how to portmap
[07:15] <serrucho> hi everyone
[07:15] <intelikey> biovore yes
[07:15] <msl> hello serrucho
[07:15] <serrucho> can somebody help me to fix my youtube videos ( or internet videos )
[07:16] <ardchoille> !flash | serrucho
[07:16] <ubotu> serrucho: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[07:16] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[07:16] <shadowh511> that's a hard thing to do serrucho,
[07:16] <intelikey> brb
[07:16] <serrucho> really?
[07:17] <serrucho> i`ll try that
[07:17] <serrucho> flash
[07:17] <serrucho> so i just need to install the flash
[07:17] <biovore> intelikey: Looks good.. tcp scan only show port 53 open..
[07:18] <ardchoille> serrucho: It's currently broken
[07:18] <xptical> hi all
[07:18] <msl> if only port 53 is open it sounds as though you may be scanning the ISP side (or they have a NAT going)
[07:18] <xptical> running kubuntu on a laptop
[07:19] <xptical> and at startup, i can't see anything before the login screen
[07:19] <xptical> already tried vga=769 and still no joy
[07:19] <xptical> any ideas?
[07:20] <biovore> intelikey: port 22 (Telnet) shows up on the 63.215 ip
[07:21] <biovore> err port 23 I mean
[07:21] <intelikey> back.
[07:21] <intelikey> port 23 ???  hmmm
[07:22] <shadowh511> xptical: which version?
[07:23] <intelikey> biovore that has to be on the isp.   i'm not running any telnet services on the gateway.
[07:23] <shadowh511> xptical, which version of kubuntu are you running?
[07:23] <xptical> the latest stable
[07:23] <xptical> 7.10?
[07:23] <shadowh511> yeah, you need to press Alt and then f2
[07:24] <xptical> Ubuntu 7.10, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic
[07:24] <xptical> ??
[07:24] <xptical> I get a blank screen
[07:24] <xptical> it's like the VGA mode is all jacked
[07:24] <intelikey> biovore oh and the 63.215 is the isp end of the ppp  so yeah.   i wish they would close that hole   but it's not in my reach.
[07:24] <shadowh511> then type the following in the box:
[07:24] <shadowh511> sudo apt-get install startupmanager
[07:24] <xptical> ctrl+alt+f2 is blank
[07:25] <intelikey> ps thankyou for the check.
[07:25] <xptical> and ctrl+alt+f7 is the KDE screen
[07:25] <intelikey> now stop trying to crack my isp.
[07:25] <intelikey> ;/
[07:25] <xptical> it's like as soon as I select the kernel from GRUB, I get nothing till KDE starts
[07:26] <shadowh511> then you have a WEIRD laptop
[07:26] <biovore> intelikey: well it dosn't respond.. but does show up to syn pings..  so its not really a problem
[07:26] <xptical> i know
[07:26] <xptical> ATI chipset
[07:26] <serrucho> so there no way that i can run videos right now on the internet?
[07:26] <xptical> it worked fine on 6ish
[07:26] <xptical> but on 7ish, it's crap
[07:26] <shadowh511> you need to install the ati drivers, google it
[07:26] <xptical> already done
[07:27] <intelikey> xptical what you are describing is kernel frame buffering not working.  boot with nosplash and you should have access to the consoles
[07:27] <xptical> kk
[07:28] <xptical> rebooting with nosplash.  BRB
[07:28]  * intelikey guesses that it's an ati onboard vidio and a 64bit lappy...
[07:29] <intelikey> the kernel is not the correct place for the vidio driver.  fbcon is a bad idea gone to seed.
[07:30] <biovore> fbcon has its place.. just not on PC :-P
[07:31] <intelikey> where do you need a gui kernel ?
[07:31]  * Daisuke_Ido wonders how long it'll be before there's a micropolis version in the repos
[07:33] <xptical> thanks all.
[07:33] <xptical> i'm in the login manager now.  where can I switch to KDE4?
[07:33] <shadowh511> hit session
[07:33] <shadowh511> or Options->session
[07:33] <shadowh511> it depends on the theme
[07:34] <intelikey> options - change sessions    maybe
[07:34] <xptical> I have no options tab
[07:34] <intelikey> look in the corner
[07:34]  * intelikey remembers seeing it there with some dm
[07:35] <shadowh511> any button that isn't OK or Shutdown should work
[07:35] <xptical> okay...i'm lost
[07:35] <xptical> from the desktop, how do I get KDE4 running
[07:36] <intelikey> log out and slect the kde4 session in the dm  ?
[07:36] <xptical> oh
[07:36] <xptical> i see
[07:36]  * intelikey hides.
[07:36] <xptical> crap
[07:36] <xptical> BRB
[07:37] <shadowh511> intelikey: how do you do those *** things?
[07:37] <shadowh511> *** cries
[07:38] <intelikey> /me
[07:38]  * shadowh511 thanks intellikey
[07:38] <intelikey> /me says welcome.
[07:38]  * shadowh511 uses ubuntu and KDE4
[07:40] <intelikey> shadowh511 maybe not all irc clients have it.  but most have a /help  command too.   if yours does, then it will list all the slash commands avalable
[07:40] <shadowh511> ok thanks
[07:41] <yug> is this thing on?
[07:41] <intelikey> no
[07:41]  * shadowh511 says no
[07:41] <yug> Thanks .wasn't sure
[07:41]  * intelikey has created a monster
[07:41] <shadowh511> it exploding, yug
[07:42] <shadowh511> it's exploding
[07:42]  * shadowh511 sighs in disbelief
[07:43] <shadowh511> so, how do you like kde4?
[07:44] <yug> not game to try yet as I am computer numty
[07:44] <_luke_> shadowh511: generally its good but it has a lot of rough edges still
[07:44] <_luke_> but the KDE 4.x series is looking good
[07:45] <shadowh511> yeah, it needs a sound program, than its perfect (using kmix
[07:45] <xptical> ooh...that's sexy
[07:45]  * shadowh511 wonders what xptical is doing
[07:45] <intelikey> wb xptical
[07:46]  * shadowh511 is scared
[07:46] <xptical> shadowh...getting kde4 running
[07:46]  * shadowh511 laid a doose in his pants
[07:47] <intelikey> and is probably about to get booted from the channel.
[07:47] <yug> as i go to have dinner
[07:47] <yug> :(
[07:47] <ardchoille> !ot
[07:47] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:47] <shadowh511> ok sorry, had too many mountain dews
[07:48] <shadowh511> there is no offtopic kubuntu channel
[07:48] <intelikey> purple    hmmm
[07:48] <shadowh511> nm it works
[07:48] <ardchoille> shadowh511: #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:50] <serrucho> somebody can tell me where i can get codecs for my videos and movies?
[07:50] <ardchoille> !restrictedformats
[07:50] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:50] <shadowh511> you need the gstreamer codecs from the add/remove programs icon
[07:52] <yug> As a first time user of an operating system that doesn't to be rebooted at every od numbered key stroke and some one who has no idea what happens behind the power switch or after, this OS rocks
[07:52] <ardchoille> yug: :)
[07:53] <Obsoletist> doesn't it though?
[07:53] <intelikey> des-quatro
[07:54] <Obsoletist> All right then, dead room is it?  Lets liven things up a bit...
[07:54]  * Obsoletist shouts, "GO SEAHAWKS!"
[07:54] <xptical> okay...this sucks
[07:55] <xptical> how do i drag my wallpaper back to the correctplace
[07:55] <Obsoletist> man, I'm trying to stir the pot
[07:55] <ardchoille> !ot
[07:55] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:55] <xptical> and how do i drag a folder and drop it in another folder
[07:56] <Obsoletist> Noted, sorry.  you might have to open Dolphin as admin
[07:56] <intelikey> heh that started in windows 1.x didn't it ?
[07:56] <intelikey> drag and drop copying
[07:56] <Obsoletist> Especially if you are trying to move stuff that isn't in your home folder
[07:57] <xptical> I have two folders on the desktop
[07:57] <xptical> and i can't drag one into the other
[07:57] <Obsoletist> Let me try it out, I have never tried it
[07:57] <xptical> when i tried, i dragged the fucking wallpaper to one side
[07:57] <xptical> and now my wallpaper is all fucked up
[07:57] <xptical> fucking fuck
[07:58] <ardchoille> !language | xptical
[07:58] <ubotu> xptical: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[07:58] <yug> As I don't believe in taking something for nothing I am embarking on a Python expedition. As my schooling goes no farther than year ten this is quit a trek but good less pushing road cases and more brain cells.
[07:58] <xptical> copy that
[07:58] <Obsoletist> he he he, It'll be all right, relax
[07:58] <Obsoletist> Have you tried refreshing the deskop (just a diversion while I try and copy what you did
[07:58] <Obsoletist> )
[07:59] <intelikey> "Python expedition" yug ?
[07:59] <Kernel> hello all. im trying to set up my wireless router with wpa encyption....ive installed wpasupplicant ..but i still have no options to use wpa...only wep
[07:59] <Kernel> on the wiki i see this : Note to Kubuntu users: No editing of files needed. Just make sure wpasupplicant is installed and start knetworkmanager from the Internet menu.
[08:00] <Kernel> but.....that isnt true
[08:00] <intelikey> you mean isn't always true,  it probably was with the authers setup.
[08:01] <Kernel> yea...well not true for me
[08:01] <Kernel> !wpa
[08:01] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:01] <Kernel> hmm....
[08:01] <xptical> tried refreshing the deskop  HOW?
[08:01] <xptical> f5?
[08:01] <Obsoletist> xtypical:  I'm going to start at the most basic level and work up, please don't be offended.  when you click and drag the folder and drop it in another one, does it give you the option to "move" here?
[08:01] <Kernel> wwonder why there isnt more info on this
[08:01] <Obsoletist> sorry, right click on desktop
[08:02] <Obsoletist> midway down list
[08:02] <xptical> i can literally drag one folder over another and the only thing I get is two folders in the same place
[08:02] <xptical> KDE4 BTW
[08:02] <intelikey> Kernel because it's totally user supported and not enough proficient users contributing ?
[08:02] <monzie> hi all
[08:03] <Kernel> well...i mean..ubuntu has awesome docs.....figured someone would have.
[08:03] <monzie> what is the easiest way of settting up a kde4 dev envrionment?
[08:03] <Obsoletist> Hmmm...Not sure if I have the same version as you.  I can't move my wallpaper off center at all
[08:03] <Kernel> seems they have covered just about everything else
[08:03] <monzie> There is a "kde-devel' package for kde3
[08:03] <monzie> are there similary packages for kde4?
[08:03] <intelikey> Kernel i don't have any wireless anything.  so i can't help in that area.   prehaps most of the wiki writers are in the same boat...
[08:04] <xptical> well, i can't move mine back
[08:04] <xptical> very strange
[08:04] <Obsoletist> Yeah...Still fidgiting with it
[08:04] <intelikey> Kernel that's one place you could use your help.  you have the equipment.  as soon as you figure out what needs to be done you can write a wiki to help others.
[08:05] <intelikey> you could/we could/they could/
[08:05] <ardchoille> Or make editions to the current wiki page
[08:05] <Kernel> hehe.....ive tried doing stuff like that before . but i tend to muck it.
[08:06] <intelikey> ardchoille can he do that on help.ubuntu.com ?   i thought only on wiki.ubuntu
[08:06] <intelikey> !wiki
[08:06] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.
[08:06] <intelikey> !help
[08:06] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:06] <ardchoille> intelikey: It's still just a wiki :)
[08:07] <Obsoletist> xptical Im sorry, I really don't think I can help you without playing around with 4.0.
[08:07] <intelikey> maybe i had it backwards anyway.
[08:09] <xptical> i love playing
[08:09] <xptical> i'll spend some time with it and see what I can find
[08:09] <xptical> thanks for all the help
[08:09] <xptical> over an out
[08:09] <xptical> over and out
[08:11] <calcmandan> anyone here use jabber?
[08:12] <calcmandan> anyone here use jabber?
[08:12] <dbmood1> hi how do i reinstall all packages from the main distro and remove the backported ones ?
[08:15] <calcmandan> let me see if it works with gaim.
[08:16] <biovore> jabber is suppose to work with pidgin/gaim
[08:16] <dbmood1> !version
[08:16] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[08:18] <pirate_chef> I'm on Jabber
[08:19] <pirate_chef> so few people use it
[08:19] <calcmandan> have you managed to make a file transfer work?
[08:19] <pirate_chef> No, I haven't tried that
[08:20] <calcmandan> i'm trying to get it working with a friend of mine and we're failing.
[08:20] <calcmandan> it's weird.
[08:25] <calcmandan> funny thing about jabber.  the chat rooms are so unsocial
[08:27] <sammy> speak of the devil. I'm migrating my jabberd2 server to openfire (if I can migrate the data properly)
[08:29] <sammy> calcmandan: possibly the good old NAT problem tripping you up? my file transfer works if I setup a forwarded port from my firwall first
[08:29] <calcmandan> good point.  i tried that.
[08:29] <calcmandan> maybe my port is off.
[08:29] <calcmandan> i don't know how to set that up samme.
[08:29] <calcmandan> sammy
[08:30] <pirate_chef> I don't even know how to get into the Jabber chat rooms
[08:30] <sammy> calcmandan: using kopete?
[08:30] <pirate_chef> yes
[08:30] <calcmandan> yes.  tried kopete,
[08:30] <calcmandan> gaim
[08:30] <calcmandan> gabber
[08:30] <calcmandan> it has to be on my wireless router.
[08:30] <calcmandan> blocking the port.
[08:30] <sammy> kopete works for me when I set up a port on my firewall to be forwarded and specify my external IP
[08:31] <sammy> that's what I'm guessing, that's usually the culprit when it comes to file xfer problems
[08:32] <sammy> pirate_chef: jabber servers don't necessarily have chat rooms. some do, some don't. the multi-user chat is usually an addon that administrators can choose.
[08:34] <calcmandan> so when you set up port forwarding, you had to specify a public address right?
[08:39] <sammy> calcmandan: in kopete? yeah, external address and forwarded port
[08:39] <calcmandan> it only allows me to specify the last octet
[08:39] <zorglu_> q. what is the package name for the thing with tamper with base autocompletion to make it adapting for the command option
[08:42] <a_h_jamali> hi all
[08:43] <posingaspopular> hi a_h_jamali
[08:43] <a_h_jamali> does kubuntu 7.10 (kde4) has torrent ?
[08:43] <a_h_jamali> posingaspopular: ?
[08:43] <sammy> zorglu_: are you talking about bash autocompletion? that's app-shells/bash-completion
[08:44] <posingaspopular> sure
[08:44] <posingaspopular> ktorrnet
[08:44] <zorglu_> sammy: ok. do you know the name of the package for it ?
[08:44] <posingaspopular> kmenu->internet->ktorrent
[08:44] <a_h_jamali> posingaspopular: sorry I want the image file torrent! ;)
[08:45] <posingaspopular> oh the .iso
[08:45] <a_h_jamali> I downloaded it but the image was not dowloaded well! MD5! :(
[08:45] <a_h_jamali> posingaspopular: ooh! yes! \
[08:45] <posingaspopular> one sec http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/
[08:46] <sammy> zorglu_: that is the package name, friend: app-shells/bash-completion
[08:47] <a_h_jamali> posingaspopular: oh! yes! but there is no torrent! :(
[08:47] <zorglu_> sammy: a slash in a package name ? seem strange no ?
[08:47] <posingaspopular> http://btjunkie.org/torrent/Kubuntu-7-10-KDE4-0-Version-x86/3558dfd0e5b1f4200b5096c548999c41432abd658349
[08:49] <sammy> zorglu_: sorry, the category is app-shells. the package name is bash-completion
[08:49] <zorglu_> sammy: ah ok thanks
[08:49] <sammy> zorglu_: np, hope that's what you were looking for
[08:50] <posingaspopular> a_h_jamali: is that what you wanted?
[08:51] <a_h_jamali> posingaspopular: yes. exactly! thank you so much! ;) :)
[08:52] <posingaspopular> np, gl with your kubuntu
[08:55] <calcmandan> grr, this file transfer through kopete is really irritating me.
[08:55] <guiz> HellO!
[08:55] <guiz> Any italian here?
[08:55] <a_h_jamali> posingaspopular: tanx dear ;)
[08:57] <calcmandan> sammy: when i set up port forwarding on my router, what's the server IP address i'm supposed to specify?
[08:58] <calcmandan> sammy: so i can file transfer via jabber.
[09:07] <sammy> calcmandan: the ip address of the machine you want the traffic forwarded to, the IP address of the machine with kopete running
[09:08] <sammy> calcmandan: 'server' is just used because normally you would forward ports to a running server.
[09:08] <calcmandan> that's what i thought
[09:08] <calcmandan> i specified a random port
[09:08] <calcmandan> on kopete, i specified my router's ip address.
[09:09] <sammy> bingo. make sure the ports match, then give it a whirl. of course, if the other end isn't set up correctly, it still wont work :)
[09:09] <calcmandan> right.
[09:10] <calcmandan> do i want to specify my router's internal ip or external?
[09:12] <posingaspopular> external i would guess calcmandan
[09:13] <zorglu_> be carefull your external ip address change over time
[09:13] <calcmandan> yeah
[09:15] <calcmandan> THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
[09:15] <calcmandan> it works!
[09:19] <omistaja> hello
[09:22] <posingaspopular> hi omistaja
[09:27] <omistaja> mine first time using IRC in kubuntu and unix world generally and it seems to work well
[09:29] <Lynoure> omistaja: congratulations, and welcome :)
[09:29] <omistaja> thx
[09:31] <Lynoure> omistaja: your username got me wondering. Did you get a computer with Kubuntu pre-installed?
[09:33] <nuxil> is it worth the effort to install kde 4 ?
[09:33] <omistaja> no its finnish and I created it
[09:34] <nuxil> lol
[09:34] <Lynoure> nuxil: it's not much effort, really. If you like reporting bugs or helping out with kde4, sure
[09:34] <Lynoure> omistaja: I asked because I'm Finnish too :)
[09:34] <nuxil> how buggy is it?
[09:34] <omistaja> ok
[09:35] <Lynoure> nuxil: no opion on that yet, I have no plans using it as my primary environment
[09:35] <nuxil> can i have both installed ?
[09:35] <parkin> nuxil: see topic
[09:36] <parkin> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[09:36] <nuxil> ok
[09:47] <m477> how upgrade amarok to play mp3 files ?
[09:47] <Lynoure> !mp3
[09:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:48] <Lynoure> m477: Check those links
[09:49] <Lynoure> m477: mp3 is a patented format, so it cannot be distributed enabled by default, thus the extra steps needed
[09:49] <m477> so what i need to do ?
[09:50] <m477> thats links doesnt really help me
[09:51] <awag22> did you look at the link?
[09:51] <young> what are  you  talking about
[09:52] <m477> yes
[09:52] <m477> i cant open mp3 in amarok
[09:52] <nuxil> no you didnt
[09:53] <nuxil> its all in that link'
[09:53] <m477> for sure
[09:53] <m477> not really~~
[09:54] <luca_b> Hello. Is there anyone who is familiar with the kubuntu packaging of KDE 4?
[09:54] <nuxil> m477, who do you think you are fooling ? its not us. go read that link from top to bottom
[09:54] <persen__> Hi, when i took a "Full Upgrade" in Adept (from feisty to gutsy), the installation process hanged. Now when i restart Adept Manager its stating that another process is using the package system. I've closed all apps, so what can i do about this?
[09:55] <nuxil> time to test kde4 :)
[09:55] <persen__> Can i do a dist upgrade via aptitude? And not via Adept Manager ?
[09:55] <luca_b> persen__: yes
[09:55] <awag22> m477: sudo apt-get install libmad0 libxine-extracodecs
[09:55] <awag22> try that
[09:56] <m477> awag22: it cant find package libmad0
[09:56] <persen__> luca_b, aptitude dist-upgrade ? Is that the command ? So easy? nothing more to it?
[09:57] <luca_b> persen__: yes
[09:57] <persen__> *test*
[09:57] <luca_b> persen__: better, *sudo* aptitude dist-upgrade
[09:57] <Lynoure> m477: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-99259e1841e1e1262f4f71e0c72d5a51b3fb69e9 should help you.
[09:58] <Lynoure> m477: it's step by step, let me know if you get stuck on it, just use Adept instad of Synaptic :)
[09:59] <persen__> it says that /var/lib/dpkg/lock is used by another process.. Is there some way i can check what process this is ? See what process might hold that resources
[09:59] <Lynoure> m477: it'll not only let you play mp3s, but also lot of other closed license stuff you might want to play
[09:59] <parkin> m477: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s
[09:59] <luca_b> persen__: try doing ps aux | grep adept to see if adept is still running even if you have closed the window
[09:59] <m477> Lynoure: mate link which you give me is to ubuntu i got kubuntu it looks bit difrent
[10:00] <Lynoure> m477: that's why I said use Adept
[10:01] <Lynoure> m477: but, yeah, the link parkin gave you is exclusively for kubuntu :)
[10:04] <Alatius> Heya, I try to set my resolution in xorg.conf (because I can't for the life of me get it to work through the GUI). When I start X with xinit, I get the desired resolution (1152*864), but if I start with startx, it reverts to 1024*768. Any ideas why that may be the case?
[10:07] <Alatius> Or am I better of asking that in the #ubuntu channel instead?
[10:08] <Lynoure> Alatius: Both without special command line options?
[10:08] <omistaja> Does anybody know is there any else way to change my kubuntu (64 bit) to 32 bit version than formatting my harddisk
[10:08] <gourdin> hi there
[10:08] <gourdin> I'm going to install kde4
[10:08] <Alatius> Without any special options, yes.
[10:09] <Freku> a brave move
[10:09] <awag22> hehe
[10:09] <Freku> :-)
[10:09] <Lynoure> Freku: they can exist side by side almost amicably
[10:09] <gourdin> I'm wondering if the next kubuntu upgrade will be fine if kde4 is installed
[10:09] <Freku> almost ?
[10:09] <Lynoure> gourdin: it will be one of the options, yes
[10:09] <luca_b> stdin: ping
[10:10] <gourdin> ok
[10:10] <gourdin> hmmm
[10:10] <gourdin> I'm going to install it so :)
[10:10] <Lynoure> Freku: Installing kde4.0 changed what programs my 3.5.8 konqueror wanted to launch, but not hard to fix
[10:11] <gourdin> Lynoure: kde4 use ~/.kde4 and not ~/.kde ?
[10:11] <Freku> well, i'm a total newbie and not risking my running kde with a .0 version
[10:11] <gourdin> =)
[10:11] <Freku> i wont be able to fix problems
[10:11] <omistaja> it seems like there is not enough support for 64 bit version yet
[10:11] <Freku> :-)
[10:11] <luca_b> gourdin: it's hardcoded to use .kde4
[10:11] <luca_b> so no trouble
[10:11] <gourdin> Lynoure: are you using kde4 ?
[10:11] <luca_b> but I'd like to know if someone here has installed it already
[10:11] <gourdin> luca_b: cool
[10:11] <luca_b> gourdin: I am at the moment
[10:12] <luca_b> but I have a uqestion because I may have found a packaging bug
[10:12] <gourdin> luca_b: and ?
[10:12] <gourdin> ho
[10:12] <Lynoure> gourdin: not as primary desktop, no
[10:12] <gourdin> I'm installing it
[10:12] <luca_b> gourdin: it works, of course it  will eat your children
[10:12] <Lynoure> gourdin: I need kdepim too much
[10:12] <luca_b> still some rough edges
[10:12] <awag22> haha
[10:12] <luca_b> Lynoure: I run kmail from KDE3 here
[10:12] <gourdin> Lynoure: you can use kdepim3 in kde4 ?
[10:12] <luca_b> only I think I have found aproblem in packaging I think
[10:13] <Lynoure> gourdin: I suppose, but, no, still want kde3 as my normal space. YMMV.
[10:13] <luca_b> but I need to compare my experience with someone who has it already
[10:13] <luca_b> I mean who is already using kde4
[10:13] <gourdin> Lynoure: =))
[10:13] <awag22> I installed it and it looked ok, I wasn't able to customize the taskbar to my liking though, so I'm going to use 3.5.8 until a better release of 4 is out
[10:13] <awag22> it also crashed on me once after install
[10:13] <gourdin> awag22: :/
[10:13] <luca_b> awag22: you can't customize it at the moment, future versions will be able to
[10:13] <Lynoure> gourdin: I prefer to let other users bleed on the bleeding edge, and get on 4.1 or so, when it is nice and solid :)
[10:14] <gourdin> we can't customize the taskbar ?
[10:14] <awag22> hehe
[10:14] <gourdin> Lynoure: like me :)
[10:14] <gourdin> hmmmm
[10:14] <luca_b> gourdin: well you can add applets
[10:14] <luca_b> gourdin: but not resize it
[10:14] <Algyz> Is everybody lucky with KDE 4 install on Gutsy? Not me :)
[10:14] <Lynoure> So I just occasionally take a looksee at it. (as I should help out with porting of some apps)
[10:15] <gourdin> Algyz: what's the problem ?
[10:15] <luca_b> Can someone who is using KDE3 run a kde4 app for me and test something?
[10:15] <awag22> sure
[10:15] <Lynoure> luca_b: Which kde4 app?
[10:15] <awag22> is it going to crash my X server or anything?
[10:15] <luca_b> Lynoure: run dolphin-kde4 and see iwhat you can create by right clicking and selecting "New..." (like for a folder or something)
[10:15] <gourdin> install in progress ... @#^]@#~[
[10:15] <Lynoure> luca_b: tell me first what you get?
[10:16] <luca_b> Lynoure: I don't get anything because the plugins aren't loaded
[10:16]  * Lynoure is a bit cautious, most of the time :)
[10:16] <luca_b> I mean I can't create anything within dolphin
[10:16] <awag22> luca_b: i just get a "link to device" thing, and then nothing
[10:16] <luca_b> awag22: excellent, then it's a packaging bug
[10:17] <luca_b> should I report it?
[10:17] <gourdin> of course !
[10:17] <gourdin> =)
[10:17] <luca_b> launchpad up and running
[10:17] <gourdin> ok, restarting kde ]@{
[10:17] <luca_b> it *is* a packaging bug as my self-compiled KDE does not exhibit this behavior
[10:18] <awag22> I feel like kde 3 stuff runs a lot smoother for me
[10:18] <awag22> probably because my machine sucks
[10:18] <Makuseru> hi, can someone help me set up MIDI?
[10:21] <gourdin> wow
[10:21] <gourdin> nice effect on icons on the desktop
[10:21] <gourdin> font are big
[10:21] <gourdin> how can I activate "beryl thing" ?
[10:22] <gourdin> coposite ?
[10:22] <gourdin> composit
[10:22] <gourdin> e
[10:22] <Makuseru> !midi
[10:22] <ubotu> Trouble playing MIDI files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[10:22] <luca_b> gourdin: right click on a window
[10:22] <luca_b> and select window behavior or something like that
[10:23] <gourdin> luca_b: I got it :)
[10:23] <gourdin> thx
[10:23] <gourdin> decktop effect
[10:23] <gourdin> =)
[10:24] <luca_b> gourdin: which card do you have?
[10:24] <luca_b> if it's NVIDIA you have to use 169.07 or newer as driver (not in the repositories) and export a variable to work around bugs in the driver itself
[10:25] <ubuntu_> hello
[10:25] <ubuntu_> would anybody help me?
[10:25] <awag22> whats up?
[10:25] <ubuntu_> i'm in the middle of kubuntu live install
[10:25] <ubuntu_> and the partitioner won't format
[10:25] <ubuntu_> i can't tick the checkbox format
[10:26] <awag22> hmm
[10:26] <ubuntu_> nor does it happen automatically when i select the root partioin
[10:26] <ubuntu_> when i click next
[10:26] <ubuntu_> it sys it must be formatted
[10:26] <awag22> but it won't let you click format?
[10:26] <ubuntu_> no
[10:26] <Algyz> strange
[10:27] <awag22> hmm
[10:27] <ubuntu_> ok
[10:27] <ubuntu_> tried again after trying 10 times
[10:27] <ubuntu_> now it works
[10:27] <awag22> lol
[10:27] <awag22> i think you can thank me for that
[10:27] <ubuntu_> that's linux for ya
[10:27] <awag22> ;)
[10:27] <Algyz> works like old car :D
[10:27] <ubuntu_> thanks, anyway
[10:27] <awag22> hehe
[10:27] <Algyz> at least starting from second or third time :D
[10:28] <ubuntu_> ok
[10:28] <ubuntu_> bye
[10:28] <awag22> later
[10:28] <ubuntu_> one more thing
[10:29] <ubuntu_> does kubuntu have a lot of bugs?
