[00:01] <Ubulette> ? apparently not.
[00:16] <jel> Hi guys :)    If I'm uploading a .po translation, how do I mark the language it's a translation for?
[00:28] <Rashomon> Launchpad seems a nice place to start helping out with various things in the Open Source community, but how does one really get your hands dirty?
[00:29] <Fujitsu> Rashomon: What do you mean?
[00:30] <Rashomon> Fujitsu: well, see it as this. I'm in my 3rd year at uni. I really like programming and I want to help, particularily in Ruby oriented projects. I like the way launchpad is centered around bazaar and wel here I am
[00:31] <Rashomon> Where would one start? (See it as my first steps into the Open Source community if you wil)
[00:31] <Fujitsu> Well, you'll have to find a project that you're interested in, and work out how you can help that project. I'm not sure if you can easily search by programming language, though there is a field for it.
[00:32] <Fujitsu> How you help really depends on the project.
[00:33] <Rashomon> Fujitsu: Where is that search field?
[00:33] <Fujitsu> I'm not sure there is a search field, but there is a field when one is setting up a project.
[00:34] <jel> Rashomon: basically download the code for a project you think you can help with, make sure no one's going to do the same thing, and then start coding.  As soon as you're reasonably sure you can finish, let the developers know you're working on it.  Or, if you don't mind risk of embarrassment, contact them beforehand.  That way you'll be able to get tips etc.  When you're done, you can generate a diff from bzr, and send it to the main developers for 
[00:34] <jel> inclusion.
[00:36] <jel> Jeez.  We've all been working without stdin up to now? ;)
[00:38] <jel> so does anyone know how you set the language of a po file you're uploading?
[00:39] <Fujitsu> jel: Is it not specified in the .po file, or the directory structure of the tarball you upload? Translations is the one part of Launchpad that I haven't used thoroughly, sorry.
[00:41] <jel> Fujitsu: not in the po file as far as I can tell.  It's in the filenames of the po files you get if you download everything (project_fr_FR, for instance), but that's a fairly unusual layout... from what I can it's usually more like fr_FR/LC_LANG/project.po.
[00:42] <Fujitsu> jel: Is there any documentation on the import page?
[00:44] <jel> Fujitsu: nope.  I'm looking through the rosetta questions (ask stuff) now.
[00:48] <jel> Oh well.  That was only an example file translated using google anyway.  Rosetta has already given me proper translations :)
[00:56] <RAOF> Are there any known PPA issues?  I've tried to upload a new nouveau package yesterday & today and both have been silently eaten (I haven't got either a reject or acnowledge from LP)
[01:00] <Fujitsu> RAOF: Ubulette had a similar experience.
[01:01] <Fujitsu> I presume it's broken, and somebody will look at it eventually.
[01:07] <RAOF> Fujitsu: Thanks.
[01:07] <RAOF> Given weekend, I'll wait a couple of days before complaining again :)
[01:08]  * Fujitsu wonders if somebody forgot to turn something on after the downtime yesterday.
[01:18]  * lamont really wishes that bugs.launchpad.net/NNNNNN would go to bug NNNNNN
[02:18] <caravena> Hello!
[02:19] <caravena> in link https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deluge-torrent/+bug/182340 *not* link to duplicate bug. Problem of launchpad?
[02:20] <caravena> Obutu "Error: This bug is private"
[03:49] <somerville32> caravena, pardon?
[03:50] <caravena> somerville32: perdon? Not problem : -) report *private*
[03:50] <somerville32> caravena, So there is no problem?
[03:52] <caravena> Not problem : -) Thanks.
[03:53] <caravena> somerville32: 	There is no problem, thanks.
[03:53] <somerville32> caravena, wonderful
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #182464 in launchpad "Have to login "twice" to be recognized by Launchpad" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182464
[10:10] <dukebody> Hello! It would be possible to support hg repos in launchpad in a future?
[10:24] <dukebody> I think the answer is no :S
[10:25] <Hobbsee> ubotu: weekend
[10:25] <ubotu> It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[10:26] <dukebody> ;)
[12:38] <thefoxx> hello
[12:39] <thefoxx> is the PPA service broken? it does not accept any packages from me - but I don't get a reject mail or something like that. simply nothing. upload works but the package is nowhere
[12:42] <Hobbsee> what's your gpg key ID?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> and waht's your LP username, and what were you trying to upload?
[14:46] <RainCT> Hi
[14:46] <RainCT> Is something wrong with PPA's today?
[14:47]  * Hobbsee looks for some psychic cereal
[14:47] <Hobbsee> [23:39] <thefoxx> is the PPA service broken? it does not accept any packages from me - but I don't get a reject mail or something like that. simply nothing. upload works but the package is nowhere
[14:47] <RainCT> exactly the same hear
[14:47] <Hobbsee> that's the only info that anyone's brought in.