[10:30] <ardchoille> ubuntu_: Completely bug-free software is extremely rare. I have been using Kubuntu for a few releases and haven't seen any major problems.
[10:30] <Algyz> he quited
[10:30] <rs> tach
[10:30] <ardchoille> Yeah
[10:31] <Freku> try a knoppix livecd and format hd
[10:32] <Algyz> so are many of you can't install kde 4?
[10:33] <Algyz> or it's only me?
[10:35] <persen__> how do i check my dist version? Think i've upgraded to gutsy now, but how can i check it?
[10:35] <ardchoille> persen__: lsb_release -a
[10:35] <luca_b> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/182501 for anyone who has problems creating new directories in dolphin KDE4 and similar
[10:36] <nuxil> why did kde ppl rush with releasing kde4 ? its way to buggy, it shouldnt have been released for a couple of months or more.
[10:36] <persen__> ardchoille, thanks
[10:36] <ardchoille> yw
[10:36] <luca_b> nuxil: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/talking-bluntly.html
[10:37] <gourdin> gnf
[10:37] <gourdin> fun
[10:37] <gourdin> I must get used to
[10:38] <luca_b> gourdin: currently there are some bugs in the packages
[10:38] <luca_b> I'm hoping to get also hold of a packager here so I can explain in detail the issues
[10:40] <luca_b> if you see someone like stdin (who helped packaging) please forward that bug URL I posted earlier
[10:40] <gourdin> where can I add an applet ?
[10:40] <luca_b> panel or desktop
[10:40] <luca_b> there are two ways to do so
[10:40] <gourdin> right clicking on the panel only gives me 2 options
[10:40] <luca_b> gourdin: also you mway want to take a look at http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/FAQ
[10:41] <luca_b> gourdin: you don't right click to add applets to the panel
[10:41] <luca_b> hover over the toolbox in the upper right corner
[10:41] <gourdin> luca_b: hmmm
[10:41] <luca_b> select add widgets
[10:41] <gourdin> ho
[10:41] <luca_b> find the widget you want to
[10:41] <gourdin> ok, thx for the link luca_b
[10:41] <luca_b> and *drag it* on the panel
[10:41] <gourdin> =)
[10:42] <luca_b> I'm trying to make video tutorials out of those
[10:42] <luca_b> sadly I won't have time till next weekend I fear
[10:43] <gourdin> luca_b: drag them on the panel ?
[10:43] <gourdin> the fall behind it here :)
[10:43] <gourdin> they
[10:44] <luca_b> gourdin: whoops I forgot to tell you
[10:44] <luca_b> gourdin: you need to drag them from the window
[10:44] <luca_b> gourdin: not to add them to the desktop then drag
[10:44] <persen__> darn, after upgrading to gutsy and kde4 i cant login to X.
[10:45] <gourdin> luca_b: ahhh
[10:45] <nuxil> haha- see when you try to install buggy software :P
[10:45] <gourdin> luca_b: ok, thx :)
[10:47] <boguh> for kde4 i still have to use the launchpad.net repository?
[10:48] <dan__> hejsan
[10:48] <dan__> vad händer här?
[10:49] <parkin> dan__: folk ställer frågor om problem etc, många som pratar om kde4, dom flesta pratar på engelska
[10:49] <nuxil> !se
[10:49] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[10:49] <parkin> du kan gå in i #kubuntu-se för att prata med svenskar
[10:50] <luca_b> hm, let's see if this factoid has been added
[10:50] <dan__> okej
[10:50] <luca_b> !plasma
[10:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about plasma - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:50] <luca_b> meh
[10:50] <dan__> en slags suport för Ubuntu alltså?
[10:50] <parkin> för kubuntu
[10:50] <parkin> jao
[10:50] <nuxil> engelsk
[10:50] <parkin> finns ju också #ubuntu
[10:51] <ardchoille> !en
[10:51] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[10:53] <gourdin> omg
[10:53] <gourdin> a hell of bugs
[10:53] <gourdin> now it launchs konqueror4 when I click on a folder
[10:53] <gourdin> hmmmm
[10:53] <boguh> kde4?
[10:54] <nuxil> gourdin, so stop using it :P
[10:54] <boguh> is it already the official realease?
[10:54] <gourdin> nuxil: no way ! :)
[10:54] <gourdin> boguh: yeah
[10:54] <nuxil> boguh, yes,, but its buggy as hell
[10:54] <nuxil> not worth the effort
[10:54] <gourdin> hmmm
[10:54] <gourdin> not true
[10:54] <nuxil> yes it is
[10:54] <gourdin> nice to see the improvements
[10:54] <Lynoure> gourdin: that's the kind of setting thing I mentioned earlier
[10:54] <gourdin> and the ideas
[10:54] <gourdin> Lynoure: ok
[10:55] <gourdin> bug reporting :)
[10:55] <boguh> what about the speed? is it as fast as 3.5?
[10:55] <gourdin> omg omg !
[10:55] <gourdin> I just drag the entire desktop
[10:55] <gourdin> =)
[10:55] <gourdin> I don't know how
[10:55] <nuxil> yes i know
[10:56] <nuxil> its a bug
[10:56] <gourdin> how can I center it again ?
[10:56] <nuxil> restart X
[10:56] <gourdin> nuxil: gnf ...
[10:56] <luca_b> gourdin: to avoid dragging things there's a solution
[10:56] <gourdin> luca_b:  ?
[10:56] <luca_b> gourdin: once everything is in place, right click and select lock widgets
[10:57] <gourdin> =)
[10:57] <gourdin> luca_b: ok, thx
[10:57] <gourdin> restarting x ... ...
[10:57] <DreadKnight> pushing the mouse into the upper-left corner is awsome xD
[10:57] <nuxil> nah
[10:58] <DreadKnight> you can even filter windows by typing then :)
[10:58] <DreadKnight> wish katapult will be ported soon >_<
[10:58] <nuxil> 0.o
[10:58] <nuxil> that was a joke right?
[10:58] <gourdin> wish a 4.0.1
[10:58] <DreadKnight> nuxil: about katapult?
[10:59] <nuxil> YES
[10:59] <DreadKnight> no joke
[10:59] <nuxil> its the most usless app ever made :P
[10:59] <luca_b> you can bring desktop to front like a normal window in KDE 4, BTW
[10:59] <DreadKnight> nuxil: katapult is one of the most used
[10:59] <DreadKnight> :D
[10:59] <snikker> hi, how can i know what script launch a command? a "find" and "sort" is running from itself
[10:59]  * jpatrick tried porting katapult and failed
[11:00] <nuxil> jpatrick, good.-.. keep it that way :p
[11:00] <DreadKnight> nuxil: man if you don't like it then don't use it... that doesn't mean it's useless for other people tough
[11:00] <DreadKnight> :P
[11:00] <luca_b> snikker: can you elaborate?
[11:01] <nuxil> DreadKnight, what so good about it?
[11:01] <jpatrick> nuxil: easy to launch apps, music, etc?
[11:01] <DreadKnight> nuxil: you can launch apps very fast, you can change / search for tracks played in amarok and so on
[11:01] <snikker> luca_b: what do you mean?
[11:01] <DreadKnight> nuxil: it's thunder fast compared to the new menu...
[11:02] <luca_b> snikker: I didn't understand well your question
[11:02] <DreadKnight> alt + space and type in xD
[11:03] <snikker> luca_b: the "find" command is start without that i've run it...
[11:03] <nuxil> snikker, you want to know if find and sort is running? ps aux | grep find .. but you cant find you what script started the commands
[11:03] <DreadKnight> ctrl + esc    xD
[11:04] <snikker> yes, i want know what scrpt run command... so i can't?
[11:04] <nuxil> nop
[11:05] <nuxil> its a child prosess of the script
[11:05] <nuxil> i think
[11:06] <snikker> oh, ok thanx
[11:09] <awag22> ice cream sandwitches are one of the best things in life
[11:10] <awag22> sandwiches
[11:10] <nuxil> deplom is
[11:13] <gourdin> gnf.
[11:16] <jermain> hi everyone
[11:17] <jermain> I installed gutsy, but it wont install packages or updates
[11:17] <jermain> halfway the installation it says something about broken packages and calls it quits
[11:17] <jermain> even after a clean install
[11:17] <jermain> can someone wave his magic wand and fix it :)
[11:18] <ardchoille> jermain: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list so I can look at it?
[11:18] <ardchoille> !paste | jermain
[11:18] <ubotu> jermain: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:18] <jermain> k
[11:19] <jermain> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51753/
[11:20] <ardchoille> jermain: Ok, your sources.list looks ok. Canyou pastebin the errors you are getting?
[11:21] <jermain> yeah, let me try an install to get the error
[11:21] <jermain> 1 sec
[11:22] <jermain> okay in Adapt manager, under the column 'Requested' it says 'BREAK (install)' in red
[11:23] <jermain> i tried to install 'swf-player'
[11:24] <ardchoille> jermain: close adept, open a terminal and run:  sudo apt-get update
[11:25] <ardchoille> jermain: Then try an install again
[11:25] <jermain> k
[11:28] <jermain> the update command went well, but adept still gives the break notification
[11:28] <jermain> i tried Zim and got the error:
[11:28] <jermain> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51755/
[11:29] <jermain> the strange thing is, i also got it on my laptop, exact same problem
[11:29] <ardchoille> jermain: Hmm, never seen that problem.
[11:29] <jermain> :(
[11:30] <jermain> i feel like i discovered a new species
[11:30] <jermain> hehe
[11:30] <jermain> could it be that the install disk wasnt burned properly?
[11:31] <ardchoille> If that's the only problem you are seeing, then I doubt it's a bad burn
[11:31] <jermain> k
[11:32] <jermain> the funny thing is, i get the error at every install, but sometimes the program is still properly installed
[11:33] <jermain> wow i got a new one, an error downloading updates when i click 'fetch updates'
[11:35] <rohan> does the kde4 live cd of kubuntu have support for compositing and desktop effects? the opensuse kde-four-live cd does not
[11:35] <Hobbsee> rohan: not by default
[11:36] <awill97> does the current kubuntu 7.10 iso come with kde4
[11:36] <Hobbsee> awill97: no
[11:36] <awill97> ok thanks. i must get it
[11:36] <P3symista> you can do noproblem upgrade to kde4
[11:37] <rohan> Hobbsee: meaning? i need to install it to disk first/
[11:37] <rohan> and can i use the kde4 kubuntu live cd to install it to HD ?
[11:37] <Hobbsee> rohan: meaning you need to enable it in system settings, appearance, advanced, iirc
[11:37]  * Hobbsee hasn't seen the live cd
[11:37] <rohan> Hobbsee: yes, but it does have XDamage and those right?
[11:38] <HS^> has live cd much improved over rc2?
[11:38] <Hobbsee> rohan: unsure
[11:38] <awill97> it would have
[11:38] <HS^> i dont think kde4 is usuable now
[11:38] <rohan> opensuse livecd says XComposite and XDamage are not available
[11:38] <rohan> HS^: it is usable, but barely just, depending on your needs
[11:38] <awill97> i just play around
[11:38] <P3symista> i use kde4, but i havent new kmail
[11:39] <P3symista> and kopete have problems to connect gadugadu and jabber
[11:39] <HS^> i mean compared to winXPsp2 i dont think kde4 is usuable.... its like going back to darkages. ugly too.   kde 3.5 came close to XP though
[11:40] <P3symista> kde 4 is usable, but need some time to configure
[11:40] <jpatrick> P3symista: I'm in the same boat as you
[11:40] <HS^> yes maybe distributions can put a decent style on it
[11:40] <HS^> i think theres no one that doesnt hate the big black taskbar
[11:40] <jpatrick> HS^: planned of Kubuntu
[11:40] <luca_b> HS^: I don't hate it
[11:41] <HS^> ok cool. but kubuntu release is a half year away
[11:41] <HS^> right
[11:41] <luca_b> HS^: Besides, Plasma is just 18 months old
[11:41] <jpatrick> HS^: plenty of time :)
[11:41] <luca_b> kicker and kdesktop were 7 years old, plenty of time to get stable
[11:41] <HS^> yes i know it will improve with time
[11:42] <P3symista> this relase of kde4 should be RC3
[11:42] <awill97> why
[11:42] <HS^> even if plasma is 18 month old...... couldnt they have styled it better?
[11:42] <P3symista> because plasma isnt completed
[11:42] <HS^> is styling really difficult
[11:42] <ardchoille> Plasma isn't finished yet
[11:42] <P3symista> not compatible witch older apps
[11:42] <luca_b> To all: you can't get app developers to work unless you release
[11:42] <P3symista> i know
[11:42] <luca_b> HS^: IT's jsut a SVG, actually, very themable
[11:43] <luca_b> there's just no UI yet
[11:43] <P3symista> i cant compile kdenetwork from SVN :/
[11:43] <HS^> luca_b so they just placed a black SVG?
[11:43] <awill97> yep
[11:43] <luca_b> HS^: No, the artists were just way busy finishing the icon sets
[11:43] <HS^> but that also means that plasma doesnt follow the style rules of Qt/KDE
[11:44] <luca_b> HS^: those would be?
[11:44] <HS^> the color scheme... the oxygen theme
[11:44] <HS^> whatever is in a QtStyle
[11:44] <luca_b> HS^: it will get better, it's not quite the end of the world
[11:45] <HS^> yes i know
[11:45] <Pesymista> and old kmail doesnt run on kde4
[11:45] <jpatrick> HS^: just be happy with the greatness you got :)
[11:45] <HS^> i use windows for now... till kde4 becomes as great as promised
[11:45] <luca_b> Pesymista: It just runs fine here
[11:46] <Pesymista> i've get kmail: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libkdepim.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN15KConfigSkeleton11setDefaultsEv
[11:46] <luca_b> jpatrick: I agree, I can't wait to start playing with some of the stuff
[11:46] <gregori> Ciao a tutti!!!
[11:46] <gregori> giorno a tutti
[11:46] <jpatrick> !it | gregori
[11:46] <ubotu> gregori: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:46] <luca_b> Pesymista: that's the KDE4 version which is known to be broken
[11:46] <gregori> ok
[11:46] <jpatrick> Pesymista: kdepim does not build
[11:46] <Pesymista> :(
[11:46] <luca_b> it has not been even recommended by the KDE Devs
[11:46] <luca_b> let alone distros
[11:46] <luca_b> too few people working on it
[11:47] <luca_b> it may get in better shape by March and then KDE 4.1, I hear
[11:47] <HS^> whats in march?
[11:47] <luca_b> jpatrick: since I heard you earlier talking about porting, do you have any information on Kubuntu's packaging of KDE 4?
[11:47] <HS^> is 4.0.* just bugs fixes?
[11:48] <luca_b> I'm just trying to find someone to ping for a packaging bug
[11:48] <jpatrick> luca_b: #kubuntu-devel
[11:48] <luca_b> jpatrick: will hop there
[11:48] <jpatrick> luca_b: if it's the icons, it's being worked on
[11:48] <luca_b> jpatrick: no, a problem with dolphin/kopete/KDE4 apps not findng plugins
[11:49] <luca_b> jpatrick: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/182501
[11:49] <jpatrick> luca_b: interesting
[11:50] <wers> whenever I scan with kooka, even if I do not choose to save the pictures, they're saved. in what folder are those pics saved?
[11:55] <Pesymista> svn update to kdepim avabile
[11:55] <Pesymista> i try to compile
[11:57] <manaburn> hello?
[11:58] <Pesymista> hi
[11:58] <manaburn> is this area for asking questions regarding kubuntu or should i go somewheres else
[11:58] <blizzzek> hi
[11:58] <Pesymista> ask
[11:59] <jpatrick> !ask | manaburn :)
[11:59] <ubotu> manaburn :): Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[11:59] <Pesymista> this is kubuntu support :)
[11:59] <manaburn> i have been having problems getting my microphone to work and browsing all the threads has turned up nothing
[11:59] <manaburn> this is making WoW very difficult
[11:59] <manaburn> any suggestions for a fix
[12:00] <jpatrick> manaburn: checked in kmix?
[12:01] <manaburn> yes i checked kmix and everything is unmuted and yurned up
[12:01] <manaburn> also capture is turned up
[12:01] <Pesymista> u havent mic signal in any app?
[12:02] <manaburn> nope i have been using krec to check and no signal
[12:02] <manaburn> also doesnt work in WoW
[12:02] <manaburn> :(
[12:02] <Pesymista> u tried this microphone on windows?
[12:02] <manaburn> yes it works on my windows partition just fine
[12:03] <Pesymista> try to turn off all excluding mic in kmix
[12:03] <manaburn> k
[12:04] <manaburn> still nothing
[12:04] <Pesymista> :(
[12:05] <manaburn> when i plug mic into jack i hear noise in speakers, also when i rub my finger on the mic i hear in speaker
[12:05] <manaburn> are  they getting crossed somehow do you think
[12:06] <Lynoure> manaburn: you mentioned WoW, does this mean you have this problem only under wine? or everywhere?
[12:06] <Pesymista> probably
[12:06] <manaburn> it doesnt work in wine or with anything else under kubuntu
[12:07] <Pesymista> you have via chipset?
[12:07] <manaburn> elaborate plz
[12:08] <Pesymista> in kmix in tab name
[12:08] <Lynoure> manaburn: you said you can hear the mic in the speaker, when you rub it. What program have you used for capturing the sound?
[12:08] <TimS> On the Command Line, you can issue the Shutdown command, will it show the shutdown message to users under X?
[12:09] <manaburn> i can hear noise when i rub all the time
[12:09] <manaburn> even is no recording is happening
[12:09] <Lynoure> TimS: no idea, really, you could test it, though :)
[12:09] <Lynoure> manaburn: what are you trying to record with?
[12:10] <manaburn> i was using krec
[12:10] <TimS> Lynoure: I suppose I could with -K, also, is it possible to send messages to other logged in users?
[12:10] <k8> how install wine in kubuntu amd 64
[12:10] <Hobbsee> !wine | k8
[12:10] <ubotu> k8: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[12:11] <Pesymista> kdepim compile broken :/
[12:11] <Pesymista> libkleo
[12:11] <Lynoure> TimS: other commanline users do get a shutdown warning, that I know
[12:11] <TimS> Okay
[12:12] <k8> i don hawe internet conektion in kubuntu
[12:13] <Pesymista> u have router or usb modem?
[12:13] <Lynoure> manaburn: Did you already go through the kmixer settings (you would have red light for mic, and capture, not necessarily a green light)
[12:14] <manaburn> i made sure that everything was turned on and turned up in the input tab
[12:14] <manaburn> also i can hear myself speak through my speakers
[12:14] <k8> i need wine for load trafik inspektor
[12:14] <jpatrick> !info ksniffer | k8
[12:14] <ubotu> k8: ksniffer: network traffic analyzer for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-1 (gutsy), package size 425 kB, installed size 1412 kB
[12:15] <k8> no
[12:15] <bottiger> when I'm trying to update I always get this error: http://pastebin.ca/853238 any idea what to do about it?
[12:15] <k8> i am for ukraine
[12:16] <jpatrick> !uk | k8
[12:16] <ubotu> k8: Join us for a discussion using the Queen's English in #ubuntu-uk
[12:16] <jpatrick> err...
[12:16] <Lynoure> manaburn: interestingly, I can record fine with skype and audacity, but no initial luck with krec at all
[12:16] <wpk> !ua | k8
[12:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ua - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:16] <k8> ok
[12:16] <manaburn> i will try using those and report back
[12:17] <Pesymista> bottiger u try to apt-get update with --fix-missing
[12:17] <Pesymista> ?
[12:18] <bottiger> Pesymista: yes - that just skips the package and installs the rest. not really a fix
[12:19] <k8> I need to set programu wine on Kubuntu 7.10 amd 64 through katoruyu I will connect the traffic of inspektro through which I go out in the internet
[12:20] <jpatrick> k8: enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list and sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install ksniffer
[12:22] <manaburn> ok so i got audacity and tryed recording again with no luck. i am sure that it has something to do with the fact that the mic and speakers are intertwined
[12:22] <k8> nau will make attempt
[12:25] <Lynoure> manaburn: Did you see my kmixer question?
[12:25] <manaburn> nope srry
[12:25] <Lynoure> manaburn: Did you already go through the kmixer settings? (you should have red light for mic, and capture, not necessarily a green light)
[12:26] <manaburn> so your saying that the red lights need to be on as opposed to the greens?
[12:26] <Lynoure> manaburn: the green light makes it go to speakers, the red defines it as  a recording source
[12:26] <Lynoure> manaburn: yes.
[12:26] <manaburn> ah ok 1 sec
[12:26] <manaburn> pat yourself on the back your a genious
[12:27] <manaburn> what a way to throw people off
[12:27] <manaburn> lol
[12:28] <manaburn> thanks for the help!
[12:31] <TimS> How can I find what version of QT I have installed.
[12:34] <TimS> !qt
[12:34] <ubotu> Qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt applications
[12:35] <jpatrick> TimS: kdesktop -v
[12:35] <TimS> Thanks
[12:36] <flithm> hey does anyone know where kde4's kate is at?  I don't seem to have it?
[12:36] <jpatrick> flithm: install kate-kde4
[12:36] <flithm> jpatrick: is it in backports or ppa only?
[12:37] <jpatrick> flithm: it got so advance they move it out of kdebase and into kdesdk
[12:37] <jpatrick> flithm: both (should be)
[12:37] <flithm> jpatrick: hrmf it's not in my apt-cache
[12:38] <jpatrick> flithm: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3515/
[12:38] <gladier> guys - whats the easiest way to view the contents of an iso?
[12:38] <gladier> preferably something which plugs into dolphin
[12:38] <flithm> gladier: mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/iso :)
[12:39] <gladier> see last comment :P
[12:39] <presroi> hi
[12:39] <gladier> i prefer to either use the mouse OR use the keyboard :) not both
[12:39] <flithm> gladier: I don't know about the fancy gui stuff
[12:40] <presroi> I have a rather weird situation: I installed Knewsticker via Adept and I cannot start it now, its not in the menu and I can't also find the binaries in the file system, except for the documentation (running kubuntu 8.04-test2)
[12:41] <gladier> oh well .. i have a corrupted iso
[12:41] <knubbe> i followed the instructions for installing KDE4, but when i removed the incompatible packages (apt-get remove kdelibs5 kde4base-data kde4libs-data) it removed alot of stuff, such as kdm, konqueror etc. is that as it should be? (i cant run konqueror now)
[12:45] <freepenguin> hello
[12:49] <Josh-is-my-name> hey. how is everyone?
[12:50] <freepenguin> hey
[12:50] <Josh-is-my-name> have u tried out kde4 yet?
[12:50] <flithm> okay... just trying to use kate4 here, and none of my plugin selections get saved when I quit kate.  which is pretty annoying
[12:50] <bazhang> live cd or other Josh-is-my-name
[12:51] <Josh-is-my-name> i'm using kubuntu. i installed the kde4-core package and a number of kd4 applications
[12:51] <Josh-is-my-name> does kdm4 work for anyone?
[12:52] <Hatl> hi! i have installed ubuntu on my new pc and i want to update everything now. is it possible to copy the packages from another pc which is up to date?
[12:52] <ChosRat> I'm trying kde4 in gutsy too
[12:53] <Josh-is-my-name> @ChosRat: its still quite buggy, huh?
[12:53] <jussi01> Hatl: it would be _much_ easier to get the unupdated pc onto the net...
[12:53] <Hatl> i have a working kde4 on gusty
[12:53] <ChosRat> yeah, a lot of things is not working well
[12:53] <ChosRat> kopete, konqueror, ...
[12:53] <Josh-is-my-name> yeah...
[12:53] <Hatl> jussi01: but then i need to download everything again
[12:54] <ChosRat> Hatl: look into /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:54] <Josh-is-my-name> is there a channel for kde4 or sth?
[12:55] <jussi01> !aptoncd | Hatl
[12:55] <Hatl> ChaosRat: i copied that directory already. didnt work
[12:55] <ubotu> Hatl: APTonCD is a tool with a graphical interface which allows you to create one or more CDs or DVDs with all of the packages you've downloaded via apt-get or aptitude, creating a removable repository that you can use on other computers
[12:56] <jpatrick> !away > mneisen|afk
[12:56] <jussi01> !away > mneisen|afk
[12:56] <Hatl> ubotu: is there a way to use the lan? i dont want to burn a cd :)
[12:56] <jussi01> !bot | Hatl
[12:56] <ubotu> Hatl: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:59] <Lynoure> Hatl: yes, you could copy them to /var/cache/apt and apt should look for them there before downloading
[12:59] <Hatl> i have installed ubuntu on my new pc and i want to update everything now. is it possible to copy the packages from another pc which is up to date?
[12:59] <Lynoure> Hatl: most likely you can just copy the .deb files from /var/cache/apt on one machine to other.
[13:00] <Hatl> Lynoure: that didnt work. aptitude wants to download everything again
[13:00] <jpatrick> Hatl: rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ you@ipofothercomp:/home/you/somewhere
[13:00] <Lynoure> Hatl: hmmm.
[13:01] <Hatl> jpatrick: then i have all the packages in a folder. how do i tell aptitude to use them?
[13:02] <jpatrick> Hatl: no, but you can just dpkg -i them
[13:02] <Hatl> jpatrick: i dont want to install all of them. just the ones needed to update my new pc
[13:02] <jpatrick> Hatl: ah...
[13:03] <Hatl> i tried to put them into /var/apt/cache/packages/partial but that didnt work
[13:03] <Lynoure> Hatl: tried with apt-get install?
[13:04] <Lynoure> Hatl: they might behave differently in this respect
[13:05] <Hatl> Lynoure: but then i have to know which packages need an update. it would be more comfortable if i can use adept_updater :)
[13:05] <Josh-is-my-name> yes, i think apt-get would handle this situation better than aptitude
[13:05] <sonoftheclayr> Other than adding widgets does the plasma icon in the top right actually do anything?
[13:05] <Josh-is-my-name> what else should it there for?
[13:05] <Lynoure> Hatl: no, you don't need to know. But, don't know how adept_update checks these things, so cannot help with that.
[13:06] <Hatl> Lynoure: how can i update everything using apt-get?
[13:07] <Lynoure> Hatl: sudo apt-get update  followed by  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   (but, yes, it is not the Kubuntu recommended way)
[13:08] <Hatl> Lynoure: doesnt work :)
[13:08] <Hatl> Lynoure: apt-get starts to download the packages
[13:08] <sonoftheclayr> Hatl: maybe try aptitude full-upgrade
[13:09] <Hatl> sonoftheclayr: aptitude starts to download the packages
[13:10] <Lynoure> Hatl: and you copied the whole /var/cache/apt ?
[13:10] <Hatl> Lynoure: yes
[13:10] <Hatl> Lynoure: no
[13:10] <nuxil> how will kde4 and compiz mix together ?
[13:10] <Hatl> Lynoure: just the packages
[13:11] <Lynoure> Hatl: if you feel adventurous, backup the existing /var/cache/apt, then replace it, and try again
[13:11] <Hatl> Lynoure: ok, ill try that
[13:13] <Hatl> Lynoure: didnt work :(
[13:14] <Lynoure> Hatl: there is probably then a solution involving setting up a local apt repository of your own, but probably not work it unless you are on dialup, and certainly not something I want to dig into now =)
[13:15] <dandroid> Hatl: have you checked that the packages are the exact same versions as what are in the repositories?
[13:15] <Hatl> Lynoure: i will try to set up a package proxy
[13:16] <Hatl> Lynoure: i updated everything on my old pc. so i have the latest packages
[13:17] <dandroid> have you actually checked the versions though?
[13:17] <dandroid> sudo apt-get -V dist-upgrade
[13:17] <dandroid> that'll tell you what versions it's trying to install
[13:17] <dandroid> pick a package and check that the one you have in your cache is the same version
[13:18] <Lynoure> Hatl: http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/05/06/update-or-install-applications-on-debianubuntu-without-an-internet-connection/  looks like something you can squeeze the solution from
[13:18] <dandroid> oh
[13:18] <dandroid> wait
[13:18] <dandroid> Hatl
[13:18] <dandroid> you have all the debs, right?
[13:18] <dandroid> put them in /home/user/debs or somewhere
[13:18] <dandroid> then
[13:18] <dandroid> sudo dpkg -i /home/user/debs/*.deb
[13:19] <dandroid> it'll install all of them
[13:19] <dandroid> and then run apt-get dist-upgrade to ensure they are the latest packages
[13:19] <dandroid> but do the version check first
[13:20] <sonoftheclayr> what about apt-get -f install to ensure dependencies are properly installed?
[13:20] <johannes__> hi
[13:20] <dandroid> sonoftheclayr: dpkg won't install if dependancies aren't met
[13:21] <dandroid> it'll let him know and then he'll just have to update those with apt-get
[13:21] <Hatl> i have got more packages in /var/apt/cache than i need
[13:21] <johannes__> ist auch ein Deutscher da?
[13:21] <Lynoure> !de | johannes__
[13:21] <johannes__> oder eine?
[13:21] <ubotu> johannes__: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[13:22] <sonoftheclayr> dandroid: Yes I know dpkg won't install if dependencies aren't met but it will spit out something saying run apt-get -f install to install the dependencies
[13:22] <dandroid> aye.
[13:22] <Hatl> johannes__: österreicher, aber die sprechen ja auch deutsch :)
[13:22] <johannes__> ja ;)
[13:23] <dandroid> Hatl: well, then do a dist-upgrade and only install the ones it's planning on installing
[13:23] <dandroid> have you already checked that the versions are the same?
[13:24] <Hatl> dandroid: apt-get starts downloading the packages
[13:24] <Hatl> dandroid: ill try apt-cache-ng
[13:24] <johannes__> Kann mir jemand sagen wie man Kubuntu als Server nutzt?
[13:24] <dandroid> sudo apt-get -s -V dist-upgrade
[13:25] <Hatl> johannes__: es gibt eine eigene version für server
[13:25] <Lynoure> johannes__: there is a server edition of Ubuntu. No sense having X (kde or gnome) on a headless server
[13:25] <johannes__> Also muss ich mir Ubuntu runterladen ?
[13:26] <nosrednaekim> german in !de please
[13:26] <dandroid> johannes__: all *ubuntu are the same deep down. just install/remove packages until you have a server setup that suits your needs
[13:26] <Hatl> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/WhatIsUbuntu/serveredition
[13:26] <sebastian^> hi folks :)
[13:26] <dandroid> welcome.
[13:27] <nosrednaekim> hey
[13:27] <dandroid> johannes__: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-server kde
[13:27] <dandroid> (if you already have an ubuntu install)
[13:27] <mneisen> jpatrick: jussi01: You advised me not to change my nick in #kubuntu. Can you tell me how to avoid that and still be able to do it in other channels where it is considered polite to tell other that you are afk?
[13:27] <sandy> hi
[13:28] <sandy> hi all h r u
[13:28] <Hobbsee> mneisen: use /away <away message> instead?
[13:28] <dandroid> mneisen: the polite way with with the away system
[13:28] <Hobbsee> mneisen: so people will find out if they send you a message?
[13:28] <sandy> hey who r u
[13:28] <sandy> who
[13:28] <dandroid> sandy: who are you?
[13:28] <mneisen> Hobbsee: dandroid: thanks, will do that in the future!
[13:28] <sandy> me your master
[13:29] <Hobbsee> sandy: this is a kubuntu support channel.
[13:29] <sandy> who are you dandroid
[13:29] <sandy> dandroid:who are you
[13:29] <dandroid> someone who obeys rules? this isn't a general chat channel
[13:30] <Hobbsee> sandy: you might want #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:30] <dandroid> sandy: or try out these new things called messages.
[13:32] <persen__> I've not upgraded to gutsy and installed kde4, but no kde4 is displayed in my login manager. I've done everything explained here, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[13:33] <persen__> The login manager is the screen where you enter username/passwd right?
[13:35] <nosrednaekim> persen__: yes, and there is a little box to click that will allow you to change your session
[13:36] <persen__> only displays "default" and "KDE". no "KDE 4"
[13:36] <nosrednaekim> s/box/icon
[13:36] <nosrednaekim> persen__: are you sure you installed the 4.0 packages?
[13:36] <persen__> installed kde4-core
[13:37] <nosrednaekim> persen__: hmm ok...
[13:37] <nosrednaekim> persen__: are you using gdm?
[13:38] <persen__> gdm ?
[13:38] <k8>  :|
[13:38] <k8>  :'(
[13:38] <persen__> Gnome display manageer?
[13:38] <nosrednaekim> persen__: yes, is it brown...
[13:38] <persen__> i've always used kubuntu with kde 3.x
[13:38] <nosrednaekim> persen__: oh ok.
[13:39] <k8> hau install wine in kubuntu amd64
[13:39] <nosrednaekim> !wine
[13:39] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[13:40] <persen__> !AppDB
[13:40] <ubotu> The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org
[13:40] <nosrednaekim> persen__: I don't know why it wouldn't show up, but look up the installation instructions for RC1 and see how to make your own "sessions" entry
[13:40] <dandroid> persen__: does wine run on 64 bit machines? i am under the impression that it did not
[13:41] <persen__> dandroid, im not qualified to say
[13:41] <persen__> RC1 ? Isnt KDE4 1.0 out?
[13:42] <persen__> KDE4.0 that is.
[13:42] <ScottG> it is
[13:42] <ScottG> using it as we speak :)
[13:43] <nosrednaekim> persen__: yes, but the older release had instructions for how to make your own session script (which it appears you don't have)
[13:43] <dandroid> k8: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=97026 <-- wine doesn't run on 64bit machines without work
[13:43] <dbmoodb> mmmm
[13:46] <persen__> whats the command for updating changes in sources.list again ?
[13:46] <nosrednaekim> persen__: "sudo apt-get update"
[13:47] <nosrednaekim> persen__: don't actually instal; thepackahes in those older tutorials though
[13:47] <persen__> nice, think its therefore i dont have kde4.
[13:48] <luca_b> persen__: You may want to wait a bit, there is a packaging bug of some sort that prevents some stuff to get loaded
[13:48] <luca_b> I've been trying to track it down but I don't know enough of KDE internals
[13:48] <persen__> its already on its way
[13:49] <nosrednaekim> persen__: you forgot to run apt-get update before fetching kde4-core
[13:50] <DarkWizzard> Hello
[13:50] <velveteyes> hello
[13:50] <DarkWizzard> I installed kde4. My problem is that when I switch back to kde3, Qt4 applications remain with the kde4 look.
[13:50] <DarkWizzard> I mean all Qt4 apps have that Aluminium look and kde4 style buttons and elements
[13:51] <nosrednaekim> DarkWizzard: and you don't like that?
[13:51] <DarkWizzard> But only qt4 apps, not the kde ones. They have the old look
[13:51] <DarkWizzard> I like it but it doesn't really fit into my old look
[13:51] <DarkWizzard> I love it in kde4, but I would like to switch back in kde3
[13:52] <dbmoodb> mmmm i hate to say it but kde 4 feels like a gnome release
[13:52] <nosrednaekim> DarkWizzard: yeah, that has to do with certain kdelibs stuff I think. Not sure how to get around that since i'm really even surehow it works.
[13:53] <DarkWizzard> me neighter
[13:53] <DarkWizzard> then kde4 it will remain
[13:53] <DarkWizzard> :)
[13:53] <nosrednaekim> dbmoodb: don't let the incompleteness of plasma fool you, take a look at konqueror.
[13:53] <dbmoodb> i know
[13:53] <dbmoodb> konq is good
[13:53] <dbmoodb> dolphin is the gnome route
[13:53] <nosrednaekim> dbmoodb: then what do you mean?
[13:54] <dbmoodb> wait yuck
[13:54] <dbmoodb> konq is worse than i thought now
[13:54] <dbmoodb> bye bye complexity
[13:54] <DarkWizzard> Gwenview always crashes for me :)
[13:54] <DarkWizzard> under kde4
[13:54] <dbmoodb> removal of features etc
[13:54] <nosrednaekim> konq removed features? like what.
[13:54] <DarkWizzard> dbmoodb: don't be sad about it, they will add it back soon
[13:54] <dbmoodb> really ?
[13:54] <DarkWizzard> Like galery generation
[13:54] <DarkWizzard> :)
[13:54] <DarkWizzard> I loved that feature
[13:55] <dbmoodb> mmm they need to fix the kmenu
[13:55] <DarkWizzard> It made thumbnails for my images when I needed web galleries
[13:55] <dbmoodb> no fecking clicking to go places, hovering is enough
[13:55] <nosrednaekim> dbmoodb: yeah... they will add back any features.
[13:55] <DarkWizzard> I miss my image previews in konqueror :)
[13:55] <DarkWizzard> and on my desktop
[13:55] <dbmoodb> i thought this was a released version 4.0
[13:55] <nosrednaekim> DarkWizzard: eh? I can preview images in konqueror
[13:56] <DarkWizzard> by default ?
[13:56] <nosrednaekim> dbmoodb: it is.... but that doesn't mean its all feature complete or has even attaned feature parity
[13:56] <dbmoodb> so when do i expect that
[13:56] <nosrednaekim> dbmoodb: maybe 4.1?
[13:57] <dbmoodb> k
[13:57] <DarkWizzard> nosrednaekim: it works for me in konqueror-kde4 on kde3
[13:57] <DarkWizzard> but not in kde4
[13:57] <DarkWizzard> strange
[13:57] <DarkWizzard> and not on the desktop
[13:57] <DarkWizzard> and they also load slow
[13:57] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... not on the desktop yet.
[13:58] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I can't see the pics in konq on kde4 either, odd
[13:58] <DarkWizzard> I also dislike the idea of icons being plasmoids
[13:58] <DarkWizzard> They have that semi transparent frame
[13:59] <nosrednaekim> DarkWizzard: they may be able to get rid of that later. But the whole point of plasma is steering away from the "desktop as a filemanager"
[13:59] <cj_> hi, will kde4 be available through standard repositories for gutsy?
[13:59] <nosrednaekim> cj_: not standard, but the is a PPA for it, and it may be in backports by now
[13:59] <DarkWizzard> nosrednaekim: yeah but right now it kind of feels like superkaramba on steroids
[13:59] <cj_> so kde 3 will always be default for gutsy?
[14:00] <DarkWizzard> for gutsy I think so
[14:00] <nosrednaekim> cj_: yes
[14:00] <nosrednaekim> DarkWizzard: yup... thats what it is :)
[14:01] <seezer> nosrednaekim: it's already in backports
[14:01] <nosrednaekim> ok, thanks
[14:01] <cj_> are the kde4 packages mentioned in the topic stable? when i tried rc2 it seemed pretty buggy
[14:01] <DarkWizzard> cj_: yeah they crash a lot less
[14:02] <nosrednaekim> cj_: they better than rc2, but not really "production quality" yet
[14:02] <luca_b> is anyone in KDE 4 at the moment?
[14:02] <ScottG> I guess a final release doesn't mean polished, just more stable?
[14:02] <nosrednaekim> luca_b: yes
[14:02] <ScottG> I am
[14:02] <nosrednaekim> ScottG: in this case, its kinda a "tech preview"
[14:02] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: third test for bug 182501: can you see if you can create a folder in dolphin?
[14:02] <DarkWizzard> It's the first release
[14:02] <RadiantFire> cj_: there have been huge strides between rc2 and final, but its still a few minutes short of golden brown
[14:03] <nosrednaekim> luca_b: I can not... that was annoying me yesterday
[14:03] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: as I said, bug 182501: it's a packaging bug
[14:03] <ScottG> I can..
[14:03] <luca_b> ScottG: kubuntu packages or self-made?
[14:03] <ScottG> kubuntu
[14:03] <ccoffey> I'm trying to install at the minute, using the debootstrap method. my problem is i have horribly slow internet at the minute, so item like ubuntu-standard and so on will take me hours to download. would the alt cd, or the dvd contain most of the packages i need to install the system. it only occured to me this mrning that the live cd doesn't have many debs on it
[14:04] <luca_b> ScottG: Hmm... no leftover from old packages?
[14:04] <luca_b> I wish I knew more how to debug it
[14:04] <DarkWizzard> ok guys
[14:04] <DarkWizzard> thanks and bye
[14:04] <ScottG> no.. I removed old packages before installing final..
[14:04] <nosrednaekim> ccoffey: no, they don't have very many debs.
[14:04] <ScottG> I created a new folder without issue :)
[14:04] <ScottG> in dolphin
[14:04] <luca_b> ScottG: test #2 - can you install kopete-kde4 and just try creating an account? it doesn't matter which,
[14:05] <nosrednaekim> ScottG: by right clicking?
[14:05] <ScottG> ok
[14:05] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: AFAIK either plugins aren't loaded or something is failing on the way
[14:05] <ScottG> yes, I right clicked.. is there another way you'd like?
[14:06] <nosrednaekim> no.... thats fine(for you ;p)
[14:06] <nosrednaekim> take a look at this poll http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/23304
[14:06] <luca_b> ScottG: can you put on pastebin your kde4 packages installed?
[14:06] <ccoffey> nosrednaekim: i don't see ubuntu-standard on the dvd (http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/releases/7.10/release/kubuntu-7.10-dvd-amd64.list/), but  as it's a meta package, can i assume everything it's made up of, is on the dvd? just if you know of hand, i'll check it now myself
[14:07] <nosrednaekim> ccoffey: I don't really know what is on the DVD
[14:07] <ccoffey> okie dokie
[14:07] <ScottG> ok.. in Kopete I just created and connected an AIM account successfully
[14:07] <ccoffey> nosrednaekim: cheers
[14:07] <nosrednaekim> ccoffey: but I do think the alternatecd has alot of packages. since you can upgrade that way
[14:08] <ccoffey> nosrednaekim: aye, looking through an older alt one i have here. I'll grab the cd and dvd in work tomorrow
[14:08] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: polls on the Internet haven't really a great statistical value
[14:08] <nosrednaekim> luca_b: I know ;)
[14:08] <ScottG> how exactly would I go about putting my kde4 installs packages into the pastebin for you? I installed a bunch of random stuff.. by far not a "by the book" install :)
[14:09] <luca_b> ScottG: to see what's the difference between the lucky one (you) and us (nosrednaekim and me) wrt that issue
[14:09] <ScottG> I know why, but how was the question :P
[14:10] <nosrednaekim> ScottG: well, you could do "dpkg -l | grep "4.0" "
[14:11] <hexdude> hi, if i uncheck "show icons on desktop" in the desktop config thing, my kde desktop disappears altogether and a gnome desktop apears (ubuntu gusty, kde 3.5.8) today is the first time this has happened, anyone know what's up?
[14:12] <nosrednaekim> ScottG: actually grepping for "gutsy1" gives better results"
[14:12] <nosrednaekim> hexdude: are you using compiz?
[14:12] <hexdude> no
[14:13] <nosrednaekim> hexdude: 0.o wow....
[14:13] <MilitantPotato> Has anyone else had issues with the Kmenu not launching programs that require root?  It keeps saying the password is incorrect, which it isn't.
[14:13] <MilitantPotato> in KDE4**
[14:13] <jussi01> MilitantPotato: yeah, its a known bug afaik
[14:13] <nosrednaekim> MilitantPotato: yes... its a problem with kdesu, which asks for the root passowrd, of which there is none
[14:14] <MilitantPotato> Ok cool, yesterday no-one had the issue that mentioned it when I asked
[14:14] <ScottG> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51765/
[14:14] <MilitantPotato> Any work-arounds?
[14:14] <nosrednaekim> MilitantPotato: any admin program just run from krunner with "kdesudo appname"
[14:14] <hexdude> nosrednaekim: well i dont think so, someone else asked me that, and told me to try kwin --replace, and nothing changed
[14:14] <alesan> hey any idea how to configure adept so it can also install i386 packages on a 64bit platform?
[14:14] <MilitantPotato> nosrednaekim: ok, I'll continue doing that
[14:15] <nosrednaekim> hexdude: ok. well, I have never heard of this bug and i've been hanging around here for a while. very weird :)
[14:16] <hexdude> hehe, well guess my desktop icons are here to stay, at least for a while, it might go away with some future update (im pretty sure it appeared because of some updates yesterday, i cant think of anything else significant ive done since it was working)
[14:18] <nosrednaekim> hexdude: ok... sorry for the inconvenience
[14:18] <nosrednaekim> hexdude: this is a very common bug with compiz however.
[14:19] <nosrednaekim> ScottG: hmm i'm not seeing anything majorly different between our installs
[14:19] <nosrednaekim> you just have more games ;-)
[14:19] <hexdude> hmmm, well ill see if i am actually running that or something, im a noob so i could have put it on one day without knowing :)
[14:19] <ScottG> I wish I had some insight but I really don't
[14:20] <nosrednaekim> hexdude: if kwin --replace doesn't fix it, you aren't.
[14:20] <hexdude> ah, ok thanks
[14:20] <nosrednaekim> ScottG: hmm you have extragear -plasma, but I don't think that would affect anything
[14:20] <MilitantPotato> Yea that replaces the current window manager with Kwin
[14:21] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: I have extragear-plasma too
[14:21] <nosrednaekim> AH!
[14:21] <ScottG> I kinda went crazy installing kde4 packages indiscriminately..
[14:21] <nosrednaekim> luca_b: do you have the package "kde4" installed?
[14:21] <MilitantPotato> whenever I run konsole from alt+f2 i get "KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/konsole-kde4'."
[14:22] <MilitantPotato> it still loads a shell though...
[14:22] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: no, just the -core
[14:22] <SSJ_GZ> MilitantPotato: I've seen this too.
[14:22] <luca_b> MilitantPotato: that's due to the multithreading in krunner I think
[14:22] <nosrednaekim> luca_b: me too :) but ScottG has it installed..
[14:22] <ScottG> it's just a meta package..
[14:22] <nosrednaekim> luca_b: it seems todepend on all kde4 packages
[14:23] <luca_b> SSJ_GZ: totally OT but I forgot to thank you properly earlier (you were one of the ones who sent me the umeet IRC logs)
[14:23] <nosrednaekim> so there is a package in there that we are missing
[14:23] <SSJ_GZ> luca_b: np - I saw your "Thanks!" in the Plasma FAQ :)
[14:23] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: We need to ask a KDE guru about plugin loading, at least how to track it
[14:24] <nosrednaekim> that may be the problem.
[14:24] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: or better, ask a kubuntu packager about their adjustments
[14:25] <vamsi> Hello. Can somebody please help me with my Firefox/flash player issue?
[14:25] <nosrednaekim> !flash
[14:25] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[14:25] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[14:25] <nosrednaekim> vamsi: whats the problem'
[14:26] <vamsi> flash player is installed okay but flash videos are extremely slow
[14:26] <nosrednaekim> luca_b: i'll ask stidn when he gets back around.
[14:26] <MilitantPotato> When I try to run KlamAV with peazip as the program to handle archives it gives an error saying -P is no longer a valid option, where does KlamAV store command lines?
[14:27] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: thanks, and if something comes up, can someone post it to the bug? Since I have to go away soon I'll get back to it tomorrow or later today
[14:27] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51766/
[14:27] <nosrednaekim> luca_b: which bug again?
[14:27] <nosrednaekim> luca_b: and is it launchpad?
[14:27] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: yes, LP
[14:27] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: I'll post itin a second
[14:27] <luca_b> nosrednaekim: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/182501
[14:28] <nosrednaekim> luca_b: great.. ok
[14:28] <DexterF> hi
[14:29] <nosrednaekim> vamsi: I see, that hardware should be able to play flash. the video itself is downloading fine I suppose?
[14:29] <DexterF> installed vmware6 on Feisty, machine has 2.2GHz cpu and a gig of RAM. restoring an XP vm takes about 4-5 minutes with rest of the system idling.
[14:29] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: yes. video downloads okay. and .avi .mp4 and other videos play fine in kaffeine
[14:30] <DexterF> same machine but on slackware with vmware5: restore in about 40 sec.
[14:30] <DexterF> so - what's going on here?
[14:30] <nosrednaekim> DexterF: two things could be ;) why don't you try vmware5 in kubuntu?
[14:30] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: may be it is a firefox issue? firefox takes up like about 60% of my CPU when i play, say, youtube videos
[14:31] <nosrednaekim> vamsi: did you try playing them in konqueror?
[14:31] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: i could not get konqueror to play flash. may be some flash plugin issue there
[14:31] <DexterF> nosrednaekim: kernel's too new for 5 I think. truth is tho I don' t really wanna mess with the computer's setup. I'd rather try and install 6 on slack. what's the other thing?
[14:31] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: i have the nsplugin installed. inspite of that flash does not work in konqueror
[14:32] <nosrednaekim> DexterF: either the distro or vmware
[14:33] <nosrednaekim> vamsi: did you try googleing foryour problem?
[14:34] <MilitantPotato> vamsi: what video card?
[14:34] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: yes. mostly i get flash reinstallation solutions
[14:34] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: intel 82810e on board graphics card
[14:34] <DexterF> nosrednaekim: well, I'd pretty much rule out vmware. hence I came here...
[14:34] <MilitantPotato> vamsi: is compiz running by chance?
[14:35] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: never tried running compiz or beryl or any of that funky stuff as i have only 384mb RAM
[14:35] <vamsi> sorry, those messages were for MilitantPotato
[14:36] <MilitantPotato> vamsi: I get the same from compiz ruinning, was just a shot in the dark
[14:36] <nosrednaekim> DexterF: ok, well, I stay away from vmware and all their stupid keys, etc.so I don't know.
[14:36] <vamsi> MilitantPotato: hmm. do you have the same graphics card?
[14:36] <MilitantPotato> No, ATI, which is the source of my problems :(
[14:36] <MilitantPotato> Have you enabled restricted drivers for your card?
[14:37] <vamsi> MilitantPotato: sorry to hear that.
[14:37] <MilitantPotato> Yea, you're telling me.
[14:38] <vamsi> MilitantPotato: yes. no restricted drivers required for my hardware. that is what the computer says
[14:38] <Dogface> Hey Guys, I started running Kubuntu (dapper) on an old iMac about 4 months ago... Had just got it running and had a house fire 2 months ago.  Shut down till today... but it won't go back online.  Machine was disconnected and hard drive pulled for a while.  Ideas where I might look to get it to reconnect?
[14:39] <MilitantPotato> The drive won't read or it won't connect to the net?
[14:39] <nosrednaekim> vamsi: di you have the gnash flash player installed?
[14:39] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: do not know. let me check
[14:39] <Dogface> it reads fine...but won't connect to the net
[14:40] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: no. gnash player is not installed
[14:40] <nosrednaekim> vamsi: err.
[14:40] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: do you think i should install gnash player? \
[14:40] <nosrednaekim> vamsi: no.
[14:41] <DexterF> nosrednaekim: "stupid keys"...?
[14:41] <Dogface> Hmmmm... tried to do a time adjustment and it says that 'Connection with su failed."
[14:41] <nosrednaekim> DexterF: activation keys
[14:42] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: how do i get flash working in konqueror?
[14:42] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: if flash works fine in konqueror then it must be an issue with firefox
[14:44] <vamsi> what is the difference between flashplugin-nonfree and libflash-mozplugin?
[14:44] <DexterF> nosrednaekim: ah, ok. well, I'd prefer an alternative, too. but the only available is VBox, and that failed miserably on many occasions during testing. hence...
[14:45] <MilitantPotato> I've no idea how I installed flash but it works in konq and firefox
[14:45] <MilitantPotato> go figure.
[14:46] <nosrednaekim> vamsi: go into configure konqueror->plugins and enable the flash plugin
[14:47] <raton>  c'est la :
[14:47] <raton> aMSN Installer for Tcl/Tk 8.5
[14:47] <raton> oops
[14:48] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: libflashplayer.so is already enabled.
[14:49] <MilitantPotato> raton: are you looking for aMSN?
[14:49] <nosrednaekim> vamsi: oh <_<
[14:50] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: anything wrong?
[14:51] <MilitantPotato> vamsi: have you tried installing flash via firefox and not from the repos?
[14:51] <MilitantPotato> That's how I went about it now that I recall
[14:51] <nosrednaekim> vamsi: well... not for me... but I don't know how its not working
[14:51] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. try  MilitantPotato's idea. uninstall flash and do that
[14:52] <vamsi> MilitantPotato: doing it now
[14:54] <Dragon67> help with dhcp
[14:55] <drcode> hi all
[14:55] <MilitantPotato> Drag, in what way? Do you need to know where to configure your net?
[14:55] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: uninstalled flashplugin-nonfree
[14:55] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: but still no use
[14:55] <drcode> I have install kubuntu 7.10 , I have NVIDIA 5800 card, how can I run aixgl or XGL?
[14:55] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: flash is working fine in firefox!
[14:55] <MilitantPotato> No more lag?
[14:56] <drcode> I try to use some tut , but KDM stop working
[14:56] <MilitantPotato> vamsi: enable restricted drivers?
[14:56] <MilitantPotato> err, drcode *
[14:56] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: lag still present. not fine entirely
[14:56] <jussi01> !ati | drcode
[14:56] <ubotu> drcode: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[14:56] <nosrednaekim> drcode: if you have an nvidia, there is no need for XGL, and aiglx is automatically enabled
[14:56] <vamsi> nosrednaekim: tried restricted drivers but the program says i do not need any restricted drivers
[14:56] <drcode> k
[14:56] <MilitantPotato> vamsi: I ment drcode, sorry
[14:56] <drcode> so how I can get 3d?
[14:57] <MilitantPotato> drcode: follow that link
[14:57] <MilitantPotato> drcode: then join #compiz-fusion for help getting it installed on Kubuntu
[14:57] <Dragon67> help with dhcp please?
[14:57] <drcode> k
[14:57] <MilitantPotato> Dragon67: what kind of help?
[14:57] <drcode> thanx
[14:58] <ratman> hi
[14:58] <drcode> I can get both working KDE and compize-fusion?
[14:58] <drcode> it will not disable kde?
[14:58] <Dragon67> MilitantPotato: i have run dhcp and config dhcp.conf but when i try to start the dhcp it fail
[14:58] <MilitantPotato> drcode: it will work fine, it will need the KDE window decorations turned off
[14:58] <ratman> could anyone help me out with a font problem in kdm?
[14:58] <drcode> k
[14:58] <jussi01> !compiz | drcode
[14:58] <ubotu> drcode: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[14:59] <Dragon67> MilitantPotato: i have also config /etc/default/dhcp3-server to which int should be for dhcp but still fail please help
[14:59] <drcode> k
[14:59] <drcode> thanx
[14:59] <MilitantPotato> Dragon67: way over my head, sorry.   Have you tried in #networking  ?
[15:00] <ratman> i have just installed gutsy and i got super tiny fonts in kdm, any idea?
[15:00] <Dragon67> no
[15:00] <nosrednaekim> ratman: xorg dpi is wrong, but I forgot how to fix that
[15:00] <MilitantPotato> ratman: i had that same problem in Xfce, reconfiguring xserver helped
[15:02] <ratman> i'm using a xorg.conf from feisty because i got two monitors and i wouldn't like to configure it everything again
[15:03] <MilitantPotato> xdpyinfo | grep resolution
[15:04] <ratman> quite a strange result! resolution:    99x10 dots per inch, how could i fix it?
[15:05] <MilitantPotato> Looking into that now :)
[15:06] <ratman> it says dimensions:    1680x1050 pixels (431x2667 millimeters)
[15:06] <ratman> But in the section monitor i've set  DisplaySize 433 271
[15:06] <MilitantPotato> http://susefaq.sourceforge.net/faq/kde.html#d0e828
[15:07] <MilitantPotato> !resolution
[15:07] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[15:07] <Lindemann> hi..i have Genius Twinwheel FF (steering wheel with pedals). is there any driver for that on (k)ubuntu?
[15:08] <tekteen> Lindemann: have you tested it?
[15:08] <DexterF> nosrednaekim: forgot: vmware complains on starting VMs that /dev/rtc isn't available because another program is using it. might be part of the problem, but I wouldn't know what to do about it.
[15:08] <nosrednaekim> DexterF: what is rtc?
[15:08] <DexterF> nosrednaekim: hi res timer
[15:09] <Lindemann> tekteen: it works perfect on windows...
[15:09] <DexterF> !rtc
[15:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rtc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:09] <DexterF> !timer
[15:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about timer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:09] <tekteen> Lindemann: what happens when you put it in the kubuntu computer
[15:09] <DexterF> !vmware
[15:09] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[15:09] <jussi01> !botabuse > DexterF
[15:09] <administrador> hola algunos de ustedes ha instalado netbeans
[15:09] <nosrednaekim> Lindemann: try plugging itno kubuntu, I have a feeling you will be pleasantly surprised
[15:10] <nosrednaekim> !es
[15:10] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[15:10] <MilitantPotato> Lindemann: http://libff.wiki.sourceforge.net/
[15:10] <DexterF> jussi01: who maintains the bot?
[15:10] <Lindemann> tekteen: nothing happens. and there's nothing good in "dmesg". but lights at the wheel are on ..
[15:11] <RadiantFire> does anyone know of a way to supress the kde crash handler?
[15:11] <mjwild> what soft can I use to resize many photos at one go
[15:11] <jussi01> DexterF: the ops do, why?