[14:47] <Hobbsee> he didn't respond to the requests for more info
[14:47] <RainCT> (and jpatrick can confirms it too)
[14:48] <RainCT> well.. there isn't really much more information
[14:48] <Hobbsee> does it show up on your LP PPA page?
[14:48] <RainCT> No
[14:49] <Hobbsee> was it signed?
[14:49] <Hobbsee> do you usually get mail for rejected packages from launchpad?
[14:49] <RainCT> and it's some hours ago since I uploaded it now.. :/
[14:50]  * Hobbsee assumes that something has fallen over somewhere, rather than user error then.
[14:50] <RainCT> yes it was signed
[14:51] <RainCT> and I do usually (always until now) get emails when something is wrong
[14:51] <Hobbsee> fair enough.  likely it's fallen over somewhere then
[14:51]  * Hobbsee suggests waiting until cprov and bigjools and co wake up
[14:53] <RainCT> do you think it will take the uploaded files when it works again or will a re-upload be required?
[14:54] <Hobbsee> depends where it failed, i expect
[14:54] <Hobbsee> but i would assume it'd need to reupload
[14:54] <Hobbsee> if it's not registering uploads
[14:55] <RainCT> well.. thanks :)
[14:55]  * Hobbsee does nto work on launchpad, sorry
[14:57] <Hobbsee> 8gb archive size for a ppa.  neat!
[14:58]  * RainCT wonders what Hobbsee is speaking about :P
[14:59]  * Hobbsee just saw the size for one of the ppa's
[14:59] <Hobbsee> it's only 8 gb.  
[15:00] <geser> Hobbsee:  many packages or or big packages?
[15:00] <Hobbsee> geser: both
[15:00]  * Hobbsee hasnt' got a whinging email either :)
[15:00]  * Hobbsee is hte owner of said team
[15:06] <pochu> Does Malone's email interface subscribe you to bug reports whenver you comment on one? Or you have to enter a ' subscribe pochu' command?
[15:07] <Hobbsee> pochu: i think all bugs autosubscribe
[15:07]  * Hobbsee has gotten requestsync mail like that before
[15:07] <pochu> Hobbsee: hmm, that's when you submit it. But on commenting?
[15:08] <Hobbsee> pochu: commenting doesn't automatically subscribe you to the bug, although iirc you get a mail about your comment being successful
[15:09] <pochu> Ok, thank you
[15:38] <_MMA_> Must one be the registrar to change the branding on a project?
[16:12] <RainCT> _MMA_: yes
[16:13] <RainCT> but you can transfer ownership to a team
[16:25] <_MMA_> We have a team set as the driver. I suspect that different?
[16:25] <_MMA_> *thats
[16:26] <RainCT> let me check
[16:27] <RainCT> yep, that's different
[16:27] <_MMA_> Ok.
[16:27] <RainCT> the maintainer can change the branding
[16:27] <RainCT> launchpad.net/<project>/+reassign
[16:28] <_MMA_> RainCT: But it can be reassigned to a team and not just a individual correct?
[16:28] <RainCT> right
[16:28] <_MMA_> Awesome. Thanx.
[16:31] <RainCT> yw :)
[20:17] <thumper> morning
[21:10] <rjek> Hello.  I'm trying to tell Launchpad about the CVS repository of a project.
[21:10] <rjek> And I get this: http://www.rjek.com/d/20080113/launchpad-unoptional.png
[21:12] <soren> Then fill it in?
[21:13] <rjek> a) I don't know what I should put in there, and b) it says it's optional.
[21:13] <rjek> Where it clearly isn't if it demands something to be put in there.
[21:13] <soren> Er... Yes, that's a good point.
[21:14] <soren> Put "MAIN"
[21:14] <soren> Hmm... Well, it is *sort* of optional. :)
[21:14] <soren> It says the CVS repository field is optional as well, but it hardly is, is it? :)
[21:15] <rjek> OK, it's accepted that, but I imagine it's not actually sanity checked the data yet until somebody comes along to do it :)
[21:15] <soren> It's optional in the sense that you could not fill it in (becuase you might be using svn for instance) and that would be valid.
[21:16] <soren> But I completely agree that this is a bug. It's very unclear.
[21:16] <thumper> rjek: the validation for the form would complain if it is really missing something
[21:16] <soren> thumper: ...and that's what it's doing.
[21:16] <rjek> thumper: What I mean is that it does it actually check the module etc I give it are valid?