[15:11] <tekteen> Lindemann: can you set it up in system settings > keyboard and mouse > joystick
[15:12] <tekteen> mjwild: gimp
[15:12] <Lindemann> tekteen: no i can't. there isn't anything in that combobox
[15:12] <DexterF> jussi01: well if bot dialogs are unwanted here I wonder why the bot doesn't query me right away but answers me right here in the channel.
[15:12] <tekteen> mjwild: or "convert" for the command line
[15:12] <MilitantPotato> tekteen: any idea why i can't get over 270* of rotation from my wheel in kubunut?
[15:12] <DexterF> mjwild: imagemagick. command line, their website has many tutorials
[15:12] <Tallen> Any pointers on getting my ATI 3850 working, proper (1680x1050) with Kubuntu?
[15:12] <tekteen> MilitantPotato: no clue. I do not even have a joystick
[15:12] <DexterF> Tallen: fglrx
[15:13] <tekteen> Tallen: gutsy?
[15:13] <Lindemann> MilitantPotato: thank you. reading the wiki :)
[15:13] <nosrednaekim> mjwild: digikam can also do batch resizes
[15:13] <MilitantPotato> ATI on linux is struggling at the moment
[15:13] <DexterF> at the moment? for ages...
[15:13] <MilitantPotato> Getting better though.
[15:14] <DexterF> well, yes, since they released the r500/600 specs.
[15:14] <tekteen> my ati radion works
[15:14] <DexterF> but who says they're gonna release them for comming chips as well?
[15:14] <mjwild>  Thanks will play and see how it works
[15:14] <SSJ_GZ> RadiantFire: Why do you want to do that, may I ask?
[15:15] <Tallen> tekteen: yes Gutsy.
[15:15] <DexterF> Tallen: what driver are you using right now?
[15:15] <DexterF> does it work at all?
[15:15] <tekteen> Tallen: have you tried the restricted drivers manager
[15:15] <tekteen> ?
[15:15] <RadiantFire> SSJ_GZ: nspluginviewer crashes whenever I visit a website that has flash in it
[15:15] <MilitantPotato> As poorly as ATI is doing these days having good support for the linux users would be a wise move, hopefully they see that.
[15:15] <SSJ_GZ> RadiantFire: I'm not sure if it can be disabled globally, but you can disable it when launching a specific app by passing a command-line flag.
[15:16] <RadiantFire> SSJ_GZ: can I get to the launch command for nspluginviewer?
[15:16] <tekteen> MilitantPotato: I do not know if there are enough of us to count. :-(
[15:16] <Tallen> DexterF: vesa
[15:16] <SSJ_GZ> RadiantFire: Ah, OK - that's launched via Konqueror, so I suspect it is hard-coded :/
[15:16] <RadiantFire> bummer
[15:16] <MilitantPotato> tekteen: true, because everyone gets nvidia due to the driver mess.
[15:16] <DexterF> MilitantPotato: lets hope for the best. still will be long before he have feature complete 2D/3D in radeonhd. plus, a lot of people will have to upgrade.
[15:16] <Tallen> DexterF: I tried following this, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, but it doesn't seem to be supported/work.
[15:16] <tekteen> Tallen: have you tried the restricted drivers manager
[15:17] <SSJ_GZ> RadiantFire: Might not be, though - try killing and konqueror processes and re-launching with the (IIRC) --no-crash-handler flag
[15:17] <MilitantPotato> Tallen: you could build the drivers from ATI's website
[15:17] <davf> Can anyone help me setup kmail-pocket pc sync?
[15:17] <MilitantPotato> Tallen: not sure if it supports that new of a card though, I'll check.
[15:17] <DexterF> Tallen: you could try the radeonhd driver, but that only gives 2D, no vid accel, no 3D. so not much better than vesa at all.
[15:17] <davf> I've install synce-kde
[15:17] <Tallen> tekteen: yes. It reports "Your hardware does not need any restricted drivers".
[15:17] <SSJ_GZ> RadiantFire: --nocrashhandler
[15:17] <davf> and synckonnector
[15:18] <tekteen> Tallen: I suggest you give up. sorry :-(
[15:18] <DexterF> Tallen: 2d accel. and 3d only via fglrx on this card right now
[15:18] <RadiantFire> nope, oh well
[15:18] <nosrednaekim> tekteen: never give up...
[15:18] <RadiantFire> never surrender..
[15:18] <DexterF> :D
[15:18] <MilitantPotato> Tallen: http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html
[15:18] <tekteen> nosrednaekim: :-D
[15:18] <ratman> hi, i'm back with my resolution problems.
[15:18] <persen__> after installing kde4 the fonts are really big, everything gets smashed together.. where do i adjust this ?
[15:19] <tekteen> !resolution | ratman
[15:19] <ubotu> ratman: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[15:19] <voonte> persen__: Check in System Settings / Appearance
[15:19] <ratman> it seems that my proble is a nvidia bug
[15:19] <MilitantPotato> Tallen: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=593348
[15:19] <MilitantPotato> That guide worked great for the 6 people I've helped get that ATI driver working
[15:20] <ratman> when i use the nv driver everything works ok, but when i swith to nvidia the driver asumes that my monitor is 431x2667 millimeter
[15:21] <ratman> do you know any way to skip the nvidia displaysize guess?
[15:22] <Tallen> MilitantPotato: Thanks, I will give it a shot.
[15:22] <MilitantPotato>  bash ./ati-driver-installer-8.42.3-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/gutsy  will need to be  	bash ./ati-driver-installer-8.443.1-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/gutsy
[15:22] <voonte> ratman, did you try to set the DisplaySize manually in your xorg.conf?
[15:22] <MilitantPotato> the  			 				  sudo dpkg -i command will need to change according to the file names in the latest release.
[15:22] <ratman> it's alreay set, but nvidia ignores it
[15:23] <voonte> what does your xorg log say about it?
[15:23] <persen__> voonte, cant find that.. any programname i can type in terminal to start it ?
[15:24] <voonte> persen__, click the KMenu in the bottom left corner, then select System Settings
[15:24] <ratman> xorg log says: DPI set to (99, 10); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config
[15:25] <ratman> and it's strange because in my xorg i've got: DisplaySize 433 271
[15:25] <voonte> ratman, what options do you set in your Monitor and Device section in xorg.conf?
[15:25] <persen__> voonte, theres no "system settings", only "settings" and "system". two separate menus
[15:25] <ratman> In the monitor section just the DisplaySize
[15:26] <davf> Anyone familiar with sync-kde?
[15:26] <ratman> and in the device just "nologo" "true"
[15:26] <davf> synce-kde? ^
[15:26] <spiniker> hello i cant get the cube to run on kubuntu
[15:27] <voonte> persen__, try to start it from the konsole, type system and hit tab
[15:27] <spiniker> anybody knows how
[15:27] <voonte> ratman, that's strange
[15:27] <voonte> ratman, do you have an nvidia card?
[15:27] <spiniker> nope..
[15:27] <ratman> yeah, i'm having lots of problems with edid. i've switched from glx-new to glx because edid was not working at all with my monitor
[15:28] <spiniker> i have enable all of the effects except for the cube
[15:28] <ubuntu_> hey all just lost both my drives had to boot from cd anyone have any ideas
[15:28] <ratman> voonte i've got an nvidia card
[15:28] <voonte> ratman, you could set the dpi manually and see if that works better
[15:28] <ratman> how could i set the dpi manually?
[15:28] <spiniker> i created 4 workspaces but ended up having eight
[15:29] <spiniker> and only two sided screen
[15:29] <persen__> voonte, ok, now i see it.. thanks.. but i cant adjust it there i think.. the chosen font is 10pt which is fine.
[15:29] <matyk> hey
[15:30] <voonte> ratman, make sure you have Option "UseEdidDpi" "false", then set the DPI with    Option   "DPI" "96 x 96"
[15:30] <ratman> thanks voonte i will try it!
[15:31] <voonte> persen__, yeah, that's what it shoudl be. Did you set the dpi to a fixed size?
[15:31] <persen__> tried that to.. its the font in the menus and applications thats way off.
[15:31] <persen__> icons are sized properly
[15:32] <voonte> in any particular applications or in all?
[15:33] <persen__> all
[15:33] <ratman> voonte, thanks, the dpi trick has worked!
[15:33] <ratman> you've got a new friend in spain.
[15:34] <NexaMac> !ot
[15:34] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[15:34] <jpatrick> !es | Tallen
[15:34] <ubotu> Tallen: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[15:34] <persen__> voonte, well, not in terminal.. its the size of the menus that are big i guess.
[15:34] <jpatrick> err ratman ^
[15:34] <voonte> ratman, awesome :)
[15:35] <voonte> persen__ did you try to restart the application _after_ you changed the font settings?
[15:35] <matyk> hey can someone help me with Kaffine player(tv)
[15:35] <ratman> i'm leaving the channel now, i'm setting up the rest of the system. thanks again.
[15:36] <persen__> its not the font settings i think, its the settings of the font in the menus and such i think... its probably on the biggest. had this problem before also i think.. but it came back when i installed kde4.
[15:37] <adz21c> matyk: just describe your problem and someone will help if they can
[15:37] <matyk> 15:36:54: xine: couldn't find demux for >/home/mathew/.kaxtv.ts<
[15:37] <matyk> 15:36:54: xine: found input plugin : file input plugin
[15:37] <matyk> 15:36:54: video_decoder: no plugin available to handle 'XviD'
[15:37] <matyk> 15:36:54: xine: found demuxer plugin: AVI/RIFF demux plugin
[15:37] <matyk> 15:36:54: xine: found input plugin : file input plugin
[15:37] <matyk> i get that when try wacth a channel
[15:37] <voonte> yeah, and none of the font sizes in System Settings / Appearance are off? You could also check in ~/.kde4/share/config/kdeglobals (i think) and see if any number is off there.
[15:37] <LjL> !paste | matyk
[15:37] <ubotu> matyk: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[15:38] <matyk> o sorry
[15:38] <virus> ello everyone
[15:38] <virus> can You tell me why extacly i can not upgrade kubuntu in 3rd part components?
[15:38] <tekteen> virus: hwllo
[15:39] <virus> i tryed by terminal
[15:39] <matyk> ok i get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51780/  when i try to wacth tv
[15:39] <PeP`> Hello, I'd like to delete the elements: logout, lock session, change user and execute a command from the K menu but I can't find where to change this..
[15:39] <matyk> well not that URL but the error message that is there lol
[15:39] <PeP`> I found how to delete from the applications part ok but not this lower part...
[15:39] <stdin> virus: telling us what you're trying to do and what you have tried (and what didn't work) would help
[15:40] <spiniker> anybody knows how to enable the cube?
[15:40] <virus> i found official info at site of ubuntu about resources to download
[15:40] <tekteen> PeP`: can kmenuedit do it?
[15:40] <PeP`> tekteen: NO,that's the point :/
[15:41] <stdin> PeP`: don't think you can, but ask in #kde to be sure
[15:41]  * matyk wonders if any one is going to help him
[15:41] <PeP`> At least it seem slike it can't access that lower part..
[15:41] <PeP`> ok
[15:41] <bazhang> spiniker: you have the drivers for your card and ccsm installed?
[15:41] <spiniker> i didnt do a ccsm
[15:42] <bazhang> !ccsm | spiniker
[15:42] <ubotu> spiniker: To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[15:42] <Tallen> Wow I am getting 135xx FPS on glxgears with this ATI 3850 using that 8.443 driver. Nifty.
[15:43] <spiniker> thanks..i did get compizconfig-settings -manager
[15:43]  * matyk coughs and needs help lol
[15:43] <matyk> brb
[15:44] <bazhang> that channel will help you spiniker
[15:44] <virus> sudo get-app da da da kubuntu-packages...
[15:44] <virus> smth like that
[15:44] <virus> (i might make mistake - sorry)
[15:45] <virus> i found it at official site
[15:45] <virus> anyway i tried by terminal
[15:45] <adz21c> matyk: search for xvid packages and install them
[15:45] <virus> and dpkg soft was blocked by some jsvs soft
[15:46] <virus> java*
[15:46] <Tallen> humm, it appears that the max resolution of this is 1280x1024. Odd. I have the '1680x1050' entry in the Modes line and my monitor is native 1680x1050.
[15:46] <gorbierd> Hey!
[15:46] <virus> and here we have format and reinstalation - i thought that it may be an error in instalation
[15:46] <virus> but it wasn't
[15:46] <gorbierd> How to activate send file option in Kopete&&
[15:47] <gorbierd> ?
[15:47] <virus> java soft upgrade just broke my terminal
[15:47] <gorbierd> help please
[15:47] <adz21c> gorbierd: should just be there
[15:47] <adz21c> gorbierd: what protocol?
[15:47] <gorbierd> icq
[15:47] <virus> i tried to get an *deb packages
[15:47] <gorbierd> don't know exactly
[15:47] <adz21c> gorbierd: kde kopete?
[15:47] <gorbierd> yep
[15:47] <adz21c> gorbierd: kde3*
[15:47] <gorbierd> yep
[15:48] <gorbierd> )
[15:48] <virus> but it seems to be immposiable to instal - there's no an smart packages manager
[15:48] <adz21c> gorbierd: not implemented
[15:48] <virus> so now - should i
[15:48] <gorbierd> can do somethng?
[15:48] <virus> reinstal it again and add all soft by myself - not by automatic upgrade?
[15:49] <gorbierd> may be there are some plugins &
[15:49] <gorbierd> ?
[15:49] <adz21c> gorbierd: no, it just can't send files with aim/icq, in the kde3, or atleast thats as far as i know
[15:49] <adz21c> gorbierd: maybe but i doubt it, you could search for them
[15:49] <gorbierd> strange choose ((
[15:49] <gorbierd> thank you a lot!
[15:49] <sigma_1234> are u using kopete?
[15:50] <gorbierd> yes, by the way may be there are some good alternative?
[15:50] <virus> can anyone tell me please?
[15:51] <jpatrick> Guys, KDE 4 support now in #kubuntu-kde4
[15:51] <bazhang> thanks jpatrick!
[15:51] <sigma_1234> its probably a bug. i dont think anything better exists
[15:51] <ScottG> I'm there..
[15:51] <sigma_1234> kubuntu-kde4
[15:52] <sigma_1234> jpatrick add that to the topic
[15:52] <gorbierd> ok thax
[15:52] <adz21c> sigma_1234: i thought aim file sending didn't work in kopete-kde4
[15:52] <gorbierd> thanx*
[15:52] <jpatrick> sigma_1234: it is
[15:52] <adz21c> kde3 even
[15:52] <adz21c> i know it does in kde4
[16:08] <inaety> adz21c: you can send files in the new kopete, however, i'm having issues receiving files
[16:08] <blekos> hi, anybody knows if it will be possible in future to remove kde 3.5.x and keep the kde 4.00?
[16:09] <RadiantFire> there is an extremely high probability
[16:09] <spaci76> hi@ll
[16:11] <adz21c> inaety: ditto
[16:11] <inaety> adz21c: :/
[16:12] <mroth_> hello?
[16:12] <adz21c> hi
[16:13] <mroth_> cool, the irc function in kubuntu worked easier than in straight ubuntu.
[16:13] <adz21c> :)
[16:13] <mroth_> quick question (hopefully): i've managed to make my wireless cards dissappear from the right-click menu in the kubuntu network manager resident function. how do i get 'em back?
[16:15] <sparr_> i added an entry to /etc/hosts, how can i flush whatever cache might be holding the old looked-up values for a domain?
[16:15] <virus> ok so
[16:15] <virus> how many time it will take to
[16:15] <virus> make some bug fixex in this area
[16:15] <virus> which i wrote about?
[16:16] <virus> and why no one put som package manager as SMART PACKAGE MANAGER
[16:16] <virus> stright in to Instalation of
[16:16] <virus> new kubuntu?
[16:16] <ronnie> hi all, I'm trying to setup guarddog in kubuntu as a firewall but not sure what to allow to connect to web, would it be called, DNS?  My SQL? my connection it through cable,thx
[16:17] <virus> what's the ponit of releasing a KDE version of ubuntu, without the same - major aplications?
[16:18] <mroth_> virus kubuntu and ubuntu are different operating systems. they will have different software suites.
[16:18] <virus> ok
[16:18] <virus> but i'm askin' about this
[16:18] <virus> package manager
[16:18] <LjL> !enter
[16:18] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[16:19] <mixed> anyone here that uses Quake III know how to update punk buster manually?
[16:19] <Mefistofele> I can' t install kdepim-kde4 ... adept says it breaks
[16:19] <Algyz> systemsettings-kde4: Depends: kdebase-runtime-data but it is not installable
[16:19] <mroth_> virus if you prefer to use ubuntu's package manager, it is called Synaptic. you can install synaptic and its dependencies automatically by typing sudo apt-get install synaptic
[16:19] <Algyz> :(
[16:19] <virus> in my opinion it's mistake to release a distro without a solution so important...
[16:20] <Algyz> I cannot install kde 4
[16:20] <virus> i tried - it's unworking, why?
[16:20] <LjL> !kde4 | Algyz
[16:20] <ubotu> Algyz: KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[16:20] <virus> it's no about dependences
[16:20] <theunixgeek_> Any official KDE developers here?
[16:20] <mroth_> virus what is the error message you recieve
[16:21] <parkin> virus whats wrong with adept installer and adept package manager?
[16:21] <virus> all my F**king terminal is bloked
[16:21] <virus> by
[16:21] <sparr_> theunixgeek_: assume not.
[16:21] <virus> official release of java soft
[16:21] <LjL> !enter | virus
[16:21] <ubotu> virus: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[16:21] <bazhang> virus you would want #suse for the smart package manager
[16:21] <virus> is it working on kubuntu?
[16:22] <mroth_> virus, hit ctrl+alt+f1 for a terminal if your virtuals are not working right now.
[16:22] <mroth_> virus to come back to kde use f4 ...of f6?
[16:23] <virus> ok, is it stopping all process?
[16:23] <mroth_> no it won't stop processes, it will just kick you into a terminal. its actually ctrl alt f7 to return to your X server.
[16:23] <virus> because terminal - before he shouting himself - tellin me that some proccesses are already in run
[16:24] <virus> this procceses are probably java packages instalation
[16:25] <virus> i think that polish developer had broke smth
[16:25] <virus> i can not find a number of this error
[16:25] <virus> but its another one the same situation
[16:25] <virus> few mates have da same sh*t
[16:26] <bazhang> virus: what system? 7.10? how are you installing java? via automatix?
[16:26] <virus> yep
[16:26] <virus> don't ask me - official
[16:26] <bazhang> automatix virus?
[16:26] <virus> packages of 3rd part are with it
[16:27] <virus> an command line was taken from ubuntu site
[16:27] <virus> so i guess there are some stuff prepaird by cannonical developers...
[16:27] <Bandit12> hey guys, anyone know of any cross platform (kubuntu/vista) folder encryption  software?
[16:28] <bazhang> virus: my guess would user error in this case; especially if automatix is involved
[16:28] <bazhang> Bandit12: truecrypt?
[16:28] <bazhang> !info truecrypt
[16:28] <ubotu> Package truecrypt does not exist in gutsy
[16:28] <bazhang> arg
[16:29] <virus> and i think, that if some about 25 peoples had the same problem it is not a 'human error'
[16:29] <user_> hello all.  Can anyone help me?  I need to view my Windows partition to transfer files, but when I click on that partition in "media:/", HAL refuses me to view files.  What can I do?
[16:29] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=585578&highlight=truecrypt Bandit12
[16:30] <virus> anyway i will instal ubuntu again and i will wait patiently for another one release
[16:30] <bazhang> virus: please pastebin your sources list (not here in the channel)
[16:30] <bazhang> !paste | virus
[16:30] <ubotu> virus: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[16:30] <mroth_> virus try to install the java package from source if the sources list isn't working for you.
[16:31] <bazhang> mroth_: I fear he was using automatix
[16:31] <WorgiL> hi everyone, how can i start sp a
[16:31] <virus> i woudl like to show all that but in moment i'm working at win $hit platform :(
[16:31] <WorgiL> hi everyone, how can i start asp and aspx on ubuntu server ?
[16:32] <bazhang> !language | virus
[16:32] <ubotu> virus: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[16:33] <bazhang> WorgiL: .net?
[16:33] <WorgiL> yes
[16:34] <WorgiL> bazhang: can i do ?
[16:34] <bazhang> http://www.debianadmin.com/running-aspnet-applications-in-debian-and-ubuntu-using-xsp-and-mono.html like this WorgiL?
[16:35] <virus> ok, does DVD version of kubuntu v7.10 contains all that problematic stuff?
[16:35] <virus> i mean SMART package manager
[16:35] <WorgiL> bazhang: when i install it, can i see http://www.mersinhaberci.com ?
[16:36] <bazhang> not sure WorgiL sorry
[16:37] <WorgiL> thanks
[16:37] <bazhang> no worries
[16:38] <bazhang> virus: please paste your sources list to pastebin thanks
[16:40] <Tallen> If in the xorg.log under 'Supported Vesa Video Modes' section the resolution for the screen (1680x1050) is not listed what does that mean? I am getting the feeling the ATI 8.443.1 does not support most widescreen modes. That seem possibly correct?
[16:44] <shadowh511> good morning all
[16:44] <pharaon> hi
[16:45] <shadowh511> i found the best splash screen ever
[16:45] <shadowh511> to get it google canoical usplash
[16:46] <bazhang> nice
[16:46] <shadowh511> it looks kinda like osx
[16:46] <bazhang> there is a new channel for kde4 and kubuntu...
[16:46] <shadowh511> butwith the canonical logo
[16:46] <bazhang> sweet
[16:50] <shadowh511> kde looks like windows
[16:51] <hdvalence> shadowh511: I disagree. But everyone has their own opinion, of course
[16:52] <shadowh511> i agree to that statement
[16:52] <Tallen> FYI; latest ATI driver does not support Widescreen (1680x1050) resolution. Wonderful. http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/catalyst_712_linux.html#183417
[16:54] <lovre> hi all
[16:54] <Tallen> Looks like its back to XP for me, until ATI gets the 3850 driver where it needs to be. So sad.
[16:54] <lovre> im so angry, K3B destroys about 80% of the discs i try to burn. Is there any better software for cd/dvd burning for kubuntu?
[16:55] <kadam> Good morning everyone!  The sun's out, I'm feelin' good, got my coffee... Now, I need to solve this...  I can get dual monitors working very easily (clone view) at home, but when I connect to the projector at school I can see the cloned view during boot time, and then the projector stops displaying by the time the splash screen shows...  Can anyone advise me how I can ensure the functionality of the projector come presentation time
[16:55] <kadam> tomorrow?  I was _supposed_ to present on Friday :/
[16:55] <bazhang> lovre: what brand media?
[16:55] <lewix> hi
[16:55] <jussi01> !dualhead | kadam
[16:55] <ubotu> kadam: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[16:55] <lewix> does someone her have issues with his sound
[16:56] <lewix> my sound just work for a few minutes
[16:56] <kadam> jussi01: thank you, I'll scope that...
[16:56] <lovre> bazhang: why does it matter? Media is Verbatim
[16:56] <jussi01> !xinerama | kadam
[16:56] <ubotu> kadam: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[16:56] <fester225> Before my Kubuntu box crashed I used to use Samba and NFS to look at my network. Now I've reloaded them and can't find either. Where are they?
[16:56] <lewix> it's just freezes /////most likely if I'm watching streaming videos
[16:56] <lewix> on youtube or whatever
[16:56] <lewix> I've been trying to fix it for a while now
[16:57] <lovre> bazhang: i cant rely on my burner (even tho its new), because most of cd/dvd's dont get to finish
[16:57] <lewix> everytime It happens, I kill artsd
[16:57] <bazhang> lovre: k3b works flawlessly for me--that would be one variable to investigate--what speed are you burning at, do you have it do a file check afterwards and a few others as well
[16:57] <lewix> and I don't know how to restart it
[16:57] <parkin> lewix my firefox freezes often when im on youtube
[16:57] <parkin> have to terminate and restart it
[16:57] <kadam> jussi01: I need cloned view...
[16:58] <lewix> parkin, me too...and I heard tha on linux we don't need to restart
[16:58] <lewix> but that's all I keep on doing
[16:58] <lovre> bazhang: burn speed is set to Auto, no filechecking afterwards
[16:58] <lewix> and it's annoying
[16:58] <lovre> bazhang: it just says "Error" and thats it, i trow it away
[16:58] <lovre> bazhang: sometimes it burns, but most times no
[16:59] <lovre> bazhang: should i set the speed by hand, instead of auto?
[16:59] <bazhang> lovre: data, audio cd iso files what are you burning, and setting the speed lower and checking the difference might help--are these cd-r dvd-r or the -rw or +r?
[17:00] <lovre> bazhang: i just realized i cant set the speed manually, it has only one option, and that is Auto
[17:00] <eml> I'm trying to mount an .iso file, I *think* it's a DVD. sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 (or udf) <isofile> <mountpoint> should work right?
[17:00] <lovre> im burnin simple data
[17:00] <fester225> Before my Kubuntu box crashed I used to use Samba and NFS to look at my network. Now I've reloaded them and can't find either. Where are they?
[17:00] <bazhang> lovre: that is odd--dvd-r/cd-r?
[17:01] <kadam> jussi01: The thing is that I have clone view working at home; but at school it doesn't work on the projectors.  I can't fathom why this would be, and I can't exactly test it out until tomorrow, presentation day...
[17:01] <lovre> dvd+r
[17:01] <lovre> bazhang: 16x certified
[17:01] <Lindemann> eml: "sudo mount /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mount/point -o loop" is just enough both for dvd image and regular cd image..
[17:01] <lovre> bazhang: ok, i got the menu for speed working, imma try with 4x now
[17:02] <lovre> brb
[17:02] <bazhang> lovre: hmm I use dvd-r with out any problems--cannot remember the last fail I had see if you can get lower speed as another workaround
[17:02] <lovre> bazhang: brb with results of low speed burning...
[17:02] <bazhang> lovre: okay
[17:02] <eml> Lindemann, Yeah I thought so too, but it tells me to specify filesystem type. I tried both -t iso9660 and -t udf but none of them works.
[17:03] <Lindemann> eml: may be the image is broken or..it's not an image :)
[17:03] <lewix> parkin, so are we the only one in the same situation
[17:05] <acme64> hey
[17:06] <acme64> so i installed the kde4 version off the live cd to a seperate hdd, i turned off the grub loader cuz i figured i didn't need it. Booted to the hdd and it says missing operating system
[17:06] <acme64> what did i do wrong?
[17:07] <bazhang> no grub?
[17:07] <Silouck> im trying to save a cd audio but when i drag a mp3 file says the format isnt supported
[17:07] <fester225> I loaded Samba and NFS to look at my network and can't find either. Where are they?
[17:08] <acme64> well i got windows on here and its on 2 seperate drives, so do i really need grub?
[17:09] <bazhang> acme64: you want to boot linux without grub?
[17:09] <acme64> i cant?
[17:11] <bazhang> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/redhat-fedora-linux-help/67219-running-linux-without-grub.html acme64
[17:12] <bazhang> acme64: that is for fedora, not certain that ubuntu has the same option--but yeah you need grub
[17:12] <acme64> but, i dont wanna overwrite my bootloader for windows
[17:12] <acme64> thats what i was tryin to avoid :/
[17:12] <eml> Lindemann, Well, I don't know how to open it if it's not an image :P
[17:12] <Lindemann> eml: have you tried to open it in "mc"?
[17:13] <bazhang> http://apcmag.com/6101/dualboot_windows_xp_and_ubuntu acme64
[17:13] <eml> Lindemann, I'll try that
[17:13] <bazhang> that should work for gutsy as well acme64
[17:14] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=56723 and here acme64
[17:14] <eml> Lindemann, mc tells me it's not in iso9660 format
[17:14] <eml> So no luck there
[17:14] <Lindemann> eml: i suspect that the file is corrupted :(
[17:15] <eml> Hmm, it should not be :[
[17:15] <bazhang> acme64: that get you started? :}
[17:15] <acme64> diggin through now, thanks
[17:15] <bazhang> no worries :}
[17:17] <eml> Lindemann, Ah well I worked it out, ogle can play it
[17:18] <Lindemann> eml: congrats :)
[17:19] <eml> -.-
[17:19] <crsn> hi, what is the file in ubuntu/kubuntu to edit to accept incoming X11 connections?
[17:19] <crsn> I dont see it
[17:24] <matyk> hey... i was trying to get dual montoir to work which lead to two blank screens
[17:24] <matyk> so i went in recovery and delted the xorg.conf
[17:24] <matyk> i got my screen back but
[17:24] <Thylio> I have kubuntu whit KDE 3,5. How do i update it to KDE 4?
[17:24] <matyk> when i try to get into the montoir and display
[17:24] <matyk> says error
[17:24] <LjL> !kde4 > Thylio    (Thylio, see the private message from Ubotu)
[17:24] <user01> hallo
[17:25] <matyk> hallo
[17:25] <Thylio> Thx
[17:25] <user01> ich will nvidia treiber unter kubuntu installen. kann mir da jemand helfn?
[17:25] <jpatrick> !de | user01
[17:25] <ubotu> user01: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[17:25] <LjL> !es | user01
[17:25] <ubotu> user01: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[17:25] <LjL> yeah, es
[17:25] <matyk> lol
[17:25] <Tallen> user01: eh? English please.
[17:26] <user01> f.u.
[17:26] <matyk> i have a majour problem opening montoir & display in Kubuntu
[17:27] <matyk> lol LjL imagine if that ment something in his language
[17:27] <Chousuke> well the assumption is that it was english
[17:27] <LjL> matyk: but i know it didn't, it know it was german, and can read german. i'm just so used to giving !es that i gave him !es automatically
[17:27] <fester225> I loaded Samba and NFS to look at my network and can't find either. Where are they?
[17:27] <fdoving> f and t are close on the keyboard :)
[17:28] <matyk> lol
[17:28] <matyk> anyways can any of you help
[17:29] <matyk> i deleted xorg.conf in recovery then rebooted and it gave me my screen back but i cant go in monoir and display
[17:29] <matyk> says something about old 3rd party modules lying around
[17:29] <matyk> which is a lie
[17:29] <fester225> How do I look at my network from Kubuntu?
[17:29] <matyk> and an error ocurrd during last KDE upgrade i didnt upgrade ..
[17:30] <mixed> exit
[17:31] <all> I normaly go on a channel with SwiftSwitch, why can't I go on it now?
[17:32] <senseijr> hallo
[17:33] <matyk> hey still doesnt work
[17:34]  * matyk :( needs help
[17:35] <MilitantPotato> How do you resize plasmids?
[17:35] <MilitantPotato> er, widgets
[17:35] <mixed> !mp3
[17:35] <matyk> "An error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module"
[17:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[17:35] <matyk> and i aint upgraded
[17:35] <muesli> MilitantPotato: there's a little handle next to the widget when you hover it
[17:35] <muesli> (an arrow)
[17:35] <muesli> click it, move the mouse up and down
[17:36] <draik> Hello all
[17:36] <matyk> is the KDE4 upgrade reccomeneded?
[17:36] <muesli> no
[17:36] <MilitantPotato> ah sweet, ty muesli
[17:36] <MilitantPotato> wow it needs AA badly
[17:36] <matyk> bugy?
[17:36] <SSJ_GZ> matyk: http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Is_KDE_4.0.0_Suitable_For_Regular_End-Users.3F
[17:36] <muesli> yeah and not complete
[17:36] <hydrogen> hey its a muesli!
[17:37] <muesli> hah
[17:37] <muesli> hey hydrogen
[17:37] <matyk> ah ok
[17:37] <matyk> back to my problem i want to change my screen res but can't
[17:37] <muesli> try krandrtray
[17:37] <muesli> start it and you should see a little systray icon
[17:37] <muesli> right-click it
[17:38] <MilitantPotato> SSJ_GZ: great link
[17:39] <SSJ_GZ> MilitantPotato: thanks :)  And thanks to Rudd-o for wiki-fying it :)
[17:39] <lovre> bazhang: you here
[17:39] <hydrogen> compositing window managers that don't suck are pretty fun to use :)
[17:39] <hydrogen> kwin4 is a good deal nicer to use than compiz
[17:40] <muesli> agreed
[17:40] <draik> I have a few users on my new laptop. Where do I put an app that I want all to share?
[17:40] <hydrogen>  /usr/local probably
[17:40] <draik> What do I put for the install path?
[17:40] <muesli> it's available for everyone automatically?
[17:40] <hydrogen> if you are not installing from apt
[17:40] <draik> Thank you hydrogen
[17:40] <draik> I'm not
[17:41] <matyk> i suppose ... that will do but i want to get the prooper conf thing back
[17:41] <draik> hydrogen: "No write permissions on the install directory
[17:41] <muesli> draik: sudo make install
[17:42] <lovre> bazhang: the burning at 4x was sucessfull, but that reminds me of another problem. Even when burning is successful, until i eject the DVD, my whole computer freezes for a few seconds, then unfreezes, then freezes again, and repeats that forever. K3B is giving me some hard time :(
[17:42] <draik> muesli: I'm installing Uplink. It's a GUI install
[17:42] <WorgiL> i installed asp.net 2.0. When i want open some pages, it starting donwload. How can i solve ?
[17:42] <muesli> start the installer as root then
[17:42] <draik> muesli: ./uplink
[17:42] <draik> Would that allow my user accounts access?
[17:43] <muesli> no
[17:43] <draik> Then I can't
[17:43] <muesli> cause /usr/local is only writable by root
[17:43] <matyk> http://mathewkeeton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pics/snapshot1.png
[17:43] <matyk> need a fix for that lol
[17:43] <lovre> is kde4 out yet?
[17:43] <hydrogen> you can run it as your user
[17:43] <hydrogen> you just can't install it as the user
[17:43] <muesli> matyk: did you click the admin mode button?
[17:43] <draik> I need something that can be written by all users and can be accessed just the same
[17:44] <MilitantPotato> lovre: yes, its not complete though, as is to be expected
[17:44] <muesli> draik: well you could make the install dir writable by everyone
[17:44] <muesli> but really, then the program is broken
[17:44] <muesli> the program should run from /usr/local
[17:44] <lovre> MilitantPotato: how do i install it?
[17:44] <muesli> but should write to each user's home directory
[17:44] <lovre> MilitantPotato: or upgrade to it
[17:44] <MilitantPotato> !kde4 | lovre
[17:44] <ubotu> lovre: KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[17:45] <MilitantPotato> lovre: I'd try the live CD first, it's pretty lacking in features and stability
[17:45] <draik> I guess I will install it separately on each profile
[17:45] <muesli> draik: i think you misunderstand the problem
[17:46] <lovre> MilitantPotato: can i easily upgrade from adept?
[17:46] <muesli> draik: just install it as root once
[17:46] <muesli> and then each user will be able to use it
[17:46] <lovre> MilitantPotato: or do i need to do another inallation
[17:46] <draik> muesli: Thanks. That's what I needed.
[17:46] <muesli> draik: that's what we're trying to say since 10 minues ;-)
[17:46] <MilitantPotato> lovre: yea, follow those links ubotu put out
[17:46] <MilitantPotato> lovre: it does some annoying things to KDE3.5 for me though
[17:47] <lovre> MilitantPotato: im downloading live cd.
[17:47] <lovre> MilitantPotato: if i install kde4 over kde3.5, and if i install kde4 on clean partition, will there be any differences between those two?
[17:48] <draik> muesli: As I just did it through root, it automatically suggested /usr/local/games/uplink
[17:48] <muesli> yeah sounds fine
[17:48] <muesli> lovre: no, not really. you actually don't install it over kde 3.5, you install it parallely
[17:48] <muesli> and then you can choose when logging in
[17:49] <reaperdragon> hello
[17:49] <lovre> muesli: so, if i want kde4, i have to make a fresh install and configure everything again, and install all my software again...?
[17:49] <muesli> no?
[17:49] <WorgiL> i installed asp.net 2.0. When i want open some pages, it starting donwload. How can i solve ? can anyone help me http://turkishzen.com/deneme/yonetim/login_pass.asp it is page.
[17:49] <muesli> you install it parallely as mentioned
[17:49] <reaperdragon> can anyone give me some advice on how to get some nice graphic effects for kd4
[17:50] <draik> "Could not initialize SDL Video: Couldn't find matching GLX visual." What does this mean?
[17:50] <jpatrick> !kde4 > reaperdragon
[17:50] <lovre> draik: maybe sdl library is not installed?
[17:50] <muesli> sounds more like opengl ain't available to me
[17:51] <muesli> but i could be wrong there
[17:51] <lovre> dunno
[17:52] <lovre> muesli: im not sure what you mean parralely? you mean so i can choose which to use when loging in?
[17:52] <muesli> lovre: yes
[17:52] <flowers> hello everyone
[17:52] <lovre> muesli: what about new software versions, if any come with kde4
[17:53] <muesli> the same
[17:53] <muesli> you can choose which one to run
[17:53] <muesli> you get both versions in the menu
[17:53] <flowers> topic?
[17:53] <muesli> so you can run konqueror4 in kde3 and vice versa, konqueror3 in kde4
[17:53] <lovre> muesli: i see. And how much disc space does it require?
[17:54] <reaperdragon> kd4 isn't that great yet to be honest
[17:54] <reaperdragon> let it update itself
[17:54] <reaperdragon> and let more users use it
[17:54] <reaperdragon> then you will see alot of great things happen on it
[17:54] <reaperdragon> it just recently came out
[17:54] <lovre> what do you think, when will it be complete, bugwise?
[17:54] <santikiri> Escriba el texto aquí....haber si alguien me orienta es compatible tener los dos sistemas operativos , es decir windows xp y ubuntu
[17:55] <reaperdragon> well right now just a few bugs
[17:55] <reaperdragon> nothing bad
[17:55] <lovre> minor?
[17:55] <muesli> lovre: as a normal user you might want to wait till 4.1 probably
[17:55] <reaperdragon> nothing that will break you heart
[17:55] <lovre> muesli: i see..
[17:55] <MilitantPotato> Annoying but minor lovre here
[17:55] <dorkface> !es
[17:55] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[17:55] <reaperdragon> i enjoy it
[17:55] <santikiri> alguien que hable español??
[17:55] <MilitantPotato> I can't launch anything that requires root from the Kmenu, very few widgets/applets, but otherwise it's decent
[17:56] <lovre> does it behave better with compiz? cuz i have some bugs with compiz&kde3.5
[17:56] <muesli> it basically comes with kwin4
[17:56] <MilitantPotato> I really like the new dolphin, even though they nerfed konq
[17:56] <muesli> which i see superior to any compiz / beryl
[17:56] <MilitantPotato> It seems like they made konq for browsing, and dolphin for local files
[17:56] <draik> lovre: Would you know which SDL library I need? Seems that I have quite a few installed, but not the -devs
[17:56] <lovre> where can i check kwin4, i have never heard of it
[17:56] <muesli> well
[17:56] <muesli> you will run it when installing kde4
[17:56] <muesli> it's the default window manager
[17:57] <lovre> draik: you dont need the devs to run
[17:57] <muesli> just like kwin3 used to be for kde3
[17:57] <lovre> i see
[17:57] <muesli> lovre: just go to the system settings, desktop
[17:57] <draik> lovre: Right. I have the others installed, not -devs
[17:57] <MilitantPotato> i prefer compiz over the included desktop effects
[17:57] <muesli> lovre: there enable the "desktop effects"
[17:57] <MilitantPotato> I'm probably alone there though.
[17:58] <lovre> i have some bugs with compiz, the tray icons are flying on the desktop, and sometimes it crashes
[17:58] <blekos> !kde > blekos
[17:58] <MilitantPotato> I have the same bugs with Kwin4 as compiz.
[17:59] <lovre> muesli: i dont see "desktop effects" there
[17:59]  * MilitantPotato curses ATI.
[17:59] <lovre> muesli: maybe cuz compiz is installed?
[17:59] <reaperdragon> i dont see it either
[17:59] <reaperdragon> and im on a fresh install
[17:59] <MilitantPotato> if you installed KDE4-core only you'll need a couple other packages i think
[18:00] <reaperdragon> can u tell me them
[18:00] <reaperdragon> or an idea
[18:00] <lovre> ffs, why does my comp freeze when burning is over, until i eject cd---
[18:00] <MilitantPotato> let me check, i spent 30 mins going through the packages
[18:00] <reaperdragon> ok thank you very much
[18:01] <reaperdragon> lover that sounds like a  simply config what type of burner you using
[18:02] <flowers> i have a question about hal, would anyone mind helping me out? i dont' want to throw off the channels topic
[18:02] <stdin> flowers: probably better off asking in #ubuntu-devel
[18:03] <acactown> hello
[18:03] <flowers> stdin: i'll try there thanks
[18:04] <Silouck> cant add mp3 files to create an audio cd in k3bm, says format not supported, any help?
[18:05] <Silouck> i get this:  Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format:
[18:05] <Silouck> You may manually convert these audio files to wave using another application supporting the audio format and then add the wave files to the K3b project.
[18:05] <flowers> does anyone know how to make a usb drive mount automatically? i need to manually mount it every time i boot
[18:06] <stdin> Silouck: install "libk3b2-extracodecs" (Gutsy) "libk3b2-mp3" (Feisty)
[18:06] <MilitantPotato> reaperdragon: no idea man, sorry.
[18:07] <TimS> Could anyone tell me why when my DVD drive and DVDs are capeable of 16x, it only burns arround 4-6x
[18:07] <TimS> 8x now
[18:07] <draik> TimS: It's because you have it set to Auto. You can specify 16x if you want.
[18:08] <TimS> I have it set to 16x actualy.
[18:08] <stdin> depends on what speed the data is accessed from your hard drive too
[18:08] <draik> Then I'm out.
[18:08] <MilitantPotato> I've never had a 16x burn go at 16x
[18:08] <MilitantPotato> It always seems to go a fair bit slower, windows and linux
[18:08] <TimS> Ah, stdin, that could be it, I am copying a DVD, but its copied to an ISO first, then burning the iso
[18:12] <draik> My full dvds burn in under 3 minutes. I don't check the speed since its been obviously quicker than when I was using windows.
[18:13] <Silouck> stdin: i continue getting the same message
[18:13] <draik> Full dual layers burned in just under 5 minutes.
[18:13] <stdin> Silouck: you have to restart k3b after installing the package
[18:14] <corinth> Amarok skips a few seconds ahead into the song instead of playing from the very beginning unless started manually. I've had this problem on different installations/distrobutions. Help?
[18:14] <draik> My error message persists. ~~~Xlib:    extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".~~~
[18:15] <draik> ~~~Could not initialize SDL Video: Couldn't find matching GLX visual.~~~
[18:15] <lewix> hi
[18:15] <draik> What am I missing?
[18:15] <MilitantPotato> drivers?
[18:16] <draik> I'm using ATI.
[18:16] <MilitantPotato> Joy :)
[18:16] <draik> For the video driver
[18:16] <MilitantPotato> which ones?
[18:16] <MilitantPotato> 7.11 from ATI's website or the repo?
[18:16] <draik> Let me check
[18:16] <draik> repo
[18:16] <MilitantPotato> you don't have AIGLX support
[18:16] <draik> How do I get it?
[18:16] <MilitantPotato> I know for compiz you need XGL
[18:17] <draik> I've not had ATI before, this is my first.
[18:17] <MilitantPotato> You could install the ones from ATI's site and deal with the bugs
[18:17] <draik> or?
[18:17] <MilitantPotato> or Install XGL, although I've no idea if KWIN4 works with it
[18:17] <lovre> !burn
[18:17] <ubotu> CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus-CD-Burner, GToaster, xcdroast (GNOME), wodim (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[18:17] <MilitantPotato> !xgl
[18:17] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[18:17] <MilitantPotato> xserver-xgl is the package
[18:18] <MilitantPotato> you'll lose the shutdown/restart/suspend buttons in the logout screen
[18:18] <lovre> what is the best alternative to K3B?
[18:18] <emilsedgh> alternative to K3B?
[18:18] <emilsedgh> whats the matter with k3b?
[18:18] <MilitantPotato> GnomeBaker maybe?
[18:18] <MilitantPotato> whats the matter with k3b? +1
[18:19] <maxym> !fr
[18:19] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[18:19] <lovre> i have many problems with k3b, it ruins 90% of my DVD-s
[18:19] <lovre> :(
[18:19] <MilitantPotato> Burn slower :)
[18:19] <lovre> i did
[18:19] <MilitantPotato> Update your DVD drives firmware?
[18:20] <lovre> i tried at 6x now, it doesnt even start burning data, it just says Error, and dvd is not usable
[18:20] <MilitantPotato> ouch
[18:20] <lovre> MilitantPotato: you thing that would solve the problem?  its not old
[18:21] <lovre> im crazy cuz this, need to burn some DVDs, and im just filling my trash can
[18:21] <lovre> with dvds
[18:22] <draik> MilitantPotato: I install xserver-xgl and it still gives me the same error message
[18:22] <MilitantPotato> Logout and backin draik
[18:22] <draik> What bugs am I to expect with the drivers from ATi's site?
[18:22] <draik> Restart X once I'm logged out?
[18:22] <MilitantPotato> Video flickering/tearing with desktop effects enabled in KWIN and Compiz
[18:23] <MilitantPotato> Verrrry bad lag when browsing in firefox with compiz/desktop effects
[18:23] <draik> I don't use compiz
[18:23] <MilitantPotato> Desktop effects does the same
[18:23] <draik> I loved beryl, but that's gone
[18:23] <MilitantPotato> in Kwin
[18:23] <MilitantPotato> beryl got picked up in compiz-fusion, sorta
[18:23] <lewix> ok
[18:24] <lewix> what's a symlink
[18:24] <lewix> how do I know the kubuntu version im using
[18:24] <draik> I tried it, but didn't care for it so now it's all just kwin
[18:24] <MilitantPotato> draik: the only downside to XGL i've found is it uses more memory and messes up the logout screen
[18:25] <MilitantPotato> give XGL a try before messing with the drivers, and make a backup before trying the drivers if you decide too
[18:25] <lovre> if i install a cd burner thats made for gnome, will it work on dke
[18:25] <draik> Hmmm
[18:25] <lovre> kde
[18:25] <MilitantPotato> Rolling back to the repo drivers has caused issues for some people
[18:25] <MilitantPotato> lovre: you'll probably need to install a large portion of gnome
[18:25] <draik> I just logged out, then restart X. I entered my password and now I don't have the splash screen with everything loading. It's just sitting there with it's pretty background and the mouse.
[18:25] <MilitantPotato> but I'm just guessing.
[18:26] <lovre> MilitantPotato: so what am i going to do now.... trow my comp trough window..
[18:26] <romunov> any tips on how to upgrade to the new kde?
[18:26] <romunov> if that's recommended at all...
[18:26] <parkin> see topic^
[18:26] <MilitantPotato> lovre: I'd try a firmware update, especially if it's a new drive, and maybe get some decent DVD's, like Verbatim
[18:27] <lovre> MilitantPotato: i got Verbatim
[18:27] <MilitantPotato> romunov: not recommended, but easy to do
[18:27] <lovre> MilitantPotato: and k3b is destroying my verbatims :(
[18:27] <draik> I use a memorex burner with memorex dvds. Never had an issue
[18:27] <lovre> MilitantPotato: why update if its new?
[18:27] <parkin> romunov: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[18:27] <ScorpKing> stdin: you here?
[18:27] <stdin> ScorpKing: yeah
[18:27] <romunov> parkin: thanks, i'll check it out
[18:27] <ScorpKing> stdin: just wanna say thanks for helping with the kde4 packages for kubuntu. it's really appreciated. :D
[18:27] <MilitantPotato> lovre: because new drives are far from programmed right, many will make loads of coasters untill a firmware update fixes it.
[18:27] <draik> MilitantPotato: Ok. I got nothing. It's sitting there and not loading.
[18:28] <MilitantPotato> lovre: do some googling on your drive, see if it's a common problem
[18:28] <DrVince> How could I reverse my primary and secondary display?
[18:28] <stdin> ScorpKing: no problem :)
[18:28] <ScorpKing> :)
[18:28] <draik> ...? I just got taken back to the login screen
[18:28] <MilitantPotato> draik: is composite set to 0 in your xorg.conf ?
[18:28] <Greenery> i have problems with my KDE4, I can't load to KDE4 nor can I load KDE4 apps in KDE 3.5. It keeps showing crash handler
[18:29] <draik> Wish I could tell you, but I'm locked out from accessing anything here
[18:29] <MilitantPotato> ctrl+alt+f1
[18:29] <MilitantPotato> is this on a 2nd computer draik>?
[18:29] <draik> Yes
[18:29] <draik> It's on the laptop
[18:29] <MilitantPotato> ctrl+alt+f7 i believe brings you back to the desktop
[18:29] <MilitantPotato> ok
[18:29] <MilitantPotato> do ctrl+alt+f1
[18:29] <MilitantPotato> login
[18:30] <MilitantPotato> then sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:30] <MilitantPotato> Section "Extensions"
[18:30] <MilitantPotato> 	Option		"Composite"	"disable"
[18:30] <MilitantPotato> EndSection
[18:30] <MilitantPotato> that should be somewhere in it, bottom probably?
[18:30] <draik> CTRL+ALT+F1 does nothing.
[18:30] <draik> I am staring at my login screen
[18:30] <TimS> Whats the command to extract a DVD to an iso?
[18:30] <draik> Got it
[18:30] <draik> Console login
[18:30] <MilitantPotato> yea
[18:30] <Autoscum> Hello, everyone! :)
[18:30] <MilitantPotato> Hello Autoscum
[18:31] <Autoscum> I got a problem with "Add/Remove Programs," it won't let me make any changes...
[18:31] <MilitantPotato> KDE4?
[18:31] <Autoscum> It doesn't ask me for my password.
[18:31] <Autoscum> I think.. :)
[18:31] <Autoscum> I got 7.10
[18:31] <MilitantPotato> did you go about installing KDE4?
[18:31] <Autoscum> No.
[18:31] <Autoscum> I just installed the system and nothing else. :p
[18:32] <Autoscum> Whatever comes with the 7.10 is here.
[18:32] <Autoscum> =)
[18:32] <draik> MilitantPotato: Seems that I have nothing more than a zoomed-in look of a small section to the login. Nothing moves. It asked for my UN, then PW and then I have my last login. That's all. I see nothing else.
[18:32] <MilitantPotato> try kdesudo adept_installer in a shell
[18:32] <MilitantPotato> shift+page down
[18:33] <Greenery> stdin: could u help me with my KDE4?
[18:33] <MilitantPotato> oh wait
[18:33] <MilitantPotato> in ctrl+alt+f1 draik?
[18:33] <Autoscum> Didn't work, MilitantPotato
[18:33] <draik> Yes
[18:34] <MilitantPotato> draik: did you login?
[18:34] <stdin> Greenery: /join #kubuntu-kde4
[18:34] <Greenery> ok thanks
[18:34] <dorkface> Does the startup sound have to be an .ogg file?
[18:34] <draik> I got it now. It seems that 1280x768 is being displayed on 800x600
[18:35] <MilitantPotato> draik: is it the GUI login or a black screen?
[18:35] <Viperno_175598> http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=7572736 please donate, i will donate back
[18:35] <draik> MilitantPotato: I am looking at the xorg.conf file
[18:35] <Viperno_175598> http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=7572736 please donate, i will donate back
[18:35] <draik> It's all messed up
[18:35] <MilitantPotato> Any mods?
[18:35] <Autoscum> So, anyone else have any other ideas?
[18:35] <draik> I see block faces
[18:35] <Autoscum> wow, k-lined
[18:35] <draik> hearts
[18:35] <MilitantPotato> draik: when you hit ctrl+alt+f1 does a black screen come up with a login prompt?
[18:35] <Autoscum> Repeat: I got a problem with "Add/Remove Programs," it won't let me make any changes... It doesn't even ask me for my password...
[18:36] <draik> Black background, but the faces are either in various colors
[18:36] <MilitantPotato> Autoscum: sudo killall adept_installer
[18:36] <MilitantPotato> then try again
[18:36] <draik> Yes, I logged in, sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:36] <Autoscum> Okay. :)
[18:36] <lovre> erm, i dont know how to update firmware, there is only .exe format on official webpage
[18:36] <lovre> ??
[18:36] <draik> I am looking at the file right now, but it's all messed up
[18:37] <Autoscum> Didn't work again, MilitantPotato... :/
[18:37] <MilitantPotato> lovre: have a windows computer handy?
[18:37] <MilitantPotato> draik: all mess up as in..?
[18:38] <MilitantPotato> Autoscum: tried a reboot yet?
[18:38] <Autoscum> Yeah...
[18:38] <draik> I am seeing hearts and block faces
[18:38] <lovre> MilitantPotato: yes. should i upgrade from windows?
[18:38] <ScorpKing> Autoscum: from konsole run kdesudo adept_installer
[18:38] <pauljw> lovre: if you don't know what you're doing, don't mess with firmware updates or you might end up with a doorstop for a computer.
[18:38] <draik> I got it now, though. I hope.
[18:38] <MilitantPotato> lovre: if they only have an EXE, yes
[18:38] <Autoscum> ScorpKing: I already tried that...
[18:38] <draik> Where am I to find the section I am to modify?
[18:38] <MilitantPotato> draik: probably near the bottom.
[18:38] <MilitantPotato> Section "Extensions"
[18:38] <MilitantPotato> 	Option		"Composite"	"disable"
[18:38] <MilitantPotato> EndSection
[18:38] <MilitantPotato> is what it should read
[18:38] <ScorpKing> Autoscum: did it show any errors or messages?
[18:38] <draik> I don't see it
[18:38] <stdin> Autoscum:  no need for konsole, press Alt-F2
[18:39] <lovre> MilitantPotato: what are the riscs of cd/dvd drive firmware update?
[18:39] <Autoscum> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-george" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. That's what the console echoes.
[18:39] <stdin> that's normal for kdesudo
[18:39] <Autoscum> Okay, but it still doesn't work...
[18:39] <ali> hello
[18:40] <stdin> Autoscum: does it say anything else?
[18:40] <MilitantPotato> lovre: I'm sure all that is located on the website
[18:40] <Autoscum> I need to install the Firefox Web Browser and Adept doesn't find it. I find it in the Adept Installer, but that won't work...
[18:40] <Autoscum> Err, just a second, stdin.
[18:40] <MilitantPotato> lovre: I guess if the PC crashes during a flash it could break the burner..?
[18:41] <Autoscum> Nope, it just says it created lists.
[18:41] <lovre> MilitantPotato: yes, that should be true.
[18:41] <lovre> MilitantPotato: what do you think how long does it take?
[18:41] <MilitantPotato> Mine took about 3 mins
[18:42] <lovre> MilitantPotato: ill try it. Going to windows now... cya later
[18:42] <MilitantPotato> make sure you kill every program you can
[18:42] <MilitantPotato> in task manager.
[18:42] <ScorpKing> Autoscum: maybe try sudo apt-get update again. somehow that rings a bell..
[18:42] <MilitantPotato> virus scanner especially
[18:42] <draik> MilitantPotato: I'm restarting
[18:42]  * ScorpKing thinks..
[18:42] <draik> I can't make heads or tails of anything
[18:42] <lovre> MilitantPotato: howbout loging in safemode?
[18:42] <lovre> or no
[18:42] <MilitantPotato> draik: ok, see if logging into KDE3 gives you a black screen
[18:42] <MilitantPotato> I wouldn't lovre
[18:42] <draik> I don't have kde4
[18:43] <lovre> MilitantPotato: ok, thanx, ill be back soon
[18:43] <Autoscum> ScorpKing: E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[18:43] <draik> I don't have the kubuntu scrolling screen
[18:43] <Autoscum> I'll restart X and try again. :)
[18:43] <ScorpKing> Autoscum: close adept
[18:43] <Autoscum> Oh
[18:43] <Autoscum> Right. =D
[18:43] <Autoscum> Reading package lists... Done
[18:44] <Autoscum> And it ends.
[18:44] <ScorpKing> Autoscum: now try it again
[18:44] <ScorpKing> adept that is
[18:44] <Autoscum> Still nothing...
[18:44] <Autoscum> o.0
[18:45] <ScorpKing> Autoscum: are you the only user on that box?
[18:45] <Autoscum> Yeah, it's a newly installed system.
[18:45] <Autoscum> Just 30 minutes ago.
[18:46] <ScorpKing> Autoscum: that's weird and i'm out of ideas :(
[18:46] <Autoscum> Yeah...
[18:46] <Autoscum> :(
[18:46] <nwps> can anyone help; i just moved from gentoo to hardy alpha 3. i have a encrypted partition from gentoo that uses cryptoloop, but i can't seem to be able to mount it on kubuntu. cryptoloop and aes-generic modules are loaded, but i still get "mount: you must specify the filesystem type". any ideas?
[18:47] <faris> Hello, When i connect to my yahoo account in kopete it connects for about 2 seconds then remote host closes connection ny help?
[18:47] <stdin> nwps: hardy help only in #ubuntu+1
[18:47] <Autoscum> Well - adept said that the mozilla-firefox package was installed and I told it (Adept) to uninstall it after which it crashed and started fooling around...