[21:16] <thumper> but you are right, it should be more obvious
[21:17] <thumper> rjek: a person will before it is authorised for import
[21:17] <rjek> But yes - having a form with every entry box having "optional" written next to it is confusing when you must enter content into some of them
[21:17] <rjek> thumper: Yes, that's my point.
[21:17] <rjek> thumper: At the moment, I have no idea if the information I have entered is correct, given we guessed at "MAIN"
[21:17] <soren> rjek: That wasn't a guess :)
[21:17] <soren> rjek: I checked it :)
[21:18] <soren> rjek: Your project only have one tag that is valid in that context, and that's "MAIN".
[21:18] <soren> It's easy to see here: http://wxlua.cvs.sourceforge.net/wxlua/wxLua/
[21:19] <thumper> soren: where?
[21:19] <soren> thumper: In that "Sticky Tag" drop-down thingie.
[21:19] <rjek> soren: Right, OK.
[21:19] <soren> thumper: Near the top.
[21:20] <thumper> soren: ah, I see 
[21:20] <thumper> soren: thanks
[21:20] <soren> thumper: :)
[21:21] <thumper> rjek: what's hateful about it?
[21:21] <thumper> rjek: I really do care
[21:21] <thumper> rjek: as I am a launchpad dev
[21:21] <rjek> It's a hugely complex thing.
[21:21] <rjek> thumper: I'm married to an ex-launchpad dev. :)
[21:22] <thumper> rjek: really?
[21:22]  * rjek nods.
[21:22] <thumper> rjek: must have been someone before my time
[21:22] <soren> thumper: Oh? 
[21:23] <thumper> rjek: so what exactly is hateful?
[21:23] <soren> thumper: I though you joined quite a while ago? Surely more than a year or so?
[21:23] <thumper> soren: which bit?
[21:23] <thumper> soren: it was
[21:23] <rjek> Basically my experience of BTSes is: faff about creating an account -> try in vain to search the damned thing for a similar bug -> file a new bug -> then one of a) the bug gets entirely ignored indefinetly, b) marked as not-a-bug/invalid.  So normally I don't bother unless it's a security flaw or similar.
[21:23] <soren> thumper: Then I believe you worked with him. :)
[21:23] <rjek> Launchpad's a BTS, and then loads more simiarlly infuriating stuff besides.
[21:24] <thumper> I don't understand BTS
[21:24] <rjek> Bug Tracking System.
[21:24] <thumper> ah
[21:24] <soren> thumper: I think your failure to identify the launchpad developer in question stems from a wrong assumption about the sexes of the two parts of a marriage. :)
[21:25] <rjek> Bugzilla of course is infinately more deserving of my hatred.
[21:25]  * thumper is confused
[21:25] <Spads> http://trac.xiph.org/ticket/245 <-- bugzilla makes baby jesus cry
[21:25] <thumper> rjek: Launchpad is so much more than a BTS
[21:26] <rjek> thumper: Exactly my point: it's something I hate dealing with, and then more!
[21:26] <thumper> rjek: I work with the bzr integration bits, so if I can make your pain less, let me know
[21:27] <rjek> thumper: It's been a good two years since I've really visited Launchpad, so it's entirely possible things have got a lot better.
[21:27] <thumper> rjek: I sure hope it has
[21:27] <rjek> But in general I avoid enormous web apps, and especially BTSes, because they're always so bloody painful.
[21:28] <rjek> The URL Spads pasted pretty much describes my feelings on the matter.  (Third paragraph.)
[21:29] <rjek> I can't remember what I had to go through to get my launchpad account, but I suspect it was painful given my account name is launchpad-stop-whinging@rjek.com :)
[21:29] <rjek> It doesn't help that I'm a user-interface and simplicity bigot with a habit of being a bug magnet. :)
[21:31] <thumper> rjek: yeah
[21:49] <rjek> thumper: Now I've migrated to bzr, I'll try registering some of my projects with Launchpad, and I'll let you know how I get on.
[21:49] <thumper> rjek: excellent, thanks
[21:52] <rjek> thumper: OK, first problem: How do I register a bzr branch with Launchpad so I can use it as the trunk for a project?
[21:53] <thumper> rjek: any branch can be used as a trunk
[21:53] <thumper> rjek: you associate a branch with the product series to mark it "official"
[21:53]  * thumper is working on this workflow right now in fact
[21:54] <rjek> Well, it doesn't accept me just giving it a URL to the branch on that page I pasted a screenshot to earlier.
[21:54] <rjek> So where do I give it that URL?
[21:54] <thumper> which url?
[21:54] <rjek> To where my trunk is.
[21:55] <rjek> Also: does Launchpad's translation stuff still assume gettext?
[21:55] <thumper> rjek: what's your launchpad username?
[21:55] <rjek> rjek
[21:55] <rjek> or launchpad-stop-whinging@rjek.com
[21:55] <rjek> I'm not sure what the difference is between the two.