[18:48] <kanibal> how do you download programs in kde4 since the adept manager wants a root password?
[18:48] <ScorpKing> nwps: you have to modprobe cryptoloop first and then sudo losetup -e <sypher> .....and the rest. it might be that the defult encryption isn't the same on kubuntu
 cant u just use command line
[18:48] <jhutchins> !kdesu | kanibal
[18:48] <ubotu> kanibal: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[18:48] <stdin> kanibal: /join #kubuntu-kde4
 this happend to me I made a root password which might be insecure but yea
[18:49] <stdin> don't do that....
[18:49] <kanibal> ok
[18:49] <faris> as i said insecure
[18:50] <jhutchins> faris: There are other problems as well.  If you run gui apps as root you're likely to make problems for yourself.
[18:50] <root324> hi
[18:50] <MilitantPotato> draik: any news?
[18:50] <jhutchins> See the above link for examples.
[18:50] <Autoscum> MilitantPotato: Update: I can remove packages, but not add any...
[18:50] <Autoscum> Does that ring any bells?
 i see I really do this anyway
[18:50] <jhutchins> nwps: Did you try specifying the filesystem type?
[18:51] <jhutchins> nwps: Is the filesystem listed in /proc/filesystems?
[18:51] <jussi01> !tab > faris
[18:51] <Autoscum> !firefox
[18:51] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[18:51] <BluesKaj> I don't understand why kde4 asks for a root pw upon launching GUI apps anyway ...why is this ?
[18:51] <XBehave> firefox flash doesnt have sound anymore , it did earlier today how do i fix it?
[18:52] <Autoscum> XBehave: Re-install the plugin.
[18:52] <XBehave> reinstall isnt that abit drastic
[18:52] <MilitantPotato> XBehave: tried a reboot?
[18:53] <Autoscum> XBehave: It's the ultimate problem solver. :)
[18:53] <XBehave> was sorto hoping for an actual solution but reboot if thats easiest
[18:53] <MilitantPotato> XBehave: try sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[18:54] <Autoscum> MilitantPotato: So, no ideas, huh? :(
[18:55] <MilitantPotato> XBehave: uhm...try..
[18:55] <MilitantPotato> close all adept programs
[18:55] <XBehave> im still trying restarting alsa my systems abit slow
[18:56] <Autoscum> !fix adept
[18:56] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[18:56] <Autoscum> err
[18:56] <sinthetek> does anyone know much about xorg/graphics issues?
[18:56] <MilitantPotato> sorta Sin
[18:57] <MilitantPotato> no expert but I've mucked with it a lot lately
[18:57] <Autoscum> !fixadept
[18:57] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[18:57] <nosrednaekim> sinthetek: a bit
[18:57] <sinthetek> MilitantPotato: for some reason kdm will start but i cannot get regular user's x sesisons to work for some reason (problem occurred after a recent upgrade)
[18:58] <sinthetek> i've tried reconfiguring xorg and using different drivers in xorg.conf but cannot figure it out
[18:58] <sinthetek> (this is with s3 unichrome and via/openchrome drivers)
[18:58] <XBehave> sinthetek: do you have enough disk space
[18:59] <sinthetek> the only errors i am seeing in Xorg.log are: (WW) VIA(0): [XvMC] Not supported on this chipset. (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x22
[18:59] <sinthetek> hmm...
[18:59] <sinthetek> never knew diskspace could be an issue but it does look like /home is full, hah
[18:59] <sinthetek> you'd think the log would notify that somehow... :P
[19:00]  * sinthetek tries freeing some space
[19:00] <MilitantPotato> draik: any progress?
[19:00] <draik> MilitantPotato: Yes and no
[19:00] <draik> I'm using failsafe right now
[19:01] <draik> I just logged in
[19:01] <draik> I have a konsole window which seems to make things visibly cleaner
[19:01] <draik> Nowhere do I have Extensions, though
[19:01] <draik> Add it?
[19:01] <MilitantPotato> if you're logged in you can use kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:02] <draik> Nano looks good. Besides, I need to get back in touch with CLI
[19:02] <MilitantPotato> :)
[19:02] <draik> Should I add what you provided?
[19:02] <Autoscum> I'm back.
[19:02] <MilitantPotato> if you don't have that in there, give it a try
[19:02] <MilitantPotato> also make sure the Device section for your video card has fglrx as the driver
[19:02] <MilitantPotato> or, pastebin it
[19:02] <Autoscum> The adept_installer asked me for root access, but I still can't make changes...
[19:03] <MilitantPotato> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb
[19:03] <MilitantPotato> with adept closed auto
[19:03] <MilitantPotato> see what that does
[19:03] <draik> Done
[19:03] <MilitantPotato> restart X, see how that goes
[19:03] <draik> What should I do about not viewing the Kubuntu scrolling bar?
[19:04] <MilitantPotato> at login?
[19:04] <Autoscum> Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[19:04] <MilitantPotato> at the login screen*
[19:04] <Autoscum> E: Package firefox has no installation candidate
[19:04] <Autoscum> =(
[19:04] <MilitantPotato> !fixrepo
[19:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixrepo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:04] <MilitantPotato> hm
[19:04] <Autoscum> !fix repo
[19:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fix repo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:04] <Autoscum> ?
[19:04] <Autoscum> Darn..
[19:04] <sinthetek> omg, it was diskspace!
[19:04] <draik> MilitantPotato: When I first power up, choose my kernel (generic, btw) then its black/blank then I see the login screen
[19:04] <nosrednaekim> !source-o-matic
[19:04] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[19:05] <MilitantPotato> there it is :)
[19:05] <sinthetek> like 2 days i been trying to figure this out, reinstalling etc, haha
[19:05] <MilitantPotato> ty nos
[19:05] <draik> MilitantPotato: Nope. Still nothing. I do not have the splash screen which displays what is being started
[19:05] <MilitantPotato> desktop never loads either draik?
[19:05] <draik> Nope
[19:05] <sinthetek> soon as he mentioned it i sorta knew that could be it
[19:05] <sinthetek> anyway, thanks for help/suggestions
[19:06] <draik> It stays here for a while then takes me back to the login screen
[19:06] <draik> Do I have to reinstall everything?
[19:06] <draik> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    maybe?
[19:06] <Autoscum> Where is the sources.list file again?
[19:06] <Autoscum> =D
[19:07] <MilitantPotato> draik:  have you tried a full restart?
[19:07] <draik> Autoscum: /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:07] <draik> MilitantPotato: Many times
[19:07] <nosrednaekim>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:07] <MilitantPotato> could you pastebin your xorg.conf ?
[19:07] <lovre> how to see if my dvd burner is using DMA?
[19:07] <draik> Hello nosrednaekim
[19:07] <Autoscum> Me, MilitantPotato?
[19:07] <nosrednaekim> hey draik
[19:08] <draik> MilitantPotato: Would if I could, but can't.
[19:08] <Greenery> how do i set that every images opens up with GwenView first?
[19:09] <MilitantPotato> ctrl+alt+f1 and sudo apt-get remove xserver-xgl
[19:09] <draik> Also, why is it that when I tell my laptops to either restart or shutdown, they don't. They terminate the session, go to the "unloading" screen where the bar goes backwards, then sits there. It neither shutsdown or reboots.
[19:09] <lovre>  !dam
[19:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dam - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:09] <lovre> !dma
[19:09] <ubotu> dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. It makes hard disks & optical drives transfer data faster, and is almost always enabled in Ubuntu 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA
[19:09] <MilitantPotato> no idea there draik...
[19:09] <MilitantPotato> hey draik, ask in #compiz-fusion about the black screen with an ATI card and XGL
[19:10] <WeeJay> Can someone please tell me how I can get Adobe flash working with Opera or Konqueror?
[19:10] <nosrednaekim> draik: how far does the bar go down?
[19:10] <Autoscum> Thank you MilitantPotato, Firefox was installed. :)
[19:10] <draik> nosrednaekim: The bar goes all the way back. It just sits there
[19:10] <MilitantPotato> It sounds like your video card might not be supported by the drivers you have installed, which would prevent you from loading XGL
[19:10] <nosrednaekim> !flash
[19:10] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[19:10] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[19:10] <draik> I just shutdown the laptop by holding down the power button.
[19:10] <WeeJay> thanks
[19:10] <draik> I don't know what it's doing right now since it's a blank screen
[19:11] <nosrednaekim> draik: I have noticed that with serveral distros/laptops. I think it has to do with buggy BIOS's
[19:11] <nosrednaekim> or ACPI
[19:11] <draik> This is where it would show Kubuntu in blue with the scrolling bar
[19:11] <nosrednaekim> in either case, its not harmful to hard power it off at that state
[19:11] <draik> I only cross my fingers and hope for the login screen
[19:12] <MilitantPotato> draik: what video card does it have?
[19:12] <draik> ATi
[19:12] <MilitantPotato> ATI Mobility...?
[19:12] <MilitantPotato> what version?
[19:12] <draik> One sec
[19:12] <lovre> how do i know if my burner is hdc or hdd?
[19:13] <draik> "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY"
[19:13] <biovore> is it master of slave on the secondary IDE controller
[19:13] <lovre> not sure, i think slave
[19:13] <biovore> draik: probably screwed.. ATI mobility dosn't work very well on linux..
[19:14] <crimsun> ubotu: dma =~ s/ disks \& optical drives/ware/
[19:15] <draik> xserver-xgl removed
[19:16] <draik> That did it
[19:16] <draik> xserver-xgl was the issue
[19:16] <WeeJay> ubotu: Download done.md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gzThe Flash plugin is NOT installed.dpkg run finished!
[19:16] <MilitantPotato> draik: XGL causing that problem is probably from Either the wrong drivers, or poor support of your hardware from those drivers.
[19:17] <WeeJay> Oh great...the flash plugin md5sum fails
[19:17] <draik> MilitantPotato: Now that I have a GUI, would you like to see my xorg.conf?
[19:17] <nosrednaekim> !flash WeeJay
[19:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash weejay - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:17] <nosrednaekim> !flash | WeeJay
[19:17] <ubotu> WeeJay: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[19:17] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[19:17] <MilitantPotato> draik: sure :)
[19:17] <MilitantPotato> draik: also, fglrxinfo, and glxinfo | grep direct
[19:18] <draik> fglrxinfo:  sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx          do it?
[19:18] <MilitantPotato> ?
[19:19] <MilitantPotato> that's what it spit out?
[19:19] <navetz> can someone help me get kmail to work with my msn.com email account
[19:21] <MilitantPotato> draik: when you did fglrxinfo what did it say?
[19:21] <draik> That's what it said
[19:21] <draik> not installed
[19:23] <draik> MilitantPotato: Sorry for the delay, had to configure firefox. Here is my link:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51802/
[19:23] <ThipThip> Hello everyone.  I think I'd like to switch to KDE, but I have no idea what to do or where to begin.  I'm a very new Ubuntu user and I'm working with a fresh Ubuntu installation.  Can someone point me in the right direction?
[19:24] <draik> ThipThip: Logout. Change your session type to KDE and then login to your computer
[19:24] <draik> That should do it
[19:24] <corinth> ThipThip: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[19:24] <SSJ_GZ> ThipThip: You can run KDE and GNOME side-by-side: no need to "switch" just yet :)
[19:25] <draik> ThipThip: Sorry, I read that wrong. I thought you had it installed
[19:25] <lovre> i just realised that there is a NeroLinux edition. What do you ppl think of it? Besides that its not free.. :(
[19:26] <muesli> lovre: try it, you'll know yourself in 5 minutes
[19:26] <muesli> i don't think anyone who's seen k3b would ever use it
[19:26] <draik> How do I modify my sudoers file so that I don't get asked for su's password?
[19:27] <ThipThip> No problem.  OK, so to be honest, I don't 100% understand precisely what a "window manager" is and what the differences are.  Could someone either give me a rundown or point me to a document which will give a very beginner-oriented description?  (Note: I'm not new to computers, just to Linux)
[19:27] <rothchild> ThipThip:  you just need to install kubuntu-desktop package
[19:27] <MilitantPotato> !ati
[19:27] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[19:28] <nosrednaekim> ThipThip: well, basically the difference is everything you graphicall see. say "explorer.exe" was ported to linux, that would be another windowmanager
[19:28] <draik> ThipThip: Ubuntu=GNOME=Mac-ish look     Kubuntu=KDE=windows-sh look     That is the "window manager"
[19:28] <SSJ_GZ> ThipThip: Here's a very short guide that some people find helpful: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kdegnome
[19:28] <surgy> im trying to burn a cd using k3b and it gave me a permision error saying k3b couldnt open cdrecord permision denied, so i open disk an file system settings and tried to enable cdrom0 and it gives me this error:
[19:28] <surgy> The system reported: mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only
[19:28] <surgy> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[19:28] <MilitantPotato> draik: KMenu -> System Settings -> Advanced -> Restricted Manager
[19:28] <surgy> sorry for spam
[19:28] <MilitantPotato> draik: enable the restricted drivers if it lets you
[19:28]  * internetnightmar makes KDE look GNOMEish, somehow panel layout is very nice in Ubuntu
[19:29] <ThipThip> great! Thank you.  Let me ask this also:  Is software compatible with both without exception?  Is there any significant operational difference (other than obviously having to click in different places for different things)
[19:29] <MilitantPotato> draik: I'm not sure if fglrx supports your video card, I've no idea what the M6 LY is.
[19:29] <ThipThip> Also:  What is good about KDE 4?  I have a dual-core 64bit AMD processor and I'd like to really use it.
[19:29] <ntweat_> guyz need help with kaffine.... its crashing.... new bee here
[19:29] <nosrednaekim> ThipThip: all software is comaptible between the two, though KDE apps generally work better in kde and vice versa.
[19:29] <lovre> muesli: i agree that k3b is nice, but im having problems with it, and dont know why
[19:29] <draik> I don't think I have the restricted driver for it. I show "Software modem driver" for the component, that's it. It's also in use, BTW.
[19:30] <surgy> can anyone help me?
[19:30] <draik> BRB
[19:30] <nosrednaekim> ThipThip: right now...all its got going for it over kde3 is that it looks good
[19:30] <muesli> lovre: well, whats the problem?
[19:30] <MilitantPotato> ThipThip: KDE is much more customizable compared to Gnome
[19:30] <ntweat_> if its small surgy....
[19:30] <ntweat_> i need to reinstall kaffine some1 tell me the command!!!
[19:30] <MilitantPotato> ThipThip: I recommend getting a Live CD of Ubuntu and Kubuntu, give them both a try, that's the only way you'll settle
[19:30] <surgy> well i cant mount my blank cd so therefore i cant burn things to it
[19:30] <rothchild> + bluetooth support in KDE leaves gnome standing still
[19:31] <MilitantPotato> That's true.
[19:31] <MilitantPotato> Bluetooth in gnome is a nightmare.
[19:31] <nosrednaekim> ntweat_: "sudo apt-get remove kaffeine" and then "sudo apt-get install kaffeine"
[19:31] <ThipThip> MilitantPotato:  I think I'd rather simply install both and switch back and forth to get a feel.  Is there a disadvantage to that approach?
[19:31] <ntweat_> +kde automatically runs windows s/w on wine at a double click
[19:31] <ThipThip> I do not use bluetooth, but customizability is good.
[19:31] <MilitantPotato> ThipThip: just the space it takes up.
[19:31] <surgy> anyone?
[19:31] <MilitantPotato> ThipThip: Install one, then install kubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop from the repos
[19:32] <ThipThip> MilitatantPotato:  I need a good excuse to do some serious spring cleaning on my hard drive anyway :-)
[19:32] <nosrednaekim> surgy: no need to mount a blank cd, use k3b to write things
[19:32] <MilitantPotato> ThipThip: give Xfce a try while you're at it.
[19:32] <ntweat_> surgy: try right click and mount
[19:32] <MilitantPotato> It's very lightweight (fast)
[19:33] <lovre> muesli: hmm, it seems that problem is not with k3b, i have it with nerolinux as well, and with gnomebaker once
[19:33] <ThipThip> What is Xfce?  At this point I'm willing to sacrifice some weight for good looks.
[19:33] <surgy> i dont want to spam again but k3b gives an error which i typed above, and when i right click mount it gives an error also above
[19:33] <ThipThip> Also, if I type "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" will it get KDE4?
[19:33] <nosrednaekim> ThipThip: then don't get XFCE,
[19:33] <rothchild> bluetooth brought me back to kubuntu, I jumped ship to gnome cos it gets so much more developer love from canonical but the hassle of using it with my phone ended my brief flirtation :-)
[19:33] <nosrednaekim> ThipThip: no, thats only kde3, kde4 is a bit more complicated
[19:33] <MilitantPotato> Xfce is less eye candy, more speed
[19:33] <ntweat_> surgy: no need to mount a blank cd, use k3b to write things
[19:33] <MilitantPotato> So you won't want that
[19:33] <MilitantPotato> No, KDE4 won't install that way
[19:34] <muesli> lovre: well again, _what_ is the problem?
[19:34] <ntweat_> i like kde 3 better widgets of kde 4 eat my heaad
[19:34] <MilitantPotato> but KDE4 is far from finished, i'd skip it for now, get KDE3.5
[19:34] <surgy> ntweat but it gives me errors! when i try to write using k3b it gives errors! which i stated above
[19:34] <rothchild> ThipThip: don't worry about kde4 it's still very flakey
[19:34] <lovre> muesli: at the start of burning it just ejects the dvd, and says Burning Failed. Almost every time. I tried burning at 6x, 8x and 12x. The burner can burn even 20x, and DVD's are Verbatim's that can go to 16x
[19:34] <muesli> ntweat_: just keep kde3 running
[19:34] <ThipThip> rothchild:  Is 'canonical' a repository of software?  Is this software not available for or compatible with KDE?
[19:34] <ntweat_> muesli: thats what i m doing...
[19:35] <nosrednaekim> ThipThip: anything in any ubuntu repository is comaptible with any windows manager/desktop environment
[19:35] <MilitantPotato> ThipThip: it's just a mirror of the main repos
[19:35] <muesli> ntweat_: it's probably a wise choice as a user for now
[19:35] <ntweat_> surgy i just came...
[19:35] <MilitantPotato> ThipThip: to take some load off of the main servers.
[19:35] <rothchild> ThipThip: canonical is the company that distributes ubuntu
[19:35] <ntweat_> yup muesli
[19:35] <MilitantPotato> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[19:35] <surgy> ntweat sorry, im just getting frustrated, can i pm you so as to not flood the main channel with my errors? its only 3 lines
[19:36] <MilitantPotato> ThipThip: Also, poke around in synaptic for other KDE packages (NOT KDE4 ones though)
[19:36] <nosrednaekim> surgy: pastebin it do we can all see
[19:36] <rothchild> because gnome is the core product it gets the lion share of development
[19:36] <gvahelpdesk> I have a dell latitude D400 with Kubuntu on but can not get wifi to work does not see it
[19:36] <MilitantPotato> !wifi
[19:36] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[19:36] <muesli> lovre: does that burner work elsewhere? say windows
[19:36] <ThipThip> MilitantPotato:  Great advice.  Thank you.
[19:37] <ThipThip> I'll stick around for a while.
[19:37] <lovre> muesli: on windows it worked nice
[19:37] <daniel100119> Hello, is this the right place to get help on bluetooth? I can transfer files from PC to phone but not the other way around.
[19:37] <MilitantPotato> ThipThip: when it asks to chose between KDM or GDM, use GDM
[19:37] <MilitantPotato> ThipThip: you can change between the two later with sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[19:37] <mneisen> !ubotu away
[19:37] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #kubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also  !Guidelines
[19:38] <surgy> nosrednaekim: ntweat_: http://pastebin.com/m6775141a
[19:39] <nosrednaekim> surgy: run this command "kdesudo k3b"
[19:39] <nosrednaekim> and use it from there
[19:39] <surgy> nosrednaekim: dont you mean kedsu k3b?
[19:40] <nosrednaekim> surgy: well, what version are you using? gutsy?
[19:40] <surgy> now i have 7.10
[19:40] <ntweat__> any 1 knw how to install dc++?? on linux w/o wine version??!!
[19:41] <nosrednaekim> surgy: then use kdesudo
[19:42] <ntweat__> ???
[19:42] <nosrednaekim> !dc++
[19:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dc++ - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:42] <surgy> nosrednaekim: i dont want to have to run k3b as root, i want it to have full rw rights to cdrom0 all the time
[19:42] <lovre> muesli: look at this:
[19:42] <surgy> ntweat__: use inotek virtual box
[19:43] <nosrednaekim> surgy: its reccomened to run k3b as root anyway to reduce burning issues
[19:43] <lovre> muesli: look at this: http://i5.tinypic.com/7ypr4ms.png
[19:43] <ntweat__> i did it dint work... sayin need g++ 3.4 i installed 4.1 and 3.4 still not wrking
[19:43] <surgy> nosrednaekim: how do i give it every permision to do anything always?
[19:43] <gvahelpdesk> what is wmaster0 I seem to have more then one wifi set-up
[19:43] <ntweat__> surgy: what?
[19:43] <surgy> !innotek
[19:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about innotek - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:44] <surgy> ntweat__: its a virtual machine so you can run windows and make it think a folder inside of linux is a harddrive google innotek virtual box
[19:44] <surgy> ok guys thnx for all the help but im outa here
[19:48] <draik> back
[19:48] <daniel100119> Hello, is this the right place to get help on bluetooth? I can transfer files from PC to phone but not the other way around. Is there a specialised IRC channel?
[19:49] <draik> MilitantPotato: I did the install and fglrxinfo states the same as glxinfo | grep direct...
[19:49] <nosrednaekim> !bluetooth | daniel100119
[19:49] <ubotu> daniel100119: For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[19:49] <draik> ~~~Could not initialize SDL Video: Couldn't find matching GLX visual.~~~
[19:49] <draik> Whoops. Wrong error message.
[19:50] <mefisto__> I was doing a dist upgrade to gutsy, when it was installing packages the screensaver started. When I came back to see how it was going, the upgrade utility window was gone. what should I do? can I start it again?
[19:50] <draik> Xlib:   extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[19:50] <nosrednaekim> mefisto__: you are probably all upgraded, restart
[19:50] <muesli> draik: you're missing opengl support
[19:50] <draik> How do I install kdm and set it to default. I think that's another thing I'm missing
[19:51] <mefisto__> nosrednaekim: does it just quit when its finished with no message?
[19:51] <draik> How do I get opengl support?
[19:51] <WeeJay> how can I install a deb package I downloaded from command line using apt-get?  The gui does not give me the verbose output.
[19:51] <nosrednaekim> mefisto__: I don't know... but if there isn't an error it probably worked
[19:51] <draik> WeeJay: you don't. Try....           sudo dpkg -i package_name.deb
[19:51] <muesli> draik: which graphics card?
[19:51] <WeeJay> thanks draik
[19:51] <draik> You're welcome WeeJay
[19:52] <draik> muesli: ATI Mobility
[19:52] <daniel100119> nosrednaekim: thanks, I already read the page but I need more info about how to troubleshoot bluetooth
[19:52] <muesli> draik: sorry no clue about ati... wiki should help
[19:52] <draik> muesli: "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY" to be exact
[19:52] <draik> ok
[19:53] <MilitantPotato> draik: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[19:53] <MilitantPotato> draik: you enabled restricted drivers ?
[19:53] <nosrednaekim> daniel100119: heh, well you kinda just gotta wait till a bluetooth guru come around
[19:53] <draik> MilitantPotato: Thanks for kdm
[19:53] <draik> MilitantPotato: I only have it for the modem
[19:54] <MilitantPotato> draik: ah, do you know what family your video card is?
[19:54] <Autoscum> !unlock adept
[19:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unlock adept - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:54] <Autoscum> uhm
[19:54] <draik> MilitantPotato: No clue.
[19:54] <Autoscum> What was the program to unlock the adept thing again?
[19:54] <egork> draik, I have the same card on my laptop
[19:54] <MilitantPotato> draik: i don't think it has support using fglrx
[19:54] <nosrednaekim> M6? thats rather old
[19:54] <draik> egork: What are you using to support OpenGL?
[19:55] <jackster> anyone got any idea why running Kubuntu in VMware Fusion works fine until I install VMware Tools, at which point Kubuntu seems to forget about networking?
[19:55] <draik> egork: What are you using for video card support?
[19:55] <MilitantPotato> draik: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2007-November/129185.html
[19:55] <egork> I guess it is not capable. The ATI driver is not available to support it. This was my latest stand.
[19:55] <draik> MilitantPotato: Thanks. Looking...
[19:55] <Autoscum> Well...
[19:56] <Autoscum> Okay, I'm trying to install skype with it's .deb file, but the package manager is lying to me, that there's another package manager running...
[19:56] <Autoscum> What gives? :p
[19:56] <draik> MilitantPotato: So... sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and go with DRI?
[19:56] <sourcemaker> !vpn
[19:56] <ubotu> From more information on vpn please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD
[19:56] <MilitantPotato> draik: worth a shot.
[19:56] <draik> Autoscum: Do you have apt-get doing something or maybe Adept?
[19:57] <MilitantPotato> draik: backup your current xorg.conf
[19:57] <MilitantPotato> draik: wait
[19:57] <nosrednaekim> Autoscum: apt-get nor adept are running?
[19:57] <Autoscum> No, I just restarted X...
[19:57] <nosrednaekim> !adeptfix
[19:57] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[19:57] <MilitantPotato> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[19:57] <Autoscum> Oh, right. =)
[19:57] <draik> Thank you
[19:57] <MilitantPotato> draik: saves some time.
[19:57] <WaltzingAlong> !flash
[19:57] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[19:57] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[19:59] <MilitantPotato> draik: you could also just change Section "Device"  to driver   "dri"
[19:59] <draik> MilitantPotato: screen went blank, returned to my GUI, and back to my CLI prompt. Am I good to go?
[19:59] <MilitantPotato> then restart X
[19:59] <MilitantPotato> draik: ctrl+alt+backspace
[19:59] <draik> Ok
[20:00] <egork> draik, I have just run glxgears, it seams openGL is running on my laptop. I have just spend so much time configuring other mashine, that I have completely forgot that.
[20:00] <draik> Ok
[20:01] <draik> Things seem better
[20:01] <draik> fglrxinfo gives out some info
[20:01] <MilitantPotato> and glxinfo | grep direct
[20:01] <draik> glxinfo | grep direct on the other hand, says No.
[20:01] <satty> sal all
[20:01] <MilitantPotato> change composite to enabled
[20:02] <draik> Composite? What I added? It's not there
[20:03] <ryjek> hi ppl, I just installed kde 4.0 and was starting to play with the display settings
[20:03] <ryjek> and I think the last thing I did
[20:03] <ryjek> was change the render method
[20:03] <egork> draik, I am using radeon driver and have a few modules loaded, will have to look where the howto was.
[20:03] <ryjek> bottom line beeing, at the end kde 4.0 stopped displaying anything
[20:04] <ryjek> anybody have an idea how to fix it
[20:04] <draik> MilitantPotato: Where is the composite?
[20:04] <muesli> ryjek: delete your ~/.kde4 dir i'd say
[20:04] <ryjek> hmm, why not
[20:04] <ScottG> I've found deleting .kde in your /home folder does it
[20:04] <draik> egork: Seems that I am still using the ati driver
[20:04] <ScottG> :)
[20:04] <MilitantPotato> draik: try:
[20:04] <ScottG> er.. .kde4
[20:04] <muesli> ryjek: since you just started playing with it, you'd hardly lose anything
[20:04] <ryjek> yeah I know
[20:05] <ryjek> I like did nthn with it yet
[20:05] <MilitantPotato> try the radeon driver
[20:05] <draik> Ok
[20:05] <ScottG> I borked it a few times.. deleting .kde4 fixed it
[20:05] <draik> Ok
[20:05] <draik> It's change
[20:05] <draik> *changed
[20:05] <draik> restart x now?
[20:05] <MilitantPotato> draik: yes
[20:06] <draik> 10-4
[20:06] <MilitantPotato> draik: if you still don't get direct rendering: Yes
[20:06] <MilitantPotato> Reconfigure X again, choose the radeon driver.
[20:06] <MilitantPotato> draik: very odd video card, sorta shooting blanks here since google is being useless
[20:07] <draik> I have changed "ati" to "radeon" for the driver in xorg.conf
[20:07] <draik> I still get No
[20:08] <MilitantPotato> draik: did you restart X?
[20:08] <draik> Yes
[20:08] <ryjek> it worked, thx a lot ;)
[20:08] <draik> Here's the issue
[20:08] <draik> I don't have radeon on my list
[20:08] <egork> this was a long way to get radeon working in this configuration. It was not just changing the driver name and restarting the x server.
[20:09] <MilitantPotato> ah
[20:09] <MilitantPotato> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all
[20:09] <MilitantPotato> or
[20:09] <MilitantPotato> xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
[20:09] <MilitantPotato> iirc
[20:10] <sourcemaker> how can I connect a windows VPN server with linux?
[20:10] <sourcemaker> I am getting connected have no valid route
[20:11] <draik> xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd worked. It's installed. sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg now?
[20:11] <egork> draik, check the section graphics here http://geocities.com/egor_kobylkin/linux.html
[20:11] <MilitantPotato> yes
[20:11] <MilitantPotato> choose radeon
[20:12] <draik> radeon still not on my list. Did I have to restart x first?
[20:12] <terran4000> 'Mornin chaps.
[20:12] <MilitantPotato> egork: very nice, thanks.
[20:12] <MilitantPotato> draik: from his link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=246746
[20:17] <root__> can any one help with a Xerphyr start up issue
[20:18] <Dangerous> Q2 is there a feisy live with KDE4 all ready to install on it ?
[20:19] <Dangerous> I wasn't sure from the kubunto site
[20:19] <Dangerous> sorry Hutsey
[20:19] <Dangerous> Gutsey
[20:19] <Dangerous> <too much beer on the keyboard
[20:19] <MilitantPotato> !kde4
[20:19] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:20] <MilitantPotato> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/
[20:20] <Dangerous> thanks
[20:20] <MilitantPotato> np
[20:20] <MilitantPotato> can't help with Q1 though
[20:20] <Dangerous> ok I just want to start up in X not test
[20:20] <Dangerous> text
[20:21] <jerware> hi
[20:21] <jerware> how do i turn off these kde "bubbles" that pop up when the mouse is over an icon ?
[20:22] <corinth> in the panel preferences
[20:22] <corinth> jerware:
[20:22] <jerware> corinth:
[20:22] <jerware> thnx
[20:24] <Doctor_Nick> hey, does ubuntu have a scanner wizard of some sort?
[20:25] <MilitantPotato> Xsane Image Scanner
[20:25] <Doctor_Nick> cool, thanks
[20:25] <ScorpKing> !scan | Doctor_Nick
[20:25] <ubotu> Doctor_Nick: Scanning software: XSane, the GIMP (GNOME), Kooka (KDE). For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners - See also !OCR
[20:25] <MilitantPotato> Kooka is great too.
[20:30] <draik_> MilitantPotato: those instructions killed X.
[20:31] <draik_> I don't get a scrolling bar with the Kubuntu logo at startup, I can't get glxinfo | grep direct to say Yes
[20:31] <draik_> :(
[20:32] <draik_> Should I just reinstall Kubuntu?
[20:35] <MilitantPotato> nah
[20:36] <MilitantPotato> is XGL still installed?
[20:37] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix
[20:37] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[20:39] <draik_> MilitantPotato: I can't get X
[20:39] <draik_> I just typed blindly into TTY1
[20:40] <draik_> I hope I just restored my backup of xorg.conf
[20:40] <MilitantPotato> you could load into fail safe
[20:41] <draik_> MilitantPotato: Not if I don't get GUI
[20:41] <MilitantPotato> recovery mode from grub?
[20:42] <dewd> iwpriv eth1 set_power 5: does anyone know how to make sure this is run anytime the wireless card is initialised (via the wlan switch for instance)?
[20:42] <spideyman> can anyone tell me if i can manipulate files on my harddrives from the live cd?
[20:43] <draik_> MilitantPotato: What does that do?
[20:44] <ScorpKing> spideyman: yes you can
[20:44] <draik_> o.O????
[20:45] <draik_> Why would I have nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-new-kernel-source installed?
[20:45] <egork> draik: what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[20:47] <egork> there should be records with EE. sudo grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log      should show you the errors
[20:47] <zeEez> Hi, i get an error about "too many open files" is there a way to list processes by the number of files they have open ?
[20:47] <draik_> egork: Nothing. It's blank
[20:47] <velle> hi. Im using Kubuntu on a 5 year old laptop. I want to buy a pcmcia wifi card. How do I make sure that it will work under linux? In general, how do I get wifi the easiest way, because I dont know anything about making hardware work on linux.
[20:48] <stdin> easiest way is to make sure you buy an atheros card
[20:49] <egork> what happens if you say 'startx' from commandline?
[20:50] <ScorpKing> !hardware | velle
[20:50] <ubotu> velle: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[20:50] <draik_> egork: I am in X right now
[20:50] <wesley_> how to restart plasma
[20:51] <draik_> I went back to my old xorg.conf. I backed it up before making any and all changes
[20:52] <ryjek> okey, why my root pass dosen't work on kde 4
[20:53] <egork> draik_: have you tried to install fglrx? Because you should not, this is what the HOWTO says.
[20:53] <draik_> I did already
[20:53] <MilitantPotato> ryjek: run stuff from shell with kdesudo
[20:54] <MilitantPotato> ryjek: there's some bug with kdesu from what I was told
[20:54] <ryjek> damn xchat
[20:54] <wesley_> how can i restart plasma and set plasma translation on englisch
[20:55] <velle> stdin, ScorpKing: Thanks, looking at it now, to see what I can find.
[20:55] <ryjek> ok potato, thx
[20:55] <ScorpKing> velle: you're welcome :)
[20:56] <egork> draik_: I quote "    * If you've installed fglrx, you've just partly trashed X (the graphics system). In other words, if you've installed fglrx, and are getting issues when running glxinfo, or other programs that use the 3D engine, or even just trying to log in, then you should reinstall Ubuntu! Some users reported being able to get things to work just by uninstalling fglrx, and changing the driver back to radeon, but fglrx will most
[20:56] <egork> likely mess with Beryl, and possibly everything else 3D. You have been warned!" quotation end.
[20:57] <wesley_> i see the first updates to kde4 are there already
[20:58] <tekteen> wesley_: go to kubuntu.org on the front page
[20:58] <draik_> egork: Should I just uninstall xorg-driver-fglrx and hope for the best?
[20:59] <egork> draik_: I would try this first. On the other hand, if you do not have too much stuff configured in your current installation it could be more advantageous to reinstall Kubuntu.
[21:00] <draik_> 1 for the money, 2 for the show, 3 to get ready and 4 to go
[21:00] <wesley_> tekteen i think you did misunderstand me i meaned the first updates of the 4.0
[21:02] <tekteen> wesley_: no clue
[21:03] <draik_> egork: MilitantPotato: I just removed xorg-driver-fglrx and now I have direct rendering. YAY! Thanks to the two of you for your input. :)
[21:03] <MilitantPotato> draik_: great news :D
[21:03] <draik_> Restart X?
[21:04] <egork> draik_: just wondering what machine do you have this card in?
[21:04] <draik_> egork: It's a Dell SmartStep 200N
[21:05] <Shamshiel> Hi.
[21:05] <egork> draik_: thanks, good luck with it.
[21:07] <Shamshiel> I was wondering if maybe you guys could help me with a little wireless problem. :)
[21:07] <Shamshiel> I followed the guides and whatnot, but nothing seemed to fit.
[21:07] <Shamshiel> It appears that my router just isn't assigned me an IP address -- everything else appears to be working fine, and wireless has worked fine in other locations.
[21:08] <Shamshiel> I'm also pretty sure that it used to work fine here, but nothing has changed.
[21:08] <Shamshiel> When I use dhclient, all the packets just drop.
[21:10] <Shamshiel> Is there anything else I can do? The wireless works fine on this same laptop under Windows, so something's going on with Kubuntu and my router.
[21:10] <draik_> egork: It was given to me because the owner thought it was dead. Turns out it was just a burned out hdd
[21:11] <benbread> Hey i'm having problem with my Atheros WiFi card on Kubuntu 7.10 - It's been working great until a couple of days ago when kubuntu stopped seeing it - kernel log shows the device has been initialised (http://pastebin.org/15257) but knetwork manager can't see it and neither can "Network Settings" tool - does anyone have any ideas?
[21:11] <TheWhiteRook> I've never been able to get wireless working in Linux on this laptop even though it works in Windows
[21:12] <Shamshiel> Oh, I should mention that Kubuntu can still see the router perfectly fine, shows me the signal strength, the ESSID, and everything, and it's an open network.
[21:13] <TheWhiteRook> mm. My wireless can see networks, but it doesn't like to connect to them.
[21:13] <Shamshiel> That sounds like me, TheWhiteRook.
[21:13] <TheWhiteRook> mm. do you have an intel?
[21:13] <Shamshiel> My gets hung at 57% with the KNetworkManagaer.
[21:14] <Shamshiel> Nope, the Dell-style broadcom.
[21:14] <Shamshiel> I meant to get an Intel but I forgot when I finally ordered the laptop. :(
[21:14] <TheWhiteRook> :(
[21:14] <MilitantPotato> Shamshiel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/105130
[21:15] <Shamshiel> What's strange is this is the *only* network I haven't been able to connect to, though.
[21:15] <MilitantPotato> maybe?
[21:15] <Shamshiel> And I'm almost certain I used to be able to.
[21:15] <Shamshiel> MilitantPotato: Thanks, let me look. :)
[21:16] <Shamshiel> IIRC, I wasn't able to connect with iwconfig either, so maybe that's not it. But thanks. :(
[21:16] <draik_> How do I configure sudoers so that I am not asked for my password when using "su" "sudo" and "kdesu"
[21:17] <LjL> draik_: "su" has nothing to do with sudoers, and you shouldn't be able to use it at all normally.
[21:17] <LjL> draik_: aside from that, "man sudoers" has the answers
[21:17] <Shamshiel> Also, a fix listed for that bug involves deleting two lines from the interfaces file, but I don't have them to begin with. :(
[21:17] <LjL> draik_: search for NOPASSWD
[21:18] <MilitantPotato> Shamshiel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/125767/comments/8
[21:18] <TheWhiteRook> isn't that the whole point of sudo, is to make sure that idiots you don't know don't go on your computer and screw things up?
[21:18] <cua0> whats the package name for the development tools?
[21:18] <MilitantPotato> oops, i meant to paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/125767
[21:19] <wesley> what Dbus? i wanna test speech the text out in konqi
[21:20] <MilitantPotato> cua0: to develop programs or build from source?
[21:20] <cua0> MilitantPotato: build from source
[21:21] <cua0> MilitantPotato: i ./configure'd something and it said gcc can't output executables.
[21:21] <Shamshiel> MilitantPotato: Thanks again; I think I did once into that problem, and I discovered the getting rid of all the non-loopback interfaces fixed it, so my interfaces file still looks like those workarounds suggest. :(
[21:21] <Shamshiel> Unless perhaps you think the GNOME network manager would help? I can try that. :D
[21:21] <MilitantPotato> !build
[21:21] <Shamshiel> Although it will be a while. XD
[21:21] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[21:22] <MilitantPotato> read that cua0
[21:22] <TheWhiteRook> I couldn't get my wireless working in Gnome either
[21:22] <MilitantPotato> Shamshiel: I've no idea :(
[21:22] <cua0> MilitantPotato: thanks..
[21:22] <MilitantPotato> np, hope it helps
[21:23] <Shamshiel> Well, I'll play around some more, I guess. ^^;
[21:23] <BluesKaj> Hmm, got a bug in : system settings/monitor%display/hardware , on a clean install of Hardy 8.04 ... orphaned modules are preventing my access to the resolution and graphics drivers configuration. I've done the aptfix etc , but I'm stalled :(
[21:23] <Shamshiel> I'm beginning to wonder if perhaps it's a router problem that Linux just happens to be more senstive, though.
[21:23] <TheWhiteRook> I can't get on wireless at home or at school.
[21:23] <cua0> MilitantPotato: build-essential
[21:24] <Shamshiel> Today, out of the blue, I've been frequently disconnected from IRC on Windows with software abort errors, which seem to be caused by the router not acknowledging sent packets.
[21:24] <Shamshiel> Or are possibly caused by that, anyway.
[21:24] <TheWhiteRook> when did your lack of Linux wireless start
[21:24] <TheWhiteRook> ?
[21:24] <Shamshiel> Mine started at least a month ago, iirc.
[21:25] <TheWhiteRook> iirc?
[21:25] <Shamshiel> Probably more than that, but I can't say with any certainty because I wasn't too concerned with it then (I spent most of my time elsewhere.)
[21:25] <Shamshiel> If I recall correctly, sorry. XD Bad habit.
[21:26] <TheWhiteRook> ahhh. ok
[21:26] <TheWhiteRook> not many people I know use those..
[21:27] <Shamshiel> Well, I'm going to go mess around some more and see if anything works.
[21:27] <Shamshiel> Thanks, guys. :)
[21:27] <TheWhiteRook> mm. I've been using Linux since April, and I've never been able to get it to work
[21:27] <level1> where are the ubuntu keymaps kept?
[21:27] <MilitantPotato> Kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[21:28] <TheWhiteRook> sorry I couldn't help you better...
[21:28] <TheWhiteRook> oops, he left.
[21:28] <TheWhiteRook> or she
[21:28] <MilitantPotato> if you mean shortcuts, System Settings > keyboard and mouse
[21:28] <benbread> while i'm here are there any KDE4 .deb repositories up?
[21:29] <MilitantPotato> !kde4
[21:29] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:31] <nexamac> terran4000: got sound working now :>
[21:31] <NexaMac> youre gonna kill me >_>
[21:31] <terran4000> nexamac: hey man, what's up? And Great! How'd you do it?
[21:31] <terran4000> Oh?
[21:31] <NexaMac> was all a spelling error in /etc/modprobe.d/options >_>
[21:32] <yao_ziyuan> i pet a kubuntu as a virtual machine
[21:32] <yao_ziyuan> the only thing i do daily with it is Get Updates, Full Upgrade, Apply Changes...
[21:32] <terran4000> NexaMac: haha, go figure it was something so mundane as that.
[21:32] <Confidentia1> im currently using normal ubuntu, with gnome. Now I kinda want to try the new KDE4. Would it be more stable if I installed kubuntu on it's own partition with KDE4, or is it almost the same as just installing it on my current ubuntu install?
[21:32] <NexaMac> mmbp3 instead of mbp3.. so one letter missplaced :/
[21:32] <cua0> what are the glib2 header packages in?
[21:33] <yao_ziyuan> Confidentia1: i advise you not try kde4...
[21:33] <stdin> Confidentia1: it's the same
[21:33] <TheWhiteRook> Confidential1: download the liveCD and try it out with that.
[21:33] <terran4000> NexaMac: ouch, good thing you caught that error. Something like that is very tricky to spot.
[21:33] <stdin> Confidentia1: just see the link in the topic
[21:33] <terran4000> NexaMac: Congrats on getting it to 'finally' work :-)
[21:33] <NexaMac> terran4000: thanks :p
[21:33] <MilitantPotato> KDE4 is too new to be useful for most
[21:33] <MilitantPotato> or useable
[21:34] <terran4000> MilitantPotato: lol. So true.
[21:34] <MilitantPotato> argh
[21:34] <MilitantPotato> I change a Keyboard shortcut and system settings crashes
[21:35] <terran4000> NexaMac: now all that's left is getting your mac some wobbly windows!
[21:36] <Bagualas> whats the difference between the cd 700mb, and the dvd iso version?
[21:36] <Dragnslcr> The DVD has more packages on it
[21:36] <terran4000> Bagualas: the dvd has more junk on it
[21:36] <MilitantPotato> Good for offline people :)
[21:37] <Bagualas> terran4000, iuehiauheiuae, really junk? or util programs?
[21:37] <MilitantPotato> hmm, no keyboard shortcut to minimize all windows
[21:38] <terran4000> Bagualas: Well there any many packages included in the DVD iso. Some will be useful ... other's not. My preference is for a small slim system, but that's just me
[21:38] <Bagualas> terran4000, uhum, thanks man :)
[21:38] <Bagualas> i'm using ubuntu a few time, want to try kde system :D
[21:38] <MilitantPotato> Bagualas: try KDE3.5
[21:38] <Bagualas> what about kde4? to bad?
[21:38] <MilitantPotato> KDE4 will frustrate and dissapoint you
[21:38] <MilitantPotato> Too new.
[21:39] <MilitantPotato> It's far from completel
[21:39] <terran4000> It's "different"
[21:39] <Bagualas> =\
[21:39] <Bagualas> last time i used kde was on slack 9
[21:39] <Bagualas> hehehe
[21:39] <MilitantPotato> It's bleeding edge and missing many features they didn't get in for the release
[21:39] <terran4000> One thing in KDE4 that frustrates me is that there is no "desktop" persay
[21:39] <Bagualas> i can be surprise on 3.5 :D
[21:39] <TheWhiteRook> hahaha, there's a debate going on about whether the early release was good in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:39] <MilitantPotato> I say it was a great move.
[21:39] <MilitantPotato> Can't get feedback if it's not released.
[21:40] <MilitantPotato> This isn't a piece of software you pay for, it has no need and would hurt development to delay untill it's "done"
[21:41] <Artimus> I've got apt-cacher setup for boxes on my network...  Will my server use the cache as well?  Often, my server isn't the first one updated.  I don't want to download OpenOffice packages from one of my apt-cacher clients and then have to redownload it again on the server.  Does it drop the deb into the proper folder on my server?
[21:44] <NexaMac> [22:35] <terran4000> NexaMac: now all that's left is getting your mac some wobbly windows! <---- i do have those o_O
[21:45] <terran4000> Well, they aint wobbling enough!
[21:45] <MilitantPotato> Any wobble is too much
[21:45] <NexaMac> :<
[21:45] <NexaMac> MilitantPotato: naw its a cheerfull effect
[21:46] <NexaMac> tho the cube is probably the only one i find practical
[21:46] <terran4000> MilitantPotato: It helps pass the time :-)
[21:46] <MilitantPotato> I like the minimize/maximize effects over wobbly windows
[21:46] <NexaMac> tsk
[21:46] <MilitantPotato> set it to random and they never get boring :)
[21:46] <NexaMac> real life wobbly windows > *
[21:46] <terran4000> Compiz-Fusion is missing my favorite one though: flame-up/down
[21:47] <terran4000> NexaMac: They actually have wobbly TV screens now ^^
[21:47] <NexaMac> terran4000: was that an old berryl effect?
[21:47] <terran4000> NexaMac: aye
[21:47] <MilitantPotato> Burn is in there?
[21:47] <NexaMac> talking about the paperthin "monitors" with the same colors as an oldschool gameboy? :>
[21:47] <Dragonath> how the hell do I get rid of firefox trying to open whatever is in the clipboard when I click the middle mouse button?
[21:47] <NexaMac> Dragonath: sudo apt-get remove firefox :P
[21:47] <MilitantPotato> Configure your mouse?
[21:48] <terran4000> Disable Klipper
[21:48] <Hunkennalle> im having serious trouble starting kubuntu... sometimes it takes more then 10 tries... otherwise it just stops loading... anyone know whats the problem?
[21:48] <NexaMac> all good solutions
[21:48] <TheWhiteRook> speaking of Compiz, if one told it to start up on startup, how does one tell it not to do that?
[21:48] <NexaMac> Hunkennalle: what happens when it completely fails?
[21:48] <Hunkennalle> the blue loadingbar just stops and stays there
[21:48] <NexaMac> :<
[21:48] <Dragonath> right, how do I disable Klipper?
[21:48] <NexaMac> fresh install, or did you DO something Hunkennalle?
[21:49] <MilitantPotato> Right click klipper, go to configure
[21:49] <Ange|us> guys , what capture cards are compatable with linux?
[21:49] <Hunkennalle> i havent done anything
[21:49] <MilitantPotato> disable the shortcut
[21:49] <terran4000> Ange|us: not ati
[21:49] <NexaMac> Dragonath: correct question would be "where do i find klipper" i suppose :P
[21:49] <Dragonath> oh I found the bugger
[21:49] <MilitantPotato> Normally around the time
[21:49] <NexaMac> Hunkennalle: fresh install or not?
[21:49] <MilitantPotato> Be nice to it, klipper is only trying to be productive :)
[21:50] <Ange|us> terran4000: ca;tje
[21:50] <Hunkennalle> what do you mean?
[21:50] <Ange|us> terran4000: capture cards not video cards..
[21:50] <Dragonath> if it wants to be productive, it can be outside firefox where I really want to open tabs with middle mouse button :)
[21:50] <Dragonath> I don't see the disable shortcut thingie though
[21:50] <terran4000> Ange|us: Video capture card? Audio Capture cards? Fruit Fly Capture Cards?
[21:51] <NexaMac> Hunkennalle: i really dont know how to say it any clearer :/
[21:51] <Dragonath> is it under the actions tab?
[21:51] <NexaMac> might be cause im piled up in filling out stuff
[21:51] <Hunkennalle> fresh install? whats that?
[21:51] <NexaMac> !install
[21:51] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[21:51] <NexaMac> merh
[21:51] <NexaMac> !fresh
[21:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fresh - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:51] <NexaMac> ubotu: youre worthless :<
[21:52] <TheWhiteRook> hmm... what happens if I....
[21:52] <TheWhiteRook> !ubotu
[21:52] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[21:52] <NexaMac> bluescreen
[21:52] <MilitantPotato> Fresh install, did you just install it or have you been using it awhile Hunkennalle
[21:52] <NexaMac> oh thank you MilitantPotato
[21:52] <Hunkennalle> installed it yesterday
[21:52] <MilitantPotato> Was it doing this yesterday?
[21:52] <Hunkennalle> yes
[21:52] <MilitantPotato> Ok, now nexa knows where to start :)
[21:52] <Hunkennalle> i tried reinstalling... same
[21:53] <NexaMac> Hunkennalle: did you download and burn it from windows?
[21:53] <NexaMac> im gonna get flamed for that question :<
[21:53]  * terran4000 gets the napalm.
[21:53] <master_> hallo leute
[21:54] <Hunkennalle> yes... the regular just gave me an error message trying to install so i did the alternative and that worked
[21:54]  * NexaMac boots OSX
[21:54] <NexaMac> Hunkennalle: did you use checksumm thingy on either?
[21:54] <Hunkennalle> what?
[21:54] <NexaMac> T_T
[21:54] <MilitantPotato> When you first boot from the CD, there's an option to verfiy the data
[21:54] <Hunkennalle> check the cd?
[21:54] <MilitantPotato> A lot of times the disk is corrupted and will copy corrupted files
[21:55] <NexaMac> ok MilitantPotato i leave you in charge
[21:55] <NexaMac> i got stuff to do :p
[21:55] <MilitantPotato> Yea, when you pop the CD in, and boot from it
[21:55] <MilitantPotato> There's an option to check the disk
[21:55] <MilitantPotato> I forget the exact wording
[21:55] <terran4000> NexaMac: You're on a Mac ... what stuff to do? Mac does anything for you.
[21:55] <Hunkennalle> i checked the cd and it said nothing wrong
[21:55] <egork> does anybody know what to do with a mouse that sends two button codes with every click on a thumb button
[21:55] <NexaMac> terran4000: hahhaa
[21:55] <NexaMac> i wish :)
[21:56] <MilitantPotato> For what they cost they should.
[21:56] <NexaMac> macs are overrated
[21:56] <terran4000> They at least get one thing right: the good looking interface.
[21:56] <NexaMac> but i wanted one for the sexy looks, builtin crap and to see what osx was like compared to linux
[21:56] <NexaMac> i was dissapointed :<
[21:56] <MaTiAz> :(
[21:56] <NexaMac> terran4000: good looking, but no choice in changing the ways it look
[21:56] <MilitantPotato> OSX is just a polished BSD
[21:57] <NexaMac> even windows is more configurable GUI wise :>
[21:57] <terran4000> o.O
[21:57] <Hunkennalle> please help me..
[21:57] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: I missed out, what is the problem?
[21:58] <Hunkennalle> when i start kubuntu 9 times out of ten it stops loading and nothing happens
[21:58] <MilitantPotato> Hunkennalle: At what point of loading does it freeze?
[21:58] <Hunkennalle> 2 cm in on the blue loadingbar
[21:59] <MilitantPotato> Hunkennalle: also, any issues with windows freezing, crashing, or otherwise being unstable lately?
[21:59] <Hunkennalle> yeah.. when quiting it just hangs
[21:59] <NexaMac> hd.
[21:59] <Hunkennalle> have to press the powerbutton
[22:00] <terran4000> NexaMac: speaking of Macs: (yes yes, this is off topic I know): Woman sues Apple for not letting iPods play WMA files. [Cnet]
[22:00] <TheWhiteRook> hahahahah!
[22:00] <MilitantPotato> Shouldn't she sue microsoft?
[22:00] <TheWhiteRook> the things people sue for...
[22:00] <NexaMac> terran4000: the worst part about macs, they come crammed with iPee iLolled iThis and iThat, and theyve got a lot of restrictions :/
[22:01] <NexaMac> MilitantPotato: its an apple product, you dont sue microsoft for apple not making their ipods compatible with microsoft crap
[22:01] <NexaMac> or dooo you
[22:01] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: Do you mean the part that says: "KUBUNTU" or the loading screen that says "loading kde" (or what not)?
[22:01] <Hunkennalle> kubuntu
[22:01] <terran4000> o.O
[22:01] <MilitantPotato> May as well, WMA is a Windows file type...
[22:01] <TheWhiteRook> sue Microsoft for making weird formats?
[22:01] <terran4000> TheWhiteRook: 'weird'? You mean horrid?
[22:01] <NexaMac> MilitantPotato: "with microsoft crap" :)
[22:02] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: Are you running any raid, sata or any 'new age' stuff?
[22:02] <MilitantPotato> Proprietary and incompatible is MS's game it seems
[22:02] <TheWhiteRook> terran4000: sometimes those words can be synonymous.
[22:02] <NexaMac> MilitantPotato: thats the ONE place i will ever support microsoft in anything..
[22:02] <TheWhiteRook> and just incompatible is Mac's
[22:02] <Hunkennalle> im not good at computers so im not sure what youre talking about
[22:02] <NexaMac> MilitantPotato: not being their fault the ipod doesnt work with wma that is :p
[22:02] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: oh, my apologies.
[22:03] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: hmm ... Is it a new computer or old?
[22:03] <Hunkennalle> new... hp dv9000
[22:03] <MilitantPotato> Hunkennalle: try unhooking all USB and other perhipials
[22:03] <Hunkennalle> ok...
[22:03] <terran4000> Or if you're like me, make sure you're cat isn't inside the case when you try to boot it. Couldn't figure out why it was overheating >_>
[22:04] <MilitantPotato> Hunkennalle: Kubuntu 7.10 right?
[22:04] <TheWhiteRook> *snort*
[22:04] <Hunkennalle> yes
[22:05] <MilitantPotato> terran4000: I had a couple hundred legos in mine once that caused a nice racket when I turned it on, scared the bejesus out of me.
[22:05] <NexaMac> correct me if im wrong, but if windows AND kubuntu fails, its very likely its the harddrive?
[22:05] <terran4000> MilitantPotato: "2cm in" would be right after the boot strap and before the kernel right?
[22:05] <corinth> Deleted the application lancher from the KDE 4 panel. How do I add it again? :-/
[22:05] <MilitantPotato> NexaMac: Windows freezing on shutdown is way to common
[22:05] <NexaMac> MilitantPotato: never happened to me on my desktop :)
[22:05] <Hunkennalle> windows works fine
[22:05] <MilitantPotato> top right corinth, click the orange blob
[22:06] <NexaMac> might be cause it has the ultimate power off dual booting linux and windurrrr tho
[22:06] <NexaMac> :p
[22:06] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: hmm, wait ... do you know if you have more than one hard drive in that computer?
[22:06] <Hunkennalle> yes iv got two
[22:06] <corinth> MilitantPotato: I know, but how do I add it to the panel?
[22:06] <Hunkennalle> kubuntu on d
[22:06] <terran4000> thought so ...
[22:06] <MilitantPotato> corinth: No idea there, I tried for ever, i wound up just rm -R ~/.kde4
[22:07] <MilitantPotato> then restarting X
[22:07] <terran4000> Who wants to take Hunkennalle through the process of editing grub? ><
[22:07] <corinth> MilitantPotato: What does that command do?
[22:07] <MilitantPotato> deletes the KDE4 config files
[22:07] <NexaMac> terran4000: not me
[22:07] <MilitantPotato> rm -R is a recursive remove, be VERYYYYYYYYYY careful with it.
[22:07] <NexaMac> i call dibbs on not doing it!
[22:07] <MilitantPotato> one type-o and you're install goes away.
[22:07] <MilitantPotato> your*
[22:08] <NexaMac> man grub terran4000?
[22:08] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: I "think" I know the issue and how to fix it.