[21:59] <thumper> rjek: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad-stop-whinging/ shows you have no branches
[21:59] <rjek> I'm sure that's the case.  How do I add one?
[22:00] <thumper> the action on that page "Register a branch"
[22:00] <rjek> Ah right, I have to register a branch as a user before I can register it as a project?
[22:00] <rjek> That's entirely unclear given the process of logging in, creating a project, and trying to assoiciate source code control with it.
[22:00] <rjek> why is bazaar treated differently from CVS or Subversion in this instance?
[22:01] <thumper> no, you create the project first
[22:02] <rjek> Amazingly, the branch URL is marked as optional on the "register a branch page", which is surprising.
[22:02] <thumper> branch URL is for mirrored or remote branches
[22:02] <rjek> So, you create a project, then go to your user page, register a branch, and then tie it to a project from there?
[22:02] <thumper> for a hosted branch you don't need a branch URL
[22:02] <thumper> rjek: yes
[22:02] <rjek> It'd really help if the optional labels would appear or vanish depending on other options.
[22:03] <rjek> thumper: Right - that workflow seems insane to me. :)
[22:03] <thumper> rjek: yes, that would be good
[22:03] <thumper> rjek: when you register the branch, it gets tied to the project
[22:03] <rjek> in my mind, I'm adding a branch to a project, not me, so it doesn't seem obvious that I've got to register the branch from the page about me, rather than the page about the project.
[22:03] <thumper> you can also register a branch for a project
[22:04] <thumper> the thing is in the DVCS world a branch belongs to both a person, and a project
[22:05] <rjek> On https://launchpad.net/gniggle/trunk/+source for example, there's no short-cut to registering a new branch.
[22:05] <thumper> rjek: that is on my todo list
[22:12] <rjek> thumper: Right, I've registered a branch.  How do I assoicate my branch to be the trunk of the project?
[22:12] <rjek> ie: https://code.launchpad.net/~launchpad-stop-whinging/gniggle/gniggle
[22:13] <thumper> rjek: go to https://code.edge.launchpad.net/gniggle/trunk/+source
[22:14] <thumper> (or remove the edge. if you like)
[22:14] <thumper> and specify ~launchpad-stop-whinging/gniggle/gniggle for the bazaar branch
[22:16] <rjek> thumper: Right, I didn't think that was the right page given another link to that page (on the "trunk" link) that only appears when there is no source linked to it suggests that form's only for importing SVN and CVS.
[22:16] <thumper> rjek: again, this whole workflow is on my todo list
[22:16]  * rjek nods.
[22:16] <thumper> rjek: in a short time, it should be more clear
[22:16] <rjek> \o/
[22:17] <rjek> What is the "Code" tab on the project meant to have under it if it were not greyed out?
[22:18] <rjek> I assume Launchpad still only supports gettext, given it says there's nothing to translate in my project.
[22:19] <thumper> rjek: I don't know much about translations
[22:19] <thumper> sorry
[22:19] <thumper> rjek: which code tab?  the one for the trunk series?
[22:19] <mtaylor> is there a web services type API for launchpad yet? 
[22:20] <thumper> mtaylor: RSN
[22:21] <mtaylor> hehe
[22:21] <mtaylor> good
[22:21] <mtaylor> I'd like to make a mylyn plugin for launchpad 
[22:22] <rjek> One assumes this is not supposed to happen: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~launchpad-stop-whinging/gniggle/gniggle/annotate/svn-v3-list-QlpoOTFBWSZTWbogJocAAJdZgAAQAAKQAD%2B///AwAKwGSj0g8hNA0DQoABoAAAqUmqeTDJI9CMT0kSFrHev0prT3BlFCRcSGvyZneDu4aGIjNERPJGGGcjFWtKXd3qeCfr2q8t3D0uxVWt5VWkaKucssOhMSdSXaM5Gxqd5ttSlKfzdu0cE1YmklmXFJTmayLyeGq5M3QnX/Uq9uzBVqTiR9E3cnLdlalzs%2BC7kinChIXRATQ4A%3D%3A76dde655-96e2-0310-b303-f6364736dc44%3Arjek%252Fpublic%252Fgni
[22:22] <rjek> thumper: Yes, the one under trunk.
[22:23] <thumper> jrek: we know that the code tab is not accessible form the series page, I think it's a bug
[22:23] <thumper> jrek: re codebrowse, yes that shouldn't happen
[22:23] <rjek> See what I mean about me attracting bugs? :)
[22:27] <thumper> rjek: :)
[22:40]  * rjek gets angry at the dreadfulness of Inkscape, and ponders going to bother yet another IRC channel with his gripes.