[22:08] <Hunkennalle> tell me
[22:08] <MilitantPotato> !grub
[22:08] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[22:08] <terran4000> NexaMac: I know how to .. it's just that it's more commandline-ey
[22:08] <TheWhiteRook> recursive remove?
[22:08] <NexaMac> terran4000: im not telling YOU to do it :P
[22:08] <MilitantPotato> It deletes the folder, then everything bellow /in it
[22:08] <NexaMac> im just a little lazy atm
[22:09]  * terran4000 gets more napalm to throw at NexaMac
[22:09] <TheWhiteRook> ahh
[22:09] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: one sec, cat attacking me again.
[22:09] <Hunkennalle> np
[22:09] <MilitantPotato> i hope he saw my warning.
[22:09] <MilitantPotato> or was it rm -hR ?
[22:10] <MilitantPotato> meh, cli.
[22:10] <TheWhiteRook> :O
[22:10] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: Do you know of PasteBin ?
[22:10] <Hunkennalle> no
[22:10] <terran4000> ok
[22:10] <terran4000> no problem
[22:10] <Odd-rationale> How do I change Dolphin to open folders/files with double click instead of single?
[22:11] <MilitantPotato> System Settings > KEyboard/mouse
[22:12] <MilitantPotato> wait thats wrong
[22:12] <MilitantPotato> no yea I was right
[22:12] <Artimus> Odd-rationale: Run kcontrol, Peripherals -> Mouse
[22:12] <NexaMac> terran4000: ive got a task for you later, need to set up my kubuntu to work with my HDTV ;)
[22:12] <Odd-rationale> MilitantPotato: OK That did it. Thanks!
[22:12] <MilitantPotato> np :)
[22:13] <terran4000> NexaMac: sure, send me a e-mail or something. I've got a date comming up and I gotta finish up stuff here then stuff at home ect ect ;-)
[22:13]  * Odd-rationale is old windows user.
[22:13] <MilitantPotato> same here.
[22:13] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:13] <MilitantPotato> I hate single click with a passion
[22:13] <TheWhiteRook> I've been too lazy to change it
[22:13] <Hunkennalle> in konsole?
[22:13] <MilitantPotato> Hunkennalle: first do sudo cp /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst.bak
[22:13] <Odd-rationale> MilitantPotato: I'm considering switch to KDE (from GNOME).
[22:13] <NexaMac> terran4000: /home or home?
[22:14] <MilitantPotato> Odd-rationale: KDE 3.5 is awsome.
[22:14] <terran4000> NexaMac: sadly both.
[22:14] <NexaMac> :<
[22:14] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: yes, in console
[22:14] <NexaMac> 127.0.0.1 :>
[22:14] <MilitantPotato> Odd-rationale: why not install kubuntu-desktop and have your cake and eat it.
[22:14] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: or just press Alt-F2 to bring up the run dialog box thingy and put it in there
[22:14] <Odd-rationale> MilitantPotato: I think I've seen you on the #ubuntu channel quite often before. Do/did you use gnome?
[22:15] <terran4000> Once it asks for your password
[22:15] <MilitantPotato> yea I did :)
[22:15] <terran4000> enter it in there
[22:15] <MilitantPotato> For a few months, then I figured I'd give KDE a go, havn't looked back
[22:15] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: Kate will open up with menu.lst loaded.
[22:15] <MilitantPotato> the wife even uses KDE now
[22:15] <Odd-rationale> MilitantPotato: I prefer clean installs. Besides, I've reinstalled ubuntu multiple time. :) It is never a pain!
[22:15] <Hunkennalle> yes
[22:15] <Hunkennalle> now what?
[22:15] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: Scroll down a little bit to where it says something like "
[22:15] <terran4000> title		Ubuntu 7.10, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic
[22:15] <terran4000> root		(hd0,0)
[22:16] <terran4000> my apologies for the multiple line stuff >_>
[22:16] <NexaMac> my girlfriend hates vista, but wont go for linux :< talk about confused
[22:16] <MilitantPotato> terran4000: why not have him paste bin it?
[22:16] <MilitantPotato> Then ya can edit it for him so he doesn't break it and be SOL
[22:16] <terran4000> MilitantPotato: I'm out of time, girl/date already telling me to get my ass over there.
[22:16] <Hunkennalle> got this:
[22:16] <Hunkennalle> title		Linux
[22:16] <Hunkennalle> # root		(hd0,1)
[22:16] <MilitantPotato> Ah :)
[22:16] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: yeah, it's close enough
[22:16] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: ok
[22:16] <Hunkennalle> ok
[22:17] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: Right under linux: Change "root (hd0,1)" ---> "root (hd1,0)"
[22:17] <MilitantPotato> Odd-rationale: I actually liked having both installed, some of the Gnome utilities are great on KDE
[22:17] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: save it
[22:17] <terran4000> Hunkennalle: exit and reboot
[22:17] <Hunkennalle> wont theat delete my windows?
[22:17] <terran4000> No
[22:17] <Hunkennalle> sure
[22:18] <MilitantPotato> Hunkennalle: if it breaks, boot the live CD and re-install grub
[22:18] <terran4000> But now I have to run. I swear, some women are so damn bossy >_>
[22:18] <Hunkennalle> ok but it wont delete my windows that ive got on my c drive?
[22:18] <MilitantPotato> Hunkennalle: !pastebin
[22:19] <MilitantPotato> paste your menu.list text there
[22:19] <Hunkennalle> !pastebin
[22:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[22:19] <MilitantPotato> then, from shell, run kate /etc/fstab
[22:19] <MilitantPotato> paste that in another pastebin
[22:19] <terran4000> NexaMac:
[22:19] <Hunkennalle> paste in here or where?
[22:20] <MilitantPotato> in that link
[22:20] <MilitantPotato> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[22:20] <MilitantPotato> if ya paste all that text in here they'll kick/ban ya for spamming
[22:20] <NexaMac> terran4000:
[22:20] <Hunkennalle> ok
[22:20] <terran4000> NexaMac: terran4000@gmail.com   ... e-mail me later with your question and I'll get back to ya. I'll be MIA from here for a few so that's the best way to get to me.
[22:20] <terran4000> cheers everyone
[22:20] <Odd-rationale> is it normal to have an error pop up when installing kubuntu-retricted-extras with adept? I had to use the terminal.
[22:20] <NexaMac> MIA? o_O
[22:20] <NexaMac> later
[22:21] <ScorpKing> hi guys. i want to edit the GrubHowto page on ubuntu docs and add instructions on how to boot a floppy image from grub should the computer not have a floppy drive. some computers does not support booting from cd-roms and the only way to boot from the cd is to load a bootmanager floppy which has cd booting support. can i add that information on the GrubHowto or should i create another page?
[22:21] <Hunkennalle> now what?
[22:21] <MilitantPotato> I'd say another page if it's crowded
[22:21] <MilitantPotato> !grub
[22:21] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[22:22] <ScorpKing> it's not that crouded ant there's not a lot of information to add
[22:22] <ScorpKing> crowded*
[22:22] <MilitantPotato> Yea, I'd say it fits the page if it helps people use the guide.
[22:22] <NexaMac> right im off, got some gaming to do, later dudes :<
[22:23] <ScorpKing> righto.. i'll add it on GrubHowto then ;)
[22:26] <MilitantPotato> ScorpKing: after poking around it seems creating/booting grub disks are in sub pages
[22:26] <ScorpKing> have a link?
[22:27] <ScorpKing> nvm. got it
[22:27] <draik> If I create different users on my laptop, do they require a different password?
[22:27] <MilitantPotato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy
[22:27] <MilitantPotato> No, but it would be safer
[22:27] <draik> Right now, I just want to test them with the password Test and it's telling me that I have to change their passwords, root requested
[22:27] <TheWhiteRook> unless they're all user accounts for one person.
[22:28] <TheWhiteRook> do test1, test2, test3... etc
[22:28] <draik> root enforced, sorry
[22:28] <TheWhiteRook> or test[firstletterofusername]
[22:28] <jason> Hey guys...i just installed Kubuntu, and I'm at a lost on how to install packages I've downloaded.
[22:29] <draik> They are not all for one person, but I was just leaving them as test while I get things configured
[22:29] <nosrednaekim> draik: it may be because sometimes it requires you to change after a a certeain about of time
[22:29] <Odd-rationale> OK I found the menu editor, how do I hide certain apps?
[22:29] <nosrednaekim> jason: what form are the packages that your downloaded?
[22:29] <jason> I used the Adept Manager to install packages, but when I download uh, tar.gz stuff I'm not sure what to do with those
[22:29] <draik> nosrednaekim: I set it for zero. No password change and does not expire
[22:29] <nosrednaekim> draik: oh ok, never mind then
[22:29] <k4> hi just wanted to inform you that i just build kde with kdesvn-buildscript , AND have the kubuntu packages installed, and the kdesvnbuild version is much faster
[22:29] <TheWhiteRook> jason: if you can find a .deb package of the same thing, it'll be a lot easier to install
[22:29] <nosrednaekim> jason: like which app? it kinda depends
[22:30] <jason> oh, so i should look for debian packages?
[22:30] <MilitantPotato> !build | jason
[22:30] <jason> I'm trying to install Opera
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> k4: it would be.... it was compiled just for your computer
[22:30] <ubotu> jason: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[22:30] <TheWhiteRook> if you can find them, it's easier.
[22:30] <Odd-rationale> jason: Add the medibuntu reps
[22:30] <Hunkennalle> MititantPotato: the root on kubuntu is: (hd1,0) and on xp (hd0,0)
[22:30] <jason> what's medibuntu reps
[22:30] <MilitantPotato> jason: debian.org has debian packages for a lot of things.
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> !medibuntu
[22:30] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[22:30] <Odd-rationale> !medibuntu | jason
[22:30] <ubotu> jason: please see above
[22:31] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: you beat me
[22:31] <MilitantPotato> Hunkennalle: if you're 100% sure, change the menu.list to reflect that
[22:31] <k4> nosrednaekim: yeah, just an info for you guys, but its remarkable normally you dont feel the difference
[22:31] <jason> alright, uh , what's !xxx | jason mean?
[22:31] <Odd-rationale> jason: The medibuntu repo has opera.
[22:31] <draik> Thanks everyone
[22:31] <Hunkennalle> reflekt what?
[22:31] <Odd-rationale> jason: See message from ubotu
[22:31] <MilitantPotato> reflect that (hd1,0) is the linux drive
[22:32] <MilitantPotato> Jason, they're messages from the bot, directed too people
[22:32] <MilitantPotato> the !blah is a command to have the bot post info
[22:32] <jason> alright...also, if you guys don't mind, what exactly does the groupware wizard do and how can I use it?
[22:32] <Hunkennalle> that is what it says
[22:32] <jason> i imagine it updates everything and it'll help with my sound
[22:32] <MilitantPotato> Hunkennalle: that's what what says?
[22:32] <Hunkennalle> hd1,0
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> jason: no.. it has to do with MS exchange servers
[22:33] <MilitantPotato> Hunkennalle: where?
[22:33] <Hunkennalle> under kubuntu in menu.lst
[22:33] <jason> ohh...i see, alright, i won't touch it then
[22:33] <MilitantPotato> Hunkennalle: pastebin it for me
[22:33] <MilitantPotato> Hunkennalle: also pastebin your /etc/fstab
[22:34] <MilitantPotato> !pastebin
[22:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[22:34] <Hunkennalle> i didnt understand howto
[22:34] <Hunkennalle> tried
[22:34] <MilitantPotato> copy all the text, then paste it on that website
[22:34] <MilitantPotato> click submit
[22:34] <Hunkennalle> ive done that i think
[22:34] <MilitantPotato> give me the URL :)
[22:35] <Hunkennalle> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51837/
[22:35] <MilitantPotato> do the same with /etc/fstab
[22:36] <MilitantPotato> kate /etc/fstab would be the command in shell
[22:36] <jason> my laptop (Gateway ML3109) sound doesn't work, so i'm looking for drivers
[22:36] <jason> so i think i should learn how to install through command line, nonetheless?
[22:36] <Bauldrick> df -h says /dev/sda1             145G  137G     0 100% /   -- this morning i had 120 gb free??
[22:36] <nosrednaekim> jason: Opera?certainly not.
[22:36] <Bauldrick> how can i check whats filled it??
[22:37] <k4> jason: to see what hardware is in your laptop the first way : lspci , in the commandline
[22:37] <Hunkennalle> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51838/
[22:37] <k4> jason:  then you can take the appropriate steps
[22:38] <mani213> i installed kooldock how do i make it work
[22:38] <mani213> its not in the start menu
[22:38] <jason> ooh thanks...so i find the name, i'll google around for drivers
[22:38] <mani213> do i have to type somthing in konsole?
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> mani213: run "kooldock" from the command line
[22:39] <k4> jason: i think the drivers are already there, i know nearly no soundsystem that is not supported
[22:39] <k4> jason: but yes google for it
[22:40] <k4> jason: should look like this : 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0)
[22:40] <mani213> its not working:S
[22:40] <mani213> i saw it but it disapeared
[22:40] <MilitantPotato> Hunkennalle: the paths are fine, close those out without saving if you modified them.
[22:41] <Ben_Cs> hello
[22:41] <Ben_Cs> any one updated to kde 4?
[22:41] <nosrednaekim> Ben_Cs: here
[22:41] <Hunkennalle> if theyre fine then why does my system work so crappy?
[22:41] <Ben_Cs> nosrednaekim: how do i change width of panel?
[22:41] <nosrednaekim> Ben_Cs: you can't.
[22:42] <jason> well, I get no sound on my Gateway laptops with linux os's
[22:42] <jason> for this gateway, it's ATI Technologies Inc SB450 HDA Audio
[22:42] <jason> does ALSA or oss work with that?
[22:42] <BluesKaj> hey what's the fix for orphaned modules? I can't understand why there would be such a problem after a clean install .
[22:42] <nosrednaekim> jason: google it :)
[22:42] <mani213> i typed in kooldock it doesnt seem to be workinG:S
[22:42] <jason> k :-D
[22:42] <nosrednaekim> jason: google the model name and "linux"
[22:43] <MilitantPotato> Hunkennalle: something hardware maybe.
[22:43] <taylor> wow im having tourble with Kubuntu
[22:43] <nosrednaekim> taylor: how so
[22:43] <taylor> i cant get my display resoltuion to work
[22:43] <Hunkennalle> so i cant do anything about it?
[22:43] <Ben_Cs> ok thnx
[22:44] <taylor> all the names in the "start" menu are super long
[22:44] <taylor> it deleted my windows parition
[22:44] <taylor> even thought i told it to partition around it
[22:44] <MilitantPotato> Hunkennalle: I'm sure you can, but you'll need someone more knowledgeable then me.
[22:44] <MilitantPotato> Hunkennalle: try #ubuntu
[22:45] <nosrednaekim> taylor: wow!0.o
[22:45] <MilitantPotato> since it's happening at boot and not a KDE issue
[22:45] <taylor> im going to switch to mandrivia
[22:45] <Hunkennalle> just so you know i had to install kubuntu from the alternativ install because it wouldent work with the live cd
[22:46] <nosrednaekim> taylor: go ahead... whatever works best for you :)
[22:46] <mani213> it says kooldock is already running but i dont see anything
[22:46] <taylor> thats what i like about linux users :P
[22:46] <nosrednaekim> mani213: put you moude on the middle bottom of the screen
[22:47] <nosrednaekim> *mouse
[22:47] <trophyhead> any play the game sauerbraten in kubuntu?, is there a way to change the audio rate, it has a bad crackle sound & I fixed another game by changing this tho can't find the option on sauerbraten : (
[22:48] <nosrednaekim> trophyhead: I play it... but don't have any problems like that
[22:48] <mani213> put my moude???
[22:48] <mani213> what does that mean
[22:48] <nosrednaekim> mani213: mouse
[22:49] <mani213> guy
[22:49] <mani213> nothin happeens
[22:49] <nosrednaekim> mm
[22:49] <mani213> okay tell me step by step
[22:49] <mani213> basicly i tuped in konsole
[22:49] <mani213> and it didnt work
[22:49] <mani213> and it says its already running
[22:49] <mani213> so what now
[22:50] <nosrednaekim> well, I've never used it so I don't know
[22:50] <trophyhead> oh well still a kewl game thx nosred, : )
[22:50] <mani213> :S
[22:51] <mani213> so nothing else i can do
[22:53] <corinth> If I wanted to uninstall kde4, how would I go about it?
[22:53] <MilitantPotato> open adept and start removing ?
[22:55] <corinth> MilitantPotato: One by one?
[22:55] <corinth> MilitantPotato: Oh, and hey. I figured out how to re add the application launcher to the panel.
[22:55] <corinth> That was you I was talking to about it, right?
[22:55] <MilitantPotato> yea
[22:56] <MilitantPotato> how'd you manage that?
[22:56] <lod_> what's this message? "wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801"
[22:56] <lod_> what's wmaster0
[22:56] <corinth> You have to drag it from the add widgets box directly to the panel, not to the desktop of not clicking "add Widget"
[22:56] <corinth> You can add any of the widgets to the panel this way
[22:58]  * BluesKaj doesn't understand what widgets do 
[22:58] <corinth> Lol.
[22:58] <MilitantPotato> they're like applets, but floaty
[22:58]  * BluesKaj doesn't care about floaties :)
[22:59] <MilitantPotato> me either tbh
[22:59] <trophyhead> I use a music keyboard with a midi-to-usb plug, would the program "specimen" be what I'm looking for if I wanted to transfer sampled sounds to my keyboard to play? as if to play a higher note would raise the pitch so a single sound would be across all the keys? : )  confuseing isn't it haha!
[22:59] <lod_> what's wmaster0
[23:00] <lod_> what're the basic wi-fi commands in terminal
[23:00] <corinth> Why should/shouldn't I use JuK over Amarok?
[23:00] <BluesKaj> kde4 was a disaster for me ... not ready for primetime IMO :(
[23:02] <seezer> BluesKaj: same here.. stopped working after a clean shutdown anyway - like the selfbuilt trunk versions..
[23:02] <seezer> trying to log in just pops up kdm again
[23:02] <MilitantPotato> seezer: KDM-kde4 doesn't work.
[23:03] <MilitantPotato> seezer: gotta use the default KDM
[23:03] <seezer> MilitantPotato: i know. it's kdm3
[23:03] <MilitantPotato> nvm :)
[23:03] <fester225> How do I look at my network from Kubuntu?
[23:03] <BluesKaj> seezer:  it wrecked my kde3 vers , so i'm try hardy as we speak, but I'm not too impressed with it either :(
[23:03] <MilitantPotato> corinth: any idea how to create a second panel?
[23:03] <seezer> it worked for a few logins - and now does not. and i'm tired of reconfiguring through rm ~/.kde4..
[23:04] <BluesKaj> err trying
[23:04] <corinth> MilitantPotato: Let me look around, haven't tried it. I know there is a way, just don't know if it's ready yet.
[23:04] <seezer> BluesKaj: 'default application' konqui is now konqui4 inside the kde3 session too..
[23:04] <seezer> kinda ugly.
[23:04] <BluesKaj> yes, i found out too late :(
[23:04] <Shamshiel> Hi guys. :)
[23:05] <Shamshiel> I thought you might be interested in knowing my problem was apparently just that KNetworkManager didn't like this particular network anymore.
[23:05] <Shamshiel> I was able to connect through iwconfig this time.
[23:08] <Autoscum> Hey guys. The flash player in Mozilla Firefox keeps crashing. Any ideas before I uninstall it? :P
[23:08] <Autoscum> (Re-install)
[23:08] <Autoscum> !flash
[23:08] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[23:08] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[23:08] <Autoscum> Ah, I see...
[23:08] <Autoscum> =p
[23:09] <Autoscum> Well it did install correctly..
[23:10] <fester225> How do I look at my network from Kubuntu?
[23:10] <badapple> I need a hexadecimal readout of my usb device address
[23:10] <badapple> how would I get that
[23:10] <badapple> lsusb does not do so
[23:11] <biovore> badapple: probably in /proc/bus/usb/
[23:14] <flamesage> Hello all.
[23:14] <flamesage> With Kubuntu 8.04, they said they were going to try to "catch up" to Ubuntu, will this only be KDE3.x or KDE4.x there making / improving on?
[23:16] <Autoscum> !fix adept
[23:16] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[23:18] <kadam> How do I add a pager to the task bar in KDE4?
[23:19] <LjL> !kde4 > kadam    (kadam, see the private message from Ubotu)
[23:21] <RD579> I need help installing Kubuntu. Can someone discuss the package I need?
[23:21] <Tm_T> !install | RD579
[23:21] <ubotu> RD579: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[23:22] <RD579> In Synaptic Package Manager I see KDE Desktop, KDE Desktop Universe, and another that says multiverse. What is the difference?
[23:23] <LjL> !kde | RD579
[23:23] <ubotu> RD579: KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[23:24] <RD579> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[23:24] <RD579> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[23:24] <corinth> where is the default panel image for kubuntu kde3 located?
[23:24] <Autoscum> !opera
[23:24] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[23:25] <hydrogen> the factoid should probably mention its the best thing since before sliced bread
[23:25] <RD579> Sigh, if I could get Kde installed....
[23:26] <hydrogen> i would try to....
[23:26] <RD579> I did try to. I cant seem to get it installed.
[23:27] <corinth> Can someone please go tconfigure kde panel and under appearance tell me where the background image for the panel is located?
[23:27] <RD579> I am having silly problems, and no one seems to give me answers. Im missing something simple, and the web wiki isn't helping.
[23:27] <corinth> *go to
[23:27] <corinth> RD579: What's the problem?
[23:27] <RD579> If I attempt to do sudo apt-get kde-desktop I get E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[23:27] <RD579> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[23:28] <RD579> So the other option is using Synaptic but I see three different KDE desktop evn
[23:28] <corinth> RD579: What distro?
[23:28] <RD579> one plan, one multiverse, on universe.
[23:28] <RD579> I am not sure what package I need. I am running Ubuntu Gutsy 7.10
[23:28] <corinth> RD579: Try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[23:29] <corinth> That's always worked fine for me.
[23:29] <RD579> If I try that I get E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[23:29] <RD579> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[23:29] <biovore> !fixapt
[23:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixapt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:29] <corinth> Did you just try it again?
[23:29] <RD579> yes
[23:30] <RD579> And I recieved the error I just sent
[23:30] <biovore> probably got adept running in the background or something..
[23:30] <RD579> ive rebooted.
[23:30] <corinth> With the 'install' too? You didn't list it before in yoru command, and I'm not sure if its needed.
[23:30] <corinth> *your
[23:30] <RD579> I did have install
[23:30] <RD579> let me try and reboot again I dunno
[23:30] <corinth> Kk
[23:31] <corinth> Can someone please go tconfigure kde panel and under appearance tell me where the background image for the panel is located?
[23:32] <NoFox> http://digg.com/tech_news/Apple_to_Partner_with_News_Corp_Parent_of_Fox_News
[23:32] <suslayer> http://linux.xlibs.net/2008/01/12/howto-install-kde-4-stable-in-ubuntu-gutsy/ YES!!!
[23:32] <aram> can any one please suggest article for how to set up router or ip masquarding?
[23:33] <biovore> !aptlock
[23:33] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[23:33] <Datalanche> Is there a way I can make an expanding tree of my commonly used apps in the panel? The quicklauncher takes up a bit too much room, since my1024x768 CRT hasn't died yet. ;)
[23:33] <RD579> Ok I am back. I tried running it again and I get E: Couldn't find package kde-desktop
[23:33] <lod_> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ethX -j MASQUERADE
[23:34] <lod_> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[23:34] <biovore> aram: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
[23:34] <Datalanche> RD579: Maybe kubuntu-desktop is what you are looking for
[23:34] <lod_> then to make it perm
[23:34] <biovore> RD579:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[23:34] <lod_> iptables-save > /etc/iptables.iptables
[23:35] <aram> biovore: thanks
[23:35] <corporeal_> anyone else think that they should make the markdown filter extensible?
[23:35] <RD579> Datalanche that worked thanks.
[23:35] <corporeal_> markdown itself supports plugging in processors
[23:35] <Datalanche> Cool
[23:35] <corporeal_> but django doesnt support it
[23:37] <kadam> Can anyone think of a reason NOT to change certain desktop actions from CTRL-F10, etc to just plain F10?
[23:38] <biovore> kate and other application have hot-keys on F10
[23:39] <Autoscum> How can I re-install my Mozilla flash plugin?
[23:39] <kadam> biovore: Ahh, I was hoping they'd not really be used by other applications... Well, I'll see what happens... Is there a way to disable kwin hotkeys?
[23:39] <kadam> er, temporarily*
[23:39] <biovore> kadam: probably..
[23:39] <lod_> is there any chance kubuntu 8.04 to be with kde 4.0 by default?
[23:39] <biovore> Not sure..
[23:41] <corinth> lod_: From what I've heard, Kubuntu 8.04 will have the option to choose either.
[23:42] <Silouck> when creating an audio and adding mp3 i get a message saying that is an unsupported format, any help?
[23:42] <corinth> I think it will be 4 as default, with the option to install 3 alongside
[23:43] <corinth> Who is running Kubuntu gutsy right now?
[23:43] <biovore> most everyone
[23:44] <biovore> !restricted | Silouck
[23:44] <ubotu> Silouck: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[23:44] <corinth> Well, I'm looking for someone on kubuntu gutsy to help me with something very simple. It will only take about 15 seconds, lol.
[23:44] <biovore> what is it?
[23:45] <dios[RU]> corinth: I'm running gutsy, how may I help?
[23:45] <corinth> I just need to know where the default panel background is stored, the directory. I accidently changed it, and can't find the original now.
[23:45] <jackster> hey anyone have any idea why my scrollwheel doesn't work in Kubuntu 7.10
[23:45] <jackster> on my mouse that is
[23:45] <biovore> corinth: there under /usr/share/spps/kicker/wallpapers/
[23:45] <biovore> (spps -> apps)
[23:46] <corinth> biovore: Thanks!
[23:46] <Jatz> hey, looking for some help here.
[23:46] <Jatz> ofc.
[23:47] <Hunkennalle> im sick of kubuntu not working well... im gonna install gentoo instead
[23:47]  * Jatz gasps.
[23:47] <jackster> :o
[23:47] <NickPresta> Hunkennalle, what isn't working well?
[23:48] <Jatz> methinks you'll have an easier time with kubuntu then gentoo.
[23:48] <hola> kde4 do not acept my root password
[23:48] <LjL> !kde4 | hola
[23:49] <ubotu> hola: KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:49] <Hunkennalle> in booting it stops loading 9 times out of 10 and i cant shut the computer down without holding the powerbutton
[23:49] <NickPresta> Hunkennalle, using Gutsy?
[23:49] <Jatz> oh yippe I think I have a solution
[23:49] <Silouck> when creating an audio and adding mp3 i get a message saying that is an unsupported format, any help?
[23:49] <Hunkennalle> yes
[23:52] <Silouck> Hunkennalle: hu?
[23:52] <wesley> got other people problems that you costum set background doest load add start up in kde4
[23:52] <Hunkennalle> talked to nick
[23:53] <Silouck> how can i scan the requires of a package?
[23:54] <NickPresta> Silouck, `apt-cache showpkg PACKAGE`
[23:54] <NickPresta> Silouck, also, for just depends, `apt-cache depends PACKAGE`
[23:54] <LjL> most useful though is rdepends :)
[23:55] <Silouck> NickPresta: and when the package inst installed?
[23:56] <pfein> anyone here use dual monitors?
[23:56]  * pfein is thinking of going shopping...
[23:56] <xneil> Hunkennalle: if your having trouble with kubuntu, try debian
[23:57] <NickPresta> Silouck, you don't need to have the package installed to see the depends via (apt-cache depends).
[23:57] <NickPresta> !xinerama | pfein
[23:57] <ubotu> pfein: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[23:57] <NickPresta> pfein, I use a dual monitor setup
[23:58] <Silouck> NickPresta: thats what im asking, casue i did appt-cache depends package and saus cant locate package!!
[23:58] <NickPresta> Silouck, which package?
[23:58] <Silouck> that is irrelevant
[23:58] <NickPresta> Silouck, no it isn't. If the package doesn't exist, you won't find depends for it
[23:58] <Silouck> for example with rpm i need to add -p to packages that arent installed
[23:58] <Silouck> fuck
[23:59] <NickPresta> !ohmy | Silouck
[23:59] <ubotu> Silouck: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[23:59] <Silouck> the package its here in my hd
[23:59] <pfein> NickPresta: can you mix & match screen sizes/rotation?  also, what WM?
[23:59] <Silouck> NickPresta: you making loose my time